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(sighs)
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- I really wish I'd played
my cards differently
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when dealing with that label.
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I would have honestly, if I
had known then what I know now,
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I would have never signed to them
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for anything
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because I lost two really
important people in my life
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out of paperwork.
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Over paperwork.
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Yeah.
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- [Dave] I played in a band with BJ,
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Matt played in a band with BJ,
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and Armine played in a separate band.
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Armine had a dance studio in Havertown,
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he was doing shows.
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And I think it was from a second
story window it was playing.
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I just jokingly said something like,
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"Why don't the four of us start a band?"
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I was like, "It'll be interesting."
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- And I swear, that Dave said
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we should start a joke grind core band.
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And I was all about it.
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(metal music)
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♫ Teamwork ♫
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- That was the initial concept,
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and then a couple weeks
after that we got together,
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and we just were talking about music
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and things that we liked,
and then started playing,
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and the exact opposite came out
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of what the initial idea was.
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- [Jesse] I met the other
guys in Rosetta through Mike.
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We shared a practice
space with Mike's band
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that he was in before Rosetta, Mikado.
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He comes in and tells
me he just saw this band
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which is basically Rosetta
without Mike Armine,
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and Mike was just getting in to
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bands like Isis and Neurosis.
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Just real loud, wall
of noise, heavy riffs.
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(metal music)
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And he wanted to do stuff more like that
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and these guys were doing
stuff in that genre.
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Less than a month later, he
was in a band with those guys.
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(metal music)
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Some bands that play that style of music
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have six, seven members. (laughs)
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And they're basically three
guys playing instruments
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and one guy doing electronic stuff.
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(metal music)
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They had to be a little bit more
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economical with their sound.
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And figure out how to
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have that vast sound they wanted.
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(guitar and drums playing)
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(clapping)
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- [Drew] Me and Armine, we were in bands
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that played together, and
we struck up a friendship
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that revolved around playing shows.
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Translation Loss at that point,
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I think we put out at
least five or six records.
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And I felt like they were
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the band that we should be working with.
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I just was very, very gung ho about it,
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we had to work with Rosetta, and it was,
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there was no other option,
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we just had to work with Rosetta.
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- [Christian] Mike just
gave us both demos,
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and maybe Drew listened to it first,
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and was like, "Oh, we gotta do this."
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And I remember I was totally in to it,
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but I didn't really care
for Rosetta a whole lot
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when I first, it was kind
of more a Drew thing.
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- We signed Rosetta.
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I'm not sure that I remember
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the process of signing them,
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it was just the fact that
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Christian was on board,
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and he believed that I believed
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that this band was something special.
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- [Jesse] It was just a natural fit.
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They were a label that
was just getting started,
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and they were looking for bands,
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and Rosetta was a new band.
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They are definitely what I would call
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a working-class band in the sense that
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they all have jobs.
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When they tour, they have to
accommodate their daily lives.
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- [Mike] They're giving
up their time to be
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with their families.
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- I've been emailing my parents,
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and like, they don't email me back.
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- [Camera man] yeah,
my Mom did that to me.
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- Dude, my sister's not...
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I'm being really, really good about
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emailing everybody at home,
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and they're just not emailing me back,
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so I don't care, whatever.
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- [Voiceover] It's not easy,
it's not easy for any band.
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- Alright, my people!
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- [Male Student] Didn't
really think he was
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a teacher at all.
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Like freshmen year, he just looks like
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a normal student, he's not a really big,
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he doesn't look too old,
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he just kind of resembles
a student in a way.
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- Look, what you feel
that's not my problems
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is your opinion.
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- [Female Student] He treats us like we're
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his intellectual equals as
opposed to just teaching us
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straight up facts and
having us memorize them.
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- [Mike] I need you to construct
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a letter to your Congressman outlining
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where the bill stands, who
is poised to vote on it,
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and most importantly,
what you think about it.
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- We've talked about things
that I would never talk about
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with other teachers, just because
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I would be afraid of getting in trouble
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or the class would just feel,
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the class would probably feel awkward.
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- Instead of this, what we could be doing
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is funneling more money into education.
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- I think Mr. Armine is Batman.
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- [Mike] To any susceptible...
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I'm a teacher first.
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If I wanted to tour
nine months of the year,
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it could be done.
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I don't want to.
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The impact that I'm having,
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or that I want to have on the world,
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is in this building.
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Not out on tour.
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- [Drew] Translation Loss is
a independent record label
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co-owned by two guys who just love music.
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The goal for Translation Loss, I think,
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was never to have a specific
genre that we cater to.
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It was just put out good music
that both of us really liked.
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- I work for a manufacturing plant
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that manufactures different
types of insulation.
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I would love to just do
Translation Loss full time.
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It's a love thing,
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not a thing that's gonna help me put
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my kids in college and
put food on the table
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at night and stuff like that.
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Absolutely not.
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- [Sean] Being in a band is
very much like a marriage.
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You have to love them in a way that you,
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you set things in up in advance,
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and you just treat it like a relationship.
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It's not just four dudes hanging out.
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- [BJ] One of the first tours we did,
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it was sort of the test of,
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well, will we,
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will we survive touring with each other?
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- There was a string of about seven shows
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that were bad, we got ripped off
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by a couple promoters.
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- You go and you play a show
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and there's probably 35 people there,
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and all of those people
paid to get in to the show,
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but the guy at the door polled the door
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and he found out that,
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"Oh wait, nobody actually
came to see your band,
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"they were all here to see the other band
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"so I'm not gonna pay you anything."
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- There have been moments where
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we're faced with that decision,
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do we cancel tour now
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and drive home,
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or do we continue on to the next show
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and chance it being as
shitty as the last three?
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- [Dave] Me and Brett
from against the wall,
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I think we stayed up late drinking
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and then just like,
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fell asleep in their van,
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which was parked next to a dumpster,
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and there were flies
all in the van all night
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because it was hot,
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and we had to leave the windows down.
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I don't even remember where the dudes
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in my band slept.
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Early in the morning,
the dudes in Opus Dei
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run down and they're like,
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"The toilet's overflowing,
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"and there's water all over the place."
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It was just a bad day,
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and the show was terrible.
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- [Mike] We were just like, look,
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we can go on to the next three shows
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and make it home, or we could just
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count our losses and drive home.
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And three of us counted,
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we were like, "We're gonna leave now."
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And Dave stayed and hung out.
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Three of us just went home.
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- It just, when are there mini crises
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that form on tour, and then those things
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seem to always hit on the same night
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as you have an off
night, and the club owner
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or the promoter is a jerk, and...
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you're just like, "Man, I don't even know
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"why I bother with this."
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- [Mike] We were driving through Canada,
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and we were talking about religion
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and some troubles that he was having
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with faith, and he sort
of admitted to me that
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he felt closer to God
playing his guitar in Rosetta
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than he felt at church.
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If you can equate playing in Rosetta
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to be being at church,
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he must really find some sort
of self-fulfillment in this.
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- In some respects, Rosetta might be
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the most selfish thing
that I'm involved in.
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That being said, maybe there's nothing
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that is more pertinent to my spirituality
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than Rosetta, because Rosetta
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might be where the great bulk
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of my identity formation is happening now.
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- Music has been a conduit,
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where I've tried to,
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to be of use to other people
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at least as far as maybe bringing
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some hope to them,
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giving them something
that they can listen to
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that stirs something in their heart
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that they wouldn't feel otherwise,
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being like a positive
presence in people's lives
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even if you haven't
ever met them in person.
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(birds chirping)
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- Drew took a special
interest in our band.
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He wanted to manage the band.
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He was really interjecting
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in areas that
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were honestly none of his business.
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- [Drew] There's this band
where I see limitless potential.
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And I'm pushing as hard as I can
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to help them produce amazing records,
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produce awareness.
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- [Mike] He thought he
was doing the best thing
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by giving us a piece of advice.
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- This band's amazing, everyone needs
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to know about this band, and we need to
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get them out there, I need
to get them bigger tours,
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I need get them more press,
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I need to get them everywhere.
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I secured amazing press for them,
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they had a two page feature
in Decibel magazine.
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There was a CMJ showcase
that Rosetta played
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and I brought the magazine in,
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and I showed all the guys,
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I was like, "Ah, this amazing
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"coverage, two page spread for Rosetta!"
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And Matt was like bummed.
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He was kind of bummed about it
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because he was like, "Oh,
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"I didn't think we want
these photos used."
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I mean I think that really helped to
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get them to where they are now,
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but maybe that wasn't what they wanted.
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- My name is Bruce McMurtrie
and I am everything.
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- Does BJ have hobbies?
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(video game shooting)
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BJ doesn't have hobbies in the way that
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baby boomers would define hobbies.
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BJ does not distinguish
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between vocation and hobbies.
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- Put his hands to his face--
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- [Camera man] Oh my God!
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- Smelling the gloves.
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- As far as I can tell,
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there's no difference in the intensity
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that BJ puts in to
making and editing video
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versus playing video games.
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BJ lives on the internet.
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Like he lives in the
coming cyber punk dystopia
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in a way that none of us do yet.
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And that's the think, is you could,
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maybe you could spend time worrying about,
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is this affecting BJ negatively?
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But I don't think it works that way,
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I think that BJ might be affecting
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the internet negatively.
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- The court jester.
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("In the Hall of the Mountain
King" by Edvard Grieg)
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(imitates drums)
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Can you hear me through my beard?
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They respect the fact that I just
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do what I do, and I am who I am, and...
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- [Matt] BJ, do you want
to sing the top part
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or the second part?
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(laughs)
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- What you're going to hear about today
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is nothing short of a miracle.
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Life in three dimensions.
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(calm music)
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- So it's a double disc,
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the first disc is all contemporary songs,
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and then the second disc is
all soundscapes and noise.
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You can play them
together at the same time.
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It was a landmark occasion in
release for Translation Loss
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because it was the first
release Rosetta put out,
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but also the first time
that Translation Loss
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released a record of that magnitude.
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- When we put out the Galilean Satellites,
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that was when things were at
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their best.
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- I can't think of anybody
else who would have taken
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a dumb local band that had
played four shows or something,
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and say, "Hey, we'll put out your record."
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And then when that band plays a half dozen
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more shows, and then comes back and says,
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"Hey, can we do a double
disc that syncs up?"
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Who in their right mind would say yes
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to something like that?
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Even the freedom that was afforded to us
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to work with better graphic
artists for example,
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than we might have been able to otherwise.
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I totally dorked out when I was, what,
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twenty years old and Aaron Turner's gonna
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do the artwork for my band's first album
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that's a double disc?
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That's just crazy, nobody gets to do that.
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That's great!
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(mysterious music)
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- [Mike] Well I grew up not knowing
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who my biological father was.
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And that has always
been this really weird,
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haunting echo in my brain.
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Are you who you are
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because you were raised by your mother
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and her sisters and all your great aunts?
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Or are you the way that you are
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because it's genetic?
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Like are you really your father's son?
333
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Because my mother has always been like,
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"Oh man, there's so much about you
335
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"that's like your father.
336
00:21:53,353 --> 00:21:56,200
"So much, you're so much
like your father sometimes.
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"You're stubborn, you're manipulative,
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"you're a sweet talker.
339
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"There's so much about you
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"that reminds me of him,
341
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"and you've never met him."
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Which was so scary to her.
343
00:22:16,317 --> 00:22:18,937
I think I could've used him
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to help me get through that hump.
345
00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:25,417
Because I wrote him in 2006,
346
00:22:25,860 --> 00:22:27,177
and he wrote me an email
347
00:22:28,764 --> 00:22:30,162
that was basically like,
348
00:22:30,162 --> 00:22:32,477
"Hey, I'm glad you're well,
349
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"but some doors are best kept shut
350
00:22:36,242 --> 00:22:37,629
"and we shouldn't open this
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"particular relationship."
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- Somewhere in between all there,
353
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there's the split with Balboa.
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- We wanted to do a split with them
355
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because they had toured with us,
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they were really good friends.
357
00:23:15,339 --> 00:23:18,240
Drew was one of the
founders of Translation Loss
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and he played drums in Balboa,
359
00:23:19,819 --> 00:23:21,984
so there were just so
many deep connections
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00:23:21,984 --> 00:23:23,767
with those guys.
361
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- [Drew] Three songs from
Balboa, two songs from Rosetta,
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and one collaboration track
called Project Mercury,
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00:23:29,745 --> 00:23:31,506
which was the title of
the release as well.
364
00:23:32,710 --> 00:23:34,363
We were sharing a practice
space at the time,
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so it was easy to do a collaboration,
366
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just get together.
367
00:23:39,078 --> 00:23:41,189
- [Drew] This was a
cohesive piece of music
368
00:23:41,189 --> 00:23:43,515
that was created by all parties involved
369
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from start to finish.
370
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- So that was a really good experience
371
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for everybody that was involved with it.
372
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It was something where
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at the end of it, it really
felt like it reflected
374
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the vision collectively of both bands
375
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rather than just a hodgepodge
of different things.
376
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It felt integrated in a way
that everybody was really into.
377
00:24:04,192 --> 00:24:05,523
- It really came together
378
00:24:06,993 --> 00:24:07,585
beautifully.
379
00:24:07,585 --> 00:24:09,090
It was cool.
380
00:24:20,075 --> 00:24:21,888
- [Jesse] And then Wake/Lift is just
381
00:24:21,888 --> 00:24:24,010
a fucking monster of an album.
382
00:24:33,503 --> 00:24:34,687
- [Eduardo] There I thought the band
383
00:24:34,687 --> 00:24:36,283
really found their identity.
384
00:24:36,911 --> 00:24:38,671
I do think that their distinction is in
385
00:24:38,671 --> 00:24:41,776
the density of layers that
they really operate in.
386
00:24:48,419 --> 00:24:51,321
I thought Rosetta really
found a good balance
387
00:24:51,321 --> 00:24:55,246
of both the extreme aggressive part
388
00:24:55,246 --> 00:24:56,969
of what they wanted to do,
389
00:24:59,229 --> 00:25:01,202
and started really separating that
390
00:25:01,202 --> 00:25:03,808
from the more ambient, atmospheric
391
00:25:03,808 --> 00:25:06,205
moments where they were very melodic.
392
00:25:07,545 --> 00:25:09,564
- [Jesse] The music is
heavy and oppressive,
393
00:25:10,701 --> 00:25:13,256
and as heavy and oppressive as any band
394
00:25:13,256 --> 00:25:15,347
in that genre of music,
395
00:25:15,347 --> 00:25:17,364
but they're not a dark band.
396
00:25:21,585 --> 00:25:24,445
- That contrast between dark and light
397
00:25:24,445 --> 00:25:26,280
was where I think they really
398
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:27,700
hit their stride on that record.
399
00:25:30,951 --> 00:25:35,209
- [Jesse] I think it's really
easy for a band to be dark.
400
00:25:36,370 --> 00:25:38,439
You're a heavy band, you're a dark band.
401
00:25:38,439 --> 00:25:41,261
Sometimes that goes hand in hand.
402
00:25:41,261 --> 00:25:43,842
The thing with Rosetta
that I find engaging,
403
00:25:43,842 --> 00:25:45,390
they're not a dark band.
404
00:25:49,367 --> 00:25:53,933
They have a very positive,
uplifting vibe to their music.
405
00:25:55,222 --> 00:25:58,466
(mysterious music)
406
00:26:16,203 --> 00:26:19,068
- [DJ] The friendship waned the more
407
00:26:19,068 --> 00:26:23,678
the business side of
things started to upset us.
408
00:26:26,421 --> 00:26:28,959
- If things got strained,
it was just because
409
00:26:28,959 --> 00:26:31,745
I wanted the best for them
that I could do for them.
410
00:26:32,906 --> 00:26:34,858
- It's a business, it is.
411
00:26:34,858 --> 00:26:36,244
It's something I love doing,
412
00:26:36,244 --> 00:26:38,240
but it's definitely a business.
413
00:26:43,444 --> 00:26:45,640
(drumming)
414
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,435
- So there's BJ, who's
the drummer of Rosetta.
415
00:26:49,106 --> 00:26:51,592
(drumming)
416
00:26:52,796 --> 00:26:55,612
- [Jesse] BJ is definitely
very key in the way
417
00:26:55,612 --> 00:26:58,554
the songs flow and move and build.
418
00:27:00,231 --> 00:27:02,252
(drumming)
419
00:27:02,252 --> 00:27:05,570
- [Drew] He is an amazing
core to that band.
420
00:27:07,275 --> 00:27:08,689
- I think BJ's drumming,
421
00:27:08,689 --> 00:27:10,554
the spastic, almost jazzy,
422
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:14,062
it always sounds like
everything's gonna just,
423
00:27:14,062 --> 00:27:16,131
like they're on the verge of losing it,
424
00:27:16,131 --> 00:27:16,806
and they don't.
425
00:27:16,806 --> 00:27:18,664
And I think it builds attention.
426
00:27:19,548 --> 00:27:22,285
(drumming)
427
00:27:22,285 --> 00:27:23,471
- BJ's a busy drummer,
428
00:27:23,471 --> 00:27:26,074
but he's one of the few
that can really hold it down
429
00:27:26,074 --> 00:27:27,589
and stay in the pocket.
430
00:27:28,260 --> 00:27:30,840
- [Voiceover] I think it adds
a cool element to the mix.
431
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,904
It gives some competition
to Matt's guitar work.
432
00:27:35,518 --> 00:27:37,283
- [Drew] His playing's so intense,
433
00:27:40,250 --> 00:27:42,914
it's probably the most enjoyable thing
434
00:27:42,914 --> 00:27:46,212
that you will see when
you go see Rosetta play.
435
00:27:47,437 --> 00:27:49,966
He is hands down my
favorite part of Rosetta.
436
00:27:55,266 --> 00:27:58,584
(calm music)
437
00:28:46,644 --> 00:28:48,671
The relationship itself I guess,
438
00:28:48,671 --> 00:28:50,447
wasn't the best that I want it to be,
439
00:28:50,447 --> 00:28:51,508
and that really sucked,
440
00:28:51,508 --> 00:28:56,508
but I think the best
thing that came out of it
441
00:28:56,713 --> 00:28:59,803
was me kind of removing myself
442
00:28:59,809 --> 00:29:03,189
from that business aspect.
443
00:29:03,189 --> 00:29:06,089
And so Christian kind of,
444
00:29:06,089 --> 00:29:08,084
he stepped up,
445
00:29:08,084 --> 00:29:09,524
I think he knew how close of friends
446
00:29:09,524 --> 00:29:10,804
me and Armine were,
447
00:29:10,804 --> 00:29:14,750
and just kind of, he kind of created--
448
00:29:14,750 --> 00:29:16,329
Or not...
449
00:29:16,329 --> 00:29:18,536
He didn't create, but he,
450
00:29:18,536 --> 00:29:20,670
he facilitated the business aspect
451
00:29:20,670 --> 00:29:22,899
between Translation Loss and Rosetta,
452
00:29:22,899 --> 00:29:24,968
and that was huge for me,
453
00:29:24,968 --> 00:29:27,219
because it helped me remove myself
454
00:29:27,972 --> 00:29:30,955
from the business aspect with the band,
455
00:29:30,955 --> 00:29:33,200
I just wanted to love,
456
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,718
wanted to just kind of hang out with.
457
00:29:40,943 --> 00:29:43,536
- I think Dave is an incredible musician.
458
00:29:48,025 --> 00:29:49,550
- He learns how to play bass
459
00:29:49,550 --> 00:29:51,109
when he starts in play in the band.
460
00:29:53,550 --> 00:29:56,174
- I think Dave didn't even
own a bass at that time.
461
00:29:56,174 --> 00:29:58,724
When we started, he was
borrowing a bass from somebody.
462
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,457
(practicing with metronome)
463
00:30:08,963 --> 00:30:10,319
(laughs)
464
00:30:10,328 --> 00:30:12,262
- Just from playing ability,
465
00:30:12,262 --> 00:30:14,578
I'm probably above average
and no better than that.
466
00:30:15,206 --> 00:30:17,010
- I don't trust him.
467
00:30:20,795 --> 00:30:22,033
- [Mike] He will never give himself
468
00:30:22,033 --> 00:30:23,750
the credit that he deserves.
469
00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:25,490
That's something that
I've learned about him.
470
00:30:26,096 --> 00:30:27,410
He won't do it.
471
00:30:32,293 --> 00:30:34,053
- I'm glad that he's not just like,
472
00:30:34,053 --> 00:30:35,706
"Oh, I'm the best player ever."
473
00:30:35,706 --> 00:30:37,701
But I wish he at least
wouldn't go the other way
474
00:30:37,701 --> 00:30:40,348
and be like, "Oh, I'm replaceable."
475
00:30:43,439 --> 00:30:45,253
- I mean there's other
aspects that go into a band,
476
00:30:45,253 --> 00:30:48,218
like songs and passion, whether
you connect with people,
477
00:30:48,218 --> 00:30:49,868
you can't control that.
478
00:30:49,868 --> 00:30:52,875
Those other things, I
think that I'm better at.
479
00:30:53,545 --> 00:30:55,893
(singing)
480
00:30:58,591 --> 00:30:59,998
- I don't think this band would survive
481
00:30:59,998 --> 00:31:02,346
with anything other than Dave on bass.
482
00:31:13,534 --> 00:31:16,436
(electronic music)
483
00:31:33,906 --> 00:31:36,018
- That was a big moment
for Rosetta I think,
484
00:31:36,018 --> 00:31:38,610
because it was the first time that Rosetta
485
00:31:38,610 --> 00:31:41,577
actually let someone else record them
486
00:31:41,577 --> 00:31:43,324
from start from finish.
487
00:31:44,741 --> 00:31:46,853
Being that Wake/Lift was more,
488
00:31:46,853 --> 00:31:49,061
it was a much more raw production,
489
00:31:49,061 --> 00:31:50,714
and I felt like it might be good
490
00:31:50,714 --> 00:31:52,081
to go in a more different direction.
491
00:31:53,242 --> 00:31:54,960
I was really into this
guy Andrew Schneider
492
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,445
from New York, he produced
the unseen record,
493
00:31:57,445 --> 00:31:59,566
which sounds amazing, he did Pelican.
494
00:32:00,674 --> 00:32:02,978
We were under a time
crunch during the sessions
495
00:32:02,978 --> 00:32:07,671
for Determinism, and part
of that process was just
496
00:32:07,671 --> 00:32:11,918
finding our own limits
personally around...
497
00:32:12,567 --> 00:32:15,031
It's such a crush, it's so intense,
498
00:32:15,031 --> 00:32:16,579
it's so relentless.
499
00:32:17,164 --> 00:32:19,597
(Mike singing)
500
00:32:22,841 --> 00:32:25,698
- Let's do it one more time from the top,
501
00:32:25,698 --> 00:32:26,764
remember where,
502
00:32:26,764 --> 00:32:30,551
remember what the pattern is you're doing,
503
00:32:30,551 --> 00:32:31,820
try and see if you can get one
504
00:32:31,820 --> 00:32:33,100
that goes into the heavy part,
505
00:32:33,100 --> 00:32:34,527
and then we'll double it that way.
506
00:32:34,527 --> 00:32:35,766
- Ok.
507
00:32:36,340 --> 00:32:37,663
- At the end of the day being relieved
508
00:32:37,663 --> 00:32:39,359
that you're not also the person
509
00:32:39,359 --> 00:32:40,688
who's sitting behind the board
510
00:32:40,688 --> 00:32:42,389
in the control room.
511
00:32:42,392 --> 00:32:44,218
Being relieved of that responsibility,
512
00:32:44,218 --> 00:32:45,655
and being able to focus
on the performances
513
00:32:45,655 --> 00:32:47,308
with somebody's who's there to actually
514
00:32:47,308 --> 00:32:48,790
push you and coach you through it,
515
00:32:48,790 --> 00:32:50,625
and to say when enough is enough,
516
00:32:50,625 --> 00:32:51,692
versus to do say,
517
00:32:51,692 --> 00:32:53,133
"You need to do it again."
518
00:32:54,305 --> 00:32:56,183
It was a pretty intense period of time.
519
00:33:02,539 --> 00:33:03,862
- That's still to this day,
520
00:33:03,862 --> 00:33:05,516
easily my favorite Rosetta record.
521
00:33:28,244 --> 00:33:30,752
(water bubbling)
522
00:33:30,752 --> 00:33:33,812
- That year, Rosetta had
523
00:33:33,812 --> 00:33:36,670
a pretty disastrous summer tour,
524
00:33:36,670 --> 00:33:38,410
lost an enormous amount of money.
525
00:33:42,099 --> 00:33:44,521
My wife and I had closed on a house,
526
00:33:44,521 --> 00:33:47,347
and the day that we moved
into the house after the tour,
527
00:33:47,347 --> 00:33:49,235
I found out that my Dad had cancer,
528
00:33:49,235 --> 00:33:50,280
and then two months later I found out
529
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:51,871
that my Mom had cancer.
530
00:33:57,469 --> 00:33:59,026
That November was my sort of
531
00:33:59,026 --> 00:34:01,978
first Thanksgiving with dealing with
532
00:34:01,978 --> 00:34:04,252
the mortality of my parents.
533
00:34:07,877 --> 00:34:10,341
And in my mind, during that period,
534
00:34:10,341 --> 00:34:12,595
I just had so many other more
important things going on
535
00:34:12,595 --> 00:34:14,052
in my life than writing songs
536
00:34:14,052 --> 00:34:15,789
for the next Rosetta album.
537
00:34:22,806 --> 00:34:25,612
(metal music)
538
00:34:51,492 --> 00:34:52,927
- I don't think the relationship
539
00:34:52,927 --> 00:34:55,102
was as good as it could have been,
540
00:34:55,102 --> 00:34:57,493
and it kinda broke my heart a little bit.
541
00:35:05,689 --> 00:35:08,286
- [Mike] The stress of Rosetta
542
00:35:08,286 --> 00:35:09,805
and trying to get what we want
543
00:35:09,805 --> 00:35:11,605
while they try to get what they want
544
00:35:12,958 --> 00:35:17,342
has really kind of broken apart
545
00:35:17,342 --> 00:35:18,747
the bounds of friendship,
546
00:35:18,747 --> 00:35:20,690
and replaced it with a business agreement.
547
00:35:20,708 --> 00:35:22,009
The contracts are stronger now than
548
00:35:22,009 --> 00:35:25,849
the bonds of friendship,
and that's a bummer.
549
00:35:39,873 --> 00:35:41,249
- [Mike] This is gonna be so interesting,
550
00:35:41,249 --> 00:35:43,682
getting this out of here.
551
00:35:50,529 --> 00:35:51,691
Straighten it out,
552
00:35:51,691 --> 00:35:53,089
straight,
553
00:35:53,089 --> 00:35:54,338
you're good.
554
00:35:54,815 --> 00:35:55,716
Ah stop!
555
00:35:57,238 --> 00:35:58,084
Stop!
556
00:35:59,533 --> 00:36:01,176
Now you're,
557
00:36:01,176 --> 00:36:02,071
now it's touching.
558
00:36:02,071 --> 00:36:03,752
Go up a little bit and
try and straighten it out.
559
00:36:03,752 --> 00:36:06,909
- Hey I got a solution,
I'm deadly serious,
560
00:36:06,909 --> 00:36:08,008
everyone out of the van,
561
00:36:08,008 --> 00:36:09,716
we're picking up this fucking car.
562
00:36:21,447 --> 00:36:24,275
(metal music)
563
00:37:04,659 --> 00:37:09,141
- I can't believe that
I'm in Russia right now.
564
00:37:10,323 --> 00:37:12,906
This is the final march
of capitalism right here.
565
00:37:14,067 --> 00:37:16,799
(metal music)
566
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,074
- Flossing!
567
00:37:41,074 --> 00:37:43,155
I care about oral hygiene.
568
00:37:44,338 --> 00:37:47,155
(metal music)
569
00:39:24,967 --> 00:39:28,350
(calm music)
570
00:39:36,113 --> 00:39:39,782
- We all used to be really,
really, really good friends
571
00:39:39,782 --> 00:39:42,845
with the people at
Translation Loss, friends.
572
00:39:46,353 --> 00:39:48,347
We used to hang out, tour together,
573
00:39:48,347 --> 00:39:50,716
play shows together, go to shows together.
574
00:39:53,872 --> 00:39:55,120
Drew Juergens and I used to have these
575
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,607
sushi-eating contests, who could eat more.
576
00:40:07,096 --> 00:40:08,469
We don't do that anymore.
577
00:40:09,662 --> 00:40:12,415
(calm music)
578
00:40:19,432 --> 00:40:22,056
We had asked them for a thousand dollars
579
00:40:22,056 --> 00:40:24,660
to help us fix our van, and
580
00:40:26,845 --> 00:40:31,348
they said, "Sure, if you re-sign."
581
00:40:33,554 --> 00:40:35,431
We gotta fix the band, we gotta tour.
582
00:40:35,431 --> 00:40:37,586
No one else is batting down the door.
583
00:40:37,586 --> 00:40:38,748
We certainly don't have money
584
00:40:38,748 --> 00:40:41,255
to put out a record on our own,
585
00:40:41,255 --> 00:40:42,488
so we might as well do this.
586
00:40:42,488 --> 00:40:44,982
We fixed the van and the money never came.
587
00:40:44,991 --> 00:40:46,465
- I do think that it's kind of a bummer
588
00:40:46,465 --> 00:40:48,630
to tell somebody that they're
going to get something
589
00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:50,434
and then not give it to them.
590
00:40:53,291 --> 00:40:56,315
- We didn't ask for that
van thing in writing.
591
00:40:56,315 --> 00:40:57,988
I swore that we did.
592
00:41:02,488 --> 00:41:04,749
And I remember looking for that
593
00:41:04,749 --> 00:41:06,765
Translation Loss agrees to pay Rosetta
594
00:41:06,765 --> 00:41:08,601
1,000 dollars to help them fix their van.
595
00:41:14,754 --> 00:41:15,502
And then one day I was like,
596
00:41:15,502 --> 00:41:17,275
"Dude, it's not in there."
597
00:41:18,201 --> 00:41:21,264
(calm music)
598
00:41:35,150 --> 00:41:37,402
(clapping)
599
00:41:39,288 --> 00:41:41,517
And we were stuck in this contract.
600
00:41:41,517 --> 00:41:43,695
That was the straw that
broke the camel's back.
601
00:41:57,815 --> 00:42:00,855
- It gradually got better,
602
00:42:00,855 --> 00:42:01,836
and I thought that was amazing,
603
00:42:01,836 --> 00:42:03,895
because I didn't...
604
00:42:03,895 --> 00:42:05,665
Here's a band that was,
605
00:42:05,665 --> 00:42:08,568
this whole relationship
was strictly based on love.
606
00:42:17,991 --> 00:42:19,516
It's like, I just love this band.
607
00:42:27,664 --> 00:42:29,143
Yeah, I'm sorry.
608
00:42:36,891 --> 00:42:39,720
- [Mike] I was trying to do
what was best for everybody.
609
00:42:40,998 --> 00:42:42,438
I tried to give TL what they wanted
610
00:42:42,438 --> 00:42:44,375
while giving my bandmates
what they wanted.
611
00:42:46,034 --> 00:42:48,631
I learned the hard way
that that's not possible.
612
00:42:51,929 --> 00:42:54,002
I would hate to work with another label
613
00:42:54,832 --> 00:42:56,712
and have that be the same case.
614
00:42:58,706 --> 00:43:00,522
I'd much rather keep it in house.
615
00:43:19,581 --> 00:43:22,345
(cars driving past)
616
00:43:39,847 --> 00:43:41,543
- Oh, I'm gonna get this thing home
617
00:43:41,543 --> 00:43:44,082
and strip it for everything it's worth.
618
00:43:59,210 --> 00:44:02,213
- I actually haven't spoken
to Mike in a little while.
619
00:44:04,441 --> 00:44:06,671
They have a new EP they're working on.
620
00:44:08,643 --> 00:44:11,076
(mellow music)
621
00:44:21,485 --> 00:44:23,245
- When they're done that EP,
622
00:44:23,245 --> 00:44:25,571
we'll put it out, and it'll be awesome.
623
00:44:30,327 --> 00:44:32,695
I guess it's technically the last release
624
00:44:32,695 --> 00:44:34,893
of the contract that we have.
625
00:44:34,893 --> 00:44:36,751
Hopefully in the future we can do more.
626
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,184
- [Christian] We've continuously gone back
627
00:44:44,184 --> 00:44:46,915
and done things for a decade plus.
628
00:44:49,282 --> 00:44:51,309
That means a lot to me.
629
00:44:51,309 --> 00:44:53,004
Kind of almost sneaks up on you,
630
00:44:53,004 --> 00:44:54,210
like holy shit, we've been doing this
631
00:44:54,210 --> 00:44:56,579
with you guys for ten years.
632
00:45:11,254 --> 00:45:13,431
- [Christian] I think
they're the real deal, man.
633
00:45:14,294 --> 00:45:16,662
A lot of conviction
behind what they're doing,
634
00:45:16,662 --> 00:45:19,403
and that's probably
something they just feel
635
00:45:19,403 --> 00:45:21,184
like they have to do at this point,
636
00:45:21,184 --> 00:45:22,486
because they've been doing it for so long,
637
00:45:22,486 --> 00:45:23,921
and that's something to be...
638
00:45:25,696 --> 00:45:26,759
I respect that.
639
00:45:33,104 --> 00:45:35,290
- [Matt] The decision to go independent
640
00:45:35,290 --> 00:45:37,125
was the right decision,
641
00:45:37,125 --> 00:45:40,538
not because Translation Loss was a bad,
642
00:45:40,538 --> 00:45:42,991
evil, inhospitable place for us to be,
643
00:45:42,991 --> 00:45:45,476
so much as that what we learned
644
00:45:45,476 --> 00:45:48,004
while we were on that label
645
00:45:49,615 --> 00:45:52,163
taught us that this is right way to go.
646
00:45:56,466 --> 00:45:58,555
- We are gonna have 100 percent control
647
00:45:58,555 --> 00:46:01,180
over everything we do,
648
00:46:01,180 --> 00:46:02,718
and we're not that big.
649
00:46:19,505 --> 00:46:21,873
You know, bands like Radiohead
and Nine Inch Nails do this,
650
00:46:21,873 --> 00:46:23,057
but for us to do it?
651
00:46:23,057 --> 00:46:25,372
I'm pretty excited to see the outcome.
652
00:46:44,762 --> 00:46:46,182
- [DJ] Hello!
653
00:46:56,152 --> 00:47:00,379
- [DJ] We are at Studio G in Brooklyn.
654
00:47:01,999 --> 00:47:03,355
And it's quite nice.
655
00:47:03,355 --> 00:47:05,659
And it's air-conditioned.
656
00:47:05,659 --> 00:47:07,260
I like air-conditioning.
657
00:47:17,646 --> 00:47:19,350
- [Mike] I feel like
I'm at NASA headquarters
658
00:47:19,350 --> 00:47:20,885
with all this stuff.
659
00:47:22,723 --> 00:47:25,503
Matt, what would happen
if I turn this knob?
660
00:47:25,503 --> 00:47:27,455
- Don't touch anything.
661
00:47:27,455 --> 00:47:28,854
(laughs)
662
00:47:30,026 --> 00:47:32,929
(mellow music)
663
00:47:37,994 --> 00:47:40,262
- I think the sound is
gonna be a departure
664
00:47:40,262 --> 00:47:42,800
from what people are used to
665
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,095
in terms of a typical Rosetta record.
666
00:47:46,299 --> 00:47:48,667
- We wanted to have similarities
667
00:47:48,667 --> 00:47:50,640
to stuff we've done before,
668
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,946
but we also want it to be really dirty,
669
00:47:53,946 --> 00:47:55,941
and we want it to be really heavy
670
00:47:55,941 --> 00:47:58,054
and thick and crushing.
671
00:47:59,631 --> 00:48:01,969
(heavy music)
672
00:48:46,483 --> 00:48:47,789
- I hate to be a pain,
but you can't give me
673
00:48:47,789 --> 00:48:49,462
any music to follow?
674
00:48:50,677 --> 00:48:53,601
♫ Embrace and share in the moment ♫
675
00:48:55,135 --> 00:48:57,334
(whispering) Sweet wayfarer.
676
00:48:57,898 --> 00:48:59,936
♫ Sing its praise ♫
677
00:49:02,559 --> 00:49:04,512
Oh, listen to this.
678
00:49:05,076 --> 00:49:07,552
♫ Come and rest your woes
679
00:49:08,926 --> 00:49:11,498
♫ Sweet wayfarer ♫
680
00:49:11,924 --> 00:49:13,727
(whispering)
681
00:49:14,473 --> 00:49:18,379
♫ Come rest from burden's embrace ♫
682
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:21,825
I need to get water.
683
00:49:28,629 --> 00:49:30,977
♫ Quietly weeping
684
00:49:34,452 --> 00:49:37,238
♫ Allow me to express
685
00:49:39,188 --> 00:49:40,928
♫ My ways
686
00:49:45,716 --> 00:49:48,597
♫ A creed of isolation
687
00:49:50,983 --> 00:49:53,491
♫ In silhouettes ♫
688
00:49:57,063 --> 00:50:00,456
(gentle music)
689
00:50:20,964 --> 00:50:22,441
- [Dave] The future of the band
690
00:50:22,441 --> 00:50:24,159
is riding on this record.
691
00:50:39,410 --> 00:50:40,946
This pretty much was the last time
692
00:50:40,946 --> 00:50:42,985
we could all invest
personal money into it.
693
00:50:53,298 --> 00:50:55,059
- I'm not a rich man.
694
00:50:57,411 --> 00:51:00,400
- [Mike] Because we've
put ten years into this,
695
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,189
if we can't survive
sustainably at this point,
696
00:51:04,169 --> 00:51:07,188
sadly, there's not a lot of
697
00:51:07,188 --> 00:51:09,929
reason to keep pumping time and energy
698
00:51:09,929 --> 00:51:14,014
into what is essentially a bona fide hobby
699
00:51:14,014 --> 00:51:16,127
that is extremely expensive.
700
00:51:20,232 --> 00:51:21,768
- If the album does not recoup,
701
00:51:21,768 --> 00:51:24,627
there is no money to
tour or make more albums,
702
00:51:24,627 --> 00:51:26,781
and so it's just gonna be a long time
703
00:51:26,781 --> 00:51:28,414
where we don't do anything.
704
00:51:29,853 --> 00:51:32,615
- [Mike] Being in a band stalls your life.
705
00:51:32,615 --> 00:51:34,866
You can't do this other stuff
706
00:51:34,866 --> 00:51:36,349
that life is calling you to do,
707
00:51:36,349 --> 00:51:38,236
because you're touring, you're recording,
708
00:51:38,236 --> 00:51:40,999
you're playing shows, you're busy
709
00:51:40,999 --> 00:51:43,251
sculpting this entity.
710
00:51:50,161 --> 00:51:52,294
- The only thing that's still in my life
711
00:51:52,294 --> 00:51:54,065
that was in my life when Rosetta started
712
00:51:54,065 --> 00:51:55,569
is God and my family.
713
00:51:55,569 --> 00:51:56,679
That's it.
714
00:52:05,691 --> 00:52:08,594
(epic music)
715
00:52:19,205 --> 00:52:22,810
- [Mike] I'm constantly
broke because of the band.
716
00:52:22,810 --> 00:52:24,314
I constantly have no money
717
00:52:24,314 --> 00:52:25,402
because I'm always the guy like,
718
00:52:25,402 --> 00:52:27,151
"Oh, you know...
719
00:52:27,151 --> 00:52:29,242
"Ok we need 500 dollars,
720
00:52:29,242 --> 00:52:30,234
"the van needs this repair,
721
00:52:30,234 --> 00:52:31,162
"alright, here it is,
722
00:52:31,162 --> 00:52:33,305
"here's T-shirt money, oh
we didn't make it on tour?
723
00:52:33,305 --> 00:52:35,247
"No worries, keep..."
724
00:52:35,247 --> 00:52:36,848
That's fucking crazy.
725
00:52:48,537 --> 00:52:51,011
- [Matt] The unclear outcome
has the greatest potential
726
00:52:51,011 --> 00:52:53,039
for generating conflict.
727
00:52:56,942 --> 00:52:59,427
And absolute disaster jeopardizes
728
00:52:59,427 --> 00:53:01,187
the continuing existence of the band,
729
00:53:01,187 --> 00:53:04,621
but does not jeopardize
the creative and personal
730
00:53:04,621 --> 00:53:07,215
relationships among members of the band.
731
00:53:07,221 --> 00:53:10,106
The middling outcome is worse
732
00:53:10,106 --> 00:53:12,687
because it jeopardizes the relationships,
733
00:53:12,687 --> 00:53:14,405
because it could throw us into a situation
734
00:53:14,405 --> 00:53:15,844
where we're all fighting with each other
735
00:53:15,844 --> 00:53:17,979
all the time about whether
we should keep going.
736
00:53:26,681 --> 00:53:28,400
- I would stick it out.
737
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:32,045
I would out of pure fucking lunacy
738
00:53:32,687 --> 00:53:33,894
because I love it.
739
00:53:42,297 --> 00:53:44,099
- Good luck trying to do this slot.
740
00:53:44,099 --> 00:53:46,614
(laughing)
741
00:53:46,614 --> 00:53:47,787
- Play a fucking sandal.
742
00:53:53,739 --> 00:53:55,488
- [Band member] Oh is
there a piano part ready?
743
00:53:55,488 --> 00:53:57,046
- I just wrote one earlier
744
00:53:57,046 --> 00:53:58,038
and now I have to go practice it
745
00:53:58,038 --> 00:53:59,478
because I can't play it properly yet
746
00:53:59,478 --> 00:54:01,036
for reprise.
747
00:54:08,490 --> 00:54:11,904
- If Rosetta calls it a day
748
00:54:11,904 --> 00:54:13,482
because we can't make money,
749
00:54:13,482 --> 00:54:16,703
I'm gonna take that personally.
750
00:54:16,703 --> 00:54:19,242
Then I've gotta look
at myself in the mirror
751
00:54:19,242 --> 00:54:21,014
and figure out, alright, well what's next.
752
00:54:21,014 --> 00:54:22,944
What is it that you're gonna do next
753
00:54:24,558 --> 00:54:27,415
to be able to express how it
is that you feel about things?
754
00:54:28,021 --> 00:54:30,689
(piano chords)
755
00:54:47,736 --> 00:54:49,285
- I'm glad we're done drums,
756
00:54:49,285 --> 00:54:51,088
because my muscles are like
757
00:54:51,088 --> 00:54:53,158
ready to fall off of my body.
758
00:54:57,103 --> 00:54:58,449
(sighs)
759
00:55:27,236 --> 00:55:29,323
- When the mastering
got done two days before
760
00:55:29,323 --> 00:55:31,830
the album was supposed to be released,
761
00:55:31,830 --> 00:55:34,827
so the sessions started about
seven days before the release,
762
00:55:34,827 --> 00:55:37,845
and it took about five
days to get it done,
763
00:55:37,845 --> 00:55:39,477
because I think we did three and a half
764
00:55:39,477 --> 00:55:41,077
or four revisions on it,
765
00:55:41,077 --> 00:55:42,176
Tuesday of that week,
766
00:55:42,176 --> 00:55:45,215
I had to take the Megabus to Boston,
767
00:55:45,215 --> 00:55:46,677
pick up the rental van for tour,
768
00:55:46,677 --> 00:55:48,811
turn around and drive back home.
769
00:55:49,898 --> 00:55:51,668
- I just watched the comments roll in,
770
00:55:51,668 --> 00:55:55,147
and people sort of post bummer comments.
771
00:56:03,508 --> 00:56:06,345
- I got home at 2:30 in the
morning and released the album,
772
00:56:06,345 --> 00:56:09,843
and I did stay up for about
45 minutes after I posted it
773
00:56:09,843 --> 00:56:12,350
to see how it was doing.
774
00:56:12,350 --> 00:56:15,422
I guess I went to bed at maybe 3:15,
775
00:56:15,422 --> 00:56:19,592
and I got up at 6:30 or 7:00
776
00:56:20,947 --> 00:56:24,619
to find out that PayPal
had shut down our account
777
00:56:24,619 --> 00:56:27,712
because too much stuff
had come in all at once,
778
00:56:27,712 --> 00:56:29,772
and they thought that we
were engaged in fraud.
779
00:56:30,986 --> 00:56:32,725
- When I woke up on the 8th and saw
780
00:56:32,725 --> 00:56:34,239
that we had about
781
00:56:35,957 --> 00:56:40,479
two thirds of our money
in a period of 12 hours,
782
00:56:42,013 --> 00:56:44,418
I didn't really know what to think of it.
783
00:56:44,418 --> 00:56:45,688
- Success!
784
00:56:46,452 --> 00:56:47,614
- I was a little bit shocked.
785
00:56:47,614 --> 00:56:50,217
I was expecting the album to do
786
00:56:50,217 --> 00:56:52,094
pretty well in the first couple of days,
787
00:56:52,094 --> 00:56:53,461
not that well.
788
00:56:56,769 --> 00:56:59,275
I wanted the outcome to be clear
789
00:56:59,275 --> 00:57:01,309
in the financial, business side of things.
790
00:57:02,523 --> 00:57:06,128
It was successful enough to let us know
791
00:57:06,128 --> 00:57:09,445
for certain this was the
right decision to go this way,
792
00:57:09,445 --> 00:57:12,048
we're going to keep
doing what we're doing.
793
00:57:12,048 --> 00:57:13,723
That's good enough for me.
794
00:57:13,723 --> 00:57:15,740
(cheering)
- [Mike] Thank you.
795
00:57:21,711 --> 00:57:24,497
(metal music)
796
00:57:45,038 --> 00:57:46,830
- The reviews, there's
been some positive ones,
797
00:57:46,830 --> 00:57:49,103
and lots of negative ones as well.
798
00:58:01,389 --> 00:58:02,947
I could really care less either way,
799
00:58:02,947 --> 00:58:04,452
you can't focus on those too much.
800
00:58:09,261 --> 00:58:12,098
- Did we make the album
our fans wanted us to make?
801
00:58:12,098 --> 00:58:13,227
No.
802
00:58:13,227 --> 00:58:15,456
So by that measure it was not successful.
803
00:58:21,781 --> 00:58:23,838
- They get to me.
804
00:58:23,838 --> 00:58:25,651
They really do.
805
00:58:25,651 --> 00:58:27,902
They stand out, sadly,
more than the people
806
00:58:27,902 --> 00:58:29,897
who are like, "This is the
best thing you've ever done."
807
00:58:29,897 --> 00:58:31,476
Or, "This song is perfect."
808
00:58:36,861 --> 00:58:38,472
- Well the record's a success,
809
00:58:38,472 --> 00:58:41,437
but the reason why it's
a success is because
810
00:58:41,437 --> 00:58:44,990
it is 100 percent what we wanted to do.
811
00:58:51,133 --> 00:58:53,010
- There's good music and bad music.
812
00:58:53,010 --> 00:58:55,166
And I feel like this is good music.
813
00:58:57,511 --> 00:58:59,698
My emotions about it were very clear.
814
00:59:00,816 --> 00:59:02,320
When we first finished it,
815
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:04,043
I was proud of it.
816
00:59:04,043 --> 00:59:05,643
What I said to my parents about it was,
817
00:59:05,643 --> 00:59:08,758
"This is the best thing that
I've ever been involved in.
818
00:59:08,758 --> 00:59:09,964
"Period."
819
00:59:22,592 --> 00:59:24,940
(train whistling)
820
00:59:39,721 --> 00:59:42,036
- I need you to just
tape this to your shirt.
821
00:59:42,036 --> 00:59:43,103
- Sure.
822
00:59:43,103 --> 00:59:45,620
- So we'll hide it right there, actually,
823
00:59:45,620 --> 00:59:48,234
wherever it's comfortable.
- Gotcha.
824
00:59:49,428 --> 00:59:50,538
Thank you.
825
00:59:52,905 --> 00:59:54,252
(sighs)
826
00:59:54,252 --> 00:59:56,609
- [Interviewer] We've talked
about Translation Loss before,
827
00:59:56,609 --> 00:59:58,892
but let's rehash it if we can.
828
00:59:58,892 --> 01:00:00,002
- Sure.
829
01:00:01,931 --> 01:00:04,555
You know I sat down to
dinner with Drew one night
830
01:00:04,555 --> 01:00:06,592
and we had it out,
831
01:00:06,592 --> 01:00:09,451
and it was awesome,
832
01:00:09,451 --> 01:00:12,885
and I really thought that at that moment,
833
01:00:13,707 --> 01:00:17,183
ideally, we'd go back to
being super good friends.
834
01:00:18,110 --> 01:00:19,667
And I've reached out to
him a couple of times
835
01:00:19,667 --> 01:00:22,244
to see if he wanted to go a few shows,
836
01:00:22,244 --> 01:00:25,183
but he hasn't really been too receptive.
837
01:00:25,183 --> 01:00:26,776
And that sucks,
838
01:00:26,776 --> 01:00:28,588
but I understand why.
839
01:00:35,225 --> 01:00:38,309
(metal music)
840
01:04:47,659 --> 01:04:50,583
(clapping and cheering)
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