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A NETFLIX ORIGINAL DOCUMENTARY
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You choose: singing,having fun and so on,
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or staying at home studying,doing homework and going to school.
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I had no doubts.
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It was something most kidsin the world never experience.
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I think it's somethingthat marked them.
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The strange thing is thatthe best part of your life,
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or one of the most intense partsof your life,
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happened whenyou were fourteen years old.
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That seems to bethe hardest thing to swallow.
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I felt bad for themas I thought the fall would be hard,
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because they were on a cloud,they spent years on a cloud.
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That's the cliché:
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there's a kid who's a performerand that kid is going to be a loser.
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Why?
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That kid will be whateverhe makes of himself.
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PARCHÍS
THE DOCUMENTARY
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One of the craziest things
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that Parchís fans like myself
used to do
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was at this exact hotel,
the Camino Real, where Parchís stayed...
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I'd come from Cuernavaca,
two hours away,
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and I'd stand here for hours in the sun
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to see Tino or Yolanda
maybe peep out of the window.
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This is precisely
where their van would pass by
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and there were hundreds of people
on both sidewalks
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here to see Parchís go by.
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Yolanda once went like this to me,
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and it was the greatest, I felt...
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I don't know how to explain.
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I felt accomplished.
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Okay, well I don't think that it's
a mystery to anyone in this studio
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the reason behind the emergence
of bands aimed at young people.
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I think it's fundamentally due to,
among other reasons,
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the spectacular development
of media outlets, like television,
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that give all of us access
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to new possibilities of fun
and entertainment.
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That's why this band, Parchís,
has come to fill a void
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that, for a long time,
we hadn't been able to fill.
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Tonight, Parchís!
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Of course, when Parchís
was launched in '79,
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there had been a small baby boom.
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So there was a sudden
spectator boom...
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JOSÉ VIRUETE
JOURNALIST
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...a boom of kids
that had to be entertained somehow.
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Do you know if someone's looking for me?
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Yes!
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Yes? Who could it be?
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-Ana!
-Ana?
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JORGE LÉRIDA - AUTHOR OF
"THE FABULOUS WORLD OF CHILDREN'S SONGS"
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I'll always say the boom started
on a September night in 1977
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on Jose Maria Iñigo's program
Esta noche... fiesta.
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With the song...
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The B-side of this single by Enrique,
the song "Esto es Amor."
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The Hispavox record label itself
was surprised
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by the success, the boom of Enrique y Ana.
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Marvelous!
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When the idea came up
to start a band...
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ANTONI PLANA
MANAGER IN SPAIN
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...it was the artistic director's idea.
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He took me aside and told me
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to put an ad in the papers
to find boys and girls.
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DISCOS BELTER GIVES THE OPPORTUNITY
TO CHILDREN FROM 8 TO 12 YEARS OLD
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They had to be good looking,
to know how to jump around...
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MARTA MINGUELLA
MUSIC TEACHER
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...and know how to move onstage,
to be charismatic.
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IGNACIO JANER
INTERNATIONAL DIRECTOR OF BELTER
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But what they were looking for
was a band that, aside from singing,
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portrayed a certain image on television,
and an image in their performances, etc.
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And that's how it started.
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They counted on the invaluable
collaboration with Rudy Ventura,
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a performer at Discos Belter,
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as he had a daughter who had already
made records with her father, and such.
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When Belter had the idea
of starting the band,
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he thought of me as a potential member
of Parchís.
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At the beginning there were
to be four of us, two girls and two boys.
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To your rhythm and beat
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But then David arrived
and we saw how he moved.
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He was a kid who knew
how to dance well.
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We said, "He can be the dice.
He can be the white counter."
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For me at that time
it didn't represent anything.
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I liked to dance and play.
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It wasn't like I'd been given
my dream job, I didn't care.
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Tino was spotted by a man at school,
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a man who worked at Belter,
as his son was a singer,
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and Tino was singing...
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The dice doesn't want to sing
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The anecdote from the audition,
I remember that after singing,
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they walked out
and left the door ajar,
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and I heard the artistic director
tell his secretary...
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..."The kid can sing,
it's a shame the runt is so ugly."
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That stuck with me, I asked my mom,
"Mom, am I that ugly, dammit?"
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Parchís, chís, chísParchís, chís, chís
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There was this kid, Oscar,he was a little kid.
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He was quite the looker.
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In reality, the first auditions
were for a solo vocalist...
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...and that's how it was sold, I arrived
as if it were the casting for an ad.
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You land on the square...
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Probably the only one to arrivevia casting
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was Gemma.
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I'd get home and tell my parents,
"Oh, I think I really messed up,
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they're not going to pick me,
I didn't come out well in the photos,
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I didn't sing well...
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...I haven't heard anything back..."
Always a bit pessimistic.
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Parchís, chís, chísParchís, chís, chís
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The game that is sungFor you and for me
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Parchís, chís, chísParchís, chís, chís
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But at the beginning
it was just a kids' get together.
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I was the youngest, along with David;
there's a year and a half between us.
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But the difference
with Gemma and Yolanda was bigger,
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more so with Tino.
And that was noticeable.
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Suddenly, they put you
with four kids you don't know.
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Now live together, now record,
now take photos, now...
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Very strange at the beginning.
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It wasn't an immediate
"we're close" connection.
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It was a complicated age.
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They said, "You're going to sing
and we're going to make a record."
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And I was, like, buzzing, happy,
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I thought, "This is sure to get me
out of school for a few hours, awesome!"
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Well, at the beginning, in August,
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we started recording
Las Super 25 Canciones de Los Peques.
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Today we're going on a field trip
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We'll play ball
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For the recordings, mainly the girls
and I would coincide,
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as we were the ones with slightly
more important solo moments.
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We'll run faster than a train
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I think that due to her level and style,
Yolanda sang the most, then Gemma.
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And I think David sang about the same.
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That was, not a lot, to be honest.
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Let's all sing
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Regardless of whether the band
had lasted a year,
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the record label's idea
was to have a big launch.
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Twenty-five super-songs for children!Two LPs or two cassettes.
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Belter's catalogue was mostly
made up of Spanish performers,
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such as Juanito Valderrama,
Dolores Abril, Rosa Morena,
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Dolores Vargas, Carmen Sevilla,
Lola Flores...
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That is Spanish music, notably Spanish.
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Belter was sinking.
And they said...
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as they saw the kid boom
had not yet been exploited, they said,
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"It's something to cling to."
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And that's how it was.
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A lot of money was spent
on the Parchís venture,
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placing ads on TV and all,
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and if it hadn't worked out,
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then maybe we'd all have been
really screwed.
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But I don't think the company
was on the way down, not at all.
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At the beginning we were just getting
together for just that, for a short time,
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for three or four months and that's it.
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It was just recording an LP,
that's ten songs,
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and appearing on the program.
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So no...
There was nothing else.
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Following in our magazine's tradition,
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Aplauso is starting
a new kids' page, that's right.
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And we're dressed in full regalia
to introduce a new band.
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We leave you with the story
of "Barbapapa" and the voices of Parchís.
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I mean, if you appeared
on a winter afternoon
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on Aplauso,
which aired on Saturdays,
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then you'd be seen by all of Spain,
because there were two channels,
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there were no more options.
They'd see you.
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You just found a Barbapapa
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I was tense, I was so tall,
the tallest of us all.
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And there I was... And they even
put me in one of those long jackets...
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The initial idea was that I was the dice,
so I could dress in white, in black,
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I could dress in any color.
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But in the end white stuck.
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So now, as a reaction,
I dress in all black.
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-Did you like the story of Barbapapa?
-Yes!
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After the second program of Aplauso,
for me it was like...
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you know...
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interviews, they'd cut our hair,
wardrobe made to measure...
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-Applause!
-Applause!
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For example, in Spain, on Aplauso,
it was pretty strict.
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Enter music!
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I remember that Giorgio Aresu's dancers
always complained
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that we weren't good enough.
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Anyway...
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I think it was part of the band's charm,
not doing things perfectly.
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To the beat of the same twistSinging and dancing
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And I remember, my school headmaster
made me go from class to class on a chair.
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He'd stand me on a chair
and he'd say, "See this girl?
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She's gonna be on TV,
just so you know."
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On Monday when you'd go to school
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and you'd been on Aplauso, on TV,
and all your classmates had seen it,
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you'd be like, "What happened?"
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They'd stare at you more, they did,
because you were more popular.
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It's not that I liked it that much,
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but it did boost
your self-esteem a little.
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And in my case it was a good thing.
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-Let's dance everybody!
-Let's dance!
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-Come on, come on!
-Let's dance!
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-Come on, let's go!
-Let's dance!
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To my school's twist
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I ask you: How would you feel
if you were twelve?
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You're not aware of what
you're living, but it fascinates you
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because it's like a game
that nobody else has.
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To be doing those things
at that moment, at that age...
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It was a privilege, a stroke of luck.
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THE CHILDREN'S GROUP OF THE MOMENT
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I don't think we knew
what the word "hit" meant.
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When you're ten,
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you know tangible words,
like "stone," "red..."
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But we didn't understand
the concept of "hit."
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And what does receiving
this gold record mean to you?
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To us it represents the fact
that kids like our songs,
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and we're all really excited
to receive this record.
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-Congratulations, Parchís.
-Thank you very much.
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I think some circumstances arose
that only arise once in a blue moon.
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I think they did a good job
with the members,
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they did a good job with colors,
choreography, wardrobe, music,
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composers, songs...
I think these things were all well-chosen.
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People were really looking
for something exciting and new.
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I think that the success was backed up
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by the TV programs and films,
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because they were the ones making
more film and TV appearances.
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CONTRA EL HOMBRE INVISIBLE - COMANDO G
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No, no, success undoubtedly came about
because a lot of money was invested.
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SALVADOR FENOLLAR
HEAD OF BELTER'S SALES
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The company gave me
a 500,000-peseta check every month,
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which I deposited into my account,
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then I'd make checks
for 10,000, 15,000, 20,000...
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and they'd get handed out
to different people
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so they'd play our records.
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"PARCHÍS", MUSIC AND SONGS FOR CHILDREN
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So yeah, money and gifts would circulate,
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and mink coats, and gold Rolexes and...
who knows what...
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Checks for a million pesetas
to some TV presenter...
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Now, attention, mini-viewers.
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And this week, with all of you...
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...with a beautiful song
that the kids will love.
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-And what's their name?
-Parchís!
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With all of you, Parchís!
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I also think there were things to do
with Parchís that happened by chance.
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Looking at the band's trajectory,
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there are times they took a step forward,
then took a step back.
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I don't think there was a master plan.
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MortadeloMortadelo and Filemón
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There's no one general style,
you can't say they're pop records
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because there are songs
that are rancheras.
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ExtrovertAnd very careful
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And we also have to talk
about the record production.
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I mean, Parchís records sound like a bomb.
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There is a war between galaxies
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THE BATTLE OF THE PLANETS
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At that time, I didn't do arrangements,
I was a technician.
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But the artistic director
asked me for an arrangement...
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JOSEP LLOBELL
PRODUCER AND ARRANGER
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...and it was precisely the first I did
in my life, "Comando G" by Parchís,
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that was my first arrangement.
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Comando G, Comando G
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Is always alert
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They could sing anything
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within the limitation
that they didn't all sing well.
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And we had to...
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The little kids always
went behind the mic.
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Whose mission is to protectThe Earth from attacks
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They'd record,
we'd dub vocals, whatever,
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and then the professionals
would come in, studio vocalists, girls.
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As they could do boys' voices perfectly,
you couldn't tell.
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Phoenix take flight
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In any case, Parchís' voices
were always there on one level.
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So I can't say that they have
or had so much help
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that their voices were lost.
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Their voices, their timbres,
were always there.
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They will win the battle
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"Comando G"
has been really successful, right?
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-Yes.
-Why do you think...?
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Because the film is on TV, and...
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they see it every day and they like it.
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Do you like the film?
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Do you like traveling all the time,
or is it boring for you?
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No, I look forward to it, I love it.
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I wasn't... From the beginning,
you have to go bit by bit,
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and TV would accelerate the process.
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And there was even a time
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that we'd take a Seat 131 Supermirafiori,
the five of us with the manager,
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which would be unthinkable now.
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-Are we all in?
-Yes!
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I made sure they wanted for nothing,
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that they were comfortable and happy,
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and especially
that they were having fun,
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that this didn't seem
like work to them.
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What else?
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Oh, the vaccines!
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They were all great kids.
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They did their kid's things...
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Permission from the parents.
One, two, three, four, five.
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So, the usual.
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I don't know, my daughters have played
some dirty tricks on me!
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So imagine kids who aren't yours!
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We were on this terrace,
sort of bored, then suddenly...
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I decided to throw
a chair from the terrace.
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Wham, and throws it.
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With the risk of what could have happened.
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But it didn't end there,
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because, driven by fear...
Have they told this story or not?
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And when we go back out to the terrace,
I stick my head out
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and I see the man from the house below
is looking up and complaining.
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I felt sort of provoked
to throw another chair:
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"As he'd already seen me,
I'll throw another chair."
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And I did.
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Keep throwing cakes!
At the end of the day it's me who gets it.
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And, of course, the man came
to the hotel, really angry,
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saying that he was going
to report us to the police,
303
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and the poor man was perfectly right.
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It's always me
who takes care of everything.
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-Well, that's what you're here for.
-Don't be insolent!
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Honestly, it was like
a kick in the balls.
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Places we went to started filling up.
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Success was growing,
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the first film was put forward,
Children's War.
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No rattles
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No problems
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And the films were full
of great professionals from Spain.
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Javier Aguirre had a very long career
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making all kinds
of commercial productions,
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from nude films to these kinds of films.
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The previous one done with kids
had been a failure.
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Bermudez hired me saying that
the film had been a bust...
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CHILDREN'S WAR
THE FIRST PARCHÍS FILM
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...but he was hiring me in particular...
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JAVIER AGUIRRE
FILM DIRECTOR
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...because of how well
the kids had been directed.
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In Parchís, that father figuredidn't exist.
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In fact, in the films,parental figures are there to be defied,
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the authority figures,which is pretty cool.
325
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It has a sort of punk side to it.
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Go ahead with your diggers, go ahead!
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Demolish an unnecessary
neighborhood school!
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And while you're at it,
kill its rightful owner!
329
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The man who didn't want to do
business with education and was ruined!
330
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I especially remember that Tino
was a natural.
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He was the band leader, of course.
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I don't think they'll be back.
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-And Skinny, what will he be up to?
-It's not hard to imagine.
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The advert read:
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"Wanted: fat child to film commercial."
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Before I read it, I always thought
it said, "Wanted:
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attractive, cheerful and charismatic
young man..." Not "fat and showy."
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RODRIGO VALDECANTOS
ACTOR
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That was the dynamic we started with.
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To give you an idea, prior to that
I had no idea who Parchís were.
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CHILDREN'S WAR
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Bermudez was totally convinced
it would be a hit.
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And, for example,
in the theater in Callao
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there were hardly ever tickets.
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It was a measure of how well
things were going.
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I didn't see a penny.
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My mother and father decided
where it was going.
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I'm getting full!
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I've been asked, "Listen, what about
all the money you made with Parchís?"
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I don't know, first of all, what I made,
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and second, they gave me a bicycle
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and it was stolen the next day.
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It was like...
some gypsy kid stole my bike
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and basically he was the one
who made money from Parchís.
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That was it.
356
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I was preparing
the last trip of the year,
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visiting all the companies
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that licensed Discos Belter
in Latin America.
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So, of course, when I saw and heard
the Christmas carol record,
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I saw the photo,
they introduced me to the children,
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and this, that and the other,
I got my ideas straight.
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I didn't care about the songs.
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If they sang,
if they were dubbed in the studio,
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I didn't care.
365
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I wanted to sell them.
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Their charisma, their ease,
how they moved,
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how they dealt with people.
368
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We got some test album covers,
I ordered a tape recorder,
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which was how we worked back then,
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and asked if there was a postcard
or a photo and this and that,
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because I was going to add them
to my agenda for the tour I was preparing.
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So, necessarily,
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an essential condition, sine qua non:
I want the kids in Argentina.
374
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"That's ridiculous!
it will cost a fortune!"
375
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But it's true that things changed
upon landing there.
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After all we'd been through,
the success here in Spain,
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we landed in Mexico,
and there, against all odds...
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WELCOME, PARCHÍS
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...things didn't work out.
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And in Argentina they did.
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It was the reaffirmation of everything
that had happened in Spain,
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which happened there but with
a much bigger audience
383
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and greater repercussion.
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When the band started
to have real success in Argentina...
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ALL THEIR HITS
SUPERSONGS
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...a producer approached me, Mr. Spitz.
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PARCHÍS SUCCEED IN SOUTH AMERICA
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He was a film producer,
proposing the band do a film.
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Rat-a-tat-tat! LookRat-a-tat-tat! Dance
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The first film
we recorded in Argentina
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was in Mar del Plata.
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We were in a hotel next to the beach.
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And there we'd film the movie
in the morning
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and do two sessions
in a performance circus in the afternoon.
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PARCHÍS
FROM 8 JANUARY TO 20 FEBRUARY
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That went on for practically a month...
Or more.
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We'd make one reverse charge phone call
per week to one of our parents
398
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and that parent would call
all the others.
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So, you'd speak to one of the parents,
400
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so you didn't even speak to your parents,
you'd speak to them once a month.
401
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But that tour of Argentina, that was...
402
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Experiencing it as a child,
you don't realize,
403
00:24:13,445 --> 00:24:15,924
but it was a little out of control.
404
00:24:16,120 --> 00:24:18,840
Because I had a boyfriend
and so did someone else,
405
00:24:19,275 --> 00:24:21,235
we did whatever we wanted.
406
00:24:21,645 --> 00:24:23,365
We'd go and make out...
407
00:24:23,627 --> 00:24:26,605
I don't know, there was nobody
watching over us.
408
00:24:31,325 --> 00:24:33,325
We've all kissed Yolanda,
409
00:24:33,645 --> 00:24:37,165
because she's that outgoing
and at some point we all liked her.
410
00:24:38,245 --> 00:24:41,685
Gemma too, but Gemma had
a different way of relating to us.
411
00:24:42,445 --> 00:24:46,685
That doesn't mean that anyone's
relationship went any further than that.
412
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We were just experimenting
413
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and playing and getting to know
our bodies and that sort of thing.
414
00:24:54,085 --> 00:24:58,885
The toing and froing of hanging out
made us start to notice
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the opposite sex.
416
00:25:01,841 --> 00:25:03,828
We met when walking
417
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I think experiences that people my age
may have had with a schoolmate,
418
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I had with my band mates.
419
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And you feel the way I do
420
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And I care as much as you do
421
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I don't know if this is normal
422
00:25:22,325 --> 00:25:25,125
Ours is a special age
423
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Special
424
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My first kiss was with Tino,
but it didn't last.
425
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She was a girl who'd started out with you
and little by little you start noticing
426
00:25:37,285 --> 00:25:40,205
two little lumps in her t-shirt,
and you're like, "What's that?"
427
00:25:40,710 --> 00:25:45,344
I think part of the attraction
of a relationship when you're very young
428
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is the excitement of meeting up
and distancing...
429
00:25:51,445 --> 00:25:55,765
When you're together all day,
there's no mystery.
430
00:25:55,965 --> 00:25:59,565
He doesn't leave me aloneFor a moment
431
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I can't even breathe
432
00:26:05,965 --> 00:26:09,117
Before we had time to make
that possible relationship official,
433
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I realized that in the front rows,
434
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not just the girls and the fans,
435
00:26:15,586 --> 00:26:18,325
but the moms who had come
with them and that...
436
00:26:18,445 --> 00:26:20,765
You think, "Dude, whoa, check that out!"
437
00:26:21,644 --> 00:26:27,644
What awoke in Tino is what awakes
in all of us when we hit 15 or 16.
438
00:26:28,272 --> 00:26:33,307
And back then, at the concerts,
the girls were, like, crazy,
439
00:26:33,607 --> 00:26:36,800
and all he wanted,
if he met a girl who...
440
00:26:37,385 --> 00:26:41,645
was going to make it easy, was,
well, to take full advantage.
441
00:26:41,725 --> 00:26:44,725
What we all did when we were young.
442
00:26:52,005 --> 00:26:54,285
South America was in love with Tino.
443
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He was the leader.
444
00:26:56,845 --> 00:27:01,685
And in interpersonal relationships
within the band,
445
00:27:02,845 --> 00:27:04,645
subconsciously...
446
00:27:05,885 --> 00:27:07,125
he portrayed it.
447
00:27:11,045 --> 00:27:13,285
Tino, at that time,
had a lot of power in the band,
448
00:27:13,365 --> 00:27:15,285
at that moment
and maybe later on, but...
449
00:27:16,220 --> 00:27:18,780
he acted like a...
450
00:27:19,005 --> 00:27:20,885
Let's put it gently, like a leader.
451
00:27:21,005 --> 00:27:23,725
He was always very clear
as to what he wanted.
452
00:27:24,285 --> 00:27:27,205
And, aside from that, the label,
453
00:27:27,445 --> 00:27:30,965
who were the absolute owners
of the whole Parchís concept,
454
00:27:31,045 --> 00:27:33,645
chose him as their protégé.
455
00:27:35,805 --> 00:27:40,397
That meant that he'd spend all day
at the label's HQ when we were in Spain.
456
00:27:41,245 --> 00:27:44,605
He'd eat out with them,
he knew their secrets,
457
00:27:44,925 --> 00:27:48,165
who was dating who
or who was so and so's lover...
458
00:27:48,245 --> 00:27:51,485
He knew all the goings on,
whereas to us it was all a mystery.
459
00:27:51,565 --> 00:27:54,147
We'd go when there was a meeting...
460
00:27:54,285 --> 00:27:58,605
But we didn't move around
with ease at the label's HQ.
461
00:27:58,685 --> 00:28:01,325
It wasn't our territory.
But it was his.
462
00:28:01,725 --> 00:28:03,245
That gave him a lot of power.
463
00:28:03,565 --> 00:28:06,245
When, in the afternoonI see her leaving
464
00:28:06,725 --> 00:28:10,245
Something seems to burstOut of my chest
465
00:28:10,845 --> 00:28:12,725
Times goes by...
466
00:28:12,885 --> 00:28:16,525
I'm aware and I realize
that, in some way,
467
00:28:16,725 --> 00:28:18,165
on the company's part,
468
00:28:19,005 --> 00:28:22,245
they tried to highlight my presence
469
00:28:22,645 --> 00:28:24,525
for concrete and precise matters.
470
00:28:25,765 --> 00:28:28,285
One day, at a contract signing,
Orfila suddenly says:
471
00:28:28,765 --> 00:28:31,525
"Everyone makes this
and you make this plus that."
472
00:28:32,565 --> 00:28:33,565
How come?
473
00:28:33,645 --> 00:28:36,925
What was I gonna say,
"No, don't you dare"? Well, no.
474
00:28:37,925 --> 00:28:40,525
She's my dream girl
475
00:28:41,725 --> 00:28:44,325
She's my dream girl
476
00:28:46,045 --> 00:28:49,630
There were sort of two sides:
the record label's side...
477
00:28:50,555 --> 00:28:51,965
and Tino was on that side.
478
00:28:52,485 --> 00:28:55,677
And he was one of
their biggest representatives.
479
00:28:56,104 --> 00:28:58,504
He had a lot of scope,
they'd let him do anything.
480
00:28:58,685 --> 00:29:03,525
Obviously, power in a very young kid
can be...
481
00:29:04,285 --> 00:29:06,885
a dangerous weapon.
482
00:29:07,605 --> 00:29:08,565
And he used it.
483
00:29:09,805 --> 00:29:12,152
I think we all had our issues.
484
00:29:12,377 --> 00:29:14,805
You could say that Tino,
being the most famous in the band,
485
00:29:14,885 --> 00:29:18,445
maybe had a more despotic attitude,
but he was also the eldest
486
00:29:18,525 --> 00:29:22,285
and probably had
a more adult thought process.
487
00:29:22,755 --> 00:29:24,525
Are you the one who leads them all?
488
00:29:24,685 --> 00:29:25,987
I wish I was!
489
00:29:26,465 --> 00:29:28,105
-They don't let you.
-Me too!
490
00:29:28,722 --> 00:29:30,605
-But I can't.
-Can't you?
491
00:29:30,685 --> 00:29:33,237
Also, the relationship
with Tino was not good.
492
00:29:33,412 --> 00:29:35,525
I didn't get along with Tino at all,
493
00:29:35,704 --> 00:29:39,104
that is, not in the beginning,
but it got worse.
494
00:29:44,725 --> 00:29:48,165
Oscar was a problematic kid.
495
00:29:49,085 --> 00:29:52,045
He was continually
fighting with the others.
496
00:29:53,685 --> 00:29:55,365
Maybe because he was the youngest,
497
00:29:56,285 --> 00:29:59,205
the others fought continually with him.
498
00:30:00,805 --> 00:30:03,165
At the end of the day,
I got on best with Gemma.
499
00:30:04,645 --> 00:30:07,085
And with the others, well...
500
00:30:07,445 --> 00:30:08,387
less.
501
00:30:11,165 --> 00:30:12,887
Oscar went...
502
00:30:13,885 --> 00:30:15,885
He did his own thing.
503
00:30:16,165 --> 00:30:19,252
On our second trip, his mother came,
so he was...
504
00:30:19,355 --> 00:30:21,795
He was, like, younger,
more protected.
505
00:30:21,925 --> 00:30:26,445
And the fact... the fact that Oscar
had his mother and the rest didn't,
506
00:30:26,580 --> 00:30:29,860
it made the rest of us
be a little like, "Look at him,
507
00:30:29,965 --> 00:30:32,005
how come he gets
to have his mom here..."
508
00:30:32,125 --> 00:30:34,532
Well, because his mom
got on a plane and went!
509
00:30:34,805 --> 00:30:35,965
The others just didn't.
510
00:30:36,205 --> 00:30:39,272
Oscar's mom always came along,
but we never took any notice of her.
511
00:30:40,285 --> 00:30:42,777
So my mom comes along
and she realizes that the whole thing...
512
00:30:44,205 --> 00:30:47,612
is out of control,
and that there were no limits,
513
00:30:48,525 --> 00:30:50,021
no discipline,
514
00:30:50,521 --> 00:30:53,965
and that there was no one
to really look after us.
515
00:30:54,885 --> 00:30:57,165
So when they went to see the kids,
516
00:30:57,245 --> 00:31:00,605
they saw a panorama
they didn't like one bit,
517
00:31:00,845 --> 00:31:05,085
because they saw that the kids
were really abandoned, living...
518
00:31:05,164 --> 00:31:10,053
Throwing things from a terrace
to see if they fell on someone's head...
519
00:31:10,178 --> 00:31:11,685
JOAQUÍN ORISTRELL
TOUR MANAGER
520
00:31:11,805 --> 00:31:15,365
...calling room service and ordering
the most expensive thing on the menu,
521
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,685
like caviar, and not eating it...
522
00:31:17,885 --> 00:31:20,285
They were kids like...
523
00:31:20,447 --> 00:31:24,325
like the ones from Lord of the Flies.
They'd gone wild.
524
00:31:24,565 --> 00:31:27,885
It's not all eating out here,
eating out there,
525
00:31:28,775 --> 00:31:32,445
the best gifts, the best hotels...
526
00:31:32,772 --> 00:31:37,445
and no, that can't be,
there have to be some rules.
527
00:31:40,295 --> 00:31:42,095
Quick, down we go, short stuff!
528
00:31:45,545 --> 00:31:47,795
The feeling I retain from that moment,
529
00:31:48,365 --> 00:31:51,285
is of being well looked after.
530
00:31:51,885 --> 00:31:55,205
Things improved a lot after that
because we had teachers.
531
00:31:55,445 --> 00:32:01,405
Something happened that had upset
the foundations of the group, so...
532
00:32:02,205 --> 00:32:06,205
As there were important commitments
to go abroad, etcetera,
533
00:32:06,925 --> 00:32:10,125
they were hoping to find the person
534
00:32:10,205 --> 00:32:15,205
who could somehow cover the job
of being with the kids,
535
00:32:15,325 --> 00:32:17,525
to be a caregiver,
536
00:32:17,645 --> 00:32:19,965
someone to entertain and distract them.
537
00:32:20,125 --> 00:32:22,965
And aren't you guys tired of recording?
538
00:32:23,045 --> 00:32:24,045
No.
539
00:32:24,125 --> 00:32:25,325
-And of singing?
-No.
540
00:32:25,405 --> 00:32:27,325
-Don't you miss your mom?
-What?
541
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,337
-Don't you miss your mom?
-You have her here!
542
00:32:29,420 --> 00:32:32,062
-His mother's here.
-Is she?
543
00:32:33,365 --> 00:32:36,725
Oscar's mother wasn't happy with how...
544
00:32:37,595 --> 00:32:41,515
the issue of our fame was being handled.
545
00:32:42,487 --> 00:32:47,325
As a kid you'd probably say,
"I'm tired" or "I'd rather be at home..."
546
00:32:47,405 --> 00:32:51,784
but you don't have the view to say:
"This isn't for me, as a world," right?
547
00:32:52,365 --> 00:32:53,685
My mother could see that,
548
00:32:54,005 --> 00:32:58,005
I think that by traveling with me,
with us all, to South America...
549
00:32:58,075 --> 00:32:59,365
IT'S A GAME TO SING
550
00:32:59,565 --> 00:33:02,620
...she saw that things
weren't going down a good path.
551
00:33:02,670 --> 00:33:06,465
SPAIN'S YOUNGEST MILLIONAIRES
TVE REPRESENTATIVES AT THE WARSAW FESTIVAL
552
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,445
There was a campaign
to say that she was someone...
553
00:33:12,045 --> 00:33:14,045
That she was damaging the band,
554
00:33:14,845 --> 00:33:16,565
that she was bad for us,
555
00:33:17,365 --> 00:33:20,565
that she lied,
and that she was irritating.
556
00:33:21,245 --> 00:33:24,085
So the other parents, sort of...
557
00:33:24,512 --> 00:33:26,685
started to see her
as a problematic person.
558
00:33:26,765 --> 00:33:29,565
"And now what does she want to tell us?
And now...
559
00:33:29,685 --> 00:33:32,645
it turns out that instead
of eight hours they worked ten?"
560
00:33:32,875 --> 00:33:37,845
And they entered into a dynamic that
anything that Oscar's mother said
561
00:33:38,005 --> 00:33:41,565
didn't seem to have a positive bearing
on the band.
562
00:33:42,165 --> 00:33:44,805
With the other parents...
563
00:33:44,965 --> 00:33:46,330
VICTÓRIA CAÑADAS
OSCAR'S MOTHER
564
00:33:46,405 --> 00:33:49,525
...I had a good relationship,
but every time I went along on a trip,
565
00:33:49,765 --> 00:33:51,605
I told them what was going on.
566
00:33:52,045 --> 00:33:53,845
And what was going on was...
567
00:33:54,765 --> 00:33:56,596
that the kids weren't getting paid,
568
00:33:56,799 --> 00:33:58,662
that they were being exploited
and all that.
569
00:33:59,245 --> 00:34:04,106
All of their performances
were full to the brim with people.
570
00:34:04,256 --> 00:34:06,317
So where was the money going?
571
00:34:06,925 --> 00:34:09,284
You didn't have to be an accountant
to see that.
572
00:34:09,405 --> 00:34:11,245
It clearly didn't add up.
573
00:34:11,815 --> 00:34:16,335
Some kids' parents didn't find it
as worrying as Oscar's mom did.
574
00:34:16,605 --> 00:34:20,605
At that time,
the spotlight was burning bright
575
00:34:20,885 --> 00:34:26,889
and certainly, even though
I was hung, drawn and quartered...
576
00:34:27,165 --> 00:34:29,764
I'd go on tour for two months
577
00:34:29,844 --> 00:34:33,125
and make what my father
was making in four.
578
00:34:33,284 --> 00:34:35,485
I think Gemma's mother,
as well as mine,
579
00:34:36,205 --> 00:34:39,284
would let their husbands
control them a lot.
580
00:34:39,485 --> 00:34:44,205
And the husbands had a different idea
of what was good for their daughters.
581
00:34:49,045 --> 00:34:53,565
In my uncle's case I have no doubt,
it was the profession.
582
00:34:54,081 --> 00:34:57,457
He was a man on the way down,
and being involved in all of that
583
00:34:57,525 --> 00:35:00,845
was something that invigorated him,
fascinated him.
584
00:35:00,925 --> 00:35:03,965
He liked that his daughter could be
a performer...
585
00:35:04,193 --> 00:35:05,193
That's for sure.
586
00:35:05,325 --> 00:35:08,925
At that time, I was separated
587
00:35:09,245 --> 00:35:12,525
and I needed the money,
but I put Oscar first.
588
00:35:12,965 --> 00:35:17,165
I put Oscar before my own needs.
589
00:35:18,509 --> 00:35:21,789
We're five real friends
590
00:35:21,965 --> 00:35:26,110
I asked him if he wanted me to take him
out of the band and he said, "Well, yes."
591
00:35:26,325 --> 00:35:29,085
I mean, he wasn't totally sure, but yes.
592
00:35:29,325 --> 00:35:32,180
Because he had fun too,
593
00:35:32,305 --> 00:35:36,165
the kids played a lot,
he traveled a lot...
594
00:35:38,005 --> 00:35:39,725
I mean, it wasn't all bad.
595
00:35:41,925 --> 00:35:45,445
If I have to have this woman there,
not good.
596
00:35:45,525 --> 00:35:50,085
The kid's not comfortable.
I made a profile of what was going on.
597
00:35:50,605 --> 00:35:52,405
Together without fear
598
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,080
And I suggested that if we wanted
to move forward
599
00:35:55,210 --> 00:35:56,961
and not be met with surprises,
600
00:35:57,061 --> 00:35:59,965
it was convenient and necessary
to replace him.
601
00:36:00,644 --> 00:36:04,044
We're five real friends
602
00:36:04,125 --> 00:36:07,205
But when we wanted to leave the band,
it wasn't easy.
603
00:36:09,405 --> 00:36:13,338
They said there were pending tours,
there were contracts...
604
00:36:13,763 --> 00:36:17,165
For us as kids it was like,
"This woman only finds problems
605
00:36:17,245 --> 00:36:19,070
and now she wants to leave,
so let her go."
606
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:20,960
That's all, right? No more complications.
607
00:36:22,300 --> 00:36:25,580
But we must admit
that the things she was saying,
608
00:36:25,725 --> 00:36:29,445
she was probably more in the right
than our parents.
609
00:36:30,485 --> 00:36:34,405
I don't feel like
they were traumatized by Oscar leaving.
610
00:36:34,765 --> 00:36:37,845
Because I imagine that
when I arrived he'd spent a while
611
00:36:38,005 --> 00:36:41,187
threatening to leave.
And if he hadn't, his mother had.
612
00:36:41,405 --> 00:36:43,085
And somehow to them,
613
00:36:43,165 --> 00:36:46,445
as they wanted to continue and they were
happy with what they were doing,
614
00:36:46,525 --> 00:36:48,645
what they wanted was for someone new
to join,
615
00:36:48,829 --> 00:36:50,949
and problem solved, it was that easy.
616
00:36:51,734 --> 00:36:53,654
Hello, friends. We are Parchís.
617
00:36:53,923 --> 00:36:56,578
And as I'm the eldest
I've been asked to introduce the others.
618
00:36:56,778 --> 00:36:59,645
Here we have the youngest member,
the pup of the band, Frank.
619
00:36:59,805 --> 00:37:01,725
Hey, I'm nine!
620
00:37:01,925 --> 00:37:06,045
Oscar always took the position of,
"I do it, I'm all right,
621
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,080
but I don't love it,"
because he was a model.
622
00:37:09,845 --> 00:37:10,845
Frank...
623
00:37:11,024 --> 00:37:12,504
Parchís was his life.
624
00:37:12,885 --> 00:37:17,605
He had an awesome passion
for the band.
625
00:37:19,075 --> 00:37:21,035
We're recording, right?
My versions are...
626
00:37:24,805 --> 00:37:26,978
My versions are from...
627
00:37:27,445 --> 00:37:30,685
There are lots of things that,
as my colleagues Yolanda and Gemma state,
628
00:37:30,805 --> 00:37:32,297
I exaggerate a lot.
629
00:37:32,845 --> 00:37:34,565
I tend to exaggerate a bit.
630
00:37:34,725 --> 00:37:38,033
If I tell you that there were
150,000 people, maybe it was 70,000.
631
00:37:38,501 --> 00:37:41,585
But I do remember a lot of things.
632
00:37:49,565 --> 00:37:51,698
They started telling me
everything that had to be done.
633
00:37:52,365 --> 00:37:55,235
Tour around Mexico, Argentina,
a movie...
634
00:37:55,350 --> 00:37:56,990
and I misunderstood.
635
00:37:57,245 --> 00:37:59,805
I understood that I'd be joining
after all that.
636
00:38:00,250 --> 00:38:02,560
The walls and the floor as well
637
00:38:02,685 --> 00:38:06,485
When my parents told me
I'd be starting in a month's time,
638
00:38:06,565 --> 00:38:08,531
the joy was overwhelming.
639
00:38:08,685 --> 00:38:11,568
To join Parchís, a band I really loved.
640
00:38:12,220 --> 00:38:16,885
And Frank was a kid
who worked out really well.
641
00:38:17,005 --> 00:38:19,645
Firstly, due to his physical attributes,
642
00:38:19,900 --> 00:38:23,180
due to his charisma
and him being a natural.
643
00:38:24,405 --> 00:38:26,965
Hello, friends
644
00:38:27,765 --> 00:38:31,485
It was Yolanda and Gemma who helped me
the most from the beginning.
645
00:38:31,765 --> 00:38:34,525
They spent many days
teaching me the steps,
646
00:38:34,605 --> 00:38:37,165
where I came in,
where I went out...
647
00:38:37,384 --> 00:38:40,344
It was harder for him
to get the choreography,
648
00:38:40,575 --> 00:38:42,030
because he was the smallest.
649
00:38:42,765 --> 00:38:46,285
He'd be sort of following the steps
of the older kids.
650
00:38:47,325 --> 00:38:52,525
That's why in lots of scenes it looks
like I'm being funny, but the truth is...
651
00:38:52,685 --> 00:38:54,645
that I'd get lost,
I'd get lost because I was...
652
00:38:56,605 --> 00:38:59,768
It was a lot of information
for a nine- or ten-year-old kid.
653
00:39:00,965 --> 00:39:02,645
Do you think it will work?
654
00:39:02,725 --> 00:39:05,005
Yes, it has the most powerful magnet
in existence.
655
00:39:05,085 --> 00:39:07,285
Frank and I, it was a constant game,
always.
656
00:39:07,365 --> 00:39:10,765
Everything we saw as an opportunity
to play.
657
00:39:10,965 --> 00:39:12,205
Everything.
658
00:39:15,669 --> 00:39:17,310
It's not like we'd wreck hotels,
659
00:39:17,385 --> 00:39:20,765
but we'd make
training obstacle courses in our room.
660
00:39:20,925 --> 00:39:24,485
In Cádiz, they set up a football pitch
in a bedroom.
661
00:39:25,125 --> 00:39:26,965
In a five-star hotel.
662
00:39:27,045 --> 00:39:28,085
A hotel in Buenos Aires,
663
00:39:28,245 --> 00:39:31,285
where we'd often make
tents with the beds and all that,
664
00:39:31,365 --> 00:39:33,485
told us not to return.
665
00:39:36,485 --> 00:39:40,725
For a time,
we turned into sort of thieves.
666
00:39:41,685 --> 00:39:43,765
My first cologne was Agua Brava,
667
00:39:43,925 --> 00:39:45,845
which was the cologne
your dad would wear,
668
00:39:45,925 --> 00:39:48,525
and it was one of the perfumes
we'd steal on the plane.
669
00:39:49,271 --> 00:39:50,525
Crank it up.
670
00:39:54,045 --> 00:39:57,245
We'd go to souvenir shops
for tourists, for example,
671
00:39:57,445 --> 00:40:01,610
and when we saw something we liked,
we'd steal it.
672
00:40:01,735 --> 00:40:03,845
And then we'd get to the hotel
and we'd be like,
673
00:40:04,205 --> 00:40:07,045
"How many have you got
and how many have I got?"
674
00:40:07,205 --> 00:40:08,805
Okay, let's film.
675
00:40:08,885 --> 00:40:11,005
Stop that machine, it's noisy.
676
00:40:11,445 --> 00:40:12,885
Silence!
677
00:40:12,965 --> 00:40:15,525
Mexico, Argentina,
were the first countries I visited...
678
00:40:15,725 --> 00:40:16,765
Lights!
679
00:40:16,885 --> 00:40:19,525
It was a constant trip.
680
00:40:19,845 --> 00:40:20,965
Playback!
681
00:40:27,045 --> 00:40:32,085
You come from a humble family and suddenly
you're in the middle of this hullabaloo
682
00:40:32,205 --> 00:40:37,485
with planes, helicopters.
fans, tours, interviews...
683
00:40:42,605 --> 00:40:45,205
We'd arrive there and we were like...
684
00:40:45,365 --> 00:40:47,845
I felt like the Beatles. It was...
685
00:40:48,254 --> 00:40:50,965
They welcomed you.
They gave you everything.
686
00:40:51,125 --> 00:40:53,405
And another of the great rewards
they received
687
00:40:53,485 --> 00:40:57,485
was a triple platinum record
for the sale of three million copies,
688
00:40:57,565 --> 00:40:59,885
so just imagine. Go, Parchís!
689
00:41:01,718 --> 00:41:03,339
The end of the great adventure
690
00:41:03,424 --> 00:41:05,788
Their success was so awesome,
691
00:41:06,805 --> 00:41:11,045
it was impossible to remain oblivious.
692
00:41:12,845 --> 00:41:14,825
Come on, kids, we're ready for rehearsal.
693
00:41:15,220 --> 00:41:17,940
I mean, it would infect you.
694
00:41:18,045 --> 00:41:23,925
So you were somehow swept away
in that wave and on that path
695
00:41:24,005 --> 00:41:26,645
and even if you could have
a critical perspective of the issue,
696
00:41:26,805 --> 00:41:28,605
you'd get carried away.
697
00:41:28,685 --> 00:41:31,605
I ended up writing lyrics
and preparing shows for them.
698
00:41:31,810 --> 00:41:35,370
And now, what all the kids
have been waiting for,
699
00:41:35,525 --> 00:41:37,125
with you all, Parchís!
700
00:41:47,125 --> 00:41:49,405
I mean, I've experienced, for example,
701
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:54,440
going to certain places
that were cock fighting enclosures,
702
00:41:55,445 --> 00:41:59,577
and saying to the promoter, "You have to
give me the money before the performance."
703
00:41:59,710 --> 00:42:02,150
And he had two six foot officers
at his back
704
00:42:02,305 --> 00:42:04,265
who pulled out two guns like this,
705
00:42:04,445 --> 00:42:07,485
and he said, "The kids will perform
and then you'll get your money."
706
00:42:07,964 --> 00:42:12,964
Whose mission is to protectThe Earth from attacks
707
00:42:13,245 --> 00:42:15,205
We've performed in places...
708
00:42:15,765 --> 00:42:19,605
some odd, diverse
and complicated places.
709
00:42:19,685 --> 00:42:21,445
You might play in a concert hall today
710
00:42:21,540 --> 00:42:23,462
and in the afternoon in a place
that you say,
711
00:42:23,637 --> 00:42:25,245
"How's this held together?
Four planks."
712
00:42:28,045 --> 00:42:29,725
We'd had a problem in a concert,
713
00:42:29,925 --> 00:42:31,925
there was a song
where we got kids onstage,
714
00:42:32,125 --> 00:42:34,805
and there was
a black curtain behind us,
715
00:42:35,005 --> 00:42:37,605
but the curtain wasn't attached
to the wooden stage...
716
00:42:37,885 --> 00:42:40,325
It's really funIt's our favorite
717
00:42:40,630 --> 00:42:44,270
...and the kids came up
and got behind us to sing,
718
00:42:44,525 --> 00:42:48,205
but unfortunately kids
kept falling off the back.
719
00:42:50,045 --> 00:42:53,005
We saw parents going...
and people getting up...
720
00:42:53,125 --> 00:42:54,870
We didn't know what they were doing.
721
00:42:56,085 --> 00:42:58,565
Often there were places that we'd say,
722
00:42:58,645 --> 00:43:01,522
"Where have we just performed?
With what resources?"
723
00:43:01,772 --> 00:43:07,925
But the great thing is that people,
even if we'd sung without mics,
724
00:43:08,725 --> 00:43:10,845
people thought it was fantastic.
725
00:43:17,545 --> 00:43:20,065
The show could be good,
bad or mediocre.
726
00:43:20,285 --> 00:43:24,512
People just wanted to see us,
to be there, to have that experience
727
00:43:24,925 --> 00:43:26,645
of being at the concert.
728
00:43:31,365 --> 00:43:33,005
The boys and girls
729
00:43:33,525 --> 00:43:36,845
aged twelve, thirteen,
fourteen, fifteen and sixteen,
730
00:43:36,925 --> 00:43:38,285
would go crazy.
731
00:43:39,122 --> 00:43:42,980
Friends of Parchís
732
00:43:43,205 --> 00:43:46,525
But the kids aged four, five,
six, seven,
733
00:43:46,845 --> 00:43:51,165
were stupefied seeing all that,
and they took part:
734
00:43:51,285 --> 00:43:53,488
"Did you like it?" "Yes!"
"I can't hear you!" "Yes!"
735
00:43:54,952 --> 00:43:58,245
Friends of Parchís
736
00:43:58,365 --> 00:44:01,005
One of the reasons why we connected
so well with people
737
00:44:01,085 --> 00:44:03,685
was because they realized
that we were having fun.
738
00:44:15,770 --> 00:44:19,370
Despite being shy,
getting up onstage...
739
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:21,298
I loved it.
740
00:44:21,373 --> 00:44:24,645
Just seeing...
The more people, the merrier.
741
00:44:24,805 --> 00:44:27,965
Because people,
like in Mexico or in Argentina,
742
00:44:28,214 --> 00:44:30,934
there they call your name, they scream,
743
00:44:31,045 --> 00:44:34,285
you hear your name everywhere.
You feel so loved.
744
00:44:34,485 --> 00:44:37,365
Another member of the hottest
child and youth band,
745
00:44:37,445 --> 00:44:39,285
here's Gemma!
746
00:44:42,365 --> 00:44:45,390
Thing is, after a while
it got hard for me,
747
00:44:45,565 --> 00:44:50,805
the thing with the tours, traveling,
movies, interviews...
748
00:44:51,605 --> 00:44:52,925
it got heavy going.
749
00:44:53,565 --> 00:44:57,365
I think Gemma is a pretty brave woman.
750
00:44:57,845 --> 00:45:02,325
From a young age,
she handled things well.
751
00:45:03,045 --> 00:45:06,285
She had a great natural intelligence.
752
00:45:06,565 --> 00:45:08,805
She met Yolanda and...
753
00:45:09,293 --> 00:45:14,085
they got on very well,
especially because Gemma yielded,
754
00:45:14,445 --> 00:45:16,565
but I think she needed that at her side.
755
00:45:17,685 --> 00:45:19,445
But the relationship they had
756
00:45:19,565 --> 00:45:24,085
was a slave relationship,
as it's known in philosophy.
757
00:45:24,165 --> 00:45:26,085
The master and the slave.
758
00:45:26,245 --> 00:45:29,405
Each needed the other
to be who they were.
759
00:45:29,485 --> 00:45:33,325
People may think
that I tried to overshadow her,
760
00:45:33,485 --> 00:45:34,645
but it wasn't like that.
761
00:45:35,965 --> 00:45:40,165
I think that, emotionally,
we depended on each other.
762
00:45:40,645 --> 00:45:42,925
And in that sense
I depended on her a lot,
763
00:45:43,180 --> 00:45:44,679
because she looked after me too.
764
00:45:45,045 --> 00:45:47,205
There were times she felt tired,
that's true.
765
00:45:47,285 --> 00:45:51,525
Maybe her energy was less sizable
than Yolanda's,
766
00:45:51,605 --> 00:45:53,965
who gets it from her father,
767
00:45:54,045 --> 00:45:57,485
and who's a woman
who loves her job above all else.
768
00:45:57,923 --> 00:46:02,320
This beautiful ten-year-old kid, Yolanda,
is Rudy Ventura's daughter.
769
00:46:02,395 --> 00:46:04,479
I want to know if you like
that she is a singer.
770
00:46:04,555 --> 00:46:05,980
2/8/1979
YOLANDA'S FIRST TV APPEARANCE
771
00:46:06,100 --> 00:46:11,893
Yes, she has recorded albums
and stories for children. I like it.
772
00:46:12,094 --> 00:46:14,818
What about her?
Do you like to sing, Yolanda?
773
00:46:14,892 --> 00:46:16,317
Yes, a lot.
774
00:46:17,232 --> 00:46:20,990
Well, let's see her performing
"Si Vas a París, Papá."
775
00:46:23,999 --> 00:46:26,999
My father was like,
"You have to be a singer and an actress...
776
00:46:27,325 --> 00:46:29,565
a supercomplete performer.
777
00:46:29,965 --> 00:46:34,205
And the stage is sacred,
even if you don't feel well,
778
00:46:34,325 --> 00:46:37,769
on stage you give it all..."
because he was like that.
779
00:46:38,257 --> 00:46:41,647
Daddy goes to ParisAnd he won't say what for
780
00:46:41,885 --> 00:46:45,610
If he's going to Moulin RougeOr to get a baby
781
00:46:45,889 --> 00:46:47,492
Daddy goes to Paris...
782
00:46:47,708 --> 00:46:49,405
Of course, my mother would tell him,
783
00:46:49,485 --> 00:46:52,623
"But the girl has to go to school,
she isn't going to school."
784
00:46:53,098 --> 00:46:55,518
And my father was like,
"But she's doing well," so...
785
00:46:56,365 --> 00:46:59,285
"She's doing what she's going to do."
786
00:47:03,530 --> 00:47:06,730
The first impression wasn't like,
"Be careful with the academic issue."
787
00:47:06,805 --> 00:47:09,725
But suddenly,
the following year it was like,
788
00:47:09,805 --> 00:47:11,725
"These kids aren't going
to school much."
789
00:47:11,815 --> 00:47:15,085
Another school yearWhat adventures can we expect?
790
00:47:15,165 --> 00:47:18,325
Your teachers did give you
your subject matter,
791
00:47:18,447 --> 00:47:20,349
but of course, you didn't go to class.
792
00:47:20,565 --> 00:47:23,373
In fact, in my third year in Parchís,
I went to school five or six days.
793
00:47:23,462 --> 00:47:24,987
THE SECOND CHILDREN'S WAR
794
00:47:25,205 --> 00:47:26,765
And they made me repeat that year.
795
00:47:27,690 --> 00:47:31,650
With Latin, English and FrenchTo battle once again
796
00:47:34,385 --> 00:47:39,245
For a kid of fifteen who comes back
with the whirlwind of success and that,
797
00:47:39,325 --> 00:47:41,532
to face the day to day again...
798
00:47:41,982 --> 00:47:47,285
There were some moments
that were a little complicated.
799
00:47:51,925 --> 00:47:53,382
School was really hard.
800
00:47:55,725 --> 00:47:58,300
And I've always said that...
801
00:47:58,885 --> 00:48:04,605
the fame or fandom that we got
in Latin American countries
802
00:48:04,685 --> 00:48:06,522
turned into a search
and destroy in Spain.
803
00:48:07,285 --> 00:48:11,125
It was always, "Parchís, chis, chis..."
"What?" "Parchís, chis!"
804
00:48:11,205 --> 00:48:12,245
The usual.
805
00:48:12,325 --> 00:48:15,845
But you eventually
become immune to all that.
806
00:48:16,365 --> 00:48:18,645
Are you happy to be back at school?
807
00:48:19,165 --> 00:48:20,085
Yes!
808
00:48:20,525 --> 00:48:21,525
I'm glad.
809
00:48:21,734 --> 00:48:24,142
There was a moment when I said,
"Let's bring a teacher along."
810
00:48:24,267 --> 00:48:25,965
In case, at some point...
811
00:48:26,125 --> 00:48:28,965
Because on those long tours,
there would suddenly be four days
812
00:48:29,045 --> 00:48:31,112
that they might be a bit quiet.
813
00:48:31,276 --> 00:48:34,119
I think I kind of played the role
of the parents who weren't there.
814
00:48:34,905 --> 00:48:36,980
Sort of the job of making them study...
815
00:48:37,090 --> 00:48:38,520
IMMA CABECERANS
TEACHER
816
00:48:38,645 --> 00:48:40,957
...be there for them
when they had a problem...
817
00:48:41,282 --> 00:48:43,965
A bit like a care-giving mother.
818
00:48:57,724 --> 00:49:03,084
I think that the moment reality struck
was when we finished a tour,
819
00:49:03,165 --> 00:49:06,422
we got back to Barcelona,
and they were out of place
820
00:49:06,525 --> 00:49:08,247
because they didn't have school friends.
821
00:49:08,389 --> 00:49:12,481
I'd get to school and they'd go off
on trips, to camps and all that,
822
00:49:12,607 --> 00:49:14,389
and I could never go because I had tours.
823
00:49:14,525 --> 00:49:17,495
And swing my sword like D'Artagnan!
824
00:49:18,445 --> 00:49:21,685
I guess that, as soon as they got
into that routine,
825
00:49:21,765 --> 00:49:25,649
they almost preferred to spend four months
away from home than to be there.
826
00:49:26,685 --> 00:49:28,805
Being just another kid at school.
827
00:49:29,349 --> 00:49:33,429
Our mischief is innocentHilarious...
828
00:49:33,525 --> 00:49:35,925
Why can't I be in my group
from school
829
00:49:36,085 --> 00:49:39,485
if they ask me to go out,
and speak normally
830
00:49:39,565 --> 00:49:42,325
without anyone looking me up and down
to see how I'm dressed?
831
00:49:42,765 --> 00:49:44,485
It was all a bubble.
832
00:49:44,925 --> 00:49:46,365
Our bubble.
833
00:49:46,765 --> 00:49:48,245
And we lived there.
834
00:49:53,109 --> 00:49:56,549
Because it was such a whirlwind,
you barely had time to think.
835
00:49:56,847 --> 00:49:59,024
Every day we'd do new things,
appear on television...
836
00:50:00,525 --> 00:50:03,485
Almost every day there was a performance.
837
00:50:04,325 --> 00:50:06,405
Okay, don't get nervous.
838
00:50:06,485 --> 00:50:08,965
The main thing is to keep calm.
839
00:50:09,045 --> 00:50:12,205
Are you nervous? Would you like
a tranquilizer for your nerves?
840
00:50:12,285 --> 00:50:13,472
No, no... Better not.
841
00:50:13,947 --> 00:50:16,925
Everyone who had power and money
842
00:50:17,005 --> 00:50:21,165
wanted Parchís to rub shoulders
with their children, grandchildren...
843
00:50:21,365 --> 00:50:24,917
So, of course,
the kids would kick up a lot
844
00:50:25,067 --> 00:50:27,400
and they'd often start trouble.
845
00:50:27,605 --> 00:50:30,232
But we'd do it.
We might say...
846
00:50:30,765 --> 00:50:35,125
But we'd go. We'd go to the party
or interview or whatever.
847
00:50:39,605 --> 00:50:41,405
Their special routine
848
00:50:41,485 --> 00:50:44,957
was they'd set one foot on the plane
and they'd fall asleep.
849
00:50:48,125 --> 00:50:50,485
Well, I can't wait another minute
to visit Rio de Janeiro.
850
00:50:50,565 --> 00:50:51,965
Why don't we go right now?
851
00:50:52,125 --> 00:50:54,285
I learned to sleep on planes too.
852
00:50:54,445 --> 00:50:58,005
On that four-month tour, I think that,
as far as sleeping in a bed,
853
00:50:58,185 --> 00:51:00,625
I must have slept
less than four hours a day
854
00:51:00,725 --> 00:51:03,765
over those four months,
so I'd get there and crash out.
855
00:51:04,045 --> 00:51:07,085
Returning to Mexico,the extraordinary and classy band
856
00:51:07,205 --> 00:51:10,092
that, one time onlyand for just four shows,
857
00:51:10,217 --> 00:51:12,605
will perform in the Aztec Pavilionand in Mexico City.
858
00:51:12,845 --> 00:51:16,445
In Mexico, if you didn't work
with Televisa,
859
00:51:16,845 --> 00:51:17,972
you didn't work.
860
00:51:18,605 --> 00:51:22,445
They had the power, not as a label,
but media power.
861
00:51:22,685 --> 00:51:25,605
Parchís the idols,Parchís the brilliant,
862
00:51:25,725 --> 00:51:27,645
Parchís the consecrated.
863
00:51:27,765 --> 00:51:30,845
Televisa was the most important company
in Mexico,
864
00:51:30,925 --> 00:51:32,685
but the one that paid the worst.
865
00:51:32,790 --> 00:51:34,590
Saturday 24thand Sunday 25th of April,
866
00:51:34,685 --> 00:51:37,485
4:00 p.m. and 7:00 p.m.in the Aztec Pavilion.
867
00:51:37,765 --> 00:51:41,645
And then lurking around the hotel,
868
00:51:42,085 --> 00:51:45,525
I don't know through whom,
nor why, nor in what way,
869
00:51:45,685 --> 00:51:47,365
this character appeared.
870
00:51:47,885 --> 00:51:51,107
Jorge Berlanga, for example, is who sold
Hugo Sánchez to Atletico de Madrid,
871
00:51:51,485 --> 00:51:54,725
so he's a guy who works a lot
with football transfers,
872
00:51:54,845 --> 00:51:56,205
he knows all about it,
873
00:51:56,325 --> 00:51:59,005
he's a close friend of Maradona's,
he knows the deal with Messi.
874
00:51:59,065 --> 00:52:00,882
He's a real character.
If you ever meet him,
875
00:52:00,955 --> 00:52:03,155
take a lot of batteries,
and I mean a lot,
876
00:52:03,485 --> 00:52:06,405
because I'm Harpo Marx in comparison.
877
00:52:07,325 --> 00:52:08,845
Joaquín would say...
878
00:52:09,202 --> 00:52:12,925
and he can confirm this
if you speak to him again,
879
00:52:13,005 --> 00:52:14,005
he said...
880
00:52:14,315 --> 00:52:15,642
PARCHÍS' MANAGER IN MEXICO
881
00:52:15,717 --> 00:52:17,755
..."The first Porsche
I ever got into was yours."
882
00:52:18,205 --> 00:52:22,605
Did I have a Porsche?
I don't even remember having a Porsche!
883
00:52:22,885 --> 00:52:26,405
So, he explains that he knows that...
884
00:52:26,845 --> 00:52:29,445
that working with him
would be better,
885
00:52:29,645 --> 00:52:34,805
and that he had a network
of managers all over the country,
886
00:52:34,885 --> 00:52:38,125
that we could book much bigger gigs.
887
00:52:38,380 --> 00:52:40,960
As an aside,
the kids wouldn't be as tired;
888
00:52:41,035 --> 00:52:47,735
he offered them, for long journeys,
to go by private jet.
889
00:52:48,205 --> 00:52:50,445
I felt a terrible lethargy
890
00:52:50,805 --> 00:52:55,365
arriving and queueing for a flight
with 200 people to board five kids,
891
00:52:56,580 --> 00:52:59,540
so I'd say to some businessman,
"Send me a plane."
892
00:53:03,365 --> 00:53:05,645
They gave us luxuries,
that they did.
893
00:53:05,765 --> 00:53:07,725
And the best.
894
00:53:08,325 --> 00:53:12,905
If I wanted to go to a shopping center
and I was adamant that I liked a ring,
895
00:53:13,302 --> 00:53:15,022
then I got the ring, right?
896
00:53:16,805 --> 00:53:19,845
Jorge Berlanga did well
897
00:53:19,925 --> 00:53:23,423
in saying, "The kids need
a day off per week."
898
00:53:23,645 --> 00:53:25,310
No one had ever done that.
899
00:53:25,860 --> 00:53:30,820
Or, "If these kids have a birthday,
they need it to be celebrated,"
900
00:53:30,925 --> 00:53:34,805
and they'd turn up with mariachis
and give us gifts...
901
00:53:34,965 --> 00:53:37,595
Before that, you could spend
your birthday on plane
902
00:53:37,735 --> 00:53:39,135
and no one cared.
903
00:53:39,448 --> 00:53:43,616
What bound me to Parchís
was a series of circumstances.
904
00:53:43,765 --> 00:53:47,245
The first was the huge affection
I developed for Joaquín Oristrell
905
00:53:47,405 --> 00:53:51,165
and Carmen Balaguer and Rudy Ventura,
may he rest in peace.
906
00:53:51,669 --> 00:53:52,693
The second...
907
00:53:55,505 --> 00:53:57,209
my children adored Parchís.
908
00:53:57,460 --> 00:54:00,964
On the longest tour we had,
our parents came along.
909
00:54:01,085 --> 00:54:04,752
All our parents were invited...
910
00:54:05,005 --> 00:54:08,005
to Las Vegas, then to Acapulco...
911
00:54:08,189 --> 00:54:11,069
We went to Los Angeles,San Francisco,
912
00:54:11,205 --> 00:54:12,535
we went to Orlando.
913
00:54:12,685 --> 00:54:17,048
That was all paid for by the manager,
Mr. Berlanga, in this case.
914
00:54:17,527 --> 00:54:18,827
And he paid for my wife,
915
00:54:19,027 --> 00:54:21,046
who wasn't my wife at the time,
she was my girlfriend.
916
00:54:21,245 --> 00:54:25,417
She'd tell me all the anecdotes
from the trip, which I experienced later.
917
00:54:25,917 --> 00:54:28,356
I mean, it was a number,
918
00:54:28,685 --> 00:54:30,045
it was...
919
00:54:30,925 --> 00:54:33,205
A "Sentmenat" was a Seven Up;
920
00:54:33,405 --> 00:54:37,212
the "Tutti Frutti" was the Duty Free
and so on.
921
00:54:37,362 --> 00:54:41,645
It was like a cartoon family
going to Mexico.
922
00:54:42,005 --> 00:54:46,205
So you'd end up in one of those
open-grill Japanese restaurants,
923
00:54:46,525 --> 00:54:49,485
a super awesome one,
between this guy and that guy,
924
00:54:49,645 --> 00:54:52,145
these people who'd just come
from a humble neighborhood...
925
00:54:52,256 --> 00:54:55,702
We were in Distrito Federalwith the parents,
926
00:54:55,927 --> 00:54:59,742
and they were delighted to watchsome of the kids' performances.
927
00:54:59,925 --> 00:55:03,630
They were in the best hotels,all expenses paid,
928
00:55:03,802 --> 00:55:07,504
and so the parents were happy,the kids were happy, and I was happy too.
929
00:55:09,352 --> 00:55:13,325
So, at the Aztec Pavilion
in Mexico again,
930
00:55:13,405 --> 00:55:16,118
it was a more exclusive gig
931
00:55:16,244 --> 00:55:20,394
and let's say the venue's capacity
was 6,500 people,
932
00:55:20,525 --> 00:55:23,855
really expensive tickets and all that,
they crammed in 10,000.
933
00:55:23,967 --> 00:55:27,767
It was a stage set up in a marquee,
a bit like a circus, but not.
934
00:55:28,005 --> 00:55:30,537
What happens?
That marquee was sweltering.
935
00:55:30,725 --> 00:55:32,347
And it started to rain sweat.
936
00:55:32,497 --> 00:55:35,165
The climate in there was inhumane.
937
00:55:35,325 --> 00:55:37,405
We had to change them several times.
938
00:55:37,485 --> 00:55:40,965
The parents were at that one,
everyone's parents, as guests.
939
00:55:41,045 --> 00:55:43,365
I remember one mother
thought it was unbearable,
940
00:55:43,485 --> 00:55:46,085
so the next day she didn't go
to see her daughter sweat.
941
00:55:46,220 --> 00:55:49,180
And I said, "Come on, if your daughter
can sweat, you can sweat!
942
00:55:49,285 --> 00:55:53,165
At least you'll be able to buy yourself
something with her money."
943
00:55:53,245 --> 00:55:55,405
Well, anyway, I had my problems with them.
944
00:56:09,737 --> 00:56:16,605
I'd say the most significant performance
by Parchís in their artistic career
945
00:56:16,805 --> 00:56:21,005
was in the Aztec Stadium, without a doubt.
946
00:56:21,127 --> 00:56:22,685
AZTEC STADIUM
947
00:56:23,405 --> 00:56:25,612
One of the anecdotes
from those two days
948
00:56:25,725 --> 00:56:30,725
is that I remember this kid
who was begging, who called us...
949
00:56:33,456 --> 00:56:35,865
I remember seeing that kid get
right to the front row
950
00:56:35,965 --> 00:56:38,380
and he spent the whole concert
with his arms out like a cross.
951
00:56:39,050 --> 00:56:41,070
This is America
952
00:56:41,195 --> 00:56:43,292
He was a kid who had been begging
so he could end up
953
00:56:43,405 --> 00:56:45,233
listening with his arms stretched out.
954
00:56:45,308 --> 00:56:46,808
That made an impression on me.
955
00:56:47,045 --> 00:56:51,205
America, a paradise beyond compare
956
00:56:53,525 --> 00:56:55,365
I remember a performance
957
00:56:55,525 --> 00:57:01,965
in a place called Bosques del Lago,
north of Distrito Federal.
958
00:57:02,325 --> 00:57:04,325
We had to get to the location
by helicopter.
959
00:57:04,459 --> 00:57:09,841
It was impossible by car
because so many people would be arriving.
960
00:57:10,032 --> 00:57:13,261
I remember getting on that stage
and starting to cry
961
00:57:13,982 --> 00:57:16,685
from the excitement,
or rather the awe,
962
00:57:16,765 --> 00:57:20,645
of standing in front of
over 100,000 people.
963
00:57:23,725 --> 00:57:28,165
It's something that for a child,
maybe I was ten or eleven then,
964
00:57:28,765 --> 00:57:32,325
it really struck me,
and I sang the first two songs crying.
965
00:57:32,535 --> 00:57:35,015
PERUVIAN CORPORATION OF AIRPORTS
AND COMMERCIAL FLIGHT
966
00:57:36,242 --> 00:57:38,889
The biggest reception we had
was in Peru.
967
00:57:39,079 --> 00:57:41,673
"PARCHÍS FEVER" CAUSES DESTRUCTION
AND INJURY
968
00:57:41,797 --> 00:57:43,637
We arrived in Limaand the airport was overrun
969
00:57:43,737 --> 00:57:45,315
by a mass of fans who were waitingfor us.
970
00:57:45,415 --> 00:57:46,580
PARCHÍS CAUSES PATCHES
971
00:57:48,445 --> 00:57:52,085
Well, that was a flood of people.
It was incredible.
972
00:57:52,285 --> 00:57:55,885
I especially remember the day
they performed in Madison Square Garden,
973
00:57:56,045 --> 00:57:58,525
which was really full of people.
974
00:57:58,725 --> 00:58:01,125
Kisses, lots of kisses from Parchís
975
00:58:04,565 --> 00:58:06,725
We didn't play alone in the Madison.
976
00:58:06,885 --> 00:58:11,165
I remember there were other bands
like Los Chamos, from Venezuela,
977
00:58:11,245 --> 00:58:12,725
Luis Miguel was there...
978
00:58:12,885 --> 00:58:15,285
Going to New York,
climbing the Empire State Building,
979
00:58:15,405 --> 00:58:18,525
seeing the city
and then playing there,
980
00:58:18,685 --> 00:58:21,582
being one of the first,
or one of the few, Spaniards
981
00:58:21,682 --> 00:58:23,125
who have managed to perform there...
982
00:58:23,205 --> 00:58:24,845
It was always for the Latino audience,
983
00:58:25,045 --> 00:58:27,345
because we didn't cross over
to the English-speaking market,
984
00:58:27,445 --> 00:58:29,520
but it was a real landmark moment,
it's still important.
985
00:58:30,565 --> 00:58:34,605
This is America, America
986
00:58:37,342 --> 00:58:39,042
We devoured Menudo.
987
00:58:39,147 --> 00:58:40,547
PARCHÍS VS MENUDO
WHO IS BETTER?
988
00:58:40,667 --> 00:58:42,302
We devoured everyone.
989
00:58:42,452 --> 00:58:44,925
I mention Menudo
because they were our competition.
990
00:58:45,045 --> 00:58:47,132
We devoured the child entertainment world.
991
00:58:47,232 --> 00:58:48,447
NOT AFRAID OF THE COMPETITION
992
00:58:48,827 --> 00:58:51,532
We devoured consecrated performers.
993
00:58:51,725 --> 00:58:53,925
Success meant that
there was Parchís chewing gum,
994
00:58:54,085 --> 00:58:56,365
Parchís weekly comics,
995
00:58:56,445 --> 00:58:58,085
there were all sorts of things.
996
00:59:01,592 --> 00:59:05,509
Parchís were on every program.
Parchís were in every commercial.
997
00:59:05,707 --> 00:59:08,805
Before the TV test card,
there was Parchís.
998
00:59:08,956 --> 00:59:11,737
They were everywhere,
Parchís sold itself.
999
00:59:11,968 --> 00:59:15,966
At the beginning,
I worked for it to be a success,
1000
00:59:16,470 --> 00:59:19,354
not for it to be a social phenomenon.
1001
00:59:20,125 --> 00:59:22,035
And Parchís didn't have success.
1002
00:59:22,285 --> 00:59:24,440
Parchís was a social phenomenon.
1003
00:59:26,045 --> 00:59:32,005
It was a time in Mexico, and probably
in all of the Spanish-speaking world,
1004
00:59:32,165 --> 00:59:35,873
in which children's music
wasn't made by children.
1005
00:59:36,245 --> 00:59:39,685
We had adults
singing to children.
1006
00:59:40,965 --> 00:59:44,273
They were the first band
who represented us as a generation...
1007
00:59:44,447 --> 00:59:45,772
BENNY IBARRA
TIMBIRICHE
1008
00:59:45,902 --> 00:59:47,176
...as far as music is concerned.
1009
00:59:47,326 --> 00:59:50,325
It was very interesting.
Obviously it was very colorful,
1010
00:59:51,485 --> 00:59:55,045
it was well made,
it was an intelligent product.
1011
00:59:55,205 --> 00:59:59,917
Parchís' success has instigated
the appearance of many bands.
1012
01:00:00,122 --> 01:00:04,747
I'm told that in Spain,
at least 15 kids' bands have arisen
1013
01:00:04,897 --> 01:00:07,826
because they all think they will enjoy
Parchís' success.
1014
01:00:08,020 --> 01:00:10,900
I personally feel that sequels
have never been as good;
1015
01:00:11,150 --> 01:00:13,430
he who lands the first blow lands two,
1016
01:00:13,606 --> 01:00:16,365
Whether on a kids' level, Parchís,
or a teenage level, Menudo.
1017
01:00:16,588 --> 01:00:19,794
They'd say that all those bands
were disposable and fake.
1018
01:00:19,895 --> 01:00:21,219
LUIS DE LLANO
TV PRODUCER
1019
01:00:21,365 --> 01:00:25,325
And now they're the ones filling
national concert halls.
1020
01:00:25,405 --> 01:00:28,872
All the performers from the '80s,
whatever age they may have been,
1021
01:00:28,997 --> 01:00:30,845
are currently the important
artists in Mexico.
1022
01:00:31,229 --> 01:00:33,241
It's true that prospects improved.
1023
01:00:33,445 --> 01:00:37,083
And it's true that,
being motivated by our success,
1024
01:00:37,205 --> 01:00:40,005
new bands appeared,
such as Timbiriche.
1025
01:00:40,365 --> 01:00:44,165
Timbiriche was created by Televisa
to demolish Parchís.
1026
01:00:45,325 --> 01:00:48,085
Do you know what Timbiriche is?
1027
01:00:48,455 --> 01:00:50,397
Yes!
1028
01:00:50,565 --> 01:00:51,530
Well...
1029
01:00:51,630 --> 01:00:53,005
To us it's...
1030
01:00:53,165 --> 01:00:55,245
-A game!
-A dream!
1031
01:00:56,565 --> 01:00:57,885
A story!
1032
01:00:58,845 --> 01:01:01,299
Fortunately, Miguel Bosé took them
under his wing.
1033
01:01:01,645 --> 01:01:03,725
He started to make introductions.
1034
01:01:03,965 --> 01:01:07,765
And after a while,
Parchís returned to Mexico,
1035
01:01:08,045 --> 01:01:11,445
and we decided to do
a double gig, Parchís-Timbiriche.
1036
01:01:11,765 --> 01:01:14,645
And we decided it would be
in the Palacio de los Deportes.
1037
01:01:15,725 --> 01:01:16,885
DIEGO SCHOENING
TIMBIRICHE
1038
01:01:16,965 --> 01:01:18,645
You looked at the ticket and it said,
1039
01:01:18,725 --> 01:01:21,365
"Parchís", with that logo
like inflated balloons, huge...
1040
01:01:21,605 --> 01:01:24,165
"Timbiriche." Tiny...
1041
01:01:24,445 --> 01:01:27,525
This is America, America
1042
01:01:28,925 --> 01:01:30,205
Parchís comes out and...
1043
01:01:30,885 --> 01:01:33,765
Honestly... Look, I well up...
1044
01:01:34,085 --> 01:01:38,125
It was collapsing from the kids' screams.
1045
01:01:38,775 --> 01:01:42,504
America, America, America
1046
01:01:42,725 --> 01:01:43,725
Thank you!
1047
01:01:43,925 --> 01:01:46,805
And then,
"With all of you. Timbiriche!"
1048
01:01:48,525 --> 01:01:52,645
With all of you, Timbiriche singing
"La Vida es Mejor Cantando!"
1049
01:01:54,405 --> 01:01:56,525
And half way through the gig
it was like...
1050
01:01:56,605 --> 01:01:58,076
"With all of you, Parchís!"
1051
01:01:58,645 --> 01:01:59,931
"With all of you, Timbiriche!"
1052
01:02:04,774 --> 01:02:07,414
That was the moment when they said,
"Hang on...
1053
01:02:08,925 --> 01:02:13,725
We're going to have to start
separating this, because it's a monster."
1054
01:02:14,645 --> 01:02:17,685
See you soonTo the old and the young!
1055
01:02:18,325 --> 01:02:21,045
Friends of Parchís
1056
01:02:21,914 --> 01:02:25,350
And in the Parchís-Timbiriche gig,
something very weird happened.
1057
01:02:25,899 --> 01:02:28,388
I don't know if you guys
have been told about it.
1058
01:02:29,267 --> 01:02:33,129
Paulina Rubio fell
madly in love with David.
1059
01:02:34,725 --> 01:02:38,805
So, Paulina, who was kind of the leader
of Timbiriche,
1060
01:02:39,045 --> 01:02:43,285
forced constant meetings
between Parchís and Timbiriche
1061
01:02:43,445 --> 01:02:45,146
so she could see David.
1062
01:02:45,445 --> 01:02:48,991
Then suddenly, I liked one of the girls.
Paulina, that is.
1063
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:53,000
And I can assure you she wasn't
half as pretty as she is now.
1064
01:02:53,285 --> 01:02:55,885
And we had a relationship
based on friendship.
1065
01:02:55,965 --> 01:02:58,965
It was no longer the commitment
we'd had imposed upon us
1066
01:02:59,085 --> 01:03:02,194
to share a stage
or television shows.
1067
01:03:02,445 --> 01:03:05,165
We did want to meet up
when we had time off.
1068
01:03:05,485 --> 01:03:09,165
What do you think of the girls
from the band Parchís?
1069
01:03:10,845 --> 01:03:14,297
I remember always getting on
very well with Frank.
1070
01:03:14,623 --> 01:03:18,165
Tino was the eldest,
even older than us,
1071
01:03:18,245 --> 01:03:20,457
and there was
a great admiration for him.
1072
01:03:22,125 --> 01:03:25,845
Our house in Mexico was
two blocks from hers
1073
01:03:25,925 --> 01:03:28,685
so I'd go to see her
or she'd come...
1074
01:03:28,765 --> 01:03:33,245
And... Well... There was a sort of
an innocent relationship between two kids
1075
01:03:33,325 --> 01:03:35,685
who like each other
and who share a reality,
1076
01:03:35,765 --> 01:03:38,485
which is to be famous and that...
1077
01:03:38,765 --> 01:03:42,005
I'd make a joke in the Parchís era.
I'd say,
1078
01:03:42,085 --> 01:03:45,005
"If only Herod appeared again
and killed all the kids."
1079
01:03:45,165 --> 01:03:49,645
Because now all parents want to make
their kids famous and live off them
1080
01:03:49,805 --> 01:03:51,121
and milk the cow.
1081
01:03:52,445 --> 01:03:56,245
The thing with the fans and the madness
came more from the parents.
1082
01:03:57,165 --> 01:03:58,845
And oftentimes from the mothers.
1083
01:03:59,165 --> 01:04:00,351
I learned...
1084
01:04:01,045 --> 01:04:04,845
that when a woman goes up
to Julio Iglesias to get an autograph
1085
01:04:05,085 --> 01:04:06,885
and Julio Iglesias doesn't do it,
1086
01:04:07,685 --> 01:04:10,925
the woman turns away slightly irritated
and leaves.
1087
01:04:12,085 --> 01:04:15,165
But when a mother approaches
a member of Parchís,
1088
01:04:15,325 --> 01:04:18,765
asking for an autograph
for her son or daughter,
1089
01:04:19,405 --> 01:04:21,195
and Tino doesn't give her one,
1090
01:04:21,925 --> 01:04:25,075
the woman grabs Tino by the neck
and strangles him.
1091
01:04:25,450 --> 01:04:26,525
She assaults him.
1092
01:04:26,805 --> 01:04:30,523
And the problem is that all five
of them had to give it to you.
1093
01:04:33,405 --> 01:04:35,245
How did we resolve it?
1094
01:04:36,045 --> 01:04:38,805
"Here's your postcard, madam,
and please don't kill anybody."
1095
01:04:40,303 --> 01:04:43,846
Of course, people sometimes adapt
to the role they're given,
1096
01:04:44,315 --> 01:04:45,623
so...
1097
01:04:46,023 --> 01:04:49,410
they were very similar
to what people saw.
1098
01:04:56,045 --> 01:05:01,485
The projected image was pretty,
beautiful and pleasant,
1099
01:05:01,565 --> 01:05:03,965
while there was another part
that was less so.
1100
01:05:04,205 --> 01:05:06,880
But their personality was quite similar
1101
01:05:06,955 --> 01:05:10,565
to the personality that was sold
to the public.
1102
01:05:11,135 --> 01:05:13,390
It's Parchís' crazy beat
1103
01:05:13,535 --> 01:05:16,315
With five different kids
it wouldn't have been that successful.
1104
01:05:17,090 --> 01:05:19,570
Not because we were special,
but because
1105
01:05:19,655 --> 01:05:22,335
we were perfect fits
for the roles given to us.
1106
01:05:22,704 --> 01:05:25,862
It was coincidence that I had...
1107
01:05:26,205 --> 01:05:29,885
that part of the audience made up
of moms, grandmas, and the little girls,
1108
01:05:30,325 --> 01:05:31,875
David had the undecided,
1109
01:05:32,165 --> 01:05:34,285
Tino had the teenagers
and older girls...
1110
01:05:38,955 --> 01:05:40,755
and above all, there was a girl war.
1111
01:05:41,414 --> 01:05:45,784
Because as Yolanda was the pretty one,
the outgoing one, the exuberant one,
1112
01:05:45,850 --> 01:05:48,279
lots of girls backed Gemma.
1113
01:05:50,415 --> 01:05:52,607
There was an anti-Yolanda club.
1114
01:05:55,375 --> 01:05:59,024
The girls thought that Tino and I
were together,
1115
01:05:59,185 --> 01:06:01,285
or that Tino was after me.
And that meant competition.
1116
01:06:07,855 --> 01:06:11,419
When we introduced ourselves,
mostly in Latin America,
1117
01:06:11,655 --> 01:06:15,813
they'd introduced Gemma, and... "Yay!"
When they said Yolanda,
1118
01:06:15,935 --> 01:06:18,483
they booed me sometimes.
"I haven't done a thing.
1119
01:06:18,655 --> 01:06:22,360
I've just shown up,
why do you hate me so much?"
1120
01:06:22,575 --> 01:06:26,449
You see that people there
love you in a different way,
1121
01:06:27,015 --> 01:06:31,615
maybe because they found me...
more shy... I don't know why.
1122
01:06:33,883 --> 01:06:36,565
My favorite counter was Tino.
1123
01:06:37,537 --> 01:06:40,405
So I wanted to be Tino, to dress like him,
1124
01:06:40,695 --> 01:06:43,695
to see myself like him,
to have his looks.
1125
01:06:43,952 --> 01:06:45,745
I'll prove that I am the best
1126
01:06:46,815 --> 01:06:48,646
I've defeated everyone
1127
01:06:48,905 --> 01:06:52,993
Because that moment that everyone
has sky high bilirubin,
1128
01:06:53,118 --> 01:06:55,175
it's just natural,
everyone is the same there.
1129
01:06:55,455 --> 01:06:57,185
You find yourself in a position
1130
01:06:57,409 --> 01:07:00,910
in a position of constant worship...
1131
01:07:01,255 --> 01:07:02,710
It is like that.
1132
01:07:02,861 --> 01:07:05,005
So often you're told,
so often you're reminded,
1133
01:07:05,075 --> 01:07:08,004
and so often you perceive that feeling,
1134
01:07:08,220 --> 01:07:12,005
that you finally say,
"Well, I must have something in me!"
1135
01:07:12,464 --> 01:07:17,624
The discovery that, "I seduce,
I can, I'm liked, I'm admired..."
1136
01:07:17,980 --> 01:07:21,050
For these kids it was multiplied...
1137
01:07:22,215 --> 01:07:23,166
by a million,
1138
01:07:23,430 --> 01:07:25,350
because lots of people
were looking at them.
1139
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:30,095
Lots of people were looking,
not only with an attraction and a look of,
1140
01:07:30,145 --> 01:07:31,999
"You sing so well,
and dance so well," and such,
1141
01:07:32,099 --> 01:07:34,901
but, "I really like you, you're so pretty,
you're so handsome."
1142
01:07:35,290 --> 01:07:36,563
And that was contagious.
1143
01:07:39,340 --> 01:07:41,980
I might have been flirtatious,
but I was just a girl.
1144
01:07:43,310 --> 01:07:47,565
And yeah, there probably were
people who had...
1145
01:07:48,650 --> 01:07:49,609
had...
1146
01:07:51,372 --> 01:07:55,560
fantasies inappropriate for that age.
1147
01:07:55,729 --> 01:08:00,791
So, there was the kids' party,
usually in the garden,
1148
01:08:00,941 --> 01:08:04,824
and the grown-ups' party,
where there were substances that...
1149
01:08:04,999 --> 01:08:08,648
that weren't exactly gummy bears
or anything like that.
1150
01:08:09,009 --> 01:08:10,183
There was a bit of everything.
1151
01:08:10,489 --> 01:08:11,666
VICKY VIVES
TEACHER
1152
01:08:11,991 --> 01:08:16,630
At the parties, there were people
who were interested, of course.
1153
01:08:16,705 --> 01:08:19,809
The girls looked cute.
1154
01:08:20,035 --> 01:08:22,586
So, there were... flies around the honey.
1155
01:08:22,685 --> 01:08:28,323
So you had to make sure
that it didn't go any further.
1156
01:08:28,459 --> 01:08:32,228
For example, the protection
of my own cousin, Yolanda,
1157
01:08:32,546 --> 01:08:35,209
because she was a target
1158
01:08:35,368 --> 01:08:39,929
for many businessmen,
for many adult men.
1159
01:08:40,219 --> 01:08:42,849
I remember my mother would say,
"Be a bit careful.
1160
01:08:42,929 --> 01:08:45,499
Because you sit on someone's lap,
1161
01:08:46,049 --> 01:08:48,451
and that someone might get
the wrong idea." And I'd say,
1162
01:08:49,089 --> 01:08:51,961
"But how can they get the wrong idea?
I'm just a kid."
1163
01:08:52,649 --> 01:08:55,609
By sitting on their lap, I mean...
1164
01:08:56,163 --> 01:08:58,009
They had daughters almost my age!
1165
01:08:58,139 --> 01:09:00,538
I think she liked to be liked,
1166
01:09:00,889 --> 01:09:04,268
by the young and the old,
she liked to be liked,
1167
01:09:04,719 --> 01:09:09,100
but she was fifteen or sixteen,
1168
01:09:09,201 --> 01:09:12,618
she didn't want to be hassled.
1169
01:09:14,354 --> 01:09:17,057
Yolanda to me was...
1170
01:09:17,634 --> 01:09:21,634
beautiful, gorgeous. I fell in love
and lived in love with Yolanda
1171
01:09:21,859 --> 01:09:23,281
from the age of nine.
1172
01:09:23,594 --> 01:09:25,474
Yolanda has been the love of my life.
1173
01:09:28,049 --> 01:09:30,889
But I was also very aware
of the fact that Yolanda...
1174
01:09:32,104 --> 01:09:36,993
was growing and she had her suitors
and there's nothing you can do about that.
1175
01:09:37,154 --> 01:09:39,594
You'll never guess who I ran into
in line at the theater!
1176
01:09:46,734 --> 01:09:50,210
I think he loved me a lot
and maybe I hurt him.
1177
01:09:51,974 --> 01:09:55,890
Not intentionally,
but because I was...
1178
01:09:55,982 --> 01:09:58,781
Just that, someone else would come along,
and he was very young
1179
01:09:58,831 --> 01:10:02,850
and liked Argenis from Los Chamos
or I liked someone else and...
1180
01:10:03,059 --> 01:10:05,539
I'd become their girlfriend
for that tour or those days.
1181
01:10:06,499 --> 01:10:07,497
Gorgeous!
1182
01:10:08,824 --> 01:10:11,314
Off limits for minors, kid.
1183
01:10:11,834 --> 01:10:14,370
I mean, I wouldn't mind
getting to know her.
1184
01:10:14,470 --> 01:10:15,694
And get to know her you will.
1185
01:10:15,819 --> 01:10:18,263
Tino was by far the one
who picked up the most girls.
1186
01:10:18,484 --> 01:10:20,764
Also, he was the eldest,
1187
01:10:20,869 --> 01:10:24,869
I mean he had a...
His relationships weren't so much about...
1188
01:10:25,049 --> 01:10:26,360
sharing a couple of kisses.
1189
01:10:26,499 --> 01:10:29,179
Tino wasn't supposed to smoke,
but he smoked.
1190
01:10:29,359 --> 01:10:30,657
He sometimes drank...
1191
01:10:30,761 --> 01:10:33,409
In truth, fortunately,
he didn't really like alcohol.
1192
01:10:34,169 --> 01:10:36,981
He had sex at a very young age.
1193
01:10:38,614 --> 01:10:42,734
In a gratuitous way, to put it one way.
1194
01:10:42,889 --> 01:10:44,970
So of course, he was living a life...
1195
01:10:45,404 --> 01:10:49,364
similar to Justin Timberlake
when he started at eighteen,
1196
01:10:49,569 --> 01:10:51,352
not to a kid of that age.
1197
01:10:51,713 --> 01:10:54,753
And that had been motivated
by the people surrounding him.
1198
01:10:55,129 --> 01:10:58,969
As far as I know, Tino's father once
1199
01:10:59,049 --> 01:11:03,840
told him if he kept misbehaving,
he'd throw him out of the house,
1200
01:11:04,065 --> 01:11:06,714
and he said,
"But I paid for this house."
1201
01:11:07,534 --> 01:11:10,009
Tino, the contest is very easy,
1202
01:11:10,089 --> 01:11:13,529
you ask me if I want to go out with you
and I respond that I do.
1203
01:11:13,689 --> 01:11:16,407
-And we've won, sweetie.
-No.
1204
01:11:16,979 --> 01:11:20,299
Most of the brief relationships I've had,
1205
01:11:21,449 --> 01:11:25,449
needed to have more
than "the heat of the moment."
1206
01:11:25,889 --> 01:11:28,289
So let's start with the questions.
1207
01:11:28,369 --> 01:11:31,347
I'm going to ask my first friend
her first question:
1208
01:11:31,616 --> 01:11:32,791
What color eyes do you have?
1209
01:11:33,499 --> 01:11:36,459
I have green eyes.
1210
01:11:36,739 --> 01:11:39,819
-Green?
-Yes, and I hope you really like them.
1211
01:11:39,974 --> 01:11:41,609
Well, yes, I really like them.
1212
01:11:42,889 --> 01:11:46,409
He'd sometimes boast
about his great conquests,
1213
01:11:46,844 --> 01:11:49,604
but he always...
1214
01:11:50,009 --> 01:11:53,406
A lot of women liked him.
And a lot of older women liked him.
1215
01:11:54,804 --> 01:11:56,444
He didn't go looking for them.
1216
01:11:56,649 --> 01:12:00,527
Well, maybe if he especially liked someone
in particular, he'd go for her,
1217
01:12:00,821 --> 01:12:06,409
but I recollect
women creeping into his bedroom.
1218
01:12:06,489 --> 01:12:09,267
I mean, they'd go into the bedroom
and hide in the wardrobe.
1219
01:12:12,949 --> 01:12:15,549
All set to do whatever he wanted.
1220
01:12:17,144 --> 01:12:20,078
I wasn't close, but I kept my eye on them.
1221
01:12:21,354 --> 01:12:23,354
You know? I couldn't allow...
1222
01:12:24,694 --> 01:12:29,645
in Parchís' house, for Tino to have
an amorous relationship with a mother.
1223
01:12:31,009 --> 01:12:33,730
Aside from it being the death
of the business,
1224
01:12:34,689 --> 01:12:36,769
we'd all go to jail.
1225
01:12:39,849 --> 01:12:43,968
In the most auspicious momentsthey'd hire a chalet.
1226
01:12:44,769 --> 01:12:46,809
In Mexico, for example,in the Pedregal area,
1227
01:12:46,889 --> 01:12:51,032
there were three ladies therewho looked after us.
1228
01:12:51,654 --> 01:12:54,522
From an operational standpoint,
1229
01:12:54,697 --> 01:12:58,017
for adults and elders
it would be less practical,
1230
01:12:58,274 --> 01:13:00,794
but for us it was a lot more comfortable.
1231
01:13:03,254 --> 01:13:06,934
One day they're like,
"We're going to show you the house,"
1232
01:13:07,329 --> 01:13:10,209
we see the house,
the house was really big...
1233
01:13:11,083 --> 01:13:15,909
and the moment arrived
and I asked, "And my room?"
1234
01:13:16,444 --> 01:13:19,644
And the answer was,
"There's no room for you here."
1235
01:13:21,339 --> 01:13:25,459
I was being separated from my duty,
from my responsibility.
1236
01:13:25,930 --> 01:13:30,689
I think that there was a...
power struggle
1237
01:13:31,169 --> 01:13:34,701
between the manager,
who at that time was Berlanga,
1238
01:13:36,169 --> 01:13:40,207
the record label
and their representative, and the parents.
1239
01:13:40,947 --> 01:13:43,129
And I think Berlanga was playing his hand
1240
01:13:43,209 --> 01:13:45,630
because he saw that Parchís
had a real future.
1241
01:13:45,954 --> 01:13:49,300
I think Parchís had a real future
and they generated a lot of money.
1242
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:54,673
Well, we carried on our activities,
our work, the shows and so on,
1243
01:13:55,312 --> 01:13:59,489
but there was an increasing
hold up with payments.
1244
01:13:59,849 --> 01:14:02,772
I was probably Parchís'
most fun adventure.
1245
01:14:03,179 --> 01:14:04,699
But I wasn't...
1246
01:14:05,594 --> 01:14:09,314
The big money came from the movies.
I wasn't Bermúdez de Castro,
1247
01:14:09,444 --> 01:14:11,117
I didn't make any movies.
1248
01:14:11,314 --> 01:14:14,114
I had nothing to do
with the records either.
1249
01:14:14,354 --> 01:14:15,554
We were in the dressing room,
1250
01:14:15,929 --> 01:14:19,449
and I asked
when I was going to get paid.
1251
01:14:20,184 --> 01:14:24,424
He said no, that he couldn't,
or maybe later on or whatever,
1252
01:14:24,914 --> 01:14:28,194
and that's when I got serious.
1253
01:14:29,019 --> 01:14:34,534
I said, "If I don't get paid,
the kids don't sing today."
1254
01:14:35,487 --> 01:14:39,129
There was an upheaval
and the kids went out to perform,
1255
01:14:39,209 --> 01:14:43,537
amongst other things because
they, the band, the team,
1256
01:14:43,619 --> 01:14:45,899
said they would,
1257
01:14:46,509 --> 01:14:50,109
and my authority meant nothing.
1258
01:14:51,202 --> 01:14:52,399
I went back to the hotel,
1259
01:14:53,082 --> 01:14:57,424
and I was told that someone
had been looking for me.
1260
01:14:58,154 --> 01:15:01,914
They suggested
it might be better to leave the hotel.
1261
01:15:02,349 --> 01:15:05,767
Something weird happened.
I didn't really know,
1262
01:15:05,870 --> 01:15:07,754
but there was a very tense situation,
1263
01:15:08,419 --> 01:15:11,649
nobody knew what was going on,
at night... I don't know.
1264
01:15:11,969 --> 01:15:15,026
He was in a hotel
called Presidente Chapultepec,
1265
01:15:15,409 --> 01:15:17,969
and he asked me to go up
to his room to get his bag,
1266
01:15:18,099 --> 01:15:21,132
because he was afraid there might be
someone there to shoot him.
1267
01:15:22,129 --> 01:15:23,609
They called me...
1268
01:15:24,149 --> 01:15:27,506
from Discos Belter
telling me to return to Barcelona.
1269
01:15:29,504 --> 01:15:31,384
I explained everything
that had happened
1270
01:15:32,239 --> 01:15:34,007
and then...
1271
01:15:35,009 --> 01:15:36,729
I was told that...
1272
01:15:37,569 --> 01:15:43,817
that I hadn't been, let's say,
honest with the kids.
1273
01:15:44,854 --> 01:15:48,454
That I had duped them,
and this, that and the other,
1274
01:15:48,659 --> 01:15:53,419
and that I'd better hand in
my resignation.
1275
01:15:54,294 --> 01:15:55,270
And...
1276
01:16:03,229 --> 01:16:05,191
And on the second tour Janer disappeared.
1277
01:16:06,174 --> 01:16:09,574
I don't even know
who was stealing from whom,
1278
01:16:11,704 --> 01:16:15,591
how often and in what way,
but it's...
1279
01:16:16,359 --> 01:16:20,344
It seemed almost like...
like out of a nightmare,
1280
01:16:20,989 --> 01:16:22,454
because...
1281
01:16:22,759 --> 01:16:26,199
you didn't know who the good guys were
and who the bad guys were.
1282
01:16:26,444 --> 01:16:30,203
Now we know our money
winds up in that dirty investor's bank.
1283
01:16:30,729 --> 01:16:34,249
What really bothers me is that he kept
everything we made on the TV program.
1284
01:16:34,454 --> 01:16:38,075
Yes, they'd made a lot of money,
this tour here, that tour there...
1285
01:16:38,150 --> 01:16:40,525
CARMEN TERÉS - FRANK'S MOTHER
MATEO DÍAZ - FRANK'S FATHER
1286
01:16:40,596 --> 01:16:43,340
And then came expenses:
hotels, travel, personal expenses...
1287
01:16:45,099 --> 01:16:49,699
Belter's share, the manager's share,
the other guy's part.
1288
01:16:50,169 --> 01:16:52,969
A sort of mini-corporation is created.
1289
01:16:53,209 --> 01:16:55,529
A mini-corporation in which Belter...
1290
01:16:55,655 --> 01:16:57,257
PLATINUM RECORD FOR PARCHÍS
1291
01:16:57,406 --> 01:17:00,049
...necessarily but unduly,
from my perspective,
1292
01:17:00,193 --> 01:17:06,734
also becomes the band's manager,
obviously with the parents' consent.
1293
01:17:06,999 --> 01:17:12,277
A relationship with the parents
that, if I remember correctly, was 70-30.
1294
01:17:12,919 --> 01:17:16,599
And yeah, Parchís, on one tour,
made 10,000 dollars per show,
1295
01:17:16,719 --> 01:17:21,319
but when the peso was devalued,
they made 2,500 per show.
1296
01:17:21,684 --> 01:17:23,357
So when you do a tour in which...
1297
01:17:23,674 --> 01:17:26,962
the whole tour
leaves you with 200,000 dollars,
1298
01:17:27,169 --> 01:17:29,329
and out of that 200,000 dollars,
1299
01:17:30,929 --> 01:17:33,449
140,000 goes to Discos Belter
1300
01:17:33,809 --> 01:17:37,129
and 60,000 gets split
between five families,
1301
01:17:37,209 --> 01:17:40,355
that's only 12,000 dollars per family.
1302
01:17:40,755 --> 01:17:42,180
Come on, you're not David Bowie,
1303
01:17:42,694 --> 01:17:45,928
you're not Eric Clapton,
you're not the Rolling Stones.
1304
01:17:47,254 --> 01:17:51,054
But the idiot who was managing you
in Mexico put you on a private jet,
1305
01:17:51,409 --> 01:17:54,229
okay, sue him for psychological damage.
1306
01:17:54,939 --> 01:17:56,013
It's my fault.
1307
01:17:56,574 --> 01:18:00,497
The first time we were paid
a commission for records
1308
01:18:00,989 --> 01:18:05,389
it was 100,000 pesetas per head,
each child.
1309
01:18:05,749 --> 01:18:09,084
I think that the label
that owned the rights,
1310
01:18:09,519 --> 01:18:13,199
say Musart in Mexico,
Discos América in Peru,
1311
01:18:13,659 --> 01:18:18,156
would tell Disco Belter
they'd sold 100,000,
1312
01:18:18,710 --> 01:18:20,495
and maybe they'd sold a million copies.
1313
01:18:21,424 --> 01:18:23,544
From abroad, nothing.
1314
01:18:23,749 --> 01:18:25,909
We'd always say, "Well, and this..."
1315
01:18:26,214 --> 01:18:30,254
And they said, "We're missing figures
from here and from there,
1316
01:18:30,584 --> 01:18:33,590
we have to get the numbers straight,
we have to this and that..."
1317
01:18:34,559 --> 01:18:39,279
And we were never paid
anything else for records.
1318
01:18:39,544 --> 01:18:41,424
So, viewed from their perspective,
1319
01:18:41,634 --> 01:18:44,205
you think, "With all the sacrifices
I've made,
1320
01:18:44,639 --> 01:18:46,515
I've ruined my childhood,"
1321
01:18:47,299 --> 01:18:48,990
because they ruined their childhoods.
1322
01:18:49,519 --> 01:18:52,885
"With all the work I've done,
and the sacrifices from that,
1323
01:18:53,369 --> 01:18:54,707
I've only made this?
1324
01:18:55,669 --> 01:18:58,332
I've been ripped off, I've been robbed."
1325
01:18:59,834 --> 01:19:03,594
Frank asked me:
"Did you ever have a contract
1326
01:19:03,923 --> 01:19:05,949
where it said 2,000 dollars,
1327
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:10,374
and you were paid 3,000,
but you made them write 2,000?"
1328
01:19:13,134 --> 01:19:14,468
Never ever.
1329
01:19:15,139 --> 01:19:16,459
Never ever.
1330
01:19:18,119 --> 01:19:20,801
I'm talking about those famous
600-million pesetas
1331
01:19:21,789 --> 01:19:26,144
that, when Ignacio Janer
was kicked out of the record label,
1332
01:19:26,277 --> 01:19:30,104
I thought or I'd heard or I'd imagined,
1333
01:19:30,609 --> 01:19:32,046
he'd supposedly stolen.
1334
01:19:32,683 --> 01:19:39,489
I think that was a setup
by management, or I'm not sure whom,
1335
01:19:39,984 --> 01:19:42,824
but as soon as money came in,
it disappeared.
1336
01:19:43,129 --> 01:19:45,747
What I do know
is that they generated a lot of money.
1337
01:19:46,044 --> 01:19:47,187
A lot of money.
1338
01:19:47,759 --> 01:19:50,159
And that money wound up somewhere.
1339
01:19:51,234 --> 01:19:55,844
I don't think it was that guy or any other
in particular; it was the sum of many,
1340
01:19:56,164 --> 01:19:57,935
the sum of lots of these things,
1341
01:19:58,034 --> 01:20:02,994
but we're in a world
where that happens a lot.
1342
01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:04,519
That is...
1343
01:20:05,034 --> 01:20:08,194
I think I directed twelve films
and I still don't know what they cost.
1344
01:20:08,654 --> 01:20:13,254
I think for the families,
I guess it got to a point
1345
01:20:13,409 --> 01:20:16,521
where their kids
could make a lot of money,
1346
01:20:16,769 --> 01:20:21,778
and they never considered
if it was too much pressure for them,
1347
01:20:22,074 --> 01:20:27,034
if all those months away from their homes
and their families could harm them.
1348
01:20:27,186 --> 01:20:29,011
But it was their fault.
1349
01:20:30,624 --> 01:20:31,744
And that's that.
1350
01:20:32,014 --> 01:20:37,254
Then, sure, a very bad record label,
some evil men, some exploiters,
1351
01:20:37,384 --> 01:20:38,996
whatever, but they're your kids.
1352
01:20:40,374 --> 01:20:41,734
There's no excuse.
1353
01:20:42,609 --> 01:20:45,609
We were also...
Look, a surprise like that,
1354
01:20:45,689 --> 01:20:49,537
from one day to the next your child is
picked up by such a famous band,
1355
01:20:49,849 --> 01:20:54,417
of course, the last thing
we were thinking about was money.
1356
01:20:54,667 --> 01:20:55,929
We weren't going to argue.
1357
01:20:56,049 --> 01:21:01,772
To get on track, he should have asked
work for some time off
1358
01:21:01,879 --> 01:21:04,279
to see how everything was going,
to see the accounts...
1359
01:21:04,434 --> 01:21:06,652
He didn't bother.
The others didn't bother either...
1360
01:21:06,754 --> 01:21:08,554
-I had a lot of work.
-Nobody bothered.
1361
01:21:08,779 --> 01:21:11,979
And then the final, final conflict,
1362
01:21:12,429 --> 01:21:16,744
came when...
there was an offer for the kids.
1363
01:21:17,674 --> 01:21:20,797
A contract appeared from Disneyland,
the people from Disney,
1364
01:21:21,692 --> 01:21:25,264
from Parker board games and from Atari.
1365
01:21:25,607 --> 01:21:27,457
These people came with a proposal.
1366
01:21:27,634 --> 01:21:30,954
What they wanted
was to take Parchís and...
1367
01:21:31,910 --> 01:21:33,664
give it a Yankee twist, if you get me.
1368
01:21:33,935 --> 01:21:36,544
And we'll fulfill
the Latin American dream, right?
1369
01:21:36,649 --> 01:21:39,689
The Latino kids who end up making it
1370
01:21:39,769 --> 01:21:43,168
will be on the stage at Disneyland
or Disney World or whatever.
1371
01:21:44,139 --> 01:21:46,292
They got us really excited
about the project.
1372
01:21:47,114 --> 01:21:48,514
It was...
1373
01:21:48,949 --> 01:21:51,789
the best really is yet to come.
1374
01:21:52,234 --> 01:21:54,274
A beautiful world
1375
01:21:54,379 --> 01:21:56,179
You were able to build
1376
01:21:56,284 --> 01:21:58,623
The Disney project had a problem:
1377
01:21:59,249 --> 01:22:03,849
The kids, the five kids, had to go
and live in the USA for a year
1378
01:22:04,019 --> 01:22:04,939
with no pay.
1379
01:22:05,739 --> 01:22:09,619
And they were going to get them
English and singing and dance teachers
1380
01:22:09,999 --> 01:22:11,239
to make them professional.
1381
01:22:12,344 --> 01:22:14,144
How many dreams
1382
01:22:14,374 --> 01:22:16,142
You took flight
1383
01:22:17,024 --> 01:22:18,942
My parents discussed it with Joaquín,
1384
01:22:19,017 --> 01:22:22,049
so it wasn't just within Parchís,
but within the family,
1385
01:22:22,129 --> 01:22:23,487
especially at that time.
1386
01:22:23,588 --> 01:22:27,462
Joaquín was who we consulted
to see if this could be a good thing.
1387
01:22:27,754 --> 01:22:30,917
And as things stood,
in view of what appeared in the future,
1388
01:22:31,044 --> 01:22:33,084
and as the parents weren't going
to give up
1389
01:22:33,229 --> 01:22:34,815
on their kids continuing to perform,
1390
01:22:35,304 --> 01:22:37,384
it seemed like a very good option.
1391
01:22:38,815 --> 01:22:40,982
Living with joy
1392
01:22:41,224 --> 01:22:43,464
And the kids
more or less agreed, too.
1393
01:22:43,864 --> 01:22:48,122
But the record label wasn't involved,
they missed out.
1394
01:22:48,329 --> 01:22:52,022
Everything is possibleHere in Disney World
1395
01:22:52,209 --> 01:22:57,309
Rudy Ventura and I went
to Mexico, we spoke to them,
1396
01:22:57,689 --> 01:23:01,827
they explained the contract,
all about the conditions...
1397
01:23:02,409 --> 01:23:05,282
One of their conditions,
according to Jorge,
1398
01:23:05,429 --> 01:23:07,257
was that there had to be all five of us,
1399
01:23:07,994 --> 01:23:10,754
because we wouldn't be able
to keep the name if there wasn't.
1400
01:23:10,984 --> 01:23:13,424
Belter obviously wouldn't want that.
1401
01:23:13,529 --> 01:23:15,542
This was being done in secret.
1402
01:23:17,289 --> 01:23:19,207
Well, not all the parents agreed.
1403
01:23:20,009 --> 01:23:22,702
For instance, legal doubts appeared;
1404
01:23:22,984 --> 01:23:25,329
"Can we break the contract
with the label?"
1405
01:23:26,224 --> 01:23:27,064
Just an example.
1406
01:23:27,474 --> 01:23:31,634
I think it all happened very fast
and someone mouthed off.
1407
01:23:32,989 --> 01:23:36,599
I came back to Spain
to meet up with the five families,
1408
01:23:36,754 --> 01:23:38,902
who were all very decent and charming,
1409
01:23:39,264 --> 01:23:43,504
and four of the families
accepted the Disney project,
1410
01:23:43,584 --> 01:23:44,664
but one didn't.
1411
01:23:45,339 --> 01:23:50,874
And when we got back to Spain,
we were met with a huge surprise,
1412
01:23:52,129 --> 01:23:58,104
which was that Belter
had stolen Tino.
1413
01:23:59,254 --> 01:24:02,694
There had been a conspiracy,
1414
01:24:03,184 --> 01:24:07,832
something working against someone,
who, for better or worse,
1415
01:24:08,449 --> 01:24:11,369
had been with us for four
or five years of our career
1416
01:24:11,449 --> 01:24:13,889
and who was the only
valid reference we had,
1417
01:24:13,969 --> 01:24:17,082
because what we had accomplished,
we'd accomplished with them,
1418
01:24:17,374 --> 01:24:18,332
with Belter.
1419
01:24:19,363 --> 01:24:24,163
So when we got back,
we spoke to Tino's father;
1420
01:24:25,194 --> 01:24:28,834
"How can this be?
Do you know what you've done?
1421
01:24:29,289 --> 01:24:31,569
You've destroyed the success
1422
01:24:31,699 --> 01:24:33,899
and everything that Parchís
has done until now,
1423
01:24:34,129 --> 01:24:35,962
you've just destroyed it with this."
1424
01:24:36,349 --> 01:24:39,669
We were at a point
where I was sixteen,
1425
01:24:40,254 --> 01:24:44,934
and I was starting to feel a bit oppressed
1426
01:24:45,614 --> 01:24:47,894
in the red Parchís dungarees.
1427
01:24:48,349 --> 01:24:52,342
And I wanted to express things in music
1428
01:24:52,674 --> 01:24:57,012
other than the red train that's heading
to the little house in Canada.
1429
01:24:57,419 --> 01:24:59,007
And when Tino left,
1430
01:24:59,599 --> 01:25:02,959
if the financial problem
was already bad,
1431
01:25:03,169 --> 01:25:05,687
because of Parchís' situation in Mexico,
1432
01:25:06,809 --> 01:25:09,097
it was the end of Parchís
in Latin America.
1433
01:25:11,609 --> 01:25:13,049
The band had a life cycle.
1434
01:25:13,147 --> 01:25:15,334
You never knew if the cycle
was two years long or twenty.
1435
01:25:15,593 --> 01:25:17,193
But every band has a cycle.
1436
01:25:17,414 --> 01:25:21,997
I think that we were made the offer
when we were already in decline.
1437
01:25:22,514 --> 01:25:25,674
I don't know if that would have been
a sink to bounce back from,
1438
01:25:25,747 --> 01:25:27,954
or if we'd really have sunk
to the bottom.
1439
01:25:29,854 --> 01:25:32,282
The last film,
Parchís Takes Action,
1440
01:25:33,864 --> 01:25:36,075
we filmed it with him,
but we weren't speaking to Tino,
1441
01:25:36,859 --> 01:25:39,352
because we thought
that he had betrayed us.
1442
01:25:39,899 --> 01:25:41,219
That is, he left us...
1443
01:25:43,729 --> 01:25:44,609
hanging.
1444
01:25:52,984 --> 01:25:56,624
"Okay, cut!" And we'd go our way
and Tino would go his way.
1445
01:25:56,779 --> 01:26:01,729
And throughout that month of filming
we led completely separate lives.
1446
01:26:02,134 --> 01:26:06,494
And I know, because if I'd been dressed
in blue or as a dice,
1447
01:26:07,004 --> 01:26:11,124
I'd have been seriously pissed off
with everyone and I'd have felt like crap.
1448
01:26:11,429 --> 01:26:15,749
And I probably would have held
a grudge this whole time, I don't know.
1449
01:26:16,194 --> 01:26:19,354
But I'd have been pissed off
at that moment, for sure.
1450
01:26:21,869 --> 01:26:25,117
But what happened to me?
I grew up before them, that's all.
1451
01:26:26,259 --> 01:26:29,082
And this is the spectacular night with...
1452
01:26:29,544 --> 01:26:30,544
Tino!
1453
01:26:35,449 --> 01:26:38,809
There are many questions
to get to know this singer.
1454
01:26:38,919 --> 01:26:43,557
There are many questions to get to know
this idol of the Latin American youth.
1455
01:26:44,595 --> 01:26:47,637
With courage, talk to me
1456
01:26:47,889 --> 01:26:50,089
In truth the first recordwent well.
1457
01:26:50,244 --> 01:26:53,917
There were lots of people in the audiencewho, like myself, had grown up,
1458
01:26:54,029 --> 01:26:57,709
and the first record went goldin Mexico and also Argentina.
1459
01:26:57,889 --> 01:27:00,403
Don't be afraidLet me love you
1460
01:27:00,889 --> 01:27:04,409
Let me hold youLet me feel you
1461
01:27:04,764 --> 01:27:07,364
My whole artistic period
of four or five years
1462
01:27:07,704 --> 01:27:10,064
I'd been accompanied by them,
and suddenly...
1463
01:27:10,331 --> 01:27:14,387
I perfectly remember
the first feeling in a TV studio.
1464
01:27:14,714 --> 01:27:18,912
I look left and right
and, hell, it scared me because...
1465
01:27:19,294 --> 01:27:20,654
they weren't there.
1466
01:27:23,579 --> 01:27:27,355
Do you consider yourself a sex symbol?
You, along with Luis Miguel or Menudo.
1467
01:27:28,074 --> 01:27:31,914
Well, on a personal level,
I don't consider myself a sex symbol.
1468
01:27:32,079 --> 01:27:33,577
Thing is... I don't know,
1469
01:27:34,204 --> 01:27:37,444
if people want me to come here
to sing, I'll come here to sing.
1470
01:27:37,549 --> 01:27:40,549
And if people want me
to keep working, I'll keep working,
1471
01:27:40,729 --> 01:27:42,365
but not as a sex symbol, but...
1472
01:27:42,449 --> 01:27:44,995
as a friend to all of you
who loves you very much, that's all.
1473
01:27:45,264 --> 01:27:46,744
How lovely. Isn't he divine?
1474
01:27:47,134 --> 01:27:49,454
I don't think it benefitted any of them.
1475
01:27:50,284 --> 01:27:54,123
And both sides,
despite Parchís continuing
1476
01:27:54,579 --> 01:27:56,979
for a while making records with Chus,
1477
01:27:57,329 --> 01:28:00,289
the magic has been lost.
1478
01:28:00,379 --> 01:28:02,254
But Chus also did a great job.
1479
01:28:04,049 --> 01:28:09,409
I want Sunday to arriveYou also await it with glee
1480
01:28:10,487 --> 01:28:13,107
Chus was very valid
on a music level,
1481
01:28:13,849 --> 01:28:15,517
on a dance level,
1482
01:28:15,924 --> 01:28:19,604
but I think what happened is
that he felt a little...
1483
01:28:22,249 --> 01:28:23,609
He had it hard.
1484
01:28:24,169 --> 01:28:29,542
We'll have a nice drinkWell made with ice and gin
1485
01:28:29,592 --> 01:28:32,049
They had the idea
of doing something more juvenile,
1486
01:28:32,129 --> 01:28:33,782
because the songs were different,
1487
01:28:33,844 --> 01:28:36,524
they spoke about adolescence,
about dating...
1488
01:28:36,664 --> 01:28:38,944
But it wasn't the same.
1489
01:28:39,764 --> 01:28:43,324
We'll share a cigarette
1490
01:28:44,534 --> 01:28:51,289
All the production, all that care
was for Tino's solo album.
1491
01:28:53,393 --> 01:28:56,913
And we were like, "Well, until it ends."
1492
01:28:57,334 --> 01:28:59,814
Okay, take off your masks
let's start rehearsal.
1493
01:29:00,909 --> 01:29:02,829
-Hey, a bone!
-Forget about bones!
1494
01:29:02,959 --> 01:29:04,610
Let's start rehearsing,
we've got a show.
1495
01:29:07,969 --> 01:29:13,289
Then when I saw that things...
I saw a decline.
1496
01:29:13,559 --> 01:29:16,541
I want to see smiles,
I want to see strong steps, all right?
1497
01:29:16,616 --> 01:29:17,625
It's only a rehearsal.
1498
01:29:17,748 --> 01:29:19,969
Strong steps, smiling.
1499
01:29:20,049 --> 01:29:23,020
As if you were in front of 10,000 people.
1500
01:29:23,125 --> 01:29:24,409
-Shut up!
-No...
1501
01:29:24,489 --> 01:29:26,965
No way! As if you were in front
of 10,000 people.
1502
01:29:27,299 --> 01:29:29,857
They were grumpy too because,
1503
01:29:30,144 --> 01:29:34,264
"We no longer go here or there,"
or "We don't do what we used to,"
1504
01:29:34,569 --> 01:29:39,447
or "Before you'd open the fridge,
there'd be this and that, not anymore."
1505
01:29:39,558 --> 01:29:42,718
And they started to see,
and people started saying,
1506
01:29:42,899 --> 01:29:45,701
that their label, Belter,
wasn't doing too well,
1507
01:29:46,064 --> 01:29:47,717
I think it folded shortly after.
1508
01:29:47,817 --> 01:29:49,167
DISCOS BELTER SUSPENDS PAYMENTS
1509
01:29:49,289 --> 01:29:50,593
Better, when it folded...
1510
01:29:50,714 --> 01:29:54,034
I'll always say
that it was a fraudulent bankruptcy,
1511
01:29:54,259 --> 01:29:57,979
although they made it look
like a suspension of payment.
1512
01:29:58,309 --> 01:30:02,748
It was a bankruptcy that should have seen
half of the management go to prison.
1513
01:30:03,019 --> 01:30:07,419
I think it's hard to justify:
A company with a twenty-odd-year history,
1514
01:30:07,649 --> 01:30:10,375
that four years before closing
makes its highest earnings,
1515
01:30:10,504 --> 01:30:13,800
and four years later,
it closes because there's no money.
1516
01:30:14,179 --> 01:30:15,875
Where did all that money go?
1517
01:30:20,219 --> 01:30:22,419
I'll buy you dinner
1518
01:30:24,369 --> 01:30:28,002
I want us to talkI'll buy you dinner
1519
01:30:28,449 --> 01:30:31,329
But that coincided,
after the second one,
1520
01:30:32,194 --> 01:30:34,434
with Belter closing,
they were going bust...
1521
01:30:34,934 --> 01:30:38,974
due to their wise... scheming.
1522
01:30:42,777 --> 01:30:48,360
And this on top of the fact
that I turned 18 and had to line up.
1523
01:30:48,885 --> 01:30:52,305
I had to do military service
like every other kid, a year,
1524
01:30:52,688 --> 01:30:53,780
in Zaragoza.
1525
01:30:54,404 --> 01:30:58,228
That's what cut short what could have been
a music career as a solo artist.
1526
01:30:58,966 --> 01:31:02,944
The first record went well,
the second held its own,
1527
01:31:03,103 --> 01:31:06,619
and the third...
was a complete flop, definitely.
1528
01:31:10,299 --> 01:31:14,432
So the time comes that I have to decide
whether to study or sing.
1529
01:31:14,779 --> 01:31:17,059
So I decided to study.
1530
01:31:17,712 --> 01:31:21,230
And I remember that instead of the head
of the label being the one to say,
1531
01:31:21,359 --> 01:31:22,439
"Are you sure?"
1532
01:31:22,644 --> 01:31:24,660
it was one of the parents
who said, "Are you sure?"
1533
01:31:25,829 --> 01:31:28,307
So, understand? They...
1534
01:31:28,584 --> 01:31:31,380
This goes to show who was
on the other end of the table.
1535
01:31:32,319 --> 01:31:33,455
Sometimes we weren't...
1536
01:31:34,114 --> 01:31:36,594
Sometimes it was us who were
at the other end of the table.
1537
01:31:36,974 --> 01:31:38,814
But it could have continued.
1538
01:31:39,174 --> 01:31:40,334
I think it could have.
1539
01:31:40,699 --> 01:31:44,819
With intent, with support and with...
We could have happily continued.
1540
01:31:45,314 --> 01:31:48,772
But when David left,
it was too many changes.
1541
01:31:49,339 --> 01:31:51,219
I mean, with Chus
we could have carried on,
1542
01:31:51,809 --> 01:31:53,017
but when David left...
1543
01:31:54,134 --> 01:31:56,637
Michel... I don't think Michel
was a good match.
1544
01:31:57,614 --> 01:32:00,094
Michel didn't match at all.
1545
01:32:01,827 --> 01:32:03,929
-Why?
-Because he was like...
1546
01:32:04,009 --> 01:32:05,777
Big Bird on Sesame Street.
1547
01:32:05,884 --> 01:32:08,324
He was a meter taller
than the rest of us.
1548
01:32:08,819 --> 01:32:11,619
But finally at fifteen
I got tired of it,
1549
01:32:11,999 --> 01:32:14,317
I wanted to be someone anonymous,
1550
01:32:14,579 --> 01:32:18,619
I wanted to get back to normal,
and that lifestyle, for me...
1551
01:32:18,844 --> 01:32:20,567
I didn't like it anymore.
1552
01:32:21,764 --> 01:32:25,732
The record label closed.
I think we were in... maybe in Mexico,
1553
01:32:27,279 --> 01:32:31,119
and when we got back, the label
had folded and we... That was it.
1554
01:32:31,319 --> 01:32:32,477
We got back,
1555
01:32:33,284 --> 01:32:34,284
and...
1556
01:32:36,249 --> 01:32:37,569
we all went home.
1557
01:32:38,582 --> 01:32:39,582
It ended there.
1558
01:32:42,414 --> 01:32:46,574
I knew that Yolanda, having
the performer father that she had,
1559
01:32:46,854 --> 01:32:49,734
would carry on as a performer,
1560
01:32:49,949 --> 01:32:53,630
but the rest,
I think they knew that wouldn't last long
1561
01:32:53,730 --> 01:32:55,529
and then they'd get on with their lives.
1562
01:32:58,586 --> 01:33:01,163
I'd done, during Parchís' final phase,
1563
01:33:01,268 --> 01:33:03,702
some auditions for a TV seriescalled Platos Rotos,
1564
01:33:03,824 --> 01:33:06,488
written by Joaquín Oristrell,my cousin,
1565
01:33:07,014 --> 01:33:09,814
and I'd been giventhe role of Mariel.
1566
01:33:10,129 --> 01:33:13,645
Mariel, stuck between Mom and Dad,
that is, between a rock and a hard place.
1567
01:33:13,769 --> 01:33:17,049
I'll never get married, putting up
with the same guy forever is a bore,
1568
01:33:17,309 --> 01:33:19,309
like having a TV with only one channel.
1569
01:33:19,914 --> 01:33:21,765
I think it was also like...
1570
01:33:22,789 --> 01:33:26,589
a way of escaping
all the surrounding conflict.
1571
01:33:27,014 --> 01:33:30,635
My parents had split up,
it was the end of Parchís...
1572
01:33:32,209 --> 01:33:34,169
And I think that, at that time,
1573
01:33:34,314 --> 01:33:37,154
I didn't see it,
but I didn't really fit in.
1574
01:33:37,489 --> 01:33:40,411
Not in Spain,
nor in my family, nor...
1575
01:33:41,354 --> 01:33:42,554
Not anywhere.
1576
01:33:44,074 --> 01:33:45,874
We were very distant for a few years.
1577
01:33:46,609 --> 01:33:49,812
I was very distant with Gemma,
with Yolanda, I didn't speak to Tino.
1578
01:33:50,569 --> 01:33:54,489
But Frank was always there.
Frank's a brother to me.
1579
01:33:57,889 --> 01:34:00,809
On a personal note,
1580
01:34:01,449 --> 01:34:06,089
I've had my adventures
with a bad lifestyle,
1581
01:34:06,249 --> 01:34:10,684
I've had difficulties
moving forward,
1582
01:34:10,794 --> 01:34:12,835
because you come out of there
really scarred.
1583
01:34:13,554 --> 01:34:14,994
Even though Parchís had ended,
1584
01:34:15,229 --> 01:34:19,349
at seventeen, wherever I went,
or at sixteen,
1585
01:34:20,569 --> 01:34:23,649
you were like a sore thumb,
especially me.
1586
01:34:25,624 --> 01:34:28,064
And deep down,
when you stop being someone,
1587
01:34:28,289 --> 01:34:29,609
more so at that age,
1588
01:34:30,159 --> 01:34:31,759
I was still the girl from Parchís.
1589
01:34:31,929 --> 01:34:34,212
In my neighborhood,
I was always "the one from Parchís."
1590
01:34:34,469 --> 01:34:36,622
All the neighbors,
the people at school...
1591
01:34:38,727 --> 01:34:41,199
But deep down you're left
with a feeling that you think...
1592
01:34:41,627 --> 01:34:47,032
it's over. After about a year,
there was something missing in your life.
1593
01:34:47,339 --> 01:34:50,019
All that causes a small problem.
1594
01:34:51,734 --> 01:34:54,374
And anyone who denies it
can tell me about it.
1595
01:34:54,729 --> 01:35:00,852
It causes a small problem, a little
lack of confidence, of self-esteem.
1596
01:35:02,604 --> 01:35:06,244
So I arrived here in Mexico
and there was no work,
1597
01:35:06,524 --> 01:35:08,627
the first months
there was nothing.
1598
01:35:09,519 --> 01:35:11,639
Being away from home
without the band,
1599
01:35:12,004 --> 01:35:15,324
living in a country that had been
so important to the band...
1600
01:35:16,579 --> 01:35:18,166
It's not easy to come to the realization
1601
01:35:18,291 --> 01:35:21,596
that you're going through
a phase of depression. That you're sad.
1602
01:35:22,044 --> 01:35:23,244
We can all experience that,
1603
01:35:23,399 --> 01:35:27,028
because you go through a grieving process,
because this and that happened,
1604
01:35:27,178 --> 01:35:28,564
and because it's very hard
1605
01:35:28,973 --> 01:35:33,413
to survive having been part of a band
like this with integrity.
1606
01:35:33,569 --> 01:35:34,831
Because it was everything.
1607
01:35:37,894 --> 01:35:41,077
Well, when you weigh it out
you think, "What?"
1608
01:35:42,532 --> 01:35:45,582
Classified ads, job offers...
That's all you got left.
1609
01:35:49,329 --> 01:35:51,729
It was the rupture of the band
at a personal level,
1610
01:35:51,809 --> 01:35:56,769
and what's more, I think
that sort of anger lasted for years.
1611
01:35:58,729 --> 01:36:03,809
We distanced ourselves from Tino,
and we didn't hear from him for years,
1612
01:36:04,729 --> 01:36:06,255
until...
1613
01:36:06,659 --> 01:36:11,139
Well, because of the accident,
we rekindled our relationship with him.
1614
01:36:15,289 --> 01:36:18,049
Everything I'm going to tell you,
it's not that I remember it,
1615
01:36:18,129 --> 01:36:23,289
because, in addition to the amputation,
I had pretty bad cranioencephalic trauma.
1616
01:36:23,994 --> 01:36:27,384
It's from the statement of the guy
I crashed into, the van I crashed into.
1617
01:36:27,779 --> 01:36:31,499
So the guy gave a statement
to the Guardia Civil saying
1618
01:36:32,609 --> 01:36:34,849
he was traveling on the opposite side
of the road,
1619
01:36:34,929 --> 01:36:37,049
behind a guy who was messing around.
1620
01:36:37,479 --> 01:36:40,679
So the guy in front made his maneuver,
1621
01:36:41,089 --> 01:36:42,660
I was coming, he can already see me,
1622
01:36:43,309 --> 01:36:45,259
and instead of stopping,
the guy accelerates,
1623
01:36:45,814 --> 01:36:49,246
exactly at the point where I was passing,
so, to avoid him,
1624
01:36:49,554 --> 01:36:52,915
I encroach the other lane, he reaches me
and we collide head on.
1625
01:36:54,724 --> 01:36:58,405
From the head-on collision,
the hood shot into the car
1626
01:36:58,729 --> 01:37:02,849
and I instinctively put my arm like this,
1627
01:37:03,089 --> 01:37:06,148
and it acted as a guillotine along
with the roof and that's what it took off.
1628
01:37:06,334 --> 01:37:08,494
But it could have taken my neck.
1629
01:37:08,854 --> 01:37:13,214
When Tino had the accident,
I was still angry at him,
1630
01:37:13,449 --> 01:37:16,049
at the time I didn't care.
1631
01:37:16,929 --> 01:37:20,209
And that's not right, because
he's a person you care about and love,
1632
01:37:20,289 --> 01:37:21,947
so that was wrong of me.
1633
01:37:22,529 --> 01:37:25,007
And it changed my life,
of course, a lot.
1634
01:37:25,399 --> 01:37:29,182
Mainly because when you're confronted
with something like this,
1635
01:37:29,779 --> 01:37:33,779
you realize which things really matter.
1636
01:37:34,674 --> 01:37:39,074
And the things
with the sole purpose of filling
1637
01:37:39,569 --> 01:37:45,129
ephemeral voids
or ephemeral satisfaction,
1638
01:37:45,209 --> 01:37:46,455
are absurdities.
1639
01:37:46,859 --> 01:37:48,699
And really...
1640
01:37:49,169 --> 01:37:53,089
Tino is a person who,
at this time, I think is fantastic.
1641
01:37:53,899 --> 01:37:55,859
I admire people who don't play the victim
1642
01:37:55,964 --> 01:37:59,204
despite having lived through things
that would allow them to do so.
1643
01:37:59,619 --> 01:38:03,419
I really admire... I admire him a lot.
1644
01:38:03,649 --> 01:38:07,049
The way he's... the man he has become.
1645
01:38:09,619 --> 01:38:12,396
With us, we've gotten to the point
that we're brothers.
1646
01:38:12,619 --> 01:38:14,299
We can say almost anything
to each other.
1647
01:38:14,529 --> 01:38:16,169
As long as no one else says it.
1648
01:38:16,529 --> 01:38:19,529
I can say things like, "You're a douche,"
and he can say it back.
1649
01:38:19,609 --> 01:38:21,511
And within half an hour
we're over it.
1650
01:38:23,169 --> 01:38:27,098
There are some chains that bind
and that will never again be broken.
1651
01:38:27,394 --> 01:38:32,114
And it doesn't matter if you insult
or betray each other or whatever,
1652
01:38:32,624 --> 01:38:36,717
we've shared some experiences
that turned us into family.
1653
01:38:37,249 --> 01:38:38,492
For the good and the bad.
1654
01:38:39,209 --> 01:38:43,671
I can tell you that after that,
I've managed to be a writer or director,
1655
01:38:44,009 --> 01:38:47,169
vice-president of the Academy,
president of the Board of Directors...
1656
01:38:47,289 --> 01:38:49,849
I've had several lives,
I have two adopted children,
1657
01:38:49,929 --> 01:38:52,329
I've had a number
of complicated adventures,
1658
01:38:52,459 --> 01:38:53,837
but probably the most exciting thing
1659
01:38:54,034 --> 01:38:57,954
that's happened to me in life
was with Parchís.
1660
01:39:00,884 --> 01:39:05,169
It's fair to say that you get to a pointthat you think, "I'm 50 years old,
1661
01:39:05,354 --> 01:39:08,354
I'm so happy I did Parchís,but it's part of my past."
1662
01:39:10,609 --> 01:39:13,969
There were times I would have preferrednot to have been a part of Parchís,
1663
01:39:14,969 --> 01:39:17,449
not to have been so well knownor so famous.
1664
01:39:17,824 --> 01:39:23,104
But whatever I do,that degree of success or popularity
1665
01:39:24,129 --> 01:39:26,687
is almost impossibleto attain again.
1666
01:39:28,209 --> 01:39:31,849
Over the years,the situation has changed
1667
01:39:32,026 --> 01:39:34,124
and it's...I think I feel grateful in this life
1668
01:39:34,397 --> 01:39:38,249
for having been in Parchís,for having been a part of...
1669
01:39:38,519 --> 01:39:39,919
and I know it sounds corny,
1670
01:39:40,289 --> 01:39:44,093
but for having been a partof the childhood of millions of people.
1671
01:39:47,689 --> 01:39:53,379
Who can say they've experienced10,000 people singing along with them?
1672
01:39:54,046 --> 01:39:55,249
Who can say that?
1673
01:39:55,369 --> 01:39:58,849
Who can say that people used to wearyou on a t-shirt or wear you...?
1674
01:39:59,079 --> 01:40:02,449
We're fortunate,because at the end of the day,
1675
01:40:02,529 --> 01:40:04,470
I think that lifeis a collection of experiences.
1676
01:40:04,589 --> 01:40:07,789
And ours have been fantastic.
1677
01:40:10,814 --> 01:40:13,974
Because they have to be awareof what they did
1678
01:40:14,874 --> 01:40:16,185
and of what that was.
1679
01:40:16,949 --> 01:40:21,749
Their memories will be full of blanks,mine too,
1680
01:40:22,169 --> 01:40:24,277
but I'd never tell all this,
1681
01:40:24,849 --> 01:40:29,289
if I didn't believeit had ended well.
1682
01:40:30,179 --> 01:40:31,859
For everyone.
1683
01:40:32,089 --> 01:40:36,889
There haven't been any tragedies,no hard feelings,
1684
01:40:36,969 --> 01:40:39,609
there's been no devastation.
1685
01:40:39,689 --> 01:40:43,769
There's been hardship,overcoming all sorts of things,
1686
01:40:44,249 --> 01:40:48,009
because at the end of the day,what it comes to show
1687
01:40:48,609 --> 01:40:50,529
is that these people have been...
1688
01:40:51,849 --> 01:40:54,249
They've been championsin their field,
1689
01:40:55,359 --> 01:40:58,999
not only in doing what they did,not only in being Parchís,
1690
01:40:59,609 --> 01:41:01,529
but in surviving Parchís.
1691
01:41:06,890 --> 01:41:08,382
-Can I start?-Please.
1692
01:41:09,280 --> 01:41:13,838
For me the most important thing
was traveling.
1693
01:41:14,213 --> 01:41:17,221
For a twelve-year-old kid
to get on a plane,
1694
01:41:17,596 --> 01:41:21,826
and that what you see
becomes your textbook...
1695
01:41:22,049 --> 01:41:24,255
Who travels for five years?
1696
01:41:24,327 --> 01:41:25,355
-Or six?
-I don't know.
1697
01:41:25,455 --> 01:41:27,549
-Non-stop?
-Non-stop.
1698
01:41:28,846 --> 01:41:31,681
When you think in all the full houses,
you'd perform...
1699
01:41:32,303 --> 01:41:34,818
and you'd do it
without any kind of embarrassment.
1700
01:41:34,940 --> 01:41:38,544
-Of awareness.
-Today I wouldn't be able
1701
01:41:38,669 --> 01:41:40,858
-to be out there two minutes.
-To be out there.
1702
01:41:42,430 --> 01:41:47,458
I attended a school of life
very different to the one
1703
01:41:47,586 --> 01:41:50,045
that many others did.
And I came to very deep...
1704
01:41:51,659 --> 01:41:52,985
conclusions.
1705
01:41:54,135 --> 01:41:58,412
When I left the band, around 16 or 17,
and went to clubs with Frank,
1706
01:41:58,534 --> 01:42:01,333
they would recognize you,
1707
01:42:01,605 --> 01:42:05,389
all the girls would look at you.
Flirting was very easy.
1708
01:42:05,886 --> 01:42:09,840
But they would flirt with the celebrity,
not with the real person.
1709
01:42:09,987 --> 01:42:12,370
-Sure.
-When they'd notice the real person,
1710
01:42:12,742 --> 01:42:16,114
they'd get disappointed,
that was not their impression of you.
1711
01:42:16,386 --> 01:42:19,190
For some time,
1712
01:42:19,315 --> 01:42:23,001
I had this insecurity, like,
"I don't think I can open myself
1713
01:42:23,598 --> 01:42:27,622
emotionally in certain ways,
because they don't see me
1714
01:42:28,125 --> 01:42:31,825
-as I am, but as they think I am."
-Right, yes.
1715
01:42:33,072 --> 01:42:36,828
There is this weird stigma,
where if you were...
1716
01:42:37,525 --> 01:42:40,085
not a child prodigy,
but if you were famous as a kid,
1717
01:42:40,607 --> 01:42:42,652
you lack talent as an adult.
1718
01:42:42,827 --> 01:42:45,455
I accept that it took me years
1719
01:42:46,302 --> 01:42:50,547
to get a call because of my work,
not because I was part of Parchís.
1720
01:42:52,972 --> 01:42:56,187
-I love to see their faces...
-Totally.
1721
01:42:56,387 --> 01:42:59,757
...when they realize.
That should be filmed.
1722
01:43:00,704 --> 01:43:03,478
When I moved to New York, eight years ago,
1723
01:43:04,584 --> 01:43:07,255
I thought, "No one will recognize me."
1724
01:43:07,405 --> 01:43:12,289
Obviously. So, I start working,
and suddenly, a girl,
1725
01:43:13,536 --> 01:43:16,686
she is looking at her computer,
and there is a picture of Parchís.
1726
01:43:17,308 --> 01:43:21,247
She recognized me, and everyone
in this New York company
1727
01:43:21,425 --> 01:43:23,099
going mad like...
1728
01:43:23,296 --> 01:43:24,583
How did they say it?
1729
01:43:24,708 --> 01:43:25,857
"You are a celebrity."
1730
01:43:25,986 --> 01:43:27,771
"You're so famous.
1731
01:43:27,974 --> 01:43:30,046
-How can you be so famous?"
-"A little celebrity."
1732
01:43:30,321 --> 01:43:34,033
And suddenly, everyone:
"You were at the Madison Square Garden!"
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