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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:09,000 [ Flippers, pinball clacking, electronic music playing ] 2 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:13,000 ♪♪ 3 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,000 Spodek: When a client comes to my office, 4 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,000 it's the darkest day of their life. 5 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:20,000 They're literally hitting rock bottom. 6 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,000 And that's why they need a criminal defense lawyer. 7 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,000 All clients, in that first consultation, 8 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:27,000 never give you the full picture. 9 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,000 They give you some detail. 10 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,000 Anna presented herself as a German heiress 11 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:36,000 and that her family was quite wealthy. 12 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,000 There was no question that she was sophisticated, 13 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,000 that she was intelligent, 14 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,000 but I knew right away there was more to the story. 15 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,000 Reporter #1: She's a woman who allegedly pretended to be 16 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,000 a wealthy German heiress 17 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,000 and is now facing grand larceny and theft charges... 18 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,000 Reporter #2: Anna Sorokin managed to create 19 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,000 a completely false persona, calling herself Anna Delvey. 20 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:54,000 She built up thousands of followers on Instagram. 21 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:56,000 Reporter #3: ...a German con-artist. 22 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,000 She lived out a high-society, Instagram-ready fantasy. 23 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,000 Reporter #4: Her story caught the attention 24 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,000 of tabloids and movie makers. Netflix reportedly... 25 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:05,000 It's Anna's life. 26 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:09,000 She got to that point on her own hustle. 27 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:10,000 That's the story. 28 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:17,000 ♪♪ 29 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,000 [ Sirens wailing ] 30 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:26,000 ♪♪ 31 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:33,000 ♪♪ 32 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,000 [ Woman vocalizing ] 33 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:44,000 ♪♪ 34 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:53,000 ♪♪ 35 00:01:53,000 --> 00:02:02,000 ♪♪ 36 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:11,000 ♪♪ 37 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:20,000 ♪♪ 38 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,000 I am Rachel DeLoache Williams. 39 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,000 I'm originally from Knoxville, Tennessee. 40 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:27,000 -Is that good? -Yeah. 41 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,000 Okay. 42 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,000 I moved to New York to work in publishing 43 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,000 and got a job at Vanity Fair, 44 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,000 where I worked for nine years 45 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,000 before leaving to write a book. 46 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,000 Well, actually, sorry -- that's not even true. 47 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,000 I didn't leave to write a book. 48 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,000 I got laid off. [ Laughs ] 49 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:44,000 Can we try that again? 50 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,000 Shane: Sure! 51 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:50,000 I guess I first noticed Anna through Instagram 52 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,000 when I saw her in photos with girls that I knew 53 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:57,000 and wondered who this new arrival was. 54 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:00,000 So, I'm sure I would've clicked through on her profile and seen 55 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,000 that she had 40,000 followers 56 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,000 and she kinda just fit into this maybe socialite category. 57 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:10,000 It explained why she had entered the scene. 58 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,000 I love Instagram. I'm a very visual person. 59 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,000 I certainly use it. 60 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:16,000 I've never been one to really go in 61 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,000 for ridiculous amounts of selfies, 62 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:24,000 but I do think there is value to one's personal brand. 63 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:28,000 ♪♪ 64 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,000 [ Mouse clicks ] 65 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,000 I first met Anna... 66 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,000 Oh, God, the place we met actually no longer exists, 67 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,000 but it was ironically called Happy Ending. 68 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:43,000 ♪♪ 69 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:48,000 It was a really fun time to be a part of this scene. 70 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:49,000 Anna was a little eccentric. 71 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,000 She had an accent that I couldn't place. 72 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:56,000 No pictures. [ Laughing ] No pictures. 73 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,000 Williams: She seemed like she came from money, 74 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,000 but didn't seem to really understand 75 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,000 how to engage with other people. 76 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,000 Like, sometimes it felt like this was, like, her first time 77 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,000 having this kind of friendship. 78 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,000 But we enjoyed spending time together. 79 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:15,000 We had similar interests in art and music. 80 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:19,000 But Anna and I, we had very different lifestyles. 81 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,000 One of the earliest signs of that was the fact 82 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,000 that she lived full time in a hotel. 83 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:32,000 It was just one more example of the sort of wealth 84 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,000 that she must have come from. 85 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,000 She had said that she was a collector of art 86 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:40,000 and she had this trust 87 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,000 and she wanted to establish her own art foundation. 88 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,000 It would be a members-only club. 89 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,000 It sounded impressive. 90 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:57,000 ♪♪ 91 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:05,000 ♪♪ 92 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:09,000 Notar: I liked it, the idea of creating an arts club. 93 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,000 New York was getting a bit homogenized. 94 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:15,000 That's why I thought what Anna wanted to do 95 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,000 was like, "Ah, finally, somebody wants to..." 96 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,000 So it was very attractive to me. 97 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,000 I fell into the scene of New York nightlife 98 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:26,000 by luck and chance. 99 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,000 You probably went to high school -- 100 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:29,000 I went to Studio 54. 101 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,000 [ Disco music plays ] 102 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,000 It was Shangri-La, 103 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,000 and I'm drinking Dom Pérignon with Andy Warhol. 104 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,000 This was my reality. 105 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,000 Friend of mine called me 106 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,000 and said, "Do you know this girl Anna Delvey? 107 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,000 She knows so-and-so, and she's looking to do 108 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,000 a members club, art, da-da-da." 109 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,000 He goes, "I think it'd be great for them to meet you." 110 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,000 You know, in a strange way, I kind of liked Anna. 111 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:00,000 She had this royalty about her. 112 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,000 It was part arrogance, 113 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,000 part just cold. 114 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,000 She was somewhat rude. I found it funny. 115 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,000 I remember I was struck by her Instagram. 116 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:12,000 Boom boom boom boom! 117 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:13,000 She has all these people following her, 118 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:17,000 which then processes as she's a cool kid. 119 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,000 She said, "I want to show you the building." 120 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,000 So I went to the building, we did a walk-around. 121 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,000 Williams: She was trying to finalize the lease 122 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,000 for this building on Park Avenue South, 123 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:28,000 the Church Missions building. 124 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,000 She wanted to create this space that housed art galleries, 125 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,000 a lounge, you know, pop-up events. 126 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:41,000 In my mind, I wanted it to be a modern-day Factory, 127 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,000 Andy Warhol style. 128 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,000 Williams: She wanted to get a $25 million loan 129 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,000 for the creation of her foundation, 130 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,000 so she had gone to a bank for the money. 131 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,000 Notar: When we did that walk-through, she had like six or seven people 132 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,000 following this little girl all around 133 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:56,000 and, "Yes, over here, I think I want to do this, 134 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:58,000 and over here, blah blah blah blah." 135 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,000 And like, she worked it, 136 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,000 to the point that you're like, "Hey, she's tough." 137 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,000 Good businesswoman. 138 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:14,000 ♪♪ 139 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:23,000 ♪♪ 140 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,000 Kremers: To all of these people, 141 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:29,000 she spun just a web of deceit and lies. 142 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:33,000 All for a beautiful building in New York with her name on it. 143 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,000 I mean, it doesn't get more cliché than that. 144 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:46,000 I'm Marc Kremers, I own a company called Future Corp, 145 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,000 a digital studio in London. 146 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,000 My company was scammed. 147 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:58,000 Anna Delvey's story was that she was a German heiress, 148 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:00,000 the daughter and benefactor 149 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:05,000 of a rich industrial family in Germany. 150 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:08,000 She was looking to have Future Corp create the branding 151 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,000 for the Anna Delvey Foundation, 152 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:12,000 create a very slick presentation 153 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,000 to sort of wow the bankers about this project. 154 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:20,000 It had a board of advisors with a lot of names, 155 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,000 and a lot of those names were very impressive, 156 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,000 very established. 157 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,000 And I did contact one or two of them to sort of say, 158 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,000 "Hey, I'm going to be working with Anna," 159 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,000 and they replied quite quickly saying, "Yeah, that's great, 160 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,000 I'm on the board, she's great." 161 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,000 We reached the end of the first phase of work, 162 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,000 and she liked what we were doing. 163 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,000 But after several weeks, I was like, you know, 164 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:44,000 "Hey, like, let's sort out that invoice," 165 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:46,000 me thinking -- German heiress, 166 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,000 very busy socializing and doing her heiress-y things, 167 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:52,000 so maybe I should just nudge her. 168 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,000 But those nudges went from one, two, three, four, five 169 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,000 to, I think, literally hundreds. 170 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:01,000 It was something like £17,000 that was already due. 171 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,000 We're a small business, you know. 172 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:07,000 My company was put into a lot of peril and almost closed 173 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,000 because of the nature of her telling us 174 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,000 that, you know, the check's in the post, 175 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,000 and then it's going to be there in three or four days, 176 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,000 and then she'd come up with another story. 177 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:19,000 At a certain point, you're just like, "Oh, come on." 178 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:22,000 I started to do my own sleuthing 179 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:26,000 and kind of trying to find mentions of Anna Delvey 180 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:31,000 within Instagram hashtags and @s and all the rest. 181 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,000 She did study at Central Saint Martins, 182 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:37,000 which is a preeminent design and art college in London, 183 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,000 where her name was actually Anna Sorokin. 184 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:43,000 Then she became an intern at Purple Fashion. 185 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,000 She was already not using a real name 186 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:49,000 and she kind of builds a story one square at a time 187 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:50,000 on her Instagram feed. 188 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:58,000 ♪♪ 189 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,000 Corvacho: I met Anna Delvey here in Paris. 190 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:08,000 ♪♪ 191 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,000 My name is Sergio Corvacho. 192 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,000 I have a career in fashion, 193 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,000 in photography, 194 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,000 in makeup and in styling. 195 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,000 I was working a lot for a French publication 196 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,000 called Purple magazine. 197 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,000 That's the place where Anna Delvey started 198 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,000 as an intern. 199 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:41,000 ♪♪ 200 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:50,000 ♪♪ 201 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,000 Anna had an accent that I couldn't really recognize 202 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,000 where it was from -- it wasn't British, 203 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,000 it wasn't German, it was just a -- 204 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,000 a cute accent. 205 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,000 To me, she seemed like a backpacker 206 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:03,000 that ended up in Paris 207 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:08,000 and decided to play the game of a fashion girl. 208 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,000 You know, the fashion world is superficial and catty. 209 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,000 It's like high school. 210 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,000 If you hang out with the cool people, you're going to make it. 211 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,000 If you hang out with the nerdy ones, 212 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,000 you're going to be a nerd for the rest of your life. 213 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,000 Anna was never the life of the party. 214 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,000 She was a shy girl, very shy. 215 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,000 I don't think people liked her. At all. 216 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:34,000 You know, Paris is the city of image. 217 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,000 I think Anna was training herself 218 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,000 in what to wear, how to look, 219 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:45,000 and how to sell yourself 24/7. 220 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,000 But Anna was telling me 221 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,000 how desperate she was to move to New York, 222 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,000 because things move faster there. 223 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:00,000 In New York, a nobody can make it into a somebody 224 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:05,000 in a matter of days or months. 225 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:06,000 She wanted to be a star. 226 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,000 Everybody has to follow their own dream. 227 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:17,000 ♪♪ 228 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:25,000 ♪♪ 229 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:30,000 Dee: Now people think of Anna as this very powerful person. 230 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,000 And that's not really how I remember her. 231 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,000 Okay. 232 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,000 Man: Okay, ready. 233 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:42,000 I actually met her at Surf Lodge in Montauk. 234 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,000 Surf Lodge was kind of like the newer place. 235 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,000 They were having Patti Smith perform. 236 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,000 I deejayed for her. 237 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:54,000 So, I was getting ready in my room, 238 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,000 and somebody knocked on the door. 239 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:00,000 And it was an old friend of mine and promoter, 240 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,000 and he had Anna with him. 241 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,000 She was so awkward, 'cause she walked in with him 242 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:06,000 but she didn't say a word. 243 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,000 She was not even like, "Hi." 244 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,000 She was just standing there... 245 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,000 ...wearing this pink dress and heels. 246 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,000 It was just like, "Whoa, what is going on?" 247 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,000 Because it's the beach, you know? 248 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,000 Sand on the floor. 249 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:27,000 One of my friends was like, "Wow, your dress is so pretty," 250 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:31,000 and her answer was, "Balenciaga." 251 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,000 That was it. 252 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,000 We were laughing about it the whole day, which I feel bad, 253 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,000 but it was really funny. 254 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,000 For the rest of the day we were like, oh, "Corona." 255 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,000 If we had a beer. 256 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,000 [ Seagulls crying ] 257 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,000 The next morning, when I woke up 258 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,000 and I went to get a cup of coffee, 259 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:56,000 I saw that she was sleeping in a car in the parking lot. 260 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:01,000 So I walked to the car and the windows were cracked 261 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,000 and she was alive. 262 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,000 It was so surreal when I saw her sleeping in the hot car 263 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:10,000 and she looked real blushed and her dress was pink. 264 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:11,000 She looked like a doll, really. 265 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,000 I was like, "Oh, my God, this is so creepy." 266 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:15,000 [ Laughs ] 267 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,000 And then I kept seeing her at a lot of places. 268 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,000 Every party I was playing, she was there. 269 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,000 She was always on her phone. 270 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,000 That's how I remember her, just looking down at her phone. 271 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,000 She kept asking me about my Instagram, 272 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:34,000 why I didn't have enough followers, and... 273 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,000 My friend told me, "Oh, she's like this heiress, 274 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,000 she's going to be really rich in a few years." 275 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,000 I mean, it's New York! That's a lot of rich people. 276 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:47,000 There's a lot of people that care about money and power. 277 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,000 People love to brag about things. 278 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,000 It was funny because she also has an accent, 279 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,000 but you couldn't really place it. 280 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,000 She was obviously not from Germany. 281 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:57,000 It was really -- 282 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:00,000 It was, like, not a German accent. 283 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,000 She was not exactly the nicest person. 284 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,000 She called people peasants. 285 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,000 She felt so superior. 286 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:08,000 You know that attitude 287 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,000 when people wear sunglasses in the club? 288 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,000 [ Laughing ] That's what I meant, really. 289 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:15,000 You know what I mean? It was like, you know, 290 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,000 before people decided to be nice was a better look. 291 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,000 [ Laughs ] 292 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,000 Williams: With Anna, it was sometimes hard to know 293 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,000 when she was being serious and when she was joking. 294 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:28,000 She would say sort of jarring things. 295 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:29,000 For example, one time I looked over 296 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,000 and she was looking at herself in the mirror and she goes, 297 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,000 "I'm so pretty and rich." 298 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,000 It was just like, "Excuse me? 299 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,000 Did you just say what I think you just said?" 300 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,000 And just, we both just started laughing 301 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,000 'cause it was so ridiculous. 302 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,000 There were times where she'd be rude to people 303 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,000 or she'd make jokes about someone being a peasant. 304 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,000 Like, things that, you know, of course on paper 305 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,000 just seem kind of appalling, but in real life, 306 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:58,000 she does have this charm to her and I think I was actively 307 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,000 looking for reasons to forgive her behavior. 308 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:11,000 ♪♪ 309 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,000 Dee: So, it was Fashion Week in Paris. 310 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:18,000 I was playing an after party, and Anna texted me being like, 311 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:21,000 "I'm having a party at my hotel, pop by." 312 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,000 When we arrived, there were people there, 313 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,000 but they seemed not to know her as well 314 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,000 and everyone is just sitting on their phones 315 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,000 and looking at Instagram. 316 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:31,000 And all the waiters from the hotel 317 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,000 were standing by the table with napkins, 318 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,000 looking very like -- it was very French, actually. 319 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,000 But I was like, "Let's get out of here, this is just awkward." 320 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:42,000 And we left. 321 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:50,000 ♪♪ 322 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,000 I heard from her next morning. 323 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:56,000 She called, she was crying, saying, "I'm trying to check out 324 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,000 and my card is not going through. 325 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,000 They're being really mean to me, the hotel. 326 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,000 They say they're gonna call the cops. 327 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,000 I don't know what to do." 328 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,000 She needed my help. 329 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,000 I ask her, "But how much is the bill?" 330 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,000 And she say 35,000 euros. 331 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,000 I thought she was joking. 332 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,000 I laughed. I was like, "Seriously? 333 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,000 My credit card is going to be declined, girl." 334 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,000 Like, no. 335 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:24,000 [ Snaps fingers ] And she changed right away. 336 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,000 Right away, she was like, "Oh, okay. 337 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,000 Well, see you in New York. Bye." 338 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:34,000 It was like, "Oh, okay, you can't help me, so goodbye". 339 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:35,000 It was kind of scary. 340 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:39,000 It was like, something is weird about this person. 341 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,000 We did not hang out after that. 342 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,000 I was not about to call her a friend. 343 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:46,000 No. 344 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,000 So I guess she had to take a break 345 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,000 and then find a better target than me. 346 00:17:52,000 --> 00:18:01,000 ♪♪ 347 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:10,000 ♪♪ 348 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:19,000 ♪♪ 349 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:23,000 Williams: It started out as this trip to Morocco. 350 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,000 Anna's offering to take me on some vacation 351 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,000 and to pay for it all. 352 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,000 I was so grateful -- like, what a huge gift, 353 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,000 what an enormous expense. 354 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:36,000 She checked us into the Hotel La Mamounia, 355 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,000 which is this extremely extravagant, 356 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:45,000 like the most magical, huge, wild hotel you'll ever see. 357 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:46,000 It's palatial. 358 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,000 There's four restaurants, three bars, 359 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,000 a lake-sized swimming pool, gardens -- 360 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:54,000 it's just completely over the top. 361 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:00,000 Anna wanted to go buy some caftans. 362 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,000 So we went into the marketplace and she picked out 363 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:06,000 $1,300 worth of dresses. 364 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,000 And when she got to the cash register to pay, 365 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,000 her credit card didn't go through. 366 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,000 And I just was like, "Oh, did you tell your banks 367 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,000 that you're traveling?" because that would make perfect sense. 368 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,000 I would flag a charge in Marrakesh, too. 369 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:23,000 And she said, "No, I didn't. Can I just put it on your card?" 370 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,000 So, of course, I was like, "Alright." 371 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,000 I think it was Wednesday evening, 372 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,000 after we had just gotten back from this day trip 373 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,000 to the Atlas Mountains. 374 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:35,000 When we got back to the hotel, 375 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,000 the managers were waiting for Anna in the lobby. 376 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:43,000 They pulled her aside and she said something about the fact 377 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,000 that they had been trying to run her card 378 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,000 and it wasn't working. 379 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,000 And they clearly need their, like, payment. 380 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,000 I don't wanna go to jail anywhere, 381 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,000 like, let alone Marrakesh. [ Chuckles ] 382 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,000 Um... 383 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,000 But she just was so, like, dismissive. 384 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:00,000 Suddenly, one of the managers is like, "Do you have 385 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:02,000 a functioning credit card?" 386 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:06,000 And Anna's like -- looks at me. 387 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,000 And it's at this point that I take out my corporate card, 388 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,000 because I think it's a temporary hold. 389 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,000 It's the last day. I'm leaving the next morning. 390 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:16,000 It's going to get fixed. 391 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,000 This is not okay with me, but like, 392 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,000 I just want to get out. 393 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:26,000 It wasn't until I landed that I-I got a text from Anna 394 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,000 saying, "I'll wire you 70,000 U.S. dollars 395 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,000 to make sure everything's covered," 396 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,000 and I was like, "Oh." Like, that's the first time 397 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:37,000 I learned how -- how expensive the trip was. 398 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,000 Anna comes back to New York. 399 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,000 I'm starting to get increasingly nervous 400 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,000 about the fact that this money hasn't appeared. 401 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,000 You know, as more time goes by and it's still not there, 402 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,000 she connects me with this person named Bettina 403 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,000 via email -- Bettina Wagner, 404 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,000 who she says is a family accountant 405 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,000 who will help her while she's traveling. 406 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:56,000 Anna would chime in like, 407 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,000 "Bettina, this is a personal favor. 408 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,000 It should have been taken care of five days ago." 409 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:04,000 Like, of course, it was Anna on both emails, um... 410 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,000 I think. [ Chuckles ] 411 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:09,000 Shane: Sorry, so Anna was... 412 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,000 Bettina. 413 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:12,000 I think! 414 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,000 Kremers: At a certain point, the whole thing became 415 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,000 a kind of a ridiculous opera, really. 416 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,000 I said to Anna, "You must have a family office 417 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,000 or a family financial manager -- 418 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,000 put me in touch with these people." 419 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:33,000 And then she introduced her family office manager -- 420 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:34,000 um, Peter Hennecke. 421 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,000 Peter Hennecke was Anna Delvey. 422 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:38,000 [ Laughs ] 423 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,000 You know, I mean, these -- these kind of aspects of the story 424 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,000 are just quite mind-blowing. 425 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,000 There was a time when I was like, "I want to get on a call with you and Peter." 426 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,000 And I called Anna, we're trying to get hold of "Peter." 427 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,000 Obviously, Peter was not going to arrive on that call, 428 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,000 and the excuse for that was apparently 429 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,000 that his daughter was hospitalized. 430 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:02,000 So there's also a fake daughter now involved in all this. 431 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,000 And um, yeah, I don't know, at a certain point, 432 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,000 maybe a few months later, 433 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,000 I was like, you know, "Where's Peter? 434 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,000 I haven't heard from him for a while." 435 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:12,000 And then she kinda dropped the bomb on me 436 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,000 that, uh, Peter had passed away. 437 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,000 And then I think she introduced Bettina. 438 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,000 I kind of did half expect for her to, 439 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,000 at some point, just ghost me. 440 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,000 A normal person would at least -- 441 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,000 yeah, a normal sociopath would ghost you. 442 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,000 Maybe. You know. 443 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,000 But she seemed to be really on it. 444 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,000 [ Chuckles ] 445 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,000 What you're really dealing with is a bona fide sociopath 446 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,000 on every level. 447 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,000 Somebody who's dark -- dark as hell. 448 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:50,000 ♪♪ 449 00:22:50,000 --> 00:23:00,000 ♪♪ 450 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,000 Williams: A little over two months after Morocco, 451 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,000 I have credit card statements due, 452 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,000 I have to pay my rent. 453 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:18,000 I was constantly hoping repayment was on the way, 454 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,000 and Anna just kept moving the goalpost. 455 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,000 I was living paycheck to paycheck 456 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,000 and I would just have these incredible panic attacks, 457 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,000 like unable to breathe, just thinking like, "Okay, well, 458 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,000 I was already not making any money, not saving any money, 459 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,000 and now I'm gonna have this enormous debt 460 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,000 that I'll never be able to pay off, 461 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,000 I'm never gonna have a house, 462 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,000 I'm never gonna be able to have kids." 463 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,000 It was -- like, it's been however many years 464 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:46,000 and it still makes me catch in my throat. 465 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,000 And finally I asked her, can we meet at this bar 466 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,000 on the West Side Highway, that's outdoors on a pier. 467 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,000 It's called the Frying Pan. 468 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,000 I didn't know what to expect. 469 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:59,000 She just looked kind of disheveled, um... 470 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,000 And Anna, she actually... 471 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,000 She was a little bit emotional, 472 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,000 but it was because it was the same day 473 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,000 that the tabloids had come out 474 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,000 about her stiffing the Beekman Hotel. 475 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,000 Turns out she hadn't paid her bill there, either. 476 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,000 New York Post and the New York Daily News 477 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,000 had called her a wannabe socialite. 478 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,000 And she thought that was a terribly unfair portrayal of her 479 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,000 'cause she was really working hard 480 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,000 and she wasn't out partying all the time 481 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:29,000 and she didn't understand why they would say that. 482 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:33,000 What unfolded was a real-time compacted version 483 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,000 of what I had been through with Anna 484 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,000 over the previous two months or so. 485 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:42,000 She just had an answer for everything. 486 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:43,000 By the end of that evening, 487 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:47,000 there was no chance she was anything but a con artist. 488 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:53,000 ♪♪ 489 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:58,000 So, the next day, I emailed the District Attorney's office 490 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,000 with a link to the article from the New York Post, saying, 491 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,000 "I would like to speak with the prosecutor on this case. 492 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,000 I think this girl's a con artist 493 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:09,000 and I have information that might be useful." 494 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,000 Very shortly after that, I received a phone call 495 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,000 from a woman who said, "We think you're right." 496 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,000 So I met with two prosecutors, 497 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:22,000 gave them my little binder full of everything 498 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,000 and realized that Anna was the subject 499 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,000 [voice breaking] of an ongoing criminal investigation. 500 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,000 Yeah. 501 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,000 My name is Emily Palmer. I am a crime reporter. 502 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,000 I covered the story of Anna Delvey 503 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,000 for The New York Times. 504 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,000 She was the chameleon. That was her personality. 505 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,000 she was really good 506 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,000 at camouflaging within her surroundings. 507 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,000 And she did that for years 508 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,000 amongst Manhattan's most elite. 509 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,000 She was very smart. 510 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,000 She knew the right people to befriend. 511 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,000 In New York, I think there really is this idea 512 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,000 of bowing down to those that are wealthy and elite. 513 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,000 You know, she would tip $100 514 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,000 and she would make sure that people saw that. 515 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:09,000 And so she could make a little bit of money go a long way. 516 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,000 Williams: It turns out, the way that Anna operated, 517 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,000 it was just a house of cards. She was check kiting. 518 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:18,000 She had been opening bank accounts with multiple banks 519 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,000 and then writing herself checks from one to the other 520 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,000 and withdrawing the funds before the check bounced. 521 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,000 That's the money she was using in order to finance the hotels 522 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,000 and meals and all of her routine -- 523 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:32,000 the hair cuts, the color, the shopping. 524 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,000 Palmer: She was such a masterful study of character. 525 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,000 She could talk her way into a room 526 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:40,000 and she could talk her way into just about any situation. 527 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,000 It eventually -- it caught up with her. 528 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,000 You can only do it so many times. 529 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:51,000 Williams: Anna was due in court on September 5, 2017, 530 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,000 for the three misdemeanors she'd been charged with -- 531 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,000 the Beekman, the W, and the Parker Meridien. 532 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,000 But on that day, I got a phone call 533 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:05,000 from a detective from the NYPD, Officer McCaffrey, 534 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:09,000 who said that Anna had not shown up in court, 535 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,000 and they asked me if I might know where she was. 536 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,000 And they asked if, if I were to contact her, 537 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,000 whether I thought she might respond. 538 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:21,000 So, at their urging, I resumed communication with Anna. 539 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,000 "Hey Anna, I've been thinking about you today 540 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,000 as I know you had that court date. 541 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,000 I wondered how it's gone for you. 542 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,000 I can't imagine you intended for things 543 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,000 to turn out the way they have. 544 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,000 It seems like you must've gotten into trouble somehow. 545 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,000 I'm sorry that you didn't feel like 546 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,000 you could tell me the full story, 547 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:42,000 and I'm sorry you're in this mess, however it happened." 548 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,000 And then moving forward from that day, 549 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:48,000 we began a very slow exchange of text messages 550 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:52,000 where it was kind of reestablishing this trust. 551 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:56,000 Ironically, her trusting me. 552 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,000 I would look at Anna's Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, 553 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,000 to look for clues as to not only her whereabouts, 554 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:09,000 but her mentality, her agenda -- you know, who is this person? 555 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,000 Anna's Instagram took on this other meaning. 556 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:16,000 She had posted pictures of chessboards, 557 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,000 this idea of playing a game. 558 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,000 Or Anna would Instagram photos of artwork 559 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:25,000 that said something like "Malice." 560 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,000 I was looking at her Spotify playlists that were public, 561 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:32,000 which included so many songs about getting away with things 562 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,000 and avoiding the police and living fake lives... 563 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,000 "Fuck Tha Police," N.W.A. 564 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,000 "All Eyez on Me," Tupac. 565 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,000 "If I Get Locked Up" by Funkmaster Flex. 566 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,000 Kind of a lot, no? 567 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:54,000 ♪♪ 568 00:28:54,000 --> 00:29:01,000 ♪♪ 569 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:09,000 ♪♪ 570 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:13,000 Over the course of the month, I worked with the NYPD 571 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:17,000 to piece together where she had gone. 572 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,000 Part of that happened through her Instagram, 573 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,000 actually, 'cause she began posting 574 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:28,000 sort of cryptic, abstract selfies. 575 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,000 There was one of her feet in this bowl of fruit, 576 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,000 and in that image, I happened to recognize this key fob -- 577 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,000 a key fob I had seen when I was at the Chateau Marmont 578 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,000 in Los Angeles for photo shoots. 579 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,000 At a certain point, Anna called me and told me 580 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,000 that she had checked into a rehab, 581 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,000 and that's where she was. 582 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,000 I asked for information about like, 583 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,000 "Oh, you know, do you get to play tennis there?" 584 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,000 'Cause Anna liked to play tennis. 585 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,000 And she said, "Yeah, they have 586 00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,000 a relationship with this country club." 587 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,000 And I said, "Oh, do you go for walks on the beach?" 588 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,000 And she's like, "Yeah, it's across 589 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,000 the Pacific Coast Highway." 590 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,000 So I figured out that she had checked into Passages, 591 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,000 which is I think one of, if not the most expensive rehab 592 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,000 in the country, 593 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:18,000 costing upwards of $60,000 per month. 594 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,000 She knows I'm coming out west 595 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,000 for a conference and she had said, 596 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,000 "We should get together while you're out here." 597 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,000 I suggested we go to lunch. 598 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,000 It was shocking how easily we kind of slid 599 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,000 back into this old rapport. 600 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:37,000 It's curious to think that she thought that would be possible 601 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,000 given everything we had just been through and the fact 602 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:44,000 that this enormous sum of money was still outstanding. 603 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:49,000 But again, Anna is texting me, asking me for favors. 604 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:53,000 She's saying, "Can you pick up vodka and water bottles 605 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,000 and then put the vodka into the water bottles 606 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,000 and then drive them to me in Malibu?" 607 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:02,000 Not a -- Not an ounce of self-awareness. 608 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,000 It was October 3, 2017. 609 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,000 She was going to meet me at noon. 610 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,000 And when she left the rehab facility that morning, 611 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:17,000 she was arrested by the LAPD, who were stationed outside. 612 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,000 Reporter: A bogus German heiress is standing trial 613 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,000 accused in a massive swindling scheme here in New York. 614 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,000 And prosecutors say Anna Sorokin posed as that heiress 615 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,000 and blew through $275,000 616 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:33,000 in a 10-month jet-setting spending spree. 617 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,000 When the news broke, I was like, "Oh, shit!" 618 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,000 Okay, so that's where she's been. That's it. 619 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,000 I knew from the beginning that it was not right. 620 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,000 All I can say is like, I told you so. 621 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,000 I got a ping from Google news alert about Anna Delvey. 622 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,000 I just immediately forwarded it to her with absolute glee, 623 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,000 saying, "Oh, look, looks like things are going well for you." 624 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,000 I think then after that, she blocked me on Instagram, 625 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,000 which is maybe a badge of honor. 626 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:10,000 ♪♪ 627 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,000 Spodek: When she first came to me, 628 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,000 she had one open misdemeanor criminal case 629 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,000 and she went M.I.A. 630 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,000 I'm in court a few weeks later 631 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,000 and I see a young woman in a jumpsuit 632 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,000 who happens to be Anna, my client, who warranted, 633 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,000 so I'm like, "What the fuck? What's going on?" 634 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,000 And then it all came out. 635 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,000 Then it came out that she had warranted, 636 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,000 that she left for California, was arrested, was extradited, 637 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,000 and had these large-scale bank schemes going on 638 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,000 and, you know, just living la vida loca. 639 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,000 The wannabe socialite is actually on trial 640 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,000 for swindling hundreds of thousands of dollars. 641 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,000 Reporter: She falsified bank records, forged her identity. 642 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,000 Reporter #2: Anna Sorokin is accused 643 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,000 of scamming people in New York out of more than 644 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,000 a quarter-million dollars to fund her lifestyle. 645 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,000 Reporter #3: She conned money out of friends, 646 00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,000 banks, and hotels. 647 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,000 So I said, "Listen, we better get started, 648 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,000 'cause this is going to be one monster of a trial." 649 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,000 And we started, and we went to fucking war, 650 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,000 and I loved it. 651 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:14,000 So, I knew that I had to paint a picture of Anna 652 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,000 as an aspirational young woman who didn't have 653 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,000 the opportunities that other people have. 654 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,000 I presented the theory of the case via the opening statement. 655 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,000 So I'll read a little bit for you. 656 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,000 "Sinatra said, 'I'll make a brand-new start of it 657 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,000 in old New York. 658 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,000 If I can make it there, 659 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,000 I'll make it anywhere.' 660 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,000 Now, Anna also moved to New York, 661 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,000 just like some of you did. 662 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,000 She came here bright-eyed and bushy-tailed, 663 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:45,000 and excited about the opportunities that awaited her. 664 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:49,000 She was merely 25 years old. 665 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,000 Through her sheer ingenuity, she created the life 666 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,000 that she wanted for herself. 667 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,000 There's a little bit of Anna in each of us. 668 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,000 Anna has moxie. She hustles. 669 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,000 Or like my grandmother would say, "She has chutzpah." 670 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,000 Anna did not have connections to open doors for her. 671 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,000 So Anna had to kick down the doors herself. 672 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,000 The evidence will show that Anna 673 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,000 never intended to commit a crime. 674 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,000 She allowed everyone to believe the story 675 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,000 that they wanted to believe, 676 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,000 and she reaped the benefits." 677 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,000 That's page three. 678 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,000 Good? 679 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:34,000 ♪♪ 680 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:43,000 ♪♪ 681 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,000 Palmer: I attended the trial most days. 682 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,000 I think people went into this trial knowing Anna Delvey 683 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,000 and wanting to know Anna Sorokin. 684 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,000 Anna was born in Domodedovo, Russia, 685 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,000 not a lot of money. 686 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:01,000 Her dad ran a heating and cooling business. 687 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,000 They were immigrants from Russia to Germany. 688 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,000 But the beginnings of Anna Delvey 689 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,000 start when she moves to Paris. 690 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,000 She gets an internship at Purple. 691 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,000 She takes pictures for the magazine 692 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,000 and has to choose the name 693 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,000 that she's going to attach to those pictures, 694 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,000 and she picks what she told me was a pen name, Anna Delvey. 695 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,000 She credited the name as being her mother's maiden name. 696 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,000 She assured me she didn't make it up, 697 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,000 but there was no evidence to the fact 698 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,000 that that was her mother's maiden name. 699 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,000 And then she goes to New York for Fashion Week one year 700 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,000 and she just likes it and she decides to stay. 701 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:40,000 And she becomes known as Anna Delvey to everyone there. 702 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,000 [ Indistinct talking ] 703 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,000 The charges in this case included, 704 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,000 you know, a $200 restaurant bill 705 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,000 and hotel bills that were unpaid. 706 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,000 All of these go to the illusion of Anna Delvey, 707 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,000 but the top charges go to her greatest con, 708 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,000 which was this idea of creating the Anna Delvey Foundation -- 709 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:03,000 or perhaps her intent to just get tens of millions 710 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,000 and never create it, right? 711 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,000 We don't really know, because it never happened. 712 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,000 Spodek: The Anna Delvey Foundation. 713 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,000 Anna needed capital to create this business. 714 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,000 And all these sophisticated, savvy people were like, 715 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,000 "Hey, this plan makes sense. I want to be a part of it." 716 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,000 Where it became illegal was when she went to banks 717 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,000 and she wrote down how much she was worth 718 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,000 and she submitted fake bank statements. 719 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,000 The issue was, is that the underlying documentation 720 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,000 and the underlying story was not 100% accurate. 721 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,000 There were some issues with those things. 722 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,000 She only Photoshopped four documents. 723 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,000 That's not a lot of documents to create 724 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,000 considering the fact that her aim was to get $22 million. 725 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,000 Spodek: When you look over the documents 726 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,000 that the bank received to support the stuff, 727 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,000 it was so crazy -- like, they were made online. 728 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,000 Like, anybody could figure this out, 729 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,000 but they just overlooked it all. 730 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,000 Every opportunity for a bank to realize 731 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,000 that something was afoot, they missed, 732 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,000 literally every step of the way. 733 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,000 Because they wanted the German heiress. 734 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,000 She was rich, she was balling. 735 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,000 She was a fraud, and they all fell for it. 736 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,000 And that goes to show you 737 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:15,000 how blinded by glitz and glamour people are. 738 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,000 Palmer: The other interesting charge against her 739 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:23,000 was for taking about $60,000 from her friend Rachel Williams 740 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:27,000 for a very lavish trip to Marrakesh. 741 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,000 I think that the prosecution thought Rachel would be somebody 742 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,000 that the jury would empathize with. 743 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:37,000 But Rachel Williams played right into the hand of the defense. 744 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,000 Spodek: Rachel Williams was Anna's friend. 745 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,000 They were intimate -- 746 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,000 they were emotionally intimate with each other. 747 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,000 Rachel -- I don't want to say 748 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,000 was only friends with her because she had means, 749 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,000 but she was certainly taking advantage of her generosity. 750 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,000 It was kind of like being a friend with a celebrity 751 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,000 who picked up the bill for everything. 752 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,000 The really crazy part is, Rachel set her up. 753 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:01,000 We're talking about, "I'm going to conspire with the detectives 754 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,000 so that she gets out of the rehab facility 755 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,000 and gets arrested on the spot." 756 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,000 That's some gangster shit. 757 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,000 That takes a certain type of individual to do that. 758 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,000 Now, interesting side note about Rachel is, 759 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,000 I knew a fair amount about Rachel 760 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,000 because she had reached out to me 761 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,000 early on in the case. 762 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,000 This is a scoop for you. This is a scoop for you. 763 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,000 So, I'll explain. 764 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,000 Once the case started going 765 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,000 and there was a lot of media attention, 766 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,000 everyone was trying to profit from it. 767 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,000 Rachel had reached out to me and was like, 768 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:33,000 "You're her lawyer, you are representing her interests -- 769 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,000 I also am interested in, you know, 770 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,000 exploiting this story to my benefit." 771 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,000 She wanted to join forces 772 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,000 with the other members of this story 773 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,000 and sell their story collectively 774 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,000 to the highest bidder. 775 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,000 And she was unable to 'cause we didn't cooperate with her, 776 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,000 but she's a hustler. 777 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,000 Reporter: One of the friends that Sorokin duped 778 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,000 reportedly sold her story to Simon & Schuster 779 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,000 to tell her tales. 780 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,000 She's the author of "My Friend Anna: 781 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,000 The True Story of a Fake Heiress," 782 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,000 the book that she wrote after all of this came out. 783 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,000 Williams: Thank you so much for having me. 784 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,000 So, take us back to the beginning. 785 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,000 What were you doing when you first met Anna? 786 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,000 I was working at Vanity Fair. 787 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,000 I liked her, and so we had a lot of fun together. 788 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,000 She said that she, uh, had a trust fund. 789 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:18,000 By the time I left Marrakesh, Anna owed me $62,000 dollars. 790 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:23,000 ♪♪ 791 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:28,000 ♪♪ 792 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,000 Spodek: I think she made a fatal mistake in court 793 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,000 in how she presented herself. 794 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,000 The most important thing at the trial, 795 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,000 no matter what, is connecting with that jury. 796 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,000 Do not bullshit the jury. 797 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,000 She should've got on the stand and been like, "Look, 798 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,000 I don't want to paint a picture that I'm an angel. 799 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,000 I made over half a million dollars from this. 800 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,000 It worked out well for me. 801 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,000 Doesn't mean Anna didn't fuck me over, 802 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,000 but ultimately, it worked out well for me." 803 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,000 And the jury would have connected with it. 804 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,000 But instead, she did it the opposite way. 805 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,000 She ultimately testified 806 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,000 about what a traumatic experience this was 807 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,000 and she owed this debt. 808 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,000 You have people whose parents died, have been evicted, 809 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,000 maybe people who are suffering from cancer, 810 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,000 have such horrific problems in life -- 811 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:12,000 how could you sit there and testify about how owing a debt, 812 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:14,000 a $70,000 debt on a corporate credit card 813 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,000 is the worst thing that ever happened to you? 814 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,000 How would anyone relate to that? 815 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,000 Once Rachel testified, it was like we won the Grammys. 816 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,000 She had an opportunity, now she wrote a story, 817 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,000 then she writes a book, now she writes another book, 818 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,000 and what happens? Now she's an author. 819 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,000 In New York, people make it out of nothing. 820 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,000 They hustle. Rachel hustled. 821 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:34,000 I didn't do anything for money. Like, just full stop. 822 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,000 That's not, you know... 823 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:39,000 But it -- it did help me to repay debts. 824 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,000 And in the end, American Express did end up protecting me 825 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,000 from the La Mamounia charges, which was an immense relief. 826 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,000 It was -- I mean, of course, 827 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,000 that was a-a huge relief. 828 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:52,000 There was a wave of 829 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,000 media interest in the story. 830 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,000 I was put in touch 831 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,000 with agents at CAA, 832 00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,000 who helped me to navigate 833 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,000 this completely uncharted territory. 834 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,000 So, there was then a, um... 835 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:06,000 I don't -- Is it called a book deal? 836 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,000 I guess, a book deal and a film option. 837 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,000 For the trial, I only attended on the day of my testimony. 838 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:19,000 It took so much to get up during that trial and testify, 839 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,000 especially, like, to recount something 840 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,000 that was so painful and personal. 841 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,000 I just kind of melted. It was so raw. 842 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,000 So raw. 843 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:33,000 Unfortunately, Anna's lawyer kind of played up the fact 844 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,000 that I had been emotional 845 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,000 and said I deserved an Oscar for my testimony, and -- 846 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:43,000 and I think used that humanness, the humanity, the emotion of it 847 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:48,000 against me, as though I were being dramatic on purpose. 848 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,000 The verdict -- jurors agreeing with the prosecution 849 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,000 that Anna Sorokin built her fairy-tale life 850 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,000 on a foundation of lies. 851 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,000 Reporter: 28-year-old Anna Sorokin 852 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,000 making that short statement in a Manhattan courtroom, 853 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:08,000 sentenced Thursday to up to 12 years in prison. 854 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,000 Spodek: Even though we didn't prevail across the board, 855 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,000 the fact that we got two of the charges acquitted 856 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,000 was pretty remarkable. We were ecstatic. 857 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:19,000 We really were so happy that our hard work paid off. 858 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,000 She was convicted on attempted grand larceny. 859 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,000 Anna tried to steal millions of dollars. 860 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:29,000 She was found guilty of successfully taking 861 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,000 some $200,000. 862 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,000 The jury said there wasn't enough evidence 863 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,000 that Anna really had gone far enough 864 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:39,000 to legitimately be considered for a $22 million loan. 865 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:43,000 And they just didn't empathize at all with Rachel, 866 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:49,000 who frankly, uh, wasn't a very empathetic character. 867 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,000 To have the jury come back and decide against me, 868 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,000 like, in her favor, as one of the two 869 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,000 charges that she was found not guilty towards, 870 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,000 was just salt into a wound. 871 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,000 And then walking down the street and seeing people wearing 872 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,000 Fake German Heiress T-shirts 873 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:08,000 just felt like 874 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,000 a punch to the gut. 875 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:18,000 ♪♪ 876 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:26,000 ♪♪ 877 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,000 Anna was never interested in proving her innocence. 878 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,000 She said, you know, a trial isn't about the truth -- 879 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,000 it's about the story. 880 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,000 Reporter: Sorokin's story caught the eye of both Shonda Rhimes 881 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,000 and Lena Dunham, who are both reportedly 882 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,000 producing TV shows centered on her. 883 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,000 Corvacho: Anna Delvey is probably laughing all the way to the bank. 884 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:48,000 What is next? 885 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,000 Fake heiress: the theme park? 886 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,000 [ Laughs ] 887 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,000 It surprised me, how big it got. 888 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,000 I never thought the story was going to get this big. 889 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,000 Kremers: Going through Anna's Instagram feed, you can see 890 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:07,000 this cleverly curated vision that she wanted to project. 891 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,000 Instagram has normalized that. 892 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:13,000 We are all living on a digital surface. 893 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,000 We project ourselves on that surface, 894 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,000 and we all have a bit of Anna Delvey in us. 895 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,000 But there's projection, and there's deception. 896 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,000 I'm telling you now that in her head, 897 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,000 there is no Anna Sorokin. 898 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,000 There is really just Anna Delvey. 899 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,000 And I think in her head it's Anna Delvey, 900 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,000 and in our heads it's Anna Delvey. 901 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:36,000 You know, it's a fabricated story that we choose to believe. 902 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:40,000 Palmer: So many people want to just get up one day, 903 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,000 leave their life, and be someone else. 904 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,000 And that is one of the real reasons 905 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:46,000 everybody is so infatuated -- 906 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,000 not because she faked bank statements, 907 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:52,000 but because she actually became somebody else. 908 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,000 By the way, Andy Warhol would've loved Anna Delvey. 909 00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,000 You know what I mean? 910 00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,000 Because his whole thing was about pop icons. 911 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,000 She had the gumption, 912 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,000 and it starts with that. 913 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:06,000 Spodek: Anna was a dreamer. 914 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,000 And I know that with the right resources, we'd all be having 915 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,000 a drink at this arts foundation being like, 916 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,000 "I can't believe she did it. 917 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,000 How delicious is this margarita?" 918 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,000 Like, that's the conversation we would have, 919 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,000 but she just didn't get that opportunity. 920 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,000 But the beauty of this is she's young and life is long. 921 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,000 And when she gets out, she'll make something happen. 922 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:37,000 ♪♪ 923 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:47,000 ♪♪ 924 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:57,000 ♪♪ 925 00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:07,000 ♪♪ 926 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:17,000 ♪♪ 927 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:27,000 ♪♪ 928 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:37,000 ♪♪ 929 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:47,000 ♪♪ 68091

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