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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:11,250 --> 00:00:17,250 ~subtitles ripped and corrected by~ Rapunzel@addic7ed.com 2 00:02:22,576 --> 00:02:25,710 Shake this square world and blast off for Kicksville. 3 00:02:25,712 --> 00:02:29,748 America's public enemy number one is drug abuse. 4 00:02:29,750 --> 00:02:31,583 Just say "No". 5 00:02:31,585 --> 00:02:32,951 The mafia is a major player 6 00:02:32,953 --> 00:02:35,787 in the international drug underworld. 7 00:02:35,789 --> 00:02:38,190 At the end of the day, it's all about the dollar. 8 00:02:38,192 --> 00:02:40,091 It's all about the dollar. 9 00:02:40,093 --> 00:02:42,427 American people want the mob and its associates 10 00:02:42,429 --> 00:02:46,064 brought to justice and their power broken. 11 00:02:46,066 --> 00:02:47,332 There's now an understanding 12 00:02:47,334 --> 00:02:50,502 that the war on drugs was an abject failure. 13 00:02:50,504 --> 00:02:53,805 You have to stop and ask yourself "How did we get here?". 14 00:03:21,235 --> 00:03:22,701 I would go out in the morning, 15 00:03:22,703 --> 00:03:24,002 I would sit down, 16 00:03:24,004 --> 00:03:26,104 I would order an egg sandwich and a cup of coffee, 17 00:03:26,106 --> 00:03:28,707 and my friends would come, and we planned the day. 18 00:03:28,709 --> 00:03:33,111 How we're gonna pillage and plunder New York City. 19 00:03:33,113 --> 00:03:35,280 And that was our job. 20 00:03:37,417 --> 00:03:39,985 My name is Anthony Ruggiano junior. 21 00:03:39,987 --> 00:03:41,987 I'm called Anthony or Ruge. 22 00:03:41,989 --> 00:03:45,690 I was an associate of the Gambino Crime Family. 23 00:03:50,030 --> 00:03:53,198 Listen, the mob, we are self-centered people. 24 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:54,933 It's all about us. 25 00:03:54,935 --> 00:03:56,268 You know what that means, right? 26 00:03:56,270 --> 00:03:57,836 How much money's in it for me? 27 00:03:57,838 --> 00:03:59,638 Let's kill our best friends. 28 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,541 Let's sell heroin. Let's poison the city. 29 00:04:02,543 --> 00:04:04,042 It don't matter. 30 00:04:08,382 --> 00:04:11,750 John Gotti, he was very impressive. 31 00:04:11,752 --> 00:04:14,653 My father told me once when I was about 18 years old, 32 00:04:14,655 --> 00:04:17,589 only three things are gonna happen to John Gotti. 33 00:04:17,591 --> 00:04:20,058 He's either gonna become the boss one day, 34 00:04:20,060 --> 00:04:21,860 he's going to get 100 years in prison, 35 00:04:21,862 --> 00:04:24,829 or he's gonna get shot in the head. 36 00:04:24,831 --> 00:04:28,266 That was my father's future for John Gotti. 37 00:04:38,412 --> 00:04:41,880 So, my father, his name was Fat Andy. 38 00:04:41,882 --> 00:04:45,450 He met John when John was a teenager in east New York. 39 00:04:45,452 --> 00:04:47,052 He always knew John was a tough kid, 40 00:04:47,054 --> 00:04:49,454 and, you know, it went from there. 41 00:04:52,292 --> 00:04:53,892 John was charismatic, 42 00:04:53,894 --> 00:04:56,995 like, you know, he had a flash about him, you know? 43 00:04:56,997 --> 00:05:00,799 He definitely had a flash about him. 44 00:05:00,801 --> 00:05:02,100 They had conversations, 45 00:05:02,102 --> 00:05:04,302 John Gotti and my father used to have conversations 46 00:05:04,304 --> 00:05:08,373 with each other about how many people they killed. 47 00:05:08,375 --> 00:05:11,009 I actually had an argument with my father 48 00:05:11,011 --> 00:05:14,579 because he wanted me to kill somebody, and I told him no, 49 00:05:14,581 --> 00:05:18,016 and he got mad at me because I didn't want to kill somebody. 50 00:05:18,018 --> 00:05:20,018 That's how much they believed in this life. 51 00:05:20,020 --> 00:05:23,788 John Gotti and my father believed that it was okay 52 00:05:23,790 --> 00:05:27,592 to tell your son to go kill somebody. 53 00:05:27,594 --> 00:05:30,261 And then if he says no, you get mad at him. 54 00:05:30,263 --> 00:05:33,098 Ha. Let's talk about that. 55 00:05:34,201 --> 00:05:37,102 I mean, you know, right? Yeah. 56 00:06:14,775 --> 00:06:17,075 John Gotti was one of the known heavies, 57 00:06:17,077 --> 00:06:19,978 if you will, in the Gambino Crime Family. 58 00:06:19,980 --> 00:06:23,381 Somebody the family could rely on for acts of violence, 59 00:06:23,383 --> 00:06:24,649 for killing people. 60 00:06:24,651 --> 00:06:26,518 He was a thug. 61 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,219 The Gambino family, they ran the show. 62 00:06:28,221 --> 00:06:30,188 I mean, they had all the nightclubs, 63 00:06:30,190 --> 00:06:31,856 they had all the construction companies. 64 00:06:31,858 --> 00:06:33,825 If you needed cement, you had to go to them. 65 00:06:33,827 --> 00:06:35,360 They had all the bookmaking. 66 00:06:35,362 --> 00:06:37,495 They had the police on the payroll. 67 00:06:37,497 --> 00:06:40,865 When we went to prisons, they had the COs on the take. 68 00:06:47,274 --> 00:06:49,307 The Gambino family, and all the families, 69 00:06:49,309 --> 00:06:50,925 had their hands in everything. 70 00:07:06,226 --> 00:07:08,159 Cut it out and let us through. 71 00:07:08,161 --> 00:07:09,861 Come on. Make a hole and... 72 00:07:09,863 --> 00:07:12,030 Paul Castellano, who's the boss, 73 00:07:12,032 --> 00:07:14,899 has put out an edict: Nobody deals drugs. 74 00:07:14,901 --> 00:07:16,334 It's verboten. 75 00:07:16,336 --> 00:07:19,637 And if you deal drugs, no appeal, we're gonna kill you. 76 00:07:19,639 --> 00:07:23,141 And it wasn't that Castellano thought drugs was a bad thing, 77 00:07:23,143 --> 00:07:25,477 there wasn't a moral situation. 78 00:07:25,479 --> 00:07:27,879 They didn't need the money, they didn't want the aggravation 79 00:07:27,881 --> 00:07:29,414 that came with dealing drugs. 80 00:07:29,416 --> 00:07:31,149 They didn't want the law enforcement pressure 81 00:07:31,151 --> 00:07:33,952 that came with dealing drugs. 82 00:07:33,954 --> 00:07:35,720 We know the rules, we know the regulations. 83 00:07:35,722 --> 00:07:37,021 We don't discuss them. 84 00:07:37,023 --> 00:07:39,257 But when Gotti senior steps into the mafia, 85 00:07:39,259 --> 00:07:41,192 he does Gotti's rules. 86 00:07:41,194 --> 00:07:44,796 He breaks every mafia protocol and every rule. 87 00:07:44,798 --> 00:07:48,867 And one of those rules was selling drugs. 88 00:07:48,869 --> 00:07:50,135 I'm Johnny Alite. 89 00:07:50,137 --> 00:07:54,939 Enforcer, drug dealer, and, uh, killer for John Gotti. 90 00:08:00,781 --> 00:08:04,182 So when I'm approached to get involved in the heroin trade 91 00:08:04,184 --> 00:08:08,787 with the Gotti family, I'm on the bottom of that totem pole. 92 00:08:08,789 --> 00:08:10,522 And when they ask me to step into business, 93 00:08:10,524 --> 00:08:13,391 obviously, when you're asked a question like that, 94 00:08:13,393 --> 00:08:15,093 it's not an ask, 95 00:08:15,095 --> 00:08:18,196 it's telling you you're now in the heroin business. 96 00:08:23,270 --> 00:08:25,703 So I was in the heroin business. 97 00:08:31,711 --> 00:08:36,481 You got heroin coming in back then from Turkey. 98 00:08:36,483 --> 00:08:41,219 It was coming in from Spain and the Sicilian faction. 99 00:08:41,221 --> 00:08:43,521 So they had different routes they were bringing heroin 100 00:08:43,523 --> 00:08:46,858 and moving it from every direction. 101 00:08:46,860 --> 00:08:49,260 Every single guy around the Gotti family, 102 00:08:49,262 --> 00:08:53,231 anybody who was within our crew, was moving heroin. 103 00:08:53,233 --> 00:08:54,933 They were a drug dealer's drug dealer. 104 00:08:54,935 --> 00:08:58,903 They were wholesaling the drugs to big time heroin dealers. 105 00:09:05,111 --> 00:09:07,579 John Gotti doesn't want to know about the drugs. 106 00:09:07,581 --> 00:09:09,881 At the end of the week or the end of the month, 107 00:09:09,883 --> 00:09:11,716 he wants his envelopes. 108 00:09:11,718 --> 00:09:14,519 He doesn't want to hear where it comes from. 109 00:09:14,521 --> 00:09:15,553 When someone brings you 110 00:09:15,555 --> 00:09:16,955 a shopping bag full of money, 111 00:09:16,957 --> 00:09:19,224 you're not going to give the guy the third degree. 112 00:09:19,226 --> 00:09:20,558 Yeah, he broke the rules, 113 00:09:20,560 --> 00:09:24,829 but, you know, I guess rules are made to be broken. 114 00:09:26,499 --> 00:09:28,233 Back then we thought it was normal, 115 00:09:28,235 --> 00:09:29,801 because that's how I was raised. 116 00:09:29,803 --> 00:09:31,269 I was raised in that atmosphere, 117 00:09:31,271 --> 00:09:36,007 and it was really a good time in my life, to be honest with you. 118 00:09:38,144 --> 00:09:39,410 So I would go out to Manhattan 119 00:09:39,412 --> 00:09:41,112 and everybody was there blowing coke, 120 00:09:41,114 --> 00:09:44,849 and everybody was in the, it was just a big party scene. 121 00:09:46,519 --> 00:09:47,919 We always were well manicured. 122 00:09:47,921 --> 00:09:50,054 You know, getting manicures was classy. 123 00:09:50,056 --> 00:09:52,190 I got a manicure yesterday for this shoot. 124 00:09:52,192 --> 00:09:53,441 Yeah. 125 00:09:53,443 --> 00:09:56,194 I even got my eyebrows waxed for you the other day. 126 00:09:58,865 --> 00:10:00,848 Today there's a zillion different kinds of drugs, 127 00:10:00,850 --> 00:10:05,036 but back then in the day, it was coke, pot and heroin. 128 00:10:09,476 --> 00:10:13,278 I never saw John snort coke, so I would say he never did. 129 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:14,545 You know the problem, 130 00:10:14,547 --> 00:10:16,180 when you talk to people around him at the time, 131 00:10:16,182 --> 00:10:18,116 is John Gotti, among other things, 132 00:10:18,118 --> 00:10:20,051 was a degenerate gambler. 133 00:10:25,191 --> 00:10:29,427 And apparently wasn't a very good gambler. 134 00:10:29,429 --> 00:10:32,730 He wasn't an average guy losing $50 a game, 135 00:10:32,732 --> 00:10:35,934 he was a guy that's losing 100,000 a game. 136 00:10:35,936 --> 00:10:37,568 There's only one business that could bring in 137 00:10:37,570 --> 00:10:40,738 this kind of money, and that's the drug business. 138 00:10:48,982 --> 00:10:51,849 So, Paul Castellano was a different style 139 00:10:51,851 --> 00:10:53,551 than John Gotti was. 140 00:10:53,553 --> 00:10:58,256 Old guy, old school, very low key. 141 00:10:58,258 --> 00:11:01,192 Paul kept hearing these great things about this guy, 142 00:11:01,194 --> 00:11:02,427 John Gotti. 143 00:11:02,429 --> 00:11:04,162 He's guarded his family. 144 00:11:04,164 --> 00:11:06,197 What a capable guy he's got. 145 00:11:06,199 --> 00:11:08,232 What a powerful crew he's got. 146 00:11:08,234 --> 00:11:10,635 Paul sees it as a threat. 147 00:11:10,637 --> 00:11:13,037 Oh, everybody likes this guy. 148 00:11:13,039 --> 00:11:15,139 Hey, no, the attention's supposed to come to me, 149 00:11:15,141 --> 00:11:17,108 not to this guy. 150 00:11:17,110 --> 00:11:22,046 So, right there Paul's got a problem with John Gotti. 151 00:11:30,092 --> 00:11:32,224 When I was 16 years old, my father looked at me 152 00:11:32,300 --> 00:11:33,733 and he goes, "You want to work for me?" 153 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:37,235 He said, "Going to jail was all part of the job" he told me. 154 00:11:37,998 --> 00:11:40,965 My life escalated from working in a blackjack game 155 00:11:40,967 --> 00:11:45,636 when I was 16, to a dice game, to a number office, 156 00:11:45,638 --> 00:11:51,142 to hijacking trucks, to violence, to commit a murder. 157 00:11:51,144 --> 00:11:54,645 I mean, that was the progression of my life. 158 00:11:56,716 --> 00:11:59,150 You know, listen, when I was a kid, 159 00:11:59,152 --> 00:12:00,985 my father's partner told me, 160 00:12:00,987 --> 00:12:03,688 "Before you definitely commit to this life, 161 00:12:03,690 --> 00:12:05,390 go to Washington, D.C.," 162 00:12:05,392 --> 00:12:07,959 he told me, "and look at the justice department building, 163 00:12:07,961 --> 00:12:10,795 and look at that building, and I want you to know 164 00:12:10,797 --> 00:12:14,265 that that building is gonna chase you and come after you. 165 00:12:14,267 --> 00:12:17,368 your whole life", he told me. 166 00:12:17,370 --> 00:12:20,738 I didn't do it, but that's what he told me to do. 167 00:12:20,740 --> 00:12:22,206 Yeah. 168 00:12:37,774 --> 00:12:39,957 The time has come to cripple the power 169 00:12:39,959 --> 00:12:42,160 of the mob in America. 170 00:12:42,162 --> 00:12:46,364 Can we honestly say that America is a land with justice for all 171 00:12:46,366 --> 00:12:49,434 if we do not now exert every effort 172 00:12:49,436 --> 00:12:53,037 to eliminate this confederation of professional criminals, 173 00:12:53,039 --> 00:12:56,040 this dark, evil enemy within? 174 00:12:56,042 --> 00:12:58,209 You know the answer to that question. 175 00:12:58,211 --> 00:13:00,745 The American people want the mob and its associates 176 00:13:00,747 --> 00:13:03,347 brought to justice and their power broken. 177 00:13:26,172 --> 00:13:27,472 My name is Bruce Mouw. 178 00:13:27,474 --> 00:13:30,541 I was the FBI supervisor for approximately 20 years, 179 00:13:30,543 --> 00:13:32,143 responsible for all investigations 180 00:13:32,145 --> 00:13:35,880 involving the Gambino Crime Family. 181 00:13:35,882 --> 00:13:39,750 When I was first assigned to our office in Queens, 182 00:13:39,752 --> 00:13:40,952 and we started hearing informants 183 00:13:40,954 --> 00:13:43,221 reporting on this active crew in Ozone Park 184 00:13:43,223 --> 00:13:45,356 called the Bergin Hunt and Fish Crew, 185 00:13:45,358 --> 00:13:47,859 the captain being John Gotti. 186 00:13:53,066 --> 00:13:56,367 That was his kind of traditional, historic club. 187 00:13:56,369 --> 00:14:01,088 When he was running his crew, that was his headquarters. 188 00:14:01,090 --> 00:14:02,206 It was a very active crew. 189 00:14:02,208 --> 00:14:04,108 There were a lot of killers in the crew, 190 00:14:04,110 --> 00:14:08,146 and so it was one of the biggest targets for our squad. 191 00:14:08,148 --> 00:14:10,114 When you target the crew of a crime family, 192 00:14:10,116 --> 00:14:12,283 you always look for weak links, 193 00:14:12,285 --> 00:14:15,786 and our informants told us that a very weak link in the family 194 00:14:15,788 --> 00:14:18,389 was a guy named Angelo "Quack Quack." 195 00:14:18,391 --> 00:14:22,627 He had a big mouth, he talked a lot and he was a gossip. 196 00:14:22,629 --> 00:14:24,262 Gotti's right-hand man, best friend, 197 00:14:24,264 --> 00:14:26,464 and known to be his cousin, was Angelo. 198 00:14:26,466 --> 00:14:29,033 He was Gotti's personal strong arm, henchman, 199 00:14:29,035 --> 00:14:31,435 intimidator, and moneymaker. 200 00:14:31,437 --> 00:14:34,038 Along with his brother, Genie Gotti, 201 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:37,008 these guys were the two biggest earners for Gotti senior 202 00:14:37,010 --> 00:14:38,609 in the heroin trade. 203 00:14:42,949 --> 00:14:44,282 Our informants told us that 204 00:14:44,284 --> 00:14:46,184 he's having meetings in his house. 205 00:14:46,186 --> 00:14:49,954 The big house on Barnard Avenue, Cedarhurst, Long Island. 206 00:14:49,956 --> 00:14:52,490 There was a little dining area right outside his kitchen, 207 00:14:52,492 --> 00:14:55,526 and he's meeting other organized crime members and associates. 208 00:14:55,528 --> 00:14:57,795 So we put a bug in the little dining area, 209 00:14:57,797 --> 00:15:00,198 and we also put it in the downstairs den. 210 00:15:03,403 --> 00:15:05,803 And after a while we start picking up Gene Gotti 211 00:15:05,805 --> 00:15:07,238 showing up there, 212 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,741 and they were talking about major multi-kilo heroin deals. 213 00:15:28,628 --> 00:15:31,128 Paul Castellano was the boss at the time, 214 00:15:31,130 --> 00:15:33,664 and he didn't react too well. 215 00:15:33,666 --> 00:15:34,832 He wasn't happy. 216 00:15:34,834 --> 00:15:36,467 He wanted the tapes. 217 00:15:36,469 --> 00:15:37,702 He wanted the tapes, number one, 218 00:15:37,704 --> 00:15:40,271 just to make sure that his name wasn't involved, 219 00:15:40,273 --> 00:15:41,806 that was the first thing, 220 00:15:41,808 --> 00:15:44,442 And the second thing was that he knew that was the way 221 00:15:44,444 --> 00:15:46,344 to get rid of John and Genie, 222 00:15:46,346 --> 00:15:48,746 because the rule was you can't sell heroin, 223 00:15:48,748 --> 00:15:54,118 and it still could be enforced by a guy like Castellano. 224 00:16:19,312 --> 00:16:21,946 Once Paul started sending for those tapes, 225 00:16:21,948 --> 00:16:23,898 and they weren't gonna give them up, 226 00:16:23,900 --> 00:16:27,018 the **** was gonna hit the fan. 227 00:16:27,020 --> 00:16:28,486 I heard rumors. 228 00:16:28,488 --> 00:16:30,688 Somebody told me on Mulberry Street 229 00:16:30,690 --> 00:16:33,441 that Paul was going around telling people 230 00:16:33,443 --> 00:16:36,594 that he was gonna take care of John after christmas. 231 00:16:36,596 --> 00:16:39,664 You don't say that about a guy like John. 232 00:16:39,666 --> 00:16:41,465 John didn't wait for christmas, 233 00:16:41,467 --> 00:16:43,801 because John didn't give a **** about christmas! 234 00:16:58,134 --> 00:16:59,233 After them tapes, 235 00:16:59,235 --> 00:17:01,769 after Paul wanted to listen to them tapes, 236 00:17:01,771 --> 00:17:03,471 John knew, at that point, 237 00:17:03,473 --> 00:17:06,641 it was kill or be killed, and basically we all knew that. 238 00:17:19,489 --> 00:17:20,988 Sometimes I feel like I talk too much, 239 00:17:20,990 --> 00:17:23,924 but that's a good thing, right? 240 00:17:23,926 --> 00:17:25,359 My name's Karen Gravano. 241 00:17:25,361 --> 00:17:28,396 I'm the daughter of Salvatore "Sammy the Bull" Gravano. 242 00:17:31,834 --> 00:17:35,403 I was about nine years old when I started to realize 243 00:17:35,405 --> 00:17:38,973 that my father had a different type of lifestyle. 244 00:17:38,975 --> 00:17:41,776 He was a gangster and, you know, whatever that meant. 245 00:17:41,778 --> 00:17:45,212 If you crossed him, you had a problem. 246 00:17:45,214 --> 00:17:47,715 When he came home, he wasn't a gangster at home. 247 00:17:47,717 --> 00:17:52,319 He was a father, he was a friend, he was a protector. 248 00:17:52,321 --> 00:17:54,488 There's this one time, when we were kids, 249 00:17:54,490 --> 00:17:56,290 like my father took us to a duck pond, 250 00:17:56,292 --> 00:17:58,759 and I think we had a couple of my cousins. 251 00:17:58,761 --> 00:18:03,164 So everybody was feeding the duck, and the duck went crazy, 252 00:18:03,166 --> 00:18:04,865 and I think it bit me or my cousin, 253 00:18:04,867 --> 00:18:06,367 and I remember my father just, like, 254 00:18:06,369 --> 00:18:08,836 grabbing the duck by its neck and choking him. 255 00:18:08,838 --> 00:18:11,072 Feathers were flying, ducks, we're all screaming. 256 00:18:11,074 --> 00:18:12,606 Everybody was running. 257 00:18:12,608 --> 00:18:15,643 But, you know, he was protective. 258 00:18:15,645 --> 00:18:21,148 I mean, I would choke a duck if they attacked my daughters. 259 00:18:21,150 --> 00:18:22,717 And then it's just like all of a sudden, 260 00:18:22,719 --> 00:18:24,985 John Gotti appeared in my life. 261 00:18:27,557 --> 00:18:29,757 He had come to my father because John knew 262 00:18:29,759 --> 00:18:31,158 that he couldn't make a move on Paul 263 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,294 without including my father. 264 00:18:33,296 --> 00:18:37,031 My father felt like Paul wasn't kicking down to his own family, 265 00:18:37,033 --> 00:18:38,599 he was making a lot of money, 266 00:18:38,601 --> 00:18:41,736 and he really wasn't spreading the wealth. 267 00:18:41,738 --> 00:18:42,770 I don't want to sit here and say, like, 268 00:18:42,772 --> 00:18:44,705 my father loved to do murder, 269 00:18:44,707 --> 00:18:46,707 because I don't think anybody really likes that, 270 00:18:46,709 --> 00:18:49,143 but he was actually good at it. 271 00:18:55,184 --> 00:18:59,553 It's snowing out, a little snow, white christmas. 272 00:19:04,927 --> 00:19:08,929 I know it's gonna happen any day now. 273 00:19:08,931 --> 00:19:10,865 So the plan that they came up with 274 00:19:10,867 --> 00:19:12,199 was rather ingenious. 275 00:19:12,201 --> 00:19:14,802 They decide to take Paul Castellano out 276 00:19:14,804 --> 00:19:17,705 by luring him to one of his favorite restaurants 277 00:19:17,707 --> 00:19:20,775 with captains that he absolutely trusted. 278 00:19:20,777 --> 00:19:23,043 Their scheme was all the shooters, 279 00:19:23,045 --> 00:19:24,278 and they had many of them 280 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,213 because they wanted to be able to pull this off, 281 00:19:26,215 --> 00:19:29,350 were gonna be in trench coats, Russian hats. 282 00:19:29,352 --> 00:19:32,787 You see that a lot in New York, and it's just so nothing. 283 00:19:32,789 --> 00:19:34,655 No one's really going to pay attention to anything. 284 00:19:34,657 --> 00:19:36,824 If anything, they'll focus on, 285 00:19:36,826 --> 00:19:38,626 "Well, there's a guy with a trench coat and a Russian hat, 286 00:19:38,628 --> 00:19:40,528 I can't tell you anything else about him." 287 00:19:40,530 --> 00:19:43,364 One of the busiest sections of midtown Manhattan, 288 00:19:43,366 --> 00:19:47,635 four o'clock in the afternoon, around the holidays. 289 00:19:47,637 --> 00:19:50,171 So John Gotti was in the car up the corner 290 00:19:50,173 --> 00:19:51,772 with Sammy the Bull. 291 00:19:51,774 --> 00:19:53,040 He hated Paul so much 292 00:19:53,042 --> 00:19:55,743 that he wanted to see him laying in the street. 293 00:20:01,450 --> 00:20:03,584 I happen to be at another guy, 294 00:20:03,586 --> 00:20:06,153 I was at dinner at his house, sitting at the kitchen table, 295 00:20:06,155 --> 00:20:08,522 and he had a little television on the table. 296 00:20:15,231 --> 00:20:16,931 And while we're sitting eating, 297 00:20:16,933 --> 00:20:20,034 we get some 911 texts on our beepers. 298 00:20:20,036 --> 00:20:22,369 Back in those day, it was beepers. 299 00:20:24,674 --> 00:20:27,708 And I kept getting them, 911, 911. 300 00:20:30,146 --> 00:20:32,680 And behind the 911, I'm getting 9-8. 301 00:20:32,682 --> 00:20:36,050 That means come to the club on 98th street, the Bergin. 302 00:20:38,321 --> 00:20:40,754 So I know something happened. 303 00:20:47,029 --> 00:20:48,429 It's all over the news. 304 00:20:48,431 --> 00:20:49,864 It's flashed everywhere. 305 00:20:49,866 --> 00:20:53,734 That Paul Castellano was hit in front of Sparks Steakhouse. 306 00:20:53,736 --> 00:20:55,035 Big Paul Castellano, 307 00:20:55,037 --> 00:20:57,404 reputed godfather of the Gambino family, 308 00:20:57,406 --> 00:20:59,673 was on his way to a Manhattan steakhouse. 309 00:20:59,675 --> 00:21:01,442 As he stepped from his black Lincoln, 310 00:21:01,444 --> 00:21:04,745 three men wearing fur hats and trench coats suddenly appeared, 311 00:21:04,747 --> 00:21:07,948 pulled guns, pumped six bullets into Castellano 312 00:21:07,950 --> 00:21:10,718 and six into his top capo, Thomas Bilotti, 313 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,987 and then calmly walked away. 314 00:21:15,157 --> 00:21:17,424 I was upstairs in my room, and all of a sudden 315 00:21:17,426 --> 00:21:21,695 on the news, I'm hearing, you know, Paul Castellano, 316 00:21:21,697 --> 00:21:25,399 mob boss, is killed outside Sparks Steakhouse, 317 00:21:25,401 --> 00:21:28,269 and I'm thinking, like, "Wow, who could have done this?" 318 00:21:30,873 --> 00:21:33,641 After the hit, Sammy Gravano and John Gotti 319 00:21:33,643 --> 00:21:35,409 drove the car down the street 320 00:21:35,411 --> 00:21:39,213 and they slowed up and looked at the bodies and kept on going. 321 00:21:44,954 --> 00:21:47,087 Because he was a gangster, 322 00:21:47,089 --> 00:21:50,591 and he wanted to be there and see it for his own eyes. 323 00:21:54,196 --> 00:21:56,664 And then John was the boss. 324 00:22:05,441 --> 00:22:07,641 The old-time mob bosses, you'd say, you know, 325 00:22:07,643 --> 00:22:11,211 they ruled with an iron fist, covered with a velvet glove. 326 00:22:11,213 --> 00:22:13,113 Well, Gotti saw no need for the glove, 327 00:22:13,115 --> 00:22:14,515 that's what it came down to. 328 00:22:14,517 --> 00:22:18,052 This was a hostile takeover in every sense of the word. 329 00:22:20,323 --> 00:22:23,924 After he was killed and John became the boss, 330 00:22:23,926 --> 00:22:26,427 all the heroin dealers that were around John 331 00:22:26,429 --> 00:22:28,529 all got straightened out. 332 00:22:39,608 --> 00:22:43,410 Gotti was a boss who reflected the times. 333 00:22:43,412 --> 00:22:46,547 He was always grabbing and reaching for more and more. 334 00:22:52,755 --> 00:22:56,724 So by the time that we reach about 1986, 1987, 335 00:22:56,726 --> 00:23:00,694 we expand the heroin business into the cocaine business. 336 00:23:02,965 --> 00:23:05,232 I have Colombian connections, 337 00:23:05,234 --> 00:23:08,068 so we're coming in from Colombia. 338 00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:11,305 There's loads coming in from Miami, 339 00:23:11,307 --> 00:23:13,474 coming in from Detroit. 340 00:23:18,414 --> 00:23:22,649 The allure was money, and very easy money. 341 00:23:22,651 --> 00:23:25,886 If you've got the connections, it's about the logistics. 342 00:23:25,888 --> 00:23:27,921 It was money. 343 00:23:27,923 --> 00:23:30,090 So we go out to the Hamptons, Fire Island. 344 00:23:30,092 --> 00:23:32,626 Party, drink, broads, 345 00:23:32,628 --> 00:23:35,662 champagne flowing from the morning till night. 346 00:23:35,664 --> 00:23:40,267 Listen, when you have keys to the city, like John Gotti did, 347 00:23:40,269 --> 00:23:44,505 he was arrogant, he didn't care that he broke every rule. 348 00:23:44,507 --> 00:23:45,472 You know, this was supposed to be 349 00:23:45,474 --> 00:23:47,274 Cosa Nostra, our thing. 350 00:23:47,276 --> 00:23:49,309 When John Gotti took over, 351 00:23:49,311 --> 00:23:53,213 it was no longer "our thing," it was "my thing." 352 00:23:54,717 --> 00:23:57,084 His transformation was like a caterpillar 353 00:23:57,086 --> 00:23:59,653 turning into a butterfly. 354 00:23:59,655 --> 00:24:02,189 All of a sudden, he's wearing $3,000 ties, 355 00:24:02,191 --> 00:24:05,359 and the cocoon opens and out comes the dapper don. 356 00:24:05,361 --> 00:24:06,493 He's out and about. 357 00:24:06,495 --> 00:24:08,862 He's good with a quip and a sound bite. 358 00:24:08,864 --> 00:24:10,264 Why don't you just behave yourself? 359 00:24:10,266 --> 00:24:11,432 I'm behaving myself. 360 00:24:11,434 --> 00:24:12,733 You're not behaving yourself. 361 00:24:12,735 --> 00:24:14,568 John Gotti changes the whole dynamic 362 00:24:14,570 --> 00:24:15,803 of organized crime. 363 00:24:15,805 --> 00:24:18,005 No longer the old Sicilian-style, 364 00:24:18,007 --> 00:24:20,274 "make money not headlines, stay in the shadows." 365 00:24:20,276 --> 00:24:22,042 The idea was, what's the point of being a gangster 366 00:24:22,044 --> 00:24:23,911 if nobody knows who you are? 367 00:24:23,913 --> 00:24:26,713 Every fourth of July he throws a free fireworks bash 368 00:24:26,715 --> 00:24:29,283 for the neighborhood. 369 00:24:29,285 --> 00:24:30,884 When police had tried to stop it, 370 00:24:30,886 --> 00:24:32,653 the crowds have driven them back. 371 00:24:32,655 --> 00:24:36,623 Gotti is somewhat of a local hero here. 372 00:24:36,625 --> 00:24:38,892 Ironically, the neighborhood thinks 373 00:24:38,894 --> 00:24:42,329 John Gotti's keeping the drug dealers out of here. 374 00:24:42,331 --> 00:24:44,364 Yet John Gotti's a drug dealer, 375 00:24:44,366 --> 00:24:47,401 but he's not the guy pedaling it on the street, right? 376 00:24:47,403 --> 00:24:48,769 So it's the perception. 377 00:24:48,771 --> 00:24:50,504 He's saving us from drug dealers. 378 00:24:50,506 --> 00:24:52,139 No, he's not. 379 00:24:54,877 --> 00:24:57,478 Gotti was every day, in your face, look at me, 380 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:03,150 I'm a gangster doing this, and that drives law enforcement. 381 00:25:03,152 --> 00:25:05,252 You're in my face, you're doing this? 382 00:25:05,254 --> 00:25:06,453 I'm coming to get you. 383 00:25:20,870 --> 00:25:23,303 He was such the boss. 384 00:25:23,305 --> 00:25:25,906 He says, "And the worst I'll ever wind up with," 385 00:25:25,908 --> 00:25:29,209 he said, "is a hung jury, because the public loves me." 386 00:25:29,211 --> 00:25:32,045 And he was convinced that the public loved him, 387 00:25:32,047 --> 00:25:35,315 that they would never convict him at a trial. 388 00:25:41,090 --> 00:25:44,024 Every time there was a trial against John Gotti senior, 389 00:25:44,026 --> 00:25:47,995 we were ordered to intimidate, hurt, or bribe the juries. 390 00:25:47,997 --> 00:25:50,063 Get them not to give a guilty plea, 391 00:25:50,065 --> 00:25:52,533 and we'll take care of you and a family member. 392 00:25:52,535 --> 00:25:53,767 If you can't get to them, 393 00:25:53,769 --> 00:25:55,869 tell them we'll take of you's a different way. 394 00:25:55,871 --> 00:25:58,372 In other words, we'll hurt you or kill you. 395 00:25:58,374 --> 00:26:00,674 We find him not guilty. 396 00:26:02,211 --> 00:26:03,510 Are you happy? 397 00:26:03,512 --> 00:26:04,678 Well, for sure. 398 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,513 - We're all happy. - We're all happy. 399 00:26:06,515 --> 00:26:08,282 We got a good decision. 400 00:26:08,284 --> 00:26:10,584 The whole city should be happy. 401 00:26:18,494 --> 00:26:20,160 By the time he beats the third one, 402 00:26:20,162 --> 00:26:22,596 the public is convinced, the media's convinced, 403 00:26:22,598 --> 00:26:24,731 law enforcement can't put him in jail. 404 00:26:24,733 --> 00:26:26,967 The charges just don't stick. 405 00:26:26,969 --> 00:26:31,038 He starts developing the nickname The Teflon Don. 406 00:26:39,548 --> 00:26:41,782 Brooklyn, Queens, Bushwick, East New York, 407 00:26:41,784 --> 00:26:43,750 South Jamaica, jails. 408 00:26:43,752 --> 00:26:46,787 If we seen a business that we like, we'd step into it, 409 00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:49,790 and there was nobody was gonna stop us. 410 00:26:49,792 --> 00:26:51,391 Well, without a doubt he felt invincible, 411 00:26:51,393 --> 00:26:52,826 and he put it in their faces. 412 00:26:52,828 --> 00:26:54,561 And plus, he was an egomaniac. 413 00:26:54,563 --> 00:26:57,030 So, yeah, it was unheard of. It was unprecedented. 414 00:26:57,032 --> 00:27:00,167 Everybody knew in their heart that we were headed for trouble. 415 00:29:12,334 --> 00:29:13,834 We're moving it through Rikers Island, 416 00:29:13,836 --> 00:29:16,937 through guards that are giving it to inmates. 417 00:29:16,939 --> 00:29:19,806 The easy connection is they're from our neighborhoods. 418 00:29:19,808 --> 00:29:21,708 These guys grew up in our neighborhoods, 419 00:29:21,710 --> 00:29:23,377 they grew up in poverty. 420 00:29:23,379 --> 00:29:28,615 We have connections to them through people, family members. 421 00:29:28,617 --> 00:29:31,284 So one of the guys that I was doing business with in heroin, 422 00:29:31,286 --> 00:29:33,487 he was a sergeant at Rikers Island. 423 00:29:33,489 --> 00:29:38,258 His brother actually worked for me in the cocaine business. 424 00:29:38,260 --> 00:29:41,294 We use him to get me the other connections of the other guards, 425 00:29:41,296 --> 00:29:45,932 guys that he trusts, guys that he knows for years. 426 00:29:45,934 --> 00:29:49,369 You just had to have a half of a brain, a little bit of balls, 427 00:29:49,371 --> 00:29:53,707 and with the power structure behind me and other guys, 428 00:29:53,709 --> 00:29:58,912 the city was ours, and the way we made money was ours. 429 00:29:58,914 --> 00:30:00,747 John's style was completely different 430 00:30:00,749 --> 00:30:02,149 than Paul's. 431 00:30:02,151 --> 00:30:07,020 Paul ran the Gambino family within La Cosa Nostra rules, 432 00:30:07,022 --> 00:30:08,555 like a business. 433 00:30:08,557 --> 00:30:13,026 There were protocols to how you, to how things are gonna happen. 434 00:30:13,028 --> 00:30:15,729 Gotti ran the organization like it was a gang. 435 00:30:15,731 --> 00:30:17,931 I mean, that's what he knew, that's what he came up with. 436 00:30:17,933 --> 00:30:21,168 You had guys dealing drugs, you had guys doing scams, 437 00:30:21,170 --> 00:30:23,303 you had guys out doing this, that and the other thing, 438 00:30:23,305 --> 00:30:27,340 and so he brought that same gang mentality to his leadership. 439 00:30:38,821 --> 00:30:42,189 I believe it was 1986 my father became the underboss. 440 00:30:42,191 --> 00:30:44,257 My father was basically his pit bull, his friend, 441 00:30:44,259 --> 00:30:48,261 his confidant, and someone that Gotti can trust. 442 00:31:01,143 --> 00:31:04,511 John's motto was, "Let's put it out there, Sammy. 443 00:31:04,513 --> 00:31:07,047 Let's put it on front street." 444 00:31:09,017 --> 00:31:11,184 He was the boss. 445 00:31:11,186 --> 00:31:13,153 He had everybody standing at attention. 446 00:31:13,155 --> 00:31:15,355 He had everybody coming to see him. 447 00:31:15,357 --> 00:31:17,924 Like, he would basically call meetings every night 448 00:31:17,926 --> 00:31:20,026 that they had to be on Mulberry Street 449 00:31:20,028 --> 00:31:23,430 at the Ravenite Social Club at 6:00 pm, 450 00:31:23,432 --> 00:31:25,899 and that's not what gangsters do. 451 00:31:25,901 --> 00:31:27,868 Cosa Nostra is a secret society, 452 00:31:27,870 --> 00:31:30,770 you're not supposed to show people what you are, 453 00:31:30,772 --> 00:31:35,175 and that became a strain between my father and John. 454 00:31:58,500 --> 00:31:59,900 I mean, we could never figure out 455 00:31:59,902 --> 00:32:03,470 who these guys were under Paul Castellano. 456 00:32:03,472 --> 00:32:05,805 There were 250 members in this family. 457 00:32:05,807 --> 00:32:09,509 John made 60%, 70% of them at some point 458 00:32:09,511 --> 00:32:13,647 show up at the Ravenite Club to pay homage to him. 459 00:32:20,022 --> 00:32:24,691 We were able to identify a huge number of members 460 00:32:24,693 --> 00:32:28,662 of that family, associate them with their vehicles, 461 00:32:28,664 --> 00:32:31,064 associate them with their crews. 462 00:32:31,066 --> 00:32:33,833 That's important and vital information. 463 00:32:36,705 --> 00:32:39,606 John handed it to us. 464 00:32:56,592 --> 00:33:00,260 So the strategy was we got to bug this guy 465 00:33:00,262 --> 00:33:03,396 anyplace he's potentially doing business. 466 00:33:03,398 --> 00:33:07,033 The trick was finding the right places to put bugs. 467 00:33:11,206 --> 00:33:14,074 So the first place we knew John was going every day 468 00:33:14,076 --> 00:33:16,209 was back to the Bergin Hunt and Fish Club, 469 00:33:16,211 --> 00:33:17,978 which was in Queens. 470 00:33:22,451 --> 00:33:25,085 Then we knew every night he was going to the Ravenite, 471 00:33:25,087 --> 00:33:27,921 so that would be the next place to try and bug. 472 00:33:30,058 --> 00:33:33,259 And sources tell us that he's now using this apartment 473 00:33:33,261 --> 00:33:37,030 two stories up to have his very important meetings. 474 00:33:38,900 --> 00:33:40,433 We had a widow living there. 475 00:33:40,435 --> 00:33:45,772 Our tech guys went in, they put the bug into her apartment. 476 00:33:45,774 --> 00:33:47,407 We're all excited. 477 00:33:47,409 --> 00:33:50,510 So we're sitting there waiting for that first conversation 478 00:33:50,512 --> 00:33:52,178 and, you know, day one goes, nothing. 479 00:33:52,180 --> 00:33:54,714 Day two, nothing. Day three, nothing. 480 00:34:02,391 --> 00:34:05,625 But a few days later we hear the back door open. 481 00:34:05,627 --> 00:34:06,893 We heard him walking through the hallway, 482 00:34:06,895 --> 00:34:09,729 going up these wooden steps upstairs. 483 00:34:09,731 --> 00:34:12,265 We activated the apartment mic, 484 00:34:12,267 --> 00:34:14,134 and we also hear the apartment open up, 485 00:34:14,136 --> 00:34:16,136 and we hear three guys come in. 486 00:34:16,138 --> 00:34:19,572 And I'm home, you know, and I get a phone call, 487 00:34:19,574 --> 00:34:22,375 and all they told me was, "He's in the apartment." 488 00:34:22,377 --> 00:34:24,811 "He's been up here for an hour plus." 489 00:34:24,813 --> 00:34:26,980 "We could hear everything great." 490 00:34:26,982 --> 00:34:28,114 "I think you're going to be happy." 491 00:34:28,116 --> 00:34:29,716 "It sounds like they were talking about murder." 492 00:34:41,813 --> 00:34:43,480 I can't wait to get in the office the next day, 493 00:34:43,482 --> 00:34:46,249 because I have to listen to this. 494 00:34:46,251 --> 00:34:49,519 We put the tape on to review it, 495 00:34:49,521 --> 00:34:53,590 and not only is it great conversation, 496 00:34:53,592 --> 00:34:57,761 and it's John and Sammy, 497 00:34:57,763 --> 00:34:59,963 and the first conversation we get, 498 00:34:59,965 --> 00:35:03,333 in the one place we were hopeful to get good conversations, 499 00:35:03,335 --> 00:35:06,069 is on why they killed Paul Castellano. 500 00:35:07,839 --> 00:35:10,373 I mean, you couldn't have scripted that for Hollywood, 501 00:35:10,375 --> 00:35:13,076 to make stuff like that fall out. 502 00:35:13,078 --> 00:35:14,511 It was incredible. 503 00:35:16,481 --> 00:35:20,250 The plan was we wanted the impact of arresting all of them 504 00:35:20,252 --> 00:35:22,152 at the Ravenite together. 505 00:35:25,557 --> 00:35:28,925 We're just waiting for Sammy, number two. 506 00:35:28,927 --> 00:35:30,760 So once Bruce told me we had them, 507 00:35:30,762 --> 00:35:33,029 I just had to get down there as fast as I could. 508 00:35:38,737 --> 00:35:40,270 I'm the lead car. 509 00:35:40,272 --> 00:35:45,408 We go, I mean, I'm, once I'm going, nothing is stopping me. 510 00:35:45,410 --> 00:35:49,946 Bust through traffic, go up Mulberry Street the wrong way, 511 00:35:49,948 --> 00:35:51,514 block off the street. 512 00:35:51,516 --> 00:35:53,383 Jump out of the car. 513 00:35:53,385 --> 00:35:55,185 Run into the Ravenite. 514 00:35:55,187 --> 00:35:57,654 You know, kind of make my entrance, 515 00:35:57,656 --> 00:36:01,191 say, "Alright, everybody, know who I am. 516 00:36:01,193 --> 00:36:05,195 You know why I'm here. I want you to be cooperative. 517 00:36:05,197 --> 00:36:08,531 The guys behind me are gonna deal with you." 518 00:36:08,533 --> 00:36:10,366 And one of the guys looks at me and says, 519 00:36:10,368 --> 00:36:12,435 "What guys behind you?" 520 00:36:12,437 --> 00:36:14,504 And I turn around and I was like, 521 00:36:14,506 --> 00:36:17,874 "Well, there will be guys behind me any minute now. 522 00:36:17,876 --> 00:36:20,210 I'm not sure where the heck they are." 523 00:36:20,212 --> 00:36:22,111 John was drinking coffee. 524 00:36:22,113 --> 00:36:24,214 You know, and John, you know, typical arrogant self, 525 00:36:24,216 --> 00:36:27,484 "I knew you were coming." 526 00:36:27,486 --> 00:36:29,853 "Well, I'm glad you knew I was coming." 527 00:36:29,855 --> 00:36:32,455 Says, "Oh, let me just finish my coffee." 528 00:36:32,457 --> 00:36:33,923 The one thing about John, 529 00:36:33,925 --> 00:36:39,195 he didn't buckle under, under the pressure of the FBI or mob. 530 00:36:40,565 --> 00:36:43,199 Mr. Gotti. Thank you. 531 00:36:43,201 --> 00:36:44,334 Mr. Gotti, please. 532 00:36:44,336 --> 00:36:47,904 - That stuff's in the way. - I know. 533 00:36:59,784 --> 00:37:02,051 Everything started going fast, you know? 534 00:37:02,053 --> 00:37:05,255 It just all started to come together in my head. 535 00:37:05,257 --> 00:37:08,157 So I realized that my father's in trouble. 536 00:37:08,159 --> 00:37:10,326 Like this is something big. 537 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,800 A few days after that we had the remand hearing 538 00:37:17,802 --> 00:37:19,235 where the judge decides 539 00:37:19,237 --> 00:37:21,671 whether they're going to be released on bail or not. 540 00:37:24,175 --> 00:37:26,843 I'm sitting opposite the three defendants, 541 00:37:26,845 --> 00:37:28,244 and it was going to be the first time 542 00:37:28,246 --> 00:37:31,748 they were going to hear a little bit of what we had. 543 00:37:53,805 --> 00:37:56,506 As this was all being played, I'm looking at John, 544 00:37:56,508 --> 00:38:01,010 like, I told you it was good, and he's just kind of staring, 545 00:38:01,012 --> 00:38:06,015 like, yeah, I don't know what I'm going to do about this. 546 00:38:19,564 --> 00:38:21,197 Sammy Gravano's a very shrewd guy 547 00:38:21,199 --> 00:38:22,799 and a very intelligent guy, 548 00:38:22,801 --> 00:38:25,335 And Sammy Gravano looks at the lay of the land, 549 00:38:25,337 --> 00:38:27,036 and on some of the tapes, 550 00:38:27,038 --> 00:38:30,640 Gotti is not saying very nice things about Gravano. 551 00:38:30,642 --> 00:38:32,842 He implicates Sammy in a bunch of murders 552 00:38:32,844 --> 00:38:35,511 that are going to put Sammy in jail for life. 553 00:38:35,513 --> 00:38:37,013 I mean, somebody described it as 554 00:38:37,015 --> 00:38:39,983 Gotti was being what they call a dry snitch. 555 00:38:39,985 --> 00:38:42,986 He's talking about murders and blaming Gravano 556 00:38:42,988 --> 00:38:45,238 in case anybody's listening, 557 00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:47,557 and Gravano interprets all of that 558 00:38:47,559 --> 00:38:50,326 as "This guy was ready to throw me under the bus," 559 00:38:50,328 --> 00:38:53,463 or "This guy is throwing me under the bus." 560 00:38:53,465 --> 00:38:54,597 He felt betrayed, 561 00:38:54,599 --> 00:38:57,000 and the feds were actually smart enough, 562 00:38:57,002 --> 00:38:58,568 because they used this tape 563 00:38:58,570 --> 00:39:01,437 as the wedge between my father and Gotti. 564 00:39:01,439 --> 00:39:02,805 It's the old saying, 565 00:39:02,807 --> 00:39:04,807 there's no loyalty amongst thieves. 566 00:39:04,809 --> 00:39:06,909 You do what you got to do. 567 00:39:06,911 --> 00:39:08,311 It's the name of the game. 568 00:39:30,552 --> 00:39:32,151 This particular time when I went on a visit, 569 00:39:32,153 --> 00:39:36,389 I could tell that something was different. 570 00:39:36,391 --> 00:39:40,259 And he came over, he sat down, 571 00:39:40,261 --> 00:39:42,362 he was like, "I'm going to tell you something 572 00:39:42,364 --> 00:39:45,231 that goes against everything I believe in, 573 00:39:45,233 --> 00:39:47,834 and everything I've ever taught you to believe in." 574 00:39:50,138 --> 00:39:53,673 "I'm going to cooperate with the government." 575 00:39:53,675 --> 00:39:56,009 And it was like, I couldn't even believe that those words 576 00:39:56,011 --> 00:39:57,176 came out of his mouth. 577 00:39:57,178 --> 00:40:01,180 Like I never could imagine him doing that. 578 00:40:01,182 --> 00:40:02,782 Everything that he ever taught me as a kid, 579 00:40:02,784 --> 00:40:04,450 like, he was so against that. 580 00:40:04,452 --> 00:40:07,787 That he's actually saying this to me right now, 581 00:40:07,789 --> 00:40:09,789 it just broke my heart. 582 00:40:13,328 --> 00:40:15,161 So when we were making the decision 583 00:40:15,163 --> 00:40:17,230 whether or not to make the deal with Sammy, 584 00:40:17,232 --> 00:40:18,431 with that came concerns 585 00:40:18,433 --> 00:40:22,902 as to how he could adversely affect our trial. 586 00:40:22,904 --> 00:40:26,672 I now had somebody the defense could beat up, 587 00:40:26,674 --> 00:40:28,141 they could cross examine. 588 00:40:28,143 --> 00:40:30,576 The jury can hate this guy. 589 00:40:30,578 --> 00:40:33,146 That's all a problem to my case. 590 00:40:33,148 --> 00:40:35,081 It was a risk. 591 00:40:51,966 --> 00:40:53,433 The guy dressed like Fonzi 592 00:40:53,435 --> 00:40:55,802 is the prosecutor's star witness. 593 00:40:55,804 --> 00:40:58,171 He was Gotti's number two man. 594 00:40:58,173 --> 00:41:01,607 "Sammy the Bull" Gravano was Gotti's underboss, 595 00:41:01,609 --> 00:41:04,377 and now he's going to tell the jury all about it. 596 00:41:04,379 --> 00:41:05,912 I'd have to say that he's the most significant 597 00:41:05,914 --> 00:41:09,549 organized crime figure ever to cooperate with the government. 598 00:41:09,551 --> 00:41:12,552 On the witness stand, I mean, even the first time 599 00:41:12,554 --> 00:41:15,922 he came out having to face and square off against John, 600 00:41:15,924 --> 00:41:17,623 and the two of them lock eyes, 601 00:41:17,625 --> 00:41:19,692 and John's kind of giving him that stare-down, 602 00:41:19,694 --> 00:41:23,529 and Sammy's like, "I'm here because of this ****." 603 00:41:23,531 --> 00:41:28,701 Once that moment ended, it's like, under control, got this. 604 00:41:28,703 --> 00:41:30,069 Not a problem. 605 00:41:30,071 --> 00:41:32,271 They couldn't get under his skin. 606 00:41:32,273 --> 00:41:33,773 They played the rat card. 607 00:41:33,775 --> 00:41:35,441 They did everything. 608 00:41:35,443 --> 00:41:39,612 This guy was one of the best witnesses 609 00:41:39,614 --> 00:41:41,147 I've ever seen testify. 610 00:41:41,149 --> 00:41:43,649 Better than some cops I've ever seen testify. 611 00:41:43,651 --> 00:41:45,885 He was unflappable. 612 00:41:53,495 --> 00:41:55,294 The teflon is gone. 613 00:41:55,296 --> 00:41:57,130 The don is covered with velcro, 614 00:41:57,132 --> 00:42:00,066 and every charge in the indictment stuck. 615 00:42:00,068 --> 00:42:01,901 That's when it finally hit me, I almost teared up, 616 00:42:01,903 --> 00:42:03,703 knowing all this hard work for years and years 617 00:42:03,705 --> 00:42:06,422 had finally come to fruition. 618 00:42:09,310 --> 00:42:10,309 We did something that nobody thought 619 00:42:10,311 --> 00:42:11,978 was gonna happen, right? 620 00:42:11,980 --> 00:42:13,813 Nobody thought this guy was gonna go to jail, 621 00:42:13,815 --> 00:42:15,815 and we slammed the doors on him. 622 00:42:15,817 --> 00:42:18,251 Gotti's friends had organized a rally of supporters 623 00:42:18,253 --> 00:42:21,187 from Gotti's neighborhood to come and protest the trial, 624 00:42:21,189 --> 00:42:24,090 which they claim was unfair. 625 00:42:24,092 --> 00:42:26,325 The swelled to the front of the courthouse, 626 00:42:26,327 --> 00:42:30,730 overturned U.S. Marshals' cars and clashed with police. 627 00:42:30,732 --> 00:42:33,266 Gotti was a boss, the celebrity gangster. 628 00:42:33,268 --> 00:42:36,302 Gotti was the boss who grabbed with both fists 629 00:42:36,304 --> 00:42:38,671 his whole way up the mob ladder. 630 00:42:38,673 --> 00:42:41,007 There was a lot of money to be made dealing drugs, 631 00:42:41,009 --> 00:42:44,177 whether it's coke, marijuana, heroin, meth, whatever, 632 00:42:44,179 --> 00:42:47,380 but reality was the way he managed this organization 633 00:42:47,382 --> 00:42:48,781 drove it into the ground. 634 00:42:48,783 --> 00:42:50,349 He felt the public loved him, 635 00:42:50,351 --> 00:42:51,884 and those were his words: 636 00:42:51,886 --> 00:42:55,321 "They love me and the worst I'll ever get is a hung jury." 637 00:42:55,323 --> 00:42:58,024 And that's what he thought. 638 00:42:58,026 --> 00:42:59,926 And that's what he believed. 639 00:42:59,928 --> 00:43:02,195 But at the end of the day, he was wrong. 640 00:44:00,355 --> 00:44:02,989 I don't hurt nobody. I don't rob nobody. 641 00:44:02,991 --> 00:44:07,660 I don't lie to nobody, but sometimes I miss the action. 642 00:44:07,662 --> 00:44:09,362 I miss the money. 643 00:44:09,364 --> 00:44:11,063 My life was all about greed. 644 00:44:11,065 --> 00:44:12,298 I never had enough. 645 00:44:12,300 --> 00:44:13,633 You know, greed is the gasoline 646 00:44:13,635 --> 00:44:15,901 that feeds the engine in the mob. 647 00:44:15,903 --> 00:44:18,371 At the end of the day, it's all about the dollar. 648 00:44:18,373 --> 00:44:21,407 It's all about the dollar. 649 00:44:21,409 --> 00:44:23,309 ~subtitles ripped and corrected by~ Rapunzel@addic7ed.com 51729

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