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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,691 --> 00:00:03,321 MICHELLE MCNAMARA: When I'm puzzling over the details of an unsolved crime 2 00:00:03,399 --> 00:00:04,979 I'm like a rat in a maze given a task. 3 00:00:05,065 --> 00:00:06,855 I had a murder habit and it was bad. 4 00:00:06,941 --> 00:00:08,861 I would feed it for the rest of my life. 5 00:00:08,941 --> 00:00:10,521 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 6 00:00:10,607 --> 00:00:12,817 MAN: Her ultimate dream was always to write books. 7 00:00:13,065 --> 00:00:14,855 MICHELLE: The case that I'm most obsessed with is 8 00:00:14,941 --> 00:00:16,981 a serial offender that raped 50 women 9 00:00:17,065 --> 00:00:19,145 in California and killed ten people. 10 00:00:19,232 --> 00:00:21,072 She also really wanted a child. 11 00:00:21,148 --> 00:00:22,398 MICHELLE: Oh, Alice! 12 00:00:22,565 --> 00:00:25,725 Michelle wanted to get this guy caught. 13 00:00:26,315 --> 00:00:29,435 The story of the victims, it has to be told. 14 00:00:29,899 --> 00:00:32,399 WOMAN: We were awakened by a voice. 15 00:00:32,482 --> 00:00:34,192 WOMAN 2: There he is in his ski mask. 16 00:00:34,273 --> 00:00:36,573 WOMAN 3: He said, "Don't move or I'll kill you. 17 00:00:38,107 --> 00:00:39,857 WOMAN 4: Everyone loves a story about a killer, 18 00:00:39,941 --> 00:00:41,521 but there was nothing new to say yet. 19 00:00:41,607 --> 00:00:43,147 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 20 00:01:01,190 --> 00:01:05,320 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 21 00:01:09,315 --> 00:01:11,315 MALE HYPNOTIST: 22 00:01:25,482 --> 00:01:27,822 (HEARTBEAT THUMPING) 23 00:01:41,065 --> 00:01:42,265 Now... 24 00:01:47,232 --> 00:01:48,822 LORI: 25 00:01:49,816 --> 00:01:50,976 HYPNOTIST: 26 00:02:01,524 --> 00:02:02,904 (LAUGHTER ON TV) 27 00:02:02,982 --> 00:02:05,362 LORI: 28 00:02:07,315 --> 00:02:09,225 HYPNOTIST: 29 00:02:10,273 --> 00:02:11,273 LORI: 30 00:02:11,357 --> 00:02:12,267 HYPNOTIST: 31 00:02:12,357 --> 00:02:13,767 (DOG BARKING) 32 00:02:13,857 --> 00:02:15,187 HYPNOTIST: 33 00:02:17,941 --> 00:02:19,361 LORI: 34 00:02:21,857 --> 00:02:23,187 HYPNOTIST: 35 00:02:24,107 --> 00:02:25,187 LORI: 36 00:02:25,857 --> 00:02:28,267 (HEARTBEAT THUMPING) 37 00:02:28,357 --> 00:02:30,397 HYPNOTIST: 38 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:33,570 LORI: 39 00:02:33,982 --> 00:02:35,022 HYPNOTIST: 40 00:02:35,982 --> 00:02:38,902 LORI: 41 00:02:40,190 --> 00:02:42,020 HYPNOTIST: 42 00:02:42,107 --> 00:02:44,357 (HEART BEATING FASTER) 43 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:45,570 LORI: 44 00:02:46,857 --> 00:02:47,897 HYPNOTIST: 45 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:56,520 LORI: 46 00:02:59,732 --> 00:03:04,572 ♪ ("AVALANCHE" BY AIMEE MANN PLAYING) ♪ 47 00:03:08,565 --> 00:03:12,435 ♪ Well I stepped Into an avalanche ♪ 48 00:03:13,899 --> 00:03:16,649 ♪ It covered up my soul ♪ 49 00:03:18,982 --> 00:03:24,022 ♪ When I am not this hunchback That you see ♪ 50 00:03:24,107 --> 00:03:27,607 ♪ I sleep beneath The golden hill ♪ 51 00:03:29,774 --> 00:03:33,694 ♪ You who wish to conquer pain ♪ 52 00:03:33,774 --> 00:03:39,484 ♪ You must learn Learn to serve me well ♪ 53 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:44,480 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 54 00:03:48,107 --> 00:03:49,357 This guy, I think... 55 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:53,440 I guess what I think people underestimate is the... 56 00:03:54,816 --> 00:03:56,896 I hate to use this word, the productivity and the-- 57 00:03:56,982 --> 00:04:00,112 he was so-- this is what he did constantly. 58 00:04:00,190 --> 00:04:01,900 And when you do something over and over again, 59 00:04:01,982 --> 00:04:03,942 you get-- you just get better at it. 60 00:04:04,023 --> 00:04:05,733 And I don't think that that necessarily meant-- 61 00:04:05,816 --> 00:04:08,016 I just don't think he was an evil genius. 62 00:04:08,107 --> 00:04:09,687 -CAMERON CLOUTIER: Right. -I think if you're out 63 00:04:09,774 --> 00:04:11,824 -every night at 3:00 a.m... -CAMERON: Right. 64 00:04:11,899 --> 00:04:14,069 ...trying to break into people's houses, 65 00:04:14,148 --> 00:04:15,938 it's a numbers game. At a certain point, 66 00:04:16,023 --> 00:04:18,113 you're gonna be successful. 67 00:04:20,982 --> 00:04:24,272 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 68 00:04:31,482 --> 00:04:32,982 PATTON OSWALT: (OVER PHONE) Hey, it's Patton. 69 00:04:33,065 --> 00:04:34,475 Just wanted to call and congratulate you. 70 00:04:34,565 --> 00:04:36,265 That is such awesome news. 71 00:04:36,357 --> 00:04:37,517 Oh, you so deserve it. 72 00:04:38,190 --> 00:04:39,860 (HUMMING) 73 00:04:39,941 --> 00:04:41,111 KERA BOLONIK: Hey, Michelle. 74 00:04:41,190 --> 00:04:43,320 I just wanted to say congratulations. 75 00:04:43,399 --> 00:04:45,319 I'm just thrilled for you. 76 00:04:45,399 --> 00:04:47,069 MELANIE BARBEAU: Hey Michelle, It's Mel. 77 00:04:47,148 --> 00:04:48,898 Call me, I'm looking forward to talking to you 78 00:04:48,982 --> 00:04:51,362 about the, um, article. 79 00:04:55,023 --> 00:04:58,113 MICHELLE MCNAMARA: One, one thing that, um, was... 80 00:04:58,190 --> 00:05:00,270 that I was interested in was... 81 00:05:00,357 --> 00:05:01,817 how do you think the East Area Rapist 82 00:05:01,899 --> 00:05:03,979 chose the victims? Because that's the other thing 83 00:05:04,065 --> 00:05:05,765 that's so striking to me about this case, 84 00:05:05,857 --> 00:05:08,607 is that there obviously has to be a high level of surveillance. 85 00:05:08,691 --> 00:05:10,611 -LARRY CROMPTON: Mm-hmm. -MICHELLE: But then there's also 86 00:05:10,691 --> 00:05:12,611 a spontaneity issue because... 87 00:05:12,691 --> 00:05:14,321 So, he had to, like, pick these people, 88 00:05:14,399 --> 00:05:15,819 but then it's also, like, the one time 89 00:05:15,899 --> 00:05:17,479 the husband's called away for two hours. 90 00:05:17,565 --> 00:05:19,475 So it's almost like he's omnipresent, 91 00:05:19,565 --> 00:05:20,935 and I can't figure that out. 92 00:05:21,023 --> 00:05:22,823 LARRY: Well, a lot of times he would go in 93 00:05:22,899 --> 00:05:25,729 and I think he would pick out a person. 94 00:05:25,816 --> 00:05:27,396 (CASSETTE TAPE REWINDING) 95 00:05:27,482 --> 00:05:28,982 LARRY: A lot of times he would go in 96 00:05:29,065 --> 00:05:31,855 and I think he would pick out a person. But-- 97 00:05:31,941 --> 00:05:33,571 So he was going into their house maybe beforehand 98 00:05:33,649 --> 00:05:35,019 -when they weren't there? -Yes. Oh, yes. 99 00:05:35,107 --> 00:05:36,727 -MICHELLE: Oh, okay. -LARRY: Yeah. 100 00:05:38,148 --> 00:05:39,188 MICHELLE: The hook for me 101 00:05:39,273 --> 00:05:41,233 was that the case seemed solvable. 102 00:05:43,691 --> 00:05:45,821 He'd left behind so many victims 103 00:05:45,899 --> 00:05:47,729 and abundant clues. 104 00:05:48,857 --> 00:05:51,817 The case dragged me under quickly. 105 00:05:51,899 --> 00:05:55,609 Curiosity turned to clawing hunger. 106 00:05:55,691 --> 00:05:58,861 There were two more victims in January. 107 00:05:58,941 --> 00:06:01,071 A quote by an anonymous sheriff's detective 108 00:06:01,148 --> 00:06:02,188 in the Sacramento Bee 109 00:06:02,273 --> 00:06:05,193 conveyed the brittle weariness setting in. 110 00:06:05,273 --> 00:06:08,613 "It was exactly the same as all the rest." 111 00:06:09,774 --> 00:06:11,114 (PHONE RINGING) 112 00:06:11,190 --> 00:06:13,860 NANCY MILLER: The first draft of Michelle's piece comes in, 113 00:06:13,941 --> 00:06:19,191 and it is one of the most difficult, 114 00:06:19,273 --> 00:06:22,573 disturbing, violent collections 115 00:06:22,649 --> 00:06:26,519 of terrible things that happened to people. 116 00:06:26,607 --> 00:06:28,517 And I was like, "Oh, shit. 117 00:06:28,607 --> 00:06:30,317 This is real." 118 00:06:31,065 --> 00:06:33,145 And then it was like... 119 00:06:33,232 --> 00:06:36,232 an elevator plunging 20,000 stories. 120 00:06:36,315 --> 00:06:39,515 -♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -(COMPUTER KEYS CLACKING) 121 00:06:39,607 --> 00:06:43,067 This is the first paragraph 122 00:06:43,148 --> 00:06:46,608 that just gave me nightmares. 123 00:06:49,941 --> 00:06:51,401 "The first attack 124 00:06:51,482 --> 00:06:55,152 in many ways resembled the 49 that followed. 125 00:06:55,232 --> 00:06:57,902 The 23-year-old victim woke to a man 126 00:06:57,982 --> 00:07:00,732 in a navy blue T-shirt and white ski mask 127 00:07:00,816 --> 00:07:03,396 standing in her bedroom doorway. 128 00:07:03,482 --> 00:07:06,732 He wore no pants and was erect. 129 00:07:06,816 --> 00:07:10,396 She thought she was dreaming until he leaped onto her bed. 130 00:07:10,482 --> 00:07:12,942 'If you make one move or sound, 131 00:07:13,023 --> 00:07:15,943 I'll stick this knife in you,' he whispered, 132 00:07:16,023 --> 00:07:19,363 pressing the blade into her right temple." 133 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:20,900 MICHELLE: The unknown offender, 134 00:07:21,023 --> 00:07:23,273 soon dubbed "the East Area Rapist," 135 00:07:23,357 --> 00:07:24,937 would go on to rape and terrorize 136 00:07:25,023 --> 00:07:29,483 Northern California communities for the next three years. 137 00:07:29,565 --> 00:07:32,185 "His habits were unique and disturbing. 138 00:07:32,273 --> 00:07:34,523 He clearly did a great deal of surveillance 139 00:07:34,607 --> 00:07:36,687 of his victims and their homes. 140 00:07:36,774 --> 00:07:40,444 He used shoelaces or torn towels as ligatures." 141 00:07:40,524 --> 00:07:43,274 NANCY: "His tenth victim was playing the piano 142 00:07:43,357 --> 00:07:45,147 when he materialized. 143 00:07:45,232 --> 00:07:47,022 He tied her hands behind her back 144 00:07:47,107 --> 00:07:50,727 with shoelaces he'd stolen earlier from her sister's shoes. 145 00:07:50,816 --> 00:07:53,566 He had her masturbate him with hand lotion, 146 00:07:53,649 --> 00:07:55,069 a habit of his, 147 00:07:55,148 --> 00:07:58,648 while he quizzed her on her sexual history. 148 00:07:58,732 --> 00:08:00,572 The victim was a virgin. 149 00:08:00,649 --> 00:08:02,319 He raped her anyway. 150 00:08:02,399 --> 00:08:04,729 'Oh, isn't this good?' he asked. 151 00:08:04,816 --> 00:08:07,726 He held a knife to her throat until she said yes." 152 00:08:09,357 --> 00:08:10,857 (GROANS) 153 00:08:12,190 --> 00:08:13,980 NANCY: When I was reading the piece, 154 00:08:14,065 --> 00:08:15,895 the number "50" skid past me 155 00:08:15,982 --> 00:08:18,022 the first few times I read that story 156 00:08:18,107 --> 00:08:20,357 because it was like, "Twelve murders. 157 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:21,610 Murders, murders, murders." 158 00:08:21,691 --> 00:08:24,321 And then I stepped back and I was like, "Fifty rapes." 159 00:08:24,399 --> 00:08:27,359 No one wants to talk about that part of the story, really. 160 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,570 The devastation that that had on the community, 161 00:08:30,649 --> 00:08:32,229 on partners, in families, 162 00:08:32,315 --> 00:08:34,645 and then made worse by the fact that 163 00:08:34,732 --> 00:08:37,072 we just didn't necessarily have the tools 164 00:08:37,148 --> 00:08:40,728 or the culture to treat the victims 165 00:08:40,816 --> 00:08:43,106 in the way they probably needed at that time. 166 00:08:44,232 --> 00:08:47,362 MIKE BOYD: They range in age from 22 to 35, 167 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:50,150 in color, from black to brown to white. 168 00:08:50,232 --> 00:08:51,442 (MEN TALKING INDISTINCTLY) 169 00:08:51,524 --> 00:08:53,864 Joel, convicted of two rapes. 170 00:08:53,941 --> 00:08:56,571 He also told me he'd attacked men. 171 00:08:57,107 --> 00:08:58,107 This is Vic. 172 00:08:58,190 --> 00:09:00,520 He raped, then murdered a woman. 173 00:09:00,607 --> 00:09:03,767 Jim used a gun to beat his victims. 174 00:09:03,857 --> 00:09:05,857 RICHARD SHELBY: In the '70s in Sacramento, 175 00:09:05,941 --> 00:09:08,271 there seemed to be a center for the real wackos. 176 00:09:08,357 --> 00:09:09,517 It really did. 177 00:09:09,607 --> 00:09:12,937 You had all kinds of rapists. 178 00:09:13,023 --> 00:09:17,443 The Early Bird Rapist, who started about '68 or '70, 179 00:09:17,524 --> 00:09:20,024 he did 41, I think it was, 180 00:09:20,107 --> 00:09:21,397 rapes, in the homes. 181 00:09:21,482 --> 00:09:23,402 That never made much in the way of news. 182 00:09:23,482 --> 00:09:24,522 The Stinky Rapist. 183 00:09:24,607 --> 00:09:26,767 He did many, many rapes in Berkeley. 184 00:09:26,857 --> 00:09:28,687 And they thought they knew who he was, 185 00:09:28,774 --> 00:09:30,114 but the DA wouldn't file. 186 00:09:30,190 --> 00:09:33,690 And he moved to Oakland, where he continued raping 187 00:09:33,774 --> 00:09:35,274 and was never caught. 188 00:09:35,357 --> 00:09:37,067 You had the Car Key Rapist. 189 00:09:37,148 --> 00:09:39,398 He would rape the lady in the car, 190 00:09:39,482 --> 00:09:42,072 and then he would take off with the key. 191 00:09:42,148 --> 00:09:45,268 And, uh, you had the Pillowcase Rapist. 192 00:09:45,357 --> 00:09:48,977 These were very, very active rapists. 193 00:09:49,065 --> 00:09:51,725 There were about 15 that I come up with, 194 00:09:51,816 --> 00:09:55,356 where they were raping 30, 40, 50 people. 195 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,230 Rape in the '70s was... 196 00:09:58,315 --> 00:10:00,975 a crime like a simple assault. 197 00:10:01,065 --> 00:10:03,565 It was not considered a big deal. 198 00:10:03,649 --> 00:10:06,269 The sentence for, um, uh... 199 00:10:06,357 --> 00:10:08,937 raping somebody could be 30 days, 200 00:10:09,023 --> 00:10:10,773 could be 90 days, you'd get probation. 201 00:10:10,857 --> 00:10:14,437 There was no real, uh, crime statute 202 00:10:14,524 --> 00:10:15,734 for sexual assault, 203 00:10:15,816 --> 00:10:20,106 and so, um, I think when these crimes began, 204 00:10:20,190 --> 00:10:23,150 um, you know, you looked at the way women were treated. 205 00:10:23,232 --> 00:10:25,902 The sex offender today has a greater number 206 00:10:25,982 --> 00:10:28,022 of available women to choose from. 207 00:10:28,107 --> 00:10:31,977 There are more working women, single women living alone, 208 00:10:32,065 --> 00:10:34,475 not with their families or with men. 209 00:10:34,565 --> 00:10:36,265 SECOND ACTOR: Because of the mobility 210 00:10:36,357 --> 00:10:37,767 and the visibility of today's woman, 211 00:10:37,857 --> 00:10:39,857 she must learn to understand the rapist. 212 00:10:39,941 --> 00:10:42,771 For today's woman to understand the rapist, 213 00:10:42,857 --> 00:10:44,857 she's gotta learn to understand the man. 214 00:10:44,941 --> 00:10:46,941 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 215 00:10:47,023 --> 00:10:48,983 MELANIE: Of course, women didn't talk about it 216 00:10:49,065 --> 00:10:50,685 because of the way they were treated 217 00:10:50,774 --> 00:10:52,484 when they did talk about it, 218 00:10:52,565 --> 00:10:54,015 and oftentimes blamed 219 00:10:54,107 --> 00:10:56,227 for what did they do that was inappropriate 220 00:10:56,315 --> 00:10:58,185 or what, you know, what were they wearing? 221 00:10:58,273 --> 00:10:59,483 How were they walking? 222 00:10:59,565 --> 00:11:01,565 You know, did they do something 223 00:11:01,649 --> 00:11:03,519 that would've brought that kind of attention 224 00:11:03,607 --> 00:11:05,107 against their will? 225 00:11:05,190 --> 00:11:08,110 FEMALE NARRATOR 1: The young girl made one bad move after another. 226 00:11:08,190 --> 00:11:09,980 Her attitude was much too inviting. 227 00:11:10,065 --> 00:11:13,435 She should never have stopped to window shop at night. 228 00:11:13,524 --> 00:11:15,864 She parked in a dark section of the parking lot 229 00:11:15,941 --> 00:11:18,191 and didn't have her keys ready in her hand. 230 00:11:18,273 --> 00:11:20,573 (SCREAMING) 231 00:11:27,273 --> 00:11:29,233 CAMERON: So, uh, Michelle... 232 00:11:29,315 --> 00:11:32,105 how did you become interested in true crime? 233 00:11:32,190 --> 00:11:34,440 You know, how old were you when you first got into it? 234 00:11:34,524 --> 00:11:38,524 I got interested in true crime, um, because when I was 14, 235 00:11:38,607 --> 00:11:40,977 uh, living outside of Chicago, 236 00:11:41,065 --> 00:11:43,065 a neighbor of mine was murdered. 237 00:11:43,148 --> 00:11:46,688 Um, and it-- it was, it's still unsolved. 238 00:11:46,774 --> 00:11:48,154 Her name was Kathy Lombardo. 239 00:11:48,232 --> 00:11:50,022 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 240 00:11:50,107 --> 00:11:53,607 I grew up in Oak Park, Illinois, which is outside Chicago. 241 00:11:53,691 --> 00:11:56,271 It was just a laid-back residential area 242 00:11:56,357 --> 00:11:58,817 and it really kind of shocked our town. 243 00:11:58,899 --> 00:12:01,149 And it was-- it was headline news, for sure. 244 00:12:01,232 --> 00:12:03,692 MALE REPORTER 1: Kathy Lombardo grew up in this neighborhood. 245 00:12:03,774 --> 00:12:05,024 She felt safe here. 246 00:12:05,107 --> 00:12:07,477 So she could be found just about every night of the week 247 00:12:07,565 --> 00:12:09,855 walking briskly through these streets and alleys, 248 00:12:09,941 --> 00:12:13,731 always alone, always wearing her stereo headphones 249 00:12:13,816 --> 00:12:16,066 with the music turned up full blast. 250 00:12:16,148 --> 00:12:19,318 Last night, somebody grabbed the 24-year-old Oak Park woman 251 00:12:19,399 --> 00:12:21,229 in an alley, probably from behind, 252 00:12:21,315 --> 00:12:23,685 stabbed her in the heart, and slashed her throat. 253 00:12:23,774 --> 00:12:26,824 Police say she was probably sexually attacked as well. 254 00:12:26,899 --> 00:12:29,359 She was found just after 10:00 by two youths, 255 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,020 who called a neighbor to the scene. 256 00:12:31,107 --> 00:12:33,567 I got there and went to reach down 257 00:12:33,649 --> 00:12:39,729 to check her carotid pulse, and her throat was slit open. 258 00:12:39,816 --> 00:12:43,976 Uh, she was turning pale fast and, uh... 259 00:12:45,315 --> 00:12:46,725 couple pumps, you know, 260 00:12:46,816 --> 00:12:48,646 a couple more pumps from her throat, 261 00:12:48,732 --> 00:12:50,652 and she was dead. 262 00:12:51,816 --> 00:12:53,266 MICHELLE: I don't think, up until that point, 263 00:12:53,357 --> 00:12:55,977 I had been interested in murder at all. 264 00:12:56,065 --> 00:12:57,645 I was just very gripped by this story 265 00:12:57,732 --> 00:13:00,072 and very shocked by it and very, um, obsessed 266 00:13:00,148 --> 00:13:02,978 with kind of the blankness of this person's face. 267 00:13:03,065 --> 00:13:05,185 That we didn't know who may be, like, 268 00:13:05,273 --> 00:13:07,363 slinking by us covered in blood. 269 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,900 I mean, it just seemed so unbelievable to me 270 00:13:09,982 --> 00:13:13,772 that someone among us was a cold-blooded killer 271 00:13:13,857 --> 00:13:15,767 who had cut this woman's throat. 272 00:13:15,857 --> 00:13:18,817 MALE REPORTER 1: Today, police scoured the alley where the murder took place 273 00:13:18,899 --> 00:13:20,609 and found the blade of the kitchen knife 274 00:13:20,691 --> 00:13:22,611 they think was used to kill the young woman. 275 00:13:22,691 --> 00:13:24,441 They're still searching for the handle, 276 00:13:24,524 --> 00:13:25,574 which was broken off. 277 00:13:25,649 --> 00:13:27,229 What happened to her is wrong. 278 00:13:27,315 --> 00:13:29,475 It could happen to you or me or anyone. 279 00:13:31,857 --> 00:13:34,267 MICHELLE: I remember walking to the place 280 00:13:34,357 --> 00:13:36,397 where I knew she had been killed and... 281 00:13:36,482 --> 00:13:39,772 um, finding kinda these shattered pieces of Walkman 282 00:13:39,857 --> 00:13:42,937 that were still there and kinda picking them up. 283 00:13:43,023 --> 00:13:45,023 I didn't go as far as to talk to, 284 00:13:45,107 --> 00:13:46,477 you know, the police or anything like that, 285 00:13:46,565 --> 00:13:48,145 but I was definitely very curious 286 00:13:48,232 --> 00:13:51,072 about the different elements of the crime 287 00:13:51,148 --> 00:13:54,268 and how it had happened and who this guy could be. 288 00:13:54,941 --> 00:13:56,571 Was he someone we knew? 289 00:13:58,232 --> 00:14:00,272 Everyone moved on, and I couldn't. 290 00:14:02,899 --> 00:14:05,359 -From, like, '75 to '84... -LARRY: Yeah. 291 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,820 MICHELLE: ...there were so many serial offenders 292 00:14:07,899 --> 00:14:09,439 operating at the same time. It blows my mind. 293 00:14:09,524 --> 00:14:11,484 -LARRY: Yeah, yeah. -MICHELLE: I don't know why that was, 294 00:14:11,565 --> 00:14:14,265 -but there was a ton of that. -LARRY: I don't either. 295 00:14:14,357 --> 00:14:18,357 The East Area Rapist was not the most active. 296 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:22,520 He was the most violent, from what we knew. 297 00:14:22,607 --> 00:14:26,227 He would break into the homes while they were sleeping. 298 00:14:29,273 --> 00:14:32,943 The sex was not... his thing. 299 00:14:34,607 --> 00:14:37,897 The terror that he put in 'em was the thing. 300 00:14:40,982 --> 00:14:42,612 CAROL DALY: Now, one of the big questions 301 00:14:42,691 --> 00:14:44,651 that was asked here last night, 302 00:14:44,732 --> 00:14:47,022 "If we have a gun, could we shoot him?" 303 00:14:47,107 --> 00:14:48,977 Knowing what I know about this man, 304 00:14:49,065 --> 00:14:51,855 if I had a gun, I definitely would shoot him. 305 00:14:51,941 --> 00:14:53,361 And I would not shoot to injure. 306 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,730 I would shoot to take care of him. 307 00:14:55,816 --> 00:14:57,856 There are two things known about the rapist 308 00:14:57,941 --> 00:15:00,231 currently terrorizing Sacramento. 309 00:15:00,315 --> 00:15:02,645 One is he has never been caught in a home 310 00:15:02,732 --> 00:15:04,522 where there was a man present. 311 00:15:04,607 --> 00:15:07,897 The other is he's never been in a home 312 00:15:07,982 --> 00:15:10,192 where there has been a big dog. 313 00:15:11,816 --> 00:15:15,226 MELANIE: '77 became a time where the East Area Rapist 314 00:15:15,315 --> 00:15:17,975 -began attacking couples. -MICHELLE: And why do you think 315 00:15:18,065 --> 00:15:20,855 he did-- he started to do couples? 316 00:15:20,941 --> 00:15:24,021 LARRY: I really do think it was because of the news media. 317 00:15:24,107 --> 00:15:25,067 MICHELLE: Yeah. 318 00:15:25,148 --> 00:15:28,568 The first 15 rapes in the Sacramento area 319 00:15:28,649 --> 00:15:30,569 were lone women. 320 00:15:30,649 --> 00:15:33,569 The newspaper printed that he'd never hit a place 321 00:15:33,649 --> 00:15:35,319 with a man in the house. 322 00:15:35,941 --> 00:15:37,901 And after that... 323 00:15:37,982 --> 00:15:39,692 there was a man in the house. 324 00:15:39,774 --> 00:15:41,734 -MICHELLE: So he was aware of that? -LARRY: Yeah. 325 00:15:41,816 --> 00:15:43,976 MICHELLE: And-- and that would go to the game playing part of it? 326 00:15:44,065 --> 00:15:45,475 -LARRY: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. -MICHELLE: Mm-hmm. 327 00:15:45,565 --> 00:15:48,895 Absolutely, he was watching the media with everything. 328 00:15:48,982 --> 00:15:51,942 And as soon as the newspaper would say, "This didn't happen," 329 00:15:52,023 --> 00:15:53,153 it would happen. 330 00:15:53,232 --> 00:15:55,692 Everything became a challenge to him. 331 00:15:56,857 --> 00:15:59,147 KRIS PEDRETTI: I didn't have a lot of exposure 332 00:15:59,232 --> 00:16:01,692 to what was happening, um... 333 00:16:02,482 --> 00:16:04,112 I didn't see the newspaper. 334 00:16:04,190 --> 00:16:07,230 I don't remember hearing it on the news. 335 00:16:07,315 --> 00:16:09,435 In the weeks leading up to the attack, 336 00:16:09,524 --> 00:16:10,694 we had... 337 00:16:10,774 --> 00:16:12,734 hang-up calls. 338 00:16:12,816 --> 00:16:15,266 Uh, I believe three, four a day. 339 00:16:15,357 --> 00:16:16,937 We would have them. 340 00:16:17,023 --> 00:16:18,193 Um... 341 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:21,610 but it didn't... 342 00:16:21,691 --> 00:16:25,571 it didn't register to me. I was 15. 343 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:28,480 Maybe it was a boy that liked me. 344 00:16:28,565 --> 00:16:30,145 You know, I didn't... 345 00:16:30,232 --> 00:16:33,112 I really didn't have any... 346 00:16:33,774 --> 00:16:35,114 I'll say it this way. 347 00:16:35,190 --> 00:16:37,270 I didn't have any reason to be fearful 348 00:16:37,357 --> 00:16:39,357 because I lived in a safe world. 349 00:16:41,065 --> 00:16:43,105 MALE REPORTER 2: Residents of the East Area 350 00:16:43,190 --> 00:16:45,570 are locking themselves inside their houses 351 00:16:45,649 --> 00:16:46,979 as never before. 352 00:16:47,065 --> 00:16:49,475 Locks have sold so quickly in the community, 353 00:16:49,565 --> 00:16:53,105 stores have had trouble keeping up with the demand. 354 00:16:53,190 --> 00:16:55,150 LINDA O'DELL: I wasn't scared at the time. 355 00:16:55,232 --> 00:16:57,572 I didn't know about a lot of it going on. 356 00:16:57,649 --> 00:16:59,189 I wasn't reading the paper. 357 00:16:59,273 --> 00:17:01,323 Um, yes, it was in the news. 358 00:17:01,399 --> 00:17:04,069 The one indication we got was... 359 00:17:04,148 --> 00:17:05,978 my husband and I came home, 360 00:17:06,065 --> 00:17:07,435 and the kids in the neighborhood 361 00:17:07,524 --> 00:17:09,074 come running up to us and they said, 362 00:17:09,148 --> 00:17:11,938 "We're playing this game and I was on somebody's back 363 00:17:12,023 --> 00:17:15,073 and we saw a man run out of your yard." 364 00:17:15,148 --> 00:17:16,478 We were like, "What?" 365 00:17:17,774 --> 00:17:20,694 So we went, we got deadbolts, where you put the key in 366 00:17:20,774 --> 00:17:23,484 for the front door and the garage door. 367 00:17:23,565 --> 00:17:25,355 We put this nail at the top 368 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,820 so you could lock the slider and it can't go. 369 00:17:28,899 --> 00:17:31,229 And he had cased the place, 370 00:17:31,315 --> 00:17:34,605 he knew to lift the glass up out of the back window. 371 00:17:36,107 --> 00:17:39,647 (CRICKETS CHIRPING) 372 00:17:41,399 --> 00:17:42,979 LINDA: It was a Friday night, 373 00:17:43,065 --> 00:17:47,225 it was probably after 1:00, closer to 2:00. 374 00:17:47,315 --> 00:17:51,015 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 375 00:17:51,107 --> 00:17:53,187 Door opens, flashlight. 376 00:17:54,607 --> 00:17:55,857 Mumbling. 377 00:17:56,774 --> 00:17:58,524 Uh, "I have a gun." 378 00:17:58,607 --> 00:18:00,567 And I'm still thinking... 379 00:18:00,649 --> 00:18:03,319 "Am I dreaming? Am I-- Is this really happening?" 380 00:18:07,190 --> 00:18:10,150 And before I knew it, he threw some ties at me 381 00:18:10,232 --> 00:18:12,732 and he says, "Tie your husband up." 382 00:18:12,816 --> 00:18:16,106 And so, he asked him to flip over onto his stomach 383 00:18:16,190 --> 00:18:19,980 and hogtied him and I did, and I didn't tie him tight. 384 00:18:20,065 --> 00:18:23,225 And then he tied me behind my back, 385 00:18:23,315 --> 00:18:26,265 on my stomach, and my ankles hogtied, 386 00:18:26,357 --> 00:18:28,767 and I remember turning my jewelry around, 387 00:18:28,857 --> 00:18:31,357 I'm thinkin' it's gonna be a robbery. 388 00:18:32,941 --> 00:18:37,021 And so, then he re-tied my husband twice as tight. 389 00:18:37,107 --> 00:18:38,727 And then he leaves the room. 390 00:18:40,190 --> 00:18:41,940 We're kind of whispering to each other, 391 00:18:42,023 --> 00:18:44,323 we're like, "What's going on?" 392 00:18:44,399 --> 00:18:46,649 He had a ski mask on the whole time. 393 00:18:48,774 --> 00:18:51,154 He's just walkin' around the house like he owns it. 394 00:18:51,232 --> 00:18:53,862 I could hear him open the refrigerator. 395 00:18:53,941 --> 00:18:56,691 He gets a beer, and he's drinkin' a beer. 396 00:18:58,607 --> 00:19:00,017 He grabbed dishes. 397 00:19:00,107 --> 00:19:02,017 He grabbed plates and bowls 398 00:19:02,107 --> 00:19:04,267 and he put them on my husband's back. 399 00:19:04,357 --> 00:19:07,187 And he told him if he heard those bowls moving, 400 00:19:07,273 --> 00:19:09,483 he was gonna cut his ear off. 401 00:19:14,107 --> 00:19:19,147 He put a blindfold over me and he said, "Follow me." 402 00:19:19,232 --> 00:19:21,232 I'm going down the hallway, 403 00:19:21,315 --> 00:19:23,225 and I remember staying close to the side, 404 00:19:23,315 --> 00:19:26,065 I'm thinking, "I don't want him to see my body." 405 00:19:26,148 --> 00:19:29,268 And I went, "Oh, my God, I'm gonna be raped." 406 00:19:32,816 --> 00:19:34,856 He took me into the family room, 407 00:19:34,941 --> 00:19:37,441 and he tells me to lay on the floor. 408 00:19:38,732 --> 00:19:41,822 He goes into the guest bedroom and he got a towel 409 00:19:41,899 --> 00:19:44,649 and he rips it in half and he puts it over the TV, 410 00:19:44,732 --> 00:19:47,772 but then he puts the TV on so that there's light coming in, 411 00:19:47,857 --> 00:19:49,147 but not too much. 412 00:19:49,232 --> 00:19:53,442 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 413 00:19:55,399 --> 00:19:57,519 As he was raping me, I had a knife to my throat, 414 00:19:57,607 --> 00:19:59,397 pushed up against my neck. 415 00:19:59,482 --> 00:20:01,982 And I just kept saying, "Oh, please don't hurt me. 416 00:20:02,065 --> 00:20:03,225 Please don't hurt me." 417 00:20:03,315 --> 00:20:04,515 And I didn't hardly move, 418 00:20:04,607 --> 00:20:07,437 I was like, I'm going to stay as still as possible. 419 00:20:10,732 --> 00:20:12,732 He was in the house for a while. 420 00:20:12,816 --> 00:20:14,606 He drank another beer. 421 00:20:14,691 --> 00:20:16,521 I-- I could smell that. 422 00:20:16,607 --> 00:20:18,687 He asked for where my wallet was. 423 00:20:18,774 --> 00:20:21,694 He was going through, taking things out. 424 00:20:21,774 --> 00:20:24,114 He came back and he says, "Take off your jewelry," 425 00:20:24,190 --> 00:20:25,820 and I couldn't get it off my hand. 426 00:20:25,899 --> 00:20:28,319 And he says, "I'll cut your finger off, 427 00:20:28,399 --> 00:20:30,189 I don't care. I want your jewelry." 428 00:20:30,273 --> 00:20:32,943 And so I said, "Get some lotion or get some soap." 429 00:20:33,023 --> 00:20:35,193 So he went and got me some lotion, 430 00:20:35,273 --> 00:20:39,983 and I took off my wedding band and my engagement ring. 431 00:20:40,065 --> 00:20:42,645 And I remember being cold on the floor. 432 00:20:48,565 --> 00:20:51,185 Finally, it seemed quiet. 433 00:20:51,273 --> 00:20:55,273 So I got up and I'm still tied, and I go into the bedroom 434 00:20:55,357 --> 00:20:58,477 and I talk to my husband and I ask him how he's doing 435 00:20:58,565 --> 00:21:00,725 and he's like, "Oh, you've just got to get help. 436 00:21:00,816 --> 00:21:03,066 I-- I can't feel my hands. They're totally numb. 437 00:21:03,148 --> 00:21:05,728 I have no circulation." 438 00:21:05,816 --> 00:21:08,726 And I'm thinking, "How do I get out of this house?" 439 00:21:08,816 --> 00:21:12,106 So I go into the kitchen and I'm trying to get the... 440 00:21:12,190 --> 00:21:14,440 the restraints off me, and I'm trying to cut 'em 441 00:21:14,524 --> 00:21:16,274 and I'm trying to saw 'em, and it-- 442 00:21:16,357 --> 00:21:17,897 and I-- and I'm also thinking, 443 00:21:17,982 --> 00:21:20,232 "Oh, God, is he gonna come back in the house? 444 00:21:20,315 --> 00:21:22,645 Is he really gone or is he hiding?" 445 00:21:22,732 --> 00:21:27,022 So, all of a sudden, the family room drapes moved. 446 00:21:28,273 --> 00:21:29,863 A breeze came in. 447 00:21:30,524 --> 00:21:32,444 So I ran over 448 00:21:32,524 --> 00:21:35,524 and I put my shoulder and I moved the sliding door. 449 00:21:35,607 --> 00:21:39,687 And I went along the concrete up to the front gate, 450 00:21:40,649 --> 00:21:41,819 I moved the gate. 451 00:21:41,899 --> 00:21:44,069 I'm totally naked from the waist down. 452 00:21:44,148 --> 00:21:46,148 I-- Just my breasts are being covered. 453 00:21:46,232 --> 00:21:47,862 And I went to a neighbor's house. 454 00:21:47,941 --> 00:21:50,651 (DOG BARKING) 455 00:21:50,732 --> 00:21:52,572 And I ring the doorbell. 456 00:21:55,857 --> 00:21:58,107 They're looking at me and the husband comes down 457 00:21:58,190 --> 00:22:00,360 and he sees that I'm, you know, naked, 458 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,610 and he grabs his wife's jacket, puts it on me, 459 00:22:03,691 --> 00:22:05,401 and I said, "I've just been raped. 460 00:22:05,482 --> 00:22:07,022 And my husband's tied up." 461 00:22:09,065 --> 00:22:10,145 He got a gun, 462 00:22:10,232 --> 00:22:12,572 he told his wife to call the police, 463 00:22:12,649 --> 00:22:13,939 "Stay here." 464 00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:17,730 And then I waited for the police to come. 465 00:22:17,816 --> 00:22:21,646 And they came, they took me back to the house. 466 00:22:21,732 --> 00:22:24,072 Carol Daly was a female detective 467 00:22:24,148 --> 00:22:27,438 who I was so grateful that she was there at that time. 468 00:22:27,524 --> 00:22:29,154 Everybody else was men, 469 00:22:29,232 --> 00:22:30,982 and she was the only woman in the group. 470 00:22:31,065 --> 00:22:33,105 And that was-- that was a nice feeling. 471 00:22:33,190 --> 00:22:34,820 We have information that he... 472 00:22:34,899 --> 00:22:36,769 LINDA: She got me to the hospital. 473 00:22:36,857 --> 00:22:38,647 And she said, "You're okay, honey." 474 00:22:38,732 --> 00:22:40,272 She said, "I think you're in shock." 475 00:22:40,357 --> 00:22:41,977 So she's kind of, like, being a mother to me. 476 00:22:42,065 --> 00:22:44,105 She says, "You take as much time," 477 00:22:44,190 --> 00:22:47,360 and we talked about it. Went back home. 478 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,520 Basically, I went in and I said to my husband, 479 00:22:49,607 --> 00:22:50,897 "Do you wanna-- do you wanna hear-- 480 00:22:50,982 --> 00:22:53,362 know what happened?" He goes, "I know what happened." 481 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,230 And he said, "I don't want to talk about it." 482 00:22:55,315 --> 00:22:57,265 He said, "I got rid of your pajamas 483 00:22:57,357 --> 00:22:59,517 and you don't have to see those anymore." 484 00:22:59,607 --> 00:23:00,937 And I said, "Okay." 485 00:23:02,273 --> 00:23:05,403 I don't think a lot of men knew how to deal with it, 486 00:23:05,482 --> 00:23:07,272 to be honest. 487 00:23:07,357 --> 00:23:09,517 I don't think-- I don't-- 488 00:23:09,607 --> 00:23:12,647 I know that he cared and he felt terrible, 489 00:23:12,732 --> 00:23:15,862 but I don't think he wanted to relive it either. 490 00:23:15,941 --> 00:23:17,901 He's basically, "We don't talk about it. 491 00:23:17,982 --> 00:23:19,442 It's gone away." 492 00:23:21,315 --> 00:23:24,225 MICHELLE: I think this kind of crime was just... 493 00:23:24,315 --> 00:23:26,105 very ripe for the '70s 494 00:23:26,190 --> 00:23:28,900 because there's, um... 495 00:23:28,982 --> 00:23:30,902 How many people did not call the police 496 00:23:30,982 --> 00:23:32,822 who saw something suspicious is crazy. 497 00:23:32,899 --> 00:23:34,899 And that would not happen today. 498 00:23:34,982 --> 00:23:36,732 Had you had anybody-- 499 00:23:36,816 --> 00:23:38,566 any neighbors mention anybody weird 500 00:23:38,649 --> 00:23:40,229 around the neighborhood or anything like that? 501 00:23:40,315 --> 00:23:42,265 -Do you remember? -FIONA WILLIAMS: No. 502 00:23:42,357 --> 00:23:44,397 We were very aware of it. 503 00:23:44,482 --> 00:23:47,482 But it was in East Sacramento. 504 00:23:47,565 --> 00:23:51,765 So we were sympathetic to-- but not alarmed 505 00:23:51,857 --> 00:23:54,437 because we're not his side of town. 506 00:23:54,524 --> 00:23:57,694 You know he picked us partly for the location of the house. 507 00:23:57,774 --> 00:23:59,984 -MICHELLE: Mm-hmm. -FIONA: Right by the freeway, 508 00:24:00,065 --> 00:24:02,605 -empty lot behind us. -MICHELLE: Empty field, right. 509 00:24:02,691 --> 00:24:03,821 FIONA: All of that. 510 00:24:03,899 --> 00:24:08,069 And of course, they asked us about strange cars... 511 00:24:08,148 --> 00:24:10,568 MICHELLE: I mean, so when-- when-- Did you have-- 512 00:24:10,649 --> 00:24:13,479 did you feel in your heart when this is happening 513 00:24:13,565 --> 00:24:14,815 this was a stranger? 514 00:24:14,899 --> 00:24:17,189 That this was not someone that you knew? 515 00:24:17,273 --> 00:24:19,073 -FIONA: Oh, yeah. -MICHELLE: You did? 516 00:24:19,148 --> 00:24:20,938 You thought, "This is the East Area Rapist." 517 00:24:21,023 --> 00:24:22,733 -FIONA: Which makes me-- Yeah. -MICHELLE: Yeah. 518 00:24:24,065 --> 00:24:26,265 I knew it was the guy then. 519 00:24:26,357 --> 00:24:30,187 I mean, by that time, this was attack 22. 520 00:24:33,649 --> 00:24:36,609 My husband and I, we were in our bedroom. 521 00:24:36,691 --> 00:24:39,611 We were starting to fool around, 522 00:24:39,691 --> 00:24:42,821 -we hear a scratching. -MICHELLE: Right. 523 00:24:44,565 --> 00:24:47,815 The EAR was a man of few words, 524 00:24:47,899 --> 00:24:51,979 and mostly the same, as I would come to read, 525 00:24:52,065 --> 00:24:53,265 over time. 526 00:24:53,357 --> 00:24:55,567 He did indeed have a script. 527 00:24:56,857 --> 00:25:01,567 What he said to us and mostly routinely was, 528 00:25:01,649 --> 00:25:04,939 "I just want money and food, and then I'll be gone." 529 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:15,520 My son was three years old. 530 00:25:15,607 --> 00:25:21,267 He woke up as I was being blindfold-led down the hall. 531 00:25:22,941 --> 00:25:26,271 EAR told him to get back in his room. 532 00:25:29,941 --> 00:25:33,611 When he took me into the living room for the assault, 533 00:25:33,691 --> 00:25:35,901 I remember saying to him, 534 00:25:35,982 --> 00:25:38,022 "Why are you doing this?" 535 00:25:38,107 --> 00:25:39,977 And he said, "Shut up." 536 00:25:40,065 --> 00:25:43,515 And I said, "I'm sorry." (LAUGHS) 537 00:25:43,607 --> 00:25:45,437 This is... 538 00:25:45,524 --> 00:25:48,524 This is how women were in the '70s and the olden times. 539 00:25:48,607 --> 00:25:51,517 I said, "I'm sorry." And he said, "Shut up," again. 540 00:25:51,607 --> 00:25:54,607 And that was the longest conversation I had with him, 541 00:25:54,691 --> 00:25:59,651 except at the end when he gave me the instructions about 542 00:25:59,732 --> 00:26:03,482 you know, tell the pigs I have television. 543 00:26:03,565 --> 00:26:05,605 MICHELLE: Wow. God. 544 00:26:07,982 --> 00:26:10,732 He didn't want it to be on TV 545 00:26:10,816 --> 00:26:13,816 and if it was on TV, he'd kill two people, 546 00:26:13,899 --> 00:26:16,399 but then I believe he told my husband 547 00:26:16,482 --> 00:26:18,022 it had to be on TV. 548 00:26:18,107 --> 00:26:24,067 He was constantly playing these silly games with people. 549 00:26:24,148 --> 00:26:29,688 He had told the victims of the attack just before us 550 00:26:29,774 --> 00:26:32,404 that he was going to kill the next two people, 551 00:26:32,482 --> 00:26:34,652 which would have been us. 552 00:26:37,816 --> 00:26:40,896 Sometime after the attack, my husband managed 553 00:26:40,982 --> 00:26:43,822 to get our phone re-connected in the bedroom, 554 00:26:43,899 --> 00:26:46,519 that was on the nightstand, and he called-- 555 00:26:46,607 --> 00:26:48,647 in those days, you still called the operator. 556 00:26:49,273 --> 00:26:51,733 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 557 00:26:53,482 --> 00:26:57,572 Of course, uniformed officers came first. 558 00:26:57,649 --> 00:26:59,319 When I could see again, 559 00:26:59,399 --> 00:27:02,439 when the uniformed officer took off... 560 00:27:02,524 --> 00:27:06,114 one of the first things I saw was that on my formal couch, 561 00:27:06,190 --> 00:27:10,690 the EAR had laid out three or four of my dresses. 562 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,110 And I do mean laid out. 563 00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:15,820 Not vandalized or thrown about. 564 00:27:15,899 --> 00:27:17,609 They were just laying there. 565 00:27:17,691 --> 00:27:21,231 And I remember very vividly because I was so surprised, 566 00:27:21,315 --> 00:27:23,855 I was not expecting to see that. 567 00:27:25,524 --> 00:27:26,944 I said to the officer, 568 00:27:27,023 --> 00:27:30,233 "The East Area Rapist is now the South Area Rapist." 569 00:27:33,941 --> 00:27:35,981 CAROL THORPE: The worst thing is not knowing. 570 00:27:36,065 --> 00:27:38,725 Not knowing when the rapist will strike again. 571 00:27:38,816 --> 00:27:41,186 Not knowing if you'll be his next victim. 572 00:27:41,273 --> 00:27:44,113 All you can do is take every possible precaution 573 00:27:44,190 --> 00:27:46,190 and then hope that he gets caught 574 00:27:46,273 --> 00:27:47,653 before he gets to you. 575 00:27:47,732 --> 00:27:50,982 I'm sleeping with my husband's hunting knife under the pillow. 576 00:27:51,065 --> 00:27:53,185 We don't go to sleep very well at night. 577 00:27:53,273 --> 00:27:54,773 We go around and lock everything up 578 00:27:54,857 --> 00:27:56,317 as tightly as we can. 579 00:27:56,399 --> 00:27:58,689 As of tonight, the East Area Rapist 580 00:27:58,774 --> 00:28:01,324 has struck on the average once every two weeks, 581 00:28:01,399 --> 00:28:03,819 sometimes every two days, sometimes a week apart, 582 00:28:03,899 --> 00:28:05,819 sometimes three or four weeks apart. 583 00:28:05,899 --> 00:28:08,069 Everybody in Sacramento was terrified. 584 00:28:08,148 --> 00:28:10,478 MALE REPORTER 2: Each night, they patrol the neighborhoods 585 00:28:10,565 --> 00:28:12,815 of Sacramento County's east side, 586 00:28:12,899 --> 00:28:16,609 and hundreds of other volunteers reportedly are doing the same. 587 00:28:16,691 --> 00:28:19,361 They call themselves the EARS Patrol. 588 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,610 "EARS," short for East Area Rapist Surveillance. 589 00:28:22,691 --> 00:28:24,611 THORPE: People complain that after all this time, 590 00:28:24,691 --> 00:28:27,361 the police should've been able to catch the East Area Rapist. 591 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:28,480 I think that the reason 592 00:28:28,565 --> 00:28:30,185 there hasn't been something done about it 593 00:28:30,273 --> 00:28:32,403 is because it's a crime against women. 594 00:28:32,482 --> 00:28:36,612 We had officers off duty on their own time 595 00:28:36,691 --> 00:28:38,861 going out and working the streets. 596 00:28:38,941 --> 00:28:42,231 It's the first time the so-called East Area Rapist has struck here 597 00:28:42,315 --> 00:28:44,725 in the Foothill Farms area of Sacramento. 598 00:28:44,816 --> 00:28:48,226 -One in Stockton. The total: 25. -(ALARM BLARING) 599 00:28:48,315 --> 00:28:50,435 MALE REPORTER 3: Local burglar alarm distributors 600 00:28:50,524 --> 00:28:52,404 report a run on alarm systems. 601 00:28:52,482 --> 00:28:54,322 I don't like it. It's getting too close to home. 602 00:28:54,399 --> 00:28:56,519 We were giving safety classes for women, 603 00:28:56,607 --> 00:28:58,397 how to protect themselves, what to look for. 604 00:28:58,482 --> 00:29:00,402 CHET HANCOCK: It was about 10:00 last night 605 00:29:00,482 --> 00:29:02,362 when the rapist kicked in the door. 606 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:03,690 She becomes the eighth teenager 607 00:29:03,774 --> 00:29:05,864 on the list of some 33 victims. 608 00:29:05,941 --> 00:29:08,191 The 39th attack of the East Area Rapist 609 00:29:08,273 --> 00:29:10,943 took place in this very nice middle-class neighborhood. 610 00:29:11,023 --> 00:29:12,903 MELANIE: There were days where I didn't go to sleep 611 00:29:12,982 --> 00:29:14,232 until the sun rose. 612 00:29:14,315 --> 00:29:16,565 We had tambourines on the windows and doors 613 00:29:16,649 --> 00:29:18,729 so we could hear people enter. 614 00:29:18,816 --> 00:29:20,726 Ideally speaking, the potential victim 615 00:29:20,816 --> 00:29:24,226 is supposed to ward off her attacker with this device. 616 00:29:24,315 --> 00:29:28,185 It just was an insane time in Sacramento. 617 00:29:28,273 --> 00:29:29,573 The attacks, two of them, 618 00:29:29,649 --> 00:29:31,859 one last Saturday, and then again early today, 619 00:29:31,941 --> 00:29:33,571 occurred within a few blocks of each other 620 00:29:33,649 --> 00:29:35,149 in the Ignacio Valley area of Concord. 621 00:29:35,232 --> 00:29:37,232 -(OVERLAPPING CHATTER) -REPORTER 1: ...happening in Fremont... 622 00:29:37,315 --> 00:29:39,145 -REPORTER 2: ...in Modesto... -REPORTER 3: ...her home in Contra Costa County. 623 00:29:39,232 --> 00:29:41,442 FEMALE REPORTER: The only thing we really know about the East Area Rapist 624 00:29:41,524 --> 00:29:42,774 is that he's a pro. 625 00:29:42,857 --> 00:29:45,267 He's been at this for four years now 626 00:29:45,357 --> 00:29:48,727 and still nobody even knows what he looks like. 627 00:29:57,273 --> 00:29:58,523 MICHELLE: Alice? 628 00:30:01,691 --> 00:30:04,191 Alice, will you do an imitation of Daddy? 629 00:30:09,023 --> 00:30:11,073 I have a nightly ritual with Alice, 630 00:30:11,148 --> 00:30:13,568 who is a troubled sleeper. 631 00:30:13,649 --> 00:30:15,819 (COMPUTER KEYS CLACKING) 632 00:30:17,023 --> 00:30:19,323 Every night before falling asleep, 633 00:30:19,399 --> 00:30:21,819 she'll call out for me to come into her bedroom. 634 00:30:21,899 --> 00:30:24,689 "I don't want to have a dream," she says. 635 00:30:24,774 --> 00:30:28,574 I brush her sandy hair back and put my hand on her forehead, 636 00:30:28,649 --> 00:30:31,729 and look straight into her big brown eyes. 637 00:30:31,816 --> 00:30:34,106 "You are not going to have a dream," 638 00:30:34,190 --> 00:30:37,610 I tell her with crisp, confident enunciation. 639 00:30:37,691 --> 00:30:41,571 Her body releases its tension, and she goes to sleep. 640 00:30:42,315 --> 00:30:44,765 (READS) 641 00:30:49,399 --> 00:30:52,609 We make well-intentioned promises of protection 642 00:30:52,691 --> 00:30:53,981 we can't always keep. 643 00:30:54,065 --> 00:30:56,855 -"I'll look out for you." -WOMAN 1: (SCREAMING) No! 644 00:30:56,941 --> 00:30:58,611 MICHELLE: But then you hear a scream, 645 00:30:58,691 --> 00:31:01,361 and you decide it's some teenagers playing around. 646 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,110 A young man jumping a fence is taking a shortcut. 647 00:31:04,190 --> 00:31:06,520 -(GUNSHOT ECHOES) -The gunshot at 3:00 a.m. 648 00:31:06,607 --> 00:31:09,567 is a firecracker or a car backfiring. 649 00:31:09,649 --> 00:31:12,189 You sit up in bed for a startled moment. 650 00:31:12,273 --> 00:31:15,073 Awaiting you is the cold hard floor 651 00:31:15,148 --> 00:31:18,018 and a conversation that may lead nowhere. 652 00:31:18,107 --> 00:31:20,857 You collapse onto your warm pillow 653 00:31:20,941 --> 00:31:22,771 and turn back to sleep. 654 00:31:23,565 --> 00:31:25,605 Sirens wake you later. 655 00:31:32,649 --> 00:31:34,019 We always joke that... 656 00:31:34,107 --> 00:31:37,437 -we must've both been blind. -We're still blind. (CHUCKLES) 657 00:31:37,524 --> 00:31:39,824 'Cause we've been together 40 plus years. 658 00:31:39,899 --> 00:31:41,859 GAY HARDWICK: It was a blind date. 659 00:31:41,941 --> 00:31:44,521 And then, uh, just... 660 00:31:44,607 --> 00:31:47,317 After that, we were pretty inseparable, huh? 661 00:31:47,399 --> 00:31:48,439 Yeah. 662 00:31:48,816 --> 00:31:50,606 Yeah. 663 00:31:50,691 --> 00:31:55,321 We purchased, uh, a house together in Stockton. 664 00:31:56,565 --> 00:31:58,895 That was-- that was the bad house though. 665 00:31:58,982 --> 00:32:01,112 GAY: Yeah, I cried the day we bought that house, 666 00:32:01,190 --> 00:32:04,610 and I think that was foretelling, actually. 667 00:32:04,691 --> 00:32:07,571 Anyway, we could have stayed there very happily. 668 00:32:07,649 --> 00:32:09,899 It was in a cute little neighborhood, 669 00:32:09,982 --> 00:32:13,572 um, the house was big enough to have a small family, 670 00:32:13,649 --> 00:32:16,439 but as, you know, things would work out, 671 00:32:16,524 --> 00:32:18,114 we couldn't stay there. 672 00:32:20,816 --> 00:32:24,856 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 673 00:32:29,148 --> 00:32:33,688 GAY: We were awakened by a voice and a bright light. 674 00:32:35,691 --> 00:32:40,731 That's pretty typical of-- of what happened, 675 00:32:40,816 --> 00:32:43,186 and that's what happened to us as well. 676 00:32:44,857 --> 00:32:49,187 It was a real sense of... of evil in the house. 677 00:32:51,857 --> 00:32:52,937 I sensed... 678 00:32:53,023 --> 00:32:56,523 every hair follicle on my being 679 00:32:56,607 --> 00:32:58,017 stand up... 680 00:33:00,899 --> 00:33:05,149 and I understood what it meant to have your skin crawl. 681 00:33:05,232 --> 00:33:09,272 ♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 682 00:33:09,357 --> 00:33:11,817 The more uncomfortable he could make me feel, 683 00:33:11,899 --> 00:33:14,069 seemed to be the happier he was. 684 00:33:16,899 --> 00:33:19,109 And he said I was beautiful, 685 00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:21,520 bound and blindfolded and... 686 00:33:22,482 --> 00:33:23,572 shaking. 687 00:33:24,649 --> 00:33:26,899 At times, I couldn't tell if he was crying 688 00:33:27,524 --> 00:33:29,984 or if he was giggling 689 00:33:30,065 --> 00:33:33,395 like someone who's hysterical might be. 690 00:33:36,774 --> 00:33:38,524 He would get silent 691 00:33:39,691 --> 00:33:41,571 and I would hope, 692 00:33:42,357 --> 00:33:43,857 "Okay, maybe he's gone." 693 00:33:45,732 --> 00:33:48,612 And... then I'd hear him again. 694 00:33:49,816 --> 00:33:51,316 I had no concept of time. 695 00:33:51,399 --> 00:33:55,979 It just seemed like I was in bed bound for an eternity. 696 00:33:56,065 --> 00:33:59,355 I had no idea if it was two hours or ten hours. 697 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,860 It went on for a couple hours of coming and going, 698 00:34:02,941 --> 00:34:04,521 and, you know, coming back 699 00:34:04,607 --> 00:34:07,437 and, you know, torturing me some more. 700 00:34:10,023 --> 00:34:12,943 Eventually, after about 40 minutes 701 00:34:13,023 --> 00:34:14,943 of not hearing anything, 702 00:34:17,941 --> 00:34:18,981 he was gone. 703 00:34:23,232 --> 00:34:25,692 And then it was, well, this, you know, 704 00:34:25,774 --> 00:34:27,444 this is not over yet. 705 00:34:28,315 --> 00:34:29,895 And... 706 00:34:29,982 --> 00:34:32,112 that started phase two... (CHUCKLES) 707 00:34:32,190 --> 00:34:36,020 ...of, you know, what goes on after an attack. 708 00:34:37,816 --> 00:34:40,856 ♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 709 00:34:44,857 --> 00:34:46,017 (CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS) 710 00:34:46,107 --> 00:34:49,517 GAY: There you are, um... 711 00:34:50,774 --> 00:34:54,024 bound, incapacitated, 712 00:34:55,148 --> 00:34:56,568 in shock. 713 00:34:56,649 --> 00:34:58,229 (CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS) 714 00:34:58,315 --> 00:35:02,475 And now there are four more men in the room that you don't know. 715 00:35:03,899 --> 00:35:06,229 To have somebody else sit down next to you 716 00:35:06,315 --> 00:35:08,855 while you're still unclothed 717 00:35:08,941 --> 00:35:11,901 and, you know, take out a knife and... 718 00:35:12,732 --> 00:35:14,942 have to cut the bindings off 719 00:35:15,023 --> 00:35:18,573 was, um... scary, too. 720 00:35:18,649 --> 00:35:20,019 It was scary, too. 721 00:35:21,691 --> 00:35:24,191 We were very quickly inundated 722 00:35:24,273 --> 00:35:27,943 with, uh, crime scene investigators 723 00:35:28,023 --> 00:35:31,073 and more police officers 724 00:35:31,148 --> 00:35:34,898 and, uh, fingerprint technicians. 725 00:35:36,107 --> 00:35:39,687 We were just, um, a piece of evidence in our own home. 726 00:35:41,107 --> 00:35:45,267 I wasn't allowed to, uh, use the restroom. 727 00:35:45,357 --> 00:35:49,017 And... I remember getting up to reach for my robe 728 00:35:49,107 --> 00:35:53,147 and being, you know, stopped-- "What are you doing?" you know, 729 00:35:53,232 --> 00:35:55,482 "Where do you think-- where do you think you're going?" 730 00:35:55,565 --> 00:35:58,725 (LAUGHS) And it's, like, I just want to cover up myself. 731 00:35:59,565 --> 00:36:00,895 As time went on, 732 00:36:00,982 --> 00:36:03,272 they didn't have anyone to take me to the hospital. 733 00:36:03,357 --> 00:36:05,477 I think the protocol was that they would have 734 00:36:05,565 --> 00:36:07,935 a female officer, but they didn't have any. 735 00:36:08,023 --> 00:36:10,483 I blocked all that out years ago. 736 00:36:10,565 --> 00:36:14,105 I don't remember it like her, but... 737 00:36:14,190 --> 00:36:17,020 my defense mechanisms are block everything out. 738 00:36:18,232 --> 00:36:19,982 (CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS) 739 00:36:20,065 --> 00:36:24,315 GAY: That whole aftermath goes on and... 740 00:36:24,399 --> 00:36:26,939 you end up in a county hospital 741 00:36:27,023 --> 00:36:31,233 where, again, you have to meet with strangers 742 00:36:31,315 --> 00:36:35,855 who are going to examine and probe and, you know, 743 00:36:35,941 --> 00:36:38,821 you just really would like to be alone. 744 00:36:38,899 --> 00:36:43,109 You'd really like to take charge of your being again, 745 00:36:43,941 --> 00:36:45,231 but you can't. 746 00:36:46,649 --> 00:36:50,439 And you know that you really mustn't 747 00:36:50,524 --> 00:36:54,984 if you want the person to be caught. 748 00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,610 Daylight finally came 749 00:36:59,691 --> 00:37:02,271 about the time I was taken back to the house. 750 00:37:04,607 --> 00:37:06,437 And they were wrapping up there. 751 00:37:08,232 --> 00:37:09,442 Our house was... 752 00:37:10,565 --> 00:37:12,475 -BOB HARDWICK: A wreck. (LAUGHS) -GAY: ...a wreck. 753 00:37:13,941 --> 00:37:17,021 We had just had it painted that week. 754 00:37:17,107 --> 00:37:19,147 All of the newly enameled woodwork 755 00:37:19,232 --> 00:37:23,022 was covered with graphite fingerprinting material. 756 00:37:26,148 --> 00:37:29,478 It looked a lot like a smoke bomb had gone off. 757 00:37:33,023 --> 00:37:34,443 Uh, it was-- it was just-- 758 00:37:34,524 --> 00:37:37,364 Everything felt contaminated in that house. 759 00:37:38,482 --> 00:37:40,322 And it never felt the same. 760 00:37:50,273 --> 00:37:53,983 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 761 00:37:55,565 --> 00:37:58,225 Right as we get up here, you can look over to the right 762 00:37:58,315 --> 00:38:00,065 and you'll see the American River. 763 00:38:00,148 --> 00:38:02,268 -This was a main thoroughfare at the time. -MICHELLE: Mm-hmm. 764 00:38:02,357 --> 00:38:03,767 MELANIE: And I'll take you to number two. 765 00:38:03,857 --> 00:38:05,607 MICHELLE: But this is where people run and do biking? 766 00:38:05,691 --> 00:38:07,731 MELANIE: This is where-- the bicycle trails and all that, 767 00:38:07,816 --> 00:38:10,106 this green belt would be where he was going 768 00:38:10,190 --> 00:38:11,770 from one point to one point. 769 00:38:11,857 --> 00:38:13,607 We often thought he could've had a boat 770 00:38:13,691 --> 00:38:15,401 -that he was taking to and from. -MICHELLE: Mm-hmm. 771 00:38:15,482 --> 00:38:17,232 What I'm struck by in Rancho Cordova is 772 00:38:17,315 --> 00:38:20,475 I would think that he had to do so much surveillance. 773 00:38:20,565 --> 00:38:22,565 -MELANIE: He did a lot. -MICHELLE: But-- But it-- you-- 774 00:38:22,649 --> 00:38:24,229 MELANIE: He fit in, obviously. 775 00:38:24,315 --> 00:38:25,475 MICHELLE: Yeah. 776 00:38:27,691 --> 00:38:29,441 MELANIE: I really feel this area was chosen 777 00:38:29,524 --> 00:38:31,274 because he was comfortable in here 778 00:38:31,357 --> 00:38:34,767 and he, you know, knew the area well enough 779 00:38:34,857 --> 00:38:37,607 to get in and out as quickly as possible. 780 00:38:37,691 --> 00:38:40,731 Right around the corner, there is river access. 781 00:38:43,232 --> 00:38:46,822 Back in the '70s, the fog was way heavier 782 00:38:46,899 --> 00:38:49,189 than it is now and it was so thick 783 00:38:49,273 --> 00:38:51,613 that you couldn't see feet in front of you. 784 00:38:52,774 --> 00:38:55,404 The way he disappeared so quickly 785 00:38:55,482 --> 00:38:59,362 with nobody having the ability to track him. 786 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,900 Fog was a benefit to his escape as well. 787 00:39:10,649 --> 00:39:12,399 And it's a great place to stalk 788 00:39:12,482 --> 00:39:15,192 because you have access to all of the backyards 789 00:39:15,273 --> 00:39:17,983 where you could just walk right up to the fence 790 00:39:18,065 --> 00:39:19,435 and look over it like this 791 00:39:19,524 --> 00:39:22,904 and you can see everything that's going on in that house. 792 00:39:22,982 --> 00:39:26,772 A lot of these houses didn't have back fences at the time. 793 00:39:26,857 --> 00:39:29,817 You could be standing out in these bushes and be watching 794 00:39:29,899 --> 00:39:34,069 everything that's going on inside of people's homes. 795 00:39:34,148 --> 00:39:37,608 And in the evening, nobody's gonna notice you out here. 796 00:39:37,691 --> 00:39:40,111 Like, you know, back in the day, 797 00:39:40,190 --> 00:39:41,360 nobody would even think about 798 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:45,190 somebody being prowling around behind the scenes. 799 00:39:45,273 --> 00:39:51,023 I feel like he was in this area for great amounts of time. 800 00:39:51,107 --> 00:39:53,687 And probably knew all the young females 801 00:39:53,774 --> 00:39:55,574 that resided in each house. 802 00:39:56,565 --> 00:39:58,935 It makes you just, uh... 803 00:40:00,941 --> 00:40:06,071 This is the type of thing you have to, um, uh... 804 00:40:06,148 --> 00:40:08,728 really, you know, take care of yourself 805 00:40:08,816 --> 00:40:11,266 -or you'll-- It'll consume you. -MICHELLE: Right. 806 00:40:11,357 --> 00:40:14,107 MELANIE: 'Cause this is a really dark place to go. 807 00:40:16,357 --> 00:40:18,977 This can be very dark. 808 00:40:19,065 --> 00:40:22,685 ♪ (EERIE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 809 00:40:47,691 --> 00:40:48,981 (GLASS BREAKS) 810 00:40:50,732 --> 00:40:53,982 ♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 811 00:40:55,691 --> 00:40:59,111 MICHELLE: (READS) 812 00:40:59,190 --> 00:41:01,820 When my husband, trying not to awaken me, 813 00:41:01,899 --> 00:41:03,939 tiptoed into our bedroom one night, 814 00:41:04,023 --> 00:41:05,273 I leaped out of bed, 815 00:41:05,357 --> 00:41:09,357 grabbed my nightstand lamp, and swung it at his head. 816 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,360 Luckily, I missed. 817 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:12,860 When I saw the lamp overturned 818 00:41:12,941 --> 00:41:14,861 on the bedroom floor in the morning, 819 00:41:14,941 --> 00:41:17,941 I remember what I'd done and winced. 820 00:41:18,023 --> 00:41:20,573 Then, I resumed my Talmudic study 821 00:41:20,649 --> 00:41:23,069 of the East Area Rapist. 822 00:41:23,148 --> 00:41:25,568 She would have very, very vivid dreams. 823 00:41:25,649 --> 00:41:27,819 So when she would-- When I would wake her up, 824 00:41:27,899 --> 00:41:29,399 she'd be still half in the dream. 825 00:41:29,482 --> 00:41:32,152 Be like, "Oh, God, please, please." 826 00:41:32,232 --> 00:41:34,822 One time, she ran out of the back of the house, 827 00:41:34,899 --> 00:41:36,979 trying to get out of the house, and I'm like, 828 00:41:37,065 --> 00:41:39,565 "You are g-- what is-- you're gonna end up-- 829 00:41:39,649 --> 00:41:41,819 you're gonna run into the pool or something like that, 830 00:41:41,899 --> 00:41:44,149 or what are you do--" You know. It was just this-- 831 00:41:44,232 --> 00:41:46,692 But again, a very, very vivid, 832 00:41:46,774 --> 00:41:49,524 very, very present mind, and that was one of the-- 833 00:41:49,607 --> 00:41:52,767 I guess, one of the-- the costs of it. I don't know. 834 00:41:52,857 --> 00:41:54,107 (SHUDDERS) 835 00:41:58,399 --> 00:42:01,519 (SIGHS) This idea of the DIY detective, 836 00:42:01,607 --> 00:42:03,397 or these kind of digital sleuths, 837 00:42:03,482 --> 00:42:07,362 are essentially amateur obsessives 838 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,070 who congregate online. 839 00:42:10,148 --> 00:42:13,568 And there are anywhere from tens to hundreds 840 00:42:13,649 --> 00:42:15,019 to thousands of people 841 00:42:15,107 --> 00:42:17,687 who are essentially operating as this hive mind. 842 00:42:17,774 --> 00:42:19,404 MICHELLE: (OVER PHONE) Hey, Paul, it's Michelle. 843 00:42:19,482 --> 00:42:22,322 If you have time, I have a little research question 844 00:42:22,399 --> 00:42:26,189 that I would love answered, which is the following... 845 00:42:26,273 --> 00:42:29,523 NANCY: Michelle met Paul Haynes on this message board 846 00:42:29,607 --> 00:42:32,477 and he came on to really help with the research 847 00:42:32,565 --> 00:42:34,105 for the magazine article. 848 00:42:37,107 --> 00:42:39,397 Paul and Michelle were this perfect kind of team 849 00:42:39,482 --> 00:42:44,112 because she's like the lyrics and he's the tempo. 850 00:42:44,190 --> 00:42:47,110 He did incredible data mining. 851 00:42:48,982 --> 00:42:50,272 Something that was really important 852 00:42:50,357 --> 00:42:52,897 to Los Angeles Magazine, to me as an editor, to Michelle, 853 00:42:52,982 --> 00:42:54,402 and to anyone who's been tracking this case, 854 00:42:54,482 --> 00:42:56,612 is making sure that you got your facts straight. 855 00:42:56,691 --> 00:42:58,481 And we relied on Paul a lot. 856 00:42:58,565 --> 00:43:00,105 He would just go laser deep. 857 00:43:00,190 --> 00:43:01,570 And what Michelle could do 858 00:43:01,649 --> 00:43:04,479 was spin these stories in a really beautiful way. 859 00:43:04,565 --> 00:43:06,765 (CAR HORN HONKS) 860 00:43:06,857 --> 00:43:08,397 PAUL HAYNES: Just let me in. Jesus. 861 00:43:08,482 --> 00:43:09,482 What's the big deal? 862 00:43:09,565 --> 00:43:12,105 I just have no patience for stop and go traffic. 863 00:43:13,273 --> 00:43:15,233 Moving to LA was a big move for me 864 00:43:15,315 --> 00:43:17,475 after having spent the better part of a decade 865 00:43:17,565 --> 00:43:18,855 in Florida. 866 00:43:18,941 --> 00:43:23,151 But when Michelle invited me to be her research collaborator, 867 00:43:23,232 --> 00:43:24,732 it was a very exciting opportunity 868 00:43:24,816 --> 00:43:26,896 to be directly involved with this case 869 00:43:26,982 --> 00:43:28,772 and have my interest, 870 00:43:28,857 --> 00:43:31,817 which previously I'd been ashamed of 871 00:43:31,899 --> 00:43:35,149 and felt was impractical and odd, legitimized. 872 00:43:36,649 --> 00:43:38,109 I moved here in November, 873 00:43:38,190 --> 00:43:41,440 and she invited me to spend my first Thanksgiving in L.A. 874 00:43:41,524 --> 00:43:44,024 with her and Patton and their friends and family. 875 00:43:45,232 --> 00:43:46,982 SARAH STANARD: She liked to cook a lot. 876 00:43:47,065 --> 00:43:48,645 She really liked to cook. 877 00:43:48,732 --> 00:43:52,072 She was not a great cook, but she really tried. 878 00:43:52,148 --> 00:43:54,978 So much, so often. 879 00:43:55,065 --> 00:43:57,605 Um, she was-- she was, like, had the heart, 880 00:43:57,691 --> 00:43:59,691 you know what I mean? Like, she had the heart. 881 00:44:01,148 --> 00:44:03,518 That Thanksgiving, I probably did everything. 882 00:44:03,607 --> 00:44:05,977 In fact, I-- I know I did everything. 883 00:44:06,774 --> 00:44:08,234 She just had work to do. 884 00:44:08,315 --> 00:44:09,645 She was finishing the article, 885 00:44:09,732 --> 00:44:11,612 but she just really wanted it to be good, 886 00:44:11,691 --> 00:44:13,151 so she just went upstairs. 887 00:44:13,232 --> 00:44:15,022 Like, we had that kind of friendship, like... 888 00:44:15,107 --> 00:44:18,017 I just came in her house and I knew where everything was 889 00:44:18,107 --> 00:44:19,857 and I made dinner. 890 00:44:20,565 --> 00:44:21,935 MICHELLE: I was in a panic. 891 00:44:22,023 --> 00:44:24,403 We were hosting Thanksgiving, and the second draft 892 00:44:24,482 --> 00:44:27,652 of my 7,000-word story was due Tuesday. 893 00:44:27,732 --> 00:44:31,942 I'd sent out SOS emails, brief and frank pleas for help 894 00:44:32,023 --> 00:44:34,273 that I hoped would be understood. 895 00:44:34,357 --> 00:44:36,267 I wasn't myself, though. 896 00:44:36,357 --> 00:44:38,647 Impatience roiled. 897 00:44:38,732 --> 00:44:40,612 I made a bigger deal than I needed to 898 00:44:40,691 --> 00:44:43,651 that Patton bought an undersized turkey. 899 00:44:43,732 --> 00:44:45,022 But we understood that about each other, 900 00:44:45,107 --> 00:44:46,477 like, "Go have your time." 901 00:44:46,565 --> 00:44:48,315 You need hours and hours and hours 902 00:44:48,399 --> 00:44:49,609 to get to the deep stuff. 903 00:44:49,691 --> 00:44:51,361 You know, when you need-- when you-- 904 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,480 When someone says they need five hours to write, 905 00:44:53,565 --> 00:44:56,265 they need an hour to write, but they need the other hours 906 00:44:56,357 --> 00:44:59,857 to get down to those depths to start the writing. 907 00:44:59,941 --> 00:45:04,071 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 908 00:45:14,524 --> 00:45:16,024 MICHELLE: When I was a kid, 909 00:45:16,107 --> 00:45:19,937 my family bought a summer place on the shore of Lake Michigan. 910 00:45:22,273 --> 00:45:25,323 The first couple of summers, I didn't really know 911 00:45:25,399 --> 00:45:28,189 any of the other kids in the area. 912 00:45:28,273 --> 00:45:31,113 So I spent a lot of time on the couch, 913 00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:33,360 on the screened-in front porch, 914 00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,940 reading Agatha Christie novels. 915 00:45:37,816 --> 00:45:41,356 My interest in writing began on that porch. 916 00:45:44,482 --> 00:45:46,692 As a writer, you could lead a reader 917 00:45:46,774 --> 00:45:48,864 through the act of discovery. 918 00:45:53,565 --> 00:45:56,565 I was amazed that someone had constructed 919 00:45:56,649 --> 00:45:58,979 these intricate mysteries, 920 00:45:59,065 --> 00:46:01,565 that an actual human being, 921 00:46:01,649 --> 00:46:04,859 a woman, had plotted and twisted 922 00:46:04,941 --> 00:46:07,651 and carefully maintained curiosity 923 00:46:07,732 --> 00:46:10,862 so that you never knew who had done it 924 00:46:10,941 --> 00:46:12,941 until the very end. 925 00:46:19,565 --> 00:46:21,605 Yeah, it's-- it's just, there's so many... 926 00:46:21,691 --> 00:46:23,901 When you think of all the lives this guy ruined, 927 00:46:23,982 --> 00:46:26,732 and not just the victims, it just goes on and on and on. 928 00:46:26,816 --> 00:46:29,606 It's-- it's-- it's-- Exponentially, you know. 929 00:46:29,691 --> 00:46:31,441 -FIONA: Right. Right. -MICHELLE: Yeah. 930 00:46:31,524 --> 00:46:35,074 I've worked some really bad cases, 931 00:46:35,524 --> 00:46:36,734 and... 932 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,980 this series... 933 00:46:40,065 --> 00:46:44,225 affected me emotionally and mentally 934 00:46:44,315 --> 00:46:46,395 because there was no resolution. 935 00:46:47,065 --> 00:46:48,105 Everywhere I went, 936 00:46:48,190 --> 00:46:50,610 it's, "How come you guys haven't caught that guy?" 937 00:46:50,691 --> 00:46:52,771 There was a lot of-- I wouldn't call it hysteria, 938 00:46:52,857 --> 00:46:55,107 but gun sales went out the roof. 939 00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:57,940 Burglary rates went from 1,400 in a month down to 200. 940 00:46:58,023 --> 00:46:59,903 MALE REPORTER 2: Sacramento women who have never 941 00:46:59,982 --> 00:47:01,572 -fired a gun before... -(GUNSHOTS) 942 00:47:01,649 --> 00:47:04,319 ...are now learning how to shoot in larger and larger numbers. 943 00:47:04,399 --> 00:47:05,939 MALE REPORTER 3: Gun sales are way up, 944 00:47:06,023 --> 00:47:07,693 with some of the buyers not that familiar 945 00:47:07,774 --> 00:47:10,404 with how to use firearms, and that can be dangerous. 946 00:47:10,482 --> 00:47:12,982 We had one citizen that actually shot a person 947 00:47:13,065 --> 00:47:14,015 and killed him. 948 00:47:14,107 --> 00:47:16,767 And, um, when it came time, uh, 949 00:47:16,857 --> 00:47:18,897 for him to go to superior court, 950 00:47:18,982 --> 00:47:21,732 the judge said, "Anybody in the community 951 00:47:21,816 --> 00:47:23,816 at that time would have done the same thing." 952 00:47:23,899 --> 00:47:25,439 And they dropped the charges. 953 00:47:26,565 --> 00:47:28,765 Back in those days... (CLEARS THROAT) 954 00:47:28,857 --> 00:47:30,517 ...it was very, very... 955 00:47:31,565 --> 00:47:32,975 very difficult 956 00:47:33,065 --> 00:47:34,765 to get departments to work together. 957 00:47:34,857 --> 00:47:37,317 When the East Area Rapist left our jurisdiction 958 00:47:37,399 --> 00:47:38,859 and went into the city, 959 00:47:38,941 --> 00:47:40,691 then he went to Stockton and Modesto 960 00:47:40,774 --> 00:47:43,024 and started expanding, 961 00:47:43,107 --> 00:47:45,687 there was sort of a lack of communication 962 00:47:45,774 --> 00:47:46,904 between the agencies 963 00:47:46,982 --> 00:47:50,152 because "You guys couldn't catch him, we will." 964 00:47:50,232 --> 00:47:52,022 And that was the attitude. 965 00:47:52,107 --> 00:47:56,227 In two cases in my area, I was kicked out of the town, 966 00:47:56,315 --> 00:47:59,355 told they didn't need my help, didn't want my help. 967 00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,480 Two weeks later, they get hit again. 968 00:48:01,565 --> 00:48:05,225 Just because agencies didn't work together. 969 00:48:08,357 --> 00:48:11,517 I remember there was a day 970 00:48:11,607 --> 00:48:14,357 that I was on the phone 971 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,610 telling my friend what had happened. 972 00:48:18,357 --> 00:48:20,107 And my dad... 973 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,150 I guess had picked up the other line and heard me. 974 00:48:25,232 --> 00:48:30,482 And I got in a lot of trouble for telling anybody. 975 00:48:31,941 --> 00:48:33,021 And, um... 976 00:48:35,565 --> 00:48:37,975 and I-- I think at that moment, 977 00:48:39,315 --> 00:48:42,895 that would probably be the beginning feeling of shame. 978 00:48:42,982 --> 00:48:46,692 I felt shame, I felt like, "Did I wear something? 979 00:48:46,774 --> 00:48:48,484 How did he pick me out?" 980 00:48:50,482 --> 00:48:52,112 MELANIE: There was this thought 981 00:48:52,190 --> 00:48:55,440 that you were raped based on your beauty 982 00:48:55,524 --> 00:48:59,574 or your clothing or your action 983 00:48:59,649 --> 00:49:02,359 and not that something is wrong with the man 984 00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,730 that can't control these urges. 985 00:49:05,816 --> 00:49:07,566 This was something to do with him 986 00:49:07,649 --> 00:49:09,269 that had nothing to do 987 00:49:09,357 --> 00:49:10,977 with the woman who was his victim. 988 00:49:11,065 --> 00:49:13,105 And it was a time where... 989 00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:16,940 somehow, it always came back to being the woman's fault. 990 00:49:17,023 --> 00:49:18,653 FEMALE NARRATOR 2: The woman who allows herself 991 00:49:18,732 --> 00:49:21,362 to be seen undressing or partially clothed 992 00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,940 is the woman who invites trouble. 993 00:49:24,023 --> 00:49:25,983 Here again, we see lack of awareness, 994 00:49:26,065 --> 00:49:28,265 plus invitational behavior. 995 00:49:28,357 --> 00:49:30,567 MELANIE: You even had cops saying, you know, 996 00:49:30,649 --> 00:49:33,479 "Well, at least he got the pretty one of the sisters." 997 00:49:36,399 --> 00:49:40,109 That culture would never know how to ask the right questions 998 00:49:40,190 --> 00:49:43,270 or say the right things to a female victim. 999 00:49:43,357 --> 00:49:47,017 The law and procedure allowed at that time, 1000 00:49:47,107 --> 00:49:48,357 the late '70s, 1001 00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:52,480 that a rape victim could be routinely asked 1002 00:49:52,565 --> 00:49:56,015 to take a polygraph exam 1003 00:49:56,107 --> 00:49:58,067 or to see a psychiatrist. 1004 00:49:58,148 --> 00:50:02,478 When people find out about this violent attack, 1005 00:50:02,565 --> 00:50:04,185 it's like, "Well, 1006 00:50:04,273 --> 00:50:07,483 how did you get yourself into that position?" 1007 00:50:07,565 --> 00:50:10,725 Or, um, "Why didn't you somehow 1008 00:50:10,816 --> 00:50:13,476 get yourself out of that position?" 1009 00:50:13,565 --> 00:50:16,105 You know, even some of my best friends would... 1010 00:50:16,190 --> 00:50:18,150 like, "You couldn't do anything?" 1011 00:50:18,232 --> 00:50:19,732 You know what I mean? 1012 00:50:19,816 --> 00:50:21,566 (QUIETLY) Just couldn't do anything. 1013 00:50:24,107 --> 00:50:26,647 There wasn't anything to be done. 1014 00:50:26,732 --> 00:50:30,192 I couldn't have done anything if I'd had a gun on the, uh... 1015 00:50:30,273 --> 00:50:32,823 on the bed table, you know? You're just... 1016 00:50:32,899 --> 00:50:35,229 You don't mess around when somebody, 1017 00:50:36,273 --> 00:50:39,523 you know, has full control of the situation. 1018 00:50:39,607 --> 00:50:42,567 And there was no mistaking that he was serious. 1019 00:50:46,273 --> 00:50:50,443 ♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1020 00:50:58,816 --> 00:51:00,396 RICHARD: Carol and I both have said 1021 00:51:00,482 --> 00:51:01,612 he's going to kill somebody. 1022 00:51:01,691 --> 00:51:03,901 The guy's getting more and more brutal as he goes. 1023 00:51:03,982 --> 00:51:05,862 More and more violent. 1024 00:51:05,941 --> 00:51:09,981 I just had this very, very strong feeling. 1025 00:51:10,065 --> 00:51:12,015 LARRY: I talked to, uh, the psychiatrist 1026 00:51:12,107 --> 00:51:13,437 at the Vacaville Medical Center 1027 00:51:13,524 --> 00:51:15,904 that worked with the rapists there. 1028 00:51:15,982 --> 00:51:18,572 And I gave her some reports, and she said, 1029 00:51:18,649 --> 00:51:20,729 "Okay, come back next week. 1030 00:51:20,816 --> 00:51:23,396 I'm gonna talk to my rapists in here." 1031 00:51:23,482 --> 00:51:25,732 The best thing to do if you're in a rape situation 1032 00:51:25,816 --> 00:51:28,726 is submit, submit, submit until it hurts. 1033 00:51:28,816 --> 00:51:31,816 Because it's gonna hurt a lot less in the long run. 1034 00:51:31,899 --> 00:51:33,399 If I'm willing to kill you, 1035 00:51:33,482 --> 00:51:35,442 the first move you make, you're gonna be dead. 1036 00:51:35,524 --> 00:51:37,234 MAN: The woman that I was with, 1037 00:51:37,315 --> 00:51:39,315 she fought back and she's dead. 1038 00:51:40,524 --> 00:51:43,364 I went back the next week and, uh, she said, 1039 00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,020 "You had better catch him. 1040 00:51:45,107 --> 00:51:48,317 He wants to kill, and he is going to kill." 1041 00:51:48,399 --> 00:51:50,479 And I said, "Why hasn't he killed?" 1042 00:51:50,565 --> 00:51:53,475 And she said, "He hasn't found the justification." 1043 00:51:53,565 --> 00:51:55,355 And I said, "What's the justification?" 1044 00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,320 And she said, "I don't know, but it'll get there." 1045 00:51:58,399 --> 00:52:00,149 Of course, we didn't know at the time 1046 00:52:00,232 --> 00:52:01,692 that he'd already killed. 1047 00:52:05,899 --> 00:52:08,939 The house right here, 1048 00:52:09,023 --> 00:52:12,773 the Maggiores were killed right outside the fence. 1049 00:52:12,857 --> 00:52:15,857 This is where she was shot and killed and came right out of. 1050 00:52:15,941 --> 00:52:18,071 MICHELLE: Did you feel at the time that that was related? 1051 00:52:18,148 --> 00:52:20,768 MELANIE: During the time of the East Area Rapist attack, 1052 00:52:20,857 --> 00:52:24,017 I had never heard about these homicides. 1053 00:52:28,565 --> 00:52:32,565 The same owners still reside in these residences 1054 00:52:32,649 --> 00:52:34,609 where this happened. 1055 00:52:34,691 --> 00:52:37,651 And then, one of the witnesses lived right here. 1056 00:52:37,732 --> 00:52:39,152 WOMAN 2: I heard five shots, 1057 00:52:39,232 --> 00:52:41,732 and I jumped and looked out the window. 1058 00:52:41,816 --> 00:52:45,976 And I saw a man run down the sidewalk. 1059 00:52:46,065 --> 00:52:48,435 And I saw the boy across the street. 1060 00:52:48,524 --> 00:52:51,574 He came running, running down-- right down the sidewalk. 1061 00:52:51,649 --> 00:52:55,519 And he came right up on the lawn next to the tree. 1062 00:52:55,607 --> 00:52:58,567 And then right-- right as he came to the tree, 1063 00:52:58,649 --> 00:53:01,399 he looked up and he saw me standing right here. 1064 00:53:01,482 --> 00:53:04,402 And he was pretty surprised, 1065 00:53:04,482 --> 00:53:06,112 turned around as quick as he could. 1066 00:53:06,190 --> 00:53:09,480 He just turned around and just headed straight down there 1067 00:53:09,565 --> 00:53:12,565 towards the fire hydrant around the corner. 1068 00:53:12,649 --> 00:53:15,519 MELANIE: The Maggiores were out walking their dog. 1069 00:53:15,607 --> 00:53:18,187 They were seen running 1070 00:53:18,273 --> 00:53:20,983 and went through this backyard 1071 00:53:21,065 --> 00:53:22,895 where they were attacked. 1072 00:53:22,982 --> 00:53:26,822 The fact that they were chased down and shot, 1073 00:53:26,899 --> 00:53:29,269 like, Katie was shot right in the head, 1074 00:53:29,357 --> 00:53:31,817 made me think that they had seen his face 1075 00:53:31,899 --> 00:53:33,859 and they could identify him. 1076 00:53:33,941 --> 00:53:38,111 I'm an art student and I drew out a picture of him 1077 00:53:38,190 --> 00:53:40,770 standing next to the tree, because I saw him, and I saw-- 1078 00:53:40,857 --> 00:53:43,397 I drew a picture of him running down. 1079 00:53:44,649 --> 00:53:47,439 MELANIE: It's believed that the composite 1080 00:53:47,524 --> 00:53:49,864 that was released at the time 1081 00:53:49,941 --> 00:53:54,861 was very close to, um, what the attacker looked like. 1082 00:53:54,941 --> 00:53:57,901 CAROL DALY: I didn't work the Maggiore homicides 1083 00:53:57,982 --> 00:54:00,402 because it was completely different MO. 1084 00:54:00,482 --> 00:54:02,902 Okay, this isn't in a home in a rape case, 1085 00:54:02,982 --> 00:54:06,192 but this is a prowler in a ski mask. 1086 00:54:06,273 --> 00:54:09,523 MELANIE: A pre-tied ligature was also found at the scene, 1087 00:54:09,607 --> 00:54:14,317 which was a common knot that the East Area Rapist used. 1088 00:54:14,399 --> 00:54:16,189 CAROL: There were officers that said "Yeah, 1089 00:54:16,273 --> 00:54:17,733 I think it could've been the East Area Rapist," 1090 00:54:17,816 --> 00:54:19,726 and others said, "No, I don't think it was." 1091 00:54:19,816 --> 00:54:21,356 MELANIE: That was a huge debate 1092 00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,520 because we don't know for sure what happened. 1093 00:54:23,607 --> 00:54:27,687 But the idea that most people believe 1094 00:54:27,774 --> 00:54:29,984 is that they encountered EAR 1095 00:54:30,065 --> 00:54:33,315 and, uh, they were killed because of that. 1096 00:54:35,524 --> 00:54:37,114 MICHELLE: And they were just walking? 1097 00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:38,940 MELANIE: Yeah. It was so sad. 1098 00:54:39,023 --> 00:54:41,523 -They were just married. -MICHELLE: Hmm. 1099 00:54:43,232 --> 00:54:45,022 MELANIE: Whatever they saw, 1100 00:54:45,857 --> 00:54:47,817 they had to die for it. 1101 00:54:50,524 --> 00:54:53,774 I really did... think 1102 00:54:53,857 --> 00:54:55,977 that they were going to-- to catch him. 1103 00:54:56,065 --> 00:54:58,935 And it was, um... 1104 00:54:59,023 --> 00:55:03,613 a hard pill to swallow as the years went by, 1105 00:55:03,691 --> 00:55:07,691 that he could've gotten away with these kinds of things. 1106 00:55:13,649 --> 00:55:15,819 (CASSETTE TAPE REWINDING) 1107 00:55:15,899 --> 00:55:20,479 GAY: I really did think that they were going to-- 1108 00:55:20,565 --> 00:55:22,685 -to catch him. -(TAPE RECORDER BEEPS) 1109 00:55:24,399 --> 00:55:26,269 MICHELLE: I mimicked the bedtime routine 1110 00:55:26,357 --> 00:55:27,767 of a normal person... 1111 00:55:29,524 --> 00:55:32,444 but after my husband and daughter fell asleep, 1112 00:55:33,649 --> 00:55:36,609 I hunted the killer with my laptop, 1113 00:55:36,691 --> 00:55:40,731 the 15-inch hatch of endless possibilities. 1114 00:55:53,065 --> 00:55:55,105 You know, he stole very specific things from people. 1115 00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:56,900 Not necessarily valuable things, 1116 00:55:56,982 --> 00:55:59,192 but things that meant something to his victim. 1117 00:55:59,273 --> 00:56:01,863 A lot of them were initialed, monogrammed, things like that. 1118 00:56:01,941 --> 00:56:03,521 And in my interviews with detectives, 1119 00:56:03,607 --> 00:56:05,317 I would say, "Have you ever tried to follow up 1120 00:56:05,399 --> 00:56:07,689 and see if these were on eBay or anything like that?" 1121 00:56:07,774 --> 00:56:10,194 And that just wasn't something they did. 1122 00:56:10,273 --> 00:56:13,523 My thinking was, who's to say some guy didn't die 1123 00:56:13,607 --> 00:56:16,517 and you have to clear out your weird uncle's storage. 1124 00:56:16,607 --> 00:56:18,437 Then, suddenly, you've just put those on eBay, 1125 00:56:18,524 --> 00:56:19,864 and we could find that. 1126 00:56:19,941 --> 00:56:21,941 So I just started to keep a list. 1127 00:56:23,107 --> 00:56:25,517 The cufflinks, a family heirloom, 1128 00:56:25,607 --> 00:56:28,517 were an unusual 1950s style 1129 00:56:28,607 --> 00:56:32,227 and monogrammed with the initials "NR." 1130 00:56:32,315 --> 00:56:35,315 Michelle had been, you know, late night, bleary eyed, 1131 00:56:35,399 --> 00:56:38,609 looking online, the latest, like, possible clue, 1132 00:56:38,691 --> 00:56:41,981 and she had stumbled upon a pair of cufflinks. 1133 00:56:42,065 --> 00:56:43,895 MICHELLE: The same style of cufflinks 1134 00:56:43,982 --> 00:56:46,022 as sketched out in the police file, 1135 00:56:46,107 --> 00:56:47,727 with the same initials. 1136 00:56:47,816 --> 00:56:49,356 NANCY: The idea was... 1137 00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:50,820 were these the cufflinks 1138 00:56:50,899 --> 00:56:53,729 that the Golden State Killer had stolen, 1139 00:56:53,816 --> 00:56:56,266 that then surfaced somewhere in Oregon? 1140 00:56:56,357 --> 00:56:57,977 And if these were the cufflinks, 1141 00:56:58,065 --> 00:57:01,765 then there might be a way to trace who sold them to whom 1142 00:57:01,857 --> 00:57:05,397 and kind of do this, like, chain of where and how-- 1143 00:57:05,482 --> 00:57:07,072 where it came from. 1144 00:57:07,148 --> 00:57:09,728 MICHELLE: I walked down the hallway to my bedroom. 1145 00:57:09,816 --> 00:57:12,516 My husband was on his side sleeping. 1146 00:57:12,607 --> 00:57:15,437 I sat on the edge of the bed and stared at him 1147 00:57:15,524 --> 00:57:17,324 until he opened his eyes. 1148 00:57:18,899 --> 00:57:21,979 "I think I found him," I said. 1149 00:57:23,565 --> 00:57:28,185 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 84698

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