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Spodek: When a client comes to my office,
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it's the darkest day of their life.
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They're literally hitting rock bottom.
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And that's why they need a criminal defense lawyer.
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All clients, in that first consultation,
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never give you the full picture.
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They give you some detail.
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Anna presented herself as a German heiress
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and that her family was quite wealthy.
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There was no question that she was sophisticated,
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that she was intelligent,
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but I knew right away there was more to the story.
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Reporter #1: She's a woman who allegedly pretended to be
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a wealthy German heiress
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and is now facing grand larceny and theft charges...
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Reporter #2: Anna Sorokin managed to create
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a completely false persona, calling herself Anna Delvey.
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She built up thousands of followers on Instagram.
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Reporter #3: ...a German con-artist.
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She lived out a high-society, Instagram-ready fantasy.
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Reporter #4: Her story caught the attention
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of tabloids and movie makers. Netflix reportedly...
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It's Anna's life.
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She got to that point on her own hustle.
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That's the story.
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I am Rachel DeLoache Williams.
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I'm originally from Knoxville, Tennessee.
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-Is that good? -Yeah.
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Okay.
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I moved to New York to work in publishing
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and got a job at Vanity Fair,
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where I worked for nine years
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before leaving to write a book.
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Well, actually, sorry -- that's not even true.
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I didn't leave to write a book.
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I got laid off. [ Laughs ]
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Can we try that again?
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Shane: Sure!
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I guess I first noticed Anna through Instagram
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when I saw her in photos with girls that I knew
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and wondered who this new arrival was.
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So, I'm sure I would've clicked through on her profile and seen
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that she had 40,000 followers
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and she kinda just fit into this maybe socialite category.
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It explained why she had entered the scene.
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I love Instagram. I'm a very visual person.
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I certainly use it.
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I've never been one to really go in
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for ridiculous amounts of selfies,
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but I do think there is value to one's personal brand.
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I first met Anna...
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Oh, God, the place we met actually no longer exists,
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but it was ironically called Happy Ending.
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It was a really fun time to be a part of this scene.
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Anna was a little eccentric.
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She had an accent that I couldn't place.
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No pictures. [ Laughing ] No pictures.
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Williams: She seemed like she came from money,
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but didn't seem to really understand
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how to engage with other people.
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having this kind of friendship.
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We had similar interests in art and music.
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But Anna and I, we had very different lifestyles.
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One of the earliest signs of that was the fact
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that she lived full time in a hotel.
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It was just one more example of the sort of wealth
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that she must have come from.
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She had said that she was a collector of art
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and she had this trust
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and she wanted to establish her own art foundation.
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It would be a members-only club.
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It sounded impressive.
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Notar: I liked it, the idea of creating an arts club.
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New York was getting a bit homogenized.
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That's why I thought what Anna wanted to do
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was like, "Ah, finally, somebody wants to..."
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So it was very attractive to me.
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I fell into the scene of New York nightlife
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by luck and chance.
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You probably went to high school --
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I went to Studio 54.
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It was Shangri-La,
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and I'm drinking Dom Pérignon with Andy Warhol.
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This was my reality.
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Friend of mine called me
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and said, "Do you know this girl Anna Delvey?
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She knows so-and-so, and she's looking to do
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a members club, art, da-da-da."
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He goes, "I think it'd be great for them to meet you."
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You know, in a strange way, I kind of liked Anna.
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She had this royalty about her.
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It was part arrogance,
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part just cold.
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I remember I was struck by her Instagram.
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Boom boom boom boom!
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She has all these people following her,
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which then processes as she's a cool kid.
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She said, "I want to show you the building."
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So I went to the building, we did a walk-around.
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Williams: She was trying to finalize the lease
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for this building on Park Avenue South,
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the Church Missions building.
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She wanted to create this space that housed art galleries,
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a lounge, you know, pop-up events.
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In my mind, I wanted it to be a modern-day Factory,
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Andy Warhol style.
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Williams: She wanted to get a $25 million loan
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for the creation of her foundation,
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so she had gone to a bank for the money.
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Notar: When we did that walk-through, she had like six or seven people
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following this little girl all around
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and, "Yes, over here, I think I want to do this,
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and over here, blah blah blah blah."
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to the point that you're like, "Hey, she's tough."
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Good businesswoman.
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Kremers: To all of these people,
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she spun just a web of deceit and lies.
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All for a beautiful building in New York with her name on it.
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I mean, it doesn't get more cliché than that.
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I'm Marc Kremers, I own a company called Future Corp,
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a digital studio in London.
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My company was scammed.
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Anna Delvey's story was that she was a German heiress,
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the daughter and benefactor
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of a rich industrial family in Germany.
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She was looking to have Future Corp create the branding
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for the Anna Delvey Foundation,
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create a very slick presentation
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to sort of wow the bankers about this project.
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and a lot of those names were very impressive,
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very established.
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"Hey, I'm going to be working with Anna,"
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and they replied quite quickly saying, "Yeah, that's great,
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I'm on the board, she's great."
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We reached the end of the first phase of work,
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and she liked what we were doing.
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"Hey, like, let's sort out that invoice,"
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me thinking -- German heiress,
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very busy socializing and doing her heiress-y things,
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so maybe I should just nudge her.
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to, I think, literally hundreds.
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It was something like £17,000 that was already due.
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We're a small business, you know.
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My company was put into a lot of peril and almost closed
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because of the nature of her telling us
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that, you know, the check's in the post,
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and then it's going to be there in three or four days,
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and then she'd come up with another story.
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At a certain point, you're just like, "Oh, come on."
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I started to do my own sleuthing
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and kind of trying to find mentions of Anna Delvey
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within Instagram hashtags and @s and all the rest.
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She did study at Central Saint Martins,
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which is a preeminent design and art college in London,
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where her name was actually Anna Sorokin.
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Then she became an intern at Purple Fashion.
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She was already not using a real name
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and she kind of builds a story one square at a time
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on her Instagram feed.
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Corvacho: I met Anna Delvey here in Paris.
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My name is Sergio Corvacho.
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I have a career in fashion,
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in photography,
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in makeup and in styling.
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I was working a lot for a French publication
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called Purple magazine.
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That's the place where Anna Delvey started
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as an intern.
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Anna had an accent that I couldn't really recognize
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where it was from -- it wasn't British,
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it wasn't German, it was just a --
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a cute accent.
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To me, she seemed like a backpacker
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that ended up in Paris
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and decided to play the game of a fashion girl.
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You know, the fashion world is superficial and catty.
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It's like high school.
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If you hang out with the cool people, you're going to make it.
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If you hang out with the nerdy ones,
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you're going to be a nerd for the rest of your life.
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Anna was never the life of the party.
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She was a shy girl, very shy.
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I don't think people liked her. At all.
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You know, Paris is the city of image.
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I think Anna was training herself
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in what to wear, how to look,
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and how to sell yourself 24/7.
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But Anna was telling me
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how desperate she was to move to New York,
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because things move faster there.
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In New York, a nobody can make it into a somebody
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in a matter of days or months.
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She wanted to be a star.
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Dee: Now people think of Anna as this very powerful person.
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And that's not really how I remember her.
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Man: Okay, ready.
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I actually met her at Surf Lodge in Montauk.
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Surf Lodge was kind of like the newer place.
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They were having Patti Smith perform.
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I deejayed for her.
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So, I was getting ready in my room,
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and somebody knocked on the door.
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and he had Anna with him.
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She was so awkward, 'cause she walked in with him
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but she didn't say a word.
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She was not even like, "Hi."
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She was just standing there...
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...wearing this pink dress and heels.
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It was just like, "Whoa, what is going on?"
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Because it's the beach, you know?
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Sand on the floor.
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One of my friends was like, "Wow, your dress is so pretty,"
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and her answer was, "Balenciaga."
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That was it.
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We were laughing about it the whole day, which I feel bad,
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but it was really funny.
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For the rest of the day we were like, oh, "Corona."
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If we had a beer.
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and I went to get a cup of coffee,
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I saw that she was sleeping in a car in the parking lot.
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So I walked to the car and the windows were cracked
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and she was alive.
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It was so surreal when I saw her sleeping in the hot car
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and she looked real blushed and her dress was pink.
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She looked like a doll, really.
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I was like, "Oh, my God, this is so creepy."
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why I didn't have enough followers, and...
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My friend told me, "Oh, she's like this heiress,
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she's going to be really rich in a few years."
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but you couldn't really place it.
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when people wear sunglasses in the club?
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when she was being serious and when she was joking.
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"I'm so pretty and rich."
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or she'd make jokes about someone being a peasant.
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just seem kind of appalling, but in real life,
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she does have this charm to her and I think I was actively
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looking for reasons to forgive her behavior.
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Dee: So, it was Fashion Week in Paris.
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I was playing an after party, and Anna texted me being like,
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"I'm having a party at my hotel, pop by."
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When we arrived, there were people there,
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but they seemed not to know her as well
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and everyone is just sitting on their phones
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and looking at Instagram.
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were standing by the table with napkins,
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looking very like -- it was very French, actually.
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I heard from her next morning.
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She called, she was crying, saying, "I'm trying to check out
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and my card is not going through.
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They're being really mean to me, the hotel.
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They say they're gonna call the cops.
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I don't know what to do."
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She needed my help.
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I ask her, "But how much is the bill?"
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I laughed. I was like, "Seriously?
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My credit card is going to be declined, girl."
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Like, no.
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[ Snaps fingers ] And she changed right away.
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Well, see you in New York. Bye."
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It was like, "Oh, okay, you can't help me, so goodbye".
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I was not about to call her a friend.
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So I guess she had to take a break
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and then find a better target than me.
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Williams: It started out as this trip to Morocco.
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Anna's offering to take me on some vacation
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and to pay for it all.
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I was so grateful -- like, what a huge gift,
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what an enormous expense.
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She checked us into the Hotel La Mamounia,
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which is this extremely extravagant,
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like the most magical, huge, wild hotel you'll ever see.
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There's four restaurants, three bars,
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a lake-sized swimming pool, gardens --
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it's just completely over the top.
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Anna wanted to go buy some caftans.
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So we went into the marketplace and she picked out
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$1,300 worth of dresses.
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And when she got to the cash register to pay,
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her credit card didn't go through.
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that you're traveling?" because that would make perfect sense.
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I would flag a charge in Marrakesh, too.
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after we had just gotten back from this day trip
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to the Atlas Mountains.
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the managers were waiting for Anna in the lobby.
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They pulled her aside and she said something about the fact
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that they had been trying to run her card
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and it wasn't working.
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I don't wanna go to jail anywhere,
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like, let alone Marrakesh. [ Chuckles ]
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a functioning credit card?"
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And Anna's like -- looks at me.
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because I think it's a temporary hold.
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It's the last day. I'm leaving the next morning.
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It's going to get fixed.
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This is not okay with me, but like,
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I just want to get out.
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It wasn't until I landed that I-I got a text from Anna
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saying, "I'll wire you 70,000 U.S. dollars
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to make sure everything's covered,"
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and I was like, "Oh." Like, that's the first time
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I learned how -- how expensive the trip was.
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Anna comes back to New York.
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I'm starting to get increasingly nervous
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about the fact that this money hasn't appeared.
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You know, as more time goes by and it's still not there,
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she connects me with this person named Bettina
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via email -- Bettina Wagner,
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who she says is a family accountant
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who will help her while she's traveling.
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Anna would chime in like,
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"Bettina, this is a personal favor.
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It should have been taken care of five days ago."
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Like, of course, it was Anna on both emails, um...
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I think. [ Chuckles ]
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Shane: Sorry, so Anna was...
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Bettina.
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I think!
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Kremers: At a certain point, the whole thing became
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a kind of a ridiculous opera, really.
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I said to Anna, "You must have a family office
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or a family financial manager --
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put me in touch with these people."
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And then she introduced her family office manager --
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um, Peter Hennecke.
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Peter Hennecke was Anna Delvey.
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[ Laughs ]
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are just quite mind-blowing.
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There was a time when I was like, "I want to get on a call with you and Peter."
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And I called Anna, we're trying to get hold of "Peter."
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Obviously, Peter was not going to arrive on that call,
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and the excuse for that was apparently
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that his daughter was hospitalized.
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So there's also a fake daughter now involved in all this.
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And um, yeah, I don't know, at a certain point,
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maybe a few months later,
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I was like, you know, "Where's Peter?
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I haven't heard from him for a while."
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And then she kinda dropped the bomb on me
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that, uh, Peter had passed away.
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I kind of did half expect for her to,
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at some point, just ghost me.
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A normal person would at least --
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yeah, a normal sociopath would ghost you.
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Maybe. You know.
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on every level.
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Somebody who's dark -- dark as hell.
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Williams: A little over two months after Morocco,
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I have credit card statements due,
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I have to pay my rent.
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I was constantly hoping repayment was on the way,
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and Anna just kept moving the goalpost.
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I was living paycheck to paycheck
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and I would just have these incredible panic attacks,
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like unable to breathe, just thinking like, "Okay, well,
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I was already not making any money, not saving any money,
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and now I'm gonna have this enormous debt
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that I'll never be able to pay off,
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I'm never gonna have a house,
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I'm never gonna be able to have kids."
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It was -- like, it's been however many years
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and it still makes me catch in my throat.
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And finally I asked her, can we meet at this bar
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on the West Side Highway, that's outdoors on a pier.
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It's called the Frying Pan.
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I didn't know what to expect.
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She just looked kind of disheveled, um...
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And Anna, she actually...
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She was a little bit emotional,
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but it was because it was the same day
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that the tabloids had come out
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about her stiffing the Beekman Hotel.
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Turns out she hadn't paid her bill there, either.
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New York Post and the New York Daily News
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had called her a wannabe socialite.
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'cause she was really working hard
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and she wasn't out partying all the time
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and she didn't understand why they would say that.
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What unfolded was a real-time compacted version
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of what I had been through with Anna
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over the previous two months or so.
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She just had an answer for everything.
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By the end of that evening,
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there was no chance she was anything but a con artist.
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So, the next day, I emailed the District Attorney's office
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with a link to the article from the New York Post, saying,
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"I would like to speak with the prosecutor on this case.
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I think this girl's a con artist
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and I have information that might be useful."
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Very shortly after that, I received a phone call
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from a woman who said, "We think you're right."
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So I met with two prosecutors,
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gave them my little binder full of everything
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and realized that Anna was the subject
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[voice breaking] of an ongoing criminal investigation.
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Yeah.
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My name is Emily Palmer. I am a crime reporter.
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I covered the story of Anna Delvey
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for The New York Times.
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She was the chameleon. That was her personality.
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she was really good
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at camouflaging within her surroundings.
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And she did that for years
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amongst Manhattan's most elite.
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She was very smart.
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She knew the right people to befriend.
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In New York, I think there really is this idea
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of bowing down to those that are wealthy and elite.
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You know, she would tip $100
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and she would make sure that people saw that.
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And so she could make a little bit of money go a long way.
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Williams: It turns out, the way that Anna operated,
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it was just a house of cards. She was check kiting.
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She had been opening bank accounts with multiple banks
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and then writing herself checks from one to the other
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and withdrawing the funds before the check bounced.
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That's the money she was using in order to finance the hotels
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and meals and all of her routine --
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the hair cuts, the color, the shopping.
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Palmer: She was such a masterful study of character.
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She could talk her way into a room
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and she could talk her way into just about any situation.
527
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,000
It eventually -- it caught up with her.
528
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,000
You can only do it so many times.
529
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:51,000
Williams: Anna was due in court on September 5, 2017,
530
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,000
for the three misdemeanors she'd been charged with --
531
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,000
the Beekman, the W, and the Parker Meridien.
532
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,000
But on that day, I got a phone call
533
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:05,000
from a detective from the NYPD, Officer McCaffrey,
534
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:09,000
who said that Anna had not shown up in court,
535
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,000
and they asked me if I might know where she was.
536
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,000
And they asked if, if I were to contact her,
537
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,000
whether I thought she might respond.
538
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:21,000
So, at their urging, I resumed communication with Anna.
539
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,000
"Hey Anna, I've been thinking about you today
540
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,000
as I know you had that court date.
541
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,000
I wondered how it's gone for you.
542
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,000
I can't imagine you intended for things
543
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,000
to turn out the way they have.
544
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,000
It seems like you must've gotten into trouble somehow.
545
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,000
I'm sorry that you didn't feel like
546
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,000
you could tell me the full story,
547
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:42,000
and I'm sorry you're in this mess, however it happened."
548
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,000
And then moving forward from that day,
549
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:48,000
we began a very slow exchange of text messages
550
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:52,000
where it was kind of reestablishing this trust.
551
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:56,000
Ironically, her trusting me.
552
00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,000
I would look at Anna's Instagram, Facebook, Twitter,
553
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,000
to look for clues as to not only her whereabouts,
554
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:09,000
but her mentality, her agenda -- you know, who is this person?
555
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,000
Anna's Instagram took on this other meaning.
556
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:16,000
She had posted pictures of chessboards,
557
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,000
this idea of playing a game.
558
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,000
Or Anna would Instagram photos of artwork
559
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:25,000
that said something like "Malice."
560
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,000
I was looking at her Spotify playlists that were public,
561
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:32,000
which included so many songs about getting away with things
562
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,000
and avoiding the police and living fake lives...
563
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,000
"Fuck Tha Police," N.W.A.
564
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,000
"All Eyez on Me," Tupac.
565
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,000
"If I Get Locked Up" by Funkmaster Flex.
566
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,000
Kind of a lot, no?
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00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:54,000
♪♪
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♪♪
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00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:09,000
♪♪
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00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:13,000
Over the course of the month, I worked with the NYPD
571
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:17,000
to piece together where she had gone.
572
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,000
Part of that happened through her Instagram,
573
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,000
actually, 'cause she began posting
574
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:28,000
sort of cryptic, abstract selfies.
575
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,000
There was one of her feet in this bowl of fruit,
576
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,000
and in that image, I happened to recognize this key fob --
577
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,000
a key fob I had seen when I was at the Chateau Marmont
578
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,000
in Los Angeles for photo shoots.
579
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,000
At a certain point, Anna called me and told me
580
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,000
that she had checked into a rehab,
581
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,000
and that's where she was.
582
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,000
I asked for information about like,
583
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,000
"Oh, you know, do you get to play tennis there?"
584
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,000
'Cause Anna liked to play tennis.
585
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,000
And she said, "Yeah, they have
586
00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,000
a relationship with this country club."
587
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,000
And I said, "Oh, do you go for walks on the beach?"
588
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,000
And she's like, "Yeah, it's across
589
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,000
the Pacific Coast Highway."
590
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,000
So I figured out that she had checked into Passages,
591
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,000
which is I think one of, if not the most expensive rehab
592
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,000
in the country,
593
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:18,000
costing upwards of $60,000 per month.
594
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,000
She knows I'm coming out west
595
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,000
for a conference and she had said,
596
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,000
"We should get together while you're out here."
597
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,000
I suggested we go to lunch.
598
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,000
It was shocking how easily we kind of slid
599
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,000
back into this old rapport.
600
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:37,000
It's curious to think that she thought that would be possible
601
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,000
given everything we had just been through and the fact
602
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:44,000
that this enormous sum of money was still outstanding.
603
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:49,000
But again, Anna is texting me, asking me for favors.
604
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:53,000
She's saying, "Can you pick up vodka and water bottles
605
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,000
and then put the vodka into the water bottles
606
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,000
and then drive them to me in Malibu?"
607
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:02,000
Not a -- Not an ounce of self-awareness.
608
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,000
It was October 3, 2017.
609
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,000
She was going to meet me at noon.
610
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,000
And when she left the rehab facility that morning,
611
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:17,000
she was arrested by the LAPD, who were stationed outside.
612
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,000
Reporter: A bogus German heiress is standing trial
613
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,000
accused in a massive swindling scheme here in New York.
614
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,000
And prosecutors say Anna Sorokin posed as that heiress
615
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,000
and blew through $275,000
616
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:33,000
in a 10-month jet-setting spending spree.
617
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,000
When the news broke, I was like, "Oh, shit!"
618
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,000
Okay, so that's where she's been. That's it.
619
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,000
I knew from the beginning that it was not right.
620
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,000
All I can say is like, I told you so.
621
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,000
I got a ping from Google news alert about Anna Delvey.
622
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,000
I just immediately forwarded it to her with absolute glee,
623
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,000
saying, "Oh, look, looks like things are going well for you."
624
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,000
I think then after that, she blocked me on Instagram,
625
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,000
which is maybe a badge of honor.
626
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:10,000
♪♪
627
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,000
Spodek: When she first came to me,
628
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,000
she had one open misdemeanor criminal case
629
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,000
and she went M.I.A.
630
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,000
I'm in court a few weeks later
631
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,000
and I see a young woman in a jumpsuit
632
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,000
who happens to be Anna, my client, who warranted,
633
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,000
so I'm like, "What the fuck? What's going on?"
634
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,000
And then it all came out.
635
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,000
Then it came out that she had warranted,
636
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,000
that she left for California, was arrested, was extradited,
637
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,000
and had these large-scale bank schemes going on
638
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,000
and, you know, just living la vida loca.
639
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,000
The wannabe socialite is actually on trial
640
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,000
for swindling hundreds of thousands of dollars.
641
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,000
Reporter: She falsified bank records, forged her identity.
642
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,000
Reporter #2: Anna Sorokin is accused
643
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,000
of scamming people in New York out of more than
644
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,000
a quarter-million dollars to fund her lifestyle.
645
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,000
Reporter #3: She conned money out of friends,
646
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,000
banks, and hotels.
647
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,000
So I said, "Listen, we better get started,
648
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,000
'cause this is going to be one monster of a trial."
649
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,000
And we started, and we went to fucking war,
650
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,000
and I loved it.
651
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:14,000
So, I knew that I had to paint a picture of Anna
652
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,000
as an aspirational young woman who didn't have
653
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,000
the opportunities that other people have.
654
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,000
I presented the theory of the case via the opening statement.
655
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,000
So I'll read a little bit for you.
656
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,000
"Sinatra said, 'I'll make a brand-new start of it
657
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,000
in old New York.
658
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,000
If I can make it there,
659
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,000
I'll make it anywhere.'
660
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,000
Now, Anna also moved to New York,
661
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,000
just like some of you did.
662
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,000
She came here bright-eyed and bushy-tailed,
663
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:45,000
and excited about the opportunities that awaited her.
664
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:49,000
She was merely 25 years old.
665
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,000
Through her sheer ingenuity, she created the life
666
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,000
that she wanted for herself.
667
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,000
There's a little bit of Anna in each of us.
668
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,000
Anna has moxie. She hustles.
669
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,000
Or like my grandmother would say, "She has chutzpah."
670
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,000
Anna did not have connections to open doors for her.
671
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,000
So Anna had to kick down the doors herself.
672
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,000
The evidence will show that Anna
673
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,000
never intended to commit a crime.
674
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,000
She allowed everyone to believe the story
675
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,000
that they wanted to believe,
676
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,000
and she reaped the benefits."
677
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,000
That's page three.
678
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,000
Good?
679
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:34,000
♪♪
680
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:43,000
♪♪
681
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,000
Palmer: I attended the trial most days.
682
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,000
I think people went into this trial knowing Anna Delvey
683
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,000
and wanting to know Anna Sorokin.
684
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,000
Anna was born in Domodedovo, Russia,
685
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,000
not a lot of money.
686
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:01,000
Her dad ran a heating and cooling business.
687
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,000
They were immigrants from Russia to Germany.
688
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,000
But the beginnings of Anna Delvey
689
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,000
start when she moves to Paris.
690
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,000
She gets an internship at Purple.
691
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,000
She takes pictures for the magazine
692
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,000
and has to choose the name
693
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,000
that she's going to attach to those pictures,
694
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,000
and she picks what she told me was a pen name, Anna Delvey.
695
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,000
She credited the name as being her mother's maiden name.
696
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,000
She assured me she didn't make it up,
697
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,000
but there was no evidence to the fact
698
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,000
that that was her mother's maiden name.
699
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,000
And then she goes to New York for Fashion Week one year
700
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,000
and she just likes it and she decides to stay.
701
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:40,000
And she becomes known as Anna Delvey to everyone there.
702
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,000
[ Indistinct talking ]
703
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,000
The charges in this case included,
704
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,000
you know, a $200 restaurant bill
705
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,000
and hotel bills that were unpaid.
706
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,000
All of these go to the illusion of Anna Delvey,
707
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,000
but the top charges go to her greatest con,
708
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,000
which was this idea of creating the Anna Delvey Foundation --
709
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:03,000
or perhaps her intent to just get tens of millions
710
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,000
and never create it, right?
711
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,000
We don't really know, because it never happened.
712
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,000
Spodek: The Anna Delvey Foundation.
713
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,000
Anna needed capital to create this business.
714
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,000
And all these sophisticated, savvy people were like,
715
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,000
"Hey, this plan makes sense. I want to be a part of it."
716
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,000
Where it became illegal was when she went to banks
717
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,000
and she wrote down how much she was worth
718
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,000
and she submitted fake bank statements.
719
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,000
The issue was, is that the underlying documentation
720
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,000
and the underlying story was not 100% accurate.
721
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,000
There were some issues with those things.
722
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,000
She only Photoshopped four documents.
723
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,000
That's not a lot of documents to create
724
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,000
considering the fact that her aim was to get $22 million.
725
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,000
Spodek: When you look over the documents
726
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,000
that the bank received to support the stuff,
727
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,000
it was so crazy -- like, they were made online.
728
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,000
Like, anybody could figure this out,
729
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,000
but they just overlooked it all.
730
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,000
Every opportunity for a bank to realize
731
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,000
that something was afoot, they missed,
732
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,000
literally every step of the way.
733
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,000
Because they wanted the German heiress.
734
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,000
She was rich, she was balling.
735
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,000
She was a fraud, and they all fell for it.
736
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,000
And that goes to show you
737
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:15,000
how blinded by glitz and glamour people are.
738
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,000
Palmer: The other interesting charge against her
739
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:23,000
was for taking about $60,000 from her friend Rachel Williams
740
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:27,000
for a very lavish trip to Marrakesh.
741
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,000
I think that the prosecution thought Rachel would be somebody
742
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,000
that the jury would empathize with.
743
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:37,000
But Rachel Williams played right into the hand of the defense.
744
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,000
Spodek: Rachel Williams was Anna's friend.
745
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,000
They were intimate --
746
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,000
they were emotionally intimate with each other.
747
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,000
Rachel -- I don't want to say
748
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,000
was only friends with her because she had means,
749
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,000
but she was certainly taking advantage of her generosity.
750
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,000
It was kind of like being a friend with a celebrity
751
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,000
who picked up the bill for everything.
752
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,000
The really crazy part is, Rachel set her up.
753
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:01,000
We're talking about, "I'm going to conspire with the detectives
754
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,000
so that she gets out of the rehab facility
755
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,000
and gets arrested on the spot."
756
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,000
That's some gangster shit.
757
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,000
That takes a certain type of individual to do that.
758
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,000
Now, interesting side note about Rachel is,
759
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,000
I knew a fair amount about Rachel
760
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,000
because she had reached out to me
761
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,000
early on in the case.
762
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,000
This is a scoop for you. This is a scoop for you.
763
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,000
So, I'll explain.
764
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,000
Once the case started going
765
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,000
and there was a lot of media attention,
766
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,000
everyone was trying to profit from it.
767
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,000
Rachel had reached out to me and was like,
768
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:33,000
"You're her lawyer, you are representing her interests --
769
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,000
I also am interested in, you know,
770
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,000
exploiting this story to my benefit."
771
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,000
She wanted to join forces
772
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,000
with the other members of this story
773
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,000
and sell their story collectively
774
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,000
to the highest bidder.
775
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,000
And she was unable to 'cause we didn't cooperate with her,
776
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,000
but she's a hustler.
777
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,000
Reporter: One of the friends that Sorokin duped
778
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,000
reportedly sold her story to Simon & Schuster
779
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,000
to tell her tales.
780
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,000
She's the author of "My Friend Anna:
781
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,000
The True Story of a Fake Heiress,"
782
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,000
the book that she wrote after all of this came out.
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Williams: Thank you so much for having me.
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So, take us back to the beginning.
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What were you doing when you first met Anna?
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I was working at Vanity Fair.
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I liked her, and so we had a lot of fun together.
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She said that she, uh, had a trust fund.
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By the time I left Marrakesh, Anna owed me $62,000 dollars.
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Spodek: I think she made a fatal mistake in court
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in how she presented herself.
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The most important thing at the trial,
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no matter what, is connecting with that jury.
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Do not bullshit the jury.
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She should've got on the stand and been like, "Look,
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I don't want to paint a picture that I'm an angel.
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I made over half a million dollars from this.
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It worked out well for me.
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Doesn't mean Anna didn't fuck me over,
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but ultimately, it worked out well for me."
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And the jury would have connected with it.
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But instead, she did it the opposite way.
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She ultimately testified
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about what a traumatic experience this was
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and she owed this debt.
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You have people whose parents died, have been evicted,
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maybe people who are suffering from cancer,
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have such horrific problems in life --
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how could you sit there and testify about how owing a debt,
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a $70,000 debt on a corporate credit card
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is the worst thing that ever happened to you?
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How would anyone relate to that?
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Once Rachel testified, it was like we won the Grammys.
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She had an opportunity, now she wrote a story,
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then she writes a book, now she writes another book,
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and what happens? Now she's an author.
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In New York, people make it out of nothing.
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They hustle. Rachel hustled.
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I didn't do anything for money. Like, just full stop.
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That's not, you know...
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But it -- it did help me to repay debts.
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And in the end, American Express did end up protecting me
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from the La Mamounia charges, which was an immense relief.
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It was -- I mean, of course,
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that was a-a huge relief.
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There was a wave of
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media interest in the story.
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I was put in touch
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with agents at CAA,
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who helped me to navigate
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this completely uncharted territory.
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So, there was then a, um...
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I don't -- Is it called a book deal?
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I guess, a book deal and a film option.
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For the trial, I only attended on the day of my testimony.
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It took so much to get up during that trial and testify,
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especially, like, to recount something
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that was so painful and personal.
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I just kind of melted. It was so raw.
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So raw.
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Unfortunately, Anna's lawyer kind of played up the fact
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that I had been emotional
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and said I deserved an Oscar for my testimony, and --
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and I think used that humanness, the humanity, the emotion of it
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against me, as though I were being dramatic on purpose.
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The verdict -- jurors agreeing with the prosecution
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that Anna Sorokin built her fairy-tale life
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on a foundation of lies.
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Reporter: 28-year-old Anna Sorokin
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making that short statement in a Manhattan courtroom,
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sentenced Thursday to up to 12 years in prison.
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Spodek: Even though we didn't prevail across the board,
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the fact that we got two of the charges acquitted
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was pretty remarkable. We were ecstatic.
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We really were so happy that our hard work paid off.
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She was convicted on attempted grand larceny.
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Anna tried to steal millions of dollars.
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She was found guilty of successfully taking
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some $200,000.
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The jury said there wasn't enough evidence
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that Anna really had gone far enough
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to legitimately be considered for a $22 million loan.
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And they just didn't empathize at all with Rachel,
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who frankly, uh, wasn't a very empathetic character.
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To have the jury come back and decide against me,
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like, in her favor, as one of the two
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charges that she was found not guilty towards,
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was just salt into a wound.
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And then walking down the street and seeing people wearing
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Fake German Heiress T-shirts
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just felt like
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a punch to the gut.
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Anna was never interested in proving her innocence.
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She said, you know, a trial isn't about the truth --
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it's about the story.
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Reporter: Sorokin's story caught the eye of both Shonda Rhimes
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and Lena Dunham, who are both reportedly
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producing TV shows centered on her.
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Corvacho: Anna Delvey is probably laughing all the way to the bank.
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What is next?
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Fake heiress: the theme park?
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[ Laughs ]
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It surprised me, how big it got.
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I never thought the story was going to get this big.
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Kremers: Going through Anna's Instagram feed, you can see
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this cleverly curated vision that she wanted to project.
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Instagram has normalized that.
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We are all living on a digital surface.
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We project ourselves on that surface,
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and we all have a bit of Anna Delvey in us.
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But there's projection, and there's deception.
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I'm telling you now that in her head,
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there is no Anna Sorokin.
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There is really just Anna Delvey.
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And I think in her head it's Anna Delvey,
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and in our heads it's Anna Delvey.
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You know, it's a fabricated story that we choose to believe.
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Palmer: So many people want to just get up one day,
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leave their life, and be someone else.
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And that is one of the real reasons
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everybody is so infatuated --
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not because she faked bank statements,
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but because she actually became somebody else.
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By the way, Andy Warhol would've loved Anna Delvey.
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You know what I mean?
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Because his whole thing was about pop icons.
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She had the gumption,
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and it starts with that.
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Spodek: Anna was a dreamer.
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And I know that with the right resources, we'd all be having
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a drink at this arts foundation being like,
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"I can't believe she did it.
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How delicious is this margarita?"
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Like, that's the conversation we would have,
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but she just didn't get that opportunity.
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But the beauty of this is she's young and life is long.
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And when she gets out, she'll make something happen.
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