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MICHELLE MCNAMARA:
When I'm puzzling over
the details of an unsolved crime
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I'm like a rat in a maze
given a task.
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I had a murder habit
and it was bad.
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I would feed it
for the rest of my life.
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♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYS) ♪
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MAN: Her ultimate dream
was always to write books.
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MICHELLE: The case that
I'm most obsessed with is
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a serial offender
that raped 50 women
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in California
and killed ten people.
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She also really wanted a child.
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MICHELLE: Oh, Alice!
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Michelle wanted to get
this guy caught.
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The story of the victims,
it has to be told.
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WOMAN: We were awakened
by a voice.
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WOMAN 2:
There he is in his ski mask.
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WOMAN 3: He said,
"Don't move or I'll kill you.
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WOMAN 4: Everyone loves a story
about a killer,
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but there was nothing new
to say yet.
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♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
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♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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MALE HYPNOTIST:
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(HEARTBEAT THUMPING)
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Now...
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LORI:
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HYPNOTIST:
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(LAUGHTER ON TV)
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LORI:
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HYPNOTIST:
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LORI:
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HYPNOTIST:
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(DOG BARKING)
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HYPNOTIST:
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LORI:
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HYPNOTIST:
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LORI:
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(HEARTBEAT THUMPING)
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HYPNOTIST:
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LORI:
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HYPNOTIST:
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LORI:
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HYPNOTIST:
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(HEART BEATING FASTER)
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LORI:
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HYPNOTIST:
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LORI:
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♪ ("AVALANCHE"
BY AIMEE MANN PLAYING) ♪
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♪ Well I stepped
Into an avalanche ♪
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♪ It covered up my soul ♪
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♪ When I am not this hunchback
That you see ♪
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♪ I sleep beneath
The golden hill ♪
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♪ You who wish to conquer pain ♪
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♪ You must learn
Learn to serve me well ♪
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♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
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This guy, I think...
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I guess what I think people
underestimate is the...
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I hate to use this word,
the productivity and the--
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he was so-- this is
what he did constantly.
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And when you do
something over and over again,
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you get--
you just get better at it.
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And I don't think that that
necessarily meant--
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I just don't think
he was an evil genius.
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-CAMERON CLOUTIER: Right.
-I think if you're out
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-every night at 3:00 a.m...
-CAMERON: Right.
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...trying to break
into people's houses,
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it's a numbers game.
At a certain point,
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you're gonna be successful.
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♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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PATTON OSWALT: (OVER PHONE)
Hey, it's Patton.
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Just wanted to call
and congratulate you.
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That is such awesome news.
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Oh, you so deserve it.
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(HUMMING)
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KERA BOLONIK: Hey, Michelle.
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I just wanted
to say congratulations.
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I'm just thrilled for you.
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MELANIE BARBEAU:
Hey Michelle, It's Mel.
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Call me, I'm looking forward
to talking to you
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about the, um, article.
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MICHELLE MCNAMARA:
One, one thing that, um, was...
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that I was interested in was...
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how do you think
the East Area Rapist
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chose the victims?
Because that's the other thing
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that's so striking to me
about this case,
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is that there obviously has to
be a high level of surveillance.
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-LARRY CROMPTON: Mm-hmm.
-MICHELLE: But then there's also
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a spontaneity issue because...
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So, he had to, like,
pick these people,
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but then it's also, like,
the one time
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the husband's called away
for two hours.
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So it's almost like
he's omnipresent,
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and I can't figure that out.
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LARRY: Well, a lot of times
he would go in
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and I think
he would pick out a person.
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(CASSETTE TAPE REWINDING)
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LARRY: A lot of times
he would go in
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and I think he would pick out
a person. But--
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So he was going into their house
maybe beforehand
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-when they weren't there?
-Yes. Oh, yes.
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-MICHELLE: Oh, okay.
-LARRY: Yeah.
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MICHELLE: The hook for me
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was that the case
seemed solvable.
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He'd left behind
so many victims
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and abundant clues.
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The case dragged me
under quickly.
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Curiosity turned
to clawing hunger.
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There were two more victims
in January.
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A quote by an anonymous
sheriff's detective
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in the Sacramento Bee
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conveyed the brittle weariness
setting in.
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"It was exactly the same
as all the rest."
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(PHONE RINGING)
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NANCY MILLER: The first draft
of Michelle's piece comes in,
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and it is one
of the most difficult,
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disturbing, violent collections
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of terrible things
that happened to people.
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And I was like, "Oh, shit.
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This is real."
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And then it was like...
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an elevator plunging
20,000 stories.
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-♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
-(COMPUTER KEYS CLACKING)
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This is the first paragraph
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that just gave me nightmares.
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"The first attack
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in many ways resembled
the 49 that followed.
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The 23-year-old victim
woke to a man
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in a navy blue T-shirt
and white ski mask
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standing in her bedroom doorway.
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He wore no pants and was erect.
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She thought she was dreaming
until he leaped onto her bed.
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'If you make one move or sound,
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I'll stick this knife in you,'
he whispered,
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pressing the blade
into her right temple."
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MICHELLE: The unknown offender,
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soon dubbed
"the East Area Rapist,"
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would go on
to rape and terrorize
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Northern California communities
for the next three years.
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"His habits were unique
and disturbing.
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He clearly did
a great deal of surveillance
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of his victims and their homes.
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He used shoelaces or torn towels
as ligatures."
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NANCY: "His tenth victim
was playing the piano
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when he materialized.
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He tied her hands
behind her back
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with shoelaces he'd stolen
earlier from her sister's shoes.
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He had her masturbate him
with hand lotion,
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a habit of his,
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while he quizzed her
on her sexual history.
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The victim was a virgin.
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He raped her anyway.
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'Oh, isn't this good?'
he asked.
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He held a knife to her throat
until she said yes."
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(GROANS)
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NANCY:
When I was reading the piece,
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the number "50" skid past me
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the first few times
I read that story
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because it was like,
"Twelve murders.
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Murders, murders, murders."
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And then I stepped back
and I was like, "Fifty rapes."
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No one wants to talk about
that part of the story, really.
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The devastation that that had
on the community,
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on partners, in families,
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and then made worse
by the fact that
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we just didn't necessarily
have the tools
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or the culture
to treat the victims
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in the way they probably needed
at that time.
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MIKE BOYD:
They range in age from 22 to 35,
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in color,
from black to brown to white.
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(MEN TALKING INDISTINCTLY)
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Joel, convicted of two rapes.
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He also told me
he'd attacked men.
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This is Vic.
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He raped,
then murdered a woman.
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Jim used a gun
to beat his victims.
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RICHARD SHELBY:
In the '70s in Sacramento,
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there seemed to be a center
for the real wackos.
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It really did.
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You had all kinds of rapists.
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The Early Bird Rapist,
who started about '68 or '70,
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he did 41, I think it was,
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rapes, in the homes.
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That never made much
in the way of news.
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The Stinky Rapist.
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He did many,
many rapes in Berkeley.
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And they thought
they knew who he was,
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but the DA wouldn't file.
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And he moved to Oakland,
where he continued raping
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and was never caught.
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You had the Car Key Rapist.
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He would rape the lady
in the car,
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and then he would take off
with the key.
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And, uh, you had
the Pillowcase Rapist.
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These were
very, very active rapists.
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There were about 15
that I come up with,
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where they were raping
30, 40, 50 people.
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Rape in the '70s was...
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a crime like a simple assault.
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It was not considered
a big deal.
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The sentence for, um, uh...
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raping somebody
could be 30 days,
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could be 90 days,
you'd get probation.
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There was no real, uh,
crime statute
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for sexual assault,
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and so, um, I think
when these crimes began,
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um, you know, you looked at
the way women were treated.
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The sex offender today
has a greater number
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of available women
to choose from.
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There are more working women,
single women living alone,
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not with their families
or with men.
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SECOND ACTOR:
Because of the mobility
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and the visibility
of today's woman,
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she must learn
to understand the rapist.
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For today's woman
to understand the rapist,
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she's gotta learn
to understand the man.
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♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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MELANIE: Of course,
women didn't talk about it
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because of the way
they were treated
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when they did talk about it,
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and oftentimes blamed
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for what did they do
that was inappropriate
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or what, you know,
what were they wearing?
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How were they walking?
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You know,
did they do something
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that would've brought
that kind of attention
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against their will?
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FEMALE NARRATOR 1:
The young girl made
one bad move after another.
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Her attitude
was much too inviting.
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She should never have stopped
to window shop at night.
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She parked in a dark section
of the parking lot
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and didn't have her keys ready
in her hand.
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(SCREAMING)
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CAMERON: So, uh, Michelle...
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how did you become interested
in true crime?
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You know, how old were you
when you first got into it?
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I got interested in true crime,
um, because when I was 14,
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uh, living outside of Chicago,
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a neighbor of mine was murdered.
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Um, and it-- it was,
it's still unsolved.
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Her name was Kathy Lombardo.
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♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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I grew up in Oak Park, Illinois,
which is outside Chicago.
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It was just a laid-back
residential area
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and it really kind of
shocked our town.
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And it was-- it was
headline news, for sure.
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MALE REPORTER 1:
Kathy Lombardo grew up
in this neighborhood.
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She felt safe here.
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So she could be found just
about every night of the week
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walking briskly through
these streets and alleys,
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always alone, always wearing
her stereo headphones
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with the music
turned up full blast.
250
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Last night, somebody grabbed
the 24-year-old Oak Park woman
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in an alley,
probably from behind,
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stabbed her in the heart,
and slashed her throat.
253
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Police say she was probably
sexually attacked as well.
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She was found just
after 10:00 by two youths,
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who called a neighbor
to the scene.
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I got there
and went to reach down
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to check her carotid pulse,
and her throat was slit open.
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Uh, she was turning pale fast
and, uh...
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couple pumps, you know,
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a couple more pumps
from her throat,
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and she was dead.
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MICHELLE: I don't think,
up until that point,
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I had been interested
in murder at all.
264
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I was just very gripped
by this story
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and very shocked by it
and very, um, obsessed
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with kind of the blankness
of this person's face.
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That we didn't know
who may be, like,
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slinking by us
covered in blood.
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I mean, it just seemed
so unbelievable to me
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that someone among us
was a cold-blooded killer
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who had cut this woman's throat.
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MALE REPORTER 1:
Today, police scoured the alley
where the murder took place
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and found the blade
of the kitchen knife
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they think was used
to kill the young woman.
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They're still searching
for the handle,
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which was broken off.
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What happened to her is wrong.
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It could happen to you
or me or anyone.
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MICHELLE: I remember
walking to the place
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where I knew
she had been killed and...
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um, finding kinda these
shattered pieces of Walkman
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that were still there
and kinda picking them up.
283
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I didn't go as far as
to talk to,
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you know, the police
or anything like that,
285
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but I was definitely
very curious
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about the different elements
of the crime
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and how it had happened
and who this guy could be.
288
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Was he someone we knew?
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Everyone moved on,
and I couldn't.
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-From, like, '75 to '84...
-LARRY: Yeah.
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MICHELLE: ...there were
so many serial offenders
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operating at the same time.
It blows my mind.
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-LARRY: Yeah, yeah.
-MICHELLE:
I don't know why that was,
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-but there was a ton of that.
-LARRY: I don't either.
295
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The East Area Rapist
was not the most active.
296
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He was the most violent,
from what we knew.
297
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He would break into the homes
while they were sleeping.
298
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The sex was not... his thing.
299
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The terror that he put in 'em
was the thing.
300
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CAROL DALY: Now,
one of the big questions
301
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that was asked here last night,
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"If we have a gun,
could we shoot him?"
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Knowing what I know
about this man,
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if I had a gun,
I definitely would shoot him.
305
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And I would not shoot to injure.
306
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I would shoot
to take care of him.
307
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There are two things known
about the rapist
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currently terrorizing
Sacramento.
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One is he has never been caught
in a home
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where there was a man present.
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The other is
he's never been in a home
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where there has been a big dog.
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MELANIE: '77 became a time
where the East Area Rapist
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-began attacking couples.
-MICHELLE: And why do you think
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he did-- he started
to do couples?
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LARRY: I really do think it was
because of the news media.
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MICHELLE: Yeah.
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The first 15 rapes
in the Sacramento area
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were lone women.
320
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The newspaper printed
that he'd never hit a place
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with a man in the house.
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And after that...
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there was a man in the house.
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-MICHELLE:
So he was aware of that?
-LARRY: Yeah.
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MICHELLE:
And-- and that would go
to the game playing part of it?
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-LARRY: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
-MICHELLE: Mm-hmm.
327
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Absolutely, he was watching
the media with everything.
328
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And as soon as the newspaper
would say, "This didn't happen,"
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it would happen.
330
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Everything became
a challenge to him.
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KRIS PEDRETTI:
I didn't have a lot of exposure
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to what was happening, um...
333
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I didn't see the newspaper.
334
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I don't remember hearing it
on the news.
335
00:16:07,315 --> 00:16:09,435
In the weeks
leading up to the attack,
336
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we had...
337
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hang-up calls.
338
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Uh, I believe three, four a day.
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We would have them.
340
00:16:17,023 --> 00:16:18,193
Um...
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but it didn't...
342
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it didn't register to me.
I was 15.
343
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Maybe it was a boy
that liked me.
344
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You know, I didn't...
345
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I really didn't have any...
346
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I'll say it this way.
347
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I didn't have
any reason to be fearful
348
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because I lived in a safe world.
349
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MALE REPORTER 2:
Residents of the East Area
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are locking themselves
inside their houses
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as never before.
352
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Locks have sold so quickly
in the community,
353
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stores have had trouble
keeping up with the demand.
354
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LINDA O'DELL:
I wasn't scared at the time.
355
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I didn't know about
a lot of it going on.
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I wasn't reading the paper.
357
00:16:59,273 --> 00:17:01,323
Um, yes, it was in the news.
358
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The one indication we got was...
359
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my husband and I came home,
360
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and the kids
in the neighborhood
361
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come running up to us
and they said,
362
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"We're playing this game
and I was on somebody's back
363
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and we saw a man
run out of your yard."
364
00:17:15,148 --> 00:17:16,478
We were like, "What?"
365
00:17:17,774 --> 00:17:20,694
So we went, we got deadbolts,
where you put the key in
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for the front door
and the garage door.
367
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We put this nail at the top
368
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so you could lock the slider
and it can't go.
369
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And he had cased the place,
370
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he knew to lift the glass up
out of the back window.
371
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(CRICKETS CHIRPING)
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LINDA: It was a Friday night,
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it was probably after 1:00,
closer to 2:00.
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♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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Door opens, flashlight.
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Mumbling.
377
00:17:56,774 --> 00:17:58,524
Uh, "I have a gun."
378
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And I'm still thinking...
379
00:18:00,649 --> 00:18:03,319
"Am I dreaming? Am I--
Is this really happening?"
380
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And before I knew it,
he threw some ties at me
381
00:18:10,232 --> 00:18:12,732
and he says,
"Tie your husband up."
382
00:18:12,816 --> 00:18:16,106
And so, he asked him
to flip over onto his stomach
383
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and hogtied him and I did,
and I didn't tie him tight.
384
00:18:20,065 --> 00:18:23,225
And then he tied me
behind my back,
385
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on my stomach,
and my ankles hogtied,
386
00:18:26,357 --> 00:18:28,767
and I remember
turning my jewelry around,
387
00:18:28,857 --> 00:18:31,357
I'm thinkin'
it's gonna be a robbery.
388
00:18:32,941 --> 00:18:37,021
And so, then he re-tied
my husband twice as tight.
389
00:18:37,107 --> 00:18:38,727
And then he leaves the room.
390
00:18:40,190 --> 00:18:41,940
We're kind of whispering
to each other,
391
00:18:42,023 --> 00:18:44,323
we're like, "What's going on?"
392
00:18:44,399 --> 00:18:46,649
He had a ski mask on
the whole time.
393
00:18:48,774 --> 00:18:51,154
He's just walkin' around
the house like he owns it.
394
00:18:51,232 --> 00:18:53,862
I could hear him
open the refrigerator.
395
00:18:53,941 --> 00:18:56,691
He gets a beer,
and he's drinkin' a beer.
396
00:18:58,607 --> 00:19:00,017
He grabbed dishes.
397
00:19:00,107 --> 00:19:02,017
He grabbed plates and bowls
398
00:19:02,107 --> 00:19:04,267
and he put them
on my husband's back.
399
00:19:04,357 --> 00:19:07,187
And he told him
if he heard those bowls moving,
400
00:19:07,273 --> 00:19:09,483
he was gonna cut his ear off.
401
00:19:14,107 --> 00:19:19,147
He put a blindfold over me
and he said, "Follow me."
402
00:19:19,232 --> 00:19:21,232
I'm going down the hallway,
403
00:19:21,315 --> 00:19:23,225
and I remember
staying close to the side,
404
00:19:23,315 --> 00:19:26,065
I'm thinking, "I don't want him
to see my body."
405
00:19:26,148 --> 00:19:29,268
And I went, "Oh, my God,
I'm gonna be raped."
406
00:19:32,816 --> 00:19:34,856
He took me
into the family room,
407
00:19:34,941 --> 00:19:37,441
and he tells me
to lay on the floor.
408
00:19:38,732 --> 00:19:41,822
He goes into the guest bedroom
and he got a towel
409
00:19:41,899 --> 00:19:44,649
and he rips it in half
and he puts it over the TV,
410
00:19:44,732 --> 00:19:47,772
but then he puts the TV on
so that there's light coming in,
411
00:19:47,857 --> 00:19:49,147
but not too much.
412
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♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
413
00:19:55,399 --> 00:19:57,519
As he was raping me,
I had a knife to my throat,
414
00:19:57,607 --> 00:19:59,397
pushed up against my neck.
415
00:19:59,482 --> 00:20:01,982
And I just kept saying,
"Oh, please don't hurt me.
416
00:20:02,065 --> 00:20:03,225
Please don't hurt me."
417
00:20:03,315 --> 00:20:04,515
And I didn't hardly move,
418
00:20:04,607 --> 00:20:07,437
I was like, I'm going to stay
as still as possible.
419
00:20:10,732 --> 00:20:12,732
He was in the house for a while.
420
00:20:12,816 --> 00:20:14,606
He drank another beer.
421
00:20:14,691 --> 00:20:16,521
I-- I could smell that.
422
00:20:16,607 --> 00:20:18,687
He asked
for where my wallet was.
423
00:20:18,774 --> 00:20:21,694
He was going through,
taking things out.
424
00:20:21,774 --> 00:20:24,114
He came back and he says,
"Take off your jewelry,"
425
00:20:24,190 --> 00:20:25,820
and I couldn't get it
off my hand.
426
00:20:25,899 --> 00:20:28,319
And he says,
"I'll cut your finger off,
427
00:20:28,399 --> 00:20:30,189
I don't care.
I want your jewelry."
428
00:20:30,273 --> 00:20:32,943
And so I said, "Get some lotion
or get some soap."
429
00:20:33,023 --> 00:20:35,193
So he went
and got me some lotion,
430
00:20:35,273 --> 00:20:39,983
and I took off my wedding band
and my engagement ring.
431
00:20:40,065 --> 00:20:42,645
And I remember
being cold on the floor.
432
00:20:48,565 --> 00:20:51,185
Finally, it seemed quiet.
433
00:20:51,273 --> 00:20:55,273
So I got up and I'm still tied,
and I go into the bedroom
434
00:20:55,357 --> 00:20:58,477
and I talk to my husband
and I ask him how he's doing
435
00:20:58,565 --> 00:21:00,725
and he's like, "Oh, you've just
got to get help.
436
00:21:00,816 --> 00:21:03,066
I-- I can't feel my hands.
They're totally numb.
437
00:21:03,148 --> 00:21:05,728
I have no circulation."
438
00:21:05,816 --> 00:21:08,726
And I'm thinking, "How do I
get out of this house?"
439
00:21:08,816 --> 00:21:12,106
So I go into the kitchen
and I'm trying to get the...
440
00:21:12,190 --> 00:21:14,440
the restraints off me,
and I'm trying to cut 'em
441
00:21:14,524 --> 00:21:16,274
and I'm trying to saw 'em,
and it--
442
00:21:16,357 --> 00:21:17,897
and I-- and I'm also thinking,
443
00:21:17,982 --> 00:21:20,232
"Oh, God, is he gonna come back
in the house?
444
00:21:20,315 --> 00:21:22,645
Is he really gone
or is he hiding?"
445
00:21:22,732 --> 00:21:27,022
So, all of a sudden,
the family room drapes moved.
446
00:21:28,273 --> 00:21:29,863
A breeze came in.
447
00:21:30,524 --> 00:21:32,444
So I ran over
448
00:21:32,524 --> 00:21:35,524
and I put my shoulder
and I moved the sliding door.
449
00:21:35,607 --> 00:21:39,687
And I went along the concrete
up to the front gate,
450
00:21:40,649 --> 00:21:41,819
I moved the gate.
451
00:21:41,899 --> 00:21:44,069
I'm totally naked
from the waist down.
452
00:21:44,148 --> 00:21:46,148
I-- Just my breasts
are being covered.
453
00:21:46,232 --> 00:21:47,862
And I went
to a neighbor's house.
454
00:21:47,941 --> 00:21:50,651
(DOG BARKING)
455
00:21:50,732 --> 00:21:52,572
And I ring the doorbell.
456
00:21:55,857 --> 00:21:58,107
They're looking at me
and the husband comes down
457
00:21:58,190 --> 00:22:00,360
and he sees
that I'm, you know, naked,
458
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,610
and he grabs his wife's jacket,
puts it on me,
459
00:22:03,691 --> 00:22:05,401
and I said,
"I've just been raped.
460
00:22:05,482 --> 00:22:07,022
And my husband's tied up."
461
00:22:09,065 --> 00:22:10,145
He got a gun,
462
00:22:10,232 --> 00:22:12,572
he told his wife
to call the police,
463
00:22:12,649 --> 00:22:13,939
"Stay here."
464
00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:17,730
And then I waited
for the police to come.
465
00:22:17,816 --> 00:22:21,646
And they came,
they took me back to the house.
466
00:22:21,732 --> 00:22:24,072
Carol Daly
was a female detective
467
00:22:24,148 --> 00:22:27,438
who I was so grateful
that she was there at that time.
468
00:22:27,524 --> 00:22:29,154
Everybody else was men,
469
00:22:29,232 --> 00:22:30,982
and she was the only woman
in the group.
470
00:22:31,065 --> 00:22:33,105
And that was--
that was a nice feeling.
471
00:22:33,190 --> 00:22:34,820
We have information that he...
472
00:22:34,899 --> 00:22:36,769
LINDA:
She got me to the hospital.
473
00:22:36,857 --> 00:22:38,647
And she said,
"You're okay, honey."
474
00:22:38,732 --> 00:22:40,272
She said,
"I think you're in shock."
475
00:22:40,357 --> 00:22:41,977
So she's kind of, like,
being a mother to me.
476
00:22:42,065 --> 00:22:44,105
She says,
"You take as much time,"
477
00:22:44,190 --> 00:22:47,360
and we talked about it.
Went back home.
478
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,520
Basically, I went in
and I said to my husband,
479
00:22:49,607 --> 00:22:50,897
"Do you wanna--
do you wanna hear--
480
00:22:50,982 --> 00:22:53,362
know what happened?"
He goes, "I know what happened."
481
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,230
And he said, "I don't want
to talk about it."
482
00:22:55,315 --> 00:22:57,265
He said,
"I got rid of your pajamas
483
00:22:57,357 --> 00:22:59,517
and you don't have
to see those anymore."
484
00:22:59,607 --> 00:23:00,937
And I said, "Okay."
485
00:23:02,273 --> 00:23:05,403
I don't think a lot of men knew
how to deal with it,
486
00:23:05,482 --> 00:23:07,272
to be honest.
487
00:23:07,357 --> 00:23:09,517
I don't think-- I don't--
488
00:23:09,607 --> 00:23:12,647
I know that he cared
and he felt terrible,
489
00:23:12,732 --> 00:23:15,862
but I don't think he wanted
to relive it either.
490
00:23:15,941 --> 00:23:17,901
He's basically,
"We don't talk about it.
491
00:23:17,982 --> 00:23:19,442
It's gone away."
492
00:23:21,315 --> 00:23:24,225
MICHELLE: I think
this kind of crime was just...
493
00:23:24,315 --> 00:23:26,105
very ripe for the '70s
494
00:23:26,190 --> 00:23:28,900
because there's, um...
495
00:23:28,982 --> 00:23:30,902
How many people
did not call the police
496
00:23:30,982 --> 00:23:32,822
who saw something suspicious
is crazy.
497
00:23:32,899 --> 00:23:34,899
And that would not
happen today.
498
00:23:34,982 --> 00:23:36,732
Had you had anybody--
499
00:23:36,816 --> 00:23:38,566
any neighbors mention
anybody weird
500
00:23:38,649 --> 00:23:40,229
around the neighborhood
or anything like that?
501
00:23:40,315 --> 00:23:42,265
-Do you remember?
-FIONA WILLIAMS: No.
502
00:23:42,357 --> 00:23:44,397
We were very aware of it.
503
00:23:44,482 --> 00:23:47,482
But it was in East Sacramento.
504
00:23:47,565 --> 00:23:51,765
So we were sympathetic to--
but not alarmed
505
00:23:51,857 --> 00:23:54,437
because we're not
his side of town.
506
00:23:54,524 --> 00:23:57,694
You know he picked us partly
for the location of the house.
507
00:23:57,774 --> 00:23:59,984
-MICHELLE: Mm-hmm.
-FIONA: Right by the freeway,
508
00:24:00,065 --> 00:24:02,605
-empty lot behind us.
-MICHELLE: Empty field, right.
509
00:24:02,691 --> 00:24:03,821
FIONA: All of that.
510
00:24:03,899 --> 00:24:08,069
And of course, they asked us
about strange cars...
511
00:24:08,148 --> 00:24:10,568
MICHELLE: I mean, so when--
when-- Did you have--
512
00:24:10,649 --> 00:24:13,479
did you feel in your heart
when this is happening
513
00:24:13,565 --> 00:24:14,815
this was a stranger?
514
00:24:14,899 --> 00:24:17,189
That this was not someone
that you knew?
515
00:24:17,273 --> 00:24:19,073
-FIONA: Oh, yeah.
-MICHELLE: You did?
516
00:24:19,148 --> 00:24:20,938
You thought,
"This is the East Area Rapist."
517
00:24:21,023 --> 00:24:22,733
-FIONA: Which makes me-- Yeah.
-MICHELLE: Yeah.
518
00:24:24,065 --> 00:24:26,265
I knew it was the guy then.
519
00:24:26,357 --> 00:24:30,187
I mean, by that time,
this was attack 22.
520
00:24:33,649 --> 00:24:36,609
My husband and I,
we were in our bedroom.
521
00:24:36,691 --> 00:24:39,611
We were starting
to fool around,
522
00:24:39,691 --> 00:24:42,821
-we hear a scratching.
-MICHELLE: Right.
523
00:24:44,565 --> 00:24:47,815
The EAR was a man of few words,
524
00:24:47,899 --> 00:24:51,979
and mostly the same,
as I would come to read,
525
00:24:52,065 --> 00:24:53,265
over time.
526
00:24:53,357 --> 00:24:55,567
He did indeed have a script.
527
00:24:56,857 --> 00:25:01,567
What he said to us
and mostly routinely was,
528
00:25:01,649 --> 00:25:04,939
"I just want money and food,
and then I'll be gone."
529
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:15,520
My son was three years old.
530
00:25:15,607 --> 00:25:21,267
He woke up as I was being
blindfold-led down the hall.
531
00:25:22,941 --> 00:25:26,271
EAR told him
to get back in his room.
532
00:25:29,941 --> 00:25:33,611
When he took me into
the living room for the assault,
533
00:25:33,691 --> 00:25:35,901
I remember saying to him,
534
00:25:35,982 --> 00:25:38,022
"Why are you doing this?"
535
00:25:38,107 --> 00:25:39,977
And he said, "Shut up."
536
00:25:40,065 --> 00:25:43,515
And I said, "I'm sorry."
(LAUGHS)
537
00:25:43,607 --> 00:25:45,437
This is...
538
00:25:45,524 --> 00:25:48,524
This is how women were
in the '70s and the olden times.
539
00:25:48,607 --> 00:25:51,517
I said, "I'm sorry."
And he said, "Shut up," again.
540
00:25:51,607 --> 00:25:54,607
And that was the longest
conversation I had with him,
541
00:25:54,691 --> 00:25:59,651
except at the end when he
gave me the instructions about
542
00:25:59,732 --> 00:26:03,482
you know, tell the pigs
I have television.
543
00:26:03,565 --> 00:26:05,605
MICHELLE: Wow. God.
544
00:26:07,982 --> 00:26:10,732
He didn't want it to be on TV
545
00:26:10,816 --> 00:26:13,816
and if it was on TV,
he'd kill two people,
546
00:26:13,899 --> 00:26:16,399
but then I believe
he told my husband
547
00:26:16,482 --> 00:26:18,022
it had to be on TV.
548
00:26:18,107 --> 00:26:24,067
He was constantly playing
these silly games with people.
549
00:26:24,148 --> 00:26:29,688
He had told the victims
of the attack just before us
550
00:26:29,774 --> 00:26:32,404
that he was going to kill
the next two people,
551
00:26:32,482 --> 00:26:34,652
which would have been us.
552
00:26:37,816 --> 00:26:40,896
Sometime after the attack,
my husband managed
553
00:26:40,982 --> 00:26:43,822
to get our phone
re-connected in the bedroom,
554
00:26:43,899 --> 00:26:46,519
that was on the nightstand,
and he called--
555
00:26:46,607 --> 00:26:48,647
in those days,
you still called the operator.
556
00:26:49,273 --> 00:26:51,733
(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
557
00:26:53,482 --> 00:26:57,572
Of course,
uniformed officers came first.
558
00:26:57,649 --> 00:26:59,319
When I could see again,
559
00:26:59,399 --> 00:27:02,439
when the uniformed officer
took off...
560
00:27:02,524 --> 00:27:06,114
one of the first things I saw
was that on my formal couch,
561
00:27:06,190 --> 00:27:10,690
the EAR had laid out
three or four of my dresses.
562
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,110
And I do mean laid out.
563
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:15,820
Not vandalized or thrown about.
564
00:27:15,899 --> 00:27:17,609
They were just laying there.
565
00:27:17,691 --> 00:27:21,231
And I remember very vividly
because I was so surprised,
566
00:27:21,315 --> 00:27:23,855
I was not expecting
to see that.
567
00:27:25,524 --> 00:27:26,944
I said to the officer,
568
00:27:27,023 --> 00:27:30,233
"The East Area Rapist
is now the South Area Rapist."
569
00:27:33,941 --> 00:27:35,981
CAROL THORPE:
The worst thing is not knowing.
570
00:27:36,065 --> 00:27:38,725
Not knowing when the rapist
will strike again.
571
00:27:38,816 --> 00:27:41,186
Not knowing
if you'll be his next victim.
572
00:27:41,273 --> 00:27:44,113
All you can do is take
every possible precaution
573
00:27:44,190 --> 00:27:46,190
and then hope
that he gets caught
574
00:27:46,273 --> 00:27:47,653
before he gets to you.
575
00:27:47,732 --> 00:27:50,982
I'm sleeping with my husband's
hunting knife under the pillow.
576
00:27:51,065 --> 00:27:53,185
We don't go to sleep
very well at night.
577
00:27:53,273 --> 00:27:54,773
We go around
and lock everything up
578
00:27:54,857 --> 00:27:56,317
as tightly as we can.
579
00:27:56,399 --> 00:27:58,689
As of tonight,
the East Area Rapist
580
00:27:58,774 --> 00:28:01,324
has struck on the average
once every two weeks,
581
00:28:01,399 --> 00:28:03,819
sometimes every two days,
sometimes a week apart,
582
00:28:03,899 --> 00:28:05,819
sometimes three
or four weeks apart.
583
00:28:05,899 --> 00:28:08,069
Everybody in Sacramento
was terrified.
584
00:28:08,148 --> 00:28:10,478
MALE REPORTER 2: Each night,
they patrol the neighborhoods
585
00:28:10,565 --> 00:28:12,815
of Sacramento County's
east side,
586
00:28:12,899 --> 00:28:16,609
and hundreds of other volunteers
reportedly are doing the same.
587
00:28:16,691 --> 00:28:19,361
They call themselves
the EARS Patrol.
588
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,610
"EARS," short for East Area
Rapist Surveillance.
589
00:28:22,691 --> 00:28:24,611
THORPE: People complain
that after all this time,
590
00:28:24,691 --> 00:28:27,361
the police should've been able
to catch the East Area Rapist.
591
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:28,480
I think that the reason
592
00:28:28,565 --> 00:28:30,185
there hasn't been
something done about it
593
00:28:30,273 --> 00:28:32,403
is because
it's a crime against women.
594
00:28:32,482 --> 00:28:36,612
We had officers
off duty on their own time
595
00:28:36,691 --> 00:28:38,861
going out
and working the streets.
596
00:28:38,941 --> 00:28:42,231
It's the first time
the so-called East Area Rapist
has struck here
597
00:28:42,315 --> 00:28:44,725
in the Foothill Farms area
of Sacramento.
598
00:28:44,816 --> 00:28:48,226
-One in Stockton. The total: 25.
-(ALARM BLARING)
599
00:28:48,315 --> 00:28:50,435
MALE REPORTER 3:
Local burglar alarm distributors
600
00:28:50,524 --> 00:28:52,404
report a run on alarm systems.
601
00:28:52,482 --> 00:28:54,322
I don't like it.
It's getting too close to home.
602
00:28:54,399 --> 00:28:56,519
We were giving
safety classes for women,
603
00:28:56,607 --> 00:28:58,397
how to protect themselves,
what to look for.
604
00:28:58,482 --> 00:29:00,402
CHET HANCOCK:
It was about 10:00 last night
605
00:29:00,482 --> 00:29:02,362
when the rapist
kicked in the door.
606
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:03,690
She becomes the eighth teenager
607
00:29:03,774 --> 00:29:05,864
on the list
of some 33 victims.
608
00:29:05,941 --> 00:29:08,191
The 39th attack
of the East Area Rapist
609
00:29:08,273 --> 00:29:10,943
took place in this very nice
middle-class neighborhood.
610
00:29:11,023 --> 00:29:12,903
MELANIE: There were days
where I didn't go to sleep
611
00:29:12,982 --> 00:29:14,232
until the sun rose.
612
00:29:14,315 --> 00:29:16,565
We had tambourines
on the windows and doors
613
00:29:16,649 --> 00:29:18,729
so we could hear people enter.
614
00:29:18,816 --> 00:29:20,726
Ideally speaking,
the potential victim
615
00:29:20,816 --> 00:29:24,226
is supposed to ward off
her attacker with this device.
616
00:29:24,315 --> 00:29:28,185
It just was an insane time
in Sacramento.
617
00:29:28,273 --> 00:29:29,573
The attacks, two of them,
618
00:29:29,649 --> 00:29:31,859
one last Saturday,
and then again early today,
619
00:29:31,941 --> 00:29:33,571
occurred within a few blocks
of each other
620
00:29:33,649 --> 00:29:35,149
in the Ignacio Valley area
of Concord.
621
00:29:35,232 --> 00:29:37,232
-(OVERLAPPING CHATTER)
-REPORTER 1:
...happening in Fremont...
622
00:29:37,315 --> 00:29:39,145
-REPORTER 2: ...in Modesto...
-REPORTER 3: ...her home
in Contra Costa County.
623
00:29:39,232 --> 00:29:41,442
FEMALE REPORTER:
The only thing we really know
about the East Area Rapist
624
00:29:41,524 --> 00:29:42,774
is that he's a pro.
625
00:29:42,857 --> 00:29:45,267
He's been at this
for four years now
626
00:29:45,357 --> 00:29:48,727
and still nobody even knows
what he looks like.
627
00:29:57,273 --> 00:29:58,523
MICHELLE: Alice?
628
00:30:01,691 --> 00:30:04,191
Alice, will you do
an imitation of Daddy?
629
00:30:09,023 --> 00:30:11,073
I have a nightly ritual
with Alice,
630
00:30:11,148 --> 00:30:13,568
who is a troubled sleeper.
631
00:30:13,649 --> 00:30:15,819
(COMPUTER KEYS CLACKING)
632
00:30:17,023 --> 00:30:19,323
Every night
before falling asleep,
633
00:30:19,399 --> 00:30:21,819
she'll call out for me
to come into her bedroom.
634
00:30:21,899 --> 00:30:24,689
"I don't want to have a dream,"
she says.
635
00:30:24,774 --> 00:30:28,574
I brush her sandy hair back
and put my hand on her forehead,
636
00:30:28,649 --> 00:30:31,729
and look straight
into her big brown eyes.
637
00:30:31,816 --> 00:30:34,106
"You are not going
to have a dream,"
638
00:30:34,190 --> 00:30:37,610
I tell her with crisp,
confident enunciation.
639
00:30:37,691 --> 00:30:41,571
Her body releases its tension,
and she goes to sleep.
640
00:30:42,315 --> 00:30:44,765
(READS)
641
00:30:49,399 --> 00:30:52,609
We make well-intentioned
promises of protection
642
00:30:52,691 --> 00:30:53,981
we can't always keep.
643
00:30:54,065 --> 00:30:56,855
-"I'll look out for you."
-WOMAN 1: (SCREAMING) No!
644
00:30:56,941 --> 00:30:58,611
MICHELLE:
But then you hear a scream,
645
00:30:58,691 --> 00:31:01,361
and you decide it's
some teenagers playing around.
646
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,110
A young man jumping a fence
is taking a shortcut.
647
00:31:04,190 --> 00:31:06,520
-(GUNSHOT ECHOES)
-The gunshot at 3:00 a.m.
648
00:31:06,607 --> 00:31:09,567
is a firecracker
or a car backfiring.
649
00:31:09,649 --> 00:31:12,189
You sit up in bed
for a startled moment.
650
00:31:12,273 --> 00:31:15,073
Awaiting you
is the cold hard floor
651
00:31:15,148 --> 00:31:18,018
and a conversation
that may lead nowhere.
652
00:31:18,107 --> 00:31:20,857
You collapse
onto your warm pillow
653
00:31:20,941 --> 00:31:22,771
and turn back to sleep.
654
00:31:23,565 --> 00:31:25,605
Sirens wake you later.
655
00:31:32,649 --> 00:31:34,019
We always joke that...
656
00:31:34,107 --> 00:31:37,437
-we must've both been blind.
-We're still blind. (CHUCKLES)
657
00:31:37,524 --> 00:31:39,824
'Cause we've been together
40 plus years.
658
00:31:39,899 --> 00:31:41,859
GAY HARDWICK:
It was a blind date.
659
00:31:41,941 --> 00:31:44,521
And then, uh, just...
660
00:31:44,607 --> 00:31:47,317
After that, we were
pretty inseparable, huh?
661
00:31:47,399 --> 00:31:48,439
Yeah.
662
00:31:48,816 --> 00:31:50,606
Yeah.
663
00:31:50,691 --> 00:31:55,321
We purchased, uh,
a house together in Stockton.
664
00:31:56,565 --> 00:31:58,895
That was--
that was the bad house though.
665
00:31:58,982 --> 00:32:01,112
GAY: Yeah, I cried
the day we bought that house,
666
00:32:01,190 --> 00:32:04,610
and I think that was
foretelling, actually.
667
00:32:04,691 --> 00:32:07,571
Anyway, we could have
stayed there very happily.
668
00:32:07,649 --> 00:32:09,899
It was in a cute
little neighborhood,
669
00:32:09,982 --> 00:32:13,572
um, the house was big enough
to have a small family,
670
00:32:13,649 --> 00:32:16,439
but as, you know,
things would work out,
671
00:32:16,524 --> 00:32:18,114
we couldn't stay there.
672
00:32:20,816 --> 00:32:24,856
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
673
00:32:29,148 --> 00:32:33,688
GAY: We were awakened by a voice
and a bright light.
674
00:32:35,691 --> 00:32:40,731
That's pretty typical of--
of what happened,
675
00:32:40,816 --> 00:32:43,186
and that's what happened
to us as well.
676
00:32:44,857 --> 00:32:49,187
It was a real sense of...
of evil in the house.
677
00:32:51,857 --> 00:32:52,937
I sensed...
678
00:32:53,023 --> 00:32:56,523
every hair follicle on my being
679
00:32:56,607 --> 00:32:58,017
stand up...
680
00:33:00,899 --> 00:33:05,149
and I understood what it meant
to have your skin crawl.
681
00:33:05,232 --> 00:33:09,272
♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
682
00:33:09,357 --> 00:33:11,817
The more uncomfortable
he could make me feel,
683
00:33:11,899 --> 00:33:14,069
seemed to be the happier he was.
684
00:33:16,899 --> 00:33:19,109
And he said I was beautiful,
685
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:21,520
bound and blindfolded and...
686
00:33:22,482 --> 00:33:23,572
shaking.
687
00:33:24,649 --> 00:33:26,899
At times, I couldn't tell
if he was crying
688
00:33:27,524 --> 00:33:29,984
or if he was giggling
689
00:33:30,065 --> 00:33:33,395
like someone
who's hysterical might be.
690
00:33:36,774 --> 00:33:38,524
He would get silent
691
00:33:39,691 --> 00:33:41,571
and I would hope,
692
00:33:42,357 --> 00:33:43,857
"Okay, maybe he's gone."
693
00:33:45,732 --> 00:33:48,612
And... then I'd hear him again.
694
00:33:49,816 --> 00:33:51,316
I had no concept of time.
695
00:33:51,399 --> 00:33:55,979
It just seemed like I was in bed
bound for an eternity.
696
00:33:56,065 --> 00:33:59,355
I had no idea if it was
two hours or ten hours.
697
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,860
It went on for a couple hours
of coming and going,
698
00:34:02,941 --> 00:34:04,521
and, you know, coming back
699
00:34:04,607 --> 00:34:07,437
and, you know,
torturing me some more.
700
00:34:10,023 --> 00:34:12,943
Eventually,
after about 40 minutes
701
00:34:13,023 --> 00:34:14,943
of not hearing anything,
702
00:34:17,941 --> 00:34:18,981
he was gone.
703
00:34:23,232 --> 00:34:25,692
And then it was, well,
this, you know,
704
00:34:25,774 --> 00:34:27,444
this is not over yet.
705
00:34:28,315 --> 00:34:29,895
And...
706
00:34:29,982 --> 00:34:32,112
that started phase two...
(CHUCKLES)
707
00:34:32,190 --> 00:34:36,020
...of, you know,
what goes on after an attack.
708
00:34:37,816 --> 00:34:40,856
♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
709
00:34:44,857 --> 00:34:46,017
(CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS)
710
00:34:46,107 --> 00:34:49,517
GAY: There you are, um...
711
00:34:50,774 --> 00:34:54,024
bound, incapacitated,
712
00:34:55,148 --> 00:34:56,568
in shock.
713
00:34:56,649 --> 00:34:58,229
(CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS)
714
00:34:58,315 --> 00:35:02,475
And now there are four more men
in the room that you don't know.
715
00:35:03,899 --> 00:35:06,229
To have somebody else
sit down next to you
716
00:35:06,315 --> 00:35:08,855
while you're still unclothed
717
00:35:08,941 --> 00:35:11,901
and, you know,
take out a knife and...
718
00:35:12,732 --> 00:35:14,942
have to cut the bindings off
719
00:35:15,023 --> 00:35:18,573
was, um... scary, too.
720
00:35:18,649 --> 00:35:20,019
It was scary, too.
721
00:35:21,691 --> 00:35:24,191
We were very quickly inundated
722
00:35:24,273 --> 00:35:27,943
with, uh,
crime scene investigators
723
00:35:28,023 --> 00:35:31,073
and more police officers
724
00:35:31,148 --> 00:35:34,898
and, uh,
fingerprint technicians.
725
00:35:36,107 --> 00:35:39,687
We were just, um, a piece
of evidence in our own home.
726
00:35:41,107 --> 00:35:45,267
I wasn't allowed to,
uh, use the restroom.
727
00:35:45,357 --> 00:35:49,017
And... I remember getting up
to reach for my robe
728
00:35:49,107 --> 00:35:53,147
and being, you know, stopped--
"What are you doing?" you know,
729
00:35:53,232 --> 00:35:55,482
"Where do you think-- where
do you think you're going?"
730
00:35:55,565 --> 00:35:58,725
(LAUGHS) And it's, like,
I just want to cover up myself.
731
00:35:59,565 --> 00:36:00,895
As time went on,
732
00:36:00,982 --> 00:36:03,272
they didn't have anyone
to take me to the hospital.
733
00:36:03,357 --> 00:36:05,477
I think the protocol was
that they would have
734
00:36:05,565 --> 00:36:07,935
a female officer,
but they didn't have any.
735
00:36:08,023 --> 00:36:10,483
I blocked all that out
years ago.
736
00:36:10,565 --> 00:36:14,105
I don't remember it like her,
but...
737
00:36:14,190 --> 00:36:17,020
my defense mechanisms
are block everything out.
738
00:36:18,232 --> 00:36:19,982
(CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS)
739
00:36:20,065 --> 00:36:24,315
GAY: That whole aftermath
goes on and...
740
00:36:24,399 --> 00:36:26,939
you end up in a county hospital
741
00:36:27,023 --> 00:36:31,233
where, again,
you have to meet with strangers
742
00:36:31,315 --> 00:36:35,855
who are going to examine
and probe and, you know,
743
00:36:35,941 --> 00:36:38,821
you just really would like
to be alone.
744
00:36:38,899 --> 00:36:43,109
You'd really like to take charge
of your being again,
745
00:36:43,941 --> 00:36:45,231
but you can't.
746
00:36:46,649 --> 00:36:50,439
And you know
that you really mustn't
747
00:36:50,524 --> 00:36:54,984
if you want the person
to be caught.
748
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,610
Daylight finally came
749
00:36:59,691 --> 00:37:02,271
about the time
I was taken back to the house.
750
00:37:04,607 --> 00:37:06,437
And they were wrapping up there.
751
00:37:08,232 --> 00:37:09,442
Our house was...
752
00:37:10,565 --> 00:37:12,475
-BOB HARDWICK: A wreck. (LAUGHS)
-GAY: ...a wreck.
753
00:37:13,941 --> 00:37:17,021
We had just had it
painted that week.
754
00:37:17,107 --> 00:37:19,147
All of the newly
enameled woodwork
755
00:37:19,232 --> 00:37:23,022
was covered with graphite
fingerprinting material.
756
00:37:26,148 --> 00:37:29,478
It looked a lot like
a smoke bomb had gone off.
757
00:37:33,023 --> 00:37:34,443
Uh, it was-- it was just--
758
00:37:34,524 --> 00:37:37,364
Everything felt
contaminated in that house.
759
00:37:38,482 --> 00:37:40,322
And it never felt the same.
760
00:37:50,273 --> 00:37:53,983
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
761
00:37:55,565 --> 00:37:58,225
Right as we get up here,
you can look over to the right
762
00:37:58,315 --> 00:38:00,065
and you'll see
the American River.
763
00:38:00,148 --> 00:38:02,268
-This was a main thoroughfare
at the time.
-MICHELLE: Mm-hmm.
764
00:38:02,357 --> 00:38:03,767
MELANIE: And I'll take you
to number two.
765
00:38:03,857 --> 00:38:05,607
MICHELLE: But this is where
people run and do biking?
766
00:38:05,691 --> 00:38:07,731
MELANIE: This is where--
the bicycle trails and all that,
767
00:38:07,816 --> 00:38:10,106
this green belt would be
where he was going
768
00:38:10,190 --> 00:38:11,770
from one point to one point.
769
00:38:11,857 --> 00:38:13,607
We often thought
he could've had a boat
770
00:38:13,691 --> 00:38:15,401
-that he was taking to and from.
-MICHELLE: Mm-hmm.
771
00:38:15,482 --> 00:38:17,232
What I'm struck by
in Rancho Cordova is
772
00:38:17,315 --> 00:38:20,475
I would think that he had to do
so much surveillance.
773
00:38:20,565 --> 00:38:22,565
-MELANIE: He did a lot.
-MICHELLE: But-- But it-- you--
774
00:38:22,649 --> 00:38:24,229
MELANIE:
He fit in, obviously.
775
00:38:24,315 --> 00:38:25,475
MICHELLE: Yeah.
776
00:38:27,691 --> 00:38:29,441
MELANIE: I really feel
this area was chosen
777
00:38:29,524 --> 00:38:31,274
because he was
comfortable in here
778
00:38:31,357 --> 00:38:34,767
and he, you know,
knew the area well enough
779
00:38:34,857 --> 00:38:37,607
to get in and out
as quickly as possible.
780
00:38:37,691 --> 00:38:40,731
Right around the corner,
there is river access.
781
00:38:43,232 --> 00:38:46,822
Back in the '70s,
the fog was way heavier
782
00:38:46,899 --> 00:38:49,189
than it is now
and it was so thick
783
00:38:49,273 --> 00:38:51,613
that you couldn't see feet
in front of you.
784
00:38:52,774 --> 00:38:55,404
The way he disappeared
so quickly
785
00:38:55,482 --> 00:38:59,362
with nobody
having the ability to track him.
786
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,900
Fog was a benefit
to his escape as well.
787
00:39:10,649 --> 00:39:12,399
And it's a great place to stalk
788
00:39:12,482 --> 00:39:15,192
because you have access
to all of the backyards
789
00:39:15,273 --> 00:39:17,983
where you could just walk
right up to the fence
790
00:39:18,065 --> 00:39:19,435
and look over it like this
791
00:39:19,524 --> 00:39:22,904
and you can see everything
that's going on in that house.
792
00:39:22,982 --> 00:39:26,772
A lot of these houses didn't
have back fences at the time.
793
00:39:26,857 --> 00:39:29,817
You could be standing out
in these bushes and be watching
794
00:39:29,899 --> 00:39:34,069
everything that's going on
inside of people's homes.
795
00:39:34,148 --> 00:39:37,608
And in the evening, nobody's
gonna notice you out here.
796
00:39:37,691 --> 00:39:40,111
Like, you know, back in the day,
797
00:39:40,190 --> 00:39:41,360
nobody would even think about
798
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:45,190
somebody being prowling around
behind the scenes.
799
00:39:45,273 --> 00:39:51,023
I feel like he was in this area
for great amounts of time.
800
00:39:51,107 --> 00:39:53,687
And probably knew
all the young females
801
00:39:53,774 --> 00:39:55,574
that resided in each house.
802
00:39:56,565 --> 00:39:58,935
It makes you just, uh...
803
00:40:00,941 --> 00:40:06,071
This is the type of thing
you have to, um, uh...
804
00:40:06,148 --> 00:40:08,728
really, you know,
take care of yourself
805
00:40:08,816 --> 00:40:11,266
-or you'll-- It'll consume you.
-MICHELLE: Right.
806
00:40:11,357 --> 00:40:14,107
MELANIE: 'Cause this is a really
dark place to go.
807
00:40:16,357 --> 00:40:18,977
This can be very dark.
808
00:40:19,065 --> 00:40:22,685
♪ (EERIE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
809
00:40:47,691 --> 00:40:48,981
(GLASS BREAKS)
810
00:40:50,732 --> 00:40:53,982
♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
811
00:40:55,691 --> 00:40:59,111
MICHELLE: (READS)
812
00:40:59,190 --> 00:41:01,820
When my husband,
trying not to awaken me,
813
00:41:01,899 --> 00:41:03,939
tiptoed into our bedroom
one night,
814
00:41:04,023 --> 00:41:05,273
I leaped out of bed,
815
00:41:05,357 --> 00:41:09,357
grabbed my nightstand lamp,
and swung it at his head.
816
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,360
Luckily, I missed.
817
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:12,860
When I saw the lamp overturned
818
00:41:12,941 --> 00:41:14,861
on the bedroom floor
in the morning,
819
00:41:14,941 --> 00:41:17,941
I remember what I'd done
and winced.
820
00:41:18,023 --> 00:41:20,573
Then, I resumed
my Talmudic study
821
00:41:20,649 --> 00:41:23,069
of the East Area Rapist.
822
00:41:23,148 --> 00:41:25,568
She would have very,
very vivid dreams.
823
00:41:25,649 --> 00:41:27,819
So when she would--
When I would wake her up,
824
00:41:27,899 --> 00:41:29,399
she'd be still half
in the dream.
825
00:41:29,482 --> 00:41:32,152
Be like, "Oh, God,
please, please."
826
00:41:32,232 --> 00:41:34,822
One time, she ran out
of the back of the house,
827
00:41:34,899 --> 00:41:36,979
trying to get out
of the house, and I'm like,
828
00:41:37,065 --> 00:41:39,565
"You are g-- what is--
you're gonna end up--
829
00:41:39,649 --> 00:41:41,819
you're gonna run into the pool
or something like that,
830
00:41:41,899 --> 00:41:44,149
or what are you do--"
You know. It was just this--
831
00:41:44,232 --> 00:41:46,692
But again, a very, very vivid,
832
00:41:46,774 --> 00:41:49,524
very, very present mind,
and that was one of the--
833
00:41:49,607 --> 00:41:52,767
I guess, one of the--
the costs of it. I don't know.
834
00:41:52,857 --> 00:41:54,107
(SHUDDERS)
835
00:41:58,399 --> 00:42:01,519
(SIGHS) This idea
of the DIY detective,
836
00:42:01,607 --> 00:42:03,397
or these kind of
digital sleuths,
837
00:42:03,482 --> 00:42:07,362
are essentially amateur
obsessives
838
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,070
who congregate online.
839
00:42:10,148 --> 00:42:13,568
And there are anywhere
from tens to hundreds
840
00:42:13,649 --> 00:42:15,019
to thousands of people
841
00:42:15,107 --> 00:42:17,687
who are essentially operating
as this hive mind.
842
00:42:17,774 --> 00:42:19,404
MICHELLE: (OVER PHONE)
Hey, Paul, it's Michelle.
843
00:42:19,482 --> 00:42:22,322
If you have time, I have
a little research question
844
00:42:22,399 --> 00:42:26,189
that I would love answered,
which is the following...
845
00:42:26,273 --> 00:42:29,523
NANCY: Michelle met Paul Haynes
on this message board
846
00:42:29,607 --> 00:42:32,477
and he came on to really help
with the research
847
00:42:32,565 --> 00:42:34,105
for the magazine article.
848
00:42:37,107 --> 00:42:39,397
Paul and Michelle
were this perfect kind of team
849
00:42:39,482 --> 00:42:44,112
because she's like the lyrics
and he's the tempo.
850
00:42:44,190 --> 00:42:47,110
He did incredible data mining.
851
00:42:48,982 --> 00:42:50,272
Something that was
really important
852
00:42:50,357 --> 00:42:52,897
to Los Angeles Magazine,
to me as an editor, to Michelle,
853
00:42:52,982 --> 00:42:54,402
and to anyone
who's been tracking this case,
854
00:42:54,482 --> 00:42:56,612
is making sure that you got
your facts straight.
855
00:42:56,691 --> 00:42:58,481
And we relied on Paul a lot.
856
00:42:58,565 --> 00:43:00,105
He would just go laser deep.
857
00:43:00,190 --> 00:43:01,570
And what Michelle could do
858
00:43:01,649 --> 00:43:04,479
was spin these stories
in a really beautiful way.
859
00:43:04,565 --> 00:43:06,765
(CAR HORN HONKS)
860
00:43:06,857 --> 00:43:08,397
PAUL HAYNES:
Just let me in. Jesus.
861
00:43:08,482 --> 00:43:09,482
What's the big deal?
862
00:43:09,565 --> 00:43:12,105
I just have no patience
for stop and go traffic.
863
00:43:13,273 --> 00:43:15,233
Moving to LA was a big move
for me
864
00:43:15,315 --> 00:43:17,475
after having spent
the better part of a decade
865
00:43:17,565 --> 00:43:18,855
in Florida.
866
00:43:18,941 --> 00:43:23,151
But when Michelle invited me
to be her research collaborator,
867
00:43:23,232 --> 00:43:24,732
it was a very
exciting opportunity
868
00:43:24,816 --> 00:43:26,896
to be directly involved
with this case
869
00:43:26,982 --> 00:43:28,772
and have my interest,
870
00:43:28,857 --> 00:43:31,817
which previously
I'd been ashamed of
871
00:43:31,899 --> 00:43:35,149
and felt was impractical
and odd, legitimized.
872
00:43:36,649 --> 00:43:38,109
I moved here in November,
873
00:43:38,190 --> 00:43:41,440
and she invited me to spend
my first Thanksgiving in L.A.
874
00:43:41,524 --> 00:43:44,024
with her and Patton
and their friends and family.
875
00:43:45,232 --> 00:43:46,982
SARAH STANARD:
She liked to cook a lot.
876
00:43:47,065 --> 00:43:48,645
She really liked to cook.
877
00:43:48,732 --> 00:43:52,072
She was not a great cook,
but she really tried.
878
00:43:52,148 --> 00:43:54,978
So much, so often.
879
00:43:55,065 --> 00:43:57,605
Um, she was--
she was, like, had the heart,
880
00:43:57,691 --> 00:43:59,691
you know what I mean?
Like, she had the heart.
881
00:44:01,148 --> 00:44:03,518
That Thanksgiving,
I probably did everything.
882
00:44:03,607 --> 00:44:05,977
In fact, I--
I know I did everything.
883
00:44:06,774 --> 00:44:08,234
She just had work to do.
884
00:44:08,315 --> 00:44:09,645
She was finishing the article,
885
00:44:09,732 --> 00:44:11,612
but she just really wanted it
to be good,
886
00:44:11,691 --> 00:44:13,151
so she just went upstairs.
887
00:44:13,232 --> 00:44:15,022
Like, we had that kind of
friendship, like...
888
00:44:15,107 --> 00:44:18,017
I just came in her house
and I knew where everything was
889
00:44:18,107 --> 00:44:19,857
and I made dinner.
890
00:44:20,565 --> 00:44:21,935
MICHELLE: I was in a panic.
891
00:44:22,023 --> 00:44:24,403
We were hosting Thanksgiving,
and the second draft
892
00:44:24,482 --> 00:44:27,652
of my 7,000-word story
was due Tuesday.
893
00:44:27,732 --> 00:44:31,942
I'd sent out SOS emails,
brief and frank pleas for help
894
00:44:32,023 --> 00:44:34,273
that I hoped
would be understood.
895
00:44:34,357 --> 00:44:36,267
I wasn't myself, though.
896
00:44:36,357 --> 00:44:38,647
Impatience roiled.
897
00:44:38,732 --> 00:44:40,612
I made a bigger deal
than I needed to
898
00:44:40,691 --> 00:44:43,651
that Patton bought
an undersized turkey.
899
00:44:43,732 --> 00:44:45,022
But we understood that
about each other,
900
00:44:45,107 --> 00:44:46,477
like, "Go have your time."
901
00:44:46,565 --> 00:44:48,315
You need hours and hours
and hours
902
00:44:48,399 --> 00:44:49,609
to get to the deep stuff.
903
00:44:49,691 --> 00:44:51,361
You know, when you need--
when you--
904
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,480
When someone says they need
five hours to write,
905
00:44:53,565 --> 00:44:56,265
they need an hour to write,
but they need the other hours
906
00:44:56,357 --> 00:44:59,857
to get down to those depths
to start the writing.
907
00:44:59,941 --> 00:45:04,071
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
908
00:45:14,524 --> 00:45:16,024
MICHELLE: When I was a kid,
909
00:45:16,107 --> 00:45:19,937
my family bought a summer place
on the shore of Lake Michigan.
910
00:45:22,273 --> 00:45:25,323
The first couple of summers,
I didn't really know
911
00:45:25,399 --> 00:45:28,189
any of the other kids
in the area.
912
00:45:28,273 --> 00:45:31,113
So I spent a lot of time
on the couch,
913
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:33,360
on the screened-in front porch,
914
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,940
reading Agatha Christie novels.
915
00:45:37,816 --> 00:45:41,356
My interest in writing
began on that porch.
916
00:45:44,482 --> 00:45:46,692
As a writer,
you could lead a reader
917
00:45:46,774 --> 00:45:48,864
through the act of discovery.
918
00:45:53,565 --> 00:45:56,565
I was amazed
that someone had constructed
919
00:45:56,649 --> 00:45:58,979
these intricate mysteries,
920
00:45:59,065 --> 00:46:01,565
that an actual human being,
921
00:46:01,649 --> 00:46:04,859
a woman,
had plotted and twisted
922
00:46:04,941 --> 00:46:07,651
and carefully
maintained curiosity
923
00:46:07,732 --> 00:46:10,862
so that you never knew
who had done it
924
00:46:10,941 --> 00:46:12,941
until the very end.
925
00:46:19,565 --> 00:46:21,605
Yeah, it's--
it's just, there's so many...
926
00:46:21,691 --> 00:46:23,901
When you think of all the lives
this guy ruined,
927
00:46:23,982 --> 00:46:26,732
and not just the victims,
it just goes on and on and on.
928
00:46:26,816 --> 00:46:29,606
It's-- it's-- it's--
Exponentially, you know.
929
00:46:29,691 --> 00:46:31,441
-FIONA: Right. Right.
-MICHELLE: Yeah.
930
00:46:31,524 --> 00:46:35,074
I've worked
some really bad cases,
931
00:46:35,524 --> 00:46:36,734
and...
932
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,980
this series...
933
00:46:40,065 --> 00:46:44,225
affected me
emotionally and mentally
934
00:46:44,315 --> 00:46:46,395
because there was
no resolution.
935
00:46:47,065 --> 00:46:48,105
Everywhere I went,
936
00:46:48,190 --> 00:46:50,610
it's, "How come you guys
haven't caught that guy?"
937
00:46:50,691 --> 00:46:52,771
There was a lot of--
I wouldn't call it hysteria,
938
00:46:52,857 --> 00:46:55,107
but gun sales went out the roof.
939
00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:57,940
Burglary rates went from 1,400
in a month down to 200.
940
00:46:58,023 --> 00:46:59,903
MALE REPORTER 2:
Sacramento women who have never
941
00:46:59,982 --> 00:47:01,572
-fired a gun before...
-(GUNSHOTS)
942
00:47:01,649 --> 00:47:04,319
...are now learning how to shoot
in larger and larger numbers.
943
00:47:04,399 --> 00:47:05,939
MALE REPORTER 3:
Gun sales are way up,
944
00:47:06,023 --> 00:47:07,693
with some of the buyers
not that familiar
945
00:47:07,774 --> 00:47:10,404
with how to use firearms,
and that can be dangerous.
946
00:47:10,482 --> 00:47:12,982
We had one citizen
that actually shot a person
947
00:47:13,065 --> 00:47:14,015
and killed him.
948
00:47:14,107 --> 00:47:16,767
And, um,
when it came time, uh,
949
00:47:16,857 --> 00:47:18,897
for him to go
to superior court,
950
00:47:18,982 --> 00:47:21,732
the judge said,
"Anybody in the community
951
00:47:21,816 --> 00:47:23,816
at that time
would have done the same thing."
952
00:47:23,899 --> 00:47:25,439
And they dropped the charges.
953
00:47:26,565 --> 00:47:28,765
Back in those days...
(CLEARS THROAT)
954
00:47:28,857 --> 00:47:30,517
...it was very, very...
955
00:47:31,565 --> 00:47:32,975
very difficult
956
00:47:33,065 --> 00:47:34,765
to get departments
to work together.
957
00:47:34,857 --> 00:47:37,317
When the East Area Rapist
left our jurisdiction
958
00:47:37,399 --> 00:47:38,859
and went into the city,
959
00:47:38,941 --> 00:47:40,691
then he went to Stockton
and Modesto
960
00:47:40,774 --> 00:47:43,024
and started expanding,
961
00:47:43,107 --> 00:47:45,687
there was sort of a lack
of communication
962
00:47:45,774 --> 00:47:46,904
between the agencies
963
00:47:46,982 --> 00:47:50,152
because "You guys
couldn't catch him, we will."
964
00:47:50,232 --> 00:47:52,022
And that was the attitude.
965
00:47:52,107 --> 00:47:56,227
In two cases in my area,
I was kicked out of the town,
966
00:47:56,315 --> 00:47:59,355
told they didn't need my help,
didn't want my help.
967
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,480
Two weeks later,
they get hit again.
968
00:48:01,565 --> 00:48:05,225
Just because agencies
didn't work together.
969
00:48:08,357 --> 00:48:11,517
I remember there was a day
970
00:48:11,607 --> 00:48:14,357
that I was on the phone
971
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,610
telling my friend
what had happened.
972
00:48:18,357 --> 00:48:20,107
And my dad...
973
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,150
I guess had picked up
the other line and heard me.
974
00:48:25,232 --> 00:48:30,482
And I got in a lot of trouble
for telling anybody.
975
00:48:31,941 --> 00:48:33,021
And, um...
976
00:48:35,565 --> 00:48:37,975
and I-- I think at that moment,
977
00:48:39,315 --> 00:48:42,895
that would probably be
the beginning feeling of shame.
978
00:48:42,982 --> 00:48:46,692
I felt shame, I felt like,
"Did I wear something?
979
00:48:46,774 --> 00:48:48,484
How did he pick me out?"
980
00:48:50,482 --> 00:48:52,112
MELANIE:
There was this thought
981
00:48:52,190 --> 00:48:55,440
that you were raped
based on your beauty
982
00:48:55,524 --> 00:48:59,574
or your clothing
or your action
983
00:48:59,649 --> 00:49:02,359
and not that something is wrong
with the man
984
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,730
that can't control
these urges.
985
00:49:05,816 --> 00:49:07,566
This was something to do
with him
986
00:49:07,649 --> 00:49:09,269
that had nothing to do
987
00:49:09,357 --> 00:49:10,977
with the woman
who was his victim.
988
00:49:11,065 --> 00:49:13,105
And it was a time where...
989
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:16,940
somehow, it always came back
to being the woman's fault.
990
00:49:17,023 --> 00:49:18,653
FEMALE NARRATOR 2:
The woman who allows herself
991
00:49:18,732 --> 00:49:21,362
to be seen undressing
or partially clothed
992
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,940
is the woman
who invites trouble.
993
00:49:24,023 --> 00:49:25,983
Here again,
we see lack of awareness,
994
00:49:26,065 --> 00:49:28,265
plus invitational behavior.
995
00:49:28,357 --> 00:49:30,567
MELANIE: You even had cops
saying, you know,
996
00:49:30,649 --> 00:49:33,479
"Well, at least he got
the pretty one of the sisters."
997
00:49:36,399 --> 00:49:40,109
That culture would never know
how to ask the right questions
998
00:49:40,190 --> 00:49:43,270
or say the right things
to a female victim.
999
00:49:43,357 --> 00:49:47,017
The law and procedure
allowed at that time,
1000
00:49:47,107 --> 00:49:48,357
the late '70s,
1001
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:52,480
that a rape victim
could be routinely asked
1002
00:49:52,565 --> 00:49:56,015
to take a polygraph exam
1003
00:49:56,107 --> 00:49:58,067
or to see a psychiatrist.
1004
00:49:58,148 --> 00:50:02,478
When people find out
about this violent attack,
1005
00:50:02,565 --> 00:50:04,185
it's like, "Well,
1006
00:50:04,273 --> 00:50:07,483
how did you get yourself
into that position?"
1007
00:50:07,565 --> 00:50:10,725
Or, um,
"Why didn't you somehow
1008
00:50:10,816 --> 00:50:13,476
get yourself
out of that position?"
1009
00:50:13,565 --> 00:50:16,105
You know, even some
of my best friends would...
1010
00:50:16,190 --> 00:50:18,150
like,
"You couldn't do anything?"
1011
00:50:18,232 --> 00:50:19,732
You know what I mean?
1012
00:50:19,816 --> 00:50:21,566
(QUIETLY)
Just couldn't do anything.
1013
00:50:24,107 --> 00:50:26,647
There wasn't anything
to be done.
1014
00:50:26,732 --> 00:50:30,192
I couldn't have done anything
if I'd had a gun on the, uh...
1015
00:50:30,273 --> 00:50:32,823
on the bed table, you know?
You're just...
1016
00:50:32,899 --> 00:50:35,229
You don't mess around
when somebody,
1017
00:50:36,273 --> 00:50:39,523
you know, has full control
of the situation.
1018
00:50:39,607 --> 00:50:42,567
And there was no mistaking
that he was serious.
1019
00:50:46,273 --> 00:50:50,443
♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
1020
00:50:58,816 --> 00:51:00,396
RICHARD:
Carol and I both have said
1021
00:51:00,482 --> 00:51:01,612
he's going to kill somebody.
1022
00:51:01,691 --> 00:51:03,901
The guy's getting more
and more brutal as he goes.
1023
00:51:03,982 --> 00:51:05,862
More and more violent.
1024
00:51:05,941 --> 00:51:09,981
I just had this
very, very strong feeling.
1025
00:51:10,065 --> 00:51:12,015
LARRY: I talked to, uh,
the psychiatrist
1026
00:51:12,107 --> 00:51:13,437
at the Vacaville Medical Center
1027
00:51:13,524 --> 00:51:15,904
that worked
with the rapists there.
1028
00:51:15,982 --> 00:51:18,572
And I gave her some reports,
and she said,
1029
00:51:18,649 --> 00:51:20,729
"Okay, come back next week.
1030
00:51:20,816 --> 00:51:23,396
I'm gonna talk to my rapists
in here."
1031
00:51:23,482 --> 00:51:25,732
The best thing to do
if you're in a rape situation
1032
00:51:25,816 --> 00:51:28,726
is submit, submit,
submit until it hurts.
1033
00:51:28,816 --> 00:51:31,816
Because it's gonna hurt
a lot less in the long run.
1034
00:51:31,899 --> 00:51:33,399
If I'm willing to kill you,
1035
00:51:33,482 --> 00:51:35,442
the first move you make,
you're gonna be dead.
1036
00:51:35,524 --> 00:51:37,234
MAN:
The woman that I was with,
1037
00:51:37,315 --> 00:51:39,315
she fought back
and she's dead.
1038
00:51:40,524 --> 00:51:43,364
I went back the next week
and, uh, she said,
1039
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,020
"You had better catch him.
1040
00:51:45,107 --> 00:51:48,317
He wants to kill,
and he is going to kill."
1041
00:51:48,399 --> 00:51:50,479
And I said,
"Why hasn't he killed?"
1042
00:51:50,565 --> 00:51:53,475
And she said, "He hasn't
found the justification."
1043
00:51:53,565 --> 00:51:55,355
And I said,
"What's the justification?"
1044
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,320
And she said, "I don't know,
but it'll get there."
1045
00:51:58,399 --> 00:52:00,149
Of course, we didn't know
at the time
1046
00:52:00,232 --> 00:52:01,692
that he'd already killed.
1047
00:52:05,899 --> 00:52:08,939
The house right here,
1048
00:52:09,023 --> 00:52:12,773
the Maggiores were killed
right outside the fence.
1049
00:52:12,857 --> 00:52:15,857
This is where she was shot and
killed and came right out of.
1050
00:52:15,941 --> 00:52:18,071
MICHELLE:
Did you feel at the time that
that was related?
1051
00:52:18,148 --> 00:52:20,768
MELANIE: During the time
of the East Area Rapist attack,
1052
00:52:20,857 --> 00:52:24,017
I had never heard
about these homicides.
1053
00:52:28,565 --> 00:52:32,565
The same owners still reside
in these residences
1054
00:52:32,649 --> 00:52:34,609
where this happened.
1055
00:52:34,691 --> 00:52:37,651
And then, one of the witnesses
lived right here.
1056
00:52:37,732 --> 00:52:39,152
WOMAN 2:
I heard five shots,
1057
00:52:39,232 --> 00:52:41,732
and I jumped
and looked out the window.
1058
00:52:41,816 --> 00:52:45,976
And I saw a man
run down the sidewalk.
1059
00:52:46,065 --> 00:52:48,435
And I saw the boy
across the street.
1060
00:52:48,524 --> 00:52:51,574
He came running, running down--
right down the sidewalk.
1061
00:52:51,649 --> 00:52:55,519
And he came right up
on the lawn next to the tree.
1062
00:52:55,607 --> 00:52:58,567
And then right--
right as he came to the tree,
1063
00:52:58,649 --> 00:53:01,399
he looked up and he saw me
standing right here.
1064
00:53:01,482 --> 00:53:04,402
And he was pretty surprised,
1065
00:53:04,482 --> 00:53:06,112
turned around
as quick as he could.
1066
00:53:06,190 --> 00:53:09,480
He just turned around and just
headed straight down there
1067
00:53:09,565 --> 00:53:12,565
towards the fire hydrant
around the corner.
1068
00:53:12,649 --> 00:53:15,519
MELANIE: The Maggiores
were out walking their dog.
1069
00:53:15,607 --> 00:53:18,187
They were seen running
1070
00:53:18,273 --> 00:53:20,983
and went through this backyard
1071
00:53:21,065 --> 00:53:22,895
where they were attacked.
1072
00:53:22,982 --> 00:53:26,822
The fact that they were
chased down and shot,
1073
00:53:26,899 --> 00:53:29,269
like, Katie was shot
right in the head,
1074
00:53:29,357 --> 00:53:31,817
made me think
that they had seen his face
1075
00:53:31,899 --> 00:53:33,859
and they could identify him.
1076
00:53:33,941 --> 00:53:38,111
I'm an art student
and I drew out a picture of him
1077
00:53:38,190 --> 00:53:40,770
standing next to the tree,
because I saw him, and I saw--
1078
00:53:40,857 --> 00:53:43,397
I drew a picture of him
running down.
1079
00:53:44,649 --> 00:53:47,439
MELANIE: It's believed
that the composite
1080
00:53:47,524 --> 00:53:49,864
that was released
at the time
1081
00:53:49,941 --> 00:53:54,861
was very close to, um,
what the attacker looked like.
1082
00:53:54,941 --> 00:53:57,901
CAROL DALY: I didn't work
the Maggiore homicides
1083
00:53:57,982 --> 00:54:00,402
because it was completely
different MO.
1084
00:54:00,482 --> 00:54:02,902
Okay, this isn't in a home
in a rape case,
1085
00:54:02,982 --> 00:54:06,192
but this is a prowler
in a ski mask.
1086
00:54:06,273 --> 00:54:09,523
MELANIE: A pre-tied ligature
was also found at the scene,
1087
00:54:09,607 --> 00:54:14,317
which was a common knot
that the East Area Rapist used.
1088
00:54:14,399 --> 00:54:16,189
CAROL: There were officers
that said "Yeah,
1089
00:54:16,273 --> 00:54:17,733
I think it could've been
the East Area Rapist,"
1090
00:54:17,816 --> 00:54:19,726
and others said,
"No, I don't think it was."
1091
00:54:19,816 --> 00:54:21,356
MELANIE: That was a huge debate
1092
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,520
because we don't know
for sure what happened.
1093
00:54:23,607 --> 00:54:27,687
But the idea
that most people believe
1094
00:54:27,774 --> 00:54:29,984
is that they encountered EAR
1095
00:54:30,065 --> 00:54:33,315
and, uh, they were killed
because of that.
1096
00:54:35,524 --> 00:54:37,114
MICHELLE:
And they were just walking?
1097
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:38,940
MELANIE: Yeah. It was so sad.
1098
00:54:39,023 --> 00:54:41,523
-They were just married.
-MICHELLE: Hmm.
1099
00:54:43,232 --> 00:54:45,022
MELANIE: Whatever they saw,
1100
00:54:45,857 --> 00:54:47,817
they had to die for it.
1101
00:54:50,524 --> 00:54:53,774
I really did... think
1102
00:54:53,857 --> 00:54:55,977
that they were going to--
to catch him.
1103
00:54:56,065 --> 00:54:58,935
And it was, um...
1104
00:54:59,023 --> 00:55:03,613
a hard pill to swallow
as the years went by,
1105
00:55:03,691 --> 00:55:07,691
that he could've gotten away
with these kinds of things.
1106
00:55:13,649 --> 00:55:15,819
(CASSETTE TAPE REWINDING)
1107
00:55:15,899 --> 00:55:20,479
GAY: I really did think
that they were going to--
1108
00:55:20,565 --> 00:55:22,685
-to catch him.
-(TAPE RECORDER BEEPS)
1109
00:55:24,399 --> 00:55:26,269
MICHELLE: I mimicked
the bedtime routine
1110
00:55:26,357 --> 00:55:27,767
of a normal person...
1111
00:55:29,524 --> 00:55:32,444
but after my husband
and daughter fell asleep,
1112
00:55:33,649 --> 00:55:36,609
I hunted the killer
with my laptop,
1113
00:55:36,691 --> 00:55:40,731
the 15-inch hatch
of endless possibilities.
1114
00:55:53,065 --> 00:55:55,105
You know, he stole very
specific things from people.
1115
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:56,900
Not necessarily
valuable things,
1116
00:55:56,982 --> 00:55:59,192
but things that meant something
to his victim.
1117
00:55:59,273 --> 00:56:01,863
A lot of them were initialed,
monogrammed, things like that.
1118
00:56:01,941 --> 00:56:03,521
And in my interviews
with detectives,
1119
00:56:03,607 --> 00:56:05,317
I would say, "Have you ever
tried to follow up
1120
00:56:05,399 --> 00:56:07,689
and see if these were on eBay
or anything like that?"
1121
00:56:07,774 --> 00:56:10,194
And that just wasn't something
they did.
1122
00:56:10,273 --> 00:56:13,523
My thinking was, who's to say
some guy didn't die
1123
00:56:13,607 --> 00:56:16,517
and you have to clear out
your weird uncle's storage.
1124
00:56:16,607 --> 00:56:18,437
Then, suddenly, you've just
put those on eBay,
1125
00:56:18,524 --> 00:56:19,864
and we could find that.
1126
00:56:19,941 --> 00:56:21,941
So I just started
to keep a list.
1127
00:56:23,107 --> 00:56:25,517
The cufflinks,
a family heirloom,
1128
00:56:25,607 --> 00:56:28,517
were an unusual 1950s style
1129
00:56:28,607 --> 00:56:32,227
and monogrammed
with the initials "NR."
1130
00:56:32,315 --> 00:56:35,315
Michelle had been, you know,
late night, bleary eyed,
1131
00:56:35,399 --> 00:56:38,609
looking online,
the latest, like, possible clue,
1132
00:56:38,691 --> 00:56:41,981
and she had stumbled
upon a pair of cufflinks.
1133
00:56:42,065 --> 00:56:43,895
MICHELLE:
The same style of cufflinks
1134
00:56:43,982 --> 00:56:46,022
as sketched out
in the police file,
1135
00:56:46,107 --> 00:56:47,727
with the same initials.
1136
00:56:47,816 --> 00:56:49,356
NANCY: The idea was...
1137
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:50,820
were these the cufflinks
1138
00:56:50,899 --> 00:56:53,729
that the Golden State Killer
had stolen,
1139
00:56:53,816 --> 00:56:56,266
that then surfaced somewhere
in Oregon?
1140
00:56:56,357 --> 00:56:57,977
And if these were
the cufflinks,
1141
00:56:58,065 --> 00:57:01,765
then there might be a way
to trace who sold them to whom
1142
00:57:01,857 --> 00:57:05,397
and kind of do this, like,
chain of where and how--
1143
00:57:05,482 --> 00:57:07,072
where it came from.
1144
00:57:07,148 --> 00:57:09,728
MICHELLE: I walked down
the hallway to my bedroom.
1145
00:57:09,816 --> 00:57:12,516
My husband
was on his side sleeping.
1146
00:57:12,607 --> 00:57:15,437
I sat on the edge of the bed
and stared at him
1147
00:57:15,524 --> 00:57:17,324
until he opened his eyes.
1148
00:57:18,899 --> 00:57:21,979
"I think I found him," I said.
1149
00:57:23,565 --> 00:57:28,185
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