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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:14,931 --> 00:00:17,475 The first thing I ever heard about Murder Mountain was... 2 00:00:20,353 --> 00:00:21,730 back in the '70s, 3 00:00:22,522 --> 00:00:23,398 Scott Johnson... 4 00:00:24,524 --> 00:00:27,652 had a couple of trimmers working for him on his property. 5 00:00:29,946 --> 00:00:32,532 Scott was one of the originals on the mountain, you know? 6 00:00:34,617 --> 00:00:38,371 I think Scott's intentions, when he first started off up here 7 00:00:38,455 --> 00:00:41,708 was to kind of create like a community 8 00:00:41,791 --> 00:00:44,252 where they could all take care of each other. 9 00:00:46,463 --> 00:00:48,631 Scott and his best friend, Clark, 10 00:00:48,715 --> 00:00:53,887 were up there growing weed, and Scott found some trimmers, 11 00:00:53,970 --> 00:00:55,638 and he brought them up to his house. 12 00:00:56,139 --> 00:01:00,351 The couple, Michael Bear Carson and his wife, Suzan, 13 00:01:00,435 --> 00:01:02,687 were traveling through Humboldt County. 14 00:01:03,396 --> 00:01:06,274 Unbeknownst to Scott and everybody else on the property, 15 00:01:06,357 --> 00:01:10,028 and throughout Rancho, in their spare time, 16 00:01:10,111 --> 00:01:11,988 those two trimmers would sneak off... 17 00:01:13,656 --> 00:01:15,825 and commit horrible murders. 18 00:01:16,826 --> 00:01:20,663 They would chop bodies up, and hide them throughout Scott's property. 19 00:01:22,916 --> 00:01:25,585 They were on this holy mission, you know? 20 00:01:25,668 --> 00:01:27,128 It was like a mission from God. 21 00:01:28,463 --> 00:01:31,466 They were killing people that they thought were sinners, 22 00:01:31,549 --> 00:01:33,468 or like, evil, you know? Like witches. 23 00:01:34,094 --> 00:01:35,720 One victim was Clark Stephens, 24 00:01:35,804 --> 00:01:39,641 a young man who moved to Humboldt County to grow marijuana in the early '80s. 25 00:01:40,642 --> 00:01:42,352 Clark was his best friend. 26 00:01:43,436 --> 00:01:47,524 He died because Scott brought these people up there, you know? 27 00:01:48,316 --> 00:01:50,151 And he felt responsible for him. 28 00:01:51,111 --> 00:01:53,905 The legend of Murder Mountain took hold at that point, like... 29 00:01:53,988 --> 00:01:55,990 everything's just a Murder Mountain thing now. 30 00:01:56,074 --> 00:01:58,159 The area is referred to as Murder Mountain. 31 00:01:58,243 --> 00:02:00,745 - Known as Murder Mountain. - Murder Mountain. 32 00:02:00,829 --> 00:02:03,331 ...with a history of violence and missing people. 33 00:02:03,915 --> 00:02:05,792 There's been a lot of murders everywhere, 34 00:02:05,875 --> 00:02:07,502 but for some reason, it stuck here. 35 00:02:07,585 --> 00:02:09,003 The name has stuck here... 36 00:02:09,963 --> 00:02:11,005 which is dumb. 37 00:02:11,089 --> 00:02:13,633 They should call it Widow Mountain. 38 00:03:28,583 --> 00:03:32,712 At this point, we did everything we possibly could do 39 00:03:32,795 --> 00:03:34,714 to try to find what happened to Garret. 40 00:03:38,635 --> 00:03:40,762 The sheriff's department wasn't going to do anything. 41 00:03:42,472 --> 00:03:44,057 I was really frustrated. 42 00:03:45,308 --> 00:03:46,768 I felt helpless. 43 00:03:47,977 --> 00:03:50,063 If the law enforcement agencies 44 00:03:50,146 --> 00:03:52,232 weren't going to do anything about this... 45 00:03:52,815 --> 00:03:53,650 Well... 46 00:03:55,276 --> 00:03:58,112 Who do I turn to now, you know? 47 00:04:02,784 --> 00:04:05,662 I don't want anybody to get a misconception about 48 00:04:05,745 --> 00:04:08,665 my intentions or my actions that night. 49 00:04:09,415 --> 00:04:11,751 I don't consider myself a vigilante. 50 00:04:14,671 --> 00:04:17,215 But we were trying to find Garret. 51 00:04:23,096 --> 00:04:23,972 Thanksgiving... 52 00:04:25,890 --> 00:04:27,308 a plethora of... 53 00:04:28,393 --> 00:04:30,520 vehicles went past my place. 54 00:04:31,813 --> 00:04:33,481 So I followed them up. 55 00:04:38,903 --> 00:04:42,573 There were about eight men dressed in camouflage. 56 00:04:45,034 --> 00:04:47,328 You know the people who were there that night? 57 00:04:48,705 --> 00:04:49,956 Everybody had masks on. 58 00:04:50,498 --> 00:04:51,791 Did you have a mask on? 59 00:04:52,292 --> 00:04:53,418 Yes. 60 00:04:54,085 --> 00:04:56,796 I think the only people that didn't wear masks was Scott... 61 00:04:57,964 --> 00:05:00,133 Neil, Bob. 62 00:05:02,593 --> 00:05:04,846 They weren't having it They didn't want this guy here. 63 00:05:06,264 --> 00:05:08,516 There was arguing going back and forth. 64 00:05:09,559 --> 00:05:11,769 This guy, he was being questioned... 65 00:05:12,770 --> 00:05:17,191 as to his involvement in Garret's murder. 66 00:05:22,238 --> 00:05:25,325 I said, "Everybody in the neighborhood knows that you did it. 67 00:05:26,075 --> 00:05:28,161 Everybody knows you did it. 68 00:05:28,619 --> 00:05:29,704 Where's the body?" 69 00:05:33,207 --> 00:05:35,668 After Neil shot him... 70 00:05:36,252 --> 00:05:38,212 ...and then, Bob pistol-whipped him, 71 00:05:38,755 --> 00:05:41,758 he probably felt like his life was in danger at that point. 72 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,095 He said that he would take him to where the body was buried. 73 00:05:50,475 --> 00:05:52,226 So they got up, loaded him up. 74 00:05:56,856 --> 00:05:57,899 Drove off. 75 00:06:00,234 --> 00:06:02,779 And I didn't see Neil until the next morning. 76 00:06:09,035 --> 00:06:11,079 It was crazy, man, because that was like 77 00:06:11,162 --> 00:06:14,665 a real taste of the old Western outlaw shit. 78 00:06:17,168 --> 00:06:20,004 You know you're living on a place called Murder Mountain, 79 00:06:20,088 --> 00:06:22,090 and then, to see it happening, you know? 80 00:06:22,965 --> 00:06:26,636 There was, like, three murders the first three years I lived up here. 81 00:06:27,637 --> 00:06:29,472 I think that's why weed's been legalized. 82 00:06:30,515 --> 00:06:33,351 They're trying to make it a safe place to live, I guess. 83 00:06:48,866 --> 00:06:51,035 The state's coming in now, with regs. 84 00:06:54,122 --> 00:06:55,248 It has to be clean. 85 00:06:55,957 --> 00:06:57,583 That's not easy to do. 86 00:06:58,042 --> 00:07:01,421 There's a fire sale going on at marijuana dispensaries today. 87 00:07:01,504 --> 00:07:04,966 Strict regulations go into effect tomorrow across the state. 88 00:07:05,049 --> 00:07:08,719 California is requiring shops to sell only marijuana that has been tested 89 00:07:08,803 --> 00:07:12,390 for pesticides, potency, and microbiological contaminate. 90 00:07:12,723 --> 00:07:15,226 That's going to eliminate three quarters of every grower, 91 00:07:15,685 --> 00:07:18,229 which is going to prop up the black market. 92 00:07:18,688 --> 00:07:19,939 Starting July 1st, 93 00:07:20,022 --> 00:07:23,234 all cannabis product packaging has to have this universal symbol, 94 00:07:23,317 --> 00:07:25,528 or else they'll have to dispose of the product. 95 00:07:25,611 --> 00:07:28,322 The new rules regarding labeling, safety packaging, 96 00:07:28,406 --> 00:07:32,452 and chemical testing are part of California's legalization of the industry. 97 00:07:33,828 --> 00:07:36,330 It was easier to be in the black market. You can spray pesticides. 98 00:07:36,414 --> 00:07:37,457 You can do whatever. 99 00:07:38,791 --> 00:07:39,625 People will buy it. 100 00:07:41,210 --> 00:07:42,795 The black market's strong, 101 00:07:42,879 --> 00:07:45,923 and it's crushing the white market right now. 102 00:07:47,341 --> 00:07:50,011 We got other states that don't recognize marijuana, 103 00:07:50,094 --> 00:07:52,722 and so, to transport it out of here 104 00:07:52,805 --> 00:07:55,600 and go to a state that doesn't recognize marijuana 105 00:07:55,683 --> 00:07:59,937 is a pretty convenient thing, as you still have some profit there. 106 00:08:03,316 --> 00:08:04,859 Humboldt County supplies, 107 00:08:04,942 --> 00:08:10,323 as far as I understand it, about 80% of the US black market. 108 00:08:11,407 --> 00:08:15,119 I think counties and state and feds all need to understand better 109 00:08:15,203 --> 00:08:17,747 how to regulate this thing, and make it worth all of our while. 110 00:08:18,372 --> 00:08:20,333 Multi-billion dollar industry. 111 00:08:21,709 --> 00:08:24,170 I feel sorry for those that are coming into compliance. 112 00:08:24,921 --> 00:08:27,757 Marijuana is not as lucrative as it has been in the past. 113 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:29,800 The price per pound is down. 114 00:08:31,511 --> 00:08:34,722 So the smart man, and I'm not saying I agree with him, 115 00:08:35,556 --> 00:08:37,266 the smart man's going to do it illegally. 116 00:08:52,448 --> 00:08:57,036 Before I went to jail, I was already way behind. 117 00:09:03,793 --> 00:09:07,004 We need plants in the ground quick. 118 00:09:07,964 --> 00:09:09,715 But you know, that costs money. 119 00:09:11,467 --> 00:09:13,177 - Hey, what's up, man? - What's up? 120 00:09:14,262 --> 00:09:15,555 Are you guys in town now? 121 00:09:19,183 --> 00:09:23,271 One quick question I want to ask you, how much of that sour diesel do you have? 122 00:09:23,854 --> 00:09:25,481 It's looking like we've got 100. 123 00:09:26,399 --> 00:09:27,692 You have 100 in total? 124 00:09:28,150 --> 00:09:31,070 In total, but they're not cleaned up yet. We're working on it right now. 125 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:35,408 You'll take everything? 126 00:09:38,119 --> 00:09:38,953 All right. 127 00:09:41,622 --> 00:09:45,418 To be an outlaw in Humboldt County, it's never a dull moment. 128 00:09:48,504 --> 00:09:53,342 And when you're dealing with the amount of money that's involved, 129 00:09:55,094 --> 00:09:57,847 you're going to bring out the worst and the best in everybody. 130 00:10:09,275 --> 00:10:15,781 We got into my truck, and drove I guess about ten or 11 miles. 131 00:10:23,539 --> 00:10:29,879 It was in a field of what appeared to be holes dug for pot cultivation. 132 00:10:35,551 --> 00:10:38,846 The hole that I was directed to was back-filled. 133 00:10:40,222 --> 00:10:42,433 The perpetrator then told me... 134 00:10:43,643 --> 00:10:46,979 that's where I would find the person 135 00:10:47,063 --> 00:10:50,483 who had gone missing for nine months, Garret. 136 00:11:11,087 --> 00:11:17,551 There's a certain power that takes over the atmosphere in the presence of death. 137 00:11:22,390 --> 00:11:26,560 You seem to walk slower, think slower, talk slower. 138 00:11:29,313 --> 00:11:30,856 Everything slows down. 139 00:11:38,322 --> 00:11:39,907 It was a shallow grave. 140 00:11:44,412 --> 00:11:47,123 It didn't take a long time. 141 00:11:50,626 --> 00:11:54,714 I came up with remains of Garret. 142 00:12:02,847 --> 00:12:04,849 Although I thought I was ready for it, 143 00:12:06,225 --> 00:12:08,310 it was a difficult task. 144 00:12:12,022 --> 00:12:16,026 Seeing the kid laying there really fucked Neil up, 145 00:12:16,110 --> 00:12:17,653 thinking he could have stopped it. 146 00:12:35,463 --> 00:12:36,839 That's a sad ending, 147 00:12:39,216 --> 00:12:40,509 for anybody. 148 00:12:53,147 --> 00:12:57,568 So the land owner made contact with the sheriff's department and reported... 149 00:12:59,195 --> 00:13:02,323 that there had been a homicide. 150 00:13:15,377 --> 00:13:17,880 Usually, you're only going to have somebody on your farm 151 00:13:17,963 --> 00:13:21,133 if you've been working with them for a long time, and you know them well. 152 00:13:22,635 --> 00:13:24,136 There's the fear of getting ripped off. 153 00:13:24,220 --> 00:13:26,222 There's the fear of being, you know, ratted on. 154 00:13:26,305 --> 00:13:29,725 There's the fear of people you don't know showing up trying to buy weed. 155 00:13:29,809 --> 00:13:33,229 I mean, there's all sorts of complications that can arise. 156 00:13:34,647 --> 00:13:37,900 We avoid all of that by utilizing the hotels. 157 00:13:45,032 --> 00:13:48,035 The way the system works, you're going to have buyers, 158 00:13:48,118 --> 00:13:49,537 usually from out of state. 159 00:13:49,870 --> 00:13:52,039 Um, they'll post up in a room. 160 00:13:52,122 --> 00:13:56,043 They'll have one, maybe two, sometimes even three, four contacts or so 161 00:13:56,126 --> 00:14:00,714 of people that they know that can get them the product they're looking for. 162 00:14:05,386 --> 00:14:09,431 These two. The guy in the blue. See, I think he's an East Coast buyer. 163 00:14:11,433 --> 00:14:13,727 That Chrysler belongs to a friend of mine. 164 00:14:14,186 --> 00:14:17,189 She'll more than likely be showing a pound or two, I imagine. 165 00:14:18,983 --> 00:14:20,234 Take all her bushy. 166 00:14:22,361 --> 00:14:24,697 Those two are tourists. 167 00:14:24,780 --> 00:14:26,699 You can tell by the short shorts. 168 00:14:29,034 --> 00:14:32,830 This hotel especially, this was the central hub of all of the activity. 169 00:14:32,913 --> 00:14:33,998 This was everything. 170 00:14:34,081 --> 00:14:36,500 I mean, four or five, six years ago, 171 00:14:36,584 --> 00:14:41,088 there were millions of dollars sitting behind each one of these doors. 172 00:14:44,967 --> 00:14:46,594 Definitely a buyer. 173 00:14:49,430 --> 00:14:50,681 These two are newbies. 174 00:14:52,224 --> 00:14:55,060 Walking through the middle of the parking lot with black trash bags. 175 00:14:56,812 --> 00:14:57,813 Chuckleheads. 176 00:15:02,568 --> 00:15:05,195 -Hey, what's up, brother? -Yeah, boy, I'm getting in right now. 177 00:15:05,821 --> 00:15:07,364 You need to pick up the trim, right? 178 00:15:07,448 --> 00:15:10,200 -Give me about 10, 15 minutes, okay? -Okay, cool. 179 00:15:10,618 --> 00:15:12,369 No problem, man. I'll see you in a little bit. 180 00:15:15,873 --> 00:15:18,709 When I first moved here, it was really exciting. 181 00:15:19,001 --> 00:15:21,045 I've never seen anything like it, 182 00:15:21,128 --> 00:15:23,756 and I don't think there will be anything like it ever again. 183 00:15:24,214 --> 00:15:25,799 Legalization will see to that. 184 00:15:35,142 --> 00:15:37,645 When I first moved up here, you know, you'd always hear stories 185 00:15:37,728 --> 00:15:41,398 about like, the mountain, you know, taking matters into their own hands. 186 00:15:45,194 --> 00:15:48,447 I never saw it, you know? Until Neil and Scott Johnson 187 00:15:48,530 --> 00:15:51,617 showed me for the first time, like, what it really was. 188 00:15:55,829 --> 00:15:59,875 Neil picked me up the next day. He started telling me what had happened. 189 00:16:00,918 --> 00:16:02,962 And that they ended up driving him to the hospital. 190 00:16:03,045 --> 00:16:04,421 Just dropping him off. 191 00:16:04,755 --> 00:16:07,591 You know, we rolled this guy out, you know? 192 00:16:07,675 --> 00:16:09,510 Forced him out, pretty much. 193 00:16:10,594 --> 00:16:13,097 You know, they never planned on killing him. 194 00:16:13,973 --> 00:16:16,684 If they wanted to handle him, they would have, you know what I mean? 195 00:16:16,767 --> 00:16:18,352 They were considerate enough 196 00:16:18,435 --> 00:16:21,939 to take him to the hospital. I'd have let the bastard bleed. 197 00:16:28,612 --> 00:16:30,072 When I heard what Neil did, 198 00:16:30,155 --> 00:16:33,325 I was proud of him, and I was glad that he did it. 199 00:16:35,661 --> 00:16:39,623 He knew that he did something that was important, 200 00:16:39,707 --> 00:16:41,291 that needed to be done. 201 00:16:43,210 --> 00:16:46,088 He knew that his son would have been proud of him. 202 00:16:48,382 --> 00:16:50,217 Garret's parents needed to know. 203 00:16:50,676 --> 00:16:53,053 They didn't have to wonder where he was anymore. 204 00:16:56,473 --> 00:16:58,058 It was Thanksgiving. 205 00:16:58,934 --> 00:17:01,937 I woke up in the middle of the night, checked my phone, 206 00:17:02,021 --> 00:17:04,440 and had a voicemail. 207 00:17:04,523 --> 00:17:07,568 And I remember 208 00:17:07,651 --> 00:17:09,445 sitting straight up in bed. 209 00:17:10,779 --> 00:17:13,657 "We have Garret's body." 210 00:17:14,074 --> 00:17:15,200 I was blown away. 211 00:17:15,284 --> 00:17:17,327 New developments on a missing persons case 212 00:17:17,411 --> 00:17:19,997 that today turned into a murder investigation. 213 00:17:20,831 --> 00:17:23,375 A body found in rural Humboldt County 214 00:17:23,459 --> 00:17:27,963 was identified as 29-year-old Ocean Beach resident Garret Rodriguez. 215 00:17:30,340 --> 00:17:32,801 There's a saying in criminal law. "No body, no crime." 216 00:17:33,969 --> 00:17:35,721 It's one thing for somebody to say, "Yeah, 217 00:17:35,804 --> 00:17:38,766 a friend of a friend told me he heard about a guy that shot a guy." 218 00:17:39,224 --> 00:17:41,435 But it's a very different thing entirely to say, "Okay, 219 00:17:41,518 --> 00:17:43,937 now we have a body, and it has bullet holes in it." 220 00:17:45,147 --> 00:17:48,942 He was a missing person, and there are so many missing in Humboldt County. 221 00:17:49,860 --> 00:17:52,821 The case was probably moving toward the cold case direction. 222 00:17:54,782 --> 00:17:57,951 Okay, now, we have the sheriff's attention, 223 00:17:58,035 --> 00:18:01,455 and I felt confident that justice would be served. 224 00:18:16,512 --> 00:18:21,892 I was grocery shopping, and Chris called me, 225 00:18:22,518 --> 00:18:24,895 and told me that they had found Garret's body. 226 00:18:29,525 --> 00:18:33,695 We found out that Garret was shot through the mouth, 227 00:18:33,779 --> 00:18:37,282 and it went directly to his spinal cord, and he died instantly... 228 00:18:37,825 --> 00:18:41,370 from what the autopsy showed. 229 00:18:45,582 --> 00:18:49,086 That was somewhat consoling to me, that he didn't suffer a lot. 230 00:18:51,547 --> 00:18:56,260 We had him cremated, and scattered his ashes on the sea. 231 00:19:08,355 --> 00:19:10,899 He... 232 00:19:12,317 --> 00:19:13,652 He was part of me. 233 00:19:13,735 --> 00:19:14,736 I mean... 234 00:19:16,613 --> 00:19:19,658 I think a lot of fathers feel that way about their sons, 235 00:19:20,325 --> 00:19:21,577 that, uh... 236 00:19:22,828 --> 00:19:28,458 Garret and I were so much in love with each other as father and son. 237 00:19:29,543 --> 00:19:32,212 I don't even know how I got through it. 238 00:19:34,673 --> 00:19:36,925 I'll never be over it, but... 239 00:19:38,468 --> 00:19:39,428 um... 240 00:19:46,894 --> 00:19:51,607 I can't imagine families that don't get their loved ones back. 241 00:19:56,111 --> 00:19:57,487 You know? Never. 242 00:19:58,739 --> 00:20:01,033 And there's so many of them there in Humboldt. 243 00:20:08,415 --> 00:20:11,001 When I heard Garret's body had been found, at that point, 244 00:20:11,084 --> 00:20:12,878 I was far from surprised. 245 00:20:15,214 --> 00:20:16,840 I knew, you know, 246 00:20:16,924 --> 00:20:19,509 in my heart of hearts, I knew what happened. 247 00:20:20,427 --> 00:20:25,724 But when I actually found out and heard the crazy story about the Alderpoint 8, 248 00:20:26,558 --> 00:20:27,851 that was shocking. 249 00:20:37,778 --> 00:20:39,863 Eight men, known as the Alderpoint 8, 250 00:20:39,947 --> 00:20:42,699 after the name of their town, formed a posse, 251 00:20:42,950 --> 00:20:45,494 confronted the man they believed to be the suspect, 252 00:20:45,869 --> 00:20:48,247 then forced him to take them to the body. 253 00:20:49,456 --> 00:20:52,292 For local residents, the Alderpoint 8 have become heroes. 254 00:20:52,376 --> 00:20:54,336 We know all of them, and they're all good people. 255 00:20:55,545 --> 00:20:58,298 There was definitely, like, a hype, or... 256 00:20:58,382 --> 00:21:01,802 legend, or a myth built up because of this. 257 00:21:04,429 --> 00:21:07,557 Everybody was like, "Oh, that's so cool..." 258 00:21:09,685 --> 00:21:11,770 You know? I don't think it's cool. 259 00:21:12,437 --> 00:21:14,815 The Alderpoint 8 just perpetuates this whole... 260 00:21:16,858 --> 00:21:19,569 thing of like, outlaw justice and vigilante bullshit. 261 00:21:21,029 --> 00:21:24,199 Neil, he went up there because he thought he was helping. 262 00:21:24,283 --> 00:21:25,909 He thought he was doing the right thing. 263 00:21:27,411 --> 00:21:31,039 And they weren't thinking about the consequences. 264 00:21:34,584 --> 00:21:36,420 But Garret got to go home to his family. 265 00:21:38,755 --> 00:21:41,258 And it brings tears to my eyes. I don't even know the kid. 266 00:21:48,265 --> 00:21:52,102 And then, the cops went after the vigilantes for doing that to him. 267 00:21:58,066 --> 00:22:03,071 Because Neil shot this guy, you know, 268 00:22:03,155 --> 00:22:05,741 the way they got their information or whatever, 269 00:22:06,033 --> 00:22:08,410 he thought he was going back to prison. 270 00:22:09,411 --> 00:22:11,538 Neil wasn't willing to chance that. 271 00:22:12,456 --> 00:22:13,999 It made him leave. 272 00:22:15,542 --> 00:22:18,420 Scott, he felt very aware that the cops could be coming any time. 273 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,340 So Scott and I, we left town. 274 00:22:25,093 --> 00:22:29,348 There's a mythos of these outlaws that are living in the woods. 275 00:22:29,806 --> 00:22:31,433 Totally off the grid. 276 00:22:31,516 --> 00:22:35,687 And now, law enforcement is aware they are on the grid. 277 00:22:38,815 --> 00:22:40,525 You talk about vigilantism. 278 00:22:40,609 --> 00:22:43,028 They're not concerned about the confines of the law. 279 00:22:48,825 --> 00:22:51,078 In this case, the Alderpoint 8 280 00:22:51,161 --> 00:22:56,083 were able to assist in the location of Mr. Rodriguez. 281 00:22:58,585 --> 00:23:01,630 But some of these people were involved in a felonious act. 282 00:23:02,047 --> 00:23:05,384 Law enforcement has a responsibility to make an arrest. 283 00:23:09,429 --> 00:23:16,353 It felt like the police were looking at the group of people there as vigilantes, 284 00:23:16,853 --> 00:23:19,523 and saw me as part of that group. 285 00:23:22,275 --> 00:23:25,028 That might have been my motivation 286 00:23:25,112 --> 00:23:29,282 to distinguish myself from the group, per se. 287 00:23:30,742 --> 00:23:34,079 And you wanted to go and state for the record, 288 00:23:34,162 --> 00:23:35,163 your side of the story? 289 00:23:35,247 --> 00:23:36,206 Yes. 290 00:24:01,690 --> 00:24:04,568 Today, we're going to pack up about 10 to 15 pounds, 291 00:24:04,651 --> 00:24:06,778 and get it ready for transport. 292 00:24:07,571 --> 00:24:09,573 No smell, inconspicuous. 293 00:24:12,909 --> 00:24:16,163 We always put down a sheet right over where we're working. 294 00:24:16,246 --> 00:24:18,331 We don't want to leave any residue on the ground. 295 00:24:19,374 --> 00:24:22,085 The vacuum sealer, the vacuum bags. 296 00:24:22,878 --> 00:24:26,381 Gloves, Clorox disinfecting wipes. 297 00:24:27,716 --> 00:24:30,719 So first thing we do is we dump the contents of the oven bag 298 00:24:30,802 --> 00:24:32,762 into the vacuum sealing bag, 299 00:24:32,846 --> 00:24:34,931 making sure that we don't spill any along the way. 300 00:24:35,932 --> 00:24:38,185 Place the bag inside the sealer. 301 00:24:38,268 --> 00:24:41,354 Make sure the bag doesn't collapse in on itself. 302 00:24:41,605 --> 00:24:43,773 That ensures that you don't crush the product. 303 00:24:46,443 --> 00:24:47,611 Then double bag it. 304 00:24:53,074 --> 00:24:55,702 Afterwards, you use the disinfecting wipes. 305 00:24:55,785 --> 00:24:57,454 You wipe down for any fingerprints, 306 00:24:57,537 --> 00:24:59,998 and any other residue that may be on the bag. 307 00:25:01,583 --> 00:25:04,669 We're going to drive these about ten miles south to the buyer. 308 00:25:05,253 --> 00:25:08,298 Would I rather do it legally? No. 309 00:25:08,381 --> 00:25:11,468 No, I don't think that legalization has had the effect 310 00:25:11,551 --> 00:25:13,512 that everybody expected it to. 311 00:25:15,096 --> 00:25:17,432 You know, it kind of takes the fun out of the whole thing. 312 00:25:42,249 --> 00:25:46,253 We had a message from John Reilly, Senior. 313 00:25:46,336 --> 00:25:47,963 He said that he wanted to give a statement. 314 00:25:50,715 --> 00:25:55,720 I had never seen Mr. Reilly at that point, but the man that comes through the door, 315 00:25:55,804 --> 00:25:57,722 he certainly did not look like a vigilante. 316 00:25:58,723 --> 00:26:01,768 He didn't look like he'd be strong-arming anybody into submission anytime soon. 317 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,480 He seemed very interested in helping. 318 00:26:07,107 --> 00:26:09,859 Okay, John, before we get started here, 319 00:26:09,943 --> 00:26:11,695 you feel comfortable talking to us 320 00:26:11,778 --> 00:26:15,115 and you feel this is your idea as far as recording it? 321 00:26:15,198 --> 00:26:18,994 Yes. My motivation has been pure. 322 00:26:21,162 --> 00:26:24,791 I am no way involved with the crime. 323 00:26:27,544 --> 00:26:28,628 I'm not guilty of anything. 324 00:26:29,087 --> 00:26:32,299 So, why don't you tell me what happened on Thanksgiving evening? 325 00:26:32,674 --> 00:26:36,219 Well, as I said, a group of people passed my cabin. 326 00:26:36,803 --> 00:26:38,221 And I was curious. 327 00:26:38,638 --> 00:26:40,432 His presentation of the story at that point 328 00:26:40,515 --> 00:26:43,643 was not that he had direct involvement in that incident. 329 00:26:43,727 --> 00:26:45,312 It was more as a bystander. 330 00:26:46,187 --> 00:26:48,148 There was a heated argument going on. 331 00:26:48,607 --> 00:26:50,025 Uh, and... 332 00:26:50,108 --> 00:26:54,362 then, more talk and he... 333 00:26:55,071 --> 00:26:59,451 confessed to actually shooting Garret. 334 00:27:02,245 --> 00:27:04,623 Okay, let's stop for a moment. What did he say? 335 00:27:05,248 --> 00:27:08,460 When I was listening to the statement, it was so crazy. 336 00:27:08,543 --> 00:27:11,296 We found the body, and we have a confession. 337 00:27:13,715 --> 00:27:18,678 He said he shot Garret. He wasn't denying it at all. 338 00:27:19,763 --> 00:27:21,973 And finally, he admitted it. 339 00:27:23,224 --> 00:27:25,685 At that point, we knew what had happened to Garret. 340 00:27:25,769 --> 00:27:28,688 But I did not realize what they had experienced and witnessed that night. 341 00:27:29,064 --> 00:27:30,482 A confession had been given. 342 00:27:31,358 --> 00:27:33,276 I heard an admission of murder. 343 00:27:35,487 --> 00:27:37,572 Chris Cook and her associate there, 344 00:27:37,656 --> 00:27:39,199 they did extensive interviewing. 345 00:27:39,658 --> 00:27:41,785 They had a confession. They had a body. 346 00:27:41,868 --> 00:27:44,329 And of course, she was really excited. 347 00:27:45,455 --> 00:27:48,875 And after the Alderpoint 8 found Garret's body, 348 00:27:48,958 --> 00:27:52,962 they dropped the person of interest off at the ready care. 349 00:27:54,464 --> 00:27:56,716 We envisioned, "Okay, we'll be going to court." 350 00:27:58,551 --> 00:28:00,136 "We're going to get this guy." 351 00:28:06,059 --> 00:28:09,270 Today, I spoke with Jennifer Turner, the lead detective 352 00:28:09,354 --> 00:28:12,941 who's handling the Garret Rodriguez homicide investigation. 353 00:28:13,733 --> 00:28:15,527 Are there any persons of interest 354 00:28:15,610 --> 00:28:18,446 or suspects in the homicide of Rodriguez at this time? 355 00:28:19,698 --> 00:28:21,908 We're pursuing leads. 356 00:28:21,991 --> 00:28:26,746 And can you give us any idea of how close you are to making an arrest? 357 00:28:27,747 --> 00:28:29,207 I can't give a timeline, 358 00:28:29,916 --> 00:28:34,713 but I believe that Garret's family will have justice. 359 00:28:36,297 --> 00:28:39,259 The only known interview I know between Humboldt law enforcement 360 00:28:39,342 --> 00:28:42,220 and the fellow that allegedly shot Garret, 361 00:28:42,846 --> 00:28:45,932 uh, was when he himself was injured and in the hospital. 362 00:28:46,850 --> 00:28:49,728 To the best of my knowledge, I didn't understand that questioning 363 00:28:49,811 --> 00:28:51,563 to actually have anything to do with Garret. 364 00:28:51,646 --> 00:28:55,316 It was more surrounding the circumstances where that man became wounded himself. 365 00:28:57,652 --> 00:29:02,073 My understanding is he was released from the hospital after the brief interview. 366 00:29:03,116 --> 00:29:04,284 That he was let go. 367 00:29:08,538 --> 00:29:12,041 The deputy sheriffs, at the time, questioned the subject. 368 00:29:13,126 --> 00:29:14,836 And in a case like this, 369 00:29:14,919 --> 00:29:18,256 if there is not enough probable cause 370 00:29:18,339 --> 00:29:24,637 to link this subject to, let's say, a murder, or to a crime, 371 00:29:24,721 --> 00:29:28,558 that deputies don't have the authority to make an arrest. 372 00:29:30,477 --> 00:29:32,812 You can't base your probable cause on hearsay. 373 00:29:34,063 --> 00:29:40,195 You have to have cold, articulable facts to meet that threshold of probable cause. 374 00:29:41,070 --> 00:29:44,783 My recollection of this case is that they hadn't reached that threshold yet. 375 00:29:55,877 --> 00:29:57,504 Humboldt County Sheriff's Department 376 00:29:57,587 --> 00:30:00,924 said that they were going to find out what really happened. 377 00:30:01,007 --> 00:30:03,384 But it appears to me like 378 00:30:03,468 --> 00:30:06,513 the so-called police agencies... 379 00:30:07,847 --> 00:30:12,769 are like toothless lions. They don't do anything. 380 00:30:14,646 --> 00:30:17,106 There's so many excuses they've made 381 00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:19,108 why there hasn't been an arrest. 382 00:30:19,901 --> 00:30:22,779 "Because there's no witness. It's hearsay." 383 00:30:24,322 --> 00:30:28,618 I think the sheriff's department-- I just didn't think they cared. 384 00:30:29,244 --> 00:30:34,249 And Sheriff Downey didn't seem to make this priority, in my mind. 385 00:30:40,380 --> 00:30:44,509 The last time the alleged killer was seen, so the rumor goes, 386 00:30:45,301 --> 00:30:48,930 they saw a guy that looked just like him, in Ray's parking lot, 387 00:30:49,013 --> 00:30:52,976 and he was hobbling on one foot, they could have sworn that was him. 388 00:30:54,394 --> 00:30:56,104 Nothing ever became of it. 389 00:30:56,938 --> 00:30:57,981 He disappeared. 390 00:30:59,983 --> 00:31:01,234 I don't know where he is. 391 00:31:02,986 --> 00:31:06,823 At that point, we had to pay serious attention to the Alderpoint 8. 392 00:31:13,037 --> 00:31:16,416 The Alderpoint 8. I knew some of the players up there. 393 00:31:16,708 --> 00:31:19,168 I remember thinking, okay, who would that be? 394 00:31:28,678 --> 00:31:32,223 If you had eight people, or more than one 395 00:31:32,307 --> 00:31:36,644 gave consistent accounts of what happened, and what he said, 396 00:31:36,728 --> 00:31:42,901 certainly, it would lend more credibility to the events that night. 397 00:31:43,359 --> 00:31:46,654 Power in numbers, I would think would help the case. 398 00:31:47,739 --> 00:31:50,617 Do you want to tell me who some of those other people are? 399 00:31:51,743 --> 00:31:54,120 Basically, we're isolationists out there. 400 00:31:54,203 --> 00:31:55,246 That's why we're out there. 401 00:31:55,330 --> 00:31:58,082 We suspected for a long time that John Reilly probably knew 402 00:31:58,166 --> 00:31:59,959 a lot more than he was telling us. 403 00:32:00,793 --> 00:32:04,756 Only people on that mountain that night could know information that could help us. 404 00:32:08,134 --> 00:32:10,678 Scott and Neil led the way. 405 00:32:13,056 --> 00:32:14,766 But the Alderpoint 8's actions... 406 00:32:18,478 --> 00:32:21,356 ...you can't measure the effect it's had on this community. 407 00:32:23,524 --> 00:32:25,318 They are growing weed, you know? 408 00:32:25,401 --> 00:32:28,029 The people were doing what they were doing to support their families. 409 00:32:28,112 --> 00:32:30,823 They weren't trying to hurt anybody or trying to steal from you. 410 00:32:30,907 --> 00:32:32,909 It's like the bootleggers back in the day, you know? 411 00:32:32,992 --> 00:32:36,496 They didn't mean any harm, they were just doing what they were doing. 412 00:32:37,580 --> 00:32:42,210 After the Alderpoint 8, there was nothing right that happened. 413 00:32:42,877 --> 00:32:45,838 You think that you're so untouchable, or everything is so strong. 414 00:32:46,589 --> 00:32:48,341 Everybody was an outlaw. 415 00:32:48,424 --> 00:32:50,468 I mean, like, gun blazing. 416 00:32:50,843 --> 00:32:53,763 But you live by the sword, you die by the sword, you know? 417 00:32:56,015 --> 00:32:57,850 You don't realize the ripple effect. 418 00:32:59,852 --> 00:33:01,437 And that's how Matt got to be there. 419 00:33:06,442 --> 00:33:10,071 An inmate at the RJ Donovan Correctional Facility, 420 00:33:10,154 --> 00:33:11,823 San Diego, California. 421 00:33:13,533 --> 00:33:14,450 Hello? 422 00:33:14,534 --> 00:33:16,411 Hey, how you doing, Matt? How are you? 423 00:33:17,370 --> 00:33:18,329 Hanging in there. 424 00:33:20,039 --> 00:33:22,333 Scott Johnson, he was like a dad to me. 425 00:33:23,126 --> 00:33:24,627 I never had a dad in my life, 426 00:33:24,711 --> 00:33:29,716 so having him around to count on and talk to was awesome. 427 00:33:30,925 --> 00:33:34,053 I think it was 2000, the end of 2013, 428 00:33:34,137 --> 00:33:37,056 he asked me if I wanted to come up there and work. 429 00:33:48,818 --> 00:33:52,363 Scott was always helping people. He helped anybody that needed help. 430 00:33:52,447 --> 00:33:55,992 He'd go down south, and he'd come back up with "his orphans," 431 00:33:57,076 --> 00:33:58,995 to let them come up and help work. 432 00:33:59,078 --> 00:34:04,375 Scott was looked on as a sort of godfather. 433 00:34:05,501 --> 00:34:06,711 He had a good soul. 434 00:34:07,045 --> 00:34:08,421 He had a good heart. 435 00:34:10,715 --> 00:34:13,217 I would do absolutely anything for Scott Johnson, 436 00:34:13,301 --> 00:34:15,344 because he would do the same for me. 437 00:34:18,681 --> 00:34:22,060 I think Scott got caught in the middle of a bad situation. 438 00:34:22,727 --> 00:34:27,648 And that's when I decided that I was going to stay there and caretake his property. 439 00:34:28,858 --> 00:34:32,320 Matt Brown said that he would stay, help watch the property while we're gone. 440 00:34:33,488 --> 00:34:36,574 My understanding is that Matt had been in jail numerous times. 441 00:34:37,450 --> 00:34:41,996 He was a skinhead, or Nazi. He has a swastika. 442 00:34:42,622 --> 00:34:45,041 He was, like, some sort of Aryan skinhead. 443 00:34:47,543 --> 00:34:52,340 Scott brought him up there to work for him, for him to help him do a grow. 444 00:34:52,882 --> 00:34:57,136 But he took it as, he was there to enforce things. 445 00:34:58,221 --> 00:34:59,806 To regulate, I guess. 446 00:35:00,306 --> 00:35:02,141 Because that's what he tried to do. 447 00:35:02,892 --> 00:35:04,602 I guess, "regulate" would be to like, 448 00:35:06,104 --> 00:35:08,231 make sure that people are in line, 449 00:35:08,898 --> 00:35:10,233 to not be doing wrong things. 450 00:35:10,316 --> 00:35:12,318 Do you know where that term comes from? 451 00:35:13,444 --> 00:35:15,905 Um... Billy the Kid? 452 00:35:17,115 --> 00:35:19,575 Young Guns? It's the best movie ever. Yeah. 453 00:35:20,743 --> 00:35:22,745 Matt Brown physically attacked 454 00:35:22,829 --> 00:35:25,331 one of the workers that was on the property. 455 00:35:25,790 --> 00:35:27,083 Um, hit him in the face 456 00:35:27,166 --> 00:35:29,460 inside Scott's house. And there was another one. 457 00:35:30,044 --> 00:35:33,214 He shot this guy with a paintball, you know, in the head. 458 00:35:41,806 --> 00:35:44,225 Neil, he was, you know, selling pounds back east. 459 00:35:44,308 --> 00:35:45,768 He was doing his crazy thing. 460 00:35:46,227 --> 00:35:48,146 He came back, and heard about some of this stuff, 461 00:35:48,229 --> 00:35:50,982 and he was like, all right, buddy. Now, you have to answer to me. 462 00:35:51,065 --> 00:35:53,317 Let him try to pick on me, basically. 463 00:35:55,278 --> 00:35:59,157 Neil, he was really hot-headed and very aggressive. 464 00:36:01,450 --> 00:36:03,369 And here comes Neil on a quad. 465 00:36:04,537 --> 00:36:07,665 He's all, "What are you doing, bitch boy? What are you doing up here? 466 00:36:07,748 --> 00:36:10,459 What's up, bitch boy? What are you going to do now?" 467 00:36:10,835 --> 00:36:12,587 It just escalated from there. 468 00:36:12,670 --> 00:36:16,007 Little stupid things became serious things, and... 469 00:36:17,258 --> 00:36:18,676 Neil was just a big guy. 470 00:36:18,759 --> 00:36:21,053 When he was upset, he was upset in a big way. 471 00:36:21,846 --> 00:36:24,640 Scared the shit out of this guy. Kept scaring the shit out of him. 472 00:36:26,475 --> 00:36:29,395 That's when Matt Brown started carrying his shotgun around. 473 00:36:31,355 --> 00:36:34,358 The fear that I had for Neil Decker, 474 00:36:34,442 --> 00:36:36,736 and how much he terrorized me, 475 00:36:36,819 --> 00:36:38,946 and I feared for my life. 476 00:36:39,405 --> 00:36:41,824 That's why I was always carrying a gun. 477 00:36:43,451 --> 00:36:45,286 After the Alderpoint 8, 478 00:36:45,745 --> 00:36:50,917 Neil thought that he was untouchable all the way up until that night. 479 00:37:10,102 --> 00:37:12,271 - Hey, buddy. - What's up, brother? 480 00:37:14,023 --> 00:37:15,316 What you got for me? 481 00:37:15,942 --> 00:37:18,027 This stuff came out of Alderpoint. It's dec'. 482 00:37:18,444 --> 00:37:19,987 Good shit, all right. 483 00:37:20,071 --> 00:37:22,198 Technically I'm an interstate drug trafficker, 484 00:37:22,281 --> 00:37:23,449 which is kind of cool. 485 00:37:25,243 --> 00:37:27,036 This all you got? Just one kind? 486 00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:29,205 Yeah, they're all the same. 487 00:37:29,997 --> 00:37:33,417 You coin the term "drug dealer," but I'm not a bad guy. 488 00:37:33,751 --> 00:37:35,002 I'm not the bad guy. 489 00:37:37,546 --> 00:37:40,091 The difference between an outlaw and a criminal is 490 00:37:40,174 --> 00:37:44,387 I'm not purposely going out to break laws. 491 00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:50,351 I just don't accept certain laws that I don't think are just. 492 00:38:03,489 --> 00:38:06,242 - Yeah, looks like we're good. - Adding up? Cool beans. 493 00:38:06,325 --> 00:38:08,661 Hey, it's always a pleasure, my friend. 494 00:38:08,744 --> 00:38:09,745 Yeah, brother. 495 00:38:11,247 --> 00:38:13,916 I'm growing something that can save lives, 496 00:38:14,959 --> 00:38:18,629 and, you know, fuck me for making money while doing it. 497 00:38:34,687 --> 00:38:37,023 I had had a couple of anonymous tips from people 498 00:38:37,106 --> 00:38:39,608 that said that if they ever came across the alleged killer, 499 00:38:39,692 --> 00:38:40,985 that they would love to kill him. 500 00:38:42,737 --> 00:38:44,739 Neil Decker was one of the few people that came out. 501 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,950 He didn't seem terribly concerned about hiding his identity. 502 00:38:49,076 --> 00:38:54,373 He explicitly stated to me that if he ever came across the alleged killer, 503 00:38:54,457 --> 00:38:57,084 he was going to kill him himself. 504 00:38:57,585 --> 00:38:59,503 It was definitely something that was talked about, 505 00:38:59,587 --> 00:39:03,215 was whether or not we might have played a part in making this happen. 506 00:39:03,758 --> 00:39:06,010 And he could have details about the case. 507 00:39:08,387 --> 00:39:09,430 Neil was a hero. 508 00:39:10,306 --> 00:39:12,224 The AP 8, they did a good thing. 509 00:39:13,184 --> 00:39:15,728 It felt like we were invincible, you know what I mean? 510 00:39:18,356 --> 00:39:21,609 It takes one little coward to like, destroy everything. 511 00:39:26,864 --> 00:39:29,617 I was in Alderpoint. -00. 512 00:39:29,700 --> 00:39:32,828 I was told that Scott wanted to talk to me, 513 00:39:32,912 --> 00:39:34,705 and that I needed to go up to the house. 514 00:39:36,665 --> 00:39:39,752 It wasn't like Scott to have me come up there so late. 515 00:39:40,127 --> 00:39:44,715 I had the shotgun with me, because of the suspicion of the whole situation. 516 00:39:45,966 --> 00:39:47,551 Me and Neil were at Scott's house. 517 00:39:47,843 --> 00:39:49,303 Neil was upstairs. 518 00:39:50,096 --> 00:39:51,138 I was watching TV. 519 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,934 I walked in and proceeded upstairs. 520 00:39:56,602 --> 00:39:58,729 Scott was laying in his bed. 521 00:39:58,813 --> 00:40:01,524 He was just looking for some tools. He figured that I had them. 522 00:40:03,401 --> 00:40:05,945 We had the bedroom, and then an office outside of it. 523 00:40:06,028 --> 00:40:08,614 Neil and I were sitting outside that room, totally eavesdropping. 524 00:40:09,198 --> 00:40:11,534 And Neil heard Matt say something about him. 525 00:40:12,118 --> 00:40:14,662 Neil came busting in the room. 526 00:40:15,454 --> 00:40:18,499 He just told me I needed to keep his name out of my mouth. 527 00:40:19,250 --> 00:40:21,877 He had his hand in the back of his waistband. 528 00:40:23,212 --> 00:40:27,216 That's when I raised the shotgun, and pulled the trigger. 529 00:40:33,806 --> 00:40:36,267 I hear Hannah just screaming. 530 00:40:38,185 --> 00:40:42,690 When I got up there, the whole front of his shirt was filled with blood. 531 00:40:43,607 --> 00:40:47,153 That's when I went out the back slider door, fled the scene. 532 00:40:52,408 --> 00:40:56,787 I told him that I loved him, and he told me that he loved me, too. 533 00:40:56,871 --> 00:40:59,373 And then, he never said another word after that. 534 00:41:03,335 --> 00:41:05,337 There was no coming back from that. 535 00:41:08,048 --> 00:41:10,468 It was very traumatic. 536 00:41:15,514 --> 00:41:16,849 I miss him so much. 537 00:41:16,932 --> 00:41:18,934 Not a day goes by that I don't think about him. 538 00:41:23,022 --> 00:41:26,233 I remember when they were carrying him down the stairs. 539 00:41:29,778 --> 00:41:31,697 And he had a grin on his face. 540 00:41:35,326 --> 00:41:37,077 He was going to see his son. 541 00:41:39,371 --> 00:41:40,498 That's all he wanted. 542 00:41:42,750 --> 00:41:45,044 Neil had died in a horrific incident. 543 00:41:47,004 --> 00:41:50,090 So that was not a happy turning point in Garret's case. 544 00:41:52,384 --> 00:41:54,595 Scott couldn't believe that he was 545 00:41:55,137 --> 00:41:58,557 in the same situation that he had been in before, you know? 546 00:41:58,641 --> 00:42:01,268 That was the second best friend that got killed there. 547 00:42:01,977 --> 00:42:05,648 The second best friend that he felt responsible for getting killed. 548 00:42:07,149 --> 00:42:09,318 Scott was not going to be the same after that. 549 00:42:11,904 --> 00:42:14,615 Scott created, like, this humongous empire, 550 00:42:14,698 --> 00:42:17,743 and then it's like, everything just starts falling apart. 551 00:42:18,786 --> 00:42:20,871 That was his best friend for, like, 30 years. 552 00:42:20,955 --> 00:42:22,248 Scott wanted justice. 553 00:42:23,290 --> 00:42:26,126 Scott's motto was "You do what's right, not what's easy." 554 00:42:28,671 --> 00:42:31,173 And he lived and died that. 46447

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