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Georgios Papadopoulos:Dictator:
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Yet once shall I attempt a comparison with doctors
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We have a patient;
we've placed him in a plaster cast.
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Dominique Strauss-Kahn: IMF Managing Director:
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As has been said before,
history has this wicked habit…
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of repeating itself «as farce».
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So, from a dictator/wannabe-doctor,
we moved on to the MDs of the IMF.
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Andreas Papandreou: PM of Greece, 1981-1990, 1993-1996: -
Everybody has to join in the struggle,
fully aware that…
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either the nation will obliterate its huge debt…
or the huge debt will obliterate the nation.
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Constantinos Mitsotakis: PM of Greece, 1990-1993:
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This year's incomes policy will be strict and austere.
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No raises will be given whatsoever.
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Costas Simitis: Greece PM, 1996-2004:
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There is no more room for benefits or tax cuts.
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Costas Karamanlis - PM of Greece, 2004-2009
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We have to cut public spending,
we have to tidy up our house.
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And this cannot be achieved
with your empty promises…
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of handing out money and privileges
at a time of such crisis.
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Giorgos Papandreou PM of Greece
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Unfortunately, our country is in the ICU.
The nation's fiscal deadlock…
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threatens our sovereignty
for the first time since 1974.
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In the last 40 years, two political
parties, 3 families of politicians…
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along with certain businessmen,
led the country to bankruptcy.
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They declared suspension of payments to
the people, in order to save their lenders.
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After decades of continuous austerity,
the Czars of the economy…
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advertised Greece as
the local financial superpower.
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Yannos Papantoniou - Minister for Finance 1994-2001:
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Our work is great. We were the first
to solve the economic problems.
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N. Christodoulakis - Minister for Finance 2001-2004:
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Once more, our economy will prove
to be our strongest asset.
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Yannos Papantoniou - Minister for Finance 1994-2001:
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The economy sprang forward and went…
from second to first league.
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When their creation crumbled, those
people said behind our back…
-
-
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that, due to some genetic disorder,
we were incapable of handling…
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our economy without foreign aid.
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Our government called us bums,
and our lenders «PIIGS»...
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as was the case with all
peripheral EU countries.
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And our ministers tried to convince us
that all of us had a part in this.
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Brian Lenihan - Ireland's Minister for Finance, 2008-2011:
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Theodoros Pangalos - Vice-president of the Greek government:
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The answer to the denouncement
of the country's politicians…
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that makes people ask us, «what
did you do with the money?» is:
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We made you civil servants!
We all had a part in this!
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So are we the prodigal children
of a neat global economy…
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and an all-successful Europe?
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Or has the system been ailing
since its youth?
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Capitalist economy in the post-war period
consists of two parts.
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Costas Lapavitsas - Professor in Economics:
-
In the first 25 years after World War II,
the growth rate was high.
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Real income rose,
as did the consumption of goods.
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Those were novel circumstances
in the history of capitalism.
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David Harvey - Social scientist
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This happy period ended
in the mid-Seventies.
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From then on, we entered a period of
low growth, recurrent crises...
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suppressed, if any, rises in workers' income—
and high unemployment.
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Mature capitalist countries
found it difficult...
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to accrue wealth.
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This period was marked by a
huge growth in the financial system…
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which was termed financialisation.
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Financialisation brought on
and intensified the crises.
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When the US housing bubble burst…
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the financial system came close
to total collapse.
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As a result, it affected the real economy,
which had its own structural problems.
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States took rescue measures.
They used tax-payers' money…
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to save the banks and restore demand.
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Thus, the financial crisis went fiscal.
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And those same banks which
were saved by the tax-payers…
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decided to bite the hand that fed them,
by gambling on state bankruptcies.
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Speculation makes things worse
in Greece, too.
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Only, this time, the problem
is even deeper.
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It's time for the Eurozone
to pay.
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King Euro proves naked, mainly
because he's a king without a state.
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Samir Amin - Economist
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There cannot be a currency
without a state.
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Despite their weaknesses,
the advantage of the US dollar...
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among other things, is that there is
a state called the USA.
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Europe does not exist
as a political entity.
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There's no legitimized political
power connecting its states.
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In my opinion,
the Eurozone is not viable.
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In contrast to the USA, where
the federal government…
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and the Federal Reserve System
intervene to ameliorate inequalities…
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among states, the Eurozone
accentuates inequality.
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This is how the PIIGS, the poor relatives
of the EU, came into existence.
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The Eurozone is divided distinctly
into central and peripheral states.
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The crisis is most intense
in the peripheral states.
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The central states, especially Germany,
are winners because of the Euro.
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The competitiveness of EU states
came to vary a lot…
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and the competitiveness of peripheral
countries fell steadily and systematically behind.
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This was directly due to the Euro.
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Éric Toussaint, president of the Committee
for the Abolition of Third World Debt
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The crisis in the EU was a result
of the way Europe was integrated.
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With Greece, it's like putting
Muhammad Ali …
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the World Heavyweight Champion,
in the ring with a featherweight boxer…
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and telling them: «Start fighting
and let's see who wins».
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Why are the peripheral countries
lagging behind in competitiveness?
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Most of all, what causes
this divergence to keep increasing?
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The myth of the "lazy periphery"
and "industrious Germany"...
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with its "high productivity" is just that.
All the German governments managed…
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was to declare war
on their own work-force...
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and freeze their salaries
for a decade.
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Sahra Wagenknecht - Deputy Chairperson, Die Linke
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In recent years, the nominal increase
in salaries was 7% (in Germany)…
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while in the Eurozone it was 27%.
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This gap logically results in loss
of competitiveness in other countries.
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When salaries go down in one country,
while they go up in all the others …
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it's only natural that the competitiveness
of the German economy is boosted…
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while the other countries
are unable to follow.
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The Eurozone countries are no longer
able to devaluate their currency.
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This resulted in the establishment
of a mechanism…
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which was bound to lead
to the results we have today.
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Costas Lapavitsas - Professor in Economics:
-
The loss of competitiveness
manifested itself in two ways…
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both of which played
a decisive part in the crisis.
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Firstly, great deficits occurred
in current transactions.
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And Greece had the greatest deficit
of all. When you're unable to compete…
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your transactions with the rest
of the world result in a deficit.
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And Greece’s deficit is huge.
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But this goes for the other
peripheral countries, as well.
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This phenomenon went hand-in-hand
with the accruing of debt.
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If you have such deficits,
you must balance them somehow.
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In the EU, Greece is the poor relative.
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Greece belongs to the European
Continent's semi-peripheral countries.
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It's evident that Greece
was bound to accrue national debt…
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given the circumstances of its
integration into European markets.
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I won't even bother with the rumour
that Greeks are lazy.
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That's pure racism.
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The Eurozone destroys the immune system
of peripheral countries…
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leaving them exposed
to the global crisis.
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The Achilles' heel of those countries
is deficit and debt.
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In our case, the debt is rooted…
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deep in the history of the Greek state.
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Manolis Glezos - historical figure of the Greek Left
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From the time of the Revolution of 1821,
our country…
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started borrowing.
And it's been borrowing ever since.
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With one exception.
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During an extraordinarily "happy" period,
Greece managed to become a lender.
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During the German Occupation,
Greece lent to Germany.
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The Germans forced Greece to become
a lender instead of a borrower.
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After the German Occupation ended,
the country resumed its traditional role;
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that of a borrower.
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And national debt as we know it,
started to rise in the 1980s.
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The high levels of national
borrowing in Greece…
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relate to Greece's
social and class structure…
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and the form the Greek economy has assumed
over the last few decades.
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It has to do with the Greek state's
systematic inability…
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to implement an effective and fair
system of taxation.
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(History of Greek sovereign debt)
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Andreas Papandreou created
the necessary welfare state
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without increasing corporate
and high income taxes.
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He saved jobs by nationalizing
loss-making private companies.
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Primarily though, he saved
the companies' owners.
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Public deficit and sovereign debt
increased dramatically.
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Mitsotakis’ government continued to borrow.
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The Maastricht treaty imposed world markets
as the only mechanism for deficit control,
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prohibiting other means of money creation.
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Debt skyrocketed with the highest
increase rate in Greek history.
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Kostas Simitis was luckier.
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«Creative accounting»,
the fall of European interest rates
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and economic growth were on his side.
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This way, he was able
to conceal the bomb
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that he placed on sovereign debt.
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During his premiership,the percentage of
debt seemed to decrease slightly.
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Kostas Karamanlis decreased
capital taxation by 10%.
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The economic free fall accelerated
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and debt exploded once more.
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Most countries in a similar situation
were visited by the IMF.
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But none paid as dearly
as Argentina…
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Greece's mirror image
on the other side of the Atlantic.
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Argentina fell into the debt trap
at the same time as Greece…
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in 1824, with the first British loans.
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But the noose tightened
towards the end of the 20th century.
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Argentina locked the rate
of its peso against the US dollar.
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This made it impossible for them,
to exercise a monetary policy.
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Argentina experienced
its own Eurozone.
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Only, instead of Berlin, they were up
against Washington DC.
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M. Camdessus - IMF Managing Director, 1987-2000:
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At the same time, the IMF
turned the country into...
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yet another experimental laboratory
for Neoliberalism.
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(Excerpt from the documentary film The Take)
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Avi Lewis - Film-maker / Journalist:
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Gerard Dumenil - Economist
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After Argentina's economic
collapse in 2001...
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the IMF and its Neoliberal theories...
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became the laughing stock
of economists all over the world.
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But some monsters never die.
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(I have 3 children and no job, please help)
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Greece will pay dearl
for the intervention of the IMF.
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And, in some cases, she will
even pay for it in advance.
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Ron Paul -
Republican Congressman -
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Ben Bernanke
Chairman of FED -
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Argentina was confronted
by the IMF alone.
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But Greece found herself
serving two masters.
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Because, in Europe, Neoliberal
theories were also being promoted…
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by the European Central Bank.
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Ironically enough, in the case of Greece…
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the IMF was softer than the EU.
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The measures applied in collaboration
with the IMF, the ECB and the EU…
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are not only unfair
and dangerous to the Greek people.
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They're also doomed to fail
right from the start.
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They have a tragic impact
on the people's quality of life…
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and on their daily life even.
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And it's highly unlikely that
they will have a positive effect…
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on the economy in general, and
the management of national debt.
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Like in Argentina, the target was
to save not the economy…
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but rather the banks and the big enterprises.
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The measures taken now are
stabilization measures …
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to prevent Greece from proceeding
to a cessation of due payments.
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They are not measures
which will reduce the debt.
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It is more than obvious that the debt
will continue to increase quickly…
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regardless of the measures,
and, indeed, as a result of them.
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The measures aim clearly
to protect the lenders…
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to protect the banks.
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Within a few months, the Greek
government gave the banks…
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EUR 108 billion…
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which is almost the entire rescue
package received from the IMF and the EU.
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(Excerpt from the documentary film Social Genocide)
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When Argentina faced
a similar situation…
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several of those responsible
were punished.
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The image of presidents leaving
the presidential palace in choppers…
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still haunts both the IMF
and its collaborators.
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One magical night,
just like in Argentina…
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we'll see who gets
to hop into the chopper first!
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Year #1 after the IMF intervention.
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Greece has entered an intensive programme
of "purging" procedures, "asset utilisation"…
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"rationalisation measures" and "tidying up".
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The delegates of the IMF, EUand ECB have
taken up permanent residence in Athens…
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and are dictating their policy through
an unconstitutional memorandum.
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Dominique Strauss - Kahn IMF Managing Director -
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What is Greece today?
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Are we a free country? Yes.
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Are we independent?
No, we've been reduced to vassals.
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Freedom is one thing,
sovereignty quite another.
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Our country's problem is that
she has lost her sovereignty.
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In splendid collaboration
with their foreign lenders…
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the government has turned against the people
with harsh austerity measures.
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The result is poverty, failed businessed,
and unemployment.
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We consider the centre of Athens to be…
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N. Kanakis : president - Doctors of the World – Greece
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facing a humanitarian crisis.
All the distinctive features are there;
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people who are hungry or homeless,
who lack medication and healthcare.
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And they just wander around the squares.
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It's not much different from what
we see in Third World countries.
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You have to remember that we deal
with the poorest of the poor.
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There are people who still maintain
some social security rights…
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but that is not enough,
as a poor woman-pensioner indicated.
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She said: "I buy either food or
medicine. I can't afford both".
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The government's measures
are not simply worsening…
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the citizens' living conditions. They pose
an immediate threat to their lives.
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Panos Papanicolaou: Neurosurgeon
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In all of the countries "supported"
by the IMF up to now…
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there has been a dramatic drop
in average life expectancy
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It's what we usually refer to
as the average lifespan.
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There were countries where,
after the IMF ordeal…
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the average lifespan fell by 5-10 years.
With the cuts we are facing now…
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it's clear that our life expectancy
will be greatly reduced.
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The citizens react.
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The government's response is in breach of
even the basic principles of democracy…
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The penalisation of wearing a hood,
the unjustified arrests and…
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the hood-wearing policemen,
all border on the para-state.
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This liberality with tear-gas leaves us
no money for free education
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Alain Badiou Philosopher: Philosopher
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Crises are always solved through measures
against society and against the people…
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which may be particularly harsh.
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This is how capitalism
controls the situation.
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The problem of capitalism is
how to get these measures accepted.
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For that, violence is deployed.
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In response to
the "financial gale" alert…
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Democracy makes way for
Debtocracy.
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Poor people, don't eat each other.
Eat the rich, they're plumper!
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A crisis of capitalism causes
extensive devaluation.
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The value is lost through
financial speculation.
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Somebody has to pay
for this devaluation.
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However, the capitalists
do not intend to pay for it.
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They're not at all altruistic.
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But if those who caused the crisis
do not intend to pay for it…
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why should we pay?
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In the past, dozens of countries
have successfully repudiated debts…
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not incurred by their citizens,
in accordance with provisions…
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of the international law, such as
the concept of odious debt.
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The history of odious debt [animation]
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Our story starts in the 1920s,
with Alexander Sack.
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Sack was a minister and law specialist
in Czarist Russia.
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After the 1917 Revolution, he taught
in universities of Europe and the USA.
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In 1927, he came up with
a brilliant concept:
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the concept of odious debt.
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In order to define a debt as odious,
three prerequisites are needed.
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1. The government of the country
receives a loan…
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without the knowledge and approval
of the people.
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2. The loan is spent on activities
not beneficial to the people.
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3. The lenders know of this situation…
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but play possum.
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Sack's proposals sound progressive,
even revolutionary.
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Actually, at that time, they served
the interests…
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of a rising superpower:
the United States of America.
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The USA had found themselves in need
of the "odious debt" concept in 1898…
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when they won the Spanish-American war
and annexed Cuba.
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Their problem was that,
together with Cuba…
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they acquired the debt incurred
by the Spanish colonial regime.
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And, since Spanish colonialism
had lasted four centuries…
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from 1492, when Columbus set foot
in America, till 1898…
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that debt was quite heavy.
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Of course, the USA had no intention
of paying for the mistakes of past regimes.
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They decided that Cuba's debt
was odious…
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and simply refused to pay it.
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The same had happened in Mexico
a few decades earlier.
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When the Republicans overthrew
emperor Maximilian I…
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they decided that the debt
he had incurred was odious.
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Maximilian had borrowed huge sums
at excessively high interest rates…
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to deal with the uprising
against him.
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And since he owed a lot,
mainly to the people of Mexico…
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he was sentenced to death
and sent to the firing squad.
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In the late 19th-early 20th century,
most instances of odious debt…
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concerned underdeveloped countries
on the American continent.
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Actually, a rising superpower was
involved in all those debt repudiations:
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the United States of America.
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And this same superpower
brought the concept of odious debt…
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into the 21st century.
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December 2002: the White House
is putting the finishing touches…
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to the planned invasion
and occupation of Iraq.
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Before the attack starts, however,
American officials…
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are preparing for the day after
Saddam Hussein's overthrowal.
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The State Department knows that
they will have to deal with…
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Iraq's huge national debt.
Therefore, they are trying to prove…
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that this debt is odious.
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A secret task-force is formed,
and they propose that…
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the first provisional government of Iraq
declare cessation of due payments…
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on the pretext that the Iraqi people
must not pay the odious debt incurred…
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by the Iraqi regime.
All is now ready for the attack.
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Éric Toussaint: President of CADTM
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In March 2003, the USA and their allies
invaded Iraq.
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Three weeks later, the US Secretary
for the Treasury called for a summit meeting…
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of G8 finance ministers in Washington, and
announced that Hussein's debt was odious.
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He said: "Hussein's regime is dictatorial
and its debt must be repudiated".
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"The new government of Iraq
must be free of Hussein's debt".
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George W. Bush instructed former
Secretary of State, James Baker…
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to convince the international community
that Iraq's debt was odious.
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And Baker claimed that Saddam Hussein
wasted his people's money…
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on building palaces and buying arms.
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Among other things, American diplomats
proved that Iraq owed…
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billions of dollars to France and Russia,
for the purchase of Exocet missiles…
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and fighter aircraft such as
Mirage F1 and MiG.
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Actually, Hussein's way
was not that different…
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from what many Western leaders do.
To the Arabs, palaces are…
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what the Olympic Games are to the West:
a demonstration of economic…
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and geopolitical dominance.
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The American diplomacy finally proved
that Iraq's debt was odious…
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and the Iraqi people were
not obliged to pay it.
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However, Washington suddenly realised
that they'd pried open a can of worms.
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For the first time in the 21st century,
the ultimate superpower had legitimised…
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the concept of odious debt.
So, they chose…
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to sweep this case under the carpet.
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The other countries said: "We'll cut 40%
off Iraq's debt through the Paris Club".
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"But the concept of odious debt
must not be used officially…"
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"because other countries may claim
this right as well".
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"For example, the DR Congo
will repudiate Mobutu's debt…"
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"the Philippines will refuse
to pay the debt of dictator Marcos…"
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"and South Africa will refuse
the debt of the apartheid regime".
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To prevent the extension of the concept
of odious debt into the 21st century…
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they reached an ad hoc decision
on Iraq.
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However, it is obvious to us that
the odious debt doctrine was used.
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The USA continued to help Iraq
to cancel old debts.
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But nobody in Washington
ever wanted to hear again…
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the expression "odious debt".
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Iraq managed to write off
a big part of its debt…
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with the support of an empire.
But another country resolved…
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to stand on its own two feet
and stand up against the IMF…
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and its other big lenders.
They managed to prove that their debt…
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was not only odious, but also
illegitimate and unconstitutional.
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Welcome to Ecuador.
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Rafael Correa President of Ecuador
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We have national commitments,
more urgent than international ones.
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We'll fulfill our international
obligations as soon as we are able.
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But our priorities are clear.
Life comes first, repaying debts second.
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Ecuador could have been one of
the richest countries in South America.
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But, from the moment that
oil was discovered...
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all the country knew was dictators,
poverty, debt and economic hit-men.
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John Perkins: Activist, former economic hit-man
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In 1982, Ecuador was visited by the IMF
and a committee of wise men…
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representing the country's big lenders.
Ecuador had been forced to borrow…
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more and more, in order to fulfill past obligations.
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Hugo Arias: Head of Ecuador audit committee
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Ecuador was constantly being looted
by the countries of the North.
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For example, from 1980-1990
up to 2005…
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almost 50% of the government budget
was used to repay debts.
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Namely, about
3-4 billion US dollars a year.
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Only 4% was for health care.
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Four billion for repaying debts,
400 million for health care.
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Four billion for the debt,
800 million for education.
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We were killing our own people.
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The people of Ecuador protested.
For a moment…
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things appeared to be in control
when Lucio Gutiérrez took over.
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Gutiérrez promised social benefits.
He spoke like a socialist…
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but, as soon as he took office,
he made a new deal with the IMF…
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and implemented measures
of extreme austerity.
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The people decided that he should leave
with the same means of transport…
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favoured by Argentinian presidents:
the chopper.
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Vice-president Palacio takes over.
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He has good intentions, but soon
succumbs to Washington.
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So the people turn to the only politician
who'd resisted international pressure.
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Rafael Correa.
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Song: una sola vuelta
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From the first round…
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Correa, from the first round.
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Ecuador from the first round.
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Hope is triumphant.
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We are your united people.
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We stand united.
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March on, Ecuador Alliance.
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March on for justice.
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March on for your rights.
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March on, Correa, for Ecuador.
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From the first round…
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Correa, from the first round.
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Ecuador from the first round!
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Correa studied economics
in Europe and the USA…
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and knows very well how to handle
the World Bank and the IMF…
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as long as one has the political will.
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As Minister of Finance, in 2005,
Correa declared that it was unnatural…
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to use oil revenues
in order to pay back the debt.
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This was unfair to the people.
He said that 80% of the revenues…
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should be used for health benefits,
education and the creation of jobs…
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and only 20% should be channeled
towards repayment of the debt.
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The World Bank said that they wouldn't
lend to Ecuador if such a law passed.
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This was an obvious interference
with Ecuador's internal policy.
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Correa declared that he would never
follow such instructions from the WB.
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He chose to resign rather than succumb.
This made him very popular.
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The people said: "This man
chose to resign from minister…"
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"in order to defend the dignity
and the interests of the people".
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Correa was finally elected in 2006.
One of his first actions was…
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to deport the representative of
the World Bank…
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and ask the IMF delegation
to leave the Central Bank's premises.
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Officials of the IMF such as Bob Traa,
who later came to Greece…
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had already been dubbed "unwanted"
by the people of Ecuador.
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Those callous, dishonest bureaucrats
have to respect our country.
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This is why we deported the WB delegate.
We maintain the right to restore…
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the damage done to our country and
declare our debt to the WB illegitimate.
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Six months later, Correa
went a step further.
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He fulfilled the demand
of social organisations…
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for an Audit Committee.
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I was one of the people
Correa chose for the Committee.
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18 individuals and 4 national
organisations participated.
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We were to examine all debt contracts,
from 1956 to 2006.
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We worked for 14 months.
We examined the bond debt …
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the debts to the IMF, the World Bank
and other international organisations.
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We examined the debt to countries
such as France, Japan and Germany.
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Finally, we examined Ecuador's
internal national debt.
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The battle to access the data
was tremendous.
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In the Ministry of Finance, our
associate Alejandro Olmos Jr…
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and myself, were declared
"personae non gratae".
429
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:16,160
The officials in the Ministry of Finance
wrote to the Minister…
430
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:22,200
to complain and denounce
both mine and Olmos' actions…
431
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:28,160
claiming that we were inflicting
harm on the Ministry's employees.
432
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:37,220
We laughed it off, but you imagine
how difficult it was…
433
00:51:37,220 --> 00:51:43,130
after we'd been accused
of being the "bad guys"…
434
00:51:43,130 --> 00:51:45,180
in that procedure.
435
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:49,190
Despite the setbacks, the Committee
managed to complete its work…
436
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:53,240
and discovered that a big part
of the debt was illegitimate.
437
00:51:53,240 --> 00:51:58,120
They acknowledged their findings
to the state, who told the people.
438
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:03,100
The work of the Committee was made
public, and this is very important.
439
00:52:03,100 --> 00:52:17,180
The people of Ecuador now knew
why the debt contracts of past regimes…
440
00:52:17,180 --> 00:52:22,200
especially those of the year 2000,
were illegitimate.
441
00:52:23,010 --> 00:52:25,170
Song: "Dale Correa Rafael"
-
March on, Rafael Correa!
442
00:52:25,170 --> 00:52:28,160
Our homeland is marching against…
443
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:31,040
the decadent Congress…
444
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:34,000
and the bureaucratic dictatorship…
445
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:35,210
of the old politicians.
446
00:52:35,210 --> 00:52:41,600
Power belongs to the people.
Your brother tells you so.
447
00:52:41,060 --> 00:52:43,210
The people of Ecuador
want a new constitution.
448
00:52:43,210 --> 00:52:45,230
March on, Correa.
449
00:52:45,230 --> 00:52:49,230
Correa, strike against the "bosses"
who devastated our homeland.
450
00:52:49,230 --> 00:52:52,060
March on, Correa.
451
00:52:52,060 --> 00:52:54,080
March on, Rafael Correa.
452
00:52:57,010 --> 00:53:00,020
Based on the findings of the Committee,
the government proved that…
453
00:53:00,020 --> 00:53:03,090
the debt was illegitimate
and declared cessation of payments…
454
00:53:03,090 --> 00:53:06,180
for 70% of Ecuador's debt in bonds.
455
00:53:07,240 --> 00:53:11,190
Those in possession of Ecuador's debt
sold bonds at 20% of their value.
456
00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:11,190
The government started
to buy them secretly.
457
00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:33,130
They gave 800 million dollars and
bought off 3 billion dollars of debt.
458
00:53:33,130 --> 00:53:43,100
This significant reduction allowed
an improvement in living conditions.
459
00:53:48,110 --> 00:53:57,180
Furthermore, they rid themselves of the interest
they would have had to pay till 2012 or 2030.
460
00:53:57,180 --> 00:54:07,200
They saved at least 7 billion dollars,
which was great for the country.
461
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:13,150
This allowed the government to increase
expenditure on health, education…
462
00:54:13,150 --> 00:54:18,050
the creation of new jobs,
and improvement in infrastructure.
463
00:54:47,180 --> 00:54:50,000
In Greece, historians,
economists and political analysts…
464
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:54,200
use up tons of ink daily to tell us
how to handle our national debt.
465
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:02,050
Yet, there is one question
very few pose.
466
00:55:02,050 --> 00:55:05,130
Do the Greek people really owe
as much as their creditors claim?
467
00:55:18,180 --> 00:55:23,130
The debt incurred by Greece recently
bears evidence of illegitimacy.
468
00:55:23,130 --> 00:55:38,230
For example, the authorities received
"gifts" from companies such as Siemens…
469
00:55:38,230 --> 00:55:50,240
who, together with Siemens Hellas,
bribed ministers and officials…
470
00:55:50,240 --> 00:55:56,160
for at least a decade,
in order to gain contracts.
471
00:56:08,090 --> 00:56:13,060
In this case, we have evidence
of illegality and illegitimacy.
472
00:56:13,060 --> 00:56:19,230
So, this debt should be examined
in court. To me, this is evident.
473
00:56:21,150 --> 00:56:25,070
Greek justice proved inadequate
in the Siemens case.
474
00:56:25,070 --> 00:56:28,200
And it was too slow
in other cases of deals…
475
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:33,140
made behind the people's back,
which have increased the debt.
476
00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:56,040
With the infamous swaps of 2001,
the government mortgaged the future…
477
00:56:56,040 --> 00:57:01,040
to present a false prosperous present.
They made the Greek debt look lower…
478
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:06,040
by changing a loan from JPY to EUR,
using outdated exchange rates.
479
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:10,070
They were assisted in this
by Goldman Sachs, who made…
480
00:57:10,070 --> 00:57:12,160
millions out of this deal.
481
00:57:13,140 --> 00:57:17,130
Mark Kirk: US Senator
-
482
00:57:34,050 --> 00:57:38,050
The trick worked for many years.
And the Greek political elite…
483
00:57:38,050 --> 00:57:42,030
showed they could reward
their allies amply. They re-hired…
484
00:57:42,030 --> 00:57:46,190
Goldman Sachs as consultant and
paid them with the people's money.
485
00:57:48,170 --> 00:57:55,030
Jean Quatremer: Journalist, Liberation
-
Goldman Sachs consulted and attacked
the Greek government simultaneously.
486
00:57:56,140 --> 00:58:00,050
The scandal was revealed in 2010.
A few days earlier…
487
00:58:00,050 --> 00:58:02,120
a former employee of Goldman Sachs…
488
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:07,010
had been assigned leader of the Greek
Public Debt Management Agency.
489
00:58:08,210 --> 00:58:14,170
Hiring an employee of Goldman
Sachs is like hiring a criminal.
490
00:58:14,170 --> 00:58:20,240
It's the same as hiring a bank robber
to guard your house.
491
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:27,030
You think that he knows how robbers
think, so he'll be a better guard.
492
00:58:27,030 --> 00:58:34,090
But there's great danger that one day
he'll rob you and vanish.
493
00:58:34,090 --> 00:58:38,180
Who can guarantee to me that
this former Goldman Sachs man…
494
00:58:38,180 --> 00:58:42,020
will handle Greek affairs
in the best possible way?
495
00:58:45,030 --> 00:58:48,100
Several countries blame Greece
for her transactions with Goldman Sachs.
496
00:58:48,100 --> 00:58:52,070
Only these are the same countries
who exploit their liaisons…
497
00:58:52,070 --> 00:58:55,200
with Greek governments,
to sell weapons to Greece…
498
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:58,070
at a good price.
499
00:59:00,220 --> 00:59:04,230
Sahra Wagenknecht: Deputy Chairperson, Die Linke
-
When, one year ago, Germany
was negotiating to support Greece…
500
00:59:04,230 --> 00:59:10,170
one of the main terms was that Greece
would continue to import German arms.
501
00:59:10,170 --> 00:59:18,210
Greece should cut down on pensions and
social benefits, not on arms' imports.
502
00:59:18,210 --> 00:59:26,080
This is indicative of the interests
involved. Germany protects…
503
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:29,170
the interests of military equipment
manufacturers, and its export industry.
504
00:59:29,170 --> 00:59:33,070
Those people want to continue trading
despite the crisis.
505
00:59:40,030 --> 00:59:49,000
Daniel Cohn-Bendit : president,
European Greens-European Free Alliance
-
We're hypocrites! Last month, France
sold 6 frigates to Greece for 2.5 billion.
506
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:55,130
Also, helicopters worth 400 million
and Rafale aircraft at 100 million each.
507
00:59:55,130 --> 01:00:03,160
I don't know if we sold 10, 20, or 30.
The total cost is almost 3 billion.
508
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:11,100
Germany sold 6 submarines
to Greece, worth 1 billion.
509
01:00:11,100 --> 01:00:16,160
We're such hypocrites! We give them
money so they can buy our arms.
510
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:20,070
Before the hypocrisy of Europe,
criminal back-downs come…
511
01:01:20,070 --> 01:01:25,020
hand-in-hand with criminal decisions,
always for "Greece's own good"…
512
01:01:25,020 --> 01:01:31,170
or to support a new Greek expansionism
that will lead to economic devastation.
513
01:01:35,100 --> 01:01:41,070
Giorgos Voulgarakis
Minister of Public Order, 2004-2006
514
01:02:22,050 --> 01:02:28,220
Éric Toussaint: President of CADTMT
-
here were huge expenses and
the cost now burdens the people.
515
01:02:28,220 --> 01:02:41,180
The loans for the Olympic Games
were paid with tax-payers' money.
516
01:02:41,180 --> 01:02:50,210
It's only natural that the people demand
to know why the budget exploded…
517
01:02:50,210 --> 01:02:52,040
and where that money went.
518
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:12,000
The Olympic Games and the corrupt
transactions with Siemens or Goldman Sachs…
519
01:03:12,230 --> 01:03:17,190
are but a small fraction of the shady
deals made at the people's expense.
520
01:03:17,190 --> 01:03:21,240
However, there are more important
matters which concern…
521
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:26,130
not only Greece, but all
peripheral European countries.
522
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:39,020
Costas Lapavitsas: Professor of Economics
-
Have all the rules which govern
the issuing of bonds been followed?
523
01:03:39,020 --> 01:03:43,020
Also, are there any questions
of legitimacy…
524
01:03:43,020 --> 01:03:47,080
about the banks who played
the main role for issuing bonds…
525
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:51,060
either in the primary
or the secondary market?
526
01:03:51,060 --> 01:03:56,190
Which banks took part?
How were they reimbursed?
527
01:03:56,190 --> 01:04:00,000
Under what terms and conditions
did they participate?
528
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:29,160
Sahra Wagenknecht: Deputy Chairperson, Die Linke
-
Part of the national debts incurred
in Eurozone countries is illegitimate…
529
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:33,180
because they resulted from policies
against the people’s interests .
530
01:04:33,180 --> 01:04:37,160
So these debts must not
be paid by the people.
531
01:04:44,180 --> 01:04:48,050
Ecuador demonstrated how all those
illegitimate or odious contracts…
532
01:04:48,050 --> 01:04:52,090
can come to light through…
533
01:04:52,090 --> 01:04:54,040
an Audit Committee.
534
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:57,150
Why don't they tell us
what kind of debt this is?
535
01:04:57,150 --> 01:04:59,160
How much is it?
How was it incurred?
536
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:05,130
To whom do we owe money?
537
01:05:05,130 --> 01:05:12,020
This is why an audit is necessary.
An audit will define…
538
01:05:12,020 --> 01:05:18,210
exactly what this debt is about.
We have to know and denounce…
539
01:05:18,210 --> 01:05:23,180
all the lies told by
the government and the corporations…
540
01:05:23,180 --> 01:05:29,110
who seize the Greek people's money,
and all those who get amply paid…
541
01:05:29,110 --> 01:05:32,220
to parrot and praise the government.
542
01:05:39,060 --> 01:05:41,230
But who's going to set up
the Audit Committee?
543
01:05:41,230 --> 01:05:45,100
And most of all, how can we
make sure that it won't be…
544
01:05:45,100 --> 01:05:49,050
yet another parliament committee,
consisting of the same people…
545
01:05:49,050 --> 01:05:51,210
that got us into this situation?
546
01:05:52,150 --> 01:05:57,000
The Audit Committee's members should
not be specialists. It's not necessary.
547
01:05:57,000 --> 01:06:00,100
Because if the government forms
a committee of specialists…
548
01:06:00,100 --> 01:06:09,000
even if they are called from abroad,
even if ordinary citizens are included…
549
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:15,100
the committee may prove
to be the government's mouthpiece.
550
01:06:16,110 --> 01:06:24,150
Only the people have the authority
and the right to request an audit…
551
01:06:24,150 --> 01:06:32,000
because they suffer the consequences.
All Greeks must become involved.
552
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:39,050
All social organisations must
protest and demand an audit.
553
01:06:41,130 --> 01:06:54,160
The Greek political parties ND and PASOK,
who benefited from the creation of debt…
554
01:06:54,160 --> 01:07:05,230
are very negative towards an audit, as
their responsibility will be revealed.
555
01:07:05,230 --> 01:07:17,160
People, organisations, unions, judges,
intellectuals, artists - everybody must act.
556
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:27,030
They must express their views and exert
pressure on political authority.
557
01:07:36,110 --> 01:07:39,210
In March 2011, a group of people
from different backgrounds…
558
01:07:39,210 --> 01:07:42,170
took the initiative to demand
the formation…
559
01:07:42,170 --> 01:07:45,180
of an Audit Committee in Greece.
560
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:53,030
Academics, writers, artists, union
representatives from all over the world…
561
01:07:53,030 --> 01:07:55,110
supported this initiative willingly.
562
01:08:01,090 --> 01:08:04,030
The Audit Committee will find
which parts of the debt…
563
01:08:04,030 --> 01:08:06,090
are odious or illegitimate…
564
01:08:06,090 --> 01:08:10,240
and will prove that, as provided by
Greek and International Law…
565
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:13,110
the Greek people are not
obliged to pay such debt.
566
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:18,030
However, the decision is basically
political, not financial.
567
01:08:18,030 --> 01:08:22,040
Even if the debt was legitimate,
no government has the right…
568
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:26,000
to kill its people
in order to satisfy its lenders.
569
01:08:26,170 --> 01:08:31,160
Even if the entire Greek national debt
of 350 billion proves legitimate…
570
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:34,050
which is clearly not going to be the case,
Greece can never pay back.
571
01:08:34,100 --> 01:08:37,050
It will have to be cancelled.
572
01:08:37,050 --> 01:08:42,240
If honouring the debt and
making it sustainable involves…
573
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:47,180
dismantling health care,
dismantling education…
574
01:08:47,180 --> 01:08:51,180
dismantling the transport system,
then the debt is socially unsustainable.
575
01:09:29,180 --> 01:09:32,030
Nobody is obliged to pay this debt…
576
01:09:32,030 --> 01:09:39,010
since it was accrued because of
corruption in the financial markets.
577
01:09:39,130 --> 01:09:43,120
It's immoral to pay an immoral debt.
578
01:09:51,090 --> 01:09:54,110
The formation of an Audit Committee,
is ultimately…
579
01:09:54,110 --> 01:09:57,200
just a valuable weapon
in a broader battle.
580
01:09:57,200 --> 01:10:01,030
This battle will follow
the traditional rules by which…
581
01:10:01,030 --> 01:10:04,200
battles have been fought
for centuries.
582
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:08,070
Without this battle, even if we
repudiate the debt repeatedly…
583
01:10:08,070 --> 01:10:11,100
it will always rise
from its ashes.
584
01:10:13,130 --> 01:10:16,040
This means that a field
for ideological, political…
585
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:18,110
and class struggle will form.
The debt is a result of class struggle.
586
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:31,020
Don't hesitate to stand up for your rights
against the EU and the Greek government.
587
01:10:31,020 --> 01:10:39,020
Respect is gained through struggle,
not by obeying one's creditors.
588
01:10:41,020 --> 01:10:45,020
Look at Tunisia and Egypt.
589
01:10:45,020 --> 01:10:49,060
Only when the people take action
can the situation really change.
590
01:10:55,060 --> 01:11:03,120
We have to shake off submissiveness,
liberate ourselves from the IMF…
591
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:12,160
liberate ourselves from the ECB,
and liberate ourselves from the EU…
592
01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:18,030
because all three mean
the economic slavery of Greece.
593
01:11:21,010 --> 01:11:24,200
Giorgos Papandreou
-
Now is the crucial moment.
594
01:11:27,010 --> 01:11:29,200
Let's go!
595
01:11:31,010 --> 01:11:38,200
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