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Dial. 10 00:00:28,612 --> 00:00:32,196 The purpose of this program is to bring vital news, 11 00:00:32,449 --> 00:00:35,031 information and hard acid-rock music... 12 00:00:35,202 --> 00:00:39,866 To the first-termers and non-reenlistees in the Republic of Vietnam. 13 00:00:39,957 --> 00:00:45,077 Radio first termer operates under no air force regulations or manuals. 14 00:00:45,170 --> 00:00:47,627 In the event of a vice squad raid, 15 00:00:47,714 --> 00:00:51,377 this program will automatically self-destruct. 16 00:00:57,641 --> 00:01:00,929 J soldier boy j 17 00:01:01,228 --> 00:01:05,972 j oh, my little soldier boy j 18 00:01:07,359 --> 00:01:10,647 j I'll be true j 19 00:01:10,737 --> 00:01:14,571 j to you j 20 00:01:16,535 --> 00:01:19,572 you must understand that I liked being a green beret. 21 00:01:19,830 --> 00:01:21,536 I thought it was good. 22 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,827 When I did go in the military, I went in there gung ho. 23 00:01:25,085 --> 00:01:27,872 In basic training, you have this 500 points that you score. 24 00:01:28,130 --> 00:01:30,963 I scored like 501 or something. I mean... 25 00:01:31,174 --> 00:01:33,005 You know, I was really, you know, ready. 26 00:01:33,385 --> 00:01:36,877 I was certain that every male member of my family... 27 00:01:37,264 --> 00:01:40,552 Had their war, and there would be a war for me, and I would go off and be a hero... 28 00:01:40,642 --> 00:01:43,600 And fight the good fight for this country. 29 00:01:43,687 --> 00:01:48,397 I've tried to spend my whole life having people live a better life... 30 00:01:48,567 --> 00:01:50,432 And basically feel better. 31 00:01:50,527 --> 00:01:52,392 That's what nurses do, right? 32 00:01:52,487 --> 00:01:56,196 You know, it took us almost three weeks to cross the pacific. 33 00:01:56,325 --> 00:01:58,441 And there wasn't too much to do on a troopship. 34 00:01:58,535 --> 00:02:01,072 So we'd sit up on the deck at night and have raps. 35 00:02:01,580 --> 00:02:05,789 And a lot of the times, it would get to what we were going to... whether it was right or wrong. 36 00:02:05,876 --> 00:02:08,618 And we'd go back and forth, back and forth. 37 00:02:08,879 --> 00:02:10,995 And, uh, we'd always end up concluding, 38 00:02:11,089 --> 00:02:14,249 "well, let's hope we're doing the right thing because that's where we're going." 39 00:02:20,265 --> 00:02:22,347 [ Man narrating I in the early 1960s, 40 00:02:22,434 --> 00:02:27,554 the United States government began sending combat troops to south Vietnam. 41 00:02:27,648 --> 00:02:31,891 I was really proud of what I thought I was doing. 42 00:02:32,361 --> 00:02:34,647 The problem I had was realizing... 43 00:02:34,863 --> 00:02:38,105 That what I was doing was not good. 44 00:02:38,450 --> 00:02:41,487 I was doing it right, but I wasn't doing right. 45 00:02:43,455 --> 00:02:45,946 I was asked to train green beret people, special forces men. 46 00:02:46,208 --> 00:02:48,790 Why were they training these guys in dermatology? 47 00:02:49,252 --> 00:02:51,789 Well, they were training them to do dermatology in Vietnam... 48 00:02:52,297 --> 00:02:56,336 Because they knew that if they were able to offer a few simple remedies... 49 00:02:56,468 --> 00:03:00,381 And help cure a few children of some simple bacterial infections, 50 00:03:00,597 --> 00:03:05,432 that that would ingratiate themselves to the vietnamese community. 51 00:03:05,686 --> 00:03:08,646 And you remembered the phrase "winning the hearts and minds of the people.โ€ 52 00:03:08,730 --> 00:03:12,814 So this was how you were going to win the hearts and minds of the people. 53 00:03:13,110 --> 00:03:17,945 And while they were offering the band-aids of helping to cure a few cases of impetigo, 54 00:03:18,365 --> 00:03:20,365 uh, they were bombing the hell out of the villages. 55 00:03:22,244 --> 00:03:25,111 [ Airplane passing overhead I 56 00:03:25,288 --> 00:03:29,372 I was out on a patrol, uh, near hip hoa, 57 00:03:29,459 --> 00:03:33,668 and, uh, um, we took a couple of prisoners. 58 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,873 Whether they were combatants or not, who knows. 59 00:03:38,301 --> 00:03:40,462 The patrol was led by Americans, 60 00:03:40,554 --> 00:03:43,671 but there were vietnamese arvn there. 61 00:03:43,849 --> 00:03:46,465 And they were turned over to arvn, 62 00:03:46,601 --> 00:03:50,139 and arvn used the old-fashioned methods of interrogation. 63 00:03:50,439 --> 00:03:55,524 Force, torture. And that was pretty common practice. 64 00:03:55,986 --> 00:03:59,149 I tell you, as bad the... As bad as that treatment was, 65 00:03:59,573 --> 00:04:04,488 the cynicism that attached to it was the part that was really sickening, I thought. 66 00:04:04,661 --> 00:04:08,495 Anathema to everything I was taught, everything I'd learned, everything I grew up with... 67 00:04:08,582 --> 00:04:12,166 This is just not the way you treat human beings. 68 00:04:12,669 --> 00:04:16,207 And it was all done for the good of the cause, I guess. 69 00:04:16,548 --> 00:04:19,915 I got out of the military in 1966. 70 00:04:20,427 --> 00:04:23,840 I got out because of the things I saw, the things I was doing, 71 00:04:24,306 --> 00:04:27,673 and the reasons that we were given for doing them. 72 00:04:28,185 --> 00:04:31,518 It was a personal protest. It was just me getting out of the service. 73 00:04:32,022 --> 00:04:33,933 There was no movement to join. 74 00:04:34,232 --> 00:04:37,770 I found the war in Vietnam more and more repulsive. 75 00:04:38,111 --> 00:04:40,568 And I felt that I just couldn't be a part of it. 76 00:04:40,655 --> 00:04:44,614 Eventually, I said, "look, I'm not training you guys anymore. 77 00:04:45,035 --> 00:04:47,492 "I don't agree with what you're doing. I think it's immoral. 78 00:04:47,579 --> 00:04:49,570 I think it's medically unethical.โ€ 79 00:04:49,748 --> 00:04:51,739 And I just stopped... Threw 'em out of the clinic. 80 00:04:51,958 --> 00:04:55,792 Uh, uh... it took a few weeks for the army to catch up with that. 81 00:04:55,879 --> 00:04:59,667 And when they did, they invited me into the commanding officer's office and said, 82 00:04:59,758 --> 00:05:01,965 "look. What are you doing here?" 83 00:05:02,052 --> 00:05:04,238 I told them exactly what I was doing. I'm not training 'em. 84 00:05:04,262 --> 00:05:07,182 And they said, "well, you know, you should know the consequences of that." 85 00:05:07,265 --> 00:05:10,545 And I said, "I'm perfectly aware of the consequences of it. I'm not training them." 86 00:05:10,602 --> 00:05:14,345 At that point, it was obvious that I was going to be court-martialed. 87 00:05:14,439 --> 00:05:18,808 And a few days later, I got the court-martial notice. 88 00:05:18,902 --> 00:05:22,565 [ Narrator I Howard Levy spent three years in prison. 89 00:05:22,739 --> 00:05:26,152 Along with him, three g.L.S at fort hood who refused orders to Vietnam... 90 00:05:26,326 --> 00:05:30,319 And received five years hard labor and a dishonorable discharge. 91 00:05:30,497 --> 00:05:34,866 Army lieutenant Henry howe, who carried a sign at a demonstration reading, 92 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,918 "end Johnson's fascist aggression in Vietnam,โ€ 93 00:05:38,004 --> 00:05:40,211 was sentenced to two years. 94 00:05:40,465 --> 00:05:43,832 And two marines, William Harvey and George Daniels, 95 00:05:44,052 --> 00:05:47,544 received six-to-10 year sentences for organizing a meeting... 96 00:05:47,639 --> 00:05:50,005 About whether black people should fight in Vietnam. 97 00:05:50,141 --> 00:05:54,134 And on march 3, 1966, 98 00:05:54,563 --> 00:05:56,923 former green beret Donald Duncan was the featured speaker... 99 00:05:57,023 --> 00:06:00,811 At an antiwar meeting at the town hall in Manhattan. 100 00:06:00,902 --> 00:06:05,191 I just wanted to do what I knew about it, 101 00:06:05,407 --> 00:06:09,116 and let-let people then judge for themselves. 102 00:06:12,622 --> 00:06:15,614 I think the most startling thing to me occurred, however, 103 00:06:15,709 --> 00:06:17,825 as the court-martial began. 104 00:06:17,919 --> 00:06:21,707 What would happen was we would walk from the parking lot... 105 00:06:21,798 --> 00:06:25,541 To the building where the court-martial was being held. 106 00:06:25,635 --> 00:06:29,469 And it was the most remarkable thing when hundreds... 107 00:06:29,556 --> 00:06:33,515 Hundreds of g.L.S would hang out of windows, out of the barracks, 108 00:06:33,643 --> 00:06:37,056 and give me the "v" sign or give me the clenched fist. 109 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,768 This was mind-boggling to me. This was a revelation. 110 00:06:40,859 --> 00:06:46,570 And at that point it really became crystal-clear to me that something had changed here, 111 00:06:46,656 --> 00:06:49,944 and that something very, very important was happening. 112 00:06:52,162 --> 00:06:54,653 How many people in the army... 113 00:06:54,748 --> 00:06:59,082 Do you think feel the same way, perhaps, as you do, are against the war? 114 00:07:00,754 --> 00:07:03,336 I wouldn't vent... I really don't know how many, 115 00:07:03,590 --> 00:07:05,455 but I know how many I met. 116 00:07:05,550 --> 00:07:09,793 And that was a majority of the men that I met in the service were opposed, 117 00:07:09,971 --> 00:07:13,384 but really didn't know how to voice their opinion. 118 00:07:13,558 --> 00:07:15,970 [ Narrator I 1968 was the turning point. 119 00:07:16,061 --> 00:07:20,304 By then America had over a half million troops in south Vietnam. 120 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,806 But during the lunar new year holiday called "tet," 121 00:07:22,943 --> 00:07:27,607 the enemy... the north vietnamese and national liberation front armies... 122 00:07:27,697 --> 00:07:31,485 Launched an offensive that overran the entire country before being pushed back. 123 00:07:31,576 --> 00:07:37,162 The tet offensive revealed that the enemy had widespread support from the vietnamese people, 124 00:07:37,332 --> 00:07:41,746 and America was mired in a war it couldn't win. 125 00:07:42,045 --> 00:07:45,833 And with soldiers beginning to question the war in the wake of the tet offensive, 126 00:07:45,924 --> 00:07:48,961 thousands began going awol, or absent without leave. 127 00:07:51,471 --> 00:07:54,963 Many found their way to San Francisco where a series of events... 128 00:07:55,058 --> 00:07:59,677 Brought the emerging g.I. Antiwar movement onto the national stage. 129 00:07:59,771 --> 00:08:03,434 Have you given much thought to the penalty of being awol? 130 00:08:03,692 --> 00:08:05,853 Yes. 131 00:08:05,944 --> 00:08:08,060 Can we see your chains, please? 132 00:08:08,154 --> 00:08:11,396 We joined together in July 1968. 133 00:08:11,491 --> 00:08:16,485 We took sanctuary in a church and chained ourselves to ministers. 134 00:08:16,705 --> 00:08:20,789 J [ People singing, clapping I 135 00:08:21,126 --> 00:08:23,162 we essentially called the press and said to them, 136 00:08:23,336 --> 00:08:25,793 "we're not going to Vietnam. We're refusing our orders, 137 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,462 "and in fact, we're resigning from the military. 138 00:08:28,591 --> 00:08:31,003 Come and get us.โ€ j 139 00:08:31,094 --> 00:08:35,428 the fact that it took 'em three days to decide how to deal with this tactically, 140 00:08:35,515 --> 00:08:37,176 that was great. 141 00:08:39,394 --> 00:08:43,228 I had nothing to lose. And I had no idea what was gonna come. 142 00:08:43,314 --> 00:08:46,647 And that's a free place. It's a really free place, you know. 143 00:08:47,110 --> 00:08:48,796 Y-you... you don't know what's gonna happen, 144 00:08:48,820 --> 00:08:50,820 where you're going, but you know what you're doing. 145 00:09:01,499 --> 00:09:05,458 And that was my introduction to the San Francisco presidio stockade. 146 00:09:11,885 --> 00:09:15,503 The population fluctuated, usually upwards. 147 00:09:15,722 --> 00:09:18,714 It was built, I think, and could hold, like, maybe 60, 148 00:09:18,808 --> 00:09:21,845 and there were some... sometimes double that in there. 149 00:09:22,353 --> 00:09:25,140 Uh, overcrowded, toilets backed up, 150 00:09:25,356 --> 00:09:27,813 uh, food was short, guards were mean. 151 00:09:27,901 --> 00:09:30,608 It wasn't... wasn't any fun. 152 00:09:33,948 --> 00:09:36,530 [ Narrator I with the nine for peace held in military prisons, 153 00:09:36,993 --> 00:09:39,109 soldiers throughout the bay area began planning... 154 00:09:39,204 --> 00:09:44,744 For the first antiwar demonstration in the country organized by g.L.S and veterans. 155 00:09:44,834 --> 00:09:47,746 I was a member of the medical committee for human rights. 156 00:09:47,837 --> 00:09:50,670 We got together a number of times... 157 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:52,760 And talked about how we were going to organize... 158 00:09:53,051 --> 00:09:55,713 Active-duty g.L.S to go to the peace demonstration. 159 00:09:56,096 --> 00:09:59,088 And then I remember also hearing about the b-52 bombers... 160 00:09:59,182 --> 00:10:04,518 That were dropping leaflets on Vietnam, urging the vietnamese to defect. 161 00:10:04,687 --> 00:10:09,147 And I thought, well, if they can do it overseas, 162 00:10:09,609 --> 00:10:13,272 then we can hire a small private plane, 163 00:10:13,488 --> 00:10:16,730 load it up with leaflets, and drop the leaflets... 164 00:10:16,825 --> 00:10:20,283 On military bases in the San Francisco bay area. 165 00:10:20,411 --> 00:10:24,199 Thousands and thousands of leaflets. 166 00:10:24,290 --> 00:10:28,579 At one point I know we were a little concerned about getting shot down, 167 00:10:29,003 --> 00:10:30,789 but nothing happened. 168 00:10:31,214 --> 00:10:33,830 Evidently, they landed pretty accurately. 169 00:10:34,259 --> 00:10:36,466 That's what they testified at the court-martial. 170 00:10:39,514 --> 00:10:43,223 And on my way driving in to the demonstration, 171 00:10:43,393 --> 00:10:46,681 I decided I was going to wear my naval uniform. 172 00:10:48,606 --> 00:10:50,972 My opinion was fairly straightforward. 173 00:10:51,109 --> 00:10:54,693 It was if westmoreland could wear his uniform... 174 00:10:54,988 --> 00:10:57,855 Being for the war and talking in front of congress, 175 00:10:58,032 --> 00:11:02,776 then as an active-duty person, I certainly had the same rights that he did, 176 00:11:02,871 --> 00:11:08,082 and I could wear my uniform protesting the United States's involvement in Vietnam. 177 00:11:09,752 --> 00:11:11,913 Susan schnall was court-martialed... 178 00:11:12,005 --> 00:11:14,997 For making a political statement while in uniform. 179 00:11:15,091 --> 00:11:18,583 And following the g.I. And veterans march for peace, 180 00:11:18,678 --> 00:11:22,637 four awol g.I.S turned themselves in to the presidio army stockade, 181 00:11:22,765 --> 00:11:25,381 which was about to reach a breaking point. 182 00:11:25,518 --> 00:11:28,134 The moment... my epiphany... Or the thing that came to me... 183 00:11:28,521 --> 00:11:31,558 Was working in a hospital... In the military hospital... 184 00:11:31,649 --> 00:11:34,766 Up at fort Lewis in a neurology floor. 185 00:11:34,903 --> 00:11:37,485 And, um, it was all head and neck injuries. 186 00:11:37,655 --> 00:11:40,055 Guys so paralyzed that they couldn't turn the page of a book, 187 00:11:40,158 --> 00:11:42,444 and they couldn't even take a poop by themselves, 188 00:11:42,660 --> 00:11:45,072 and they couldn't kill themselves. 189 00:11:45,413 --> 00:11:47,745 Every day, we would come in as medics to take care of them, 190 00:11:47,916 --> 00:11:49,676 and they would beg us every day to kill them, 191 00:11:50,126 --> 00:11:51,787 because they couldn't kill themselves. 192 00:11:51,878 --> 00:11:54,961 And it was such a horror. 193 00:11:55,381 --> 00:11:57,463 It caused me to think to myself... 194 00:11:57,592 --> 00:11:59,958 'Cause I grew up in a military family. 195 00:12:00,094 --> 00:12:02,698 My grandfather was a career officer, and my father was a career officer. 196 00:12:02,722 --> 00:12:05,634 And I had no reason at all going into the military to think... 197 00:12:05,725 --> 00:12:08,011 There was anything wrong with the Vietnam war, 198 00:12:08,478 --> 00:12:11,185 or anything wrong with America the beautiful. 199 00:12:11,481 --> 00:12:16,441 And then there I was faced with a situation where guys every day were asking me to kill them. 200 00:12:16,527 --> 00:12:18,643 And it was so horrible, I had to... 201 00:12:18,738 --> 00:12:22,151 At a certain point, I just made a vow to myself that-that-that... 202 00:12:22,283 --> 00:12:25,366 I wouldn't ever put somebody else into the hospital in those circumstances... 203 00:12:25,620 --> 00:12:28,032 That I wouldn't be the guy that squeezed the trigger... 204 00:12:28,373 --> 00:12:32,491 That caused some human being to be in that dreadful situation. 205 00:12:32,585 --> 00:12:35,185 The other thing that bothered me was those guys that could talk... 206 00:12:35,296 --> 00:12:38,083 The ones that would beg you to kill them, that couldn't turn the page, 207 00:12:38,341 --> 00:12:42,459 that couldn't wiggle anything from their chin down. 208 00:12:42,553 --> 00:12:46,546 And none of 'em felt like they had made their sacrifice for a good reason. 209 00:12:46,641 --> 00:12:51,556 They all told stories of, you know... Of brutalizing the vietnamese people, 210 00:12:51,646 --> 00:12:54,604 of being the thugs. 211 00:12:54,691 --> 00:12:58,809 And not a single one of 'em felt like his sacrifice was for a good cause. 212 00:12:59,070 --> 00:13:02,608 For 19-year-old private Michael bunch, 213 00:13:03,032 --> 00:13:05,832 life in the army had been little more than a series of awol violations. 214 00:13:06,077 --> 00:13:08,534 His last stop was here, the presidio stockade, 215 00:13:08,621 --> 00:13:12,864 where he was fatally shot last Friday while trying to escape from a work detail. 216 00:13:13,001 --> 00:13:15,959 So, um, I'd been assigned kind of by the movement people... 217 00:13:16,045 --> 00:13:18,878 To go into the stockade and find out what was going on... 218 00:13:19,090 --> 00:13:21,050 'Cause they had shot this prisoner and killed him. 219 00:13:23,803 --> 00:13:26,761 The guard shot him and killed him, you know, point-blank. 220 00:13:26,848 --> 00:13:30,261 And his only crime was not wanting to be there... 221 00:13:30,435 --> 00:13:34,223 And, um, going awol. 222 00:13:34,314 --> 00:13:38,774 And he was cut down at a real young age and, uh, for no good reason. 223 00:13:38,985 --> 00:13:42,227 Not unlike a lot of his brothers in Vietnam. 224 00:13:42,572 --> 00:13:46,656 You know? Uh, so, um... 225 00:13:46,743 --> 00:13:50,577 So we reacted, uh, viscerally... 226 00:13:50,663 --> 00:13:54,201 And, uh, with anger and disgust and outrage. 227 00:13:55,585 --> 00:13:57,450 We tore that jail apart. 228 00:13:57,545 --> 00:14:00,378 Uh, we ripped the wires out of the walls, 229 00:14:00,590 --> 00:14:03,627 ripped the squawk box off the wall. 230 00:14:03,718 --> 00:14:05,946 Then things started to calm down, 'cause we started to plan. 231 00:14:05,970 --> 00:14:11,431 We came to a decision the best thing we could do was to have some kind of a demonstration. 232 00:14:11,517 --> 00:14:13,633 And it was at the roll-call formation. 233 00:14:13,728 --> 00:14:16,128 We had a signal when we were supposed to break ranks. We did. 234 00:14:16,397 --> 00:14:19,389 And then we walked over here and sat down. At a certain point, 235 00:14:19,484 --> 00:14:22,066 commandant came out and read us the mutiny act. 236 00:14:22,487 --> 00:14:25,650 And we just kept singing louder and kind of linked arms and sing and sing. 237 00:14:25,823 --> 00:14:29,361 [ Mather I we were scared, man. I'll tell you. We were really scared. 238 00:14:29,452 --> 00:14:33,036 We had 'em right where we want them. They were finally listening to us, man. 239 00:14:33,289 --> 00:14:35,405 That's the first time I can ever remember... 240 00:14:35,500 --> 00:14:39,618 Anybody listening to us while I was in the military. 241 00:14:39,712 --> 00:14:43,500 The commanding general of the sixth army, which was the jurisdiction... 242 00:14:43,591 --> 00:14:46,879 And he said that they thought that the revolution was about to start, 243 00:14:47,136 --> 00:14:49,718 and that they really had to set an example, you know. 244 00:14:50,181 --> 00:14:53,890 Come down hard. And we were the guys that they decided to do that with. 245 00:14:54,060 --> 00:14:57,644 And they did. I mean, you know, we were on trial for our life. 246 00:14:57,897 --> 00:15:00,897 You know, I came in as an awol, and within two days of hitting the stockade, 247 00:15:00,983 --> 00:15:03,269 I was... I was facing the death sentence... 248 00:15:03,528 --> 00:15:06,270 For singing "we shall overcome." 249 00:15:09,617 --> 00:15:12,074 [ Narrator I initially sentenced to 16 years for mutiny, 250 00:15:12,370 --> 00:15:16,033 the presidio 27 spent up to two years in federal prison. 251 00:15:16,249 --> 00:15:20,993 And facing decades in jail for both the nine for peace and presidio sit-down, 252 00:15:21,504 --> 00:15:25,497 Keith mather escaped from the presidio stockade and made his way to Canada, 253 00:15:25,675 --> 00:15:28,417 where he spent the next 18 years living in exile. 254 00:15:28,511 --> 00:15:30,843 [ Shouting I 255 00:15:30,930 --> 00:15:33,610 [ narrator I but in the summer of '68, as thousands of supporters... 256 00:15:33,683 --> 00:15:38,677 Protested the jailing of the presidio 27, the g.I. Movement had arrived. 257 00:15:43,609 --> 00:15:45,645 My background is puerto rican. 258 00:15:46,112 --> 00:15:47,943 I was born in New York City. 259 00:15:48,322 --> 00:15:52,656 When I was 17 years old, I entered the united states military academy at west point. 260 00:15:53,035 --> 00:15:55,447 I graduated with honors, 261 00:15:55,538 --> 00:15:59,030 and the army sent me to graduate school at Harvard university... 262 00:15:59,125 --> 00:16:02,208 To the Kennedy school of government. 263 00:16:02,295 --> 00:16:04,661 I was there for a year and a half, 264 00:16:04,755 --> 00:16:06,916 at which point I wrote to the army... 265 00:16:07,008 --> 00:16:09,420 And said that I would refuse to serve in the Vietnam war. 266 00:16:09,510 --> 00:16:14,675 I came to believe it was a war of aggression by the United States against the vietnamese. 267 00:16:14,765 --> 00:16:17,507 It was really a troubling decision. 268 00:16:17,768 --> 00:16:21,556 Because I knew that, um, my career would be over, 269 00:16:21,647 --> 00:16:24,013 and I didn't know what the future would bring. 270 00:16:24,358 --> 00:16:27,600 At the time, the press said that I was the first west point graduate... 271 00:16:27,695 --> 00:16:31,529 To refuse to serve in a war in the history of west point. 272 00:16:31,616 --> 00:16:34,278 I remember calling my parents, and they were in tears. 273 00:16:34,368 --> 00:16:39,579 I mean, just totally in tears, uh, thinking that I would end up in prison... 274 00:16:39,665 --> 00:16:42,031 Instead of getting a master's degree from Harvard. 275 00:16:42,126 --> 00:16:44,538 But I told them... 1 remember in that conversation... 276 00:16:44,629 --> 00:16:47,666 I said you always taught me to do what's just, 277 00:16:48,174 --> 00:16:50,665 to do, uh, what is right. 278 00:16:52,595 --> 00:16:56,383 And, uh, I really felt that I was doing the right thing. 279 00:16:56,474 --> 00:16:58,635 And I believe that to this day. 280 00:16:58,726 --> 00:17:02,560 Thirty-four years later, I know I did the right thing. 281 00:17:10,363 --> 00:17:13,321 I was wounded three times while I was out in the bush. 282 00:17:13,407 --> 00:17:16,774 The third time I was wounded was on December 20, '67. 283 00:17:17,286 --> 00:17:20,323 We got overrun by north viethamese regulars. 284 00:17:20,414 --> 00:17:22,871 They started like a human-wave attack. 285 00:17:23,376 --> 00:17:27,335 And a guy came up behind our hole and stuck his rifle in the hole. 286 00:17:27,547 --> 00:17:31,506 And I saw the front side of an ak-47 and a muzzle flash. 287 00:17:31,676 --> 00:17:34,418 And I had my m16 pointed up, and I started pull... 288 00:17:34,512 --> 00:17:38,175 Pulled my trigger when I saw the ak sight. 289 00:17:38,599 --> 00:17:41,511 And a bullet hit me in the knee and I blacked out. 290 00:17:41,644 --> 00:17:46,855 I came to a few minutes later, and my gun was jammed and my knee was shattered. 291 00:17:47,149 --> 00:17:50,061 After the fighting ended, and the sun came up, 292 00:17:50,194 --> 00:17:52,651 and they carried me over to this guy who had shot me. 293 00:17:52,738 --> 00:17:56,401 And he was sitting up against a tree stump, and he was dead. 294 00:17:56,576 --> 00:18:01,741 He had three bullet holes up his chest, and he had his ak laying across his lap. 295 00:18:01,914 --> 00:18:05,702 And the sergeant said, "here's this gook you killed. You did a good job." 296 00:18:05,793 --> 00:18:08,409 And I seen this guy, and he was about my age. 297 00:18:08,546 --> 00:18:13,506 And... and I started thinking, you know, why is he dead and I'm alive? 298 00:18:13,593 --> 00:18:15,549 It was just a matter of pure luck. 299 00:18:15,761 --> 00:18:18,969 Then I started thinking, I wonder if he had a girlfriend... 300 00:18:19,348 --> 00:18:22,715 And if his... how his mother's gonna find out and things like that. 301 00:18:23,227 --> 00:18:26,390 When you just went through an experience of that nature, 302 00:18:26,522 --> 00:18:31,733 and you find out that it's all lies, and that they're just lying to the American people, 303 00:18:31,819 --> 00:18:36,108 and your silence means that you're part of keeping that lie going, I couldn't stop. 304 00:18:36,198 --> 00:18:41,363 I mean, I couldn't be silent, you know. I felt I had a responsibility to my friends, 305 00:18:41,454 --> 00:18:44,696 and to the country in general and to the vietnamese. 306 00:18:44,790 --> 00:18:48,624 The last guy who I shot... I don't consider him as the first guy I shot, 307 00:18:48,711 --> 00:18:52,499 but it was the first guy I shot where I was shooting it out barrel-to-barrel with him... 308 00:18:52,590 --> 00:18:55,502 And looked him in the face afterwards. 309 00:18:55,593 --> 00:18:59,381 And I felt a certain amount of responsibility to him, to make that if his life... 310 00:18:59,472 --> 00:19:04,557 If his death not be in vain meant that I had to try and advocate for the justice... 311 00:19:04,810 --> 00:19:08,928 That he was fighting for, because I believed he was fighting for his country. 312 00:19:09,190 --> 00:19:13,854 So I became involved in the movement. That's what happened with me. 313 00:19:13,944 --> 00:19:16,936 J [ Rock and roll I 314 00:19:19,450 --> 00:19:22,738 [ narrator I with more and more soldiers turning against the war, 315 00:19:23,037 --> 00:19:26,871 a handful of peace activists opened the first of what would become a network... 316 00:19:26,957 --> 00:19:29,198 Of dozens of antiwar g.L. Coffeehouses... 317 00:19:29,669 --> 00:19:33,457 Located in the towns that hover near military bases. 318 00:19:33,547 --> 00:19:37,881 The dusty Texas town of killeen, just outside fort hood, 319 00:19:38,260 --> 00:19:40,251 which housed over 30,000 troops, 320 00:19:40,471 --> 00:19:45,431 became the home of the g.I. Coffeehouse known as the oleo strut. 321 00:19:45,518 --> 00:19:47,634 Being in the army, I can get over here, 322 00:19:47,728 --> 00:19:50,344 and I can sit down and write poetry. 323 00:19:50,439 --> 00:19:53,181 I can sit here and listen, and I can forget I'm in the army... 324 00:19:53,442 --> 00:19:56,400 For about 15 minutes to an hour or something like this. 325 00:19:56,487 --> 00:19:58,398 We have three very simple rules here. 326 00:19:58,489 --> 00:20:01,481 Three very simple rules, and that's all. 327 00:20:01,575 --> 00:20:03,941 One: We got no holding in the place. 328 00:20:04,245 --> 00:20:06,782 If you're holding, it's a bad place to be. 329 00:20:07,289 --> 00:20:09,245 The sign over there says, "the man is welcome." 330 00:20:09,500 --> 00:20:11,331 But always remember, the man is welcome here. 331 00:20:11,460 --> 00:20:14,167 It's not so much that he's welcome. It's that he's just here. 332 00:20:14,255 --> 00:20:17,497 You guys know what I'm talking about. 333 00:20:17,591 --> 00:20:20,799 The name "oleo strutโ€ came from a shock absorber on a helicopter. 334 00:20:21,137 --> 00:20:23,469 So that's what the oleo strut was. 335 00:20:23,639 --> 00:20:26,381 It was a place where you go there and they sold sodas, 336 00:20:26,475 --> 00:20:30,514 and they had a record player and all the latest rock records... 337 00:20:30,604 --> 00:20:32,724 And underground papers, and you just hang out and rap. 338 00:20:34,942 --> 00:20:38,025 Fort hood was both a combination of guys going to Vietnam... 339 00:20:38,529 --> 00:20:40,736 And guys who'd been to Vietnam and came back. 340 00:20:41,031 --> 00:20:45,695 And as time went on, the guys who had been to Vietnam played... 341 00:20:45,786 --> 00:20:48,152 A subversive role to the guys who were going. 342 00:20:48,497 --> 00:20:51,989 And they go out on ambushes. Like for a one-month period, 343 00:20:52,376 --> 00:20:57,461 we go out on ambushes and we kill over 50 people in the early hours of the morning. 344 00:20:57,631 --> 00:21:00,919 And you start looking at bodies, because they've got to get their body count. 345 00:21:01,010 --> 00:21:04,502 And who's there? A majority were women and children. 346 00:21:04,638 --> 00:21:06,549 And what were they doing? What was their crime? 347 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:11,805 They were carrying food. They were carrying food to their friends up in the hills. 348 00:21:11,937 --> 00:21:14,724 For anyone who thinks that they can duck out of it... 349 00:21:14,857 --> 00:21:17,417 And hopefully, be a clerk typist and not have to see any of that, 350 00:21:17,610 --> 00:21:20,101 he's making a mistake because he's supporting the war. 351 00:21:27,578 --> 00:21:30,991 I remember one of our campaigns that was probably a pretty good effort... 352 00:21:31,457 --> 00:21:33,664 Was the tyrrell's boycott. 353 00:21:37,588 --> 00:21:43,083 Tyrrell's was a jewelry store at a number of bases throughout the country. 354 00:21:43,177 --> 00:21:48,137 And they used to have these guys standing out on the sidewalks soliciting you. 355 00:21:48,349 --> 00:21:50,590 G.l.s would come into town, and they'd say, 356 00:21:50,851 --> 00:21:54,639 "hey, why don't you buy your mother a ring? Why don't you buy your girlfriend a ring?" 357 00:21:54,730 --> 00:21:57,709 Particularly, they were trying to get the guys who were gonna go to Vietnam. 358 00:21:57,733 --> 00:22:00,941 "Better buy something for your mother. You might not get to see her again. 359 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,882 Something to remember you." They'd... They'd be out there hustling. 360 00:22:03,906 --> 00:22:07,945 And they knew all the different raps to pull on a lonely g.L."'S heartstrings. 361 00:22:08,327 --> 00:22:12,411 And then they used to have this deal where if you bought the ring, 362 00:22:12,498 --> 00:22:15,581 and you were killed in Vietnam, any payments were suspended. 363 00:22:16,085 --> 00:22:17,950 The ring was paid off at that point. 364 00:22:18,295 --> 00:22:22,288 And they put your name in the window on the tyrrell's roll call of honor. 365 00:22:22,466 --> 00:22:25,708 Which was outrageous, because it was like, "oh, you owed us money and got killed, 366 00:22:26,053 --> 00:22:29,090 so we're gonna put your name in the window to get some other guy to do it." 367 00:22:31,308 --> 00:22:34,550 So we decided to start a boycott at the store in killeen. 368 00:22:34,645 --> 00:22:38,058 And we began picket lines in front of the tyrrell's place. 369 00:22:38,190 --> 00:22:40,772 They arrested picketers at several times. 370 00:22:41,235 --> 00:22:42,975 We'd try and maintain the picket lines. 371 00:22:43,445 --> 00:22:45,561 But what happened was the tyrrell's boycott... 372 00:22:45,656 --> 00:22:48,147 Started spreading to other places around the country, 373 00:22:48,242 --> 00:22:51,109 'cause word of our protest started spreading. 374 00:22:51,203 --> 00:22:55,742 There was g.I. Activist groups all over the country by this point. 375 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,480 But along with the growth of the movement came the attacks. 376 00:23:15,644 --> 00:23:18,886 The shelter half coffeehouse near fort Lewis in Washington... 377 00:23:18,981 --> 00:23:21,597 Was declared off-limits by the military. 378 00:23:21,984 --> 00:23:26,227 And in Columbia, south Carolina, the staff of the u.F.O. Coffeehouse... 379 00:23:26,405 --> 00:23:31,069 Was arrested and charged with maintaining a public nuisance. 380 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,526 Night riders shot into a movement center... 381 00:23:33,621 --> 00:23:38,536 Near camp Pendleton marine base in California, seriously wounding one marine. 382 00:23:38,626 --> 00:23:42,118 And in mountain home, Idaho, the covered wagon coffeehouse... 383 00:23:42,463 --> 00:23:46,047 Was firebombed and burned to the ground. 384 00:23:46,342 --> 00:23:49,630 In the little town of muldraugh, Kentucky, home of fort Knox, 385 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,258 a scene worthy of Franz kafka emerged. 386 00:23:53,349 --> 00:23:56,887 Soldiers were mostly the driving force, and we were the supporters. 387 00:23:57,144 --> 00:23:59,977 And they did things like put up pictures of Che Guevara. 388 00:24:00,147 --> 00:24:04,732 They put up a... one whole wall was an American flag painted upside down. 389 00:24:04,944 --> 00:24:06,559 The stars part of it was a toilet seat. 390 00:24:06,654 --> 00:24:12,024 And if you lifted the toilet seat up, there was lyndon Johnson's picture. 391 00:24:12,409 --> 00:24:15,367 And when the police officer who came in to examine the place saw that, 392 00:24:15,454 --> 00:24:17,410 he just hit the roof. 393 00:24:17,665 --> 00:24:21,874 I got sent to fort Knox, Kentucky, to protect the nation's gold supply. 394 00:24:22,378 --> 00:24:23,959 I got to Knox at a time when... 395 00:24:24,046 --> 00:24:26,206 Their coffeehouse was experiencing a lot of repression. 396 00:24:26,256 --> 00:24:29,544 I spent 13 days in this little jail... 397 00:24:29,635 --> 00:24:33,173 That still had a trapdoor from when they did lynchings from before the civil war. 398 00:24:33,263 --> 00:24:35,629 There was a hook up on the wall. 399 00:24:35,724 --> 00:24:38,682 What they were trying to do was drive us out of town. 400 00:24:38,769 --> 00:24:43,854 But we weren't going away. They indicted six people for two offenses. 401 00:24:43,941 --> 00:24:47,104 One was "maintaining a place... 402 00:24:47,528 --> 00:24:51,112 Visited by idle and evil disposed people.โ€ 403 00:24:51,407 --> 00:24:54,427 We always thought, "'ildle and evil disposed people'? You mean, like soldiers?" 404 00:24:54,451 --> 00:24:57,739 [ Muskat I the whole emphasis of the coffeehouse in giving us... 405 00:24:57,830 --> 00:25:01,869 An off-base center to congregate and meet was a good thing. 406 00:25:02,292 --> 00:25:06,126 But in defending those centers to exist, it pulled us off the base, 407 00:25:06,213 --> 00:25:10,798 which is where we were effective and, um, powerful. 408 00:25:10,884 --> 00:25:15,173 Put us in a coffeehouse, we were just like a bunch of other young people in a coffeehouse. 409 00:25:15,305 --> 00:25:19,423 Put us in a barracks with a stack of papers and half a dozen guys around us, 410 00:25:19,518 --> 00:25:21,634 and we were fucking atlas. 411 00:25:21,729 --> 00:25:25,267 A new phenomenon has cropped up at several army bases these days... 412 00:25:25,524 --> 00:25:30,735 A so-called underground g.I. Press, which consists largely of antiwar newspapers. 413 00:25:30,821 --> 00:25:33,528 Military authorities are clamping down hard on the papers. 414 00:25:33,615 --> 00:25:37,028 There was an underground newspaper laying on the bed, 415 00:25:37,411 --> 00:25:39,572 and it was called the last harass. 416 00:25:39,663 --> 00:25:42,450 They freaked out, man. They were freaking out. 417 00:25:42,666 --> 00:25:46,659 "This is unauthorized material. And this is subversive material. 418 00:25:46,837 --> 00:25:50,671 You're not allowed to have any copies of this inside barracks. Turn this in immediately." 419 00:25:50,758 --> 00:25:54,250 That night then, the paper then went around in the barracks. 420 00:25:54,344 --> 00:25:56,464 Everybody's reading it... Two or three guys at a time, 421 00:25:56,513 --> 00:26:00,131 sitting around on a bed... around guys' beds and stuff... checking out this paper. 422 00:26:00,392 --> 00:26:03,759 What I liked about it was the officers hated it. 423 00:26:03,854 --> 00:26:06,391 - To me... - It had to be good. 424 00:26:06,523 --> 00:26:10,266 It had to be good. There had to be something about this that was good. 425 00:26:10,402 --> 00:26:14,270 Typed, mimeographed, printed, the g.I. Underground press exploded. 426 00:26:16,784 --> 00:26:19,776 Fun, travel and adventure, the last harass. 427 00:26:19,870 --> 00:26:21,826 Fed up!, fort benning, Georgia, 428 00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:25,039 chanute air force base, a four-year bummer, fort dix, New Jersey, shakedown. 429 00:26:25,084 --> 00:26:28,668 Fort hood, Texas, fatigue press is published by a group of radical soldiers... 430 00:26:28,754 --> 00:26:30,585 Stationed at this army base. 431 00:26:30,672 --> 00:26:33,539 And we used to distribute it clandestinely on base. 432 00:26:33,675 --> 00:26:36,667 We'd go around and leave bunches of 'em in barracks. 433 00:26:36,762 --> 00:26:40,550 We'd go through barracks at night and leave 'em on footlockers. 434 00:26:40,641 --> 00:26:45,806 If you were caught distributing literature on base, that was a court-martial offense. 435 00:26:45,896 --> 00:26:48,512 [ Narrator I shortly after the first issue was published, 436 00:26:48,607 --> 00:26:51,098 the g.I. Who founded the fatigue press, gypsy Peterson, 437 00:26:51,610 --> 00:26:53,521 was pulled over by fort hood police. 438 00:26:53,612 --> 00:26:58,982 And they vacuumed out his car and claimed to have found remnants of marijuana... 439 00:26:59,368 --> 00:27:04,283 And arrested him for possession of marijuana, in an attempt to suppress his movement. 440 00:27:04,456 --> 00:27:07,414 [ Narrator I following a two-day trial in a Texas court, 441 00:27:07,501 --> 00:27:11,164 gypsy Peterson was sentenced to eight years in prison. 442 00:27:11,630 --> 00:27:14,087 Despite the military's best efforts, 443 00:27:14,174 --> 00:27:17,382 the underground press became the lifeblood of the g.I. Movement, 444 00:27:17,469 --> 00:27:21,838 as the army's own recruiting slogan, "fun, travel and adventure,โ€ 445 00:27:21,932 --> 00:27:25,174 turned into the popular g.L. Expression, 446 00:27:25,477 --> 00:27:26,933 "fuck the army." 447 00:27:27,146 --> 00:27:30,388 [ Muskat I there must have been close to 300 antiwar newspapers... 448 00:27:30,482 --> 00:27:33,440 Written, produced and published on bases all throughout the world. 449 00:27:33,527 --> 00:27:36,394 It was wherever there were g.L.S... 450 00:27:36,530 --> 00:27:39,021 American g.L.S in the world. 451 00:27:39,283 --> 00:27:41,069 Linking soldiers around the world, 452 00:27:41,493 --> 00:27:44,451 the g.I. Press also inspired many outside the military. 453 00:27:44,538 --> 00:27:48,531 I grew up believing that if our flag was flying over a battlefield, 454 00:27:48,709 --> 00:27:50,495 that we were on the side of the angels. 455 00:27:50,627 --> 00:27:54,996 My father fought in the second world war. He won awards and medals and... 456 00:27:55,340 --> 00:27:57,877 You know, I grew up during the "good wars." 457 00:27:58,385 --> 00:27:59,841 Here's this woman... 458 00:28:00,053 --> 00:28:03,216 Who steps out onto the world stage as a famous actress, 459 00:28:03,473 --> 00:28:06,590 comes from one of the ruling class families in Hollywood, 460 00:28:07,060 --> 00:28:10,644 and makes a political decision to change sides. 461 00:28:10,898 --> 00:28:14,561 She steps onto the side of the people, and particularly the vietnamese people. 462 00:28:14,776 --> 00:28:17,859 She stands with the g.L.S, and she stands with the g.I. Movement. 463 00:28:18,363 --> 00:28:20,884 And she says, "I'm going to stand with this. I'm going to give vent. 464 00:28:20,908 --> 00:28:23,069 I'm going to help support it and build it, et cetera.โ€ 465 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,071 And the f.T.A. Show... 466 00:28:25,287 --> 00:28:28,495 Mr. president, there's a terrible demonstration going on outside. 467 00:28:28,624 --> 00:28:30,810 Oh, there's always a demonstration going on outside, pat. 468 00:28:30,834 --> 00:28:33,115 Yeah, but, Richard, this one is completely out of control. 469 00:28:33,587 --> 00:28:35,187 Well, what are they asking for this time? 470 00:28:35,255 --> 00:28:37,496 Free Angela Davis and all political prisoners, 471 00:28:37,758 --> 00:28:40,090 out of Vietnam now, and draft all government officials. 472 00:28:40,510 --> 00:28:42,150 Well, we have people to take care of that. 473 00:28:42,179 --> 00:28:44,966 They'll do their job, you do your job, and I'll do my job. 474 00:28:45,224 --> 00:28:47,410 But, Richard, you don't understand. They're storming the white house. 475 00:28:47,434 --> 00:28:49,078 In that case, I better call the third marines. 476 00:28:49,102 --> 00:28:50,933 You can't. Why not? 477 00:28:51,271 --> 00:28:53,478 It is the third marines. Oh. 478 00:28:53,565 --> 00:28:56,398 [ Narrator I for years, pro-war comedian, Bob hope, 479 00:28:56,526 --> 00:29:00,314 had toured Vietnam entertaining American troops. 480 00:29:00,405 --> 00:29:02,396 But soon, the cheers turned to jeers, 481 00:29:02,491 --> 00:29:05,198 and a new kind of entertainment emerged. 482 00:29:06,870 --> 00:29:11,364 Howard Levy, himself a celebrity within the g.I. Movement, 483 00:29:11,583 --> 00:29:14,575 he met with Donald sutherland and me, and he said, 484 00:29:14,670 --> 00:29:20,165 "what if we put together an antiwar show... 485 00:29:20,425 --> 00:29:24,919 That's, you know, the opposite side of the coin from the... from the Bob hope show?" 486 00:29:25,138 --> 00:29:27,925 Went down to that base j 487 00:29:28,183 --> 00:29:30,048 j they took one look at my face j 488 00:29:30,394 --> 00:29:33,056 j and read out an order to bar me j 489 00:29:33,397 --> 00:29:36,434 j I said foxtrot tango, Alpha j 490 00:29:38,110 --> 00:29:40,567 j free the army j 491 00:29:40,654 --> 00:29:44,317 "f" the army. We always said "free the army," 492 00:29:44,491 --> 00:29:46,402 or "fun, travel and adventure,โ€ 493 00:29:46,493 --> 00:29:48,700 but it really meant... the army. 494 00:29:48,912 --> 00:29:50,743 - So we said... - J foxtrot, tango, Alpha j 495 00:29:51,123 --> 00:29:53,330 say it. 496 00:29:53,417 --> 00:29:58,377 Fuck the army! And the Navy and the marines! 497 00:29:58,588 --> 00:30:02,126 Here was a way that I could combine my profession, my acting, 498 00:30:02,467 --> 00:30:04,753 with my desire to end the war. 499 00:30:04,970 --> 00:30:07,962 It just seemed like a perfect fit. 500 00:30:08,056 --> 00:30:10,638 The show... the show that we bring to these bases... 501 00:30:11,059 --> 00:30:14,176 Is not trying to tell the people on the bases anything that they don't know. 502 00:30:14,604 --> 00:30:16,845 We are coming in response to what is... 503 00:30:17,107 --> 00:30:19,294 Probably the most powerful movement going on in this country. 504 00:30:19,318 --> 00:30:22,276 The movement of the men inside the military... and women... 505 00:30:22,362 --> 00:30:24,522 Who are beginning to understand how they're being used, 506 00:30:24,573 --> 00:30:27,531 and what the nature of American foreign policy is. 507 00:30:27,617 --> 00:30:29,573 And we come there because they have asked us to. 508 00:30:29,661 --> 00:30:34,030 We come there because for the last year we have read in the newspapers from Vietnam, 509 00:30:34,541 --> 00:30:37,829 from west Germany, from okinawa, from the Philippines, from Japan... 510 00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:41,707 What we want is entertainment. We want people who speak to how we feel. 511 00:30:41,798 --> 00:30:43,985 The majority of us don't know why we're going over there. 512 00:30:44,009 --> 00:30:47,718 We don't know why we're being shot up, we don't know why our buddies are being killed, 513 00:30:47,846 --> 00:30:50,838 we don't know why we're killing those people. 514 00:30:50,932 --> 00:30:54,390 If it'd been another time and place and another war, 515 00:30:54,478 --> 00:30:56,810 I might have actually been a very good soldier, 516 00:30:56,980 --> 00:31:00,768 because there's part of the military life that I really liked. 517 00:31:00,859 --> 00:31:02,565 This replaced my dog tags. 518 00:31:05,614 --> 00:31:09,778 This little teardrop peace sign became my official dog tag for myself. 519 00:31:10,035 --> 00:31:14,028 I went through my whole tour in vietham without a set of dog tags. 520 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:21,164 Anything but thinking about where you were. 521 00:31:21,380 --> 00:31:24,400 You started thinking about where you were, that's when you started getting in trouble. 522 00:31:24,424 --> 00:31:26,460 That's when I started getting in trouble. 523 00:31:26,635 --> 00:31:30,753 'Cause then I started, you know... 524 00:31:30,847 --> 00:31:34,385 I started really seeing... 525 00:31:43,485 --> 00:31:45,405 I started seeing stuff like I'm seeing right now. 526 00:31:45,487 --> 00:31:47,352 Um... 527 00:31:49,866 --> 00:31:52,903 You know, it's-it's, um... 528 00:31:55,956 --> 00:32:01,542 The way we judged our success... 529 00:32:01,628 --> 00:32:04,791 Was through body count. 530 00:32:05,173 --> 00:32:07,789 And most of the time, 531 00:32:08,218 --> 00:32:12,962 even though I was part of the, um, command structure... 532 00:32:13,473 --> 00:32:17,716 Being first a squad leader and then a platoon sergeant... 533 00:32:18,186 --> 00:32:20,347 Um, most of the time, 534 00:32:20,397 --> 00:32:25,562 it's supposed to be my responsibility to, um, 535 00:32:25,652 --> 00:32:30,362 you know, do things like check the bodies and... 536 00:32:30,615 --> 00:32:34,358 But, um, I never wanted to do that. 537 00:32:34,494 --> 00:32:37,986 That's== I== 538 00:32:38,081 --> 00:32:42,666 that's not what I wanted to understand that I was doing. 539 00:32:42,794 --> 00:32:46,628 I was brought into the, um, company office. 540 00:32:46,715 --> 00:32:50,583 And I was told by a major... 541 00:32:51,094 --> 00:32:54,177 That I would be brought up on charges... 542 00:32:54,681 --> 00:32:58,390 Of leading and conspiring to mutiny against the United States government, 543 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:03,224 because there were three of us who were refusing to go on combat operations, 544 00:33:03,315 --> 00:33:06,682 and that I would be facing a 20-to-life sentence. 545 00:33:07,194 --> 00:33:09,731 And so I just... I walked out of there in shock, 546 00:33:10,238 --> 00:33:14,106 thinking, "well, I'm going to jail for a long time." 547 00:33:15,785 --> 00:33:17,400 I didn't know there was a g.L. Movement. 548 00:33:17,496 --> 00:33:23,617 I just had this strong moral sense of-of something not being right. 549 00:33:24,085 --> 00:33:27,919 And then they sent me to see the, quote, "company shrink." 550 00:33:28,006 --> 00:33:30,086 He said, "well, what are you really concerned about?" 551 00:33:30,175 --> 00:33:35,636 I said, "ll don't care about prison time. I just want to have... 552 00:33:35,722 --> 00:33:40,011 Some connection with my home." 553 00:33:40,143 --> 00:33:44,261 I didn't want to be ostracized from American culture and society. 554 00:33:44,523 --> 00:33:47,356 And he said, "well, let me show you something." 555 00:33:47,567 --> 00:33:50,980 And he reached into the... Into some drawer that he had, 556 00:33:51,446 --> 00:33:53,903 and he pulled out this New York times newspaper. 557 00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:57,778 And there's a full-page ad that had all these signatures... 558 00:33:57,869 --> 00:34:01,737 Of all these people who were opposed to the war. 559 00:34:01,831 --> 00:34:04,789 It was a full-page advertisement... 560 00:34:04,876 --> 00:34:08,664 Signed by 1,400 active-duty soldiers, 561 00:34:08,755 --> 00:34:12,623 denouncing the war and supporting the November 15 demonstration... 562 00:34:13,134 --> 00:34:15,546 The November 15 moratorium demonstration. 563 00:34:15,637 --> 00:34:20,051 The discussion started going to say, "well, man, why don't we do something?โ€ 564 00:34:20,141 --> 00:34:23,474 On this day, November 15, we're all gonna wear these black armbands. 565 00:34:23,645 --> 00:34:26,682 - Mm-hmm. - As a form of symbolic solidarity... 566 00:34:26,940 --> 00:34:28,555 With the protest in the United States. 567 00:34:28,650 --> 00:34:31,858 We were up all night long just talking about this. And I was so... 568 00:34:32,195 --> 00:34:36,404 I couldn't sleep. There was no way. I was so... so excited by this point. 569 00:34:36,616 --> 00:34:40,325 So we go out in the morning formation. All our guys had black shoestrings on. 570 00:34:40,495 --> 00:34:44,079 We'd get over to the combat engineers now, though, it was a different story. 571 00:34:44,374 --> 00:34:48,492 The company commander had grabbed... Had some guy by the... by the collar... 572 00:34:48,587 --> 00:34:50,703 And had his .45 pistol up to his head. 573 00:34:50,797 --> 00:34:53,755 Damn. - You could vaguely hear him threatening this guy... 574 00:34:53,842 --> 00:34:59,053 To summarily execute him on the spot, because he's inciting a mutiny. 575 00:35:00,724 --> 00:35:02,965 I've seen Charlie, Luke the gook, 576 00:35:03,059 --> 00:35:06,222 whatever you want to call him, n.V.A., right there laying down as I walked by. 577 00:35:06,563 --> 00:35:08,178 I looked at him. He looks at me. 578 00:35:08,273 --> 00:35:10,633 Keep going about my business. This man didn't do me nothing. 579 00:35:10,734 --> 00:35:13,796 He didn't hurt me in no way. He didn't hurt none of my black people, my families. 580 00:35:13,820 --> 00:35:15,856 So why should I shoot him? 581 00:35:15,989 --> 00:35:20,904 I feel all black men should be exempt from, uh, military duty anyway. 582 00:35:21,244 --> 00:35:22,905 Because, uh, right on. 583 00:35:22,996 --> 00:35:27,490 The only place a black man should fight is where he's being oppressed. 584 00:35:27,626 --> 00:35:30,413 I'm not being oppressed in Japan, I'm not being oppressed in Vietnam, 585 00:35:30,670 --> 00:35:32,501 and I'm not being oppressed in Pakistan. 586 00:35:32,589 --> 00:35:35,080 Guys were coming from all over the country. 587 00:35:35,175 --> 00:35:38,212 So you're getting people coming in with different information... 588 00:35:38,678 --> 00:35:40,919 About black power struggle at that time, and, you know, 589 00:35:41,181 --> 00:35:43,888 black unity, and, you know, feeling real good about yourself. 590 00:35:44,225 --> 00:35:47,558 And you had to really question what you were doing in Vietnam. 591 00:35:49,439 --> 00:35:54,399 [ Airplane passing overhead I 592 00:35:54,486 --> 00:35:57,853 I remember one day this first sergeant was talking about gooks. 593 00:35:58,031 --> 00:36:01,774 Show you how naive I was, I didn't know that gook was a racial slur. 594 00:36:01,993 --> 00:36:03,633 I didn't really understand that, you know. 595 00:36:03,703 --> 00:36:07,946 One day he was talking about gooks, and a light went off in my head. 596 00:36:08,083 --> 00:36:11,120 And I said, "wow. A gook is the same thing as a nigger.โ€ 597 00:36:15,006 --> 00:36:17,964 My whole tour in Vietnam, when you met a black soldier, 598 00:36:18,051 --> 00:36:20,508 you know, he had a dap, you had a special handshake. 599 00:36:20,595 --> 00:36:25,760 You got to the point where you could even tell what part of the country he was from, 600 00:36:25,850 --> 00:36:28,808 because everybody had their distinctive... the dap or handshake. 601 00:36:28,895 --> 00:36:31,432 And you definitely could tell if he wasn't in your company, 602 00:36:31,564 --> 00:36:33,930 because everybody had their little nuance. 603 00:36:34,067 --> 00:36:37,059 This is the greeting. This is the greeting of a brother... of my brother. 604 00:36:37,153 --> 00:36:39,690 I'm glad to see him. I don't have to know his name. Yeah. 605 00:36:40,156 --> 00:36:42,613 Just the fact that he's black is good enough for me. You dig? 606 00:36:42,701 --> 00:36:48,071 Then we... we know we got a common ground. We got a cause to fight. 607 00:36:48,456 --> 00:36:51,744 Far out. Oh. Oh. 608 00:36:51,835 --> 00:36:53,755 - You slap this way. This way. - Okay. Other way. 609 00:36:54,003 --> 00:36:56,460 Then fist, fist, then high. 610 00:36:56,548 --> 00:36:58,504 And then the down this way like this. Oh, yeah. 611 00:36:58,717 --> 00:37:01,459 Oh, let's do this one again. I like that. You come down, you grab. 612 00:37:04,889 --> 00:37:07,346 There you go. That's it! 613 00:37:07,642 --> 00:37:10,634 Like in the marine corps, the bloods... especially on the bases... 614 00:37:10,729 --> 00:37:14,688 They-they-they been going to jail for giving dap, the power, the handshake. 615 00:37:14,816 --> 00:37:17,398 But this is the way we greet each other. This is the way. 616 00:37:17,569 --> 00:37:19,850 They been going to jail for doing it... just for doing it. 617 00:37:23,950 --> 00:37:27,693 Long binh jail was the stockade in long binh, Vietnam. 618 00:37:27,829 --> 00:37:31,447 It was pretty much just like jails in America... 99.9% black. 619 00:37:31,708 --> 00:37:35,417 There was a lot of violence in this prison, a lot of stuff going on. 620 00:37:35,587 --> 00:37:39,330 People were angry. It was a pretty dire situation. 621 00:37:39,466 --> 00:37:42,879 A group of inmates got together, 622 00:37:43,052 --> 00:37:46,886 and we decided that, uh, we were going to escape from this place. 623 00:37:46,973 --> 00:37:49,635 And, um, what happened was is that... 624 00:37:49,726 --> 00:37:52,433 The result of was a long binh rebellion... 625 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,513 Where a lot of g.I.S, um, accosted guards, 626 00:37:56,608 --> 00:37:59,224 and, uh, they burnt down the jail, 627 00:37:59,611 --> 00:38:01,272 and it was just mayhem. 628 00:38:03,573 --> 00:38:07,441 I'm a survivor, so I was going to survive no matter what. 629 00:38:21,299 --> 00:38:24,086 The president, uh, shaked my hand... 630 00:38:24,344 --> 00:38:27,632 And pinned a medal on, uh, me. 631 00:38:27,722 --> 00:38:32,341 You can say that that was one of the most proudest moments of my life. 632 00:38:32,644 --> 00:38:36,728 How did you come to the decision to desert? 633 00:38:36,815 --> 00:38:41,309 You know, when you're laying on your back, and you can't move for day in and day out, 634 00:38:41,486 --> 00:38:43,977 you have a lot of time to think. 635 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,355 So, um, 636 00:38:46,449 --> 00:38:49,407 you think about what you did, you know, what you've done, 637 00:38:49,494 --> 00:38:53,828 things that you've gone through, the people that you've killed, 638 00:38:54,207 --> 00:38:56,664 the people that have died. 639 00:38:56,751 --> 00:39:00,335 I mean, there's always something that reminds you... 640 00:39:00,588 --> 00:39:04,080 Of, uh, things that you've done in Vietnam. 641 00:39:04,259 --> 00:39:06,716 The things that you've seen. 642 00:39:06,803 --> 00:39:10,967 Then you actually see what I saw, 643 00:39:11,182 --> 00:39:14,299 what was going on in the states. 644 00:39:14,519 --> 00:39:16,430 Dudes are running down the streets... 645 00:39:16,688 --> 00:39:20,931 And wearing the same kind of uniform that I got. 646 00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:22,940 They're in Memphis. 647 00:39:23,319 --> 00:39:27,437 They're-they're-they're... they're beating up on people. 648 00:39:33,621 --> 00:39:38,331 And you're beating up on... black people. 649 00:39:38,543 --> 00:39:42,832 Uh, dogs are running everywhere. Tanks are on the streets. 650 00:39:43,256 --> 00:39:46,544 [ Narrator I in the summer of 1968, army and national guard troops... 651 00:39:46,634 --> 00:39:49,967 Were sent in to American cities as thousands of black people rioted... 652 00:39:50,179 --> 00:39:54,092 Following the assassination of Martin Luther King. - 653 00:39:54,601 --> 00:39:56,182 that spring, troops were used... 654 00:39:56,269 --> 00:40:00,228 Against antiwar demonstrators at the Pentagon. 655 00:40:00,648 --> 00:40:04,766 Then in August, soldiers at fort hood were told they would be sent to Chicago... 656 00:40:04,861 --> 00:40:10,276 Where antiwar demonstrations were planned for the Democratic party's national convention. 657 00:40:10,617 --> 00:40:13,057 Hey, we just come back from fighting the vietnamese, 658 00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:16,361 and now they want us to fight the Americans. 659 00:40:16,456 --> 00:40:18,913 The night before the troops were supposed to leave, 660 00:40:19,208 --> 00:40:23,326 there was a meeting of black g.L.S that gathered up in a parking lot... 661 00:40:23,630 --> 00:40:25,666 In the first armored division section. 662 00:40:26,132 --> 00:40:28,532 And they were out there all night in the parking lot talking. 663 00:40:28,635 --> 00:40:30,796 And they were having, like, a rap session or rally... 664 00:40:30,887 --> 00:40:34,505 Why they were opposed to going to Chicago. 665 00:40:34,724 --> 00:40:38,308 We were making it clear that it was a genocidal thing that was going to go on, 666 00:40:38,394 --> 00:40:41,261 and how can I go and commit genocide on my people? 667 00:40:41,356 --> 00:40:46,191 Shoot my people? There were hundreds of black g.L.S out in this parade field. 668 00:40:46,569 --> 00:40:49,185 Brothers came up and really started pouring it on then... 669 00:40:49,614 --> 00:40:53,027 About, you know, discrimination and unfair treatment, 670 00:40:53,493 --> 00:40:55,404 not getting the rank that they needed... 671 00:40:55,495 --> 00:40:58,703 And about what was happening with the war. 672 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,120 [ Narrator I as the meeting stretched into the night, 673 00:41:01,250 --> 00:41:04,959 fort hood's commanding general showed up to talk to the g.L.S. 674 00:41:05,213 --> 00:41:08,501 He said, "I'm just a two-star general. Let me go and talk to my boss, 675 00:41:08,591 --> 00:41:10,707 and I'll have an answer for you I the morning." 676 00:41:10,802 --> 00:41:14,386 So, you know, we just relaxed, you know, went to sleep. 677 00:41:14,639 --> 00:41:18,131 All of a sudden, crack upside the head. They cracked me upside the head. 678 00:41:18,226 --> 00:41:23,516 What the hell? You know, uh, what the hell's going on? M.P.S all around us, man. 679 00:41:23,731 --> 00:41:25,847 They came at us with bayonets. 680 00:41:25,942 --> 00:41:29,776 I got cut. You know, I got hit right here with a bayonet. 681 00:41:29,862 --> 00:41:33,946 And then, every now and then, they opened this formation up. 682 00:41:34,242 --> 00:41:38,201 And a group of m.P.S come in and grab a brother... 683 00:41:38,663 --> 00:41:41,700 And take him back in the back and beat the shit out of him. 684 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,163 You hear him screaming in the back. You know, shit like that. 685 00:41:45,586 --> 00:41:47,167 I said, "damn." 686 00:41:47,255 --> 00:41:49,667 [ Cline I and they were court-martialed... 687 00:41:49,757 --> 00:41:52,339 Brought up on various court-martial charges, 688 00:41:52,510 --> 00:41:56,298 but it scared the hell out of the military. 689 00:41:56,389 --> 00:42:00,507 Then they went around and went through the roster of all the units... 690 00:42:00,601 --> 00:42:06,016 Who were supposed to go, and took off who they considered to be, quote, "subversives." 691 00:42:06,399 --> 00:42:09,732 So a number of people, myself included, were not sent to Chicago. 692 00:42:11,654 --> 00:42:14,270 [ Narrator I in one of the most infamous events of the 1960s, 693 00:42:14,449 --> 00:42:17,236 Chicago police brutally attacked the demonstrators... 694 00:42:17,493 --> 00:42:19,449 In front of the Democratic convention. 695 00:42:19,704 --> 00:42:23,538 J 696 00:42:23,624 --> 00:42:26,286 Although the army had sent a contingent of riot-control troops... 697 00:42:26,377 --> 00:42:30,461 To Chicago from fort hood, they kept them off the streets. 698 00:42:30,548 --> 00:42:34,132 It was no longer certain which side the g.L.S were on. 699 00:42:34,635 --> 00:42:36,546 The military had a problem on its hands, 700 00:42:36,637 --> 00:42:38,798 and it was about to go from bad to worse. 701 00:42:40,475 --> 00:42:43,512 We were in, uh, the breakfast line, I believe. 702 00:42:43,603 --> 00:42:47,187 It was a long line, and all of a sudden we see this commotion, 703 00:42:47,607 --> 00:42:49,472 kinda start at the beginning of the line, 704 00:42:49,567 --> 00:42:51,523 and then start to come up towards us. 705 00:42:51,778 --> 00:42:55,362 And we could see people... like, one guy would turn to the guy behind them, and they 'd... 706 00:42:55,448 --> 00:42:59,566 There'd be this excited conversation, and that guy would turn to the guy behind him, 707 00:43:00,078 --> 00:43:03,286 and finally, the guy in front of me got the news, 708 00:43:03,498 --> 00:43:06,035 and he turns around and he says to me, 709 00:43:06,250 --> 00:43:08,787 "they're killing women and children in Vietnam." 710 00:43:09,295 --> 00:43:11,752 I said, "who's killing women and children? The Vietcong?" 711 00:43:11,839 --> 00:43:13,454 And he said, "no. We are." 712 00:43:16,219 --> 00:43:19,507 [ Narrator I march 16, 1968. The soldiers of Charlie company, 713 00:43:19,597 --> 00:43:21,929 11th brigade, americal division... 714 00:43:22,308 --> 00:43:24,720 Entered the village of my lai. 715 00:43:24,811 --> 00:43:27,393 24 hours later, over 500 villagers... 716 00:43:27,522 --> 00:43:31,561 Men, women, children... lay dead, 717 00:43:31,692 --> 00:43:34,104 brutally and wantonly murdered in cold blood. 718 00:43:34,445 --> 00:43:37,528 Around the world, the my lai massacre would become the touchstone event... 719 00:43:37,782 --> 00:43:40,023 Of the Vietnam war. 720 00:43:40,535 --> 00:43:44,119 For over a year, the American military covered up the my lai massacre, 721 00:43:44,413 --> 00:43:47,530 claiming only enemy soldiers were killed. 722 00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:50,742 And when the truth was finally brought to light by journalists, 723 00:43:50,837 --> 00:43:54,625 the highest-ranking officer tried and convicted was William calley, 724 00:43:54,715 --> 00:43:56,876 a lieutenant. 725 00:43:59,971 --> 00:44:03,429 In a cramped Detroit hotel, a new organization, 726 00:44:03,599 --> 00:44:05,510 Vietnam veterans against the war, 727 00:44:05,601 --> 00:44:10,641 held an unprecedented investigation that exposed a much deeper truth. 728 00:44:10,773 --> 00:44:13,765 I think the winter soldier investigation was to try to point out... 729 00:44:13,860 --> 00:44:15,725 It wasn't really in defense of calley, 730 00:44:16,028 --> 00:44:18,485 but it was, uh, going after... 731 00:44:18,573 --> 00:44:21,531 The notion that the policies of the U.S. military... 732 00:44:21,617 --> 00:44:23,983 Created things like my lai, okay? 733 00:44:24,328 --> 00:44:27,616 That it was a policy... it was both a written and an unwritten policy. 734 00:44:27,707 --> 00:44:30,665 And the truth has to be told. You can't duck away from the truth. 735 00:44:30,751 --> 00:44:32,912 You can't lie and put up the smoke screen and say, 736 00:44:33,004 --> 00:44:35,416 "oh, this is a"... the words they used back then... 737 00:44:35,673 --> 00:44:38,665 "An isolated instance of aberrant behavior.โ€ 738 00:44:39,010 --> 00:44:41,196 You weren't just coming home sayin' I'm against the war. 739 00:44:41,220 --> 00:44:44,508 You're saying, "this is what we did. This is how we did it. 740 00:44:44,599 --> 00:44:46,715 This was a crime. This was wrong." 741 00:44:46,809 --> 00:44:50,017 Helped people to really cross the bridge and to see us... 742 00:44:50,354 --> 00:44:54,097 In a way that I think the antiwar movement had not seen g.L.S before. 743 00:44:54,192 --> 00:44:58,811 America went through... Went through a choke, okay? 744 00:44:58,905 --> 00:45:03,365 Because they didn't want to believe that these things occurred... 745 00:45:03,451 --> 00:45:05,442 In the name of the American people, 746 00:45:05,620 --> 00:45:08,987 supposedly supporting freedom and liberation... 747 00:45:09,081 --> 00:45:10,491 And democracy throughout the world. 748 00:45:10,625 --> 00:45:14,368 And there was this terrible slaughter. This terrible, inane slaughter. 749 00:45:14,503 --> 00:45:17,495 So I think the question was, 750 00:45:17,590 --> 00:45:19,776 why are they going after calley, where calley was doing... 751 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,008 Precisely what we were all told to do when we were in vietham... essentially. 752 00:45:23,346 --> 00:45:26,634 Okay? Which is, kill them all, and sort it out later. 753 00:45:26,724 --> 00:45:30,512 In quang tri city, I had a friend who was, uh, 754 00:45:30,603 --> 00:45:33,515 he was an adviser with an arvn group, and one time he asked me, 755 00:45:33,606 --> 00:45:37,224 would I like to accompany him into a village that I was familiar with... 756 00:45:37,443 --> 00:45:40,150 And see how they act... So I went with them, and, uh... 757 00:45:40,238 --> 00:45:43,526 They didn't find any enemy, but they found a woman with bandages. 758 00:45:43,616 --> 00:45:46,449 So she was questioned with about... 759 00:45:46,577 --> 00:45:49,417 She was questioned by six arvns, and the way that they questioned her... 760 00:45:49,622 --> 00:45:52,329 Was, since she had bandages, uh, they shot her. 761 00:45:52,416 --> 00:45:55,579 She was hit about 20 times. So after she was questioned, 762 00:45:55,711 --> 00:45:58,168 uh, of course, dead, uh... 763 00:45:58,464 --> 00:46:02,878 This guy come over, who was... knowing him, he was a former major... 764 00:46:03,261 --> 00:46:06,469 Who was in the service for 20 years, and he got hungry again and came back, 765 00:46:06,597 --> 00:46:08,758 workin' with u.S.A.I.D. 766 00:46:08,849 --> 00:46:10,714 Aid international development. 767 00:46:11,018 --> 00:46:13,430 And, uh... he, uh, 768 00:46:13,521 --> 00:46:17,560 went over there and ripped her clothes off, and took a knife and... 769 00:46:17,650 --> 00:46:20,813 Cut from her vagina, all the way up... Well, just about up to her breasts. 770 00:46:20,945 --> 00:46:25,029 And pulled her organs out. Completely out of her cavity. 771 00:46:25,366 --> 00:46:27,526 And threw 'em out. And then he stopped, and knelt over, 772 00:46:27,576 --> 00:46:30,818 and, uh, commenced to peel every bit of skin off her body. 773 00:46:30,913 --> 00:46:33,575 And left her there, as a... as a sign for something or other. 774 00:46:33,666 --> 00:46:37,625 And so I gave other testimony... One about the rabbit lesson, 775 00:46:37,837 --> 00:46:40,065 which I thought was very important, and I still think it is. 776 00:46:40,089 --> 00:46:44,298 And that was, at the end of staging battalion, at the camp Pendleton base, 777 00:46:44,468 --> 00:46:47,301 uh, in California, for marines, before you went to Vietnam. 778 00:46:47,513 --> 00:46:49,593 Where the staff n.C.O. Comes out and he has a rabbit, 779 00:46:50,016 --> 00:46:53,179 and he's talking to you about escape and evasion, and survival in the jungle, 780 00:46:53,602 --> 00:46:56,014 and he has this rabbit, and then, in a couple of seconds, 781 00:46:56,105 --> 00:46:58,517 well, everyone just about falls in love with it... 782 00:46:58,607 --> 00:47:02,020 Not falls in love with it, but, you know, they're humane there... 783 00:47:02,236 --> 00:47:06,900 He cracks the neck, skins it, disembowels it just like I said... 784 00:47:06,991 --> 00:47:08,982 Testified that this happened to a woman... 785 00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,243 He does this to a rabbit, and then they throw the guts out in the audience. 786 00:47:12,496 --> 00:47:15,988 And takes the skin of the rabbit and turns it inside out and makes... 787 00:47:16,083 --> 00:47:18,540 Makes a little bootee for his foot, 788 00:47:18,627 --> 00:47:21,744 and says you might have to do this in case your helicopter crashes in Vietnam. 789 00:47:22,173 --> 00:47:23,913 Or you're separated from your unit. 790 00:47:24,383 --> 00:47:27,170 And I thought the subtext of that little lesson was to-to... 791 00:47:27,428 --> 00:47:29,714 To completely brutalize people. 792 00:47:29,930 --> 00:47:32,810 You can get anything out of that you want, but that's your last lesson... 793 00:47:32,975 --> 00:47:34,661 In the United States before you leave for Vietnam. 794 00:47:34,685 --> 00:47:37,176 And I went and listened to the three days of testimony, 795 00:47:37,396 --> 00:47:41,890 and absolutely came away from it emotionally drained and floored by it. 796 00:47:42,068 --> 00:47:46,311 I never grasped, even up to that point, 797 00:47:46,489 --> 00:47:52,075 how powerful was the genocidal plans and strategy... 798 00:47:52,578 --> 00:47:54,218 Of the U.S. towards the vietnamese people. 799 00:47:54,288 --> 00:47:58,907 On every level, you know, whether it was agent orange, 800 00:47:59,001 --> 00:48:02,869 and dow chemical reconfiguring the napalm, 801 00:48:02,963 --> 00:48:07,457 because the napalm wasn't sticking to the vietnamese skin enough. 802 00:48:07,635 --> 00:48:11,469 I mean, that was, you know... all of this just added to the overwhelming sense... 803 00:48:11,555 --> 00:48:14,547 Of the criminality of the United States. 804 00:48:17,311 --> 00:48:19,498 [ Narrator I claiming to have "a secret plan to end the war," 805 00:48:19,522 --> 00:48:23,390 Richard Nixon had been elected president in 1968. 806 00:48:23,651 --> 00:48:26,313 But in 1970, he expanded the war, 807 00:48:26,404 --> 00:48:32,149 ordering an invasion of Cambodia, Vietnam's neighbor. 808 00:48:32,493 --> 00:48:36,611 That spring, I drove across country for two months, 809 00:48:36,705 --> 00:48:40,664 and during that time, Nixon invaded Cambodia, 810 00:48:41,085 --> 00:48:43,201 four students were killed at Kent state, 811 00:48:43,295 --> 00:48:45,581 two were killed at Jackson state... 812 00:48:45,798 --> 00:48:47,413 I mean, it was somethin'. 813 00:48:47,508 --> 00:48:50,841 [ Narrator I as anger over the invasion and killings exploded, 814 00:48:51,053 --> 00:48:53,419 the g.I. Movement entered a new era. 815 00:48:53,556 --> 00:48:56,423 This was armed forces day, and in many cities across the country, 816 00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,433 there were the usual parades, displays and bands. 817 00:48:59,645 --> 00:49:02,637 But the recent surge of protest over the war in indochina... 818 00:49:02,731 --> 00:49:04,972 Cast a shadow over today's activities. 819 00:49:05,484 --> 00:49:07,124 This was even true at some military bases, 820 00:49:07,153 --> 00:49:09,235 where the presence of antiwar demonstrators... 821 00:49:09,363 --> 00:49:11,228 Led to the cancellation of planned observances. 822 00:49:11,574 --> 00:49:14,657 [ Cline I a thousand g.L.S marched the first year, 823 00:49:14,910 --> 00:49:17,902 right outside the base... and they told people it was off limits, 824 00:49:17,997 --> 00:49:22,036 and they told people that if you went there, you were gonna get arrested. 825 00:49:22,376 --> 00:49:26,369 The store owners downtown were putting up plywood coverings on their windows, 826 00:49:26,547 --> 00:49:29,835 'cause the cops told them it was gonna turn into a riot. 827 00:49:30,134 --> 00:49:33,752 But then people decided to change it to "armed farces day," because you know, 828 00:49:34,013 --> 00:49:38,973 we thought makin' fun of your enemy was as valuable as yellin' at him. 829 00:49:39,268 --> 00:49:41,600 And in killeen, we had three demands. 830 00:49:41,729 --> 00:49:43,890 We had a pretty extremist slogan: 831 00:49:43,981 --> 00:49:47,849 "Avenge the Kent state and Jackson state killings." 832 00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,021 So we had "end the war." 833 00:49:50,112 --> 00:49:53,855 The third slogan, I think, had to do with the political prisoners goin'. 834 00:49:53,949 --> 00:49:57,237 Because, at that time, the black panther party was... 835 00:49:57,495 --> 00:50:01,363 Starting to gain some strength, and there was repression against them. 836 00:50:03,042 --> 00:50:08,002 The second year, 1971, there had to be 3,000-4,000 on the street. 837 00:50:08,297 --> 00:50:09,958 J 838 00:50:31,612 --> 00:50:34,524 I've had quite a few letters recently, 839 00:50:34,615 --> 00:50:37,982 uh, concerning some of the different items... 840 00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:42,824 That radio first termer has to offer its followers. 841 00:50:42,915 --> 00:50:44,871 And one of the biggest things... 842 00:50:45,084 --> 00:50:49,168 Is the official Dave rabbit sweatshirt. 843 00:50:49,505 --> 00:50:53,373 For those of you who are unaware of what a Dave rabbit sweatshirt is, 844 00:50:53,467 --> 00:50:55,628 I'll tell you. 845 00:50:55,886 --> 00:50:59,845 It's a white sweatshirt. 846 00:51:00,307 --> 00:51:04,641 On the front of it, it has a large white rabbit. 847 00:51:05,062 --> 00:51:09,522 And the rabbit's dick is completely hard. 848 00:51:09,775 --> 00:51:12,107 The rabbit is carrying a sign. 849 00:51:12,528 --> 00:51:15,110 On the sign, it reads, 850 00:51:15,573 --> 00:51:18,064 "fuck it, before it fucks you." 851 00:51:20,286 --> 00:51:22,572 "By every conceivable indicator, our army, 852 00:51:22,788 --> 00:51:25,074 "that now remains in Vietnam, 853 00:51:25,541 --> 00:51:27,452 "is in a state approaching collapse, 854 00:51:27,543 --> 00:51:32,287 "with individual units avoiding, or having refused, combat, 855 00:51:32,464 --> 00:51:35,752 "murdering their officers, and non-commissioned officers... 856 00:51:35,843 --> 00:51:40,928 Drug-ridden and dispirited where not near-mutinous.โ€ 857 00:51:41,056 --> 00:51:42,921 [ Narrator I in the face of a determined enemy, 858 00:51:43,267 --> 00:51:47,886 an unprecedented antiwar movement, and a military near collapse, 859 00:51:47,980 --> 00:51:53,020 the Nixon administration announced the policy of "vietnamizationโ€... 860 00:51:53,193 --> 00:51:57,857 An effort to shift the burden of combat to the south vietnamese army, 861 00:51:57,948 --> 00:52:01,406 while American jets bombarded north Vietnam from the skies. 862 00:52:01,493 --> 00:52:04,735 Nixon promised that American ground troops... 863 00:52:04,913 --> 00:52:07,655 Would no longer be involved in offensive combat. 864 00:52:10,169 --> 00:52:12,626 This is Richard boyle, firebase pace... 865 00:52:12,713 --> 00:52:15,500 About two kilometers from the Cambodian border. 866 00:52:15,716 --> 00:52:19,504 I'm sitting in a bunker, with about a dozen grunts of the first cav division. 867 00:52:19,595 --> 00:52:23,429 A lot of the people are kind of wonderin' if anybody back in the world... 868 00:52:23,515 --> 00:52:25,702 - Knows that we're out here, you know? - They don't. 869 00:52:25,726 --> 00:52:29,969 Like, uh, they say that only two batteries of artillery are supposed to be here, 870 00:52:30,064 --> 00:52:33,477 and no grunts are here... you know, like, nobody... we don't even exist. 871 00:52:33,651 --> 00:52:35,437 We're just meat. 872 00:52:35,611 --> 00:52:37,647 American troops were not supposed to be in combat. 873 00:52:37,821 --> 00:52:40,187 That's why the American army denied... 874 00:52:40,574 --> 00:52:42,280 That they were there... you know, 875 00:52:42,534 --> 00:52:45,854 as far as... the briefers in Saigon, there were no American troops along the border. 876 00:52:46,121 --> 00:52:48,533 [ Soldier I does anybody know what we're fighting for? 877 00:52:48,624 --> 00:52:50,560 Do you believe you're fighting for democracy here? 878 00:52:50,584 --> 00:52:52,984 I tell you. The only thing you fightin' for... 879 00:52:53,045 --> 00:52:55,502 Is your own life... You fightin' to go back home. 880 00:52:55,589 --> 00:52:59,582 The north vietnamese had two crack regiments... 881 00:52:59,677 --> 00:53:01,633 Totally surrounding the firebase. 882 00:53:01,720 --> 00:53:04,440 It's suicide, going out there in the middle of the night. 883 00:53:04,473 --> 00:53:06,555 There's a thing about givin' an order, 884 00:53:06,684 --> 00:53:08,595 and there's a thing about usin' your head too. 885 00:53:08,686 --> 00:53:10,802 It's always the higher-highers, man. 886 00:53:10,896 --> 00:53:13,387 They don't have to go out there, they just send us. 887 00:53:13,565 --> 00:53:17,183 As soon as we start goin' out there, we'll be sittin' ducks. 888 00:53:17,444 --> 00:53:19,901 The captain, cronin, ordered six men... 889 00:53:19,988 --> 00:53:22,195 To go out on a night ambush. 890 00:53:22,449 --> 00:53:24,189 Which was basically a suicide mission. 891 00:53:24,368 --> 00:53:27,110 I mean, send six guys out against two regiments. 892 00:53:27,413 --> 00:53:30,371 And-and they said, we ain't gonna do it. We ain't gonna go. 893 00:53:30,457 --> 00:53:33,915 And the only option there was, was to get word out to the outside world. 894 00:53:34,336 --> 00:53:35,980 - And they wrote a petition. - [ Recorder clicks I 895 00:53:36,004 --> 00:53:40,498 "at the writing, we are under siege in firebase pace. 896 00:53:40,718 --> 00:53:44,006 "We are faced daily with the decision of whether... 897 00:53:44,304 --> 00:53:47,592 "To take a court-martial, or participate in offensive drill. 898 00:53:47,683 --> 00:53:50,800 "In the event of mass prosecution of our unit, 899 00:53:51,228 --> 00:53:54,561 our only hope would be public opinion, and your voice.โ€ 900 00:53:55,065 --> 00:53:57,602 [ Soldier I incoming. Got a rocket. 901 00:53:58,110 --> 00:53:59,796 Nixon was so afraid... 902 00:53:59,820 --> 00:54:02,857 He ordered that company pulled out. 903 00:54:02,948 --> 00:54:05,564 They sent in another company. They had heard... 904 00:54:05,659 --> 00:54:08,116 About the refusal of Alpha company... 905 00:54:08,203 --> 00:54:10,740 The other company also refused to fight. 906 00:54:11,206 --> 00:54:14,494 And after that, no company... no troops in vietham were willing to fight. 907 00:54:14,585 --> 00:54:16,450 They said, look, we're not gonna fight anymore. 908 00:54:17,588 --> 00:54:19,749 There are more problems to winding down... 909 00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,297 The Vietnam war than just holding the enemy at bay, 910 00:54:22,551 --> 00:54:25,088 and moving south vietnamese troops into the line. 911 00:54:25,596 --> 00:54:28,884 One unforeseen problem is trying to keep up the morale of g.L.S... 912 00:54:28,974 --> 00:54:31,556 Who know they're going home, but not soon enough. 913 00:54:31,685 --> 00:54:33,892 It has produced flagrant insubordination, 914 00:54:34,188 --> 00:54:36,144 shooting of officers by their own men, 915 00:54:36,356 --> 00:54:38,267 and a deadly practice called "fragging." 916 00:54:38,567 --> 00:54:41,855 Their purpose, in my mind, was either to get me... 917 00:54:41,945 --> 00:54:45,733 Or, uh, intimidate myself and... 918 00:54:45,824 --> 00:54:49,316 And all others in authority in the company and the battalion. 919 00:54:49,411 --> 00:54:52,073 Sergeant gene tingeley is saying that some of his own men... 920 00:54:52,414 --> 00:54:55,656 Tried to maim or kill him... but it's not an isolated incident. 921 00:54:55,751 --> 00:54:59,494 Since then, one officer has been killed, another wounded at this base, 922 00:54:59,630 --> 00:55:02,713 and there have been dozens of similar incidents all across south Vietnam. 923 00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,758 I've, uh, seen more than one big group meeting... 924 00:55:05,844 --> 00:55:07,709 Where... 925 00:55:08,013 --> 00:55:11,847 Actually, all they talk about is fraggin', as we call 'em, pigs. 926 00:55:11,934 --> 00:55:16,018 By "pigs," you're talking about your senior enlisted men and your officers? 927 00:55:16,271 --> 00:55:18,933 Uh, that's correct. That's uh, one of our most common terms. 928 00:55:19,316 --> 00:55:22,558 Because the fragmentation grenade is often the weapon used, 929 00:55:22,653 --> 00:55:25,861 the violent attacks on authority have come to be known as "fragging." 930 00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:28,356 And many g.L.S talk openly about fragging, 931 00:55:28,450 --> 00:55:30,907 and the military countermeasures. 932 00:55:30,994 --> 00:55:34,828 J [ Electric guitar: Soul I 933 00:55:39,253 --> 00:55:44,748 a fragmentation grenade was thrown io the quarters of some officers... 934 00:55:44,842 --> 00:55:47,003 Two killed. Two killed? Was that it? Okay. 935 00:55:47,094 --> 00:55:51,633 Billy, I think, was almost immediately placed under arrest. 936 00:55:54,768 --> 00:55:59,387 I was chosen for the trial because I was an outspoken critic of the war. 937 00:55:59,481 --> 00:56:03,895 He would speak his piece. If I don't like somethin', I'm gonna tell ya about it. 938 00:56:03,986 --> 00:56:06,523 This war wasn't meant for me. It wasn't meant for us. 939 00:56:06,989 --> 00:56:09,696 I mean, uh, black mens, 'cause we're not your slave. 940 00:56:10,033 --> 00:56:13,867 And he would let 'em know. You know, I don't care to do everything you say. 941 00:56:13,954 --> 00:56:16,912 And they had some vendetta against him for speakin' his mind. 942 00:56:16,999 --> 00:56:20,241 The irony of why he got selected for prosecution... 943 00:56:20,544 --> 00:56:22,284 Could almost be a comedy of errors. 944 00:56:22,504 --> 00:56:26,918 His commanding officer decided that he must have been the target, 945 00:56:27,009 --> 00:56:30,922 because he was planning to send Billy home. 946 00:56:31,346 --> 00:56:34,338 Now, to us, I mean, that was absolutely absurd. 947 00:56:34,433 --> 00:56:36,389 If Billy thought he was being sent home, 948 00:56:36,602 --> 00:56:38,433 he would have swam home! 949 00:56:38,562 --> 00:56:42,054 None of the original evidence pointed to Billy at all. 950 00:56:42,149 --> 00:56:44,731 Eyewitness descriptions did not match Billy, 951 00:56:45,152 --> 00:56:49,145 and as it turned out later, he was off someplace gettin' high. 952 00:56:49,573 --> 00:56:52,815 The case was really a milestone in many ways, 953 00:56:52,910 --> 00:56:58,450 because it's the case that surfaced the issue of fragging. 954 00:57:01,585 --> 00:57:04,577 The message did get out, you know, among the soldiers. 955 00:57:04,671 --> 00:57:08,004 What was going on, and how we needed their support. 956 00:57:08,216 --> 00:57:10,673 In our wildest dreams, we never would have realized... 957 00:57:10,761 --> 00:57:14,219 People cared that much about the movement, and what was going on. 958 00:57:14,306 --> 00:57:17,548 A lot of Vietnam veterans came to the trial, 959 00:57:17,643 --> 00:57:19,804 and were there to show support. 960 00:57:19,895 --> 00:57:25,310 It crystallized a lot of issues, and you know, racism not least. 961 00:57:25,609 --> 00:57:28,100 May I say that the system of military justice... 962 00:57:28,195 --> 00:57:30,982 Is still riddled with injustice. 963 00:57:31,156 --> 00:57:34,114 "Prosecution witness confesses army made him lie." 964 00:57:34,201 --> 00:57:37,364 I mean, that would happen all through the trial. 965 00:57:37,537 --> 00:57:40,244 The whole thing was just bizarre from start to finish, 966 00:57:40,332 --> 00:57:44,371 and of course, before it was over, the army would try to manufacture evidence... 967 00:57:44,461 --> 00:57:47,749 With these grenade pins that they said that they could match, 968 00:57:48,048 --> 00:57:50,088 and it turned out that... Which they didn't. 969 00:57:50,258 --> 00:57:53,170 It was impossible. There was no such science at all. 970 00:57:53,303 --> 00:57:56,591 No matter how hard they tried, the case just wouldn't hold together. 971 00:57:56,682 --> 00:58:01,767 It is clear that the army had no evidence of my guilt. 972 00:58:01,979 --> 00:58:05,437 [ Monaco I front page! "Private Smith acquitted of fragging charges.โ€ 973 00:58:05,524 --> 00:58:07,765 "Smiling Billy Dean Smith was acquitted today.โ€ 974 00:58:08,026 --> 00:58:12,360 When the verdict was read, I mean, it was like pandemonium. 975 00:58:12,447 --> 00:58:16,235 Everybody just... the cameras and everything... we piled out the door. 976 00:58:16,326 --> 00:58:19,238 Uh, it was one of the best days of my life. 977 00:58:19,371 --> 00:58:24,866 I was simply singled out as a scapegoat for incidents of fragging which had occurred... 978 00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:28,623 In the last four years in Vietnam, and which reflects... 979 00:58:28,797 --> 00:58:31,539 A low state of morale among enlisted men. 980 00:58:34,886 --> 00:58:37,046 Billy was... My impression of him, anyway... 981 00:58:37,097 --> 00:58:39,179 Was he was a gentle person. 982 00:58:39,307 --> 00:58:42,140 He was drafted, and in a matter of months, 983 00:58:42,352 --> 00:58:44,764 - was in the killing fields. - Mm-hmm. 984 00:58:44,855 --> 00:58:47,221 That in itself was a trauma. 985 00:58:47,566 --> 00:58:50,808 Then once he was arrested for this crime that he didn't commit, 986 00:58:50,902 --> 00:58:54,986 they put him in isolation... - Twenty-two months, and he was only out one hour a day... 987 00:58:55,323 --> 00:58:57,359 Out of 24. Solitary confinement. 988 00:58:57,534 --> 00:59:00,321 You sittin' up there that long, you gonna automatically go crazy... 989 00:59:00,579 --> 00:59:04,322 Lookin' at yourself, and your hands and your fingers and toes, and that's it. 990 00:59:04,541 --> 00:59:08,659 And he got back to the United States, but his health has been destroyed. 991 00:59:08,754 --> 00:59:12,542 His mind has been destroyed. Periodically, he gets medicated. 992 00:59:12,632 --> 00:59:15,339 Periodically, he's been hospitalized. 993 00:59:15,427 --> 00:59:20,842 But without pretty constant supervision, he stops taking the medication, 994 00:59:20,932 --> 00:59:24,925 and then, um, reverts to the terrors. 995 00:59:25,312 --> 00:59:27,769 J 996 00:59:37,741 --> 00:59:40,574 [ Narrator I while Billy Dean Smith was in solitary confinement, 997 00:59:40,786 --> 00:59:43,869 the house internal security committee at the United States congress... 998 00:59:44,372 --> 00:59:47,114 Held a series of hearings on the g.I. Movement. 999 00:59:47,417 --> 00:59:49,874 The congressmen declared there was no movement, 1000 00:59:49,961 --> 00:59:54,204 only a handful of what they called "militant extremists of the far left.โ€ 1001 00:59:54,341 --> 00:59:56,252 But the hearings, spanning nine months, 1002 00:59:56,551 --> 00:59:59,133 produced thousands of pages of testimony... 1003 00:59:59,596 --> 01:00:03,714 Illustrating how broadly and deeply the g.I. Movement had spread. 1004 01:00:03,809 --> 01:00:07,597 Many of us are very convinced Nixon had to go to an air war... 1005 01:00:07,687 --> 01:00:09,678 Because he couldn't trust us on the ground. 1006 01:00:09,815 --> 01:00:12,978 And for good reason. We were shooting his officers and refusing direct orders... 1007 01:00:13,401 --> 01:00:15,858 To go into combat, where we could. 1008 01:00:15,946 --> 01:00:18,688 He had to go to an air war, where there is no relationship. 1009 01:00:18,949 --> 01:00:22,362 It's totally impersonal. You know, the pilots fly from Guam. 1010 01:00:22,536 --> 01:00:24,993 You know, a thousand miles away. They drop, you know, 1011 01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:28,993 several tons... how many tons of bombs... they fly back again, they don't see the damage. 1012 01:00:29,459 --> 01:00:33,168 There's no relationship to what they do, their job to people's lives. 1013 01:00:33,338 --> 01:00:36,751 I still wanted to fly. I was getting the impression that the war was wrong. 1014 01:00:37,217 --> 01:00:39,674 I was gonna be part of it. 1015 01:00:39,761 --> 01:00:44,380 I wasn't gonna be carrying a gun. I wasn't going to be shooting these people. 1016 01:00:44,683 --> 01:00:47,220 It was rationalization on my part. 1017 01:00:47,477 --> 01:00:51,595 But I still wanted to fly. I still wanted to have that... that experience. 1018 01:00:51,857 --> 01:00:54,439 During basic training, I got the opportunity of... 1019 01:00:54,609 --> 01:00:57,271 Half a day off of training if I took the language test. 1020 01:00:57,654 --> 01:01:00,236 So I took the language test, and little did I know that was... 1021 01:01:00,448 --> 01:01:04,066 That was the end of that story. I was taught vietnamese, 1022 01:01:04,161 --> 01:01:07,449 taught radio intercept, and went immediately to southeast Asia. 1023 01:01:13,253 --> 01:01:15,710 Bomb damage assessments. 1024 01:01:15,797 --> 01:01:21,508 We would be given notification of where air strikes were going to take place. 1025 01:01:21,595 --> 01:01:23,460 Part of our job was to monitor... 1026 01:01:23,555 --> 01:01:27,594 The actual north vietnamese assessment... 1027 01:01:27,684 --> 01:01:29,549 Of the damage of that air strike. 1028 01:01:29,644 --> 01:01:33,057 Primarily what we had there was really sophisticated... 1029 01:01:33,148 --> 01:01:36,436 Electronic eavesdropping devices... 1030 01:01:36,526 --> 01:01:39,142 So we could eavesdrop on communications... 1031 01:01:39,237 --> 01:01:42,525 That were taking place between vietnamese units... 1032 01:01:42,616 --> 01:01:45,232 And their commands. 1033 01:01:45,327 --> 01:01:48,410 We would receive information... 1034 01:01:48,663 --> 01:01:50,824 Which was then analyzed, 1035 01:01:50,916 --> 01:01:53,874 and that became intelligence, 1036 01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:57,248 and then that was picked through and become product... 1037 01:01:57,505 --> 01:02:00,622 For the joint chiefs of staff, president... 1038 01:02:00,842 --> 01:02:03,154 One of the things about me, that changed my mind, 1039 01:02:03,178 --> 01:02:05,544 was that I knew what was happening... 1040 01:02:05,639 --> 01:02:10,053 In country was not what was being told to the people of the United States. 1041 01:02:24,699 --> 01:02:28,692 [ Bernard I the bombing of populated areas, 1042 01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:31,577 civilian areas, the bombing of hospitals... 1043 01:02:31,665 --> 01:02:36,329 Things that the U.S. denied over and over and over again, 1044 01:02:36,586 --> 01:02:39,953 that we were engaged in... Those are things that... 1045 01:02:40,465 --> 01:02:44,253 We were engaged in, and we had access to that information, 1046 01:02:44,344 --> 01:02:48,758 and the lies were so stark... you know, it challenged your own dignity. 1047 01:02:49,057 --> 01:02:52,094 It challenged your own loyalty, it challenged your own humanity. 1048 01:02:56,481 --> 01:02:59,223 Given the very job that we did, which was... 1049 01:02:59,526 --> 01:03:01,687 "Listen to the vietnamese," 1050 01:03:02,112 --> 01:03:05,400 is that we were allowed to enter their minds. 1051 01:03:05,490 --> 01:03:09,824 And we were allowed to enter their hearts, their feelings... 1052 01:03:09,911 --> 01:03:12,277 People began to develop relationships. 1053 01:03:12,622 --> 01:03:16,615 Mental relationships with the people that they were listening to every day. 1054 01:03:16,793 --> 01:03:20,251 That was a real conscientious contention there also. 1055 01:03:20,380 --> 01:03:23,622 A dichotomy, in that if we did our job right, 1056 01:03:23,717 --> 01:03:25,833 we would save the lives of Americans. 1057 01:03:25,927 --> 01:03:29,761 If we did our job right, we would cost the lives... 1058 01:03:29,848 --> 01:03:31,463 Of tens of thousands of viethamese. 1059 01:03:33,685 --> 01:03:37,644 [ Bernard I and so it put us into that position where we had to... 1060 01:03:38,064 --> 01:03:39,975 Uh, there was no way we could win. 1061 01:03:40,275 --> 01:03:42,732 I had to do something. And that's the point of what that is: 1062 01:03:42,819 --> 01:03:44,855 We did something. We had to do something. 1063 01:03:44,988 --> 01:03:49,527 We went to v.V.A.W., we went to, uh, 1064 01:03:49,701 --> 01:03:52,192 as many groups as we could find, and tell them... 1065 01:03:52,454 --> 01:03:55,014 What we were gonna do... we were basically gonna back to n.K.P... 1066 01:03:55,498 --> 01:03:58,740 And do what we could to stop the war. 1067 01:03:58,835 --> 01:04:00,955 And I think that we made the decision on that leave... 1068 01:04:01,046 --> 01:04:02,877 That we were gonna do the paper. 1069 01:04:03,340 --> 01:04:05,296 You know, we were gonna do as much as we could, 1070 01:04:05,550 --> 01:04:08,383 during this last year of our service, to stop what was goin' on. 1071 01:04:08,595 --> 01:04:12,838 Yeah, we did everything that we could, legally, to get their goat... 1072 01:04:13,308 --> 01:04:15,845 And that's how it kinda... The worms got started. 1073 01:04:16,353 --> 01:04:18,622 And we began to have parties, and then they started talking about, 1074 01:04:18,646 --> 01:04:20,432 "what is the lowest thing on the earth?" 1075 01:04:20,523 --> 01:04:23,936 And somebody said, "worms." And there was the acronym, worms, 1076 01:04:24,069 --> 01:04:26,856 which stands for, "we openly resist military stupidity.โ€ 1077 01:04:27,113 --> 01:04:29,273 [ Bernard I "we don't write worms eye view fo convince. 1078 01:04:29,324 --> 01:04:32,862 "We write worms eye view to communicate. We don't need money. We need each other. 1079 01:04:33,203 --> 01:04:37,071 We openly resist military stupidity. And we openly love each other.โ€ 1080 01:04:38,750 --> 01:04:42,789 We had a big party one night, and I remember we had taken... 1081 01:04:43,171 --> 01:04:46,004 An effigy of our commanding officer. 1082 01:04:46,216 --> 01:04:48,673 After we burned our commanding officer in effigy, 1083 01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,797 I looked around, and there was a large group of people... 1084 01:04:52,305 --> 01:04:54,671 On the perimeter, that had circled us. 1085 01:04:54,808 --> 01:04:57,015 And it was the security police. 1086 01:04:57,102 --> 01:05:00,185 And, uh, they were startin' to close in on us. They had dogs. 1087 01:05:00,563 --> 01:05:02,333 And they had dogs, right. They had dogs. 1088 01:05:02,357 --> 01:05:06,100 And once they got close enough to figure out what we were doin'... 1089 01:05:06,194 --> 01:05:07,855 They joined us. They joined us. 1090 01:05:10,073 --> 01:05:13,531 [ Narrator I with the air assault coming mainly from aircraft carriers, 1091 01:05:13,660 --> 01:05:16,402 sailors and airmen became the center of the g.I. Movement. 1092 01:05:16,496 --> 01:05:22,162 On the u.S.S. Coral sea, 1,200 signed a petition demanding their ship stay home. 1093 01:05:22,252 --> 01:05:26,916 And San Diego, California, home of the carriers constellation and kitty hawk, 1094 01:05:27,006 --> 01:05:31,625 spawned a movement led by a group of Navy officers and enlisted men. 1095 01:05:31,719 --> 01:05:34,677 We truly believed what would stop that war... 1096 01:05:34,764 --> 01:05:37,301 Was when the soldiers stopped fighting it. 1097 01:05:37,475 --> 01:05:40,308 I was still an active officer, as were all these other guys, 1098 01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:42,135 and sailors and enlisted people. 1099 01:05:42,188 --> 01:05:44,600 As we sat around and brainstormed... 1100 01:05:44,691 --> 01:05:48,479 About what kind of a nonviolent action can we take... 1101 01:05:48,570 --> 01:05:51,733 That can actually touch sailors? 1102 01:05:52,115 --> 01:05:55,403 So we looked around and we saw the aircraft carrier, 1103 01:05:55,493 --> 01:05:57,779 which is the biggest ship in San Diego harbor, 1104 01:05:58,204 --> 01:06:00,820 it's the most impressive symbol of American power. 1105 01:06:03,835 --> 01:06:06,076 Is not a naval ship anymore, 1106 01:06:06,588 --> 01:06:09,876 it's really part of the air power that we use to attack peasants. 1107 01:06:09,966 --> 01:06:13,003 It's the weapon of a bully. It's a weapon of aggression. 1108 01:06:17,724 --> 01:06:21,182 The original concept came, well, let's do something... 1109 01:06:21,269 --> 01:06:24,306 Where we allow the people on board that ship... 1110 01:06:24,564 --> 01:06:29,775 To cast a ballot as to whether or not they think they should go back to Vietnam. 1111 01:06:29,861 --> 01:06:32,819 Let's just hear their voice. Then we said, no. 1112 01:06:32,906 --> 01:06:36,148 This election should be held in every shopping center in San Diego county. 1113 01:06:36,451 --> 01:06:39,251 And every safeway store ought to have a little polling booth outside... 1114 01:06:39,496 --> 01:06:41,474 And we ought to see how many ballots we can collect... 1115 01:06:41,498 --> 01:06:44,205 And we're gonna point toward a day. 1116 01:06:47,295 --> 01:06:49,377 Stay. Okay. 1117 01:06:49,464 --> 01:06:50,954 I think we should go. 1118 01:06:51,132 --> 01:06:52,838 Stay. Stay. 1119 01:06:53,343 --> 01:06:54,674 Stay. Stay. 1120 01:06:55,011 --> 01:06:56,376 Stay. 1121 01:06:58,097 --> 01:07:00,509 Heck, I was a carrier-qualified aviator, 1122 01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:05,264 and that gave me a lot of credibility with people, earned or not earned. 1123 01:07:05,563 --> 01:07:08,680 And even though I hadn't been in combat, uh, 1124 01:07:08,900 --> 01:07:11,642 people would give you a certain amount of credence, of course, 1125 01:07:11,736 --> 01:07:14,352 because I knew a whole lot about how the military functioned. 1126 01:07:14,447 --> 01:07:18,065 See, I used to be a lieutenant in the Navy. U.S.N. 1127 01:07:18,576 --> 01:07:20,513 And I've flown. I'm not kiddin' ya. You're kiddin" me. 1128 01:07:20,537 --> 01:07:23,529 I can prove it to ya. I'm a retired master sergeant from the air force. 1129 01:07:23,623 --> 01:07:27,411 - Yeah. - My, uh, my only question is, 1130 01:07:27,502 --> 01:07:29,458 why do you people have to look so weird? 1131 01:07:29,671 --> 01:07:33,755 Like this one here. Uh, can't you just look normal, like everybody else? 1132 01:07:34,092 --> 01:07:36,378 Don't I look normal? 1133 01:07:36,594 --> 01:07:40,428 There was nobody, from the captain of that ship, to the mayor of the city, 1134 01:07:40,515 --> 01:07:43,473 who did not hold a press conference about this project. 1135 01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:46,472 Everybody was commenting on it. U.S. senators were commenting on it. 1136 01:07:46,563 --> 01:07:50,897 You know, even if the city votes for that ship to stay, 1137 01:07:50,984 --> 01:07:54,772 we're still going... well, I guess so. 1138 01:07:54,862 --> 01:07:56,773 The captain of the ship says, "well, I know... 1139 01:07:57,031 --> 01:07:58,862 "There's a lot of people who don't want to go, 1140 01:07:59,242 --> 01:08:02,780 but the military's full of malcontents.โ€ he said that. 1141 01:08:08,459 --> 01:08:11,747 We believe... 1142 01:08:11,838 --> 01:08:13,624 That peace is at hand. 1143 01:08:14,007 --> 01:08:16,749 You know, the peace that was at hand quickly disappeared... 1144 01:08:17,051 --> 01:08:20,885 After the reelection, and of course, given the vantage point... 1145 01:08:20,972 --> 01:08:24,715 Of everybody working in a... in an n.S.A. Unit, 1146 01:08:24,809 --> 01:08:27,551 you know, we knew what was coming up. 1147 01:08:29,480 --> 01:08:32,313 A decision by the president of the United States... 1148 01:08:32,525 --> 01:08:34,356 And by Henry kissinger... 1149 01:08:34,444 --> 01:08:38,107 To bomb north Vietnam back into the stone age... 1150 01:08:38,323 --> 01:08:41,156 As their last message to the vietnamese... 1151 01:08:41,367 --> 01:08:44,655 Before we withdrew entirely. 1152 01:08:44,746 --> 01:08:46,932 I think everybody that was involved in our operations... 1153 01:08:46,956 --> 01:08:52,417 Was faced with the stark reality of participating in something which... 1154 01:08:52,503 --> 01:08:58,043 Bordered on what we consider to be criminal, genocidal, unprecedented. 1155 01:08:58,259 --> 01:09:02,673 So we felt very much in solidarity with other g.L.S... 1156 01:09:03,056 --> 01:09:05,513 Who were refusing to participate... 1157 01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:09,934 Particularly people refusing to fly b-52s over the north. 1158 01:09:11,606 --> 01:09:15,190 People stopped producing the intelligence product... 1159 01:09:15,276 --> 01:09:20,441 That we were supposed to be producing by monitoring north vietnamese communications. 1160 01:09:22,950 --> 01:09:24,678 When you're not interpreting what you're hearing, 1161 01:09:24,702 --> 01:09:29,992 and you're not passing along the intelligence that you're receiving, 1162 01:09:30,416 --> 01:09:34,705 the people who are supposed to be getting the information don't get any information. 1163 01:09:35,129 --> 01:09:39,919 The air force was no longer a reliable instrument, okay, 1164 01:09:40,385 --> 01:09:42,046 for carrying out the war. 1165 01:09:45,098 --> 01:09:48,431 [ Narrator I the Vietnam war ended on April 30, 1975, 1166 01:09:48,685 --> 01:09:53,896 as north vietnamese and national liberation front troops entered Saigon. 1167 01:09:54,190 --> 01:09:58,103 And even as the last remaining Americans were returning home, 1168 01:09:58,611 --> 01:10:03,605 the memory and reality of the g.I. Antiwar movement was being rewritten. 1169 01:10:05,576 --> 01:10:08,784 Yeah, they love everybody back there. 1170 01:10:08,871 --> 01:10:11,829 Cats. Dogs. 1171 01:10:11,916 --> 01:10:15,750 Niggers, spics, and they're real fond of Luke the gook back home. 1172 01:10:15,837 --> 01:10:17,623 Y'all can believe that. 1173 01:10:18,005 --> 01:10:21,839 They love everybody but you. 1174 01:10:21,926 --> 01:10:25,839 The typical story of a spat-upon vet... 1175 01:10:26,305 --> 01:10:30,264 Is arriving at the San Francisco airport, 1176 01:10:30,476 --> 01:10:33,434 and... where he's met by demonstrators. 1177 01:10:33,521 --> 01:10:38,356 And he says, "the first thing that happened when I got off the plane in San Francisco, 1178 01:10:38,443 --> 01:10:41,355 "a girl in love beads and a headband... 1179 01:10:41,487 --> 01:10:44,274 Spat in my face and called me a baby-killer.โ€ 1180 01:10:44,532 --> 01:10:48,821 That version of the story has been told over and over and over again. 1181 01:10:49,245 --> 01:10:51,702 Being a Vietnam vet, and having come home... 1182 01:10:51,789 --> 01:10:53,871 And worked with the antiwar movement... 1183 01:10:53,958 --> 01:10:57,075 These just didn't resonate as true, to me. 1184 01:10:57,545 --> 01:11:01,254 So I began to be... get interested in then, where did these stories come from? 1185 01:11:01,424 --> 01:11:03,961 And how long had they been around? 1186 01:11:04,051 --> 01:11:06,963 Who had began telling them? I went back to the point in time... 1187 01:11:07,054 --> 01:11:09,796 The late '60s, early 1970s... 1188 01:11:10,099 --> 01:11:12,556 To see whether there's any reports in newspaper stories... 1189 01:11:12,643 --> 01:11:16,477 That activists were spitting on Vietnam vets... 1190 01:11:16,981 --> 01:11:21,645 No, I didn't find anything. I looked at some national lawyers guild... 1191 01:11:21,736 --> 01:11:25,979 Observation projects of demonstrations, whether there's anything at their archives... 1192 01:11:26,115 --> 01:11:28,322 About this... no, nothing there. 1193 01:11:28,409 --> 01:11:30,991 Were any Vietnam vets claiming that they were being spat on? 1194 01:11:31,370 --> 01:11:35,784 You know, were any pro-war people then claiming that Vietnam vets were being spat on? 1195 01:11:36,083 --> 01:11:40,076 No. So I thought, well, now, this is getting really interesting. 1196 01:11:40,505 --> 01:11:43,622 I was telling a friend of mine, who's a psychologist, 1197 01:11:43,841 --> 01:11:45,456 she also teaches in women's studies. 1198 01:11:45,551 --> 01:11:49,760 I was telling her that I was working on a book about Vietnam vets having been spat on. 1199 01:11:49,931 --> 01:11:53,423 And she said, "well, that's really interesting.โ€ she said, "who had done the spitting?" 1200 01:11:53,518 --> 01:11:55,638 I said, "what do you mean?โ€ she said, "well, you know, 1201 01:11:56,020 --> 01:11:57,601 the demographics of the spitters.โ€ 1202 01:11:57,688 --> 01:12:03,024 And I said, "well, you know, young women, protestors, 1203 01:12:03,528 --> 01:12:05,064 you know, hippies.โ€ 1204 01:12:05,196 --> 01:12:07,733 And she broke out in this big smile and she says, 1205 01:12:08,241 --> 01:12:09,856 "gotta be a myth, huh?" 1206 01:12:09,951 --> 01:12:13,409 And-and I knew what was coming next. I knew what she was gonna say... 1207 01:12:13,496 --> 01:12:16,784 Next, which was that, "girls don't spit." 1208 01:12:16,874 --> 01:12:18,785 Now, whether girls spit or not, um, 1209 01:12:19,043 --> 01:12:21,500 I've had some other conversations about that. 1210 01:12:21,587 --> 01:12:25,921 But it seems pretty unlikely that these spitting incidents occurred. 1211 01:12:26,008 --> 01:12:28,420 A lot of these stories, again, begin with, 1212 01:12:28,511 --> 01:12:31,469 "well, we arrived at the San Francisco airport.โ€ 1213 01:12:31,556 --> 01:12:34,639 No, you didn't arrive at the San Francisco airport. 1214 01:12:35,101 --> 01:12:38,935 Nobody did. You maybe arrived at Travis air base, near San Francisco, 1215 01:12:39,021 --> 01:12:43,481 and then you were discharged, or you were processed out, 1216 01:12:43,651 --> 01:12:46,859 and then you went to the San Francisco airport, you know? 1217 01:12:47,238 --> 01:12:50,526 That's possible. But... but that's not the way the stories are told. 1218 01:12:50,616 --> 01:12:54,279 They're, you know, "we were met on the tarmac at"... 1219 01:12:54,453 --> 01:12:57,786 "At San Francisco airport." Too many guys got off at the San Francisco airport. 1220 01:12:58,040 --> 01:12:59,951 Somebody's making something up here. 1221 01:13:00,251 --> 01:13:03,368 And certainly, if it was at, um... 1222 01:13:03,462 --> 01:13:06,420 If it was at military, you know, air force bases... 1223 01:13:06,507 --> 01:13:09,544 There couldn't have been... couldn't have been protestors on the base, 1224 01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:14,299 much less on the tarmac, or-or at... you know, at gateside... 1225 01:13:14,473 --> 01:13:16,304 To meet people. 1226 01:13:16,392 --> 01:13:18,974 There are stories... Many stories of... 1227 01:13:19,437 --> 01:13:22,520 Wounded Vietnam vets being unloaded, 1228 01:13:22,732 --> 01:13:26,099 people on stretchers being carried from the plane... 1229 01:13:26,319 --> 01:13:29,402 And-and they are spat on by protestors who are, 1230 01:13:29,655 --> 01:13:31,395 you know, who are lining the walkway. 1231 01:13:31,574 --> 01:13:35,533 Some of those stories just really defy common sense. 1232 01:13:35,745 --> 01:13:38,532 But-but these stories are picked up. 1233 01:13:38,789 --> 01:13:41,030 They're picked up and they're used, they're used... 1234 01:13:41,542 --> 01:13:43,123 They're used very authoritatively. 1235 01:13:43,210 --> 01:13:45,622 Then I come back to the world... 1236 01:13:45,713 --> 01:13:48,170 And I see all those maggots at the airport... 1237 01:13:48,466 --> 01:13:52,675 Protestin' me, spittin'... callin' me a baby-killer and all kinds of vile crap... 1238 01:13:53,179 --> 01:13:54,794 Who are they to protest me, huh? 1239 01:13:54,889 --> 01:13:57,926 If you went back and looked at the front pages of newspapers... 1240 01:13:58,434 --> 01:14:01,016 In 1969, 1970, 1241 01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:04,875 you know, what were you gonna see on the front pages of newspapers about vietham vets? 1242 01:14:04,899 --> 01:14:08,517 They're in the streets. They're political activists. 1243 01:14:08,736 --> 01:14:13,196 They're on the capitol mall. They're givin' the Nixon administration fits. 1244 01:14:13,449 --> 01:14:16,862 This was stuff that was in living rooms all over America. 1245 01:14:17,036 --> 01:14:20,870 So people knew this, and this is an important piece for talking about, 1246 01:14:20,957 --> 01:14:23,915 how memory about the war... 1247 01:14:24,001 --> 01:14:27,164 Has been rewritten. 1248 01:14:27,546 --> 01:14:29,457 Has been reconstructed. This is gone. 1249 01:14:29,548 --> 01:14:31,914 This has been erased. 1250 01:14:32,259 --> 01:14:33,920 This has been displaced. 1251 01:14:35,638 --> 01:14:38,801 You mention the war in Vietnam to a lot of people, 1252 01:14:39,183 --> 01:14:43,847 and they'll say, "yeah, and what happened to those guys when they came home was sure a shame." 1253 01:14:43,938 --> 01:14:46,850 You ask them about, um, 1254 01:14:46,941 --> 01:14:51,560 any of the major events of the war, and it's like, people have no clue. 1255 01:14:51,654 --> 01:14:54,361 J 1256 01:14:56,867 --> 01:15:00,610 J 1 don't want nobody over me j 1257 01:15:00,746 --> 01:15:04,705 j and I don't want nobody under me j 1258 01:15:04,792 --> 01:15:08,284 j insubordination j 1259 01:15:09,672 --> 01:15:11,583 in the spring of 1971, 1260 01:15:11,674 --> 01:15:13,790 the f.T.A. Show toured Asia. 1261 01:15:13,884 --> 01:15:17,627 Despite being banned from military bases worldwide, 1262 01:15:17,722 --> 01:15:20,714 the show performed in Japan, okinawa, and the Philippines... 1263 01:15:20,808 --> 01:15:23,971 For over 60,000 soldiers. 1264 01:15:24,353 --> 01:15:27,595 And at every stop, g.L.S took the stage with them. 1265 01:15:27,690 --> 01:15:29,726 [ Soldier I we can no longer remain silent... 1266 01:15:29,859 --> 01:15:34,523 About the atrocities and injustice being perpetrated by the United States military... 1267 01:15:34,613 --> 01:15:38,401 On peoples of other nations, nor the petty harassment that servicemen and women... 1268 01:15:38,492 --> 01:15:40,608 Are made to endure, day after day. 1269 01:15:40,703 --> 01:15:43,183 We demand an end to all discriminating policies... 1270 01:15:43,414 --> 01:15:45,154 Against persons because of their race. 1271 01:15:45,624 --> 01:15:48,081 We demand an end to all discrimination... 1272 01:15:48,169 --> 01:15:51,206 Against persons such as antiwar g.L.S, 1273 01:15:51,464 --> 01:15:53,455 because they do not agree with U.S. policies. 1274 01:15:53,674 --> 01:15:55,835 Right on! 1275 01:15:55,926 --> 01:15:58,406 And we demand an immediate... Immediate and total withdrawal... 1276 01:15:58,637 --> 01:16:02,004 Of all air and ground troops and c.L.A. From Vietnam, 1277 01:16:02,099 --> 01:16:05,466 as well as from Korea, Guam, okinawa, Japan, 1278 01:16:05,644 --> 01:16:08,135 the Philippines, Israel, Cambodia, Thailand, 1279 01:16:08,647 --> 01:16:11,059 Germany, england, Panama... 1280 01:16:11,150 --> 01:16:13,732 Guantanamo bay, Laos... 1281 01:16:14,195 --> 01:16:18,234 I mean, it seems unthinkable now, that we could have done this. 1282 01:16:18,616 --> 01:16:23,736 And that you could have a hall full of guys with their fists in the air. 1283 01:16:24,163 --> 01:16:28,497 So happy that we had come... 1284 01:16:28,584 --> 01:16:32,202 To acknowledge their reality. 1285 01:16:32,463 --> 01:16:36,581 J I read that you took a stand j 1286 01:16:36,675 --> 01:16:41,590 j and refused to kill in vietham j 1287 01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:44,922 j you said no man was your enemy j 1288 01:16:46,644 --> 01:16:50,262 j if what he's fighting for is to be free j 1289 01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:52,896 [ Fonda I I used to love to watch the faces of the g.L.S... 1290 01:16:53,192 --> 01:16:58,687 When she sang that... it was like this shell of tension would drop away. 1291 01:16:58,781 --> 01:17:03,241 And you would see the youth and the innocence and the vulnerability underneath. 1292 01:17:04,912 --> 01:17:07,995 J soldier, we love you j 1293 01:17:08,499 --> 01:17:11,536 j yes, soldier, we love you j 1294 01:17:14,046 --> 01:17:16,628 j standin' strong, 'cause it's j 1295 01:17:17,091 --> 01:17:19,252 j hard to do j 1296 01:17:19,343 --> 01:17:23,427 j what you know you must do 'cause it's true j 1297 01:17:23,514 --> 01:17:26,472 j yes, it's true j 1298 01:17:26,559 --> 01:17:31,303 j they lock you up and rest their case j 1299 01:17:31,438 --> 01:17:34,726 j yeah, they locked you up 'cause they're afraid 1300 01:17:34,817 --> 01:17:39,561 j that you would rap and spread the word j 1301 01:17:40,030 --> 01:17:43,864 j but you can't jail truth it will be heard j 1302 01:17:43,951 --> 01:17:46,693 j oh, ain't it hard j 1303 01:17:46,954 --> 01:17:51,368 j to smile sometimes j 1304 01:17:51,458 --> 01:17:53,494 [ narrator I in April of 1971, 1305 01:17:53,586 --> 01:17:58,546 just five years after Howard Levy and Donald Duncan's lone acts of protest, 1306 01:17:58,632 --> 01:18:02,466 thousands of Vietnam veterans against the war converged on Washington, D.C... 1307 01:18:02,553 --> 01:18:06,922 And threw their medals onto the capitol steps. 1308 01:18:07,016 --> 01:18:11,385 We don't wanna fight anymore, but if we have to fight again, it'll be to take these steps. 1309 01:18:13,564 --> 01:18:16,146 You know, it's kind of a unique opportunity. 1310 01:18:16,609 --> 01:18:19,351 It's... it's very rare, I think, in anybody's life, 1311 01:18:19,653 --> 01:18:23,237 that you have an opportunity to really think that you are changing history. 1312 01:18:23,532 --> 01:18:25,238 That you're a part of history. 1313 01:18:25,492 --> 01:18:30,703 The reality is, at first they couldn't believe g.L.S were protestin' the war. 1314 01:18:30,789 --> 01:18:32,825 That-that blew their minds. 1315 01:18:32,958 --> 01:18:35,870 When we had 1,000 g.L.S in 1970, 1316 01:18:36,003 --> 01:18:38,369 they thought... they didn't know how to react to that. 1317 01:18:38,505 --> 01:18:41,167 'Cause they thought, ah, a bunch of them, they go down there, 1318 01:18:41,258 --> 01:18:44,421 and they're probably all just talkin', but how many of them are there? 1319 01:18:44,595 --> 01:18:46,586 They tried to turn me into a killer. 1320 01:18:46,805 --> 01:18:49,797 They tried to turn me into somebody who would take another life. 1321 01:18:49,892 --> 01:18:53,760 If there's one thing in my life I feel like that I've accomplished... 1322 01:18:54,230 --> 01:18:56,095 It's that I... I didn't allow that to happen. 1323 01:18:56,440 --> 01:19:00,103 I really learned so much, you know, just spendin' day after day after day... 1324 01:19:00,319 --> 01:19:03,561 You know, just people talkin' about, you know, 1325 01:19:03,739 --> 01:19:06,219 what's it all about, and how are we gonna deal with this stuff? 1326 01:19:06,492 --> 01:19:08,773 How are we really gonna move it forward? Change the world. 1327 01:19:08,994 --> 01:19:11,473 That's what everybody wanted to do. We wanted to change the world. 1328 01:19:11,497 --> 01:19:14,830 We were pretty sure this sucked. We were pretty sure none of us deserved to be here. 1329 01:19:15,084 --> 01:19:17,746 And... so that didn't leave much room but to change the world. 1330 01:19:18,128 --> 01:19:21,088 People say, "well, you keep going back. Why are you going back to Vietnam?" 1331 01:19:21,173 --> 01:19:24,333 We have to go back to Vietnam because I'll tell you what... the other side does. 1332 01:19:24,510 --> 01:19:29,504 They're always going back. And they have to go back. The hawks. 1333 01:19:29,765 --> 01:19:32,757 You know, the patriarchs. They have to go back because... 1334 01:19:32,851 --> 01:19:35,809 And they have to revise the going back... 1335 01:19:35,896 --> 01:19:39,559 Because they can't allow us to know... 1336 01:19:39,692 --> 01:19:41,853 What the "back thereโ€ really was. 1337 01:19:41,944 --> 01:19:44,902 And then you think about this shit, man. 1338 01:19:44,989 --> 01:19:46,900 Then you say, 1339 01:19:47,157 --> 01:19:49,614 "goddamn! 1340 01:19:49,702 --> 01:19:52,114 "Did I do that? 1341 01:19:52,413 --> 01:19:56,281 "Did I actually live in that shit? 1342 01:19:56,375 --> 01:20:00,744 Did this government push me into this shit?" 1343 01:20:01,005 --> 01:20:03,963 What's the... what's the pride in sayin' you're a veteran... 1344 01:20:04,049 --> 01:20:08,463 If you were... what you're a veteran of is somethin' wrong? 1345 01:20:09,596 --> 01:20:12,508 It's like, uh, 1346 01:20:12,641 --> 01:20:15,633 being a veteran of the massacre... 1347 01:20:15,728 --> 01:20:17,684 At someplace or another, you know? 1348 01:20:17,855 --> 01:20:23,350 That... no, uh... There's no pride to that. 1349 01:20:23,652 --> 01:20:25,563 And so, don't talk about it. 1350 01:20:25,654 --> 01:20:28,612 Go away. Don't talk about it. 1351 01:20:28,699 --> 01:20:30,815 So it's amazing to me that as many... 1352 01:20:30,909 --> 01:20:33,821 As many g.L.S that were actually in vietham... 1353 01:20:33,912 --> 01:20:36,324 Actually there... 1354 01:20:36,665 --> 01:20:40,783 Uh, then spoke out against it, and demonstrated against it. 1355 01:20:40,878 --> 01:20:44,791 After they got back. I just thought that was... amazing. 1356 01:20:45,257 --> 01:20:48,340 That there were... That, if there had been 100, 1357 01:20:48,594 --> 01:20:50,425 I would have been amazed. 1358 01:20:50,512 --> 01:20:53,845 That there were thousands is just... 1359 01:20:55,225 --> 01:20:57,682 Incredible. Incredible. 1360 01:20:57,770 --> 01:21:00,432 Brave people. J soldier, we love you j 1361 01:21:03,567 --> 01:21:08,732 j standin' strong yes, it's hard to do j; 1362 01:21:09,114 --> 01:21:13,323 j what you know you must do 'cause it's true j 1363 01:21:13,535 --> 01:21:15,446 j yes, it's true j 1364 01:21:15,537 --> 01:21:17,619 j we love you j 1365 01:21:17,706 --> 01:21:20,038 j ooh, ooh, ooh j 1366 01:21:20,459 --> 01:21:24,452 j [ Humming I 1367 01:21:24,630 --> 01:21:26,791 j 1368 01:21:26,882 --> 01:21:31,000 J get your ass off the floor get that ass off the floor j 1369 01:21:31,261 --> 01:21:34,101 j just killed my first, but it may not be the last one j 1370 01:21:34,306 --> 01:21:37,026 j I screamed this at the sergeant with his head pressed to the Magnum 1371 01:21:37,351 --> 01:21:39,808 j you sent us to this country not to free but body-bag them [ 1372 01:21:39,895 --> 01:21:43,058 j and free up all their money so accounting firms can nag them j 1373 01:21:43,399 --> 01:21:45,856 j drag them and their corporals to their own battle j 1374 01:21:45,943 --> 01:21:48,901 j since they're sendin' us to the slaughter like cattle j 1375 01:21:48,987 --> 01:21:51,649 j me and this whole unit we will start to ramshackle j 1376 01:21:51,990 --> 01:21:54,777 j listen very closely you can hear the fire crackle j 1377 01:21:55,035 --> 01:21:57,902 j you cut away their airway he was breathing out his nostrils j 1378 01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:00,537 j couldn't understand why we were seeming so hostile j 1379 01:22:00,624 --> 01:22:03,661 j said we spread democracy like he was preaching gospel j 1380 01:22:03,752 --> 01:22:06,744 j slapped him in his head and said, now, shut up sergeant rosco j 1381 01:22:06,839 --> 01:22:09,751 j this is not explicit let me tell you straight out j 1382 01:22:09,842 --> 01:22:12,675 j we're no longer gonna keep this country drained out j 1383 01:22:12,845 --> 01:22:15,507 j we want up out of here like on the next planes out j 1384 01:22:15,597 --> 01:22:18,464 j so the cap make it happen or we blow his brains out j 1385 01:22:18,642 --> 01:22:21,008 j it's a rap thing grab the back 10 j j hey 1386 01:22:21,145 --> 01:22:24,057 j plan of action to the captain j 1387 01:22:24,148 --> 01:22:27,390 j excuse me, colonel, sir may I request, please j 1388 01:22:27,484 --> 01:22:30,146 j permission to go home or blow off your knees 1389 01:22:30,237 --> 01:22:32,694 j it's a rap thing grab the back 10 j j hey 1390 01:22:32,781 --> 01:22:35,739 j yeah j j plan of action to the captain j 1391 01:22:35,826 --> 01:22:39,318 j yeah j j in case you're wonderin' well, yes, I'm gonna fight j 1392 01:22:39,413 --> 01:22:41,870 j I'm fixin' to join the army but one you don't like j 1393 01:22:44,626 --> 01:22:49,916 j get your ass off the floor get that ass off the floor j 1394 01:22:50,174 --> 01:22:56,010 j get your ass off the floor get that ass off the floor j 1395 01:22:56,263 --> 01:23:01,974 j get your ass off the floor get that ass off the floor j 1396 01:23:02,436 --> 01:23:06,554 j get your ass off the floor get that ass off the floor j 1397 01:23:13,197 --> 01:23:15,358 [ Rabbit I and that's the news for this early edition. 1398 01:23:15,449 --> 01:23:17,405 Next news will be later on. 1399 01:23:17,618 --> 01:23:20,906 The voice of news information and hard acid-rock music, 1400 01:23:20,996 --> 01:23:24,363 this is radio first termer, at 69 megacycles... 1401 01:23:24,541 --> 01:23:26,372 On your f.M. Dial. 1402 01:23:26,502 --> 01:23:31,747 Good night, Nguyen. Good night. 122258

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