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Literally, for centuries in this country, in every country,
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people have been going to war,
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they've had skirmishes,
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they've been in battle, and when they come home from these battles,
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everybody says the same thing:
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"My loved one came home a different person."
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Every war fighter that went to war kicked a door, did some stuff,
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came home and said, "You know what? I don't feel like the same
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person."
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Well, they're not, we're not, I'm not...
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I still have PTSD from being an infantryman in the Marines.
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You see stuff, and you lose brothers, you lose friends.
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He was under so many drugs that they gave him,
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that he was like a zombie, and he wanted
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to just let the pain go.
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My history with the zombie dope started at Walter Reed Army Medical Center,
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when a field grade officer officer gave me my first prescription of Seroquel,
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couldn't do it on the dope, it's all bad, it was just all
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bad, but I got off of it.
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Nobody was in tune, and my son died,
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he took his own life because of that drug. This study is built
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around the idea that we were looking for veterans with combat related trauma
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because we felt that there was such a dire need with the epidemic
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of veteran suicide in this country. Marijuana 100% saved my life,
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it created lives, as in my daughters,
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and then all my buddies that I'm helping that... That are along the
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process.
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Josh is US Marine Corps combat veteran of 3rd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment,
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who was one of the very last casualties of the Battle of Fallujah in
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2004, the largest urban combat operation since the Vietnam War. Josh was
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part of a six week battle that involved vicious street by street and house
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by house fighting against an entrenched enemy that left nearly 100 American
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soldiers and Marines dead,
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and 560 wounded. Charlie, oh my gosh, holy moly, hey babe. Josh was
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awarded his first Purple Heart in November 2002, when he was knocked unconscious
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and suffered other wounds from a rocket propelled grenade blast. That's
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what I tell everybody, "Google that shit: '3rd Battalion 1st Marines in
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Fallujah.'" Less than a month later, he took a more serious wound when
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he got in a gunfight with an Iraqi insurgent while clearing a house
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in Fallujah. Pillows, decorative pillows. Wow! A new blanket... Looks like
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you went to grandma's house actually. He needed six blood transfusions to
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keep him alive, and eventually underwent 22 operations.
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Josh is an ambassador from the veteran community and an outspoken advocate
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for medical cannabis research. Without medical marijuana,
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I couldn't get up here and speak, I couldn't even get on a
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plane, I couldn't take my kids to school, I couldn't go to the
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grocery store, I couldn't do any of that. And with medical marijuana
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I can do all that and then some. And I stay in the
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community. Yeah, I have lots of limitations. You may look at me,
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I'm totally fine but if I had some cut offs on...
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It's pretty serious stuff, but to have the VA tell you you're doing
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something bad
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because it's illegal... It was voted on by guys that are probably dead
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now, long gone,
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we need to come, stop the madness, we need to get this stuff
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on the books, we wanna save guys.
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This is the real action, the pot partying, the trippers, the grasshoppers,
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the hip ones, all gathered in secrecy and flying high as a kite. Outside
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the boundaries of their phony world of kicks is the ever present possibility
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of discovery. This must be avoided at all costs, for discovery brings with
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it the penalties of society: Shame; arrest; prison. So destroy the evidence,
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leave not a trace, burn it in paper trash, that way,
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they can deny possessing the illegal marijuana. Let's go back to 2003,
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2003 is when I joined the Marine Corps at age 26 years old.
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I go to boot camp, I get on those yellow footprints;
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man, my life changed forever and...
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I was in a battle of Fallujah, Operation Phantom Fury. Fallujah was like
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the hot spot where all the bad guys... Even Saddam Hussein was like...
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Just left Fallujah alone.
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Two weeks before I got shot, my second Purple Heart, I received my
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first Purple Heart, an RPG blew up,
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I was up in the gun, and we had been... We had inched by a
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couple of weeks in, and was just serious fighting,
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just serious fighting, like the tanks and door to door. Everything was just
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going on. No, I wasn't happy to go up in the gun,
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but it's like... Yeah, I was replacing it 'cause Lance Corporal Burns got
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shot in his head and he was one of the best gunners
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in the platoon, and he got shot the first day.
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So that's when we were like, "Shit's gotten real." Hey, what bullshit gear
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we got out there? What was it? His Kevlar? Yeah, I mean do
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you... You have his Kevlar? Yeah. Right here. Hit right here. Okay. It's
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in the back of the head.
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And he pulled that outta there? Yeah, he's freaking... You see right there,
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so
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I don't know, maybe he hit his head and bounced off or something,
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I don't know. It's weird. Ricocheted all around.
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And then I see these... I see this RPG, the guy with RPG, and
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basically, we're sitting at an intersection. There's a house here, and I
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can look all over and I can see down the street.
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And I'm like, "Oh there's a dude with the RPG." And I'm like,
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"RPG!" And then I come back and then he didn't shoot.
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And then I looked back for a third time and then it's like, "Shoot!" And
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it just goes dink, dink, dink. I'm like, "Oh, it's a dud", boom!
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And then I just woke up on the gun, I don't know how
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the hell I didn't freaking get my face blown off or anything,
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but it was just like burns and scrapes, but I was,
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man, just so lucky, but not... And then
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this goes into the day I got shot two weeks later,
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and we were starting to come down. We knew we were going home
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soon, too, 'cause on paper, we were supposed to go home in two
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weeks.
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December 11th, we'll go back to December 11th, 2004.
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I was in a CAT team, combined anti armor team, and with basically
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four vehicles. The lead vehicle's the 50 cal, and then I was the
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rear vehicle, rear security with the Mark 19 grenade launcher.
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So, at this point we'd already shot... I'd probably already shot about 3,000
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Mark rounds. Yeah. That's what I'm talking about. This Frank Dizzle, my
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nizzle. We're getting so close to going home, all we could think about
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was America and going home. And then Platoon Sergeant comes in and is like,
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"Hey, we gotta go back out, be on the trucks at 06:00." Man, and
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so we go to the mayor's house in Fallujah. That was basically our
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AO. We were just gonna go. And some guys are on top of
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the house doing the OP. And then we see a guy run across
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the street and kneel down. And it was like, "Guys, guys!"
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And then my buddy, Dickinson, first thing he does is he jumps out
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and he ran down. And him and there was... I forget the other
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two Marines, and they all went down and then it was just total
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chaos, I just hear pop, pop, pop, pop. I'm still in the gun.
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I'm trying to get on the radio to call the QRF, the other
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team, the other vehicles 'cause there's... We only had two on one side
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and the other two were on the other side. So I jump out
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of the gun and I run down probably, I don't know,
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50 meters. Then the rest of the QRF team came in,
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and that's when we went inside to go get Dickie 'cause he was
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down in there. Where'd he go? Where'd
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he go? Get in that motherfucker. Kill his ass. Yeah. And that's when we
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go inside the...
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In all the freaking... Just the chaos of pop... I saw the guy, pop pop pop!
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And then there's three of us online, and
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basically we shot at the same time.
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And then all of a sudden, my arm was just like...
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It just fell... My brain, it just felt like I got hit really,
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really hard. They had to drive me four or five miles to the
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Surgical Center. Then all I remember, I wanted to go to sleep 'cause
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I'm in the back of the Humvee. And then, Eubanks, private... Or PFC
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Eubanks is just sitting there like, "Frank, you gotta stay awake." I'm like,
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"Give me a cigarette." So I light the cigarette and he's like, "Okay."
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And then I'm like... And then I woke up on the table.
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Take a nice deep breath. Then exhale and let those ribs fall. That's perfect.
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Do you wanna be like, "Did he really get shot?" I mean, if
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I got shot, I'd be screaming if I was on the table and he
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was doing that to me.
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Well.
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I did scream and cry alone many years, people. Terrence makes it easy,
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look easy. Yeah, remember in the beginning, man? It was tough. Yeah.. Weekend
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at Bernie's? Second one is Sling Blade.. Alright, let's pull out the list
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of everything they got. Problems, they call them: Head injury, shotgun wound,
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right shoulder, injury from terrorists, caused fire burns, vertigo, migraine
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headache, depression. I thought I had major depression and depression. Shit.
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Yeah. You know I just... But this whole box was so adhered to by myofascial
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adhesions that when I first met him, I couldn't get it to shift.
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It was actually moving muscle tissue and everything because it builds up
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scar tissue from the adhesions. But think about it, the muscle insertions
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and all the nerve points that come through here, this thing is pressing
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on it every time he sits on a chair,
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so. If you think about it, I have this other surgery, that's why
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I did. But now I'm like, "I wanna do it, but then I'm
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like, "Man I really don't wanna go... Through another surgery.
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Like an Iraqi fire. That's the actual wires right there. Wow. It's a Medtronic
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nerve stimulator. And I
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got like... Basically, that's another thing too because
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they got in good with the hospital. Basically these guys came to the
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hospital and put them in all of us. I mean, but even with
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the repair and everything to the structure, there's muscle tissue that's
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gone, there's bony process that's gone. I got all of my X rays,
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too, so you can actually see, 'cause visual... People are really visual.
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Yeah, you can see just the structure of the it's completely different.
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You see it, and all the shrap metal from the bullet
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that are still inside me, freaking, there's just... I don't know, it's just
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crazy. Yeah. If you wanna get a good story about that,
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ask the wife about when I got shot, freaking, like all the shit
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that they put me through, and her.
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Here's the pictures of us on our... We had the big wedding.
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Got married for the second time.
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Very early on in meeting Josh, I was instantly attracted to
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his easy going, just really humble nature. Never met anybody that didn't
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like him and he pretty much liked everybody too. And I thought that
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was
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a pretty good quality. He's very much himself
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and confident. And
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who doesn't like a confident man? Honestly.
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And I don't think I was as confident. And so
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I think he lifted me up, and
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I think we were a good balance. This dude just beat me by
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a... He was ranked 2,378th and I would've won if...
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It's just a game.
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He seems to make the best out of
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most situations. And
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after we got married, we really learned the true testament in that.
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But I just could see us just being a really strong team.
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We were a really strong team from very early on, and the commitment
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was strong, and the friendship was amazing. Amazing. So
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I'm truly convinced that I married my best friend. Josh was attached to
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3 1
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shortly after we got engaged. We didn't know how long before he got
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cut orders and how long before it was gonna be before he left
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for Iraq. So we eloped, it was very quiet, we kept it that
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way. He deployed. I spent the whole time he was deployed,
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going to school and planning our wedding for when he came home.
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That was something to keep me busy, something to focus on.
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I always told Josh before he left, I said, "If officers show up
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at the door, I won't open the door, 'cause I already know what
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they're there for. I don't need them to say anything, I already know
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what it's about." He'd been gone seven and a half months,
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and the day that I
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dropped 175 wedding invitations in the mail was the day I also found
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out that he'd been severely injured in Iraq,
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which was also two weeks before our one year wedding anniversary,
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and two weeks before the day he was supposed to be coming home.
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I don't think there is really any way you can prepare yourself for
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what's coming next, because it's all just one question mark after another
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after another. Looking back now, it was a whirlwind, 22 surgeries in 18
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months. We didn't really start to see a lot of Josh's PTSD issues
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until he started to recover from all of the reconstruction of his shoulder.
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That took precedence over everything.
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We didn't start to even diagnose or look into
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what this has done to him mentally. The first
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three years he was out of the military, he was a shell of
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a human being. Lights were on but there really was not anybody home.
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He was very isolated. This really joyful person and leader, and always active
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and super friendly person, did not exist. He kept to himself,
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he didn't go anywhere, he didn't do anything,
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he took pills.
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That's what he did. He took pills and he went to the VA,
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so that they would keep giving him pills. Alright, active medications.
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This was back in '07. I can't even pronounce half these things:
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Controlled Substance Release 180mg Verapamil, Clonidine, Seroquel. It's
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ridiculous. And
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this is just what they start you with.
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reading in here,
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there's so much,
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these medical records, and there's so many of us that had this stuff.
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And look at this, refills left. Let's just go to that,
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we don't have to worry about whatever the hell the freakin' the pill
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is, because we already know there's a bunch of pills and the opium
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problem, the opiates and all this. Refills left, 1 of 1, 3 of
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3, 1 of 1, 3 of 3. This is one, two,
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three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12, 13,
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and this is back in '06, so this is way before the damn
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2007, 2008, 2009, I could get in to all those. Are you kidding me? Three
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of 3. All that money wasted,
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it makes no sense. And then it all goes back to freaking,
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all this stuff, it made me feel like a complete piece of shit.
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I didn't wanna live, you know what I mean? I thought that it
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wasn't because of this, I'm like, "Well they're trying to help me."
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They wanna avoid the troops. They're like, "Well, what can help them?"
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Then they wanna listen, and then you tell them, and then you're like,
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"Hey actually, weed will help us." And then they're like, "Well,
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oh no. Hey, you guys are talking that crazy talk."
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But, weed just helps me stay in the here and now.
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And this is just... How many times have we've been talking about this,
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honestly? We've been talking about weed this long?
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Come on, man, all those pills Frey dog with you, everybody,
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and they saw me on all the pills, I was crazy.
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They see me on the weed, they're like, "I love you,
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Frey. Frey, how do you do it?" Weed and freaking determination,
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and
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happy that I have two legs.
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Yeah, I got shot and it hurts and all this, but my buddy
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Joe, and my buddy Bo Jones, and all these other dudes missing legs,
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to have them not to complain either, that's where it's like,
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"Damn, I'm definitely not complaining about my shit." And
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it all goes back to green. They're all on the green.
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Marijuana.
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My name is Janel Ralph, I am the Executive Director of Compassionate South
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Carolina, also known as csc.health. We are the patients' advocacy group,
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fighting for patients' rights in South Carolina, to be able to use medical
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cannabis through a tightly regulated comprehensive program.
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Today, we are here at the Richland County Library in Columbia,
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South Carolina, filming several PSAs. We have medical professionals, we
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have law enforcer officers, and we have several patients from around the
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states, all coming in to talk about their stories and why they support
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medical marijuana. Action. Currently, what's legal here is industrial hemp,
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so we have a hemp program here that was passed last year.
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We initially had in 2014, one of the CBD only bills.
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CBD is not a fix all.
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For a lot of people, they need higher levels of THC,
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or they need THC to help improve their quality of life.
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Whereas CBD is... It's great and it benefits a lot of areas,
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but having access to the whole entire plant is extremely important for a
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lot of different complicated conditions. So the scientific definition of
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the plant is THC dominant, trace amounts of CBD is marijuana,
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CBD dominant, trace amounts of THC is hemp. And so that's how it's
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defined. Now that we have Federal programs under the Federal Farm Bill to
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be able to cultivate and grow hemp under pilot research programs,
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we've seen a lot of these CBD products enter the market in the
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last three years, 'cause they are legal products grown federally compliant,
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where medical marijuana is still a Schedule 1 drug,
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so now we have to fight on a state by state level to
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allow access to the other part of the plant.
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Certainly in terms of overdose, people treating pain through cannabis have
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zero chance of an overdose. That's a good thing to touch on, right there.
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Yeah, I have no personal story. But you're a good storyteller. I was
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the chief federal law enforcement officer for six and a half years..
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Well, actually you do though, Bill, if you think about it,
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because while you were the United States attorney, you changed policy on...
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Oh yeah, yeah. Doctors are not allowed to prescribe it, doctors are only
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allowed to recommend it, otherwise they risk their license to prescribe
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other drugs, because as a Schedule 1 drug,
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it is classified as no medicinal benefits. It's classified higher than crystal
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meth,
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as in cocaine, and a lot of these very damaging drugs,
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obviously, opiates, which we know. So it's got a higher classification on
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that list. So if the federal government actually de scheduled cannabis and
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there was a system to dispense it, through the federal government.
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Then, of course... I guess patients could get access if doctors wanted to
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write prescriptions for it. We're years away from that ever happening.
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That type of a system is not workable for many, many years to
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come, because if they de scheduled, then it has to go through the
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FDA process, there's gonna be IND drug trials that'll have to be set
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up, and some of these drug trials take five, 10 years.
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This is a... The whole notion of the FDA
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allowing access to medical marijuana is not a comprehensive notion. We could
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be waiting 20 years, and thousands and thousands of more people will pass
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away and die, with something we know has never killed anybody.
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I've never been against marijuana, I've never been against people that use
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marijuana, I've never really had a strong opinion on it one way or
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the other. My opinion started to shift a lot when
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I was witnessing what pharmaceuticals were doing to my husband,
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and then on the occasions when he would smoke marijuana and use marijuana,
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I would start to catch glimpses of the person I fell in love with. Send
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that one to Madison. The
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more he partook in marijuana, the less pills he took, and he started
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eliminating one pill at a time. And as the caregiver, you would think
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that since I'd been so involved with all of his care,
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that I would know, to a tee, what pills he was taking.
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At this point, I didn't.
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Let's see how good at this, still.
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I don't think for probably four years, he took what he was actually
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prescribed from the VA, he took what worked for him. Today,
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Josh is pill free, he 100% uses marijuana for all of his
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injuries, whether they're mental or physical.
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I went in there and then came out of the back.
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He's much more calm and he's able to go out into public,
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and actually be relaxed in a public setting,
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which was absolutely impossible before. We avoided a lot of public places,
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crowds, etcetera, etcetera, because it was just absolutely too much for
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him. This is a good idea, this is a good idea. Alright I
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gotta go. Now I'm becoming more of an advocate,
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because a man I haven't seen in seven years,
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he's starting to come back.
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He's never gonna be the same person,
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but lots of him is still the same, lots. The man I married,
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the man that I fell in love with, he's in there,
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I see him a lot more now that he's not on any pills
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than I did for seven years.
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Decisions out there, like in training, there are real
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consequences that you can't get back.
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And that's what happened
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Easter weekend in 2007. It was a fucking terrible weekend. We hear a
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blast, and then find out that six guys are blown up and they're
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all dead and you're like, "You're not too far away from it."
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And it was a big blast.
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And then all the drills go out the window. All the drills go
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out the window, and everybody's at risk, and there's no way you cannot
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go downrange. So let's put the blade down on the biggest vehicle there
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and clear an emergency lane up. And
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find myself in the dark with an infrared glow stick for a Black
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Hawk to land, to pick up my buddies that I was supposed to
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make stay on the other side that fucking ditch. And there's one VSA and
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one guy still alive, and you think, "Okay, we're getting one out," but by
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the time you
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got to the Black Hawk from the vehicle, he was dead. There's two
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VSAs heading to Kandahar Airfield for a ramp ceremony that
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should have been sitting in their vehicles until the sun came up. And
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that was a bullet I had to swallow.
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That's fucking war. So I came back from that,
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the summer of 2007, was diagnosed with PTSD.
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That was three years in the pharmaceutical chain. I took
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nine pills a day for three solid years
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as a member of the army, prescribed by army doctors. SSRIs and benzos,
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like Clonazepam, Paxil, Wellbutrin, Seroquel, Abilify, trazodone, Risperdal.
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Try it all.
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I'm not sure how
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they're treating us. The symptoms of PTSD with the medication that I have
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witnessed and found, cause more problems, not relieve problems.
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Myself and my peers, and my friends became zombies on these type of
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medications: Fat zombies, lazy, fat zombies, like fucking beyond.
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And
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you're in a fog almost, you can't really fucking
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grasp the here and now, it doesn't... There is no real fucking here
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and now, there's kind of a fog you're in, and you're just lethargically
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moving through time. You're existing, you're not really fucking living life
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and doing anything. So after three years of this fog and destruction
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of my life, I came back with a little bit of clarity,
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and at the age of 31, I put cannabis to my lips.
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And I took a big puff, and it was the first time in
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three years that my brain relaxed and my physiological body
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stopped being tense. And I smoked so much that night, I puked and
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I slept good and I woke up and I said, "Get me more."
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And over the next year to two years, I got off of every
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single pharmaceutical and I haven't looked back since.
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A lot of people join the military and they say, "Oh I just
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wanna serve my country. I want to do good for other people."
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And that's really nice, that's fine and dandy, I think that's really noble.
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That's the thing people say, and I think it's the politically correct thing
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to say. Myself, I didn't join for any of those reasons.
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I joined the military and I represent those guys that basically joined 'cause
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they wanted to get in a good gunfight. That's what I wanted to
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do, that's what my life revolved around, that's what I... When my head
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hit the pillow at night, what I thought about was,
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"Can I win a fight to the death, and where do I gotta
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go to make that happen?"
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I know that's not politically correct, but that's just the truth.
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And I think there's a lot of us out here that...
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That we're just born that way, and that's what we do,
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and then when that gets taken away, where do we go?
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What do we do? 'Cause I'm not a criminal, I live by an
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ethos. I don't just wanna walk around and shoot people.
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I like that Patton's army type of mentality, I like that General Mattis
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mentality of,
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"Do what it takes, get the job done,
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live by your wits,
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and let your grit drive you." I wanted to lead troops in battle,
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that was what I longed to do, that was where I felt my
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destiny was.
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Before I was medically discharged from the United States Army,
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I served as a 37 Foxtrot, which is a tactical psychological operations specialist.
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And before that I served in the infantry.
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I went to Fort Benning, Georgia, also attended Airborne School there,
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later I served with the 82nd Airborne Division, and these days
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I'm a warfighter activist. Easy 104.1, your hometown radio station. It is
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the Johnny B and Dave show and we are joined by a special
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guest. A radio guy, author, war fighter, marijuana enthusiast, not enthusiast,
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but... Advocate. Advocate, thank you, that's the word I was looking for.
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Activist. Boone Cutler. How are you doing, man? How are you doing? Good
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morning. Welcome. So thrilled to have you on the show. I'm trying to
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be a knowledge olobist. You do know a lot... I'm working at the
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knowledge oloby. Listen, you are a guy that knows a lot about a
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lot of stuff, 'cause you're a psy ops guy. Yeah. I was a psy operator in
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the United States Army... Here's the thing, in the United States Army, I
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was trained to go into countries, develop a theme and a message to
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influence attitudes that change behavior in other countries, that was my
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job. You got a new version of the book coming up. Yeah, get
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ready for "Call Sign Voodoo", that's my new book coming out.
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It's about a lot of psychological operations, some stuff I did in Iraq and
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how it affected the United States. Super, super interesting. Boone, thanks
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for spending some time with us today. Yeah. Thanks Boone. My pleasure. We'll
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get back to music now on Easy
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104.1. Cool. By far the worst time in my life was Walter Reed Army
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Medical Center. I was there for two years after I left Iraq.
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When I got hurt,
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there wasn't much to it, I ran around a corner and I ran
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into a mortar, and boom, it exploded and
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it rocked my world a little bit, and that's why I was at Walter Reed for
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that. It was TBI, traumatic brain injury, it was PTSD, multiple orthopedic
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injuries that I'd sustained during the tour. And all these things were...
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It was what they refer to as polytrauma. It was a whole bunch
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of different systems that were out of whack or injured. And
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because of the treatment, for one, it caused problems in another,
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and it just creates this cycle of all bad, all bad.
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And I don't think anybody at Walter Reed was necessarily trying to do
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anything negative or
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less than standard of care for me. I just think that they had
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a lot of wounded and there just weren't enough people to deal with all the
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wounded, and guys were severely wounded. In today's modern war, survival
458
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has become an issue, because those guys that would have died on the
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battlefield are surviving the battlefield. In Iraq, you could be at a level
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one trauma unit in very short order from the battlefield. And so guys
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were surviving. And I don't think that this era of military medicine was
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ready to receive
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that type of trauma because we weren't dying.
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So is it good that we were surviving? Yes, absolutely, absolutely,
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it was good.
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But there's a cause and effect, and the other side of the effect
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is,
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they didn't know how to treat us. And there were too many of
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us, and nobody had prepared for that many wounded.
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So we got a lot of drugs, we got a lot of drugs.
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00:32:26,620 --> 00:32:29,460
So I go in, I see this psychiatrist for the very first time,
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first psych appointment at Walter Reed. And he says, "Let's talk about your
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PTSD." I'm like, "I ain't one of those guys, I don't have PTSD.
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I'm not some punk ass little bitch. I don't have PTSD,
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I have a traumatic brain injury, I need to see a neurologist."
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00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,660
And I definitely had an attitude with him.
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He didn't give me another word, he spun around in his chair,
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took out a piece of paper,
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handed me that piece of paper, said, "Go down to the pharmacy,
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fill this, come back next week." I said, "What is it,
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doc?" He says, "It'll help you sleep."
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I was all welcoming of sleep 'cause I wasn't sleeping, hadn't slept for
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months.
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So I went down to the pharmacy, I got that script,
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and it was Seroquel. And from my first dose of Seroquel, it was
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a downhill slide. From that first dose, my
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will to do things the way I wanted to do just
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slipped away,
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and from there it was a plethora of other drugs on top of
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00:33:43,260 --> 00:33:47,380
the Seroquel. Well, now we skip a few years ahead, and I'm back
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on the block. I'm in a VA, I've been
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medically released from the military, no longer on active duty, trying to
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find an identity in the world again. Meanwhile, I was spun out of
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my mind, not just because of the drugs, but because I'm still dealing
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with all the injuries that I had before
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that people took shortcuts on, that didn't get resolved.
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So I still have all the injuries and all of the problems,
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but now I have a huge drug problem on top of it.
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I'd had enough,
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enough. I did not care anymore.
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And they come around to me with all the drugs
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and I'd say, "No, thank you."
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They would tell me, "Well, you have the choice, against medical advice,
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00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,620
AMA, you don't have to take the drugs, but we don't recommend it,
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00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,980
you're gonna go crazy." And I say, "Hey, the door is locked, let's
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go crazy, let's see what happens." And I went a little crazy.
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But by the end of the 17 days, I was off the drugs.
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00:34:45,780 --> 00:34:48,620
Well I wasn't sleeping. And I was at work, and this young kid
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came up to me and he said, "Man, you look like hell,
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what's going on?" And I said, "I can't sleep."
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He said, "Why don't you smoke some weed?" And I was so offended
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that this guy would look at me and think I was one of
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those people that smokes weed.
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"No, I don't smoke weed."
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Then I went another night without sleep. And as I'm laying there,
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I'm reviewing all the things I have done to try and get sleep.
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00:35:16,700 --> 00:35:20,820
So I'm thinking of all the herbal stuff I did, holistic stuff I
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00:35:20,820 --> 00:35:25,360
did, all the drugs they... Every drug they gave me, the NyQuil, the
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00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:29,500
alcohol. In the morning time, looking at the sunrise and watching it set
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to reset my circadian rhythms. I did it all,
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none of it worked.
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So I went to that kid the next day and I said,
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"Okay, give me some weed."
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And that night I slept five hours,
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five hours, five uninterrupted, dream free, nightmare unplagued hours.
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I hadn't slept five hours in five years
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like that,
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at least. Imagine that.
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But I slept five hours
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off something that had been demonized my whole life.
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My name is Joey Gilbert, I'm a lawyer actually here in Reno,
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Nevada. But I was a former professional fighter.
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And after I retired from fighting, I started practicing law full time.
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And then in 2013, our governor here in Nevada signed a medical cannabis
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bill to provide cannabis to the people of Nevada, and I started working
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on cannabis at that time. What got me interested in the cannabis movement
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00:36:48,300 --> 00:36:53,480
was veterans. I started getting lots of pro bono cases that involved veterans
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00:36:53,740 --> 00:36:56,900
that had been doing things like self medicating. And by that I mean,
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00:36:56,900 --> 00:36:59,480
they come back, they had all kinds of issues going on
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from their service, and they were trying to figure out a way to
541
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deal with it, and there just wasn't enough help or enough services back
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here to get them through. The VA was mailing these guys bottles of
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pills, about this big, and I was just seeing an epidemic start.
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I got involved because my father asked me...
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When your father is a commander in the Marine Corps, he more tells
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you. So he said, "Son, I got some cases I need some help
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00:37:22,460 --> 00:37:26,840
So after almost 31 pro bono cases and taking these guys across Nevada,
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00:37:27,100 --> 00:37:30,280
and beating these things, I started realizing there was a pattern.
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And I said, "What's going on here?" And I looked back and said, "Why are
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these guys getting in trouble across the country, across the state for these
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00:37:36,660 --> 00:37:39,440
little things?" And like I just said, it was self medication,
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they were using alcohol, prescription drugs, over the counter drugs, Adderall
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00:37:44,193 --> 00:37:47,680
from their brother, anything they could get their hands on to try and
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00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,980
get this change, this head change to try and figure out what was
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going on. And so based on that and talking with people,
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I said to a few of these vets, "Why don't you try cannabis?"
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And then what happened from there was just magic. I have text messages
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00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,320
in my phone where wives say to me, "Thank you for my husband back,
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00:38:04,620 --> 00:38:06,980
it was the first time we were intimate again in four years.
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00:38:06,980 --> 00:38:10,580
Thank you for my kids' father back, it's the first time I've seen
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00:38:10,580 --> 00:38:13,380
him laugh or go with his kids somewhere since he got back from
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Iraq."
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So the biggest problem that we faced with veterans, with guys and girls
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that served, was they didn't wanna have this designation of having PTSD,
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getting a medical card, and then having to lose
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rights or lose access to certain things. And as everyone knows,
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marijuana is illegal at the federal level, so these guys could potentially
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lose out on veterans benefits if they use something that actually was much
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safer, non addictive, non toxic, not lethal, but here was the conundrum:
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Do I use something that really helps me and makes my quality of
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life so much better or do I risk losing my benefits?
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And it was a problem. It created a lot of problems.
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Cannabis took a lot of guys out of a funk and gave them
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hope again. It made them feel like they could deal with whatever it
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was they were dealing with without being a zombie, without having to take
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00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,120
these meds that made their eyes white out,
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white in the corner of their mouths, and they just sat there.
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And as everyone knows, we were losing 22 plus a day,
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minimum. So that was the issue. And I really got to see
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people I knew, like I said, like Boone, and here we are,
581
00:39:26,180 --> 00:39:31,400
introduced cannabis to him. Man, everything slowed down. Like you said,
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the anxiety went away. Ability to go out and just do the simple
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00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,000
normal things that a lot of us take for granted. So that's what
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I noticed. If anything, I could say anything, it just takes the edge
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00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,180
off. It's not a silver bullet, it's not gonna solve everything for everyone,
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but the ability to
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enjoy your life, you know what I'm saying? To really be comfortable in
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the moment, is what cannabis does. And it's what it did for Boone. And
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that's what I've learned, is that if you're gonna help these guys get
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00:39:57,380 --> 00:40:01,620
off the dope, and that's what it is, the pharmaceutical stuff is pure
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00:40:01,620 --> 00:40:04,480
crap, it's killing these guys, it's absolutely killing them. They know it,
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00:40:05,500 --> 00:40:07,000
and they won't let them use something that will help them.
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00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:11,520
And so what I noticed the biggest sways was when he ran out
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00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,800
of product, and I'd get a call from his wife saying,
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00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,820
"Oh my god, he's in a bad spot right now." And I would
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00:40:15,820 --> 00:40:17,700
say, "How is he on his meds?" "He hasn't had them for three
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00:40:17,700 --> 00:40:20,260
days." "Why didn't he call me?" "He doesn't wanna ask you for anything."
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Which is textbook for anybody that came out of the military.
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00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:27,380
Veterans don't want your sympathy, they don't want you to... They don't
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want your pity. Get out of their way, respect them, and they're gonna
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00:40:30,300 --> 00:40:32,480
be fine. And so that's what I really noticed. And that's part of
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00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,800
the problem as well, because cannabis isn't everywhere, it isn't easy to
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00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,200
get. They don't like asking anybody for anything.
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00:40:38,780 --> 00:40:41,020
And at some point,
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I'm thinking to myself, "Why is this illegal?
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00:40:47,980 --> 00:40:51,500
How is this wrong? What is the problem here?
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00:40:52,100 --> 00:40:53,620
Because, I don't really see one."
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00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,160
And all those feelings, all those thoughts, all that
609
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,940
junk that people put in my head, I started to question.
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00:41:04,580 --> 00:41:08,280
And every time I questioned it and I researched it on my own,
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00:41:09,580 --> 00:41:12,780
I realized those people were just lying. Some of them didn't know they
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00:41:12,780 --> 00:41:16,320
were lying, they were just repeating somebody else's lie, but ultimately
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00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:17,920
it was one big lie.
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00:41:19,020 --> 00:41:22,620
People don't realize that cannabis was available in America, medically,
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00:41:22,700 --> 00:41:26,600
from the middle 1800s, about 1839, when it first got introduced to western
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00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,080
medicine, all the way to the 1930s, in fact, up to 1937,
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00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:31,100
when they put through the Marijuana Tax Act.
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Be careful how you use it, for to grow hemp legally, you must
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have a federal registration and tax stamp. This is provided for in your
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00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:45,720
contract. Ask your AAA committeeman or your county agent about it. It was
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available, it had to have specific labeling instructions, it was a medicine,
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00:41:50,220 --> 00:41:53,340
but it was in no way, shape, or form prohibited. In 1937,
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they passed the Marijuana Control Act, and what that did is tax cannabis
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00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,640
and tax hemp so incredibly that it effectively put it out of business.
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00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,960
The excise tax was so high, no one could afford to grow it.
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00:42:04,460 --> 00:42:08,330
So, when you talk about cannabis legalization and the history of prohibition,
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00:42:08,340 --> 00:42:13,780
it's an ugly past. It's very much steeped in racism and with the
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00:42:13,780 --> 00:42:18,500
whole Reefer Madness movie, and all that propaganda, which we still see
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00:42:18,820 --> 00:42:21,120
present in the stigma we have today. So
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00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:27,140
basically, Reefer Madness alluded to the fact that if white women use cannabis,
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00:42:27,140 --> 00:42:31,260
they'll wanna sleep with black men, or they'll be jumping out of the
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00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:36,440
window or they're gonna be playing the piano crazy, and it's not true.
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00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:40,540
It was not based on fact, but it did have that hysteria effect. All
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of these devoted to marijuana records.
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Here is an example.
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A 16 year old lad, apprehended in the act of staging a hold
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00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,700
up. 16 years old and a marijuana addict.
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00:42:57,770 --> 00:43:03,460
Here is a most tragic case. Yes, I remember. Just a young boy. Under
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00:43:03,460 --> 00:43:07,160
the influence of the drug, he killed his entire family with an axe. And
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00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,900
that carried on way into the '60s. In the '60s, they used the
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00:43:09,900 --> 00:43:12,540
same prohibition against cannabis to go at the hippies, and again,
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00:43:12,540 --> 00:43:15,400
people of color. So it's been rampant through the federal government to
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00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:22,780
target minorities through cannabis. So put simply, from 1952, 1956 to 1970,
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00:43:22,940 --> 00:43:27,180
the United States government went on a campaign to systematically eradicate
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any form of hemp or cannabis in the United States, period. And that
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00:43:31,380 --> 00:43:34,960
took it even a step further, because in the 1970 Controlled Substances Act,
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they said that cannabis had no medical value, nothing. None whatsoever.
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00:43:40,060 --> 00:43:41,050
Which is absolutely ludicrous.
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00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:47,080
When the pot smoker uses that good material, the smoke carries a variety
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of chemical compounds to the lungs. Within seconds, the THC begins to circulate
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00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:57,210
throughout the body, carried by the fatty particles in the bloodstream.
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00:43:57,220 --> 00:44:01,380
Almost instantly, there is an effect on the brain. As with alcohol,
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00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:06,560
the human thought process is chemically altered. This state of intoxication
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00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:11,260
is what getting stoned is all about. Along with the intoxication,
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00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:16,020
the heartbeat increases dramatically. This is why many scientists believe
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that no one with a heart condition should use marijuana. Cannabis is a
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00:44:20,420 --> 00:44:26,880
completely harmless plant, however it's been criminalized over all of these
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00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,920
years, by all this negative propaganda that's not true. We've been lied
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00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:35,540
to all these years. Leading medical researchers are coming to the conclusion
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00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:41,240
that marijuana, pot, grass, whatever you wanna call it, is probably the
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most dangerous drug in the United States, and we haven't begun to find
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00:44:45,260 --> 00:44:48,860
out all of the ill effects, but they are permanent ill effects.
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All types of things that we've just been fed to and now they've
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00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:58,440
been ingrained in our mind, so it's hard to believe that this drug
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00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:02,380
that we've been told is awful, it's terrible, it's a Schedule 1 drug,
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00:45:02,380 --> 00:45:06,360
meaning it has no medical properties. And have you seen what marijuana does
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00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:12,000
to some people? Oh yeah, you've seen them, total burnouts. It slows you
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00:45:12,060 --> 00:45:16,360
down, it softens your mind, and in my neighborhood, you need to move
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quickly and think fast. Drugs, it's a bloody shame. When I was 10
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years old, my babysitter and her friends would do drugs in front of
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me.
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00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,520
I really looked up to her, I wanted to be like her.
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I would talk her into letting me get high with them.
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That's all it took. After that, I moved on to pills, speed,
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00:45:37,380 --> 00:45:42,960
cocaine, mushrooms, you name it, I took it. It's just... At this point
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00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:48,460
now, we're fighting against years of brainwashing that has happened, and
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00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:54,660
it's slowly but surely reversing. Now we're seeing a resurgence of the use
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00:45:54,660 --> 00:45:57,220
of marijuana, we're seeing the end of prohibition, and
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00:45:57,940 --> 00:46:01,220
people are being baffled by the fact that they were lied to
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for so many years, they grew up being lied to.
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00:46:05,350 --> 00:46:10,160
This is your brain on drugs. The Nancy Reagan campaign, the War on
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Drugs, which affected certain communities more than others. There's gross
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disparities in how the War on Drugs was applied across our country.
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00:46:20,820 --> 00:46:25,540
Meanwhile, around me, war fighters in my community are killing themselves
685
00:46:25,540 --> 00:46:27,040
at a rate of 22 a day,
686
00:46:29,220 --> 00:46:31,040
and I'm like, "I know why,
687
00:46:32,300 --> 00:46:33,360
we should probably fix that."
688
00:46:38,500 --> 00:46:42,160
Janos Victor Lutz is my son, we call him Johnny.
689
00:46:42,900 --> 00:46:43,700
He was a Marine,
690
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:47,600
and I was a proud Marine Mom.
691
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:54,760
He deployed to Iraq in 2007 and 2008, came home and
692
00:46:55,720 --> 00:46:59,400
I didn't see too much difference in Johny from that deployment.
693
00:46:59,780 --> 00:47:06,160
It was really a cakewalk compared to his 2009 deployment to Afghanistan.
694
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:08,600
We lost 14 men.
695
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:18,740
They had
696
00:47:21,140 --> 00:47:24,020
some big firefights, and they couldn't get them
697
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,840
food, water, they couldn't get them ammo,
698
00:47:29,340 --> 00:47:33,360
because they were so far out, and when the caravans would come with
699
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,000
food and ammo, they were getting blown up,
700
00:47:36,540 --> 00:47:39,980
they weren't making it, the guys, they lost 40 pounds.
701
00:47:40,660 --> 00:47:45,220
When Johnny came home, all the families greeted them. You could instantly
702
00:47:45,220 --> 00:47:56,990
tell that they were all shell shocked, they were just expressionless. Yeah.
703
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:01,820
Yeah, he was totally different when he came home, I noticed that before
704
00:48:01,820 --> 00:48:05,080
it got dark, all the curtains had to be drawn,
705
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:07,060
all the windows had to be shut.
706
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:13,120
And I put undue pressure on him because I would say things like, "What
707
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,380
do you mean you don't wanna go? Come on, Johnny. We always would
708
00:48:16,380 --> 00:48:19,960
love to go out to... We would fine dine." And
709
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:24,440
he didn't wanna do that anymore, and I just didn't understand why.
710
00:48:25,980 --> 00:48:32,600
Johnny returned from his second deployment November of 2009 and was
711
00:48:33,140 --> 00:48:38,940
subsequently diagnosed with severe PTSD, and TBI, which is traumatic brain
712
00:48:40,060 --> 00:48:42,600
And their treatment was to put my son on
713
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:49,720
about 18 different medications. He was on antidepressants, SSRIs, pain medication,
714
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,240
it was a very dangerous cocktail of drugs.
715
00:48:53,890 --> 00:48:57,900
So it was still not working for my son. In June of 2010
716
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:02,040
they gave him a drug called Klonopin. And a week later he attempted
717
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,720
suicide, they found him just as he stopped breathing.
718
00:49:06,540 --> 00:49:12,560
The doctor knew that the causation for his suicide was the Klonopin, and
719
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:17,820
in fact wrote in Johnny's chart, "Do not prescribe Mr. Lutz Klonopin because
720
00:49:17,820 --> 00:49:22,880
it'll be detrimental to his health," but never told my son, never told
721
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:28,100
the family. So my son was left to believe that he wanted to
722
00:49:28,100 --> 00:49:30,280
die because that's what he wanted to do.
723
00:49:31,060 --> 00:49:34,660
Fast forward, Johnny was medically retired November of 2011,
724
00:49:36,300 --> 00:49:40,920
came home and he was still on many different medications, but the summer
725
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:45,560
of 2012... In the spring, rather, Johnny decided he wanted to get off
726
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:50,480
everything, and he did. He went cold turkey, got off all his meds,
727
00:49:50,490 --> 00:49:55,460
except for a low dose of morphine that he would take as needed.
728
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:02,340
And we had a wonderful summer, we traveled. Johnny was laughing again,
729
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:07,620
joking. And we traveled to Colorado, we went whitewater rafting. It was
730
00:50:07,620 --> 00:50:16,010
just a wonderful summer, I had Johnny back. Johnny flourished, he thrived,
731
00:50:16,195 --> 00:50:19,600
he was just doing wonderfully. At the end of the summer,
732
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:23,860
though, something triggered his PTSD and he became depressed.
733
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:28,280
And on January 1st, he called me and he said, "Mom,
734
00:50:28,700 --> 00:50:31,100
I need you to lock up all the guns in the house and
735
00:50:31,100 --> 00:50:34,360
I need you to take my pain meds, and when I need them,
736
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:38,400
I'll ask you for them." I said, "Okay, honey." And
737
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:43,380
he said, "I'm scared, Mom." Three days later, on January 4th,
738
00:50:43,900 --> 00:50:48,360
he went to the VA on Commercial Boulevard, and his medical records read,
739
00:50:48,524 --> 00:50:54,480
"Mr. Lutz presents teary eyed and well groomed, he stated that he had
740
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,080
his mom lock up his guns and his meds.
741
00:50:58,260 --> 00:51:04,380
'Well, Mr. Lutz, how are you today?' 'I'm okay,' as the tears were running
742
00:51:04,380 --> 00:51:10,400
down his face." He's clearly not okay. How many chances did that woman
743
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:14,560
have, how many chances... How many times did my son say,
744
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:16,080
"Please help me"?
745
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:24,840
And her response to my son was, "Let's put you on some Klonopin." Then
746
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,020
he goes next door to the back doctor,
747
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:32,120
and that doctor prescribed my son, gave him in his hand,
748
00:51:32,130 --> 00:51:39,960
90 morphine. So that was on January 1st, so during that week,
749
00:51:40,300 --> 00:51:43,760
he came home, he had a couple of beers, and
750
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:48,720
he decided to take all his pills and he killed himself.
751
00:51:48,730 --> 00:51:50,020
He overdosed here.
752
00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:55,520
And I could've been in tune to that, but I wasn't.
753
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,180
Nobody was in tune and my son died,
754
00:52:00,112 --> 00:52:02,360
he took his own life because of that drug.
755
00:52:07,070 --> 00:52:11,520
My first Buddy Up, I had four people show up and I said,
756
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,300
"Well, maybe this isn't it", but one of the war fighters there,
757
00:52:14,300 --> 00:52:18,680
Brian Lupo, by the way, marine infantry, he said, "No, Janine,"
758
00:52:18,740 --> 00:52:20,760
he goes, "This is exactly what we need."
759
00:52:22,980 --> 00:52:28,060
I joined the Marine Corps in 2009, got out in 2013.
760
00:52:28,740 --> 00:52:32,420
One of the things that I think really helped me, when it came
761
00:52:32,420 --> 00:52:35,680
to life after the Marine Corps, was the fact that I joined at
762
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:41,560
25 and not 18. And I didn't have that stress of an 18
763
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,900
year old that enlists when he gets out at 22 or 23 or
764
00:52:44,900 --> 00:52:45,400
whatever.
765
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:52,360
I still have PTSD from being an infantryman in the Marines.
766
00:52:52,580 --> 00:52:55,940
You see stuff, and you lose brothers, you lose friends,
767
00:52:57,100 --> 00:53:00,640
so a lot of that still weighed on me. It was really tough
768
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:05,260
to sleep, you have bad dreams. So I'm 34 years old now,
769
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:09,680
and when I was 32, so about two years ago, a friend of
770
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:13,020
mine pulls out a bong and he says, "Here, man, you wanna try
771
00:53:13,020 --> 00:53:15,120
this?" and I was like... Or, "You wanna hit this?" and I'm like,
772
00:53:16,020 --> 00:53:19,360
"No, I've never done that before." Literally 32 years old, never smoked
773
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:23,440
marijuana before, and he's like, "Dude, it's great for PTSD,
774
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,920
it really mellows you out, relaxes you and all this stuff."
775
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,240
And I said, "You know what? Screw it, I'm gonna try it."
776
00:53:29,820 --> 00:53:31,820
Since I got out of the Marine Corps, I don't think I've ever
777
00:53:31,820 --> 00:53:32,440
felt that
778
00:53:33,620 --> 00:53:34,220
normal.
779
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,360
I was able to laugh at things, relax,
780
00:53:39,620 --> 00:53:44,140
had a good time, nothing could aggravate me, I wasn't angry about anything,
781
00:53:44,140 --> 00:53:46,500
I didn't wanna go home and hide in
782
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:51,540
my house. And so from there I decided I'm gonna try this
783
00:53:52,060 --> 00:53:54,160
on my own. So I got some marijuana and
784
00:53:55,860 --> 00:53:57,080
didn't know what the hell to do with it.
785
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:02,160
So I went down to the grocery store at the end of my
786
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:03,360
street and got a
787
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,960
little pipe. And went out on my back patio and smoked,
788
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:09,720
and was like, "Okay, this
789
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,160
makes me feel good, this makes me feel normal."
790
00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:17,140
Leading up to that, I refused to go to the VA.
791
00:54:18,740 --> 00:54:21,260
I'll go to the VA if something's physically wrong with me,
792
00:54:21,260 --> 00:54:24,360
if I've got a bad cold or... Well, I wouldn't go for a
793
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:27,260
cold. But if something was really wrong with me, I would go.
794
00:54:27,460 --> 00:54:30,160
But I'm not going to the VA for mental health 'cause
795
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,500
they're just gonna say, "Here's an antidepressant drug, take it
796
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:38,300
twice a day and come see us in a month." But the side
797
00:54:38,300 --> 00:54:42,520
effects on the drug is suicide... Or suicidal thoughts. What the fuck am
798
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,000
I gonna take that for? "I'm thinking about killing myself." "Well,
799
00:54:45,010 --> 00:54:49,620
here, take Zoloft." Well, what's the side effect on Zoloft? Suicide.
800
00:54:49,630 --> 00:54:56,340
Klonopin, suicide. Paxil, suicide. All these drugs... So I refused to go.
801
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:02,440
So I started self medicating with marijuana, and I've never felt better.
802
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:07,320
The reason I got interested in the study was because I've been taking
803
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,620
care of veterans for so long, and I saw that there weren't really
804
00:55:10,620 --> 00:55:12,780
any good treatments for PTSD.
805
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:24,680
We only have two FDA approved medications on the market, Zoloft and Paxil
806
00:55:24,793 --> 00:55:29,280
are the only meds that actually have an FDA indication for PTSD.
807
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:33,660
So all these other meds that we throw at PTSD patients
808
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:40,280
have never really been formally tested in clinical trials for treating PTSD.
809
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:45,160
Suddenly, these patients feel like guinea pigs, they're just being
810
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:49,520
pummeled with all these different prescriptions that don't seem to have
811
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,560
any logical method for
812
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:58,300
how we're using them. And so I began losing a lot of patients
813
00:55:58,300 --> 00:56:03,440
in my own practice to suicide. That's what really woke me up because
814
00:56:04,140 --> 00:56:04,660
I had
815
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:07,760
patients that I would just...
816
00:56:10,180 --> 00:56:12,960
I don't even know how to describe it. It was just
817
00:56:13,700 --> 00:56:18,840
the heartbreak of all these great young men and women who were ending
818
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:23,940
their life, and I realized that I had nothing more to offer them,
819
00:56:24,300 --> 00:56:31,080
that we exhausted all the conventional treatments. The epidemic of veteran
820
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:35,600
suicide is one of the biggest public health crisis that we have in
821
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:39,260
this country and we don't have any good solutions for it.
822
00:56:39,260 --> 00:56:43,540
And I don't know if cannabis can help curb this epidemic of veteran
823
00:56:43,540 --> 00:56:49,220
suicide. But I hope that we can continue to collect information about this
824
00:56:49,220 --> 00:56:52,460
and see if there's a possibility of looking at that specifically.
825
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:57,060
Our trial isn't looking at the suicide epidemic, we're just looking at the
826
00:56:57,060 --> 00:57:01,180
question, "Does cannabis reduce the symptoms of PTSD?"
827
00:57:01,740 --> 00:57:06,280
and if so, maybe which strains are best or which strains should be
828
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:06,900
avoided?
829
00:57:27,500 --> 00:57:28,800
When somebody chooses
830
00:57:30,943 --> 00:57:34,580
suicide because...
831
00:57:35,860 --> 00:57:37,780
It can be for a myriad of reasons.
832
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:41,940
Whether it was pharmaceutically induced
833
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:46,020
because, like my son, he took the drugs, that made him
834
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:48,620
take his life or
835
00:57:49,900 --> 00:57:53,720
for whatever the reason that you decide to do that.
836
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:56,160
When you...
837
00:57:57,500 --> 00:58:02,700
When somebody dies by suicide, they just transferred everything,
838
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:11,770
that pain inside them times 10 to their loved ones that they left behind.
839
00:58:11,780 --> 00:58:14,720
For the rest of my life, for the rest of my life,
840
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,520
I have to live without my children
841
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:19,040
and
842
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:22,520
it affects me every single day.
843
00:58:24,270 --> 00:58:29,340
You know, you get really angry, you know? You get really
844
00:58:33,610 --> 00:58:37,250
angry. A person could let it...
845
00:58:39,340 --> 00:58:40,420
Make you really angry.
846
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:46,000
And I'm sure that he did not want
847
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:50,400
his brother to follow in his footsteps, but that's what happened.
848
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:52,800
The ripple effect of suicide
849
00:58:54,360 --> 00:59:01,760
is huge. Johnny suicided. I came very close. Justin, his little brother,
850
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:03,140
completed suicide. And
851
00:59:04,180 --> 00:59:05,540
the effects of
852
00:59:07,140 --> 00:59:11,080
Johnny and Justin are just huge, the ripple effect,
853
00:59:12,220 --> 00:59:12,680
and
854
00:59:14,700 --> 00:59:23,420
it's a real mindfuck, 'cause you questioned everything you ever said,
855
00:59:23,420 --> 00:59:25,860
everything you ever did, and
856
00:59:28,020 --> 00:59:31,560
you wonder if something you said or did could have changed something,
857
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:36,800
or you could have done more. And I'm not the only one being
858
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:38,680
the mom. I know their friends
859
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:40,620
think that.
860
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:48,400
I know it's just... It's painful.
861
00:59:49,780 --> 00:59:54,500
This is a memorial wall that I started in 2013.
862
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:59,960
When you put a face and an age
863
01:00:02,260 --> 01:00:07,080
to... And realize that this person died of suicide, that all of these
864
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:11,520
people died of suicide, it's just, it's a very heart wrenching and very
865
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:12,260
impactful.
866
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:19,800
It's now well over 80 feet long and I have almost 400 photos
867
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:31,160
on it. We have overdoses, gunshot, hanging, poison, just about every method
868
01:00:31,180 --> 01:00:32,720
of suicide
869
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:35,480
has been done on this wall.
870
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,560
And it's so sad that they think that that's the answer,
871
01:00:43,300 --> 01:00:44,420
it's not the answer.
872
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:49,260
Kit,
873
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:53,540
I really wanna let kids know that illegal drugs are bad news.
874
01:00:53,540 --> 01:00:57,160
Yes, David. It's true. Over one hundred thousand teenagers were admitted
875
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:00,480
into hospitals last year, because of drugs. Yeah, but I'm talking about
876
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:03,780
kids' futures. Did you know that marijuana can affect a person's physical
877
01:01:03,780 --> 01:01:07,900
and sexual growth? Yes, that's quite accurate. In a laboratory test,
878
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:11,880
female animals treated with the active component in marijuana, experienced
879
01:01:11,940 --> 01:01:16,080
a 44% death rate among their offspring. This is much more important than
880
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:19,560
facts and figures. What kids should know is that marijuana has got more
881
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:23,140
cancer causing agents than tobacco and a lot of young kids use drugs
882
01:01:23,140 --> 01:01:26,800
on a daily basis. One of the things that people talk about is,
883
01:01:27,220 --> 01:01:30,240
there needs to be more research into cannabis, but what people don't realize
884
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:33,980
is that there's already been thousands and thousands of reputable studies
885
01:01:33,980 --> 01:01:37,680
done around this plant. I think probably the most predominant thing happened
886
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:41,120
last year when the National Academy of Science came out with a statement
887
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:45,580
that said, cannabis does have medicinal properties, and one is
888
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:50,600
treatment... Relief from the treatment of chemotherapy. So it definitely
889
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:54,020
improves somebody's quality of life that's going through chemotherapy. One
890
01:01:54,050 --> 01:01:56,840
of the other thing that was interesting... They found out though is that
891
01:01:57,120 --> 01:02:01,320
smoking cannabis does not cause cancer. So this has been a myth that's been
892
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:05,340
out there for a long time, that's fluctuated through. So smoking any type
893
01:02:05,340 --> 01:02:07,920
of cannabis does not cause any type of lung cancer, there's no...
894
01:02:08,140 --> 01:02:11,060
There's no substantial research showing that that actually occurs.
895
01:02:15,260 --> 01:02:21,320
I never expected to be diagnosed with cancer at 46, but I should
896
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:26,520
have known. I mean I had a... My father had three different cancers
897
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:30,980
when he died. I was his primary caregiver for the last two years
898
01:02:30,980 --> 01:02:35,880
of his life and I saw him endure all the awful effects of
899
01:02:35,900 --> 01:02:39,700
chemo and I just knew for me that I didn't want that.
900
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:46,760
This says that the biopsy showed a malignancy in the left breast. This
901
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:51,653
is a common cancer in the breast of women and it's usually easy
902
01:02:51,744 --> 01:02:55,682
to treat, especially that since we caught it early, it should be pretty
903
01:02:55,749 --> 01:03:00,280
manageable. I would say, so I was diagnosed in January of 2017,
904
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:07,560
the biopsy showed I had a highly invasive intraductal carcinoma that was
905
01:03:08,260 --> 01:03:12,720
a little bit between stage I and stage II. So early stage,
906
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:15,880
very hopeful that there would be
907
01:03:16,900 --> 01:03:18,540
remission eventually.
908
01:03:19,700 --> 01:03:21,720
I did all the standard
909
01:03:23,020 --> 01:03:29,980
surgery, radiation, but I refused chemo in order to instead opt for this
910
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:36,360
cannabis oil and trying to prevent recurrence with this. Cannabis does have
911
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:40,640
some anti cancer properties, but we don't really know how to harness that
912
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:46,320
yet, we don't know what tumor cell lines are responsive to what cannabinoids
913
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:49,260
and things like that. So in my case, the only thing I can
914
01:03:49,260 --> 01:03:54,340
do is just try to take this sort of shotgun approach.
915
01:03:55,060 --> 01:04:01,780
So this is really a hyper potent form of cannabinoids, they've been extracted
916
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:02,180
and
917
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:06,760
put into this oil now and you can see here, this is full
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of THC, CBD and other terpenes, and cannabinoids. So all we do is
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we take the oil we squeeze out a little bit and we put
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it right on the capsule there. But you can see this is a
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very imprecise way of dosing of... We really don't know if this is
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gonna work or not. We're all looking for something that gives us hope.
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Hello? Hey Mom.
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So what's happening? The both mammogram and breast ultrasound were negative.
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Oh, I was so worried, with all kinds of instruction, I thought maybe you
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had a biopsy. I know, no.
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Luckily, everything went great, and now this is almost two years,
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right? Since the... Yeah, what about the medicine that you're... How can
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you get this medicine anymore? Oh the marijuana? Yeah, I don't know,
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I have to figure it out. It's always a challenge trying
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to find new supply. And then, he doesn't do it anymore. I know, we'll
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figure that out. But anyway, I just wanna let you know,
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mom, I'm gonna wrap up, but I'll give you a call later,
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okay? Okay, love you. Love you. Oh, Sue? Oh yeah. Sue? Yes? I'm gonna ask
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Sam to bring your milk, and I have also soup. But I
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the pot, I need the pot, so I put it in the deep dish. Okay, that's
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great, Mom, thank you so much. Okay, love you. Love you.
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Bye,
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Ma. so.
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So as a physician, I weighed the options,
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there's a whole bunch of different treatments you can do with this early
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stage breast cancer. It's a personal decision, each patient is gonna handle
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this differently. I think I had the chance because it was early stage,
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that I could try this approach with using a high dose cannabis to
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try to prevent recurrence, and it wasn't just going in blindly,
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I have some colleagues that have produced some data that shows that they
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took breast tumor cells in a petri dish and introduced a synthetic cannabinoid
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and found a dramatic reduction in the density of the breast tumor cells.
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And I look at that data, this is legitimate data published in peer
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reviewed medical journals and... And I made a personal choice that I was
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gonna go this route. I can still always
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go with full mastectomy and chemo and all those things later,
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but right now, I just chose to do a simple lumpectomy,
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radiation, and then try this and see if I can flood my receptors
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and capitalize on whatever anti cancer properties that this material has.
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Usually when I'm sitting on panels, and they say, "Well, how long before
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it'll be federally legal?" I'm saying two years.
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Some of the challenges with getting there would be the United Nations and
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some of the treaty issues. Once though we see how Canada does,
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01:07:32,380 --> 01:07:35,880
especially with the UN's posture and treatment of Canada, with regards to
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their recreational space, then we'll see the United States government move
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in that direction. So the legalities around cannabis north of the American
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border are quite different than in the States. And I have a heavy
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heart, and a sad place in my heart for
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my southern brothers and sisters. Hence, creating a charity with a global
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focus to try to change some of this stuff.
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You're supposed to have a high GAFF, it's a high give a fuck
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factor.
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I've turned the acronym into the Global Alliance Foundation Fund.
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Its principal will never be touched, and this fund will last forever,
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and in perpetuity the interest will be spent to bridge the gap in
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care on a global effort
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for veterans everywhere.
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The fact that people have had to relocate as kinda refugees for access
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to the medicine, it's ridiculous in a country that's known for its freedoms,
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such as America. The over prescription of these very powerful drugs is something
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that we really need to pay more attention to,
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and we need to educate ourselves. Cannabis has never killed anybody,
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you cannot overdose from it. It has the addiction rate of coffee.
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So we need academia to embrace it, we need our politicians to embrace
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it, we need our physician community to embrace it, so that the patients
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win at the end of the day. I so wish that my son
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would have smoked pot, but my son would not do anything that would
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be illegal. I think it's silly that you've got
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a plant,
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something that does these amazing things that they've now seen. You've got
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nine states that have it legal, you've got 33 states, give or take,
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that have a medical program. And so at the end of the day,
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they're not putting this genie back in the bottle.
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Something so preventable, my son didn't wanna
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die.
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