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at Christmastime Christians like me

at Christmastime Christians like me

at Christmastime Christians like me despite the chaos of the shopping the

despite the chaos of the shopping the

despite the chaos of the shopping the eating the drinking should really be

eating the drinking should really be

eating the drinking should really be celebrating the birth of Jesus the Son

celebrating the birth of Jesus the Son

celebrating the birth of Jesus the Son of God born of a virgin the savior child

of God born of a virgin the savior child

of God born of a virgin the savior child sent to earth to save us all the story

sent to earth to save us all the story

sent to earth to save us all the story we have been told for over 2,000 years

we have been told for over 2,000 years

we have been told for over 2,000 years that is supposed to be exclusive to

that is supposed to be exclusive to

that is supposed to be exclusive to Christianity but what if I were to tell

Christianity but what if I were to tell

Christianity but what if I were to tell you that the story of Jesus wasn't quite

you that the story of Jesus wasn't quite

you that the story of Jesus wasn't quite as unique as you might have thought that

as unique as you might have thought that

as unique as you might have thought that the Hindu god Krishna also had a

the Hindu god Krishna also had a

the Hindu god Krishna also had a miraculous birth and was also attended

miraculous birth and was also attended

miraculous birth and was also attended by angels and shepherds this is the

by angels and shepherds this is the

by angels and shepherds this is the story of the child Krishna but it could

story of the child Krishna but it could

story of the child Krishna but it could well be the story of Jesus and like

well be the story of Jesus and like

well be the story of Jesus and like Jesus the Buddha also performed miracles

Jesus the Buddha also performed miracles

Jesus the Buddha also performed miracles walking on water and eating the five

walking on water and eating the five

walking on water and eating the five hundred

hundred

hundred so in some ways I'm not just following

so in some ways I'm not just following

so in some ways I'm not just following Jesus

Jesus

Jesus I'm also following border

I'm also following border

I'm also following border and that summer convinced that Jesus

and that summer convinced that Jesus

and that summer convinced that Jesus didn't die on the cross in Jerusalem but

didn't die on the cross in Jerusalem but

didn't die on the cross in Jerusalem but it's buried in India so this suggests

it's buried in India so this suggests

it's buried in India so this suggests that the tomb is the tomb of Jesus this

that the tomb is the tomb of Jesus this

that the tomb is the tomb of Jesus this is where Jesus is buried

is where Jesus is buried

is where Jesus is buried and that there are others who believe

and that there are others who believe

and that there are others who believe Jesus had a very different life story

Jesus had a very different life story

Jesus had a very different life story and even see him as a symbol of

and even see him as a symbol of

and even see him as a symbol of oppression are the worth of extra I

oppression are the worth of extra I

oppression are the worth of extra I don't believe in Jesus then there are

don't believe in Jesus then there are

don't believe in Jesus then there are the Muslims who believe Jesus will come

the Muslims who believe Jesus will come

the Muslims who believe Jesus will come back at the end of time and who even

back at the end of time and who even

back at the end of time and who even have a tumor waiting him next to

have a tumor waiting him next to

have a tumor waiting him next to Mohammed's and Medina

Mohammed's and Medina

Mohammed's and Medina and there is also an ancient Christian

and there is also an ancient Christian

and there is also an ancient Christian text that has lain hidden for over 1,600

text that has lain hidden for over 1,600

text that has lain hidden for over 1,600 years that has a very different version

years that has a very different version

years that has a very different version of Jesus's story if there are so many

of Jesus's story if there are so many

of Jesus's story if there are so many different stories like Jesus's which one

different stories like Jesus's which one

different stories like Jesus's which one is the real deal I'm going to do what

is the real deal I'm going to do what

is the real deal I'm going to do what most Christians fear to do go outside

most Christians fear to do go outside

most Christians fear to do go outside the Christian tradition on a journey of

the Christian tradition on a journey of

the Christian tradition on a journey of jesus's traditional birthplace in

jesus's traditional birthplace in

jesus's traditional birthplace in Bethlehem to the foothills of the

Bethlehem to the foothills of the

Bethlehem to the foothills of the Himalayas from ancient Egypt to

Himalayas from ancient Egypt to

Himalayas from ancient Egypt to modern-day India to find out about these

modern-day India to find out about these

modern-day India to find out about these stories investigate their origins and

stories investigate their origins and

stories investigate their origins and uncover who Jesus really was

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I began my search for the hidden Jesus

I began my search for the hidden Jesus

I began my search for the hidden Jesus in Rinda by one of India's holiest

in Rinda by one of India's holiest

in Rinda by one of India's holiest cities and the center of worship of the

cities and the center of worship of the

cities and the center of worship of the ancient Hindu god Krishna

it's the month of kartika one of the

it's the month of kartika one of the

it's the month of kartika one of the most auspicious times of the Hindu year

most auspicious times of the Hindu year

most auspicious times of the Hindu year when millions of pilgrims come here to

when millions of pilgrims come here to

when millions of pilgrims come here to worship Krishna in ancient Hinduism

worship Krishna in ancient Hinduism

worship Krishna in ancient Hinduism Krishna is seen as the Supreme God who

Krishna is seen as the Supreme God who

Krishna is seen as the Supreme God who descends to earth to fight evil the

descends to earth to fight evil the

descends to earth to fight evil the stories concerning his life go back 800

stories concerning his life go back 800

stories concerning his life go back 800 years before the birth of Jesus I'm here

years before the birth of Jesus I'm here

years before the birth of Jesus I'm here to explore the similarities between

to explore the similarities between

to explore the similarities between Jesus Christ and Krishna and in

Jesus Christ and Krishna and in

Jesus Christ and Krishna and in particular their birth stories Shevat

particular their birth stories Shevat

particular their birth stories Shevat saga swami is a brahmin priest who can

saga swami is a brahmin priest who can

saga swami is a brahmin priest who can trace his lineage back to the founders

trace his lineage back to the founders

trace his lineage back to the founders of this holy city more than six hundred

of this holy city more than six hundred

of this holy city more than six hundred years ago I tell you a story the story

years ago I tell you a story the story

years ago I tell you a story the story of a wondrous birth where the child is

of a wondrous birth where the child is

of a wondrous birth where the child is born in the unblurred settings the

born in the unblurred settings the

born in the unblurred settings the mother earth can provide every year just

mother earth can provide every year just

mother earth can provide every year just like our nativity plays about the birth

like our nativity plays about the birth

like our nativity plays about the birth of Jesus hinders perform grass Leela's

of Jesus hinders perform grass Leela's

of Jesus hinders perform grass Leela's or religious passion plays about the

or religious passion plays about the

or religious passion plays about the birth of Krishna

in the story there's a evil king who

in the story there's a evil king who

in the story there's a evil king who tries to prevent that coming of the

tries to prevent that coming of the

tries to prevent that coming of the child in a prophecy the evil king is

child in a prophecy the evil king is

child in a prophecy the evil king is told that a child will grow up to kill

told that a child will grow up to kill

told that a child will grow up to kill him so he goes on a killing spree

him so he goes on a killing spree

him so he goes on a killing spree murdering babies it was beginning to

murdering babies it was beginning to

murdering babies it was beginning to sound familiar in this story there

sound familiar in this story there

sound familiar in this story there starts portents in the birth the crucial

starts portents in the birth the crucial

starts portents in the birth the crucial hour is the middle of the night

hour is the middle of the night

hour is the middle of the night there is also an immaculate conception

there is also an immaculate conception

there is also an immaculate conception and the birth is heralded by angels

and the birth is heralded by angels

and the birth is heralded by angels while the evil Kingsguard sleep

while the evil Kingsguard sleep

while the evil Kingsguard sleep the father is told to flee with his

the father is told to flee with his

the father is told to flee with his family they have to cross a river but

family they have to cross a river but

family they have to cross a river but the waters are miraculously parted you

the waters are miraculously parted you

the waters are miraculously parted you might wonder whose birth the story is

might wonder whose birth the story is

might wonder whose birth the story is this this is the story of the child

this this is the story of the child

this this is the story of the child Krishna not Jesus Krishna but it could

Krishna not Jesus Krishna but it could

Krishna not Jesus Krishna but it could well be the story of Jesus the tyrant

well be the story of Jesus the tyrant

well be the story of Jesus the tyrant would be Herod and then the details go

would be Herod and then the details go

would be Herod and then the details go on you know and as Jesus is heralded by

on you know and as Jesus is heralded by

on you know and as Jesus is heralded by John the Baptist

John the Baptist

John the Baptist so Krishna is welded by his elder

so Krishna is welded by his elder

so Krishna is welded by his elder brother Balrog

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[Music] in the same story you know I'm it's

in the same story you know I'm it's

in the same story you know I'm it's heinous treatment this is absolutely

heinous treatment this is absolutely

heinous treatment this is absolutely amazing stuff because most Christians

amazing stuff because most Christians

amazing stuff because most Christians when they see the nativity every

when they see the nativity every

when they see the nativity every Christmas than December you think this

Christmas than December you think this

Christmas than December you think this is unique when I was a child at Sunday

is unique when I was a child at Sunday

is unique when I was a child at Sunday school I was taught very little about

school I was taught very little about

school I was taught very little about other religions instead I was told the

other religions instead I was told the

other religions instead I was told the Christian story of Jesus was totally

Christian story of Jesus was totally

Christian story of Jesus was totally unique and that there was only one way

unique and that there was only one way

unique and that there was only one way to salvation through him anything else

to salvation through him anything else

to salvation through him anything else was entertaining evil loosen this the

was entertaining evil loosen this the

was entertaining evil loosen this the shrine here many become young Krishna as

shrine here many become young Krishna as

shrine here many become young Krishna as a young person with all right to

a young person with all right to

a young person with all right to celebrate Krishna's birthday just like

celebrate Krishna's birthday just like

celebrate Krishna's birthday just like we do at Christmas little T cribs when I

we do at Christmas little T cribs when I

we do at Christmas little T cribs when I see images of the baby Jesus often at

see images of the baby Jesus often at

see images of the baby Jesus often at Christmas both of the cultures have

Christmas both of the cultures have

Christmas both of the cultures have scenes or images of their deity as a

scenes or images of their deity as a

scenes or images of their deity as a baby so in Christianity have Jesus in

baby so in Christianity have Jesus in

baby so in Christianity have Jesus in the crib and he have Krishna in a swing

the crib and he have Krishna in a swing

the crib and he have Krishna in a swing and his mother pulling this case the

and his mother pulling this case the

and his mother pulling this case the more I looked at it the more

more I looked at it the more

more I looked at it the more similarities I found between Krishna and

similarities I found between Krishna and

similarities I found between Krishna and Jesus and the more I realized that

Jesus and the more I realized that

Jesus and the more I realized that Jesus's story may not be unique

have you sold them always to Hindus or

have you sold them always to Hindus or

have you sold them always to Hindus or have Christians bought them have Muslims

have Christians bought them have Muslims

have Christians bought them have Muslims bought them Hindus buy them Muslims buy

bought them Hindus buy them Muslims buy

bought them Hindus buy them Muslims buy them

them

them what about Jesus does he think Jesus is

what about Jesus does he think Jesus is

what about Jesus does he think Jesus is the same of Krishna yes they are the

the same of Krishna yes they are the

the same of Krishna yes they are the same he is also an incarnation of God

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Christian's go on pilgrimages the place

Christian's go on pilgrimages the place

Christian's go on pilgrimages the place is connected with the life story of

is connected with the life story of

is connected with the life story of Jesus Hindus are encouraged to visit the

Jesus Hindus are encouraged to visit the

Jesus Hindus are encouraged to visit the holy sites connected with Lord Krishna

holy sites connected with Lord Krishna

holy sites connected with Lord Krishna and his many miracles one of the holiest

and his many miracles one of the holiest

and his many miracles one of the holiest is radicand where Hindus come to take

is radicand where Hindus come to take

is radicand where Hindus come to take ritual baths I caught up with a group of

ritual baths I caught up with a group of

ritual baths I caught up with a group of hairy Krishna devotees led by Diwan du

hairy Krishna devotees led by Diwan du

hairy Krishna devotees led by Diwan du das part of India the dialect they say

das part of India the dialect they say

das part of India the dialect they say Krishna Krishna Krishna and we know the

Krishna Krishna Krishna and we know the

Krishna Krishna Krishna and we know the Greek is Christo's

Greek is Christo's

Greek is Christo's coming from the same route actually so

coming from the same route actually so

coming from the same route actually so not only the birth stories of Krishna

not only the birth stories of Krishna

not only the birth stories of Krishna and Jesus very similar in at least one

and Jesus very similar in at least one

and Jesus very similar in at least one Indian dialect it seems that even their

Indian dialect it seems that even their

Indian dialect it seems that even their names sound the same as Krishna says

names sound the same as Krishna says

names sound the same as Krishna says every living being as my son so in one

every living being as my son so in one

every living being as my son so in one sense we're all sons of God Jesus was

sense we're all sons of God Jesus was

sense we're all sons of God Jesus was obedient son to that reason he's called

obedient son to that reason he's called

obedient son to that reason he's called the only synagogue cuz we're here

the only synagogue cuz we're here

the only synagogue cuz we're here because we're sinful yeah so and there's

because we're sinful yeah so and there's

because we're sinful yeah so and there's no question of sin for Jesus he was a he

no question of sin for Jesus he was a he

no question of sin for Jesus he was a he was pure from his birth krishna's loves

was pure from his birth krishna's loves

was pure from his birth krishna's loves us more than we we can ever know so he

us more than we we can ever know so he

us more than we we can ever know so he tries in different ways by sending

tries in different ways by sending

tries in different ways by sending different messengers different girls

different messengers different girls

different messengers different girls anyway anyhow he comes himself in

anyway anyhow he comes himself in

anyway anyhow he comes himself in various incarnations just in so many

various incarnations just in so many

various incarnations just in so many different ways according to time and

different ways according to time and

different ways according to time and culture he tries to bring us back always

culture he tries to bring us back always

culture he tries to bring us back always taught that throughout the gospels jesus

taught that throughout the gospels jesus

taught that throughout the gospels jesus told His disciples to forsake all and

told His disciples to forsake all and

told His disciples to forsake all and follow me now I find it's just the same

follow me now I find it's just the same

follow me now I find it's just the same with the followers of Krishna they also

with the followers of Krishna they also

with the followers of Krishna they also believe that by chanting Krishna's name

believe that by chanting Krishna's name

believe that by chanting Krishna's name over and over again they will get closer

over and over again they will get closer

over and over again they will get closer to him

when I was fight Christianity's most

when I was fight Christianity's most

when I was fight Christianity's most famous prayer that Jesus taught his

famous prayer that Jesus taught his

famous prayer that Jesus taught his disciples

disciples

disciples the Lord's Prayer the very second line

the Lord's Prayer the very second line

the Lord's Prayer the very second line is hallowed be thy name

is hallowed be thy name

is hallowed be thy name it's almost exactly the same idea

as a Christian I've been surprised at

as a Christian I've been surprised at

as a Christian I've been surprised at the many similarities I've found between

the many similarities I've found between

the many similarities I've found between Krishna and Jesus but most Christian

Krishna and Jesus but most Christian

Krishna and Jesus but most Christian fundamentalist still refused to accept

fundamentalist still refused to accept

fundamentalist still refused to accept that they can learn anything from or

that they can learn anything from or

that they can learn anything from or have anything in common with any other

have anything in common with any other

have anything in common with any other religion I like many Christians in the

religion I like many Christians in the

religion I like many Christians in the West went to Sunday School went to

West went to Sunday School went to

West went to Sunday School went to church and was frankly taught to be

church and was frankly taught to be

church and was frankly taught to be intolerant towards other religions and

intolerant towards other religions and

intolerant towards other religions and when we were taught about Hinduism and

when we were taught about Hinduism and

when we were taught about Hinduism and the many gods

the many gods

the many gods we were actually taught to see these

we were actually taught to see these

we were actually taught to see these gods as idols and Krishna rather than

gods as idols and Krishna rather than

gods as idols and Krishna rather than being a manifestation of the divine was

being a manifestation of the divine was

being a manifestation of the divine was an idol a fourth-century point talking

an idol a fourth-century point talking

an idol a fourth-century point talking to God whoever the God is the Guru or

to God whoever the God is the Guru or

to God whoever the God is the Guru or the God he says the innumerable ways to

the God he says the innumerable ways to

the God he says the innumerable ways to reach you as all the rivers the straight

reach you as all the rivers the straight

reach you as all the rivers the straight or crooked meet the ocean so oh my lord

or crooked meet the ocean so oh my lord

or crooked meet the ocean so oh my lord all these various ways somehow take us

all these various ways somehow take us

all these various ways somehow take us there

there

there so if you have that is spiritual

so if you have that is spiritual

so if you have that is spiritual humility to not denounce the other roads

humility to not denounce the other roads

humility to not denounce the other roads out of existence other ways of out of

out of existence other ways of out of

out of existence other ways of out of existence and cling to your own Road you

existence and cling to your own Road you

existence and cling to your own Road you will reach them if we could learn to

will reach them if we could learn to

will reach them if we could learn to find unity in these common spiritual

find unity in these common spiritual

find unity in these common spiritual values things that aren't unique to

values things that aren't unique to

values things that aren't unique to Jesus then it would make things like

Jesus then it would make things like

Jesus then it would make things like Christian fundamentalism Islamic

Christian fundamentalism Islamic

Christian fundamentalism Islamic fundamentalism Hindu fundamentalism that

fundamentalism Hindu fundamentalism that

fundamentalism Hindu fundamentalism that attempts to separate people it would

attempts to separate people it would

attempts to separate people it would make it even more of a nonsense and

make it even more of a nonsense and

make it even more of a nonsense and actually is one of the opening prayers

actually is one of the opening prayers

actually is one of the opening prayers of Rig Veda it says oh no but raha

of Rig Veda it says oh no but raha

of Rig Veda it says oh no but raha Ithorian to vishwas ah lakh noble ideas

Ithorian to vishwas ah lakh noble ideas

Ithorian to vishwas ah lakh noble ideas and thoughts come to me from all over

and thoughts come to me from all over

and thoughts come to me from all over the world unless we keep our doors open

the world unless we keep our doors open

the world unless we keep our doors open the humidity is going to be poorer and

the humidity is going to be poorer and

the humidity is going to be poorer and poorer but the factors which are

poorer but the factors which are

poorer but the factors which are responsible for that are political and

responsible for that are political and

responsible for that are political and economic factors if we don't have the

economic factors if we don't have the

economic factors if we don't have the logic of love as a driving force behind

logic of love as a driving force behind

logic of love as a driving force behind politics and economy the future of

politics and economy the future of

politics and economy the future of religion is very bleak very bleak at a

religion is very bleak very bleak at a

religion is very bleak very bleak at a key moment in the Gospel of John Jesus

key moment in the Gospel of John Jesus

key moment in the Gospel of John Jesus tells his disciples other sheep have I

tells his disciples other sheep have I

tells his disciples other sheep have I which are not of this fold I believe he

which are not of this fold I believe he

which are not of this fold I believe he was telling them and us that there are

was telling them and us that there are

was telling them and us that there are other ways to God just as valid as

other ways to God just as valid as

other ways to God just as valid as Christianity and from what I've seen

Christianity and from what I've seen

Christianity and from what I've seen here in India there are lots of points

here in India there are lots of points

here in India there are lots of points of connection between Hinduism and

of connection between Hinduism and

of connection between Hinduism and Christianity between Jesus and Krishna

Christianity between Jesus and Krishna

Christianity between Jesus and Krishna and Hindus have no problem understanding

and Hindus have no problem understanding

and Hindus have no problem understanding Jesus and accepting his teachings

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my last night in Brindavan was the

my last night in Brindavan was the

my last night in Brindavan was the culmination of the Hindu holiday of

culmination of the Hindu holiday of

culmination of the Hindu holiday of Diwali or the festival of light

Diwali or the festival of light

Diwali or the festival of light traditionally everyone lights lamps or

traditionally everyone lights lamps or

traditionally everyone lights lamps or candles to signify the victory of light

candles to signify the victory of light

candles to signify the victory of light over darkness good over evil

Hindus believe that there is something

Hindus believe that there is something

Hindus believe that there is something inside all of us which is pure infinite

inside all of us which is pure infinite

inside all of us which is pure infinite and eternal

so just as Christians celebrate the

so just as Christians celebrate the

so just as Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus at Christmas Hindus have

birth of Jesus at Christmas Hindus have

birth of Jesus at Christmas Hindus have Diwali a celebration of this inner light

Diwali a celebration of this inner light

Diwali a celebration of this inner light the knowing of wit will banish all

the knowing of wit will banish all

the knowing of wit will banish all darkness all ignorance

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[Music] but what worries me is that many

but what worries me is that many

but what worries me is that many Christians still have a big problem with

Christians still have a big problem with

Christians still have a big problem with Hinduism and think that worshiping

Hinduism and think that worshiping

Hinduism and think that worshiping Krishna is plain wrong for me this is

Krishna is plain wrong for me this is

Krishna is plain wrong for me this is not the right attitude the real Jesus

not the right attitude the real Jesus

not the right attitude the real Jesus didn't just want people to become

didn't just want people to become

didn't just want people to become Christians but let everyone to

Christians but let everyone to

Christians but let everyone to experience the kingdom of God by

experience the kingdom of God by

experience the kingdom of God by whatever means is best for them

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[Music] in the next part I will investigate

in the next part I will investigate

in the next part I will investigate another major religious teacher whose

another major religious teacher whose

another major religious teacher whose religion has spread all over Asia not

religion has spread all over Asia not

religion has spread all over Asia not only does his life story have uncanny

only does his life story have uncanny

only does his life story have uncanny similarities to that of Jesus but his

similarities to that of Jesus but his

similarities to that of Jesus but his teachings are very similar to we've

teachings are very similar to we've

teachings are very similar to we've already heard of the remarkable

already heard of the remarkable

already heard of the remarkable similarities between the life stories of

similarities between the life stories of

similarities between the life stories of Krishna and of Jesus but here in India

Krishna and of Jesus but here in India

Krishna and of Jesus but here in India there's another important religious

there's another important religious

there's another important religious figure also the result of miraculous

figure also the result of miraculous

figure also the result of miraculous birth who was tempted by the devil

birth who was tempted by the devil

birth who was tempted by the devil before beginning his public ministry at

before beginning his public ministry at

before beginning his public ministry at the age of thirty who performed miracles

the age of thirty who performed miracles

the age of thirty who performed miracles such as walking on water and the feeding

such as walking on water and the feeding

such as walking on water and the feeding of 500 and who challenged the

of 500 and who challenged the

of 500 and who challenged the established religious order and

established religious order and

established religious order and presented an alternative way of

presented an alternative way of

presented an alternative way of understanding the world and who spread

understanding the world and who spread

understanding the world and who spread his teachings and wisdom through

his teachings and wisdom through

his teachings and wisdom through parables and sayings now all sounds

parables and sayings now all sounds

parables and sayings now all sounds extraordinarily familiar but I'm not

extraordinarily familiar but I'm not

extraordinarily familiar but I'm not talking about Jesus but a Prince

talking about Jesus but a Prince

talking about Jesus but a Prince Siddhartha Gautama or Buddha

Siddhartha Gautama or Buddha

Siddhartha Gautama or Buddha I am now in northern India in the

I am now in northern India in the

I am now in northern India in the foothills of the Himalayas after the

foothills of the Himalayas after the

foothills of the Himalayas after the Chinese invasion of Tibet in 1950 the

Chinese invasion of Tibet in 1950 the

Chinese invasion of Tibet in 1950 the serie became the spiritual home of

serie became the spiritual home of

serie became the spiritual home of Tibetan Buddhism in my search for the

Tibetan Buddhism in my search for the

Tibetan Buddhism in my search for the hidden story of Jesus I have come here

hidden story of Jesus I have come here

hidden story of Jesus I have come here to investigate the similarities between

to investigate the similarities between

to investigate the similarities between Jesus and Buddha

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[Music] more than 400 years before Jesus

more than 400 years before Jesus

more than 400 years before Jesus appeared in Palestine prince siddhartha

appeared in Palestine prince siddhartha

appeared in Palestine prince siddhartha gautama was born the only son of a local

gautama was born the only son of a local

gautama was born the only son of a local king according to tradition his mother

king according to tradition his mother

king according to tradition his mother Maya gave birth to him miraculously like

Maya gave birth to him miraculously like

Maya gave birth to him miraculously like Jesus he was also predicted to become a

Jesus he was also predicted to become a

Jesus he was also predicted to become a great man from birth and wise men

great man from birth and wise men

great man from birth and wise men traveled to see him a Siddhartha neared

traveled to see him a Siddhartha neared

traveled to see him a Siddhartha neared his 30th birthday he began to realize

his 30th birthday he began to realize

his 30th birthday he began to realize the world was full of pain and suffering

the world was full of pain and suffering

the world was full of pain and suffering so he decided to leave home and take up

so he decided to leave home and take up

so he decided to leave home and take up the life of a wandering monk for the

the life of a wandering monk for the

the life of a wandering monk for the next six years he meditated on the

next six years he meditated on the

next six years he meditated on the sufferings of the world like Jesus he

sufferings of the world like Jesus he

sufferings of the world like Jesus he was also tempted by a devil figure but

was also tempted by a devil figure but

was also tempted by a devil figure but resisted finally one day while sitting

resisted finally one day while sitting

resisted finally one day while sitting under a tree he found enlightenment and

under a tree he found enlightenment and

under a tree he found enlightenment and began his ministry to teach the world

began his ministry to teach the world

began his ministry to teach the world about Dharma or the right way of living

today Buddhism has spread all over the

today Buddhism has spread all over the

today Buddhism has spread all over the world and has over 300 million followers

I had arranged to meet ic2 Rinpoche the

I had arranged to meet ic2 Rinpoche the

I had arranged to meet ic2 Rinpoche the twelfth reincarnation of a Buddhist Lama

twelfth reincarnation of a Buddhist Lama

twelfth reincarnation of a Buddhist Lama or spiritual master who can trace his

or spiritual master who can trace his

or spiritual master who can trace his lineage back to one of Prince Siddharth

lineage back to one of Prince Siddharth

lineage back to one of Prince Siddharth of original disciples Buddha as we know

of original disciples Buddha as we know

of original disciples Buddha as we know was born miraculously and we know that

was born miraculously and we know that

was born miraculously and we know that he like Jesus was tempted by the devil

he like Jesus was tempted by the devil

he like Jesus was tempted by the devil we know that he performed miracles and

we know that he performed miracles and

we know that he performed miracles and there are some miracles which are very

there are some miracles which are very

there are some miracles which are very similar to the miracles of Jesus walking

similar to the miracles of Jesus walking

similar to the miracles of Jesus walking on water we know that Jesus is life he

on water we know that Jesus is life he

on water we know that Jesus is life he challenges the religious order and so

challenges the religious order and so

challenges the religious order and so does Buddha

does Buddha

does Buddha so I mean how do you understand the

so I mean how do you understand the

so I mean how do you understand the similarities that there are in their

similarities that there are in their

similarities that there are in their lives just in the lives and the way that

lives just in the lives and the way that

lives just in the lives and the way that they're mapped out I this is interesting

they're mapped out I this is interesting

they're mapped out I this is interesting because on earth it cannot find one

because on earth it cannot find one

because on earth it cannot find one person who don't like to be happy and

person who don't like to be happy and

person who don't like to be happy and who like to suffer we cannot find one

who like to suffer we cannot find one

who like to suffer we cannot find one everybody like to be happy everybody

everybody like to be happy everybody

everybody like to be happy everybody don't want to suffer so the teaching of

don't want to suffer so the teaching of

don't want to suffer so the teaching of Buddha is based on that the teaching of

Buddha is based on that the teaching of

Buddha is based on that the teaching of Christ is based on that and why I think

Christ is based on that and why I think

Christ is based on that and why I think is because both of them are humans right

is because both of them are humans right

is because both of them are humans right but a good thing is if you are following

but a good thing is if you are following

but a good thing is if you are following a pure Christian lineage and then you

a pure Christian lineage and then you

a pure Christian lineage and then you are following the path already

are following the path already

are following the path already in the New Testament in John's Gospel

in the New Testament in John's Gospel

in the New Testament in John's Gospel Jesus taught that I am the way the truth

Jesus taught that I am the way the truth

Jesus taught that I am the way the truth and the life and that by following him

and the life and that by following him

and the life and that by following him you can enter the kingdom of God Buddha

you can enter the kingdom of God Buddha

you can enter the kingdom of God Buddha taught that if you follow his path and

taught that if you follow his path and

taught that if you follow his path and lead a moral life are mindful of your

lead a moral life are mindful of your

lead a moral life are mindful of your thoughts and actions and develop wisdom

thoughts and actions and develop wisdom

thoughts and actions and develop wisdom and compassion you could reach

and compassion you could reach

and compassion you could reach enlightenment too in their teachings

enlightenment too in their teachings

enlightenment too in their teachings both Jesus and Buddha provide a very

both Jesus and Buddha provide a very

both Jesus and Buddha provide a very practical guide to personal

practical guide to personal

practical guide to personal transformation that is remarkably

transformation that is remarkably

transformation that is remarkably similar do to others as you would have

similar do to others as you would have

similar do to others as you would have them do to you

them do to you

them do to you consider others as yourself professor

consider others as yourself professor

consider others as yourself professor Duncan Dorrit has been studying Buddhism

Duncan Dorrit has been studying Buddhism

Duncan Dorrit has been studying Buddhism for the past 50 years

for the past 50 years

for the past 50 years Eddy Buddhists here a the turban all

Eddy Buddhists here a the turban all

Eddy Buddhists here a the turban all about we Dimitri say to himself here is

about we Dimitri say to himself here is

about we Dimitri say to himself here is the teaching of a Buddha for sure if

the teaching of a Buddha for sure if

the teaching of a Buddha for sure if someone strikes you on the right cheek

someone strikes you on the right cheek

someone strikes you on the right cheek offer him the other also if anyone

offer him the other also if anyone

offer him the other also if anyone should give you a blow with his hand

should give you a blow with his hand

should give you a blow with his hand with a stick or with a knife you should

with a stick or with a knife you should

with a stick or with a knife you should abandon any desires and utter no evil

abandon any desires and utter no evil

abandon any desires and utter no evil words the Buddha had Jesus were

words the Buddha had Jesus were

words the Buddha had Jesus were attempting to achieve the same object

attempting to achieve the same object

attempting to achieve the same object that an individual could be shown how to

that an individual could be shown how to

that an individual could be shown how to be righteous righteousness is a

be righteous righteousness is a

be righteous righteousness is a technical term amongst the Jews and

technical term amongst the Jews and

technical term amongst the Jews and amongst Christians a righteous person

amongst Christians a righteous person

amongst Christians a righteous person will always look out for his duty to his

will always look out for his duty to his

will always look out for his duty to his name at the butcher on the other hand is

name at the butcher on the other hand is

name at the butcher on the other hand is looking for what was called Dharma and

looking for what was called Dharma and

looking for what was called Dharma and that can also be translated

that can also be translated

that can also be translated righteousness he wanted the individual

righteousness he wanted the individual

righteousness he wanted the individual to have a model somebody who has got rid

to have a model somebody who has got rid

to have a model somebody who has got rid of anything which have stands in the way

of anything which have stands in the way

of anything which have stands in the way of his being a perfect man love your

of his being a perfect man love your

of his being a perfect man love your enemies do good to those who hate you

enemies do good to those who hate you

enemies do good to those who hate you bless those who curse you pray for those

bless those who curse you pray for those

bless those who curse you pray for those who abused you from anyone who takes

who abused you from anyone who takes

who abused you from anyone who takes away your coat do not withhold even your

away your coat do not withhold even your

away your coat do not withhold even your shirt hatreds do not ever cease in this

shirt hatreds do not ever cease in this

shirt hatreds do not ever cease in this world by hating but by love this is an

world by hating but by love this is an

world by hating but by love this is an eternal truth overcome anger by love

eternal truth overcome anger by love

eternal truth overcome anger by love overcome evil by good overcome the miser

overcome evil by good overcome the miser

overcome evil by good overcome the miser by giving overcome the liar by truth

by giving overcome the liar by truth

by giving overcome the liar by truth the Buddhists think that there is a

the Buddhists think that there is a

the Buddhists think that there is a continuum of life and by perfecting

continuum of life and by perfecting

continuum of life and by perfecting oneself

oneself

oneself well reaches a stage where one is not

well reaches a stage where one is not

well reaches a stage where one is not reborn as Sufis no war Jesus talks about

reborn as Sufis no war Jesus talks about

reborn as Sufis no war Jesus talks about the kingdom of heaven which exists on

the kingdom of heaven which exists on

the kingdom of heaven which exists on the earth amongst those who are real

the earth amongst those who are real

the earth amongst those who are real subjects of the real cake that has got

subjects of the real cake that has got

subjects of the real cake that has got himself these teachings are very similar

himself these teachings are very similar

himself these teachings are very similar and the Buddhists would understand that

and the Buddhists would understand that

and the Buddhists would understand that the Christian and vice-versa there's so

the Christian and vice-versa there's so

the Christian and vice-versa there's so much similarity even in that aspect in

much similarity even in that aspect in

much similarity even in that aspect in Buddhism and Christianity because I

Buddhism and Christianity because I

Buddhism and Christianity because I spent times in monasteries and they use

spent times in monasteries and they use

spent times in monasteries and they use incense and they use rosary and also

incense and they use rosary and also

incense and they use rosary and also they use the fold in the hand during the

they use the fold in the hand during the

they use the fold in the hand during the prayer

it also we have a double doji they cross

it also we have a double doji they cross

it also we have a double doji they cross the Vajra and you have the cross so

the Vajra and you have the cross so

the Vajra and you have the cross so these are a lot of similarities are

these are a lot of similarities are

these are a lot of similarities are there when you are following a path with

there when you are following a path with

there when you are following a path with one motivation to make everything better

one motivation to make everything better

one motivation to make everything better make everyone free from suffering then

make everyone free from suffering then

make everyone free from suffering then regardless of how long it will take

regardless of how long it will take

regardless of how long it will take we are all going into the same direction

we are all going into the same direction

we are all going into the same direction you understand I understand yeah and

you understand I understand yeah and

you understand I understand yeah and it's not so as a Christian when I look

it's not so as a Christian when I look

it's not so as a Christian when I look at the teachings of Buddha and see the

at the teachings of Buddha and see the

at the teachings of Buddha and see the similarities in some ways I'm not just

similarities in some ways I'm not just

similarities in some ways I'm not just following Jesus I'm also following

following Jesus I'm also following

following Jesus I'm also following Buddha

Buddha

Buddha well I can respect that I can respect

well I can respect that I can respect

well I can respect that I can respect that but I cannot speak for you you you

that but I cannot speak for you you you

that but I cannot speak for you you you you you you have you have you have

you you you have you have you have

you you you have you have you have spoken

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in Tibetan Buddhism there is a type of

in Tibetan Buddhism there is a type of

in Tibetan Buddhism there is a type of holy figure known as a bodhisattva

holy figure known as a bodhisattva

holy figure known as a bodhisattva someone who was put on full

someone who was put on full

someone who was put on full enlightenment so they can help others

enlightenment so they can help others

enlightenment so they can help others along the right path here on earth many

along the right path here on earth many

along the right path here on earth many Buddhists think Jesus was a body sample

Buddhists think Jesus was a body sample

Buddhists think Jesus was a body sample [Music]

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[Music] before I left northern India I wanted to

before I left northern India I wanted to

before I left northern India I wanted to meet one of Tibetan Buddhism holiest

meet one of Tibetan Buddhism holiest

meet one of Tibetan Buddhism holiest leaders the guy yarmulke mapa or the one

leaders the guy yarmulke mapa or the one

leaders the guy yarmulke mapa or the one who carries out the teachings of Buddha

who carries out the teachings of Buddha

who carries out the teachings of Buddha the 17th reincarnation in a line

the 17th reincarnation in a line

the 17th reincarnation in a line stretching back over 800 years I was

stretching back over 800 years I was

stretching back over 800 years I was granted a private audience how would you

granted a private audience how would you

granted a private audience how would you explain Jesus as a Buddhist where would

explain Jesus as a Buddhist where would

explain Jesus as a Buddhist where would you place him this is sort of a champion

you place him this is sort of a champion

you place him this is sort of a champion events of Newtonian thought that Jesus

events of Newtonian thought that Jesus

events of Newtonian thought that Jesus was undoubtedly a great holy being for

was undoubtedly a great holy being for

was undoubtedly a great holy being for the world and from a Buddhist

the world and from a Buddhist

the world and from a Buddhist perspective we can definitely recognize

perspective we can definitely recognize

perspective we can definitely recognize him as a holy being when someone

him as a holy being when someone

him as a holy being when someone abandons his own self-interest for the

abandons his own self-interest for the

abandons his own self-interest for the benefit of others we can call him a

benefit of others we can call him a

benefit of others we can call him a bodhisattva although Jesus wasn't a

bodhisattva although Jesus wasn't a

bodhisattva although Jesus wasn't a Buddhist we can still call him a

Buddhist we can still call him a

Buddhist we can still call him a bodhisattva Kenneth waters one of the

bodhisattva Kenneth waters one of the

bodhisattva Kenneth waters one of the things that amazes me about the story of

things that amazes me about the story of

things that amazes me about the story of Jesus and the story of Buddha is the

Jesus and the story of Buddha is the

Jesus and the story of Buddha is the similarities in their teachings gives me

similarities in their teachings gives me

similarities in their teachings gives me now some Bhandari get said I narrated it

now some Bhandari get said I narrated it

now some Bhandari get said I narrated it to be honest their thoughts or teachings

to be honest their thoughts or teachings

to be honest their thoughts or teachings are similar because their motivation is

are similar because their motivation is

are similar because their motivation is to guide others towards the right path

to guide others towards the right path

to guide others towards the right path too much and Regina listen inducible

too much and Regina listen inducible

too much and Regina listen inducible if we look back into history the stories

if we look back into history the stories

if we look back into history the stories of these holy beings are always similar

of these holy beings are always similar

of these holy beings are always similar in that you and a door venez sanguis

in that you and a door venez sanguis

in that you and a door venez sanguis jim-dandy regime in the Sun King and

jim-dandy regime in the Sun King and

jim-dandy regime in the Sun King and Abernathy victim a during Buddhist such

Abernathy victim a during Buddhist such

Abernathy victim a during Buddhist such a moon is time the caste system was

a moon is time the caste system was

a moon is time the caste system was extremely prevalent remember this really

extremely prevalent remember this really

extremely prevalent remember this really our College

our College

our College Katya he worked very hard to undo the

Katya he worked very hard to undo the

Katya he worked very hard to undo the caste system and bring equality to all

caste system and bring equality to all

caste system and bring equality to all for example there were as many nuns as

for example there were as many nuns as

for example there were as many nuns as they were monks purged Bekasi Tomica

they were monks purged Bekasi Tomica

they were monks purged Bekasi Tomica this room all eternity precipitation

this room all eternity precipitation

this room all eternity precipitation tarnishing cheese

tarnishing cheese

tarnishing cheese has also brought about many similar

has also brought about many similar

has also brought about many similar changes such as equality and justice

changes such as equality and justice

changes such as equality and justice they both understood their society's

they both understood their society's

they both understood their society's problems and so challenged those dogmas

so what could be the cause of these

so what could be the cause of these

so what could be the cause of these similarities at the time that the Bible

similarities at the time that the Bible

similarities at the time that the Bible was being written

was being written

was being written we know that trade routes existed

we know that trade routes existed

we know that trade routes existed between India and Palestine via the Silk

between India and Palestine via the Silk

between India and Palestine via the Silk Road in the north and the sea in the

Road in the north and the sea in the

Road in the north and the sea in the south and there are even Western

south and there are even Western

south and there are even Western historical accounts of travellers

historical accounts of travellers

historical accounts of travellers diplomats and monks

diplomats and monks

diplomats and monks journeying from India to the Middle East

journeying from India to the Middle East

journeying from India to the Middle East according to Indian sources the emperor

according to Indian sources the emperor

according to Indian sources the emperor ashoka who ruled most of india two

ashoka who ruled most of india two

ashoka who ruled most of india two hundred and fifty years before Jesus was

hundred and fifty years before Jesus was

hundred and fifty years before Jesus was born sent Buddhist missionaries all over

born sent Buddhist missionaries all over

born sent Buddhist missionaries all over Asia and some may even have made it to

Asia and some may even have made it to

Asia and some may even have made it to Greece and Egypt so there is a

Greece and Egypt so there is a

Greece and Egypt so there is a possibility that Buddhists and

possibility that Buddhists and

possibility that Buddhists and Christians could have met and exchanged

Christians could have met and exchanged

Christians could have met and exchanged ideas in the course of this fishery

ideas in the course of this fishery

ideas in the course of this fishery endeavor Buddhists will have found their

endeavor Buddhists will have found their

endeavor Buddhists will have found their way to all the major centres of learning

way to all the major centres of learning

way to all the major centres of learning and so lives of Buddha will have found

and so lives of Buddha will have found

and so lives of Buddha will have found their way to Alexandria we could be sure

their way to Alexandria we could be sure

their way to Alexandria we could be sure of it

of it

of it they were engaging in a common search

they were engaging in a common search

they were engaging in a common search for truth not only to find the truth but

for truth not only to find the truth but

for truth not only to find the truth but how individuals might achieve it

how individuals might achieve it

how individuals might achieve it whatever their backgrounds so you may

whatever their backgrounds so you may

whatever their backgrounds so you may say them as a two-way exchange see

say them as a two-way exchange see

say them as a two-way exchange see result of hundred to cosmology

result of hundred to cosmology

result of hundred to cosmology GT coriaci chicken air yes it is very

GT coriaci chicken air yes it is very

GT coriaci chicken air yes it is very possible we have stories where sailors

possible we have stories where sailors

possible we have stories where sailors and soldiers who went on campaigns to

and soldiers who went on campaigns to

and soldiers who went on campaigns to Buddhist teachings with them some belief

Buddhist teachings with them some belief

Buddhist teachings with them some belief and I have been informed how during

and I have been informed how during

and I have been informed how during Jesus's last year's he came to India at

Jesus's last year's he came to India at

Jesus's last year's he came to India at the peak of Buddhism he was impressed by

the peak of Buddhism he was impressed by

the peak of Buddhism he was impressed by the teaching and took it back with him

the teaching and took it back with him

the teaching and took it back with him so yes it is very possible to zebras and

so yes it is very possible to zebras and

so yes it is very possible to zebras and as Buddhism developed the

as Buddhism developed the

as Buddhism developed the representatives of the Buddha said that

representatives of the Buddha said that

representatives of the Buddha said that there are Buddhist in other lands and

there are Buddhist in other lands and

there are Buddhist in other lands and where the story of Jesus is told and how

where the story of Jesus is told and how

where the story of Jesus is told and how he doing Li are deliberately drug his

he doing Li are deliberately drug his

he doing Li are deliberately drug his life away to show the result of his

life away to show the result of his

life away to show the result of his teaching there we are there's a Buddha

whether Buddhists and Christians did

whether Buddhists and Christians did

whether Buddhists and Christians did meet or not the similarities between the

meet or not the similarities between the

meet or not the similarities between the teachings of Jesus and Buddha are

teachings of Jesus and Buddha are

teachings of Jesus and Buddha are remarkable but many Christians still

remarkable but many Christians still

remarkable but many Christians still find it easy to reject this as they are

find it easy to reject this as they are

find it easy to reject this as they are thousands of miles and hundreds of years

thousands of miles and hundreds of years

thousands of miles and hundreds of years away from each other

away from each other

away from each other in the next part I will investigate two

in the next part I will investigate two

in the next part I will investigate two pagan gods much closer to home and much

pagan gods much closer to home and much

pagan gods much closer to home and much harder to dismiss one of London's most

harder to dismiss one of London's most

harder to dismiss one of London's most famous landmarks st. Paul's Cathedral is

famous landmarks st. Paul's Cathedral is

famous landmarks st. Paul's Cathedral is dedicated to Christianity's first

dedicated to Christianity's first

dedicated to Christianity's first theologian and after Jesus himself

theologian and after Jesus himself

theologian and after Jesus himself arguably its true founder the Apostle

arguably its true founder the Apostle

arguably its true founder the Apostle Paul

Paul

Paul it was Paul who first took Christianity

it was Paul who first took Christianity

it was Paul who first took Christianity out of its Jewish Palestinian setting

out of its Jewish Palestinian setting

out of its Jewish Palestinian setting and transformed it into a world beater

and transformed it into a world beater

and transformed it into a world beater it was Paul and his followers who

it was Paul and his followers who

it was Paul and his followers who created much of the Christianity we know

created much of the Christianity we know

created much of the Christianity we know today a religion of salvation by faith

today a religion of salvation by faith

today a religion of salvation by faith in Jesus

in Jesus

in Jesus a preexistent divine being sent to Earth

a preexistent divine being sent to Earth

a preexistent divine being sent to Earth by God to save us all from our sins much

by God to save us all from our sins much

by God to save us all from our sins much of the dogma that surrounds Jesus was

of the dogma that surrounds Jesus was

of the dogma that surrounds Jesus was created by Paul Paul describes himself

created by Paul Paul describes himself

created by Paul Paul describes himself as the apostle to the Gentiles or as we

as the apostle to the Gentiles or as we

as the apostle to the Gentiles or as we know them today

know them today

know them today pagans Paul was supremely practical in

pagans Paul was supremely practical in

pagans Paul was supremely practical in terms of converting non-believers and he

terms of converting non-believers and he

terms of converting non-believers and he even admits in his letter to the

even admits in his letter to the

even admits in his letter to the Corinthians I have become all things to

Corinthians I have become all things to

Corinthians I have become all things to all people that I might win them to

all people that I might win them to

all people that I might win them to Christ

Christ

Christ and what he meant by that was that he

and what he meant by that was that he

and what he meant by that was that he was willing to adapt and adjust himself

was willing to adapt and adjust himself

was willing to adapt and adjust himself to whatever circumstances he found

to whatever circumstances he found

to whatever circumstances he found himself and if that meant a little bit

himself and if that meant a little bit

himself and if that meant a little bit of borrowing from pagan religion then so

of borrowing from pagan religion then so

of borrowing from pagan religion then so be it

my search for the hidden Jesus has now

my search for the hidden Jesus has now

my search for the hidden Jesus has now brought me to the north of England to

brought me to the north of England to

brought me to the north of England to the border of the Roman Empire Hadrian's

the border of the Roman Empire Hadrian's

the border of the Roman Empire Hadrian's Wall when Jesus first appeared 2,000

Wall when Jesus first appeared 2,000

Wall when Jesus first appeared 2,000 years ago he was born into a world full

years ago he was born into a world full

years ago he was born into a world full of pagan gods and if he was to survive

of pagan gods and if he was to survive

of pagan gods and if he was to survive he would need to compete on their terms

he would need to compete on their terms

he would need to compete on their terms and this could mean reworking some of

and this could mean reworking some of

and this could mean reworking some of the best ideas that had already existed

the best ideas that had already existed

the best ideas that had already existed for thousands of years

just after the Second World War there

just after the Second World War there

just after the Second World War there was an incredible series of

was an incredible series of

was an incredible series of archaeological discoveries in the UK

archaeological discoveries in the UK

archaeological discoveries in the UK they reveal their network of Roman

they reveal their network of Roman

they reveal their network of Roman temples from London in the south to

temples from London in the south to

temples from London in the south to hatreds war in the north they were

hatreds war in the north they were

hatreds war in the north they were dedicated to a pagan religion that

dedicated to a pagan religion that

dedicated to a pagan religion that existed at the same time as Christianity

existed at the same time as Christianity

existed at the same time as Christianity and to a God who had striking

and to a God who had striking

and to a God who had striking similarities to Jesus Mithras

similarities to Jesus Mithras

similarities to Jesus Mithras [Music]

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[Music] Lindsey Alison Jones is the director of

Lindsey Alison Jones is the director of

Lindsey Alison Jones is the director of the museum of antiquities at the

the museum of antiquities at the

the museum of antiquities at the University of Newcastle and an expert in

University of Newcastle and an expert in

University of Newcastle and an expert in the mystery cult of Mithras oh wow this

the mystery cult of Mithras oh wow this

the mystery cult of Mithras oh wow this looks really well preserved now what

looks really well preserved now what

looks really well preserved now what could I have expected to see if it was

could I have expected to see if it was

could I have expected to see if it was in its original condition you probably

in its original condition you probably

in its original condition you probably would have seen very much at all because

would have seen very much at all because

would have seen very much at all because it was sunk right down the worshippers

it was sunk right down the worshippers

it was sunk right down the worshippers of Mithras we're trying to reconstruct

of Mithras we're trying to reconstruct

of Mithras we're trying to reconstruct in a sense the original cave of Mithras

in a sense the original cave of Mithras

in a sense the original cave of Mithras and they wanted it dark they wanted it

and they wanted it dark they wanted it

and they wanted it dark they wanted it subterranean this women door what you

subterranean this women door what you

subterranean this women door what you would have gone through here you would

would have gone through here you would

would have gone through here you would then come in through here into the

then come in through here into the

then come in through here into the actual temple itself and you'd see in

actual temple itself and you'd see in

actual temple itself and you'd see in front of you the three altars there and

front of you the three altars there and

front of you the three altars there and behind that there would be a large

behind that there would be a large

behind that there would be a large relief showing Mithras killing the

relief showing Mithras killing the

relief showing Mithras killing the primeval ball that was the act of

primeval ball that was the act of

primeval ball that was the act of creation for all the worshippers an

creation for all the worshippers an

creation for all the worshippers an interest may he bring us help may he

interest may he bring us help may he

interest may he bring us help may he bring us comfort may he bring us joy he

bring us comfort may he bring us joy he

bring us comfort may he bring us joy he the awful and overpowering worthy of

the awful and overpowering worthy of

the awful and overpowering worthy of sacrifice and prayer Mithra the lord of

sacrifice and prayer Mithra the lord of

sacrifice and prayer Mithra the lord of wide pastures

wide pastures

wide pastures and Mithras is a God to the good side I

and Mithras is a God to the good side I

and Mithras is a God to the good side I presume you're like yes Mithras was the

presume you're like yes Mithras was the

presume you're like yes Mithras was the Lord of lights that he was basically

Lord of lights that he was basically

Lord of lights that he was basically attached to the Sun God who ought amidst

attached to the Sun God who ought amidst

attached to the Sun God who ought amidst us to go and kill the primeval bull to

us to go and kill the primeval bull to

us to go and kill the primeval bull to release life force for the benefit of

release life force for the benefit of

release life force for the benefit of mankind

mankind

mankind what's interesting symbolism less you've

what's interesting symbolism less you've

what's interesting symbolism less you've got this powerful deity and then this

got this powerful deity and then this

got this powerful deity and then this kind of sub deity who acts as a kind a

kind of sub deity who acts as a kind a

kind of sub deity who acts as a kind a kind of Savior you think of humankind

kind of Savior you think of humankind

kind of Savior you think of humankind the rise of Mithras almost exactly

the rise of Mithras almost exactly

the rise of Mithras almost exactly parallels the rise of Jesus although his

parallels the rise of Jesus although his

parallels the rise of Jesus although his origins could be much more ancient some

origins could be much more ancient some

origins could be much more ancient some say he was created by the Romans others

say he was created by the Romans others

say he was created by the Romans others that he came from Persia and India

that he came from Persia and India

that he came from Persia and India Mithras was a well thing as a savior God

Mithras was a well thing as a savior God

Mithras was a well thing as a savior God he was unusual amongst the gods in that

he was unusual amongst the gods in that

he was unusual amongst the gods in that you weren't really trying to bribe him

you weren't really trying to bribe him

you weren't really trying to bribe him in quite the same way that they were

in quite the same way that they were

in quite the same way that they were trying to bide some of the other deities

trying to bide some of the other deities

trying to bide some of the other deities to make sure that you were your life on

to make sure that you were your life on

to make sure that you were your life on earth was as comfortable as possible

earth was as comfortable as possible

earth was as comfortable as possible Mithras was rare in that he actually

Mithras was rare in that he actually

Mithras was rare in that he actually offered you a life after death

offered you a life after death

offered you a life after death so if Mithras predated Jesus and is also

so if Mithras predated Jesus and is also

so if Mithras predated Jesus and is also a savior God who offered his followers a

a savior God who offered his followers a

a savior God who offered his followers a life after death did Christianity steal

life after death did Christianity steal

life after death did Christianity steal these ideas it was a mystery cult and we

these ideas it was a mystery cult and we

these ideas it was a mystery cult and we certainly know that they were having

certainly know that they were having

certainly know that they were having mature meals it seems to me a fairly

mature meals it seems to me a fairly

mature meals it seems to me a fairly basic feast based largely on the

basic feast based largely on the

basic feast based largely on the chickens on bread and on wine bread and

chickens on bread and on wine bread and

chickens on bread and on wine bread and wine yes you know it's got similarities

wine yes you know it's got similarities

wine yes you know it's got similarities with early Christianity the sense of

with early Christianity the sense of

with early Christianity the sense of feasting the sense of discipline you

feasting the sense of discipline you

feasting the sense of discipline you don't have to appease the deity you work

don't have to appease the deity you work

don't have to appease the deity you work at things for your own good there's a

at things for your own good there's a

at things for your own good there's a deity who is a God of light who is sent

deity who is a God of light who is sent

deity who is a God of light who is sent by a major deity to kill his nemesis in

by a major deity to kill his nemesis in

by a major deity to kill his nemesis in order to redeem and save the world yes

order to redeem and save the world yes

order to redeem and save the world yes the early Christian fathers who wrote a

the early Christian fathers who wrote a

the early Christian fathers who wrote a lot were very upset about Mithras and

lot were very upset about Mithras and

lot were very upset about Mithras and they thought that Mithraism that was

they thought that Mithraism that was

they thought that Mithraism that was parodying Christianity

parodying Christianity

parodying Christianity this so infuriated many early Christians

this so infuriated many early Christians

this so infuriated many early Christians that they felt they had to publicly

that they felt they had to publicly

that they felt they had to publicly denounce me thrust and his worshippers

denounce me thrust and his worshippers

denounce me thrust and his worshippers 1/4 century Christian writer and bro C

1/4 century Christian writer and bro C

1/4 century Christian writer and bro C asta tried to demonize their secret

asta tried to demonize their secret

asta tried to demonize their secret rituals what travesty is it then that

rituals what travesty is it then that

rituals what travesty is it then that they enact in the cave with veiled faces

they enact in the cave with veiled faces

they enact in the cave with veiled faces for they cover their eyes lest their

for they cover their eyes lest their

for they cover their eyes lest their deeds of shame should revoke them some

deeds of shame should revoke them some

deeds of shame should revoke them some like birds flap their wings imitating

like birds flap their wings imitating

like birds flap their wings imitating the Ravens cry others roar like lions

the Ravens cry others roar like lions

the Ravens cry others roar like lions others bind their hands with the

others bind their hands with the

others bind their hands with the entrails of fowls and fling themselves

entrails of fowls and fling themselves

entrails of fowls and fling themselves down over pits full of water

down over pits full of water

down over pits full of water what shameful mockeries for men who call

what shameful mockeries for men who call

what shameful mockeries for men who call themselves wise

another early church father Justin

another early church father Justin

another early church father Justin Martyr tried to claim it was Mithras who

Martyr tried to claim it was Mithras who

Martyr tried to claim it was Mithras who was copying Jesus Jesus took bread and

was copying Jesus Jesus took bread and

was copying Jesus Jesus took bread and when he had given thanks said this do ye

when he had given thanks said this do ye

when he had given thanks said this do ye in remembrance of me this is my body and

in remembrance of me this is my body and

in remembrance of me this is my body and having taken the cup and given thanks he

having taken the cup and given thanks he

having taken the cup and given thanks he said this is my blood and gave it to

said this is my blood and gave it to

said this is my blood and gave it to them alone which the wicked devils have

them alone which the wicked devils have

them alone which the wicked devils have imitated in the mysteries of Mithras the

imitated in the mysteries of Mithras the

imitated in the mysteries of Mithras the problem for Christians was that the

problem for Christians was that the

problem for Christians was that the similarities did not stop there one

similarities did not stop there one

similarities did not stop there one tradition claims Mithras even had a

tradition claims Mithras even had a

tradition claims Mithras even had a virgin birth Mithras there were two

virgin birth Mithras there were two

virgin birth Mithras there were two stories one that he was born from the

stories one that he was born from the

stories one that he was born from the living rock and the other she was born

living rock and the other she was born

living rock and the other she was born from the cosmic egg so there is

from the cosmic egg so there is

from the cosmic egg so there is potentially crossing of ideas and even

potentially crossing of ideas and even

potentially crossing of ideas and even potentially a merging of ideas between

potentially a merging of ideas between

potentially a merging of ideas between Mithras and early Christianity

Mithras and early Christianity

Mithras and early Christianity potentially there was even a story that

potentially there was even a story that

potentially there was even a story that Mithras birth was witnessed by shepherds

Mithras birth was witnessed by shepherds

Mithras birth was witnessed by shepherds watching their sheep but that again is a

watching their sheep but that again is a

watching their sheep but that again is a much later story and you don't know

much later story and you don't know

much later story and you don't know whether at this point

whether at this point

whether at this point Christianity Methodism in all getting

Christianity Methodism in all getting

Christianity Methodism in all getting rather intertwined and it's getting

rather intertwined and it's getting

rather intertwined and it's getting confused

confused

confused [Music]

[Music]

[Music] Mithras was a pagan god with a story a

Mithras was a pagan god with a story a

Mithras was a pagan god with a story a purpose and elements of ritual very

purpose and elements of ritual very

purpose and elements of ritual very similar to that of Jesus but one whose

similar to that of Jesus but one whose

similar to that of Jesus but one whose origins could predate him by thousands

origins could predate him by thousands

origins could predate him by thousands of years but the fact is that Mithra ISM

of years but the fact is that Mithra ISM

of years but the fact is that Mithra ISM failed to survive and it was

failed to survive and it was

failed to survive and it was Christianity that conquered the Roman

Christianity that conquered the Roman

Christianity that conquered the Roman Empire but we do know the early

Empire but we do know the early

Empire but we do know the early Christian fathers were very worried

Christian fathers were very worried

Christian fathers were very worried about the similarities between

about the similarities between

about the similarities between Christianity and mithra ISM especially

Christianity and mithra ISM especially

Christianity and mithra ISM especially the charge that Christianity borrowed

the charge that Christianity borrowed

the charge that Christianity borrowed many of its ideas from this pagan cult

many of its ideas from this pagan cult

many of its ideas from this pagan cult so when paganism was officially outlawed

so when paganism was officially outlawed

so when paganism was officially outlawed particular animosity was shown towards

particular animosity was shown towards

particular animosity was shown towards Mithra ISM many of its temples were

Mithra ISM many of its temples were

Mithra ISM many of its temples were destroyed and others had churches built

destroyed and others had churches built

destroyed and others had churches built on top of them but Mithra ISM did leave

on top of them but Mithra ISM did leave

on top of them but Mithra ISM did leave one mark on Christianity when later

one mark on Christianity when later

one mark on Christianity when later Church Fathers were deciding what

Church Fathers were deciding what

Church Fathers were deciding what anniversary to celebrate the birthday of

anniversary to celebrate the birthday of

anniversary to celebrate the birthday of Jesus they chose December the 25th the

Jesus they chose December the 25th the

Jesus they chose December the 25th the winter solstice which also happens to be

winter solstice which also happens to be

winter solstice which also happens to be the birthday of Mithras

the birthday of Mithras

the birthday of Mithras [Music]

[Music]

[Music] [Applause]

I had been told that there was another

I had been told that there was another

I had been told that there was another place one of the key locations for early

place one of the key locations for early

place one of the key locations for early Christianity where the similarities

Christianity where the similarities

Christianity where the similarities between Jesus and other pagan gods are

between Jesus and other pagan gods are

between Jesus and other pagan gods are even more obvious Egypt

even more obvious Egypt

even more obvious Egypt [Music]

[Music]

[Music] Christianity came very early to Egypt

Christianity came very early to Egypt

Christianity came very early to Egypt one tradition claims it arrived

one tradition claims it arrived

one tradition claims it arrived disabilities after Jesus's death

it has also always puzzled scholars why

it has also always puzzled scholars why

it has also always puzzled scholars why Christianity took hold so easily here

Christianity took hold so easily here

Christianity took hold so easily here one theory claims it was because of its

one theory claims it was because of its

one theory claims it was because of its many parallels with ancient Egyptian

many parallels with ancient Egyptian

many parallels with ancient Egyptian religious ideas and rituals

religious ideas and rituals

religious ideas and rituals [Music]

[Music]

Egyptologist dr. boy Jana Musa is an

Egyptologist dr. boy Jana Musa is an

Egyptologist dr. boy Jana Musa is an expert in the ancient cult of Osiris she

expert in the ancient cult of Osiris she

expert in the ancient cult of Osiris she claims it has uncanny similarities to

claims it has uncanny similarities to

claims it has uncanny similarities to Christianity and the story of Jesus I

Christianity and the story of Jesus I

Christianity and the story of Jesus I met her in Abydos in Upper Egypt at the

met her in Abydos in Upper Egypt at the

met her in Abydos in Upper Egypt at the 3300 year-old temple dedicated to the

3300 year-old temple dedicated to the

3300 year-old temple dedicated to the cult of Osiris can you tell me what

cult of Osiris can you tell me what

cult of Osiris can you tell me what happened here

happened here

happened here well once a year there was a festival of

well once a year there was a festival of

well once a year there was a festival of Osiris and the myth of Osiris is the

Osiris and the myth of Osiris is the

Osiris and the myth of Osiris is the most ancient myth of Egypt the festival

most ancient myth of Egypt the festival

most ancient myth of Egypt the festival lasted for about a week and reached its

lasted for about a week and reached its

lasted for about a week and reached its culmination on the last three days and

culmination on the last three days and

culmination on the last three days and on the first of those three days the

on the first of those three days the

on the first of those three days the earth body of Osiris would be buried

earth body of Osiris would be buried

earth body of Osiris would be buried during the second day vigils in the

during the second day vigils in the

during the second day vigils in the temple was said for the gods

temple was said for the gods

temple was said for the gods resurrection and then on the morning of

resurrection and then on the morning of

resurrection and then on the morning of the third day the statue was brought out

the third day the statue was brought out

the third day the statue was brought out into the court through here and all the

into the court through here and all the

into the court through here and all the pilgrims who have gathered from all over

pilgrims who have gathered from all over

pilgrims who have gathered from all over Egypt celebrated the resurrection of

Egypt celebrated the resurrection of

Egypt celebrated the resurrection of Osiris how common was that kind of story

Osiris how common was that kind of story

Osiris how common was that kind of story because for me the story of death and

because for me the story of death and

because for me the story of death and resurrection of a deity emerges with

resurrection of a deity emerges with

resurrection of a deity emerges with Christianity so was it common for people

Christianity so was it common for people

Christianity so was it common for people to think this way

to think this way

to think this way well in the Nile Valley it was and in

well in the Nile Valley it was and in

well in the Nile Valley it was and in the ancient Near East you also have the

the ancient Near East you also have the

the ancient Near East you also have the myths of the sacrificed Savior gods who

myths of the sacrificed Savior gods who

myths of the sacrificed Savior gods who died for the people and were resurrected

died for the people and were resurrected

died for the people and were resurrected came back to life and would lead all the

came back to life and would lead all the

came back to life and would lead all the right ear souls to salvation and eternal

right ear souls to salvation and eternal

right ear souls to salvation and eternal life what would I've seen if I was here

life what would I've seen if I was here

life what would I've seen if I was here three thousand four thousand years ago

three thousand four thousand years ago

three thousand four thousand years ago during the festival on that night where

during the festival on that night where

during the festival on that night where the buried Osiris lights were mitad

the buried Osiris lights were mitad

the buried Osiris lights were mitad candles were lit all over Egypt to

candles were lit all over Egypt to

candles were lit all over Egypt to commemorate his

commemorate his

commemorate his so if you imagine the temple which is

so if you imagine the temple which is

so if you imagine the temple which is full of light full of incense people

full of light full of incense people

full of light full of incense people carrying candles and praying for the

carrying candles and praying for the

carrying candles and praying for the gods resurrection the mystery of it

gods resurrection the mystery of it

gods resurrection the mystery of it chanting prayers for his resurrection

chanting prayers for his resurrection

chanting prayers for his resurrection if you imagine incense candlelight

if you imagine incense candlelight

if you imagine incense candlelight vigils it would have been magical

vigils it would have been magical

vigils it would have been magical [Music]

[Music]

[Music] many similar rituals are still carried

many similar rituals are still carried

many similar rituals are still carried on today by the Egyptian Coptic Church

on today by the Egyptian Coptic Church

on today by the Egyptian Coptic Church which other elements within this passion

which other elements within this passion

which other elements within this passion play within this myth have parallels

play within this myth have parallels

play within this myth have parallels with Christianity well baptism in the

with Christianity well baptism in the

with Christianity well baptism in the holy river in the Nile which were

holy river in the Nile which were

holy river in the Nile which were considered to be a sacred River the

considered to be a sacred River the

considered to be a sacred River the sacred Nile water which was carried into

sacred Nile water which was carried into

sacred Nile water which was carried into the temple and the statues were anointed

the temple and the statues were anointed

the temple and the statues were anointed with it the eating of corn bread as the

with it the eating of corn bread as the

with it the eating of corn bread as the body of Osiris because corn came about

body of Osiris because corn came about

body of Osiris because corn came about through the sacrifice of Osiris so this

through the sacrifice of Osiris so this

through the sacrifice of Osiris so this whole eating of bread and drinking of

whole eating of bread and drinking of

whole eating of bread and drinking of beer that issued from the risen God is

beer that issued from the risen God is

beer that issued from the risen God is also paralleled by the Eucharist mass in

also paralleled by the Eucharist mass in

also paralleled by the Eucharist mass in Christianity so the corn bed and the

Christianity so the corn bed and the

Christianity so the corn bed and the beer are paralleled today by having the

beer are paralleled today by having the

beer are paralleled today by having the bread and the wine but it's 3,000 years

bread and the wine but it's 3,000 years

bread and the wine but it's 3,000 years ago

ago

ago [Music]

[Music]

[Music] there's a very interesting image in that

there's a very interesting image in that

there's a very interesting image in that last room and it consists of the dead

last room and it consists of the dead

last room and it consists of the dead Osiris as a mummy placed on a lion bed

Osiris as a mummy placed on a lion bed

Osiris as a mummy placed on a lion bed his wife Isis hovers over him like a

his wife Isis hovers over him like a

his wife Isis hovers over him like a kite like a boat and at this moment they

kite like a boat and at this moment they

kite like a boat and at this moment they engendering the savior child so it is

engendering the savior child so it is

engendering the savior child so it is the moment that life is being

the moment that life is being

the moment that life is being transferred from from death to life from

transferred from from death to life from

transferred from from death to life from father to son so it's sort of like a

father to son so it's sort of like a

father to son so it's sort of like a miraculous birth it's a miraculous birth

miraculous birth it's a miraculous birth

miraculous birth it's a miraculous birth of the savior child well these were

of the savior child well these were

of the savior child well these were ideas we find in the Christian story of

ideas we find in the Christian story of

ideas we find in the Christian story of Jesus the Christianity just steal these

Jesus the Christianity just steal these

Jesus the Christianity just steal these ideas from this Egyptian myth well I

ideas from this Egyptian myth well I

ideas from this Egyptian myth well I wouldn't go that far I would think that

wouldn't go that far I would think that

wouldn't go that far I would think that Christianity had its own message a new

Christianity had its own message a new

Christianity had its own message a new message a new philosophy to offer it

message a new philosophy to offer it

message a new philosophy to offer it simply borrowed these ideas to explain

simply borrowed these ideas to explain

simply borrowed these ideas to explain its own message more clearly to reach

its own message more clearly to reach

its own message more clearly to reach vast amount of people and this is

vast amount of people and this is

vast amount of people and this is possibly the secret widespread in Egypt

possibly the secret widespread in Egypt

possibly the secret widespread in Egypt so quickly so when Paul says I become

so quickly so when Paul says I become

so quickly so when Paul says I become all things to all people like until I

all things to all people like until I

all things to all people like until I can win them to Christ this was an

can win them to Christ this was an

can win them to Christ this was an example of that happening whether we're

example of that happening whether we're

example of that happening whether we're using these stories to help explain the

using these stories to help explain the

using these stories to help explain the Christian story yes I think that's

Christian story yes I think that's

Christian story yes I think that's probably right this is a major

probably right this is a major

probably right this is a major revelation because it seems to me you're

revelation because it seems to me you're

revelation because it seems to me you're suggesting that the idea of a savior God

suggesting that the idea of a savior God

suggesting that the idea of a savior God who redeems the world doesn't just begin

who redeems the world doesn't just begin

who redeems the world doesn't just begin with modern Europe doesn't even begin

with modern Europe doesn't even begin

with modern Europe doesn't even begin with the ancient Near East it goes all

with the ancient Near East it goes all

with the ancient Near East it goes all the way back to the earliest forms of

the way back to the earliest forms of

the way back to the earliest forms of human experience out of Africa

human experience out of Africa

human experience out of Africa absolutely it does

while it may be easy for some Christians

while it may be easy for some Christians

while it may be easy for some Christians to reject any similarities between Jesus

to reject any similarities between Jesus

to reject any similarities between Jesus and ancient Indian gods thousands of

and ancient Indian gods thousands of

and ancient Indian gods thousands of miles away the Roman god Mithras and the

miles away the Roman god Mithras and the

miles away the Roman god Mithras and the ancient Egyptian cult of Osiris are just

ancient Egyptian cult of Osiris are just

ancient Egyptian cult of Osiris are just too close to home

too close to home

too close to home to be dismissed so easily but what about

to be dismissed so easily but what about

to be dismissed so easily but what about the historical Jesus the one who lived

the historical Jesus the one who lived

the historical Jesus the one who lived and died in Rome in Palestine if you

and died in Rome in Palestine if you

and died in Rome in Palestine if you strip away all the Christian dogma

strip away all the Christian dogma

strip away all the Christian dogma around Jesus the theology created by

around Jesus the theology created by

around Jesus the theology created by Paul and his followers what are you left

Paul and his followers what are you left

Paul and his followers what are you left with Jesus the Jew in the next part we

with Jesus the Jew in the next part we

with Jesus the Jew in the next part we see how Jews have a very different story

see how Jews have a very different story

see how Jews have a very different story about Jesus and how some Orthodox Jews

about Jesus and how some Orthodox Jews

about Jesus and how some Orthodox Jews even see him as their enemy

[Music]

[Music]

[Music]

[Music] Jerusalem a city holy to Jews Christians

Jerusalem a city holy to Jews Christians

Jerusalem a city holy to Jews Christians and Muslims

and Muslims

and Muslims two thousand years ago a massive temple

two thousand years ago a massive temple

two thousand years ago a massive temple dominated the city the focal point of

dominated the city the focal point of

dominated the city the focal point of Jewish worship and today its remaining

Jewish worship and today its remaining

Jewish worship and today its remaining walls are still a sacred place for all

walls are still a sacred place for all

walls are still a sacred place for all Jews every week hundreds of young Jewish

Jews every week hundreds of young Jewish

Jews every week hundreds of young Jewish boys celebrate their coming-of-age here

boys celebrate their coming-of-age here

boys celebrate their coming-of-age here with there are mitzvahs

with there are mitzvahs

with there are mitzvahs [Music]

although today Jesus is known as the

although today Jesus is known as the

although today Jesus is known as the founder of Christianity he was of course

founder of Christianity he was of course

founder of Christianity he was of course a Jew the Bible tells us that his 12th

a Jew the Bible tells us that his 12th

a Jew the Bible tells us that his 12th birthday he came here to Jerusalem to

birthday he came here to Jerusalem to

birthday he came here to Jerusalem to the great Jewish temple his Bar Mitzvah

the great Jewish temple his Bar Mitzvah

the great Jewish temple his Bar Mitzvah his ritual coming-of-age for the last

his ritual coming-of-age for the last

his ritual coming-of-age for the last 2,000 years Christianity and Judaism

2,000 years Christianity and Judaism

2,000 years Christianity and Judaism have been at war over Jesus why because

have been at war over Jesus why because

have been at war over Jesus why because of what some consider to be

of what some consider to be

of what some consider to be Christianity's greatest ever lie that

Christianity's greatest ever lie that

Christianity's greatest ever lie that the Jews were responsible for the death

the Jews were responsible for the death

the Jews were responsible for the death of Jesus on the cross

of Jesus on the cross

of Jesus on the cross this simple untruth laid the foundations

this simple untruth laid the foundations

this simple untruth laid the foundations for centuries of brutal and bloody

for centuries of brutal and bloody

for centuries of brutal and bloody anti-semitism ending with the Nazi led

anti-semitism ending with the Nazi led

anti-semitism ending with the Nazi led Holocaust of the Second World War so it

Holocaust of the Second World War so it

Holocaust of the Second World War so it should be no surprise that many Jews

should be no surprise that many Jews

should be no surprise that many Jews still considered Jesus a symbol of

still considered Jesus a symbol of

still considered Jesus a symbol of oppression and suffering

Robert welcome to the show thank you

Robert welcome to the show thank you

Robert welcome to the show thank you it's a pleasure to be with you rabbi to

it's a pleasure to be with you rabbi to

it's a pleasure to be with you rabbi to be a singer is an Orthodox Jews born in

be a singer is an Orthodox Jews born in

be a singer is an Orthodox Jews born in New York who hosts a weekly show on

New York who hosts a weekly show on

New York who hosts a weekly show on Israeli national radio in which he takes

Israeli national radio in which he takes

Israeli national radio in which he takes on Christian fundamentalists about their

on Christian fundamentalists about their

on Christian fundamentalists about their faith and in particular their belief in

faith and in particular their belief in

faith and in particular their belief in Jesus as the Messiah I'm an Orthodox Jew

Jesus as the Messiah I'm an Orthodox Jew

Jesus as the Messiah I'm an Orthodox Jew I don't believe in Jesus is there any

I don't believe in Jesus is there any

I don't believe in Jesus is there any other figure in history

other figure in history

other figure in history that's come to represent our pain how

that's come to represent our pain how

that's come to represent our pain how many millions of Jews have died because

many millions of Jews have died because

many millions of Jews have died because of this you are a Christian a devout

of this you are a Christian a devout

of this you are a Christian a devout Christian devote your life destroying

Christian devote your life destroying

Christian devote your life destroying listen in terms of Judaism for me I

listen in terms of Judaism for me I

listen in terms of Judaism for me I can't be Christian without taking

can't be Christian without taking

can't be Christian without taking Judaism seriously when I read the

Judaism seriously when I read the

Judaism seriously when I read the teachings of Jesus the life of Jesus I

teachings of Jesus the life of Jesus I

teachings of Jesus the life of Jesus I read Jesus in light of the Hebrew

read Jesus in light of the Hebrew

read Jesus in light of the Hebrew Scriptures for me as a Christian Judaism

Scriptures for me as a Christian Judaism

Scriptures for me as a Christian Judaism is an integral part of reading and

is an integral part of reading and

is an integral part of reading and understanding who Jesus was and who

understanding who Jesus was and who

understanding who Jesus was and who Jesus is of all Christians over the past

Jesus is of all Christians over the past

Jesus is of all Christians over the past 2,000 years thought the way you do

2,000 years thought the way you do

2,000 years thought the way you do there'll be millions of more Jews in the

there'll be millions of more Jews in the

there'll be millions of more Jews in the world this would be a very different

world this would be a very different

world this would be a very different kind of world

kind of world

kind of world [Music]

[Music]

[Music] most Jews have no issue with Jesus he

most Jews have no issue with Jesus he

most Jews have no issue with Jesus he just has no place in their lives but but

just has no place in their lives but but

just has no place in their lives but but some Orthodox Jews like rabbi singer

some Orthodox Jews like rabbi singer

some Orthodox Jews like rabbi singer Jesus was responsible for a new religion

Jesus was responsible for a new religion

Jesus was responsible for a new religion that tried to undermine and destroy

that tried to undermine and destroy

that tried to undermine and destroy their faith by converting them to

their faith by converting them to

their faith by converting them to Christianity for them Jesus is not a

Christianity for them Jesus is not a

Christianity for them Jesus is not a savior but a symbol of oppression

savior but a symbol of oppression

savior but a symbol of oppression in the ancient Jewish books that make up

in the ancient Jewish books that make up

in the ancient Jewish books that make up the Talmud there is a completely

the Talmud there is a completely

the Talmud there is a completely different narrative to Jesus's life

different narrative to Jesus's life

different narrative to Jesus's life instead of being the Son of God he's

instead of being the Son of God he's

instead of being the Son of God he's described as the son of Mary

described as the son of Mary

described as the son of Mary born out of wedlock instead of a wise

born out of wedlock instead of a wise

born out of wedlock instead of a wise and charismatic teacher who performed

and charismatic teacher who performed

and charismatic teacher who performed miracles he's seen as a fraudulent

miracles he's seen as a fraudulent

miracles he's seen as a fraudulent magician instead of the leader of a new

magician instead of the leader of a new

magician instead of the leader of a new religious movement he is a dangerous era

religious movement he is a dangerous era

religious movement he is a dangerous era tick

you know we have a little problem just

you know we have a little problem just

you know we have a little problem just understanding who really was Jesus then

understanding who really was Jesus then

understanding who really was Jesus then is that Jesus wrote nothing but a line

is that Jesus wrote nothing but a line

is that Jesus wrote nothing but a line in the sand in the book of John see the

in the sand in the book of John see the

in the sand in the book of John see the problem for the Jewish people or any

problem for the Jewish people or any

problem for the Jewish people or any non-christian is how do we know what a

non-christian is how do we know what a

non-christian is how do we know what a person who wrote nothing how do we know

person who wrote nothing how do we know

person who wrote nothing how do we know what he was really like says Jesus

what he was really like says Jesus

what he was really like says Jesus heretic the Bible tells us in the book

heretic the Bible tells us in the book

heretic the Bible tells us in the book of Deuteronomy chapter 13 particularly

of Deuteronomy chapter 13 particularly

of Deuteronomy chapter 13 particularly that the false populace to be rejected

that the false populace to be rejected

that the false populace to be rejected as a Christian I was taught that Jesus

as a Christian I was taught that Jesus

as a Christian I was taught that Jesus was the son of God the Messiah from your

was the son of God the Messiah from your

was the son of God the Messiah from your perspective is that false teaching

perspective is that false teaching

perspective is that false teaching depends what you mean by the son of God

depends what you mean by the son of God

depends what you mean by the son of God so for you Jesus

so for you Jesus

so for you Jesus could not be part of the Godhead even

could not be part of the Godhead even

could not be part of the Godhead even more so no one could there is no Godhead

okay no mana but there are some Jews who

okay no mana but there are some Jews who

okay no mana but there are some Jews who do believe in Jesus one group known as

do believe in Jesus one group known as

do believe in Jesus one group known as Jews for Jesus have been operating in

Jews for Jesus have been operating in

Jews for Jesus have been operating in Israel for the last 12 years

every week they hand out leaflets on the

every week they hand out leaflets on the

every week they hand out leaflets on the streets of Tel Aviv trying to convince

streets of Tel Aviv trying to convince

streets of Tel Aviv trying to convince their fellow Israelis that Jesus is the

their fellow Israelis that Jesus is the

their fellow Israelis that Jesus is the Messiah

the leader is dancer ed this track says

the leader is dancer ed this track says

the leader is dancer ed this track says here Yeshua had sylheti Yeshua Jesus

here Yeshua had sylheti Yeshua Jesus

here Yeshua had sylheti Yeshua Jesus saved me

saved me

saved me Jews the Jesus claimed the Hebrew word

Jews the Jesus claimed the Hebrew word

Jews the Jesus claimed the Hebrew word commonly used to describe Jesus Yeshua

commonly used to describe Jesus Yeshua

commonly used to describe Jesus Yeshua is an ancient curse this named this

is an ancient curse this named this

is an ancient curse this named this acronym that they gave him is actually a

acronym that they gave him is actually a

acronym that they gave him is actually a curse and it means may his name and

curse and it means may his name and

curse and it means may his name and memory be blotted out but that's not his

memory be blotted out but that's not his

memory be blotted out but that's not his real name his real name is Yeshua Yeshua

real name his real name is Yeshua Yeshua

real name his real name is Yeshua Yeshua is a Hebrew word which means salvation

is a Hebrew word which means salvation

is a Hebrew word which means salvation and that's what we are doing we're

and that's what we are doing we're

and that's what we are doing we're trying to tell people that reassurance

trying to tell people that reassurance

trying to tell people that reassurance is salvation how do you describe

is salvation how do you describe

is salvation how do you describe yourself there because if you were in

yourself there because if you were in

yourself there because if you were in Birmingham England where I come from and

Birmingham England where I come from and

Birmingham England where I come from and you said to people that you follow Jesus

you said to people that you follow Jesus

you said to people that you follow Jesus let's say you're Christian but here

let's say you're Christian but here

let's say you're Christian but here first first of all first of all I say

first first of all first of all I say

first first of all first of all I say that I'm a hundred percent Jewish and a

that I'm a hundred percent Jewish and a

that I'm a hundred percent Jewish and a hundred percent question those two

hundred percent question those two

hundred percent question those two things do not contradict how I define

things do not contradict how I define

things do not contradict how I define myself I'm a Jew for Jesus Jews the

myself I'm a Jew for Jesus Jews the

myself I'm a Jew for Jesus Jews the Jesus say they are fulfilling Jesus's

Jesus say they are fulfilling Jesus's

Jesus say they are fulfilling Jesus's original mission to persuade other Jews

original mission to persuade other Jews

original mission to persuade other Jews that he is the Messiah out of an Israeli

that he is the Messiah out of an Israeli

that he is the Messiah out of an Israeli population of six million they claim a

population of six million they claim a

population of six million they claim a membership of just three thousand under

membership of just three thousand under

membership of just three thousand under Israeli law they are forbidden to offer

Israeli law they are forbidden to offer

Israeli law they are forbidden to offer any incentives to entice new converts

any incentives to entice new converts

any incentives to entice new converts and they face huge opposition from

and they face huge opposition from

and they face huge opposition from Eartha docks Jews rabbi singer Lind an

Eartha docks Jews rabbi singer Lind an

Eartha docks Jews rabbi singer Lind an organization that was set up to combat

organization that was set up to combat

organization that was set up to combat any attempt to convert Jews to other

any attempt to convert Jews to other

any attempt to convert Jews to other faiths they're seeking to destroy our

faiths they're seeking to destroy our

faiths they're seeking to destroy our faith that means that this is a direct

faith that means that this is a direct

faith that means that this is a direct assault on the on Judaism you know what

assault on the on Judaism you know what

assault on the on Judaism you know what they're saying they're saying that

they're saying they're saying that

they're saying they're saying that Judaism is a false defective faith from

Judaism is a false defective faith from

Judaism is a false defective faith from which you need to be saved

which you need to be saved

which you need to be saved rabbi singer believes dancer netted his

rabbi singer believes dancer netted his

rabbi singer believes dancer netted his colleagues are just Christians posing as

colleagues are just Christians posing as

colleagues are just Christians posing as Jews so they can infiltrate Jewish

Jews so they can infiltrate Jewish

Jews so they can infiltrate Jewish communities and make new converts to

communities and make new converts to

communities and make new converts to Jesus I think there is a lot of

Jesus I think there is a lot of

Jesus I think there is a lot of ignorance if you want to believe them

ignorance if you want to believe them

ignorance if you want to believe them believe in it if you want to refuse

believe in it if you want to refuse

believe in it if you want to refuse refuse you know we're not forcing you to

refuse you know we're not forcing you to

refuse you know we're not forcing you to do anything you know the choice is yours

do anything you know the choice is yours

do anything you know the choice is yours they actually blur the distinctions

they actually blur the distinctions

they actually blur the distinctions between Judaism and Christianity and

between Judaism and Christianity and

between Judaism and Christianity and order to war Jews who would otherwise

order to war Jews who would otherwise

order to war Jews who would otherwise lose resist the straightforward

lose resist the straightforward

lose resist the straightforward Christian message I would respond that

Christian message I would respond that

Christian message I would respond that Jesus again gave people freedom so if

Jesus again gave people freedom so if

Jesus again gave people freedom so if you are a Jewish person then you come to

you are a Jewish person then you come to

you are a Jewish person then you come to faith in Jesus and you still want to

faith in Jesus and you still want to

faith in Jesus and you still want to keep the Shabbat your back and put a

keep the Shabbat your back and put a

keep the Shabbat your back and put a yarmulke on and do all those things you

yarmulke on and do all those things you

yarmulke on and do all those things you can do it once you believe in him the

can do it once you believe in him the

can do it once you believe in him the rest of it doesn't matter it's a knife

rest of it doesn't matter it's a knife

rest of it doesn't matter it's a knife in our hearts tonight from my heart as a

in our hearts tonight from my heart as a

in our hearts tonight from my heart as a Jew as a teacher is Arab Allah

the Crusaders that came into the city in

the Crusaders that came into the city in

the Crusaders that came into the city in 1099 what do they have painted on their

1099 what do they have painted on their

1099 what do they have painted on their shields that image meant destruction

shields that image meant destruction

shields that image meant destruction every Jew in the city

every Jew in the city

every Jew in the city July 15th herded into a synagogue that

July 15th herded into a synagogue that

July 15th herded into a synagogue that doors were locked

doors were locked

doors were locked John 15:6 read aloud those who do not

John 15:6 read aloud those who do not

John 15:6 read aloud those who do not accept we burnt they proclaimed we do

accept we burnt they proclaimed we do

accept we burnt they proclaimed we do this to honor Christ I was told about

this to honor Christ I was told about

this to honor Christ I was told about another group of Jews whose belief in

another group of Jews whose belief in

another group of Jews whose belief in Jesus has brought them into violent

Jesus has brought them into violent

Jesus has brought them into violent conflict with their Orthodox Jewish

conflict with their Orthodox Jewish

conflict with their Orthodox Jewish neighbors did you feel worried fill me

neighbors did you feel worried fill me

neighbors did you feel worried fill me it's my hands were a bit shaky yeah yeah

it's my hands were a bit shaky yeah yeah

it's my hands were a bit shaky yeah yeah kiemce Figueres is an Israeli Christian

kiemce Figueres is an Israeli Christian

kiemce Figueres is an Israeli Christian and pastor of the congregation his wife

and pastor of the congregation his wife

and pastor of the congregation his wife debbie is from a Jewish background

they're comparing us to Hitler and the

they're comparing us to Hitler and the

they're comparing us to Hitler and the Nazis whenever they tried to hold a

Nazis whenever they tried to hold a

Nazis whenever they tried to hold a religious meeting groups of Orthodox

religious meeting groups of Orthodox

religious meeting groups of Orthodox Jews often try to disrupt them sometimes

Jews often try to disrupt them sometimes

Jews often try to disrupt them sometimes violently just thrown something at the

violently just thrown something at the

violently just thrown something at the house how long have you had this kind of

house how long have you had this kind of

house how long have you had this kind of hostility yeah the the police is almost

hostility yeah the the police is almost

hostility yeah the the police is almost never there and and they they feel free

never there and and they they feel free

never there and and they they feel free to come to our house it's more or less

to come to our house it's more or less

to come to our house it's more or less than usual stuff that happens here every

than usual stuff that happens here every

than usual stuff that happens here every week Jesus was a Jew and he wanted other

week Jesus was a Jew and he wanted other

week Jesus was a Jew and he wanted other Jews to follow him and what he believed

Jews to follow him and what he believed

Jews to follow him and what he believed about God it's not what you see yourself

about God it's not what you see yourself

about God it's not what you see yourself doing yeah I'm a Jew and I tell other

doing yeah I'm a Jew and I tell other

doing yeah I'm a Jew and I tell other Jewish people that Jesus is the way as

Jewish people that Jesus is the way as

Jewish people that Jesus is the way as much as I can I don't force it down

much as I can I don't force it down

much as I can I don't force it down their throat and yeah you know I don't

their throat and yeah you know I don't

their throat and yeah you know I don't force anybody to listen to me

force anybody to listen to me

force anybody to listen to me converting

converting

converting was at the heart of Christian history do

was at the heart of Christian history do

was at the heart of Christian history do you see yourself Dennis being part of

you see yourself Dennis being part of

you see yourself Dennis being part of that history of needing to convert Jews

that history of needing to convert Jews

that history of needing to convert Jews to make them see that Jesus is the

to make them see that Jesus is the

to make them see that Jesus is the Messiah that the word conversion I feel

Messiah that the word conversion I feel

Messiah that the word conversion I feel a bit a little bit uneasy with Paul did

a bit a little bit uneasy with Paul did

a bit a little bit uneasy with Paul did not tried to make Jews non-jews he

not tried to make Jews non-jews he

not tried to make Jews non-jews he himself says about himself I am a Jew so

himself says about himself I am a Jew so

himself says about himself I am a Jew so we're not trying to convert any Jew

we're not trying to convert any Jew

we're not trying to convert any Jew we're trying to show every human being

we're trying to show every human being

we're trying to show every human being to show them the light of Jesus of the

to show them the light of Jesus of the

to show them the light of Jesus of the Messiah and to Jews even more so as the

Messiah and to Jews even more so as the

Messiah and to Jews even more so as the light of their own Messiah he will come

light of their own Messiah he will come

light of their own Messiah he will come the day will come we read it in the

the day will come we read it in the

the day will come we read it in the profits that the Jewish nation will have

profits that the Jewish nation will have

profits that the Jewish nation will have a personal intimate encounter with the

a personal intimate encounter with the

a personal intimate encounter with the Messiah we're just there to tell whoever

Messiah we're just there to tell whoever

Messiah we're just there to tell whoever wants to hear that Jesus is the Messiah

wants to hear that Jesus is the Messiah

wants to hear that Jesus is the Messiah that they're waiting for that Jesus the

that they're waiting for that Jesus the

that they're waiting for that Jesus the Jewish Messiah is their Messiah while I

Jewish Messiah is their Messiah while I

Jewish Messiah is their Messiah while I was talking to Debbie in yaqeen we heard

was talking to Debbie in yaqeen we heard

was talking to Debbie in yaqeen we heard voices outside their Orthodox Jewish

voices outside their Orthodox Jewish

voices outside their Orthodox Jewish neighbors had arrived so I went to

neighbors had arrived so I went to

neighbors had arrived so I went to investigate

investigate

investigate [Music]

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they refused to talk to me and then the

they refused to talk to me and then the

they refused to talk to me and then the Israeli police turned up

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Debbi Figueres also came out and tried

Debbi Figueres also came out and tried

Debbi Figueres also came out and tried to reason with them obviously this is

to reason with them obviously this is

to reason with them obviously this is quite unnerving you've got a protest

quite unnerving you've got a protest

quite unnerving you've got a protest taking place and the police have just

taking place and the police have just

taking place and the police have just arrived what it says to me is that Jesus

arrived what it says to me is that Jesus

arrived what it says to me is that Jesus still matters today in Israel he's still

still matters today in Israel he's still

still matters today in Israel he's still a person of contention if you're a Jew

a person of contention if you're a Jew

a person of contention if you're a Jew who follows Jesus it's not that simple

who follows Jesus it's not that simple

who follows Jesus it's not that simple you may end up having a protest outside

you may end up having a protest outside

you may end up having a protest outside your home and antagonizing Jews who

your home and antagonizing Jews who

your home and antagonizing Jews who still see Jesus and Christianity as a

still see Jesus and Christianity as a

still see Jesus and Christianity as a symbol of oppression and suffering

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[Applause] I worried that things might escalate and

I worried that things might escalate and

I worried that things might escalate and that somebody manned are being hurt yes

that somebody manned are being hurt yes

that somebody manned are being hurt yes yes right now no one thank God was

yes right now no one thank God was

yes right now no one thank God was physically hurt but it takes only one

physically hurt but it takes only one

physically hurt but it takes only one more zealous person to take the

more zealous person to take the

more zealous person to take the Rabbinical say that what the rabbi's say

Rabbinical say that what the rabbi's say

Rabbinical say that what the rabbi's say and take it to his interpretation and

and take it to his interpretation and

and take it to his interpretation and yeah

yeah

yeah do something Maurice told us already

do something Maurice told us already

do something Maurice told us already when when we go into power then we will

when when we go into power then we will

when when we go into power then we will kill you like we killed your Jesus yeah

kill you like we killed your Jesus yeah

kill you like we killed your Jesus yeah that's something that they were shouting

that's something that they were shouting

that's something that they were shouting here with loudspeakers in there in one

here with loudspeakers in there in one

here with loudspeakers in there in one of their demonstrations which which is a

of their demonstrations which which is a

of their demonstrations which which is a crazy thing to say given that the basis

crazy thing to say given that the basis

crazy thing to say given that the basis of anti-semitism has been that untruth

of anti-semitism has been that untruth

of anti-semitism has been that untruth that the Jews are responsible for the

that the Jews are responsible for the

that the Jews are responsible for the death of Jesus that they're actually

death of Jesus that they're actually

death of Jesus that they're actually appropriating and taking on that untruth

appropriating and taking on that untruth

appropriating and taking on that untruth you and using it to persecute you yeah

you and using it to persecute you yeah

you and using it to persecute you yeah that's crazy

that's crazy

that's crazy yeah well absolutely crazy it is

yeah well absolutely crazy it is

yeah well absolutely crazy it is absolutely crazy I mean this could be

absolutely crazy I mean this could be

absolutely crazy I mean this could be almost 2,000 years ago where the early

almost 2,000 years ago where the early

almost 2,000 years ago where the early Christians are being thrown out of the

Christians are being thrown out of the

Christians are being thrown out of the synagogue have been harassed by people

synagogue have been harassed by people

synagogue have been harassed by people because they're proclaiming that Jesus

because they're proclaiming that Jesus

because they're proclaiming that Jesus is the Messiah so it's it's anything

is the Messiah so it's it's anything

is the Messiah so it's it's anything it's history repeating yourself here but

it's history repeating yourself here but

it's history repeating yourself here but instead it's a it's here on camera yeah

instead it's a it's here on camera yeah

instead it's a it's here on camera yeah yes and it's Israel 2007 a democratic

yes and it's Israel 2007 a democratic

yes and it's Israel 2007 a democratic state

state

state [Music]

in the next part we investigate the

in the next part we investigate the

in the next part we investigate the extra-ordinary claim that Jesus might

extra-ordinary claim that Jesus might

extra-ordinary claim that Jesus might have actually traveled to India and is

have actually traveled to India and is

have actually traveled to India and is even said to be buried there and how a

even said to be buried there and how a

even said to be buried there and how a fifth but the world's population

fifth but the world's population

fifth but the world's population believed Jesus was not a Jew or a

believed Jesus was not a Jew or a

believed Jesus was not a Jew or a Christian but a Muslim 5,000 feet up in

Christian but a Muslim 5,000 feet up in

Christian but a Muslim 5,000 feet up in the foothills of the Himalayas in the

the foothills of the Himalayas in the

the foothills of the Himalayas in the hotly disputed territory of Kashmir lies

hotly disputed territory of Kashmir lies

hotly disputed territory of Kashmir lies the ancient city of Srinagar Srinagar is

the ancient city of Srinagar Srinagar is

the ancient city of Srinagar Srinagar is a predominantly Muslim city

the Bible is not the only holy book with

the Bible is not the only holy book with

the Bible is not the only holy book with the story of Jesus the Quran mentions

the story of Jesus the Quran mentions

the story of Jesus the Quran mentions him to 36 times

him to 36 times

him to 36 times it gives him many special titles

it gives him many special titles

it gives him many special titles including Messiah but in Islam Jesus is

including Messiah but in Islam Jesus is

including Messiah but in Islam Jesus is regarded as one of God's prophets a

regarded as one of God's prophets a

regarded as one of God's prophets a precursor to Muhammad the Quran also

precursor to Muhammad the Quran also

precursor to Muhammad the Quran also describes his miraculous birth how he

describes his miraculous birth how he

describes his miraculous birth how he performed many miracles and that he was

performed many miracles and that he was

performed many miracles and that he was sent to guide the children of Israel all

sent to guide the children of Israel all

sent to guide the children of Israel all familiar stuff for Christians but where

familiar stuff for Christians but where

familiar stuff for Christians but where it diverges completely from the

it diverges completely from the

it diverges completely from the traditional biblical narrative is its

traditional biblical narrative is its

traditional biblical narrative is its understanding of what happened to Jesus

understanding of what happened to Jesus

understanding of what happened to Jesus at the end of his life who need ashes in

at the end of his life who need ashes in

at the end of his life who need ashes in my day vacation Shubham - Vulcan embody

my day vacation Shubham - Vulcan embody

my day vacation Shubham - Vulcan embody engineer of Astrakhan

engineer of Astrakhan

engineer of Astrakhan Obama needed a bra so provide your

Obama needed a bra so provide your

Obama needed a bra so provide your mousou mamita

mousou mamita

mousou mamita Srinagar is the starting point for the

Srinagar is the starting point for the

Srinagar is the starting point for the next part of my investigation to

next part of my investigation to

next part of my investigation to understand who Muslims believe the real

understand who Muslims believe the real

understand who Muslims believe the real Jesus was it is also the setting for one

Jesus was it is also the setting for one

Jesus was it is also the setting for one of the most stories concerning Jesus I

of the most stories concerning Jesus I

of the most stories concerning Jesus I have ever come across all Christians

have ever come across all Christians

have ever come across all Christians like me a talk from a very early age

like me a talk from a very early age

like me a talk from a very early age that Jesus spent his entire life in the

that Jesus spent his entire life in the

that Jesus spent his entire life in the Middle East that he was crucified and

Middle East that he was crucified and

Middle East that he was crucified and died in Jerusalem but here in Kashmir

died in Jerusalem but here in Kashmir

died in Jerusalem but here in Kashmir there's a totally different story one

there's a totally different story one

there's a totally different story one that claims that Jesus did not die on

that claims that Jesus did not die on

that claims that Jesus did not die on the cross but escaped to India where he

the cross but escaped to India where he

the cross but escaped to India where he continued his teaching got married had a

continued his teaching got married had a

continued his teaching got married had a son and lived to a ripe old age and even

son and lived to a ripe old age and even

son and lived to a ripe old age and even that he was buried here I have come to

that he was buried here I have come to

that he was buried here I have come to meet a man who has spent the last 40

meet a man who has spent the last 40

meet a man who has spent the last 40 years investigating this ancient

years investigating this ancient

years investigating this ancient tradition when you study the Gospels and

tradition when you study the Gospels and

tradition when you study the Gospels and you come to the information where it is

you come to the information where it is

you come to the information where it is said that Jesus was lost to his parents

said that Jesus was lost to his parents

said that Jesus was lost to his parents at the age of 12 and he came back at the

at the age of 12 and he came back at the

at the age of 12 and he came back at the age of 28 or 30 to Jerusalem and then he

age of 28 or 30 to Jerusalem and then he

age of 28 or 30 to Jerusalem and then he his ministry was for two years and after

his ministry was for two years and after

his ministry was for two years and after that he was crucifixion so there is the

that he was crucifixion so there is the

that he was crucifixion so there is the first thing is that there is a gap of so

first thing is that there is a gap of so

first thing is that there is a gap of so many years in the life of Jesus the

many years in the life of Jesus the

many years in the life of Jesus the second point is that when he was

second point is that when he was

second point is that when he was crucified his legs were not broken and

crucified his legs were not broken and

crucified his legs were not broken and he was brought down from the cross and

he was brought down from the cross and

he was brought down from the cross and put a specially made sacrifice and then

put a specially made sacrifice and then

put a specially made sacrifice and then next day they say he is no more there

next day they say he is no more there

next day they say he is no more there he's lost to them so there are two

he's lost to them so there are two

he's lost to them so there are two incidences he's lost as a young man and

incidences he's lost as a young man and

incidences he's lost as a young man and he's lost to the people after

he's lost to the people after

he's lost to the people after crucifixion so I began thinking on it

crucifixion so I began thinking on it

crucifixion so I began thinking on it that he is lost twice and we have to

that he is lost twice and we have to

that he is lost twice and we have to find him professor Feder his name is a

find him professor Feder his name is a

find him professor Feder his name is a Sufi part of a mystic tradition within

Sufi part of a mystic tradition within

Sufi part of a mystic tradition within Islam that has a particular reference

Islam that has a particular reference

Islam that has a particular reference for Jesus over the last 40 years he has

for Jesus over the last 40 years he has

for Jesus over the last 40 years he has collected copies of many ancient Indian

collected copies of many ancient Indian

collected copies of many ancient Indian and Tibetan documents that he claims

and Tibetan documents that he claims

and Tibetan documents that he claims prove Jesus came to India this is the

prove Jesus came to India this is the

prove Jesus came to India this is the dividend document which is translated

dividend document which is translated

dividend document which is translated from the Chinese he tells about Jesus

from the Chinese he tells about Jesus

from the Chinese he tells about Jesus spreading his message among the lost

spreading his message among the lost

spreading his message among the lost sheep his name is the glass mirror

sheep his name is the glass mirror

sheep his name is the glass mirror he says you sue the teacher and founder

he says you sue the teacher and founder

he says you sue the teacher and founder of the religion who was born

of the religion who was born

of the religion who was born miraculously proclaimed himself as the

miraculously proclaimed himself as the

miraculously proclaimed himself as the saving of the world now here is a

saving of the world now here is a

saving of the world now here is a document we wish a map around this is

document we wish a map around this is

document we wish a map around this is the most important document it says that

the most important document it says that

the most important document it says that Jesus comes to Kashmir

Jesus comes to Kashmir

Jesus comes to Kashmir he means the king shalivahana about 78

he means the king shalivahana about 78

he means the king shalivahana about 78 ad and he tells him that his name is

ad and he tells him that his name is

ad and he tells him that his name is Easter petrm and Konya carmem born of a

Easter petrm and Konya carmem born of a

Easter petrm and Konya carmem born of a who are Jin and son of God and when was

who are Jin and son of God and when was

who are Jin and son of God and when was this document discovered he said an

this document discovered he said an

this document discovered he said an ancient manuscript and this date is one

ancient manuscript and this date is one

ancient manuscript and this date is one month seven one one seven so this is

month seven one one seven so this is

month seven one one seven so this is literally a a second century document

literally a a second century document

literally a a second century document which says that Jesus was in Kashmir

which says that Jesus was in Kashmir

which says that Jesus was in Kashmir that's very early this is early he means

that's very early this is early he means

that's very early this is early he means the king of Kashmir this most important

the king of Kashmir this most important

the king of Kashmir this most important document can you tell me what Jesus did

document can you tell me what Jesus did

document can you tell me what Jesus did when he was here what happened you see

when he was here what happened you see

when he was here what happened you see the the first information what we get

the the first information what we get

the the first information what we get that he meets the king and he explains

that he meets the king and he explains

that he meets the king and he explains to him how he fled away from the land of

to him how he fled away from the land of

to him how he fled away from the land of malicious do and how he suffered there

malicious do and how he suffered there

malicious do and how he suffered there and I came to this place

and I came to this place

and I came to this place and he stays here when he stays here

and he stays here when he stays here

and he stays here when he stays here here person sources and Arabic sources

here person sources and Arabic sources

here person sources and Arabic sources say that here he changed his name from

say that here he changed his name from

say that here he changed his name from Jesus to yuzu in Kashmir he touted his

Jesus to yuzu in Kashmir he touted his

Jesus to yuzu in Kashmir he touted his name yuzu and he continued here till his

name yuzu and he continued here till his

name yuzu and he continued here till his death and he was buried here did he did

death and he was buried here did he did

death and he was buried here did he did he get married when he was here did he

he get married when he was here did he

he get married when he was here did he have children yes yes you see did

have children yes yes you see did

have children yes yes you see did according to our tune the two sources

according to our tune the two sources

according to our tune the two sources which I got that you use who married

which I got that you use who married

which I got that you use who married margin and he had a child named Jew

margin and he had a child named Jew

margin and he had a child named Jew Hakim so when Christians and i as a

Hakim so when Christians and i as a

Hakim so when Christians and i as a Christian have been taught to believe

Christian have been taught to believe

Christian have been taught to believe that Jesus is crucified he dies on the

that Jesus is crucified he dies on the

that Jesus is crucified he dies on the cross and then his resurrected so what

cross and then his resurrected so what

cross and then his resurrected so what would you say to Christians who say this

would you say to Christians who say this

would you say to Christians who say this is the tradition of Jesus you say I tell

is the tradition of Jesus you say I tell

is the tradition of Jesus you say I tell them that Paul being a Roman he invented

them that Paul being a Roman he invented

them that Paul being a Roman he invented some some dogma and people the Roman

some some dogma and people the Roman

some some dogma and people the Roman emperors they propagated Dada da Gama

emperors they propagated Dada da Gama

emperors they propagated Dada da Gama and our dogma influence to Europe and

and our dogma influence to Europe and

and our dogma influence to Europe and they think that that dogma is correct

they think that that dogma is correct

they think that that dogma is correct one of professor has mains documents

one of professor has mains documents

one of professor has mains documents even claims that Jesus is buried in

even claims that Jesus is buried in

even claims that Jesus is buried in Kashmir so tell me about this one

Kashmir so tell me about this one

Kashmir so tell me about this one hysteria Kabir by Maha Dean he tells

hysteria Kabir by Maha Dean he tells

hysteria Kabir by Maha Dean he tells about the story of prophets and saints

about the story of prophets and saints

about the story of prophets and saints it says that one Hebrew prophet is

it says that one Hebrew prophet is

it says that one Hebrew prophet is buried there and he was a prince who

buried there and he was a prince who

buried there and he was a prince who came to Kashmir thousands of years back

came to Kashmir thousands of years back

came to Kashmir thousands of years back and he was so pious and he became a

and he was so pious and he became a

and he was so pious and he became a prophet now there is the decree of this

prophet now there is the decree of this

prophet now there is the decree of this shrine what we have shrine here now the

shrine what we have shrine here now the

shrine what we have shrine here now the Chief Justice of Kashmir he gives a

Chief Justice of Kashmir he gives a

Chief Justice of Kashmir he gives a decree he says that this is a shrine

decree he says that this is a shrine

decree he says that this is a shrine called users of Pergamon lslam so this

called users of Pergamon lslam so this

called users of Pergamon lslam so this suggests that the tomb is the tomb of

suggests that the tomb is the tomb of

suggests that the tomb is the tomb of Jesus this is what Jesus is buried yes

Jesus this is what Jesus is buried yes

Jesus this is what Jesus is buried yes this legal documents

this legal documents

this legal documents he's the Prophet you users of his name

according to Professor his name Jesus is

according to Professor his name Jesus is

according to Professor his name Jesus is actually buried in a small shrine in the

actually buried in a small shrine in the

actually buried in a small shrine in the centre of Srinagar it is located in a

centre of Srinagar it is located in a

centre of Srinagar it is located in a very religiously sensitive part of the

very religiously sensitive part of the

very religiously sensitive part of the city professor whose name is no longer

city professor whose name is no longer

city professor whose name is no longer able to visit the tomb because his

able to visit the tomb because his

able to visit the tomb because his beliefs about Jesus contradict

beliefs about Jesus contradict

beliefs about Jesus contradict mainstream islamic teaching and he has

mainstream islamic teaching and he has

mainstream islamic teaching and he has received several death threats could you

received several death threats could you

received several death threats could you tell me who it is who's buried here

tell me who it is who's buried here

tell me who it is who's buried here because I've been told that it may be

because I've been told that it may be

because I've been told that it may be Jesus this is one of the many Muslim

Jesus this is one of the many Muslim

Jesus this is one of the many Muslim prophets but Jesus is not buried here

prophets but Jesus is not buried here

prophets but Jesus is not buried here because it is written in our holy book

because it is written in our holy book

because it is written in our holy book the Muslim Quran that Jesus has been

the Muslim Quran that Jesus has been

the Muslim Quran that Jesus has been taken up to heaven to Allah they do

taken up to heaven to Allah they do

taken up to heaven to Allah they do leave your home where they develop

leave your home where they develop

leave your home where they develop language because you loved it so those

language because you loved it so those

language because you loved it so those people who say it as Jesus are giving

people who say it as Jesus are giving

people who say it as Jesus are giving incorrect information by saying that

incorrect information by saying that

incorrect information by saying that he's here

he's here

he's here no Muslim in the entire world would say

no Muslim in the entire world would say

no Muslim in the entire world would say that Jesus is buried here many Western

that Jesus is buried here many Western

that Jesus is buried here many Western scholars also dispute professor whose

scholars also dispute professor whose

scholars also dispute professor whose names claim that this is the tomb of

names claim that this is the tomb of

names claim that this is the tomb of Jesus and in particular the dating of

Jesus and in particular the dating of

Jesus and in particular the dating of his documents why was it do you think

his documents why was it do you think

his documents why was it do you think that Jesus came here to Kashmir

that Jesus came here to Kashmir

that Jesus came here to Kashmir why Kashmir my point is general

why Kashmir my point is general

why Kashmir my point is general impression in the West is that Jesus

impression in the West is that Jesus

impression in the West is that Jesus belongs to the West they think he was a

belongs to the West they think he was a

belongs to the West they think he was a westerner maybe white man but the but

westerner maybe white man but the but

westerner maybe white man but the but the fact is that Jesus belong to the

the fact is that Jesus belong to the

the fact is that Jesus belong to the east

east

east he was not born in the West he was born

he was not born in the West he was born

he was not born in the West he was born in the East he belongs to us we have

in the East he belongs to us we have

in the East he belongs to us we have information about him in person he

information about him in person he

information about him in person he in Kashmiri in Chinese in Sanskrit in

in Kashmiri in Chinese in Sanskrit in

in Kashmiri in Chinese in Sanskrit in Arabic language in Tibetan also in many

Arabic language in Tibetan also in many

Arabic language in Tibetan also in many languages we have lot of information

languages we have lot of information

languages we have lot of information about him in our books odd man script on

about him in our books odd man script on

about him in our books odd man script on something so naturally we have to serve

something so naturally we have to serve

something so naturally we have to serve Jesus in the East here in Kashmir we

Jesus in the East here in Kashmir we

Jesus in the East here in Kashmir we have uncovered an incredible story about

have uncovered an incredible story about

have uncovered an incredible story about the life of Jesus one that not only

the life of Jesus one that not only

the life of Jesus one that not only fills in the missing years but also

fills in the missing years but also

fills in the missing years but also roots him not just in the Middle East

roots him not just in the Middle East

roots him not just in the Middle East but also here in India it's a story

but also here in India it's a story

but also here in India it's a story which at first glance sounds

which at first glance sounds

which at first glance sounds unbelievable Jesus in Kashmir but it's

unbelievable Jesus in Kashmir but it's

unbelievable Jesus in Kashmir but it's told in so much detail and have so many

told in so much detail and have so many

told in so much detail and have so many documents to support it so I'm going

documents to support it so I'm going

documents to support it so I'm going back to the second century that can't be

back to the second century that can't be

back to the second century that can't be dismissed out of hand

dismissed out of hand

dismissed out of hand but above all it tells us something that

but above all it tells us something that

but above all it tells us something that we in Western Christianity often forget

we in Western Christianity often forget

we in Western Christianity often forget that the real Jesus is a man of the east

that the real Jesus is a man of the east

that the real Jesus is a man of the east and that he belongs as much to Asia as

and that he belongs as much to Asia as

and that he belongs as much to Asia as he does to Europe professor hostnames

he does to Europe professor hostnames

he does to Europe professor hostnames views about Jesus dying and being buried

views about Jesus dying and being buried

views about Jesus dying and being buried in Kashmir contradict mainstream islamic

in Kashmir contradict mainstream islamic

in Kashmir contradict mainstream islamic thought so i wanted to find out what the

thought so i wanted to find out what the

thought so i wanted to find out what the Quran says about Jesus's death the

Quran says about Jesus's death the

Quran says about Jesus's death the Egyptian capital Cairo is home to the

Egyptian capital Cairo is home to the

Egyptian capital Cairo is home to the world's oldest Islamic theological

world's oldest Islamic theological

world's oldest Islamic theological University al-azhar it's rector is dr.

University al-azhar it's rector is dr.

University al-azhar it's rector is dr. Ahmed el-tayeb in the Christian Bible

Ahmed el-tayeb in the Christian Bible

Ahmed el-tayeb in the Christian Bible the New Testament were told that Jesus

the New Testament were told that Jesus

the New Testament were told that Jesus was crucified died and was resurrected

was crucified died and was resurrected

was crucified died and was resurrected from the dead what does the Quran tell

from the dead what does the Quran tell

from the dead what does the Quran tell us happened to Jesus at the end of his

us happened to Jesus at the end of his

us happened to Jesus at the end of his life nan-oh Akkad will you believe

life nan-oh Akkad will you believe

life nan-oh Akkad will you believe according to the Quran that Jesus was

according to the Quran that Jesus was

according to the Quran that Jesus was not crucified rather that another man

not crucified rather that another man

not crucified rather that another man was made to look like him God made a man

was made to look like him God made a man

was made to look like him God made a man resembling so that the Jews thought he

resembling so that the Jews thought he

resembling so that the Jews thought he was Jesus and he was crucified in

was Jesus and he was crucified in

was Jesus and he was crucified in jesus's place Jesus was raised by God to

jesus's place Jesus was raised by God to

jesus's place Jesus was raised by God to heaven at that time he was not crucified

heaven at that time he was not crucified

heaven at that time he was not crucified but someone who looked like him was

but someone who looked like him was

but someone who looked like him was crucified

crucified

crucified Eila Sheva Himmler for Muslims

Eila Sheva Himmler for Muslims

Eila Sheva Himmler for Muslims Jesus has a very special future role

Jesus has a very special future role

Jesus has a very special future role according to the hadith Islamic

according to the hadith Islamic

according to the hadith Islamic prophetic traditions Jesus will return

prophetic traditions Jesus will return

prophetic traditions Jesus will return to earth before the day of judgment he

to earth before the day of judgment he

to earth before the day of judgment he will descend at the white minaret in the

will descend at the white minaret in the

will descend at the white minaret in the eastern side of Damascus wearing

eastern side of Damascus wearing

eastern side of Damascus wearing garments dyed with saffron and placing

garments dyed with saffron and placing

garments dyed with saffron and placing his hands on the wings of two angels

his hands on the wings of two angels

his hands on the wings of two angels every non-believer who smells him will

every non-believer who smells him will

every non-believer who smells him will die he will then search for the

die he will then search for the

die he will then search for the Antichrist and will catch up with him at

Antichrist and will catch up with him at

Antichrist and will catch up with him at the gate of Lud and will kill him one

the gate of Lud and will kill him one

the gate of Lud and will kill him one possible location for the gate of blood

possible location for the gate of blood

possible location for the gate of blood is that the village of the same name in

is that the village of the same name in

is that the village of the same name in modern Israel today there was a small

modern Israel today there was a small

modern Israel today there was a small mosque on the site so Jesus in Islam is

mosque on the site so Jesus in Islam is

mosque on the site so Jesus in Islam is very important because he kills the

very important because he kills the

very important because he kills the Antichrist here in Ludd yes this is

Antichrist here in Ludd yes this is

Antichrist here in Ludd yes this is absolutely true Jesus who is the son of

absolutely true Jesus who is the son of

absolutely true Jesus who is the son of Mary may he be blessed by God is one of

Mary may he be blessed by God is one of

Mary may he be blessed by God is one of the prophets that we believe in and that

the prophets that we believe in and that

the prophets that we believe in and that is our conviction similar to Christian

is our conviction similar to Christian

is our conviction similar to Christian prophecies about the end times Islam

prophecies about the end times Islam

prophecies about the end times Islam also talks about a day of judgment for

also talks about a day of judgment for

also talks about a day of judgment for which there will be many signs one of

which there will be many signs one of

which there will be many signs one of which will be the return of Jesus

when is the day of judgement will it

when is the day of judgement will it

when is the day of judgement will it come soon nobody knows nobody knows no

come soon nobody knows nobody knows no

come soon nobody knows nobody knows no one knows except for God the Islamic

one knows except for God the Islamic

one knows except for God the Islamic prophecies also predict a series of

prophecies also predict a series of

prophecies also predict a series of cataclysmic events including a Great War

cataclysmic events including a Great War

cataclysmic events including a Great War on one occasion the Prophet Mohammed is

on one occasion the Prophet Mohammed is

on one occasion the Prophet Mohammed is reported to have said the hour will come

reported to have said the hour will come

reported to have said the hour will come when violence bloodshed and Anarchy

when violence bloodshed and Anarchy

when violence bloodshed and Anarchy become common great cities will be

become common great cities will be

become common great cities will be ruined and it will be as if they had not

ruined and it will be as if they had not

ruined and it will be as if they had not existed the day before there will be

existed the day before there will be

existed the day before there will be years of deceit when a truthful person

years of deceit when a truthful person

years of deceit when a truthful person will be disbelieved and a liar will be

will be disbelieved and a liar will be

will be disbelieved and a liar will be believed I think that we should find

believed I think that we should find

believed I think that we should find ways in which Jesus helps us to live

ways in which Jesus helps us to live

ways in which Jesus helps us to live together

together

together better do you think that we can agree on

better do you think that we can agree on

better do you think that we can agree on the teachings of Jesus that Jesus wants

the teachings of Jesus that Jesus wants

the teachings of Jesus that Jesus wants peace justice and wants all people to

peace justice and wants all people to

peace justice and wants all people to have a good life now muslimeen none so

have a good life now muslimeen none so

have a good life now muslimeen none so how come no sir we muslims advise

how come no sir we muslims advise

how come no sir we muslims advise christians or rather the people of the

christians or rather the people of the

christians or rather the people of the west to pay attention to the teachings

west to pay attention to the teachings

west to pay attention to the teachings of christ in a fire

of christ in a fire

of christ in a fire now you otherwise peace will not exist

now you otherwise peace will not exist

now you otherwise peace will not exist among those peoples boehner javi

among those peoples boehner javi

among those peoples boehner javi Alessio and Hodari Amina kia an island

Alessio and Hodari Amina kia an island

Alessio and Hodari Amina kia an island where Hodari telfa at the Turf our

where Hodari telfa at the Turf our

where Hodari telfa at the Turf our deficit today American culture has taken

deficit today American culture has taken

deficit today American culture has taken up the slogan of evangelical

up the slogan of evangelical

up the slogan of evangelical Christianity it's a culture of

Christianity it's a culture of

Christianity it's a culture of annihilation invasion and domination I

annihilation invasion and domination I

annihilation invasion and domination I don't need to remind you about what is

don't need to remind you about what is

don't need to remind you about what is happening in Iraq and Afghanistan

happening in Iraq and Afghanistan

happening in Iraq and Afghanistan this is domination over those people

this is domination over those people

this is domination over those people Xavier Shope what are you philosophy are

Xavier Shope what are you philosophy are

Xavier Shope what are you philosophy are spreading injustice killing people

spreading injustice killing people

spreading injustice killing people making women and children all is done

making women and children all is done

making women and children all is done under the name of religion do you think

under the name of religion do you think

under the name of religion do you think Jesus will come back soon we hope some

Jesus will come back soon we hope some

Jesus will come back soon we hope some we hope some non at alman yeah did Faraj

we hope some non at alman yeah did Faraj

we hope some non at alman yeah did Faraj oh we hope so we hope so

oh we hope so we hope so

oh we hope so we hope so we really hope so we want Jesus to save

we really hope so we want Jesus to save

we really hope so we want Jesus to save humanity from injustice after killing

humanity from injustice after killing

humanity from injustice after killing the Antichrist in the run-up to the Day

the Antichrist in the run-up to the Day

the Antichrist in the run-up to the Day of Judgment

of Judgment

of Judgment Muslims believe Jesus will then live for

Muslims believe Jesus will then live for

Muslims believe Jesus will then live for another 40 years have a wife and

another 40 years have a wife and

another 40 years have a wife and children and die a natural death there

children and die a natural death there

children and die a natural death there is even a tomb awaiting him in Medina

is even a tomb awaiting him in Medina

is even a tomb awaiting him in Medina next to the grave of the Prophet

next to the grave of the Prophet

next to the grave of the Prophet Muhammad himself so in Judaism they have

Muhammad himself so in Judaism they have

Muhammad himself so in Judaism they have no place for Jesus the Christians say

no place for Jesus the Christians say

no place for Jesus the Christians say Jesus is the Messiah you're saying Jesus

Jesus is the Messiah you're saying Jesus

Jesus is the Messiah you're saying Jesus is a Muslim which one is correct

he's seven what Emily his surname can

he's seven what Emily his surname can

he's seven what Emily his surname can mean bringing us a lot jesus the son of

mean bringing us a lot jesus the son of

mean bringing us a lot jesus the son of mary god bless him was from Israel but

mary god bless him was from Israel but

mary god bless him was from Israel but the Jews claimed he was a liar

the Jews claimed he was a liar

the Jews claimed he was a liar Jews also gave him several

Jews also gave him several

Jews also gave him several characteristics that are shameful and

characteristics that are shameful and

characteristics that are shameful and are inappropriate for a prophet for

are inappropriate for a prophet for

are inappropriate for a prophet for example they said he was the son of a

example they said he was the son of a

example they said he was the son of a woman who committed adultery you

woman who committed adultery you

woman who committed adultery you Christians believe in him and we believe

Christians believe in him and we believe

Christians believe in him and we believe in him too however Christians see him as

in him too however Christians see him as

in him too however Christians see him as divine but this we think is wrong we

divine but this we think is wrong we

divine but this we think is wrong we believe that Jesus is a Muslim prophet

believe that Jesus is a Muslim prophet

believe that Jesus is a Muslim prophet and that he will come back at the end of

and that he will come back at the end of

and that he will come back at the end of time to support Islam and to become its

time to support Islam and to become its

time to support Islam and to become its advocate and preach the word of truth in

advocate and preach the word of truth in

advocate and preach the word of truth in all sorts them

all sorts them

all sorts them muslimeen well at elemental hub whether

muslimeen well at elemental hub whether

muslimeen well at elemental hub whether or not I or any Christian likes it the

or not I or any Christian likes it the

or not I or any Christian likes it the fact is that although Jesus began life

fact is that although Jesus began life

fact is that although Jesus began life as a Jew and started a new movement that

as a Jew and started a new movement that

as a Jew and started a new movement that later became Christianity he is also

later became Christianity he is also

later became Christianity he is also seen by more than a fifth of the world's

seen by more than a fifth of the world's

seen by more than a fifth of the world's population as a Muslim - in the next

population as a Muslim - in the next

population as a Muslim - in the next part I investigate how like me a famous

part I investigate how like me a famous

part I investigate how like me a famous Indian leader also searched for the real

Indian leader also searched for the real

Indian leader also searched for the real Jesus and how he transformed Jesus's

Jesus and how he transformed Jesus's

Jesus and how he transformed Jesus's teachings into one of the most effective

teachings into one of the most effective

teachings into one of the most effective political weapons of the 20th century

political weapons of the 20th century

political weapons of the 20th century did Gandhi discovered the real hidden

did Gandhi discovered the real hidden

did Gandhi discovered the real hidden message of Jesus

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Bethlehem in modern-day Palestine is the

Bethlehem in modern-day Palestine is the

Bethlehem in modern-day Palestine is the traditional setting for the Nativity

traditional setting for the Nativity

traditional setting for the Nativity story the one Christian celebrates a

story the one Christian celebrates a

story the one Christian celebrates a Christmas every year thousands of

Christmas every year thousands of

Christmas every year thousands of pilgrims come here to visit the church

pilgrims come here to visit the church

pilgrims come here to visit the church and to see the Crypt where they believe

and to see the Crypt where they believe

and to see the Crypt where they believe the story began for many of these people

the story began for many of these people

the story began for many of these people it is a profoundly moving moment to

it is a profoundly moving moment to

it is a profoundly moving moment to kneel and touch the place where Jesus is

kneel and touch the place where Jesus is

kneel and touch the place where Jesus is supposed to have been born 2,000 years

supposed to have been born 2,000 years

supposed to have been born 2,000 years ago but who is the real Jesus what I

ago but who is the real Jesus what I

ago but who is the real Jesus what I have discovered on my journey is that

have discovered on my journey is that

have discovered on my journey is that there have been many Savior gods in

there have been many Savior gods in

there have been many Savior gods in religions all over the world very

religions all over the world very

religions all over the world very similar to Jesus and many of them

similar to Jesus and many of them

similar to Jesus and many of them predating Christianity by thousands of

predating Christianity by thousands of

predating Christianity by thousands of years and I have also learned how

years and I have also learned how

years and I have also learned how Christianity shares many of its core

Christianity shares many of its core

Christianity shares many of its core stories and ideas with the Roman mystery

stories and ideas with the Roman mystery

stories and ideas with the Roman mystery cult of Mithras whose birthday is also

cult of Mithras whose birthday is also

cult of Mithras whose birthday is also the 25th of December and the ancient

the 25th of December and the ancient

the 25th of December and the ancient Egyptian god Osiris who died and was

Egyptian god Osiris who died and was

Egyptian god Osiris who died and was resurrected to save the world and the

resurrected to save the world and the

resurrected to save the world and the 3,000 year old Hindu god Krishna whose

3,000 year old Hindu god Krishna whose

3,000 year old Hindu god Krishna whose birth story is so similar

birth story is so similar

birth story is so similar and the Buddha who's teaching so closely

and the Buddha who's teaching so closely

and the Buddha who's teaching so closely mirror those of Jesus and then I have

mirror those of Jesus and then I have

mirror those of Jesus and then I have discovered how to other religions Islam

discovered how to other religions Islam

discovered how to other religions Islam and Judaism who share their origins with

and Judaism who share their origins with

and Judaism who share their origins with Christianity have very different

Christianity have very different

Christianity have very different versions of Jesus's life story the

versions of Jesus's life story the

versions of Jesus's life story the Orthodox Jews who seem as an

Orthodox Jews who seem as an

Orthodox Jews who seem as an illegitimate child a fraudulent magician

illegitimate child a fraudulent magician

illegitimate child a fraudulent magician and a dangerous heretic and the Muslims

and a dangerous heretic and the Muslims

and a dangerous heretic and the Muslims for whom Jesus is not the Son of God but

for whom Jesus is not the Son of God but

for whom Jesus is not the Son of God but a human prophet who will return to earth

a human prophet who will return to earth

a human prophet who will return to earth before Judgment Day to save the world

all of these religions challenge the

all of these religions challenge the

all of these religions challenge the uniqueness of Jesus's story the one that

uniqueness of Jesus's story the one that

uniqueness of Jesus's story the one that I and all Christians have been brought

I and all Christians have been brought

I and all Christians have been brought up with but I still felt that Jesus and

up with but I still felt that Jesus and

up with but I still felt that Jesus and his real message remained hidden while I

his real message remained hidden while I

his real message remained hidden while I was in India I discovered that there was

was in India I discovered that there was

was in India I discovered that there was another person who had been on a very

another person who had been on a very

another person who had been on a very similar journey to me searching for the

similar journey to me searching for the

similar journey to me searching for the real Jesus he was one of the 20th

real Jesus he was one of the 20th

real Jesus he was one of the 20th century's most famous political leaders

century's most famous political leaders

century's most famous political leaders a man who confronted and defeated the

a man who confronted and defeated the

a man who confronted and defeated the British Empire Mahatma Gandhi

although Gandhi was born a Hindu he

although Gandhi was born a Hindu he

although Gandhi was born a Hindu he claimed he got great inspiration from

claimed he got great inspiration from

claimed he got great inspiration from Jesus's teachings professor Tripp sir

Jesus's teachings professor Tripp sir

Jesus's teachings professor Tripp sir hood is an expert on Gandhi's interest

hood is an expert on Gandhi's interest

hood is an expert on Gandhi's interest in Jesus I met him at the Sabarmati

in Jesus I met him at the Sabarmati

in Jesus I met him at the Sabarmati ashram in a medibot Gandhi's former home

ashram in a medibot Gandhi's former home

ashram in a medibot Gandhi's former home he's not interested in the historic

he's not interested in the historic

he's not interested in the historic Jesus he is not really interested with

Jesus he is not really interested with

Jesus he is not really interested with her that whether there was an immaculate

her that whether there was an immaculate

her that whether there was an immaculate conception or not whether the star was

conception or not whether the star was

conception or not whether the star was there over the device men went there but

there over the device men went there but

there over the device men went there but it is the idea of figure of Jesus on

it is the idea of figure of Jesus on

it is the idea of figure of Jesus on cross and it's that passion of Christ

cross and it's that passion of Christ

cross and it's that passion of Christ which moves him deeply that's really

which moves him deeply that's really

which moves him deeply that's really quite profound because it's almost if

quite profound because it's almost if

quite profound because it's almost if Gandhi is saying look move the dogma

Gandhi is saying look move the dogma

Gandhi is saying look move the dogma side

side

side move aside all the doctrines and get to

move aside all the doctrines and get to

move aside all the doctrines and get to the essence of the teachings he says I

the essence of the teachings he says I

the essence of the teachings he says I regard him as perhaps the greatest

regard him as perhaps the greatest

regard him as perhaps the greatest teacher that mankind has seen for Gandhi

teacher that mankind has seen for Gandhi

teacher that mankind has seen for Gandhi the real Jesus was not the one developed

the real Jesus was not the one developed

the real Jesus was not the one developed in the church over the last 2,000 years

in the church over the last 2,000 years

in the church over the last 2,000 years the Son of God born of a virgin who was

the Son of God born of a virgin who was

the Son of God born of a virgin who was the only path to salvation

the only path to salvation

the only path to salvation Gandhi's Jesus was the original

Gandhi's Jesus was the original

Gandhi's Jesus was the original charismatic teacher the man of action

charismatic teacher the man of action

charismatic teacher the man of action who wanted to change the world

who wanted to change the world

who wanted to change the world and Gandhi found the core of Jesus's

and Gandhi found the core of Jesus's

and Gandhi found the core of Jesus's teachings in the Sermon on the Mount

teachings in the Sermon on the Mount

teachings in the Sermon on the Mount what is the lesson from the sermon that

what is the lesson from the sermon that

what is the lesson from the sermon that he requires one that that you cannot hit

he requires one that that you cannot hit

he requires one that that you cannot hit it's not it's not an active notion of

it's not it's not an active notion of

it's not it's not an active notion of love it's not an active notion of

love it's not an active notion of

love it's not an active notion of compassion it is a negative notion first

compassion it is a negative notion first

compassion it is a negative notion first that no matter what it is no matter how

that no matter what it is no matter how

that no matter what it is no matter how hard my opponent is now no matter how to

hard my opponent is now no matter how to

hard my opponent is now no matter how to ridicule my opponent is do I have the

ridicule my opponent is do I have the

ridicule my opponent is do I have the capacity not to hit true of course the

capacity not to hit true of course the

capacity not to hit true of course the idea of non-resistance at the same time

idea of non-resistance at the same time

idea of non-resistance at the same time it is not an inactive Dondre system that

it is not an inactive Dondre system that

it is not an inactive Dondre system that is an active act of non-resistance to

is an active act of non-resistance to

is an active act of non-resistance to the even Gandhi took Jesus's teachings

the even Gandhi took Jesus's teachings

the even Gandhi took Jesus's teachings and transformed them into one of the

and transformed them into one of the

and transformed them into one of the most powerful political weapons of the

most powerful political weapons of the

most powerful political weapons of the 20th century

20th century

20th century his philosophy of nonviolent resistance

his philosophy of nonviolent resistance

his philosophy of nonviolent resistance in his long struggle for Indian

in his long struggle for Indian

in his long struggle for Indian independence from the British Empire

independence from the British Empire

independence from the British Empire Gandhi's most famous act of resistance

Gandhi's most famous act of resistance

Gandhi's most famous act of resistance took place when he set out on a march in

took place when he set out on a march in

took place when he set out on a march in 1930 the right to manufacture salt was a

1930 the right to manufacture salt was a

1930 the right to manufacture salt was a British monopoly as a symbolic act of

British monopoly as a symbolic act of

British monopoly as a symbolic act of defiance

defiance

defiance Gandhi planned to break the law by

Gandhi planned to break the law by

Gandhi planned to break the law by making salt on the coast but first he

making salt on the coast but first he

making salt on the coast but first he had to march there this is really the

had to march there this is really the

had to march there this is really the first place we can be haunted yeah

first place we can be haunted yeah

first place we can be haunted yeah they'd walk 13 kilometers that day yeah

they'd walk 13 kilometers that day yeah

they'd walk 13 kilometers that day yeah by the time they reached here it was off

by the time they reached here it was off

by the time they reached here it was off and it's a huge reception that the

and it's a huge reception that the

and it's a huge reception that the village gave us I think Gandhi's salt

village gave us I think Gandhi's salt

village gave us I think Gandhi's salt march can be compared to Jesus's final

march can be compared to Jesus's final

march can be compared to Jesus's final entry into Jerusalem the culmination of

entry into Jerusalem the culmination of

entry into Jerusalem the culmination of his ministry and his life both involved

his ministry and his life both involved

his ministry and his life both involved a major confrontation but Jesus it was

a major confrontation but Jesus it was

a major confrontation but Jesus it was the Romans and the Jewish religious

the Romans and the Jewish religious

the Romans and the Jewish religious authorities for Gandhi that was the

authorities for Gandhi that was the

authorities for Gandhi that was the British Empire and for both it was a

British Empire and for both it was a

British Empire and for both it was a highly dangerous strategy I mean what

highly dangerous strategy I mean what

highly dangerous strategy I mean what you thing was going through the people's

you thing was going through the people's

you thing was going through the people's minds they were they apprehensive were

minds they were they apprehensive were

minds they were they apprehensive were they optimistic they feel they were

they optimistic they feel they were

they optimistic they feel they were going to make it Gandhi had expected

going to make it Gandhi had expected

going to make it Gandhi had expected that he would be arrested the night

that he would be arrested the night

that he would be arrested the night before and so the expectation was the

before and so the expectation was the

before and so the expectation was the British would put him in custody what

British would put him in custody what

British would put him in custody what happened was completely took him by

happened was completely took him by

happened was completely took him by surprise because when he began walking

surprise because when he began walking

surprise because when he began walking on 12th March the entire city walked

on 12th March the entire city walked

on 12th March the entire city walked with him and and they had to stop in the

with him and and they had to stop in the

with him and and they had to stop in the city and plead with the people in

city and plead with the people in

city and plead with the people in Ahmedabad to please go back 30,000

Ahmedabad to please go back 30,000

Ahmedabad to please go back 30,000 people amazing so this is the beginning

people amazing so this is the beginning

people amazing so this is the beginning of a revolution it was the same with

of a revolution it was the same with

of a revolution it was the same with Jesus as he entered Jerusalem he was

Jesus as he entered Jerusalem he was

Jesus as he entered Jerusalem he was also mocked by a huge crowd

also mocked by a huge crowd

also mocked by a huge crowd today in many of the small villages that

today in many of the small villages that

today in many of the small villages that can be marched through local people have

can be marched through local people have

can be marched through local people have built statues to commemorate their hero

built statues to commemorate their hero

built statues to commemorate their hero the people what Gandhi means to them now

the people what Gandhi means to them now

the people what Gandhi means to them now what does he mean to their lives

what does he mean to their lives

what does he mean to their lives seeing this bust here what does he mean

seeing this bust here what does he mean

seeing this bust here what does he mean to them give us independence with his

to them give us independence with his

to them give us independence with his song March Gandhi had started a

song March Gandhi had started a

song March Gandhi had started a revolution that later brought an end to

revolution that later brought an end to

revolution that later brought an end to British rule in India

British rule in India

British rule in India just as Jesus caused uproar in Roman

just as Jesus caused uproar in Roman

just as Jesus caused uproar in Roman Palestine 2,000 years ago okay so where

Palestine 2,000 years ago okay so where

Palestine 2,000 years ago okay so where we know this is a place corner welcome

we know this is a place corner welcome

we know this is a place corner welcome and there is a statue of Gandhi which

and there is a statue of Gandhi which

and there is a statue of Gandhi which tells us that he spent the second night

tells us that he spent the second night

tells us that he spent the second night yeah in Navigon and the only place which

yeah in Navigon and the only place which

yeah in Navigon and the only place which could have housed him was the village

could have housed him was the village

could have housed him was the village school yeah there's a cross there's the

school yeah there's a cross there's the

school yeah there's a cross there's the sign of the ohm and there is the

sign of the ohm and there is the

sign of the ohm and there is the Crescent which is my life is my message

Crescent which is my life is my message

Crescent which is my life is my message and this is really quite profound

and this is really quite profound

and this is really quite profound because it's like it tells us a great

because it's like it tells us a great

because it's like it tells us a great deal about Gandhi bringing together

deal about Gandhi bringing together

deal about Gandhi bringing together Christianity with Hinduism with Islam

Christianity with Hinduism with Islam

Christianity with Hinduism with Islam and saying that what really matters is

and saying that what really matters is

and saying that what really matters is how you embody it how you actually

how you embody it how you actually

how you embody it how you actually practice these ideas as we were talking

practice these ideas as we were talking

practice these ideas as we were talking an elderly man walked up it turned out

an elderly man walked up it turned out

an elderly man walked up it turned out that he was here when Gandhi arrived on

that he was here when Gandhi arrived on

that he was here when Gandhi arrived on his march in 1930 given that I'm making

his march in 1930 given that I'm making

his march in 1930 given that I'm making a program about Jesus does he feel that

a program about Jesus does he feel that

a program about Jesus does he feel that Mahatma Gandhi was was like Jesus

Mahatma Gandhi was was like Jesus

Mahatma Gandhi was was like Jesus because I see some comparisons in terms

because I see some comparisons in terms

because I see some comparisons in terms of their teachings does he feel that

of their teachings does he feel that

of their teachings does he feel that Gandhi was for him like a Messiah Savior

Gandhi was for him like a Messiah Savior

Gandhi was for him like a Messiah Savior finger that was ready he he says he was

finger that was ready he he says he was

finger that was ready he he says he was a he was God like he says you know the

a he was God like he says you know the

a he was God like he says you know the Prophet or Krishna or ROM are only

Prophet or Krishna or ROM are only

Prophet or Krishna or ROM are only stories for me yeah but here is this man

stories for me yeah but here is this man

stories for me yeah but here is this man who have seen I who have lived with and

who have seen I who have lived with and

who have seen I who have lived with and have seen him transform all of us

have seen him transform all of us

have seen him transform all of us what was the most important thing he

what was the most important thing he

what was the most important thing he learned from Gandhi what meant the most

learned from Gandhi what meant the most

learned from Gandhi what meant the most to him 70 years on I'll tell you about

to him 70 years on I'll tell you about

to him 70 years on I'll tell you about William a gerricault not a couple of

William a gerricault not a couple of

William a gerricault not a couple of them was at the dinner I cannot cook

them was at the dinner I cannot cook

them was at the dinner I cannot cook video this is one word self-reliant do

video this is one word self-reliant do

video this is one word self-reliant do your own work yourself he says I still

your own work yourself he says I still

your own work yourself he says I still wash my clothes do everything that you

wash my clothes do everything that you

wash my clothes do everything that you know all the bodily work that I need to

know all the bodily work that I need to

know all the bodily work that I need to do I do it myself and I don't rely upon

do I do it myself and I don't rely upon

do I do it myself and I don't rely upon people and said I hope to be able to do

people and said I hope to be able to do

people and said I hope to be able to do that until the very last that's a really

that until the very last that's a really

that until the very last that's a really powerful message because when many

powerful message because when many

powerful message because when many people think of the teachings of Jesus

people think of the teachings of Jesus

people think of the teachings of Jesus and I'm searching for the real Jesus I

and I'm searching for the real Jesus I

and I'm searching for the real Jesus I think about the spiritual things Jesus

think about the spiritual things Jesus

think about the spiritual things Jesus is the Son of God or the dogma the

is the Son of God or the dogma the

is the Son of God or the dogma the Trinity or ideas about spirituality

Trinity or ideas about spirituality

Trinity or ideas about spirituality which are very kind of otherworldly but

which are very kind of otherworldly but

which are very kind of otherworldly but here what we find in the teachings and

here what we find in the teachings and

here what we find in the teachings and what is today said about the way we

what is today said about the way we

what is today said about the way we remembers most about Gandhi and where it

remembers most about Gandhi and where it

remembers most about Gandhi and where it connects with the message of Jesus and

connects with the message of Jesus and

connects with the message of Jesus and then the practical yes about that to

then the practical yes about that to

then the practical yes about that to have faith it should be a person of

have faith it should be a person of

have faith it should be a person of faith is to is to live yeah live live

faith is to is to live yeah live live

faith is to is to live yeah live live that faith live that idealism and that's

that faith live that idealism and that's

that faith live that idealism and that's why you could say my life is my message

why you could say my life is my message

why you could say my life is my message thank you thank you thank you happy

thank you thank you thank you happy

thank you thank you thank you happy Diwali

Diwali

Diwali the salt March was an absolutely pivotal

the salt March was an absolutely pivotal

the salt March was an absolutely pivotal moment in Gandhi's and India's struggle

moment in Gandhi's and India's struggle

moment in Gandhi's and India's struggle against the British and some

against the British and some

against the British and some commentators have argued that it was the

commentators have argued that it was the

commentators have argued that it was the beginning of the end of the British

beginning of the end of the British

beginning of the end of the British Empire since then Gandhi's brilliant use

Empire since then Gandhi's brilliant use

Empire since then Gandhi's brilliant use of non-violence has been emulated by

of non-violence has been emulated by

of non-violence has been emulated by hundreds of resistance movements around

hundreds of resistance movements around

hundreds of resistance movements around the world it was used by Martin Luther

the world it was used by Martin Luther

the world it was used by Martin Luther King in his struggle for civil rights in

King in his struggle for civil rights in

King in his struggle for civil rights in America by Nelson Mandela in his fight

America by Nelson Mandela in his fight

America by Nelson Mandela in his fight against apartheid in South Africa and by

against apartheid in South Africa and by

against apartheid in South Africa and by let the lens of solidarity movement in

let the lens of solidarity movement in

let the lens of solidarity movement in Poland all of these movements of

Poland all of these movements of

Poland all of these movements of oppressed and marginalized people for

oppressed and marginalized people for

oppressed and marginalized people for justice and human rights can trace their

justice and human rights can trace their

justice and human rights can trace their origins back to Gandhi and his

origins back to Gandhi and his

origins back to Gandhi and his inspiration his teacher the author of

inspiration his teacher the author of

inspiration his teacher the author of the Sermon on the Mount Jesus himself

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[Music] just outside the village of nag Hammadi

just outside the village of nag Hammadi

just outside the village of nag Hammadi in Egypt is a complex of caves carved

in Egypt is a complex of caves carved

in Egypt is a complex of caves carved out of a massive cliff in December 1945

out of a massive cliff in December 1945

out of a massive cliff in December 1945 there was an extraordinary

there was an extraordinary

there was an extraordinary archaeological discovery here a local

archaeological discovery here a local

archaeological discovery here a local farmer was searching for some fertilizer

farmer was searching for some fertilizer

farmer was searching for some fertilizer when he uncovered an ancient clay jar

when he uncovered an ancient clay jar

when he uncovered an ancient clay jar when he broke it open he found 13

when he broke it open he found 13

when he broke it open he found 13 manuscripts containing 52 religious and

manuscripts containing 52 religious and

manuscripts containing 52 religious and philosophical texts it has been

philosophical texts it has been

philosophical texts it has been described as one of the greatest

described as one of the greatest

described as one of the greatest discoveries in Christian history the

discoveries in Christian history the

discoveries in Christian history the texts that were uncovered revealed a

texts that were uncovered revealed a

texts that were uncovered revealed a version of Jesus's story that had been

version of Jesus's story that had been

version of Jesus's story that had been hidden away for over 1,600 years

hidden away for over 1,600 years

hidden away for over 1,600 years the Christianity we have today is

the Christianity we have today is

the Christianity we have today is largely based on the work of one man

largely based on the work of one man

largely based on the work of one man Paul for Paul Jesus was a heavenly being

Paul for Paul Jesus was a heavenly being

Paul for Paul Jesus was a heavenly being sent to earth to save the world from sin

sent to earth to save the world from sin

sent to earth to save the world from sin over the last 2,000 years Christianity

over the last 2,000 years Christianity

over the last 2,000 years Christianity has built a huge edifice to affirm those

has built a huge edifice to affirm those

has built a huge edifice to affirm those basic ideas a theology around Jesus the

basic ideas a theology around Jesus the

basic ideas a theology around Jesus the Son of God born of a virgin who died and

Son of God born of a virgin who died and

Son of God born of a virgin who died and was resurrected it is Paul's version of

was resurrected it is Paul's version of

was resurrected it is Paul's version of Christianity that dominates the world

Christianity that dominates the world

Christianity that dominates the world today what was discovered here in this

today what was discovered here in this

today what was discovered here in this cave over 60 years ago revolutionized

cave over 60 years ago revolutionized

cave over 60 years ago revolutionized scholars understanding of early

scholars understanding of early

scholars understanding of early Christianity and in particular I believe

Christianity and in particular I believe

Christianity and in particular I believe it revealed the

it revealed the

it revealed the poor elements of Jesus's story today

poor elements of Jesus's story today

poor elements of Jesus's story today most of the manuscripts are locked away

most of the manuscripts are locked away

most of the manuscripts are locked away in the Coptic Museum in Cairo I have

in the Coptic Museum in Cairo I have

in the Coptic Museum in Cairo I have been granted special permission to view

been granted special permission to view

been granted special permission to view one of the sixteen hundred year old

one of the sixteen hundred year old

one of the sixteen hundred year old texts an ancient gospel that paints a

texts an ancient gospel that paints a

texts an ancient gospel that paints a very different picture of Jesus the

very different picture of Jesus the

very different picture of Jesus the Gospel of Thomas yes it is more advanced

Gospel of Thomas yes it is more advanced

Gospel of Thomas yes it is more advanced one beautiful thing this collection so

one beautiful thing this collection so

one beautiful thing this collection so this is a fragment from the Gospel of

this is a fragment from the Gospel of

this is a fragment from the Gospel of Thomas yes Wow wow this is absolutely

Thomas yes Wow wow this is absolutely

Thomas yes Wow wow this is absolutely amazing because this is very very old

amazing because this is very very old

amazing because this is very very old the original text is thought to have

the original text is thought to have

the original text is thought to have been written at the same time as part of

been written at the same time as part of

been written at the same time as part of the New Testament and arguably this is a

the New Testament and arguably this is a

the New Testament and arguably this is a more important find in church history

more important find in church history

more important find in church history than even the Dead Sea Scrolls it's it's

than even the Dead Sea Scrolls it's it's

than even the Dead Sea Scrolls it's it's probably the most important find this is

probably the most important find this is

probably the most important find this is the only gospel who speak about what

the only gospel who speak about what

the only gospel who speak about what they're singing of the first line of the

they're singing of the first line of the

they're singing of the first line of the Gospel of Thomas reads these are the

Gospel of Thomas reads these are the

Gospel of Thomas reads these are the secret sayings which the living Jesus

secret sayings which the living Jesus

secret sayings which the living Jesus spoke

spoke

spoke unlike the Gospels that made it into the

unlike the Gospels that made it into the

unlike the Gospels that made it into the New Testament there are no stories about

New Testament there are no stories about

New Testament there are no stories about Jesus's birth life or death just his

Jesus's birth life or death just his

Jesus's birth life or death just his teachings do you mind if I hold it this

teachings do you mind if I hold it this

teachings do you mind if I hold it this is very very precious and priceless

is very very precious and priceless

is very very precious and priceless piece of fish in church history because

piece of fish in church history because

piece of fish in church history because there's a very different image of Jesus

there's a very different image of Jesus

there's a very different image of Jesus presented here through the sayings of

presented here through the sayings of

presented here through the sayings of Jesus the trouble for many Christians is

Jesus the trouble for many Christians is

Jesus the trouble for many Christians is that this gospel has no mention of the

that this gospel has no mention of the

that this gospel has no mention of the virgin birth no mention of Jesus as the

virgin birth no mention of Jesus as the

virgin birth no mention of Jesus as the Son of God and no mention of the

Son of God and no mention of the

Son of God and no mention of the resurrection and for many Christians

resurrection and for many Christians

resurrection and for many Christians today

today

today this is heresy one of the museum's

this is heresy one of the museum's

this is heresy one of the museum's curators was a Coptic Christian so I

curators was a Coptic Christian so I

curators was a Coptic Christian so I asked her how she felt about the Gospel

asked her how she felt about the Gospel

asked her how she felt about the Gospel of Thomas

of Thomas

of Thomas I am Christian and this idea is totally

I am Christian and this idea is totally

I am Christian and this idea is totally different about what Christianity do you

different about what Christianity do you

different about what Christianity do you think it's heresy yes I think so

think it's heresy yes I think so

think it's heresy yes I think so but the Jesus here isn't that Jesus you

but the Jesus here isn't that Jesus you

but the Jesus here isn't that Jesus you believe in no no it isn't not at all do

believe in no no it isn't not at all do

believe in no no it isn't not at all do you feel that this is actually a

you feel that this is actually a

you feel that this is actually a dangerous thing to have here because it

dangerous thing to have here because it

dangerous thing to have here because it isn't part of the traditional

isn't part of the traditional

isn't part of the traditional understanding of Jesus yes you're afraid

understanding of Jesus yes you're afraid

understanding of Jesus yes you're afraid [Music]

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[Music] what is clear from this discovery is

what is clear from this discovery is

what is clear from this discovery is that some of the earliest Christians had

that some of the earliest Christians had

that some of the earliest Christians had a very different view of Jesus at Jesus

a very different view of Jesus at Jesus

a very different view of Jesus at Jesus without the Christian dogma that Paul

without the Christian dogma that Paul

without the Christian dogma that Paul and his followers revealed later and for

and his followers revealed later and for

and his followers revealed later and for me that's the real hidden Jesus I don't

me that's the real hidden Jesus I don't

me that's the real hidden Jesus I don't care is Paul borrowed ideas from other

care is Paul borrowed ideas from other

care is Paul borrowed ideas from other pagan gods or whether Jesus was

pagan gods or whether Jesus was

pagan gods or whether Jesus was influenced by the Buddhists or even

influenced by the Buddhists or even

influenced by the Buddhists or even whether he is buried in Kashmir

whether he is buried in Kashmir

whether he is buried in Kashmir my searches told me that if you want to

my searches told me that if you want to

my searches told me that if you want to find the real Jesus it is his teachings

find the real Jesus it is his teachings

find the real Jesus it is his teachings that are important and in particular how

that are important and in particular how

that are important and in particular how they can be put into action just as

they can be put into action just as

they can be put into action just as Gandhi realized 75 years ago 20 miles

Gandhi realized 75 years ago 20 miles

Gandhi realized 75 years ago 20 miles south of Bethlehem in the Israeli

south of Bethlehem in the Israeli

south of Bethlehem in the Israeli occupied West Bank I am now on my way to

occupied West Bank I am now on my way to

occupied West Bank I am now on my way to meet up with a group of Palestinian

meet up with a group of Palestinian

meet up with a group of Palestinian olive farmers with them are some foreign

olive farmers with them are some foreign

olive farmers with them are some foreign helpers

every Auto desperate struggle is played

every Auto desperate struggle is played

every Auto desperate struggle is played out on the hills around Bethlehem

out on the hills around Bethlehem

out on the hills around Bethlehem between Palestinian farmers who want to

between Palestinian farmers who want to

between Palestinian farmers who want to harvest their olives and Israeli

harvest their olives and Israeli

harvest their olives and Israeli settlers who tried to prevent them it is

settlers who tried to prevent them it is

settlers who tried to prevent them it is a microcosm of the decades-long

a microcosm of the decades-long

a microcosm of the decades-long israeli-palestinian conflict many of the

israeli-palestinian conflict many of the

israeli-palestinian conflict many of the olive trees are on Palestinian land

olive trees are on Palestinian land

olive trees are on Palestinian land right next to the Israeli settlements

right next to the Israeli settlements

right next to the Israeli settlements and the settlers are worried about their

and the settlers are worried about their

and the settlers are worried about their security

security

security [Music]

religious groups try to help the farmers

religious groups try to help the farmers

religious groups try to help the farmers negotiate access to their land that's a

negotiate access to their land that's a

negotiate access to their land that's a Christian organization yes so why did

Christian organization yes so why did

Christian organization yes so why did you get involved in this what's the

you get involved in this what's the

you get involved in this what's the motivation

motivation

motivation Eileen Hansen is a Christian volunteer

Eileen Hansen is a Christian volunteer

Eileen Hansen is a Christian volunteer we believe that the gospel is is about

we believe that the gospel is is about

we believe that the gospel is is about standing in solidarity with people

standing in solidarity with people

standing in solidarity with people particularly the poor those who are

particularly the poor those who are

particularly the poor those who are facing violence so we've taken on as

facing violence so we've taken on as

facing violence so we've taken on as peacemakers the gospel call to be

peacemakers the gospel call to be

peacemakers the gospel call to be peacemakers and to do that actively so

peacemakers and to do that actively so

peacemakers and to do that actively so when Jesus speaks off people who follow

when Jesus speaks off people who follow

when Jesus speaks off people who follow Jesus being those who make peace you see

Jesus being those who make peace you see

Jesus being those who make peace you see that as being an integral part of your

that as being an integral part of your

that as being an integral part of your faith yes and that it's an active

faith yes and that it's an active

faith yes and that it's an active requires an active participation in

requires an active participation in

requires an active participation in being a peacemaker right it's our faith

being a peacemaker right it's our faith

being a peacemaker right it's our faith in Jesus is to take risks even if that

in Jesus is to take risks even if that

in Jesus is to take risks even if that means risking your own life we come to

means risking your own life we come to

means risking your own life we come to zones of conflict in particular to be

zones of conflict in particular to be

zones of conflict in particular to be peacemakers because it's one thing to be

peacemakers because it's one thing to be

peacemakers because it's one thing to be a peacemaker where there's no risk

a peacemaker where there's no risk

a peacemaker where there's no risk involved but armies are sent to zones of

involved but armies are sent to zones of

involved but armies are sent to zones of conflict and their lives in danger in

conflict and their lives in danger in

conflict and their lives in danger in order to make war and we feel that the

order to make war and we feel that the

order to make war and we feel that the same call the same risks must be made by

same call the same risks must be made by

same call the same risks must be made by peacemakers if we really are serious

peacemakers if we really are serious

peacemakers if we really are serious about wanting peace but they're not just

about wanting peace but they're not just

about wanting peace but they're not just Christians here leading the negotiations

Christians here leading the negotiations

Christians here leading the negotiations with the Israeli soldiers guarding the

with the Israeli soldiers guarding the

with the Israeli soldiers guarding the settlement is a Jewish rabbi demos the

settlement is a Jewish rabbi demos the

settlement is a Jewish rabbi demos the very first verses of the Bible in the

very first verses of the Bible in the

very first verses of the Bible in the book of Genesis we learned that all

book of Genesis we learned that all

book of Genesis we learned that all human beings were created but

human beings were created but

human beings were created but sentimentally and God's image doesn't

sentimentally and God's image doesn't

sentimentally and God's image doesn't just say Jews or non-jews or the rich

just say Jews or non-jews or the rich

just say Jews or non-jews or the rich for the poor and makes a point of saying

for the poor and makes a point of saying

for the poor and makes a point of saying both men and women and so starting from

both men and women and so starting from

both men and women and so starting from that basic idea that we are all created

that basic idea that we are all created

that basic idea that we are all created in God's image we believe that we have a

in God's image we believe that we have a

in God's image we believe that we have a religious obligation to honor that image

religious obligation to honor that image

religious obligation to honor that image of God and every human being and that

of God and every human being and that

of God and every human being and that means honoring people's human rights the

means honoring people's human rights the

means honoring people's human rights the incredible thing here is that we have a

incredible thing here is that we have a

incredible thing here is that we have a Jewish rabbi helped by a Christian

Jewish rabbi helped by a Christian

Jewish rabbi helped by a Christian peacemaker team negotiating on behalf of

peacemaker team negotiating on behalf of

peacemaker team negotiating on behalf of some Muslim farmers for me this is just

some Muslim farmers for me this is just

some Muslim farmers for me this is just what the real Jesus would have done we

what the real Jesus would have done we

what the real Jesus would have done we believe that everybody is creating God's

believe that everybody is creating God's

believe that everybody is creating God's image the settlers are created in God's

image the settlers are created in God's

image the settlers are created in God's image the Palestinians are created in

image the Palestinians are created in

image the Palestinians are created in God's image even the soldier with the

God's image even the soldier with the

God's image even the soldier with the gun this

gun this

gun this soldier with the Gunners created in

soldier with the Gunners created in

soldier with the Gunners created in God's image and we have to have that in

God's image and we have to have that in

God's image and we have to have that in front of us at all times well looks like

front of us at all times well looks like

front of us at all times well looks like the commander's coming back hi that was

the commander's coming back hi that was

the commander's coming back hi that was good

despite the rabbi's best efforts the

despite the rabbi's best efforts the

despite the rabbi's best efforts the Army is refusing to let the farmers onto

Army is refusing to let the farmers onto

Army is refusing to let the farmers onto their land this is an absolutely

their land this is an absolutely

their land this is an absolutely extraordinary situation you've got these

extraordinary situation you've got these

extraordinary situation you've got these Palestinians would like to do nothing

Palestinians would like to do nothing

Palestinians would like to do nothing more than do a day's work harvest their

more than do a day's work harvest their

more than do a day's work harvest their land and in order to know how to get

land and in order to know how to get

land and in order to know how to get permission from this road and they've

permission from this road and they've

permission from this road and they've got to go through this complex

got to go through this complex

got to go through this complex negotiation just to be able to do a

negotiation just to be able to do a

negotiation just to be able to do a day's work never seen anything like this

after another hour of negotiation the

after another hour of negotiation the

after another hour of negotiation the Israeli soldiers finally gave in and

Israeli soldiers finally gave in and

Israeli soldiers finally gave in and allowed the Palestinian farmers to go

allowed the Palestinian farmers to go

allowed the Palestinian farmers to go onto their own land

to understand the real Jesus you have to

to understand the real Jesus you have to

to understand the real Jesus you have to strip away the doctrine aside the dogma

strip away the doctrine aside the dogma

strip away the doctrine aside the dogma and God to his teachings and it's a

and God to his teachings and it's a

and God to his teachings and it's a message that we can all buy into

message that we can all buy into

message that we can all buy into Christians Jews Muslims all faiths it's

Christians Jews Muslims all faiths it's

Christians Jews Muslims all faiths it's a simple message of truth justice and

a simple message of truth justice and

a simple message of truth justice and human rights for all and I think if

human rights for all and I think if

human rights for all and I think if Jesus was around today this is what he'd

Jesus was around today this is what he'd

Jesus was around today this is what he'd be doing having now looked outside the

be doing having now looked outside the

be doing having now looked outside the Christian tradition I believe the real

Christian tradition I believe the real

Christian tradition I believe the real Jesus the one I call the son of God and

Jesus the one I call the son of God and

Jesus the one I call the son of God and my personal Savior was a revolutionary

my personal Savior was a revolutionary

my personal Savior was a revolutionary teacher and oppressed Jew who challenged

teacher and oppressed Jew who challenged

teacher and oppressed Jew who challenged the hierarchy of Judaism and the tyranny

the hierarchy of Judaism and the tyranny

the hierarchy of Judaism and the tyranny of the Roman Empire and for this reason

of the Roman Empire and for this reason

of the Roman Empire and for this reason Jesus was executed like any political

Jesus was executed like any political

Jesus was executed like any political enemy what he left us with was a

enemy what he left us with was a

enemy what he left us with was a university powerful message about what

university powerful message about what

university powerful message about what it means to serve your God to oppose

it means to serve your God to oppose

it means to serve your God to oppose injustice and oppression wherever its

injustice and oppression wherever its

injustice and oppression wherever its found it doesn't matter whether anything

found it doesn't matter whether anything

found it doesn't matter whether anything in Christianity is borrowed from other

in Christianity is borrowed from other

in Christianity is borrowed from other religions and it doesn't matter whether

religions and it doesn't matter whether

religions and it doesn't matter whether you believe in the virgin birth

you believe in the virgin birth

you believe in the virgin birth resurrection or even the Christmas

resurrection or even the Christmas

resurrection or even the Christmas nativity what really matters is Jesus's

nativity what really matters is Jesus's

nativity what really matters is Jesus's message a message that all these

message a message that all these

message a message that all these religions share a message that if we

religions share a message that if we

religions share a message that if we follow we can change the world for the

follow we can change the world for the

follow we can change the world for the better

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