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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:09,090 I came to London in March of 1970. 2 00:00:10,890 --> 00:00:14,970 There's something about my life about getting to places slightly late. 3 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:22,150 I went to Apple for some reason or other. 4 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:27,110 They had already done the concert on the roof. I missed that. 5 00:00:29,700 --> 00:00:32,530 And the building was kind of hollow and empty. 6 00:00:33,780 --> 00:00:36,290 And then, all of a sudden, it was over. 7 00:00:36,370 --> 00:00:40,250 The small gathering on Savile Row is only the beginning. 8 00:00:40,330 --> 00:00:44,920 The event is so momentous that historians may one day view it 9 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,090 as a landmark in the decline of the British Empire. 10 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,010 The Beatles are breaking up. 11 00:00:51,090 --> 00:00:53,760 The Beatles have changed so many lives 12 00:00:53,850 --> 00:00:57,350 that the need for them still exists. 13 00:00:57,430 --> 00:00:59,270 The hope that they represent still exists. 14 00:00:59,350 --> 00:01:01,810 And as long as that exists then they have to exist. 15 00:01:01,900 --> 00:01:03,310 We're all in it together. 16 00:01:04,020 --> 00:01:06,530 If the Beatles don't exist, you don't exist. 17 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,950 It was a horrible feeling that it might be all over. 18 00:01:12,530 --> 00:01:15,990 They inspired that whole generation to go and conquer the world. 19 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,160 The whole youth culture could not have happened without them. 20 00:01:22,250 --> 00:01:27,630 What I feared was the establishment was gonna claw back pop music 21 00:01:27,710 --> 00:01:29,880 to where it had been pre-Beatles. 22 00:01:29,970 --> 00:01:33,430 Awful, awful light entertainment. 23 00:01:35,050 --> 00:01:37,810 I've been sitting here all day 24 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,230 Thinking 25 00:01:40,310 --> 00:01:42,350 As we got into 1971, 26 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,610 you could see they did not want the counterculture. 27 00:01:44,690 --> 00:01:46,480 They did not want youth movements. 28 00:01:47,770 --> 00:01:49,230 It was them and us. 29 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,400 Now my days are gone 30 00:01:52,490 --> 00:01:55,160 Memories linger on 31 00:01:56,070 --> 00:02:00,250 Thoughts of when I was boy 32 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:09,250 The dream's over. 33 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,680 - In 1971... - Music said something. 34 00:02:26,770 --> 00:02:28,440 The world was changing. 35 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,110 We were creating the 21st century in 1971. 36 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:57,090 Myself and, I guess, a certain contingent of musicians 37 00:02:57,180 --> 00:02:59,260 at the beginning of the '70s 38 00:02:59,350 --> 00:03:03,180 wanted to manufacture a new kind of vocabulary 39 00:03:03,270 --> 00:03:06,230 about what rock music was and could become. 40 00:03:07,690 --> 00:03:11,980 The history of rock could be recycled in a different way. 41 00:03:13,490 --> 00:03:17,910 We were fed up with the hippies. We wanted to go somewhere else. 42 00:03:43,470 --> 00:03:46,690 I was writing for Rolling Stone, and a friend of mine 43 00:03:46,770 --> 00:03:51,860 who had become the West Coast publicist for Mercury Records called and asked 44 00:03:51,940 --> 00:03:55,900 if I wanted to interview this obscure English artist 45 00:03:55,990 --> 00:03:59,700 that they were trying to publicize because he was unknown. 46 00:03:59,780 --> 00:04:01,410 I'd never heard of him. 47 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,910 And he sent me The Man Who Sold The World... 48 00:04:08,210 --> 00:04:10,290 which I didn't really like very much at all, 49 00:04:10,380 --> 00:04:13,050 but I wasn't about to turn down a trip to San Francisco. 50 00:04:13,130 --> 00:04:15,130 So I went. 51 00:04:23,930 --> 00:04:27,100 I remember he emerged from the plane 52 00:04:27,180 --> 00:04:29,980 and he was wearing a dress and carrying a purse. 53 00:04:30,060 --> 00:04:32,980 And I felt terribly intimidated. 54 00:04:33,070 --> 00:04:34,730 You know, he was really pretty. 55 00:04:36,030 --> 00:04:40,950 KSTN, KSTN-FM Stockton. Your official station. 56 00:04:42,490 --> 00:04:44,330 David is with us. How you doin', David? 57 00:04:44,410 --> 00:04:45,830 - Good to see you. - Thank you very much. 58 00:04:45,910 --> 00:04:47,290 Have you been in this country before? 59 00:04:47,370 --> 00:04:48,660 No, it's the first time in the States. 60 00:04:48,750 --> 00:04:51,210 - Wow. How do you like it so far? - Yeah. Great. Incredible. 61 00:04:51,290 --> 00:04:53,250 It says here that you are one of those Englishmen 62 00:04:53,340 --> 00:04:55,000 who has happened upon the pop scene 63 00:04:55,090 --> 00:04:56,630 and just captured the hearts and minds of... 64 00:04:56,710 --> 00:04:59,590 ...minds of nearly all of the audiences that have heard him. 65 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:01,340 - Isn't that wonderful? - Wow. Yeah. 66 00:05:01,430 --> 00:05:03,760 - Did you know that? Yeah. - I'm quite a guy. 67 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:10,190 I mean, being truthful, his career was not doing well in those days. 68 00:05:10,270 --> 00:05:14,570 He was kind of a cult artist, and his sales weren't that high at all. 69 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,820 After we made The Man Who Sold The World, 70 00:05:17,900 --> 00:05:21,410 he went with a manager called Tony Defries. 71 00:05:21,490 --> 00:05:23,820 And Tony Defries didn't like the album. 72 00:05:26,450 --> 00:05:28,290 And he sacked our band. 73 00:05:29,500 --> 00:05:33,330 Even me. I lost him. I lost contact with him for at least a year. 74 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:41,840 The idea was to create a new entity. 75 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:46,350 We were deconstructing David and reconstructing Bowie. 76 00:05:47,390 --> 00:05:50,680 That was the footing we were on in 1971. 77 00:05:50,770 --> 00:05:53,350 I'm reading this bio here because I just received it here. 78 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,360 And some interesting things about you here. 79 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,360 Did you know this, that your name was David Robert Jones... 80 00:05:58,440 --> 00:05:59,530 Oh, yeah. 81 00:05:59,610 --> 00:06:01,240 ...but that Davy Jones of the Monkees claimed the name... 82 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,110 - Yeah. - ...and you became David Bowie. 83 00:06:05,280 --> 00:06:07,870 There was one party in the Hollywood Hills 84 00:06:07,950 --> 00:06:11,460 that was intended to introduce him to the LA cognoscenti, 85 00:06:11,540 --> 00:06:16,250 but the cognoscenti were greatly outnumbered by these starlet types. 86 00:06:17,250 --> 00:06:19,550 And they didn't know what to make of him. 87 00:06:20,420 --> 00:06:21,630 They were incredulous. 88 00:06:27,180 --> 00:06:30,390 A guy in a dress sitting in the lotus position 89 00:06:30,470 --> 00:06:32,310 singing Jacques Brel songs. 90 00:06:34,810 --> 00:06:37,610 I kind of wished that he'd consulted with me, because I... 91 00:06:37,690 --> 00:06:40,900 I would've said, "No Jacques Brel. They're not gonna get it." 92 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:43,280 And they didn't. 93 00:06:45,910 --> 00:06:51,250 An hour into the party, everyone hearing that an Andy Warhol superstar 94 00:06:51,330 --> 00:06:53,790 was having a party up the road, 95 00:06:53,870 --> 00:06:56,880 everybody essentially left the Bowie party... 96 00:06:58,040 --> 00:06:59,380 including Bowie. 97 00:07:02,590 --> 00:07:04,380 I don't know what all that was about. 98 00:07:04,470 --> 00:07:07,760 I landed there, and I found that all I could do was radio shows... 99 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:14,020 and the odd private house where I would play for whoever we could get in. 100 00:07:14,730 --> 00:07:17,940 So I can't really give you an honest opinion 101 00:07:18,020 --> 00:07:21,230 of what I thought of American audiences because I didn't see any. 102 00:07:22,150 --> 00:07:26,700 The music industry has not been easy on weirdos ever. 103 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:31,200 And in 1971, he was struggling very much. 104 00:07:31,290 --> 00:07:34,960 Trying to find where he was going, whether he ever would. 105 00:07:35,540 --> 00:07:39,380 He'd been rejected and rejected, he'd made records that hadn't gone anywhere, 106 00:07:39,460 --> 00:07:42,750 and then just been ridiculed as a freak in a dress. 107 00:07:43,460 --> 00:07:44,970 Most people would've given up. 108 00:07:47,180 --> 00:07:51,350 By then, everything was so polarized in America. 109 00:07:51,430 --> 00:07:56,060 People had burnt out, and they're cynical and they're angry. 110 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:00,810 The "peace and flowers" love thing was well over. 111 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:06,150 Looking back on it now, it's hard to understand how bad it was. 112 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,280 The jury hearing the charges against Charles Manson 113 00:08:10,370 --> 00:08:13,290 and three girl members of his so-called "Family" 114 00:08:13,370 --> 00:08:15,620 brought in its verdict this afternoon. 115 00:08:15,700 --> 00:08:18,870 All were found guilty of murder in the first degree. 116 00:08:19,790 --> 00:08:23,050 To his family of followers, Manson was a kind of god. 117 00:08:23,130 --> 00:08:26,300 But to the California police, he was something quite different. 118 00:08:26,380 --> 00:08:28,470 A car thief, pimp and Satanist 119 00:08:28,550 --> 00:08:31,220 who'd masterminded eight murders, at least. 120 00:08:32,300 --> 00:08:36,390 Members of the so-called "Family" talked to a BBC 24 Hours team 121 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:38,980 soon after Manson had been arrested. 122 00:08:39,060 --> 00:08:40,850 Well, when I first met him, the man talked to me, 123 00:08:40,940 --> 00:08:42,650 and he says, "Why don't you come up? 124 00:08:42,730 --> 00:08:46,070 And the rules are that, you know, there is no rules." 125 00:08:46,150 --> 00:08:48,530 This drawing is a drawing of awareness. 126 00:08:48,610 --> 00:08:52,660 And I think that Charles Manson is the most totally aware person alive. 127 00:08:52,740 --> 00:08:54,370 You tried to show Charlie your picture? 128 00:08:54,450 --> 00:08:57,750 But sadly enough, you know, like, he's aware of everything that's truly evil 129 00:08:57,830 --> 00:09:00,420 as well as everything that's truly good, and I feel that he's a victim. 130 00:09:01,710 --> 00:09:04,420 At that point in time if you had long hair, 131 00:09:04,500 --> 00:09:06,460 you were judged immediately. 132 00:09:06,550 --> 00:09:11,340 You were a drug addict. You were a freak. You were an enemy of the state. 133 00:09:11,430 --> 00:09:14,430 So parents and children hated each other. 134 00:09:15,810 --> 00:09:19,020 America, there's a phenomenon of parents thinking that... 135 00:09:19,100 --> 00:09:21,520 that they depict satanic qualities in children. 136 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,400 And really, they don't like their children. 137 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:26,400 So many parents really hate their children in the United States. 138 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:27,820 Did you read in the paper the other day 139 00:09:27,900 --> 00:09:30,530 about that father in a western state? 140 00:09:30,610 --> 00:09:34,240 His son grew long hair, and the father got angry. 141 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,660 The son refused to cut it, and he went into the bedroom 142 00:09:36,740 --> 00:09:39,080 and got a shotgun and shot his son dead. 143 00:09:40,870 --> 00:09:42,420 Just over long hair. 144 00:09:44,380 --> 00:09:46,710 We moved to LA when it was 145 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,760 all groovy, peace and love, flowers and bubbles, 146 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,140 and people thought that we were kind of a joke 147 00:09:53,220 --> 00:09:57,720 as we looked so, you know, heavy and sinister and threatening and everything. 148 00:09:58,770 --> 00:10:00,810 And then Charles Manson happened, 149 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,480 and the demise of the Beatles happened. 150 00:10:04,560 --> 00:10:08,900 The timing just fell into place for what we were doing. 151 00:10:11,490 --> 00:10:13,360 Right now there's a young man 152 00:10:13,450 --> 00:10:16,740 who calls himself Alice Cooper on stage. 153 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:21,210 The hippie thing, I thought, was extremely phony. 154 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:27,210 I just thought it got syrupy as hell. "Everybody love everybody." 155 00:10:27,290 --> 00:10:29,420 You know, 'cause everybody was on drugs. 156 00:10:30,170 --> 00:10:32,300 Come on. You know, quit bullshitting. 157 00:10:32,380 --> 00:10:34,680 You know, this thing is really stupid. 158 00:10:35,430 --> 00:10:40,890 We had been concentrating on doing this avant-garde music. 159 00:10:40,970 --> 00:10:45,150 We didn't even try to write hit singles until it became obvious 160 00:10:45,230 --> 00:10:48,230 that we weren't gonna be eating unless we did. 161 00:10:49,690 --> 00:10:52,900 You know, Alice has always been very hip to what's happening, 162 00:10:52,990 --> 00:10:57,160 and we knew that we wanted to appeal to kids. 163 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:01,120 And we were thinking, "What is the target audience 164 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:05,290 for record-buying public in America?" 165 00:11:05,370 --> 00:11:07,330 And it was 18 years old. 166 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,630 Okay, here on The Barry Richards Thing, we have Alice Cooper with us, 167 00:11:10,710 --> 00:11:12,340 and that's the name of the whole group, right? 168 00:11:12,420 --> 00:11:13,670 - Yeah. - It's also your name. 169 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,220 - Yes, it's my name. - Are you gonna do "Eighteen?" 170 00:11:16,300 --> 00:11:17,300 Yeah, yeah, "Eighteen." 171 00:11:17,390 --> 00:11:20,510 All right, this is the new 45 from Alice Cooper, "Eighteen." 172 00:11:37,820 --> 00:11:39,910 We were shocked that it was a hit. 173 00:11:39,990 --> 00:11:46,160 But it was so simple and so "duh" that it worked on the radio. 174 00:11:46,250 --> 00:11:50,380 And the song was giving the 18-year-old guy, at least, a voice. 175 00:11:50,460 --> 00:11:54,010 Lines form on my face and hands 176 00:11:55,630 --> 00:11:59,430 Lines form from the ups and downs 177 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:04,930 I'm in the middle without any plans 178 00:12:05,770 --> 00:12:09,190 I'm a boy and I'm a man 179 00:12:09,770 --> 00:12:15,360 I'm eighteen And I don't know what I want 180 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:19,950 Eighteen I just don't know what I want 181 00:12:20,530 --> 00:12:24,620 Eighteen, I gotta get away 182 00:12:26,620 --> 00:12:30,960 I've gotta get outta this place 183 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:36,470 I'll go runnin' in outer space Oh yeah 184 00:12:36,550 --> 00:12:38,880 For years now, the young have been drifting away 185 00:12:38,970 --> 00:12:40,260 to a world of their own, 186 00:12:40,340 --> 00:12:45,270 unable or unwilling to accept what the established order has to offer. 187 00:12:45,350 --> 00:12:47,140 They wonder aloud about a system 188 00:12:47,230 --> 00:12:50,810 that produces material riches and creates emotional poverty. 189 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:55,530 A system that leaves many of its young with no sense of self-worth, 190 00:12:55,610 --> 00:13:00,070 no sense of importance in the home, no useful role in society. 191 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:05,660 'Cause I'm eighteen I get confused every day 192 00:13:06,410 --> 00:13:11,040 Eighteen I just don't know what to say 193 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:12,790 When you have that hit single 194 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:17,460 it's the Willy Wonka golden key because it means you're generating money. 195 00:13:17,550 --> 00:13:21,340 And so everybody's listening now, and you're not this freak show. 196 00:13:21,430 --> 00:13:22,930 You're suddenly viable. 197 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,980 We represented the great disenfranchised. 198 00:13:32,810 --> 00:13:34,190 It was a new audience. 199 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,210 Britain, so they say, is now rather like 200 00:13:51,290 --> 00:13:53,420 the morning after the night before. 201 00:13:53,500 --> 00:13:55,710 The party's well and truly over. 202 00:13:55,790 --> 00:13:58,880 The image or, if you like, myth of the swinging '60s 203 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,300 has given way to the sober '70s. 204 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,180 We've grown up a little, all of us. And there has been a change, 205 00:14:09,270 --> 00:14:12,020 and we are a bit freer and all that, but it's the same game. 206 00:14:12,100 --> 00:14:13,980 Nothing's really changed, you know. 207 00:14:14,060 --> 00:14:17,770 People are living in fucking poverty with fucking rats crawling over 'em. 208 00:14:17,860 --> 00:14:21,950 It's the same, only I'm 30 and a lot of people have got long hair, that's all. 209 00:14:27,990 --> 00:14:30,120 Three boys in their early teens, 210 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,370 and one aged 11, growing up in the East End of London. 211 00:14:34,670 --> 00:14:38,170 Already these four lives are lives at risk. 212 00:14:38,250 --> 00:14:40,420 Already the future shadows them. 213 00:14:43,090 --> 00:14:45,300 Do you ever think about getting old and everything like that? 214 00:14:45,390 --> 00:14:47,300 Think about? I am old. 215 00:14:47,390 --> 00:14:49,010 I already think I'm old, you know. 216 00:14:49,930 --> 00:14:53,270 For the new generation coming in, there was a vacuum. 217 00:14:53,350 --> 00:14:56,060 Bands like the Stones, and the Who, and obviously the Beatles, 218 00:14:56,150 --> 00:14:57,980 had led us through the '60s. 219 00:14:58,820 --> 00:15:02,280 But the younger generation were looking to find what they loved. 220 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:07,660 The younger kids feel really kind of neglected, you know. 221 00:15:07,740 --> 00:15:11,660 They haven't got their own music. They haven't got their own culture. 222 00:15:11,750 --> 00:15:14,670 They haven't got a say yet in anything. 223 00:15:18,630 --> 00:15:21,760 I remember seeing A Hard Day's Night in Brooklyn, 224 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:23,590 and I saw that London 225 00:15:23,670 --> 00:15:26,760 where it was the Beatles going to drinking clubs 226 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:28,180 and gambling clubs and all that. 227 00:15:28,260 --> 00:15:30,760 And I was very disappointed when I arrived 228 00:15:30,850 --> 00:15:32,810 to see that the UK was pretty old-fashioned. 229 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:35,690 It was actually quite a drab place. 230 00:15:36,350 --> 00:15:39,480 It was time to come up with something different, 231 00:15:39,570 --> 00:15:42,440 but the Beatles were a hard act to follow. 232 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,450 The thing is, the Beatles weren't just a pop group. 233 00:15:46,530 --> 00:15:49,120 They weren't popular entertainers. 234 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:52,120 They were artists in the real sense of the word. 235 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,960 So as we got into 1971, 236 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,540 if you were a pop group with screaming girls 237 00:15:57,620 --> 00:16:01,130 you were not gonna get good reviews in Melody Maker and NME. 238 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:06,130 The musical snobbery was really growing at that time. 239 00:16:09,510 --> 00:16:11,560 It's much more fulfilling nowadays 240 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,470 because the audiences are much more educated. 241 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,440 The people are very aware. Even some of the chicks are aware 242 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:19,730 of what kind of strings and things are used 243 00:16:19,810 --> 00:16:23,190 on certain bass guitars and things like that. 244 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:27,400 Love comes to you and you follow 245 00:16:27,490 --> 00:16:29,620 Bands were taking themselves a bit too seriously. 246 00:16:29,700 --> 00:16:32,160 They were becoming slightly pretentious, overblown. 247 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:37,120 And it was rather frowned on by some of the more superior rock critics 248 00:16:37,210 --> 00:16:38,370 to have hit singles. 249 00:16:38,460 --> 00:16:42,590 Sharp distance 250 00:16:42,670 --> 00:16:46,920 When I started on Radio 1, I was given an acetate of a single 251 00:16:47,010 --> 00:16:50,720 that I could take onto my first program and play as an exclusive. 252 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:52,800 And it was "Ride a White Swan." 253 00:16:52,890 --> 00:16:54,930 He was one of the few people at that moment 254 00:16:55,020 --> 00:16:58,270 who was driven to appeal to 13, 14, 15-year-olds. 255 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:03,610 There was very few people making good singles, I think, you know. 256 00:17:03,690 --> 00:17:06,030 So that's when I figured I ought to make some singles. 257 00:17:06,780 --> 00:17:10,240 'Cause I like singles. It's, like, a three-minute adrenaline buzz. 258 00:17:10,740 --> 00:17:14,080 Wear a tall hat like a druid In the old days 259 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,540 Wear a tall hat and a tattooed gown 260 00:17:17,620 --> 00:17:20,870 Ride a white swan Like the people of the Beltane 261 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:24,170 Wear your hair long, babe You can't go wrong 262 00:17:29,300 --> 00:17:32,720 Catch a bright star And a-place it on your forehead 263 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:36,220 Say a few spells And baby, there you go 264 00:17:36,310 --> 00:17:39,640 Take a black cat And a-sit it on your shoulder 265 00:17:39,730 --> 00:17:43,150 And in the morning you'll know All you know, oh 266 00:17:43,230 --> 00:17:46,150 After David went with Tony Defries, 267 00:17:46,230 --> 00:17:48,610 I just blanked him from my consciousness. 268 00:17:48,690 --> 00:17:51,910 And Marc was the one I went with. 269 00:17:51,990 --> 00:17:55,660 They were friends, not that they were in collusion with each other, 270 00:17:55,740 --> 00:17:58,660 but they both started playing at the same time 271 00:17:58,750 --> 00:18:01,000 with their image as pop stars. 272 00:18:04,420 --> 00:18:06,170 Marc was a chameleon. 273 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,050 When I first met him, he was a hippie 274 00:18:09,130 --> 00:18:13,010 sitting playing an acoustic guitar on a Persian rug, you know. 275 00:18:13,090 --> 00:18:17,010 He had emerged in '65 when he was a mod. 276 00:18:17,100 --> 00:18:22,310 And now Marc was beginning to move across into that blurred line, androgynous look. 277 00:18:22,390 --> 00:18:25,150 A sort of embryonic '70s rock and roll style. 278 00:18:25,810 --> 00:18:28,530 I always remember hearing "Ride a White Swan" on the radio 279 00:18:28,610 --> 00:18:31,990 and thinking that he was amazing. And then seeing him. 280 00:18:32,070 --> 00:18:35,950 And he was the first person to really wear the eye shadow and do the glam thing. 281 00:18:36,030 --> 00:18:37,620 And that's how he walked around. 282 00:18:37,700 --> 00:18:40,370 That was Marc in the street, when he came to dinner. 283 00:18:40,450 --> 00:18:43,210 And everything that Marc did was fun. 284 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:47,460 It was a time when most of the rock and roll bands 285 00:18:47,540 --> 00:18:49,340 were very masculine. 286 00:18:49,420 --> 00:18:53,880 The idea of dressing androgynously was new and refreshing. 287 00:18:53,970 --> 00:18:57,930 But, you know, when it came to music, he had a '50s mind. 288 00:18:58,010 --> 00:19:01,520 He jumped back a generation, playing Chuck Berry guitar. 289 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,390 And he was writing rock and roll songs. 290 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:08,320 When "White Swan" was a hit, I realized that something was changing. 291 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,280 You know, the kids were getting a bit younger, 292 00:19:10,360 --> 00:19:11,990 and they were selling out the concerts. 293 00:19:12,070 --> 00:19:14,110 Which they hadn't done before, to be honest. 294 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,780 And then I put out "Hot Love" and it went straight to number one. 295 00:19:16,870 --> 00:19:18,580 And then all the audiences were... 296 00:19:18,660 --> 00:19:22,330 were predominantly chicks mostly... after my balls. 297 00:19:23,790 --> 00:19:25,170 Which was very cute. 298 00:19:32,130 --> 00:19:37,220 Well, she's my woman of gold And she's not very old, ah ha ha 299 00:19:39,890 --> 00:19:44,850 She's my woman of gold And she's not very old, ah ha ha 300 00:19:47,650 --> 00:19:53,280 I don't mean to be bold But may I hold your hand? 301 00:19:53,360 --> 00:19:55,700 Once Marc got his first hit single 302 00:19:55,780 --> 00:19:59,370 the hippie emphasis on spirituality was virtually abandoned. 303 00:19:59,450 --> 00:20:01,450 And he started to be very sexual. 304 00:20:02,950 --> 00:20:08,130 Well, she ain't no witch And I love the way she twitch, ah ha ha 305 00:20:10,750 --> 00:20:15,920 I'm her twopenny prince And I give her hot love 306 00:20:16,010 --> 00:20:19,550 I talked with some of the fans that came to see the shows. 307 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,760 A lot of 12, 13, 14, 15-year-old girls. 308 00:20:23,180 --> 00:20:24,850 And I asked, "What is it about Marc?" 309 00:20:24,930 --> 00:20:27,770 And some of them were crying in their efforts 310 00:20:27,850 --> 00:20:30,310 to express their emotion for him. 311 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,770 I've come out of the front door of the Newcastle City Hall 312 00:20:32,860 --> 00:20:34,820 to speak with some of the people who saw the concert tonight. 313 00:20:34,900 --> 00:20:37,320 - Did you enjoy it? - He was gentle and pretty... 314 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:38,990 What particularly do you like about them? 315 00:20:39,070 --> 00:20:41,700 They're just lovely, and gorgeous... 316 00:20:43,290 --> 00:20:46,210 - Did you enjoy the concert tonight? - And I think he's got beautiful hair. 317 00:20:46,290 --> 00:20:49,250 - You enjoyed it did you? - It was lovely! 318 00:20:49,330 --> 00:20:53,210 For the younger girls, you know, the new generation coming in, 319 00:20:53,300 --> 00:20:57,340 he was just so exciting because they wanted liberation. 320 00:20:57,420 --> 00:21:00,260 Liberation of expression and liberation of thought. 321 00:21:02,890 --> 00:21:05,560 Yet another row about sex education. 322 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:09,520 The schoolchildren and their parents, their teachers, are all, today, 323 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,860 in the middle of an atmosphere where information about sex 324 00:21:12,940 --> 00:21:14,530 has never been freer. 325 00:21:14,610 --> 00:21:17,690 The upheaval that followed the making by Dr. Martin Cole 326 00:21:17,780 --> 00:21:21,620 of the sex education film for adolescents called Growing Up 327 00:21:21,700 --> 00:21:25,040 has opened, once again, all the old thorny debates 328 00:21:25,120 --> 00:21:28,790 about just how much children want and need to know, 329 00:21:28,870 --> 00:21:32,330 ought to be told, by whom and at what age. 330 00:21:32,420 --> 00:21:35,500 Boys and girls often have sexual intercourse 331 00:21:35,590 --> 00:21:37,760 long before they are ready to have babies. 332 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:39,590 Beneath the bebop moon 333 00:21:41,890 --> 00:21:44,260 There is nothing wrong with this, and many people believe 334 00:21:44,350 --> 00:21:48,480 that sexual experience in adolescents is essential for normal development. 335 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:52,600 People have been getting along very well since the dawn of time... 336 00:21:53,980 --> 00:21:55,860 without sex education. 337 00:21:55,940 --> 00:22:00,650 And why, in the last four or five years, has this been thrust upon us? 338 00:22:01,570 --> 00:22:03,530 Early in adolescence, a boy will notice 339 00:22:03,620 --> 00:22:05,580 that he can become sexually excited. 340 00:22:08,410 --> 00:22:12,580 I was shocked by the sheer clinical joylessness of the film. 341 00:22:12,670 --> 00:22:16,800 Sex should be fun, it should be thrilling, it should be exciting. 342 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,420 And that film, I think, might almost put people off for life. 343 00:22:21,510 --> 00:22:23,640 People want to know the facts. 344 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,260 I like the straightforward approach. 345 00:22:26,350 --> 00:22:30,180 And I think this is what's necessary. We don't want your morals. 346 00:22:30,270 --> 00:22:31,730 But now you're 15. 347 00:22:31,810 --> 00:22:37,270 What is it you want to know about sex that any teacher can tell you? 348 00:22:38,940 --> 00:22:41,490 It's the positions. Stuff like that. 349 00:22:41,570 --> 00:22:43,030 And the way how it's done. 350 00:22:43,780 --> 00:22:45,320 You want technical instructions? 351 00:22:45,410 --> 00:22:46,410 Yeah. 352 00:22:46,490 --> 00:22:50,450 Do you want to know about relationships? Emotion? Love? 353 00:22:51,410 --> 00:22:52,710 Well, it would be helpful. 354 00:23:11,890 --> 00:23:15,400 I had come to London about a year before then. 355 00:23:17,310 --> 00:23:22,650 I basically left America because I couldn't stand being there anymore. 356 00:23:22,740 --> 00:23:25,320 But it was also an odd time in London. 357 00:23:26,740 --> 00:23:30,830 The London underground press was still in full ramp and swing. 358 00:23:30,910 --> 00:23:33,660 And Portobello was the scene. 359 00:23:33,750 --> 00:23:38,130 And yet, you know, Britain had a conservative government then. 360 00:23:38,210 --> 00:23:40,090 People were trying to keep the lid on. 361 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:42,050 OZ magazine, 362 00:23:42,130 --> 00:23:45,550 like a number of other underground publications in Britain, 363 00:23:45,630 --> 00:23:49,350 symbolized the clash between two conflicting notions of morality. 364 00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:51,600 There can be few people these days 365 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,600 who haven't heard the phrase "underground press." 366 00:23:54,690 --> 00:23:58,610 Frequently they are publications which shock and offend many people. 367 00:23:58,690 --> 00:24:00,480 He's a journalist who started 368 00:24:00,570 --> 00:24:02,990 the controversial underground magazine, OZ. 369 00:24:03,070 --> 00:24:06,570 It seems to me there's an attitude towards sex which is different. 370 00:24:06,660 --> 00:24:09,450 It's now become much more libertarian and guiltless. 371 00:24:09,530 --> 00:24:12,950 OZ, for example, is extraordinarily hard to read. 372 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,580 Not merely is it hung up on drugs to an extent which is quite amazing 373 00:24:16,670 --> 00:24:20,790 to anyone who's not actually on drugs, but it is physically difficult to read. 374 00:24:21,380 --> 00:24:23,590 OZ was another planet. 375 00:24:23,670 --> 00:24:27,890 Provocative, outrageous, sexual. 376 00:24:29,430 --> 00:24:32,640 It was all consciously over the top. 377 00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:36,060 I never gave it a lot of serious credibility. 378 00:24:36,730 --> 00:24:40,980 But then somebody got his or her nose out of joint 379 00:24:41,060 --> 00:24:44,320 that OZ had crossed a line in terms of obscenity. 380 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,860 I have several members of the underground press 381 00:24:46,950 --> 00:24:48,610 here in London with me today. 382 00:24:48,700 --> 00:24:51,530 I gather it's becoming a hazardous occupation. 383 00:24:51,620 --> 00:24:54,330 Jim, you want to tell us about the problems OZ has been having? 384 00:24:54,410 --> 00:24:55,750 Just before Christmas, 385 00:24:55,830 --> 00:24:58,580 we had been busted big time 386 00:24:58,670 --> 00:25:02,920 after we'd invited schoolchildren to help edit an issue of OZ. 387 00:25:08,010 --> 00:25:10,140 That issue was intended for 388 00:25:10,220 --> 00:25:11,970 - young-ish readerships. It was... - No, it wasn't. 389 00:25:12,050 --> 00:25:14,770 It was intended for the usual OZ readerships. That's the whole point. 390 00:25:14,850 --> 00:25:16,680 The police are trying to say it was intended 391 00:25:16,770 --> 00:25:19,650 to go into the schools specifically and to disrupt schoolchildren. 392 00:25:19,730 --> 00:25:22,110 It was merely produced by schoolchildren. 393 00:25:22,190 --> 00:25:25,570 We just got 'em 48 pages of, you know, color and glossy paper 394 00:25:25,650 --> 00:25:27,240 and they could put in what they wanted. 395 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,740 And basically, that's what's got us into all of this trouble. 396 00:25:35,950 --> 00:25:38,410 Well... we were quite shocked 397 00:25:38,500 --> 00:25:40,830 with one or two things that they wanted to do, 398 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,630 but whatever they wanted to do was fine by us. 399 00:25:43,710 --> 00:25:46,300 And they all saw it as a wonderful opportunity. 400 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:52,140 The judiciary and the government still hadn't caught on 401 00:25:52,220 --> 00:25:58,480 that there had been a tectonic shift in the way young people thought and acted. 402 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,060 OZ was doing the unthinkable, 403 00:26:02,150 --> 00:26:07,400 actually telling teenage kids, "Don't get nervous about sex." 404 00:26:08,110 --> 00:26:13,410 At that time, conservatives of one sort or another went completely berserk. 405 00:26:14,580 --> 00:26:18,040 At last, the permissive society is under attack. 406 00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:22,880 This Manchester rally reaffirms the stand which Christians are taking 407 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,920 against the rising tide of pornography. 408 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:30,130 We believe in purity and love in sexual life. 409 00:26:30,220 --> 00:26:33,680 We are especially concerned about pornographic literature 410 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,640 on sale in this city. 411 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,310 Welling inside the British people 412 00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:43,190 is the desire to rebuild the moral fiber of this country, 413 00:26:43,270 --> 00:26:44,810 which has been under attack, 414 00:26:44,900 --> 00:26:47,320 There's no doubt about that. It's been under attack. 415 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:52,070 People began to talk about this as a turning point in society. 416 00:26:52,150 --> 00:26:55,990 It was a sort of crisis of moral authority. 417 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,490 I was working as a secretary at OZ. 418 00:27:00,500 --> 00:27:04,630 It just did feel that the establishment was out to get them. 419 00:27:05,250 --> 00:27:08,630 Freedom of expression seemed to me a basic human right. 420 00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:12,880 You know, unarguably something we had to defend, 421 00:27:12,970 --> 00:27:16,140 even if sometimes it went beyond the bounds of what I liked. 422 00:27:16,220 --> 00:27:18,760 I really did not like the cover of that issue. 423 00:27:18,850 --> 00:27:22,180 I thought, "How could Jim and Felix have chosen that cover?" 424 00:27:22,270 --> 00:27:24,650 Look, we didn't think it through, frankly. 425 00:27:25,230 --> 00:27:29,820 We had the idea of using the double spread of the naked blue lesbians. 426 00:27:29,900 --> 00:27:32,530 And when it was suggested, we both began to laugh. 427 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:37,030 It was sort of erotic, but it was just a fantasy, really. 428 00:27:37,120 --> 00:27:40,450 But we hadn't even looked at it properly. And then I noticed the blow job. 429 00:27:40,540 --> 00:27:42,660 And we said, "Oh, we'll put one of the pictures 430 00:27:42,750 --> 00:27:45,500 of the schoolkids in front of that. That'll settle that." 431 00:27:47,290 --> 00:27:49,920 We had already been charged with publishing obscene material, 432 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:51,760 which was just a very minor charge. 433 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,510 But they had decided to up the ante 434 00:27:54,590 --> 00:27:57,340 in changing it to a very serious offense 435 00:27:57,430 --> 00:27:59,470 of conspiracy to corrupt public morals. 436 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,350 To implant in the minds of children 437 00:28:01,430 --> 00:28:04,600 improper and unsavory desires, or something like that. 438 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,940 We think it's disgusting fascism. 439 00:28:08,020 --> 00:28:11,820 And Yoko and I are gonna propose to Richard Neville, so then he can marry us, 440 00:28:11,900 --> 00:28:14,650 and then he'd be British and they can't deport him. 441 00:28:14,740 --> 00:28:16,860 So that's solved that one. 442 00:28:16,950 --> 00:28:19,950 It was amazing how much support there was in the youth 443 00:28:20,030 --> 00:28:22,160 and artists and musicians. 444 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,160 Bands were part of the counterculture. They were part of us. 445 00:28:26,250 --> 00:28:28,710 And I think a lot of the music reflected 446 00:28:28,790 --> 00:28:31,710 the complex position of our younger generation. 447 00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:41,600 Don't you know you're driving Your mamas and papas insane? 448 00:28:44,350 --> 00:28:48,060 Oh, you pretty things 449 00:28:48,150 --> 00:28:53,400 Don't you know you're driving Your mamas and papas insane? 450 00:28:54,650 --> 00:28:56,610 Let me make it plain 451 00:28:56,700 --> 00:29:00,660 Gotta make way for the Homo Superior 452 00:29:00,740 --> 00:29:03,330 Look out at your children 453 00:29:03,410 --> 00:29:06,410 See their faces in golden rays 454 00:29:06,500 --> 00:29:10,000 Don't kid yourself they belong to you 455 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,000 They're the start of the coming race 456 00:29:13,090 --> 00:29:16,590 The earth is a bitch We've finished our news 457 00:29:16,670 --> 00:29:20,640 Homo Sapiens have outgrown their use 458 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,850 All the strangers came today 459 00:29:23,930 --> 00:29:27,480 And it looks as though They're here to stay 460 00:29:33,190 --> 00:29:35,320 I'd just got back from America. 461 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,110 And I'd just moved to Haddon Hall in Beckenham. 462 00:29:39,820 --> 00:29:42,450 And everything seemed all systems go. 463 00:29:42,530 --> 00:29:44,740 "All right, I understand what I've got to do now." 464 00:29:45,410 --> 00:29:49,120 At the weekends we'd be down at Haddon Hall. 465 00:29:49,210 --> 00:29:53,000 And David was just busy writing his songs, always. 466 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,710 By then, he was already starting work on the new album. 467 00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,840 And, you know, David was absorbing. 468 00:29:59,930 --> 00:30:01,430 I mean, he was like a sponge, 469 00:30:01,510 --> 00:30:06,140 taking what he needed from other people and making it his own. 470 00:30:06,220 --> 00:30:10,640 For me, it felt like absolutes were breaking down. 471 00:30:10,730 --> 00:30:15,610 As much as I admired artists who perceived music as being all of their life, 472 00:30:15,690 --> 00:30:18,990 for me, personally, I wanted to do something more, something broader, 473 00:30:19,070 --> 00:30:20,780 which brought in other art forms. 474 00:30:20,860 --> 00:30:25,410 And make rock more representative of what contemporary culture felt like. 475 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,800 The '60s were a coda to the rest of the century. 476 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,180 It was like the questions were raised then, 477 00:30:42,260 --> 00:30:46,470 but still, there was an idealism which, in itself, had its own absolutes. 478 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:51,770 And its own belief that there was an answer to particular things. 479 00:30:51,850 --> 00:30:57,020 And I think the '70s showed conclusively that everything we knew was wrong. 480 00:31:01,530 --> 00:31:03,610 I think it's important to point out the fact 481 00:31:03,700 --> 00:31:06,330 that a culture is an experiment. 482 00:31:06,410 --> 00:31:08,540 It may work and it may not. 483 00:31:08,620 --> 00:31:11,370 And we have to start asking that question about our own way of life. 484 00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:18,170 People were born here, lived here, 485 00:31:18,250 --> 00:31:22,050 got married from here, brought their own families up again here. 486 00:31:22,630 --> 00:31:25,180 I don't think you'll ever get the community feeling 487 00:31:25,260 --> 00:31:26,640 that we had here. 488 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,390 You'll never get it in flats because they're not real. 489 00:31:30,470 --> 00:31:33,770 This is all sort of artificial now. 490 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:44,660 In 1970, it was stated that there were nearly two million unfit houses. 491 00:31:44,740 --> 00:31:48,240 A state of limbo, when the present is not permanent 492 00:31:48,330 --> 00:31:51,370 and the future only an unguaranteed promise. 493 00:31:51,450 --> 00:31:54,290 The children play in dirt and filth, 494 00:31:54,370 --> 00:31:56,920 and are happy because they know no better. 495 00:31:59,170 --> 00:32:02,090 Me being a World War II baby, 496 00:32:02,170 --> 00:32:06,720 as time went by in my youth, things just got better and better. 497 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:12,520 So I had no understanding that things might get bad again. 498 00:32:15,020 --> 00:32:16,440 People were trapped. 499 00:32:17,270 --> 00:32:19,570 And that's what the important thing about glam rock is. 500 00:32:19,650 --> 00:32:23,940 They took this on and things changed, things shifted. 501 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,030 Young kids have principles. 502 00:32:26,110 --> 00:32:28,030 They don't like what their parents like, 503 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,780 and they don't even like what their older siblings like. 504 00:32:31,790 --> 00:32:34,120 In 1971, all of a sudden 505 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,710 the more you glittered, the bigger your personality. 506 00:32:41,710 --> 00:32:44,260 T. Rex! T. Rex! 507 00:32:46,050 --> 00:32:48,510 "You've got the teeth of the hydra upon you. 508 00:32:48,590 --> 00:32:52,010 You're dirty, sweet and you're my girl." That's nice. 509 00:32:52,100 --> 00:32:58,480 "Wear your unclean new vest and shoes and cuffs full of eagles. 510 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,940 You're dirty, sweet and you're my girl." 511 00:33:01,020 --> 00:33:06,360 "Get on. Get it on, get it on, get it on." 512 00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:17,370 Well, you're dirty and sweet 513 00:33:17,460 --> 00:33:22,000 Clad in black, don't look back And I love you 514 00:33:22,090 --> 00:33:25,670 You're dirty and sweet, oh yeah 515 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,720 Well, you're slim and you're weak 516 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:34,100 You've got the teeth Of the hydra upon you 517 00:33:34,180 --> 00:33:37,060 You're dirty, sweet and you're my girl 518 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:44,570 Get it on, bang a gong, get it on 519 00:33:47,860 --> 00:33:52,320 Get it on, bang a gong, get it on 520 00:33:52,410 --> 00:33:55,080 He asked me to do Top of the Pops and I said, "Absolutely." 521 00:33:55,740 --> 00:33:58,120 He wrote very simple, classic rock 'n' roll. 522 00:33:58,210 --> 00:34:01,380 But Marc was so outrageously cocky and fabulous. 523 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,550 He would come around and say, "I sold a million records this morning." 524 00:34:04,630 --> 00:34:06,510 And I went, "Great! How fabulous for you." 525 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,340 Well, you're built like a car 526 00:34:09,420 --> 00:34:12,140 My first experience of seeing girls screaming 527 00:34:12,220 --> 00:34:15,050 was at a concert in Croydon. 528 00:34:15,140 --> 00:34:16,720 It suddenly exploded. 529 00:34:18,430 --> 00:34:21,440 I have some footage I took on Super 8 film. 530 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,520 It's backstage, it's in black-and-white, 531 00:34:23,610 --> 00:34:26,070 and a girl is biting a piece of Marc's hair. 532 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,400 That was the beginning of the craziness. 533 00:34:31,570 --> 00:34:36,450 Get it on, bang a gong, get it on 534 00:34:37,540 --> 00:34:39,500 Marc was like someone who was traveling through. 535 00:34:39,580 --> 00:34:41,250 Get it on, bang a gong, get it on 536 00:34:41,330 --> 00:34:43,460 He was just stopping off for a couple of years and then going away. 537 00:34:43,540 --> 00:34:45,590 And of course he went away too soon. 538 00:34:45,670 --> 00:34:47,460 I've been reading recently, Marc, 539 00:34:47,550 --> 00:34:51,260 an article which suggests that you are the successor to the Beatles. 540 00:34:51,340 --> 00:34:53,390 Well, you're windy and wild 541 00:34:53,470 --> 00:34:57,810 You've got the blues in your shoes And your stockings 542 00:34:57,890 --> 00:35:00,560 You're windy and wild, oh yeah 543 00:35:03,150 --> 00:35:05,110 Well, you're built like a car 544 00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:09,530 You've got a hubcap diamond star halo 545 00:35:09,610 --> 00:35:12,610 You're dirty, sweet and you're my girl 546 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,030 "Sex is a part of it, but it's sex 547 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,250 by courtesy of the magic prince," and I presume that means you. 548 00:35:21,330 --> 00:35:23,330 "Who is going to deflower the young virgin 549 00:35:23,420 --> 00:35:27,500 - in an atmosphere of blissful romance." - That sounds nice. I like that. 550 00:35:27,590 --> 00:35:32,590 I am talking to a sick nation! A sick nation! 551 00:35:34,050 --> 00:35:37,220 I think the whole of what's called "Western civilization" 552 00:35:37,300 --> 00:35:39,560 is totally decadent to the point 553 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:45,150 that I have no expectation whatever that it will recover any moral sanity. 554 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,820 I was wondering which people you thought you appealed to most, 555 00:35:48,900 --> 00:35:50,900 or whether it's, you know, really just young girls. 556 00:35:50,980 --> 00:35:53,110 They're not all just young girls here. I mean, I think... 557 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:54,860 They are mostly young girls here, Marc. 558 00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:56,780 Let's not get away from the fact. I'd say there are 90% young girls. 559 00:35:56,870 --> 00:35:58,580 Yeah, 200 people. You know. 560 00:35:58,660 --> 00:35:59,790 200 people. 561 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,460 I have nothing against them. I'm just saying that they are mostly girls. 562 00:36:06,290 --> 00:36:07,290 It's very nice. 563 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:09,920 Marc was very pop. 564 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,220 And he loved it. He liked being a star. 565 00:36:13,300 --> 00:36:16,130 But maybe the image tripped him up in a way. 566 00:36:16,220 --> 00:36:18,140 It's very hard to straddle 567 00:36:18,220 --> 00:36:22,270 going from a pop sensibility into being taken seriously. 568 00:36:22,350 --> 00:36:23,600 Really difficult. 569 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,400 But Marc Bolan enabled young guys 570 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,020 to see that they could express themselves like that. 571 00:36:29,110 --> 00:36:31,440 That guys would now wear makeup. 572 00:36:32,190 --> 00:36:35,320 Which had not been allowed before, absolutely not. 573 00:36:36,780 --> 00:36:39,370 Unforgettable television experience coming your way. 574 00:36:39,450 --> 00:36:43,620 This will either knock you out or offend you, one of the two. 575 00:36:43,700 --> 00:36:45,410 We don't care which as long as you react. 576 00:36:45,500 --> 00:36:49,130 This is where we separate the teenagers from the adults 577 00:36:49,210 --> 00:36:54,800 as we present the always outrageous and sometimes offensive Alice Cooper. 578 00:36:59,390 --> 00:37:02,350 Our attitude was you grab 'em by the throat. 579 00:37:02,430 --> 00:37:04,810 You're gonna talk about us tomorrow. 580 00:37:04,890 --> 00:37:06,520 That was really our attitude. 581 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,190 We weren't gonna be subtle, we were gonna be sensational. 582 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,570 It got to the point where if you go to a concert, 583 00:37:12,650 --> 00:37:14,230 all you're gonna see is a guitar solo. 584 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,280 A drum solo. You know, how far can that go? 585 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,240 You wanna see something that you're gonna go home 586 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:20,910 and talk about and scare your parents with. 587 00:37:21,660 --> 00:37:23,330 1971, 588 00:37:23,410 --> 00:37:26,960 that dark character really started to take hold 589 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,250 and become the powerful image of what we were doing. 590 00:37:38,050 --> 00:37:43,220 Body 591 00:37:43,310 --> 00:37:47,520 We would do the song "Black Juju" with Alice in the makeup, 592 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:53,110 the spider eyes, and the middle of the song would bring everything down. 593 00:37:53,190 --> 00:37:54,980 Click, click, tick, tick. 594 00:38:00,780 --> 00:38:04,620 And Alice would be swinging a watch, hypnotizing the audience. 595 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:14,090 Bodies need rest. 596 00:38:17,010 --> 00:38:22,340 We all need our rest. 597 00:38:25,010 --> 00:38:29,640 Sleep an easy sleep. 598 00:38:33,230 --> 00:38:34,480 Rest. 599 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:36,940 It didn't work every night. 600 00:38:37,030 --> 00:38:39,320 Sometimes you'd hear hecklers, 601 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,740 but other nights you could hear a pin drop. 602 00:38:42,820 --> 00:38:44,070 Rest. 603 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:48,700 Every single person would be staring at Alice. 604 00:38:48,790 --> 00:38:50,000 Rest. 605 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:55,920 Rest. 606 00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:00,630 Give your evil soul... to yourself. 607 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,640 And open your eyes and be rather than seem to be. 608 00:39:07,310 --> 00:39:10,680 But come on back to us. 609 00:39:11,350 --> 00:39:15,110 A form of conditioning or reconditioning or restructuring 610 00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:18,440 of... a group of young people 611 00:39:18,530 --> 00:39:22,780 to believe in crime, and violence and murder. 612 00:39:22,860 --> 00:39:25,070 You have eyes. Open them. 613 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,840 After the show, people would come back 614 00:39:44,930 --> 00:39:47,760 and they would tell us what that all meant. 615 00:39:50,350 --> 00:39:51,930 They had figured it all out. 616 00:39:53,810 --> 00:39:57,150 We wouldn't try to explain it because there wasn't really an explanation 617 00:39:57,230 --> 00:40:00,980 other than, you know, it's just a visual theatric, that's all. 618 00:40:02,150 --> 00:40:05,660 But we had tapped into this powerful thing. 619 00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:17,420 Sometime in early '71, the proposition was put to David 620 00:40:17,500 --> 00:40:22,630 by the organizers of the Glastonbury Fair that they'd like him to perform. 621 00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:25,970 The train stopped miles from where Glastonbury was. 622 00:40:26,050 --> 00:40:28,720 We had to walk to get to the place. 623 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,890 David's wearing his big floppy hat 624 00:40:31,970 --> 00:40:35,310 and his floppy trousers and his long hair. 625 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:37,770 We walk down the road 626 00:40:37,860 --> 00:40:43,820 and eventually we get to a field where the festival is gonna happen. 627 00:40:44,570 --> 00:40:48,490 Which has turned into pretty much unscheduled chaos. 628 00:40:49,450 --> 00:40:52,410 It tends to be a bit muddy. Have you got any boots with you? 629 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,120 You do? Nice. 630 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,000 Very much looking forward to seeing you. 631 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:02,800 And see you later on tonight. And it will be beautiful, I promise you. 632 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:30,530 Girl with a heart That keeps on changing 633 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:36,120 Girl with a mind that's moving on 634 00:41:37,830 --> 00:41:41,290 Picking up on things That life's afforded 635 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,970 Loosen up on teathers Foreseen she's on 636 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,300 You don't know... 637 00:42:11,410 --> 00:42:15,490 Come on, now, keep on changing 638 00:42:16,750 --> 00:42:20,580 Come on, girl, little I want the jive 639 00:42:22,210 --> 00:42:26,710 Come on, love 'Cause it ain't gonna bother me 640 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,470 David went on early in the morning of the next day. 641 00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,100 At dawn. 642 00:42:37,180 --> 00:42:39,770 And he was gonna perform new material. 643 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,110 I think you know how I feel at the moment. 644 00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:44,190 It's... 645 00:42:44,610 --> 00:42:46,360 fucking cold as hell. 646 00:42:49,490 --> 00:42:51,280 It's gettin' a bit better. 647 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,160 We were there at 5:00 in the morning 648 00:42:53,240 --> 00:42:56,990 and the sun was literally just starting to peep up. 649 00:42:57,540 --> 00:42:59,040 And he's up there on the stage. 650 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:04,040 Most people were still asleep or heading for a place to have a pee or something. 651 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:09,630 I still don't know What I was waiting for 652 00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:15,390 And my time was running wild 653 00:43:15,470 --> 00:43:18,350 A million dead-end streets and 654 00:43:20,180 --> 00:43:23,730 Every time I thought I'd got it made 655 00:43:24,770 --> 00:43:28,730 It seemed the taste was not so sweet 656 00:43:31,070 --> 00:43:36,070 Now I placed myself to face me 657 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:42,160 But I've never caught a glimpse 658 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:48,880 Of how the others must see the faker 659 00:43:51,130 --> 00:43:54,760 I'm much too fast to take the test 660 00:43:55,340 --> 00:43:58,510 Ch-ch-ch-ch-changes 661 00:44:01,430 --> 00:44:03,980 Ch-changes 662 00:44:06,060 --> 00:44:08,320 Don't have to be a richer man 663 00:44:08,980 --> 00:44:12,030 Ch-ch-ch-ch-changes 664 00:44:15,240 --> 00:44:17,410 Ch-changes 665 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,200 Just gonna be a different man 666 00:44:21,910 --> 00:44:25,210 Time may change me 667 00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:30,420 But I can't trace time 668 00:44:38,470 --> 00:44:39,470 Thank you. 669 00:44:41,010 --> 00:44:42,020 Yeah. 670 00:44:43,730 --> 00:44:47,060 There are many people who remember Glastonbury 671 00:44:47,150 --> 00:44:50,400 as being a landmark of Bowie. 672 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:51,690 It wasn't. 673 00:44:53,650 --> 00:44:58,320 As a songwriter, David was beginning to realize who he was. 674 00:44:59,580 --> 00:45:05,830 But he hadn't discovered that ability to project himself off of the stage. 675 00:45:15,220 --> 00:45:17,590 I was all ready to go down to Glastonbury 676 00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:21,470 when Richard said, "Jim, the trial is on Monday. 677 00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:25,730 You can't possibly go to Glastonbury, take acid, and be ready for the trial." 678 00:45:25,810 --> 00:45:29,100 "Yes, that's okay. No problem. I always can wing it. It's easy." 679 00:45:30,940 --> 00:45:33,440 So I reluctantly didn't go. 680 00:45:35,150 --> 00:45:37,490 That's how unseriously I took the trial. 681 00:45:37,570 --> 00:45:39,530 I thought it would just be a piece of cake. 682 00:45:40,700 --> 00:45:41,950 How wrong I was. 683 00:45:57,220 --> 00:45:59,680 Certain songs, they stay with you forever. 684 00:46:00,340 --> 00:46:02,760 She was writing from her heart. 685 00:46:02,850 --> 00:46:06,560 We really were holding up a mirror to our society. 686 00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,600 The incredible feeling of nothing's impossible. 687 00:46:11,060 --> 00:46:12,900 Bowie came to New York. 688 00:46:12,980 --> 00:46:14,980 I was so single-minded. 689 00:46:16,940 --> 00:46:19,150 It didn't fit into the mainstream society. 690 00:46:19,820 --> 00:46:22,450 It really felt like the new era. 691 00:46:22,530 --> 00:46:26,080 Christ. We are the future. 62352

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