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www.titlovi.com
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Looking like a veritable
movie star.
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Don't know how I got picked,
Mr. Summers.
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Oh, you were
our number one choice, Janet.
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See you out there.
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Here, Ma.
Excuse me, Jerry.
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Where do you want this?
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Oh, exam room.
Thanks.
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I feel bad asking,
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but do you think
I could talk with Dr. Duntsch?
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Oh, he's real busy.
Can I do something?
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It's more
of a doctor-patient thing.
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Definitely don't want me
handling that stuff.
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I'll talk to him.
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Thank you, Jerry.
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Will you make sure your mom's
memorized on what she's saying?
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I don't want her
getting distracted
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with lights, camera, action.
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Two reasons why patients
normally present
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to their doctors for pain
related to the spine.
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The first is related to
the peripheral nervous system.
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That's called radiculopathy.
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Now, normally, that type
of pain is associated
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with depression or with...
-Yo, Chris.
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Degenerative changes in-
-Cut.
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Okay, um, let's take a break.
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Knock out
the patient's portion.
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Come back.
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Good idea.
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Fuck me.
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I am so sorry.
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You're looking good.
Feeling good?
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I thought it'd be
more professional.
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Tell me what needs fixing,
Chrissy, anything.
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Kim's all over it.
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I know you're in the zone,
but Sarah wants to talk to you.
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Janet's daughter.
Our patient?
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Oh, yeah, that's fine.
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Hey. Dr. Duntsch,
how can I help you?
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Hi, Dr. Duntsch.
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I noticed something
in my mom's scar.
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Like, blue peeking out,
like a piece of sponge.
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So I got some tweezers and...
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Oh, wow.
You should not have done that.
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Oh, my God.
What did I do?
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No, it's just a stitch.
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It's fine, but-
okay, you should call me
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before you go digging around
in there again, okay?
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I did call a few times.
-Quiet on set.
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You ready, Jenny?
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Should I tell my own story?
Because this isn't my story.
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Janet, you look great today.
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Thank you so much
for doing this.
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You did good.
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Yeah.
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Roll camera.
And action.
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Dr. Duntsch is one great man.
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He is the best doctor I think
that you could ever go to,
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and if you're having
the problems that I had,
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you know, give him a call
because he'll fix you.
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No God damn way.
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Mr. Duntsch...
-Doctor.
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I don't think you appreciate
the position you're in.
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Doctor.
-Dr. Duntsch,
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I don't think you appreciate
the position you're in.
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No, I don't.
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I do not appreciate
being locked up in a cage
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like a dog
for a year and a half.
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And I certainly do
not appreciate you telling me
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that my best bet going forward
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is not just to fire your asses
and hire real lawyers,
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but to ask for a continuance.
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I need to find someone
to testify on your behalf.
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Put me on the stand.
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If anybody else tries
to describe what it is
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that I do or how I do it,
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they're just gonna end up
looking like a bunch of jerks.
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See, that right there is why
you can't take the stand.
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You're emotionally driven.
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And when you're emotional,
you can't control what you say.
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Try me.
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You are a drug-and alcohol-
addicted surgeon
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who was too impaired
to perform surgeries.
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Allegedly.
None of that was-
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Like a drunk driver,
which, by the way,
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you have on your record,
Mr. Duntsch.
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Doctor.
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No, you're no longer
a doctor.
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You had your license stripped.
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Temporarily.
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Not if we have anything
to do with it.
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And how about that email?
The one in which
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you're prepared to become
a cold-blooded killer.
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I never meant for that
to be taken literally-
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You wrote it.
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So it was just a coincidence
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that you wrote
that email to your lover,
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who also happens to be
your assistant,
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just prior to killing
or maiming over 33 patients?
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It's not my fault!
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The anesthesiologists
and the nurses
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and the fat fucking patients...
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Fire me,
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but know whoever
slides into this seat
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is gonna tell you
a version of the same thing.
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I am trying to keep you
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from spending the rest
of your life in prison.
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I don't want to.
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You've got my deposition,
and you've got my records.
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I don't have anything
more to give.
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The judge ruled you have
to testify in front-
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How could the emails
not be true?
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He sent them to me.
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The defense has a right
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to cross-examine you
and confirm that.
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You know, I thought
the other side of the world
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was far enough.
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They don't want me there
because of the emails.
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They wanna know about us,
about our relationship.
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What are they gonna ask?
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If it were me,
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I would remind them
as often as I could
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that you two
were sleeping together
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to establish
a conflict of interest.
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You mean to call me a whore
who can't be trusted?
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I know you're trying to leave
this all behind, Ms. Morgan,
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but there's only
one way to do that.
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This is hostile.
She's being hostile.
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Do you need her to testify?
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I do if I wanna introduce
that email.
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Can you prove your case
without the email?
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Precedent-setting
is precedent-setting,
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Dr. Henderson.
No one's ever done this before.
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Gotta assume
every little bit helps.
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She's been through enough.
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What the hell are you
talking about, Bob?
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She was in the O.R.
She was in the consult.
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She had to know
what was going on.
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You ask me,
she hasn't been through enough.
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What about questioning his
training and the investments?
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And we have the hospitals
moving him around.
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What?
What?
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We brought charges
of elder abuse.
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The only way to prove that
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is to prove that
he was trained well
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and that he knew
what he was doing,
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the whole time, he knew
he was going to harm her.
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Well, what about the drugs?
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That would be helpful, but-
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Fine, fantastic.
Drag Kayla Gibson in here.
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Unless Ms. Gibson knew
he was high and was with him
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in surgery that day,
it's inadmissible.
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This is ridiculous.
-No, it's not.
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You came to me
to help you stop Duntsch.
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We have to choose.
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If he's our goal,
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then we have to focus on him
and only him.
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State, call
your first witness.
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Drew Sweeney.
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Joe Padua.
-Harold Brennan.
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Earl Burke.
-Elaine Johnson.
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Henry Aldrich.
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Cindy Tremblay.
-Stan Novak.
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Would you tell us
a little about yourself?
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I'm 41.
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I work for the Collin County
Medical Examiner's Office.
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I worked for a pool company.
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My wife, Shelley, was an
elementary education teacher.
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Dorothy and I were married
46 years.
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Two kids, nine grandkids.
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Commercial construction
project manager.
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Started driving trucks
in '98.
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Two children-both had
better be in school right now.
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I'm an
air conditioner contractor.
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What were your symptoms
prior to seeing Dr. Duntsch?
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Light back pain.
-Lower back pain.
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We were decorating
the Christmas tree,
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and Shelley missed a rung.
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Neck pain.
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Pain in the neck
and numb pinky.
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Numbness.
Tingling in my finger.
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Back pain.
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Hard to be a mom when
you can't pick anything up.
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Broke my back.
Motorcycle accident.
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How did you hear
about Dr. Duntsch?
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My doctor.
-Family doctor.
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Website called Best Docs.
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Baylor Medical website.
Five stars.
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Seemed like he knew
what he was talking about.
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He told us
he was gonna fix her.
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That's all we needed to know.
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Arrogant.
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Told me he was the best
in the metroplex.
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So it's the day
of the surgery.
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I had second thoughts
that day.
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My understanding
was my surgery was supposed
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to last a couple of hours.
It took four.
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When you woke up
from surgery,
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what was that like?
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A nightmare.
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I woke up in a nightmare,
tubes coming out of everywhere.
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Feeding tubes, drain tubes.
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I couldn't move,
and the pain...
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They were pumping me
full of blood,
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and I didn't know why.
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I was sore.
I hurt.
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I was worse.
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Couldn't move, and my wife
told me he'd found a tumor
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and had to abort the surgery.
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It turns out it was
a piece of my neck muscle.
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Every bone hurt.
I was crying.
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I'm sober,
so I can't take the meds.
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She never woke up.
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I went home.
I laid around.
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Wasn't eating
or drinking anything
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'cause of the sore throat.
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I remember being
like I was a baby.
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You know, like a baby
who can't hold himself up.
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First thing that went through
my mind: what's he done to me?
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He looked at the incision
and said everything was fine.
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He kept repeating himself.
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He kept saying that
what was wrong
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wasn't related to the surgery.
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I knew there was
something wrong with this guy.
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Sorry, man.
You looked high as a kite.
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Objection.
-Sustained.
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Has this changed your life?
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I walk with a limp.
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I have trouble
with incontinence,
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erectile dysfunction.
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I can't sing.
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Not that I was
ever a good singer,
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but that's just
an everyday reminder.
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She was the love of my life.
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It's hard to get over
a broken heart.
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Just living
one day at a time,
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just like recovery.
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I can't play with my children
like I used to.
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I learned ways
to control the pain,
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mostly through
prayer and meditation.
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I sit in a recliner,
watch TV,
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a lot of medicine,
antidepressants.
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I miss her.
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She was-
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she was a very-
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very good woman.
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And that's all I can say.
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Can you tell us
how old you are?
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70.
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And what did you do
for a living?
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I was a teacher's aide,
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and then I worked
in physical therapy for a bit.
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Ironic.
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What took you
to Christopher Duntsch?
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I had back pain for years,
256
00:12:13,817 --> 00:12:18,238
and it radiated
to the end of my foot.
257
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And I tried all the treatments.
258
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Steroid shots, PT.
259
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Nothing worked.
260
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Before you met the defendant,
had you had surgery?
261
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Mm-hmm.
2008.
262
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A laminectomy.
263
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It helped
for a number of years,
264
00:12:37,590 --> 00:12:42,470
but it didn't last and then
my pain management team
265
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referred me to Dr. Duntsch.
266
00:12:44,806 --> 00:12:48,935
How did you feel going
into the surgery?
267
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Fine.
Good.
268
00:12:53,189 --> 00:12:57,402
I walked into
the hospital happy,
269
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and I was thinking,
"This is gonna fix it."
270
00:13:02,073 --> 00:13:05,994
And how did you feel
when you woke up?
271
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I was in pain.
272
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I was in pain,
273
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and no one could tell me
what was wrong with me
274
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until Dr. Henderson.
275
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He said that he thought that
276
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the fusion
was improperly placed,
277
00:13:27,349 --> 00:13:32,312
and that something
was pressing against a nerve.
278
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He said he didn't want to wait
279
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to operate on me,
so they rushed me in.
280
00:13:38,193 --> 00:13:41,654
What happened after
Dr. Henderson operated on you?
281
00:13:41,696 --> 00:13:44,949
The pain was much better,
and I could-
282
00:13:44,991 --> 00:13:48,370
I could move
my right foot a bit,
283
00:13:48,411 --> 00:13:50,455
but not my left.
284
00:13:50,497 --> 00:13:54,459
So prior to surgery
with Christopher Duntsch,
285
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you had pain,
but you could still live life.
286
00:14:00,965 --> 00:14:03,551
And now?
287
00:14:05,387 --> 00:14:07,013
I wish I could go back
to the days
288
00:14:07,055 --> 00:14:09,766
before I met
Christopher Duntsch.
289
00:14:23,863 --> 00:14:25,156
Would you please
introduce yourself to the jury?
290
00:14:25,198 --> 00:14:27,325
Randall Parker Kirby.
291
00:14:27,367 --> 00:14:30,537
I went to Rice undergrad.
Baylor for medical school.
292
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Stayed at Baylor for
293
00:14:31,663 --> 00:14:33,748
my five-year
general surgery residency
294
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as well as my two-year
vascular surgery fellowship.
295
00:14:36,543 --> 00:14:39,879
I have privileges at every
major hospital in Dallas,
296
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including Baylor,
Medical City Dallas,
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Medical City Children's,
298
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Methodist,
Dallas Medical, Presbyterian,
299
00:14:47,554 --> 00:14:50,432
and approximately
40 other smaller hospitals
300
00:14:50,473 --> 00:14:53,518
and outpatient surgery centers
here in the metroplex.
301
00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:58,189
My area of expertise
is anterior spinal access.
302
00:14:58,231 --> 00:15:00,442
I work with most
of the neurosurgical
303
00:15:00,483 --> 00:15:03,695
and orthopedic spine
surgeons here in DFW.
304
00:15:03,737 --> 00:15:07,782
I open up the chest and
the abdomen so they can correct
305
00:15:07,824 --> 00:15:10,827
whatever deformity they need
to correct in the front.
306
00:15:10,869 --> 00:15:16,332
I perform between two to four
of these operations per day.
307
00:15:16,374 --> 00:15:18,752
Five-call it six days a week.
308
00:15:18,793 --> 00:15:22,714
I do hernias, gallbladders,
309
00:15:22,756 --> 00:15:25,383
blockages of the legs
and the neck arteries, anyone?
310
00:15:25,425 --> 00:15:30,055
But my area of expertise
and the chapters I've published
311
00:15:30,096 --> 00:15:32,307
have all been
on anterior spine access.
312
00:15:32,349 --> 00:15:33,933
And were you called in
on a case
313
00:15:33,975 --> 00:15:36,061
regarding a patient
named Joe Padua?
314
00:15:36,102 --> 00:15:39,022
Yeah, he works
with the company
315
00:15:39,064 --> 00:15:40,273
that takes care of my pool.
316
00:15:40,315 --> 00:15:42,942
I was asked to come in,
lend a hand.
317
00:15:42,984 --> 00:15:44,444
It seemed nobody else
was available.
318
00:15:44,486 --> 00:15:45,445
Available?
319
00:15:45,487 --> 00:15:46,780
Nobody wanted
to work with him.
320
00:15:46,821 --> 00:15:48,114
Objection.
321
00:15:48,156 --> 00:15:49,282
The witness has
no way of knowing that.
322
00:15:49,324 --> 00:15:50,742
Oh, I do.
323
00:15:50,784 --> 00:15:52,827
Sustained.
-Eh.
324
00:15:52,869 --> 00:15:56,206
Did you know Dr. Duntsch
prior to this surgery?
325
00:15:56,247 --> 00:15:58,833
I met him one time
before we had a conversation.
326
00:15:58,875 --> 00:16:03,088
I was scrubbing in on a case,
and he tried to convince me
327
00:16:03,129 --> 00:16:07,092
that he was
the best spine surgeon in town.
328
00:16:07,133 --> 00:16:09,761
I found the conversation
disturbing.
329
00:16:09,803 --> 00:16:12,555
I mean, sure, most surgeons
are superior sons of guns,
330
00:16:12,597 --> 00:16:14,265
some would even say
yours truly,
331
00:16:14,307 --> 00:16:16,851
but this guy was next level.
332
00:16:16,893 --> 00:16:17,977
I mean, he tried to tell me
333
00:16:18,019 --> 00:16:19,354
that all the surgeries
in Dallas
334
00:16:19,396 --> 00:16:22,357
were being performed
incorrectly.
335
00:16:22,399 --> 00:16:25,360
And what did you observe
during your operation with him?
336
00:16:25,402 --> 00:16:28,029
An anterior lumbar fusion
at L5-S1
337
00:16:28,071 --> 00:16:31,616
is about the easiest procedure
a spine surgeon can perform,
338
00:16:31,658 --> 00:16:33,535
and he just struggled.
339
00:16:33,576 --> 00:16:35,120
I mean, he was functioning
at the level
340
00:16:35,161 --> 00:16:37,831
of a first-
or second-year resident.
341
00:16:37,872 --> 00:16:40,667
Instead of using a scalpel
to remove the disc,
342
00:16:40,709 --> 00:16:44,295
he just started grabbing at it
with a double-action rongeur.
343
00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,842
All right, imagine, instead
of using a pizza slicer
344
00:16:48,883 --> 00:16:51,845
to divide and conquer
your extra-large pepperoni,
345
00:16:51,886 --> 00:16:55,306
you went after it
with a pair of lockjaw pliers.
346
00:16:55,348 --> 00:16:57,809
Not appetizing, right?
347
00:16:57,851 --> 00:16:59,310
Did it appear to you
348
00:16:59,352 --> 00:17:02,147
that there was more blood loss
than there should be?
349
00:17:02,188 --> 00:17:03,857
When he was taking
the disc out,
350
00:17:03,898 --> 00:17:05,483
he took off a bit of bone
351
00:17:05,525 --> 00:17:08,528
from the bottom
of the L5 vertebral body.
352
00:17:08,570 --> 00:17:12,157
In surgical parlance,
he violated the endplate.
353
00:17:12,198 --> 00:17:14,492
Very difficult to do
in healthy bone.
354
00:17:14,534 --> 00:17:16,327
He did the same thing
to the sacrum.
355
00:17:16,369 --> 00:17:18,163
When you start chewing
into bone,
356
00:17:18,204 --> 00:17:19,706
you get a lot of bleeding.
357
00:17:19,748 --> 00:17:23,710
It's not easy to stop bleeding
when it's coming from bone.
358
00:17:23,752 --> 00:17:26,504
You're just really
not supposed to do that.
359
00:17:26,546 --> 00:17:28,715
What are you supposed to do?
360
00:17:28,757 --> 00:17:30,884
Curet off the cartilage.
361
00:17:30,925 --> 00:17:32,635
A curet is like a scraper.
362
00:17:32,677 --> 00:17:34,471
You scrape off
all the cartilage
363
00:17:34,512 --> 00:17:37,932
so you can get a proper fusion,
and then heal bone to bone.
364
00:17:37,974 --> 00:17:39,851
When did you leave
the surgery?
365
00:17:39,893 --> 00:17:43,480
Midway, I was called into a
previously scheduled operation.
366
00:17:43,521 --> 00:17:44,439
Grudgingly.
367
00:17:44,481 --> 00:17:47,108
Grudgingly.
Why grudgingly?
368
00:17:52,864 --> 00:17:56,242
He was the neurosurgeon.
He was in charge.
369
00:17:56,284 --> 00:17:57,827
I did my job.
370
00:17:57,869 --> 00:18:03,333
I did my best to guide him,
and then I left.
371
00:18:04,250 --> 00:18:08,213
In hindsight, I suppose I could
have dragged him out of there.
372
00:18:08,254 --> 00:18:11,508
If there's ever a next time,
I will.
373
00:18:15,470 --> 00:18:18,098
State passes.
-Defense.
374
00:18:26,773 --> 00:18:30,235
You stated that Dr. Duntsch
was operating at the level
375
00:18:30,276 --> 00:18:33,196
of a first-or second-year
surgical resident.
376
00:18:33,238 --> 00:18:35,573
How many years does
a neurosurgical resident
377
00:18:35,615 --> 00:18:36,783
typically study?
378
00:18:36,825 --> 00:18:38,535
Six.
379
00:18:38,576 --> 00:18:40,662
And would that include
his training?
380
00:18:40,704 --> 00:18:43,623
Or lack thereof.
381
00:18:44,958 --> 00:18:48,336
Or lack thereof.
382
00:18:50,213 --> 00:18:52,090
Well said.
383
00:18:52,132 --> 00:18:54,217
Defense passes the witness.
384
00:18:54,259 --> 00:18:57,095
We stand in recess
until tomorrow.
385
00:19:12,444 --> 00:19:15,613
We can shift the blame
to your training.
386
00:19:18,700 --> 00:19:21,161
My training was some
of the best in the world.
387
00:19:21,202 --> 00:19:24,497
No, it was some of the worst.
388
00:19:25,665 --> 00:19:27,292
What are you talking about?
389
00:19:27,334 --> 00:19:29,502
We'll say you slipped
through the cracks.
390
00:19:29,544 --> 00:19:30,837
You were told you were
good enough to graduate,
391
00:19:30,879 --> 00:19:32,422
but you didn't have enough
training hours.
392
00:19:32,464 --> 00:19:35,008
Your financial ties to Skadden
393
00:19:35,050 --> 00:19:37,260
and the rest of the investors
blinded them to your-
394
00:19:37,302 --> 00:19:38,470
to your flaws.
-Stop.
395
00:19:38,511 --> 00:19:39,679
The entire medical community
396
00:19:39,721 --> 00:19:41,222
of Dallas
should have recognized it.
397
00:19:41,264 --> 00:19:44,309
Instead, they simply moved you
from hospital to hospital.
398
00:19:44,351 --> 00:19:48,521
You are erasing my legacy.
399
00:19:49,773 --> 00:19:51,358
Legacy?
400
00:19:51,399 --> 00:19:54,736
Christopher, you're done.
401
00:19:54,778 --> 00:19:55,904
Fuck you.
402
00:19:55,945 --> 00:19:57,155
You'll never practice
medicine again.
403
00:19:57,197 --> 00:19:58,823
Fuck you.
404
00:19:58,865 --> 00:20:00,325
And why aren't you pushing back
on any of their witnesses?
405
00:20:00,367 --> 00:20:01,785
How exactly would I do that,
Chris?
406
00:20:01,826 --> 00:20:03,787
I don't know.
That's your job, isn't it?
407
00:20:03,828 --> 00:20:05,914
You break them down.
You tell them they're wrong.
408
00:20:05,955 --> 00:20:08,541
You get them to admit-
admit whatever it was
409
00:20:08,583 --> 00:20:10,085
that they lied to me about
that messed up their surgery.
410
00:20:10,126 --> 00:20:11,294
Chris-
411
00:20:11,336 --> 00:20:13,296
You do something
to defend me.
412
00:20:13,338 --> 00:20:14,673
The only witness,
413
00:20:14,714 --> 00:20:16,466
the only defense
that I have right now
414
00:20:16,508 --> 00:20:20,178
is gonna speak
to your narcissism.
415
00:20:20,220 --> 00:20:22,597
Our best bet is to prove
416
00:20:22,639 --> 00:20:24,307
that you never should
have practiced medicine.
417
00:20:24,349 --> 00:20:27,102
Give me this.
Please give me this,
418
00:20:27,143 --> 00:20:29,312
and we might be able
to save you.
419
00:21:21,781 --> 00:21:24,451
Thanks for being here today,
Mr. Summers.
420
00:21:24,492 --> 00:21:27,996
Can you tell us
how you know Mr. Duntsch?
421
00:21:30,915 --> 00:21:35,170
We were classmates.
Went to high school together.
422
00:21:35,211 --> 00:21:36,755
Lost touch.
423
00:21:36,796 --> 00:21:40,050
Reconnected when he returned
to medical school in Memphis.
424
00:21:40,091 --> 00:21:43,636
What led you to have surgery
with Mr. Duntsch?
425
00:21:43,678 --> 00:21:47,223
Sharp, stabbing-like
sticking pain in my neck.
426
00:21:47,265 --> 00:21:48,600
Numbness.
427
00:21:48,641 --> 00:21:50,685
Did he explain the risks?
428
00:21:50,727 --> 00:21:53,188
He advised it was dangerous.
429
00:21:53,229 --> 00:21:55,899
He promised to take care of me.
430
00:21:55,940 --> 00:21:59,527
What did you do the night
before the surgery?
431
00:22:08,828 --> 00:22:13,208
Watched a game.
Basketball.
432
00:22:13,249 --> 00:22:16,169
Then I went
to bed around 10:00.
433
00:22:16,211 --> 00:22:19,964
May-maybe more like 11:30.
434
00:22:20,799 --> 00:22:24,678
What's the first thing
you remember after the surgery?
435
00:22:26,304 --> 00:22:29,599
I could barely move.
436
00:22:29,641 --> 00:22:35,021
I just kind of started
freaking out, hollering.
437
00:22:35,063 --> 00:22:36,481
Wanting to know
what was going on.
438
00:22:36,523 --> 00:22:39,734
And did Chris
come and talk to you?
439
00:22:39,776 --> 00:22:44,030
Not at first, but eventually.
440
00:22:44,072 --> 00:22:47,117
And then they took me
in for a second surgery,
441
00:22:47,158 --> 00:22:49,953
and when I got out,
I couldn't move at all.
442
00:22:49,994 --> 00:22:52,914
Do you remember making
a statement in the ICU
443
00:22:52,956 --> 00:22:55,458
that you and Chris
were doing cocaine together
444
00:22:55,500 --> 00:22:58,003
the night prior to surgery?
445
00:23:05,093 --> 00:23:07,929
I wanted to see him.
446
00:23:07,971 --> 00:23:13,184
He wasn't coming around,
and I-I was mad.
447
00:23:13,226 --> 00:23:15,311
I made it up.
448
00:23:15,353 --> 00:23:18,231
He was my doctor.
449
00:23:18,273 --> 00:23:20,525
I wanted to know
why I couldn't move.
450
00:23:20,567 --> 00:23:22,652
He was in charge.
451
00:23:22,694 --> 00:23:26,156
He wouldn't come see me.
452
00:23:26,197 --> 00:23:28,491
And he was your friend?
453
00:23:31,536 --> 00:23:34,497
Let the record show
the witness nodded.
454
00:23:34,539 --> 00:23:36,750
He was your best friend?
455
00:23:38,752 --> 00:23:41,046
Let the record show
the witness nodded.
456
00:23:42,714 --> 00:23:45,342
And he abandoned you?
457
00:23:49,679 --> 00:23:52,682
The State passes the witness.
458
00:23:59,064 --> 00:24:03,068
I'm terribly sorry
for what happened to you.
459
00:24:05,779 --> 00:24:10,075
You and Chris played
football together, yes?
460
00:24:10,116 --> 00:24:11,284
That's right.
461
00:24:11,326 --> 00:24:14,245
And did you have
some victories
462
00:24:14,287 --> 00:24:16,581
and some not-so-great games?
463
00:24:18,458 --> 00:24:19,626
Yeah.
464
00:24:19,668 --> 00:24:21,920
And how did Chris deal
with those games?
465
00:24:21,961 --> 00:24:26,091
Did he always go in
and always try to do his best?
466
00:24:27,425 --> 00:24:29,594
Yeah.
467
00:24:30,428 --> 00:24:33,515
Were you aware that he was
in a fellowship program
468
00:24:33,556 --> 00:24:35,809
studying under
Dr. Geoffrey Skadden?
469
00:24:35,850 --> 00:24:37,227
Yes.
470
00:24:37,268 --> 00:24:39,813
And from your understanding,
was it very important,
471
00:24:39,854 --> 00:24:42,023
what he was doing
for Dr. Skadden?
472
00:24:44,234 --> 00:24:45,360
Yeah.
473
00:24:45,402 --> 00:24:47,612
And things like
doing surgeries
474
00:24:47,654 --> 00:24:51,241
while he was there
under Skadden's supervision,
475
00:24:51,282 --> 00:24:54,536
that was important to becoming
a successful surgeon?
476
00:24:54,577 --> 00:24:55,912
Yeah.
477
00:24:55,954 --> 00:24:59,082
Did you ever see Chris
get out of obligations
478
00:24:59,124 --> 00:25:00,834
that he had at school?
479
00:25:02,293 --> 00:25:04,087
I felt that way sometimes.
480
00:25:04,129 --> 00:25:06,089
Can you give us
an example of that?
481
00:25:06,131 --> 00:25:09,801
Like, something that you saw
or that made you think that?
482
00:25:09,843 --> 00:25:12,262
I can just remember
maybe making a phone call
483
00:25:12,303 --> 00:25:13,722
to a doctor,
484
00:25:13,763 --> 00:25:15,598
maybe Dr. Skadden
or another doctor,
485
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,310
to say that he had stuff
to do for DiscGenics.
486
00:25:19,352 --> 00:25:22,731
And I can remember them
487
00:25:22,772 --> 00:25:25,650
let him out
whatever he had to do.
488
00:25:25,692 --> 00:25:27,610
When you would find out
that Dr. Skadden
489
00:25:27,652 --> 00:25:29,571
and/or some other doctor
would just excuse him
490
00:25:29,612 --> 00:25:32,991
from doing things at school
in lieu of staying in the lab,
491
00:25:33,033 --> 00:25:34,659
I mean, did you think
that was a problem?
492
00:25:34,701 --> 00:25:36,786
I never knew that,
you know, what was happening,
493
00:25:36,828 --> 00:25:40,749
and so I-I-I don't know
what he was missing
494
00:25:40,790 --> 00:25:43,376
or where he was going.
So I-I don't know.
495
00:25:43,418 --> 00:25:44,461
Okay.
496
00:25:44,502 --> 00:25:45,712
Well, did you ever meet
497
00:25:45,754 --> 00:25:49,215
any one of his classmates,
or anyone
498
00:25:49,257 --> 00:25:51,301
who went to the University
of Tennessee Med School,
499
00:25:51,343 --> 00:25:52,886
and talk to them
about the rigors
500
00:25:52,927 --> 00:25:57,057
of completing medical school
and completing that fellowship?
501
00:25:57,098 --> 00:25:58,725
I don't remember.
502
00:25:58,767 --> 00:26:00,518
You don't remember
anyone saying
503
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,521
that he only got
through medical school
504
00:26:03,563 --> 00:26:05,273
because Skadden liked him?
505
00:26:05,315 --> 00:26:07,192
I heard that after-you know,
506
00:26:07,233 --> 00:26:09,319
something similar to that
since my surgery.
507
00:26:09,361 --> 00:26:12,530
Do you remember who that was
that told you that or is that-
508
00:26:12,572 --> 00:26:14,491
I heard it from a friend
509
00:26:14,532 --> 00:26:15,658
who heard it
from another friend,
510
00:26:15,700 --> 00:26:17,118
and he made a comment
511
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:21,664
that Chris was able
to circumvent the program.
512
00:26:22,374 --> 00:26:25,418
Did they attribute that
circumventing to Dr. Skadden
513
00:26:25,460 --> 00:26:27,170
or some other doctor or both?
-I don't know.
514
00:26:27,212 --> 00:26:28,421
I don't-I don't know.
515
00:26:28,463 --> 00:26:29,923
Okay.
-I don't know.
516
00:26:29,964 --> 00:26:31,633
Okay, you said
you understood-
517
00:26:31,675 --> 00:26:32,967
I think what
they attributed to is the fact
518
00:26:33,009 --> 00:26:34,010
that they had companies
with them.
519
00:26:34,052 --> 00:26:35,512
Well, that was the next thing
520
00:26:35,553 --> 00:26:36,805
I was gonna ask you about.
521
00:26:36,846 --> 00:26:40,266
You said they had
companies with him.
522
00:26:40,308 --> 00:26:43,353
They gave all the funds
to those companies.
523
00:26:43,395 --> 00:26:44,646
Right.
524
00:26:44,688 --> 00:26:46,981
For him to do
the research, right?
525
00:26:47,023 --> 00:26:48,149
Right.
526
00:26:48,191 --> 00:26:50,443
Okay, and it was
very important
527
00:26:50,485 --> 00:26:53,530
that research be successful
to those companies.
528
00:26:53,571 --> 00:26:55,573
Is that correct?
529
00:26:56,950 --> 00:26:58,368
Yeah.
530
00:26:58,410 --> 00:27:00,370
Now, when Chris moved here,
531
00:27:00,412 --> 00:27:02,122
did he cut off all work
532
00:27:02,163 --> 00:27:05,250
with Dr. Skadden
and DiscGenics?
533
00:27:05,291 --> 00:27:06,459
Not that I know of.
534
00:27:06,501 --> 00:27:08,044
So Chris came to Dallas,
535
00:27:08,086 --> 00:27:10,672
and he worked at the Minimally
Invasive Spine Institute.
536
00:27:10,714 --> 00:27:12,048
Is that correct?
537
00:27:12,090 --> 00:27:13,049
Yeah.
538
00:27:13,091 --> 00:27:14,926
And while he was
working there,
539
00:27:14,968 --> 00:27:18,013
he was being pursued
by Amy Piel at Baylor-Plano.
540
00:27:18,054 --> 00:27:19,055
Is that correct?
541
00:27:19,097 --> 00:27:20,724
Well, she was interested
in having
542
00:27:20,765 --> 00:27:22,684
a successful clinic
on the property.
543
00:27:22,726 --> 00:27:26,312
Mm-hmm.
All to herself.
544
00:27:26,354 --> 00:27:30,066
Because if he was with Missy,
545
00:27:30,108 --> 00:27:33,945
she wasn't getting all the fees
that he would generate.
546
00:27:36,281 --> 00:27:37,782
Yeah.
547
00:27:37,824 --> 00:27:43,913
So both the chair
of his fellowship,
548
00:27:43,955 --> 00:27:45,832
the person responsible
for his training,
549
00:27:45,874 --> 00:27:48,168
and one of
the largest hospitals
550
00:27:48,209 --> 00:27:52,130
in the Dallas-Fort Worth area
had financial reasons
551
00:27:52,172 --> 00:27:56,718
for ensuring that Christopher
Duntsch was successful.
552
00:28:01,723 --> 00:28:03,892
I'd say so.
553
00:28:06,853 --> 00:28:09,481
Defense passes the witness.
554
00:28:09,522 --> 00:28:11,775
Redirect.
555
00:28:13,151 --> 00:28:16,780
Did Christopher ever visit you
after the surgery?
556
00:28:16,821 --> 00:28:19,949
After you returned home
to Memphis?
557
00:28:21,493 --> 00:28:24,162
Once.
He came to visit.
558
00:28:25,663 --> 00:28:29,334
What did you talk about?
559
00:28:29,376 --> 00:28:33,338
His baby, his practice.
560
00:28:33,380 --> 00:28:35,006
Nothing in depth.
561
00:28:35,048 --> 00:28:37,676
Did he ask about you?
562
00:28:38,718 --> 00:28:42,722
About what was happening
in your life?
563
00:28:44,808 --> 00:28:47,394
No.
564
00:28:47,435 --> 00:28:51,815
Ms. McClung said
that she was sorry
565
00:28:51,856 --> 00:28:53,316
for what happened to you,
566
00:28:53,358 --> 00:28:56,319
even though she has
no connection to your surgery.
567
00:28:56,361 --> 00:29:01,491
Has Christopher
ever said he was sorry?
568
00:29:07,622 --> 00:29:10,041
No.
569
00:29:13,211 --> 00:29:17,173
Final question, Mr. Summers.
570
00:29:17,215 --> 00:29:19,300
He's here now.
571
00:29:19,342 --> 00:29:22,012
Is there anything
you want to say to him?
572
00:29:22,053 --> 00:29:24,764
Objection.
-Sustained.
573
00:29:29,436 --> 00:29:31,187
I love you.
574
00:29:31,229 --> 00:29:35,025
The jury will disregard
that last statement.
575
00:29:35,066 --> 00:29:38,111
The State has
no further questions.
576
00:29:49,622 --> 00:29:52,375
Would you please
introduce yourself to the jury?
577
00:29:52,417 --> 00:29:53,918
Major Kimberly Morgan.
578
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,420
United States Air Force.
579
00:29:55,462 --> 00:29:57,797
And are you currently
out on deployment
580
00:29:57,839 --> 00:29:59,883
in a location
you cannot disclose?
581
00:29:59,924 --> 00:30:01,676
Yes, ma'am, due to security.
582
00:30:01,718 --> 00:30:03,553
Are you familiar
with a person
583
00:30:03,595 --> 00:30:04,888
named Christopher Duntsch?
584
00:30:04,929 --> 00:30:06,222
Yes, ma'am.
585
00:30:06,264 --> 00:30:07,682
I ran the office at his clinic
586
00:30:07,724 --> 00:30:09,184
and assisted in surgery.
587
00:30:09,225 --> 00:30:11,519
Can you tell us
what the defendant was like?
588
00:30:11,561 --> 00:30:12,812
His demeanor?
589
00:30:12,854 --> 00:30:15,648
Caring, kind,
590
00:30:15,690 --> 00:30:17,776
always very nice
to the patients.
591
00:30:17,817 --> 00:30:19,277
He took time
to listen to them.
592
00:30:19,319 --> 00:30:22,030
And did that change
over the course
593
00:30:22,072 --> 00:30:24,366
of the time you were with him?
594
00:30:24,407 --> 00:30:26,910
Yes,
595
00:30:26,951 --> 00:30:29,704
after the event
in February 2012.
596
00:30:29,746 --> 00:30:33,041
The event?
597
00:30:33,083 --> 00:30:34,668
Jerry Summers' surgery.
598
00:30:38,380 --> 00:30:42,300
Mr. Summers wasn't able
to use his limbs,
599
00:30:42,342 --> 00:30:46,012
was having
difficulty breathing,
600
00:30:46,054 --> 00:30:48,223
and then he talked about
how he and Dr. Duntsch
601
00:30:48,264 --> 00:30:51,059
were doing cocaine
the night before the surgery.
602
00:30:51,101 --> 00:30:53,728
You were ordered
to take a drug test?
603
00:30:53,770 --> 00:30:57,315
Myself and Dr. Duntsch.
I took it right away that day.
604
00:30:57,357 --> 00:30:58,566
Did the defendant?
605
00:30:58,608 --> 00:30:59,984
Eventually.
606
00:31:00,026 --> 00:31:01,319
It came back clean,
607
00:31:01,361 --> 00:31:03,488
and Baylor reinstated
his privileges.
608
00:31:03,530 --> 00:31:05,031
Shelley Brennan would be
609
00:31:05,073 --> 00:31:07,492
the last patient
you assisted on?
610
00:31:09,577 --> 00:31:10,870
Yes.
611
00:31:10,912 --> 00:31:13,415
What do you remember
about her surgery?
612
00:31:24,217 --> 00:31:27,846
It's a simple surgery.
613
00:31:27,887 --> 00:31:31,141
In one day, home the next.
614
00:31:32,517 --> 00:31:37,397
This is an email
from Duntsch@TNIclinic.net
615
00:31:37,439 --> 00:31:39,566
to Kimberly Morgan.
616
00:31:39,607 --> 00:31:41,651
The subject is "Occam's Razor."
617
00:31:41,693 --> 00:31:46,740
"Kim, unfortunately,
you cannot understand that
618
00:31:46,781 --> 00:31:50,076
"I really am building
an empire,
619
00:31:50,118 --> 00:31:53,121
"and I am so far
outside the box
620
00:31:53,163 --> 00:31:57,208
"that the Earth is small
and the Sun is bright.
621
00:31:57,250 --> 00:32:00,253
"Anyone close to me thinks
that I'm likely
622
00:32:00,295 --> 00:32:02,922
"something
between God, Einstein,
623
00:32:02,964 --> 00:32:05,091
and the Antichrist...
624
00:32:05,133 --> 00:32:07,302
Because how can I do
anything that I want
625
00:32:07,344 --> 00:32:09,095
across any discipline boundary
626
00:32:09,137 --> 00:32:12,182
like it's a playground
and never ever lose?
627
00:32:12,223 --> 00:32:14,351
Unfortunately,
despite the fact
628
00:32:14,392 --> 00:32:17,896
that I am winning, it is not
happening fast enough.
629
00:32:17,937 --> 00:32:20,273
What is the problem, Kim?
630
00:32:20,315 --> 00:32:23,568
It is simply that
everyone else is human,
631
00:32:23,610 --> 00:32:26,154
and there's nothing
I can do about it.
632
00:32:26,196 --> 00:32:29,282
So I pick and choose my humans
633
00:32:29,324 --> 00:32:32,369
and try to help them.
634
00:32:32,410 --> 00:32:36,206
You, my child,
635
00:32:36,247 --> 00:32:41,252
are the only one standing
between me and the other side.
636
00:32:41,294 --> 00:32:46,591
I am ready to leave the love
and kindness and goodness
637
00:32:46,633 --> 00:32:50,845
and patience that I mixed
with everything else that I am
638
00:32:50,887 --> 00:32:53,348
and become
a cold-blooded killer.
639
00:32:53,390 --> 00:32:57,310
The sad fact is,
I could go faster, do better,
640
00:32:57,352 --> 00:32:59,521
catch more honor and respect
641
00:32:59,562 --> 00:33:02,023
by fucking everybody
in the brain,
642
00:33:02,065 --> 00:33:03,858
emotionally and mentally
controlling them
643
00:33:03,900 --> 00:33:06,111
in a manner
that borders on abuse,
644
00:33:06,152 --> 00:33:10,323
taking no prisoners,
sending everyone in my way,
645
00:33:10,365 --> 00:33:13,493
especially that
fucks with me, to hell
646
00:33:13,535 --> 00:33:17,163
for the simple fact
that they thought they could.
647
00:33:19,082 --> 00:33:23,003
What I am being as what I am,
648
00:33:23,044 --> 00:33:26,047
one of a kind,
649
00:33:26,089 --> 00:33:30,927
a motherfucker
stone-cold killer.
650
00:33:35,098 --> 00:33:38,643
I'll pass my witness,
Your Honor.
651
00:33:38,685 --> 00:33:40,103
I don't think it's morning
652
00:33:40,145 --> 00:33:43,398
where you are,
but good morning.
653
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,485
Now, the State is making
a big deal out of this email
654
00:33:47,527 --> 00:33:49,237
they just read.
655
00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:52,032
Did you know Christopher
liked poetry?
656
00:33:52,073 --> 00:33:53,825
I found out later.
657
00:33:53,867 --> 00:33:57,620
But you're not surprised
by his-his flowery language.
658
00:33:57,662 --> 00:33:58,955
I mean, he sent emails
659
00:33:58,997 --> 00:34:00,373
like that one quite often,
didn't he?
660
00:34:00,415 --> 00:34:01,791
Yes.
661
00:34:01,833 --> 00:34:04,627
Do you think Dr. Duntsch
was a cold-blooded killer?
662
00:34:04,669 --> 00:34:06,212
No.
663
00:34:06,254 --> 00:34:09,090
Now, it's no secret
that you and Dr. Duntsch
664
00:34:09,132 --> 00:34:11,926
had an intimate relationship.
665
00:34:11,968 --> 00:34:14,012
We know that involves sex,
666
00:34:14,054 --> 00:34:16,139
but was there
an emotional element?
667
00:34:16,181 --> 00:34:17,307
Meaning?
668
00:34:17,349 --> 00:34:19,976
Well, among the people
in his life,
669
00:34:20,018 --> 00:34:22,270
based on everything you saw
670
00:34:22,312 --> 00:34:24,898
working with him day in
and day out,
671
00:34:24,939 --> 00:34:26,274
sleeping with him,
672
00:34:26,316 --> 00:34:28,568
you thought
you were pretty close?
673
00:34:28,610 --> 00:34:29,736
I thought so.
674
00:34:29,778 --> 00:34:31,404
Close enough that perhaps
675
00:34:31,446 --> 00:34:35,200
you didn't allow yourself
to see the truth?
676
00:34:35,241 --> 00:34:37,035
The truth?
677
00:34:37,077 --> 00:34:39,120
About his abilities.
678
00:34:39,162 --> 00:34:40,747
I don't understand.
679
00:34:40,789 --> 00:34:43,333
Was he a good surgeon?
680
00:34:45,251 --> 00:34:47,212
That's outside my area
of expertise.
681
00:34:47,253 --> 00:34:49,464
You were in his office.
You were in the O.R.
682
00:34:49,506 --> 00:34:51,007
You don't have
a professional opinion?
683
00:34:51,049 --> 00:34:53,176
No.
684
00:34:53,218 --> 00:34:55,220
Okay, well,
after Shelley Brennan,
685
00:34:55,261 --> 00:34:57,430
did you ever work
with Dr. Duntsch again?
686
00:34:57,472 --> 00:34:58,932
No.
-Why not?
687
00:34:58,973 --> 00:35:03,228
I didn't wanna be
in that environment anymore.
688
00:35:03,269 --> 00:35:05,605
That environment?
What environment?
689
00:35:10,193 --> 00:35:14,239
Unhealthy, you know?
690
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,282
You mean the environment
in which patients
691
00:35:16,324 --> 00:35:17,534
were being maimed and killed?
692
00:35:17,575 --> 00:35:19,703
Objection.
-Sustained.
693
00:35:19,744 --> 00:35:21,329
Just one more question.
694
00:35:21,371 --> 00:35:23,832
If you believed
that Dr. Duntsch
695
00:35:23,873 --> 00:35:26,418
wanted to hurt patients,
696
00:35:26,459 --> 00:35:28,670
you certainly would go
and tell somebody about that,
697
00:35:28,712 --> 00:35:31,423
wouldn't you?
698
00:35:35,802 --> 00:35:38,555
Yes, ma'am.
699
00:35:39,848 --> 00:35:41,599
Pass the witness.
700
00:35:41,641 --> 00:35:45,979
Stay safe, Ms. Morgan,
wherever you've gone.
701
00:36:02,370 --> 00:36:05,373
How are you feeling?
702
00:36:05,415 --> 00:36:08,543
If they ask me questions
about Duntsch's training,
703
00:36:08,585 --> 00:36:11,755
I can't promise you
what I'm going to say.
704
00:36:13,173 --> 00:36:15,175
Yeah.
705
00:36:17,510 --> 00:36:19,888
If we can't present
our entire case,
706
00:36:19,929 --> 00:36:22,432
the good, bad, everything,
707
00:36:22,474 --> 00:36:25,143
if we can't lay it all out
and still win,
708
00:36:25,185 --> 00:36:27,020
then we shouldn't win.
709
00:36:28,897 --> 00:36:30,190
You take that call.
710
00:36:30,231 --> 00:36:32,650
Hey, Ma.
Hang on a sec.
711
00:36:32,692 --> 00:36:35,195
Dr. Henderson.
712
00:36:35,236 --> 00:36:39,407
If they ask,
answer how you want.
713
00:36:41,242 --> 00:36:44,120
Thank you.
714
00:36:45,622 --> 00:36:48,500
Yeah, I'm here.
715
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,734
We asked you here
to give your opinion
716
00:37:14,776 --> 00:37:17,904
on four different cases
the defendant performed.
717
00:37:17,946 --> 00:37:21,574
What surgery did the defendant
recommend for Jerry Summers?
718
00:37:21,616 --> 00:37:26,746
An anterior cervical fusion
at C3-4 and C4-5.
719
00:37:26,788 --> 00:37:29,958
What was the outcome
of Mr. Summer's surgery?
720
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,168
He was rendered
a quadriplegic.
721
00:37:34,129 --> 00:37:35,505
Would you walk us through it?
722
00:37:35,547 --> 00:37:37,215
There was a lot of bleeding.
723
00:37:37,257 --> 00:37:40,802
Suction.
-Suction.
724
00:37:40,844 --> 00:37:43,555
Sponge.
Give me a sponge.
725
00:37:43,596 --> 00:37:46,307
How many CCs were lost?
726
00:37:47,934 --> 00:37:52,147
A typical loss is somewhere
between 25 and 200 CCs.
727
00:37:52,188 --> 00:37:55,525
Mr. Summers lost 1.900 CCs.
728
00:37:55,567 --> 00:37:58,903
What accounts for that amount
of blood loss?
729
00:37:58,945 --> 00:38:00,947
Injuring a major structure.
730
00:38:00,989 --> 00:38:02,407
Pituitary.
731
00:38:02,449 --> 00:38:05,577
He removed the disc
from C3-4 and C4-5,
732
00:38:05,618 --> 00:38:07,370
as he was supposed to do,
733
00:38:07,412 --> 00:38:09,789
and then he removed
a tremendous amount of bone
734
00:38:09,831 --> 00:38:11,833
on the left side.
735
00:38:12,417 --> 00:38:15,086
Over a third of
the vertebral body.
736
00:38:15,128 --> 00:38:19,549
And in doing so, he lacerated
the vertebral artery.
737
00:38:23,219 --> 00:38:27,307
The defendant chose to go
back in for a second surgery.
738
00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:29,017
What procedure did he perform?
739
00:38:29,059 --> 00:38:30,727
Double action.
740
00:38:30,769 --> 00:38:34,481
A laminectomy in order to
relieve pressure on the spine.
741
00:38:34,522 --> 00:38:36,566
But by removing excessive bone
742
00:38:36,608 --> 00:38:38,693
from both the front
and the back,
743
00:38:38,735 --> 00:38:41,780
you're compromising
the entire structure.
744
00:38:41,821 --> 00:38:44,616
In layman's terms?
745
00:38:44,657 --> 00:38:48,328
His head was barely attached
to his spine.
746
00:38:51,706 --> 00:38:53,708
Let's move on
to Shelley Brennan.
747
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:56,294
The surgery Duntsch
recommended,
748
00:38:56,336 --> 00:38:58,713
was that a surgery
that would fix her issue?
749
00:38:58,755 --> 00:39:00,090
Yes.
750
00:39:00,131 --> 00:39:03,093
What was the outcome
of Mrs. Brennan's operation?
751
00:39:03,134 --> 00:39:04,844
She died.
752
00:39:04,886 --> 00:39:07,389
Is that normal
for this type of procedure?
753
00:39:07,430 --> 00:39:11,351
Mortalities are less than
1 in 10.000.
754
00:39:11,393 --> 00:39:14,145
The pituitary rongeur
went through
755
00:39:14,187 --> 00:39:17,357
the ligament in the front and
lacerated the iliac vessels
756
00:39:17,399 --> 00:39:19,567
that lie directly on the side.
757
00:39:19,609 --> 00:39:22,070
So Mrs. Brennan
was bleeding?
758
00:39:22,112 --> 00:39:23,154
Heavily.
759
00:39:23,196 --> 00:39:24,364
Would there have been blood
760
00:39:24,406 --> 00:39:26,700
visible in the operative site?
761
00:39:26,741 --> 00:39:28,076
Sometimes, yes.
762
00:39:28,118 --> 00:39:30,203
It doesn't appear
to have been the case here,
763
00:39:30,245 --> 00:39:32,414
but they should have noticed
a drop in her blood pressure.
764
00:39:32,455 --> 00:39:37,585
Should a neurosurgeon know
that a drop in blood pressure
765
00:39:37,627 --> 00:39:39,212
means there's
a bleed somewhere?
766
00:39:39,254 --> 00:39:44,050
It's a fundamental rule,
but the likelihood of them
767
00:39:44,092 --> 00:39:47,053
being able to address
the issue is small.
768
00:39:47,095 --> 00:39:51,266
They'd call in a vascular
surgeon for assistance.
769
00:39:51,307 --> 00:39:53,935
But he didn't do that.
770
00:39:55,937 --> 00:39:58,231
No.
771
00:39:58,273 --> 00:39:59,733
Dorothy Burke.
772
00:39:59,774 --> 00:40:02,986
Mrs. Burke had a previous
anterior cervical fusion
773
00:40:03,028 --> 00:40:07,991
at C5-6 and C6-7 that resolved
her symptoms for a time,
774
00:40:08,033 --> 00:40:10,577
but she began experiencing
neck and shoulder pain
775
00:40:10,618 --> 00:40:13,371
that had nothing to do
with her prior surgery.
776
00:40:13,413 --> 00:40:17,042
Dr. Duntsch diagnosed
a disc protrusion at C4-5
777
00:40:17,083 --> 00:40:20,712
and a disc extrusion
at the C7 T1 level.
778
00:40:20,754 --> 00:40:25,216
He sliced through
the vertebral artery again.
779
00:40:31,264 --> 00:40:35,352
We've been talking a lot
about the vertebral artery.
780
00:40:35,393 --> 00:40:37,937
Is it common for it
to be hit during surgery?
781
00:40:37,979 --> 00:40:39,397
Exceptionally rare.
782
00:40:39,439 --> 00:40:40,732
How many times
have you hit it?
783
00:40:40,774 --> 00:40:42,150
Never.
784
00:40:42,192 --> 00:40:44,736
And what happened to
Mrs. Burke after her surgery?
785
00:40:44,778 --> 00:40:48,448
Her heart rate elevated.
She couldn't open her eyes.
786
00:40:48,490 --> 00:40:51,910
No verbal response
to questioning or commands.
787
00:40:51,951 --> 00:40:56,498
And what does that indicate
to anyone in the medical field?
788
00:40:56,539 --> 00:40:58,708
An impending disaster.
789
00:40:58,750 --> 00:41:01,086
What should Mr. Duntsch
have done
790
00:41:01,127 --> 00:41:03,880
as soon as he was informed
of that information?
791
00:41:03,922 --> 00:41:06,466
Physically examine
the patient.
792
00:41:06,508 --> 00:41:08,760
Order appropriate studies.
Scans.
793
00:41:08,802 --> 00:41:11,221
They were ordered
by the ICU physician,
794
00:41:11,262 --> 00:41:13,348
which showed
she was brain dead.
795
00:41:18,687 --> 00:41:20,814
Where was Dr. Duntsch?
796
00:41:20,855 --> 00:41:22,732
He was operating
on Madeline Beyer.
797
00:41:22,774 --> 00:41:25,819
Had the defendant focused
on Dorothy Burke
798
00:41:25,860 --> 00:41:29,239
rather than Madeline Beyer,
would she still be alive today?
799
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:30,657
Based on what I know
800
00:41:30,699 --> 00:41:32,325
of Dr. Duntsch's approach
to surgery,
801
00:41:32,367 --> 00:41:35,203
Mrs. Burke was dead the moment
she agreed for him to operate.
802
00:41:35,245 --> 00:41:36,496
Objection.
803
00:41:36,538 --> 00:41:38,581
Sustained.
804
00:41:40,208 --> 00:41:42,544
Madeline Beyer?
805
00:41:42,585 --> 00:41:46,715
Mrs. Beyer is the reason
I'm sitting here today.
806
00:41:46,756 --> 00:41:50,135
I-I tried to fix her.
807
00:41:50,176 --> 00:41:53,263
One of the screws
was violating the spinal canal,
808
00:41:53,304 --> 00:41:56,349
damaging dura and nerve roots.
809
00:41:56,391 --> 00:41:58,601
How do you know
when you've hit the dura?
810
00:41:58,643 --> 00:42:01,062
Cerebral spinal
fluid leaks out.
811
00:42:01,104 --> 00:42:05,400
I found evidence of three
attempted screw placements
812
00:42:05,442 --> 00:42:08,945
on the left side
where he put no screws.
813
00:42:10,155 --> 00:42:12,323
The most disturbing part was,
814
00:42:12,365 --> 00:42:15,618
the entire reason
he was operating
815
00:42:15,660 --> 00:42:19,080
was to remove the disc,
and he didn't touch it.
816
00:42:19,122 --> 00:42:20,707
What did he take out?
817
00:42:20,749 --> 00:42:24,044
A large piece
of the psoas muscle.
818
00:42:24,085 --> 00:42:26,629
He made a portal
through that muscle
819
00:42:26,671 --> 00:42:29,174
and stuffed an implant
in there.
820
00:42:29,215 --> 00:42:30,717
Cage.
821
00:42:30,759 --> 00:42:32,344
Is a trained neurosurgeon
822
00:42:32,385 --> 00:42:36,514
going to know the difference
between bone and muscle?
823
00:42:36,556 --> 00:42:38,141
Yes.
-Mallet.
824
00:42:38,183 --> 00:42:40,060
Would a trained
neurosurgeon know
825
00:42:40,101 --> 00:42:43,021
that by malpositioning
the interbody device,
826
00:42:43,063 --> 00:42:45,523
he was reasonably certain
to cause her injury?
827
00:42:45,565 --> 00:42:47,067
Yes.
828
00:42:47,108 --> 00:42:49,277
Would a trained neurosurgeon
have been aware
829
00:42:49,319 --> 00:42:52,113
that if he malpositioned
the pedicle screws,
830
00:42:52,155 --> 00:42:53,782
he was reasonably certain
831
00:42:53,823 --> 00:42:55,867
to cause her
serious bodily injury?
832
00:42:55,909 --> 00:42:57,243
Yes.
833
00:42:57,285 --> 00:43:00,163
Would a trained neurosurgeon
have been aware
834
00:43:00,205 --> 00:43:02,499
that if he amputated
the nerve root,
835
00:43:02,540 --> 00:43:03,667
he was reasonably certain
836
00:43:03,708 --> 00:43:06,086
to cause her
serious bodily injury?
837
00:43:06,127 --> 00:43:07,295
Yes.
838
00:43:07,337 --> 00:43:09,589
The way the surgical tools
were used
839
00:43:09,631 --> 00:43:11,383
in Madeline Beyer's case,
840
00:43:11,424 --> 00:43:13,426
do you think they were used
in a manner
841
00:43:13,468 --> 00:43:17,639
that was capable of causing
death or serious bodily injury?
842
00:43:21,434 --> 00:43:23,770
Yes.
843
00:43:23,812 --> 00:43:26,815
We pass the witness.
844
00:43:30,652 --> 00:43:33,571
Dr. Henderson,
Ms. Shughart made
845
00:43:33,613 --> 00:43:38,034
quite the point
that a trained neurosurgeon
846
00:43:38,076 --> 00:43:40,912
should have done this
or done that.
847
00:43:40,954 --> 00:43:44,457
You're aware Christopher
has both an MD and a PhD
848
00:43:44,499 --> 00:43:46,459
from the University
of Tennessee.
849
00:43:46,501 --> 00:43:47,877
I am.
850
00:43:47,919 --> 00:43:51,423
UT isn't some fly-by-night
medical school.
851
00:43:51,464 --> 00:43:52,799
It's not like one of those in-
852
00:43:52,841 --> 00:43:55,301
in Guadalajara or Granada,
is it?
853
00:43:55,343 --> 00:43:57,595
No, it's in Memphis.
854
00:43:57,637 --> 00:44:00,640
Do you know
Dr. Geoffrey Skadden?
855
00:44:00,682 --> 00:44:02,183
Does he have a good reputation?
856
00:44:02,225 --> 00:44:04,019
I do, and he does.
857
00:44:04,060 --> 00:44:05,812
And what was
he responsible for
858
00:44:05,854 --> 00:44:07,897
in Christopher Duntsch's
training?
859
00:44:07,939 --> 00:44:11,609
After Dr. Duntsch
finished his residency at UT,
860
00:44:11,651 --> 00:44:14,487
he came under the tutelage
of Dr. Skadden
861
00:44:14,529 --> 00:44:15,822
for a fellowship training
862
00:44:15,864 --> 00:44:18,158
in minimally invasive
spine surgery.
863
00:44:18,199 --> 00:44:20,618
Were you familiar
with the fact that Dr. Duntsch
864
00:44:20,660 --> 00:44:23,371
was doing medical cancer
research on the side
865
00:44:23,413 --> 00:44:26,416
and that Dr. Skadden
was involved in that research?
866
00:44:26,458 --> 00:44:27,917
I wasn't at the time, no.
867
00:44:27,959 --> 00:44:31,504
Should any doctor
under any circumstances
868
00:44:31,546 --> 00:44:36,051
have their surgical training
hours disrupted by research?
869
00:44:36,092 --> 00:44:37,177
Absolutely not.
870
00:44:37,218 --> 00:44:40,430
So a neurosurgical resident
or fellow
871
00:44:40,472 --> 00:44:42,557
can't just skip those hours.
872
00:44:42,599 --> 00:44:45,268
The supervisor has to sign off,
no matter the excuse.
873
00:44:45,310 --> 00:44:46,811
Correct.
874
00:44:46,853 --> 00:44:49,314
Do the doctors in charge
of the program have to sign off
875
00:44:49,356 --> 00:44:51,483
that they're qualified
to go and operate?
876
00:44:51,524 --> 00:44:52,692
Yes.
877
00:44:52,734 --> 00:44:54,486
Did Dr. Skadden write letters
878
00:44:54,527 --> 00:44:56,821
of recommendation
for Dr. Duntsch?
879
00:44:56,863 --> 00:44:58,365
Yes, he stated Dr. Duntsch
880
00:44:58,406 --> 00:45:02,369
was a satisfactory surgeon
in his fellowship.
881
00:45:02,410 --> 00:45:05,372
Well, had Dr. Skadden heard
what was happening in Texas?
882
00:45:05,413 --> 00:45:07,123
Yes, because he had mentioned
883
00:45:07,165 --> 00:45:09,584
poor outcomes at Baylor
when filling out
884
00:45:09,626 --> 00:45:11,544
a credentialing form
at Forest Park.
885
00:45:11,586 --> 00:45:14,673
Do you have any idea why he
wouldn't have explicitly told
886
00:45:14,714 --> 00:45:17,384
these hospitals
not to hire Dr. Duntsch?
887
00:45:17,425 --> 00:45:20,178
Dr. Skadden said that he had
to write recommendations
888
00:45:20,220 --> 00:45:23,056
based on what he'd witnessed
in his program.
889
00:45:23,098 --> 00:45:25,934
He couldn't speak to whatever
was happening in Texas.
890
00:45:25,975 --> 00:45:28,269
He didn't write any more
recommendations for Mr. Duntsch
891
00:45:28,311 --> 00:45:29,854
after we spoke.
892
00:45:29,896 --> 00:45:32,482
Has there ever been
an instance
893
00:45:32,524 --> 00:45:37,112
in which a doctor was sued for
not writing a recommendation?
894
00:45:37,153 --> 00:45:39,364
Yes.
895
00:45:39,406 --> 00:45:41,574
Well, that's frightening,
is it not?
896
00:45:41,616 --> 00:45:43,576
It is to me.
897
00:45:43,618 --> 00:45:46,079
So Skadden had
to sign off on him,
898
00:45:46,121 --> 00:45:48,415
or he wouldn't have been able
to get their credentials?
899
00:45:48,456 --> 00:45:49,624
Correct.
900
00:45:49,666 --> 00:45:50,792
I mean, Baylor wouldn't let
901
00:45:50,834 --> 00:45:52,419
somebody just walk in
off the street,
902
00:45:52,460 --> 00:45:53,837
start doing neurosurgery.
903
00:45:53,878 --> 00:45:55,880
I also assumed they would
have reported
904
00:45:55,922 --> 00:45:58,550
the outcomes of his surgeries
to the authorities.
905
00:45:58,591 --> 00:46:00,093
As a matter of fact,
906
00:46:00,135 --> 00:46:04,597
they didn't say
anything negative to anybody.
907
00:46:04,639 --> 00:46:09,269
Neurosurgery
is a big moneymaker.
908
00:46:09,310 --> 00:46:11,980
Do you think the corporate
level of the hospital
909
00:46:12,022 --> 00:46:14,733
was more interested
in making money
910
00:46:14,774 --> 00:46:16,985
than in protecting
their patients?
911
00:46:26,661 --> 00:46:29,039
Yes, I do.
912
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,500
I think everyone was
more interested in making money
913
00:46:32,542 --> 00:46:34,252
and protecting themselves
914
00:46:34,294 --> 00:46:37,797
rather than protecting
their patients.
915
00:46:41,718 --> 00:46:44,763
Thank you for the truth,
Dr. Henderson.
916
00:46:44,804 --> 00:46:47,098
No more questions.
917
00:46:47,140 --> 00:46:50,310
I'd like to add something.
918
00:46:50,352 --> 00:46:52,437
Redirect.
919
00:46:52,479 --> 00:46:55,982
Anything you'd like to add?
920
00:46:56,024 --> 00:46:59,444
Everyone knows
the first tenet
921
00:46:59,486 --> 00:47:02,989
of the Hippocratic Oath,
"First, do no harm".
922
00:47:04,032 --> 00:47:06,951
But there are others.
923
00:47:06,993 --> 00:47:10,288
"I will respect
the hard-won scientific gains
924
00:47:10,330 --> 00:47:14,542
of the physicians
in whose steps I've walked."
925
00:47:14,584 --> 00:47:16,044
He did not.
926
00:47:16,086 --> 00:47:18,630
"I will apply,
for the benefit of the sick,
927
00:47:18,672 --> 00:47:20,757
"all majors which are required,
928
00:47:20,799 --> 00:47:24,552
"avoiding those twin traps
of overtreatment
929
00:47:24,594 --> 00:47:26,513
and therapeutic nihilism."
930
00:47:26,554 --> 00:47:28,306
He did not.
931
00:47:28,348 --> 00:47:31,059
"I will not be ashamed
to say I know not,
932
00:47:31,101 --> 00:47:33,728
"nor will I fail to call them
my colleagues
933
00:47:33,770 --> 00:47:36,106
"when the skills of another
are needed
934
00:47:36,147 --> 00:47:39,693
for a patient's recovery."
935
00:47:39,734 --> 00:47:42,862
He did not.
936
00:47:42,904 --> 00:47:47,742
Had I performed
any of the 33 surgeries
937
00:47:47,784 --> 00:47:49,619
in the manner
that he performed them,
938
00:47:49,661 --> 00:47:51,705
I never would have
allowed myself
939
00:47:51,746 --> 00:47:56,167
into an operating room again.
940
00:47:56,209 --> 00:47:59,963
Any one of them.
941
00:48:00,005 --> 00:48:03,258
Not ever again.
942
00:48:17,981 --> 00:48:19,274
The State flooded you
943
00:48:19,315 --> 00:48:21,359
with every possible patient
they could,
944
00:48:21,401 --> 00:48:25,113
but Madeline Beyer's case
is the case the State chose
945
00:48:25,155 --> 00:48:28,199
to go to trial on,
so let's focus there.
946
00:48:28,241 --> 00:48:31,244
Now, according to the state,
Dr. Duntsch didn't head
947
00:48:31,286 --> 00:48:34,456
into Madeline Beyer's surgery
to fix her-
948
00:48:34,497 --> 00:48:36,332
he wanted to hurt her-
949
00:48:36,374 --> 00:48:38,960
but that's not
what the evidence shows.
950
00:48:39,002 --> 00:48:44,674
The evidence shows he was
a suboptimal surgeon.
951
00:48:45,258 --> 00:48:47,510
Now, are we trying
to blame the hospitals?
952
00:48:47,552 --> 00:48:48,762
No.
953
00:48:48,803 --> 00:48:50,305
Are we trying
to blame Dr. Skadden?
954
00:48:50,347 --> 00:48:52,932
No, but the State asked
time and time again,
955
00:48:52,974 --> 00:48:57,062
what would
a well-trained surgeon do?
956
00:48:57,103 --> 00:48:59,064
I mean, what did
Dr. Henderson tell you?
957
00:48:59,105 --> 00:49:01,900
He got on the phone,
called Skadden, and said,
958
00:49:01,941 --> 00:49:03,443
"Hey, we got this guy here.
959
00:49:03,485 --> 00:49:06,404
"It says he graduated
from your medical school,
960
00:49:06,446 --> 00:49:07,864
"went to your fellowship,
961
00:49:07,906 --> 00:49:10,408
and I need you
to stop recommending him."
962
00:49:10,450 --> 00:49:15,121
And Skadden replied, "Yes,
he did train at my fellowship.
963
00:49:15,163 --> 00:49:18,041
But I don't know what to do."
964
00:49:18,083 --> 00:49:20,335
Because Skadden
has figured out,
965
00:49:20,377 --> 00:49:23,588
"I screwed up.
I let him out."
966
00:49:23,630 --> 00:49:25,215
I mean, Jerry Summers told you,
967
00:49:25,256 --> 00:49:30,220
he let him out of surgeries
in order to do research.
968
00:49:30,261 --> 00:49:33,807
Now, you don't get to punish
Dr. Skadden.
969
00:49:33,848 --> 00:49:35,934
You don't get to punish Baylor.
970
00:49:35,975 --> 00:49:38,019
You don't get to punish
Dallas Medical,
971
00:49:38,061 --> 00:49:41,439
but you have the right to know
what they didn't do.
972
00:49:41,481 --> 00:49:44,526
They didn't report him.
973
00:49:44,567 --> 00:49:46,277
They didn't challenge him.
974
00:49:46,319 --> 00:49:48,446
They didn't tell him
that he was
975
00:49:48,488 --> 00:49:53,451
a suboptimal surgeon
who needs to find other work.
976
00:49:53,493 --> 00:49:56,454
If you're a teacher
and the children don't do well,
977
00:49:56,496 --> 00:50:00,417
your principal tells you
you're a suboptimal teacher.
978
00:50:00,458 --> 00:50:02,085
If you're a mechanic
979
00:50:02,127 --> 00:50:04,379
and the cars you're working on
keep breaking down,
980
00:50:04,421 --> 00:50:07,257
you're told you're
a suboptimal mechanic.
981
00:50:07,298 --> 00:50:11,553
If you're a pilot
and you can't land,
982
00:50:11,594 --> 00:50:15,140
well, you're told
you can't do this anymore.
983
00:50:15,181 --> 00:50:17,976
Well, Baylor does the opposite.
984
00:50:18,018 --> 00:50:21,062
They allow him to resign.
985
00:50:21,104 --> 00:50:22,897
And then they send
a clearing letter
986
00:50:22,939 --> 00:50:24,024
to Dallas Medical,
987
00:50:24,065 --> 00:50:26,443
who hires him and then watches
988
00:50:26,484 --> 00:50:29,571
as three surgeries
in as many days go bad.
989
00:50:29,612 --> 00:50:31,489
And what do they do?
990
00:50:31,531 --> 00:50:34,200
Nothing.
991
00:50:34,242 --> 00:50:35,910
They don't report him
992
00:50:35,952 --> 00:50:38,621
to the National Practitioner's
Data Bank
993
00:50:38,663 --> 00:50:40,373
or the Texas Medical Board.
994
00:50:40,415 --> 00:50:46,921
They allow this poorly-trained
suboptimal surgeon to move on.
995
00:50:49,174 --> 00:50:53,178
The system broke down
from the very beginning.
996
00:50:54,220 --> 00:50:57,057
Now, I don't envy your jobs.
997
00:50:57,098 --> 00:50:59,100
Both sides have
their own perceptions
998
00:50:59,142 --> 00:51:01,186
of-of what happened,
999
00:51:01,227 --> 00:51:05,023
but you're the sole judges
of the facts.
1000
00:51:05,065 --> 00:51:07,859
Render your verdict
according to the law,
1001
00:51:07,901 --> 00:51:09,444
not according to emotions
1002
00:51:09,486 --> 00:51:12,280
or sympathies
or sending a message.
1003
00:51:12,322 --> 00:51:14,991
It's about whether or not
the State has proven to you
1004
00:51:15,033 --> 00:51:18,078
that a crime was committed.
1005
00:51:18,119 --> 00:51:21,164
It was a failure.
1006
00:51:22,332 --> 00:51:25,710
It was a human failure,
1007
00:51:25,752 --> 00:51:31,633
a systemic failure,
1008
00:51:31,675 --> 00:51:34,344
but it wasn't a crime.
1009
00:51:35,762 --> 00:51:38,807
On July 25th, 2012,
1010
00:51:38,848 --> 00:51:42,560
Christopher Duntsch went into
surgery with Madeline Beyer,
1011
00:51:42,602 --> 00:51:44,062
an elderly individual.
1012
00:51:44,104 --> 00:51:46,648
He crippled her.
1013
00:51:46,690 --> 00:51:50,527
Pedicle screws,
drilled and redrilled.
1014
00:51:50,568 --> 00:51:54,948
Nerves shredded.
Leaking dural sacs.
1015
00:51:54,989 --> 00:51:57,575
Muscles hacked into.
1016
00:51:57,617 --> 00:52:00,036
These things happened.
1017
00:52:00,078 --> 00:52:03,540
But was it intentional?
1018
00:52:03,581 --> 00:52:06,710
How do you know
what he intended?
1019
00:52:06,751 --> 00:52:12,382
You look at what he does
before, during, and after.
1020
00:52:12,424 --> 00:52:15,969
He lied,
about "this is normal pain."
1021
00:52:16,011 --> 00:52:18,096
"This is something new.
1022
00:52:18,138 --> 00:52:20,348
"I didn't do this to you.
1023
00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:22,726
"It's simply swelling, Jerry.
1024
00:52:22,767 --> 00:52:25,228
"Surgery went fine, Madeline.
1025
00:52:25,270 --> 00:52:27,480
"It's the surgical team's
fault.
1026
00:52:27,522 --> 00:52:32,068
Your wives are dead,
Earl, Harold."
1027
00:52:34,821 --> 00:52:37,365
Look at them.
1028
00:52:37,407 --> 00:52:42,370
Look at the faces
of the lives that were ruined.
1029
00:52:42,412 --> 00:52:45,248
We didn't bring them to you
to have you convict him
1030
00:52:45,290 --> 00:52:47,459
based on sympathy.
1031
00:52:47,500 --> 00:52:50,295
We bring them to you
so that you can know
1032
00:52:50,337 --> 00:52:53,882
everything the defendant knew.
1033
00:52:53,923 --> 00:52:56,301
How many patients
should it take
1034
00:52:56,343 --> 00:53:00,555
before you know that what
you're doing is hurting people?
1035
00:53:01,806 --> 00:53:08,563
One, two, three?
1036
00:53:09,064 --> 00:53:12,609
You make your best friend
a quadriplegic?
1037
00:53:12,650 --> 00:53:17,655
Four, you kill?
Five, you kill?
1038
00:53:17,697 --> 00:53:19,824
Should I list all 33?
1039
00:53:19,866 --> 00:53:23,244
I want to call them tragedies,
1040
00:53:23,286 --> 00:53:27,832
but that implies no one
could have seen them coming.
1041
00:53:27,874 --> 00:53:30,794
These were assaults.
1042
00:53:30,835 --> 00:53:34,673
We're here talking
about Madeline Beyer.
1043
00:53:34,714 --> 00:53:38,468
I know you don't have a doubt
that when Christopher Duntsch
1044
00:53:38,510 --> 00:53:40,387
went into Madeline Beyer's
surgery,
1045
00:53:40,428 --> 00:53:45,141
he was reasonably certain
he was going to hurt her.
1046
00:53:45,183 --> 00:53:47,143
That's the standard of knowing.
1047
00:53:47,185 --> 00:53:50,438
Not that you know 100%,
1048
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,608
but that
you're reasonably certain.
1049
00:53:53,650 --> 00:53:57,946
The defense is implying
it was his training.
1050
00:53:57,987 --> 00:54:00,448
He was trained for 17 years
1051
00:54:00,490 --> 00:54:03,284
prior to operating
on Mrs. Beyer.
1052
00:54:03,326 --> 00:54:05,412
Trained at the University
of Tennessee.
1053
00:54:05,453 --> 00:54:07,747
Trained at Semmes-Murphey.
1054
00:54:07,789 --> 00:54:09,708
Institutions with doctors
1055
00:54:09,749 --> 00:54:12,669
who would not put
their reputations on the line
1056
00:54:12,711 --> 00:54:16,798
by recommending
a poorly trained surgeon.
1057
00:54:19,718 --> 00:54:24,264
Don't blame his training.
Blame him.
1058
00:54:24,305 --> 00:54:28,143
Don't blame the system.
Blame him.
1059
00:54:28,184 --> 00:54:32,522
He went into
all those operations.
1060
00:54:32,564 --> 00:54:36,609
He put the scalpels
to those patients' backs.
1061
00:54:36,651 --> 00:54:40,613
He kept going.
1062
00:54:40,655 --> 00:54:44,117
All these people.
1063
00:54:44,159 --> 00:54:47,537
If you're a human
who values life,
1064
00:54:47,579 --> 00:54:51,124
who understands suffering...
1065
00:54:51,166 --> 00:54:53,626
You heard Dr. Henderson.
1066
00:54:53,668 --> 00:54:56,755
One botched surgery,
just one,
1067
00:54:56,796 --> 00:55:01,634
and he never would have entered
the operating room ever again.
1068
00:55:02,469 --> 00:55:05,597
If you don't stop him,
1069
00:55:05,638 --> 00:55:10,018
Christopher Duntsch
will leave this courthouse,
1070
00:55:10,060 --> 00:55:13,438
leave this city, this state,
1071
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,775
maybe even this country,
1072
00:55:16,816 --> 00:55:19,652
and he will find
a corner of the world
1073
00:55:19,694 --> 00:55:24,574
that allows him
to continue hurting people.
1074
00:55:27,118 --> 00:55:32,082
Only you can tell him no more.
1075
00:55:39,297 --> 00:55:41,174
They don't understand.
1076
00:55:42,842 --> 00:55:46,137
All I wanna do
is go back to my research.
1077
00:55:46,179 --> 00:55:47,847
You gotta tell 'em, Dad.
1078
00:55:47,889 --> 00:55:51,267
I will never practice
surgery again.
1079
00:55:51,309 --> 00:55:54,020
If they let me,
I can still do good.
1080
00:55:54,062 --> 00:55:55,271
I can still help.
1081
00:55:55,313 --> 00:55:58,108
Just stop, okay?
1082
00:55:58,149 --> 00:55:59,859
It's time to stop.
1083
00:56:07,450 --> 00:56:11,413
We had these hardwood floors
when you were little.
1084
00:56:13,039 --> 00:56:15,709
Active, always active.
1085
00:56:15,750 --> 00:56:18,336
So energetic.
1086
00:56:18,378 --> 00:56:20,714
You were so strong.
1087
00:56:20,755 --> 00:56:24,426
You would push the furniture
around across these floors.
1088
00:56:26,094 --> 00:56:29,389
You never played with toys.
It was always the furniture.
1089
00:56:30,598 --> 00:56:32,684
And how many times
did I ask you
1090
00:56:32,726 --> 00:56:36,479
to stop it with the furniture?
1091
00:56:36,521 --> 00:56:38,773
But you wouldn't stop.
1092
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,902
You wouldn't stop.
1093
00:56:45,989 --> 00:56:50,869
Maybe jail's the best thing
for you, my boy.
1094
00:56:57,792 --> 00:57:00,754
You were less dull than
I thought you'd be.
1095
00:57:03,089 --> 00:57:05,050
You're too kind, Randy.
1096
00:57:05,091 --> 00:57:09,346
Probably blown
the whole case, but nice job.
1097
00:57:12,932 --> 00:57:17,687
We could have done more.
We should have done it more.
1098
00:57:17,729 --> 00:57:20,607
This is gonna happen again,
you know.
1099
00:57:20,648 --> 00:57:23,401
Suppose we could
do something.
1100
00:57:23,443 --> 00:57:26,488
I suppose we should.
1101
00:57:26,529 --> 00:57:28,490
Jury's back.
1102
00:57:28,531 --> 00:57:31,159
All right, well,
we got time for some hoops.
1103
00:57:31,201 --> 00:57:33,828
I wish.
1104
00:57:33,870 --> 00:57:37,582
We gonna win?
1105
00:57:42,295 --> 00:57:45,465
I don't know.
1106
00:57:50,970 --> 00:57:54,808
I'm sorry.
1107
00:57:54,849 --> 00:57:57,894
You did great.
1108
00:58:00,894 --> 00:58:04,894
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