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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:24,020 Literally, for centuries in this country, in every country, 2 00:00:24,780 --> 00:00:25,940 people have been going to war, 3 00:00:29,060 --> 00:00:30,220 they've had skirmishes, 4 00:00:31,460 --> 00:00:35,320 they've been in battle, and when they come home from these battles, 5 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:37,600 everybody says the same thing: 6 00:00:39,380 --> 00:00:41,260 "My loved one came home a different person." 7 00:00:42,480 --> 00:00:46,500 Every war fighter that went to war kicked a door, did some stuff, 8 00:00:48,220 --> 00:00:50,620 came home and said, "You know what? I don't feel like the same 9 00:00:50,620 --> 00:00:51,220 person." 10 00:00:53,420 --> 00:00:56,000 Well, they're not, we're not, I'm not... 11 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,840 I still have PTSD from being an infantryman in the Marines. 12 00:01:08,060 --> 00:01:11,400 You see stuff, and you lose brothers, you lose friends. 13 00:01:12,820 --> 00:01:15,780 He was under so many drugs that they gave him, 14 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:21,520 that he was like a zombie, and he wanted 15 00:01:22,140 --> 00:01:22,780 to just let the pain go. 16 00:01:26,220 --> 00:01:29,240 My history with the zombie dope started at Walter Reed Army Medical Center, 17 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:32,860 when a field grade officer officer gave me my first prescription of Seroquel, 18 00:01:33,100 --> 00:01:35,140 couldn't do it on the dope, it's all bad, it was just all 19 00:01:35,140 --> 00:01:37,000 bad, but I got off of it. 20 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,040 Nobody was in tune, and my son died, 21 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,980 he took his own life because of that drug. This study is built 22 00:01:46,980 --> 00:01:52,420 around the idea that we were looking for veterans with combat related trauma 23 00:01:52,740 --> 00:01:56,040 because we felt that there was such a dire need with the epidemic 24 00:01:56,040 --> 00:02:02,600 of veteran suicide in this country. Marijuana 100% saved my life, 25 00:02:03,620 --> 00:02:06,320 it created lives, as in my daughters, 26 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:11,040 and then all my buddies that I'm helping that... That are along the 27 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:11,620 process. 28 00:02:19,850 --> 00:02:26,280 Josh is US Marine Corps combat veteran of 3rd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment, 29 00:02:26,290 --> 00:02:30,195 who was one of the very last casualties of the Battle of Fallujah in 30 00:02:30,268 --> 00:02:34,760 2004, the largest urban combat operation since the Vietnam War. Josh was 31 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,060 part of a six week battle that involved vicious street by street and house 32 00:02:38,060 --> 00:02:42,360 by house fighting against an entrenched enemy that left nearly 100 American 33 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:43,400 soldiers and Marines dead, 34 00:02:44,748 --> 00:02:56,620 and 560 wounded. Charlie, oh my gosh, holy moly, hey babe. Josh was 35 00:02:56,630 --> 00:03:00,950 awarded his first Purple Heart in November 2002, when he was knocked unconscious 36 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,650 and suffered other wounds from a rocket propelled grenade blast. That's 37 00:03:04,686 --> 00:03:08,590 what I tell everybody, "Google that shit: '3rd Battalion 1st Marines in 38 00:03:08,650 --> 00:03:12,300 Fallujah.'" Less than a month later, he took a more serious wound when 39 00:03:12,300 --> 00:03:14,790 he got in a gunfight with an Iraqi insurgent while clearing a house 40 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:21,720 in Fallujah. Pillows, decorative pillows. Wow! A new blanket... Looks like 41 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:26,700 you went to grandma's house actually. He needed six blood transfusions to 42 00:03:26,700 --> 00:03:29,760 keep him alive, and eventually underwent 22 operations. 43 00:03:31,180 --> 00:03:34,290 Josh is an ambassador from the veteran community and an outspoken advocate 44 00:03:34,332 --> 00:03:37,700 for medical cannabis research. Without medical marijuana, 45 00:03:39,340 --> 00:03:41,780 I couldn't get up here and speak, I couldn't even get on a 46 00:03:41,780 --> 00:03:44,840 plane, I couldn't take my kids to school, I couldn't go to the 47 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,360 grocery store, I couldn't do any of that. And with medical marijuana 48 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,100 I can do all that and then some. And I stay in the 49 00:03:52,100 --> 00:03:55,220 community. Yeah, I have lots of limitations. You may look at me, 50 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:57,980 I'm totally fine but if I had some cut offs on... 51 00:03:59,500 --> 00:04:04,540 It's pretty serious stuff, but to have the VA tell you you're doing 52 00:04:04,540 --> 00:04:05,240 something bad 53 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:11,320 because it's illegal... It was voted on by guys that are probably dead 54 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:12,480 now, long gone, 55 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:17,760 we need to come, stop the madness, we need to get this stuff 56 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:19,240 on the books, we wanna save guys. 57 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:26,370 This is the real action, the pot partying, the trippers, the grasshoppers, 58 00:04:26,380 --> 00:04:31,780 the hip ones, all gathered in secrecy and flying high as a kite. Outside 59 00:04:31,780 --> 00:04:35,540 the boundaries of their phony world of kicks is the ever present possibility 60 00:04:35,540 --> 00:04:40,060 of discovery. This must be avoided at all costs, for discovery brings with 61 00:04:40,060 --> 00:04:45,100 it the penalties of society: Shame; arrest; prison. So destroy the evidence, 62 00:04:45,100 --> 00:04:48,400 leave not a trace, burn it in paper trash, that way, 63 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:53,100 they can deny possessing the illegal marijuana. Let's go back to 2003, 64 00:04:53,540 --> 00:04:58,280 2003 is when I joined the Marine Corps at age 26 years old. 65 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,470 I go to boot camp, I get on those yellow footprints; 66 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:05,280 man, my life changed forever and... 67 00:05:24,260 --> 00:05:29,840 I was in a battle of Fallujah, Operation Phantom Fury. Fallujah was like 68 00:05:29,840 --> 00:05:33,880 the hot spot where all the bad guys... Even Saddam Hussein was like... 69 00:05:33,980 --> 00:05:35,380 Just left Fallujah alone. 70 00:05:40,900 --> 00:05:44,440 Two weeks before I got shot, my second Purple Heart, I received my 71 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,360 first Purple Heart, an RPG blew up, 72 00:05:48,700 --> 00:05:51,320 I was up in the gun, and we had been... We had inched by a 73 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,580 couple of weeks in, and was just serious fighting, 74 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:58,020 just serious fighting, like the tanks and door to door. Everything was just 75 00:05:58,020 --> 00:06:01,540 going on. No, I wasn't happy to go up in the gun, 76 00:06:01,540 --> 00:06:04,840 but it's like... Yeah, I was replacing it 'cause Lance Corporal Burns got 77 00:06:04,840 --> 00:06:06,940 shot in his head and he was one of the best gunners 78 00:06:07,580 --> 00:06:10,100 in the platoon, and he got shot the first day. 79 00:06:10,700 --> 00:06:16,690 So that's when we were like, "Shit's gotten real." Hey, what bullshit gear 80 00:06:16,700 --> 00:06:20,617 we got out there? What was it? His Kevlar? Yeah, I mean do 81 00:06:20,627 --> 00:06:28,140 you... You have his Kevlar? Yeah. Right here. Hit right here. Okay. It's 82 00:06:28,151 --> 00:06:31,260 in the back of the head. 83 00:06:35,580 --> 00:06:39,360 And he pulled that outta there? Yeah, he's freaking... You see right there, 84 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:41,480 so 85 00:06:43,500 --> 00:06:45,936 I don't know, maybe he hit his head and bounced off or something, 86 00:06:45,946 --> 00:06:49,040 I don't know. It's weird. Ricocheted all around. 87 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:57,540 And then I see these... I see this RPG, the guy with RPG, and 88 00:06:58,980 --> 00:07:02,580 basically, we're sitting at an intersection. There's a house here, and I 89 00:07:02,580 --> 00:07:05,400 can look all over and I can see down the street. 90 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,260 And I'm like, "Oh there's a dude with the RPG." And I'm like, 91 00:07:08,260 --> 00:07:11,660 "RPG!" And then I come back and then he didn't shoot. 92 00:07:11,670 --> 00:07:14,700 And then I looked back for a third time and then it's like, "Shoot!" And 93 00:07:14,710 --> 00:07:18,520 it just goes dink, dink, dink. I'm like, "Oh, it's a dud", boom! 94 00:07:19,580 --> 00:07:22,620 And then I just woke up on the gun, I don't know how 95 00:07:22,620 --> 00:07:25,320 the hell I didn't freaking get my face blown off or anything, 96 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,060 but it was just like burns and scrapes, but I was, 97 00:07:28,070 --> 00:07:30,700 man, just so lucky, but not... And then 98 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:33,980 this goes into the day I got shot two weeks later, 99 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,320 and we were starting to come down. We knew we were going home 100 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,200 soon, too, 'cause on paper, we were supposed to go home in two 101 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:40,400 weeks. 102 00:07:42,260 --> 00:07:45,800 December 11th, we'll go back to December 11th, 2004. 103 00:07:48,930 --> 00:07:54,140 I was in a CAT team, combined anti armor team, and with basically 104 00:07:54,360 --> 00:08:00,000 four vehicles. The lead vehicle's the 50 cal, and then I was the 105 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,460 rear vehicle, rear security with the Mark 19 grenade launcher. 106 00:08:05,020 --> 00:08:08,940 So, at this point we'd already shot... I'd probably already shot about 3,000 107 00:08:08,940 --> 00:08:14,940 Mark rounds. Yeah. That's what I'm talking about. This Frank Dizzle, my 108 00:08:15,033 --> 00:08:19,040 nizzle. We're getting so close to going home, all we could think about 109 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,660 was America and going home. And then Platoon Sergeant comes in and is like, 110 00:08:22,660 --> 00:08:25,900 "Hey, we gotta go back out, be on the trucks at 06:00." Man, and 111 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,860 so we go to the mayor's house in Fallujah. That was basically our 112 00:08:28,860 --> 00:08:32,220 AO. We were just gonna go. And some guys are on top of 113 00:08:32,220 --> 00:08:34,880 the house doing the OP. And then we see a guy run across 114 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:40,140 the street and kneel down. And it was like, "Guys, guys!" 115 00:08:40,140 --> 00:08:43,240 And then my buddy, Dickinson, first thing he does is he jumps out 116 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:47,340 and he ran down. And him and there was... I forget the other 117 00:08:47,340 --> 00:08:50,680 two Marines, and they all went down and then it was just total 118 00:08:50,680 --> 00:08:57,790 chaos, I just hear pop, pop, pop, pop. I'm still in the gun. 119 00:08:58,340 --> 00:09:01,620 I'm trying to get on the radio to call the QRF, the other 120 00:09:01,620 --> 00:09:04,220 team, the other vehicles 'cause there's... We only had two on one side 121 00:09:04,220 --> 00:09:06,640 and the other two were on the other side. So I jump out 122 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,900 of the gun and I run down probably, I don't know, 123 00:09:10,700 --> 00:09:13,700 50 meters. Then the rest of the QRF team came in, 124 00:09:13,700 --> 00:09:17,500 and that's when we went inside to go get Dickie 'cause he was 125 00:09:17,500 --> 00:09:21,040 down in there. Where'd he go? Where'd 126 00:09:22,740 --> 00:09:28,480 he go? Get in that motherfucker. Kill his ass. Yeah. And that's when we 127 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:29,260 go inside the... 128 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:34,030 In all the freaking... Just the chaos of pop... I saw the guy, pop pop pop! 129 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,860 And then there's three of us online, and 130 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:39,780 basically we shot at the same time. 131 00:09:42,020 --> 00:09:44,080 And then all of a sudden, my arm was just like... 132 00:09:44,740 --> 00:09:47,840 It just fell... My brain, it just felt like I got hit really, 133 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,500 really hard. They had to drive me four or five miles to the 134 00:09:51,020 --> 00:09:54,020 Surgical Center. Then all I remember, I wanted to go to sleep 'cause 135 00:09:54,620 --> 00:09:58,660 I'm in the back of the Humvee. And then, Eubanks, private... Or PFC 136 00:09:58,660 --> 00:10:02,520 Eubanks is just sitting there like, "Frank, you gotta stay awake." I'm like, 137 00:10:02,550 --> 00:10:05,480 "Give me a cigarette." So I light the cigarette and he's like, "Okay." 138 00:10:05,580 --> 00:10:08,320 And then I'm like... And then I woke up on the table. 139 00:10:09,560 --> 00:10:17,180 Take a nice deep breath. Then exhale and let those ribs fall. That's perfect. 140 00:10:17,284 --> 00:10:21,820 Do you wanna be like, "Did he really get shot?" I mean, if 141 00:10:21,820 --> 00:10:24,580 I got shot, I'd be screaming if I was on the table and he 142 00:10:24,580 --> 00:10:25,540 was doing that to me. 143 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:26,900 Well. 144 00:10:28,330 --> 00:10:34,720 I did scream and cry alone many years, people. Terrence makes it easy, 145 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:47,230 look easy. Yeah, remember in the beginning, man? It was tough. Yeah.. Weekend 146 00:10:47,730 --> 00:11:01,440 at Bernie's? Second one is Sling Blade.. Alright, let's pull out the list 147 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:06,550 of everything they got. Problems, they call them: Head injury, shotgun wound, 148 00:11:06,560 --> 00:11:11,250 right shoulder, injury from terrorists, caused fire burns, vertigo, migraine 149 00:11:11,260 --> 00:11:16,200 headache, depression. I thought I had major depression and depression. Shit. 150 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:20,960 Yeah. You know I just... But this whole box was so adhered to by myofascial 151 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:25,300 adhesions that when I first met him, I couldn't get it to shift. 152 00:11:25,300 --> 00:11:28,980 It was actually moving muscle tissue and everything because it builds up 153 00:11:28,980 --> 00:11:32,920 scar tissue from the adhesions. But think about it, the muscle insertions 154 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,300 and all the nerve points that come through here, this thing is pressing 155 00:11:35,300 --> 00:11:36,600 on it every time he sits on a chair, 156 00:11:37,780 --> 00:11:40,820 so. If you think about it, I have this other surgery, that's why 157 00:11:40,830 --> 00:11:43,040 I did. But now I'm like, "I wanna do it, but then I'm 158 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:46,220 like, "Man I really don't wanna go... Through another surgery. 159 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:47,360 Like an Iraqi fire. That's the actual wires right there. Wow. It's a Medtronic 160 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:47,660 nerve stimulator. And I 161 00:11:54,700 --> 00:11:58,140 got like... Basically, that's another thing too because 162 00:11:58,940 --> 00:12:02,620 they got in good with the hospital. Basically these guys came to the 163 00:12:02,620 --> 00:12:06,520 hospital and put them in all of us. I mean, but even with 164 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,580 the repair and everything to the structure, there's muscle tissue that's 165 00:12:09,580 --> 00:12:12,300 gone, there's bony process that's gone. I got all of my X rays, 166 00:12:12,300 --> 00:12:16,640 too, so you can actually see, 'cause visual... People are really visual. 167 00:12:16,650 --> 00:12:20,480 Yeah, you can see just the structure of the it's completely different. 168 00:12:20,490 --> 00:12:21,780 You see it, and all the shrap metal from the bullet 169 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:27,300 that are still inside me, freaking, there's just... I don't know, it's just 170 00:12:27,300 --> 00:12:31,440 crazy. Yeah. If you wanna get a good story about that, 171 00:12:31,450 --> 00:12:36,140 ask the wife about when I got shot, freaking, like all the shit 172 00:12:36,140 --> 00:12:37,620 that they put me through, and her. 173 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:43,860 Here's the pictures of us on our... We had the big wedding. 174 00:12:44,500 --> 00:12:45,840 Got married for the second time. 175 00:12:47,660 --> 00:12:51,540 Very early on in meeting Josh, I was instantly attracted to 176 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:56,520 his easy going, just really humble nature. Never met anybody that didn't 177 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:59,700 like him and he pretty much liked everybody too. And I thought that 178 00:12:59,700 --> 00:13:00,020 was 179 00:13:01,860 --> 00:13:04,520 a pretty good quality. He's very much himself 180 00:13:05,380 --> 00:13:06,580 and confident. And 181 00:13:07,660 --> 00:13:09,980 who doesn't like a confident man? Honestly. 182 00:13:11,670 --> 00:13:15,100 And I don't think I was as confident. And so 183 00:13:15,700 --> 00:13:17,740 I think he lifted me up, and 184 00:13:18,940 --> 00:13:22,460 I think we were a good balance. This dude just beat me by 185 00:13:22,470 --> 00:13:26,740 a... He was ranked 2,378th and I would've won if... 186 00:13:28,330 --> 00:13:28,980 It's just a game. 187 00:13:30,460 --> 00:13:32,340 He seems to make the best out of 188 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:35,020 most situations. And 189 00:13:36,680 --> 00:13:39,980 after we got married, we really learned the true testament in that. 190 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:44,300 But I just could see us just being a really strong team. 191 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:48,709 We were a really strong team from very early on, and the commitment 192 00:13:48,766 --> 00:13:51,740 was strong, and the friendship was amazing. Amazing. So 193 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:57,000 I'm truly convinced that I married my best friend. Josh was attached to 194 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:57,480 3 1 195 00:13:58,560 --> 00:14:02,580 shortly after we got engaged. We didn't know how long before he got 196 00:14:02,580 --> 00:14:04,960 cut orders and how long before it was gonna be before he left 197 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,960 for Iraq. So we eloped, it was very quiet, we kept it that 198 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,400 way. He deployed. I spent the whole time he was deployed, 199 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,920 going to school and planning our wedding for when he came home. 200 00:14:16,330 --> 00:14:18,920 That was something to keep me busy, something to focus on. 201 00:14:19,150 --> 00:14:22,960 I always told Josh before he left, I said, "If officers show up 202 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,280 at the door, I won't open the door, 'cause I already know what 203 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:27,940 they're there for. I don't need them to say anything, I already know 204 00:14:27,940 --> 00:14:31,760 what it's about." He'd been gone seven and a half months, 205 00:14:32,020 --> 00:14:33,700 and the day that I 206 00:14:35,620 --> 00:14:40,920 dropped 175 wedding invitations in the mail was the day I also found 207 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:45,000 out that he'd been severely injured in Iraq, 208 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,740 which was also two weeks before our one year wedding anniversary, 209 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:53,980 and two weeks before the day he was supposed to be coming home. 210 00:14:56,200 --> 00:15:00,340 I don't think there is really any way you can prepare yourself for 211 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:06,300 what's coming next, because it's all just one question mark after another 212 00:15:06,310 --> 00:15:10,280 after another. Looking back now, it was a whirlwind, 22 surgeries in 18 213 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:15,440 months. We didn't really start to see a lot of Josh's PTSD issues 214 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:20,980 until he started to recover from all of the reconstruction of his shoulder. 215 00:15:21,860 --> 00:15:24,160 That took precedence over everything. 216 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:29,440 We didn't start to even diagnose or look into 217 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,380 what this has done to him mentally. The first 218 00:15:33,980 --> 00:15:37,220 three years he was out of the military, he was a shell of 219 00:15:37,220 --> 00:15:41,280 a human being. Lights were on but there really was not anybody home. 220 00:15:42,100 --> 00:15:49,900 He was very isolated. This really joyful person and leader, and always active 221 00:15:49,900 --> 00:15:54,070 and super friendly person, did not exist. He kept to himself, 222 00:15:54,990 --> 00:15:57,260 he didn't go anywhere, he didn't do anything, 223 00:15:58,380 --> 00:15:58,810 he took pills. 224 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,000 That's what he did. He took pills and he went to the VA, 225 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:10,880 so that they would keep giving him pills. Alright, active medications. 226 00:16:11,220 --> 00:16:15,560 This was back in '07. I can't even pronounce half these things: 227 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:26,080 Controlled Substance Release 180mg Verapamil, Clonidine, Seroquel. It's 228 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:26,920 ridiculous. And 229 00:16:28,020 --> 00:16:29,660 this is just what they start you with. 230 00:16:30,780 --> 00:16:31,160 And 231 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:33,880 reading in here, 232 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:36,020 there's so much, 233 00:16:37,060 --> 00:16:42,220 these medical records, and there's so many of us that had this stuff. 234 00:16:42,220 --> 00:16:45,880 And look at this, refills left. Let's just go to that, 235 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,580 we don't have to worry about whatever the hell the freakin' the pill 236 00:16:48,580 --> 00:16:51,140 is, because we already know there's a bunch of pills and the opium 237 00:16:51,140 --> 00:16:54,640 problem, the opiates and all this. Refills left, 1 of 1, 3 of 238 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,680 3, 1 of 1, 3 of 3. This is one, two, 239 00:16:58,700 --> 00:17:02,893 three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12, 13, 240 00:17:03,018 --> 00:17:06,420 and this is back in '06, so this is way before the damn 241 00:17:06,430 --> 00:17:12,650 2007, 2008, 2009, I could get in to all those. Are you kidding me? Three 242 00:17:12,676 --> 00:17:13,880 of 3. All that money wasted, 243 00:17:15,700 --> 00:17:20,660 it makes no sense. And then it all goes back to freaking, 244 00:17:21,180 --> 00:17:25,300 all this stuff, it made me feel like a complete piece of shit. 245 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,360 I didn't wanna live, you know what I mean? I thought that it 246 00:17:28,360 --> 00:17:31,260 wasn't because of this, I'm like, "Well they're trying to help me." 247 00:17:31,540 --> 00:17:35,340 They wanna avoid the troops. They're like, "Well, what can help them?" 248 00:17:35,340 --> 00:17:37,180 Then they wanna listen, and then you tell them, and then you're like, 249 00:17:37,180 --> 00:17:39,280 "Hey actually, weed will help us." And then they're like, "Well, 250 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,900 oh no. Hey, you guys are talking that crazy talk." 251 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:44,560 But, weed just helps me stay in the here and now. 252 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:48,300 And this is just... How many times have we've been talking about this, 253 00:17:48,300 --> 00:17:50,640 honestly? We've been talking about weed this long? 254 00:17:52,860 --> 00:17:56,460 Come on, man, all those pills Frey dog with you, everybody, 255 00:17:56,460 --> 00:17:58,800 and they saw me on all the pills, I was crazy. 256 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:00,880 They see me on the weed, they're like, "I love you, 257 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:06,680 Frey. Frey, how do you do it?" Weed and freaking determination, 258 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:06,980 and 259 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:09,670 happy that I have two legs. 260 00:18:10,740 --> 00:18:13,220 Yeah, I got shot and it hurts and all this, but my buddy 261 00:18:13,220 --> 00:18:16,380 Joe, and my buddy Bo Jones, and all these other dudes missing legs, 262 00:18:16,630 --> 00:18:19,140 to have them not to complain either, that's where it's like, 263 00:18:19,140 --> 00:18:21,600 "Damn, I'm definitely not complaining about my shit." And 264 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,260 it all goes back to green. They're all on the green. 265 00:18:25,370 --> 00:18:25,670 Marijuana. 266 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:31,800 My name is Janel Ralph, I am the Executive Director of Compassionate South 267 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:37,140 Carolina, also known as csc.health. We are the patients' advocacy group, 268 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:41,240 fighting for patients' rights in South Carolina, to be able to use medical 269 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:44,040 cannabis through a tightly regulated comprehensive program. 270 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,140 Today, we are here at the Richland County Library in Columbia, 271 00:18:48,140 --> 00:18:53,500 South Carolina, filming several PSAs. We have medical professionals, we 272 00:18:53,500 --> 00:18:57,320 have law enforcer officers, and we have several patients from around the 273 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:01,440 states, all coming in to talk about their stories and why they support 274 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:07,220 medical marijuana. Action. Currently, what's legal here is industrial hemp, 275 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,520 so we have a hemp program here that was passed last year. 276 00:19:10,180 --> 00:19:14,380 We initially had in 2014, one of the CBD only bills. 277 00:19:14,580 --> 00:19:15,320 CBD is not a fix all. 278 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:19,260 For a lot of people, they need higher levels of THC, 279 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:23,060 or they need THC to help improve their quality of life. 280 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:27,520 Whereas CBD is... It's great and it benefits a lot of areas, 281 00:19:27,820 --> 00:19:31,900 but having access to the whole entire plant is extremely important for a 282 00:19:31,900 --> 00:19:36,060 lot of different complicated conditions. So the scientific definition of 283 00:19:36,060 --> 00:19:40,460 the plant is THC dominant, trace amounts of CBD is marijuana, 284 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:45,620 CBD dominant, trace amounts of THC is hemp. And so that's how it's 285 00:19:45,620 --> 00:19:50,320 defined. Now that we have Federal programs under the Federal Farm Bill to 286 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,520 be able to cultivate and grow hemp under pilot research programs, 287 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,600 we've seen a lot of these CBD products enter the market in the 288 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,840 last three years, 'cause they are legal products grown federally compliant, 289 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:02,500 where medical marijuana is still a Schedule 1 drug, 290 00:20:03,060 --> 00:20:05,920 so now we have to fight on a state by state level to 291 00:20:05,980 --> 00:20:08,040 allow access to the other part of the plant. 292 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:18,158 Certainly in terms of overdose, people treating pain through cannabis have 293 00:20:18,185 --> 00:20:21,070 zero chance of an overdose. That's a good thing to touch on, right there. 294 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,920 Yeah, I have no personal story. But you're a good storyteller. I was 295 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:28,430 the chief federal law enforcement officer for six and a half years.. 296 00:20:30,940 --> 00:20:33,220 Well, actually you do though, Bill, if you think about it, 297 00:20:33,220 --> 00:20:36,250 because while you were the United States attorney, you changed policy on... 298 00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:40,240 Oh yeah, yeah. Doctors are not allowed to prescribe it, doctors are only 299 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:44,120 allowed to recommend it, otherwise they risk their license to prescribe 300 00:20:44,120 --> 00:20:46,480 other drugs, because as a Schedule 1 drug, 301 00:20:47,020 --> 00:20:51,800 it is classified as no medicinal benefits. It's classified higher than crystal 302 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:52,160 meth, 303 00:20:53,420 --> 00:20:56,140 as in cocaine, and a lot of these very damaging drugs, 304 00:20:56,140 --> 00:21:01,180 obviously, opiates, which we know. So it's got a higher classification on 305 00:21:01,180 --> 00:21:06,020 that list. So if the federal government actually de scheduled cannabis and 306 00:21:06,020 --> 00:21:09,740 there was a system to dispense it, through the federal government. 307 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:14,120 Then, of course... I guess patients could get access if doctors wanted to 308 00:21:14,120 --> 00:21:17,920 write prescriptions for it. We're years away from that ever happening. 309 00:21:19,780 --> 00:21:23,520 That type of a system is not workable for many, many years to 310 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,880 come, because if they de scheduled, then it has to go through the 311 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,440 FDA process, there's gonna be IND drug trials that'll have to be set 312 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,000 up, and some of these drug trials take five, 10 years. 313 00:21:32,460 --> 00:21:35,840 This is a... The whole notion of the FDA 314 00:21:36,500 --> 00:21:42,240 allowing access to medical marijuana is not a comprehensive notion. We could 315 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,780 be waiting 20 years, and thousands and thousands of more people will pass 316 00:21:45,780 --> 00:21:48,660 away and die, with something we know has never killed anybody. 317 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:54,100 I've never been against marijuana, I've never been against people that use 318 00:21:54,100 --> 00:21:58,540 marijuana, I've never really had a strong opinion on it one way or 319 00:21:58,540 --> 00:22:02,840 the other. My opinion started to shift a lot when 320 00:22:04,120 --> 00:22:07,660 I was witnessing what pharmaceuticals were doing to my husband, 321 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:14,360 and then on the occasions when he would smoke marijuana and use marijuana, 322 00:22:15,300 --> 00:22:19,410 I would start to catch glimpses of the person I fell in love with. Send 323 00:22:19,470 --> 00:22:20,660 that one to Madison. The 324 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:29,080 more he partook in marijuana, the less pills he took, and he started 325 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:35,800 eliminating one pill at a time. And as the caregiver, you would think 326 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,140 that since I'd been so involved with all of his care, 327 00:22:38,140 --> 00:22:41,020 that I would know, to a tee, what pills he was taking. 328 00:22:41,460 --> 00:22:42,720 At this point, I didn't. 329 00:22:46,100 --> 00:22:48,240 Let's see how good at this, still. 330 00:22:50,580 --> 00:22:54,700 I don't think for probably four years, he took what he was actually 331 00:22:54,700 --> 00:22:58,620 prescribed from the VA, he took what worked for him. Today, 332 00:22:58,630 --> 00:23:04,820 Josh is pill free, he 100% uses marijuana for all of his 333 00:23:05,340 --> 00:23:07,340 injuries, whether they're mental or physical. 334 00:23:09,660 --> 00:23:11,620 I went in there and then came out of the back. 335 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:17,040 He's much more calm and he's able to go out into public, 336 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,360 and actually be relaxed in a public setting, 337 00:23:21,100 --> 00:23:24,720 which was absolutely impossible before. We avoided a lot of public places, 338 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:30,360 crowds, etcetera, etcetera, because it was just absolutely too much for 339 00:23:30,437 --> 00:23:34,160 him. This is a good idea, this is a good idea. Alright I 340 00:23:34,170 --> 00:23:37,540 gotta go. Now I'm becoming more of an advocate, 341 00:23:38,300 --> 00:23:41,500 because a man I haven't seen in seven years, 342 00:23:42,780 --> 00:23:43,660 he's starting to come back. 343 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:46,960 He's never gonna be the same person, 344 00:23:48,700 --> 00:23:52,480 but lots of him is still the same, lots. The man I married, 345 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,800 the man that I fell in love with, he's in there, 346 00:23:54,940 --> 00:23:58,280 I see him a lot more now that he's not on any pills 347 00:23:58,460 --> 00:24:00,400 than I did for seven years. 348 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,860 Decisions out there, like in training, there are real 349 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,400 consequences that you can't get back. 350 00:24:09,660 --> 00:24:10,860 And that's what happened 351 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:18,380 Easter weekend in 2007. It was a fucking terrible weekend. We hear a 352 00:24:18,380 --> 00:24:22,680 blast, and then find out that six guys are blown up and they're 353 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,960 all dead and you're like, "You're not too far away from it." 354 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,140 And it was a big blast. 355 00:24:30,940 --> 00:24:34,560 And then all the drills go out the window. All the drills go 356 00:24:34,570 --> 00:24:38,060 out the window, and everybody's at risk, and there's no way you cannot 357 00:24:38,060 --> 00:24:42,780 go downrange. So let's put the blade down on the biggest vehicle there 358 00:24:42,780 --> 00:24:44,740 and clear an emergency lane up. And 359 00:24:45,940 --> 00:24:49,100 find myself in the dark with an infrared glow stick for a Black 360 00:24:49,100 --> 00:24:52,020 Hawk to land, to pick up my buddies that I was supposed to 361 00:24:52,020 --> 00:24:54,600 make stay on the other side that fucking ditch. And there's one VSA and 362 00:24:54,635 --> 00:24:56,970 one guy still alive, and you think, "Okay, we're getting one out," but by 363 00:24:56,980 --> 00:24:59,780 the time you 364 00:25:05,210 --> 00:25:09,640 got to the Black Hawk from the vehicle, he was dead. There's two 365 00:25:09,650 --> 00:25:14,580 VSAs heading to Kandahar Airfield for a ramp ceremony that 366 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:19,060 should have been sitting in their vehicles until the sun came up. And 367 00:25:19,060 --> 00:25:20,840 that was a bullet I had to swallow. 368 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,000 That's fucking war. So I came back from that, 369 00:25:27,660 --> 00:25:31,980 the summer of 2007, was diagnosed with PTSD. 370 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,480 That was three years in the pharmaceutical chain. I took 371 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,280 nine pills a day for three solid years 372 00:25:40,300 --> 00:25:45,720 as a member of the army, prescribed by army doctors. SSRIs and benzos, 373 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:51,410 like Clonazepam, Paxil, Wellbutrin, Seroquel, Abilify, trazodone, Risperdal. 374 00:25:51,493 --> 00:25:52,340 Try it all. 375 00:25:53,420 --> 00:25:54,000 I'm not sure how 376 00:25:55,060 --> 00:26:01,020 they're treating us. The symptoms of PTSD with the medication that I have 377 00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:05,660 witnessed and found, cause more problems, not relieve problems. 378 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:11,800 Myself and my peers, and my friends became zombies on these type of 379 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:18,220 medications: Fat zombies, lazy, fat zombies, like fucking beyond. 380 00:26:19,020 --> 00:26:19,620 And 381 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,680 you're in a fog almost, you can't really fucking 382 00:26:25,580 --> 00:26:29,980 grasp the here and now, it doesn't... There is no real fucking here 383 00:26:29,980 --> 00:26:33,210 and now, there's kind of a fog you're in, and you're just lethargically 384 00:26:33,220 --> 00:26:38,360 moving through time. You're existing, you're not really fucking living life 385 00:26:38,780 --> 00:26:43,680 and doing anything. So after three years of this fog and destruction 386 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,760 of my life, I came back with a little bit of clarity, 387 00:26:47,770 --> 00:26:51,360 and at the age of 31, I put cannabis to my lips. 388 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,960 And I took a big puff, and it was the first time in 389 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:01,140 three years that my brain relaxed and my physiological body 390 00:27:02,340 --> 00:27:08,020 stopped being tense. And I smoked so much that night, I puked and 391 00:27:08,020 --> 00:27:11,000 I slept good and I woke up and I said, "Get me more." 392 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,760 And over the next year to two years, I got off of every 393 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,400 single pharmaceutical and I haven't looked back since. 394 00:27:23,700 --> 00:27:26,220 A lot of people join the military and they say, "Oh I just 395 00:27:26,220 --> 00:27:30,280 wanna serve my country. I want to do good for other people." 396 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:35,340 And that's really nice, that's fine and dandy, I think that's really noble. 397 00:27:35,940 --> 00:27:39,630 That's the thing people say, and I think it's the politically correct thing 398 00:27:39,810 --> 00:27:43,000 to say. Myself, I didn't join for any of those reasons. 399 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,720 I joined the military and I represent those guys that basically joined 'cause 400 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,580 they wanted to get in a good gunfight. That's what I wanted to 401 00:27:50,580 --> 00:27:55,220 do, that's what my life revolved around, that's what I... When my head 402 00:27:55,220 --> 00:27:57,360 hit the pillow at night, what I thought about was, 403 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,120 "Can I win a fight to the death, and where do I gotta 404 00:28:00,120 --> 00:28:01,760 go to make that happen?" 405 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,180 I know that's not politically correct, but that's just the truth. 406 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,420 And I think there's a lot of us out here that... 407 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,920 That we're just born that way, and that's what we do, 408 00:28:12,100 --> 00:28:15,120 and then when that gets taken away, where do we go? 409 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,500 What do we do? 'Cause I'm not a criminal, I live by an 410 00:28:17,500 --> 00:28:20,400 ethos. I don't just wanna walk around and shoot people. 411 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:30,280 I like that Patton's army type of mentality, I like that General Mattis 412 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:32,020 mentality of, 413 00:28:33,300 --> 00:28:34,880 "Do what it takes, get the job done, 414 00:28:37,140 --> 00:28:37,900 live by your wits, 415 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:43,160 and let your grit drive you." I wanted to lead troops in battle, 416 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,720 that was what I longed to do, that was where I felt my 417 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:48,580 destiny was. 418 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,400 Before I was medically discharged from the United States Army, 419 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:02,920 I served as a 37 Foxtrot, which is a tactical psychological operations specialist. 420 00:29:03,380 --> 00:29:05,400 And before that I served in the infantry. 421 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,560 I went to Fort Benning, Georgia, also attended Airborne School there, 422 00:29:10,020 --> 00:29:12,920 later I served with the 82nd Airborne Division, and these days 423 00:29:13,580 --> 00:29:19,000 I'm a warfighter activist. Easy 104.1, your hometown radio station. It is 424 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:23,240 the Johnny B and Dave show and we are joined by a special 425 00:29:23,250 --> 00:29:31,260 guest. A radio guy, author, war fighter, marijuana enthusiast, not enthusiast, 426 00:29:31,310 --> 00:29:33,810 but... Advocate. Advocate, thank you, that's the word I was looking for. 427 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,960 Activist. Boone Cutler. How are you doing, man? How are you doing? Good 428 00:29:36,002 --> 00:29:38,300 morning. Welcome. So thrilled to have you on the show. I'm trying to 429 00:29:38,300 --> 00:29:42,320 be a knowledge olobist. You do know a lot... I'm working at the 430 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,860 knowledge oloby. Listen, you are a guy that knows a lot about a 431 00:29:45,860 --> 00:29:48,640 lot of stuff, 'cause you're a psy ops guy. Yeah. I was a psy operator in 432 00:29:48,677 --> 00:29:51,720 the United States Army... Here's the thing, in the United States Army, I 433 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,600 was trained to go into countries, develop a theme and a message to 434 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,400 influence attitudes that change behavior in other countries, that was my 435 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,200 job. You got a new version of the book coming up. Yeah, get 436 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,420 ready for "Call Sign Voodoo", that's my new book coming out. 437 00:30:05,420 --> 00:30:09,050 It's about a lot of psychological operations, some stuff I did in Iraq and 438 00:30:09,089 --> 00:30:11,500 how it affected the United States. Super, super interesting. Boone, thanks 439 00:30:11,500 --> 00:30:14,010 for spending some time with us today. Yeah. Thanks Boone. My pleasure. We'll 440 00:30:14,020 --> 00:30:15,260 get back to music now on Easy 441 00:30:25,490 --> 00:30:33,120 104.1. Cool. By far the worst time in my life was Walter Reed Army 442 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,380 Medical Center. I was there for two years after I left Iraq. 443 00:30:36,540 --> 00:30:37,480 When I got hurt, 444 00:30:38,660 --> 00:30:41,160 there wasn't much to it, I ran around a corner and I ran 445 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,620 into a mortar, and boom, it exploded and 446 00:30:45,460 --> 00:30:48,720 it rocked my world a little bit, and that's why I was at Walter Reed for 447 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:53,580 that. It was TBI, traumatic brain injury, it was PTSD, multiple orthopedic 448 00:30:53,580 --> 00:30:57,480 injuries that I'd sustained during the tour. And all these things were... 449 00:30:58,660 --> 00:31:01,440 It was what they refer to as polytrauma. It was a whole bunch 450 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,380 of different systems that were out of whack or injured. And 451 00:31:04,940 --> 00:31:07,740 because of the treatment, for one, it caused problems in another, 452 00:31:07,740 --> 00:31:12,660 and it just creates this cycle of all bad, all bad. 453 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,280 And I don't think anybody at Walter Reed was necessarily trying to do 454 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,680 anything negative or 455 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,160 less than standard of care for me. I just think that they had 456 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:27,170 a lot of wounded and there just weren't enough people to deal with all the 457 00:31:27,244 --> 00:31:33,610 wounded, and guys were severely wounded. In today's modern war, survival 458 00:31:33,620 --> 00:31:37,880 has become an issue, because those guys that would have died on the 459 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:42,500 battlefield are surviving the battlefield. In Iraq, you could be at a level 460 00:31:42,500 --> 00:31:47,289 one trauma unit in very short order from the battlefield. And so guys 461 00:31:47,331 --> 00:31:53,240 were surviving. And I don't think that this era of military medicine was 462 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,360 ready to receive 463 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,120 that type of trauma because we weren't dying. 464 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,325 So is it good that we were surviving? Yes, absolutely, absolutely, 465 00:32:06,387 --> 00:32:07,100 it was good. 466 00:32:08,780 --> 00:32:11,920 But there's a cause and effect, and the other side of the effect 467 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:12,220 is, 468 00:32:13,740 --> 00:32:16,580 they didn't know how to treat us. And there were too many of 469 00:32:16,580 --> 00:32:20,040 us, and nobody had prepared for that many wounded. 470 00:32:21,660 --> 00:32:25,020 So we got a lot of drugs, we got a lot of drugs. 471 00:32:26,620 --> 00:32:29,460 So I go in, I see this psychiatrist for the very first time, 472 00:32:30,660 --> 00:32:34,960 first psych appointment at Walter Reed. And he says, "Let's talk about your 473 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,580 PTSD." I'm like, "I ain't one of those guys, I don't have PTSD. 474 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,740 I'm not some punk ass little bitch. I don't have PTSD, 475 00:32:41,740 --> 00:32:44,800 I have a traumatic brain injury, I need to see a neurologist." 476 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,660 And I definitely had an attitude with him. 477 00:32:49,380 --> 00:32:52,620 He didn't give me another word, he spun around in his chair, 478 00:32:53,580 --> 00:32:54,600 took out a piece of paper, 479 00:32:56,100 --> 00:32:59,020 handed me that piece of paper, said, "Go down to the pharmacy, 480 00:32:59,020 --> 00:33:02,680 fill this, come back next week." I said, "What is it, 481 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,540 doc?" He says, "It'll help you sleep." 482 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:10,030 I was all welcoming of sleep 'cause I wasn't sleeping, hadn't slept for 483 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:10,440 months. 484 00:33:12,380 --> 00:33:14,420 So I went down to the pharmacy, I got that script, 485 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:21,720 and it was Seroquel. And from my first dose of Seroquel, it was 486 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:32,120 a downhill slide. From that first dose, my 487 00:33:32,860 --> 00:33:35,920 will to do things the way I wanted to do just 488 00:33:36,820 --> 00:33:37,460 slipped away, 489 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,260 and from there it was a plethora of other drugs on top of 490 00:33:43,260 --> 00:33:47,380 the Seroquel. Well, now we skip a few years ahead, and I'm back 491 00:33:47,380 --> 00:33:50,520 on the block. I'm in a VA, I've been 492 00:33:51,140 --> 00:33:55,620 medically released from the military, no longer on active duty, trying to 493 00:33:55,620 --> 00:33:58,540 find an identity in the world again. Meanwhile, I was spun out of 494 00:33:58,540 --> 00:34:02,160 my mind, not just because of the drugs, but because I'm still dealing 495 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,020 with all the injuries that I had before 496 00:34:05,940 --> 00:34:09,280 that people took shortcuts on, that didn't get resolved. 497 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,660 So I still have all the injuries and all of the problems, 498 00:34:12,740 --> 00:34:15,320 but now I have a huge drug problem on top of it. 499 00:34:16,720 --> 00:34:17,560 I'd had enough, 500 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,040 enough. I did not care anymore. 501 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,540 And they come around to me with all the drugs 502 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:26,800 and I'd say, "No, thank you." 503 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,880 They would tell me, "Well, you have the choice, against medical advice, 504 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,620 AMA, you don't have to take the drugs, but we don't recommend it, 505 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,980 you're gonna go crazy." And I say, "Hey, the door is locked, let's 506 00:34:36,980 --> 00:34:40,940 go crazy, let's see what happens." And I went a little crazy. 507 00:34:42,060 --> 00:34:44,300 But by the end of the 17 days, I was off the drugs. 508 00:34:45,780 --> 00:34:48,620 Well I wasn't sleeping. And I was at work, and this young kid 509 00:34:48,620 --> 00:34:51,400 came up to me and he said, "Man, you look like hell, 510 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,000 what's going on?" And I said, "I can't sleep." 511 00:34:54,720 --> 00:34:58,500 He said, "Why don't you smoke some weed?" And I was so offended 512 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,200 that this guy would look at me and think I was one of 513 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,580 those people that smokes weed. 514 00:35:04,700 --> 00:35:06,100 "No, I don't smoke weed." 515 00:35:07,700 --> 00:35:11,540 Then I went another night without sleep. And as I'm laying there, 516 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,200 I'm reviewing all the things I have done to try and get sleep. 517 00:35:16,700 --> 00:35:20,820 So I'm thinking of all the herbal stuff I did, holistic stuff I 518 00:35:20,820 --> 00:35:25,360 did, all the drugs they... Every drug they gave me, the NyQuil, the 519 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:29,500 alcohol. In the morning time, looking at the sunrise and watching it set 520 00:35:29,500 --> 00:35:32,920 to reset my circadian rhythms. I did it all, 521 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:34,720 none of it worked. 522 00:35:37,240 --> 00:35:38,760 So I went to that kid the next day and I said, 523 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:39,740 "Okay, give me some weed." 524 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,140 And that night I slept five hours, 525 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:52,500 five hours, five uninterrupted, dream free, nightmare unplagued hours. 526 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,260 I hadn't slept five hours in five years 527 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:57,200 like that, 528 00:35:58,300 --> 00:36:00,160 at least. Imagine that. 529 00:36:03,020 --> 00:36:04,180 But I slept five hours 530 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:10,280 off something that had been demonized my whole life. 531 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,898 My name is Joey Gilbert, I'm a lawyer actually here in Reno, 532 00:36:26,973 --> 00:36:30,200 Nevada. But I was a former professional fighter. 533 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,920 And after I retired from fighting, I started practicing law full time. 534 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:40,240 And then in 2013, our governor here in Nevada signed a medical cannabis 535 00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:44,460 bill to provide cannabis to the people of Nevada, and I started working 536 00:36:44,460 --> 00:36:48,300 on cannabis at that time. What got me interested in the cannabis movement 537 00:36:48,300 --> 00:36:53,480 was veterans. I started getting lots of pro bono cases that involved veterans 538 00:36:53,740 --> 00:36:56,900 that had been doing things like self medicating. And by that I mean, 539 00:36:56,900 --> 00:36:59,480 they come back, they had all kinds of issues going on 540 00:37:00,020 --> 00:37:02,580 from their service, and they were trying to figure out a way to 541 00:37:02,580 --> 00:37:05,880 deal with it, and there just wasn't enough help or enough services back 542 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:10,200 here to get them through. The VA was mailing these guys bottles of 543 00:37:10,210 --> 00:37:13,560 pills, about this big, and I was just seeing an epidemic start. 544 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,820 I got involved because my father asked me... 545 00:37:16,460 --> 00:37:19,100 When your father is a commander in the Marine Corps, he more tells 546 00:37:19,100 --> 00:37:21,320 you. So he said, "Son, I got some cases I need some help 547 00:37:22,460 --> 00:37:26,840 So after almost 31 pro bono cases and taking these guys across Nevada, 548 00:37:27,100 --> 00:37:30,280 and beating these things, I started realizing there was a pattern. 549 00:37:30,290 --> 00:37:33,630 And I said, "What's going on here?" And I looked back and said, "Why are 550 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,660 these guys getting in trouble across the country, across the state for these 551 00:37:36,660 --> 00:37:39,440 little things?" And like I just said, it was self medication, 552 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:44,130 they were using alcohol, prescription drugs, over the counter drugs, Adderall 553 00:37:44,193 --> 00:37:47,680 from their brother, anything they could get their hands on to try and 554 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,980 get this change, this head change to try and figure out what was 555 00:37:49,980 --> 00:37:53,480 going on. And so based on that and talking with people, 556 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,220 I said to a few of these vets, "Why don't you try cannabis?" 557 00:37:56,500 --> 00:38:00,640 And then what happened from there was just magic. I have text messages 558 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,320 in my phone where wives say to me, "Thank you for my husband back, 559 00:38:04,620 --> 00:38:06,980 it was the first time we were intimate again in four years. 560 00:38:06,980 --> 00:38:10,580 Thank you for my kids' father back, it's the first time I've seen 561 00:38:10,580 --> 00:38:13,380 him laugh or go with his kids somewhere since he got back from 562 00:38:13,380 --> 00:38:13,800 Iraq." 563 00:38:16,620 --> 00:38:20,580 So the biggest problem that we faced with veterans, with guys and girls 564 00:38:20,580 --> 00:38:24,520 that served, was they didn't wanna have this designation of having PTSD, 565 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,220 getting a medical card, and then having to lose 566 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,340 rights or lose access to certain things. And as everyone knows, 567 00:38:31,350 --> 00:38:35,200 marijuana is illegal at the federal level, so these guys could potentially 568 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:39,260 lose out on veterans benefits if they use something that actually was much 569 00:38:39,270 --> 00:38:44,300 safer, non addictive, non toxic, not lethal, but here was the conundrum: 570 00:38:44,300 --> 00:38:47,460 Do I use something that really helps me and makes my quality of 571 00:38:47,460 --> 00:38:52,380 life so much better or do I risk losing my benefits? 572 00:38:52,380 --> 00:38:55,360 And it was a problem. It created a lot of problems. 573 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,180 Cannabis took a lot of guys out of a funk and gave them 574 00:39:03,180 --> 00:39:06,720 hope again. It made them feel like they could deal with whatever it 575 00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:09,680 was they were dealing with without being a zombie, without having to take 576 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,120 these meds that made their eyes white out, 577 00:39:12,900 --> 00:39:15,200 white in the corner of their mouths, and they just sat there. 578 00:39:15,210 --> 00:39:19,420 And as everyone knows, we were losing 22 plus a day, 579 00:39:19,420 --> 00:39:22,640 minimum. So that was the issue. And I really got to see 580 00:39:23,240 --> 00:39:26,180 people I knew, like I said, like Boone, and here we are, 581 00:39:26,180 --> 00:39:31,400 introduced cannabis to him. Man, everything slowed down. Like you said, 582 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,480 the anxiety went away. Ability to go out and just do the simple 583 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,000 normal things that a lot of us take for granted. So that's what 584 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,760 I noticed. If anything, I could say anything, it just takes the edge 585 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,180 off. It's not a silver bullet, it's not gonna solve everything for everyone, 586 00:39:44,180 --> 00:39:45,780 but the ability to 587 00:39:48,340 --> 00:39:51,360 enjoy your life, you know what I'm saying? To really be comfortable in 588 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,500 the moment, is what cannabis does. And it's what it did for Boone. And 589 00:39:54,500 --> 00:39:57,380 that's what I've learned, is that if you're gonna help these guys get 590 00:39:57,380 --> 00:40:01,620 off the dope, and that's what it is, the pharmaceutical stuff is pure 591 00:40:01,620 --> 00:40:04,480 crap, it's killing these guys, it's absolutely killing them. They know it, 592 00:40:05,500 --> 00:40:07,000 and they won't let them use something that will help them. 593 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:11,520 And so what I noticed the biggest sways was when he ran out 594 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,800 of product, and I'd get a call from his wife saying, 595 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,820 "Oh my god, he's in a bad spot right now." And I would 596 00:40:15,820 --> 00:40:17,700 say, "How is he on his meds?" "He hasn't had them for three 597 00:40:17,700 --> 00:40:20,260 days." "Why didn't he call me?" "He doesn't wanna ask you for anything." 598 00:40:20,420 --> 00:40:23,500 Which is textbook for anybody that came out of the military. 599 00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:27,380 Veterans don't want your sympathy, they don't want you to... They don't 600 00:40:27,380 --> 00:40:30,300 want your pity. Get out of their way, respect them, and they're gonna 601 00:40:30,300 --> 00:40:32,480 be fine. And so that's what I really noticed. And that's part of 602 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,800 the problem as well, because cannabis isn't everywhere, it isn't easy to 603 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,200 get. They don't like asking anybody for anything. 604 00:40:38,780 --> 00:40:41,020 And at some point, 605 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,540 I'm thinking to myself, "Why is this illegal? 606 00:40:47,980 --> 00:40:51,500 How is this wrong? What is the problem here? 607 00:40:52,100 --> 00:40:53,620 Because, I don't really see one." 608 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,160 And all those feelings, all those thoughts, all that 609 00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,940 junk that people put in my head, I started to question. 610 00:41:04,580 --> 00:41:08,280 And every time I questioned it and I researched it on my own, 611 00:41:09,580 --> 00:41:12,780 I realized those people were just lying. Some of them didn't know they 612 00:41:12,780 --> 00:41:16,320 were lying, they were just repeating somebody else's lie, but ultimately 613 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:17,920 it was one big lie. 614 00:41:19,020 --> 00:41:22,620 People don't realize that cannabis was available in America, medically, 615 00:41:22,700 --> 00:41:26,600 from the middle 1800s, about 1839, when it first got introduced to western 616 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,080 medicine, all the way to the 1930s, in fact, up to 1937, 617 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:31,100 when they put through the Marijuana Tax Act. 618 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,960 Be careful how you use it, for to grow hemp legally, you must 619 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:40,440 have a federal registration and tax stamp. This is provided for in your 620 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:45,720 contract. Ask your AAA committeeman or your county agent about it. It was 621 00:41:45,720 --> 00:41:50,120 available, it had to have specific labeling instructions, it was a medicine, 622 00:41:50,220 --> 00:41:53,340 but it was in no way, shape, or form prohibited. In 1937, 623 00:41:53,340 --> 00:41:57,160 they passed the Marijuana Control Act, and what that did is tax cannabis 624 00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,640 and tax hemp so incredibly that it effectively put it out of business. 625 00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,960 The excise tax was so high, no one could afford to grow it. 626 00:42:04,460 --> 00:42:08,330 So, when you talk about cannabis legalization and the history of prohibition, 627 00:42:08,340 --> 00:42:13,780 it's an ugly past. It's very much steeped in racism and with the 628 00:42:13,780 --> 00:42:18,500 whole Reefer Madness movie, and all that propaganda, which we still see 629 00:42:18,820 --> 00:42:21,120 present in the stigma we have today. So 630 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:27,140 basically, Reefer Madness alluded to the fact that if white women use cannabis, 631 00:42:27,140 --> 00:42:31,260 they'll wanna sleep with black men, or they'll be jumping out of the 632 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:36,440 window or they're gonna be playing the piano crazy, and it's not true. 633 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:40,540 It was not based on fact, but it did have that hysteria effect. All 634 00:42:40,540 --> 00:42:43,700 of these devoted to marijuana records. 635 00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:48,620 Here is an example. 636 00:42:49,940 --> 00:42:53,310 A 16 year old lad, apprehended in the act of staging a hold 637 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,700 up. 16 years old and a marijuana addict. 638 00:42:57,770 --> 00:43:03,460 Here is a most tragic case. Yes, I remember. Just a young boy. Under 639 00:43:03,460 --> 00:43:07,160 the influence of the drug, he killed his entire family with an axe. And 640 00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,900 that carried on way into the '60s. In the '60s, they used the 641 00:43:09,900 --> 00:43:12,540 same prohibition against cannabis to go at the hippies, and again, 642 00:43:12,540 --> 00:43:15,400 people of color. So it's been rampant through the federal government to 643 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:22,780 target minorities through cannabis. So put simply, from 1952, 1956 to 1970, 644 00:43:22,940 --> 00:43:27,180 the United States government went on a campaign to systematically eradicate 645 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:31,380 any form of hemp or cannabis in the United States, period. And that 646 00:43:31,380 --> 00:43:34,960 took it even a step further, because in the 1970 Controlled Substances Act, 647 00:43:35,220 --> 00:43:40,020 they said that cannabis had no medical value, nothing. None whatsoever. 648 00:43:40,060 --> 00:43:41,050 Which is absolutely ludicrous. 649 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:47,080 When the pot smoker uses that good material, the smoke carries a variety 650 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:53,040 of chemical compounds to the lungs. Within seconds, the THC begins to circulate 651 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:57,210 throughout the body, carried by the fatty particles in the bloodstream. 652 00:43:57,220 --> 00:44:01,380 Almost instantly, there is an effect on the brain. As with alcohol, 653 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:06,560 the human thought process is chemically altered. This state of intoxication 654 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:11,260 is what getting stoned is all about. Along with the intoxication, 655 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:16,020 the heartbeat increases dramatically. This is why many scientists believe 656 00:44:16,020 --> 00:44:20,420 that no one with a heart condition should use marijuana. Cannabis is a 657 00:44:20,420 --> 00:44:26,880 completely harmless plant, however it's been criminalized over all of these 658 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,920 years, by all this negative propaganda that's not true. We've been lied 659 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:35,540 to all these years. Leading medical researchers are coming to the conclusion 660 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:41,240 that marijuana, pot, grass, whatever you wanna call it, is probably the 661 00:44:41,240 --> 00:44:45,260 most dangerous drug in the United States, and we haven't begun to find 662 00:44:45,260 --> 00:44:48,860 out all of the ill effects, but they are permanent ill effects. 663 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,440 All types of things that we've just been fed to and now they've 664 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:58,440 been ingrained in our mind, so it's hard to believe that this drug 665 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:02,380 that we've been told is awful, it's terrible, it's a Schedule 1 drug, 666 00:45:02,380 --> 00:45:06,360 meaning it has no medical properties. And have you seen what marijuana does 667 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:12,000 to some people? Oh yeah, you've seen them, total burnouts. It slows you 668 00:45:12,060 --> 00:45:16,360 down, it softens your mind, and in my neighborhood, you need to move 669 00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:22,900 quickly and think fast. Drugs, it's a bloody shame. When I was 10 670 00:45:22,900 --> 00:45:25,960 years old, my babysitter and her friends would do drugs in front of 671 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:26,240 me. 672 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,520 I really looked up to her, I wanted to be like her. 673 00:45:30,980 --> 00:45:33,300 I would talk her into letting me get high with them. 674 00:45:33,500 --> 00:45:37,380 That's all it took. After that, I moved on to pills, speed, 675 00:45:37,380 --> 00:45:42,960 cocaine, mushrooms, you name it, I took it. It's just... At this point 676 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:48,460 now, we're fighting against years of brainwashing that has happened, and 677 00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:54,660 it's slowly but surely reversing. Now we're seeing a resurgence of the use 678 00:45:54,660 --> 00:45:57,220 of marijuana, we're seeing the end of prohibition, and 679 00:45:57,940 --> 00:46:01,220 people are being baffled by the fact that they were lied to 680 00:46:02,060 --> 00:46:04,620 for so many years, they grew up being lied to. 681 00:46:05,350 --> 00:46:10,160 This is your brain on drugs. The Nancy Reagan campaign, the War on 682 00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:15,180 Drugs, which affected certain communities more than others. There's gross 683 00:46:15,180 --> 00:46:19,580 disparities in how the War on Drugs was applied across our country. 684 00:46:20,820 --> 00:46:25,540 Meanwhile, around me, war fighters in my community are killing themselves 685 00:46:25,540 --> 00:46:27,040 at a rate of 22 a day, 686 00:46:29,220 --> 00:46:31,040 and I'm like, "I know why, 687 00:46:32,300 --> 00:46:33,360 we should probably fix that." 688 00:46:38,500 --> 00:46:42,160 Janos Victor Lutz is my son, we call him Johnny. 689 00:46:42,900 --> 00:46:43,700 He was a Marine, 690 00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:47,600 and I was a proud Marine Mom. 691 00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:54,760 He deployed to Iraq in 2007 and 2008, came home and 692 00:46:55,720 --> 00:46:59,400 I didn't see too much difference in Johny from that deployment. 693 00:46:59,780 --> 00:47:06,160 It was really a cakewalk compared to his 2009 deployment to Afghanistan. 694 00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:08,600 We lost 14 men. 695 00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:18,740 They had 696 00:47:21,140 --> 00:47:24,020 some big firefights, and they couldn't get them 697 00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,840 food, water, they couldn't get them ammo, 698 00:47:29,340 --> 00:47:33,360 because they were so far out, and when the caravans would come with 699 00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,000 food and ammo, they were getting blown up, 700 00:47:36,540 --> 00:47:39,980 they weren't making it, the guys, they lost 40 pounds. 701 00:47:40,660 --> 00:47:45,220 When Johnny came home, all the families greeted them. You could instantly 702 00:47:45,220 --> 00:47:56,990 tell that they were all shell shocked, they were just expressionless. Yeah. 703 00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:01,820 Yeah, he was totally different when he came home, I noticed that before 704 00:48:01,820 --> 00:48:05,080 it got dark, all the curtains had to be drawn, 705 00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:07,060 all the windows had to be shut. 706 00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:13,120 And I put undue pressure on him because I would say things like, "What 707 00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,380 do you mean you don't wanna go? Come on, Johnny. We always would 708 00:48:16,380 --> 00:48:19,960 love to go out to... We would fine dine." And 709 00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:24,440 he didn't wanna do that anymore, and I just didn't understand why. 710 00:48:25,980 --> 00:48:32,600 Johnny returned from his second deployment November of 2009 and was 711 00:48:33,140 --> 00:48:38,940 subsequently diagnosed with severe PTSD, and TBI, which is traumatic brain 712 00:48:40,060 --> 00:48:42,600 And their treatment was to put my son on 713 00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:49,720 about 18 different medications. He was on antidepressants, SSRIs, pain medication, 714 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,240 it was a very dangerous cocktail of drugs. 715 00:48:53,890 --> 00:48:57,900 So it was still not working for my son. In June of 2010 716 00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:02,040 they gave him a drug called Klonopin. And a week later he attempted 717 00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,720 suicide, they found him just as he stopped breathing. 718 00:49:06,540 --> 00:49:12,560 The doctor knew that the causation for his suicide was the Klonopin, and 719 00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:17,820 in fact wrote in Johnny's chart, "Do not prescribe Mr. Lutz Klonopin because 720 00:49:17,820 --> 00:49:22,880 it'll be detrimental to his health," but never told my son, never told 721 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:28,100 the family. So my son was left to believe that he wanted to 722 00:49:28,100 --> 00:49:30,280 die because that's what he wanted to do. 723 00:49:31,060 --> 00:49:34,660 Fast forward, Johnny was medically retired November of 2011, 724 00:49:36,300 --> 00:49:40,920 came home and he was still on many different medications, but the summer 725 00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:45,560 of 2012... In the spring, rather, Johnny decided he wanted to get off 726 00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:50,480 everything, and he did. He went cold turkey, got off all his meds, 727 00:49:50,490 --> 00:49:55,460 except for a low dose of morphine that he would take as needed. 728 00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:02,340 And we had a wonderful summer, we traveled. Johnny was laughing again, 729 00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:07,620 joking. And we traveled to Colorado, we went whitewater rafting. It was 730 00:50:07,620 --> 00:50:16,010 just a wonderful summer, I had Johnny back. Johnny flourished, he thrived, 731 00:50:16,195 --> 00:50:19,600 he was just doing wonderfully. At the end of the summer, 732 00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:23,860 though, something triggered his PTSD and he became depressed. 733 00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:28,280 And on January 1st, he called me and he said, "Mom, 734 00:50:28,700 --> 00:50:31,100 I need you to lock up all the guns in the house and 735 00:50:31,100 --> 00:50:34,360 I need you to take my pain meds, and when I need them, 736 00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:38,400 I'll ask you for them." I said, "Okay, honey." And 737 00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:43,380 he said, "I'm scared, Mom." Three days later, on January 4th, 738 00:50:43,900 --> 00:50:48,360 he went to the VA on Commercial Boulevard, and his medical records read, 739 00:50:48,524 --> 00:50:54,480 "Mr. Lutz presents teary eyed and well groomed, he stated that he had 740 00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,080 his mom lock up his guns and his meds. 741 00:50:58,260 --> 00:51:04,380 'Well, Mr. Lutz, how are you today?' 'I'm okay,' as the tears were running 742 00:51:04,380 --> 00:51:10,400 down his face." He's clearly not okay. How many chances did that woman 743 00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:14,560 have, how many chances... How many times did my son say, 744 00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:16,080 "Please help me"? 745 00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:24,840 And her response to my son was, "Let's put you on some Klonopin." Then 746 00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,020 he goes next door to the back doctor, 747 00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:32,120 and that doctor prescribed my son, gave him in his hand, 748 00:51:32,130 --> 00:51:39,960 90 morphine. So that was on January 1st, so during that week, 749 00:51:40,300 --> 00:51:43,760 he came home, he had a couple of beers, and 750 00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:48,720 he decided to take all his pills and he killed himself. 751 00:51:48,730 --> 00:51:50,020 He overdosed here. 752 00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:55,520 And I could've been in tune to that, but I wasn't. 753 00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,180 Nobody was in tune and my son died, 754 00:52:00,112 --> 00:52:02,360 he took his own life because of that drug. 755 00:52:07,070 --> 00:52:11,520 My first Buddy Up, I had four people show up and I said, 756 00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,300 "Well, maybe this isn't it", but one of the war fighters there, 757 00:52:14,300 --> 00:52:18,680 Brian Lupo, by the way, marine infantry, he said, "No, Janine," 758 00:52:18,740 --> 00:52:20,760 he goes, "This is exactly what we need." 759 00:52:22,980 --> 00:52:28,060 I joined the Marine Corps in 2009, got out in 2013. 760 00:52:28,740 --> 00:52:32,420 One of the things that I think really helped me, when it came 761 00:52:32,420 --> 00:52:35,680 to life after the Marine Corps, was the fact that I joined at 762 00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:41,560 25 and not 18. And I didn't have that stress of an 18 763 00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,900 year old that enlists when he gets out at 22 or 23 or 764 00:52:44,900 --> 00:52:45,400 whatever. 765 00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:52,360 I still have PTSD from being an infantryman in the Marines. 766 00:52:52,580 --> 00:52:55,940 You see stuff, and you lose brothers, you lose friends, 767 00:52:57,100 --> 00:53:00,640 so a lot of that still weighed on me. It was really tough 768 00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:05,260 to sleep, you have bad dreams. So I'm 34 years old now, 769 00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:09,680 and when I was 32, so about two years ago, a friend of 770 00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:13,020 mine pulls out a bong and he says, "Here, man, you wanna try 771 00:53:13,020 --> 00:53:15,120 this?" and I was like... Or, "You wanna hit this?" and I'm like, 772 00:53:16,020 --> 00:53:19,360 "No, I've never done that before." Literally 32 years old, never smoked 773 00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:23,440 marijuana before, and he's like, "Dude, it's great for PTSD, 774 00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,920 it really mellows you out, relaxes you and all this stuff." 775 00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,240 And I said, "You know what? Screw it, I'm gonna try it." 776 00:53:29,820 --> 00:53:31,820 Since I got out of the Marine Corps, I don't think I've ever 777 00:53:31,820 --> 00:53:32,440 felt that 778 00:53:33,620 --> 00:53:34,220 normal. 779 00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,360 I was able to laugh at things, relax, 780 00:53:39,620 --> 00:53:44,140 had a good time, nothing could aggravate me, I wasn't angry about anything, 781 00:53:44,140 --> 00:53:46,500 I didn't wanna go home and hide in 782 00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:51,540 my house. And so from there I decided I'm gonna try this 783 00:53:52,060 --> 00:53:54,160 on my own. So I got some marijuana and 784 00:53:55,860 --> 00:53:57,080 didn't know what the hell to do with it. 785 00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:02,160 So I went down to the grocery store at the end of my 786 00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:03,360 street and got a 787 00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,960 little pipe. And went out on my back patio and smoked, 788 00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:09,720 and was like, "Okay, this 789 00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,160 makes me feel good, this makes me feel normal." 790 00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:17,140 Leading up to that, I refused to go to the VA. 791 00:54:18,740 --> 00:54:21,260 I'll go to the VA if something's physically wrong with me, 792 00:54:21,260 --> 00:54:24,360 if I've got a bad cold or... Well, I wouldn't go for a 793 00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:27,260 cold. But if something was really wrong with me, I would go. 794 00:54:27,460 --> 00:54:30,160 But I'm not going to the VA for mental health 'cause 795 00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,500 they're just gonna say, "Here's an antidepressant drug, take it 796 00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:38,300 twice a day and come see us in a month." But the side 797 00:54:38,300 --> 00:54:42,520 effects on the drug is suicide... Or suicidal thoughts. What the fuck am 798 00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,000 I gonna take that for? "I'm thinking about killing myself." "Well, 799 00:54:45,010 --> 00:54:49,620 here, take Zoloft." Well, what's the side effect on Zoloft? Suicide. 800 00:54:49,630 --> 00:54:56,340 Klonopin, suicide. Paxil, suicide. All these drugs... So I refused to go. 801 00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:02,440 So I started self medicating with marijuana, and I've never felt better. 802 00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:07,320 The reason I got interested in the study was because I've been taking 803 00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,620 care of veterans for so long, and I saw that there weren't really 804 00:55:10,620 --> 00:55:12,780 any good treatments for PTSD. 805 00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:24,680 We only have two FDA approved medications on the market, Zoloft and Paxil 806 00:55:24,793 --> 00:55:29,280 are the only meds that actually have an FDA indication for PTSD. 807 00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:33,660 So all these other meds that we throw at PTSD patients 808 00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:40,280 have never really been formally tested in clinical trials for treating PTSD. 809 00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:45,160 Suddenly, these patients feel like guinea pigs, they're just being 810 00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:49,520 pummeled with all these different prescriptions that don't seem to have 811 00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,560 any logical method for 812 00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:58,300 how we're using them. And so I began losing a lot of patients 813 00:55:58,300 --> 00:56:03,440 in my own practice to suicide. That's what really woke me up because 814 00:56:04,140 --> 00:56:04,660 I had 815 00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:07,760 patients that I would just... 816 00:56:10,180 --> 00:56:12,960 I don't even know how to describe it. It was just 817 00:56:13,700 --> 00:56:18,840 the heartbreak of all these great young men and women who were ending 818 00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:23,940 their life, and I realized that I had nothing more to offer them, 819 00:56:24,300 --> 00:56:31,080 that we exhausted all the conventional treatments. The epidemic of veteran 820 00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:35,600 suicide is one of the biggest public health crisis that we have in 821 00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:39,260 this country and we don't have any good solutions for it. 822 00:56:39,260 --> 00:56:43,540 And I don't know if cannabis can help curb this epidemic of veteran 823 00:56:43,540 --> 00:56:49,220 suicide. But I hope that we can continue to collect information about this 824 00:56:49,220 --> 00:56:52,460 and see if there's a possibility of looking at that specifically. 825 00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:57,060 Our trial isn't looking at the suicide epidemic, we're just looking at the 826 00:56:57,060 --> 00:57:01,180 question, "Does cannabis reduce the symptoms of PTSD?" 827 00:57:01,740 --> 00:57:06,280 and if so, maybe which strains are best or which strains should be 828 00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:06,900 avoided? 829 00:57:27,500 --> 00:57:28,800 When somebody chooses 830 00:57:30,943 --> 00:57:34,580 suicide because... 831 00:57:35,860 --> 00:57:37,780 It can be for a myriad of reasons. 832 00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:41,940 Whether it was pharmaceutically induced 833 00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:46,020 because, like my son, he took the drugs, that made him 834 00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:48,620 take his life or 835 00:57:49,900 --> 00:57:53,720 for whatever the reason that you decide to do that. 836 00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:56,160 When you... 837 00:57:57,500 --> 00:58:02,700 When somebody dies by suicide, they just transferred everything, 838 00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:11,770 that pain inside them times 10 to their loved ones that they left behind. 839 00:58:11,780 --> 00:58:14,720 For the rest of my life, for the rest of my life, 840 00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,520 I have to live without my children 841 00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:19,040 and 842 00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:22,520 it affects me every single day. 843 00:58:24,270 --> 00:58:29,340 You know, you get really angry, you know? You get really 844 00:58:33,610 --> 00:58:37,250 angry. A person could let it... 845 00:58:39,340 --> 00:58:40,420 Make you really angry. 846 00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:46,000 And I'm sure that he did not want 847 00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:50,400 his brother to follow in his footsteps, but that's what happened. 848 00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:52,800 The ripple effect of suicide 849 00:58:54,360 --> 00:59:01,760 is huge. Johnny suicided. I came very close. Justin, his little brother, 850 00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:03,140 completed suicide. And 851 00:59:04,180 --> 00:59:05,540 the effects of 852 00:59:07,140 --> 00:59:11,080 Johnny and Justin are just huge, the ripple effect, 853 00:59:12,220 --> 00:59:12,680 and 854 00:59:14,700 --> 00:59:23,420 it's a real mindfuck, 'cause you questioned everything you ever said, 855 00:59:23,420 --> 00:59:25,860 everything you ever did, and 856 00:59:28,020 --> 00:59:31,560 you wonder if something you said or did could have changed something, 857 00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:36,800 or you could have done more. And I'm not the only one being 858 00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:38,680 the mom. I know their friends 859 00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:40,620 think that. 860 00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:48,400 I know it's just... It's painful. 861 00:59:49,780 --> 00:59:54,500 This is a memorial wall that I started in 2013. 862 00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:59,960 When you put a face and an age 863 01:00:02,260 --> 01:00:07,080 to... And realize that this person died of suicide, that all of these 864 01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:11,520 people died of suicide, it's just, it's a very heart wrenching and very 865 01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:12,260 impactful. 866 01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:19,800 It's now well over 80 feet long and I have almost 400 photos 867 01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:31,160 on it. We have overdoses, gunshot, hanging, poison, just about every method 868 01:00:31,180 --> 01:00:32,720 of suicide 869 01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:35,480 has been done on this wall. 870 01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,560 And it's so sad that they think that that's the answer, 871 01:00:43,300 --> 01:00:44,420 it's not the answer. 872 01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:49,260 Kit, 873 01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:53,540 I really wanna let kids know that illegal drugs are bad news. 874 01:00:53,540 --> 01:00:57,160 Yes, David. It's true. Over one hundred thousand teenagers were admitted 875 01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:00,480 into hospitals last year, because of drugs. Yeah, but I'm talking about 876 01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:03,780 kids' futures. Did you know that marijuana can affect a person's physical 877 01:01:03,780 --> 01:01:07,900 and sexual growth? Yes, that's quite accurate. In a laboratory test, 878 01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:11,880 female animals treated with the active component in marijuana, experienced 879 01:01:11,940 --> 01:01:16,080 a 44% death rate among their offspring. This is much more important than 880 01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:19,560 facts and figures. What kids should know is that marijuana has got more 881 01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:23,140 cancer causing agents than tobacco and a lot of young kids use drugs 882 01:01:23,140 --> 01:01:26,800 on a daily basis. One of the things that people talk about is, 883 01:01:27,220 --> 01:01:30,240 there needs to be more research into cannabis, but what people don't realize 884 01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:33,980 is that there's already been thousands and thousands of reputable studies 885 01:01:33,980 --> 01:01:37,680 done around this plant. I think probably the most predominant thing happened 886 01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:41,120 last year when the National Academy of Science came out with a statement 887 01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:45,580 that said, cannabis does have medicinal properties, and one is 888 01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:50,600 treatment... Relief from the treatment of chemotherapy. So it definitely 889 01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:54,020 improves somebody's quality of life that's going through chemotherapy. One 890 01:01:54,050 --> 01:01:56,840 of the other thing that was interesting... They found out though is that 891 01:01:57,120 --> 01:02:01,320 smoking cannabis does not cause cancer. So this has been a myth that's been 892 01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:05,340 out there for a long time, that's fluctuated through. So smoking any type 893 01:02:05,340 --> 01:02:07,920 of cannabis does not cause any type of lung cancer, there's no... 894 01:02:08,140 --> 01:02:11,060 There's no substantial research showing that that actually occurs. 895 01:02:15,260 --> 01:02:21,320 I never expected to be diagnosed with cancer at 46, but I should 896 01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:26,520 have known. I mean I had a... My father had three different cancers 897 01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:30,980 when he died. I was his primary caregiver for the last two years 898 01:02:30,980 --> 01:02:35,880 of his life and I saw him endure all the awful effects of 899 01:02:35,900 --> 01:02:39,700 chemo and I just knew for me that I didn't want that. 900 01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:46,760 This says that the biopsy showed a malignancy in the left breast. This 901 01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:51,653 is a common cancer in the breast of women and it's usually easy 902 01:02:51,744 --> 01:02:55,682 to treat, especially that since we caught it early, it should be pretty 903 01:02:55,749 --> 01:03:00,280 manageable. I would say, so I was diagnosed in January of 2017, 904 01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:07,560 the biopsy showed I had a highly invasive intraductal carcinoma that was 905 01:03:08,260 --> 01:03:12,720 a little bit between stage I and stage II. So early stage, 906 01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:15,880 very hopeful that there would be 907 01:03:16,900 --> 01:03:18,540 remission eventually. 908 01:03:19,700 --> 01:03:21,720 I did all the standard 909 01:03:23,020 --> 01:03:29,980 surgery, radiation, but I refused chemo in order to instead opt for this 910 01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:36,360 cannabis oil and trying to prevent recurrence with this. Cannabis does have 911 01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:40,640 some anti cancer properties, but we don't really know how to harness that 912 01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:46,320 yet, we don't know what tumor cell lines are responsive to what cannabinoids 913 01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:49,260 and things like that. So in my case, the only thing I can 914 01:03:49,260 --> 01:03:54,340 do is just try to take this sort of shotgun approach. 915 01:03:55,060 --> 01:04:01,780 So this is really a hyper potent form of cannabinoids, they've been extracted 916 01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:02,180 and 917 01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:06,760 put into this oil now and you can see here, this is full 918 01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:13,400 of THC, CBD and other terpenes, and cannabinoids. So all we do is 919 01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:19,040 we take the oil we squeeze out a little bit and we put 920 01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:23,680 it right on the capsule there. But you can see this is a 921 01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:30,040 very imprecise way of dosing of... We really don't know if this is 922 01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:34,420 gonna work or not. We're all looking for something that gives us hope. 923 01:04:36,780 --> 01:04:38,000 Hello? Hey Mom. 924 01:04:39,180 --> 01:04:46,340 So what's happening? The both mammogram and breast ultrasound were negative. 925 01:04:47,170 --> 01:04:53,190 Oh, I was so worried, with all kinds of instruction, I thought maybe you 926 01:04:53,236 --> 01:04:54,840 had a biopsy. I know, no. 927 01:04:56,580 --> 01:05:02,720 Luckily, everything went great, and now this is almost two years, 928 01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:12,760 right? Since the... Yeah, what about the medicine that you're... How can 929 01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:16,960 you get this medicine anymore? Oh the marijuana? Yeah, I don't know, 930 01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:20,180 I have to figure it out. It's always a challenge trying 931 01:05:20,820 --> 01:05:25,060 to find new supply. And then, he doesn't do it anymore. I know, we'll 932 01:05:25,060 --> 01:05:27,620 figure that out. But anyway, I just wanna let you know, 933 01:05:27,620 --> 01:05:29,900 mom, I'm gonna wrap up, but I'll give you a call later, 934 01:05:29,900 --> 01:05:36,410 okay? Okay, love you. Love you. Oh, Sue? Oh yeah. Sue? Yes? I'm gonna ask 935 01:05:36,581 --> 01:05:44,980 Sam to bring your milk, and I have also soup. But I 936 01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:50,020 the pot, I need the pot, so I put it in the deep dish. Okay, that's 937 01:05:50,139 --> 01:05:53,969 great, Mom, thank you so much. Okay, love you. Love you. 938 01:05:54,045 --> 01:05:54,275 Bye, 939 01:05:55,470 --> 01:05:56,545 Ma. so. 940 01:05:58,340 --> 01:06:01,710 So as a physician, I weighed the options, 941 01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:06,960 there's a whole bunch of different treatments you can do with this early 942 01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:12,620 stage breast cancer. It's a personal decision, each patient is gonna handle 943 01:06:12,620 --> 01:06:18,220 this differently. I think I had the chance because it was early stage, 944 01:06:18,220 --> 01:06:24,380 that I could try this approach with using a high dose cannabis to 945 01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:28,440 try to prevent recurrence, and it wasn't just going in blindly, 946 01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:33,620 I have some colleagues that have produced some data that shows that they 947 01:06:33,620 --> 01:06:39,380 took breast tumor cells in a petri dish and introduced a synthetic cannabinoid 948 01:06:39,380 --> 01:06:43,920 and found a dramatic reduction in the density of the breast tumor cells. 949 01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:48,880 And I look at that data, this is legitimate data published in peer 950 01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:53,600 reviewed medical journals and... And I made a personal choice that I was 951 01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:56,540 gonna go this route. I can still always 952 01:06:57,160 --> 01:07:01,020 go with full mastectomy and chemo and all those things later, 953 01:07:01,020 --> 01:07:04,990 but right now, I just chose to do a simple lumpectomy, 954 01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:11,060 radiation, and then try this and see if I can flood my receptors 955 01:07:11,060 --> 01:07:15,580 and capitalize on whatever anti cancer properties that this material has. 956 01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:21,100 Usually when I'm sitting on panels, and they say, "Well, how long before 957 01:07:21,100 --> 01:07:23,880 it'll be federally legal?" I'm saying two years. 958 01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:29,060 Some of the challenges with getting there would be the United Nations and 959 01:07:29,060 --> 01:07:32,380 some of the treaty issues. Once though we see how Canada does, 960 01:07:32,380 --> 01:07:35,880 especially with the UN's posture and treatment of Canada, with regards to 961 01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:39,510 their recreational space, then we'll see the United States government move 962 01:07:39,559 --> 01:07:44,880 in that direction. So the legalities around cannabis north of the American 963 01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:50,160 border are quite different than in the States. And I have a heavy 964 01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:53,280 heart, and a sad place in my heart for 965 01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:58,600 my southern brothers and sisters. Hence, creating a charity with a global 966 01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:01,320 focus to try to change some of this stuff. 967 01:08:02,420 --> 01:08:05,600 You're supposed to have a high GAFF, it's a high give a fuck 968 01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:06,120 factor. 969 01:08:07,300 --> 01:08:10,980 I've turned the acronym into the Global Alliance Foundation Fund. 970 01:08:16,740 --> 01:08:20,220 Its principal will never be touched, and this fund will last forever, 971 01:08:20,220 --> 01:08:23,540 and in perpetuity the interest will be spent to bridge the gap in 972 01:08:23,540 --> 01:08:25,780 care on a global effort 973 01:08:28,180 --> 01:08:29,480 for veterans everywhere. 974 01:08:32,140 --> 01:08:37,480 The fact that people have had to relocate as kinda refugees for access 975 01:08:37,480 --> 01:08:41,170 to the medicine, it's ridiculous in a country that's known for its freedoms, 976 01:08:41,180 --> 01:08:46,820 such as America. The over prescription of these very powerful drugs is something 977 01:08:46,820 --> 01:08:49,040 that we really need to pay more attention to, 978 01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:54,580 and we need to educate ourselves. Cannabis has never killed anybody, 979 01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:58,820 you cannot overdose from it. It has the addiction rate of coffee. 980 01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:03,180 So we need academia to embrace it, we need our politicians to embrace 981 01:09:03,180 --> 01:09:07,500 it, we need our physician community to embrace it, so that the patients 982 01:09:07,820 --> 01:09:11,560 win at the end of the day. I so wish that my son 983 01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:15,340 would have smoked pot, but my son would not do anything that would 984 01:09:15,340 --> 01:09:18,700 be illegal. I think it's silly that you've got 985 01:09:19,740 --> 01:09:20,400 a plant, 986 01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:25,120 something that does these amazing things that they've now seen. You've got 987 01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:28,880 nine states that have it legal, you've got 33 states, give or take, 988 01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:31,580 that have a medical program. And so at the end of the day, 989 01:09:31,580 --> 01:09:33,340 they're not putting this genie back in the bottle. 990 01:09:37,860 --> 01:09:42,370 Something so preventable, my son didn't wanna 991 01:11:06,480 --> 01:11:07,980 die. 90986

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