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The first thing I ever heard about
Murder Mountain was...
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back in the '70s,
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Scott Johnson...
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had a couple of trimmers
working for him on his property.
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Scott was one of the originals
on the mountain, you know?
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I think Scott's intentions,
when he first started off up here
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was to kind of create like a community
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where they could all
take care of each other.
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Scott and his best friend, Clark,
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were up there growing weed,
and Scott found some trimmers,
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and he brought them up to his house.
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The couple,
Michael Bear Carson and his wife, Suzan,
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were traveling through Humboldt County.
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Unbeknownst to Scott
and everybody else on the property,
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and throughout Rancho,
in their spare time,
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those two trimmers would sneak off...
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and commit horrible murders.
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They would chop bodies up,
and hide them throughout Scott's property.
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They were on this holy mission, you know?
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It was like a mission from God.
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They were killing people
that they thought were sinners,
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or like, evil, you know? Like witches.
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One victim was Clark Stephens,
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a young man who moved to Humboldt County
to grow marijuana in the early '80s.
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Clark was his best friend.
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He died because Scott
brought these people up there, you know?
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And he felt responsible for him.
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The legend of Murder Mountain
took hold at that point, like...
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everything's just
a Murder Mountain thing now.
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The area is referred
to as Murder Mountain.
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- Known as Murder Mountain.
- Murder Mountain.
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...with a history of violence
and missing people.
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There's been
a lot of murders everywhere,
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but for some reason, it stuck here.
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The name has stuck here...
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which is dumb.
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They should call it
Widow Mountain.
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At this point,
we did everything we possibly could do
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to try to find what happened to Garret.
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The sheriff's department
wasn't going to do anything.
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I was really frustrated.
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I felt helpless.
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If the law enforcement agencies
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weren't going to do anything about this...
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Well...
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Who do I turn to now, you know?
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I don't want anybody to get
a misconception about
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my intentions or my actions that night.
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I don't consider myself a vigilante.
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But we were trying to find Garret.
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Thanksgiving...
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a plethora of...
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vehicles went past my place.
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So I followed them up.
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There were about eight men
dressed in camouflage.
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You know the people
who were there that night?
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Everybody had masks on.
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Did you have a mask on?
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Yes.
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I think the only people that
didn't wear masks was Scott...
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Neil, Bob.
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They weren't having it
They didn't want this guy here.
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There was arguing
going back and forth.
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This guy, he was being questioned...
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as to his involvement in Garret's murder.
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I said, "Everybody in the neighborhood
knows that you did it.
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Everybody knows you did it.
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Where's the body?"
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After Neil shot him...
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...and then, Bob pistol-whipped him,
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he probably felt like his life
was in danger at that point.
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He said that he would take him
to where the body was buried.
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So they got up, loaded him up.
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Drove off.
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And I didn't see Neil
until the next morning.
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It was crazy, man, because that was like
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a real taste of
the old Western outlaw shit.
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You know you're living on
a place called Murder Mountain,
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and then, to see it happening, you know?
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There was, like, three murders
the first three years I lived up here.
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I think that's why weed's been legalized.
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They're trying to make it
a safe place to live, I guess.
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The state's coming in now,
with regs.
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It has to be clean.
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That's not easy to do.
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There's a fire sale going on
at marijuana dispensaries today.
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Strict regulations go into effect tomorrow
across the state.
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California is requiring shops to sell
only marijuana that has been tested
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for pesticides, potency,
and microbiological contaminate.
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That's going to eliminate
three quarters of every grower,
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which is going to prop up
the black market.
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Starting July 1st,
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all cannabis product packaging
has to have this universal symbol,
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or else they'll have to
dispose of the product.
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The new rules regarding labeling,
safety packaging,
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and chemical testing are part of
California's legalization of the industry.
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It was easier to be in the black market.
You can spray pesticides.
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You can do whatever.
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People will buy it.
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The black market's strong,
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and it's crushing
the white market right now.
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We got other states that
don't recognize marijuana,
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and so, to transport it out of here
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and go to a state that
doesn't recognize marijuana
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is a pretty convenient thing,
as you still have some profit there.
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Humboldt County supplies,
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as far as I understand it,
about 80% of the US black market.
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I think counties and state and feds
all need to understand better
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how to regulate this thing,
and make it worth all of our while.
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Multi-billion dollar industry.
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I feel sorry for those
that are coming into compliance.
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Marijuana is not as lucrative
as it has been in the past.
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The price per pound is down.
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So the smart man,
and I'm not saying I agree with him,
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the smart man's going to do it illegally.
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Before I went to jail,
I was already way behind.
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We need plants in the ground quick.
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But you know, that costs money.
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- Hey, what's up, man?
- What's up?
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Are you guys in town now?
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One quick question I want to ask you,
how much of that sour diesel do you have?
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It's looking like we've got 100.
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You have 100 in total?
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In total, but they're not cleaned up yet.
We're working on it right now.
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You'll take everything?
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All right.
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To be an outlaw in Humboldt County,
it's never a dull moment.
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And when you're dealing with
the amount of money that's involved,
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you're going to bring out the worst
and the best in everybody.
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We got into my truck, and drove
I guess about ten or 11 miles.
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It was in a field of what appeared to be
holes dug for pot cultivation.
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The hole that I was directed to
was back-filled.
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The perpetrator then told me...
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that's where I would find the person
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who had gone missing
for nine months, Garret.
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There's a certain power that takes over
the atmosphere in the presence of death.
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You seem to walk slower,
think slower, talk slower.
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Everything slows down.
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It was a shallow grave.
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It didn't take a long time.
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I came up with remains of Garret.
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Although I thought I was ready for it,
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it was a difficult task.
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Seeing the kid laying there
really fucked Neil up,
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thinking he could have stopped it.
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That's a sad ending,
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for anybody.
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So the land owner made contact with
the sheriff's department and reported...
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that there had been a homicide.
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Usually, you're only going
to have somebody on your farm
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if you've been working with them
for a long time, and you know them well.
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There's the fear of getting ripped off.
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There's the fear of being,
you know, ratted on.
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There's the fear of people you don't know
showing up trying to buy weed.
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I mean, there's all sorts of complications
that can arise.
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We avoid all of that
by utilizing the hotels.
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The way the system works,
you're going to have buyers,
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usually from out of state.
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Um, they'll post up in a room.
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They'll have one, maybe two,
sometimes even three, four contacts or so
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of people that they know that can get them
the product they're looking for.
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These two. The guy in the blue.
See, I think he's an East Coast buyer.
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That Chrysler belongs to a friend of mine.
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She'll more than likely
be showing a pound or two, I imagine.
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Take all her bushy.
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Those two are tourists.
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You can tell by the short shorts.
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This hotel especially, this was
the central hub of all of the activity.
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This was everything.
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I mean, four or five, six years ago,
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there were millions of dollars
sitting behind each one of these doors.
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Definitely a buyer.
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These two are newbies.
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Walking through the middle of
the parking lot with black trash bags.
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Chuckleheads.
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-Hey, what's up, brother?
-Yeah, boy, I'm getting in right now.
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You need to pick up the trim, right?
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-Give me about 10, 15 minutes, okay?
-Okay, cool.
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No problem, man.
I'll see you in a little bit.
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When I first moved here,
it was really exciting.
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I've never seen anything like it,
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and I don't think there will be anything
like it ever again.
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Legalization will see to that.
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When I first moved up here,
you know, you'd always hear stories
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about like, the mountain, you know,
taking matters into their own hands.
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I never saw it, you know?
Until Neil and Scott Johnson
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showed me for the first time,
like, what it really was.
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Neil picked me up the next day.
He started telling me what had happened.
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And that they ended up
driving him to the hospital.
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Just dropping him off.
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You know, we rolled this guy out,
you know?
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Forced him out, pretty much.
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You know, they never
planned on killing him.
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If they wanted to handle him, they
would have, you know what I mean?
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They were considerate enough
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to take him to the hospital.
I'd have let the bastard bleed.
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When I heard what Neil did,
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I was proud of him,
and I was glad that he did it.
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He knew that he did something
that was important,
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that needed to be done.
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He knew that his son
would have been proud of him.
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Garret's parents needed to know.
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They didn't have to wonder
where he was anymore.
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It was Thanksgiving.
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I woke up in the middle of the night,
checked my phone,
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and had a voicemail.
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And I remember
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sitting straight up in bed.
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"We have Garret's body."
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I was blown away.
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New developments
on a missing persons case
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that today turned into
a murder investigation.
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A body found in rural Humboldt County
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was identified as 29-year-old
Ocean Beach resident Garret Rodriguez.
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There's a saying in criminal law.
"No body, no crime."
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It's one thing for somebody to say, "Yeah,
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a friend of a friend told me
he heard about a guy that shot a guy."
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But it's a very different thing entirely
to say, "Okay,
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now we have a body,
and it has bullet holes in it."
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He was a missing person, and there are
so many missing in Humboldt County.
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The case was probably moving
toward the cold case direction.
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Okay, now, we have
the sheriff's attention,
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and I felt confident that
justice would be served.
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I was grocery shopping,
and Chris called me,
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and told me that
they had found Garret's body.
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We found out that Garret
was shot through the mouth,
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and it went directly to his spinal cord,
and he died instantly...
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from what the autopsy showed.
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That was somewhat consoling to me,
that he didn't suffer a lot.
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We had him cremated,
and scattered his ashes on the sea.
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He...
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He was part of me.
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I mean...
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I think a lot of fathers
feel that way about their sons,
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that, uh...
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Garret and I were so much in love
with each other as father and son.
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I don't even know how I got through it.
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I'll never be over it, but...
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um...
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I can't imagine families that
don't get their loved ones back.
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You know? Never.
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And there's so many of them
there in Humboldt.
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When I heard Garret's body
had been found, at that point,
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I was far from surprised.
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I knew, you know,
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in my heart of hearts,
I knew what happened.
247
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But when I actually found out and heard
the crazy story about the Alderpoint 8,
248
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that was shocking.
249
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Eight men,
known as the Alderpoint 8,
250
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after the name of their town,
formed a posse,
251
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confronted the man
they believed to be the suspect,
252
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then forced him to take them to the body.
253
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For local residents,
the Alderpoint 8 have become heroes.
254
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We know all of them,
and they're all good people.
255
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There was definitely, like, a hype, or...
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legend, or a myth built up
because of this.
257
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Everybody was like,
"Oh, that's so cool..."
258
00:21:09,685 --> 00:21:11,770
You know? I don't think it's cool.
259
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The Alderpoint 8
just perpetuates this whole...
260
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thing of like, outlaw justice
and vigilante bullshit.
261
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Neil, he went up there
because he thought he was helping.
262
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He thought he was doing the right thing.
263
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And they weren't thinking
about the consequences.
264
00:21:34,584 --> 00:21:36,420
But Garret got to go home to his family.
265
00:21:38,755 --> 00:21:41,258
And it brings tears to my eyes.
I don't even know the kid.
266
00:21:48,265 --> 00:21:52,102
And then, the cops went after
the vigilantes for doing that to him.
267
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Because Neil shot this guy, you know,
268
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the way they got their information
or whatever,
269
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he thought he was going back to prison.
270
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Neil wasn't willing to chance that.
271
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It made him leave.
272
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Scott, he felt very aware that
the cops could be coming any time.
273
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So Scott and I, we left town.
274
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There's a mythos of these outlaws
that are living in the woods.
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Totally off the grid.
276
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And now, law enforcement
is aware they are on the grid.
277
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You talk about vigilantism.
278
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They're not concerned about
the confines of the law.
279
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In this case, the Alderpoint 8
280
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were able to assist in
the location of Mr. Rodriguez.
281
00:22:58,585 --> 00:23:01,630
But some of these people
were involved in a felonious act.
282
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Law enforcement has a responsibility
to make an arrest.
283
00:23:09,429 --> 00:23:16,353
It felt like the police were looking at
the group of people there as vigilantes,
284
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and saw me as part of that group.
285
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That might have been my motivation
286
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to distinguish myself
from the group, per se.
287
00:23:30,742 --> 00:23:34,079
And you wanted to go
and state for the record,
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your side of the story?
289
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Yes.
290
00:24:01,690 --> 00:24:04,568
Today, we're going to pack up
about 10 to 15 pounds,
291
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and get it ready for transport.
292
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No smell, inconspicuous.
293
00:24:12,909 --> 00:24:16,163
We always put down a sheet
right over where we're working.
294
00:24:16,246 --> 00:24:18,331
We don't want to leave
any residue on the ground.
295
00:24:19,374 --> 00:24:22,085
The vacuum sealer, the vacuum bags.
296
00:24:22,878 --> 00:24:26,381
Gloves, Clorox disinfecting wipes.
297
00:24:27,716 --> 00:24:30,719
So first thing we do is
we dump the contents of the oven bag
298
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into the vacuum sealing bag,
299
00:24:32,846 --> 00:24:34,931
making sure that we don't spill any
along the way.
300
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Place the bag inside the sealer.
301
00:24:38,268 --> 00:24:41,354
Make sure the bag
doesn't collapse in on itself.
302
00:24:41,605 --> 00:24:43,773
That ensures that you
don't crush the product.
303
00:24:46,443 --> 00:24:47,611
Then double bag it.
304
00:24:53,074 --> 00:24:55,702
Afterwards,
you use the disinfecting wipes.
305
00:24:55,785 --> 00:24:57,454
You wipe down for any fingerprints,
306
00:24:57,537 --> 00:24:59,998
and any other residue
that may be on the bag.
307
00:25:01,583 --> 00:25:04,669
We're going to drive these
about ten miles south to the buyer.
308
00:25:05,253 --> 00:25:08,298
Would I rather do it legally? No.
309
00:25:08,381 --> 00:25:11,468
No, I don't think that legalization
has had the effect
310
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that everybody expected it to.
311
00:25:15,096 --> 00:25:17,432
You know, it kind of takes the fun
out of the whole thing.
312
00:25:42,249 --> 00:25:46,253
We had a message from John Reilly, Senior.
313
00:25:46,336 --> 00:25:47,963
He said that he wanted
to give a statement.
314
00:25:50,715 --> 00:25:55,720
I had never seen Mr. Reilly at that point,
but the man that comes through the door,
315
00:25:55,804 --> 00:25:57,722
he certainly did not
look like a vigilante.
316
00:25:58,723 --> 00:26:01,768
He didn't look like he'd be strong-arming
anybody into submission anytime soon.
317
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,480
He seemed very interested in helping.
318
00:26:07,107 --> 00:26:09,859
Okay, John, before we get started here,
319
00:26:09,943 --> 00:26:11,695
you feel comfortable talking to us
320
00:26:11,778 --> 00:26:15,115
and you feel this is your idea
as far as recording it?
321
00:26:15,198 --> 00:26:18,994
Yes. My motivation has been pure.
322
00:26:21,162 --> 00:26:24,791
I am no way involved with the crime.
323
00:26:27,544 --> 00:26:28,628
I'm not guilty of anything.
324
00:26:29,087 --> 00:26:32,299
So, why don't you tell me
what happened on Thanksgiving evening?
325
00:26:32,674 --> 00:26:36,219
Well, as I said,
a group of people passed my cabin.
326
00:26:36,803 --> 00:26:38,221
And I was curious.
327
00:26:38,638 --> 00:26:40,432
His presentation of the story
at that point
328
00:26:40,515 --> 00:26:43,643
was not that he had
direct involvement in that incident.
329
00:26:43,727 --> 00:26:45,312
It was more as a bystander.
330
00:26:46,187 --> 00:26:48,148
There was a heated argument going on.
331
00:26:48,607 --> 00:26:50,025
Uh, and...
332
00:26:50,108 --> 00:26:54,362
then, more talk and he...
333
00:26:55,071 --> 00:26:59,451
confessed to actually shooting Garret.
334
00:27:02,245 --> 00:27:04,623
Okay, let's stop for a moment.
What did he say?
335
00:27:05,248 --> 00:27:08,460
When I was listening to the statement,
it was so crazy.
336
00:27:08,543 --> 00:27:11,296
We found the body,
and we have a confession.
337
00:27:13,715 --> 00:27:18,678
He said he shot Garret.
He wasn't denying it at all.
338
00:27:19,763 --> 00:27:21,973
And finally, he admitted it.
339
00:27:23,224 --> 00:27:25,685
At that point, we knew
what had happened to Garret.
340
00:27:25,769 --> 00:27:28,688
But I did not realize what they had
experienced and witnessed that night.
341
00:27:29,064 --> 00:27:30,482
A confession had been given.
342
00:27:31,358 --> 00:27:33,276
I heard an admission of murder.
343
00:27:35,487 --> 00:27:37,572
Chris Cook
and her associate there,
344
00:27:37,656 --> 00:27:39,199
they did extensive interviewing.
345
00:27:39,658 --> 00:27:41,785
They had a confession. They had a body.
346
00:27:41,868 --> 00:27:44,329
And of course, she was really excited.
347
00:27:45,455 --> 00:27:48,875
And after the Alderpoint 8
found Garret's body,
348
00:27:48,958 --> 00:27:52,962
they dropped the person of interest off
at the ready care.
349
00:27:54,464 --> 00:27:56,716
We envisioned, "Okay,
we'll be going to court."
350
00:27:58,551 --> 00:28:00,136
"We're going to get this guy."
351
00:28:06,059 --> 00:28:09,270
Today, I spoke
with Jennifer Turner, the lead detective
352
00:28:09,354 --> 00:28:12,941
who's handling the Garret Rodriguez
homicide investigation.
353
00:28:13,733 --> 00:28:15,527
Are there any persons of interest
354
00:28:15,610 --> 00:28:18,446
or suspects in the homicide of
Rodriguez at this time?
355
00:28:19,698 --> 00:28:21,908
We're pursuing leads.
356
00:28:21,991 --> 00:28:26,746
And can you give us any idea of
how close you are to making an arrest?
357
00:28:27,747 --> 00:28:29,207
I can't give a timeline,
358
00:28:29,916 --> 00:28:34,713
but I believe that
Garret's family will have justice.
359
00:28:36,297 --> 00:28:39,259
The only known interview
I know between Humboldt law enforcement
360
00:28:39,342 --> 00:28:42,220
and the fellow that allegedly shot Garret,
361
00:28:42,846 --> 00:28:45,932
uh, was when he himself was injured
and in the hospital.
362
00:28:46,850 --> 00:28:49,728
To the best of my knowledge,
I didn't understand that questioning
363
00:28:49,811 --> 00:28:51,563
to actually have anything
to do with Garret.
364
00:28:51,646 --> 00:28:55,316
It was more surrounding the circumstances
where that man became wounded himself.
365
00:28:57,652 --> 00:29:02,073
My understanding is he was released from
the hospital after the brief interview.
366
00:29:03,116 --> 00:29:04,284
That he was let go.
367
00:29:08,538 --> 00:29:12,041
The deputy sheriffs, at the time,
questioned the subject.
368
00:29:13,126 --> 00:29:14,836
And in a case like this,
369
00:29:14,919 --> 00:29:18,256
if there is not enough probable cause
370
00:29:18,339 --> 00:29:24,637
to link this subject to, let's say,
a murder, or to a crime,
371
00:29:24,721 --> 00:29:28,558
that deputies don't have the authority
to make an arrest.
372
00:29:30,477 --> 00:29:32,812
You can't base your
probable cause on hearsay.
373
00:29:34,063 --> 00:29:40,195
You have to have cold, articulable facts
to meet that threshold of probable cause.
374
00:29:41,070 --> 00:29:44,783
My recollection of this case is that
they hadn't reached that threshold yet.
375
00:29:55,877 --> 00:29:57,504
Humboldt County
Sheriff's Department
376
00:29:57,587 --> 00:30:00,924
said that they were going to find out
what really happened.
377
00:30:01,007 --> 00:30:03,384
But it appears to me like
378
00:30:03,468 --> 00:30:06,513
the so-called police agencies...
379
00:30:07,847 --> 00:30:12,769
are like toothless lions.
They don't do anything.
380
00:30:14,646 --> 00:30:17,106
There's so many excuses they've made
381
00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:19,108
why there hasn't been an arrest.
382
00:30:19,901 --> 00:30:22,779
"Because there's no witness.
It's hearsay."
383
00:30:24,322 --> 00:30:28,618
I think the sheriff's department--
I just didn't think they cared.
384
00:30:29,244 --> 00:30:34,249
And Sheriff Downey didn't seem
to make this priority, in my mind.
385
00:30:40,380 --> 00:30:44,509
The last time the alleged killer was seen,
so the rumor goes,
386
00:30:45,301 --> 00:30:48,930
they saw a guy that looked just like him,
in Ray's parking lot,
387
00:30:49,013 --> 00:30:52,976
and he was hobbling on one foot,
they could have sworn that was him.
388
00:30:54,394 --> 00:30:56,104
Nothing ever became of it.
389
00:30:56,938 --> 00:30:57,981
He disappeared.
390
00:30:59,983 --> 00:31:01,234
I don't know where he is.
391
00:31:02,986 --> 00:31:06,823
At that point, we had to pay
serious attention to the Alderpoint 8.
392
00:31:13,037 --> 00:31:16,416
The Alderpoint 8.
I knew some of the players up there.
393
00:31:16,708 --> 00:31:19,168
I remember thinking,
okay, who would that be?
394
00:31:28,678 --> 00:31:32,223
If you had eight people, or more than one
395
00:31:32,307 --> 00:31:36,644
gave consistent accounts of what happened,
and what he said,
396
00:31:36,728 --> 00:31:42,901
certainly, it would lend more credibility
to the events that night.
397
00:31:43,359 --> 00:31:46,654
Power in numbers,
I would think would help the case.
398
00:31:47,739 --> 00:31:50,617
Do you want to tell me who
some of those other people are?
399
00:31:51,743 --> 00:31:54,120
Basically,
we're isolationists out there.
400
00:31:54,203 --> 00:31:55,246
That's why we're out there.
401
00:31:55,330 --> 00:31:58,082
We suspected for a long time
that John Reilly probably knew
402
00:31:58,166 --> 00:31:59,959
a lot more than he was telling us.
403
00:32:00,793 --> 00:32:04,756
Only people on that mountain that night
could know information that could help us.
404
00:32:08,134 --> 00:32:10,678
Scott and Neil led the way.
405
00:32:13,056 --> 00:32:14,766
But the Alderpoint 8's actions...
406
00:32:18,478 --> 00:32:21,356
...you can't measure the effect
it's had on this community.
407
00:32:23,524 --> 00:32:25,318
They are growing weed, you know?
408
00:32:25,401 --> 00:32:28,029
The people were doing what
they were doing to support their families.
409
00:32:28,112 --> 00:32:30,823
They weren't trying to hurt anybody
or trying to steal from you.
410
00:32:30,907 --> 00:32:32,909
It's like the bootleggers
back in the day, you know?
411
00:32:32,992 --> 00:32:36,496
They didn't mean any harm,
they were just doing what they were doing.
412
00:32:37,580 --> 00:32:42,210
After the Alderpoint 8,
there was nothing right that happened.
413
00:32:42,877 --> 00:32:45,838
You think that you're so untouchable,
or everything is so strong.
414
00:32:46,589 --> 00:32:48,341
Everybody was an outlaw.
415
00:32:48,424 --> 00:32:50,468
I mean, like, gun blazing.
416
00:32:50,843 --> 00:32:53,763
But you live by the sword,
you die by the sword, you know?
417
00:32:56,015 --> 00:32:57,850
You don't realize the ripple effect.
418
00:32:59,852 --> 00:33:01,437
And that's how Matt got to be there.
419
00:33:06,442 --> 00:33:10,071
An inmate at
the RJ Donovan Correctional Facility,
420
00:33:10,154 --> 00:33:11,823
San Diego, California.
421
00:33:13,533 --> 00:33:14,450
Hello?
422
00:33:14,534 --> 00:33:16,411
Hey, how you doing, Matt? How are you?
423
00:33:17,370 --> 00:33:18,329
Hanging in there.
424
00:33:20,039 --> 00:33:22,333
Scott Johnson, he was like a dad to me.
425
00:33:23,126 --> 00:33:24,627
I never had a dad in my life,
426
00:33:24,711 --> 00:33:29,716
so having him around to count on
and talk to was awesome.
427
00:33:30,925 --> 00:33:34,053
I think it was 2000, the end of 2013,
428
00:33:34,137 --> 00:33:37,056
he asked me if I wanted
to come up there and work.
429
00:33:48,818 --> 00:33:52,363
Scott was always helping people.
He helped anybody that needed help.
430
00:33:52,447 --> 00:33:55,992
He'd go down south,
and he'd come back up with "his orphans,"
431
00:33:57,076 --> 00:33:58,995
to let them come up and help work.
432
00:33:59,078 --> 00:34:04,375
Scott was looked on
as a sort of godfather.
433
00:34:05,501 --> 00:34:06,711
He had a good soul.
434
00:34:07,045 --> 00:34:08,421
He had a good heart.
435
00:34:10,715 --> 00:34:13,217
I would do absolutely anything
for Scott Johnson,
436
00:34:13,301 --> 00:34:15,344
because he would do the same for me.
437
00:34:18,681 --> 00:34:22,060
I think Scott got caught in
the middle of a bad situation.
438
00:34:22,727 --> 00:34:27,648
And that's when I decided that I was going
to stay there and caretake his property.
439
00:34:28,858 --> 00:34:32,320
Matt Brown said that he would stay,
help watch the property while we're gone.
440
00:34:33,488 --> 00:34:36,574
My understanding is that Matt
had been in jail numerous times.
441
00:34:37,450 --> 00:34:41,996
He was a skinhead, or Nazi.
He has a swastika.
442
00:34:42,622 --> 00:34:45,041
He was, like, some sort of Aryan skinhead.
443
00:34:47,543 --> 00:34:52,340
Scott brought him up there to work
for him, for him to help him do a grow.
444
00:34:52,882 --> 00:34:57,136
But he took it as,
he was there to enforce things.
445
00:34:58,221 --> 00:34:59,806
To regulate, I guess.
446
00:35:00,306 --> 00:35:02,141
Because that's what he tried to do.
447
00:35:02,892 --> 00:35:04,602
I guess, "regulate" would be to like,
448
00:35:06,104 --> 00:35:08,231
make sure that people are in line,
449
00:35:08,898 --> 00:35:10,233
to not be doing wrong things.
450
00:35:10,316 --> 00:35:12,318
Do you know where that term comes from?
451
00:35:13,444 --> 00:35:15,905
Um... Billy the Kid?
452
00:35:17,115 --> 00:35:19,575
Young Guns?
It's the best movie ever. Yeah.
453
00:35:20,743 --> 00:35:22,745
Matt Brown physically attacked
454
00:35:22,829 --> 00:35:25,331
one of the workers
that was on the property.
455
00:35:25,790 --> 00:35:27,083
Um, hit him in the face
456
00:35:27,166 --> 00:35:29,460
inside Scott's house.
And there was another one.
457
00:35:30,044 --> 00:35:33,214
He shot this guy with a paintball,
you know, in the head.
458
00:35:41,806 --> 00:35:44,225
Neil, he was, you know,
selling pounds back east.
459
00:35:44,308 --> 00:35:45,768
He was doing his crazy thing.
460
00:35:46,227 --> 00:35:48,146
He came back,
and heard about some of this stuff,
461
00:35:48,229 --> 00:35:50,982
and he was like, all right, buddy.
Now, you have to answer to me.
462
00:35:51,065 --> 00:35:53,317
Let him try to pick on me, basically.
463
00:35:55,278 --> 00:35:59,157
Neil, he was
really hot-headed and very aggressive.
464
00:36:01,450 --> 00:36:03,369
And here comes Neil on a quad.
465
00:36:04,537 --> 00:36:07,665
He's all, "What are you doing, bitch boy?
What are you doing up here?
466
00:36:07,748 --> 00:36:10,459
What's up, bitch boy?
What are you going to do now?"
467
00:36:10,835 --> 00:36:12,587
It just escalated from there.
468
00:36:12,670 --> 00:36:16,007
Little stupid things
became serious things, and...
469
00:36:17,258 --> 00:36:18,676
Neil was just a big guy.
470
00:36:18,759 --> 00:36:21,053
When he was upset,
he was upset in a big way.
471
00:36:21,846 --> 00:36:24,640
Scared the shit out of this guy.
Kept scaring the shit out of him.
472
00:36:26,475 --> 00:36:29,395
That's when Matt Brown
started carrying his shotgun around.
473
00:36:31,355 --> 00:36:34,358
The fear that I had
for Neil Decker,
474
00:36:34,442 --> 00:36:36,736
and how much he terrorized me,
475
00:36:36,819 --> 00:36:38,946
and I feared for my life.
476
00:36:39,405 --> 00:36:41,824
That's why I was always carrying a gun.
477
00:36:43,451 --> 00:36:45,286
After the Alderpoint 8,
478
00:36:45,745 --> 00:36:50,917
Neil thought that he was untouchable
all the way up until that night.
479
00:37:10,102 --> 00:37:12,271
- Hey, buddy.
- What's up, brother?
480
00:37:14,023 --> 00:37:15,316
What you got for me?
481
00:37:15,942 --> 00:37:18,027
This stuff
came out of Alderpoint. It's dec'.
482
00:37:18,444 --> 00:37:19,987
Good shit, all right.
483
00:37:20,071 --> 00:37:22,198
Technically I'm an interstate
drug trafficker,
484
00:37:22,281 --> 00:37:23,449
which is kind of cool.
485
00:37:25,243 --> 00:37:27,036
This all you got? Just one kind?
486
00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:29,205
Yeah, they're all the same.
487
00:37:29,997 --> 00:37:33,417
You coin the term "drug dealer,"
but I'm not a bad guy.
488
00:37:33,751 --> 00:37:35,002
I'm not the bad guy.
489
00:37:37,546 --> 00:37:40,091
The difference between an outlaw
and a criminal is
490
00:37:40,174 --> 00:37:44,387
I'm not purposely going out to break laws.
491
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:50,351
I just don't accept certain laws
that I don't think are just.
492
00:38:03,489 --> 00:38:06,242
- Yeah, looks like we're good.
- Adding up? Cool beans.
493
00:38:06,325 --> 00:38:08,661
Hey, it's always a pleasure, my friend.
494
00:38:08,744 --> 00:38:09,745
Yeah, brother.
495
00:38:11,247 --> 00:38:13,916
I'm growing something that can save lives,
496
00:38:14,959 --> 00:38:18,629
and, you know, fuck me
for making money while doing it.
497
00:38:34,687 --> 00:38:37,023
I had had
a couple of anonymous tips from people
498
00:38:37,106 --> 00:38:39,608
that said that if they ever came across
the alleged killer,
499
00:38:39,692 --> 00:38:40,985
that they would love to kill him.
500
00:38:42,737 --> 00:38:44,739
Neil Decker was one of
the few people that came out.
501
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,950
He didn't seem terribly concerned
about hiding his identity.
502
00:38:49,076 --> 00:38:54,373
He explicitly stated to me that if he
ever came across the alleged killer,
503
00:38:54,457 --> 00:38:57,084
he was going to kill him himself.
504
00:38:57,585 --> 00:38:59,503
It was definitely something
that was talked about,
505
00:38:59,587 --> 00:39:03,215
was whether or not we might have
played a part in making this happen.
506
00:39:03,758 --> 00:39:06,010
And he could have details about the case.
507
00:39:08,387 --> 00:39:09,430
Neil was a hero.
508
00:39:10,306 --> 00:39:12,224
The AP 8, they did a good thing.
509
00:39:13,184 --> 00:39:15,728
It felt like we were invincible,
you know what I mean?
510
00:39:18,356 --> 00:39:21,609
It takes one little coward
to like, destroy everything.
511
00:39:26,864 --> 00:39:29,617
I was in Alderpoint. -00.
512
00:39:29,700 --> 00:39:32,828
I was told that Scott
wanted to talk to me,
513
00:39:32,912 --> 00:39:34,705
and that I needed to go up to the house.
514
00:39:36,665 --> 00:39:39,752
It wasn't like Scott
to have me come up there so late.
515
00:39:40,127 --> 00:39:44,715
I had the shotgun with me, because of
the suspicion of the whole situation.
516
00:39:45,966 --> 00:39:47,551
Me and Neil were at Scott's house.
517
00:39:47,843 --> 00:39:49,303
Neil was upstairs.
518
00:39:50,096 --> 00:39:51,138
I was watching TV.
519
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,934
I walked in and proceeded upstairs.
520
00:39:56,602 --> 00:39:58,729
Scott was laying in his bed.
521
00:39:58,813 --> 00:40:01,524
He was just looking for some tools.
He figured that I had them.
522
00:40:03,401 --> 00:40:05,945
We had the bedroom,
and then an office outside of it.
523
00:40:06,028 --> 00:40:08,614
Neil and I were sitting outside that room,
totally eavesdropping.
524
00:40:09,198 --> 00:40:11,534
And Neil heard Matt
say something about him.
525
00:40:12,118 --> 00:40:14,662
Neil came busting in the room.
526
00:40:15,454 --> 00:40:18,499
He just told me I needed
to keep his name out of my mouth.
527
00:40:19,250 --> 00:40:21,877
He had his hand
in the back of his waistband.
528
00:40:23,212 --> 00:40:27,216
That's when I raised the shotgun,
and pulled the trigger.
529
00:40:33,806 --> 00:40:36,267
I hear Hannah just screaming.
530
00:40:38,185 --> 00:40:42,690
When I got up there, the whole front
of his shirt was filled with blood.
531
00:40:43,607 --> 00:40:47,153
That's when I went out
the back slider door, fled the scene.
532
00:40:52,408 --> 00:40:56,787
I told him that I loved him,
and he told me that he loved me, too.
533
00:40:56,871 --> 00:40:59,373
And then, he never said
another word after that.
534
00:41:03,335 --> 00:41:05,337
There was no coming back from that.
535
00:41:08,048 --> 00:41:10,468
It was very traumatic.
536
00:41:15,514 --> 00:41:16,849
I miss him so much.
537
00:41:16,932 --> 00:41:18,934
Not a day goes by
that I don't think about him.
538
00:41:23,022 --> 00:41:26,233
I remember when they were
carrying him down the stairs.
539
00:41:29,778 --> 00:41:31,697
And he had a grin on his face.
540
00:41:35,326 --> 00:41:37,077
He was going to see his son.
541
00:41:39,371 --> 00:41:40,498
That's all he wanted.
542
00:41:42,750 --> 00:41:45,044
Neil had died in a horrific incident.
543
00:41:47,004 --> 00:41:50,090
So that was not a happy
turning point in Garret's case.
544
00:41:52,384 --> 00:41:54,595
Scott couldn't believe that he was
545
00:41:55,137 --> 00:41:58,557
in the same situation that he
had been in before, you know?
546
00:41:58,641 --> 00:42:01,268
That was the second best friend
that got killed there.
547
00:42:01,977 --> 00:42:05,648
The second best friend that he felt
responsible for getting killed.
548
00:42:07,149 --> 00:42:09,318
Scott was not going to be
the same after that.
549
00:42:11,904 --> 00:42:14,615
Scott created, like,
this humongous empire,
550
00:42:14,698 --> 00:42:17,743
and then it's like,
everything just starts falling apart.
551
00:42:18,786 --> 00:42:20,871
That was his best friend
for, like, 30 years.
552
00:42:20,955 --> 00:42:22,248
Scott wanted justice.
553
00:42:23,290 --> 00:42:26,126
Scott's motto was
"You do what's right, not what's easy."
554
00:42:28,671 --> 00:42:31,173
And he lived and died that.
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