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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,090 Georgios Papadopoulos:Dictator: - Yet once shall I attempt a comparison with doctors 2 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,150 We have a patient; we've placed him in a plaster cast. 3 00:01:41,230 --> 00:01:46,220 Dominique Strauss-Kahn: IMF Managing Director: 4 00:01:56,100 --> 00:01:59,440 As has been said before, history has this wicked habit… 5 00:01:59,450 --> 00:02:02,310 of repeating itself «as farce». 6 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:08,400 So, from a dictator/wannabe-doctor, we moved on to the MDs of the IMF. 7 00:02:22,090 --> 00:02:25,180 Andreas Papandreou: PM of Greece, 1981-1990, 1993-1996: - Everybody has to join in the struggle, fully aware that… 8 00:02:25,190 --> 00:02:31,120 either the nation will obliterate its huge debt… or the huge debt will obliterate the nation. 9 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:40,200 Constantinos Mitsotakis: PM of Greece, 1990-1993: - This year's incomes policy will be strict and austere. 10 00:02:40,300 --> 00:02:43,150 No raises will be given whatsoever. 11 00:02:46,620 --> 00:02:51,060 Costas Simitis: Greece PM, 1996-2004: - There is no more room for benefits or tax cuts. 12 00:02:59,030 --> 00:03:02,140 Costas Karamanlis - PM of Greece, 2004-2009 - We have to cut public spending, we have to tidy up our house. 13 00:03:02,230 --> 00:03:07,000 And this cannot be achieved with your empty promises… 14 00:03:07,030 --> 00:03:10,210 of handing out money and privileges at a time of such crisis. 15 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:22,000 Giorgos Papandreou PM of Greece - Unfortunately, our country is in the ICU. The nation's fiscal deadlock… 16 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:28,170 threatens our sovereignty for the first time since 1974. 17 00:03:37,190 --> 00:03:40,200 In the last 40 years, two political parties, 3 families of politicians… 18 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,090 along with certain businessmen, led the country to bankruptcy. 19 00:03:45,050 --> 00:03:49,100 They declared suspension of payments to the people, in order to save their lenders. 20 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:01,160 After decades of continuous austerity, the Czars of the economy… 21 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,090 advertised Greece as the local financial superpower. 22 00:04:05,170 --> 00:04:09,080 Yannos Papantoniou - Minister for Finance 1994-2001: - Our work is great. We were the first to solve the economic problems. 23 00:04:09,100 --> 00:04:13,230 N. Christodoulakis - Minister for Finance 2001-2004: - Once more, our economy will prove to be our strongest asset. 24 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:20,060 Yannos Papantoniou - Minister for Finance 1994-2001: - The economy sprang forward and went… from second to first league. 25 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:25,040 When their creation crumbled, those people said behind our back… - - 26 00:04:25,090 --> 00:04:29,990 that, due to some genetic disorder, we were incapable of handling… 27 00:04:30,010 --> 00:04:34,010 our economy without foreign aid. 28 00:04:44,150 --> 00:04:47,200 Our government called us bums, and our lenders «PIIGS»... 29 00:04:49,010 --> 00:04:52,040 as was the case with all peripheral EU countries. 30 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:58,050 And our ministers tried to convince us that all of us had a part in this. 31 00:05:02,070 --> 00:05:07,160 Brian Lenihan - Ireland's Minister for Finance, 2008-2011: 32 00:05:16,030 --> 00:05:21,190 Theodoros Pangalos - Vice-president of the Greek government: - The answer to the denouncement of the country's politicians… 33 00:05:21,190 --> 00:05:25,230 that makes people ask us, «what did you do with the money?» is: 34 00:05:25,230 --> 00:05:31,120 We made you civil servants! We all had a part in this! 35 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:37,220 So are we the prodigal children of a neat global economy… 36 00:05:37,220 --> 00:05:39,130 and an all-successful Europe? 37 00:05:39,130 --> 00:05:44,030 Or has the system been ailing since its youth? 38 00:06:23,070 --> 00:06:28,120 Capitalist economy in the post-war period consists of two parts. 39 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:38,070 Costas Lapavitsas - Professor in Economics: - In the first 25 years after World War II, the growth rate was high. 40 00:06:38,070 --> 00:06:45,180 Real income rose, as did the consumption of goods. 41 00:06:45,180 --> 00:06:52,100 Those were novel circumstances in the history of capitalism. 42 00:07:03,100 --> 00:07:08,220 David Harvey - Social scientist 43 00:07:15,110 --> 00:07:19,090 This happy period ended in the mid-Seventies. 44 00:07:19,090 --> 00:07:24,220 From then on, we entered a period of low growth, recurrent crises... 45 00:07:24,220 --> 00:07:32,240 suppressed, if any, rises in workers' income— and high unemployment. 46 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:38,240 Mature capitalist countries found it difficult... 47 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,240 to accrue wealth. 48 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:44,180 This period was marked by a huge growth in the financial system… 49 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:48,150 which was termed financialisation. 50 00:08:48,150 --> 00:08:54,160 Financialisation brought on and intensified the crises. 51 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,100 When the US housing bubble burst… 52 00:10:11,100 --> 00:10:15,230 the financial system came close to total collapse. 53 00:10:15,230 --> 00:10:22,020 As a result, it affected the real economy, which had its own structural problems. 54 00:10:31,220 --> 00:10:35,100 States took rescue measures. They used tax-payers' money… 55 00:10:35,100 --> 00:10:38,070 to save the banks and restore demand. 56 00:10:38,070 --> 00:10:42,160 Thus, the financial crisis went fiscal. 57 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:46,050 And those same banks which were saved by the tax-payers… 58 00:10:46,050 --> 00:10:51,000 decided to bite the hand that fed them, by gambling on state bankruptcies. 59 00:10:55,230 --> 00:10:58,110 Speculation makes things worse in Greece, too. 60 00:10:58,110 --> 00:11:02,040 Only, this time, the problem is even deeper. 61 00:11:08,150 --> 00:11:11,040 It's time for the Eurozone to pay. 62 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:17,020 King Euro proves naked, mainly because he's a king without a state. 63 00:11:19,140 --> 00:11:21,020 Samir Amin - Economist - There cannot be a currency without a state. 64 00:11:21,020 --> 00:11:24,180 Despite their weaknesses, the advantage of the US dollar... 65 00:11:24,180 --> 00:11:29,180 among other things, is that there is a state called the USA. 66 00:11:29,180 --> 00:11:34,220 Europe does not exist as a political entity. 67 00:11:34,220 --> 00:11:41,100 There's no legitimized political power connecting its states. 68 00:11:41,100 --> 00:11:45,160 In my opinion, the Eurozone is not viable. 69 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,120 In contrast to the USA, where the federal government… 70 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:55,200 and the Federal Reserve System intervene to ameliorate inequalities… 71 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:59,060 among states, the Eurozone accentuates inequality. 72 00:11:59,060 --> 00:12:04,220 This is how the PIIGS, the poor relatives of the EU, came into existence. 73 00:12:07,130 --> 00:12:11,140 The Eurozone is divided distinctly into central and peripheral states. 74 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:18,180 The crisis is most intense in the peripheral states. 75 00:12:20,180 --> 00:12:29,190 The central states, especially Germany, are winners because of the Euro. 76 00:12:31,190 --> 00:12:33,080 The competitiveness of EU states came to vary a lot… 77 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:38,060 and the competitiveness of peripheral countries fell steadily and systematically behind. 78 00:12:38,060 --> 00:12:42,040 This was directly due to the Euro. 79 00:12:53,180 --> 00:13:01,160 Éric Toussaint, president of the Committee for the Abolition of Third World Debt - The crisis in the EU was a result of the way Europe was integrated. 80 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:10,120 With Greece, it's like putting Muhammad Ali … 81 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:15,070 the World Heavyweight Champion, in the ring with a featherweight boxer… 82 00:13:15,070 --> 00:13:19,220 and telling them: «Start fighting and let's see who wins». 83 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:26,190 Why are the peripheral countries lagging behind in competitiveness? 84 00:13:26,190 --> 00:13:30,040 Most of all, what causes this divergence to keep increasing? 85 00:13:44,050 --> 00:13:47,240 The myth of the "lazy periphery" and "industrious Germany"... 86 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:53,130 with its "high productivity" is just that. All the German governments managed… 87 00:13:53,130 --> 00:13:56,190 was to declare war on their own work-force... 88 00:13:56,190 --> 00:14:00,010 and freeze their salaries for a decade. 89 00:14:09,020 --> 00:14:17,140 Sahra Wagenknecht - Deputy Chairperson, Die Linke - In recent years, the nominal increase in salaries was 7% (in Germany)… 90 00:14:17,140 --> 00:14:20,070 while in the Eurozone it was 27%. 91 00:14:20,070 --> 00:14:24,180 This gap logically results in loss of competitiveness in other countries. 92 00:14:24,180 --> 00:14:31,220 When salaries go down in one country, while they go up in all the others … 93 00:14:31,220 --> 00:14:35,600 it's only natural that the competitiveness of the German economy is boosted… 94 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:39,000 while the other countries are unable to follow. 95 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:44,210 The Eurozone countries are no longer able to devaluate their currency. 96 00:14:44,210 --> 00:14:47,180 This resulted in the establishment of a mechanism… 97 00:14:47,180 --> 00:14:51,240 which was bound to lead to the results we have today. 98 00:15:26,110 --> 00:15:30,090 Costas Lapavitsas - Professor in Economics: - The loss of competitiveness manifested itself in two ways… 99 00:15:30,090 --> 00:15:32,160 both of which played a decisive part in the crisis. 100 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:37,060 Firstly, great deficits occurred in current transactions. 101 00:15:37,060 --> 00:15:43,080 And Greece had the greatest deficit of all. When you're unable to compete… 102 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,150 your transactions with the rest of the world result in a deficit. 103 00:15:46,150 --> 00:15:48,100 And Greece’s deficit is huge. 104 00:15:48,100 --> 00:15:52,040 But this goes for the other peripheral countries, as well. 105 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:57,220 This phenomenon went hand-in-hand with the accruing of debt. 106 00:15:57,220 --> 00:16:02,110 If you have such deficits, you must balance them somehow. 107 00:16:06,090 --> 00:16:10,090 In the EU, Greece is the poor relative. 108 00:16:10,090 --> 00:16:17,100 Greece belongs to the European Continent's semi-peripheral countries. 109 00:16:22,100 --> 00:16:29,160 It's evident that Greece was bound to accrue national debt… 110 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:33,110 given the circumstances of its integration into European markets. 111 00:16:33,110 --> 00:16:37,230 I won't even bother with the rumour that Greeks are lazy. 112 00:16:37,230 --> 00:16:39,090 That's pure racism. 113 00:16:46,170 --> 00:16:50,050 The Eurozone destroys the immune system of peripheral countries… 114 00:16:50,050 --> 00:16:53,070 leaving them exposed to the global crisis. 115 00:16:55,100 --> 00:16:59,160 The Achilles' heel of those countries is deficit and debt. 116 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:03,160 In our case, the debt is rooted… 117 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:06,110 deep in the history of the Greek state. 118 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:15,190 Manolis Glezos - historical figure of the Greek Left - From the time of the Revolution of 1821, our country… 119 00:17:15,190 --> 00:17:20,210 started borrowing. And it's been borrowing ever since. 120 00:17:20,210 --> 00:17:22,080 With one exception. 121 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:31,030 During an extraordinarily "happy" period, Greece managed to become a lender. 122 00:17:31,030 --> 00:17:34,010 During the German Occupation, Greece lent to Germany. 123 00:17:34,010 --> 00:17:38,130 The Germans forced Greece to become a lender instead of a borrower. 124 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:47,200 After the German Occupation ended, the country resumed its traditional role; 125 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,080 that of a borrower. 126 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:55,000 And national debt as we know it, started to rise in the 1980s. 127 00:17:57,220 --> 00:18:00,020 The high levels of national borrowing in Greece… 128 00:18:00,020 --> 00:18:03,230 relate to Greece's social and class structure… 129 00:18:03,230 --> 00:18:08,030 and the form the Greek economy has assumed over the last few decades. 130 00:18:08,030 --> 00:18:12,180 It has to do with the Greek state's systematic inability… 131 00:18:12,180 --> 00:18:19,180 to implement an effective and fair system of taxation. 132 00:18:19,180 --> 00:18:22,180 (History of Greek sovereign debt) 133 00:18:22,990 --> 00:18:26,900 Andreas Papandreou created the necessary welfare state 134 00:18:26,990 --> 00:18:30,900 without increasing corporate and high income taxes. 135 00:18:30,990 --> 00:18:34,900 He saved jobs by nationalizing loss-making private companies. 136 00:18:34,990 --> 00:18:37,900 Primarily though, he saved the companies' owners. 137 00:18:37,990 --> 00:18:43,900 Public deficit and sovereign debt increased dramatically. 138 00:18:43,990 --> 00:18:45,900 Mitsotakis’ government continued to borrow. 139 00:18:45,990 --> 00:18:49,900 The Maastricht treaty imposed world markets as the only mechanism for deficit control, 140 00:18:49,990 --> 00:18:52,900 prohibiting other means of money creation. 141 00:18:53,990 --> 00:18:58,900 Debt skyrocketed with the highest increase rate in Greek history. 142 00:18:59,990 --> 00:19:03,900 Kostas Simitis was luckier. 143 00:19:03,990 --> 00:19:06,900 «Creative accounting», the fall of European interest rates 144 00:19:07,990 --> 00:19:09,900 and economic growth were on his side. 145 00:19:010,990 --> 00:19:13,900 This way, he was able to conceal the bomb 145 00:19:13,990 --> 00:19:15,900 that he placed on sovereign debt. 146 00:19:16,990 --> 00:19:19,900 During his premiership,the percentage of debt seemed to decrease slightly. 147 00:19:21,990 --> 00:19:25,900 Kostas Karamanlis decreased capital taxation by 10%. 148 00:19:26,990 --> 00:19:30,900 The economic free fall accelerated 149 00:19:31,990 --> 00:19:34,900 and debt exploded once more. 150 00:19:35,990 --> 00:19:42,900 151 00:19:42,990 --> 00:19:50,900 152 00:19:57,990 --> 00:20:03,900 Most countries in a similar situation were visited by the IMF. 153 00:20:04,990 --> 00:20:07,900 But none paid as dearly as Argentina… 154 00:20:07,990 --> 00:20:10,900 Greece's mirror image on the other side of the Atlantic. 155 00:20:57,990 --> 00:21:00,900 Argentina fell into the debt trap at the same time as Greece… 156 00:21:00,990 --> 00:21:04,900 in 1824, with the first British loans. 157 00:21:04,990 --> 00:21:07,900 But the noose tightened towards the end of the 20th century. 158 00:21:07,990 --> 00:21:11,900 Argentina locked the rate of its peso against the US dollar. 159 00:21:13,990 --> 00:21:16,900 This made it impossible for them, to exercise a monetary policy. 160 00:21:16,990 --> 00:21:19,900 Argentina experienced its own Eurozone. 161 00:21:20,990 --> 00:21:24,900 Only, instead of Berlin, they were up against Washington DC. 162 00:21:25,990 --> 00:21:31,900 M. Camdessus - IMF Managing Director, 1987-2000: 163 00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:37,900 At the same time, the IMF turned the country into... 164 00:21:37,990 --> 00:21:41,900 yet another experimental laboratory for Neoliberalism. 165 00:21:42,990 --> 00:21:45,900 (Excerpt from the documentary film The Take) 166 00:21:48,990 --> 00:21:53,900 Avi Lewis - Film-maker / Journalist: 167 00:22:19,990 --> 00:22:23,900 Gerard Dumenil - Economist 168 00:22:45,990 --> 00:22:48,900 After Argentina's economic collapse in 2001... 169 00:22:48,990 --> 00:22:52,900 the IMF and its Neoliberal theories... 170 00:22:52,990 --> 00:22:56,900 became the laughing stock of economists all over the world. 171 00:22:56,990 --> 00:22:59,900 But some monsters never die. 172 00:23:31,990 --> 00:23:34,900 (I have 3 children and no job, please help) 173 00:23:37,990 --> 00:23:40,900 Greece will pay dearl for the intervention of the IMF. 174 00:22:40,990 --> 00:23:45,900 And, in some cases, she will even pay for it in advance. 175 00:23:46,990 --> 00:23:57,900 Ron Paul - Republican Congressman - 176 00:23:57,990 --> 00:24:04,900 Ben Bernanke Chairman of FED - 177 00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:13,900 Argentina was confronted by the IMF alone. 178 00:24:13,990 --> 00:24:16,900 But Greece found herself serving two masters. 179 00:24:16,990 --> 00:24:21,900 Because, in Europe, Neoliberal theories were also being promoted… 180 00:24:21,990 --> 00:24:24,900 by the European Central Bank. 181 00:24:33,210 --> 00:24:39,010 Ironically enough, in the case of Greece… 182 00:24:39,010 --> 00:24:43,900 the IMF was softer than the EU. 183 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:54,900 The measures applied in collaboration with the IMF, the ECB and the EU… 184 00:24:54,990 --> 00:24:57,900 are not only unfair and dangerous to the Greek people. 185 00:24:57,990 --> 00:25:00,900 They're also doomed to fail right from the start. 186 00:25:00,990 --> 00:25:05,900 They have a tragic impact on the people's quality of life… 187 00:25:05,990 --> 00:25:08,900 and on their daily life even. 188 00:25:08,990 --> 00:25:12,900 And it's highly unlikely that they will have a positive effect… 189 00:25:12,990 --> 00:25:16,050 on the economy in general, and the management of national debt. 190 00:25:24,170 --> 00:25:28,900 Like in Argentina, the target was to save not the economy… 191 00:25:28,990 --> 00:25:30,900 but rather the banks and the big enterprises. 192 00:25:54,990 --> 00:25:57,900 The measures taken now are stabilization measures … 193 00:25:57,990 --> 00:26:02,900 to prevent Greece from proceeding to a cessation of due payments. 194 00:26:02,990 --> 00:26:04,900 They are not measures which will reduce the debt. 195 00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:10,900 It is more than obvious that the debt will continue to increase quickly… 196 00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:14,900 regardless of the measures, and, indeed, as a result of them. 197 00:26:14,990 --> 00:26:18,900 The measures aim clearly to protect the lenders… 198 00:26:18,990 --> 00:26:22,900 to protect the banks. 199 00:26:25,990 --> 00:26:29,900 Within a few months, the Greek government gave the banks… 200 00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:31,900 EUR 108 billion… 201 00:26:31,990 --> 00:26:38,900 which is almost the entire rescue package received from the IMF and the EU. 202 00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:41,900 (Excerpt from the documentary film Social Genocide) 203 00:26:41,990 --> 00:26:45,900 When Argentina faced a similar situation… 204 00:26:45,990 --> 00:26:48,900 several of those responsible were punished. 205 00:26:48,990 --> 00:26:52,900 The image of presidents leaving the presidential palace in choppers… 206 00:26:52,990 --> 00:26:57,900 still haunts both the IMF and its collaborators. 207 00:27:07,990 --> 00:27:11,900 One magical night, just like in Argentina… 208 00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:16,900 we'll see who gets to hop into the chopper first! 209 00:27:25,030 --> 00:27:27,060 Year #1 after the IMF intervention. 210 00:27:30,150 --> 00:27:34,190 Greece has entered an intensive programme of "purging" procedures, "asset utilisation"… 211 00:27:34,190 --> 00:27:36,190 "rationalisation measures" and "tidying up". 212 00:27:43,180 --> 00:27:45,220 The delegates of the IMF, EUand ECB have taken up permanent residence in Athens… 213 00:27:45,220 --> 00:27:50,180 and are dictating their policy through an unconstitutional memorandum. 214 00:27:52,220 --> 00:27:58,180 Dominique Strauss - Kahn IMF Managing Director - 215 00:28:10,140 --> 00:28:12,180 What is Greece today? 216 00:28:12,180 --> 00:28:15,160 Are we a free country? Yes. 217 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:21,150 Are we independent? No, we've been reduced to vassals. 218 00:28:21,150 --> 00:28:27,230 Freedom is one thing, sovereignty quite another. 219 00:28:27,230 --> 00:28:32,030 Our country's problem is that she has lost her sovereignty. 220 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,090 In splendid collaboration with their foreign lenders… 221 00:28:45,090 --> 00:28:49,200 the government has turned against the people with harsh austerity measures. 222 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:53,230 The result is poverty, failed businessed, and unemployment. 223 00:29:14,050 --> 00:29:16,220 We consider the centre of Athens to be… 224 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,110 N. Kanakis : president - Doctors of the World – Greece - facing a humanitarian crisis. All the distinctive features are there; 225 00:29:20,110 --> 00:29:26,200 people who are hungry or homeless, who lack medication and healthcare. 226 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,130 And they just wander around the squares. 227 00:29:29,130 --> 00:29:34,100 It's not much different from what we see in Third World countries. 228 00:29:36,100 --> 00:29:40,030 You have to remember that we deal with the poorest of the poor. 229 00:29:40,030 --> 00:29:44,020 There are people who still maintain some social security rights… 230 00:29:44,020 --> 00:29:48,000 but that is not enough, as a poor woman-pensioner indicated. 231 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:53,000 She said: "I buy either food or medicine. I can't afford both". 232 00:29:57,060 --> 00:29:59,080 The government's measures are not simply worsening… 233 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,200 the citizens' living conditions. They pose an immediate threat to their lives. 234 00:30:13,170 --> 00:30:22,140 Panos Papanicolaou: Neurosurgeon - In all of the countries "supported" by the IMF up to now… 235 00:30:22,900 --> 00:30:26,070 there has been a dramatic drop in average life expectancy 236 00:30:26,070 --> 00:30:29,180 It's what we usually refer to as the average lifespan. 237 00:30:29,180 --> 00:30:33,200 There were countries where, after the IMF ordeal… 238 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:39,000 the average lifespan fell by 5-10 years. With the cuts we are facing now… 239 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,110 it's clear that our life expectancy will be greatly reduced. 240 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,020 The citizens react. 241 00:31:01,020 --> 00:31:10,210 The government's response is in breach of even the basic principles of democracy… 242 00:31:19,030 --> 00:31:23,240 The penalisation of wearing a hood, the unjustified arrests and… 243 00:31:23,900 --> 00:31:27,140 the hood-wearing policemen, all border on the para-state. 244 00:31:40,020 --> 00:31:44,000 This liberality with tear-gas leaves us no money for free education 245 00:31:44,170 --> 00:31:50,010 Alain Badiou Philosopher: Philosopher - Crises are always solved through measures against society and against the people… 246 00:31:50,010 --> 00:31:53,160 which may be particularly harsh. 247 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:58,120 This is how capitalism controls the situation. 248 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:04,000 The problem of capitalism is how to get these measures accepted. 249 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,130 For that, violence is deployed. 250 00:32:09,090 --> 00:32:12,050 In response to the "financial gale" alert… 251 00:32:12,050 --> 00:32:15,180 Democracy makes way for Debtocracy. 252 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,130 Poor people, don't eat each other. Eat the rich, they're plumper! 253 00:32:32,060 --> 00:32:37,210 A crisis of capitalism causes extensive devaluation. 254 00:32:37,210 --> 00:32:42,170 The value is lost through financial speculation. 255 00:32:42,170 --> 00:32:46,160 Somebody has to pay for this devaluation. 256 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,200 However, the capitalists do not intend to pay for it. 257 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:54,010 They're not at all altruistic. 258 00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:59,050 But if those who caused the crisis do not intend to pay for it… 259 00:32:59,050 --> 00:33:01,070 why should we pay? 260 00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:10,220 In the past, dozens of countries have successfully repudiated debts… 261 00:33:10,220 --> 00:33:15,130 not incurred by their citizens, in accordance with provisions… 262 00:33:15,130 --> 00:33:20,120 of the international law, such as the concept of odious debt. 263 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,190 The history of odious debt [animation] 264 00:33:27,990 --> 00:33:32,900 Our story starts in the 1920s, with Alexander Sack. 265 00:33:32,990 --> 00:33:35,900 Sack was a minister and law specialist in Czarist Russia. 266 00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:42,900 After the 1917 Revolution, he taught in universities of Europe and the USA. 267 00:33:42,990 --> 00:33:46,900 In 1927, he came up with a brilliant concept: 268 00:33:46,990 --> 00:33:49,900 the concept of odious debt. 269 00:33:50,990 --> 00:33:54,900 In order to define a debt as odious, three prerequisites are needed. 270 00:33:55,990 --> 00:33:58,900 1. The government of the country receives a loan… 271 00:33:58,990 --> 00:34:01,900 without the knowledge and approval of the people. 272 00:34:02,990 --> 00:34:07,900 2. The loan is spent on activities not beneficial to the people. 273 00:34:07,990 --> 00:34:11,900 3. The lenders know of this situation… 274 00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:14,900 but play possum. 275 00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:19,900 Sack's proposals sound progressive, even revolutionary. 276 00:34:19,990 --> 00:34:24,900 Actually, at that time, they served the interests… 277 00:34:24,990 --> 00:34:28,900 of a rising superpower: the United States of America. 278 00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:33,900 The USA had found themselves in need of the "odious debt" concept in 1898… 279 00:34:34,990 --> 00:34:38,900 when they won the Spanish-American war and annexed Cuba. 280 00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:41,900 Their problem was that, together with Cuba… 281 00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:46,900 they acquired the debt incurred by the Spanish colonial regime. 282 00:34:46,990 --> 00:34:50,900 And, since Spanish colonialism had lasted four centuries… 283 00:34:50,990 --> 00:34:56,900 from 1492, when Columbus set foot in America, till 1898… 284 00:34:56,990 --> 00:34:59,900 that debt was quite heavy. 285 00:35:00,990 --> 00:35:04,900 Of course, the USA had no intention of paying for the mistakes of past regimes. 286 00:35:04,990 --> 00:35:08,900 They decided that Cuba's debt was odious… 287 00:35:08,990 --> 00:35:10,900 and simply refused to pay it. 288 00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:17,900 The same had happened in Mexico a few decades earlier. 289 00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:23,900 When the Republicans overthrew emperor Maximilian I… 290 00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:26,900 they decided that the debt he had incurred was odious. 291 00:35:28,990 --> 00:35:32,900 Maximilian had borrowed huge sums at excessively high interest rates… 292 00:35:32,990 --> 00:35:35,900 to deal with the uprising against him. 293 00:35:36,990 --> 00:35:41,900 And since he owed a lot, mainly to the people of Mexico… 294 00:35:41,990 --> 00:35:44,900 he was sentenced to death and sent to the firing squad. 295 00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:52,900 In the late 19th-early 20th century, most instances of odious debt… 296 00:35:52,990 --> 00:35:56,900 concerned underdeveloped countries on the American continent. 297 00:35:56,990 --> 00:36:00,900 Actually, a rising superpower was involved in all those debt repudiations: 298 00:36:00,990 --> 00:36:05,900 the United States of America. 299 00:36:06,990 --> 00:36:09,900 And this same superpower brought the concept of odious debt… 300 00:36:09,990 --> 00:36:12,900 into the 21st century. 301 00:36:39,100 --> 00:36:44,000 December 2002: the White House is putting the finishing touches… 302 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,110 to the planned invasion and occupation of Iraq. 303 00:36:51,060 --> 00:36:54,240 Before the attack starts, however, American officials… 304 00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:59,040 are preparing for the day after Saddam Hussein's overthrowal. 305 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,230 The State Department knows that they will have to deal with… 306 00:37:03,230 --> 00:37:07,240 Iraq's huge national debt. Therefore, they are trying to prove… 307 00:37:07,240 --> 00:37:09,000 that this debt is odious. 308 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,030 A secret task-force is formed, and they propose that… 309 00:37:19,030 --> 00:37:23,010 the first provisional government of Iraq declare cessation of due payments… 310 00:37:23,010 --> 00:37:28,090 on the pretext that the Iraqi people must not pay the odious debt incurred… 311 00:37:28,090 --> 00:37:33,200 by the Iraqi regime. All is now ready for the attack. 312 00:38:07,090 --> 00:38:12,160 Éric Toussaint: President of CADTM - In March 2003, the USA and their allies invaded Iraq. 313 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:19,230 Three weeks later, the US Secretary for the Treasury called for a summit meeting… 314 00:38:19,230 --> 00:38:31,090 of G8 finance ministers in Washington, and announced that Hussein's debt was odious. 315 00:38:31,090 --> 00:38:40,090 He said: "Hussein's regime is dictatorial and its debt must be repudiated". 316 00:38:40,090 --> 00:38:44,070 "The new government of Iraq must be free of Hussein's debt". 317 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:07,170 George W. Bush instructed former Secretary of State, James Baker… 318 00:39:07,170 --> 00:39:11,100 to convince the international community that Iraq's debt was odious. 319 00:39:11,100 --> 00:39:15,240 And Baker claimed that Saddam Hussein wasted his people's money… 320 00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:18,180 on building palaces and buying arms. 321 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,240 Among other things, American diplomats proved that Iraq owed… 322 00:39:25,240 --> 00:39:30,120 billions of dollars to France and Russia, for the purchase of Exocet missiles… 323 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:34,100 and fighter aircraft such as Mirage F1 and MiG. 324 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:42,040 Actually, Hussein's way was not that different… 325 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:47,000 from what many Western leaders do. To the Arabs, palaces are… 326 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:51,020 what the Olympic Games are to the West: a demonstration of economic… 327 00:39:51,020 --> 00:39:53,110 and geopolitical dominance. 328 00:39:58,190 --> 00:40:01,220 The American diplomacy finally proved that Iraq's debt was odious… 329 00:40:01,220 --> 00:40:05,140 and the Iraqi people were not obliged to pay it. 330 00:40:05,140 --> 00:40:10,000 However, Washington suddenly realised that they'd pried open a can of worms. 331 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:15,040 For the first time in the 21st century, the ultimate superpower had legitimised… 332 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:19,080 the concept of odious debt. So, they chose… 333 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,170 to sweep this case under the carpet. 334 00:40:26,170 --> 00:40:33,170 The other countries said: "We'll cut 40% off Iraq's debt through the Paris Club". 335 00:40:33,170 --> 00:40:41,160 "But the concept of odious debt must not be used officially…" 336 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:49,020 "because other countries may claim this right as well". 337 00:40:49,020 --> 00:40:54,040 "For example, the DR Congo will repudiate Mobutu's debt…" 338 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:59,230 "the Philippines will refuse to pay the debt of dictator Marcos…" 339 00:40:59,230 --> 00:41:04,090 "and South Africa will refuse the debt of the apartheid regime". 340 00:41:04,090 --> 00:41:14,160 To prevent the extension of the concept of odious debt into the 21st century… 341 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:20,120 they reached an ad hoc decision on Iraq. 342 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:25,220 However, it is obvious to us that the odious debt doctrine was used. 343 00:41:37,110 --> 00:41:41,140 The USA continued to help Iraq to cancel old debts. 344 00:41:41,140 --> 00:41:44,210 But nobody in Washington ever wanted to hear again… 345 00:41:44,210 --> 00:41:47,040 the expression "odious debt". 346 00:41:58,110 --> 00:42:02,010 Iraq managed to write off a big part of its debt… 347 00:42:02,010 --> 00:42:05,130 with the support of an empire. But another country resolved… 348 00:42:05,130 --> 00:42:09,130 to stand on its own two feet and stand up against the IMF… 349 00:42:09,130 --> 00:42:14,090 and its other big lenders. They managed to prove that their debt… 350 00:42:14,090 --> 00:42:18,140 was not only odious, but also illegitimate and unconstitutional. 351 00:42:19,140 --> 00:42:21,230 Welcome to Ecuador. 352 00:42:51,150 --> 00:42:59,020 Rafael Correa President of Ecuador - We have national commitments, more urgent than international ones. 353 00:42:59,020 --> 00:43:02,170 We'll fulfill our international obligations as soon as we are able. 354 00:43:02,170 --> 00:43:05,230 But our priorities are clear. Life comes first, repaying debts second. 355 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,240 Ecuador could have been one of the richest countries in South America. 356 00:43:23,240 --> 00:43:26,110 But, from the moment that oil was discovered... 357 00:43:26,110 --> 00:43:31,240 all the country knew was dictators, poverty, debt and economic hit-men. 358 00:43:36,110 --> 00:43:40,240 John Perkins: Activist, former economic hit-man - 359 00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:22,160 In 1982, Ecuador was visited by the IMF and a committee of wise men… 360 00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:27,230 representing the country's big lenders. Ecuador had been forced to borrow… 361 00:44:27,230 --> 00:44:32,060 more and more, in order to fulfill past obligations. 362 00:44:34,030 --> 00:44:40,090 Hugo Arias: Head of Ecuador audit committee - Ecuador was constantly being looted by the countries of the North. 363 00:44:40,090 --> 00:44:47,050 For example, from 1980-1990 up to 2005… 364 00:44:47,050 --> 00:44:56,120 almost 50% of the government budget was used to repay debts. 365 00:44:56,120 --> 00:45:04,190 Namely, about 3-4 billion US dollars a year. 366 00:45:04,190 --> 00:45:10,100 Only 4% was for health care. 367 00:45:10,100 --> 00:45:12,160 Four billion for repaying debts, 400 million for health care. 368 00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:25,240 Four billion for the debt, 800 million for education. 369 00:45:25,240 --> 00:45:30,060 We were killing our own people. 370 00:45:37,140 --> 00:45:41,000 The people of Ecuador protested. For a moment… 371 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,000 things appeared to be in control when Lucio Gutiérrez took over. 372 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:50,160 Gutiérrez promised social benefits. He spoke like a socialist… 373 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:56,080 but, as soon as he took office, he made a new deal with the IMF… 374 00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,130 and implemented measures of extreme austerity. 375 00:45:60,130 --> 00:46:07,050 The people decided that he should leave with the same means of transport… 376 00:46:07,050 --> 00:46:12,100 favoured by Argentinian presidents: the chopper. 377 00:46:17,170 --> 00:46:19,210 Vice-president Palacio takes over. 378 00:46:19,210 --> 00:46:24,150 He has good intentions, but soon succumbs to Washington. 379 00:46:24,150 --> 00:46:29,030 So the people turn to the only politician who'd resisted international pressure. 380 00:46:29,030 --> 00:46:31,060 Rafael Correa. 381 00:46:32,050 --> 00:46:33,210 Song: una sola vuelta - From the first round… 382 00:46:33,210 --> 00:46:37,020 Correa, from the first round. 383 00:46:37,020 --> 00:46:44,070 Ecuador from the first round. 384 00:46:44,070 --> 00:46:47,060 Hope is triumphant. 385 00:46:47,060 --> 00:46:50,190 We are your united people. 386 00:46:50,190 --> 00:46:50,210 We stand united. 387 00:46:50,210 --> 00:46:55,110 March on, Ecuador Alliance. 388 00:46:55,110 --> 00:47:00,080 March on for justice. 389 00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,230 March on for your rights. 390 00:47:03,230 --> 00:47:08,200 March on, Correa, for Ecuador. 391 00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:12,190 From the first round… 392 00:47:12,190 --> 00:47:16,000 Correa, from the first round. 393 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:22,220 Ecuador from the first round! 394 00:47:24,070 --> 00:47:27,110 Correa studied economics in Europe and the USA… 395 00:47:27,110 --> 00:47:31,110 and knows very well how to handle the World Bank and the IMF… 396 00:47:31,110 --> 00:47:34,170 as long as one has the political will. 397 00:47:35,230 --> 00:47:40,180 As Minister of Finance, in 2005, Correa declared that it was unnatural… 398 00:47:40,180 --> 00:47:45,240 to use oil revenues in order to pay back the debt. 399 00:47:45,240 --> 00:47:55,060 This was unfair to the people. He said that 80% of the revenues… 400 00:47:55,060 --> 00:48:01,080 should be used for health benefits, education and the creation of jobs… 401 00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:06,140 and only 20% should be channeled towards repayment of the debt. 402 00:48:06,140 --> 00:48:13,070 The World Bank said that they wouldn't lend to Ecuador if such a law passed. 403 00:48:13,070 --> 00:48:26,090 This was an obvious interference with Ecuador's internal policy. 404 00:48:26,090 --> 00:48:37,080 Correa declared that he would never follow such instructions from the WB. 405 00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:42,160 He chose to resign rather than succumb. This made him very popular. 406 00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:52,040 The people said: "This man chose to resign from minister…" 407 00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:57,040 "in order to defend the dignity and the interests of the people". 408 00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:03,030 Correa was finally elected in 2006. One of his first actions was… 409 00:49:03,030 --> 00:49:06,090 to deport the representative of the World Bank… 410 00:49:06,090 --> 00:49:12,070 and ask the IMF delegation to leave the Central Bank's premises. 411 00:49:12,070 --> 00:49:16,230 Officials of the IMF such as Bob Traa, who later came to Greece… 412 00:49:16,230 --> 00:49:21,060 had already been dubbed "unwanted" by the people of Ecuador. 413 00:49:22,020 --> 00:49:27,230 Those callous, dishonest bureaucrats have to respect our country. 414 00:49:27,230 --> 00:49:39,050 This is why we deported the WB delegate. We maintain the right to restore… 415 00:49:39,050 --> 00:49:44,130 the damage done to our country and declare our debt to the WB illegitimate. 416 00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:50,110 Six months later, Correa went a step further. 417 00:49:50,110 --> 00:49:52,240 He fulfilled the demand of social organisations… 418 00:49:52,240 --> 00:49:54,200 for an Audit Committee. 419 00:49:55,090 --> 00:50:01,040 I was one of the people Correa chose for the Committee. 420 00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:08,050 18 individuals and 4 national organisations participated. 421 00:50:08,050 --> 00:50:18,160 We were to examine all debt contracts, from 1956 to 2006. 422 00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:24,170 We worked for 14 months. We examined the bond debt … 423 00:50:24,170 --> 00:50:32,020 the debts to the IMF, the World Bank and other international organisations. 424 00:50:32,020 --> 00:50:39,090 We examined the debt to countries such as France, Japan and Germany. 425 00:50:39,090 --> 00:50:43,050 Finally, we examined Ecuador's internal national debt. 426 00:50:52,070 --> 00:50:57,200 The battle to access the data was tremendous. 427 00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:03,020 In the Ministry of Finance, our associate Alejandro Olmos Jr… 428 00:51:03,020 --> 00:51:10,040 and myself, were declared "personae non gratae". 429 00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:16,160 The officials in the Ministry of Finance wrote to the Minister… 430 00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:22,200 to complain and denounce both mine and Olmos' actions… 431 00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:28,160 claiming that we were inflicting harm on the Ministry's employees. 432 00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:37,220 We laughed it off, but you imagine how difficult it was… 433 00:51:37,220 --> 00:51:43,130 after we'd been accused of being the "bad guys"… 434 00:51:43,130 --> 00:51:45,180 in that procedure. 435 00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:49,190 Despite the setbacks, the Committee managed to complete its work… 436 00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:53,240 and discovered that a big part of the debt was illegitimate. 437 00:51:53,240 --> 00:51:58,120 They acknowledged their findings to the state, who told the people. 438 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:03,100 The work of the Committee was made public, and this is very important. 439 00:52:03,100 --> 00:52:17,180 The people of Ecuador now knew why the debt contracts of past regimes… 440 00:52:17,180 --> 00:52:22,200 especially those of the year 2000, were illegitimate. 441 00:52:23,010 --> 00:52:25,170 Song: "Dale Correa Rafael" - March on, Rafael Correa! 442 00:52:25,170 --> 00:52:28,160 Our homeland is marching against… 443 00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:31,040 the decadent Congress… 444 00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:34,000 and the bureaucratic dictatorship… 445 00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:35,210 of the old politicians. 446 00:52:35,210 --> 00:52:41,600 Power belongs to the people. Your brother tells you so. 447 00:52:41,060 --> 00:52:43,210 The people of Ecuador want a new constitution. 448 00:52:43,210 --> 00:52:45,230 March on, Correa. 449 00:52:45,230 --> 00:52:49,230 Correa, strike against the "bosses" who devastated our homeland. 450 00:52:49,230 --> 00:52:52,060 March on, Correa. 451 00:52:52,060 --> 00:52:54,080 March on, Rafael Correa. 452 00:52:57,010 --> 00:53:00,020 Based on the findings of the Committee, the government proved that… 453 00:53:00,020 --> 00:53:03,090 the debt was illegitimate and declared cessation of payments… 454 00:53:03,090 --> 00:53:06,180 for 70% of Ecuador's debt in bonds. 455 00:53:07,240 --> 00:53:11,190 Those in possession of Ecuador's debt sold bonds at 20% of their value. 456 00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:11,190 The government started to buy them secretly. 457 00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:33,130 They gave 800 million dollars and bought off 3 billion dollars of debt. 458 00:53:33,130 --> 00:53:43,100 This significant reduction allowed an improvement in living conditions. 459 00:53:48,110 --> 00:53:57,180 Furthermore, they rid themselves of the interest they would have had to pay till 2012 or 2030. 460 00:53:57,180 --> 00:54:07,200 They saved at least 7 billion dollars, which was great for the country. 461 00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:13,150 This allowed the government to increase expenditure on health, education… 462 00:54:13,150 --> 00:54:18,050 the creation of new jobs, and improvement in infrastructure. 463 00:54:47,180 --> 00:54:50,000 In Greece, historians, economists and political analysts… 464 00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:54,200 use up tons of ink daily to tell us how to handle our national debt. 465 00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:02,050 Yet, there is one question very few pose. 466 00:55:02,050 --> 00:55:05,130 Do the Greek people really owe as much as their creditors claim? 467 00:55:18,180 --> 00:55:23,130 The debt incurred by Greece recently bears evidence of illegitimacy. 468 00:55:23,130 --> 00:55:38,230 For example, the authorities received "gifts" from companies such as Siemens… 469 00:55:38,230 --> 00:55:50,240 who, together with Siemens Hellas, bribed ministers and officials… 470 00:55:50,240 --> 00:55:56,160 for at least a decade, in order to gain contracts. 471 00:56:08,090 --> 00:56:13,060 In this case, we have evidence of illegality and illegitimacy. 472 00:56:13,060 --> 00:56:19,230 So, this debt should be examined in court. To me, this is evident. 473 00:56:21,150 --> 00:56:25,070 Greek justice proved inadequate in the Siemens case. 474 00:56:25,070 --> 00:56:28,200 And it was too slow in other cases of deals… 475 00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:33,140 made behind the people's back, which have increased the debt. 476 00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:56,040 With the infamous swaps of 2001, the government mortgaged the future… 477 00:56:56,040 --> 00:57:01,040 to present a false prosperous present. They made the Greek debt look lower… 478 00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:06,040 by changing a loan from JPY to EUR, using outdated exchange rates. 479 00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:10,070 They were assisted in this by Goldman Sachs, who made… 480 00:57:10,070 --> 00:57:12,160 millions out of this deal. 481 00:57:13,140 --> 00:57:17,130 Mark Kirk: US Senator - 482 00:57:34,050 --> 00:57:38,050 The trick worked for many years. And the Greek political elite… 483 00:57:38,050 --> 00:57:42,030 showed they could reward their allies amply. They re-hired… 484 00:57:42,030 --> 00:57:46,190 Goldman Sachs as consultant and paid them with the people's money. 485 00:57:48,170 --> 00:57:55,030 Jean Quatremer: Journalist, Liberation - Goldman Sachs consulted and attacked the Greek government simultaneously. 486 00:57:56,140 --> 00:58:00,050 The scandal was revealed in 2010. A few days earlier… 487 00:58:00,050 --> 00:58:02,120 a former employee of Goldman Sachs… 488 00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:07,010 had been assigned leader of the Greek Public Debt Management Agency. 489 00:58:08,210 --> 00:58:14,170 Hiring an employee of Goldman Sachs is like hiring a criminal. 490 00:58:14,170 --> 00:58:20,240 It's the same as hiring a bank robber to guard your house. 491 00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:27,030 You think that he knows how robbers think, so he'll be a better guard. 492 00:58:27,030 --> 00:58:34,090 But there's great danger that one day he'll rob you and vanish. 493 00:58:34,090 --> 00:58:38,180 Who can guarantee to me that this former Goldman Sachs man… 494 00:58:38,180 --> 00:58:42,020 will handle Greek affairs in the best possible way? 495 00:58:45,030 --> 00:58:48,100 Several countries blame Greece for her transactions with Goldman Sachs. 496 00:58:48,100 --> 00:58:52,070 Only these are the same countries who exploit their liaisons… 497 00:58:52,070 --> 00:58:55,200 with Greek governments, to sell weapons to Greece… 498 00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:58,070 at a good price. 499 00:59:00,220 --> 00:59:04,230 Sahra Wagenknecht: Deputy Chairperson, Die Linke - When, one year ago, Germany was negotiating to support Greece… 500 00:59:04,230 --> 00:59:10,170 one of the main terms was that Greece would continue to import German arms. 501 00:59:10,170 --> 00:59:18,210 Greece should cut down on pensions and social benefits, not on arms' imports. 502 00:59:18,210 --> 00:59:26,080 This is indicative of the interests involved. Germany protects… 503 00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:29,170 the interests of military equipment manufacturers, and its export industry. 504 00:59:29,170 --> 00:59:33,070 Those people want to continue trading despite the crisis. 505 00:59:40,030 --> 00:59:49,000 Daniel Cohn-Bendit : president, European Greens-European Free Alliance - We're hypocrites! Last month, France sold 6 frigates to Greece for 2.5 billion. 506 00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:55,130 Also, helicopters worth 400 million and Rafale aircraft at 100 million each. 507 00:59:55,130 --> 01:00:03,160 I don't know if we sold 10, 20, or 30. The total cost is almost 3 billion. 508 01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:11,100 Germany sold 6 submarines to Greece, worth 1 billion. 509 01:00:11,100 --> 01:00:16,160 We're such hypocrites! We give them money so they can buy our arms. 510 01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:20,070 Before the hypocrisy of Europe, criminal back-downs come… 511 01:01:20,070 --> 01:01:25,020 hand-in-hand with criminal decisions, always for "Greece's own good"… 512 01:01:25,020 --> 01:01:31,170 or to support a new Greek expansionism that will lead to economic devastation. 513 01:01:35,100 --> 01:01:41,070 Giorgos Voulgarakis Minister of Public Order, 2004-2006 514 01:02:22,050 --> 01:02:28,220 Éric Toussaint: President of CADTMT - here were huge expenses and the cost now burdens the people. 515 01:02:28,220 --> 01:02:41,180 The loans for the Olympic Games were paid with tax-payers' money. 516 01:02:41,180 --> 01:02:50,210 It's only natural that the people demand to know why the budget exploded… 517 01:02:50,210 --> 01:02:52,040 and where that money went. 518 01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:12,000 The Olympic Games and the corrupt transactions with Siemens or Goldman Sachs… 519 01:03:12,230 --> 01:03:17,190 are but a small fraction of the shady deals made at the people's expense. 520 01:03:17,190 --> 01:03:21,240 However, there are more important matters which concern… 521 01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:26,130 not only Greece, but all peripheral European countries. 522 01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:39,020 Costas Lapavitsas: Professor of Economics - Have all the rules which govern the issuing of bonds been followed? 523 01:03:39,020 --> 01:03:43,020 Also, are there any questions of legitimacy… 524 01:03:43,020 --> 01:03:47,080 about the banks who played the main role for issuing bonds… 525 01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:51,060 either in the primary or the secondary market? 526 01:03:51,060 --> 01:03:56,190 Which banks took part? How were they reimbursed? 527 01:03:56,190 --> 01:04:00,000 Under what terms and conditions did they participate? 528 01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:29,160 Sahra Wagenknecht: Deputy Chairperson, Die Linke - Part of the national debts incurred in Eurozone countries is illegitimate… 529 01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:33,180 because they resulted from policies against the people’s interests . 530 01:04:33,180 --> 01:04:37,160 So these debts must not be paid by the people. 531 01:04:44,180 --> 01:04:48,050 Ecuador demonstrated how all those illegitimate or odious contracts… 532 01:04:48,050 --> 01:04:52,090 can come to light through… 533 01:04:52,090 --> 01:04:54,040 an Audit Committee. 534 01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:57,150 Why don't they tell us what kind of debt this is? 535 01:04:57,150 --> 01:04:59,160 How much is it? How was it incurred? 536 01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:05,130 To whom do we owe money? 537 01:05:05,130 --> 01:05:12,020 This is why an audit is necessary. An audit will define… 538 01:05:12,020 --> 01:05:18,210 exactly what this debt is about. We have to know and denounce… 539 01:05:18,210 --> 01:05:23,180 all the lies told by the government and the corporations… 540 01:05:23,180 --> 01:05:29,110 who seize the Greek people's money, and all those who get amply paid… 541 01:05:29,110 --> 01:05:32,220 to parrot and praise the government. 542 01:05:39,060 --> 01:05:41,230 But who's going to set up the Audit Committee? 543 01:05:41,230 --> 01:05:45,100 And most of all, how can we make sure that it won't be… 544 01:05:45,100 --> 01:05:49,050 yet another parliament committee, consisting of the same people… 545 01:05:49,050 --> 01:05:51,210 that got us into this situation? 546 01:05:52,150 --> 01:05:57,000 The Audit Committee's members should not be specialists. It's not necessary. 547 01:05:57,000 --> 01:06:00,100 Because if the government forms a committee of specialists… 548 01:06:00,100 --> 01:06:09,000 even if they are called from abroad, even if ordinary citizens are included… 549 01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:15,100 the committee may prove to be the government's mouthpiece. 550 01:06:16,110 --> 01:06:24,150 Only the people have the authority and the right to request an audit… 551 01:06:24,150 --> 01:06:32,000 because they suffer the consequences. All Greeks must become involved. 552 01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:39,050 All social organisations must protest and demand an audit. 553 01:06:41,130 --> 01:06:54,160 The Greek political parties ND and PASOK, who benefited from the creation of debt… 554 01:06:54,160 --> 01:07:05,230 are very negative towards an audit, as their responsibility will be revealed. 555 01:07:05,230 --> 01:07:17,160 People, organisations, unions, judges, intellectuals, artists - everybody must act. 556 01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:27,030 They must express their views and exert pressure on political authority. 557 01:07:36,110 --> 01:07:39,210 In March 2011, a group of people from different backgrounds… 558 01:07:39,210 --> 01:07:42,170 took the initiative to demand the formation… 559 01:07:42,170 --> 01:07:45,180 of an Audit Committee in Greece. 560 01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:53,030 Academics, writers, artists, union representatives from all over the world… 561 01:07:53,030 --> 01:07:55,110 supported this initiative willingly. 562 01:08:01,090 --> 01:08:04,030 The Audit Committee will find which parts of the debt… 563 01:08:04,030 --> 01:08:06,090 are odious or illegitimate… 564 01:08:06,090 --> 01:08:10,240 and will prove that, as provided by Greek and International Law… 565 01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:13,110 the Greek people are not obliged to pay such debt. 566 01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:18,030 However, the decision is basically political, not financial. 567 01:08:18,030 --> 01:08:22,040 Even if the debt was legitimate, no government has the right… 568 01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:26,000 to kill its people in order to satisfy its lenders. 569 01:08:26,170 --> 01:08:31,160 Even if the entire Greek national debt of 350 billion proves legitimate… 570 01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:34,050 which is clearly not going to be the case, Greece can never pay back. 571 01:08:34,100 --> 01:08:37,050 It will have to be cancelled. 572 01:08:37,050 --> 01:08:42,240 If honouring the debt and making it sustainable involves… 573 01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:47,180 dismantling health care, dismantling education… 574 01:08:47,180 --> 01:08:51,180 dismantling the transport system, then the debt is socially unsustainable. 575 01:09:29,180 --> 01:09:32,030 Nobody is obliged to pay this debt… 576 01:09:32,030 --> 01:09:39,010 since it was accrued because of corruption in the financial markets. 577 01:09:39,130 --> 01:09:43,120 It's immoral to pay an immoral debt. 578 01:09:51,090 --> 01:09:54,110 The formation of an Audit Committee, is ultimately… 579 01:09:54,110 --> 01:09:57,200 just a valuable weapon in a broader battle. 580 01:09:57,200 --> 01:10:01,030 This battle will follow the traditional rules by which… 581 01:10:01,030 --> 01:10:04,200 battles have been fought for centuries. 582 01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:08,070 Without this battle, even if we repudiate the debt repeatedly… 583 01:10:08,070 --> 01:10:11,100 it will always rise from its ashes. 584 01:10:13,130 --> 01:10:16,040 This means that a field for ideological, political… 585 01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:18,110 and class struggle will form. The debt is a result of class struggle. 586 01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:31,020 Don't hesitate to stand up for your rights against the EU and the Greek government. 587 01:10:31,020 --> 01:10:39,020 Respect is gained through struggle, not by obeying one's creditors. 588 01:10:41,020 --> 01:10:45,020 Look at Tunisia and Egypt. 589 01:10:45,020 --> 01:10:49,060 Only when the people take action can the situation really change. 590 01:10:55,060 --> 01:11:03,120 We have to shake off submissiveness, liberate ourselves from the IMF… 591 01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:12,160 liberate ourselves from the ECB, and liberate ourselves from the EU… 592 01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:18,030 because all three mean the economic slavery of Greece. 593 01:11:21,010 --> 01:11:24,200 Giorgos Papandreou - Now is the crucial moment. 594 01:11:27,010 --> 01:11:29,200 Let's go! 595 01:11:31,010 --> 01:11:38,200 TRANSLATION - SUBTITLES ZOI SIAPANTA 55437

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