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before the public 15 00:01:13,350 --> 00:01:17,120 and the victim's families finally knew the truth. 16 00:01:17,150 --> 00:01:19,070 Here's how it really happened. 17 00:01:19,100 --> 00:01:28,330 ♪♪ 18 00:01:28,366 --> 00:01:33,196 ♪♪ 19 00:01:33,233 --> 00:01:36,053 Man: They were crimes that horrified a community. 20 00:01:36,083 --> 00:01:39,203 Five students between the ages of 17 and 23 21 00:01:39,233 --> 00:01:42,083 stabbed to death in August 1990. 22 00:01:42,116 --> 00:01:46,266 Darnell: Sonja Larson, Christy Powell, 23 00:01:46,300 --> 00:01:50,320 Christa Hoyt, Manny Taboada, 24 00:01:50,350 --> 00:01:52,370 and Tracy Paules. 25 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:58,230 We were forced to recognize that horrible things can happen 26 00:01:58,266 --> 00:02:02,366 to vibrant and talented individuals 27 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:07,330 in a beautiful and pristine place such as Gainesville. 28 00:02:07,366 --> 00:02:10,076 Man: Gainesville police discovered the first two murder victims 29 00:02:10,116 --> 00:02:11,996 Sunday afternoon. 30 00:02:12,033 --> 00:02:14,373 Emery: Christy, she was moving into her apartment. 31 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,050 She got in her car, and off she went. 32 00:02:17,083 --> 00:02:21,053 And I literally can see her rounding the corner, 33 00:02:21,083 --> 00:02:23,223 just like that. 34 00:02:23,250 --> 00:02:27,370 Man: Sonja Larson was 18, the typical all-American girl. 35 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:32,050 I'll be in a store, and I will think, 36 00:02:32,083 --> 00:02:33,233 "Oh, Sonja will like that." 37 00:02:33,266 --> 00:02:37,116 And then it hits me. 38 00:02:37,150 --> 00:02:39,170 Sonja's not here. 39 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,070 Man: Yesterday, the third victim was found, 40 00:02:41,100 --> 00:02:43,230 reportedly decapitated. 41 00:02:43,266 --> 00:02:45,366 Hoyt: When Christa moved in with us, she started coming around 42 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,170 and giving each one a hug and kiss 43 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,280 before she went to sleep at night. 44 00:02:49,316 --> 00:02:54,066 And now you wish it could just keep going on and on. 45 00:02:54,100 --> 00:02:57,370 Man: Victims four and five, a young man and a woman, 46 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:59,100 were found at an off-campus 47 00:02:59,133 --> 00:03:03,103 student apartment complex Tuesday morning. 48 00:03:03,133 --> 00:03:05,073 Taboada: The great thing about my brother 49 00:03:05,100 --> 00:03:08,480 is that he lived life to the fullest, 50 00:03:09,016 --> 00:03:13,276 and I was just -- just so proud of him. 51 00:03:13,316 --> 00:03:16,446 And that will never change. 52 00:03:16,483 --> 00:03:21,423 Lahey: She was my sister, and I lost a big part of my heart. 53 00:03:21,450 --> 00:03:23,120 Shoot, I'm 54 years old, 54 00:03:23,150 --> 00:03:25,170 and I still can't get over her loss. 55 00:03:27,383 --> 00:03:31,403 Hewitt: These crime scenes were probably the most horrific crime scenes 56 00:03:31,433 --> 00:03:35,003 that I had ever seen. 57 00:03:35,033 --> 00:03:40,253 He would stalk, in some cases, these victims in advance. 58 00:03:40,283 --> 00:03:43,223 And then pounce when they were very vulnerable. 59 00:03:43,250 --> 00:03:46,300 This guy was committing murders in the middle of the night. 60 00:03:46,333 --> 00:03:49,233 You're most vulnerable when you're asleep. 61 00:03:49,266 --> 00:03:50,366 Woman: All had been stabbed. 62 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,200 Several were mutilated. 63 00:03:52,233 --> 00:03:54,303 He was not just there to kill. 64 00:03:54,333 --> 00:03:56,453 He was showcasing a room, 65 00:03:56,483 --> 00:03:59,183 and that was terribly disturbing. 66 00:03:59,216 --> 00:04:03,316 After he dismembered people, he stayed and -- 67 00:04:03,350 --> 00:04:07,370 and just posed people. 68 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,100 It was bone-chilling. 69 00:04:09,133 --> 00:04:12,233 Woman: Police warned the killer may still be stalking. 70 00:04:12,266 --> 00:04:16,246 It was horrific, and it was heart-wrenching. 71 00:04:16,283 --> 00:04:18,073 He was still out there. 72 00:04:18,100 --> 00:04:22,470 ♪♪ 73 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:24,250 [ Telephone rings ] 74 00:04:24,283 --> 00:04:30,073 There was new, hot leads every day to follow up on. 75 00:04:30,100 --> 00:04:33,030 There was a bank of investigators 76 00:04:33,066 --> 00:04:35,416 working the phones day in and day out. 77 00:04:35,450 --> 00:04:37,270 Etheridge: At the time, there were questions. 78 00:04:37,300 --> 00:04:38,430 Why is this taking so long? 79 00:04:38,466 --> 00:04:40,046 This guy is out there. 80 00:04:40,083 --> 00:04:41,383 Where is he? 81 00:04:41,416 --> 00:04:44,066 Woman: Investigators say they have volumes of evidence 82 00:04:44,100 --> 00:04:45,450 and a pool of suspects. 83 00:04:45,483 --> 00:04:49,203 We're looking at eight possible suspects 84 00:04:49,233 --> 00:04:51,273 in our series of homicides. 85 00:04:51,300 --> 00:04:54,230 Woman: From that category, 18-year-old Edward Lewis Humphrey 86 00:04:54,266 --> 00:04:56,476 is the only one authorities would name. 87 00:04:57,016 --> 00:04:59,146 The University of Florida student is in custody 88 00:04:59,183 --> 00:05:03,253 on separate charges of beating his grandmother. 89 00:05:03,283 --> 00:05:05,473 Stacy: He -- he looked like a serial killer. 90 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:11,130 He had scars on his face, and he was acting erratically. 91 00:05:11,166 --> 00:05:14,166 He was talking about murder. 92 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:15,430 Man: Police say they've been told, 93 00:05:15,466 --> 00:05:18,016 Humphrey liked to put on military clothes, 94 00:05:18,050 --> 00:05:19,130 strap on a knife, 95 00:05:19,166 --> 00:05:21,296 and go on nighttime reconnaissance missions 96 00:05:21,333 --> 00:05:23,273 in the same area searchers sloshed through 97 00:05:23,300 --> 00:05:25,370 looking for possible evidence. 98 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:27,470 They were just searching and searching and searching. 99 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:29,280 They were looking for anything. 100 00:05:29,316 --> 00:05:31,226 Needle in a haystack. 101 00:05:34,033 --> 00:05:35,483 Hicks: The police were really at loose ends, 102 00:05:36,016 --> 00:05:39,026 and then it wasn't until Danny Rolling made 103 00:05:39,066 --> 00:05:42,316 a foolish mistake that he even came 104 00:05:42,350 --> 00:05:46,150 to the attention of law enforcement. 105 00:05:46,183 --> 00:05:49,323 Woman: Danny Rolling, 36-year-old unemployed laborer, 106 00:05:49,350 --> 00:05:51,250 was arrested for holding a gun 107 00:05:51,283 --> 00:05:54,333 to the head of an employee of this Ocala grocery store 108 00:05:54,366 --> 00:05:57,396 and then leading them on a wild chase through town. 109 00:05:57,433 --> 00:06:03,183 I was asked by the assistant chief public defender in Ocala 110 00:06:03,216 --> 00:06:05,326 to evaluate his competency 111 00:06:05,366 --> 00:06:08,076 and mental state at the time of the charge. 112 00:06:19,066 --> 00:06:20,176 We start talking. 113 00:06:20,216 --> 00:06:21,416 He said, "I just want to know 114 00:06:21,450 --> 00:06:24,350 whether everything I tell you is confidential." 115 00:06:31,383 --> 00:06:38,023 He then went on and told me about the five homicides. 116 00:06:38,050 --> 00:06:40,000 Man: Five gruesome stabbings took place 117 00:06:40,033 --> 00:06:42,453 over a three-day period in late August. 118 00:06:42,483 --> 00:06:46,023 Krop: He went into detail where he killed, 119 00:06:46,050 --> 00:06:49,450 mutilated, posed, and decapitated, 120 00:06:49,483 --> 00:06:55,283 and other very sadistic kind of acts. 121 00:06:55,316 --> 00:06:57,396 One of the things that Danny told me 122 00:06:57,433 --> 00:07:01,283 was that after he killed on the second day, 123 00:07:01,316 --> 00:07:04,996 the next morning, he woke up, and he couldn't find his wallet, 124 00:07:05,033 --> 00:07:07,203 and he presumed that he left it at the scene. 125 00:07:07,233 --> 00:07:10,153 So he had gone back to the scene. 126 00:07:10,183 --> 00:07:12,323 Of course, no one had been there yet. 127 00:07:12,350 --> 00:07:16,450 When he went back, that is when he decapitated. 128 00:07:16,483 --> 00:07:19,153 He didn't do that initially at the crime scene. 129 00:07:19,183 --> 00:07:21,083 Woman: Christa Hoyt has been decapitated, 130 00:07:21,116 --> 00:07:24,116 her head placed on a bookcase. 131 00:07:24,150 --> 00:07:27,280 I almost think he wanted to know if he had shocked me, 132 00:07:27,316 --> 00:07:29,346 and I said, "No, I hear it all the time," 133 00:07:29,383 --> 00:07:33,033 which of course, I don't hear it to that degree. 134 00:07:33,066 --> 00:07:35,126 Christian: Now, Dr. Krop knew that Danny Rolling 135 00:07:35,166 --> 00:07:37,366 had confessed to these killings. 136 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:42,100 Danny rolling put Dr. Krop in a very precarious position 137 00:07:42,133 --> 00:07:46,183 because the tenets of mental therapy, 138 00:07:46,216 --> 00:07:49,016 you cannot tell anyone. 139 00:07:49,050 --> 00:07:52,100 Krop: Once he made his confessions to me, 140 00:07:52,133 --> 00:07:55,473 he seemed emotionally relieved, and I was emotionally drained. 141 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:57,470 And then I started realizing 142 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,470 this was a confidential evaluation. 143 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:03,450 I couldn't tell anybody. 144 00:08:03,483 --> 00:08:06,183 Danny hadn't been charged with murder. 145 00:08:06,216 --> 00:08:08,196 It might cause a mistrial down the road 146 00:08:08,233 --> 00:08:11,383 if he's ever brought to trial. 147 00:08:11,416 --> 00:08:13,366 Christian: On the other hand, he knew at that point 148 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,300 that Danny Rolling was not going to be killing 149 00:08:15,333 --> 00:08:18,273 anymore university students because he was locked up. 150 00:08:18,300 --> 00:08:22,130 So, in the end, Dr. Krop didn't say anything. 151 00:08:22,166 --> 00:08:26,026 He waited for the system to work the way that it's supposed to. 152 00:08:26,066 --> 00:08:27,266 The truth will come out. 153 00:08:29,366 --> 00:08:34,346 We knew we had evidence of the suspect 154 00:08:34,383 --> 00:08:36,133 from all three crime scenes. 155 00:08:36,166 --> 00:08:38,426 Man: Matching DNA would link a suspect to the murders. 156 00:08:38,466 --> 00:08:40,046 And things just started clicking. 157 00:08:46,016 --> 00:08:47,396 [ Cheering ] 158 00:08:47,433 --> 00:08:51,153 Let's go, Gators, let's go! 159 00:08:51,183 --> 00:08:52,283 Let's go, Gators, let's go! 160 00:08:52,316 --> 00:08:54,246 Let's go, Gators, let's go! 161 00:08:54,283 --> 00:08:57,173 Woman: Homecoming festivities at the University of Florida 162 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:58,350 are in high gear. 163 00:08:58,383 --> 00:09:01,283 And while there's no apparent lack of enthusiasm, 164 00:09:01,316 --> 00:09:04,296 memories of the tragic events of recent weeks 165 00:09:04,333 --> 00:09:07,023 are never far from students' minds. 166 00:09:07,050 --> 00:09:12,250 The fall semester, it's the semester of dreams. 167 00:09:12,283 --> 00:09:15,223 There's always that optimism in the fall, 168 00:09:15,250 --> 00:09:17,450 and that got taken away from us. 169 00:09:17,483 --> 00:09:19,133 My heart just goes out to families 170 00:09:19,166 --> 00:09:20,466 and friends of the victims. 171 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,320 Hopefully, someone will catch this guy, 172 00:09:24,350 --> 00:09:27,170 and there'll be a lot of happy people if that happens. 173 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,180 Man: Some of the best criminal investigation minds 174 00:09:29,216 --> 00:09:31,316 in the nation have been working on the case, 175 00:09:31,350 --> 00:09:34,170 but still, no one has been arrested. 176 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,220 Hicks: The murders had stopped. 177 00:09:36,250 --> 00:09:39,480 I called my police sources in South Florida, 178 00:09:40,016 --> 00:09:42,196 and I said, "What do you know? What do you hear?" 179 00:09:42,233 --> 00:09:44,353 And at the time, the police had decided 180 00:09:44,383 --> 00:09:48,083 either the person who was involved in it had died 181 00:09:48,116 --> 00:09:51,116 or had been arrested on some unrelated crime. 182 00:09:51,150 --> 00:09:55,130 Well, let's see who's already in jail. 183 00:09:55,166 --> 00:10:00,066 Hewitt: We filled out ViCAP, violent crime apprehension program, 184 00:10:00,100 --> 00:10:03,100 and it's run by the Federal Bureau of investigation. 185 00:10:03,133 --> 00:10:07,073 It is a very in-depth document 186 00:10:07,100 --> 00:10:10,480 that you fill out on every scene. 187 00:10:11,016 --> 00:10:14,146 They feed the information into their computer base, 188 00:10:14,183 --> 00:10:18,053 and any crimes that have any similarities to it, 189 00:10:18,083 --> 00:10:19,453 it kicks 'em out, 190 00:10:19,483 --> 00:10:23,223 one of them being murders in the Shreveport area. 191 00:10:23,250 --> 00:10:26,020 Woman: The Gainesville murders contained striking similarities 192 00:10:26,050 --> 00:10:29,270 to a 1989 murder in Shreveport, Louisiana. 193 00:10:29,300 --> 00:10:32,480 24-year-old Julie Grissom, Brunette college student, 194 00:10:33,016 --> 00:10:36,176 had been raped, stabbed, posed on a bed, 195 00:10:36,216 --> 00:10:39,226 and the bedroom meticulously cleaned up afterwards. 196 00:10:39,266 --> 00:10:42,196 Hewitt: Her body was staged on the side of her bed 197 00:10:42,233 --> 00:10:44,323 similar to some of our victims. 198 00:10:44,350 --> 00:10:46,250 Woman: Police there say her father and nephew 199 00:10:46,283 --> 00:10:48,123 must have come in on the killer. 200 00:10:48,150 --> 00:10:50,300 They, too, were fatally stabbed. 201 00:10:50,333 --> 00:10:52,253 Several police sources have told us 202 00:10:52,283 --> 00:10:56,123 they have suspected a connection between the two cases. 203 00:10:56,150 --> 00:11:01,020 Hewitt: The task force sent an FDLE agent to Shreveport 204 00:11:01,050 --> 00:11:03,200 to talk with the investigators. 205 00:11:03,233 --> 00:11:06,433 Danny's name came up because of the Grissom 206 00:11:06,466 --> 00:11:09,066 killings in Shreveport. 207 00:11:09,100 --> 00:11:13,000 There was warrants for him out of Shreveport 208 00:11:13,033 --> 00:11:18,473 for shooting his father before he left in the spring of '90. 209 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,030 The investigators in Shreveport said, 210 00:11:21,066 --> 00:11:24,296 "Hey, you might want to go down and check him out." 211 00:11:24,333 --> 00:11:27,323 Woman: Was he linked to the five killings here? 212 00:11:27,350 --> 00:11:30,300 He was basically a career criminal. 213 00:11:30,333 --> 00:11:32,333 Hewitt: He had done numerous robberies 214 00:11:32,366 --> 00:11:36,026 and been convicted and served time. 215 00:11:36,066 --> 00:11:38,016 The man's been to prison for armed robbery 216 00:11:38,050 --> 00:11:39,330 in three different states. 217 00:11:39,366 --> 00:11:42,066 He came to the wrong state when he came to Florida 218 00:11:42,100 --> 00:11:45,070 and committed an armed robbery. 219 00:11:45,100 --> 00:11:48,000 Hewitt: In the midst of working the student murders, 220 00:11:48,033 --> 00:11:54,273 we had a bank robbery that turned out to be very important. 221 00:11:54,300 --> 00:12:01,350 ♪♪ 222 00:12:01,383 --> 00:12:05,333 ♪♪ 223 00:12:05,366 --> 00:12:07,176 Stacy: The First Union robbery, 224 00:12:07,216 --> 00:12:11,476 it got kind of lost in all the other news. 225 00:12:12,016 --> 00:12:13,166 Mann: It was crazy. 226 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:18,030 It was in the middle of the day, near a busy intersection. 227 00:12:18,066 --> 00:12:20,276 The bank robbery takes place. 228 00:12:20,316 --> 00:12:23,166 Hewitt: I don't think anybody, until much later, 229 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,280 put it together that they were connected. 230 00:12:26,316 --> 00:12:29,266 We got there, and somebody said that the suspect 231 00:12:29,300 --> 00:12:35,330 had ran across the parking lot and turned into a wooded area 232 00:12:35,366 --> 00:12:39,016 that leads into the University of Florida. 233 00:12:39,050 --> 00:12:40,230 They brought in the K-9s, 234 00:12:40,266 --> 00:12:45,466 and the K-9s tracked him through a wooded area to a campsite. 235 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:49,370 At the campsite, we found dye-stained money, 236 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:54,180 a bag, a screwdriver, audiotape player, 237 00:12:54,216 --> 00:12:59,996 a knit ski cap, and a pair of sports gloves. 238 00:13:00,033 --> 00:13:04,353 And they packed all the stuff up and moved it to evidence. 239 00:13:04,383 --> 00:13:07,073 Mann: At that time, it just didn't make sense 240 00:13:07,100 --> 00:13:10,300 that it had any connection with the Gainesville student murders. 241 00:13:13,066 --> 00:13:17,116 Three months later, we said, "Maybe we should go back 242 00:13:17,150 --> 00:13:20,220 and look at our evidence that we collected from the campsite 243 00:13:20,250 --> 00:13:23,150 that was associated with the bank robbery." 244 00:13:23,183 --> 00:13:27,173 And when we did, we found the tape recorder and noticed 245 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:30,030 that there was a tape inside it. 246 00:13:30,066 --> 00:13:33,276 And on that tape was talking. 247 00:13:41,450 --> 00:13:43,050 And singing. 248 00:13:43,083 --> 00:13:48,073 The moon is shining. 249 00:13:48,100 --> 00:13:52,170 The rain keeps pouring down. 250 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,080 And he identifies himself. 251 00:13:56,383 --> 00:13:58,023 As Danny Rolling. 252 00:14:04,133 --> 00:14:08,003 Mann: Now you have a possible suspect giving their full name 253 00:14:08,033 --> 00:14:12,333 in Gainesville during this particular case. 254 00:14:12,366 --> 00:14:18,166 This is a very possible suspect and probably the suspect. 255 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:23,100 We knew we had evidence of the suspect 256 00:14:23,133 --> 00:14:27,203 from all three crime scenes in Gainesville, Florida. 257 00:14:27,233 --> 00:14:36,103 Our forensic lab people were able to create a DNA profile. 258 00:14:36,133 --> 00:14:39,453 Back then, to run DNA took several weeks as opposed to now 259 00:14:39,483 --> 00:14:43,203 where you can get something in one or two days. 260 00:14:43,233 --> 00:14:45,423 Reporter: Sources have told Channel 4 News that the lab is doing 261 00:14:45,450 --> 00:14:48,100 DNA testing on either blood, hair, 262 00:14:48,133 --> 00:14:51,273 or semen sample found at a crime scene. 263 00:14:51,300 --> 00:14:56,250 I got a call one day from a guy I worked with at FDLE. 264 00:14:56,283 --> 00:14:59,033 He goes, "Hey, you arrested this guy named Danny Rolling. 265 00:14:59,066 --> 00:15:02,196 I need to come down and pull some blood from him." 266 00:15:02,233 --> 00:15:05,483 Mann: They took him to the infirmary and had his blood drawn. 267 00:15:06,016 --> 00:15:08,326 That blood was sent to the lab. 268 00:15:08,366 --> 00:15:11,276 Graham: Dennis calls me, and he goes, "you're not gonna believe this. 269 00:15:11,316 --> 00:15:13,446 We think this is the guy." 270 00:15:13,483 --> 00:15:17,123 And all of a sudden, things immediately 271 00:15:17,150 --> 00:15:19,070 just start coming together. 272 00:15:19,100 --> 00:15:21,000 Man: Today, a published report says police 273 00:15:21,033 --> 00:15:22,383 are waiting for a DNA blood test 274 00:15:22,416 --> 00:15:25,066 to confirm that their suspicions are correct, 275 00:15:25,100 --> 00:15:29,220 that they may know who the killer is. 276 00:15:29,250 --> 00:15:31,400 They had discovered his camp in the woods 277 00:15:31,433 --> 00:15:34,083 and the songs that he had -- the tapes he had made. 278 00:15:44,333 --> 00:15:51,123 ♪♪ 279 00:15:51,150 --> 00:15:55,050 Man: Mario Taboada spends a lot of time at the cemetery. 280 00:15:55,083 --> 00:15:56,373 His brother, Manny, was stabbed to death 281 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:58,000 in Gainesville, Florida. 282 00:15:58,033 --> 00:16:01,253 ♪♪ 283 00:16:01,283 --> 00:16:05,423 Taboada: My brother was murdered at the end of August, 1990. 284 00:16:05,450 --> 00:16:10,250 Months later, our case was still in the limelight 285 00:16:10,283 --> 00:16:11,373 and in the news. 286 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:13,280 Man: For many, it's difficult to understand 287 00:16:13,316 --> 00:16:16,066 or accept why no one's been arrested. 288 00:16:16,100 --> 00:16:18,330 The wheels of justice move slow, and okay, 289 00:16:18,366 --> 00:16:25,176 that's fine to say unless your child was murdered, 290 00:16:25,216 --> 00:16:28,146 and it takes this long to catch the guy. 291 00:16:28,183 --> 00:16:31,253 It turns out, he was actually in custody. 292 00:16:31,283 --> 00:16:33,253 Man: Investigators confirm that this man, 293 00:16:33,283 --> 00:16:35,073 36-year-old Danny Rolling 294 00:16:35,100 --> 00:16:37,250 of Shreveport, Louisiana, is a suspect. 295 00:16:39,366 --> 00:16:43,046 He's currently jailed on an unrelated armed robbery charge. 296 00:16:43,083 --> 00:16:44,433 Reporter: Danny, they say you murdered five people. 297 00:16:44,466 --> 00:16:47,216 What do you have to say? 298 00:16:47,250 --> 00:16:49,400 Hicks: They had discovered his camp in the woods, 299 00:16:49,433 --> 00:16:52,073 and the songs that he had -- the tapes he had made. 300 00:16:58,216 --> 00:17:03,226 You knew without a doubt that he was involved. 301 00:17:06,433 --> 00:17:10,203 We continued putting the evidence together. 302 00:17:10,233 --> 00:17:12,373 Woman: In each envelope, small pieces of more 303 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,130 than 2,000 articles of evidence. 304 00:17:17,150 --> 00:17:21,150 Hewitt: There was a screwdriver found at the campsite. 305 00:17:21,183 --> 00:17:23,073 The screwdriver was so important 306 00:17:23,100 --> 00:17:25,080 because at all three crime scenes, 307 00:17:25,116 --> 00:17:28,116 there was tool marks at the entry point 308 00:17:28,150 --> 00:17:32,200 that could be matched up to the specific tool 309 00:17:32,233 --> 00:17:35,023 that was used to break in. 310 00:17:35,050 --> 00:17:37,430 Like a fingerprint, they matched 'em. 311 00:17:37,466 --> 00:17:40,446 We knew the screwdriver had come from Wal-Mart, 312 00:17:40,483 --> 00:17:46,353 so we went back and started checking the surveillance tapes 313 00:17:46,383 --> 00:17:49,203 and cash register receipts. 314 00:17:49,233 --> 00:17:52,273 Rolling was in Wal-Mart purchasing a tent. 315 00:17:52,300 --> 00:17:55,330 And the time that the tent was being purchased 316 00:17:55,366 --> 00:17:59,026 in the sporting goods section, 317 00:17:59,066 --> 00:18:01,326 our first two victims, Sonja and Christina, 318 00:18:01,366 --> 00:18:07,126 was checking out at the front register in the same Wal-Mart. 319 00:18:07,166 --> 00:18:10,066 Forensic evidence from him comes back 320 00:18:10,100 --> 00:18:13,250 on all three different scenes. 321 00:18:13,283 --> 00:18:15,423 Christian: He left semen behind. 322 00:18:15,450 --> 00:18:19,000 That was his big slip-up. 323 00:18:19,033 --> 00:18:20,383 Man: You had him dead to rights. 324 00:18:22,416 --> 00:18:24,016 And then the question became, 325 00:18:24,050 --> 00:18:27,070 was there anybody else involved with him or not? 326 00:18:27,100 --> 00:18:29,200 Stacy: I think it was pretty evident that Danny Rolling 327 00:18:29,233 --> 00:18:31,373 was gonna be indicted for the murders, 328 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:36,370 but the big question mark was Ed Humphrey, 329 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,030 whether he had anything to do with it. 330 00:18:39,066 --> 00:18:40,226 Woman: Former University of Florida 331 00:18:40,266 --> 00:18:42,226 student Edward Humphrey of Melbourne 332 00:18:42,266 --> 00:18:45,046 was named early on as a possible suspect. 333 00:18:45,083 --> 00:18:47,333 Humphrey has not been indicted or charged, 334 00:18:47,366 --> 00:18:50,296 but prosecutors have not cleared his name. 335 00:18:50,333 --> 00:18:52,133 We only have one shot at doing this. 336 00:18:52,166 --> 00:18:54,296 You can't be tried twice for the same crime. 337 00:18:54,333 --> 00:18:57,153 So once the process starts, we've gotta do it right 338 00:18:57,183 --> 00:18:58,383 and do it right the first time. 339 00:18:58,416 --> 00:19:02,396 ♪♪ 340 00:19:02,433 --> 00:19:05,183 A Florida grand jury has just indicted 341 00:19:05,216 --> 00:19:07,266 Danny Harold Rolling for the murder 342 00:19:07,300 --> 00:19:08,370 of five college students 343 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,280 in Gainesville, Florida. 344 00:19:10,316 --> 00:19:11,996 Stabbing her with a knife -- 345 00:19:12,033 --> 00:19:14,203 Woman: A clerk reads the grand jury's decision. 346 00:19:14,233 --> 00:19:18,353 Danny Rolling is now charged with all five student murders. 347 00:19:18,383 --> 00:19:22,003 I remember the headline, it said, "Rolling indicted." 348 00:19:22,033 --> 00:19:23,273 Woman: The grand jury also decided 349 00:19:23,300 --> 00:19:26,270 there wasn't enough evidence to indict Ed Humphrey. 350 00:19:26,300 --> 00:19:28,130 "Humphrey not." 351 00:19:28,166 --> 00:19:31,296 The indictment said, for sure, 352 00:19:31,333 --> 00:19:36,023 that Ed Humphrey didn't have anything to do with it. 353 00:19:36,050 --> 00:19:38,250 Woman: Lab tests on evidence at the crime scenes 354 00:19:38,283 --> 00:19:41,223 did not match up to Humphrey. 355 00:19:41,250 --> 00:19:43,170 Christian: Humphrey was released, 356 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,250 and there's absolutely no indication 357 00:19:45,283 --> 00:19:47,483 that he had anything to do with these killings. 358 00:19:48,016 --> 00:19:49,996 We agreed with the grand jury's assessment that, 359 00:19:50,033 --> 00:19:52,023 as of today, there was insufficient evidence 360 00:19:52,050 --> 00:19:53,400 to return an indictment against anyone 361 00:19:53,433 --> 00:19:56,083 other than Danny Harold Rolling. 362 00:19:56,116 --> 00:19:58,416 Woman: Rolling said nothing as he was officially charged 363 00:19:58,450 --> 00:20:01,070 with five counts of first-degree murder. 364 00:20:01,100 --> 00:20:04,020 His attorney entered a plea of not guilty to the charges, 365 00:20:04,050 --> 00:20:08,100 but later said an insanity defense may be more appropriate. 366 00:20:08,133 --> 00:20:14,123 Every time I saw him, he had sort of this bemused face. 367 00:20:14,150 --> 00:20:18,030 I'm not sure what I'm doing here. 368 00:20:18,066 --> 00:20:19,366 God bless the people of Florida. 369 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,180 Lord help me. 370 00:20:21,216 --> 00:20:26,226 He's just a real piece of work. 371 00:20:28,233 --> 00:20:32,073 I received word that Danny Rolling wanted to talk to me. 372 00:20:32,100 --> 00:20:35,080 Danny wanted to confess. 373 00:20:35,116 --> 00:20:38,076 There was pin drop silence, and then gasps. 374 00:20:45,066 --> 00:20:46,446 Woman: I figured there was something you wanted to say. 375 00:20:46,483 --> 00:20:49,073 Yes, ma'am. 376 00:20:49,100 --> 00:20:51,200 Any and all parties involved in the investigation 377 00:20:51,233 --> 00:20:54,173 under way concerning the Gainesville murders have been 378 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:58,000 and will be dealt with in an honorable fashion. 379 00:20:58,033 --> 00:21:04,273 The wheels of justice may turn slow, but they do turn. 380 00:21:04,300 --> 00:21:05,470 Welcome back. 381 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,020 15 months after the brutal killings 382 00:21:08,050 --> 00:21:10,020 of five college students, 383 00:21:10,050 --> 00:21:13,370 Danny Rolling was indicted for the Gainesville murders. 384 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,200 Investigators vowed that the suspected serial killer 385 00:21:16,233 --> 00:21:19,203 would pay for the innocent lives he took, 386 00:21:19,233 --> 00:21:21,453 but justice would not come easy. 387 00:21:24,333 --> 00:21:27,333 Man: They were crimes that horrified the community. 388 00:21:27,366 --> 00:21:34,146 These kids were butchered in a senseless act. 389 00:21:34,183 --> 00:21:36,353 Man: 15 months of an exhaustive investigation 390 00:21:36,383 --> 00:21:38,253 led to Danny Harold Rolling, 391 00:21:38,283 --> 00:21:41,223 a drifter from Shreveport, Louisiana. 392 00:21:41,250 --> 00:21:45,020 He didn't have any emotion, no matter what was said. 393 00:21:45,050 --> 00:21:48,000 He came almost close to looking clueless. 394 00:21:48,033 --> 00:21:53,253 Hewitt: He was a very strong, athletic individual. 395 00:21:53,283 --> 00:21:57,433 But he wanted that perception of being a weak person. 396 00:21:57,466 --> 00:21:59,396 Woman: Danny Rolling's public defenders believe 397 00:21:59,433 --> 00:22:02,153 he hasn't been competent in quite some time. 398 00:22:02,183 --> 00:22:03,483 Rolling says he hears voices 399 00:22:04,016 --> 00:22:07,226 and see demons, symptoms of psychosis. 400 00:22:07,266 --> 00:22:14,346 ♪ My words, all my tears run together, baby. ♪ 401 00:22:14,383 --> 00:22:19,053 Danny was not unintelligent, and he was not crazy. 402 00:22:19,083 --> 00:22:22,383 He -- in the sense of insane. 403 00:22:22,416 --> 00:22:25,126 He was anything but that. 404 00:22:25,166 --> 00:22:28,996 He wanted to be a superstar among criminals. 405 00:22:29,033 --> 00:22:34,103 Being famous for, you know, committing horrible crimes. 406 00:22:34,133 --> 00:22:36,173 Tried to blame the demons for turning him 407 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,300 into the kind of person he was. 408 00:22:38,333 --> 00:22:42,053 Smith: He had ynnad, which is one of his spirits 409 00:22:42,083 --> 00:22:45,133 that came to him, evil spirits, 410 00:22:45,166 --> 00:22:47,126 which is Danny spelled backwards. 411 00:22:49,266 --> 00:22:53,196 I'll never forget Rod Smith saying early on, 412 00:22:53,233 --> 00:22:55,433 he knew right from wrong. 413 00:22:55,466 --> 00:22:57,416 Smith: He was very calculating. 414 00:22:57,450 --> 00:23:00,020 The person who committed these crimes was very much in control. 415 00:23:00,050 --> 00:23:02,320 It was all about control. 416 00:23:02,350 --> 00:23:05,120 My lawyers advised me not to make any, you know, 417 00:23:05,150 --> 00:23:07,030 answer any questions. 418 00:23:07,066 --> 00:23:08,366 [ Laughs ] 419 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,220 Smith: Danny would play games. 420 00:23:10,250 --> 00:23:15,270 His narcissism was at the heart of everything he did. 421 00:23:18,166 --> 00:23:20,166 Hewitt: Rolling wanted to meet with us. 422 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:24,280 He wanted to tell us where the murder weapon was. 423 00:23:24,316 --> 00:23:27,316 Woman: Heavy equipment pushes up mound after mound of dirt 424 00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:30,450 as metal detectors search for clues. 425 00:23:30,483 --> 00:23:35,353 We spent months digging and searching. 426 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,230 And never found the murder weapon. 427 00:23:40,266 --> 00:23:45,296 ♪♪ 428 00:23:45,333 --> 00:23:48,073 I received word from the corrections department 429 00:23:48,100 --> 00:23:51,380 that Danny Rolling wanted to talk to me. 430 00:23:51,416 --> 00:23:55,426 Rod got word that Danny wanted to confess. 431 00:23:55,466 --> 00:23:57,196 Smith: It was not above him at all to say, 432 00:23:57,233 --> 00:23:59,333 I'm gonna do this just to throw us off. 433 00:23:59,366 --> 00:24:04,326 But Danny won't talk to them except through 434 00:24:04,366 --> 00:24:08,146 this other inmate named Bobby Lewis. 435 00:24:10,266 --> 00:24:14,146 He was kind of a notorious inmate. 436 00:24:14,183 --> 00:24:19,103 Bobby Lewis's claim to fame is he's the only person 437 00:24:19,133 --> 00:24:22,283 to ever escape off death row in Florida, 438 00:24:22,316 --> 00:24:24,366 and that's his claim to fame. 439 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,030 Rolling's idea was to befriend Lewis 440 00:24:28,066 --> 00:24:31,146 so he could help him escape. 441 00:24:31,183 --> 00:24:34,473 We went up there to the prison and met with rolling 442 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,100 and Bobby Lewis at the same time. 443 00:24:38,133 --> 00:24:40,233 He wanted to make sure that we understood 444 00:24:40,266 --> 00:24:44,296 that Robert Lewis was his advocate. 445 00:24:44,333 --> 00:24:46,473 Woman: Rolling would talk only through a fellow inmate 446 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,130 at Florida state prison. 447 00:24:56,066 --> 00:24:58,096 We told Rolling, "we understand 448 00:24:58,133 --> 00:24:59,483 what you're trying to get through Lewis, 449 00:25:00,016 --> 00:25:02,416 but we need to hear it from you." 450 00:25:02,450 --> 00:25:04,400 And he was reluctant to do that. 451 00:25:09,050 --> 00:25:11,200 And so we came up with the idea, 452 00:25:11,233 --> 00:25:15,353 we'll ask Bobby Lewis the questions. 453 00:25:15,383 --> 00:25:19,103 If it's wrong, you correct him, and he can tell us. 454 00:25:19,133 --> 00:25:21,283 This was ventriloquism. 455 00:25:21,316 --> 00:25:23,226 This was puppetry. 456 00:25:23,266 --> 00:25:24,416 He was bizarre. 457 00:25:24,450 --> 00:25:27,080 They would ask him questions. 458 00:25:27,116 --> 00:25:31,276 He would lean over, whisper to Bobby Lewis. 459 00:25:31,316 --> 00:25:35,026 Bobby Lewis would answer for him. 460 00:25:35,066 --> 00:25:39,466 I don't know why they thought this was such a great idea. 461 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,050 Then we would turn around and ask Rolling, 462 00:25:42,083 --> 00:25:44,253 "Is what he's telling us correct?" 463 00:25:44,283 --> 00:25:46,383 Smith: Legran just kept saying, "Did he get that right, Danny?" 464 00:25:46,416 --> 00:25:51,196 And Danny kept confirming, so we now had Bobby saying it, 465 00:25:51,233 --> 00:25:53,323 but Danny confirming it. 466 00:25:53,350 --> 00:25:56,400 We had the DNA evidence, and most importantly, 467 00:25:56,433 --> 00:25:59,183 we had him saying what he did. 468 00:25:59,216 --> 00:26:01,426 We thought it was a slam dunk. 469 00:26:01,466 --> 00:26:05,096 But Danny wouldn't see it that way. 470 00:26:05,133 --> 00:26:08,133 Man: Rolling has pleaded not guilty and denies law enforcement 471 00:26:08,166 --> 00:26:09,996 reports that he confessed to the crime. 472 00:26:10,033 --> 00:26:14,323 ♪♪ 473 00:26:14,350 --> 00:26:16,330 [ Sirens wailing ] 474 00:26:16,366 --> 00:26:18,326 Man: Rolling came to court in a motorcade, 475 00:26:18,366 --> 00:26:20,446 heavy security, armored vans. 476 00:26:20,483 --> 00:26:23,123 He gave no clue as he stepped out of the van 477 00:26:23,150 --> 00:26:26,000 as to the bombshell he was about to drop in court. 478 00:26:26,033 --> 00:26:28,483 I was in journalism school by the time Danny Rolling 479 00:26:29,016 --> 00:26:33,116 ended up in court, and I was working for WUFT-GM. 480 00:26:33,150 --> 00:26:36,300 It was an NPR station run by the students. 481 00:26:36,333 --> 00:26:38,333 It was February 15th. 482 00:26:38,366 --> 00:26:40,376 It was my 50th birthday. 483 00:26:40,416 --> 00:26:42,416 We all went into court. 484 00:26:42,450 --> 00:26:45,150 Lahey: I was standing next to Diana Hoyt. 485 00:26:45,183 --> 00:26:49,073 All of a sudden, I hear, "They're bringing him in." 486 00:26:49,100 --> 00:26:51,300 And we froze, and then here he comes. 487 00:26:51,333 --> 00:27:00,233 ♪♪ 488 00:27:00,266 --> 00:27:03,016 And it's the first time we've ever seen him. 489 00:27:06,233 --> 00:27:09,353 We had no clue that anything that was going to happen. 490 00:27:09,383 --> 00:27:11,023 Your honor, this is the defendant, 491 00:27:11,050 --> 00:27:12,230 Danny Harold Rolling. 492 00:27:12,266 --> 00:27:19,066 Danny Rolling was meticulous, crafty, and evil. 493 00:27:19,100 --> 00:27:22,320 Your honor, I've been running from first one thing 494 00:27:22,350 --> 00:27:24,370 and then another all my life, 495 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:29,420 but there are some things that you just can't run from. 496 00:27:29,450 --> 00:27:32,050 I leaned a little closer to hear what they were saying. 497 00:27:32,083 --> 00:27:38,003 And all of a sudden, the whole town froze. 498 00:27:38,033 --> 00:27:40,233 Sidner: Danny Rolling decided to plead guilty, 499 00:27:40,266 --> 00:27:44,166 unbeknownst to any of us that were in the room. 500 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,400 Man: Danny Rolling pleaded guilty to the gruesome murders 501 00:27:46,433 --> 00:27:50,083 of five Gainesville area students in August 1990. 502 00:27:50,116 --> 00:27:52,476 I almost questioned that I'd heard what I did. 503 00:27:53,016 --> 00:27:57,146 There was pin drop silences, and then gasps. 504 00:27:57,183 --> 00:27:59,403 Stacy: 'It was absolutely stunning. 505 00:27:59,433 --> 00:28:02,373 No one saw that coming. 506 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,400 He says he can't run for his demons anymore, 507 00:28:05,433 --> 00:28:09,173 and he admitted to killing all five students. 508 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,480 It was a shock to the system. 509 00:28:12,016 --> 00:28:16,116 I don't recall that he ever apologized. 510 00:28:18,050 --> 00:28:21,320 Woman: Anna Larson was in court the day rolling pleaded guilty. 511 00:28:21,350 --> 00:28:23,370 Can you ever forgive him? 512 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,250 Larson: What I think about that is that the people 513 00:28:26,283 --> 00:28:30,283 who need to forgive him are unavailable. 514 00:28:30,316 --> 00:28:32,076 They are dead. 515 00:28:34,033 --> 00:28:37,423 We learned a lot that we didn't know before. 516 00:28:37,450 --> 00:28:40,150 Fraser: When Tracy Paules saw him, she said, 517 00:28:40,183 --> 00:28:41,233 "you're the student killer." 518 00:28:41,266 --> 00:28:45,146 And said to him, "They will find you." 519 00:28:45,183 --> 00:28:47,023 Listen, I was okay with just getting a gun, 520 00:28:47,050 --> 00:28:48,470 shooting him, and that be it. 521 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,370 ♪♪ 522 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,300 Man: It was a trial that was to take months, 523 00:28:57,333 --> 00:28:58,483 but today in a Gainesville courtroom, 524 00:28:59,016 --> 00:29:00,216 6'4" Louisiana drifter 525 00:29:00,250 --> 00:29:02,300 Danny Rolling put an end to all that. 526 00:29:02,333 --> 00:29:04,353 In a surprise move, rolling pleaded guilty 527 00:29:04,383 --> 00:29:07,383 to the now infamous Gainesville student murders. 528 00:29:09,466 --> 00:29:15,076 There are some things that you just can't run from. 529 00:29:15,116 --> 00:29:17,096 He was not remorseful. 530 00:29:17,133 --> 00:29:19,223 He was never remorseful. 531 00:29:19,250 --> 00:29:21,450 Man: His attorney claims Rolling decided to plead guilty 532 00:29:21,483 --> 00:29:23,453 in his jail cell last month. 533 00:29:23,483 --> 00:29:26,453 When we've asked him why he reached this decision 534 00:29:26,483 --> 00:29:28,453 was to do the right thing. 535 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,180 I think it was a play on his part 536 00:29:32,216 --> 00:29:35,326 to attempt to stay out of the death chamber. 537 00:29:35,366 --> 00:29:36,416 Taboada: It was very simple for me. 538 00:29:36,450 --> 00:29:39,480 I've always said I wanted to refer to him 539 00:29:40,016 --> 00:29:43,416 in the same tense as my brother -- 540 00:29:43,450 --> 00:29:45,000 in the past tense. 541 00:29:45,033 --> 00:29:47,373 ♪♪ 542 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,000 Man: Should Danny Rolling die 543 00:29:49,033 --> 00:29:52,033 because he murdered five college students in August 1990, 544 00:29:52,066 --> 00:29:53,276 or should he be allowed to live 545 00:29:53,316 --> 00:29:56,276 because his mind was warped by a terrible childhood? 546 00:29:56,316 --> 00:29:58,266 That's the question before a Gainesville, Florida, 547 00:29:58,300 --> 00:29:59,330 jury now. 548 00:29:59,366 --> 00:30:01,196 The prosecution described the murders 549 00:30:01,233 --> 00:30:03,273 and said Rolling should die. 550 00:30:03,300 --> 00:30:07,400 Smith: That's five humans tortured to death, premeditated, 551 00:30:07,433 --> 00:30:11,253 planned by a man with a history of crime. 552 00:30:11,283 --> 00:30:13,403 I had never prosecuted a case before. 553 00:30:13,433 --> 00:30:16,173 Now, I didn't tell people that very much. 554 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:17,380 You must return -- 555 00:30:17,416 --> 00:30:22,146 you must return a recommendation of the death penalty. 556 00:30:22,183 --> 00:30:25,353 Man: Defense countered that Rolling's brutal childhood in Louisiana 557 00:30:25,383 --> 00:30:27,133 turned him into a monster. 558 00:30:27,166 --> 00:30:30,446 He came from a very, very abusive background. 559 00:30:30,483 --> 00:30:34,383 He was a very mentally disturbed person. 560 00:30:34,416 --> 00:30:39,146 I diagnosed him with borderline personality disorder. 561 00:30:39,183 --> 00:30:41,203 Woman: His head bowed, Danny Rolling heard friends 562 00:30:41,233 --> 00:30:45,123 and relatives describe a life of emotional and physical abuse 563 00:30:45,150 --> 00:30:47,070 at the hands of his father. 564 00:30:47,100 --> 00:30:49,250 Rolling's mother, ill with cancer, 565 00:30:49,283 --> 00:30:53,033 testified on videotape to her husband's extremes. 566 00:30:53,066 --> 00:30:56,096 James went straight to the bedroom where Danny was, 567 00:30:56,133 --> 00:30:58,133 and he grabbed his hair and held his head back 568 00:30:58,166 --> 00:31:01,166 and put a knife to his throat. 569 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,220 I accept that he was damaged goods 570 00:31:04,250 --> 00:31:06,370 from his beginnings in Louisiana, 571 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:11,180 but many people have bad parents, 572 00:31:11,216 --> 00:31:13,266 and they don't do what he did. 573 00:31:13,300 --> 00:31:15,220 Woman: Danny Rolling was hustled into the courthouse 574 00:31:15,250 --> 00:31:17,470 wearing a bulletproof vest under his shirt. 575 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,380 So strong is sentiment against the confessed killer, 576 00:31:20,416 --> 00:31:23,216 police take no chances. 577 00:31:23,250 --> 00:31:26,080 Hoyt: I went every day to the court. 578 00:31:26,116 --> 00:31:27,446 I went for Christa. 579 00:31:27,483 --> 00:31:32,373 She was no longer on this Earth to stand up for herself. 580 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,300 Woman: Tracy Paules's sister was in tears 581 00:31:34,333 --> 00:31:36,303 even before the first witness was called. 582 00:31:36,333 --> 00:31:38,373 She knew what was coming. 583 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,200 I had to be there every day to represent her. 584 00:31:42,233 --> 00:31:44,173 Had to. 585 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:51,180 Umm -- she, umm, would have done that for me. 586 00:31:51,216 --> 00:31:53,396 I feel like I still want to protect her. 587 00:31:53,433 --> 00:31:55,103 To me, it's almost the last thing 588 00:31:55,133 --> 00:31:58,273 I'll ever get to do for her. 589 00:31:58,300 --> 00:32:02,280 Every time he mentioned her name, it was a jolt. 590 00:32:02,316 --> 00:32:05,076 How he went into the apartment and did what he did, 591 00:32:05,116 --> 00:32:06,996 step by step. 592 00:32:07,033 --> 00:32:10,453 We learned a lot from the penalty phase 593 00:32:10,483 --> 00:32:13,153 that we didn't know before. 594 00:32:15,433 --> 00:32:18,373 Smith: We know that Danny originally had picked somebody else out, 595 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,370 who his first victim was gonna be. 596 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,020 Have no idea who it is. 597 00:32:23,050 --> 00:32:24,320 He was at the back of a house, 598 00:32:24,350 --> 00:32:29,420 and somebody stumbled around that house, and Danny ran off. 599 00:32:29,450 --> 00:32:33,020 We were told that, when Tracy Paules saw him, 600 00:32:33,050 --> 00:32:35,400 she said, "you're the student killer." 601 00:32:35,433 --> 00:32:38,183 And he told his people he liked that, 602 00:32:38,216 --> 00:32:40,426 he liked that she recognized him. 603 00:32:40,466 --> 00:32:44,376 Tracy actually stood up to him and said to him, 604 00:32:44,416 --> 00:32:46,366 "They will find you." 605 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,380 I'm glad that she was able to stand up to him in some way. 606 00:32:52,133 --> 00:32:55,133 He wanted to be known as the greatest 607 00:32:55,166 --> 00:32:57,126 serial killer of all time. 608 00:32:57,166 --> 00:33:01,446 He was the most despicable person I ever saw. 609 00:33:01,483 --> 00:33:03,233 He would often turn around 610 00:33:03,266 --> 00:33:06,046 and look us right in the eyes and stare at us, 611 00:33:06,083 --> 00:33:11,123 but he knew all the time that he was playing to the cameras. 612 00:33:11,150 --> 00:33:13,230 Smith: You have to understand, in Danny's mind, 613 00:33:13,266 --> 00:33:15,276 everything was always about him. 614 00:33:15,316 --> 00:33:17,296 He wants to be as famous as possible, you know. 615 00:33:17,333 --> 00:33:20,273 He wants to get the spotlight every chance he gets. 616 00:33:20,300 --> 00:33:22,270 You never knew what you were gonna get. 617 00:33:22,300 --> 00:33:26,020 Fraser: One day he's crazy. The next day he's singing. 618 00:33:26,050 --> 00:33:28,280 The next day, he's smiling and happy. 619 00:33:28,316 --> 00:33:30,016 Hicks: He got a girlfriend. 620 00:33:30,050 --> 00:33:32,200 She'd come into the courtroom, and "I love you." 621 00:33:32,233 --> 00:33:35,033 And she'd wave to him. 622 00:33:35,066 --> 00:33:36,216 It was surreal. 623 00:33:36,250 --> 00:33:39,020 Woman: Rolling's accused of grandstanding here, 624 00:33:39,050 --> 00:33:42,030 even during his final plea for mercy. 625 00:33:42,066 --> 00:33:46,176 There's much I'd like to say, your honor, 626 00:33:46,216 --> 00:33:51,326 about our world, my beliefs, and the destiny of man. 627 00:33:51,366 --> 00:33:54,046 It was infuriating to watch him. 628 00:33:54,083 --> 00:33:59,373 If only I could bend back the hands on that ageless clock 629 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,030 and change the past. 630 00:34:03,066 --> 00:34:05,076 But alas. 631 00:34:05,116 --> 00:34:08,216 I am not the keeper of time. 632 00:34:08,250 --> 00:34:12,050 Only a small part of history. 633 00:34:12,083 --> 00:34:15,273 And the legacy of mankind's fall from grace. 634 00:34:15,300 --> 00:34:18,220 And then he'd sit down and look at the camera. 635 00:34:18,250 --> 00:34:20,400 Absolutely the wrong way to go. 636 00:34:20,433 --> 00:34:27,103 ♪♪ 637 00:34:27,133 --> 00:34:29,173 Man: Danny Rolling had already admitted 638 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:33,180 he was the serial killer who was behind the five brutal slayings. 639 00:34:33,216 --> 00:34:35,066 Now it was time to hear his fate. 640 00:34:35,100 --> 00:34:41,030 ♪♪ 641 00:34:41,066 --> 00:34:42,416 It is ordered and adjudged that the defendant, 642 00:34:42,450 --> 00:34:46,180 Danny Harold Rolling, is hereby sentenced to death. 643 00:34:49,233 --> 00:34:51,453 I think some people would say that it was a shame 644 00:34:51,483 --> 00:34:56,273 that you couldn't do the sentencing five times, you know? 645 00:34:56,300 --> 00:34:58,150 Taboada: Listen, I was okay with just getting a gun, 646 00:34:58,183 --> 00:35:02,283 shooting him, and that be it. 647 00:35:02,316 --> 00:35:05,146 Woman: Mario Taboada did what all the other relatives 648 00:35:05,183 --> 00:35:07,423 of the five students wanted to do. 649 00:35:07,450 --> 00:35:11,200 Standing up so that he would have to see me. 650 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:19,450 It startled everyone. 651 00:35:19,483 --> 00:35:23,233 He was able to address the person who killed his brother 652 00:35:23,266 --> 00:35:27,016 for the first time and have that person see him. 653 00:35:27,050 --> 00:35:29,070 Taboada: We have the last say. 654 00:35:29,100 --> 00:35:30,180 We will prevail. 655 00:35:30,216 --> 00:35:33,216 Our children's names will be remembered. 656 00:35:33,250 --> 00:35:37,150 It was fitting that one of the victim's family members 657 00:35:37,183 --> 00:35:38,483 got the last word. 658 00:35:39,016 --> 00:35:40,416 I have no pity for this individual. 659 00:35:40,450 --> 00:35:43,430 This is a life form gone bad, and I don't feel 660 00:35:43,466 --> 00:35:45,316 jack [bleep] for him. 661 00:35:45,350 --> 00:35:49,070 Woman: Killer Danny Rolling left for death row under heavy security. 662 00:35:49,100 --> 00:35:51,350 Are you ready to die? 663 00:35:51,383 --> 00:35:53,483 I've been preparing myself for years. 664 00:36:00,150 --> 00:36:01,420 This is my last interview. 665 00:36:01,450 --> 00:36:05,180 Woman: It is? I'm not doing any more. 666 00:36:05,216 --> 00:36:10,096 It took forever to go through the appellate process. 667 00:36:10,133 --> 00:36:13,053 Man: In August 1990, Rolling went on a three-day 668 00:36:13,083 --> 00:36:17,253 rampage in off-campus apartments near the University of Florida. 669 00:36:17,283 --> 00:36:20,233 Mann: It's not a matter of whether he did it or not. 670 00:36:20,266 --> 00:36:22,176 He said he did it. 671 00:36:22,216 --> 00:36:25,046 He just didn't want to die. 672 00:36:25,083 --> 00:36:28,083 This is five horrible, heartless murders. 673 00:36:28,116 --> 00:36:30,366 Danny Rolling enjoyed what he did. 674 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,070 It was his supreme source of joy. 675 00:36:34,100 --> 00:36:36,120 He would have done the same thing again. 676 00:36:38,416 --> 00:36:41,046 Hoyt: During his time while he was in prison, 677 00:36:41,083 --> 00:36:44,203 he had the students' pictures above his bunk 678 00:36:44,233 --> 00:36:47,203 so every night, when he went to sleep, 679 00:36:47,233 --> 00:36:52,453 he could look at those pictures and relive each crime scene. 680 00:36:52,483 --> 00:36:56,233 You can't keep killing our children. 681 00:36:56,266 --> 00:36:59,016 Are you ready to die? 682 00:36:59,050 --> 00:37:01,000 I've been preparing myself for years. 683 00:37:01,033 --> 00:37:09,383 ♪♪ 684 00:37:09,416 --> 00:37:16,076 It was 16 years in the making. 685 00:37:16,116 --> 00:37:20,026 Hewitt: The families all met here in Gainesville. 686 00:37:20,066 --> 00:37:23,346 We made arrangements to escort 'em up 687 00:37:23,383 --> 00:37:25,383 to the Florida state prison. 688 00:37:25,416 --> 00:37:28,226 Hoyt: We got to see all of the people that worked on the crime scenes 689 00:37:28,266 --> 00:37:30,466 and who worked with us through the years 690 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,270 and get to talk to 'em. 691 00:37:32,300 --> 00:37:35,380 Mann: There's a bond that will always be there. 692 00:37:35,416 --> 00:37:39,046 It's just, you know, it's something that I cherish. 693 00:37:39,083 --> 00:37:41,353 We were led to the back, into the room, 694 00:37:41,383 --> 00:37:44,123 and it was very crowded. 695 00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:49,080 They brought him out on his gurney and hooked him up. 696 00:37:49,116 --> 00:37:52,996 It was very, very difficult to sit through this. 697 00:37:53,033 --> 00:37:57,383 The 52-year-old killer is being given a lethal dose of drugs. 698 00:37:57,416 --> 00:37:59,096 Lahey: He died too peacefully. 699 00:37:59,133 --> 00:38:02,183 I watched him die too peacefully. 700 00:38:02,216 --> 00:38:08,116 He was able to take a medical cocktail and simply go to sleep. 701 00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:10,230 It was very anticlimactic. 702 00:38:10,266 --> 00:38:14,246 Considering the -- the violence 703 00:38:14,283 --> 00:38:19,083 that he bestowed upon these victims. 704 00:38:19,116 --> 00:38:25,416 ♪♪ 705 00:38:25,450 --> 00:38:31,080 The world became a better place to not have the evilness here. 706 00:38:31,116 --> 00:38:37,166 On this date, October 25, 2006, at 6:13 P.M., 707 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,030 the state of Florida carried out its sentence 708 00:38:39,066 --> 00:38:40,326 against Danny Harold Rolling. 709 00:38:43,150 --> 00:38:45,180 Mr. Rolling sang a song. 710 00:38:45,216 --> 00:38:47,026 "None greater than thee, oh Lord. 711 00:38:47,066 --> 00:38:48,296 None greater than thee." 712 00:38:48,333 --> 00:38:51,073 Man: And there were five verses, five choruses. 713 00:38:51,100 --> 00:38:54,030 It went on for, I'd say, between two and three minutes. 714 00:38:54,066 --> 00:38:56,996 He would look at each one of us in the eye, 715 00:38:57,033 --> 00:38:59,273 and he kept singing his songs. 716 00:38:59,300 --> 00:39:03,480 I didn't understand how he could sit there 717 00:39:04,016 --> 00:39:06,226 after the horrendous crimes that he has committed 718 00:39:06,266 --> 00:39:10,016 and talked about the angels watching over him. 719 00:39:10,050 --> 00:39:12,320 I don't understand that. 720 00:39:12,350 --> 00:39:16,180 We waited for this time, and justice was done. 721 00:39:16,216 --> 00:39:18,466 Tracy will always live in our hearts and our minds. 722 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,470 I thought maybe at that point, that was closure. 723 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:27,430 To watch him disappear, oh, I don't know. 724 00:39:27,466 --> 00:39:30,226 I'm feeling a lot better now. 725 00:39:30,266 --> 00:39:32,026 A lot better now. 726 00:39:32,066 --> 00:39:34,246 But it really wasn't 'cause she's still gone, 727 00:39:34,283 --> 00:39:36,053 and I still hurt. 728 00:39:36,083 --> 00:39:38,273 I still hurt for her. 729 00:39:38,300 --> 00:39:41,150 Fraser: Danny Rolling, he got what he deserved. 730 00:39:41,183 --> 00:39:44,073 The victims, they didn't get what they deserved. 731 00:39:44,100 --> 00:39:48,230 They didn't get to live their lives, so remember them. 732 00:39:48,266 --> 00:39:49,276 Don't remember him. 733 00:39:49,316 --> 00:39:54,096 ♪♪ 734 00:39:54,133 --> 00:39:57,223 Emery: Christy, she was the girl that was cheering 735 00:39:57,250 --> 00:39:59,320 everybody else up all the time. 736 00:39:59,350 --> 00:40:02,130 When I think of her now, 737 00:40:02,166 --> 00:40:06,116 I literally see her with a smile on her face. 738 00:40:06,150 --> 00:40:08,150 Man: Sonja Larson was 18. 739 00:40:08,183 --> 00:40:12,283 I look forward to being with her in eternity, you know? 740 00:40:12,316 --> 00:40:17,376 I believe that she's here, that her presence is here. 741 00:40:17,416 --> 00:40:19,166 Hoyt: They called Christa glow worm 742 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,100 because she always had a brilliant smile. 743 00:40:22,133 --> 00:40:28,123 She was always happy, and she was a pleasure to know. 744 00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:30,070 Taboada: You know, when you least expect it, 745 00:40:30,100 --> 00:40:35,150 I will still bump into somebody who says, you know, 746 00:40:35,183 --> 00:40:37,233 "I knew your brother. 747 00:40:37,266 --> 00:40:39,266 He'll be 24 forever." 748 00:40:42,250 --> 00:40:45,000 Lahey: I told my children all the time that they have 749 00:40:45,033 --> 00:40:48,023 a guardian angel, Aunt Tracy. 750 00:40:48,050 --> 00:40:49,370 It brings me comfort. 751 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:53,130 I just really wish she were here. 752 00:40:53,166 --> 00:40:55,296 Sidner: If you drive down one of the main thoroughfares 753 00:40:55,333 --> 00:40:59,473 in Gainesville, there is a wall, and on that wall, to this day, 754 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,250 there is a memorial to the five students that were killed. 755 00:41:04,283 --> 00:41:09,453 I think the wall reminds us that we're all human beings. 756 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,400 Sidner: His name's not on that mural. Their names are. 757 00:41:12,433 --> 00:41:16,123 He told people he wanted to be the greatest serial killer 758 00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:17,450 of all time. 759 00:41:17,483 --> 00:41:19,383 Hicks: He did not get what he wanted, 760 00:41:19,416 --> 00:41:21,466 and there is sort of a sweet justice in that. 761 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:28,000 ♪♪ 762 00:41:28,033 --> 00:41:30,253 Just hours before his execution, 763 00:41:30,283 --> 00:41:34,223 Danny Rolling confessed to three additional murders. 764 00:41:34,250 --> 00:41:36,200 In a written statement, Rolling said 765 00:41:36,233 --> 00:41:38,373 he killed 55-year-Old Tom Grissom, his daughter, 766 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:43,470 Julie, and 7-year-old grandson Sean in Shreveport, Louisiana. 767 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,480 In the decades since the Gainesville student murders, 768 00:41:47,016 --> 00:41:48,446 a scholarship in the victims' names 769 00:41:48,483 --> 00:41:52,003 has raised hundreds of thousands of dollars. 770 00:41:52,033 --> 00:41:54,403 And the memorial wall bearing the names of the five killed 771 00:41:54,433 --> 00:41:58,473 still stands in remembrance of promising lives lost. 772 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,300 I'm Hill Harper. 773 00:42:00,333 --> 00:42:02,223 Thanks for watching. 61510

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