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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:22,834 --> 00:00:27,460 MUSIC 2 00:01:15,458 --> 00:01:18,125 The bursting of the nation's housing bubble adds up to a... 3 00:01:18,458 --> 00:01:20,167 It's a shake up on Wall Street. 4 00:01:20,209 --> 00:01:21,960 ...bankruptcy protection. 5 00:01:22,375 --> 00:01:24,167 ...the government takeover of mortgage giants 6 00:01:24,251 --> 00:01:26,127 Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. 7 00:01:26,335 --> 00:01:30,127 Alan Greenspan calls it a once in a century financial crisis. 8 00:01:36,126 --> 00:01:38,585 Approve a 700 billion dollar bailout 9 00:01:38,595 --> 00:01:40,075 or face dire consequences. 10 00:01:40,155 --> 00:01:41,595 I have talked to the heads of almost 11 00:01:41,675 --> 00:01:44,275 every single one of these firms in the last 72 hours 12 00:01:44,355 --> 00:01:47,275 and he has no idea what it's like out there. None. 13 00:01:47,475 --> 00:01:51,755 Yes I found a flaw. I don't know how significant 14 00:01:51,875 --> 00:01:55,555 or permanent it is but I've been very distressed by that fact. 15 00:01:56,035 --> 00:02:00,075 MUSIC 16 00:02:24,195 --> 00:02:25,795 SIRENS 17 00:02:30,195 --> 00:02:34,475 MUSIC 18 00:02:52,435 --> 00:02:53,875 Welcome to New York City! 19 00:02:54,395 --> 00:02:56,035 Financial capital of the world. 20 00:02:56,275 --> 00:02:57,635 Welcome to Wall Street. 21 00:02:57,715 --> 00:03:00,835 This is the heart of American capitalism. 22 00:03:02,115 --> 00:03:04,235 Before I begin, a few things about the tour: 23 00:03:04,555 --> 00:03:05,795 One is uh - 24 00:03:06,315 --> 00:03:08,035 I'm not used to the camera in front of me... 25 00:03:08,075 --> 00:03:11,395 One is uh - let's make this tour interactive. 26 00:03:11,475 --> 00:03:13,395 Feel free to ask me questions. 27 00:03:13,875 --> 00:03:15,875 One of the things I love the most 28 00:03:15,955 --> 00:03:18,195 is you guys getting the "aha" moment. 29 00:03:18,235 --> 00:03:20,195 If you can walk away today 30 00:03:20,235 --> 00:03:22,315 with a better understanding of Wall Street, 31 00:03:22,355 --> 00:03:24,755 better understanding of the financial crisis, 32 00:03:25,195 --> 00:03:26,875 I've done my job. 33 00:03:32,475 --> 00:03:34,915 Committee will please come to order. 34 00:03:35,915 --> 00:03:38,635 I will start with the questioning. 35 00:03:40,395 --> 00:03:42,835 Dr. Greenspan I want to start with you. 36 00:03:43,075 --> 00:03:45,435 And my question for you is simple. 37 00:03:45,955 --> 00:03:47,075 Were you wrong? 38 00:03:49,475 --> 00:03:51,595 It would be sure that the mic is turned on. 39 00:03:52,435 --> 00:03:57,235 Partially, but let's separate this problem into 40 00:03:57,315 --> 00:03:58,755 its component parts. 41 00:04:00,835 --> 00:04:02,835 We're talking about explaining History, 42 00:04:02,915 --> 00:04:05,115 major world historic events. 43 00:04:08,155 --> 00:04:10,635 This is as much a wealth crisis as a debt crisis. 44 00:04:10,715 --> 00:04:13,235 Is a problem of wages as much as investment. 45 00:04:16,315 --> 00:04:20,635 It's a debt crisis but it's also very much a crisis of 46 00:04:20,715 --> 00:04:21,915 economic theory. 47 00:04:24,875 --> 00:04:28,955 I think the income distribution was the initial step 48 00:04:29,035 --> 00:04:31,995 in the dynamic that drove the debt crisis. 49 00:04:35,195 --> 00:04:36,395 It's horrifying. 50 00:04:36,875 --> 00:04:40,115 This is, you know, all the people that we trusted 51 00:04:40,195 --> 00:04:42,675 have turned out to be completely untrustworthy. 52 00:04:46,035 --> 00:04:51,035 This crisis is a total failure of markets. 53 00:04:53,795 --> 00:04:55,035 So it's not simple. 54 00:04:55,755 --> 00:04:59,075 MUSIC 55 00:05:06,955 --> 00:05:11,315 In a short span of time between March 2008 to September 2008 56 00:05:11,595 --> 00:05:13,115 so many things happened. 57 00:05:13,515 --> 00:05:15,715 Fear was in the market place. 58 00:05:16,475 --> 00:05:20,075 And if someone was going to tell you in six months 59 00:05:20,435 --> 00:05:22,355 two of the top investment banking would fail 60 00:05:22,875 --> 00:05:25,395 and they would tell you the top US insurance company would fail. 61 00:05:25,515 --> 00:05:27,595 And they'd tell you Fannie and Freddie, 62 00:05:27,755 --> 00:05:30,235 top mortgage issuers: bankrupt. 63 00:05:30,715 --> 00:05:32,595 Oh Iceland: bankrupt. 64 00:05:32,675 --> 00:05:34,515 Bankers around the world. 65 00:05:34,635 --> 00:05:36,395 If someone would tell you this would happen 66 00:05:36,515 --> 00:05:38,715 in as short as six months, you'd think they were crazy. 67 00:05:38,755 --> 00:05:40,475 But that's essentially what happened. 68 00:05:42,875 --> 00:05:45,995 Doctor Greenspan, you had an ideology. 69 00:05:46,275 --> 00:05:49,675 You had a belief that 70 00:05:50,355 --> 00:05:52,915 that free competitive markets are by far 71 00:05:53,155 --> 00:05:55,475 the unrivalled way to organise economies. 72 00:05:55,835 --> 00:05:58,795 "We've tried regulation. None meaningfully worked." 73 00:05:58,875 --> 00:05:59,955 That was your quote. 74 00:06:00,075 --> 00:06:03,955 Do you feel that your ideology pushed you 75 00:06:04,035 --> 00:06:06,755 to make decisions that you wish you had not made? 76 00:06:06,795 --> 00:06:10,115 Well remember that what an ideology is, 77 00:06:10,315 --> 00:06:11,995 it's a conceptual framework 78 00:06:12,075 --> 00:06:14,675 with a way people deal with reality. 79 00:06:15,075 --> 00:06:19,835 Everyone has one. You have to exist you need an ideology. 80 00:06:20,035 --> 00:06:23,155 The question is whether it is accurate or not. 81 00:06:23,435 --> 00:06:27,395 And what I'm saying to you is yes I found a flaw. 82 00:06:27,595 --> 00:06:30,795 I don't know how significant or permanent it is 83 00:06:30,875 --> 00:06:33,075 but I've been very distressed by that fact. 84 00:06:33,195 --> 00:06:36,435 You found a flaw in the reality - 85 00:06:36,515 --> 00:06:39,235 A flaw in the model that I perceived 86 00:06:39,355 --> 00:06:41,395 is the critical functioning structure 87 00:06:41,475 --> 00:06:44,635 that defines how the world works, so to speak. 88 00:06:47,795 --> 00:06:50,355 MUSIC 89 00:07:02,835 --> 00:07:05,915 It wasn't so long ago in the history of man's voyage 90 00:07:06,035 --> 00:07:09,635 to a better world that ships were carrying eager passengers 91 00:07:09,675 --> 00:07:11,435 towards the shores of a new nation 92 00:07:11,555 --> 00:07:13,035 that was just in the building. 93 00:07:13,915 --> 00:07:15,755 Our forefathers were constructing 94 00:07:15,795 --> 00:07:17,435 the foundation of this nation 95 00:07:18,195 --> 00:07:20,595 by interlocking inseparably the blocks 96 00:07:20,675 --> 00:07:22,955 of our political and economic freedom. 97 00:07:27,195 --> 00:07:30,035 In some sense economics, standard economics, 98 00:07:30,115 --> 00:07:32,915 is a very optimistic view of human nature, right? 99 00:07:32,995 --> 00:07:35,475 Everybody's wonderful. Everybody's great. 100 00:07:35,635 --> 00:07:39,235 Every person is a perfect calculator. 101 00:07:39,715 --> 00:07:41,675 And that's basically what it means is that we have 102 00:07:41,755 --> 00:07:44,755 lots of actors, each of them doing the best thing for them 103 00:07:44,835 --> 00:07:48,315 and that creates some kind of social benefit for everybody. 104 00:07:52,115 --> 00:07:54,315 The way of life our forefathers established 105 00:07:54,435 --> 00:07:56,595 on this foundation of freedom 106 00:07:56,755 --> 00:07:59,515 drew people from the far corners of the earth 107 00:08:00,115 --> 00:08:02,115 and all those who set foot on these shores 108 00:08:02,195 --> 00:08:05,035 had the opportunity to build a better life for themselves. 109 00:08:06,555 --> 00:08:09,195 Even young Jonathan, an unskilled lad 110 00:08:09,275 --> 00:08:11,795 from across the sea hoped to find a job 111 00:08:11,915 --> 00:08:13,915 where he could progress according to his ability 112 00:08:13,995 --> 00:08:14,995 and enterprise. 113 00:08:16,275 --> 00:08:19,075 Well there's many factors that ultimately underlie 114 00:08:19,155 --> 00:08:21,155 the current financial crisis but, 115 00:08:21,435 --> 00:08:23,755 one thing that comes across in my mind 116 00:08:23,835 --> 00:08:25,995 is the intellectual change. 117 00:08:26,395 --> 00:08:29,355 An idea. Mm an idea. 118 00:08:29,395 --> 00:08:34,315 In the 1970s the so-called efficient markets hypothesis 119 00:08:34,635 --> 00:08:39,275 began to be received doctrine in the universities. 120 00:08:41,355 --> 00:08:43,795 The simple version of the efficient market hypothesis 121 00:08:43,875 --> 00:08:46,915 is that you have a value of something in the market 122 00:08:46,995 --> 00:08:48,155 whatever it is. 123 00:08:48,235 --> 00:08:50,515 If it's too low people would recognise it 124 00:08:50,595 --> 00:08:52,075 and then you would bid the price up. 125 00:08:52,155 --> 00:08:54,475 If it's too high people would recognise it 126 00:08:54,555 --> 00:08:55,955 and then they'll bid the price low. 127 00:08:56,035 --> 00:08:58,515 So you might have one opinion. I might have the other opinion. 128 00:08:58,595 --> 00:09:00,235 But the opinion of all of us in average 129 00:09:00,275 --> 00:09:02,035 is going to be kind of the correct opinion. 130 00:09:02,115 --> 00:09:03,595 What's called the wisdom of crowd. 131 00:09:03,675 --> 00:09:05,555 This is a hypothesis that 132 00:09:05,595 --> 00:09:10,235 all financial asset prices are correct at all time. 133 00:09:10,235 --> 00:09:12,635 Well correct in the sense that they accumulate 134 00:09:12,755 --> 00:09:15,955 all of the information, pool the information 135 00:09:15,995 --> 00:09:19,755 and then become wiser than any one individual 136 00:09:19,875 --> 00:09:23,995 so that it would be foolhardy to ever question a market price. 137 00:09:25,915 --> 00:09:28,355 While the main street of today doesn't look much like 138 00:09:28,355 --> 00:09:30,555 the main street of Jonathan's time 139 00:09:30,635 --> 00:09:33,515 the principles about business system remain the same. 140 00:09:33,555 --> 00:09:35,715 But businessmen still compete with one another 141 00:09:35,755 --> 00:09:38,395 for the consumers supply of spendable dollars. 142 00:09:39,115 --> 00:09:41,635 And Mrs Consumer is still mighty critical 143 00:09:41,715 --> 00:09:43,075 of everything she buys. 144 00:09:43,475 --> 00:09:48,475 So under that thesis prices are always at the correct price. 145 00:09:49,875 --> 00:09:52,275 You can't have an asset price bubble 146 00:09:52,555 --> 00:09:54,995 in the efficient market hypothesis. 147 00:09:56,115 --> 00:09:59,275 So let me tell you a bit more about myself. 148 00:09:59,955 --> 00:10:02,155 After MIT I went to Silicon Valley 149 00:10:02,475 --> 00:10:05,835 and so I was there before the bubble, during the bubble 150 00:10:05,915 --> 00:10:09,275 and slightly after the bubble, the internet bubble that is. 151 00:10:09,835 --> 00:10:14,795 And so you know, after the bubble I was like looking around 152 00:10:14,915 --> 00:10:17,275 and I was like wow you know, what I'm doing is really risky, 153 00:10:17,355 --> 00:10:18,955 I've got to find something more stable. 154 00:10:19,075 --> 00:10:22,435 What I became is I became a bond trader 155 00:10:22,435 --> 00:10:25,235 of essentially sub-prime mortgages bonds. 156 00:10:32,435 --> 00:10:34,755 I think we know what a bubble is. 157 00:10:35,075 --> 00:10:38,715 It's a phenomenon that has been repeating many times in history. 158 00:10:41,555 --> 00:10:44,195 If you look at the Oxford English dictionary 159 00:10:44,235 --> 00:10:47,595 I think it says something like: a speculative price increase 160 00:10:47,715 --> 00:10:49,155 that's not justified. 161 00:10:49,235 --> 00:10:51,995 It's filled with air like a bubble and it eventually bursts. 162 00:10:54,555 --> 00:10:57,635 Economists would like to come up with a good explanation. 163 00:10:58,035 --> 00:11:01,195 Why did we have a stock market bubble in the 1990s 164 00:11:01,275 --> 00:11:03,635 and then a real estate bubble in the 2000s? 165 00:11:06,275 --> 00:11:09,995 I like to give explanations that sound right to me 166 00:11:10,075 --> 00:11:13,315 and maybe a little disreputable in our own profession. 167 00:11:13,395 --> 00:11:15,395 And they're cultural explanations. 168 00:11:15,475 --> 00:11:19,635 One thing that strikes me as having been very formative 169 00:11:19,715 --> 00:11:23,875 for people's thinking was the explosion of capitalism. 170 00:11:23,955 --> 00:11:27,075 Government is not the solution to our problem. 171 00:11:27,595 --> 00:11:29,475 Government is the problem. 172 00:11:32,715 --> 00:11:34,315 It started with the Margaret Thatcher 173 00:11:34,395 --> 00:11:36,155 and Ronald Reagan revolutions 174 00:11:36,235 --> 00:11:38,755 that brought free markets to more prominence. 175 00:11:41,875 --> 00:11:45,995 And then it moved on with the breakup of the Soviet Union. 176 00:11:47,075 --> 00:11:50,715 MUSIC 177 00:11:54,915 --> 00:11:56,995 The advent of capitalism in China. 178 00:11:57,995 --> 00:12:00,915 It seemed like there was an intellectual revolution. 179 00:12:01,515 --> 00:12:03,235 That people believed in markets. 180 00:12:04,355 --> 00:12:07,035 And so people thought that we're in a new world: 181 00:12:07,075 --> 00:12:08,435 private property reigns! 182 00:12:09,715 --> 00:12:12,515 It struck a tone of fear in people 183 00:12:12,875 --> 00:12:16,675 that I better get on this or I will be left behind. 184 00:12:17,755 --> 00:12:19,715 I'd call it a gold rush mentality. 185 00:12:20,675 --> 00:12:23,995 And it led to people changing their self-image. 186 00:12:24,035 --> 00:12:26,395 They thought that I have to change to become part of this, 187 00:12:26,515 --> 00:12:29,595 to be smart and stay afloat in this world. 188 00:12:32,115 --> 00:12:34,035 I'm going to be an investment genius. 189 00:12:34,635 --> 00:12:36,435 Play your hand at hotjobs.com. 190 00:12:36,515 --> 00:12:37,875 Dot com. - Dot com. 191 00:12:37,955 --> 00:12:41,155 It looked like the dot com, all those tech stocks 192 00:12:41,235 --> 00:12:44,195 were a great way to invest your money and so money flooded in. 193 00:12:44,275 --> 00:12:46,635 Today I'm talking to some city pets. 194 00:12:46,755 --> 00:12:48,555 Ooh, ooh, hey poodles 195 00:12:48,635 --> 00:12:52,675 did you know that pets.com delivers food, treats and toys? 196 00:12:52,755 --> 00:12:54,675 And, lo and behold, you can't make money 197 00:12:54,755 --> 00:12:56,915 selling pet food on the internet. 198 00:12:57,195 --> 00:13:00,595 But people thought it was this new opportunity for investment. 199 00:13:00,715 --> 00:13:02,475 Doctor I think you should see this. 200 00:13:03,355 --> 00:13:04,235 Why what it is? 201 00:13:04,355 --> 00:13:06,395 He's got money coming out the wazoo. 202 00:13:06,395 --> 00:13:07,275 What do we have? 203 00:13:07,355 --> 00:13:08,475 Money out the wazoo. 204 00:13:09,395 --> 00:13:10,875 Move this man to a private room. 205 00:13:12,475 --> 00:13:13,555 It's time for e-trade. 206 00:13:13,795 --> 00:13:16,595 Unfortunately we were embarrassed by the fall 207 00:13:16,675 --> 00:13:20,475 in stock prices, so we had to turn to some way 208 00:13:20,595 --> 00:13:25,075 of maintaining the ego we had just developed. 209 00:13:25,795 --> 00:13:28,955 I think we had a smart response called sector rotation. 210 00:13:29,035 --> 00:13:31,915 Rotate out of the - that's a little bit of jargon. 211 00:13:31,995 --> 00:13:35,755 Rotate out of the equity sector into the property sector. 212 00:13:36,075 --> 00:13:38,915 Introducing the world's fastest money making system. 213 00:13:38,955 --> 00:13:41,595 John Alexander's Real Estate Riches in 14 days! 214 00:13:42,435 --> 00:13:44,795 It accelerated largely through media. 215 00:13:44,915 --> 00:13:47,035 Television shows that focused on the bubble 216 00:13:47,075 --> 00:13:50,075 and ad campaigns that reinforced notions 217 00:13:50,155 --> 00:13:51,755 that seemed to support the bubble. 218 00:13:51,835 --> 00:13:55,195 Wouldn't you like to learn how to make a fortune in real estate 219 00:13:55,275 --> 00:13:57,075 without needing any money? 220 00:13:57,155 --> 00:14:00,315 People were so pleased that they had found this smart, 221 00:14:00,395 --> 00:14:02,915 at home, investment that they understood 222 00:14:02,995 --> 00:14:05,915 and knew and that they were very confident about. 223 00:14:05,995 --> 00:14:08,355 There's no reason that you can't be living 224 00:14:08,395 --> 00:14:11,235 the same life I am in no time at all. 225 00:14:11,555 --> 00:14:14,235 MUSIC 226 00:14:16,475 --> 00:14:17,835 It's humiliating. 227 00:14:18,515 --> 00:14:20,675 I am an economics correspondent for the New York Times 228 00:14:20,755 --> 00:14:22,595 and I'm 10 months past due 229 00:14:22,675 --> 00:14:25,315 and in extended discussions with the lender. 230 00:14:26,155 --> 00:14:28,995 I'm kind of amazed actually that I'm still in this house. 231 00:14:38,355 --> 00:14:40,915 That deal that I got is not a good deal 232 00:14:40,955 --> 00:14:43,875 and I cannot keep the house with this deal. 233 00:14:44,315 --> 00:14:48,555 All the bad mortgage you can ever imagine in this planet 234 00:14:48,715 --> 00:14:50,475 that the kind of mortgage I have. 235 00:14:55,155 --> 00:14:57,595 MUSIC 236 00:14:59,835 --> 00:15:02,915 I'm a working stiff. I'm a regular guy. I have a job. 237 00:15:03,075 --> 00:15:04,395 I'm trying to get ahead. 238 00:15:05,675 --> 00:15:07,955 And I thought this was a smart way to do it. 239 00:15:19,435 --> 00:15:21,235 Here's how it started for me. 240 00:15:22,035 --> 00:15:24,195 I got married 6 years ago. 241 00:15:24,635 --> 00:15:26,955 And about a year into our marriage 242 00:15:26,995 --> 00:15:29,035 my wife was saying at home and decided 243 00:15:29,075 --> 00:15:31,715 now I want to do something so she looked around 244 00:15:31,755 --> 00:15:33,395 and thought she'd try to sell real estate 245 00:15:33,595 --> 00:15:36,675 and she took the course, passed the test, 246 00:15:36,715 --> 00:15:40,595 went to work for a pretty large Century 21 office in our area 247 00:15:41,115 --> 00:15:45,755 and the broker there, that was maybe 2 years into the boom, 248 00:15:46,275 --> 00:15:48,195 and he said to her, he said, I would recommend 249 00:15:48,275 --> 00:15:49,795 everybody that owns a house 250 00:15:50,555 --> 00:15:52,675 borrow as much as you can against it. 251 00:15:52,715 --> 00:15:54,555 Take out every nickel that you can 252 00:15:54,635 --> 00:15:57,595 and invest it in real estate. You just can't lose. 253 00:15:57,795 --> 00:15:59,515 You can always tell, can't you? 254 00:15:59,635 --> 00:16:01,835 A town with good real estate people 255 00:16:02,075 --> 00:16:04,395 is a more substantial community 256 00:16:04,435 --> 00:16:06,595 because more people own their own homes. 257 00:16:06,675 --> 00:16:07,635 That's right. 258 00:16:08,835 --> 00:16:12,595 MUSIC 259 00:16:18,995 --> 00:16:21,715 You can look at a house that was 2 years ago 300,000 260 00:16:21,795 --> 00:16:22,955 and now they're 600,000. 261 00:16:23,835 --> 00:16:25,835 They're just astronomical. 262 00:16:25,955 --> 00:16:27,755 And you see it happening all around you. 263 00:16:27,835 --> 00:16:29,155 Everybody's getting in on it 264 00:16:29,755 --> 00:16:32,635 so I'd been in my house 12 years or something like that 265 00:16:32,675 --> 00:16:35,395 and I'd built up equity and I thought: 266 00:16:35,715 --> 00:16:37,675 "wow he's right, I should do that." 267 00:16:37,715 --> 00:16:38,835 So that's what I did. 268 00:16:42,395 --> 00:16:45,435 The efficient market hypothesis is built on a simple idea. 269 00:16:45,755 --> 00:16:47,835 That as the price of a good goes up, 270 00:16:48,115 --> 00:16:49,835 we tend to demand less of it. 271 00:16:50,755 --> 00:16:53,195 So the supply and demand matches. 272 00:16:53,555 --> 00:16:56,515 That's what gives us the stability in the system. 273 00:16:58,075 --> 00:17:01,515 If you imagine for example something like a refrigerator. 274 00:17:02,435 --> 00:17:04,555 If its price rises dramatically 275 00:17:04,635 --> 00:17:06,115 people are going to make do 276 00:17:06,195 --> 00:17:07,875 with the refrigerator they've already got 277 00:17:10,075 --> 00:17:13,635 When they start to treat a good as a financial asset 278 00:17:13,715 --> 00:17:16,675 as people started to do with houses in the boom. 279 00:17:19,555 --> 00:17:22,475 That's when you get into a very unstable market. 280 00:17:25,795 --> 00:17:28,435 MUSIC 281 00:17:29,715 --> 00:17:33,995 Asset markets are dramatically less stable than goods markets. 282 00:17:34,675 --> 00:17:36,915 You don't see the price of Chevrolets 283 00:17:37,075 --> 00:17:39,035 sky-rocket and then plunge. 284 00:17:40,955 --> 00:17:43,715 The key difference between an asset and a good 285 00:17:43,755 --> 00:17:46,715 is when you buy a good you want to use it. 286 00:17:47,195 --> 00:17:48,755 You're not going to resell it. 287 00:17:48,955 --> 00:17:51,155 When you're buying an asset, you're buying it 288 00:17:51,195 --> 00:17:53,435 in the hope of being able to sell it in the future 289 00:17:53,875 --> 00:17:55,235 for a higher price. 290 00:17:56,395 --> 00:17:58,435 So if we see that its price is rising 291 00:17:58,475 --> 00:18:00,955 we then tell ourselves that we're very smart. 292 00:18:01,075 --> 00:18:02,995 and we go out and buy some more of that asset. 293 00:18:03,915 --> 00:18:09,395 So in goods markets when prices rise, demand falls. 294 00:18:09,875 --> 00:18:15,075 In asset markets when prices rise demand often rises as well. 295 00:18:16,075 --> 00:18:18,395 In the asset market the very fact 296 00:18:18,475 --> 00:18:21,555 of its having grown in price fuels demand 297 00:18:21,635 --> 00:18:24,555 for additional purchases of the asset. 298 00:18:25,315 --> 00:18:27,715 It also fuels additional purchasing power 299 00:18:27,795 --> 00:18:30,555 because people can borrow more against the value 300 00:18:30,635 --> 00:18:32,835 of the assets they own that went up in price. 301 00:18:33,555 --> 00:18:37,355 MUSIC 302 00:18:41,755 --> 00:18:44,875 Most of these assets are bought financed with debt. 303 00:18:49,795 --> 00:18:52,675 When we buy a house, we buy it with a mortgage 304 00:18:52,755 --> 00:18:54,435 so it's debt financed. 305 00:18:56,115 --> 00:18:59,835 If one of those assets goes up you're able to borrow more money 306 00:19:00,555 --> 00:19:03,755 against that asset so your spending power 307 00:19:03,875 --> 00:19:07,035 for new assets rises as the prices go up. 308 00:19:11,595 --> 00:19:13,835 I bought several investment properties. 309 00:19:13,955 --> 00:19:17,622 I buy one and I took equity out of my house 310 00:19:17,635 --> 00:19:20,795 or I'd buy one and then go look at another one, 311 00:19:20,835 --> 00:19:22,435 take equity from the one I'd just bought, 312 00:19:22,835 --> 00:19:24,635 in order to buy as much as I could. 313 00:19:28,235 --> 00:19:30,635 I bought at exactly the wrong time. 314 00:19:30,728 --> 00:19:32,425 I went on a buying spree right at the peak. 315 00:19:36,730 --> 00:19:39,284 In fact the most expensive property I bought in Hawaii 316 00:19:39,365 --> 00:19:42,938 is still today the highest price in that development 317 00:19:42,980 --> 00:19:44,112 3 and a half years later. 318 00:19:45,605 --> 00:19:46,807 I was the peak. 319 00:19:46,888 --> 00:19:49,081 And to buy around the peak I was the highest one. 320 00:19:49,503 --> 00:19:51,670 Immediately after that the next one was less. 321 00:19:52,948 --> 00:19:54,128 How does that make you feel? 322 00:19:54,209 --> 00:19:55,084 Great. 323 00:19:57,394 --> 00:20:00,268 AMBIENT SOUND 324 00:20:01,105 --> 00:20:03,284 Doctor Greenspan your view of the world, 325 00:20:03,365 --> 00:20:06,857 your ideology was not right. It was not was working. 326 00:20:06,938 --> 00:20:10,563 Precisely. No that's precisely the reason I was shocked 327 00:20:10,647 --> 00:20:13,688 because I had been going for 40 years or more 328 00:20:13,730 --> 00:20:15,813 with very considerable evidence 329 00:20:15,855 --> 00:20:17,760 that it was working exceptionally well. 330 00:20:21,605 --> 00:20:24,105 Greenspan had been working to the assumption 331 00:20:24,147 --> 00:20:27,855 that the financial system was a self-stabilising system. 332 00:20:29,438 --> 00:20:33,480 It meant that he took a view of asset price bubbles, 333 00:20:33,839 --> 00:20:38,563 which was that it really wasn't in his remit 334 00:20:38,605 --> 00:20:40,096 to do anything about them. 335 00:20:42,988 --> 00:20:45,604 MUSIC 336 00:20:47,313 --> 00:20:50,188 He had this idea that the Central Bank 337 00:20:50,272 --> 00:20:53,397 should never question asset prices. 338 00:20:53,438 --> 00:20:56,839 It should only take action when asset prices started to fall. 339 00:20:58,647 --> 00:21:01,730 So whenever there was the tiniest slowdown 340 00:21:01,772 --> 00:21:04,272 he'd be leaping in with monetary stimulus 341 00:21:04,313 --> 00:21:07,563 cutting interest rates and trying to boost activity again. 342 00:21:09,550 --> 00:21:11,605 And of course boosting economic activity 343 00:21:11,688 --> 00:21:13,292 is just a euphemism for trying to 344 00:21:13,373 --> 00:21:15,540 encourage the economy to borrow even more. 345 00:21:16,476 --> 00:21:19,935 Creating a credit boom or a credit bubble. 346 00:21:20,995 --> 00:21:24,480 So we're in this crisis in large part 347 00:21:24,522 --> 00:21:27,397 because our Central Banks have, 348 00:21:27,438 --> 00:21:30,480 for the last two or three decades, encouraged us to 349 00:21:30,522 --> 00:21:34,188 borrow more and more and more and eventually 350 00:21:34,230 --> 00:21:36,456 got us into this unsustainable state. 351 00:21:40,331 --> 00:21:43,188 Now if the Central Banks operating 352 00:21:43,272 --> 00:21:46,735 its interest rate policy in a way to encourage 353 00:21:46,816 --> 00:21:49,089 asset prices to keep inflating 354 00:21:49,862 --> 00:21:52,867 obviously that's going to benefit that portion of society 355 00:21:52,948 --> 00:21:55,981 that owns assets, which is typically 356 00:21:56,062 --> 00:21:59,268 the wealthy end of the spectrum already. 357 00:22:06,776 --> 00:22:11,230 In 1900 many men had to work 10 hours a day, 358 00:22:11,620 --> 00:22:15,771 6 days a week, to earn enough money to provide 359 00:22:15,852 --> 00:22:17,956 their families with the bare essentials. 360 00:22:19,404 --> 00:22:23,065 And labour was the rule in the home as well as the factory. 361 00:22:24,813 --> 00:22:26,480 A half century later 362 00:22:26,522 --> 00:22:29,128 we had invested enough in our business system 363 00:22:29,315 --> 00:22:31,230 to provide the average worker with efficient 364 00:22:31,272 --> 00:22:32,772 and expensive buildings 365 00:22:32,813 --> 00:22:35,688 and machinery to enable him to produce enough 366 00:22:35,730 --> 00:22:38,730 in a 40 hour week to earn twice as much 367 00:22:38,772 --> 00:22:42,436 as the 1900 worker earned in a 60 hour week. 368 00:22:43,272 --> 00:22:46,808 This shorter work week gives us all more leisure time 369 00:22:46,889 --> 00:22:50,526 to enjoy a standard of living beyond the wildest dreams 370 00:22:50,607 --> 00:22:52,881 of anyone who lived a half century ago. 371 00:22:53,287 --> 00:22:56,730 The more we earn the more our families have, 372 00:22:56,813 --> 00:22:58,615 to spend for the things they need and want. 373 00:23:02,201 --> 00:23:04,497 You ask an American when was America 374 00:23:04,538 --> 00:23:06,663 most prosperous in the 20th century? 375 00:23:06,810 --> 00:23:09,948 Most Americans outside of financiers on Wall Street 376 00:23:10,029 --> 00:23:11,792 will tell you the 1950s. 377 00:23:11,873 --> 00:23:14,666 It's thought of as this time of perfection. 378 00:23:14,747 --> 00:23:18,261 This golden age of capitalism with big fin cars 379 00:23:18,342 --> 00:23:22,665 and houses and anybody, any guy, could get a job 380 00:23:22,746 --> 00:23:24,717 and support his wife and kids. 381 00:23:26,506 --> 00:23:28,598 And this kind of lifestyle isn't possible 382 00:23:28,679 --> 00:23:29,904 for most people today. 383 00:23:31,014 --> 00:23:33,580 And fortunately we have been able to 384 00:23:33,663 --> 00:23:35,663 raise our standard of living 385 00:23:35,982 --> 00:23:38,683 without sacrificing the spiritual side of life 386 00:23:38,764 --> 00:23:40,997 which means so much to the American family. 387 00:23:41,357 --> 00:23:43,705 Now this is also the moment in America 388 00:23:43,747 --> 00:23:46,997 that has the least income inequality in our history. 389 00:23:47,408 --> 00:23:48,985 And I don't think that's a coincidence. 390 00:23:49,647 --> 00:23:51,936 MUSIC 391 00:23:55,248 --> 00:23:57,936 Before the sort of World War II period, 392 00:23:57,973 --> 00:23:59,650 income inequality was very high. 393 00:24:02,930 --> 00:24:06,001 The share of total American income 394 00:24:06,423 --> 00:24:09,233 going to just the top 1 percent 395 00:24:09,314 --> 00:24:14,805 peaked in 1929 at about 22 percent. 396 00:24:15,831 --> 00:24:18,039 Which is an extraordinary figure. 397 00:24:19,617 --> 00:24:23,011 And then as you go into World War II, income inequality 398 00:24:23,092 --> 00:24:26,301 falls from 1945 to 1970. 399 00:24:26,836 --> 00:24:31,990 In the 1970s the top 1 percent were getting only 9 percent. 400 00:24:32,071 --> 00:24:33,734 That was a huge fall. 401 00:24:35,383 --> 00:24:38,269 And then in the 1970s you start to see it rise again. 402 00:24:38,350 --> 00:24:40,225 Accelerating in the 1980s. 403 00:24:41,141 --> 00:24:43,906 MUSIC 404 00:24:46,023 --> 00:24:49,320 There's been a big shift in the way income growth has occurred 405 00:24:49,437 --> 00:24:51,763 in the United States certainly but also in other countries 406 00:24:51,844 --> 00:24:53,719 as well, but not to the same degree. 407 00:24:57,805 --> 00:25:01,013 What we've seen is that unlike the three decades 408 00:25:01,055 --> 00:25:03,847 right after World War II when incomes grew 409 00:25:03,888 --> 00:25:05,656 at about the same rate for everyone 410 00:25:05,737 --> 00:25:08,922 starting in the early 70s roughly, income growth 411 00:25:09,003 --> 00:25:11,078 started accumulating only at the top. 412 00:25:12,851 --> 00:25:16,937 MUSIC 413 00:25:20,741 --> 00:25:24,557 The share of the top 1 percent went shooting up 414 00:25:24,638 --> 00:25:27,388 like a July the 4th sky-rocket 415 00:25:27,867 --> 00:25:31,727 back up to about the same as in 1929. 416 00:25:36,797 --> 00:25:39,263 And partly that can be explained by the credit boom 417 00:25:39,305 --> 00:25:40,336 or the credit bubble. 418 00:25:40,461 --> 00:25:42,852 You were okay up to that credit business, 419 00:25:43,070 --> 00:25:44,656 couldn't you make that a bit clearer? 420 00:25:44,737 --> 00:25:48,237 To really understand it you have to go back to the 1920s. 421 00:25:50,972 --> 00:25:53,930 There was increasingly inequality 422 00:25:53,972 --> 00:25:55,930 but there was also increasing debt. 423 00:25:57,437 --> 00:26:01,638 The US was developing great productive capacity 424 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,055 in consumer goods industry such as refrigerators, 425 00:26:05,138 --> 00:26:07,680 such as radios, such as auto mobiles. 426 00:26:09,641 --> 00:26:11,722 And these were very expensive 427 00:26:11,763 --> 00:26:13,562 for the average worker at the time. 428 00:26:14,513 --> 00:26:17,430 And so over the mid 20s to late 20s 429 00:26:17,513 --> 00:26:21,195 there's an incredible explosion of instalment credit in America. 430 00:26:21,276 --> 00:26:24,404 People could borrow to pay for all the new modern 431 00:26:24,485 --> 00:26:25,820 electric appliances. 432 00:26:26,047 --> 00:26:31,297 And you had a rapid rise in credit in the economy 433 00:26:32,461 --> 00:26:36,047 to the point at which we got too much credit, 434 00:26:36,128 --> 00:26:40,295 too much indebtedness and then eventually the system collapsed. 435 00:26:41,143 --> 00:26:46,184 So the 1920s can actually be seen as a kind of precursor 436 00:26:46,265 --> 00:26:49,015 of what happened in the 2000s. 437 00:26:50,427 --> 00:26:53,805 MUSIC 438 00:26:59,989 --> 00:27:03,865 So you have a very pronounced U shape curve 439 00:27:03,947 --> 00:27:07,947 just as we have seen happening with income distribution. 440 00:27:09,530 --> 00:27:13,363 And that's because economic activity, profit growth 441 00:27:13,405 --> 00:27:16,318 and credit creation are all intimately linked. 442 00:27:16,399 --> 00:27:23,037 Ah yes dear lady. High, high quality at a low, low price. 443 00:27:23,530 --> 00:27:25,822 If the banks are more willing to lend 444 00:27:25,863 --> 00:27:30,572 it becomes easier for companies or for households to spend 445 00:27:30,613 --> 00:27:33,822 because they can borrow money and they can then spend it. 446 00:27:33,947 --> 00:27:37,488 Sales dollars from satisfied customers once again. 447 00:27:37,530 --> 00:27:41,322 So as credit rises corporate profits rise. 448 00:27:41,405 --> 00:27:45,197 The remainder of the profit is paid out as dividends. 449 00:27:45,405 --> 00:27:48,697 But who tends to own the shares in the corporate 450 00:27:48,738 --> 00:27:50,613 and the shares in the bank? 451 00:27:50,655 --> 00:27:54,405 Generally it's the wealthier people that own 452 00:27:54,447 --> 00:27:56,863 the capital stock of an economy. 453 00:27:56,947 --> 00:28:00,030 So if profitability is being boosted then there's 454 00:28:00,072 --> 00:28:04,822 a natural tendency to polarise wealth distribution 455 00:28:04,863 --> 00:28:06,780 within the economy as well. 456 00:28:10,030 --> 00:28:12,655 That's a symptom of a credit cycle. 457 00:28:14,530 --> 00:28:17,405 Say, that sure was a neat job. 458 00:28:17,545 --> 00:28:20,521 MUSIC 459 00:28:21,530 --> 00:28:24,613 That building across is the most important building 460 00:28:24,655 --> 00:28:25,780 of Wall Street. 461 00:28:25,861 --> 00:28:28,572 That building is the House of Morgan Building. 462 00:28:29,447 --> 00:28:32,530 That's where JP Morgan's original bank was. 463 00:28:34,488 --> 00:28:37,363 The institutions that are going to make the most profit 464 00:28:37,405 --> 00:28:40,738 from that credit creation process are of course the banks. 465 00:28:41,197 --> 00:28:44,447 Every time a loan is made they take a margin on it. 466 00:28:44,488 --> 00:28:46,572 Every time a bond is traded they take 467 00:28:46,613 --> 00:28:48,488 a margin on that as well. 468 00:28:48,572 --> 00:28:53,155 So the credit bubble creates a system where you boost 469 00:28:53,197 --> 00:28:55,863 financial profitability 470 00:28:55,947 --> 00:28:59,113 more than profitability in the rest of the economy. 471 00:29:01,257 --> 00:29:04,732 MUSIC 472 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,530 So if there's a boost of profitability 473 00:29:19,572 --> 00:29:23,488 for the banking sector it tends to drop quite quickly 474 00:29:24,363 --> 00:29:28,280 through to pay for bankers, through to the bonuses. 475 00:29:28,488 --> 00:29:30,113 Ha! Here we go. 476 00:29:32,738 --> 00:29:35,488 I think the compensation strategy that we've had 477 00:29:35,530 --> 00:29:37,280 for many years 478 00:29:37,363 --> 00:29:40,197 is in line with best practices to encourage 479 00:29:40,238 --> 00:29:41,738 long term incentives. 480 00:29:41,947 --> 00:29:46,517 The closer you are to the money the more of it you make. 481 00:29:46,740 --> 00:29:48,397 If I took anybody and I paid them 482 00:29:48,510 --> 00:29:50,173 10 million dollars for their job, 483 00:29:50,254 --> 00:29:51,634 I took you and I started paying you 484 00:29:51,674 --> 00:29:53,075 10 million dollars for your job, 485 00:29:53,155 --> 00:29:54,988 in 2 weeks you will think you will deserve it. 486 00:29:55,113 --> 00:29:57,613 I'm looking forward to my next million. 487 00:29:57,738 --> 00:30:01,988 We want to hire and retain the smartest people in the world. 488 00:30:02,155 --> 00:30:06,030 And so we have to offer them incentives 489 00:30:06,072 --> 00:30:10,072 which can compete with those that are trying to attract 490 00:30:10,113 --> 00:30:12,806 the best and the smartest people in the world too. 491 00:30:12,905 --> 00:30:15,363 You know we just want one thing from Wall Street; 492 00:30:15,405 --> 00:30:17,247 we'd like them to be able to do the maths. 493 00:30:17,328 --> 00:30:18,411 That's all we want. 494 00:30:18,492 --> 00:30:20,356 We just want them to be able to do arithmetic. 495 00:30:20,437 --> 00:30:22,043 And they got it completely wrong. 496 00:30:22,124 --> 00:30:24,957 If they were that good we wouldn't have been in this mess. 497 00:30:25,489 --> 00:30:29,323 Alright so our next stop's going to be Deutsche Bank 498 00:30:29,363 --> 00:30:32,322 where I used to work. Alright. Let's go. 499 00:30:34,146 --> 00:30:36,970 MUSIC 500 00:30:40,322 --> 00:30:43,198 So it's been an enormous pyramiding of income 501 00:30:43,279 --> 00:30:44,952 and wealth in the last 30 years. 502 00:30:45,363 --> 00:30:47,738 If you look at the people in the top deciles, 503 00:30:47,780 --> 00:30:50,905 the lion's share of the growth that occurred 504 00:30:50,988 --> 00:30:53,072 there was in the top 1 percent. 505 00:30:53,238 --> 00:30:55,947 Slice that up and you'll see the lion's share of the growth 506 00:30:56,030 --> 00:30:59,363 in the top 1 percent occurring in the top 1/10th of 1 percent 507 00:30:59,447 --> 00:31:01,405 and so on as far as we've managed 508 00:31:01,447 --> 00:31:03,655 to go up and find data to check 509 00:31:04,655 --> 00:31:10,030 MUSIC 510 00:31:40,412 --> 00:31:43,787 For everybody else this new inequality 511 00:31:43,868 --> 00:31:46,659 meant a bunch of things. 512 00:31:46,822 --> 00:31:49,572 Only a business operating at a steady profit 513 00:31:49,655 --> 00:31:51,655 can give its workers security... 514 00:31:51,863 --> 00:31:56,572 From World War II until about 1970 wages grew very steadily. 515 00:31:56,889 --> 00:32:00,699 There was a widespread well- paid manufacturing economy. 516 00:32:00,782 --> 00:32:02,824 Good steelwork, good car work. 517 00:32:02,905 --> 00:32:05,613 Higher wages and steady employment. 518 00:32:07,030 --> 00:32:09,363 All this changed after 1970. 519 00:32:09,531 --> 00:32:13,531 With double whammies of the rise of globalisation 520 00:32:13,572 --> 00:32:15,572 and the industrialisation beginning to hit 521 00:32:15,613 --> 00:32:17,030 the American workforce. 522 00:32:22,647 --> 00:32:25,488 Through the 1950s, 60s, 70s, 523 00:32:25,686 --> 00:32:28,936 the bottom 90 percent of the American population 524 00:32:29,108 --> 00:32:33,811 was getting roughly 65 percent of national income. 525 00:32:38,556 --> 00:32:41,850 That share fell to above 50 percent 526 00:32:41,931 --> 00:32:44,280 in the last few years. 527 00:32:48,623 --> 00:32:51,855 Adjusted for inflation the medium wages stagnated 528 00:32:51,936 --> 00:32:53,639 from the early 1970s 529 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,498 except for a small blip in the early 90s, until today. 530 00:33:00,769 --> 00:33:06,228 MUSIC 531 00:33:18,831 --> 00:33:20,613 Well there are certainly primary residences 532 00:33:20,697 --> 00:33:22,572 here in Westhampton Beach. 533 00:33:23,376 --> 00:33:25,206 But for the most part they're secondary. 534 00:33:26,542 --> 00:33:28,616 Some of these homes are third and fourth homes 535 00:33:28,697 --> 00:33:30,613 for some of the people here. 536 00:33:35,081 --> 00:33:37,447 You can certainly get a small cottage here 537 00:33:37,488 --> 00:33:40,738 somewhere in 500,000 to 1 million dollars 538 00:33:40,822 --> 00:33:42,988 but the lower end properties are rare 539 00:33:43,030 --> 00:33:46,280 and you generally need to really put some money into them 540 00:33:46,322 --> 00:33:47,988 to make them liveable. 541 00:33:52,034 --> 00:33:54,773 With that said you can certainly afford a house here 542 00:33:54,854 --> 00:34:00,135 around 900,000 dollars or way up to 10, 12, 20 million dollars. 543 00:34:00,548 --> 00:34:04,346 So depending on how much money you have in your back pocket. 544 00:34:12,713 --> 00:34:15,380 So we're about 2 weeks away from being complete. 545 00:34:15,464 --> 00:34:18,464 Home-owners taking possession in about 2 weeks time. 546 00:34:18,505 --> 00:34:19,463 It's stunning. 547 00:34:19,505 --> 00:34:23,380 Thank you. Right now we're just doing a final punch list 548 00:34:23,422 --> 00:34:27,505 and walk-through and final touch ups as you can see. 549 00:34:28,547 --> 00:34:32,412 Great raised panel detail. Custom kitchens. 550 00:34:32,493 --> 00:34:34,195 It's really coming along amazingly. 551 00:34:34,276 --> 00:34:35,149 Thank you. 552 00:34:35,230 --> 00:34:37,380 The gentleman who bought the house 553 00:34:37,463 --> 00:34:40,380 is a chief operating officer of a hedge fund in Manhattan. 554 00:34:41,068 --> 00:34:43,505 And this is their summer home here in the Hamptons. 555 00:34:43,547 --> 00:34:45,990 They have another home up in West Chester, Upper New York. 556 00:34:46,404 --> 00:34:49,295 Here's your home audio control for system. 557 00:34:49,376 --> 00:34:52,514 Again he's able to control the house anywhere in the country 558 00:34:52,630 --> 00:34:54,467 or anywhere in the world as a matter of fact. 559 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,797 It used to be that more was better. 560 00:34:57,878 --> 00:35:01,373 More was more impressive. More was everything. 561 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,353 I think what we have in Westhampton Beach 562 00:35:03,434 --> 00:35:06,922 is what most people are looking for, which is simpler. 563 00:35:07,005 --> 00:35:10,128 It used to be the 10,000, 15,000 square foot house 564 00:35:10,209 --> 00:35:11,047 had to be. 565 00:35:11,130 --> 00:35:15,755 Today that smart money is saying 566 00:35:16,086 --> 00:35:17,623 I want to simplify my life. 567 00:35:19,896 --> 00:35:24,146 People are keen to want to scale down. 568 00:35:24,912 --> 00:35:26,998 That's what Westhampton Beach offers to people. 569 00:35:27,079 --> 00:35:29,204 It offers them a simpler life. 570 00:35:29,755 --> 00:35:32,422 Do I need the 17,000 square foot home 571 00:35:32,588 --> 00:35:36,209 or really can I survive with the 8,000 square foot home? 572 00:35:38,297 --> 00:35:39,545 There's plenty here. 573 00:35:39,626 --> 00:35:41,701 And you still get the Hampton address. 574 00:35:44,374 --> 00:35:49,295 MUSIC 575 00:35:52,088 --> 00:35:54,713 As you go up the income distribution scale 576 00:35:54,755 --> 00:35:57,630 what people spend their money on changes. 577 00:35:58,380 --> 00:36:01,755 So that consumer goods relatively decrease. 578 00:36:01,838 --> 00:36:03,505 Housing increases a lot. 579 00:36:03,547 --> 00:36:06,630 But then when you finally get to the top of the economy 580 00:36:07,005 --> 00:36:09,922 they're spending most of their money on assets 581 00:36:10,005 --> 00:36:11,922 rather than manufactured goods. 582 00:36:14,297 --> 00:36:18,505 And so this upwards income redistribution in itself. 583 00:36:18,588 --> 00:36:21,380 tends to ignite asset bubbles 584 00:36:21,630 --> 00:36:24,838 That process of income distribution 585 00:36:24,838 --> 00:36:27,922 created a bidding for houses indirectly. 586 00:36:28,630 --> 00:36:32,213 The people at the top of the income ladder buy mansions. 587 00:36:32,755 --> 00:36:35,838 People in the middle don't seem offended by that in America. 588 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,005 They want to see pictures of the mansions 589 00:36:38,005 --> 00:36:40,713 But what does happen is that when the people 590 00:36:40,755 --> 00:36:43,963 people at the top build bigger their bigger houses shift 591 00:36:44,005 --> 00:36:46,588 the frame of reference for people who are near them 592 00:36:46,630 --> 00:36:47,756 in the income distribution. 593 00:36:47,837 --> 00:36:50,264 People have a lot of money but not quite at the top. 594 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,428 MUSIC 595 00:37:05,297 --> 00:37:08,255 So you get a cascade one stage at a time 596 00:37:08,297 --> 00:37:11,130 that drifts down through the income distribution. 597 00:37:13,088 --> 00:37:16,213 The medium family now if it wants to buy 598 00:37:16,297 --> 00:37:18,463 the medium priced new house for its area 599 00:37:18,505 --> 00:37:22,713 it's got to buy one that's now 2400 square feet in size. 600 00:37:23,547 --> 00:37:26,713 In 1970 it was about 1600 square feet. 601 00:37:27,172 --> 00:37:30,463 So 50 per cent larger house you have to buy if you want to match 602 00:37:30,463 --> 00:37:32,797 the spending of people at your income level 603 00:37:32,922 --> 00:37:34,422 if you're in the middle. 604 00:37:34,463 --> 00:37:35,755 Well maybe you shouldn't 605 00:37:35,797 --> 00:37:37,755 because you don't have any more money, 606 00:37:37,797 --> 00:37:39,338 you can't afford that house 607 00:37:39,380 --> 00:37:41,380 but then you say well if I don't match the spending 608 00:37:41,422 --> 00:37:42,880 of people in my area 609 00:37:42,963 --> 00:37:45,755 it'll be my kids who go to the inferior schools because there's 610 00:37:45,797 --> 00:37:48,963 a very tight link between how good the schools are in the area 611 00:37:49,005 --> 00:37:50,713 and how much the houses cost. 612 00:37:51,130 --> 00:37:54,463 So it's really a dilemma for the family in the middle. 613 00:37:58,015 --> 00:38:00,473 Oh I don't know what to do Jenny. 614 00:38:01,788 --> 00:38:04,621 I want that house so bad I can taste it. 615 00:38:05,676 --> 00:38:07,343 Maybe we ought to wait. 616 00:38:08,005 --> 00:38:10,713 My colleague Carl Case and I we wanted to find out 617 00:38:10,797 --> 00:38:13,338 what were the dynamics of home prices and there was 618 00:38:13,380 --> 00:38:17,838 surprisingly little academic or scholarly literature on it. 619 00:38:17,922 --> 00:38:22,547 Someone would publish a paper in you know, 1953 or something 620 00:38:22,588 --> 00:38:25,505 and then it would just be forgotten. 621 00:38:26,963 --> 00:38:29,130 I'd find them in dusty volumes. 622 00:38:30,172 --> 00:38:32,422 And I thought well I'll link them together. 623 00:38:32,422 --> 00:38:35,505 So I created for the United States a home price index 624 00:38:35,547 --> 00:38:37,588 from 1890 to the present. 625 00:38:43,047 --> 00:38:44,922 And when I corrected these for inflation, 626 00:38:44,963 --> 00:38:47,005 consumer price index inflation, 627 00:38:47,047 --> 00:38:51,255 to my surprise there was no increase in home prices . 628 00:38:51,297 --> 00:38:54,213 from 1890 to 1990. 629 00:38:56,005 --> 00:38:57,797 It was just the same. 630 00:39:01,255 --> 00:39:03,672 And then there was this huge bubble in the US 631 00:39:03,713 --> 00:39:05,047 starting in 2000. 632 00:39:12,603 --> 00:39:14,478 And that was the only one. 633 00:39:19,803 --> 00:39:22,630 Savers and home-owners are capitalists. 634 00:39:22,797 --> 00:39:25,422 They've worked and saved to make the biggest 635 00:39:25,463 --> 00:39:27,797 single purchase in their lifetimes. 636 00:39:28,162 --> 00:39:30,505 They have a share of America's wealth. 637 00:39:30,713 --> 00:39:33,880 They've seen capitalism work and they've made it work 638 00:39:33,922 --> 00:39:36,672 at home and at their own communities. 639 00:39:36,714 --> 00:39:38,714 On the one hand you have home-buyers 640 00:39:38,797 --> 00:39:40,505 struggling to make ends meet, 641 00:39:40,547 --> 00:39:43,005 looking for the only way they know how to 642 00:39:43,047 --> 00:39:44,797 make money in our economy 643 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:46,797 They can't make money through their labour 644 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,547 so but maybe they can make it through 645 00:39:49,588 --> 00:39:52,005 buying a house and seeing the value of that house increase. 646 00:39:52,463 --> 00:39:56,005 So people look to mortgages, these easy to get mortgages 647 00:39:56,088 --> 00:39:59,422 as a way to finally get their share of the American dream. 648 00:39:59,713 --> 00:40:02,505 And on the other hand the income inequality produced 649 00:40:02,588 --> 00:40:05,713 a ready supply of capital at the top to be invested as well 650 00:40:05,755 --> 00:40:08,088 in these kinds of mortgages 651 00:40:08,130 --> 00:40:10,880 so while the top was not willing to pay 652 00:40:10,922 --> 00:40:13,963 the bottom wages, they were willing to lend them money. 653 00:40:23,547 --> 00:40:28,505 In a typical city or town, on a typical residential street, 654 00:40:29,005 --> 00:40:33,172 we find a typical home occupied by a typical America family. 655 00:40:35,422 --> 00:40:37,463 Like millions of his fellow Americans, 656 00:40:37,505 --> 00:40:39,630 John Q Public earns enough money 657 00:40:39,672 --> 00:40:41,838 to keep up the payments on a new car. 658 00:40:47,338 --> 00:40:49,617 He takes great pride in owning a fine, new, 659 00:40:49,698 --> 00:40:52,150 long-term mortgaged home, that was built to last a lifetime. 660 00:40:52,231 --> 00:40:54,606 that was built to last a lifetime. 661 00:40:57,088 --> 00:40:59,273 The way in which mortgages have been sold 662 00:40:59,354 --> 00:41:01,208 has changed tremendously over the 20th century. 663 00:41:01,289 --> 00:41:02,414 Sign right here. 664 00:41:02,881 --> 00:41:04,881 Mmm, mind if I read it first. 665 00:41:05,005 --> 00:41:07,422 In the 1920s, there were a variety of ways to borrow 666 00:41:07,463 --> 00:41:08,463 for a mortgage. 667 00:41:08,547 --> 00:41:10,713 Things that seem as though they were just invented 668 00:41:10,755 --> 00:41:12,588 a few years ago were actually commonplace, 669 00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:13,755 like balloon mortgages, 670 00:41:13,797 --> 00:41:16,130 or interest-only mortgages for houses. 671 00:41:16,213 --> 00:41:18,005 Thousands of people get a big thrill 672 00:41:18,047 --> 00:41:19,838 out of looking at model houses, 673 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,755 and a much bigger thrill when they buy one. 674 00:41:21,838 --> 00:41:23,630 They can be amortised, or unamortised. 675 00:41:23,672 --> 00:41:25,755 They can be three years. They can be ten years. 676 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,172 ...going to a model house now. Suppose we follow them. 677 00:41:30,047 --> 00:41:32,922 The husband apparently isn't very keen about it all, 678 00:41:32,963 --> 00:41:34,755 but you know how wives are. 679 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,213 So they would borrow some large fraction of the house 680 00:41:37,255 --> 00:41:40,047 and then refinance it in three to five years. 681 00:41:41,047 --> 00:41:43,255 It's a part of what causes the mortgage crisis 682 00:41:43,297 --> 00:41:44,630 of the Great Depression 683 00:41:44,672 --> 00:41:47,588 is that suddenly not just that everyone lost their job, 684 00:41:47,672 --> 00:41:49,755 because a lot of people obviously lost their job, 685 00:41:51,047 --> 00:41:54,672 but that investors fled the mortgage investment market. 686 00:41:55,422 --> 00:41:57,047 So in response to this, 687 00:41:57,089 --> 00:41:59,339 the Federal Government developed the FHA... 688 00:42:03,297 --> 00:42:05,213 ...the Federal Housing Administration. 689 00:42:05,422 --> 00:42:08,588 Do you know how far your pay will go in buying a house? 690 00:42:08,672 --> 00:42:11,297 It may surprise you to learn that you can become 691 00:42:11,338 --> 00:42:13,505 a home-owner even on a small salary 692 00:42:13,547 --> 00:42:15,422 with a National Housing Act insured mortgage. 693 00:42:15,463 --> 00:42:18,338 The FHA standardised the criteria for a good mortgage, 694 00:42:18,380 --> 00:42:20,838 by banking its standard it made it into a commodity 695 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,505 that could be resold anywhere in America. 696 00:42:23,588 --> 00:42:26,338 It enabled investors in New York to be able to invest 697 00:42:26,380 --> 00:42:27,922 in Texas or California. 698 00:42:27,963 --> 00:42:31,213 Home ownership is the basis of a happy, contented family life. 699 00:42:31,755 --> 00:42:33,213 And now, through the use of 700 00:42:33,255 --> 00:42:34,963 a National Housing Act insured mortgage, 701 00:42:35,005 --> 00:42:37,172 is brought within the reach of all citizens 702 00:42:37,213 --> 00:42:38,505 on a monthly payment... 703 00:42:38,547 --> 00:42:41,465 The FHA underwriters' manual had very explicit criteria 704 00:42:41,505 --> 00:42:44,130 for what made for a good investment. 705 00:42:44,213 --> 00:42:46,213 So 20 percent, for instance, 706 00:42:46,216 --> 00:42:48,174 of whether a mortgage should be approved or not 707 00:42:48,255 --> 00:42:50,505 depended on whether or not there was class 708 00:42:50,547 --> 00:42:52,463 and race mixing in a neighbourhood. 709 00:42:52,463 --> 00:42:55,047 And so if there were restrictive deeds 710 00:42:55,088 --> 00:42:58,005 to keep out Jews, Asians and, most importantly, 711 00:42:58,047 --> 00:43:00,963 African-Americans, it was considered a good investment. 712 00:43:03,851 --> 00:43:06,880 Under these roofs Americans can live as Americans should. 713 00:43:06,922 --> 00:43:09,297 These pleasant, helpful surroundings provide 714 00:43:09,338 --> 00:43:11,546 the background that young Americans need and deserve. 715 00:43:11,627 --> 00:43:13,422 Through this policy there was the co-creation 716 00:43:13,505 --> 00:43:15,755 of both the ghetto and the suburb, 717 00:43:15,797 --> 00:43:19,547 and the consequence was that mortgage capital flooded 718 00:43:19,588 --> 00:43:23,797 from basically New York City into suburbs around the country. 719 00:43:24,005 --> 00:43:27,255 It made it very difficult for people who lived in the city, 720 00:43:27,255 --> 00:43:30,297 particularly areas that were multiracial or multi-ethnic, 721 00:43:30,338 --> 00:43:31,755 to get mortgage loans. 722 00:43:31,797 --> 00:43:34,172 And over time, over 30 / 40 years, 723 00:43:34,172 --> 00:43:37,713 those kinds of markets and the housing deteriorated... 724 00:43:40,461 --> 00:43:45,294 and it helped bring about what we see as the urban crisis. 725 00:43:51,419 --> 00:43:55,961 MUSIC 726 00:44:16,679 --> 00:44:21,265 This is Bedford-Stuyvesant in Brooklyn in New York City. 727 00:44:22,272 --> 00:44:25,872 There are something like 2.3 / 2.4 million people 728 00:44:25,953 --> 00:44:28,036 living just in Brooklyn alone. 729 00:44:30,523 --> 00:44:32,445 This is a very vibrant community. 730 00:44:32,625 --> 00:44:35,133 There is a lot of immigrants who live here 731 00:44:35,532 --> 00:44:38,866 and a lot of old time New Yorkers, Brooklynites, 732 00:44:38,947 --> 00:44:41,078 families that have lived here through the generations. 733 00:44:45,947 --> 00:44:50,991 The work that I do, I started doing it in the early 1990s 734 00:44:51,072 --> 00:44:55,405 and the work was about getting access 735 00:44:55,488 --> 00:44:57,905 to loans in neighbourhoods 736 00:44:57,947 --> 00:45:01,239 that had been historically redlined, which means 737 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,905 they were cut off from access to banking services. 738 00:45:04,988 --> 00:45:07,197 Bank branches either weren't there 739 00:45:07,238 --> 00:45:08,828 or long abandoned the community. 740 00:45:10,613 --> 00:45:13,155 So we were working with community groups to try 741 00:45:13,197 --> 00:45:15,655 to get banks to make loans in neighbourhoods 742 00:45:15,697 --> 00:45:18,655 that had been cut off from financial services. 743 00:45:19,697 --> 00:45:22,036 By the mid 1990s, the picture 744 00:45:22,117 --> 00:45:24,113 was just changing right in front of us, 745 00:45:24,155 --> 00:45:27,363 because these same neighbourhoods were suddenly 746 00:45:27,405 --> 00:45:28,738 flooded with credit. 747 00:45:32,780 --> 00:45:36,780 Consumer finance companies and other lenders had realised 748 00:45:36,822 --> 00:45:39,155 that there was a lot of money to be made 749 00:45:39,197 --> 00:45:43,238 by making mortgages in neighbourhoods that had been 750 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,072 cut off from mainstream banking. 751 00:45:49,113 --> 00:45:53,363 So much money was being made during the eighties and nineties 752 00:45:53,488 --> 00:45:56,155 that investors had to put it somewhere. 753 00:45:56,197 --> 00:45:58,780 And not just money being made in the United States, 754 00:45:58,822 --> 00:46:00,086 but all over the world. 755 00:46:00,167 --> 00:46:04,078 I mean, with oil you know, with the rise of China, 756 00:46:04,159 --> 00:46:06,655 there's a lot of money that's sloshing around the world. 757 00:46:06,697 --> 00:46:10,030 Capitalism works. And it's because capitalism works 758 00:46:10,072 --> 00:46:12,697 that there's more money to invest than ever before, 759 00:46:13,822 --> 00:46:17,530 so people began to invest a lot in mortgages. 760 00:46:20,088 --> 00:46:24,673 MUSIC 761 00:46:38,238 --> 00:46:41,238 Dynamic Credit's a specialist investment manager. 762 00:46:41,319 --> 00:46:45,361 We manage portfolios of financial products 763 00:46:45,744 --> 00:46:47,337 called mortgage securities. 764 00:46:48,893 --> 00:46:51,986 It really began in the late 1980s. 765 00:46:53,181 --> 00:46:56,199 Banks, who made mortgage loans, didn't wanna sit and hold 766 00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,282 those mortgage loans for their full term. 767 00:46:58,363 --> 00:47:01,113 But they were ten year, 15 year or 30-year loans, 768 00:47:01,194 --> 00:47:03,279 they were clogging up the capacity of the bank. 769 00:47:03,323 --> 00:47:04,993 You'd lend out the money and it would take 770 00:47:05,074 --> 00:47:06,365 all that time to get it back in. 771 00:47:06,446 --> 00:47:08,376 You're far better off originating the mortgage 772 00:47:08,457 --> 00:47:09,525 and selling it off. 773 00:47:10,573 --> 00:47:13,698 The origins of secularisation were to take those mortgages 774 00:47:13,738 --> 00:47:16,907 on a pooled basis and form CDOs out of them, 775 00:47:17,220 --> 00:47:18,798 Collatorised Debt Obligations. 776 00:47:19,780 --> 00:47:22,907 CDO is that kind of conglomeration of 777 00:47:22,988 --> 00:47:26,072 mortgage backed securities that can be sold 778 00:47:26,113 --> 00:47:27,905 into the capital markets. 779 00:47:31,197 --> 00:47:34,947 Have you guys heard about toxic asset, yeah? 780 00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:38,572 I'm gonna show you guys what a toxic asset looks like. 781 00:47:38,655 --> 00:47:42,861 I'm gonna let you guys touch and feel this toxic asset. 782 00:47:43,657 --> 00:47:48,157 Be careful when you handle this because it's toxic, right? 783 00:47:48,238 --> 00:47:55,389 So this is a first page of a legal document 784 00:47:55,470 --> 00:47:58,532 of a CDO - Collaterised Debt Obligation. 785 00:47:58,626 --> 00:48:01,738 And the actual document itself is an inch thick. 786 00:48:01,780 --> 00:48:04,863 What it does it tells you how the CDO works. 787 00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:08,186 You basically take a pool of any regular 788 00:48:08,267 --> 00:48:11,467 cash-producing instruments, like a mortgage, credit card, 789 00:48:11,548 --> 00:48:14,990 corporate loans, you pull it together, you tronch it up, 790 00:48:15,030 --> 00:48:18,072 layer it and risk, different risk layers, 791 00:48:18,197 --> 00:48:21,738 and then you sell that to investors around the world. OK? 792 00:48:21,780 --> 00:48:23,822 That's essentially what a CDO is. It's sort of like 793 00:48:23,863 --> 00:48:26,822 a Frankenstein sort of security, that's what it is. 794 00:48:33,905 --> 00:48:36,322 There are a lot of attractions to doing CDOs 795 00:48:36,363 --> 00:48:38,280 on the money management side, 796 00:48:38,322 --> 00:48:41,030 you get paid anywhere from one tenth of one percent per annum 797 00:48:41,072 --> 00:48:43,933 on multiple billions of dollars, which could mean 798 00:48:44,014 --> 00:48:45,831 a couple of million dollars a year fees, 799 00:48:45,912 --> 00:48:48,925 to a half a percent per annum on a couple of hundred million 800 00:48:49,006 --> 00:48:50,599 perhaps corporate credit portfolio, 801 00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,164 which again could mean a couple of million dollars a year fees. 802 00:48:53,245 --> 00:48:55,933 And the best part of that was, most of the work 803 00:48:56,014 --> 00:48:58,472 went into selecting a portfolio on day one, 804 00:48:58,553 --> 00:49:00,470 then you were paid over years of time for 805 00:49:00,740 --> 00:49:02,803 I'd say doing a little bit more than babysitting. 806 00:49:04,824 --> 00:49:06,574 Ow! 807 00:49:07,014 --> 00:49:11,513 I would start with a nice clean portfolio of triple A, double A 808 00:49:11,555 --> 00:49:15,513 and perhaps some single A mortgage backed securities, 809 00:49:16,180 --> 00:49:19,305 but I'd have to add something else, what we all juice. 810 00:49:21,180 --> 00:49:24,805 It's an extra element of risk which would pay a higher yield. 811 00:49:32,055 --> 00:49:35,180 At the time, there was a lot of talk about Liars Loans. 812 00:49:35,472 --> 00:49:38,138 The kind of loan that Patty and I got 813 00:49:38,180 --> 00:49:41,430 was one step further down on the credibility ladder 814 00:49:41,472 --> 00:49:43,490 which was called a no-ratio loan, 815 00:49:43,638 --> 00:49:46,055 in which I literally didn't disclose my income. 816 00:49:51,458 --> 00:49:56,208 The house cost 460,000 dollars which, even to me, 817 00:49:56,289 --> 00:49:59,622 was at that time an astounding amount of money. 818 00:50:00,430 --> 00:50:04,513 The problem that I had was huge child support payments 819 00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:08,388 to my ex-wife, as well as alimony, 820 00:50:08,472 --> 00:50:10,972 so I was paying out about 4,000 dollars a month, 821 00:50:11,305 --> 00:50:14,222 which is well over half of my take-home pay, 822 00:50:14,263 --> 00:50:16,555 well over half of my take-home pay. 823 00:50:16,722 --> 00:50:18,263 Mmm, that's disappointing. 824 00:50:18,305 --> 00:50:21,597 Oh, not necessarily, let that be our problem 825 00:50:21,972 --> 00:50:24,490 Borrowing the money, even under my circumstances, 826 00:50:24,571 --> 00:50:26,016 was the easiest thing in the world. 827 00:50:26,545 --> 00:50:28,537 The only thing the lender knew, 828 00:50:28,618 --> 00:50:30,535 the only thing that they wanted to know, 829 00:50:30,616 --> 00:50:33,991 was that I had a credit rating of over 700m, 830 00:50:34,888 --> 00:50:37,972 that the house had been appraised and, you know, 831 00:50:38,043 --> 00:50:43,085 was worth what the purchase pirce was, and that I had a job. 832 00:50:43,180 --> 00:50:45,180 They did confirm I had a job, 833 00:50:45,263 --> 00:50:47,600 but they didn't try to confirm what the income would be. 834 00:50:47,681 --> 00:50:50,473 Well, what are we waiting for? 835 00:50:50,964 --> 00:50:53,089 For me it wasn't a tall a financial investment. 836 00:50:53,170 --> 00:50:55,623 I had no expectation that I was gonna make 837 00:50:55,704 --> 00:50:57,913 make a bundle of money on the rising value of the house. 838 00:50:58,060 --> 00:51:00,519 It's a hormonal thing. 839 00:51:01,638 --> 00:51:05,263 It's a cornerstone to keeping your family together. 840 00:51:06,388 --> 00:51:09,805 It's a ticket to, you know, continued membership 841 00:51:09,886 --> 00:51:11,303 in the middle class. 842 00:51:11,638 --> 00:51:13,638 You know here I had been through this pseudo 843 00:51:13,763 --> 00:51:16,233 kind of traumatic, dramatic, you know, 844 00:51:16,314 --> 00:51:19,807 divorce and remarriage, this was normalcy again. 845 00:51:19,888 --> 00:51:21,930 I could still be a normal guy. 846 00:51:23,108 --> 00:51:27,178 MUSIC 847 00:51:32,430 --> 00:51:35,013 I used to have my own optical store. 848 00:51:35,222 --> 00:51:38,608 I needed financial help, so I went to the bank. 849 00:51:38,689 --> 00:51:41,356 And I found that each time I was talking 850 00:51:41,472 --> 00:51:44,138 to some financial people, they was asking me 851 00:51:44,219 --> 00:51:46,094 if I have a house. 852 00:51:46,222 --> 00:51:49,013 And they did explain to me that if I have a house, 853 00:51:49,097 --> 00:51:51,555 it would be like a collateral. 854 00:51:51,763 --> 00:51:55,472 So after I close my business, I told me my new adventure 855 00:51:55,555 --> 00:51:57,555 would be to get myself a house. 856 00:51:57,597 --> 00:52:00,347 And then from a house I can get myself another business. 857 00:52:02,222 --> 00:52:04,930 So we came here and I liked the house. 858 00:52:05,464 --> 00:52:10,881 He told me the house was 679,000 dollars. 859 00:52:11,561 --> 00:52:15,295 679,000 dollars! 860 00:52:16,388 --> 00:52:19,472 I tried to get some older real estate, 861 00:52:19,597 --> 00:52:23,013 but in this neighbourhood the price is about the same. 862 00:52:23,263 --> 00:52:26,847 But he told me, you know what, it's a two family house too. 863 00:52:26,888 --> 00:52:30,847 You can render all the part and you can do the basement. 864 00:52:32,138 --> 00:52:37,388 They tell me you're going to pay about 4,000 dollars a month. 865 00:52:37,555 --> 00:52:40,555 I said, "Listen, 4,000 is very expensive." 866 00:52:40,597 --> 00:52:42,555 They told me don't worry about it, 867 00:52:42,597 --> 00:52:44,597 after a year you can refinance. 868 00:52:44,638 --> 00:52:48,430 When you refinance you can get the mortgage go lower. 869 00:52:48,555 --> 00:52:51,888 So don't worry, going for me just for one year. 870 00:52:59,264 --> 00:53:03,930 So we're gonna just do some quick announcements 871 00:53:04,011 --> 00:53:05,779 and then turn it over to Herman. 872 00:53:06,138 --> 00:53:08,516 We've gotten quite a number of folks calling us 873 00:53:08,597 --> 00:53:10,472 for foreclosure assistance. 874 00:53:10,513 --> 00:53:12,972 I don't know if you wanna highlight what's been going on? 875 00:53:13,013 --> 00:53:14,555 We got four last week. 876 00:53:14,597 --> 00:53:16,990 I mean there just a bunch of home-owners who are in loans 877 00:53:17,071 --> 00:53:18,592 that were much too expensive for them. 878 00:53:18,673 --> 00:53:20,889 The majority of the loans that were generated 879 00:53:20,970 --> 00:53:22,810 and then sold to Wall Street to be securitised 880 00:53:22,891 --> 00:53:24,021 were refinanced loans. 881 00:53:24,102 --> 00:53:26,490 They weren't adding to home ownership, 882 00:53:26,571 --> 00:53:27,943 they were taking away and they were 883 00:53:28,024 --> 00:53:30,563 deteriorating home-ownership. 884 00:53:30,644 --> 00:53:32,251 Right, I was just gonna say, according to 885 00:53:32,332 --> 00:53:34,832 the Federal Reserve it's something like 77 percent 886 00:53:34,913 --> 00:53:36,243 of the sub-prime loans made 887 00:53:36,324 --> 00:53:38,422 were refinancing loans, so they were loans 888 00:53:38,503 --> 00:53:41,071 made to people who also, to add to what Josh was saying 889 00:53:41,152 --> 00:53:43,461 had built up a lot of equity in their home, so they have 890 00:53:43,542 --> 00:53:45,352 a lot of wealth that they'd build up. 891 00:53:45,847 --> 00:53:50,126 And there were lenders and brokers and contractors 892 00:53:50,207 --> 00:53:54,367 who were all working together to try and get people in the loans 893 00:53:54,448 --> 00:53:56,540 without any regard to whether they were affordable, 894 00:53:56,621 --> 00:53:58,992 because they knew that they could turn around and sell them 895 00:53:59,073 --> 00:54:02,415 the next day to Wall Street investment banks at a premium 896 00:54:02,496 --> 00:54:03,633 and make a profit. 897 00:54:03,714 --> 00:54:05,908 And they knew that they could charge high fees upfront. 898 00:54:05,989 --> 00:54:09,118 Every time the loan is refinanced, the borrower, 899 00:54:09,199 --> 00:54:11,907 and this is what the incentive is for the broker and the lender 900 00:54:11,988 --> 00:54:13,751 to keep flipping the loans, is that 901 00:54:13,832 --> 00:54:16,516 they're charging more upfront points and fees. 902 00:54:16,597 --> 00:54:19,223 And what that does is it strips out the equity 903 00:54:19,304 --> 00:54:20,971 each time more and more. 904 00:54:21,052 --> 00:54:23,659 If you look at the deed records for neighbourhoods, 905 00:54:23,740 --> 00:54:26,047 particularly neighbourhoods of colour in New York City 906 00:54:26,128 --> 00:54:27,860 where there's a high rate of home ownership, 907 00:54:28,089 --> 00:54:31,026 you'll see so many homes where people were refinanced 908 00:54:31,107 --> 00:54:34,618 over and over and over several times in one year 909 00:54:34,699 --> 00:54:37,344 sometimes until their equity is gone and they lose the house. 910 00:54:40,035 --> 00:54:42,376 MUSIC 911 00:54:45,940 --> 00:54:49,611 The banks were interested in maximising transaction cost. 912 00:54:49,977 --> 00:54:51,846 One could understand, that's capitalism, 913 00:54:51,927 --> 00:54:55,275 that maximise their profits, but... 914 00:54:56,189 --> 00:54:59,564 they were doing it at the expense of the poorest Americans 915 00:55:00,678 --> 00:55:02,510 There were attempts to try to stop this. 916 00:55:02,591 --> 00:55:04,861 It was clear that it was predatorial lending, 917 00:55:06,177 --> 00:55:08,158 but they fought back. 918 00:55:09,955 --> 00:55:13,747 They stopped the legislation that was moving forward 919 00:55:13,789 --> 00:55:15,872 to stop the predatory lending. 920 00:55:17,768 --> 00:55:21,788 I've seen this. I've seen the kind of lending patterns. 921 00:55:21,869 --> 00:55:24,300 I've seen what they've done to some of these poor people. 922 00:55:24,363 --> 00:55:28,057 And let me tell you, it is outrageous. 923 00:55:28,784 --> 00:55:29,650 AMBIENT SOUND 924 00:55:32,529 --> 00:55:37,834 If you are asking me who do I blame for my own mortgage wows, 925 00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:41,584 I will tell you absolutely certainly I blame myself. 926 00:55:41,630 --> 00:55:43,627 and I don't put the blame on anybody else 927 00:55:43,752 --> 00:55:47,234 I knew exactly what I was getting into, 928 00:55:47,315 --> 00:55:52,315 and I knew better actually than most other borrowers. 929 00:55:54,873 --> 00:55:57,340 We began to struggle very quickly. 930 00:55:57,412 --> 00:56:00,396 We ran through what little extra cash cushion 931 00:56:00,436 --> 00:56:02,341 I had left in my savings, 932 00:56:02,701 --> 00:56:04,927 then we were borrowing 933 00:56:05,772 --> 00:56:06,813 I hate this. 934 00:56:07,114 --> 00:56:09,150 And we were borrowing more than we realised 935 00:56:09,231 --> 00:56:11,847 through our credit cards to keep ourselves afloat. 936 00:56:12,369 --> 00:56:15,415 But, you know, sometimes these things work. 937 00:56:16,179 --> 00:56:21,560 We were borrowing on average an extra 2,000 dollars a month. 938 00:56:21,672 --> 00:56:23,327 But where would this go then? 939 00:56:23,408 --> 00:56:26,370 The staggering amount of money and the interest rates 940 00:56:26,451 --> 00:56:28,575 on that money were just through the roof. 941 00:56:28,656 --> 00:56:32,747 And I was trying to figure out what in God's name to do 942 00:56:32,815 --> 00:56:37,057 and that's when I called my friendly mortgage broker 943 00:56:37,102 --> 00:56:40,104 and started wailing about my problems. 944 00:56:40,386 --> 00:56:44,482 (phone ringing) Oh, excuse me. Chandler speaking. 945 00:56:44,737 --> 00:56:47,937 He said, look, I'll figure a way out of this, 946 00:56:47,988 --> 00:56:49,255 and indeed he did. 947 00:56:49,401 --> 00:56:51,485 Oh, oh, put him on. 948 00:56:51,726 --> 00:56:54,859 The value of the house had gone up about 10 percent 949 00:56:54,940 --> 00:56:56,340 over those two years. 950 00:56:56,776 --> 00:56:57,651 Yes, sir. 951 00:56:57,839 --> 00:57:00,906 And we ended up boosting the amount we had borrowed, 952 00:57:00,987 --> 00:57:02,302 another 50,000 dollars. 953 00:57:02,476 --> 00:57:03,768 I thought you would. 954 00:57:03,849 --> 00:57:07,763 The theory of the whole manoeuvre was if I... 955 00:57:08,209 --> 00:57:13,793 borrow more against the house, and pay off my credit cards, 956 00:57:14,014 --> 00:57:16,544 my credit scores automatically go up. 957 00:57:16,625 --> 00:57:19,599 Even though the total volume of debt is exactly as high, 958 00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:21,724 maybe a little higher, than it was before. 959 00:57:22,271 --> 00:57:25,317 And because I've got those higher credit scores, 960 00:57:25,398 --> 00:57:27,763 now I can get a slightly cheaper loan. 961 00:57:28,456 --> 00:57:30,915 Go figure! It makes no sense at all. 962 00:57:30,997 --> 00:57:36,111 You have to be pulling the wool over your eyes aggressively 963 00:57:36,192 --> 00:57:37,401 to believe this kind of stuff. 964 00:57:37,622 --> 00:57:39,831 Now we are beginning to see something of 965 00:57:39,873 --> 00:57:41,513 what a mortgage banker really does. 966 00:57:41,594 --> 00:57:45,041 A full and active life he leads, much of it behind the scenes, 967 00:57:45,122 --> 00:57:46,958 or the betterment of the community. 968 00:57:47,507 --> 00:57:50,632 The reason why the money, this capital, 969 00:57:50,654 --> 00:57:52,724 gets allocated into consumer debt 970 00:57:52,805 --> 00:57:55,615 and gets allocated into mortgage debt, is because 971 00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:59,319 it has a better return than investing it in businesses, 972 00:57:59,351 --> 00:58:02,616 than investing it in factories or things that make things. 973 00:58:02,804 --> 00:58:05,671 And it's the simple banal calculation 974 00:58:05,744 --> 00:58:07,351 that's behind all of this, 975 00:58:07,398 --> 00:58:10,226 it's not some greedy Wall Street banker. 976 00:58:10,281 --> 00:58:12,983 and all capitalists, are always greedy, 977 00:58:13,038 --> 00:58:14,882 that's the basis of our entire system. 978 00:58:14,914 --> 00:58:17,706 It's that the opportunities for investment 979 00:58:17,953 --> 00:58:20,132 are different than they used to be. 980 00:58:21,091 --> 00:58:23,437 And that a dollar put into credit card debt, or into 981 00:58:23,475 --> 00:58:26,023 mortgage debt, makes you more than a dollar 982 00:58:26,044 --> 00:58:27,378 put into a factory. 983 00:58:31,258 --> 00:58:37,093 MUSIC 984 00:58:50,831 --> 00:58:52,739 Most of the buildings around here had sprung up 985 00:58:52,820 --> 00:58:54,582 within the last five years. 986 00:58:55,231 --> 00:58:57,724 I think this building over here, they're still building, 987 00:58:57,912 --> 00:59:01,058 even though there's close to 20,000 units that are either 988 00:59:01,139 --> 00:59:02,849 available or are gonna be available 989 00:59:02,930 --> 00:59:04,954 in a very short period of time. 990 00:59:06,668 --> 00:59:09,644 And this one just sprung up not too long ago as well. 991 00:59:10,842 --> 00:59:12,842 I think there is 400 units 992 00:59:12,914 --> 00:59:14,914 and there's 50 people in it right now, 993 00:59:14,968 --> 00:59:16,927 so it makes for a lonely existence. 994 00:59:17,943 --> 00:59:20,143 In some buildings they're empty. 995 00:59:21,139 --> 00:59:23,959 But what happens is that these banks, you know, 996 00:59:24,009 --> 00:59:26,365 they get the financing to build these buildings and, 997 00:59:26,404 --> 00:59:28,560 you know, they have to keep building. 998 00:59:36,865 --> 00:59:39,146 Started the mortgage business in 2001 999 00:59:39,170 --> 00:59:42,103 and started in Miami, and started working 1000 00:59:42,122 --> 00:59:44,789 for this company Ameriquest Mortgage. 1001 00:59:45,436 --> 00:59:47,850 Last year as a branch manager I made 1002 00:59:48,037 --> 00:59:49,529 little under1 million dollars, 1003 00:59:49,834 --> 00:59:52,567 nine hundred and 30 something thousand. 1004 00:59:53,522 --> 00:59:56,788 And most of the work that I did was refinance. 1005 00:59:57,636 --> 01:00:00,104 Sixty percent of it was for debt consolidation 1006 01:00:00,147 --> 01:00:02,396 and the other 30-40 percent was cash out. 1007 01:00:08,084 --> 01:00:10,701 We felt like we were helping people, you know. 1008 01:00:10,774 --> 01:00:13,406 We'd walk into our office and there was baskets 1009 01:00:13,451 --> 01:00:16,318 of flowers and fruit from people that we refinanced 1010 01:00:16,372 --> 01:00:19,248 that weren't able to refinance and, you know, we got 'em a loan 1011 01:00:19,329 --> 01:00:21,888 and now they were saving 400 or 500 dollars a month, 1012 01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,701 or you know we pulled their house out of foreclosure. 1013 01:00:24,764 --> 01:00:26,897 There was a lot of that we did, 1014 01:00:26,936 --> 01:00:29,869 so how could that not make you feel good? 1015 01:00:31,553 --> 01:00:35,019 At the time it seemed like win, win for everybody. 1016 01:00:37,667 --> 01:00:41,585 It's wonderful, it turns out, that while incomes are falling 1017 01:00:44,626 --> 01:00:46,377 ...house prices were rising. 1018 01:00:49,975 --> 01:00:53,763 As the housing assets grew, and their wages remained stagnant, 1019 01:00:53,876 --> 01:00:56,460 people would borrow money from their houses 1020 01:00:56,500 --> 01:00:58,959 to make up the gap in their wages. 1021 01:01:02,209 --> 01:01:05,459 This fall in the share of the bottom 90 per cent 1022 01:01:05,500 --> 01:01:09,875 represents a transfer upwards 1023 01:01:11,251 --> 01:01:14,918 of roughly one and a half trillion dollars each year 1024 01:01:15,126 --> 01:01:17,543 to the top 1 per cent. 1025 01:01:20,834 --> 01:01:23,084 This enormous upward redistribution 1026 01:01:23,084 --> 01:01:24,418 of American income 1027 01:01:25,335 --> 01:01:28,211 took place in a stable democracy 1028 01:01:29,959 --> 01:01:32,501 with governments that were promoting this 1029 01:01:32,542 --> 01:01:36,667 upwards redistribution being re-elected time and time again. 1030 01:01:39,792 --> 01:01:42,084 It's a very interesting question of how 1031 01:01:42,126 --> 01:01:45,793 how was the American elite able to get away with it. 1032 01:01:50,626 --> 01:01:53,001 When we were doing refinancing, it was very common 1033 01:01:53,043 --> 01:01:55,126 to see people with 20,000 and 30,000 dollars 1034 01:01:55,168 --> 01:01:56,644 worth of credit card debt. 1035 01:01:56,709 --> 01:01:57,668 Holy smokes! 1036 01:02:01,001 --> 01:02:03,376 We've masked a lack of income growth 1037 01:02:03,459 --> 01:02:06,043 by the fact that people have been supporting 1038 01:02:06,084 --> 01:02:08,543 their living standards with more debt. 1039 01:02:10,459 --> 01:02:12,960 So what they were doing is they now had 1040 01:02:13,001 --> 01:02:15,335 all this equity in the properties, 1041 01:02:15,417 --> 01:02:19,084 so a lot of people refinanced to get rid of that debt, 1042 01:02:19,126 --> 01:02:20,710 to consolidate the debt. 1043 01:02:20,792 --> 01:02:25,167 We had, in one year alone, over 900 billion dollars 1044 01:02:25,251 --> 01:02:27,918 in what are called mortgage equity withdrawal, 1045 01:02:27,959 --> 01:02:30,751 much of that money going into consumption. 1046 01:02:32,293 --> 01:02:36,127 So you have roughly one and a half trillion a year going up 1047 01:02:37,209 --> 01:02:41,501 and roughly one trillion a year coming down 1048 01:02:41,584 --> 01:02:45,418 in the form of house equity refinancing. 1049 01:02:46,876 --> 01:02:51,543 If the American population had been receiving something 1050 01:02:51,626 --> 01:02:55,876 like the same income share as in the 1950s and 60s, 1051 01:02:56,043 --> 01:02:58,502 then they would have been able to increase 1052 01:02:58,542 --> 01:03:00,709 their consumption in a sustainable way 1053 01:03:00,751 --> 01:03:03,918 out of rising income, but that's not what happened. 1054 01:03:07,001 --> 01:03:09,793 The fatal flaw was the assumption 1055 01:03:09,834 --> 01:03:12,585 that real estate values would always go up, 1056 01:03:12,626 --> 01:03:15,876 and I think even a fourth grader would be able to tell you 1057 01:03:15,918 --> 01:03:17,210 that's impossible. 1058 01:03:17,251 --> 01:03:20,002 It can't happen. That's contrary to the laws of physics. 1059 01:03:20,043 --> 01:03:21,460 It's contrary to history, 1060 01:03:21,500 --> 01:03:24,418 and yet somehow everyone literally bought into that. 1061 01:03:33,417 --> 01:03:35,667 The problem started after a year. 1062 01:03:35,709 --> 01:03:38,168 "No, you cannot refinance 1063 01:03:38,251 --> 01:03:41,251 because the value of the house went down." 1064 01:03:41,792 --> 01:03:44,710 Then I hear some bell, panic. 1065 01:03:45,043 --> 01:03:47,043 And she told me, "You know what? 1066 01:03:47,084 --> 01:03:50,251 You can do a loan modification, OK?" 1067 01:03:50,417 --> 01:03:53,209 I say, "OK, fine. If I can do a loan modification, 1068 01:03:53,251 --> 01:03:55,169 what is a loan modification?" 1069 01:03:55,209 --> 01:03:58,251 "That where we going to go over your loan and lower 1070 01:03:58,293 --> 01:04:02,211 your end choice, and give you something that you can afford." 1071 01:04:02,293 --> 01:04:03,877 I said, "OK perfect." 1072 01:04:03,959 --> 01:04:05,793 When they answered me back they told me 1073 01:04:05,834 --> 01:04:08,459 that my loan modification was denied. 1074 01:04:08,542 --> 01:04:11,917 I say, "Why?" They say, "because you've been paying your mortgage 1075 01:04:11,959 --> 01:04:13,126 on time. 1076 01:04:13,376 --> 01:04:17,793 You have never been late, so it means that you have no hardship. 1077 01:04:18,293 --> 01:04:21,543 Don't pay your mortgage. Don't pay for two or three month 1078 01:04:21,584 --> 01:04:24,001 and then you apply for other colleague to do 1079 01:04:24,043 --> 01:04:26,794 loan modification and then we will be able to give you 1080 01:04:26,834 --> 01:04:28,251 the loan modification. 1081 01:04:28,293 --> 01:04:29,211 I said, "OK, fine." 1082 01:04:29,626 --> 01:04:33,377 So I take three month I didn't pay, and 1083 01:04:33,542 --> 01:04:36,209 I filled out the paperwork again. And guess what? 1084 01:04:36,834 --> 01:04:37,834 They deny. 1085 01:04:41,376 --> 01:04:46,793 MUSIC 1086 01:04:53,584 --> 01:04:59,001 Tampa, St Peterbsurg, New Orleans, Kenner, Mansfield, 1087 01:04:59,084 --> 01:05:02,876 Ohio, Phoenix, Messer, Scottsdale, San José, Sunnyvale, 1088 01:05:05,709 --> 01:05:09,918 Fresno, Columbus, Ohio, Poughkeepsie, New York, 1089 01:05:11,293 --> 01:05:19,960 Michigan city, Port, Indiana, New York, New Jersey, 1090 01:05:20,001 --> 01:05:22,835 San Francisco, Tampa, St Petersburg, Portland, Vancouver, 1091 01:05:22,918 --> 01:05:27,918 Dallas, Fort Worth, Arlington, Tampa, Los Angeles, 1092 01:05:28,001 --> 01:05:34,668 Long Beach, Riverside, New York, Cleveland, Boise City, 1093 01:05:34,959 --> 01:05:37,126 San Diego, Carlsbad. 1094 01:05:37,417 --> 01:05:41,542 Each one of these is a mortgage that is part of 1095 01:05:41,584 --> 01:05:44,876 a particular pool for which we have an exposure to, 1096 01:05:44,918 --> 01:05:48,293 or in this particular case, we've done an analysis for. 1097 01:05:49,459 --> 01:05:52,335 We're looking history of a borrower. And so what you see 1098 01:05:52,376 --> 01:05:55,043 see is this delinquency history for 12 periods. 1099 01:05:55,122 --> 01:05:58,789 And so there's C for current. There's three for 30 days. 1100 01:05:58,789 --> 01:06:02,028 There's six for 60 days and then nine is for 90 days 1101 01:06:02,056 --> 01:06:03,390 or more delinquent. 1102 01:06:03,456 --> 01:06:06,456 Then you've got FC which means the process 1103 01:06:06,547 --> 01:06:08,422 of foreclosure has been started. 1104 01:06:08,497 --> 01:06:10,497 And then you have REO which means 1105 01:06:10,536 --> 01:06:13,336 the process of foreclosure was completed 1106 01:06:13,456 --> 01:06:16,957 So C's good, you wanna see long lists of C. 1107 01:06:17,020 --> 01:06:19,521 You wanna see everybody that looks like that. 1108 01:06:19,716 --> 01:06:22,590 Where it gets bad is when you look at situations like this 1109 01:06:22,864 --> 01:06:25,131 where you went foreclosure, REO 1110 01:06:25,204 --> 01:06:29,038 and then the bank finally discharged to the home, 1111 01:06:29,069 --> 01:06:33,200 but they took a 193,000 dollars loss on this home 1112 01:06:37,035 --> 01:06:39,707 And so interesting things are you looked at 1113 01:06:39,755 --> 01:06:42,457 present status nine, but they started out current 1114 01:06:42,528 --> 01:06:46,028 and then they went through five periods of current, 1115 01:06:46,086 --> 01:06:48,543 and then they got 30 days delinquent, 1116 01:06:48,591 --> 01:06:51,591 then they basically fought back to current. 1117 01:06:52,562 --> 01:06:56,645 It appears that they've survived some event and then 1118 01:06:56,789 --> 01:06:59,645 they just went down the slippery slope and this time 1119 01:06:59,683 --> 01:07:01,315 they've turned the corner. 1120 01:07:01,364 --> 01:07:04,465 Once you're 90 days delinquent it's really tough to get back. 1121 01:07:04,771 --> 01:07:10,332 It's kind of a dark world because you see it happen 1122 01:07:10,838 --> 01:07:13,422 and it's somebody's life. 1123 01:07:16,099 --> 01:07:21,051 As Americans you've been taught this is one of your major stores 1124 01:07:21,091 --> 01:07:23,145 of value and a situation where, 1125 01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:25,993 you know, wages are not rising in America, 1126 01:07:26,052 --> 01:07:28,668 this has been one of the major methods for people to 1127 01:07:28,706 --> 01:07:32,290 ultimately increase their income in the middle class, 1128 01:07:32,419 --> 01:07:35,419 is through this house appreciation factor. 1129 01:07:35,442 --> 01:07:39,395 But now that that's gone, it's a devastating reality, 1130 01:07:39,470 --> 01:07:43,473 and so you're seeing this ripple through the economy. 1131 01:07:48,529 --> 01:07:55,571 MUSIC 1132 01:08:07,506 --> 01:08:11,085 It's a myth that people didn't see this crisis coming. 1133 01:08:11,171 --> 01:08:13,298 There was a lot of chatter in the industry. 1134 01:08:13,359 --> 01:08:20,199 Well things started to go wrong in the fall of 2006. 1135 01:08:20,289 --> 01:08:22,414 The so-called 'smart money' people... 1136 01:08:22,456 --> 01:08:24,430 You know, the definition of being a 'smart money' 1137 01:08:24,641 --> 01:08:27,038 kind of person or player is that you know when to get out, 1138 01:08:27,119 --> 01:08:29,106 and so they all thought they knew when to get out. 1139 01:08:29,205 --> 01:08:33,497 Sophisticated investors would negotiate for better protection. 1140 01:08:33,584 --> 01:08:36,152 They'd said, well I need more protection against potential 1141 01:08:36,193 --> 01:08:37,650 potential defaults in the portfolios, 1142 01:08:37,691 --> 01:08:40,168 so they get an extra 1 percent protection. 1143 01:08:40,335 --> 01:08:44,002 But 1 per cent extra protection was like saying to somebody, 1144 01:08:44,069 --> 01:08:47,402 you know, I'm gonna give you an extra life vest 1145 01:08:47,456 --> 01:08:49,546 to wear on the Titanic. 1146 01:08:51,868 --> 01:08:54,092 My safety valve in my mind when I did this, 1147 01:08:54,117 --> 01:08:56,202 again no one put a gun to my head, but I always thought 1148 01:08:56,283 --> 01:08:57,910 if the market starts to turn, I'll sell. 1149 01:08:57,991 --> 01:09:00,327 You started having borrowers not paying in the first month, 1150 01:09:00,408 --> 01:09:02,811 the second month or the third month, and there's wave 1151 01:09:02,892 --> 01:09:04,644 of mortgages coming back to the originators. 1152 01:09:04,725 --> 01:09:10,842 What triggered it was an abrupt lowering of ratings on hundreds 1153 01:09:10,898 --> 01:09:13,405 of sub-prime mortgage back securities. 1154 01:09:13,476 --> 01:09:16,108 And that struck a huge panic into the whole structural 1155 01:09:16,153 --> 01:09:17,277 products market. 1156 01:09:17,327 --> 01:09:20,702 Investors suddenly knew that the game was up. 1157 01:09:20,741 --> 01:09:23,741 It wasn't that they were surprised that the downgrades 1158 01:09:23,804 --> 01:09:25,929 had happened, but they now knew that 1159 01:09:25,984 --> 01:09:28,921 all of the other securities couldn't hold up either, 1160 01:09:28,945 --> 01:09:32,487 and knowing that they bailed out very, very quickly. 1161 01:09:32,530 --> 01:09:35,577 Oh yeah we were surprised at how fast 1162 01:09:35,616 --> 01:09:38,061 the devastation took place. 1163 01:09:38,140 --> 01:09:41,585 There was no time to sell. Once there's blood in the water, 1164 01:09:41,628 --> 01:09:45,007 everybody's running and there was just no way out. 1165 01:09:45,163 --> 01:09:49,780 The crisis came on us rather fast and it took fast action. 1166 01:09:49,874 --> 01:09:52,413 I think that the government had to prevent 1167 01:09:52,460 --> 01:09:54,193 a collapse in confidence. 1168 01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:07,241 The whole system was predicated on there being a complete gap 1169 01:10:07,287 --> 01:10:10,280 between the people on the ground making the loans 1170 01:10:10,304 --> 01:10:12,928 and the people packaging them to sell them off, 1171 01:10:13,038 --> 01:10:15,330 you know, through the secularisation process 1172 01:10:15,379 --> 01:10:16,180 on Wall Street. 1173 01:10:16,261 --> 01:10:18,500 So that you can have people sitting in their high rise 1174 01:10:18,581 --> 01:10:20,616 building on Wall Street, or wherever they were, 1175 01:10:20,676 --> 01:10:24,838 in their fancy offices, having no connection whatsoever, 1176 01:10:24,874 --> 01:10:27,749 and no regard, and not even in their imagination, 1177 01:10:27,773 --> 01:10:30,303 thinking about what this commodity was 1178 01:10:30,343 --> 01:10:32,452 that they were bundling and selling off. 1179 01:10:32,515 --> 01:10:34,225 They were completely severed, 1180 01:10:34,273 --> 01:10:36,678 and that was why this was able to go for so long. 1181 01:10:36,695 --> 01:10:39,249 Cause one would hope there would be some people 1182 01:10:39,304 --> 01:10:41,811 within that machinery that had some conscience, 1183 01:10:41,842 --> 01:10:44,412 and that if they understood what they were packaging 1184 01:10:44,449 --> 01:10:48,741 was actually translating very concretely into loans that were, 1185 01:10:48,787 --> 01:10:51,264 let's just be blunt, ruining people's lives. 1186 01:10:51,312 --> 01:10:54,796 I mean wiping out people's life savings, stealing their equity, 1187 01:10:54,814 --> 01:10:57,273 making people homeless, wrecking families. 1188 01:10:57,296 --> 01:11:00,569 I mean the devastation can't really be overstated 1189 01:11:00,609 --> 01:11:03,234 what it means to sort of be kind of induced 1190 01:11:03,297 --> 01:11:05,483 into a loan that then spins out of control 1191 01:11:05,526 --> 01:11:07,335 and leaves you without your home. 1192 01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:11,233 Do I feel any responsibility? 1193 01:11:24,359 --> 01:11:31,772 I think responsibility is a difficult feeling for people 1194 01:11:31,827 --> 01:11:37,045 in the sense that most people's participation, 1195 01:11:37,850 --> 01:11:43,518 other than a select few which had very, very important jobs 1196 01:11:43,954 --> 01:11:47,977 probably head of the rating agencies, some chief regulators, 1197 01:11:48,017 --> 01:11:50,017 couple of chief bankers, etc, 1198 01:11:50,304 --> 01:11:52,618 most of the other participants in the system I think 1199 01:11:52,622 --> 01:11:55,123 kind of felt like hogs in the wheel of a much larger 1200 01:11:55,205 --> 01:11:56,622 piece of machinery. 1201 01:12:00,102 --> 01:12:02,770 Mr Chairman, I agree with you in the fact that 1202 01:12:02,813 --> 01:12:05,383 there are a lot of people who raised issues 1203 01:12:05,456 --> 01:12:09,188 about problems emerging, but there are always 1204 01:12:09,296 --> 01:12:13,954 a lot people raising issues and half the time they're wrong. 1205 01:12:14,247 --> 01:12:16,247 And the question is what do you do. 1206 01:12:16,291 --> 01:12:19,555 I mean you point out, quite correctly, that 1207 01:12:19,622 --> 01:12:23,248 the Federal Reserve had as good and economic an organisation 1208 01:12:23,298 --> 01:12:26,258 as exists in, I would say, in the world. 1209 01:12:26,969 --> 01:12:31,344 If all those extraordinarily capable people were unable 1210 01:12:31,414 --> 01:12:35,081 to foresee the development of this critical problem, 1211 01:12:35,771 --> 01:12:40,172 I think we have to ask ourselves why is that. 1212 01:12:40,220 --> 01:12:44,875 And the answer is that we're not smart enough. 1213 01:12:46,020 --> 01:12:49,441 AMBIENT SOUND 1214 01:13:01,924 --> 01:13:04,368 My aunt had a riding stables in the Midwest 1215 01:13:04,673 --> 01:13:08,087 and every summer I'd go out there and work for herself. 1216 01:13:08,164 --> 01:13:09,195 Go on, girl. 1217 01:13:10,747 --> 01:13:16,673 She died 12 / 14 years ago, and there were 50 horses 1218 01:13:16,846 --> 01:13:19,681 to dispose of, so I thought, "Well, I have the land now, 1219 01:13:19,736 --> 01:13:22,665 maybe I should get horses." So that's what happened 1220 01:13:22,831 --> 01:13:23,707 Good girl. 1221 01:13:24,610 --> 01:13:27,283 I owe a lot more on this place than it's worth, 1222 01:13:27,369 --> 01:13:31,369 so hopefully it'll all work out and I can hang on to it, 1223 01:13:32,322 --> 01:13:34,722 but that's still to be determined. 1224 01:13:39,056 --> 01:13:44,307 My situation right now is I'm waiting for a loan modification. 1225 01:13:44,541 --> 01:13:46,743 I need a loan modification. 1226 01:13:46,873 --> 01:13:50,082 My only way out is a loan modification. 1227 01:13:50,372 --> 01:13:53,923 I don't want to be live free, I know I have to pay my mortgage, 1228 01:13:53,963 --> 01:13:55,650 I'm going to pay my mortgage. 1229 01:13:56,947 --> 01:14:00,049 It would be ashamed if I cannot hang on to my house. 1230 01:14:00,237 --> 01:14:02,072 It would be a shame. 1231 01:14:05,776 --> 01:14:08,056 I don't want to think about that, because 1232 01:14:08,164 --> 01:14:11,623 I don't think it's right because I can pay for it, 1233 01:14:11,651 --> 01:14:14,717 all I'm asking is the loan modification. OK. 1234 01:14:14,951 --> 01:14:17,660 The value of the house was too high. 1235 01:14:17,753 --> 01:14:21,384 The kind of mortgage I got was a bad mortgage, 1236 01:14:21,666 --> 01:14:24,541 so why they cannot redo my mortgage for me? 1237 01:14:24,586 --> 01:14:27,369 Why they are going to want me to lose my house, 1238 01:14:27,416 --> 01:14:29,142 or what they going to do with it? 1239 01:14:29,497 --> 01:14:33,831 To have, you know, achieved a measure of respect in your life, 1240 01:14:33,887 --> 01:14:36,955 worked hard to become a, you know, correspondent 1241 01:14:37,002 --> 01:14:39,345 in Washington and a famous newspaper, 1242 01:14:39,393 --> 01:14:45,064 and you know kind of been, in a way, a part of the establishment 1243 01:14:45,112 --> 01:14:51,174 And to now, you know, see yourself plunged down to being, 1244 01:14:51,205 --> 01:14:54,472 you know, a debtor the likes of which are being 1245 01:14:54,502 --> 01:14:58,580 made fun of all over the place. It's just an awful experience. 1246 01:14:59,026 --> 01:15:01,595 You find out you're not as strong as you thought, 1247 01:15:01,623 --> 01:15:04,752 you're a whole lot more foolish than you thought, 1248 01:15:04,873 --> 01:15:09,665 and furthermore you've lost, maybe, almost everything 1249 01:15:09,706 --> 01:15:11,706 that you had, 1250 01:15:11,884 --> 01:15:14,718 in terms of your financial assets and maybe even 1251 01:15:14,752 --> 01:15:16,485 in terms of your marriage. 1252 01:15:16,885 --> 01:15:19,306 It doesn't get much worse than that. 1253 01:15:20,213 --> 01:15:27,380 MUSIC 1254 01:15:27,916 --> 01:15:31,580 So thank you all for joining me today. 1255 01:15:32,489 --> 01:15:36,023 On this tour I gave you guys a lot of information. 1256 01:15:36,168 --> 01:15:40,002 I wanna give you guys a few takeaways, key takeaways. 1257 01:15:41,674 --> 01:15:43,830 People when they talk about the financial crisis, 1258 01:15:43,885 --> 01:15:46,463 they talk about the regulation of financial institutions, 1259 01:15:46,533 --> 01:15:48,822 they talk about evil people lending money 1260 01:15:48,916 --> 01:15:51,174 when they shouldn't, taking advantage of people, 1261 01:15:51,256 --> 01:15:53,869 predatory lending, but I think all those things 1262 01:15:53,926 --> 01:15:58,308 pale before the real crisis, which is the way in which 1263 01:15:58,404 --> 01:16:01,322 capital moves in the economy, and the way in which 1264 01:16:01,355 --> 01:16:03,605 wage and equality has caused this capital 1265 01:16:03,644 --> 01:16:05,727 to move so inefficiently in our economy. 1266 01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:09,632 What we are doing in effect is transferring money from people 1267 01:16:09,683 --> 01:16:13,081 who would spend it to people who don't need all that money 1268 01:16:13,111 --> 01:16:14,445 and don't spend it. 1269 01:16:14,571 --> 01:16:17,705 Record bonuses, you know, hundreds of people 1270 01:16:17,754 --> 01:16:20,050 getting more than 1 million dollars a year, 1271 01:16:20,129 --> 01:16:22,433 even when the company makes a loss. 1272 01:16:22,629 --> 01:16:27,411 So the problem is that when you have 1273 01:16:27,459 --> 01:16:32,894 growing in equality, typically your level of consumption 1274 01:16:32,947 --> 01:16:34,050 goes down. 1275 01:16:34,379 --> 01:16:36,972 In the United States, we said to those whose income 1276 01:16:37,012 --> 01:16:40,628 was not going anywhere, we said, "Don't worry, continue 1277 01:16:40,655 --> 01:16:43,722 to spend as if you're income was going up. 1278 01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:47,360 But the only way you do that is through debt. 1279 01:16:48,334 --> 01:16:51,449 But that particular model has been broken. 1280 01:16:52,362 --> 01:16:55,995 We need to have capitalism work for us, not work us over. 1281 01:16:56,029 --> 01:16:57,781 This is the real difference, right? 1282 01:16:57,855 --> 01:17:01,113 We need to figure out a way to make profits create jobs, 1283 01:17:01,176 --> 01:17:05,222 for everybody, not profits create just some wealth 1284 01:17:05,289 --> 01:17:06,555 for the very few. 1285 01:17:06,605 --> 01:17:09,981 If that's the case, then capitalism will no longer work, 1286 01:17:10,043 --> 01:17:12,377 because people will not stand for it. 1287 01:17:12,430 --> 01:17:16,363 And, what's made capitalism great for the last 500 years, 1288 01:17:16,414 --> 01:17:18,363 is that it's actually created better 1289 01:17:18,385 --> 01:17:19,878 standards of living for everyone. 1290 01:17:20,074 --> 01:17:22,644 The capitalism the last 30 years, has decreased 1291 01:17:22,725 --> 01:17:24,284 the standard of living for everyone 1292 01:17:24,396 --> 01:17:25,604 except those at the very top. 1293 01:17:32,581 --> 01:17:37,597 MUSIC 100971

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