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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,280 I listen to Fleetwood Mac every day 2 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,960 because artists like that unlock the doors of perception. 3 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,640 They connect you to a creative soul. 4 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:59,000 In terms of being able to do music across a multiplicity of genres, 5 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,800 they're kind of incomparable. 6 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,800 For me, it's the marriage of those tones, 7 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:08,560 both of the voices but of the instruments. 8 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,680 And what I love about Fleetwood Mac is that no song 9 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,160 is really a show-off song for anyone. 10 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:16,480 Everyone kind of gets their moment. 11 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,520 They're the perfect example of letting go 12 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:23,680 and just, just letting your thing flow. 13 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:25,800 Where it leads, if you let it flow, 14 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:30,320 is these songs that came out of these different marriages. 15 00:01:30,320 --> 00:01:32,720 Well, Fleetwood Mac were invented by Peter Green, 16 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:34,520 who was a blues guitarist 17 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:38,760 and part of the British blues guitar explosion of the time. 18 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,800 A kind of Clapton-y, Yardbirds thing was going on around there, 19 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:47,360 and he started Fleetwood Mac and it's very much his baby. 20 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,640 Peter Green recruited Mick Fleetwood on drums and John McVie on bass, 21 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,360 and they were the name - Fleetwood Mac. 22 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:54,680 They were huge. 23 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,080 At one point they were selling more than the Beatles 24 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,360 and the Rolling Stones combined, 25 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,520 and had a really big hard-core blues following. 26 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:04,440 Albatross changed that slightly 27 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:07,600 in that they became slightly more mainstream. 28 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:12,800 But in doing that, it lost them a lot of those hard-core blues fans, 29 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,320 but it gained them a lot of new fans. 30 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:17,760 INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC: Albatross 31 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,320 It sounds incredible, even all these years later. 32 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,880 It's just got that classic Americana... 33 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:47,960 ..kind of dream pop, dream-like vibe. 34 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:52,160 But it also wouldn't feel out of place on kind of... 35 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:56,400 almost like a '90s chill-out album as well. 36 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,480 To have established a blues fan base 37 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,280 and to then present them with this, 38 00:04:34,280 --> 00:04:38,560 I can't imagine it was well-received by all of their fans. 39 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:41,080 It certainly would confound expectations. 40 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,680 Certainly, I think, a lot of people would be surprised 41 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,280 if they heard the entire back catalogue. 42 00:05:11,280 --> 00:05:15,000 I used to listen to a lot of kind of rock and roll and punk music, 43 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,120 and there's a Fleetwood Mac song, 44 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,840 I think it's called Somebody's Going to Get Their Head Kicked in Tonight. 45 00:05:20,840 --> 00:05:24,040 That's certainly the kind of, the chorus of the main line. 46 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:27,120 # Somebody's going to get their head kicked in tonight. # 47 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:28,720 And I just... 48 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,040 I don't think when I first heard that song 49 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,440 I realised it was Fleetwood Mac that sang it. 50 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,080 Then when I realised it was and it was the same people 51 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,320 that sing, like, Everywhere, I was just like, 52 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,240 "What? That doesn't make sense." 53 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,920 So, yeah, there's lots of surprising gems 54 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:46,240 in the Fleetwood Mac back catalogue. 55 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:51,320 We're now going to do our latest single, called Oh Well. 56 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,360 # I can't help about the shape I'm in 57 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,720 # I can't sing, I ain't pretty and my legs are thin 58 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,240 # But don't ask me what I think of you 59 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,880 # I might not give the answer that you want me to... # 60 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,400 Guitars are the coolest...instrument. 61 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,320 Look at those guys! 62 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,560 Look at them, they're having fun. 63 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,040 They don't care that you're there. 64 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:33,600 The way he's playing, the way his fingers are, and they look so cool. 65 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,960 # Now, when I talked to God I knew he'd understand 66 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,760 # He said, stick by me and I'll be your guiding hand 67 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:41,920 # But don't ask me what I think of you 68 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:45,000 # I might not give the answer that you want me to. # 69 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:50,040 It was very, erm, intense kind of 12-bar, it has to be 12-bar. 70 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,800 The anorak crowd, the sort of hard-core blues guys were like, 71 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:55,760 "Oh, you're a sell-out." 72 00:07:55,760 --> 00:08:01,720 And with "Oh Well" as well, they're already losing fans, 73 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:05,000 haemorrhaging hard-core blues fans. 74 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:25,560 They lost almost all of their fan base in the UK 75 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:29,160 and then they lose their main songwriter. 76 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:33,640 So they don't just lose their crowd, they lose their main guy. 77 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:37,440 Apparently, two band members, Peter Green being one of them, 78 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:42,160 had a bad acid trip in Germany, this is the folklore of it. 79 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,920 And after that, Peter Green did not feel right. 80 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,880 So at this point, obviously, Peter Green just needs a really good rest. 81 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:52,000 So Peter leaves and you still have Mick and John, 82 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,120 Fleetwood and Mac, 83 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,680 who obviously want to continue as a band. 84 00:08:56,680 --> 00:09:00,000 And so you have this kind of almost barren period 85 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:04,040 where they're not making music, they're constantly searching 86 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,320 and trying out new members. 87 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:10,040 Then in comes Christine, John's wife, 88 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:11,400 who comes in on merit 89 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:15,800 because she's an incredibly accomplished songwriter, 90 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:17,720 great keyboard player. 91 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:22,960 Which led to this craziest luck ever with Mick Fleetwood going 92 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:26,720 into a studio in Los Angeles to check out the studio, 93 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,560 and the producer, like, puts on a reel to show him what he can do, 94 00:09:30,560 --> 00:09:33,400 "This is what I last... This is my latest thing." 95 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:37,520 Apparently, Mick Fleetwood heard a record by a duo called 96 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,720 Buckingham Nicks, so he asked them out for dinner. 97 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:44,280 He invited Lindsey Buckingham, the guitarist, 98 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:46,920 to join Fleetwood Mac and Lindsey Buckingham said, 99 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,600 "Well, actually, I'm going out with Stevie Nicks," 100 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,880 who is the other partner in the duo, "We come as a package. 101 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,120 "We don't go anywhere without each other." 102 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,920 So, unbeknownst to Mick Fleetwood, 103 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,760 suddenly he's got Stevie Nicks in the band. 104 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:02,320 And probably this was a sort of, 105 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,640 "Is she going to work? Is this going to work? What are we going to do?" 106 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,480 But actually, suddenly, the magic happens. 107 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:12,160 # Have mercy, baby on a poor girl like me 108 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:20,560 # You know, I'm falling, falling Falling at your feet 109 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:27,400 # I'm tingling right through my head to my toes 110 00:10:29,680 --> 00:10:33,560 # So help me, help me, help me make the feeling go 111 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,960 # Cos when the loving starts and the lights go down 112 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,680 # And there's not another living soul around 113 00:10:43,680 --> 00:10:46,920 # You woo me until the sun comes up 114 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,840 # And you say that you love me 115 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:54,640 # Have pity, baby 116 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,240 # Just when I thought it was over 117 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:04,160 # You got me running, running, running for cover 118 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:11,600 # I'm begging you for a little sympathy 119 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:18,480 # And if you use me again it'll be the end of me 120 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:25,000 # Cos when the loving starts and the lights go down 121 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,320 # There's not another little... # Oh, look at that! 122 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,520 # You woo me until the sun comes up... # 123 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:32,840 And they're so different voices, as well. 124 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:36,760 You know, Christine and Stevie's voices are worlds apart. 125 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:38,120 But together... 126 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:40,760 ..it's so special. 127 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,840 So much of the success of the songwriting has come from 128 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:51,520 Stevie and Christine. Their talent as performers and musicians, 129 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,680 you know, no arguments there. 130 00:11:54,680 --> 00:11:57,600 But in terms of what went on, in terms of the songwriting, 131 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:01,560 I don't think they get the credit that they're due for how much 132 00:12:01,560 --> 00:12:04,480 of the success of Fleetwood Mac is due to them. 133 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:08,480 # Baby, baby, hope you're gonna stay away 134 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:15,920 # Cos I'm getting weaker, weaker, weaker every day 135 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,920 # I guess I'm not as strong as I used to be 136 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:29,600 # And if you use me again it'll be the end of me 137 00:12:32,560 --> 00:12:35,920 # Cos when the loving starts and the lights go down 138 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:39,760 # And there's not another living soul around 139 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,880 # You woo me until the sun comes up 140 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:46,440 # And you say that you love me 141 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:50,160 # Yes, when the loving starts and the lights go down 142 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,840 # There's not another living soul around 143 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,640 # You woo me until the sun comes up 144 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,840 # And you say that you love me 145 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,840 # Say that you love me 146 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,840 # Say that you love me. # 147 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,720 Rhiannon is written by Stevie Nicks, 148 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,520 and I really think it's a phenomenal song. 149 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:18,480 It only reached 46 in the UK charts, I believe, 150 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,400 which is a shockingly low chart position. 151 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:25,960 In the Rolling Stone magazine vote of the 500 top songs, 152 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:29,520 it comes in at 488, which I think is a very respectful place 153 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,880 when you think of how many songs there are in the world. 154 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,640 But what I like about this song, Stevie Nicks always introduces it 155 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:38,520 as being about a Welsh witch. 156 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:42,600 This is a song about a Welsh witch. 157 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,640 # Rhiannon rings like a bell through the night 158 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:52,640 # And wouldn't you love to love her? 159 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,320 # She rules her life like a bird in flight 160 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:59,160 # And who will be her lover? 161 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:03,080 # All your life you've never seen a woman 162 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,880 # Taken by the wind 163 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:09,160 # Would you stay if she promised you heaven? 164 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,880 # Will you ever win? 165 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:19,480 # She is like a cat in the dark and then she is the darkness 166 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,200 # She rules her life like a fine skylark 167 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:26,040 # And when the sky is starless 168 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:33,080 # Once in a million years a lady like her rises 169 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:34,720 # Rhiannon... # 170 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,600 At the time, she was very much into Welsh mythology 171 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:41,920 and was starting to learn about the goddess of horses, 172 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:46,880 which is very prominent in Welsh folklore. 173 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:48,800 But it's the way she's written it. 174 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,440 She writes in a stream of consciousness, 175 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,600 which really only Stevie Nicks could do. 176 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:58,520 She doesn't finish her phrases, so she writes words that fit 177 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:03,480 the musical phrase more than they fit the sense, 178 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,080 but it works because that's how she writes. 179 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,520 It's ingrained, it's part of her DNA, 180 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:10,000 she's not faking it. 181 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:13,920 She's discovered what works for her voice. 182 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,520 # She rings like a bell through the night 183 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,480 # And wouldn't you love to love her? 184 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,120 # She rules her life like a bird in flight 185 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,960 # And who will be her lover? 186 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:34,080 # Once in a million years a lady like her rises 187 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:40,320 # Rhiannon, you cry when she's gone and your life knows no answer 188 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,840 # And your life knows no answer. # 189 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,200 Stevie Nicks was the only member of the band 190 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,480 who didn't play an instrument, 191 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:54,880 so she wrote in a different way to everybody else. 192 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:56,880 But she has this stage presence. 193 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:01,640 She's 5'1" and she has that thing of suddenly she's the focal point. 194 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,320 I don't think they predicted the success she would have, 195 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,440 just as being an icon, just as being herself. 196 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,160 Yes, you can't mistake her for anybody else. 197 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:15,360 # Taken by, taken by the sky 198 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:22,200 # Taken by, taken by the sky 199 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:29,920 # Taken by, taken by the sky 200 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,320 # No, ohh. # 201 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:53,160 Lindsey Buckingham's guitar-playing is so extraordinary, 202 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,120 so ahead of its time. 203 00:16:55,120 --> 00:17:00,640 Creating those sounds without a pick - he was a finger player - 204 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:02,640 but also strums. 205 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:04,440 It's just mind-blowing. 206 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,280 John's like, you know, he just stands in the background there 207 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:26,240 and does his thing brilliantly and is so intrinsically important 208 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,560 to the sound of that band. 209 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:32,640 John and Mick, you know, those two are the... They're the roots 210 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,720 of Fleetwood Mac, they're the foundations, really, 211 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:37,480 and the quiet foundations. 212 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:39,600 Just get on with what they're doing. 213 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:52,480 The notion of something beautiful 214 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:56,720 coming out of something so horrendous is Rumours. 215 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:01,160 This was a band who, the success of the Mac was growing, 216 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,080 they were a hugely popular band. 217 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:06,280 But as they were becoming more and more successful, 218 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,520 the band were imploding, really. 219 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:10,920 You know, relationships were breaking down. 220 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:16,200 Rumours is really a break-up album between Buckingham and Nicks 221 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:19,400 and also John and Christine, 222 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:23,880 and Mick Fleetwood was breaking up with his wife in England. 223 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:29,240 Almost every song is about someone in the band. 224 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:33,120 And they are playing on, and singing on, songs about each other, 225 00:18:33,120 --> 00:18:35,800 bringing lyrics in at the last minute because they know 226 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:37,840 the person in the room will know it's about them, 227 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:39,680 and obviously it's complete chaos 228 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,640 and yet those tensions are the things that make it. 229 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:44,520 And some of those songs are quite mellifluous 230 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:47,400 and they're quite soothing and then you realise what they're about - 231 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,160 they're about a band hating each other. 232 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,360 And then to just air that about each other, it's... 233 00:18:52,360 --> 00:18:56,600 It's a lot of tolerance on each side to allow it, you know, 234 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,000 and not throw around tools and just walk out. 235 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:06,920 # Loving you isn't the right thing to do 236 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:13,680 # How can I ever change things that I feel? 237 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:20,680 # If I could, baby I'd give you my world 238 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:27,160 # How can I when you won't take it from me? 239 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:33,800 # You can go your own way 240 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,520 # Go your own way 241 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:40,400 # You can call it another lonely day. # 242 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:44,640 Stevie Nicks is looking daggers at Lindsey Buckingham because 243 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:48,800 she wanted a line removed - "packing up, shacking up" - 244 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:53,480 which is Lindsey Buckingham responding to the shock 245 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:55,280 of Stevie Nicks leaving him. 246 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:02,160 # Packing up, shacking up is all you wanna do 247 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:09,440 # If I could, baby I'd give you my world 248 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:16,240 # Open up Everything's waiting for you 249 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:22,640 # You can go your own way 250 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,520 # Go your own way 251 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:30,920 # You can call it another lonely day 252 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:36,440 # You can go your own way 253 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,480 # Go your own way 254 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:11,320 # You can go your own way 255 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,160 # Go your own way 256 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:18,560 # You can call it another lonely day 257 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,080 # Another lonely day 258 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,960 # You can go your own way 259 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,240 # Go your own way 260 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,400 # You can call it another... # 261 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,320 It's a really brilliantly arranged song. 262 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,280 Backing vocals, for me, are one of the most magical parts 263 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:40,680 of making a record and Fleetwood Mac are an absolute flag in the sand 264 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:45,160 for how to do backing vocals and how to sing together as a group. 265 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,840 And the song's got such a beautiful example of those. 266 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:53,840 # You can call it another lonely day 267 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:55,880 # Oh, yeah, oh, yeah 268 00:21:55,880 --> 00:22:00,280 # You can call it another lonely day. # 269 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:30,320 Fleetwood Mac have found their way into my songs. 270 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:35,360 There's one particular song, Dreams, which was... 271 00:22:35,360 --> 00:22:39,480 A friend of mine had put on a mix tape and the tape got stuck 272 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,840 in the tape player in my first car. 273 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,720 It was the first song on the first side, 274 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,920 so when it went round, when it clicked both sides, 275 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:49,640 it came back to that again. 276 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:54,440 And I must have heard that song hundreds and hundreds of times. 277 00:22:54,440 --> 00:23:00,480 I went from loving this song to absolutely hating it, 278 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:05,000 like really getting on my nerves, to loving it again. 279 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:06,400 That's never happened before. 280 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,320 It's always - you love it, then you hate it, 281 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,440 then it's, "I'm never going to hear that again." 282 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,440 "Thunder only happens when it's raining, 283 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:18,200 "raining, raining, raining," and it's probably somehow eked out 284 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,120 Why Does It Always Rain On Me? 285 00:23:20,120 --> 00:23:22,560 Maybe. Who knows?! 286 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:30,240 # Now there you go again, you say 287 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:34,000 # You want your freedom 288 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:38,000 # Well, who am I to keep you down? 289 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:48,680 # It's only right that you should play the way you feel it 290 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:53,960 # But listen carefully to the sound 291 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,040 # Of your loneliness 292 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,920 # Like a heartbeat drives you mad 293 00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:05,240 # In the stillness of remembering what you had 294 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,640 # And what you lost 295 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,360 # And what you had 296 00:24:14,360 --> 00:24:16,920 # Ooh, what you lost 297 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:25,360 # Thunder only happens when it's raining 298 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:32,800 # Players only love you when they're playing 299 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:39,920 # Say women they will come and they go 300 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:48,440 # When the rain washes you clean you'll know. # 301 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,800 Dreams is a really fascinating song to me because I don't 302 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,600 really understand why I love it so much. 303 00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,840 Because it's a groove. 304 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:03,680 It really comes down to the testament of Stevie Nicks' voice. 305 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,680 And someone else doing it, it could've been really dull. 306 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,160 # Well, here I go again 307 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,240 # I see crystal visions 308 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:18,600 # I keep my visions to myself 309 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:29,240 # It's only me who wants to wrap around your dreams and 310 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:33,400 # Have you any dreams you'd like to sell? # 311 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,200 Great songs come from below the neck, they come from your gut, 312 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,800 where all these memories and emotional memories are trapped, 313 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,400 and this is where your emotional life is. 314 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,880 It's not up here, it's down here. 315 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:49,880 And if you're going through really harsh emotional stuff, 316 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,680 it's very easy to go down. 317 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,240 Them going through these crazy relationships 318 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,720 in the making of that record is exactly what makes that record. 319 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:06,040 # Thunder only happens when it's raining 320 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:14,040 # Players only love you when they're playing 321 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:21,920 # Say women they will come and they will go, oh, oh 322 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:30,320 # When the rain washes you clean you'll know 323 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,000 # Ohh 324 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:37,320 # Thunder only happens when it's raining 325 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:44,960 # Players only love you when they're playing 326 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:47,320 # Well 327 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:52,320 # Women they will come and they will go 328 00:26:55,000 --> 00:27:01,480 # When the rain washes you clean you'll know. # 329 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,360 So you've got these kind of call and response songs going on 330 00:27:04,360 --> 00:27:08,080 between Stevie and Lindsey, and then on the other side 331 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:12,120 with John and Christine, Christine's off doing her, you know, 332 00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:15,720 I guess therapy of getting it all out through song. 333 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,760 And she comes back with this brilliantly, kind of bouncy, 334 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,480 breezy song about, you know, tomorrow's just another day. 335 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,760 It's amazing to think that these songs came out of that. 336 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,080 The thing for me is like, is she saying it to herself 337 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,520 or is she saying it to John? 338 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,560 You know, "Don't stop thinking about tomorrow," 339 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,720 to herself or to John? 340 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,040 Or to the entire band? Let's be fair! 341 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,880 # If you wake up and don't want to smile 342 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,480 # If it takes just a little while 343 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,160 # Open your eyes and look at the day 344 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:01,120 # You'll see things in a different way 345 00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:05,240 # Don't stop thinking about tomorrow 346 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:09,000 # Don't stop, it'll soon be here 347 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,480 # It'll be better than before 348 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:16,360 # Yesterday's gone, yesterday's gone 349 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,880 # Why not think about the times to come? 350 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,680 # And not about the things that you've done 351 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,600 # If your life was bad to you 352 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,320 # Just think what tomorrow will do 353 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,840 # Don't stop thinking about tomorrow 354 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:47,200 # Don't stop, it'll soon be here 355 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,400 # It'll be better than before 356 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,040 # Yesterday's gone, yesterday's gone. # 357 00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,320 Lyrically, it's just a masterclass in really saying 358 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:05,720 exactly what you're talking about, you're not being that veiled. 359 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,840 But you're saying sometimes quite cliched things 360 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,960 in a way that speaks of something new, that speaks of 361 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,040 something rawer than just a regular cliche. 362 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:21,080 # All I want is to see you smile 363 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,400 # If it takes just a little while 364 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:28,360 # I know you don't believe that it's true 365 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,800 # I never meant any harm to you 366 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,480 # Don't stop thinking about tomorrow 367 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,160 # Don't stop 368 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,360 # It'll soon be here 369 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:43,040 # It'll be better than before 370 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,800 # Yesterday's gone, yesterday's gone 371 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,520 # Don't stop thinking about tomorrow 372 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,480 # Don't stop, it'll soon be here 373 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,960 # It'll be better than before 374 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,960 # Yesterday's gone, yesterday's gone 375 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,520 # Ooh 376 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,240 # Don't you look back. # 377 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,960 Before I knew what The Chain was as a song, that bass riff I knew 378 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,880 from watching Formula 1, or my dad watching Formula 1. 379 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:23,160 And then it was only years later discovering that it was part of 380 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,640 this epic kind of almost opera, from Rumours, The Chain. 381 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,400 It's my favourite Fleetwood Mac song because it's so... 382 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,000 When you hear it for the first time, 383 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,400 it takes you here, there and everywhere, 384 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,720 it's so unexpected as to where it goes. 385 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,960 For me, I think it's one of the best songs ever made. 386 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,960 # Listen to the wind blow 387 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:53,360 # Watch the sun rise 388 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,680 # Running in the shadows 389 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,920 # Damn your love, damn your lies 390 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,960 # And if you don't love me now 391 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,960 # You will never love me again 392 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,280 # I can still hear you saying 393 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,680 # You would never break the chain 394 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,160 # Never break the chain 395 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:22,680 # And if you don't love me now 396 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,120 # If you don't love me now 397 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,480 # You will never love me again 398 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,680 # I can still hear you saying 399 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,200 # You would never break the chain 400 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,280 # Never break the chain 401 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,600 # Listen to the wind blow 402 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,200 # Down comes the night 403 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,880 # Running in the shadows 404 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:07,720 # Damn your love, damn your lies 405 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,080 # Break the silence 406 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,040 # Damn the dark, damn the light 407 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:19,840 # Light, the light 408 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,760 # And if you don't love me now... # 409 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,920 It's just the most haunting sound, and the choice of the key 410 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,880 and the choice of the words of being "silent in the night 411 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:37,520 "as the sun comes up" and saying, "If you don't love me now, 412 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,200 "you'll never love me again," it's... 413 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,280 just utterly heartbreaking. 414 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,240 Look at the way Stevie Nicks is looking at him. 415 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:46,800 # Never break the chain. # 416 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,800 Oh, it's just so cruel the way she's looking at him. 417 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,880 I mean, one could say you could see the pain in their eyes, 418 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,040 even on this reunion. 419 00:32:55,040 --> 00:33:00,080 It's as if they're solving their relationship problems 420 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,640 in front of an audience. 421 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,360 This is another thing that I love about this band. 422 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:13,200 This is about six different songs, that didn't work as whole songs, 423 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,360 that they just cut up and spliced together. 424 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,840 I always used to be going round, kind of going... 425 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,160 SHE IMITATES 'THE CHAIN' RIFF 426 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,400 ..when I was little and I didn't know what the song was. 427 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,120 And then when I came to get to know the album when I was much older, 428 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,800 I was like, "No way!" 429 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,280 # Chain 430 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,280 # Keep us together 431 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,240 # Chain 432 00:34:08,240 --> 00:34:10,080 # Keep us together 433 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,120 # Running in the shadow 434 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,280 # Chain 435 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,600 # Keep us together 436 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,200 # Chain 437 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,760 # Keep us together 438 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,560 # Chain 439 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,720 # Keep us together. # 440 00:34:28,720 --> 00:34:31,720 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 441 00:34:31,720 --> 00:34:34,880 Rumours sold 45 million copies - how do you follow that up? 442 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,760 Especially how do you follow that up when the band has just 443 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,200 gone through what it's gone through to make that record 444 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,160 and then the success that it has? 445 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,760 I mean, they could've quite easily just walked away 446 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,720 and broke up as a band, but they didn't. 447 00:34:48,720 --> 00:34:53,320 For me, what happened after Rumours is possibly more interesting, 448 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,360 as a creative writer, because they went against the grain 449 00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:01,560 and they did Tusk, which is critically acclaimed 450 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,040 but not a huge commercial success. 451 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,760 So when Tusk came out, I can remember the industry 452 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,200 almost glorifying in pulling them apart and saying, 453 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,240 "Oh, doesn't work, it's the end of them." 454 00:35:13,240 --> 00:35:16,240 But like all great legendary bands, in retrospect, 455 00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:18,840 the audience catches up with their work. 456 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,600 Tusk is interesting because they're really being pulled 457 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,320 in different directions and some of it does sound like punk rock. 458 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,760 Again, it's a band literally being pulled apart 459 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,560 because they really can't stand each other at that point. 460 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,200 But also, they don't know where... 461 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:33,840 musically, where they're going. 462 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,000 Mick Fleetwood, the drummer, is managing them at this point. 463 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,040 So they are allowed to do what the hell they like 464 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,920 and they're spending extraordinary amounts of money, 465 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,760 not just on studio time, but on poodles and things. 466 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,480 You hear stories of them painting... 467 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,240 "Paint the whole place pink!" 468 00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:50,320 You know, "Let's bring in a grand piano." 469 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,840 It's just a ridiculous amount of expense and excess. 470 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:58,800 # Why don't you ask him if he's going to stay? 471 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:05,120 # Why don't you ask him if he's going away? 472 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:19,920 # Why don't you tell me what's going on? 473 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:26,880 # Why don't you tell me who's on the phone? # 474 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,800 I don't know where the idea came from, for Mick. 475 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,560 He just loves a lot of drums. 476 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:39,160 So he had the University College of California, I think it was, 477 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:43,440 their marching band, not only play on the end of the track, 478 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,640 but for the video they were in the LA Dodgers' stadium, 479 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,800 Stevie was twirling her baton. 480 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,320 You might notice a cardboard cut-out of John, 481 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,760 that's because Stevie and him had a fall-out 482 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,680 so he didn't want to come that day. 483 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,480 I just love the bombasticness of it. 484 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,280 Kind of, "I tell you what we're going to do, we're going to fill 485 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,800 "the LA Dodgers' stadium with a marching band and shoot a video. 486 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,400 "That's what we're going to do!" 487 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,920 And they could, because they were the biggest band in the world 488 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,240 at that time, in terms of how many records they were selling 489 00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:14,280 and how many hits they'd had off that record. 490 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,280 So I think they were almost testing everyone as well 491 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,480 and just seeing what they could get away with. 492 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,760 # Tusk! 493 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,480 # Just say that you love me 494 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,360 # Hiyee 495 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,720 # Don't say that you... 496 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,200 # Tusk. # 497 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,520 I know that the album Tusk certainly took some of the millions of fans 498 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,640 that they had acquired through the success of Rumours 499 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,760 by surprise because it's very different. 500 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,960 To me, though, this immediately sounds cooler 501 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,520 than anything on Rumours. 502 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:28,560 And while it might not have had the same initial level of, like, 503 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:33,040 just staggering success, I think with the passage of time, 504 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,400 it's kind of maybe borne out as being cooler. 505 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,160 # Wait a minute, baby 506 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,920 # Stay with me awhile 507 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,480 # Said you'd give me light 508 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,760 # But you never told me about the fire 509 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,920 # Drowning 510 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,120 # In the sea of love 511 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,440 # Where everyone 512 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,680 # Would love to drown 513 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,920 # But now it's gone 514 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,720 # It doesn't matter any more 515 00:39:39,720 --> 00:39:43,760 # When you build your house 516 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,520 # Call me 517 00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:03,760 # And he was just like 518 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,360 # A great dark wing 519 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:11,360 # Within the wings of a storm 520 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:18,680 # Well, I think I had met my match 521 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,240 # He was singing 522 00:40:29,240 --> 00:40:33,320 # And undoing 523 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,240 # Ooh 524 00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:39,320 # Undoing 525 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,880 # Aa-aa-aa-ah 526 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:49,640 # Laces 527 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:54,680 # Undoing the laces 528 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,880 # In the sea of love 529 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,240 # Every one of us 530 00:41:07,240 --> 00:41:11,880 # Would just love to drown 531 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,000 # But now it's gone 532 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,520 # It doesn't matter what for 533 00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:22,160 # But if you build your house 534 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,320 # Then call me. # 535 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:31,880 It's another really good example of Stevie's writing credentials. 536 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,120 She's just a style, you know, she's Stevie Nicks, 537 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,000 she's this image icon, beautiful. 538 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,600 But she evolved, she took on different looks, 539 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,320 she took on different personas. 540 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:50,160 And I think, for me, you got a sense of how she was feeling personally, 541 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,280 through what she wore and how she held herself on stage. 542 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,080 # And it all comes down to you 543 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,000 # Well, you know that it does, well 544 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,120 # Lightning strikes 545 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:08,000 # Maybe once, maybe twice 546 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:13,480 # Oh, and it lights up the night 547 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:17,120 # And you see your gypsy. # 548 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:18,920 Oh, her voice, man. 549 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,040 It's such an '80s video. 550 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,480 # You see your gypsy. # 551 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,720 Look how cool they look. 552 00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:31,680 It was in the era of big music videos, MTV. 553 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:36,160 # To the gypsy 554 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,720 # That remains 555 00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:43,520 # Her face says freedom 556 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,520 # With a little fear 557 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:50,520 # I have no fear 558 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:54,120 # I have only love 559 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,920 # And if I was a child 560 00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,360 # And the child was enough 561 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:05,000 # Enough for me to love 562 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:09,760 # Enough to love. # 563 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,240 This is the Fleetwood Mac of my childhood. 564 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:18,600 And one of the things that's so phenomenal and so interesting 565 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:24,040 about Fleetwood Mac is, if you look at their kind of biggest hits, 566 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,920 most of them have been written by the two women in the band. 567 00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,080 So to have these two really strong female songwriters 568 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,400 is really unusual. We have so many great female vocalists, 569 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:37,720 but it's not so typical that they're also writing the material. 570 00:43:37,720 --> 00:43:41,200 # You see your gypsy 571 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,400 # Ooh 572 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,120 # Ohhh 573 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,360 # Lightning strikes 574 00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,560 # Maybe once, maybe twice 575 00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,840 # And all it comes down to you 576 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,360 # Ooh 577 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,160 # Ohhh 578 00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,760 # And it all comes down to you 579 00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,680 # Lightning strikes. # 580 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,280 The thing I love about Landslide, that I love about all of 581 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,040 Stevie's songs, is that they're so personal. 582 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,400 She wrote this before she'd signed to Fleetwood Mac. 583 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:23,920 She was 27 years old, she'd spent a lot of time working as 584 00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,760 a waitress and a cleaner, desperate for the break, 585 00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,760 and it just wasn't coming. I think her dad even said to her, 586 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:33,960 "Give it another six months and then, you know, get a proper job," 587 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:35,840 type thing, or we'll put you through college. 588 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,840 And three months into that six months, Fleetwood Mac happens 589 00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,160 and this is one of the songs that she then takes to them. 590 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,040 # I took my love and I took it down 591 00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,760 # I climbed a mountain and I turned around 592 00:44:55,240 --> 00:45:02,280 # And I saw my reflection in the snow-covered hills 593 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:06,840 # Till the landslide brought me down 594 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:13,040 # Oh, mirror in the sky What is love? 595 00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:21,480 # Can the child within my heart rise above? 596 00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:27,800 # Can I sail through the changing ocean tides? 597 00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:35,160 # Can I handle the seasons of my life? 598 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,080 # Mm-mm 599 00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,960 # I don't know 600 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:42,960 # Mm-mm 601 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:44,720 # Mm-mm 602 00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:53,240 # Well, I've been 'fraid of changing 603 00:45:53,240 --> 00:45:59,160 # Cos I built my life around you 604 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,800 # But time makes you bolder 605 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,960 # Children get older 606 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:13,720 # And I'm getting older, too 607 00:46:13,720 --> 00:46:15,680 # So... # 608 00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,280 I've had the great pleasure of meeting Stevie Nicks 609 00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,440 and she's an extraordinary person. 610 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,360 Extremely down-to-earth. 611 00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,920 And I said to her, "How do you manage being Stevie Nicks?" 612 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,520 And she says... GRUFFLY: "Well, I decide if I'm Stevie Nicks or not. 613 00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,480 "If I walk down a corridor, 614 00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:37,240 "I'm looking at the floor, no-one even sees me. 615 00:46:37,240 --> 00:46:41,200 "If I walk down the corridor as Stevie Nicks, everybody sees me!" 616 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:45,640 # ..I've been afraid of changing 617 00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,960 # Cos I 618 00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:52,640 # I built my life around you 619 00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,640 # But time makes you bolder 620 00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:01,240 # Children get older 621 00:47:01,240 --> 00:47:06,040 # And I'm getting older too 622 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:13,640 # I'm getting older too 623 00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,280 # So take this love 624 00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,600 # Take it down 625 00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:27,480 # Oh, if you climb a mountain and you turn around 626 00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:34,600 # If you see my reflection in the snow-covered hills 627 00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:40,520 # Well, the landslide will bring it down, down 628 00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:44,640 # And if you see my reflection 629 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:52,400 # In the snow-covered 630 00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:57,040 # Hills 631 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,240 # Well, maybe 632 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:07,560 # The landslide will bring it down 633 00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:15,560 # Well, well, the landslide will bring it down. # 634 00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,240 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 635 00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,920 Tango In The Night is one of those ones 636 00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,520 where it's an extremely commercial album. 637 00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,480 There's so many hits, hits, hits on that record. 638 00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,680 Apparently it was Lindsey Buckingham, it was his demos first 639 00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:39,240 and then he took it to the band and the band kind of reconvened again. 640 00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:41,080 But they can pull it out the bag. 641 00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,600 They know what a good record sounds like. 642 00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,120 They're very happy to spend a long time in the studio, 643 00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:47,400 getting it to that point. 644 00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,320 It still doesn't sound like they've made up. 645 00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,080 They're still slightly at war. Tango In The Night kind of 646 00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,760 came out again through a real dark period for the band. 647 00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,600 You know, there was a lot of dependency on drugs and things 648 00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,080 within some of the band members, 649 00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,320 they were having a really hard time with that. 650 00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:06,640 And there is a kind of darker feel to this, I think. 651 00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,200 Even those kind of galloping drums 652 00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,440 that you get through some of the songs. 653 00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,880 There's a real kind of urgency to it, I think. 654 00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,600 # If I could turn the page 655 00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,680 # In time then I'd rearrange 656 00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:23,520 # Just a day or two 657 00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:30,360 # Close my, close my, close my eyes 658 00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:34,600 # But I couldn't find a way 659 00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,200 # So I'll settle for one day 660 00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,200 # To believe in you 661 00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:44,600 # Tell me, tell me, tell me lies 662 00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,520 # Tell me lies Tell me sweet little lies 663 00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,680 # Tell me lies Tell me, tell me lies 664 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,680 # Oh, no, no, you can't disguise 665 00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,440 # You can't disguise No, you can't disguise 666 00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,520 # Tell me lies Tell me sweet little lies 667 00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,760 # Although I'm not making plans 668 00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:17,400 # I hope that you understand There's a reason why 669 00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:23,360 # Close your, close your, close your eyes 670 00:50:25,240 --> 00:50:28,200 # No more broken hearts 671 00:50:29,240 --> 00:50:33,120 # We're better off apart Let's give it a try 672 00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:38,400 # Tell me, tell me, tell me lies 673 00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,040 # Tell me lies Tell me sweet little lies 674 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,400 # Tell me lies Tell me, tell me lies 675 00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,560 # Oh, no, no, you can't disguise 676 00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,120 # You can't disguise No, you can't disguise. # 677 00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,680 There's that big sound and there's still the use of 678 00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:02,360 the West Coast-style harmonies, you know, that musicality, 679 00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,360 and all sorts of elements which make it more interesting 680 00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,960 than it first seems. It's very well-crafted. 681 00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:10,400 That's the Christine McVie thing, 682 00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,080 she's really good at writing pop songs, 683 00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,720 so the stuff she writes has that real pop element to it, 684 00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:17,920 then you have Stevie Nicks being a little gothy sort of 685 00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,640 Kate Bush-esque in the corner, and you have Lindsey Buckingham 686 00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,040 doing his rock stuff, and somehow it all works. 687 00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,640 So they can each take a credit for a song and yet the songs can 688 00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,840 sit together on an album really well and it doesn't seem, you know, like 689 00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:32,400 they're from completely different places, and that's quite a talent. 690 00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,720 # But I couldn't find a way 691 00:51:37,720 --> 00:51:40,880 # So I'll settle for one day 692 00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,720 # To believe in you 693 00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:48,200 # Tell me, tell me, tell me lies 694 00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,760 # Tell me lies Tell me sweet little lies 695 00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,880 # Tell me lies Tell me, tell me lies 696 00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:58,480 # Oh, no, no, you can't disguise 697 00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,480 # You can't disguise No, you can't disguise 698 00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,600 # Tell me lies Tell me sweet little lies 699 00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:12,280 # Tell me lies Tell me, tell me lies 700 00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,640 # Oh, no, no, you can't disguise 701 00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,760 # You can't disguise No, you can't disguise... # 702 00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,840 The first time I remember hearing Fleetwood Mac was Big Love. 703 00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:26,680 I think it could have been on... 704 00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,040 And it wasn't hearing it, it was the video. 705 00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:33,800 I remember seeing the video somewhere and the sound of it 706 00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,640 was very distinct. 707 00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:40,600 I had no idea who they were, this was like a new band to me, 708 00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:44,360 but they looked older, so that was interesting. 709 00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:49,320 # Looking out for love 710 00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,840 # In the night so still 711 00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:58,280 # Oh, I'll build you a kingdom 712 00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,320 # In that house on the hill 713 00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,760 # Lookin' out for love 714 00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:12,480 # Big, big love 715 00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:16,440 # Oh, oh, oh, oh 716 00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,880 # You said that you love me 717 00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:23,440 # And that you always will 718 00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:28,360 # Oh, you begged me to keep you 719 00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,640 # In that house on the hill 720 00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:35,640 # Lookin' out for love 721 00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:44,200 # Big, big love 722 00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,760 # Oh, oh, oh, oh... # 723 00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:50,440 The sonics. It was all about the sonics of it, the sound of it, 724 00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,720 and the vocals were really, really great. 725 00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:55,400 The voices. His voice especially. 726 00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,320 # I wake up 727 00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,760 # Alone with it all 728 00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,520 # I wake up 729 00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:09,400 # But only to fall... # 730 00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:15,240 The interesting thing about Big Love is you can hear echoes of 731 00:54:15,240 --> 00:54:20,480 all the little bits of their past in that one song. 732 00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,640 There's this little trail-off, 733 00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:27,880 this little bluesy trail-off that echoes Oh Well. 734 00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:30,520 This bit. 735 00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,480 # Da-dah, da-dah Biddle-diddle-diddle-diddle. # 736 00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,760 That biddle-diddle-diddle-durh at the end is the echo, 737 00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,280 and it's like a book-end. 738 00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,320 # Oh, oh, oh 739 00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:50,080 # Oh, ah Ah, ah... # 740 00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:56,920 I always assumed that the grunts was Stevie or Christine, 741 00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:01,680 but it wasn't, it was Lindsey pitching his voice up. 742 00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:05,760 # Huh, ah Huh, ah... # 743 00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:09,720 Which is just slightly bonkers. 744 00:55:09,720 --> 00:55:13,360 # Uh, ah Uh, ah 745 00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,400 # Uh, ah Uh, ah. # 746 00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,360 They've left, they've broken up, they've got back together. 747 00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,080 Whether it's for Bill Clinton 748 00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,760 or, you know, an anniversary tour or whatever. 749 00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:27,320 # In my world, everybody stays 750 00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:31,440 # Nobody wishes for words they couldn't say 751 00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:35,160 # Bless my soul Let the night unfurl 752 00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:39,720 # Dancing, spinning, dreaming Singing in my world... # 753 00:55:39,720 --> 00:55:41,960 And now Lindsey Buckingham's left, 754 00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:46,040 I'd really like to believe that Mick Fleetwood is in LA just now 755 00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,760 just kind of like going to gigs and checking to see 756 00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,200 if there's any new players that he thinks, 757 00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:53,640 "Here's a good songwriter I could use." 758 00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:55,560 The door's not closed, I don't think. 759 00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:57,960 There's not really been much said about it 760 00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,960 but, you know, they've got some new members in, but... 761 00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,200 I don't really care. I'm watching Stevie. 762 00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:07,760 # But you need some rest My darling, it's best 763 00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:12,000 # But we've already passed it I cried 764 00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:17,240 # Ooh-eeh Listen to me 765 00:56:17,240 --> 00:56:20,760 # My secret love secretly 766 00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,160 # Died... # 767 00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:28,840 This band, Fleetwood Mac, they've survived so much. 768 00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,880 50 years, that's unbelievable. 769 00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:35,560 And I think it's nearly over 100 million records they've sold. 770 00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:38,760 Half of that, nearly, through one record. 771 00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,840 That's amazing. That's a great achievement 772 00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:45,600 for a band who are still out there touring, and their music, 773 00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:49,160 more importantly, over everything, still resonates. 774 00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:54,480 They spawn a million bands, trying to be as good as that. 775 00:56:54,480 --> 00:57:01,480 Trying to... Trying to achieve that foothold that's their own, 776 00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:05,880 and that's an amazing gift to give the human race. 777 00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:09,960 # Can you hear me calling Out your name 778 00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,600 # You know that I'm falling and I don't know what to say 779 00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:17,640 # I'll speak a little louder I'll even shout 780 00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:21,360 # You know that I'm proud and I can't get the words out 781 00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:26,080 # Oh, I I-I 782 00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:30,240 # I want to be with you everywhere 783 00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:34,400 # Oh, I I-I 784 00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,680 # I want to be with you everywhere 785 00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:41,000 # Be with you everywhere 786 00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:49,520 # Something's happening Happening to me 787 00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:53,120 # My friends say I'm acting peculiarly 788 00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:57,520 # Come along, baby We better make a start 789 00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:02,040 # You better make it soon before you break my heart 790 00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:06,840 # Oh, I I-I 791 00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,880 # I want to be with you everywhere 792 00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:14,480 # Oh, I I-I 793 00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,120 # I want to be with you everywhere 794 00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:21,000 # Be with you everywhere 795 00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:25,040 # Oh, oh, oh, ah 796 00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:28,040 # Oh, oh, oh, ah 797 00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:33,000 # Oh, oh, oh, ah 798 00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:36,040 # Oh, oh, ah... # 95774

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