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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:24,526 --> 00:00:26,111 I'm very pleased tonight... 2 00:00:26,194 --> 00:00:28,488 to introduce a man who, in my opinion... 3 00:00:28,571 --> 00:00:31,282 is the greatest living writer in America. 4 00:00:31,783 --> 00:00:35,370 Reading selections from Naked Lunch and Nova Express... 5 00:00:35,453 --> 00:00:38,289 in his first television appearance ever... 6 00:00:38,373 --> 00:00:41,418 here is Mr. William Burroughs! [ Chuckles ] 7 00:00:41,501 --> 00:00:44,421 [ Applause ] 8 00:00:53,221 --> 00:00:56,808 Twilight's last gleamings. 9 00:00:56,891 --> 00:01:00,770 SS America off Jersey coast. 10 00:01:01,312 --> 00:01:06,568 Uh, ladies and gentlemen, there is no cause for alarm. 11 00:01:06,651 --> 00:01:09,487 We have a minor problem in the boiler room... 12 00:01:09,571 --> 00:01:13,825 but everything is now under— 13 00:01:14,492 --> 00:01:15,994 [ Laughter ] 14 00:01:16,077 --> 00:01:18,580 - Sound effects of a nuclear blast. - [ Explosion ] 15 00:01:18,663 --> 00:01:21,291 The explosion splits the boat. 16 00:01:21,374 --> 00:01:24,252 [ Explosion Continues ] 17 00:01:25,170 --> 00:01:28,089 Dr. Benway, ship's doctor... 18 00:01:28,173 --> 00:01:32,093 drunkenly added two inches to a four-inch incision... 19 00:01:32,177 --> 00:01:34,804 with one stroke of his scalpel. 20 00:01:35,346 --> 00:01:39,017 "Perhaps the appendix is already out, Doctor," the nurse said... 21 00:01:39,100 --> 00:01:41,060 - peering dubiously over his shoulder. - [ Laughter ] 22 00:01:41,144 --> 00:01:43,104 "I saw a little scar." 23 00:01:43,813 --> 00:01:46,232 "The appendix out? 24 00:01:46,816 --> 00:01:48,610 I'm taking the appendix out! 25 00:01:48,693 --> 00:01:51,029 What do you think I'm doing here?" 26 00:01:51,529 --> 00:01:53,698 "Perhaps the appendix is on the left side, Doctor. 27 00:01:53,782 --> 00:01:57,619 That happens sometimes, you know." 28 00:01:57,702 --> 00:02:01,289 "Stop breathing down my neck! I'm coming to that. 29 00:02:01,372 --> 00:02:04,626 Don't you think I know where an appendix is? 30 00:02:04,709 --> 00:02:09,214 I studied appendectomy in 1904 at Harvard." 31 00:02:09,798 --> 00:02:13,968 He lifts the abdominal wall and searches along the incision... 32 00:02:14,052 --> 00:02:15,970 dropping ashes from his cigarette. 33 00:02:16,054 --> 00:02:17,722 [ Laughter ] 34 00:02:17,806 --> 00:02:21,726 "And get me a new scalpel. This one's got no edge to it." 35 00:02:21,810 --> 00:02:25,188 - He thrusts a red fist at her. - [ Explosion ] 36 00:02:25,271 --> 00:02:28,900 The doctor reels back and flattens against the wall... 37 00:02:28,983 --> 00:02:30,693 a bloody scalpel clutched in one hand. 38 00:02:30,777 --> 00:02:32,445 ♪♪ [ "The Star-spangled Banner" ] 39 00:02:32,570 --> 00:02:37,617 The patient slides off the operating table, spilling intestines across the floor. 40 00:02:37,700 --> 00:02:40,161 [ Laughter ] 41 00:02:40,245 --> 00:02:45,917 Dr. Benway sweeps instruments, cocaine and morphine into his satchel. 42 00:02:46,543 --> 00:02:50,839 "Sew her up. I can't be expected to work under such conditions." 43 00:02:50,922 --> 00:02:52,507 ♪♪ [ Continues ] 44 00:02:52,590 --> 00:02:55,009 Dr. Benway pushed through a crowd at the rail... 45 00:02:55,093 --> 00:02:56,928 and boarded the first lifeboat. 46 00:02:57,595 --> 00:03:02,225 "Y'all all right?" he says, seating himself among the women. 47 00:03:03,101 --> 00:03:05,436 "I'm the doctor." 48 00:03:06,938 --> 00:03:10,149 [ Applause ] 49 00:03:13,278 --> 00:03:16,072 ♪♪ [ Ends ] 50 00:03:18,616 --> 00:03:21,828 ♪♪ [ Swing ] 51 00:03:54,736 --> 00:03:57,697 ♪♪ [ Continues ] 52 00:04:27,226 --> 00:04:30,146 I remember one thing about him, that he kept ferrets in his room. 53 00:04:30,229 --> 00:04:34,817 He was the only Harvard student that had ferrets as pets. 54 00:04:34,901 --> 00:04:37,612 And I admit, I couldn't imagine having such things... 55 00:04:37,695 --> 00:04:39,697 but there was Bill and there were the ferrets. 56 00:04:40,490 --> 00:04:43,660 I didn't feel at all comfortable with Bill. 57 00:04:43,743 --> 00:04:47,330 My first thought was, "Man, this guy's gotta be heat." 58 00:04:47,413 --> 00:04:49,791 William is, like, never sees anybody... 59 00:04:49,874 --> 00:04:51,876 never goes out, hates parties... 60 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:56,631 and-and lives a completely enclosed — enclosed life, you know? 61 00:04:56,714 --> 00:04:59,884 William would make a great prisoner. 62 00:04:59,968 --> 00:05:01,552 You know? I mean in solitary. 63 00:05:01,636 --> 00:05:05,640 He, uh, bewilders me just a little bit, even now. 64 00:05:06,265 --> 00:05:09,310 There's no one more — He's up there with the pope, you know? 65 00:05:09,394 --> 00:05:12,271 You-You can't revere him enough, you know? 66 00:05:12,355 --> 00:05:15,358 He's one of the greatest minds of our times, you know? 67 00:05:15,441 --> 00:05:17,151 You wouldn't know shit about Burroughs... 68 00:05:17,235 --> 00:05:21,030 unless you knew him for a long time and through various crises... 69 00:05:21,114 --> 00:05:23,324 to see how he responded, how he acted. 70 00:05:23,408 --> 00:05:25,118 Well, Kerouac said that Burroughs was... 71 00:05:25,201 --> 00:05:26,911 the most intelligent man in America. 72 00:05:26,995 --> 00:05:28,830 I probably repeated that a million times. 73 00:05:28,913 --> 00:05:32,750 He's a hard guy to get into bed. That's why I like him, I think. 74 00:05:36,254 --> 00:05:41,634 I was born February 5, 1914, in Saint Louis, Missouri. 75 00:05:42,427 --> 00:05:47,015 As a young child, uh, I wanted to be a writer... 76 00:05:47,098 --> 00:05:50,893 and I wrote descriptions of corn dances in New Mexico... 77 00:05:50,977 --> 00:05:53,730 that were much praised by my English teachers. 78 00:05:53,813 --> 00:05:55,815 But it was many years... 79 00:05:55,898 --> 00:05:59,736 before I came back to any — even any attempts to write. 80 00:05:59,819 --> 00:06:03,656 I thought that they led very glamorous lives... 81 00:06:03,740 --> 00:06:07,994 uh, living in Tangiers and smoking hashish... 82 00:06:08,077 --> 00:06:10,788 and sniffing cocaine in Mayfair. 83 00:06:11,289 --> 00:06:13,708 It struck me as being a very glamorous... 84 00:06:13,791 --> 00:06:16,711 and easy and pleasant life. 85 00:06:16,794 --> 00:06:18,296 Little did I know. 86 00:06:18,379 --> 00:06:20,715 ♪♪ [ Psychedelic Jazz ] 87 00:06:49,452 --> 00:06:51,746 [ No Audible Dialogue ] 88 00:07:00,630 --> 00:07:02,882 ♪♪ [ Man Singing, Indistinct ] 89 00:07:12,391 --> 00:07:13,893 ♪♪ [ Fades ] 90 00:07:13,976 --> 00:07:17,271 "When Kim was 15, his father allowed him to withdraw from the school... 91 00:07:17,355 --> 00:07:19,607 because he was so unhappy there... 92 00:07:19,690 --> 00:07:21,192 and so much disliked... 93 00:07:21,275 --> 00:07:23,444 by the other boys and their parents. 94 00:07:23,528 --> 00:07:27,031 'I don't want that boy in the house again,' said Colonel Greenfield. 95 00:07:27,115 --> 00:07:29,617 'He looks like a sheep-killin' dog.' 96 00:07:31,077 --> 00:07:33,079 'It is a walking corpse'... 97 00:07:33,162 --> 00:07:37,125 said a Saint Louis matron poisonously. 98 00:07:37,208 --> 00:07:40,837 Years later, Kim settled that account. 99 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,297 When informed of her death, he said... 100 00:07:43,381 --> 00:07:48,136 'Well, it isn't every corpse that can walk. Hers can't.'" 101 00:07:48,219 --> 00:07:49,720 [ Laughter ] 102 00:07:49,804 --> 00:07:54,684 "'The boy is rotten clear through, and he stinks like a polecat'... 103 00:07:54,767 --> 00:07:57,478 Judge Farris pontificated. 104 00:07:57,562 --> 00:07:59,689 Now this was true. 105 00:07:59,772 --> 00:08:02,441 When angered or aroused or excited... 106 00:08:02,525 --> 00:08:04,652 Kim flushed bright red... 107 00:08:04,735 --> 00:08:09,824 and steamed off a rank, ruttish animal smell. 108 00:08:10,741 --> 00:08:12,952 'The child is not wholesome'... 109 00:08:13,035 --> 00:08:16,706 said Mr. Kindhart with his usual restraint. 110 00:08:17,498 --> 00:08:21,002 Kim remembers his father's last words. 111 00:08:21,752 --> 00:08:25,590 'Stay out of churches, Son. 112 00:08:25,673 --> 00:08:30,511 And don't ever let a priest near you when you're dying. 113 00:08:30,595 --> 00:08:34,891 [ Clears Throat ] All they got a key to is the shit house. 114 00:08:35,725 --> 00:08:41,189 And swear to me you will never wear a policeman's badge.'" 115 00:08:42,106 --> 00:08:44,650 [ No Audible Dialogue ] 116 00:08:44,734 --> 00:08:47,403 [ Burroughs ] I never felt that I really belonged at all... 117 00:08:47,486 --> 00:08:51,532 in the whole Saint Louis, uh, social structure. 118 00:08:51,616 --> 00:08:54,452 There was just something wrong there. 119 00:08:55,119 --> 00:08:57,239 [ Burroughs ] Now there's — This is, uh — Corner wall. 120 00:08:57,288 --> 00:09:00,124 Now that's Dr. Senseney's old house. 121 00:09:00,208 --> 00:09:01,959 It was his wife... 122 00:09:02,043 --> 00:09:05,546 who said about me that I looked like a walking corpse. 123 00:09:05,630 --> 00:09:07,089 [ Man Chuckles ] 124 00:09:07,173 --> 00:09:10,718 Uh, years later when I heard that she had died, I said... 125 00:09:10,801 --> 00:09:14,472 "It isn't every corpse that can walk. Hers can't." 126 00:09:14,555 --> 00:09:19,393 "I can divide my literary production into sets. 127 00:09:19,477 --> 00:09:24,732 Where, when and under what circumstances produced. 128 00:09:25,608 --> 00:09:29,278 [ Burroughs Continues ] The first set is a street of red brick houses... 129 00:09:29,362 --> 00:09:34,951 with slate roofs, lawns in front and large backyards. 130 00:09:35,034 --> 00:09:39,497 The address is 4664 Pershing Avenue... 131 00:09:39,580 --> 00:09:42,375 and the house is still there." 132 00:09:49,382 --> 00:09:51,217 Do you wanna stroll over there? 133 00:09:51,300 --> 00:09:53,177 You see — You can see all the rooms. 134 00:09:53,261 --> 00:09:55,429 See the little room to the side there? 135 00:09:55,513 --> 00:09:57,181 That was my father's study. 136 00:09:57,265 --> 00:10:01,102 [ Burroughs ] Nothing here but the smell of empty years. 137 00:10:01,185 --> 00:10:03,854 How many years? I can't be sure. 138 00:10:04,522 --> 00:10:06,899 I remember a dream of my childhood. 139 00:10:06,983 --> 00:10:09,110 I am in a beautiful garden. 140 00:10:09,193 --> 00:10:11,779 As I reach out to touch the flowers... 141 00:10:11,862 --> 00:10:15,032 they wither under my hands. 142 00:10:15,574 --> 00:10:18,619 I wonder whatever happened to Otto's boy... 143 00:10:18,703 --> 00:10:20,788 who played the violin. 144 00:10:20,871 --> 00:10:23,332 [ Man ] You had — Otto was your gardener here even? 145 00:10:23,416 --> 00:10:25,418 Yes, and he went with us to Price Road. 146 00:10:25,501 --> 00:10:28,296 I see. Did you know him a lot when you were a little kid? 147 00:10:28,379 --> 00:10:30,298 - Oh, yes. - Older man, a black man. 148 00:10:30,381 --> 00:10:35,011 All the time I was out talking to him because, um... 149 00:10:36,512 --> 00:10:39,807 you know, he was gardening there and I was out looking at the flowers... 150 00:10:39,890 --> 00:10:41,892 and I had my pet toad. 151 00:10:41,976 --> 00:10:44,770 When I would be working... 152 00:10:44,854 --> 00:10:49,150 he — he would come out and help me. 153 00:10:49,233 --> 00:10:52,153 - [ Laughing ] - You know, he was — he was like this. 154 00:10:52,236 --> 00:10:56,449 - But he would come out and — - That's true, yeah. 155 00:10:56,532 --> 00:11:00,244 try to help me, you know, to have my work done. 156 00:11:00,953 --> 00:11:03,331 And I had a boy... 157 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:09,712 and-and I-I got all their clothes to clothe him. 158 00:11:09,795 --> 00:11:12,381 - [ Man ] How old is your son? - [ Woman ] Oh, he's dead now. 159 00:11:12,465 --> 00:11:15,343 - He is — - [ Woman ] He died in '52. 160 00:11:15,426 --> 00:11:17,928 He has been dead a long time. 161 00:11:18,429 --> 00:11:20,389 He played the violin, I remember. 162 00:11:20,473 --> 00:11:23,559 That's — That's right. He can remember. 163 00:11:23,642 --> 00:11:26,687 - He-He played — - His name was Harold. 164 00:11:26,771 --> 00:11:29,732 - Harold! He remembers. - [ Woman Chuckles ] 165 00:11:29,815 --> 00:11:32,193 Yes, his name was Harold. 166 00:11:33,069 --> 00:11:38,407 As I recall in, uh, 1958, '59... 167 00:11:38,491 --> 00:11:41,577 I wrote — when I was writing Naked Lunch, I wrote a line: 168 00:11:41,660 --> 00:11:45,873 "I wonder whatever happened to Otto's boy who played the violin." 169 00:11:45,956 --> 00:11:49,001 Well, I had a sort of a premonition at that point that he was dead... 170 00:11:49,085 --> 00:11:52,797 and I asked about it in my next letter to Otto... 171 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:54,632 and he told me that, uh... 172 00:11:54,715 --> 00:11:59,261 Harold had died in 1952, St. Luke's Hospital. 173 00:11:59,345 --> 00:12:01,639 He did not say from what cause. 174 00:12:03,599 --> 00:12:06,519 Now we had an old Irish crone living here... 175 00:12:06,602 --> 00:12:08,854 working here for a while... 176 00:12:08,938 --> 00:12:11,482 who taught me how to call the toads. 177 00:12:12,358 --> 00:12:16,112 And I could come out here and call a toad. 178 00:12:16,195 --> 00:12:19,740 There was a toad who lived under a rock right by the pool... 179 00:12:19,824 --> 00:12:22,660 and he'd come hopping out right to my feet. 180 00:12:22,743 --> 00:12:24,870 - Familiar. - [ Man ] Uh-huh. 181 00:12:24,954 --> 00:12:28,249 - How was this toad called? - I don't remember. 182 00:12:28,332 --> 00:12:30,334 It was a little sound. 183 00:12:31,752 --> 00:12:33,754 You could hardly hear it, sort of a hum. 184 00:12:33,838 --> 00:12:36,757 [ Humming ] 185 00:12:37,716 --> 00:12:39,677 You'd sort of move around... 186 00:12:40,261 --> 00:12:42,096 and then you'd zero in. 187 00:12:42,179 --> 00:12:44,140 Now you've got the toad. 188 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:48,769 - There he is, and out he comes. - Uh-huh. 189 00:12:48,853 --> 00:12:52,606 A lost art, calling — calling the toads. 190 00:12:52,690 --> 00:12:54,191 Yeah. 191 00:12:55,359 --> 00:12:56,861 This porch was here. 192 00:12:56,944 --> 00:12:58,946 Now one of the pictures that we have... 193 00:12:59,029 --> 00:13:01,615 of me and my brother together in Western clothes... 194 00:13:01,699 --> 00:13:04,326 was taken on that porch. 195 00:13:07,705 --> 00:13:09,623 I'm sure that's Dad. 196 00:13:09,707 --> 00:13:12,460 - Yeah. - It looks just like him. 197 00:13:13,878 --> 00:13:15,963 Well, I don't know who this is. 198 00:13:16,046 --> 00:13:18,424 Do you know who this is? Any idea? 199 00:13:18,507 --> 00:13:21,135 - [ Burroughs Murmuring ] - It says "Mortimer Perry Burroughs." 200 00:13:21,218 --> 00:13:23,220 So maybe it's Dad when he was young. 201 00:13:23,304 --> 00:13:26,390 Uh, yes, I think it probably is. 202 00:13:31,103 --> 00:13:32,605 Weird. 203 00:13:32,688 --> 00:13:37,485 The whole family story of my father's side, it gets very, very shady. 204 00:13:37,568 --> 00:13:39,653 [ Man ] What kind of man was your father? 205 00:13:39,737 --> 00:13:43,073 [ Burroughs ] He was very mysterious, very reticent. 206 00:13:43,741 --> 00:13:45,201 The only thing he told me was... 207 00:13:45,284 --> 00:13:50,372 that he was beaten if he ever went into his father's study... 208 00:13:50,456 --> 00:13:53,626 or disturbed his father while he was working. 209 00:13:53,709 --> 00:13:56,170 That he had very little time for the children. 210 00:13:56,253 --> 00:13:58,464 That was the impression I had. 211 00:13:59,131 --> 00:14:02,009 My grandfather invented the Burroughs adding machine... 212 00:14:02,092 --> 00:14:04,678 and founded the Burroughs Corporation. 213 00:14:04,762 --> 00:14:08,432 The family shares would be worth $60 million today... 214 00:14:08,516 --> 00:14:11,477 but the family sold out for a fraction of that... 215 00:14:11,560 --> 00:14:13,938 so I never got a penny from it. 216 00:14:15,147 --> 00:14:16,899 [ Man ] What did your mother look like? 217 00:14:17,441 --> 00:14:19,944 Oh, she was, uh, she was thin. 218 00:14:20,027 --> 00:14:22,071 She had a thin face. 219 00:14:22,154 --> 00:14:26,283 She had a very spiritual, a very ethereal face. 220 00:14:27,284 --> 00:14:31,622 She had a great, um, sort of instinct about people... 221 00:14:32,122 --> 00:14:33,958 and we were quite chummy. 222 00:14:34,041 --> 00:14:37,419 - Your mother and you? - Yes, oh, very. 223 00:14:38,087 --> 00:14:41,966 Oh, Grandma, she'd had about 13 kids. 224 00:14:42,550 --> 00:14:44,260 This grim old woman who said... 225 00:14:44,343 --> 00:14:48,222 "I'd rather see a son of mine come home dead than drunk." 226 00:14:48,305 --> 00:14:51,517 And all her sons were these alcoholics, you know? 227 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,060 [ Man Laughing ] 228 00:14:53,143 --> 00:14:56,897 Oh, Grandmother, oh, Grandmother, what the fuck? 229 00:14:56,981 --> 00:14:58,691 And her husband — 230 00:14:58,774 --> 00:15:02,111 She-She kept forgetting her husband's intemperance. 231 00:15:02,194 --> 00:15:05,573 - [ Chuckling ] Her husband drank, it seems. - Another drunk. 232 00:15:05,656 --> 00:15:08,576 Yes. Yes, indeed. It's in the family. 233 00:15:08,659 --> 00:15:10,619 [ Both Chuckling ] 234 00:15:12,454 --> 00:15:14,164 That is me. 235 00:15:15,332 --> 00:15:17,001 It's one of the, uh — 236 00:15:17,668 --> 00:15:19,920 "William Seward Burroughs." 237 00:15:21,005 --> 00:15:24,925 Well, that must be Laura Belle. That's when we were very young. 238 00:15:25,009 --> 00:15:28,679 You've got a sweet, angelic expression there, Mort. 239 00:15:28,762 --> 00:15:31,562 - [ Mortimer ] You looked pretty cute yourself. - [ Burroughs Chuckles ] 240 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:36,061 I tried to read Naked Lunch. I read halfway through it and I pitched it. 241 00:15:36,145 --> 00:15:39,773 It-It didn't make much sense to me. 242 00:15:39,857 --> 00:15:41,650 And, frankly, it didn't appeal to me. 243 00:15:41,734 --> 00:15:45,946 I didn't see any real necessity for the language he used. 244 00:15:46,030 --> 00:15:49,325 I know he was using it for the shock, uh, purpose. 245 00:15:49,992 --> 00:15:52,745 But, uh, to me, it doesn't do that. 246 00:15:52,828 --> 00:15:54,371 [ Man ] Mm-hmm. 247 00:15:55,706 --> 00:15:57,207 It just sort of disgusts me. 248 00:16:00,044 --> 00:16:03,130 Well, this was the bedroom that I shared with Morty. 249 00:16:03,213 --> 00:16:06,800 As a child I was very much afraid of the dark... 250 00:16:06,884 --> 00:16:08,594 and afraid to be alone... 251 00:16:09,178 --> 00:16:11,096 particularly at night. 252 00:16:11,180 --> 00:16:14,099 So I preferred to have someone in the room with me. 253 00:16:15,809 --> 00:16:18,646 Sometimes when we were out at the other place, I remember... 254 00:16:18,729 --> 00:16:20,314 if my parents were out... 255 00:16:20,397 --> 00:16:23,525 the butler would have to come up and sit in my room... 256 00:16:24,234 --> 00:16:27,237 and if Mort was out, until Mort came home. 257 00:16:29,198 --> 00:16:30,991 Yes, I was afraid of the dark. 258 00:16:31,075 --> 00:16:33,911 I was afraid of lightning, all these things. 259 00:16:34,912 --> 00:16:37,706 They don't bother me anymore. [ Clears Throat ] 260 00:16:38,540 --> 00:16:42,002 [ Burroughs ] You begin to see there is no boy there in the dark room. 261 00:16:44,588 --> 00:16:47,424 He was looking at something a long time ago. 262 00:16:47,508 --> 00:16:49,009 ♪♪ [ Jazz ] 263 00:16:49,093 --> 00:16:51,178 Changed place, sad image... 264 00:16:51,261 --> 00:16:53,222 circulates through backwards time. 265 00:16:54,264 --> 00:16:59,269 Dead young flesh and stale underwear. Bending sex words. 266 00:16:59,353 --> 00:17:02,773 Little Blue Books. Adventure stories. 267 00:17:02,856 --> 00:17:04,650 Coming of Age in Samoa... 268 00:17:04,733 --> 00:17:07,736 The Book of Knowledge and Dorian Gray. 269 00:17:07,820 --> 00:17:10,030 ♪♪ [ Continues ] 270 00:17:10,114 --> 00:17:13,701 Music of East St. Louis. Toodle-oo. 271 00:17:13,784 --> 00:17:16,954 Warm spring wind blows faded pink curtains... 272 00:17:17,037 --> 00:17:18,706 in through the open window. 273 00:17:18,789 --> 00:17:21,375 A child reads a letter. 274 00:17:21,458 --> 00:17:25,129 "Dear Mom and Dad, I am going to join the wild boys. 275 00:17:25,212 --> 00:17:29,383 When you read this, I will be far away." 276 00:17:29,466 --> 00:17:34,221 [ Burroughs ] Well, all these, um, experiences from my childhood... 277 00:17:34,304 --> 00:17:36,890 typical of Saint Louis in the '20s... 278 00:17:36,974 --> 00:17:40,436 and any Midwestern town in the '20s... 279 00:17:40,519 --> 00:17:43,981 actually was a very important source material for my books. 280 00:17:44,064 --> 00:17:48,444 It's found in — in every book actually. 281 00:17:48,527 --> 00:17:50,738 In Junkie, in Naked Lunch... 282 00:17:50,821 --> 00:17:54,158 in The Wild Boys, Exterminator! 283 00:17:54,241 --> 00:17:55,826 - You've — - A recurrent theme. 284 00:17:55,909 --> 00:17:58,871 You've said that a lot of your work, or almost all your work... 285 00:17:58,954 --> 00:18:00,748 is essentially autobiographical. 286 00:18:00,831 --> 00:18:03,083 Yes, anyone's is. [ Murmuring ] 287 00:18:03,167 --> 00:18:05,419 Do you ever wish you could go back to live then... 288 00:18:05,502 --> 00:18:07,588 live here again back in the early '20s? 289 00:18:07,671 --> 00:18:09,923 Oh, that's a recurrent, um... 290 00:18:10,007 --> 00:18:15,095 a recurrent theme in many, many books... 291 00:18:15,179 --> 00:18:18,515 - of people going back to another era. - Mmm. 292 00:18:19,725 --> 00:18:21,435 Yeah, yes, well, I don't — 293 00:18:21,518 --> 00:18:25,105 It just, uh, it just won't work. That's all. 294 00:18:26,523 --> 00:18:28,484 You can't get there. 295 00:18:31,069 --> 00:18:34,031 Now if you can, certainly only as a spectator. 296 00:18:35,365 --> 00:18:40,454 At 15, I was sent to Los Alamos Ranch School for my health... 297 00:18:40,537 --> 00:18:42,331 where they later made the atom bomb. 298 00:18:42,414 --> 00:18:46,043 It seemed so right somehow, like the school song. 299 00:18:46,126 --> 00:18:49,129 ♪ Far away and high on the mesa's crest ♪ 300 00:18:49,213 --> 00:18:53,133 ♪ Here's the life that all of us love the best ♪♪ 301 00:18:53,717 --> 00:18:57,137 Far away and high on the mesa's crest... 302 00:18:57,221 --> 00:18:59,681 I was forced to become a Boy Scout... 303 00:18:59,765 --> 00:19:01,892 exercise before breakfast... 304 00:19:01,975 --> 00:19:07,314 and ride a stubborn, spiteful, recalcitrant horse. 305 00:19:07,397 --> 00:19:12,653 I formed a romantic attachment to one of the boys at Los Alamos... 306 00:19:12,736 --> 00:19:15,697 and kept a diary of this affair... 307 00:19:15,781 --> 00:19:19,993 that was to put me off writing for many years. 308 00:19:20,077 --> 00:19:24,832 I persuaded my family to let me remain in Saint Louis... 309 00:19:24,915 --> 00:19:28,919 so my things were packed and sent to me from the school. 310 00:19:29,461 --> 00:19:31,922 And I used to turn cold... 311 00:19:32,005 --> 00:19:36,969 thinking maybe the boys are reading it aloud to each other. 312 00:19:37,678 --> 00:19:40,180 When the box finally arrived... 313 00:19:40,264 --> 00:19:43,892 I pried it open and threw everything out... 314 00:19:43,976 --> 00:19:48,397 until I found the diary and destroyed it forthwith... 315 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,609 without even a glance at those appalling pages. 316 00:19:53,861 --> 00:19:57,155 This still happens from time to time. 317 00:19:57,239 --> 00:20:01,201 I will write something I think is good at the time... 318 00:20:01,285 --> 00:20:03,203 and looking at it later, I say... 319 00:20:03,287 --> 00:20:06,957 "My God, tear it into very small pieces... 320 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:10,460 and throw it into somebody else's garbage can." 321 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:13,672 After graduating from Harvard... 322 00:20:13,755 --> 00:20:17,968 I studied medicine in Vienna for about six months... 323 00:20:18,051 --> 00:20:22,264 when the war broke out in 1942. 324 00:20:22,764 --> 00:20:26,268 I was in the army for about six months... 325 00:20:26,351 --> 00:20:28,395 discharged. 326 00:20:28,478 --> 00:20:32,649 In 1944, I met Jack Kerouac... 327 00:20:32,733 --> 00:20:35,944 Joan Vollmer, Allen Ginsberg... 328 00:20:36,028 --> 00:20:38,864 and also, um, Herbert Huncke... 329 00:20:38,947 --> 00:20:43,577 and some of the characters that later appear in Junkie. 330 00:20:43,660 --> 00:20:49,082 [ Man ] I know Allen and Greg and, uh, and Kerouac... 331 00:20:49,166 --> 00:20:54,129 and they all spoke of him as the sort of daddy... 332 00:20:54,212 --> 00:20:55,714 big daddy. 333 00:20:55,797 --> 00:21:00,093 Bull. Jack called him Bull. 334 00:21:00,677 --> 00:21:06,516 Everything that Jack says is to be taken with, uh, considerable reserve. 335 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,852 He was always writing fiction... 336 00:21:09,353 --> 00:21:12,564 and, uh, he liked to think of me as a teacher. 337 00:21:12,648 --> 00:21:15,317 He pushed these categories onto people. 338 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:19,613 Now you're going to be a teacher, and you're going to be whatever. 339 00:21:19,696 --> 00:21:24,493 So I don't think they're to be taken, um, too seriously, but I — 340 00:21:24,576 --> 00:21:26,662 Well, I turned him on to some books... 341 00:21:26,745 --> 00:21:30,791 Spengler and on to Céline. 342 00:21:30,874 --> 00:21:33,752 You know what line of yours Kerouac liked the best? 343 00:21:33,835 --> 00:21:35,462 What? 344 00:21:35,545 --> 00:21:37,005 "Motel, motel, motel. 345 00:21:37,089 --> 00:21:42,135 Loneliness moans across the still, oily tidal waters of an East Texas bayou." 346 00:21:42,219 --> 00:21:44,471 - You remember? Is there — Do you know that? - Yes, yes. 347 00:21:44,554 --> 00:21:46,848 He wrote me a letter and then he spoke about it. 348 00:21:46,932 --> 00:21:49,351 He said that that was the first time he dug your prose... 349 00:21:49,434 --> 00:21:51,812 because of your ear as a musician. 350 00:21:51,895 --> 00:21:54,856 - [ Continues, Indistinct ] - [ Southern ] They were quick to pick up on his work... 351 00:21:54,940 --> 00:21:58,110 because of its unique and... 352 00:21:59,361 --> 00:22:02,572 you know, obviously great qualities. 353 00:22:03,156 --> 00:22:08,161 And so they're in-in, you know, "geniusville." 354 00:22:08,245 --> 00:22:12,666 On 115th Street, in the apartment we shared with Joan and Jack... 355 00:22:12,749 --> 00:22:17,254 do you remember when we played out routines at that time? 356 00:22:17,337 --> 00:22:19,923 Do you remember the characters? 357 00:22:20,007 --> 00:22:22,384 Uh, well, I remember some of them. 358 00:22:22,467 --> 00:22:25,012 You-You played the well-groomed Hungarian. 359 00:22:25,095 --> 00:22:27,848 [ European Accent ] Yes, my dear. I was the well-groomed Hungarian... 360 00:22:27,931 --> 00:22:30,559 and I am still here with you now... 361 00:22:30,642 --> 00:22:32,436 and I have been wanting to know... 362 00:22:32,519 --> 00:22:36,023 do you by any chance have some shade of recollection... 363 00:22:36,106 --> 00:22:40,485 of the, uh, personage that you yourself identified in those days? 364 00:22:40,569 --> 00:22:44,740 Um, I think I was playing sort of a, um... 365 00:22:44,823 --> 00:22:46,658 an Edith Sitwell part. 366 00:22:46,742 --> 00:22:48,201 Mmm, quite right, yes. 367 00:22:48,285 --> 00:22:49,786 I got in drag... 368 00:22:49,870 --> 00:22:54,666 and I looked like some sinister old lesbian. 369 00:22:54,750 --> 00:22:58,086 I do believe you-you also affected the title of a baroness? 370 00:22:58,170 --> 00:22:59,838 Uh, definitely, yes. 371 00:22:59,921 --> 00:23:03,341 And-And do you remember the liaison that we had... 372 00:23:03,425 --> 00:23:07,471 to bring the foolish, rich, young... 373 00:23:07,554 --> 00:23:11,475 ruddy-cheeked American to my art gallery? 374 00:23:11,975 --> 00:23:13,935 Oh, of course, yes. 375 00:23:14,019 --> 00:23:18,857 You know, Americans, they are so full with money, it is a duty. 376 00:23:18,940 --> 00:23:21,693 Yes, it is for the very choice American you brought. 377 00:23:21,777 --> 00:23:24,905 So relieve them of a little bit, huh? 378 00:23:24,988 --> 00:23:27,324 - He had a straw hat. Do you remember this? - Yes, yes. 379 00:23:27,407 --> 00:23:30,452 What was that magic name 30 years ago? 380 00:23:30,535 --> 00:23:33,538 - He was an American named Kerouac. - Yes. 381 00:23:33,622 --> 00:23:36,374 He was a nice boy, very nice boy. 382 00:23:36,458 --> 00:23:38,210 He was a writer, a very good writer. 383 00:23:38,293 --> 00:23:40,587 - A good writer. - Very good writer, very American. 384 00:23:40,670 --> 00:23:44,299 Later he became quite well known, I'm given to understand. 385 00:23:44,382 --> 00:23:46,802 - Very famous. - Very famous. 386 00:23:46,885 --> 00:23:50,138 He wrote some book called On the Route I think. 387 00:23:50,222 --> 00:23:52,682 - [ Ginsberg ] En Route. En Route. - En Route. 388 00:23:53,725 --> 00:23:56,019 Well, I remember the line from Howl... 389 00:23:56,103 --> 00:23:58,939 "I've seen the best minds of my generation... 390 00:24:00,107 --> 00:24:03,193 starved, hysterical, naked" — 391 00:24:03,276 --> 00:24:05,403 [ Normal Voice ] You can't even quote it right. 392 00:24:05,487 --> 00:24:08,532 - "Looking for an angry fix." Okay. - Oh, that, you got that. 393 00:24:09,908 --> 00:24:12,828 Uh, Burroughs fell in love with me and I — 394 00:24:12,911 --> 00:24:17,165 and we slept together and I saw his very soft center... 395 00:24:17,249 --> 00:24:20,961 where he felt isolated and alone in the world... 396 00:24:21,044 --> 00:24:26,925 and really needed a human, humane, uh, gift in return. 397 00:24:27,008 --> 00:24:28,844 A feeling, you know, of affection. 398 00:24:28,927 --> 00:24:32,347 And since I did love him and did have that respect and affection... 399 00:24:32,430 --> 00:24:34,474 I think he responded. 400 00:24:34,558 --> 00:24:37,227 So I kind of felt privileged that I had — 401 00:24:37,310 --> 00:24:39,896 "J'ai seul la clef de cette parade sauvage." 402 00:24:40,397 --> 00:24:43,692 I alone had the key to this savage parade... 403 00:24:43,775 --> 00:24:47,529 which was the key of, uh, tenderness. 404 00:24:48,155 --> 00:24:49,656 Willy — 405 00:24:50,782 --> 00:24:53,326 I've known Willy a long fucking time... 406 00:24:53,410 --> 00:24:55,162 about 40 years. 407 00:24:55,245 --> 00:24:57,831 I was just thinking of, uh, Willy in the old days... 408 00:24:57,914 --> 00:25:01,668 when Willy was a more robust figure... 409 00:25:01,751 --> 00:25:04,504 and used to speak with a thunder in his chest... 410 00:25:04,588 --> 00:25:07,757 as he chased skirts around Saint Louis. 411 00:25:07,841 --> 00:25:09,801 - Yes, yes. - [ Laughing ] 412 00:25:09,885 --> 00:25:14,347 [ Chuckling ] That was — That was many years ago. 413 00:25:14,848 --> 00:25:19,394 Like when we were in the military school, they called me "The Terror." 414 00:25:19,477 --> 00:25:23,398 - [ Laughing ] - Yes, I remember. 415 00:25:23,481 --> 00:25:25,192 [ Laughing ] 416 00:25:25,275 --> 00:25:30,030 Yes, I used to be quite a — quite a woman chaser. 417 00:25:30,113 --> 00:25:33,408 - You were. - Willy the lover. I'm telling you, man. 418 00:25:33,491 --> 00:25:35,660 That was the line that always got 'em. 419 00:25:35,744 --> 00:25:37,621 He tore open his shirt, screaming... 420 00:25:37,704 --> 00:25:40,332 "There's a thunder in my breast!" 421 00:25:40,415 --> 00:25:43,015 - They all fell flat on their backs. - That got 'em. That got 'em. 422 00:25:43,084 --> 00:25:45,629 Every time, every time. 423 00:25:45,712 --> 00:25:47,214 [ Carr ] Yeah, Willy was pretty funny. 424 00:25:47,297 --> 00:25:50,550 Willy — Actually, Willy's a very warm guy... 425 00:25:50,634 --> 00:25:53,678 - once you get through to Willy. - [ Man ] Mm-hmm. 426 00:25:53,762 --> 00:25:56,264 You've surely heard him sing his sentimental songs... 427 00:25:56,348 --> 00:25:58,433 like "Adiós, Muchachos." 428 00:25:59,351 --> 00:26:01,895 ♪ Adiós, muchachas ♪ 429 00:26:01,978 --> 00:26:04,397 ♪ Compañeros ♪♪ 430 00:26:04,481 --> 00:26:07,025 ♪♪ [ Vocalizing ] 431 00:26:08,818 --> 00:26:12,781 His morals are probably Boy Scout morals, true blue, you know? 432 00:26:12,864 --> 00:26:14,366 Yeah. 433 00:26:14,449 --> 00:26:16,868 And the last thing he wants anyone to know is that. 434 00:26:18,203 --> 00:26:20,497 Tell me, Willy, what have you been up to lately? 435 00:26:20,580 --> 00:26:26,670 Oh, well, I've been giving readings in punk rock clubs. 436 00:26:26,753 --> 00:26:28,255 Twenty-one readings. 437 00:26:28,338 --> 00:26:30,757 - That's the proper side of your life. - Yes. 438 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,676 Now tell me about the other side. 439 00:26:32,759 --> 00:26:35,929 There isn't very much other side, Lucien. 440 00:26:36,012 --> 00:26:39,641 Now, Willy, I know you're doing disreputable things. 441 00:26:39,724 --> 00:26:42,102 - No. - [ Gunshots In Distance ] 442 00:26:42,185 --> 00:26:44,938 Just going to my methadone clinic can hardly be called disreputable. 443 00:26:45,021 --> 00:26:46,856 [ Laughing ] 444 00:26:47,565 --> 00:26:50,026 No, that's highly constructive, I must say. 445 00:26:50,110 --> 00:26:51,611 [ Murmurs ] 446 00:26:52,362 --> 00:26:56,992 Sort of a buxom Irish maid, as I remember, said that she had heard... 447 00:26:57,075 --> 00:27:02,789 that opium gives people pleasant, beautiful dreams. 448 00:27:02,872 --> 00:27:05,917 And since I was much plagued by nightmares as a child... 449 00:27:06,001 --> 00:27:12,841 in fact it was, uh, one of the real influences in my childhood... 450 00:27:12,924 --> 00:27:15,552 the fear of nightmares. 451 00:27:15,635 --> 00:27:18,054 And, uh, so she said that opium — 452 00:27:18,138 --> 00:27:21,474 When she said that opium gave you sweet dreams... 453 00:27:21,558 --> 00:27:24,769 I thought, "Well, that's for me. I'm gonna get some of that." 454 00:27:26,896 --> 00:27:28,398 [ Burroughs ] The boy looked up... 455 00:27:28,481 --> 00:27:31,818 into the sailor's dead, cold, undersea eyes. 456 00:27:31,901 --> 00:27:33,486 The sailor leaned forward... 457 00:27:33,570 --> 00:27:36,072 and put a finger on the boy's inner arm. 458 00:27:36,156 --> 00:27:40,076 He spoke in a dead, junkie whisper. 459 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:45,915 "With veins like that, kid, I'd have myself a time." 460 00:27:48,209 --> 00:27:50,378 Phil White, uh... 461 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,174 - the character sailor in The Naked Lunch — - Right. 462 00:27:54,257 --> 00:27:57,802 uh, and myself... 463 00:27:59,220 --> 00:28:02,515 got him started, in a manner of speaking, on morphine. 464 00:28:03,308 --> 00:28:05,393 Well, there was a knock on the door... 465 00:28:05,477 --> 00:28:10,690 and I opened it and there stood Bob... 466 00:28:10,774 --> 00:28:16,112 with this very sedate looking gentleman... 467 00:28:16,196 --> 00:28:18,740 who turned out to be Bill Burroughs. 468 00:28:18,823 --> 00:28:22,786 He was wearing a snap-brim fedora hat... 469 00:28:24,287 --> 00:28:26,498 gray gloves... 470 00:28:26,581 --> 00:28:30,251 one of which he was carrying in his hand... 471 00:28:30,335 --> 00:28:32,837 and he was sort of standing there... 472 00:28:32,921 --> 00:28:35,882 looking down his nose as only Bill can... 473 00:28:35,965 --> 00:28:39,386 you know, just sort of peering into the room... 474 00:28:39,469 --> 00:28:42,597 taking everything in, you know, the site. 475 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,725 As soon as I could, I called Bob in the other room... 476 00:28:45,809 --> 00:28:48,728 and I said, "Hey, man, what is this dude out here?" 477 00:28:48,812 --> 00:28:52,565 I said, "Man, you brought heat here. You'd better get him out." 478 00:28:52,649 --> 00:28:55,360 He says, "Oh, he's fine. He's good people. 479 00:28:55,443 --> 00:28:58,822 Just don't worry about it. He's a nice guy." 480 00:29:00,281 --> 00:29:02,521 [ Man ] Where'd you get money from when you were scoring? 481 00:29:02,575 --> 00:29:04,285 [ Chuckling ] 482 00:29:04,369 --> 00:29:07,705 Uh, well, stealing. 483 00:29:08,540 --> 00:29:11,918 They were bringing in stuff from stolen cars and — 484 00:29:12,001 --> 00:29:13,920 [ Chuckles ] 485 00:29:14,003 --> 00:29:19,050 Fritz, the old, uh, elevator man, said... 486 00:29:19,134 --> 00:29:20,969 "Tell Mr. Huncke all right... 487 00:29:21,052 --> 00:29:23,346 bring the stuff that you steal from cars... 488 00:29:23,430 --> 00:29:26,683 but do not leave the car in front of the place." 489 00:29:27,350 --> 00:29:31,563 Huncke got — stole a script — prescription pad... 490 00:29:31,646 --> 00:29:34,107 from an old doctor in Brooklyn... 491 00:29:34,190 --> 00:29:38,945 and Bill wrote up some phony scripts signed by the doctor... 492 00:29:39,028 --> 00:29:41,865 which he cashed right around Columbia. 493 00:29:41,948 --> 00:29:44,659 I got busted. Bill got busted. 494 00:29:44,742 --> 00:29:47,871 And then I think his family sent up money to get him out... 495 00:29:47,954 --> 00:29:50,832 or his father came, or maybe his brother came. 496 00:29:50,915 --> 00:29:52,917 We were all very upset and very desolate... 497 00:29:53,001 --> 00:29:56,921 because this was the first ring of iron I'd heard around the — 498 00:29:57,005 --> 00:29:59,299 in our small circle there. 499 00:29:59,382 --> 00:30:04,179 He's probably the only guy I know... 500 00:30:04,262 --> 00:30:08,266 who was really just full-out junkie... 501 00:30:08,349 --> 00:30:10,685 who managed to come back to — 502 00:30:12,270 --> 00:30:17,609 you know, and, uh, kick it and so on. 503 00:30:18,735 --> 00:30:20,195 Very rare. 504 00:30:20,278 --> 00:30:23,198 I started out to be a doctor. 505 00:30:23,281 --> 00:30:26,409 Studied for almost a year in Vienna. 506 00:30:26,493 --> 00:30:28,161 That-That was one — 507 00:30:28,244 --> 00:30:32,373 That would be one of my alternative professions... 508 00:30:32,457 --> 00:30:34,542 if I hadn't have been a writer. 509 00:30:34,626 --> 00:30:39,172 The other career that I missed out on was espionage. 510 00:30:39,255 --> 00:30:45,178 I was almost accepted by, um, Colonel Bill Donovan... 511 00:30:45,261 --> 00:30:49,015 and then I ran into somebody that really hates me... 512 00:30:49,098 --> 00:30:51,309 or hated me at that time... 513 00:30:51,392 --> 00:30:55,355 my housemaster at Harvard, a guy named Baxter... 514 00:30:55,438 --> 00:30:57,941 and he put the skids to me. 515 00:30:59,108 --> 00:31:01,736 So, I might've been — 516 00:31:01,819 --> 00:31:05,448 might've been head of the CIA. [ Clears Throat ] 517 00:31:08,451 --> 00:31:11,371 [ Burroughs ] Let me explain how we make an arrest. 518 00:31:11,454 --> 00:31:14,791 Nova criminals are not three-dimensional organisms... 519 00:31:14,874 --> 00:31:18,962 but they need three-dimensional human agents to operate. 520 00:31:19,045 --> 00:31:21,965 Now a single controller can operate... 521 00:31:22,048 --> 00:31:24,592 through thousands of human agents... 522 00:31:24,676 --> 00:31:28,429 but he must have a line of coordinate points. 523 00:31:28,513 --> 00:31:30,640 ♪♪ [ Swing ] 524 00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:36,563 Some move on junk lines through addicts of the earth. 525 00:31:36,646 --> 00:31:41,401 Others move on lines of certain, uh, sexual practices. 526 00:31:42,652 --> 00:31:46,573 It is only when we can block a controller out of all coordinate points... 527 00:31:46,656 --> 00:31:50,118 and flush him out that we can make an arrest. 528 00:31:52,829 --> 00:31:56,583 Fade out to a shabby hotel near Earls Court in London. 529 00:31:56,666 --> 00:31:59,419 One of our agents is posing as a writer. 530 00:31:59,502 --> 00:32:03,214 He has written a so-called pornographic novel called Naked Lunch... 531 00:32:03,298 --> 00:32:07,135 in which the orgasm death gimmick is described. 532 00:32:07,218 --> 00:32:09,053 [ No Audible Dialogue ] 533 00:32:09,971 --> 00:32:15,143 That was the bait, and they walked right in. 534 00:32:15,226 --> 00:32:17,979 "The lavatory had been locked for three hours solid. 535 00:32:18,062 --> 00:32:20,440 I think they're using it for an operating room. 536 00:32:20,523 --> 00:32:22,525 'Nurse!'" 537 00:32:22,609 --> 00:32:24,944 I can't find his pulse, Doctor. 538 00:32:25,028 --> 00:32:26,988 [ Burroughs Reading ] "Doctor Benway." 539 00:32:29,532 --> 00:32:32,660 - Cardiac arrest, goddamn it! - Adrenaline, Doctor? 540 00:32:32,744 --> 00:32:35,163 No, the night porter shot it all up for kicks. 541 00:32:35,246 --> 00:32:37,665 "Picks up one of those vacuum cups... 542 00:32:37,749 --> 00:32:40,960 at the end of a stick they use to unstop toilets. 543 00:32:41,044 --> 00:32:43,046 He advances on the patient." 544 00:32:43,129 --> 00:32:45,965 Make an incision, Doctor Limpf. 545 00:32:46,716 --> 00:32:48,509 I'm gonna massage the heart. 546 00:32:48,593 --> 00:32:51,721 [ Burroughs Reading ] "Dr. Limpf shrugs and begins the incision. 547 00:32:51,804 --> 00:32:54,307 Doctor Benway washes the suction cup... 548 00:32:54,390 --> 00:32:56,976 by swishing it around the toilet bowl." 549 00:32:57,060 --> 00:32:59,145 Shouldn't that be sterilized, Doctor? 550 00:32:59,228 --> 00:33:02,565 Very likely, but there's no time. 551 00:33:02,649 --> 00:33:05,652 [ Burroughs Reading ] "Watching his assistant make the incision... 552 00:33:05,735 --> 00:33:08,988 he sits on the suction cup like a cane seat." 553 00:33:09,072 --> 00:33:12,367 You young squirts couldn't lance a pimple... 554 00:33:12,450 --> 00:33:15,495 without an electric vibrating scalpel... 555 00:33:15,578 --> 00:33:18,247 with automatic drain and suture. 556 00:33:18,915 --> 00:33:21,834 All the skill is going out of surgery... 557 00:33:21,918 --> 00:33:24,253 all the know-how and make-do. 558 00:33:25,088 --> 00:33:28,299 "'Did I ever tell you about the time I performed an appendectomy... 559 00:33:28,383 --> 00:33:31,052 with a rusty sardine can?'" 560 00:33:32,220 --> 00:33:36,474 And once I was caught short without instrument one... 561 00:33:36,557 --> 00:33:41,145 and removed an uterine tumor with my teeth. 562 00:33:41,938 --> 00:33:45,358 Mmm. That was in the Upper Effendi... 563 00:33:45,441 --> 00:33:49,904 and besides, the wench is dead. 564 00:33:49,987 --> 00:33:51,864 The incision is ready, Doctor. 565 00:33:51,948 --> 00:33:55,159 [ Burroughs Reading ] "Dr. Benway forces the cup into the incision... 566 00:33:55,243 --> 00:33:57,537 and works it up and down. 567 00:33:57,620 --> 00:34:02,375 Blood spurts all over the doctors, the nurses and the wall... 568 00:34:02,458 --> 00:34:05,753 and the cup makes a horrible sucking sound." 569 00:34:05,837 --> 00:34:07,714 I think he's gone, Doctor. 570 00:34:07,797 --> 00:34:10,049 Well, it's all in a day's work. 571 00:34:14,178 --> 00:34:17,432 [ Burroughs Reading ] "He walks across the room to a medicine cabinet." 572 00:34:22,895 --> 00:34:27,108 Some fucking drug addict has cut my cocaine with Sani-Flush. 573 00:34:34,532 --> 00:34:39,912 "'Nurse, send the boy out to fill this Rx on the double.'" 574 00:34:40,830 --> 00:34:44,834 - Thank you. - [ Applauding, Cheering ] 575 00:34:50,173 --> 00:34:52,258 We thought you went into exterminating. 576 00:34:52,341 --> 00:34:54,761 Weren't you doing that also in Chicago? Yeah. 577 00:34:54,844 --> 00:34:56,721 Yep. 578 00:34:56,804 --> 00:34:59,182 I was known as the exterminator. 579 00:35:00,725 --> 00:35:02,226 [ Ginsberg ] By whom? 580 00:35:03,352 --> 00:35:05,646 - Housewives. - [ Ginsberg, Carr Chuckling ] 581 00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:09,692 Housewives and cockroaches. 582 00:35:10,193 --> 00:35:13,196 Exterminator. You got any bugs, lady? 583 00:35:16,032 --> 00:35:18,618 - Oh, you're gonna leave? - Have a good supper, Willy. 584 00:35:18,701 --> 00:35:20,661 Pass our regards around. 585 00:35:20,745 --> 00:35:22,246 With Herbert Huncke? 586 00:35:22,330 --> 00:35:24,874 - Good night. - Good night, Willy. 587 00:35:24,957 --> 00:35:26,959 [ Ginsberg ] Have a nice supper. 588 00:35:28,169 --> 00:35:30,880 [ Huncke ] Bill had moved in with Joan Adams... 589 00:35:30,963 --> 00:35:36,969 in her apartment up on 115th Street and — 590 00:35:37,053 --> 00:35:38,805 Right next to the university. 591 00:35:38,930 --> 00:35:42,475 [ Ginsberg ] Jack and I decided that Joan and Bill would make a great couple... 592 00:35:42,558 --> 00:35:46,145 that they were a match for each other, fit for each other... 593 00:35:46,229 --> 00:35:48,815 equally attuned and equally witty and equally intelligent... 594 00:35:48,898 --> 00:35:52,026 equally well read, equally refined of mind. 595 00:35:52,109 --> 00:35:56,072 She was a very, very learned, very bright... 596 00:35:56,155 --> 00:35:58,032 very beautiful woman. 597 00:35:59,408 --> 00:36:01,911 - [ Man ] So she and Bill — - And she adored Bill. 598 00:36:01,994 --> 00:36:07,500 Well, we had all these very, really, in retrospect... 599 00:36:07,583 --> 00:36:11,087 very deep conversations... 600 00:36:11,629 --> 00:36:13,589 about very fundamental things. 601 00:36:13,673 --> 00:36:17,343 I say, her intuition was absolutely amazing. 602 00:36:17,426 --> 00:36:20,972 He would lie around on the long couch talking. 603 00:36:21,055 --> 00:36:22,932 She sometimes would lie down next to him... 604 00:36:23,015 --> 00:36:26,853 and put her arm around his, uh, abdomen. 605 00:36:26,936 --> 00:36:29,522 [ Burroughs ] One time she said... 606 00:36:29,605 --> 00:36:33,526 "Well, you're supposed to be a faggot... 607 00:36:33,609 --> 00:36:36,070 but you're as good as a pimp in bed." 608 00:36:36,153 --> 00:36:38,114 [ Men Laugh ] 609 00:36:38,197 --> 00:36:39,907 Those were her very words. 610 00:36:40,575 --> 00:36:43,119 Well, I thought this was nonsense and I still do. 611 00:36:43,786 --> 00:36:47,999 I was, uh, with Lucien on a trip to Mexico... 612 00:36:48,082 --> 00:36:51,752 and we were with Joan until about, uh... 613 00:36:51,836 --> 00:36:54,380 24 or 48 hours before she died. 614 00:36:54,463 --> 00:36:57,884 It had to be the longest drunken driving trip... 615 00:36:57,967 --> 00:37:00,636 that I've ever taken in my life, which — 616 00:37:01,470 --> 00:37:04,348 Joan Burroughs and I were at the wheel... 617 00:37:04,432 --> 00:37:05,975 and Allen, who didn't drive... 618 00:37:06,058 --> 00:37:10,646 and Billy Jr. and Julie were the unwilling passengers. 619 00:37:11,355 --> 00:37:13,649 He was going around these hairpin turns — turns... 620 00:37:13,733 --> 00:37:17,236 and she was urging him on, saying, "How fast can this heap go?" 621 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,488 While me and the kids were cowering in the back. 622 00:37:19,572 --> 00:37:22,325 Joan and I were drinking and driving so heavily... 623 00:37:22,408 --> 00:37:25,077 that at one point we could only make the car go... 624 00:37:25,161 --> 00:37:28,414 if I lay on the floor and pushed on the gas pedal... 625 00:37:29,165 --> 00:37:33,502 while she used her one good leg to work the brake and the clutch. 626 00:37:34,629 --> 00:37:39,175 It was a pretty hairy trip, but Joan and I thought it was great fun. 627 00:37:40,176 --> 00:37:43,179 Allen, I don't think, did, and surely the kids didn't. 628 00:37:44,764 --> 00:37:49,018 "Dream record, June 8, 1955. 629 00:37:49,810 --> 00:37:53,814 A drunken night in my house with a boy. San Francisco. 630 00:37:53,898 --> 00:37:56,567 I lay asleep. Darkness. 631 00:37:57,109 --> 00:37:58,736 I went back to Mexico City... 632 00:37:58,819 --> 00:38:02,657 and saw Joan Burroughs leaning forward in a garden chair... 633 00:38:02,740 --> 00:38:04,784 arms on her knees. 634 00:38:04,867 --> 00:38:09,163 She studied me with clear eyes and downcast smile. 635 00:38:09,664 --> 00:38:14,585 Her face restored to a fine beauty tequila and salt had made strange... 636 00:38:14,669 --> 00:38:16,754 before the bullet in her brow. 637 00:38:17,838 --> 00:38:19,799 We talked of a life since then. 638 00:38:19,882 --> 00:38:22,301 'Well, what's Burroughs doing now?' 639 00:38:22,385 --> 00:38:25,096 'Still on earth. He's in North Africa.' 640 00:38:25,179 --> 00:38:26,639 'Oh? And Kerouac?' 641 00:38:26,722 --> 00:38:30,226 'Jack still jumps with the same beat genius as before. 642 00:38:30,309 --> 00:38:31,894 Notebooks filled with Buddha.' 643 00:38:31,978 --> 00:38:34,230 'I hope he makes it,' she laughed. 644 00:38:34,313 --> 00:38:36,232 'Is Huncke still in the can?' 645 00:38:36,315 --> 00:38:38,818 'No, last time I saw him on Times Square.' 646 00:38:38,901 --> 00:38:40,403 'And how is Lucien?' 647 00:38:40,486 --> 00:38:42,863 'Married, drunk and golden in the East.' 648 00:38:42,947 --> 00:38:45,825 'You?' 'New love is in the West.' 649 00:38:45,908 --> 00:38:49,912 Then I knew she was a dream and questioned her. 650 00:38:49,996 --> 00:38:53,666 'Joan, what kind of knowledge have the dead?'" 651 00:38:56,335 --> 00:38:59,380 Joan was, uh, not making it with Bill... 652 00:38:59,463 --> 00:39:01,757 and was a little irritated with him. 653 00:39:02,258 --> 00:39:06,429 Bill had been off with a young friend. 654 00:39:06,929 --> 00:39:10,975 Um, I had talked to her the day before. 655 00:39:11,058 --> 00:39:13,519 Julie, her daughter, was actually quite cute... 656 00:39:13,602 --> 00:39:15,396 and was flirtatious. 657 00:39:15,479 --> 00:39:18,691 And I said, "She's gonna give you some competition." 658 00:39:19,358 --> 00:39:21,694 And Joan said, "Oh, I'm out of the competition." 659 00:39:21,777 --> 00:39:23,571 So she'd sort of given up on love life. 660 00:39:23,654 --> 00:39:26,365 [ Burroughs ] We were down in Mexico... 661 00:39:26,449 --> 00:39:30,369 when she began, uh, drinking quite heavily. 662 00:39:30,453 --> 00:39:34,040 She'd put away a quart of tequila a day. 663 00:39:34,123 --> 00:39:37,501 Just sort of slugging it down all day, you know? 664 00:39:37,585 --> 00:39:41,714 Never showed the least sign of, uh, being drunk. 665 00:39:41,797 --> 00:39:43,632 My impression, when we left... 666 00:39:43,716 --> 00:39:46,761 was that there was something scary about her, suicidal. 667 00:39:46,844 --> 00:39:50,014 That day I knew something awful was going to happen. 668 00:39:50,097 --> 00:39:51,777 I remember I was walking down the street... 669 00:39:51,807 --> 00:39:54,727 and tears started just streaming down my face. 670 00:39:54,810 --> 00:39:57,605 Well, if that happens to you, watch out, baby. 671 00:39:57,688 --> 00:40:02,443 You see, I've always felt myself to be controlled at some times... 672 00:40:02,526 --> 00:40:05,237 by this completely malevolent force... 673 00:40:05,321 --> 00:40:08,616 which Brion described as the "ugly spirit." 674 00:40:09,241 --> 00:40:12,912 But my walking down the street... 675 00:40:12,995 --> 00:40:15,164 and tears streaming down my face... 676 00:40:15,247 --> 00:40:18,751 meant that I knew that the ugly spirit... 677 00:40:18,834 --> 00:40:22,421 which is always the worst part of everyone's character... 678 00:40:22,505 --> 00:40:26,008 would take over and that something awful would happen. 679 00:40:27,093 --> 00:40:30,429 I took a knife that I had bought in Ecuador... 680 00:40:30,513 --> 00:40:34,642 uh, and left it with a knife sharpener to be sharpened. 681 00:40:35,434 --> 00:40:39,772 I went back to the apartment... 682 00:40:39,855 --> 00:40:41,941 where we were all meeting... 683 00:40:42,024 --> 00:40:46,112 and with this terrible sense of depression. 684 00:40:46,195 --> 00:40:49,907 And foolishly, of course, in order to alleviate the depression... 685 00:40:49,990 --> 00:40:52,827 I started tossing down the drinks. 686 00:40:52,910 --> 00:40:56,205 Then I said to Joan, "It's about time for our William Tell act." 687 00:40:57,331 --> 00:40:59,792 And she put a glass on her head... 688 00:40:59,875 --> 00:41:05,881 and I had this piece of, uh,.380 junk. 689 00:41:05,965 --> 00:41:09,635 Just as she had said to Lucien, "How fast can this heap go?"... 690 00:41:10,219 --> 00:41:13,305 I think she said to Bill, "Well, shoot that off my head." 691 00:41:13,389 --> 00:41:15,474 I fired the shot. 692 00:41:15,558 --> 00:41:18,435 The glass hadn't been touched. 693 00:41:18,519 --> 00:41:22,481 Joan started sliding down towards the floor. 694 00:41:22,565 --> 00:41:25,067 Then Marcus said — 695 00:41:25,151 --> 00:41:28,571 walked over and took one look at her. 696 00:41:28,654 --> 00:41:32,074 He said, "Bill, your bullet has hit her forehead." 697 00:41:34,660 --> 00:41:36,162 I said, "Oh, my God." 698 00:41:36,245 --> 00:41:41,041 I always thought that she had kind of challenged him into it and led him into it... 699 00:41:41,125 --> 00:41:44,044 that it was sort of like using him to — 700 00:41:44,128 --> 00:41:46,922 that she was, in a sense, using him to... 701 00:41:48,340 --> 00:41:51,552 get her off the earth, 'cause I think she was in a great deal of pain. 702 00:41:51,635 --> 00:41:54,096 [ Burroughs ] The ambulance came. The police came. 703 00:41:54,763 --> 00:41:59,101 I went down to police headquarters with them. 704 00:41:59,185 --> 00:42:02,730 I hadn't been there five minutes when my lawyer walks in. 705 00:42:02,813 --> 00:42:06,192 He said, "Don't say anything, Bill. Don't say anything. 706 00:42:06,275 --> 00:42:09,361 Um, this is a shooting accident." 707 00:42:09,445 --> 00:42:11,780 [ Man ] Had you done the William Tell thing before? 708 00:42:11,864 --> 00:42:13,574 Never. 709 00:42:13,657 --> 00:42:16,035 Never. Never. 710 00:42:16,118 --> 00:42:19,038 Just an absolute piece of insanity. 711 00:42:20,873 --> 00:42:24,752 ♪♪ [ Jazz ] 712 00:42:24,835 --> 00:42:29,423 [ Woman ] ♪ I hate to see ♪ 713 00:42:29,506 --> 00:42:33,802 ♪ The evening sun go down ♪ 714 00:42:41,143 --> 00:42:44,897 ♪ I hate to see ♪ 715 00:42:44,980 --> 00:42:49,902 ♪ The evening sun go down ♪ 716 00:42:55,449 --> 00:42:59,536 ♪ It makes me think I'm ♪ 717 00:43:00,287 --> 00:43:05,501 ♪ On my last go-round ♪♪ 718 00:43:09,255 --> 00:43:11,340 ♪♪ [ Ends ] 719 00:43:12,216 --> 00:43:14,218 Years later, I think it was, Bill — 720 00:43:14,301 --> 00:43:15,928 I've heard a few different things from Bill. 721 00:43:16,011 --> 00:43:18,389 He says that he wept a great deal. 722 00:43:18,472 --> 00:43:22,434 He also said that, uh... 723 00:43:22,518 --> 00:43:26,105 one time, many years ago, he was puzzled... 724 00:43:26,188 --> 00:43:30,526 by what got into him that he would actually pick up on it. 725 00:43:30,609 --> 00:43:36,824 My whole life has been a resistance to the ugly spirit. 726 00:43:36,907 --> 00:43:38,409 [ Clears Throat ] 727 00:43:39,660 --> 00:43:41,120 Oh, absolutely. 728 00:43:41,203 --> 00:43:45,207 I've felt it, lived with it day and night. 729 00:43:46,417 --> 00:43:50,296 [ Ginsberg ] Well, it gave Bill, certainly, a taste of mortality. 730 00:43:50,379 --> 00:43:51,964 It opened him up quite a bit. 731 00:43:52,047 --> 00:43:54,216 It was then that he began writing. 732 00:43:55,134 --> 00:43:57,803 It was then that Bill got very serious... 733 00:43:57,886 --> 00:44:00,514 and began casting about for something to do... 734 00:44:00,597 --> 00:44:05,394 to connect to himself, to the reality around him. 735 00:44:05,477 --> 00:44:07,771 Uh, I think it grounded him a bit... 736 00:44:07,855 --> 00:44:09,815 'cause it's from then on, as I remember... 737 00:44:09,898 --> 00:44:11,483 that he begins writing Junkie. 738 00:44:11,567 --> 00:44:15,154 [ Man ] Growing up, you know, my grandparents raised me... 739 00:44:15,237 --> 00:44:17,865 because after that tragic accident, you know... 740 00:44:17,948 --> 00:44:20,576 when I was much younger, with my mother and everything... 741 00:44:20,659 --> 00:44:23,495 Bill went and started traveling around the world and stuff... 742 00:44:24,413 --> 00:44:27,666 but we kept in sort of psychic communication... 743 00:44:27,750 --> 00:44:30,753 one way or another, most of my life. 744 00:44:30,836 --> 00:44:32,338 Just as I reached puberty... 745 00:44:32,421 --> 00:44:35,382 he started sending me copies of Rimbaud to read... 746 00:44:35,466 --> 00:44:37,259 and stuff like that. 747 00:44:37,343 --> 00:44:39,345 Every so often, um... 748 00:44:39,428 --> 00:44:42,181 things like a plaster cast of a shrunken head from the Amazon... 749 00:44:42,264 --> 00:44:45,392 would appear in the mail and things like that. 750 00:44:45,476 --> 00:44:50,147 Beautiful Amazonian butterflies in little glass cases... 751 00:44:50,230 --> 00:44:51,899 and-and things like that. 752 00:44:51,982 --> 00:44:56,028 You know, I'd keep in touch with physical objects that he would send me. 753 00:44:56,820 --> 00:45:01,492 I started to write in Mexico in 1948... 754 00:45:01,575 --> 00:45:05,704 and that's where my first novel, Junkie, was written... 755 00:45:05,788 --> 00:45:09,249 and published in 1953... 756 00:45:09,333 --> 00:45:14,088 owing to the good offices of Allen Ginsberg and Carl Solomon. 757 00:45:14,171 --> 00:45:16,173 [ Ginsberg ] I remember when I took... 758 00:45:16,256 --> 00:45:18,926 the first manuscript of Junkie to one of the publishers. 759 00:45:19,009 --> 00:45:21,220 He said, "Well, if this were written by Winston Churchill... 760 00:45:21,303 --> 00:45:22,763 it would be interesting... 761 00:45:22,846 --> 00:45:25,849 but as it is not written by anybody in particular... 762 00:45:25,933 --> 00:45:28,894 it isn't such good prose, forget it." 763 00:45:28,977 --> 00:45:30,938 [ Burroughs ] This is from Junkie. 764 00:45:31,021 --> 00:45:33,649 "I've just arrived at this tenement apartment. 765 00:45:34,274 --> 00:45:35,734 After Joey went out... 766 00:45:35,818 --> 00:45:39,071 I noticed another man who was standing there looking at me. 767 00:45:39,154 --> 00:45:41,365 Waves of hostility and suspicion... 768 00:45:41,448 --> 00:45:43,992 flowed out from his huge brown eyes... 769 00:45:44,076 --> 00:45:46,954 like some sort of television broadcast. 770 00:45:47,037 --> 00:45:51,166 The effect was almost like a physical impact. 771 00:45:51,250 --> 00:45:53,585 The man was small and very thin... 772 00:45:53,669 --> 00:45:57,256 his neck loose in the collar of his shirt. 773 00:45:57,339 --> 00:46:01,468 His complexion faded from brown to a mottled yellow... 774 00:46:01,552 --> 00:46:04,763 and pancake makeup had been heavily applied... 775 00:46:04,847 --> 00:46:09,017 in an attempt to conceal a skin eruption." 776 00:46:10,644 --> 00:46:14,606 And what was my reaction to Bill... 777 00:46:14,690 --> 00:46:19,111 and Bill's comments about me in Junkie? 778 00:46:19,194 --> 00:46:23,866 I rather resented having a scrawny neck. [ Laughs ] 779 00:46:23,949 --> 00:46:27,911 But other than that, I — I — 780 00:46:27,995 --> 00:46:32,291 you know, I was pleased that he'd even considered me... 781 00:46:32,374 --> 00:46:36,462 worth commenting about, in a matter of speaking. 782 00:46:36,545 --> 00:46:39,047 It doesn't say "scrawny neck" in here at all. 783 00:46:39,131 --> 00:46:43,093 I simply said that his neck was loose in the collar of his shirt... 784 00:46:43,177 --> 00:46:46,221 which isn't at all the same thing. 785 00:46:46,305 --> 00:46:48,140 I don't find that a bit offensive. 786 00:46:48,223 --> 00:46:50,309 Look at this cover. 787 00:46:50,392 --> 00:46:52,561 [ Laughs ] 788 00:47:09,536 --> 00:47:13,540 [ No Audible Dialogue ] 789 00:47:40,025 --> 00:47:42,361 [ Man ] In January of 1953... 790 00:47:42,444 --> 00:47:44,613 in the days that I remember him first in Tangier... 791 00:47:44,696 --> 00:47:47,533 he was full of the most extraordinary energy. 792 00:47:47,616 --> 00:47:49,409 He could punch a typewriter... 793 00:47:49,493 --> 00:47:51,620 or he could punch a tape recorder to death... 794 00:47:51,703 --> 00:47:54,039 in shorter time than any man I've ever known. 795 00:47:54,122 --> 00:47:56,208 He had such enormous energy in those days... 796 00:47:56,291 --> 00:47:59,711 and such enormous intention behind what he was doing. 797 00:47:59,795 --> 00:48:03,048 He lived in a very comfortable hotel... 798 00:48:03,131 --> 00:48:06,760 where he practiced pistol shooting and typewriting... 799 00:48:06,843 --> 00:48:09,346 and was extraordinarily amusing. 800 00:48:09,429 --> 00:48:13,934 The stories that he told, and his wit, and his invention... 801 00:48:14,476 --> 00:48:17,396 which he was just turning into literature at that time... 802 00:48:17,479 --> 00:48:20,649 because, as he said himself, he began to write very late in life. 803 00:48:24,319 --> 00:48:26,863 And during the years in Tangier... 804 00:48:26,947 --> 00:48:31,410 he had written a very, very great deal in a rather short time. 805 00:48:31,493 --> 00:48:34,538 [ Clears Throat ] I wrote very intensively... 806 00:48:34,621 --> 00:48:39,501 for about two years... 807 00:48:39,585 --> 00:48:46,008 and this material, most of this material, um... 808 00:48:46,091 --> 00:48:48,552 went into Naked Lunch. 809 00:48:48,635 --> 00:48:54,141 That is, Naked Lunch was extracted from this material... 810 00:48:54,224 --> 00:48:58,562 and also all the notes that I had written... 811 00:48:58,645 --> 00:49:02,024 while addicted over a period of eight years. 812 00:49:02,107 --> 00:49:04,901 [ Gysin ] He spent a great deal of his time... 813 00:49:04,985 --> 00:49:08,155 dashing through the streets madly from one pharmacy to another... 814 00:49:08,238 --> 00:49:12,034 getting chemicals that he could use and boil down and inject. 815 00:49:12,117 --> 00:49:14,286 But gradually he began to become... 816 00:49:14,369 --> 00:49:16,455 more and more invisible in the streets... 817 00:49:16,538 --> 00:49:18,624 as the winter wore on... 818 00:49:18,707 --> 00:49:22,002 and all the Spanish kids called him the "hombre invisible." 819 00:49:22,085 --> 00:49:26,423 He went to the cafés that those boys went to and saw a lot of them... 820 00:49:26,506 --> 00:49:28,842 and then became great friends with Kiki... 821 00:49:28,925 --> 00:49:31,595 who would become one of the characters of his writings... 822 00:49:31,678 --> 00:49:33,555 throughout the years, in fact. 823 00:49:33,639 --> 00:49:37,476 For about eight years, in Tangiers... 824 00:49:37,559 --> 00:49:40,646 I was writing sporadically... 825 00:49:40,729 --> 00:49:46,026 and a lot of this material was in the letters to Allen Ginsberg... 826 00:49:46,109 --> 00:49:48,487 which have recently been published. 827 00:49:48,570 --> 00:49:51,448 I was surprised, reading back over that... 828 00:49:51,531 --> 00:49:55,202 how much of Naked Lunch is in those letters. 829 00:49:55,285 --> 00:50:00,374 "Dear Allen, Kiki comes on more affectionate all the time. 830 00:50:00,457 --> 00:50:02,167 A real sweet kid. 831 00:50:02,250 --> 00:50:04,795 He is helping me get my clothes off. 832 00:50:04,878 --> 00:50:10,342 I can just barely make it around the room, my ankle hurts so. 833 00:50:10,425 --> 00:50:13,178 I must see a doctor tomorrow. 834 00:50:13,261 --> 00:50:16,848 What a bum kick to die in this awful place. 835 00:50:17,683 --> 00:50:24,106 This German cat practices something he calls 'technological medicine.' 836 00:50:24,189 --> 00:50:28,485 'You can get by with one kidney. Why have two? 837 00:50:28,568 --> 00:50:30,862 Yes, that is a kidney. 838 00:50:30,946 --> 00:50:35,117 The inside parts should not be so close in together crowded. 839 00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,453 They need lebensraum like their Vaterland.'" 840 00:50:39,705 --> 00:50:41,498 "The people ask... 841 00:50:41,581 --> 00:50:45,252 what would lead me to write a book like Naked Lunch? 842 00:50:45,335 --> 00:50:48,213 Well, 'leads' is a good word. 843 00:50:48,296 --> 00:50:54,052 Yes, one is slowly led along to write a book... 844 00:50:54,136 --> 00:50:58,557 and this looked good, no trouble with the cast at all... 845 00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:04,563 and that's half the battle, when you can find your characters. 846 00:51:04,646 --> 00:51:07,023 The more far-out sex pieces... 847 00:51:07,107 --> 00:51:10,110 I was just writing for my own amusement. 848 00:51:10,193 --> 00:51:13,739 I would put them away in an attic trunk... 849 00:51:13,822 --> 00:51:18,410 and leave them for a distant boy to find. 850 00:51:18,493 --> 00:51:21,246 'Why, Ma, this stuff is terrific! 851 00:51:21,329 --> 00:51:25,417 And I thought he was just an old book-of-the-month cornball.'" 852 00:51:30,297 --> 00:51:33,216 [ Man ] William Burroughs, when you were in London... 853 00:51:33,300 --> 00:51:36,344 you'd already broken onto the scene, of course, with Naked Lunch — 854 00:51:36,428 --> 00:51:39,723 Nova Express was out in '64, wasn't it? 855 00:51:39,806 --> 00:51:41,975 But what were you writing then? 856 00:51:42,058 --> 00:51:46,438 [ Burroughs ] Well, let's see. I wrote The Job when I was in Duke Street. 857 00:51:46,521 --> 00:51:53,111 I also wrote Wild Boys, partly there and partly in Marrakech. 858 00:51:53,195 --> 00:51:55,781 - That's absolutely your table, isn't it? - Yes, it is. 859 00:51:55,864 --> 00:51:59,284 - The one thing that was part of the — - Mm-hmm. 860 00:51:59,367 --> 00:52:01,703 - Part of the — Part of the work. - Yes, right here. 861 00:52:01,787 --> 00:52:06,291 I also wrote, um, Exterminator!... 862 00:52:06,374 --> 00:52:08,877 and Port of Saints... 863 00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,160 - and The Last Words of Dutch Schultz. - [ Man ] Oh, yes. 864 00:52:11,213 --> 00:52:14,800 - So I was quite, uh — quite prolific. - Pretty prolific. 865 00:52:18,261 --> 00:52:20,847 [ Gysin ] I think he was here in London, as a matter of fact... 866 00:52:20,931 --> 00:52:22,849 when I came across the, uh... 867 00:52:22,933 --> 00:52:26,186 to me, happy accident of the cut-ups. 868 00:52:26,269 --> 00:52:28,897 [ Burroughs ] There are many ways in which cut-ups can be done. 869 00:52:28,980 --> 00:52:32,067 One very simple way that I've used frequently... 870 00:52:32,150 --> 00:52:36,488 is just take a page, cut it down the middle and across the page... 871 00:52:36,571 --> 00:52:38,490 so you now have four sections... 872 00:52:38,573 --> 00:52:42,661 and you rearrange the sections in a different order. 873 00:52:42,744 --> 00:52:47,999 And when this happens, of course, you get new word combos. 874 00:52:48,083 --> 00:52:52,587 You also get new words created by the cut-up. 875 00:52:59,886 --> 00:53:04,182 [ Gysin ] It occurred because I had a number of sheets of newspaper... 876 00:53:04,266 --> 00:53:07,519 some British newspapers, an American newspaper published in Paris... 877 00:53:07,602 --> 00:53:11,565 and some other things that happened to be lying on my desk... 878 00:53:11,648 --> 00:53:15,443 when I took a Stanley blade and cut through them. 879 00:53:15,527 --> 00:53:19,781 And these little bits and pieces looked so amusing to me... 880 00:53:19,865 --> 00:53:23,702 that I started jiggling them around as one would in a collage. 881 00:53:23,785 --> 00:53:27,539 This was simply, of course, applying the montage method... 882 00:53:27,622 --> 00:53:32,836 which was really rather old-hat in painting at that time, to writing. 883 00:53:32,919 --> 00:53:36,214 As Brion said, writing is 50 years behind painting. 884 00:53:38,049 --> 00:53:40,677 [ Burroughs's Voice ] "Listen to my last words anywhere. 885 00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,555 Listen all you boards, governments... 886 00:53:43,638 --> 00:53:46,516 syndicates, nations of the world. 887 00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:50,645 And you powers behind what filth deals... 888 00:53:50,729 --> 00:53:53,732 consummated in what lavatory... 889 00:53:53,815 --> 00:53:56,318 to take what is not yours... 890 00:53:56,401 --> 00:53:59,321 to sell out your sons forever... 891 00:53:59,863 --> 00:54:04,242 to sell the ground from unborn feet forever. 892 00:54:09,122 --> 00:54:13,418 I bear no sick words, junk words... 893 00:54:13,501 --> 00:54:18,381 love words, forgive words from Jesus. 894 00:54:19,299 --> 00:54:24,471 I have not come to explain or tidy up. 895 00:54:24,554 --> 00:54:28,433 What am I doing over here with the workers, with gooks... 896 00:54:28,516 --> 00:54:34,105 the apes, the dogs, the errand boys, the human animals? 897 00:54:35,148 --> 00:54:40,362 Why don't I come over with the board and drink Coca-Cola or make it? 898 00:54:41,029 --> 00:54:44,783 Explain how the blood and bones and brains... 899 00:54:44,866 --> 00:54:47,494 of 100 million, more or less, gooks... 900 00:54:47,577 --> 00:54:50,997 went down the drain in green piss... 901 00:54:51,081 --> 00:54:56,044 so you on the board could use bodies and minds and souls... 902 00:54:56,127 --> 00:55:03,301 that were not yours, are not yours, and never will be yours. 903 00:55:03,385 --> 00:55:07,222 You have the wrong name and the wrong number... 904 00:55:08,098 --> 00:55:11,476 Mr. Luce Getty Lee Rockefeller. 905 00:55:11,559 --> 00:55:13,603 Don't let them see us. 906 00:55:13,687 --> 00:55:16,648 Don't tell them what we are doing. 907 00:55:16,731 --> 00:55:20,986 Not the cancer deal with the Venusians, not the green deal. 908 00:55:21,069 --> 00:55:22,988 Don't let that out. 909 00:55:23,071 --> 00:55:26,324 Disaster. Unimaginable disaster. 910 00:55:26,408 --> 00:55:30,203 Crab men, tapeworms... 911 00:55:30,286 --> 00:55:33,081 intestinal parasites. 912 00:55:34,457 --> 00:55:38,753 Like Burroughs, that proud American name. 913 00:55:39,921 --> 00:55:43,550 Proud of what exactly? 914 00:55:43,633 --> 00:55:49,597 Would you all like to see exactly what Burroughs has to be proud of? 915 00:55:50,223 --> 00:55:53,435 The Mayan caper, the centipede hype... 916 00:55:53,518 --> 00:55:57,856 the short-time racket, the heavy-metal gimmick. 917 00:55:57,939 --> 00:56:01,234 All right, Mr. Burroughs, who bears my name... 918 00:56:01,317 --> 00:56:06,364 and my words bear it all the way for all to see... 919 00:56:06,448 --> 00:56:09,576 in Times Square, in Piccadilly. 920 00:56:11,453 --> 00:56:15,290 Play it all, play it all, play it all back. 921 00:56:15,373 --> 00:56:19,669 Pay it all, pay it all, pay it all back. 922 00:56:21,463 --> 00:56:23,882 No, no, no. 923 00:56:23,965 --> 00:56:27,719 Premature, premature, premature. 924 00:56:27,802 --> 00:56:32,182 Are these the words of the all-powerful boards... 925 00:56:32,265 --> 00:56:34,350 and syndicates of the earth? 926 00:56:34,434 --> 00:56:38,730 I say to all: These words are not premature. 927 00:56:38,813 --> 00:56:42,567 These words may be too late." 928 00:56:43,568 --> 00:56:49,449 Every particle of this universe contains the whole of the universe. 929 00:56:49,532 --> 00:56:52,368 You in yourself have the whole of the universe. 930 00:56:52,452 --> 00:56:56,873 I cut you up in a certain way, I cut up the universe. 931 00:56:56,956 --> 00:56:58,083 Mm-hmm. 932 00:56:58,166 --> 00:57:02,754 But all of Burroughs seems to be, to me, to be coherent... 933 00:57:02,837 --> 00:57:04,464 once you know his method. 934 00:57:04,547 --> 00:57:09,302 Uh, you know, what Lucien calls charlatanism... 935 00:57:09,385 --> 00:57:11,554 is actually experimental writing. 936 00:57:11,638 --> 00:57:14,140 You can otherwise call Cézanne a charlatan... 937 00:57:14,224 --> 00:57:19,187 for trying to work with hot plains advancing and cool plains receding... 938 00:57:19,270 --> 00:57:21,231 in the optical field of the eyeball. 939 00:57:21,314 --> 00:57:24,067 So Burroughs, in cutting up... 940 00:57:24,150 --> 00:57:27,112 was creating gaps in space, gaps in time also... 941 00:57:27,195 --> 00:57:29,322 as Cézanne, or as meditation does. 942 00:57:29,405 --> 00:57:33,868 If, uh— This is Wittgenstein. 943 00:57:33,952 --> 00:57:36,162 If you have a prerecorded universe... 944 00:57:36,246 --> 00:57:39,499 in which everything is already prerecorded... 945 00:57:39,582 --> 00:57:43,002 the only thing that is not prerecorded... 946 00:57:43,086 --> 00:57:46,381 are the pre-recordings themselves. 947 00:57:46,464 --> 00:57:51,553 So with my cut-ups, I was attempting to tamper with... 948 00:57:51,636 --> 00:57:53,847 the basic pre-recordings. 949 00:57:53,930 --> 00:57:58,101 And I think I have succeeded to some modest extent. 950 00:58:00,979 --> 00:58:04,858 Well, I first met William in his works. 951 00:58:04,941 --> 00:58:06,818 I was 14. I was a boy in Kansas... 952 00:58:06,901 --> 00:58:08,778 living in a small town... 953 00:58:08,862 --> 00:58:12,490 and I thought I was the only person in the world who had ever... 954 00:58:12,574 --> 00:58:15,535 thought about sex with other boys... 955 00:58:15,618 --> 00:58:17,912 or sex with alien boys, for that matter... 956 00:58:17,996 --> 00:58:22,709 or drugs, or mental explorations of this kind. 957 00:58:22,792 --> 00:58:25,670 And then I found this book. 958 00:58:25,753 --> 00:58:28,673 There were these twins in my childhood... 959 00:58:28,756 --> 00:58:30,425 and one of them — I don't remember which one — 960 00:58:30,508 --> 00:58:33,094 gave me the book Naked Lunch. 961 00:58:33,178 --> 00:58:37,682 I was 14 and I read it, and, um, it changed my life. 962 00:58:37,765 --> 00:58:40,351 James came first to see me... 963 00:58:40,435 --> 00:58:42,353 having read Bill, and having read my work... 964 00:58:42,437 --> 00:58:44,355 and I was sort of available and right there. 965 00:58:44,439 --> 00:58:46,399 Bill had just come back to America. 966 00:58:46,482 --> 00:58:51,237 So James had come to offer his services to me as a secretary... 967 00:58:51,321 --> 00:58:53,198 and I was sort of hoping lover... 968 00:58:53,281 --> 00:58:56,618 'cause he was kind of cute and he was 21 and funny. 969 00:58:56,701 --> 00:58:59,913 But Bill had just come back, and I was worried about Bill getting straight. 970 00:59:00,038 --> 00:59:03,291 I said, "You want to be my secretary? First thing to do is go down and see Burroughs." 971 00:59:03,374 --> 00:59:05,335 So I called William. 972 00:59:05,418 --> 00:59:09,881 And he says, "Yeah, I'm at 452 Broadway, the subway." 973 00:59:09,964 --> 00:59:12,383 You know what I mean? And on about the third or fourth visit... 974 00:59:12,467 --> 00:59:14,052 I said, "I need a place to stay." 975 00:59:14,135 --> 00:59:15,970 And he said, "Why don't you move in here?" 976 00:59:16,054 --> 00:59:18,306 They had some sort of love affair also... 977 00:59:18,389 --> 00:59:21,559 'cause James was quite open and dug Bill. 978 00:59:21,643 --> 00:59:23,443 [ Grauerholz ] It was, uh— It was interesting. 979 00:59:23,519 --> 00:59:25,605 It was really kind of my first — 980 00:59:25,688 --> 00:59:28,608 There had been other things, but it was my first experience with a man. 981 00:59:28,691 --> 00:59:30,777 William is sort of, um — 982 00:59:30,860 --> 00:59:33,571 I don't know how long he has been. Maybe always. 983 00:59:33,655 --> 00:59:37,742 He's sort of — I wanna say spaced-out and kind of magical... 984 00:59:37,825 --> 00:59:40,662 at the same time about mail and communications that come in... 985 00:59:40,745 --> 00:59:42,664 which is my specialty, communications... 986 00:59:42,747 --> 00:59:44,249 and the forms of communication. 987 00:59:44,332 --> 00:59:49,212 So, I took over more and more until finally I was handling everything... 988 00:59:49,295 --> 00:59:52,382 except the fact that he lived from day to day... 989 00:59:52,465 --> 00:59:53,925 and the fact that he created. 990 00:59:54,008 --> 00:59:58,388 So I realized that it was like a manager. 991 00:59:58,471 --> 01:00:02,642 And I know, it is true, that he feels that I make the right decisions. 992 01:00:03,393 --> 01:00:04,936 Shall I sign it William? 993 01:00:05,019 --> 01:00:06,604 Mmm, yeah, you know Burt. 994 01:00:06,688 --> 01:00:08,856 Sure do. Huh? 995 01:00:08,940 --> 01:00:12,443 - How would you sign it for Burt? - Well — 996 01:00:12,527 --> 01:00:14,028 Well, that's fine. 997 01:00:14,112 --> 01:00:16,239 Now this I haven't even looked at. 998 01:00:16,322 --> 01:00:19,158 A family picture. Oh, my God. Look at this old photo. 999 01:00:19,242 --> 01:00:21,953 [ Grauerholz ] Well, I think — maybe I touched on this before... 1000 01:00:22,036 --> 01:00:26,708 but since his son died — since Billy died this year— 1001 01:00:26,791 --> 01:00:29,877 I've always felt — See, I always felt funny dealing with Billy. 1002 01:00:29,961 --> 01:00:34,382 I loved Billy and, uh, felt like a brother to him. 1003 01:00:34,465 --> 01:00:36,301 But you know how it is between brothers. 1004 01:00:36,384 --> 01:00:37,844 There's a little rivalry. 1005 01:00:37,927 --> 01:00:40,847 Especially if one brother is a fuckup... 1006 01:00:40,930 --> 01:00:44,684 and the other is an extraordinarily competent... 1007 01:00:44,767 --> 01:00:46,936 accomplishing person... 1008 01:00:47,020 --> 01:00:49,397 which is the one that I was, of course. 1009 01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:52,191 But I felt like he looked at me as a reproach... 1010 01:00:52,275 --> 01:00:56,654 a living reproach, that I was the son that William wanted, and not he. 1011 01:00:58,614 --> 01:01:00,408 Of course when they got together, father and son... 1012 01:01:00,491 --> 01:01:03,745 as all fathers and sons, there was a great deal of contention... 1013 01:01:03,828 --> 01:01:05,997 as there was between me and my father... 1014 01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:08,166 as there was also a great deal of empathy. 1015 01:01:08,249 --> 01:01:11,169 I would say that Willy had a good deal of empathy with Bill... 1016 01:01:11,252 --> 01:01:13,671 and dug him, admired him a great deal. 1017 01:01:13,755 --> 01:01:16,549 Actually loved him a great deal, I would say. 1018 01:01:16,632 --> 01:01:21,262 But Willy was also very difficult to be with... 1019 01:01:21,346 --> 01:01:25,558 and, you know, burned down a lot of situations where he might have — 1020 01:01:25,641 --> 01:01:28,436 Well, I mean, people wanted to take care of him. 1021 01:01:31,856 --> 01:01:34,901 ♪♪ [ Whistling ] 1022 01:01:34,984 --> 01:01:37,570 I found this in the trash, and it plays "Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star"... 1023 01:01:37,653 --> 01:01:39,155 which I thought was kind of nice. 1024 01:01:39,238 --> 01:01:42,992 And my grandmother used to call me "little lamb" all the time. 1025 01:01:43,076 --> 01:01:46,245 So it all clicked, you know, all this synchronicity and stuff. 1026 01:01:46,329 --> 01:01:51,125 The pills. Also it has no eyes, which I identify with that too. 1027 01:01:51,209 --> 01:01:52,849 [ Man ] Billy is sort of the last beatnik. 1028 01:01:52,877 --> 01:01:57,131 And Billy sort of held out for principles... 1029 01:01:57,215 --> 01:02:00,093 that are all in Jack Kerouac's On the Road... 1030 01:02:00,176 --> 01:02:02,056 that everyone else had long abandoned, you know? 1031 01:02:02,136 --> 01:02:06,641 Like, all the beatniks became the hippies that became the yippies... 1032 01:02:06,724 --> 01:02:09,769 that became whatever through the decades. 1033 01:02:09,852 --> 01:02:13,398 And Billy held on to these principles in a certain way, you know... 1034 01:02:13,481 --> 01:02:16,150 of not wanting to compromise in any sense... 1035 01:02:16,234 --> 01:02:19,237 as opposed to what everyone thought the gods are... 1036 01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:22,365 which is William and Allen Ginsberg and all those heroes. 1037 01:02:22,448 --> 01:02:26,702 All the men who had turned every nuance into something that supports them... 1038 01:02:26,786 --> 01:02:29,080 in some fashion, either money or fame or this or that. 1039 01:02:29,163 --> 01:02:32,583 Joan, while she was pregnant, was eating a lot of amphetamines. 1040 01:02:32,667 --> 01:02:35,086 So I don't know what effect that had on his nervous system. 1041 01:02:35,169 --> 01:02:37,922 I saw his correspondence with Bill. 1042 01:02:38,005 --> 01:02:39,965 It was real easy to see from his correspondence... 1043 01:02:40,007 --> 01:02:42,593 that there was a great ambivalence... 1044 01:02:42,677 --> 01:02:44,720 that — that — that William was a — 1045 01:02:44,804 --> 01:02:47,140 He loved Billy, Billy was his son... 1046 01:02:47,223 --> 01:02:50,685 and yet he didn't know how, what he could do. 1047 01:02:50,768 --> 01:02:52,770 I knew that there had been a lot going down... 1048 01:02:52,854 --> 01:02:55,940 before I ever came in the picture and that Billy felt the same way. 1049 01:02:56,023 --> 01:03:00,194 He admired — In fact, almost to Billy's detriment in some ways... 1050 01:03:00,278 --> 01:03:03,531 he admired William so much that he wanted to be a writer himself. 1051 01:03:03,614 --> 01:03:09,954 I'd come, uh, back from New York just in time to keep from dying. 1052 01:03:10,037 --> 01:03:13,249 I just wrote Speed to figure out what had hit me. 1053 01:03:13,332 --> 01:03:14,959 The same thing as writing down a dream. 1054 01:03:15,042 --> 01:03:18,963 I just wanted to know, uh, keep track of the people that I'd met. 1055 01:03:19,046 --> 01:03:20,673 [ Ginsberg ] There's a closet full of stuff. 1056 01:03:20,756 --> 01:03:25,344 And there was about two books of prose and poetry... 1057 01:03:26,721 --> 01:03:28,181 which we're now typing up. 1058 01:03:28,264 --> 01:03:30,349 [ Man ] What is it you went through last year, Billy? 1059 01:03:30,433 --> 01:03:32,768 Liver transplant... 1060 01:03:32,852 --> 01:03:34,979 which is one whopper of an operation. 1061 01:03:35,062 --> 01:03:39,567 It was absolutely terrible. It couldn't have been worse. 1062 01:03:40,735 --> 01:03:43,404 It — It — You know — 1063 01:03:43,488 --> 01:03:47,033 Made him an invalid, of course, for the rest of his life. 1064 01:03:47,116 --> 01:03:54,415 And, um, he was really lucky to live that long. It's, um — 1065 01:03:54,499 --> 01:03:56,000 Lots of them don't. 1066 01:03:56,083 --> 01:03:59,253 He had the liver transplant, and he's completely wiped out. 1067 01:03:59,337 --> 01:04:01,714 And he's a junkie on top of it, so he won't drink. 1068 01:04:01,797 --> 01:04:04,509 And then he's an alcoholic on top of being a junkie. 1069 01:04:04,592 --> 01:04:08,262 And every time you see him he's just almost in a state of collapse. 1070 01:04:08,346 --> 01:04:10,348 So a year and a half ago I said to myself... 1071 01:04:10,431 --> 01:04:12,183 "This is really the last time I'm gonna see you." 1072 01:04:12,266 --> 01:04:13,726 But it never was, you know. 1073 01:04:13,809 --> 01:04:16,938 Just like everyone who's, you know — they go on forever. 1074 01:04:17,021 --> 01:04:22,151 Well, let's face it. Anyone who's a devout Christian at this point... 1075 01:04:22,235 --> 01:04:25,488 is sort of beyond redemption. 1076 01:04:25,571 --> 01:04:29,200 I mean, holy shit. I mean, who wants to hear about that? 1077 01:04:29,283 --> 01:04:34,705 Well, that depends on what kind of concept they got of Christianity. 1078 01:04:34,789 --> 01:04:35,790 [ Coughs ] 1079 01:04:36,332 --> 01:04:41,712 One thing I've been exercising on is, um, who gets a dime, or a quarter. 1080 01:04:41,796 --> 01:04:45,049 When I'm walking down the streets with all the spare changers... 1081 01:04:45,132 --> 01:04:47,051 and it's getting to be fun. 1082 01:04:47,134 --> 01:04:49,637 This guy's got a more honest attitude, and this and that. 1083 01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:52,765 And one guy came up and said, "Give me a fucking quarter. I'm a wino." 1084 01:04:52,848 --> 01:04:56,936 [ Laughs, Coughs ] So he got his quarter real quick. 1085 01:04:57,019 --> 01:05:01,440 It's an old, old technique. You shouldn't fall for it. 1086 01:05:01,524 --> 01:05:03,150 [ Coughing ] This guy, you should have seen him. 1087 01:05:03,234 --> 01:05:05,778 Tell him — Just hand him the Town & Country. 1088 01:05:05,861 --> 01:05:08,406 There's a whole section in there on work in Boulder. 1089 01:05:08,489 --> 01:05:11,742 Also, there's a — 1090 01:05:11,826 --> 01:05:15,746 Down the street there there's a dishwasher wanted sign. 1091 01:05:15,830 --> 01:05:20,668 - Where is it? - In that, um, greasy Greek restaurant. 1092 01:05:20,751 --> 01:05:22,920 - Um — Um — - Dino's? 1093 01:05:23,004 --> 01:05:25,131 Nah, they won't hire me, 'cause I was in there... 1094 01:05:25,214 --> 01:05:29,260 back when I was doing a lot of drinking a couple of times... 1095 01:05:29,343 --> 01:05:31,429 and I applied once and the guy remembered me. 1096 01:05:31,512 --> 01:05:33,097 He took one look and said, "Forget it." 1097 01:05:33,180 --> 01:05:35,808 Well, you gotta apply anyway. 1098 01:05:40,479 --> 01:05:44,483 There's one thing I wanted to ask you. How's Al? 1099 01:05:44,567 --> 01:05:46,444 - Who? - How's Allen? 1100 01:05:46,527 --> 01:05:48,446 I don't know. I haven't seen him. 1101 01:05:49,780 --> 01:05:53,117 - You're going tomorrow. - I'll see you before I do. 1102 01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:55,369 - You will? - Yeah. 1103 01:05:55,453 --> 01:05:58,497 - You'll drop by? - Yeah, I will. 1104 01:05:58,581 --> 01:06:01,292 - That's a beautiful coat, Bill, really. - Isn't it hot? 1105 01:06:01,375 --> 01:06:05,129 Yeah, it looks like, um, the Yukon, you know. 1106 01:06:05,212 --> 01:06:08,633 Yeah, like that guy — Okay, the bill torn. 1107 01:06:08,716 --> 01:06:10,551 I won't say. 1108 01:06:11,093 --> 01:06:12,386 Well? 1109 01:06:12,470 --> 01:06:14,347 - Good night. - Good night. 1110 01:06:14,430 --> 01:06:15,950 - Good night, Bill. - Good night, Bill. 1111 01:06:16,015 --> 01:06:17,558 Sweet dreams. 1112 01:06:18,392 --> 01:06:19,852 Nice seeing you. 1113 01:06:19,935 --> 01:06:21,896 [ Grauerholz ] Thanks for coming down. 1114 01:06:25,566 --> 01:06:27,068 - Good night. - Good night. 1115 01:06:32,073 --> 01:06:35,493 He was sitting in his robe at the big table in the bunker... 1116 01:06:35,576 --> 01:06:37,912 having some toast and coffee for breakfast. 1117 01:06:37,995 --> 01:06:39,595 He finished that, and he had a cigarette. 1118 01:06:39,664 --> 01:06:44,001 And I said, "Bill, I have some very bad news, but I have to tell you. 1119 01:06:44,085 --> 01:06:46,837 Billy died this morning." 1120 01:06:46,921 --> 01:06:49,382 And he got up from the table and walked into his room. 1121 01:06:50,591 --> 01:06:53,719 I knew that he was in there, feeling and remembering all the years... 1122 01:06:53,803 --> 01:06:55,346 that Billy had been his son. 1123 01:06:55,429 --> 01:06:59,016 Everything would come back to him in a moment like that. 1124 01:06:59,100 --> 01:07:05,731 Now that he is gone, I feel like I'm a son to William. 1125 01:07:06,482 --> 01:07:09,360 I think he was very fond of Willy. 1126 01:07:09,443 --> 01:07:14,073 There was a kind of unspoken charm between them. 1127 01:07:14,156 --> 01:07:16,367 'Cause they were very much alike in temperament. 1128 01:07:16,450 --> 01:07:19,578 Billy Jr. was quite a great writer and quite a sharp mind. 1129 01:07:19,662 --> 01:07:24,250 Brilliant pantomimist, or imitator, or inimitable — 1130 01:07:24,333 --> 01:07:26,836 you know, as a prose writer. 1131 01:07:26,919 --> 01:07:30,047 He had a good sense of dialect and fact. 1132 01:07:30,131 --> 01:07:32,550 An amazingly factual writer, like his father. 1133 01:07:33,467 --> 01:07:36,721 So I — I don't know what effect it has on Bill. 1134 01:07:36,804 --> 01:07:40,933 He doesn't — He seems to be stoic about it... 1135 01:07:42,101 --> 01:07:45,730 [ Burroughs ] "Kim decides to go west and become a shootist. 1136 01:07:45,813 --> 01:07:50,025 If anyone doesn't like the way he acts and looks and smells... 1137 01:07:50,109 --> 01:07:54,155 they can fill their grubby peasant paw. 1138 01:07:54,238 --> 01:07:56,907 Kim's training as a shootist begins. 1139 01:07:56,991 --> 01:08:03,539 He meets a wise old assassin, whispering Kes Mayfield. 1140 01:08:03,622 --> 01:08:06,459 The old man didn't seem to hear. 1141 01:08:06,542 --> 01:08:09,170 He spoke to the air in front of him. 1142 01:08:09,253 --> 01:08:13,507 Your hand and your eyes know a lot more about shootin' than you do. 1143 01:08:13,591 --> 01:08:16,302 Just learn to stand out of the way. 1144 01:08:16,385 --> 01:08:22,767 His empty eyes, old, unbluffed, unreadable, rest on Kim. 1145 01:08:22,850 --> 01:08:28,606 'City boy, did you ever see a dog roll in carrion?' 1146 01:08:28,689 --> 01:08:31,192 'Yes, sir. I was tempted to join him, sir.' 1147 01:08:32,610 --> 01:08:35,529 'Kim, if you had your choice, would you rather be... 1148 01:08:35,613 --> 01:08:38,532 a poisonous snake or nonpoisonous?' 1149 01:08:38,616 --> 01:08:43,454 'Oh, poisonous, sir, like a green mamba or a spitting cobra.' 1150 01:08:43,537 --> 01:08:46,874 'Why?' 'I'd feel safer, sir.' 1151 01:08:46,957 --> 01:08:49,543 'And that's your idea of heaven, feeling safer?' 1152 01:08:49,627 --> 01:08:51,337 'Yes, sir.' 1153 01:08:51,420 --> 01:08:54,298 'Is a poisonous snake really safer?' 1154 01:08:54,381 --> 01:08:57,968 'Not really. But he must feel good after he bites someone. 1155 01:08:58,052 --> 01:09:03,474 Safer? Yes, sir. Dead people are less frightening than live ones.' 1156 01:09:03,557 --> 01:09:06,352 'Young man, I think you're an assassin.' 1157 01:09:06,435 --> 01:09:08,312 'I want to be one, sir.'" 1158 01:09:09,355 --> 01:09:13,984 Well, I would use any weapons at my disposal... 1159 01:09:14,068 --> 01:09:18,072 in order to defend my premises. 1160 01:09:21,033 --> 01:09:23,869 I wouldn't hesitate. Wouldn't hesitate at all. 1161 01:09:24,537 --> 01:09:26,914 Well, we'll try this one. 1162 01:09:35,464 --> 01:09:36,632 - [ Blows ] - [ Dart Lands ] 1163 01:09:36,715 --> 01:09:40,261 Did it stick? I heard it plop. Yes, it did. 1164 01:09:52,356 --> 01:09:55,651 I'm shooting just right up the middle of this thing. 1165 01:09:57,361 --> 01:10:00,906 This is my, uh, steel cobra. 1166 01:10:02,449 --> 01:10:04,201 - Should I demonstrate it? - [ Man ] Yes, please. 1167 01:10:04,285 --> 01:10:07,162 Stand back. Stand back. 1168 01:10:07,246 --> 01:10:10,749 This is, uh — It's the spring blackjack. 1169 01:10:10,833 --> 01:10:14,211 Now it's in probe position, see? [ Grunts ] 1170 01:10:14,295 --> 01:10:18,841 If I were starting from scratch, I'd hit him across the face... 1171 01:10:18,924 --> 01:10:20,384 and see how that went. 1172 01:10:20,467 --> 01:10:25,723 So instead of that, if you had a razor-sharp, double-edged knife... 1173 01:10:25,806 --> 01:10:27,933 you could whip it out and cut someone's throat... 1174 01:10:28,017 --> 01:10:30,936 before he knew what was happening... 1175 01:10:31,020 --> 01:10:33,188 right in the middle of a sentence. 1176 01:10:34,356 --> 01:10:38,235 You see, I don't wanna hear what you've got to say and, whoomp. 1177 01:10:45,993 --> 01:10:52,416 This knife is nice, but my one in the bank vault is so much better. 1178 01:10:52,499 --> 01:10:53,500 [ Man ] Mm-hmm. 1179 01:10:53,584 --> 01:10:57,129 But that could certainly confound a mugger. 1180 01:10:57,212 --> 01:10:58,464 [ Chuckles ] 1181 01:10:58,547 --> 01:11:01,258 He with his little puny switchblade. 1182 01:11:01,342 --> 01:11:03,302 Oh, here it is. Yes. 1183 01:11:05,512 --> 01:11:08,307 Now that's a regular blackjack. 1184 01:11:08,390 --> 01:11:11,810 A blackjack is an elegant weapon. 1185 01:11:11,894 --> 01:11:14,063 [ Man ] Well, I think you're ready for any invasions. 1186 01:11:14,146 --> 01:11:18,734 I hope so, yes. I'm not anticipating any trouble... 1187 01:11:18,817 --> 01:11:21,654 'cause I don't like violence. 1188 01:11:32,873 --> 01:11:36,669 [ Burroughs ] The bunker here has virtually no windows. 1189 01:11:36,752 --> 01:11:39,171 And, uh — But as soon as I saw it... 1190 01:11:39,254 --> 01:11:42,007 I said that it was suitable for my purposes. 1191 01:11:42,091 --> 01:11:46,136 It's quiet and secluded. 1192 01:11:47,554 --> 01:11:52,309 And it's very warm in winter and very cool in summer... 1193 01:11:52,393 --> 01:11:57,064 because the walls are thick and it's well insulated. 1194 01:12:01,902 --> 01:12:07,324 Um, I know that some of my guests here have seen a ghost. 1195 01:12:07,408 --> 01:12:09,326 I gave it the name Toby. 1196 01:12:09,410 --> 01:12:13,539 I can't say that I have seen this apparition... 1197 01:12:13,622 --> 01:12:17,209 but I've been aware of its existence. 1198 01:12:17,292 --> 01:12:21,922 This, of course, used to be a locker room in a YMCA. 1199 01:12:22,006 --> 01:12:24,883 This room, and we would assume... 1200 01:12:24,967 --> 01:12:29,263 that it might be a ghost left over from that period. 1201 01:12:38,147 --> 01:12:41,025 Well, actually I don't have a hard and fast schedule... 1202 01:12:41,108 --> 01:12:43,569 but if I'm working and working well — 1203 01:12:43,652 --> 01:12:46,155 I usually get started on my work. 1204 01:12:46,238 --> 01:12:48,449 I get up about 9:00. 1205 01:12:48,532 --> 01:12:51,285 Then I'm ready to work by 10:00 or 10:30... 1206 01:12:51,368 --> 01:12:54,496 and I will work through, more or less... 1207 01:12:54,580 --> 01:12:58,333 until 6:00 in the evening. 1208 01:12:58,417 --> 01:13:00,252 I don't usually work at night. 1209 01:13:00,335 --> 01:13:02,421 And see, I don't eat lunch normally... 1210 01:13:02,504 --> 01:13:06,091 or I may just have a sandwich or a snack in my room. 1211 01:13:06,175 --> 01:13:10,012 But normally I don't eat lunch. So that is the time in which I work. 1212 01:13:10,095 --> 01:13:13,348 The late morning and the early afternoon. 1213 01:13:13,974 --> 01:13:17,102 [ Man ] And then what do you do in the evening? 1214 01:13:17,186 --> 01:13:20,689 Well, various things. 1215 01:13:20,773 --> 01:13:24,443 Visit friends, have dinner, read... 1216 01:13:24,526 --> 01:13:27,905 watch television sometimes, if there's anything interesting. 1217 01:13:27,988 --> 01:13:35,037 Various, rather mundane and trivial occupations and activities. 1218 01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:38,916 I'm the old Irish tenor brought back from the grave. 1219 01:13:38,999 --> 01:13:41,710 What about one of the really good Irish tunes? 1220 01:13:41,794 --> 01:13:44,129 ♪ Oh, Danny boy ♪ 1221 01:13:44,213 --> 01:13:51,428 - ♪ The pipes, the pipes are calling ♪ - ♪♪ [ Humming ] 1222 01:13:51,512 --> 01:13:59,353 ♪ From glen to dale and down the mountainside ♪ 1223 01:13:59,436 --> 01:14:02,106 - ♪ Oh, Danny boy ♪ - These were all registered recorded... 1224 01:14:02,189 --> 01:14:04,108 - copyrighted— - ♪ Oh, Danny boy ♪ 1225 01:14:04,191 --> 01:14:08,862 I don't want Burt Bacharach to start stealing our stuff. 1226 01:14:08,946 --> 01:14:09,947 ♪ Oh, Danny boy ♪ 1227 01:14:10,030 --> 01:14:15,494 ♪ Oh, Danny boy, I love you so ♪♪ 1228 01:14:15,577 --> 01:14:18,038 - Are you making this up? - No, I am not. 1229 01:14:18,122 --> 01:14:21,125 [ Laughing ] That is the truth. 1230 01:14:21,208 --> 01:14:25,629 Well, I work in a number of different ways. 1231 01:14:25,712 --> 01:14:27,339 It depends upon where I am. 1232 01:14:27,422 --> 01:14:31,093 Sometimes I'm working from some notes I made. 1233 01:14:31,176 --> 01:14:33,846 Sometimes I'll get up in the night and make notes... 1234 01:14:33,929 --> 01:14:36,974 and work on those the next day. 1235 01:14:37,057 --> 01:14:40,060 Or I may know pretty well where I am in the narrative... 1236 01:14:40,144 --> 01:14:43,105 and I can go right on from there. 1237 01:14:44,773 --> 01:14:47,151 There will be long periods in which — 1238 01:14:47,234 --> 01:14:50,654 Well, not so long, but, say, a month or so... 1239 01:14:50,737 --> 01:14:54,408 sometimes more, in which it's very difficult to write. 1240 01:14:54,491 --> 01:14:57,536 And I've found that the remedy is not to try and force yourself... 1241 01:14:57,619 --> 01:15:00,998 but to do something else, to do editing... 1242 01:15:01,081 --> 01:15:04,168 reading or some other activity. 1243 01:15:04,251 --> 01:15:06,211 [ Man ] How long have you been keeping scrapbooks? 1244 01:15:06,253 --> 01:15:11,592 [ Burroughs ] Oh, I started years and years ago, about 10 years ago, no 15 years ago. 1245 01:15:11,675 --> 01:15:15,679 But they develop. This one is, I think, much more precise. 1246 01:15:15,762 --> 01:15:19,474 At first I just sort of put things in that interested me... 1247 01:15:19,558 --> 01:15:22,895 and now I have to have a very definite reason... 1248 01:15:22,978 --> 01:15:27,858 for a picture or news item to go into the scrapbook. 1249 01:15:27,941 --> 01:15:30,485 I keep files. I say, "There is something I may use"... 1250 01:15:30,569 --> 01:15:36,116 but it may be a year or two years before I find a place to use it. 1251 01:15:39,703 --> 01:15:44,917 I began writing dreams down long before I began to write. 1252 01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:49,046 For example, I meet a character in a dream. 1253 01:15:49,129 --> 01:15:55,093 Then I may find a photo that has something of the character in it. 1254 01:15:56,261 --> 01:15:59,890 Over a period of years, I've filled a number of scrapbooks... 1255 01:15:59,973 --> 01:16:03,685 with these identikit pictures. 1256 01:16:03,769 --> 01:16:07,064 Usually my characters are composites... 1257 01:16:07,147 --> 01:16:10,234 of many people from dreams... 1258 01:16:10,317 --> 01:16:12,736 photos, people I know... 1259 01:16:12,819 --> 01:16:17,407 and quite frequently, of course, characters in writing. 1260 01:16:17,491 --> 01:16:21,078 [ Burroughs ] "Here is Arthur Thom Robb — T-H-O-M — 1261 01:16:21,161 --> 01:16:26,250 chairman of the White People's Committee to Restore God's Law. 1262 01:16:26,333 --> 01:16:28,252 And he's a good ol' boy too. 1263 01:16:28,335 --> 01:16:32,381 Not a finer man in Bass, Arkansas, than old Thom Robb. 1264 01:16:32,464 --> 01:16:37,761 After praising the courageous Anita, he gets down to committee business. 1265 01:16:37,844 --> 01:16:40,931 'White People's Committee is not embarrassed to admit... 1266 01:16:41,014 --> 01:16:45,769 that we endorse and seek the execution of all homosexuals. 1267 01:16:45,852 --> 01:16:48,563 God's law calls for the death penalty... 1268 01:16:48,647 --> 01:16:51,024 for the faggot slime, the whole filthy lot of them.' 1269 01:16:52,025 --> 01:16:57,114 He is also the publisher of a book called The Negro, a Beast... 1270 01:16:57,197 --> 01:17:04,121 and his rag is replete with references to, quote, 'rabid sex-perverted Jews.' 1271 01:17:04,204 --> 01:17:06,123 He's gonna apply God's law... 1272 01:17:06,206 --> 01:17:09,584 to the Jews, the blacks, the Hispanics and the Chinese. 1273 01:17:09,668 --> 01:17:12,546 Done bit hisself off quite a tamale. 1274 01:17:13,255 --> 01:17:17,467 About 50 million folks he's gonna kill, some of whom might even resist." 1275 01:17:17,551 --> 01:17:25,309 My old assassin in "Tio Mate Smiles" in The Wild Boys — 1276 01:17:25,392 --> 01:17:29,980 I would like to kill somebody before I die... 1277 01:17:30,063 --> 01:17:34,651 and I hope it's, you know, preferably one of these fag baiters. 1278 01:17:34,735 --> 01:17:37,195 Gay state. That's what I'm aiming for. 1279 01:17:37,279 --> 01:17:40,782 And I want us to be as tough as the Israelis. 1280 01:17:40,866 --> 01:17:45,078 Anybody fucks around with a gay anyplace in the world, we're gonna be there. 1281 01:17:46,038 --> 01:17:47,873 Well, we're a minority. 1282 01:17:47,956 --> 01:17:50,417 Why the hell don't we have the right to protect ourselves? 1283 01:17:50,500 --> 01:17:55,380 Let's build up an international organization with false passports... 1284 01:17:57,924 --> 01:18:00,302 guns on arrival. 1285 01:18:00,385 --> 01:18:03,597 The whole lot — the whole terrorist lot. 1286 01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:05,807 We are a precarious minority. 1287 01:18:05,891 --> 01:18:08,935 We gotta fight for our lives, you understand? 1288 01:18:09,770 --> 01:18:14,191 If they oppose the gay state... 1289 01:18:14,274 --> 01:18:18,278 we're gonna find 'em, track 'em down and kill 'em. 1290 01:18:23,617 --> 01:18:25,285 Why not? 1291 01:18:25,369 --> 01:18:29,081 "Yes, this world would be a pretty easy and pleasant-like place to live... 1292 01:18:29,164 --> 01:18:33,543 if everybody could just mind his own business and let others do the same. 1293 01:18:33,627 --> 01:18:36,588 But a wise old black faggot said to me years ago... 1294 01:18:36,671 --> 01:18:39,216 'Some people are shits, darling.' 1295 01:18:39,299 --> 01:18:42,427 I was never able to forget it." 1296 01:18:43,804 --> 01:18:49,476 I owe my good health at a rather advanced age... 1297 01:18:49,559 --> 01:18:52,562 after some lapses of what some people... 1298 01:18:52,646 --> 01:18:55,649 would call into unhealthy conduct... 1299 01:18:55,732 --> 01:19:00,779 as entirely due to the orgone box. 1300 01:19:00,862 --> 01:19:03,490 Not much light in here. It's a little spooky. 1301 01:19:03,573 --> 01:19:09,079 He said it gave off this strange blue light. 1302 01:19:09,162 --> 01:19:11,623 - Damn. Well, that looks like — - Would you like to get in there, Terry? 1303 01:19:11,706 --> 01:19:13,959 - I'll get in there with you, William. - I'll get in. 1304 01:19:14,042 --> 01:19:16,670 - All right. I'll get in there with you. - Okay. 1305 01:19:16,753 --> 01:19:19,589 - I'll get in back. You get in front. - Okay. 1306 01:19:19,673 --> 01:19:23,760 - Don't you try and, you know — - Don't you worry, Terry. 1307 01:19:23,844 --> 01:19:25,512 All right. Let's close this for a minute. 1308 01:19:25,595 --> 01:19:30,142 Close the door. We gotta get our orgones here organized! 1309 01:19:30,225 --> 01:19:32,185 [ Southern Murmurs ] 1310 01:19:32,269 --> 01:19:34,729 - Yeah. Good. - I feel it. 1311 01:19:34,813 --> 01:19:36,773 You can feel it, yes. 1312 01:19:36,857 --> 01:19:39,109 [ Southern ] Well, I don't know about that. 1313 01:19:39,192 --> 01:19:41,361 [ Burroughs ] Sort of tingling. 1314 01:19:42,404 --> 01:19:44,324 [ Southern ] That's not — That might be the dope. 1315 01:19:44,406 --> 01:19:47,451 [ Burroughs ] I think — Yeah. Well, maybe you've had enough exposure. 1316 01:19:47,534 --> 01:19:51,413 - I think the first exposure should not be too long. - Is that a cut there? 1317 01:19:51,496 --> 01:19:57,461 I wouldn't want you to be overexposed to these potent rays... 1318 01:19:57,544 --> 01:20:01,590 - which are unlike — - I'll tell you one thing, I wouldn't want to spend my life in there. 1319 01:20:01,673 --> 01:20:04,426 Like California, I like to visit it, but I don't wanna live there. 1320 01:20:05,719 --> 01:20:09,514 The rays given off by radiation, these are beneficent. 1321 01:20:09,598 --> 01:20:11,349 It's a beneficent radiation. 1322 01:20:11,433 --> 01:20:14,811 - Ah, yes. Well, I feel a little better. - I'm sure you do. 1323 01:20:26,615 --> 01:20:29,826 [ No Audible Dialogue ] 1324 01:20:41,171 --> 01:20:43,757 Great poet and prophet... 1325 01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:48,428 and perhaps the most influential writer of our times... 1326 01:20:48,512 --> 01:20:52,349 grand, groovy and beloved William Burroughs. 1327 01:20:52,432 --> 01:20:57,062 [ Applauding, Cheering ] 1328 01:21:13,286 --> 01:21:14,871 Thank you. 1329 01:21:21,336 --> 01:21:24,881 Well, I'm sorry that Dr. Benway can't be here in person... 1330 01:21:24,965 --> 01:21:28,343 but he does send a message. 1331 01:21:28,426 --> 01:21:31,346 "I am a practitioner of medicine. 1332 01:21:31,429 --> 01:21:36,893 I learn from my patients, and my patients learn from me. 1333 01:21:36,977 --> 01:21:42,816 I am glad to report that everything is now well under control in Jonestown... 1334 01:21:42,899 --> 01:21:47,612 and I have a few more calls to make tonight." 1335 01:21:47,696 --> 01:21:50,031 [ Cheering ] 1336 01:21:51,324 --> 01:21:53,410 [ Man ] But you, William Burroughs... 1337 01:21:53,493 --> 01:21:55,161 you realize that your body... 1338 01:21:55,245 --> 01:21:57,163 you're moving towards death. 1339 01:21:57,247 --> 01:22:02,794 I wonder, just finally, will death come to you as a kind of cheat? 1340 01:22:02,877 --> 01:22:04,546 Do you think "I'm cheated of more experience"... 1341 01:22:04,629 --> 01:22:06,881 or will you think, "What a relief!" 1342 01:22:06,965 --> 01:22:11,261 No, neither. Um, quoting again from my book... 1343 01:22:11,344 --> 01:22:16,016 "Kim felt that immortality was the only goal worth striving for." 1344 01:22:16,891 --> 01:22:21,313 Um, I feel that an afterlife is quite a possibility. 1345 01:22:21,396 --> 01:22:23,898 It depends on you. [ Clears Throat ] 1346 01:22:26,276 --> 01:22:28,820 - I've just finished. - [ Chuckles ] 1347 01:22:28,903 --> 01:22:29,904 Time Out. 1348 01:22:29,988 --> 01:22:31,615 I just happened to get that number... 1349 01:22:31,698 --> 01:22:34,034 with you on the cover. 1350 01:22:34,117 --> 01:22:38,455 That's really how I knew that you were first here before you rang me. 1351 01:22:38,538 --> 01:22:40,832 But, um, it's, um — 1352 01:22:40,915 --> 01:22:45,462 I was interested in what you said, that, um, you really write to make people aware... 1353 01:22:45,545 --> 01:22:47,005 what they know themselves. 1354 01:22:47,088 --> 01:22:50,592 Well, that is perfectly true. I haven't got — I just paint. 1355 01:22:50,675 --> 01:22:53,303 Just not for that reason at all. I just paint... 1356 01:22:53,386 --> 01:22:56,765 to try and excite myself, which doesn't often happen. 1357 01:22:58,391 --> 01:23:00,518 [ Burroughs ] One of my more successful readings... 1358 01:23:00,602 --> 01:23:04,564 is on the whole mummy idea. 1359 01:23:04,648 --> 01:23:09,444 See, their belief was that you had to have a mummy in order to be immortal. 1360 01:23:09,569 --> 01:23:15,492 If anything happened to your mummy, your immortality was completely nullified... 1361 01:23:15,575 --> 01:23:18,995 which seems a pretty extraordinary idea... 1362 01:23:19,746 --> 01:23:23,500 and a very precarious sort of immortality. 1363 01:23:23,583 --> 01:23:25,669 "The most precarious... 1364 01:23:25,752 --> 01:23:28,338 shortsighted, unpleasant... 1365 01:23:28,421 --> 01:23:33,551 and downright stupid immortality blueprint... 1366 01:23:33,635 --> 01:23:37,430 was drafted by the ancient Egyptians. 1367 01:23:37,514 --> 01:23:42,977 First, you had to get yourself mummified, and that was very expensive... 1368 01:23:43,061 --> 01:23:47,857 making immortality a monopoly of the truly rich." 1369 01:23:47,941 --> 01:23:49,192 [ Laughter ] 1370 01:23:49,275 --> 01:23:52,612 "Well, here is plain G.I. Ollie. 1371 01:23:52,696 --> 01:23:57,283 He's got enough baraka — that's sort of vigor and vitality — 1372 01:23:57,367 --> 01:23:59,411 to survive his physical death. 1373 01:23:59,494 --> 01:24:01,579 Well, he won't get far. 1374 01:24:03,039 --> 01:24:06,960 He's got no mummy, he's got no name, he's got nothing. 1375 01:24:07,836 --> 01:24:13,883 What happens to a bum like that? A nameless, mummiless asshole? 1376 01:24:13,967 --> 01:24:18,054 Demons will swarm all over him at the first checkpoint. 1377 01:24:18,138 --> 01:24:21,391 Mummies are sittin' ducks. 1378 01:24:21,474 --> 01:24:24,561 No matter who you are, what can happen to your mummy... 1379 01:24:24,644 --> 01:24:27,105 is a pharaoh's nightmare. 1380 01:24:27,188 --> 01:24:31,234 The dreaded mummy bashers and grave robbers... 1381 01:24:31,317 --> 01:24:37,574 scavengers, floods, volcanoes, earthquakes, explosions. 1382 01:24:37,657 --> 01:24:41,745 'For Ra's sakes, get us into the vaults!' they scream... 1383 01:24:41,828 --> 01:24:45,165 without a throat, without a tongue... 1384 01:24:45,248 --> 01:24:48,793 a silent scream of abject terror. 1385 01:24:49,711 --> 01:24:54,257 Now perhaps a mummy's best friend is an Egyptologist." 1386 01:24:54,340 --> 01:24:58,136 That's why they — Of course, that's how they produce this marvelous stuff. 1387 01:24:58,219 --> 01:24:59,804 'Cause in a way, they thought — 1388 01:24:59,888 --> 01:25:04,768 Because a lot of that stuff was not made by individual artists. 1389 01:25:04,851 --> 01:25:07,312 It was just made by a lot of workmen, you know... 1390 01:25:07,395 --> 01:25:13,276 who were working on prolonging, as it were, the idea of prolonging life. 1391 01:25:13,359 --> 01:25:16,196 Well, they were working on prolonging someone else's life. 1392 01:25:16,279 --> 01:25:20,283 Someone else's. Exactly. Yes, they got a raw deal, didn't they? 1393 01:25:20,366 --> 01:25:22,577 A very raw deal. 1394 01:25:22,660 --> 01:25:24,204 A very raw deal indeed. 1395 01:25:24,287 --> 01:25:26,706 [ Typing ] 1396 01:25:27,707 --> 01:25:31,461 [ Burroughs ] "Daddy Long Legs looked like Uncle Sam on stilts... 1397 01:25:31,544 --> 01:25:35,799 and he ran this osteopath clinic outside East St. Louis... 1398 01:25:35,882 --> 01:25:39,093 and took in a few junkie patients. 1399 01:25:39,177 --> 01:25:43,598 Doc Benway and me was holed up there after a rumble in Dallas... 1400 01:25:43,681 --> 01:25:46,726 involving this aphrodisiac ointment... 1401 01:25:46,810 --> 01:25:51,314 and Doc goofed on ether and mixed in too much Spanish Fly... 1402 01:25:51,397 --> 01:25:54,901 and burned the prick off the police commissioner. 1403 01:25:55,443 --> 01:25:59,364 So we come to Daddy Long Legs to cool off. 1404 01:25:59,447 --> 01:26:03,284 One day, we were sittin' out in the lawn chairs with lap robes — 1405 01:26:03,368 --> 01:26:04,828 it was a fall day — 1406 01:26:04,911 --> 01:26:08,414 leaves turning, sun cold on the lake. 1407 01:26:08,498 --> 01:26:11,709 Doc picks up a piece of grass. 1408 01:26:11,793 --> 01:26:17,257 'Junk turns you on vegetable. It's green, see? 1409 01:26:17,340 --> 01:26:21,845 A green fix should last a long time.' 1410 01:26:21,928 --> 01:26:24,806 We check out of the clinic and rent a house... 1411 01:26:24,889 --> 01:26:28,518 and Doc starts cooking up this green junk. 1412 01:26:28,601 --> 01:26:33,523 The basement is full of tanks, smell like a compost heap of junkies. 1413 01:26:33,606 --> 01:26:37,360 So finally he draws off this heavy green fluid... 1414 01:26:37,443 --> 01:26:41,489 and loads it into a hypo big as a bicycle pump. 1415 01:26:41,573 --> 01:26:45,743 'Now, we must find a worthy vessel,' he says. 1416 01:26:45,827 --> 01:26:48,371 We flush out this old goofball artist... 1417 01:26:48,454 --> 01:26:54,002 and tell him it is pure Chinese "H" from the Ling Dynasty... 1418 01:26:54,085 --> 01:26:58,882 and Doc shoots the whole pint of green right into the mainline... 1419 01:26:58,965 --> 01:27:02,051 and the yellow jacket turns fibrous gray-green... 1420 01:27:02,135 --> 01:27:04,804 and withers up like an old turnip. 1421 01:27:04,888 --> 01:27:07,473 And I say, 'I'm gettin' out of here, me.' 1422 01:27:07,557 --> 01:27:12,437 And Doc says, 'An unworthy vessel, obviously. 1423 01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:14,480 I withdraw from the case.'" 1424 01:27:14,564 --> 01:27:21,237 [ Woman ] ♪ Oh, it's a long, long while ♪ 1425 01:27:21,321 --> 01:27:22,780 ♪ From May to December ♪ 1426 01:27:22,864 --> 01:27:26,910 You know, this is nice. You can come back and settle down with one's cats. 1427 01:27:26,993 --> 01:27:30,163 ♪ And the days grow short ♪ 1428 01:27:30,246 --> 01:27:33,374 Plant asparagus beds and birdseed. 1429 01:27:33,458 --> 01:27:38,171 - I mean, excuse me, grass seed. - [ Chuckles ] 1430 01:27:38,254 --> 01:27:40,632 Well, it'll be birdseed if we don't get it in pretty soon. 1431 01:27:40,715 --> 01:27:44,135 Hunting and fishing, you know. 1432 01:27:45,637 --> 01:27:47,805 Come here, Russki. 1433 01:27:48,598 --> 01:27:50,141 [ Clicking Teeth ] 1434 01:27:51,267 --> 01:27:53,478 Ah, very well. 1435 01:27:53,561 --> 01:27:55,688 That better be good enough. 1436 01:28:06,199 --> 01:28:08,201 Good cat, Russki. 1437 01:28:09,535 --> 01:28:11,037 [ Clicks Teeth ] 1438 01:28:22,090 --> 01:28:24,175 ♪ And these few precious days ♪♪ 1439 01:28:24,258 --> 01:28:28,972 I'd like to kill a pheasant, and Kansas is known for its pheasants. 1440 01:28:29,055 --> 01:28:32,058 Oh, yes. Oh, yes. And pheasant season's coming up too. 1441 01:28:32,141 --> 01:28:34,519 - I know it is. - Wayne knows all about that stuff. 1442 01:28:34,602 --> 01:28:36,646 Well, you'll — 1443 01:28:36,729 --> 01:28:39,524 By God, get out and kill a pheasant. 1444 01:28:39,607 --> 01:28:42,193 - If it's the last thing we do. - Yes, absolutely. 1445 01:28:42,276 --> 01:28:44,237 I will do this then. 1446 01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:49,200 You have to be awfully careful cooking pheasants. 1447 01:28:49,283 --> 01:28:51,995 - They tend to get dry. - Mmm. 1448 01:28:52,078 --> 01:28:53,538 Same problem with quail. 1449 01:28:53,621 --> 01:28:57,041 - I almost forgot. We have to cook it. - What? 1450 01:28:57,125 --> 01:28:59,502 - Oh, we have to cook it and eat it. - Well, naturally. 1451 01:28:59,585 --> 01:29:01,713 That's the whole point. 1452 01:29:01,796 --> 01:29:06,009 That's the whole point in killing a bird is to eat it. 1453 01:29:06,092 --> 01:29:09,554 I wouldn't kill anything I didn't intend to eat, except a possum. 1454 01:29:09,637 --> 01:29:11,723 - [ Sniffs ] - [ Laughs ] 116376

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