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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:23,523 --> 00:00:26,317 I never thought I'd find private investigation to be 2 00:00:26,401 --> 00:00:28,028 as frustrating as it was. 3 00:00:29,112 --> 00:00:31,990 A lot of times, even if you found the truth for people, 4 00:00:32,115 --> 00:00:34,034 or if you found the information they were seeking, 5 00:00:34,409 --> 00:00:35,618 you know, it wasn't enough. 6 00:00:35,994 --> 00:00:39,748 Even though private investigators made a great deal of headway on it, 7 00:00:39,831 --> 00:00:41,416 uh, incredible progress, 8 00:00:41,499 --> 00:00:43,668 pushing the case when law enforcement wouldn't, 9 00:00:44,419 --> 00:00:47,630 a family shouldn't have to pay exorbitant amounts of money 10 00:00:47,714 --> 00:00:50,508 to see justice for their loved one when there's significant evidence 11 00:00:50,592 --> 00:00:52,218 that a crime has been committed. 12 00:00:58,349 --> 00:01:03,146 Garret's case changed my view of my own society and my community. 13 00:01:06,316 --> 00:01:10,236 It changed my view of what it means to pursue justice 14 00:01:10,820 --> 00:01:13,364 if another citizen wrongs you. 15 00:01:13,865 --> 00:01:18,912 Uh, and it made me question the lengths that my government would go to protect me. 16 00:01:20,288 --> 00:01:23,917 And it left me with a pretty serious doubt in that regard. 17 00:01:24,459 --> 00:01:25,919 I think that's one of the things 18 00:01:26,002 --> 00:01:29,339 that is supposed to make our society different, is the rule of law. 19 00:01:31,508 --> 00:01:34,803 And when that breaks down, what do you have left? 20 00:02:57,844 --> 00:03:01,389 You know, there's some cases that get better with time, 21 00:03:01,764 --> 00:03:06,686 and there's many more cases that just dissipate into nowhere. 22 00:03:06,769 --> 00:03:10,064 And I felt this was going in that direction. 23 00:03:11,691 --> 00:03:14,861 After Garret's body was found, 24 00:03:14,944 --> 00:03:18,114 the sheriff's department didn't seem to be making an effort at all 25 00:03:18,198 --> 00:03:22,994 to question what we felt was a full-blown suspect. 26 00:03:24,704 --> 00:03:28,875 Humboldt law enforcement had teased that there might have been DNA evidence 27 00:03:28,958 --> 00:03:31,836 against the alleged killer, but as far as I understand, 28 00:03:31,920 --> 00:03:32,962 that did not pan out. 29 00:03:33,546 --> 00:03:36,466 There were talks about, "Well, we're gonna go to Indiana, 30 00:03:36,549 --> 00:03:39,594 where the suspect's from," or "We're going to do this." 31 00:03:39,969 --> 00:03:42,972 Finally, it was, "We're going to the Feds." 32 00:03:43,056 --> 00:03:47,060 The FBI came into my office and took my entire case. 33 00:03:48,228 --> 00:03:53,024 I totally believed that something was going to happen, but nothing did. 34 00:04:00,448 --> 00:04:03,201 We were really hopeful. You know? We thought, "This is it." You know? 35 00:04:03,284 --> 00:04:06,955 We envisioned, "In the next six months or so we'll be going to court." 36 00:04:07,538 --> 00:04:12,043 But I only talked to the FBI twice, I think. 37 00:04:12,126 --> 00:04:17,298 Even though I called constantly, I only got to talk to them twice. 38 00:04:17,382 --> 00:04:20,051 Both times they could not tell me anything. 39 00:04:26,432 --> 00:04:29,143 The FBI got a hold of it. 40 00:04:29,227 --> 00:04:31,396 We had contact with one of its agents. 41 00:04:32,021 --> 00:04:35,817 And he basically said, "I can't answer any questions. 42 00:04:36,192 --> 00:04:39,529 I can't tell you anything, it may put the case in jeopardy." 43 00:04:40,280 --> 00:04:43,241 And then he just dropped off the radar screen. 44 00:04:43,324 --> 00:04:44,701 We never heard from him again. 45 00:04:45,576 --> 00:04:49,580 And that was really discouraging to me because I felt like, "Well... 46 00:04:50,957 --> 00:04:54,002 who do I turn to now?" You know? 47 00:04:55,503 --> 00:05:00,425 We were never able to know why the FBI specifically got involved. 48 00:05:00,508 --> 00:05:04,012 We speculated that maybe it had something to do with an organized crime connection 49 00:05:04,095 --> 00:05:06,889 or interstate trafficking, but, uh... 50 00:05:06,973 --> 00:05:08,891 based on our understanding at the time, 51 00:05:08,975 --> 00:05:12,645 homicide, you know, general homicide, it's not in the FBI's purview. 52 00:05:13,104 --> 00:05:16,399 It kind of would leave me with the impression that they were pursuing 53 00:05:16,482 --> 00:05:19,319 an entirely different line of inquiry than we were. 54 00:05:19,402 --> 00:05:22,322 New names, different locations, people out of the country. 55 00:05:22,405 --> 00:05:26,367 And I'm like, "I don't know." Seemed like everything we needed was in Alderpoint. 56 00:05:40,757 --> 00:05:45,053 About two months after the Thanksgiving night incident, 57 00:05:45,136 --> 00:05:47,096 a sheriff's deputy 58 00:05:47,180 --> 00:05:49,932 and an FBI agent rode up my driveway... 59 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:54,270 and, uh, wanted to question me. 60 00:05:54,604 --> 00:05:59,817 The FBI agent asked if I would describe the events in detail. 61 00:05:59,901 --> 00:06:02,987 So I told him, "I heard an admission of murder. 62 00:06:04,989 --> 00:06:07,408 We got the truth. We got the truth. 63 00:06:08,618 --> 00:06:10,661 And we found the body." 64 00:06:12,413 --> 00:06:17,960 But that was the last that I heard from any constabulary about the case. 65 00:06:19,837 --> 00:06:26,552 It's a shame that more of the people who were at the Thanksgiving event 66 00:06:27,095 --> 00:06:29,180 didn't come forward and tell the story. 67 00:06:31,391 --> 00:06:36,562 But the Alderpoint 8 actually was a misnomer because, 68 00:06:36,646 --> 00:06:38,314 other than myself, 69 00:06:38,398 --> 00:06:43,486 there were only three that was present to hear the admission. 70 00:06:43,569 --> 00:06:44,695 Scott, 71 00:06:45,696 --> 00:06:46,781 Neil, 72 00:06:47,990 --> 00:06:49,117 and Bob. 73 00:07:17,186 --> 00:07:20,398 The police want to say that Alderpoint is anti-cops, anti-law. 74 00:07:20,481 --> 00:07:23,192 It's vigilante justice up here and we don't let them help. Bullshit. 75 00:07:27,655 --> 00:07:31,617 After Neil got killed, Scott wanted the police to come and get Matt 76 00:07:31,701 --> 00:07:33,327 and have a legal consequence. 77 00:07:33,828 --> 00:07:35,830 He wanted people to see this is not okay. 78 00:07:40,626 --> 00:07:41,461 The police came. 79 00:07:42,670 --> 00:07:45,923 I showed them on my computer, "This is Matt Brown. This is what he looks like. 80 00:07:46,007 --> 00:07:47,300 I don't know what street he's on. 81 00:07:47,383 --> 00:07:49,677 I can't tell you, 'Go left, go right.' I'm not familiar-- 82 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:53,181 But I will go with you guys in the car. I will show you where he's at." 83 00:07:53,264 --> 00:07:56,559 "Oh, well, we want to do that, but he's got a gun, and he might..." 84 00:07:59,020 --> 00:08:01,606 "You guys have guns, too. What are you talking about?" 85 00:08:04,859 --> 00:08:06,444 We told 'em right where he was. 86 00:08:06,903 --> 00:08:10,740 They could've gotten him that night. But they didn't. 87 00:08:14,118 --> 00:08:16,329 For three days, he was in Alderpoint. 88 00:08:18,372 --> 00:08:19,749 My phone rang off the hook. 89 00:08:19,832 --> 00:08:22,418 Everybody in this town called, numerous times. 90 00:08:22,877 --> 00:08:26,005 They said, "He's right here. He's on a bike. He's in a car." 91 00:08:26,714 --> 00:08:30,259 Point by point telling us where he was at. I'd be like, "Okay, he's here now, he's-- 92 00:08:30,343 --> 00:08:33,804 We want to get him, but he's got a gun and this and that's going on. 93 00:08:33,888 --> 00:08:35,014 We're not gonna get him." 94 00:08:39,185 --> 00:08:43,898 Matt was seen driving around on a motorcycle with a wig. 95 00:08:43,981 --> 00:08:45,608 And he was threatening people 96 00:08:45,691 --> 00:08:49,529 that they better not tell or else he was gonna kill them. 97 00:08:50,988 --> 00:08:52,281 And that was very alarming. 98 00:08:53,115 --> 00:08:55,868 Scott was talking to the cops. He wanted them up here. 99 00:08:55,952 --> 00:08:59,038 He went and talked to them. They were at his house. 100 00:08:59,121 --> 00:09:02,208 You figure after a brutal murder like that, you know, point-blank 101 00:09:02,291 --> 00:09:04,377 in somebody else's, you know, bedroom, 102 00:09:04,460 --> 00:09:07,421 you know, you'd figure there'd be some kind of police activity, 103 00:09:08,089 --> 00:09:08,923 something. 104 00:09:13,594 --> 00:09:16,556 That boy, he premeditated that whole ordeal. 105 00:09:17,306 --> 00:09:20,935 Just everything, how it added up, how he came in on a dirt bike. 106 00:09:21,018 --> 00:09:24,188 He comes into the house with a 12-gauge shotgun loaded, 107 00:09:24,897 --> 00:09:27,066 walks up into my dad's bedroom. 108 00:09:27,441 --> 00:09:31,404 The kid, he had something against Neil. It was looking bad. And Neil knew it. 109 00:09:33,072 --> 00:09:37,410 Honestly, it's sad but true. Neil had that coming. 110 00:09:37,493 --> 00:09:40,413 They were acting real runaround and pushed somebody into a corner. 111 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:47,336 It was perfect self-defense, 'cause Neil Decker was telling everybody 112 00:09:47,420 --> 00:09:48,838 that he was gonna kill me. 113 00:09:48,921 --> 00:09:51,966 And self-defense is all based on state of mind. 114 00:09:53,009 --> 00:09:58,180 The Alderpoint 8 shootings played a part in my state of mind 115 00:09:58,264 --> 00:10:00,224 and why I was so fearful of Neil. 116 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:05,563 The outlaw vigilante lifestyle that's up there. 117 00:10:05,646 --> 00:10:09,108 I was frightened. I was scared to death of him killing me. 118 00:10:15,031 --> 00:10:19,952 When Garret went missing, I felt like people were very alarmed. 119 00:10:20,036 --> 00:10:22,121 And they really wanted to bring justice. 120 00:10:22,204 --> 00:10:24,790 Nobody could condone that. Like, that's a monster. 121 00:10:24,874 --> 00:10:27,918 Who could kill this guy because he owed 'em some money, right? 122 00:10:28,294 --> 00:10:31,297 But I feel like when Neil Decker was murdered, 123 00:10:32,048 --> 00:10:34,342 that right there was a breaking point. 124 00:10:35,051 --> 00:10:39,472 I'ma tell you the truth, people were scared from thereon of that situation. 125 00:10:39,555 --> 00:10:40,598 It just got out of hand. 126 00:11:05,039 --> 00:11:08,959 The Humboldt Cure has two farms in the town of Alderpoint. 127 00:11:09,293 --> 00:11:13,923 It is a 27,800-square-foot outdoor. 128 00:11:17,426 --> 00:11:22,682 The production of crops of that size could vary   from anywhere 129 00:11:22,765 --> 00:11:25,810 from 500 to 1,500 pounds, or something. 130 00:11:32,650 --> 00:11:36,696 I first started growing when I was 15 years old. 131 00:11:36,779 --> 00:11:38,030 It was a lot of fun. 132 00:11:38,114 --> 00:11:40,157 You know, it's something I really wanted to do. 133 00:11:41,659 --> 00:11:47,665 Growing up up here with family members who were involved with the trade, 134 00:11:47,748 --> 00:11:49,500 it gave me a different perspective. 135 00:11:49,792 --> 00:11:52,878 You kind of don't really follow the norms. 136 00:11:54,422 --> 00:11:56,590 You know, kind of make your own way in life. 137 00:11:59,385 --> 00:12:03,723 I moved up to Humboldt when I was four years old with my dad. 138 00:12:03,806 --> 00:12:09,103 One of the first memories I can remember was my dad's friend Scott Johnson. 139 00:12:09,186 --> 00:12:12,189 That was the first place we showed up, was his house. 140 00:12:12,815 --> 00:12:15,109 So this right here is our brand, The Humboldt Cure. 141 00:12:15,192 --> 00:12:18,320 As you can see, we have the triangle made out of emerald, 142 00:12:18,404 --> 00:12:20,865 to represent the emerald triangle, where we're at. 143 00:12:20,948 --> 00:12:23,909 This right here is the sun, because we, of course, 144 00:12:23,993 --> 00:12:25,619 we all worship the sun here. 145 00:12:27,037 --> 00:12:30,958 Scott was the first person I ever seen to start branding in Humboldt County. 146 00:12:31,375 --> 00:12:34,712 He had a company called Humboldt Honey Crop. 147 00:12:35,129 --> 00:12:38,883 And he wanted to merge into the legal market. 148 00:12:38,966 --> 00:12:41,469 So he kind of was an influence of mine. 149 00:12:51,479 --> 00:12:54,648 Scott, he was down in Alderpoint at the store, and I seen him. 150 00:12:54,732 --> 00:12:57,443 And Neil had just died, so I went up to Scott and I was talking to him. 151 00:12:57,860 --> 00:13:00,112 He explains this story that unfolded. 152 00:13:01,697 --> 00:13:04,241 Scott, he was almost like a zombie, you know? 153 00:13:04,325 --> 00:13:08,412 He just kept repeating over and over word for word, the whole story. 154 00:13:12,708 --> 00:13:15,211 He just kept repeating it over and over and over again, 155 00:13:15,294 --> 00:13:16,670 'cause he was just in shock. 156 00:13:17,087 --> 00:13:20,090 You know, something was eating at him. I didn't like that. 157 00:13:22,176 --> 00:13:24,011 Everybody that was coming in that house, 158 00:13:24,094 --> 00:13:26,847 they wanted Scott to tell that story over and over about how Neil died. 159 00:13:27,181 --> 00:13:28,098 Over and over again. 160 00:13:29,183 --> 00:13:31,101 And every time he told it, it took a piece of him. 161 00:13:32,853 --> 00:13:35,815 I begged him, "Just go with me. Let's go down south. Let's just go." 162 00:13:35,898 --> 00:13:39,527 So I left 'cause I'm like, I can't even-- "I don't want to see you doing this." 163 00:13:40,319 --> 00:13:42,363 He was actually getting into the truck to leave, 164 00:13:42,446 --> 00:13:44,281 to come meet me, when our neighbor showed up, 165 00:13:44,365 --> 00:13:46,242 and said, "Matt's right down the street." 166 00:13:50,788 --> 00:13:54,375 We were told that he was hiding in a cabin down the road. 167 00:13:54,458 --> 00:13:56,752 My dad felt like he needed to do something. 168 00:13:57,044 --> 00:13:59,088 Neil was gone, see? 169 00:13:59,171 --> 00:14:02,800 That was normally the person that would usually handle something like that. 170 00:14:03,384 --> 00:14:05,970 And Scott was like, "I brought the motherfucker here. 171 00:14:06,053 --> 00:14:08,430 This is my business. I'm gonna go handle it." 172 00:14:09,098 --> 00:14:11,141 Me and a few other people were just, 173 00:14:12,101 --> 00:14:16,272 you know, trying to calm him down, trying to talk him out of it. 174 00:14:16,355 --> 00:14:18,315 People were saying, "Let the law enforcement..." 175 00:14:18,399 --> 00:14:20,693 And he's like, "What law enforce--? Where are they?" 176 00:14:20,776 --> 00:14:24,029 Like, it's four days and not one cop has shown back up. 177 00:14:24,822 --> 00:14:28,659 That's when we all kind of suited up and we went to go find the kid again. 178 00:14:30,911 --> 00:14:34,290 People knew that Scott wanted police justice for Matt Brown, and... 179 00:14:34,373 --> 00:14:35,749 Scott was not a hit man. 180 00:14:36,125 --> 00:14:39,628 Scott was not one that was gonna be, like, beating you into submission. 181 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:41,672 That wasn't Scott's deal, you know? 182 00:14:41,964 --> 00:14:44,967 But the only occasion that I know that Scott went out with the boys 183 00:14:45,050 --> 00:14:49,221 to go get somebody that had done wrong was going up to find Garret. 184 00:14:49,972 --> 00:14:52,766 The second time was that night that he left the house to go get Matt. 185 00:14:52,850 --> 00:14:53,893 He felt responsible. 186 00:14:54,602 --> 00:14:57,646 He knew that he had brought Matt here to work and that Matt had killed Neil. 187 00:14:59,273 --> 00:15:02,943 I don't know what he was thinking, but he had a hat on and a camo jacket, 188 00:15:03,277 --> 00:15:04,111 to go get Matt. 189 00:15:04,194 --> 00:15:06,196 Which just blows my mind, 'cause that was not Scott. 190 00:15:06,864 --> 00:15:09,241 Why would he wear a hat? He never wore a hat before. 191 00:15:10,868 --> 00:15:13,287 Scott said he was just gonna talk to him and ask him 192 00:15:13,370 --> 00:15:14,455 why he killed his friend. 193 00:15:14,788 --> 00:15:17,082 He asked me if I'd go with him, 194 00:15:17,583 --> 00:15:19,126 and watch his back. 195 00:15:20,502 --> 00:15:21,629 I said sure. 196 00:15:22,087 --> 00:15:26,592 He took two people with him, Redhead Dave and this guy. 197 00:15:27,134 --> 00:15:30,054 This guy, I never heard about him before, I never knew anything about him, 198 00:15:30,137 --> 00:15:32,306 but now apparently everybody knew him. 199 00:15:32,389 --> 00:15:33,974 This guy is like a hometown kid. 200 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,686 Scott had given him a property to work on. 201 00:15:37,770 --> 00:15:40,814 The guy just got out of jail and Scott was trying to help him out, 202 00:15:40,898 --> 00:15:43,025 you know, like he always liked to do. 203 00:15:43,442 --> 00:15:45,611 And that guy was there to help, supposedly. 204 00:15:53,702 --> 00:15:56,789 Scott, Redhead Dave, and this guy 205 00:15:57,414 --> 00:15:59,959 they go walking down there to where the cabin is. 206 00:16:00,042 --> 00:16:03,420 And at some point, they split up and went different directions. 207 00:16:06,340 --> 00:16:08,133 We should've never separated. 208 00:16:09,051 --> 00:16:11,095 This guy and I walked down the road. 209 00:16:12,805 --> 00:16:16,600 He went around the cabin, looking for Matt Brown. 210 00:16:16,684 --> 00:16:19,103 He said he looked inside the cabin but they didn't see him, 211 00:16:19,186 --> 00:16:20,354 he wasn't in there. 212 00:16:24,066 --> 00:16:27,695 It started getting dark, so I told him, "We should get going back, you know?" 213 00:16:27,778 --> 00:16:29,863 We start walking back and... 214 00:16:31,991 --> 00:16:34,785 he's probably 30 feet or so ahead of me. 215 00:16:35,119 --> 00:16:38,831 I was facing the other direction, watching the cabin, watching our backs. 216 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:45,629 I was told that Scott came running out. 217 00:16:46,213 --> 00:16:48,507 This guy didn't know that it was Scott. 218 00:16:50,884 --> 00:16:54,888 Scott had put on, like, the hat, you know, specifically a camouflage hat 219 00:16:54,972 --> 00:16:56,765 that Matt Brown was wearing. 220 00:16:58,142 --> 00:17:01,103 And that guy was all amped up. 221 00:17:02,730 --> 00:17:04,690 And he shot him. 222 00:17:10,070 --> 00:17:13,782 This guy accidentally shot Scott, thinking it was Matt Brown. 223 00:17:17,369 --> 00:17:19,329 I don't know. I heard gunshots. 224 00:17:20,122 --> 00:17:22,332 You know, you hear gunshots, you take cover. 225 00:17:22,833 --> 00:17:26,754 And so I ran, down in the woods, on another piece of property. 226 00:17:26,837 --> 00:17:28,380 I just kept going. 227 00:17:29,006 --> 00:17:33,886 I was with Scott Johnson's son. And we heard some gunshots. 228 00:17:33,969 --> 00:17:37,806 I'm like, "Well, someone's probably just shooting some guns." 229 00:17:37,890 --> 00:17:39,475 I didn't think nothing happened. 230 00:17:40,100 --> 00:17:42,770 I believe those were the gunshots that, in fact, killed him. 231 00:17:44,938 --> 00:17:47,566 This guy threw Scott in the back of the truck. 232 00:17:47,649 --> 00:17:50,027 I believe Scott was already dead at that moment. 233 00:17:50,569 --> 00:17:52,529 And then he starts hauling ass out of there. 234 00:17:52,613 --> 00:17:54,281 But the road is so crazy 235 00:17:54,823 --> 00:17:58,911 that Scott's body ends up falling out of the back of the truck. 236 00:18:00,329 --> 00:18:01,705 And he just left him there. 237 00:18:04,833 --> 00:18:06,460 Yeah, it's fucked up. 238 00:18:14,051 --> 00:18:17,054 We heard that he was shot. I was like, "He's gonna make it. 239 00:18:17,137 --> 00:18:19,515 If anybody's gonna make it, it's gonna be him. 240 00:18:19,598 --> 00:18:21,183 He's gonna be okay." 241 00:18:32,027 --> 00:18:35,364 I don't know. I don't know exactly what all happened. 242 00:18:35,447 --> 00:18:39,034 I wish I was there, 'cause I would have made it to where he didn't go down there. 243 00:18:51,088 --> 00:18:54,633 Neil got killed on Friday. And Scott got killed on Monday. 244 00:18:56,802 --> 00:18:58,387 After Neil got shot, 245 00:18:58,804 --> 00:19:03,433 if the cops would've done their job and went and got Matt Brown, 246 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:05,894 Scott would be alive. 247 00:19:06,436 --> 00:19:08,605 It's just messed up, man. 248 00:19:23,954 --> 00:19:26,582 I didn't hear no gunshots. I slept through it all. 249 00:19:27,166 --> 00:19:31,503 The SWAT team woke me up at 6:00 in the morning. 250 00:19:31,837 --> 00:19:34,715 That's when they handcuffed me and took me out of there. 251 00:19:36,884 --> 00:19:41,096 When they were walking me up the road is when I seen Scott there laying dead. 252 00:19:41,805 --> 00:19:43,932 That's when they asked me, "Do you know who that is?" 253 00:19:44,016 --> 00:19:45,976 And I told 'em, "Yeah, that's Scott Johnson." 254 00:19:46,059 --> 00:19:51,064 And they said, "How do you know that?" And I said, "Well, he was like my dad." 255 00:19:53,192 --> 00:19:54,610 How's that make you feel? 256 00:19:56,069 --> 00:19:59,239 Um... Grateful, for my life, 257 00:19:59,323 --> 00:20:02,409 and, I mean, thankful that it wasn't me. 258 00:20:03,994 --> 00:20:06,163 I wish I knew what he was doing down there. 259 00:20:06,246 --> 00:20:09,291 I don't believe that he was coming down there to kill me. 260 00:20:23,180 --> 00:20:26,934 People could take a life lesson from hearing this story. 261 00:20:27,935 --> 00:20:32,189 It captures everything that was wrong 262 00:20:32,272 --> 00:20:35,192 with the prohibition era. 263 00:20:35,275 --> 00:20:38,737 Just like, you know, the gangsters from alcohol era. 264 00:20:39,154 --> 00:20:42,157 You know, there's gonna be things that go bad. 265 00:20:43,700 --> 00:20:47,704 You know, you have this vigilante; you have these murders; 266 00:20:47,788 --> 00:20:49,289 and this is real life. 267 00:20:50,290 --> 00:20:53,543 I feel that would be something that people could learn from. 268 00:20:53,627 --> 00:20:55,921 This is what's wrong with prohibition. 269 00:20:56,004 --> 00:20:59,841 It's not the weed's fault; it's the fact that it was prohibited 270 00:21:00,592 --> 00:21:04,304 which is causing these problems, plain and simple. 271 00:21:06,473 --> 00:21:08,308 The last time I'd seen Scott, at the store, 272 00:21:08,392 --> 00:21:09,977 he gives me a hug, and he goes, 273 00:21:10,060 --> 00:21:14,898 "And I don't want you to ever get involved with any of this stuff. 274 00:21:14,982 --> 00:21:17,150 If you live by the gun, you're gonna die by the gun." 275 00:21:17,859 --> 00:21:22,030 And the next day, you know, he's lying dead in the middle of the road. 276 00:21:38,672 --> 00:21:41,842 I'd seen a write-up after Neil and Scott died that said... 277 00:21:43,677 --> 00:21:45,929 "The Alderpoint 8, two down" or some crap. 278 00:21:46,013 --> 00:21:48,432 I'd seen it just written somewhere, I don't remember. 279 00:21:48,515 --> 00:21:50,142 Like, that pissed me off. 280 00:21:52,102 --> 00:21:55,063 Because they did do the right thing. They got the killer. 281 00:21:55,147 --> 00:21:57,524 They got witnesses saying he took 'em to the grave. 282 00:21:58,400 --> 00:21:59,443 Are you kidding? 283 00:21:59,985 --> 00:22:04,239 They did the right thing for a change. And nobody else had done the right thing. 284 00:22:05,949 --> 00:22:08,368 If they hadn't taken that person 285 00:22:08,952 --> 00:22:11,621 and he hadn't shown him where Garret was buried, 286 00:22:12,414 --> 00:22:16,293 to this day, we would not have found Garret. And I know that. 287 00:22:17,085 --> 00:22:19,338 We would have never known what happened to him. 288 00:22:20,005 --> 00:22:22,549 Some people say it was vigilante justice. 289 00:22:25,177 --> 00:22:26,178 Um... 290 00:22:27,512 --> 00:22:30,974 That's the best justice there is when you have a sheriff's department 291 00:22:31,058 --> 00:22:33,226 like the Humboldt County Sheriff's Department. 292 00:22:36,188 --> 00:22:39,649 We want legitimate law enforcement to come there and take care of the problem. 293 00:22:40,525 --> 00:22:43,695 Unfortunately, we have people in this area that have been outlaws 294 00:22:43,779 --> 00:22:45,739 and they've also been vigilantes. 295 00:22:45,822 --> 00:22:48,909 So they've gone and they've taken matters in their own hands. 296 00:22:49,493 --> 00:22:52,454 And when you do that, then you push us out. 297 00:22:52,537 --> 00:22:57,626 And we can't oftentimes remedy that and go back. 298 00:23:01,046 --> 00:23:02,506 After Scott had been killed, 299 00:23:02,881 --> 00:23:06,301 the police interviewed the person that shot Scott a couple times. 300 00:23:07,177 --> 00:23:08,345 And they know that he did it. 301 00:23:08,428 --> 00:23:11,098 And he knows that they know that he did it, but... 302 00:23:12,516 --> 00:23:14,393 I gave the cops my statement. 303 00:23:14,976 --> 00:23:18,563 And I just told them, you know, what I saw and what I heard. 304 00:23:19,147 --> 00:23:21,274 And I didn't see that guy shoot him. 305 00:23:23,443 --> 00:23:26,988 But I heard the gunshots, 306 00:23:27,072 --> 00:23:31,952 and I know that there was only two other people out there besides me. 307 00:23:34,121 --> 00:23:36,790 The police told me they needed the murder weapon. 308 00:23:36,873 --> 00:23:39,543 So I put out a $5,000 reward for the murder weapon. 309 00:23:40,335 --> 00:23:42,587 And somebody turned the gun in. 310 00:23:43,630 --> 00:23:46,883 The police got the gun, and they told me it was the gun that had killed Scott. 311 00:23:48,468 --> 00:23:51,555 But that wasn't enough, 'cause there was no fingerprints or-- 312 00:23:51,638 --> 00:23:54,391 we needed somebody to say they saw him with the gun. 313 00:23:56,726 --> 00:23:58,311 And now Scott's a cold case. 314 00:24:20,375 --> 00:24:25,255 Bob always thought that he had to make himself look tough. 315 00:24:25,797 --> 00:24:29,759 He was one of the people that was caught up in the outlaw vigilante thing. 316 00:24:29,843 --> 00:24:32,471 He was there the night that Neil went up to confront the person 317 00:24:32,554 --> 00:24:34,389 that had allegedly shot Garret. 318 00:24:35,432 --> 00:24:38,059 Neil was just, like, yelling, "What did you do with Garret?" 319 00:24:39,644 --> 00:24:43,023 Bob comes out, you know, pistol-whips him. 320 00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:45,901 The gun ends up going off. 321 00:24:46,568 --> 00:24:47,944 Shot his ear. 322 00:24:49,237 --> 00:24:51,781 He did things that were not cool, but he did things that were. 323 00:24:51,865 --> 00:24:56,495 But he did-- He was intrigued by the whole outlaw mentality up here. 324 00:25:03,418 --> 00:25:05,253 It's hard to say what happened. 325 00:25:05,837 --> 00:25:10,759 It happened in Alderpoint, so you're gonna have 50 different versions of it. 326 00:25:13,428 --> 00:25:18,058 Zach Harrison, he's a kid that, like, grew up in Alderpoint. 327 00:25:18,141 --> 00:25:22,229 The thing that happened with him and Bob, it started over something so stupid. 328 00:25:22,312 --> 00:25:24,481 These guys start bragging on each other. 329 00:25:24,564 --> 00:25:26,858 Like, "Oh, yeah, I've done this and I've done that." 330 00:25:26,942 --> 00:25:28,902 And fuckin', "I've done this and I've done that." 331 00:25:28,985 --> 00:25:31,780 So they're building each other up to each other, you know? 332 00:25:34,324 --> 00:25:37,410 Bob, he thought that he intimidated people 333 00:25:37,494 --> 00:25:38,995 because he was a big guy, 334 00:25:39,079 --> 00:25:43,041 and he would pull his gun out whenever he felt the need to. 335 00:25:43,542 --> 00:25:45,544 He's even said to a lot of people, 336 00:25:45,627 --> 00:25:47,128 "I'm too old to fight, you know? 337 00:25:47,212 --> 00:25:50,340 If somebody wants to fight me, I'll take out my gun and shoot 'em." 338 00:25:51,091 --> 00:25:53,218 And so Zach hears all this stuff. 339 00:25:53,301 --> 00:25:56,263 Zach goes up to Bob, saying, "I'm a bad motherfucker." 340 00:25:56,638 --> 00:25:59,849 And then Bob took it offensively and was like, "Fuck you. 341 00:25:59,933 --> 00:26:02,352 I'll rape you in your ass" or something, he told the guy. 342 00:26:03,228 --> 00:26:06,147 Zach had confided in me that he was touched when he was a kid. 343 00:26:06,231 --> 00:26:08,817 Like, somebody had sexually abused him. 344 00:26:08,900 --> 00:26:11,319 And so I think that hit home with him, you know? 345 00:26:11,403 --> 00:26:16,199 It was just like when he told Zach that, it triggered something in Zach 346 00:26:16,283 --> 00:26:17,784 that was like, "Okay." 347 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:23,665 And that's when he grabbed his rifle. Bob saw him with the rifle and reacted. 348 00:26:23,748 --> 00:26:26,418 And so it was, like, Zach saw him reaching for a weapon 349 00:26:26,501 --> 00:26:29,462 and Zach just ran up and shot at him, you know? 350 00:26:31,006 --> 00:26:33,091 Zach killed him, and... 351 00:26:34,634 --> 00:26:35,552 it's sad. 352 00:26:36,803 --> 00:26:40,515 I heard the bullets. I ran to the street... 353 00:26:41,433 --> 00:26:43,351 and seen him standing there, 354 00:26:43,935 --> 00:26:46,646 with the gun and the car, 355 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,941 and, of course, could see who was the shooter. 356 00:26:52,152 --> 00:26:54,738 And after the shooting, 357 00:26:54,821 --> 00:26:59,034 Zach acted like nothing ever happened 358 00:26:59,117 --> 00:27:02,996 and went to the end of the street and talked to some other people, 359 00:27:03,079 --> 00:27:05,498 and said, "Come on, let's go party." 360 00:27:08,209 --> 00:27:09,169 And... 361 00:27:10,086 --> 00:27:11,379 that's pretty crazy 362 00:27:11,463 --> 00:27:15,800 when stuff like that happens right here in the middle of town. 363 00:27:16,426 --> 00:27:18,762 Right in broad daylight. 364 00:27:32,275 --> 00:27:34,319 Saturday, it was a terrifying scene 365 00:27:34,402 --> 00:27:36,029 for the people of Alderpoint. 366 00:27:36,112 --> 00:27:38,823 Robert James Holtsclaw shot to death, 367 00:27:38,907 --> 00:27:41,576 and the shooter is nowhere to be found. 368 00:27:41,826 --> 00:27:45,622 And the suspect, 27-year-old Zachary Cordell Harrison, 369 00:27:45,705 --> 00:27:48,708 deputies tell us that Harrison is believed to have been last seen 370 00:27:48,792 --> 00:27:53,672 driving in the Alderpoint area in a black Ford F-250 with Oregon plates. 371 00:27:53,755 --> 00:27:56,675 Deputies say this homicide is currently under investigation. 372 00:27:56,758 --> 00:28:00,387 They also say if you see Harrison, call 911 right away. 373 00:28:00,470 --> 00:28:02,722 He is considered armed and dangerous. 374 00:28:20,782 --> 00:28:21,783 It's okay, buddy. 375 00:28:25,286 --> 00:28:28,415 The Rancho used to be family oriented. This used to be a family mountain. 376 00:28:28,498 --> 00:28:31,334 - Yeah. - It's not anymore. It's nothing anymore. 377 00:28:31,876 --> 00:28:34,921 I could sit on the road, if I'd seen any cars, I knew everybody that went by. 378 00:28:36,506 --> 00:28:39,676 Back when everything was good, like, the paradise era, 379 00:28:40,301 --> 00:28:44,806 everyone was just happy, everyone was just growing cannabis. 380 00:28:45,056 --> 00:28:47,767 There wasn't all these murders. 381 00:28:48,601 --> 00:28:50,103 You didn't want law enforcement around, 382 00:28:50,186 --> 00:28:53,481 'cause what good could happen-- Nobody was hurting each other. 383 00:28:53,565 --> 00:28:54,649 There was no harm. 384 00:28:55,442 --> 00:28:56,776 It was peaceful. 385 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,739 We never locked our doors, we didn't even close our doors at night. 386 00:29:00,822 --> 00:29:02,949 We'd go to town, we'd leave everything open. 387 00:29:03,032 --> 00:29:06,286 Our kids could walk down the street at night. We didn't worry about 'em. 388 00:29:06,369 --> 00:29:08,621 Which, God knows, it's not like that anymore. 389 00:29:10,165 --> 00:29:12,459 It's a good community and the people that are good people 390 00:29:12,542 --> 00:29:14,502 don't want to be about the "Murder Mountain" thing. 391 00:29:16,504 --> 00:29:20,049 This area's been portrayed as an area of these outlaws 392 00:29:20,133 --> 00:29:22,218 and these murderers and stuff, when, in fact, 393 00:29:22,302 --> 00:29:24,471 it's just these guys that want to make a living. 394 00:29:24,846 --> 00:29:26,806 They want to pass something on to their children. 395 00:29:26,890 --> 00:29:28,933 They want to do a family tradition. 396 00:29:31,561 --> 00:29:33,605 I believe legalization is the key. 397 00:29:33,688 --> 00:29:39,319 I feel like that whole thing where people don't want the police around no more, 398 00:29:39,569 --> 00:29:41,488 nowadays, it's all changing. 399 00:29:42,197 --> 00:29:45,867 We need more cops. Absolutely. Those guys are way overwhelmed. 400 00:29:47,327 --> 00:29:50,830 The way I see law enforcement, you know, it's all about perspective. 401 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,417 You have these guys that would never talk to cops and they hate cops 402 00:29:54,501 --> 00:29:55,627 and all this stuff. 403 00:29:56,127 --> 00:29:59,672 You know, and now and all of a sudden, they're calling the police all the time. 404 00:29:59,756 --> 00:30:02,091 It's like, "Well, why would we come help you guys? 405 00:30:02,175 --> 00:30:05,053 You guys have never wanted anything to do with us. 406 00:30:05,136 --> 00:30:06,387 Now all of a sudden..." 407 00:30:06,471 --> 00:30:12,393 It's just a lot of trust issues that both sides are gonna have to get over. 408 00:30:12,477 --> 00:30:16,523 And I think once that happens, you're gonna see an end to all this violence. 409 00:30:16,815 --> 00:30:18,358 And that's what needs to happen. 410 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:32,997 It is primary election day. 411 00:30:33,623 --> 00:30:37,627 There's a few local races on the ballot, uh, 412 00:30:37,710 --> 00:30:41,214 including Humboldt County Sheriff, although he's running unopposed. 413 00:30:41,631 --> 00:30:45,593 I recognize this job carries a lot of responsibility and community trust. 414 00:30:46,261 --> 00:30:49,097 This is a job that's not 9:00 to 5:00, Monday through Friday. 415 00:30:49,180 --> 00:30:50,765 It's a job that's 24/7. 416 00:30:51,391 --> 00:30:55,270 I am gonna continue to prioritize investigations that involve violence, 417 00:30:55,353 --> 00:30:59,232 child abuse, drugs, and felons with firearms. 418 00:30:59,315 --> 00:31:01,985 And we are gonna continuously pursue those 419 00:31:02,068 --> 00:31:03,945 and make sure those people are held accountable. 420 00:31:04,028 --> 00:31:07,490 I appreciate all your support. And don't forget to vote. 421 00:31:07,574 --> 00:31:08,950 Thank you very much. 422 00:31:11,786 --> 00:31:15,331 If there's nobody else running, I guess I could write somebody in. 423 00:31:15,415 --> 00:31:18,209 But I don't have any idea who I would want to be sheriff 424 00:31:18,293 --> 00:31:21,629 that would want to also be sheriff, you know? 425 00:31:21,713 --> 00:31:24,799 So he's apparently the only guy that wants the job. 426 00:31:24,883 --> 00:31:28,720 So it must be pretty challenging. 427 00:31:29,804 --> 00:31:31,472 - He's got a tough job. - Yeah. 428 00:31:31,556 --> 00:31:34,642 I wouldn't want to do it. I think Honsal's done a great job 429 00:31:34,726 --> 00:31:35,810 since he's been in. 430 00:31:35,894 --> 00:31:39,272 And how do you feel about the way Honsal has handled, uh, 431 00:31:39,355 --> 00:31:40,815 marijuana eradication? 432 00:31:41,566 --> 00:31:45,028 It's gonna be a tough one to overcome in the years, 433 00:31:45,111 --> 00:31:49,115 you know, to get everyone to be legit and pay taxes. 434 00:31:49,198 --> 00:31:50,033 Right. 435 00:31:50,116 --> 00:31:52,285 I think there's always gonna be a black market for that. 436 00:31:52,785 --> 00:31:57,582 I don't think the county has the resources in the sheriff's department to manage it. 437 00:31:58,833 --> 00:32:01,878 Any thoughts about how the sheriff's office has been handling-- 438 00:32:01,961 --> 00:32:04,672 -The wild west? -Yeah, the wild west, Humboldt County? 439 00:32:04,756 --> 00:32:06,966 I spend a lot of time out in the rural areas, 440 00:32:07,050 --> 00:32:10,303 hunting, fishing, spending time in the outdoors, and it's crazy out there. 441 00:32:10,386 --> 00:32:12,805 -How so? - You know what they're up there doing. 442 00:32:12,889 --> 00:32:15,850 Coming across things you don't want to come across. 443 00:32:15,934 --> 00:32:17,518 It's an ongoing process, really, 444 00:32:17,602 --> 00:32:22,899 and it's not something that'll be fixed overnight or in the next four years. 445 00:32:22,982 --> 00:32:25,234 -Right. -You know? It's gonna take a while. 446 00:32:28,947 --> 00:32:30,406 Developing tonight: 447 00:32:30,490 --> 00:32:32,408 the Humboldt County Sheriff's Office still hunting 448 00:32:32,492 --> 00:32:34,535 for homicide suspect Zachary Harrison. 449 00:32:34,619 --> 00:32:37,205 Deputies say Harrison is wanted on murder charges 450 00:32:37,288 --> 00:32:41,584 in connection to the September death of 58-year-old Robert Holtsclaw. 451 00:32:47,507 --> 00:32:51,177 Right after the Bob situation, Zach ends up going toward Oregon. 452 00:32:51,260 --> 00:32:54,973 He has property up there. He spent ten days with no food at all. 453 00:32:55,390 --> 00:32:59,060 When I actually saw Zach, you know, like, when he popped in for the first time, 454 00:32:59,143 --> 00:33:01,437 and I saw him, I remember opening the door to the trailer, 455 00:33:01,521 --> 00:33:02,855 and he's just standing there. 456 00:33:02,939 --> 00:33:04,857 I thought I was, like, hallucinating or something. 457 00:33:04,941 --> 00:33:07,652 I'm just like, "What-- Zach?" And he was like, "Yeah, man, what's up?" 458 00:33:07,735 --> 00:33:10,488 And I'm just like, "Wow. Good to see you". Gave him a hug, you know. 459 00:33:11,614 --> 00:33:14,325 Zach started making appearances in town. 460 00:33:15,118 --> 00:33:19,539 You know, there's definitely people that saw him that reported him, you know? 461 00:33:19,622 --> 00:33:22,291 And that's what led to the cops being back on his trail. 462 00:33:32,385 --> 00:33:34,804 Last week, we got a tip 463 00:33:34,887 --> 00:33:37,807 that one homicide suspect was in Alderpoint. 464 00:33:37,890 --> 00:33:42,395 Myself and a team of deputies were able to locate Mr. Harrison. 465 00:33:43,312 --> 00:33:47,442 He was in a stolen vehicle, fled from the vehicle. 466 00:33:47,525 --> 00:33:49,902 We had a search team on-scene. 467 00:33:51,487 --> 00:33:54,449 He was able to scale down a steep cliff. 468 00:33:54,532 --> 00:33:58,494 Didn't actually see him enter the water, but found his clothing nearby. 469 00:33:58,911 --> 00:34:01,330 We had assumed that he had entered the water. 470 00:34:01,414 --> 00:34:06,252 Fuckin', he runs off down to the river, tears his clothes off, jumps in the river. 471 00:34:06,961 --> 00:34:09,005 They had the helicopters flying up there. 472 00:34:09,630 --> 00:34:10,798 That kid though? 473 00:34:11,090 --> 00:34:12,050 He's from here. 474 00:34:12,967 --> 00:34:17,388 The reason he stripped his clothes off, 'cause he knows about that thermal shit. 475 00:34:17,472 --> 00:34:21,642 He coats himself in mud, fuckin' turns into a fuckin' Sasquatch and dips on 'em. 476 00:34:23,436 --> 00:34:25,563 It's his nature. Whatever. 477 00:34:28,441 --> 00:34:31,569 When they were looking for Zach and they came and spent the night up here, 478 00:34:31,652 --> 00:34:32,612 that was a first. 479 00:34:32,695 --> 00:34:36,199 Ever. They've never ever come up here and stayed the night. 480 00:34:37,617 --> 00:34:41,829 By the time I left on Thursday, it was getting below 34 degrees. 481 00:34:42,163 --> 00:34:44,540 Naked and wet, I mean, he just crossed a river. 482 00:34:44,832 --> 00:34:51,089 So it lowers the probability of finding that person or finding them alive. 483 00:35:05,561 --> 00:35:08,106 Hey, I just wanted to-- I don't need a microphone. 484 00:35:08,189 --> 00:35:10,900 I got a big, loud voice, my kids can attest to that, 485 00:35:10,983 --> 00:35:12,985 and my wife. 486 00:35:14,278 --> 00:35:17,824 But anyway, I want to just thank every one of you for being here tonight. 487 00:35:17,907 --> 00:35:20,243 Uh, this is a great night. 488 00:35:20,785 --> 00:35:23,162 I'm gonna go ahead and claim victory now. 489 00:35:25,206 --> 00:35:26,290 This is... 490 00:35:27,625 --> 00:35:32,547 I know the polls close in a half hour, but I really appreciate-- 491 00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:34,132 -You're safe. -Yeah, I'm safe. 492 00:35:34,841 --> 00:35:38,636 Uh, but one thing that I just want to reaffirm with all of you, 493 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,973 that it's not just my job here, it's all of our jobs 494 00:35:42,056 --> 00:35:45,017 to make sure that we live in a town that's safe 495 00:35:45,101 --> 00:35:47,562 and that's prosperous, 496 00:35:47,645 --> 00:35:49,438 and that we have a future in Humboldt County. 497 00:35:49,522 --> 00:35:54,360 And that means I am all about community and community engagement. 498 00:35:54,443 --> 00:35:56,737 If there's issues in the community, I expect you to tell me. 499 00:35:56,821 --> 00:36:00,783 And then I expect you also to come onboard and help us with addressing these issues. 500 00:36:01,367 --> 00:36:04,787 It's gonna take all of us to get together to try and fix the problem 501 00:36:04,871 --> 00:36:06,539 before it becomes a problem. 502 00:36:06,873 --> 00:36:08,583 So I need all your help on that. 503 00:36:11,127 --> 00:36:12,170 Thanks. 504 00:36:19,802 --> 00:36:22,722 Zach Harrison is a guy that's been on the run for a while. 505 00:36:22,805 --> 00:36:27,894 And we don't know if he's alive or dead out there in the middle of nowhere. 506 00:36:27,977 --> 00:36:31,063 So we have search teams, both ground and air, looking for him, 507 00:36:31,147 --> 00:36:33,608 and, still, we have not yet located him. 508 00:36:34,734 --> 00:36:36,485 It's a huge challenge, 509 00:36:36,569 --> 00:36:39,030 tracking these kind of guys down in the vast expanses 510 00:36:39,113 --> 00:36:41,199 of a rural county like Humboldt County. 511 00:36:42,283 --> 00:36:47,705 Zachary Harrison kind of developed a reputation as an evil Jason Bourne. 512 00:36:47,788 --> 00:36:51,042 Numerous escapes from law enforcement, some of them dramatic, 513 00:36:51,125 --> 00:36:53,711 crossing rivers with dogs and helicopters involved. 514 00:36:54,962 --> 00:36:56,505 How can I help you? 515 00:36:56,964 --> 00:37:01,636 Hi, I was curious if you guys have found Zachary Harrison yet. 516 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,139 I just saw somebody that kind of looks like him. 517 00:37:05,223 --> 00:37:08,476 It was in that parking lot at the end of Truesdale. 518 00:37:08,559 --> 00:37:09,685 That truck guy too-- 519 00:37:09,769 --> 00:37:12,104 Okay, not a problem. Thank you. Buh-bye. 520 00:37:13,773 --> 00:37:16,108 Checking behind the mall. 521 00:37:17,652 --> 00:37:20,905 As I approached the Walmart parking lot, I saw two males. 522 00:37:21,864 --> 00:37:26,285 I started walking up to them and asked one of them what his name was. 523 00:37:26,369 --> 00:37:30,039 He told me his name was John and he took a step towards me. 524 00:37:30,122 --> 00:37:33,000 And I knew at that point that it was Zach Harrison. 525 00:37:35,044 --> 00:37:38,965 All the thoughts running through my head, like, how he's escaped before, 526 00:37:39,048 --> 00:37:41,259 and was he gonna run? Was he gonna fight? 527 00:37:41,342 --> 00:37:45,888 He got close enough to me to where I was able to grab his right arm and detain him. 528 00:37:46,597 --> 00:37:48,641 I got the cuffs on him pretty quickly. 529 00:37:48,724 --> 00:37:50,977 He didn't try to resist. He didn't try to run. 530 00:37:51,060 --> 00:37:52,812 Lie to me about your name? You think I'm dumb? 531 00:37:52,895 --> 00:37:54,981 -No. -Spread your feet. 532 00:37:55,064 --> 00:37:59,527 I asked him how he survived in the woods for so long, and he just said it was hard. 533 00:37:59,986 --> 00:38:01,821 -I've been on the run. -Yeah. 534 00:38:01,904 --> 00:38:04,240 For a long time now. 'Cause... 535 00:38:04,657 --> 00:38:06,117 You guys have been chasing me. 536 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:07,410 We have, you're right. 537 00:38:07,743 --> 00:38:10,788 One of the most wanted people in Humboldt County is finally in custody 538 00:38:10,871 --> 00:38:12,957 and he's finally being held to answer for the actions 539 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,209 that he's being accused of committing. 540 00:38:15,293 --> 00:38:20,006 I think the tip from the community was of utmost importance to capturing him. 541 00:38:20,715 --> 00:38:25,553 It shows that if citizens feel like their safety's at risk and they call us, 542 00:38:25,636 --> 00:38:27,305 then we can do something about it. 543 00:38:44,780 --> 00:38:49,076 Our biggest challenge, I believe, is the drugs here in Humboldt County. 544 00:38:53,497 --> 00:38:55,708 People say, "Why do you worry about marijuana? 545 00:38:55,791 --> 00:38:58,836 Why you wasting so much manpower on marijuana?" 546 00:38:58,919 --> 00:39:01,255 Because when you look at our stats, 547 00:39:01,339 --> 00:39:07,261 marijuana and other drugs are associated with the majority of our homicides. 548 00:39:07,345 --> 00:39:09,597 Organized crime is alive and well. 549 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:14,060 And a lot of that brings in people that have violent tendencies and violent acts. 550 00:39:14,143 --> 00:39:17,104 They don't want to call the police when they have a problem with someone. 551 00:39:17,188 --> 00:39:21,400 They want to take it in their own hands, and kill people, hold people hostage. 552 00:39:21,484 --> 00:39:24,320 So we're looking at stopping that. We're looking at being proactive. 553 00:39:24,862 --> 00:39:27,573 And to try to make sure and make people aware 554 00:39:27,656 --> 00:39:29,867 that we're out there and we're not going away. 555 00:39:29,950 --> 00:39:33,579 Despite the fact that it's legal now, if you're on the outside, 556 00:39:33,662 --> 00:39:35,039 we're still coming after you. 557 00:39:49,512 --> 00:39:54,475 What do you need to get a conviction in the Garret Rodriguez case? 558 00:39:54,558 --> 00:39:57,353 We need evidence. We need a murder weapon. 559 00:39:57,436 --> 00:40:01,440 We need something that ties to someone that committed that crime. 560 00:40:01,524 --> 00:40:02,733 And that could be a statement. 561 00:40:02,817 --> 00:40:04,944 If someone was there that viewed the homicide, 562 00:40:05,027 --> 00:40:08,030 if someone was there that viewed a confession that wasn't coerced, 563 00:40:08,114 --> 00:40:12,618 or knows where a piece of evidence is that ties the victim and the suspect together, 564 00:40:12,701 --> 00:40:14,578 those are the things that we need. 565 00:40:15,329 --> 00:40:18,207 Someone has to come forward and talk to law enforcement, 566 00:40:18,290 --> 00:40:23,045 and make it clear that they have information that's reliable 567 00:40:23,129 --> 00:40:24,338 and that can be acted upon. 568 00:40:27,258 --> 00:40:30,970 The night that Garret disappeared, 569 00:40:31,053 --> 00:40:35,349 the rumor went that someone did help the alleged person bury the body. 570 00:40:37,852 --> 00:40:40,729 The alleged murderer, he looked at this guy... 571 00:40:42,565 --> 00:40:46,193 and told him, "You work here? Get this shit cleaned up." 572 00:40:48,237 --> 00:40:51,574 Of course, it was a bloody boy that he was getting cleaned up. 573 00:40:52,450 --> 00:40:55,995 The alleged witness was a friend of 574 00:40:56,078 --> 00:40:59,081 the person in question that killed Garret. 575 00:41:00,166 --> 00:41:03,127 The information that we got is that a witness had told somebody 576 00:41:03,210 --> 00:41:04,920 that the individual shot Garret, 577 00:41:05,004 --> 00:41:06,755 and he helped bury the body. 578 00:41:09,008 --> 00:41:14,388 He was the person-- I felt that this guy was the most critical person to interview. 579 00:41:14,472 --> 00:41:16,056 I mean, there's no other witnesses. 580 00:41:16,140 --> 00:41:18,684 But as far as I know, he has not been interviewed. 581 00:41:32,656 --> 00:41:36,327 No one seemed to have any idea where this person disappeared to. 582 00:41:36,744 --> 00:41:39,163 There was reason to believe that this guy 583 00:41:39,246 --> 00:41:41,624 might have left the country after this happened, so... 584 00:41:41,707 --> 00:41:45,085 I know there were individuals that were looking for him that could not find him. 585 00:41:53,135 --> 00:41:55,346 I look at social media a lot. 586 00:41:56,847 --> 00:41:59,433 We've been keeping an eye on this person. 587 00:42:00,017 --> 00:42:05,105 And most recently, all the databases were pointing to San Diego. 588 00:42:05,397 --> 00:42:10,653 But on his main page, this is-- I know this bar. 589 00:42:12,821 --> 00:42:13,989 This is Humboldt. 590 00:42:14,448 --> 00:42:17,868 Definitely local river bar. Southern Humboldt. 591 00:42:17,952 --> 00:42:19,954 The Grow-- a grow in Humboldt. 592 00:42:20,037 --> 00:42:22,831 Founders' Grove, that's in Humboldt. 593 00:42:22,915 --> 00:42:24,416 He's not as far away as I thought. 594 00:42:24,500 --> 00:42:25,834 Here's the Avenue of the Giants. 595 00:42:26,418 --> 00:42:27,503 Rock slide. 596 00:42:27,586 --> 00:42:32,049 He's pretty bold, this guy. He's in Humboldt County. 597 00:42:32,132 --> 00:42:34,593 He knows what happened to Garret. 53078

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