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>>Life is a journey.
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We are born.
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Our lives are lived.
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Then we die.
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No one can live forever.
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Or can they?
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The goal of this film
is to try to understand
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the basic fundamental questions,what happens when we die?
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What is the purpose of life?
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As we set out to
find the answers,
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we began to see that we wereon a journey, an adventure.
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Like any journey, wediscovered we were on a path.
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To help answer
these questions, we
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set out to talk to 12 expertsin the field of energy
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and consciousness.
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>>Do I, this thing I
know as me right now,
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survive physical death?
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Meaning all of my memories,all of my experiences,
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all of my friends, allof the relationships I've
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built, the last person I makelove to, will all of that
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go with me when I leave?
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And so there's two things there.
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Either it's lights out.
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Or the thing I know
as me continues.
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And I don't think the answerlies in just two things.
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>>I use an analogy of a trainride where all of humanity,
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6 and 1/2 billion of
us, are on this train.
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And we're all heading tothis unknown destination.
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And we're on this
75 year journey.
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And think how insane this is.
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We're all collectively onthis journey for 75 years.
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And we don't have a
clue where we're going.
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I mean, would that be acceptablein any aspect of your life now?
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Would you leave the houseand not have a destination?
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I mean, we wouldn't acceptthat on a day-to-day basis.
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But yet we're accepting thatfor our entire life journey.
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>>I have a feeling that
it's like taking off
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old clothes that
don't work anymore,
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clothes that don't
fit you any longer.
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You just let go of the body.
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And what's left is the realyou, your spirit, your soul.
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[music playing]
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>>The place where I
would like to begin
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was when I was seven years old.
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And my father died.
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He had a massive heart attack.
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And he never came home.
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And so that was when
my spiritual journey
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began, when I was seven.
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And that's at
least 42 years ago.
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I wanted to know where he was.
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Why did he leave?
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And what happened?
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So I'd ask a lot ofquestions, lot of questions,
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to my grandmother, who
was very spiritual.
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She would say to me, don'task so many questions.
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You're going to
make yourself crazy.
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But I would ask
questions quietly.
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I never felt that
my father was gone.
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Everyone else cried
except for myself.
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Everyone was crying.
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I felt like he was still there.
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And he was.
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>>My first experience
in really being
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able to see where a soul maygo was when my mother died.
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My mother and I always hadthis psychic connection
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even though she
lived in Florida.
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And I was up here.
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She would play solitaire
at 4:00 in the morning.
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And I'd be doing my cards.
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We just had this connection.
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And right before she becamereally ill, I kind of knew it.
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She didn't ever want
to know that you
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could know these things.
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It was too
superstitious for her.
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But when she passed,
I wasn't with her.
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She was in the South.
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She was in the South
having her funeral.
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And then she was coming
up for another funeral.
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The night that they
burned her ashes,
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I didn't know it at
the time, but I dreamt.
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And I saw her.
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And she was in her
apartment in Florida.
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And she was looking
in her apartment.
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She went all the
way in the stairs
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where you do your laundry,walked around, walked around.
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And then I saw this light.
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And the light
overtook all of me.
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And it was the
most sweet feeling
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I've ever felt in my life,of sweet, sweet love.
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And I didn't know what that was.
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It was amazing to me.
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So after that time, I startedreading, started reading
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Kubler-Ross, and, again,trying to put things together
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to say what just happened.
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And that was my first experiencerealizing that when you die,
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there's this
beautiful thing that
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happens, which I didn't know.
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She taught me that.
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She showed me that.
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And that was her gift to me.
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>>It's been my experiencethat before we transition,
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our guides and spirit guides andwhatever else we believe exist
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on the other side
begins our preparation.
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When I work with people
or I'm around people,
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I see very clearly awhite light around people
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before they're
ready to transition.
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It's happened to meseveral times in my life.
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I saw it around my grandfather
before he passed away.
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And when I had a conversationwith him, he knew what it was.
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And he knew it was
his time to go.
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And it surprised him
that I could see it.
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And I didn't know what
it was at that time.
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That was the first time thatthat had happened specifically
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so close to somebody
transitioning.
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It was very, very
clear, the white light
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that was around him.
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And he died five days later,passed away five days later.
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I've seen it a handful
of times since.
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It's mostly around peoplewho are terminally ill
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or are just elderly.
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I don't see it around peoplebefore something tragic happens
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to them.
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But I do see it
around people who
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are at the end of
their life spans.
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>>Once I went into the
intensive care unit
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and I worked more deeply
in the psychic world,
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I was able to be around
people who were dying
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and see where they went.
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And it's very interesting.
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Because during this
period of time,
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I was pretty much with
everyone who died.
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I got assigned to them.
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And if I wasn't assigned tothem, the head nurse would say,
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would you go help
Mary in room nine?
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And that person
was about to die.
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So I was meant to
do this for awhile.
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This one person that died,which was really quite amazing,
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was a composer.
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And it was change of shiftsso the night shift and day
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shift were there.
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And we happened to bewith him as he was dying.
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And they were used
to me by that time.
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And I said, OK, everybody,hold hands around him.
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And I heard his soul.
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And he became the music thathe played his whole life.
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It was amazing.
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He became the music.
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That's who he was in
his most unified self.
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>>When I am sleeping,
often souls come to me.
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The soul of my father-in-law,who passed on some years ago,
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came to me in a dream aboutsix months after he passed.
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And it was a
wonderful experience.
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Because I missed him terribly,loved the man dearly.
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And he came to tell me that heunderstood and that he loved me
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and that he was
going on his way.
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Often that happens
to me where I get
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to confer with someone
who is no longer here.
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And they have
something to tell me.
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And it's so wonderful
to get those messages.
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>>When my father, who
I was very close with,
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a wonderful, wonderful
being, had passed away,
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and this is around
the time where
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I was kind of gettingguided, pushed, and shoved
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to move away from anesthesiaand keep going on my journey.
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And I was still working.
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And I was still trying tomove through this life.
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And I didn't know what
was going to happen.
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And I was in a great dealof pain and self-hate,
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huge self-hatred, felt
completely worthless.
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It was very hard.
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And I finally hit whatyou would call, I suppose,
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a dark night of the soul.
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Something just spoke through me.
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And I set out in my room.
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I spoke out and said,
God, I need help.
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I don't think I'm a bad person.
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I don't know.
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But I can't take this anymore.
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And I need help.
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And I was crying and
pounding my fists.
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And I went to sleep.
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And I've dreamt
a lot in my life.
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And it's always
like a movie set,
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lots of characters,
lots going on.
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In this dream, it was
like white screen.
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And my dad showed up fromstage left, tie, jacket,
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looking very dapper
and quite alive.
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And I looked at him.
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And I said, Daddy, you're dead.
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I said it very quietly.
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Because I didn't
want anyone to know.
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Because I wanted to
hang out with him.
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And he said, I know.
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And he called me Booper, whichis what he used to call me.
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And I was like, no,
but you're dead.
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He goes, I know.
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And we hung out.
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And I don't really
remember what was said.
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I know he held me.
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And at the end, I knew
it was time to complete.
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And I said, so if things getreally, really bad again,
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will you help me?
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Can you come to me?
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And he said, yeah, sure.
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And I work up the next day.
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And my entire energy
and mind was shifted.
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And the thing that I was facing,within a day or two, completely
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resolved.
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>>I did have an experience withmy mother after she passed.
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It was a year
after she had died.
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And I kept gettingguidance to call my message
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machine at home.
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And I called.
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And my mother's voice wason my answering machine.
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And she just kept
saying my name over.
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Well, it was so much out ofmy paradigm at that time,
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and it totally shocked
me, that I erased it.
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And since then, I've
learned that there
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are people who claim to haveexperiences with contact
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of people on the otherside through fax machines,
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through computers, through allkinds of technological devices.
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And so that kind of opened
something up for me.
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I went, that was
not my imagination.
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I don't know what it was.
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But I'm just going to hold thatas a little piece to go forward
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with.
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>>I had, for instance,
an experience
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of finding myself, movingalong in this other dimension.
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And I say moving.
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Was I in my body
or out of my body?
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I don't really know.
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And it wasn't significantto me at the time.
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But I found myself moving along.
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And off to my left,
all of a sudden,
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there were these
beings of light.
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And they were gathered
around in a circle.
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And I almost went right by them.
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I was kind of, oh,
well, that's something.
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You don't see that every day.
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So I thought I'd go
over and investigate.
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And so I peeked
over the shoulder
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of one of these light people.
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And I looked down.
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And there was some guy downthere that had obviously
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just crossed over
from being dead,
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from going through
the process, and now
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was on the other
side of something.
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I didn't even know where I was.
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The closer I looked
though, the more
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I realized that that person thatwas down there was my father.
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Now, my father had
died about seven years
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before that of
Alzheimer's disease.
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And he had gone through aprocess of gradual degradation.
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He was a brilliant guy.
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And it was really
tough to watch him
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lose so much of his essence, tothe point where he didn't even
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recognize us anymore
for the most part.
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I was with him the
night that he died.
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And I whispered to him thenight that he was clearly
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passing away.
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I said to him, Dad, whenyou get to the other side,
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will you come back and
tell me what it's like?
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And it was just one
of those moments
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of a little bit of clarity.
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And he looked at me.
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And he nodded.
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And so I never would havedreamed that I might actually
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be in a position to be welcominghim over to the other side.
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But yet here I was.
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I was looking at him.
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And I instinctivelypicked him up in my arms.
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And I started carrying him.
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And I was telling him that,Dad, now you've passed over
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and that your family'sgoing to come and get you.
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And it just seem so natural.
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And again, I never wouldhave dreamed that any of this
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would be possible.
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I couldn't have made
it up if I'd tried.
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And after awhile, the
beings of light came.
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And they took him away from me.
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And they said that
his family is coming.
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And he's going to be all right.
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And we can care for him now.
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And I came out of
that experience
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so-- there aren't words totalk about something like that.
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Because you try to tell
somebody about death.
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And they weren't there.
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And it's just words.
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But to me it was soprofound in so many ways.
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Because it wrapped
up so much emotion
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that I had around his
Alzheimer's and seeing
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him pass.
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It opened up the possibilitythat maybe the range
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of experience in
the physical world
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is not so separate
from the world beyond
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and that maybe we
have capacities
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of moving between those
two worlds in ways
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that, unfortunately, we
maybe knew at one time.
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But we've lost the
capacity to do that.
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>>My wife has had actuallymany profound out-of-body
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experiences.
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The day her father died,
she was on the couch.
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She was exhausted.
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Her mother called
her and told her.
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We're in another state.
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And to make a long storyshort, this is about 2 o'clock
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in the morning.
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And she lays down.
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We had just made a
flight to go back
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to Baltimore to
attend the funeral.
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She lays down.
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The next thing
she knows, she has
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this spontaneous
out-of-body experience.
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And she finds herself in herbasement of her mother's house.
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And there is her father therewith, of all people, my mother.
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And her father, who wasvery sickly, couldn't walk,
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was in very bad shape.
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He was dying of cancer.
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He literally jumped up
and clicked his heels,
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she said, and was showing herhow vibrant and alive he was.
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He was proving to her that,look, don't grieve for me.
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I'm feeling great.
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And, of course,
out-of-body, people
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communicate not by words.
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They communicate by
thought transference.
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It's just normal communication.
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And, of course, he communicatedhis love for his daughter.
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But most importantly, he
was making it very clear
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that he was doing great.
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And he was glad to
be where he was.
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And my mother and
my wife's father
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were basically having a party.
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For lack of a better
word, they were
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having a party, a
very joyous party.
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And so my wife, after
that, she immediately
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come back and was
like, oh my God.
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But all the fear-based
ideas just were gone.
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She was just ecstatic.
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It was a confirmation to herthat everything is just not
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only good, it's great.
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Her concept of death was justso negative, so restrictive.
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There's very few positives inour culture attached to death.
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And here she learned, I
think, a valuable lesson
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that it's not a negative event.
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It's a very positive event.
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It's an uplifting event.
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He was free from the painof this physical body.
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And he was finally
free to enjoy himself.
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So to me, I thought it wasquite a remarkable experience.
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And I think it must
have been a great lesson
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that she needed on some level.
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>>My uncle had cancer.
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And I offered to send him Reiki.
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He lived in Poughkeepsie.
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And I lived in Saratoga.
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I offered to send
him Reiki every day.
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And we agreed on 8
o'clock in the morning.
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8 o'clock in the morning, hesat down in his living room.
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I sat down in my Reiki room.
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And I sent him Reiki.
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He was an engineer.
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The stuff didn't particularlymake sense to him.
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It was fine.
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He liked it.
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But he wasn't really
sure much was happening.
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But he was willing to sit andlet me send him Reiki every day
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at 8 o'clock.
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So we met at 8
o'clock in the ethers.
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And I sent him Reiki.
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This started in August.
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In November, I sat down
to send them Reiki.
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For three days in a
row, I felt so ecstatic.
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I was feeling such euphoria.
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I was convinced he was healing.
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A few days later,
one of my cousins
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called to say that they hadjust been to the doctor.
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And dad had six months to live.
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I was confounded.
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But I was so sure some
healing had happened.
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And then I remembered.
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Healing isn't always physical.
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So I thought something
healed for him.
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I don't know what.
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Then in January, he
was in the hospital.
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He was very ill.
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And I went to Poughkeepsie.
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And I was giving him Reiki inthe ICU, quite late at night.
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And he was dosing.
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And then he'd wake.
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And we'd chat a little bit.
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And I felt comfortable
to tell him
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what I had experienced
in November.
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During this time
when I was feeling
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this ecstasy and this euphoria,I heard his wife's laughter.
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She had died three years before.
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He adored his wife.
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And I was hearing her laughter.
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And it was so exciting.
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And I told him about this.
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And he said, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I knew I was soaking
up something wonderful.
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So even though he
said that he didn't
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feel Reiki when I sent itto him from a distance,
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at that time something
changed for him.
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And he died.
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Healing doesn't mean curing.
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Healing can be spiritual.
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It can be emotional.
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It can be psychological.
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I don't know what
healed for him.
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But something did.
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And the gift he gave
me was telling me
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he knew something
good had happened.
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His daughter and I liked totalk about our understanding
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of metaphysics.
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So we would tell him thingsthat we'd been reading
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and what we thought mighthappen for him when he passed.
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And he listened.
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He always was open to listening.
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It didn't make sense
to him particularly.
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He didn't even tell usthat it didn't make sense.
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Three days after
he died, I sat down
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to meditate in my Reiki room.
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And I closed my eyes.
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And it was as if he wasright there in front of me.
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It was very real.
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He said, I want to tell you,everything you and Betsy said,
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I didn't understand.
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00:21:02,348 --> 00:21:04,175
It didn't make any sense to me.
431
00:21:04,306 --> 00:21:06,656
But you were right.
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00:21:06,787 --> 00:21:10,704
And I saw him with
his beloved wife.
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They were all dressed up likethey were going to a party.
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And they were in the
prime of their life.
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They looked beautiful.
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They had their arms aroundeach other's waists.
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And they were
spinning in a circle
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with their heads thrown back.
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And it was a picture
of utter bliss.
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What a gift he gave me.
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It was very sweet.
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So yes, I believe there islife after death in some form.
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Whether it includes bodiesor not, I don't know.
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I think I saw their
bodies because that's
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how I perceived energy.
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That was something that
I would understand.
447
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So it was given to
me in that form.
448
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>>If you can love the memoryof a parent and that helps you
449
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and it gives you solace,
then that's beautiful.
450
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But you are not separate
from that being.
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And you do not require
that being in order
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to be your true essence
and your true self.
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>>No one is ever trulyseparate from anyone else.
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Isn't that a wonderful
thing to know?
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We don't lose anybody.
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>>According to a Galluppoll, approximately 8 million
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Americans claim to have had
a near-death experience.
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Lindsey Sass, a wife and
mother of two children,
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is a woman who had a near-deathexperience after she was struck
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by lightning on July 19, 1997in Greenwood Lake, New Jersey.
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>>Myself, my ex-husband, andmy niece, all three of us,
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were struck at the sametime at my son's swim meet.
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Luckily, I landed on the grass.
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My husband was on the street.
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He landed on his head.
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He was screaming in pain.
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>>And I saw my niece there.
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She was flat out.
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I thought she was gone.
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>>Over the last 30
years, the United States
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has averaged 62 reportedlightning fatalities per year.
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>>I had had a heart attack.
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The pain was incredible thatwas searing across my chest.
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And a man had run over to me.
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00:23:14,218 --> 00:23:14,958
I couldn't move.
476
00:23:15,089 --> 00:23:15,785
I couldn't breathe.
477
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I couldn't talk.
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00:23:17,657 --> 00:23:20,224
And he said, you were
struck by lightning.
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When my senses
started to come back,
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I said to him, help me up.
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He said, no, no, no.
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Lay there.
483
00:23:27,493 --> 00:23:29,625
I couldn't move my right arm.
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I had some movement
in my right leg.
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I could move it
enough to stand up.
486
00:23:35,283 --> 00:23:37,024
But my right arm,
I couldn't move.
487
00:23:37,154 --> 00:23:39,069
The chest was numb.
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A lot of it was very intense.
489
00:23:41,028 --> 00:23:43,160
There was a lightning streak,like you see in the sky,
490
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up my right arm
where it had entered.
491
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So he lifted me up.
492
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But as a mother would do whenshe sees her children may not
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have anything, any
love or protection,
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your adrenaline starts to pumpas if you could lift a car off
495
00:24:01,788 --> 00:24:03,659
of your child.
496
00:24:03,790 --> 00:24:05,705
There was something very
mysterious going on.
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00:24:05,835 --> 00:24:08,316
There were so many angels.
498
00:24:08,447 --> 00:24:12,015
There were so many, hundreds ofthem that I could comprehend.
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And then I went.
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And I went into the
car with this woman.
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And I turned to her.
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00:24:16,716 --> 00:24:18,282
And I said, it's OK.
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00:24:18,413 --> 00:24:20,546
The angels are with us.
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00:24:20,676 --> 00:24:24,419
I found myself in the car.
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00:24:24,550 --> 00:24:27,204
The paramedics, who were someparents on the swim team,
506
00:24:27,335 --> 00:24:30,294
came up and told me
just to rest and relax.
507
00:24:30,425 --> 00:24:31,687
It was very incredible.
508
00:24:31,818 --> 00:24:35,865
After I was struck by
lightning, the veil
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between the physical worldand the spiritual world
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00:24:38,607 --> 00:24:41,436
seemed to have disappeared.
511
00:24:41,567 --> 00:24:44,178
>>A near-death experienceis the sensation
512
00:24:44,308 --> 00:24:46,833
of detachment from
one's body, the presence
513
00:24:46,963 --> 00:24:48,965
of a tunnel of light,
the apparent viewing
514
00:24:49,096 --> 00:24:53,013
of one's own body from on high,and similar manifestations,
515
00:24:53,143 --> 00:24:56,059
experienced by people
whose heart and brain
516
00:24:56,190 --> 00:24:59,193
have temporarily
ceased to function.
517
00:24:59,323 --> 00:25:01,978
>>The spiritual experienceof the near-death,
518
00:25:02,109 --> 00:25:05,025
in words, because
it's so, so profound.
519
00:25:05,155 --> 00:25:08,768
The English language, or thelanguage of the human being,
520
00:25:08,898 --> 00:25:10,639
doesn't have the
right vocabulary
521
00:25:10,770 --> 00:25:12,032
to describe it enough.
522
00:25:12,162 --> 00:25:13,903
>>During a near-death
experience,
523
00:25:14,034 --> 00:25:18,168
the physical body
is temporarily dead.
524
00:25:18,299 --> 00:25:22,042
It's often for less than
two or three minutes.
525
00:25:22,172 --> 00:25:24,392
But the heart may stop.
526
00:25:24,523 --> 00:25:26,568
So I just want to
make this clear.
527
00:25:26,699 --> 00:25:29,615
Near-death experience
involves the termination
528
00:25:29,745 --> 00:25:31,007
of the physical body.
529
00:25:31,138 --> 00:25:33,793
>>When you die, you go
into a reality frame
530
00:25:33,923 --> 00:25:35,534
that's not the
same as the dream.
531
00:25:35,664 --> 00:25:37,666
It's not the same as
really the out-of-body.
532
00:25:37,797 --> 00:25:41,627
You go into this realityframe that was made especially
533
00:25:41,757 --> 00:25:45,065
for people who are justtransitioning from this reality
534
00:25:45,195 --> 00:25:47,807
frame to another, because thesepeople have special needs.
535
00:25:47,937 --> 00:25:50,244
They're very confused.
536
00:25:50,374 --> 00:25:51,550
>>Everything went black.
537
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,857
I felt myself floating
out of my body.
538
00:25:54,988 --> 00:26:00,036
I felt this tremendousspace of void, of emptiness,
539
00:26:00,167 --> 00:26:01,255
of total nothingness.
540
00:26:01,385 --> 00:26:02,517
>>So you die.
541
00:26:02,648 --> 00:26:05,128
And suddenly, you're
someplace else.
542
00:26:05,259 --> 00:26:06,782
It's like going to
sleep in your bed
543
00:26:06,913 --> 00:26:10,133
and waking up in a foreigncountry, in a strange house.
544
00:26:10,264 --> 00:26:11,831
It's that kind of a thing.
545
00:26:11,961 --> 00:26:16,052
So you tend to be a littlestressed and a little confused.
546
00:26:16,183 --> 00:26:18,707
>>As I was floating
out, I saw my father,
547
00:26:18,838 --> 00:26:20,143
who died when I was seven.
548
00:26:20,274 --> 00:26:23,059
I recognized his
smile, his energy.
549
00:26:23,190 --> 00:26:25,148
I felt I knew it was him.
550
00:26:25,279 --> 00:26:27,977
And he guided me
towards the light.
551
00:26:28,108 --> 00:26:31,677
>>And in that reality frame,you may be met by loved ones.
552
00:26:31,807 --> 00:26:34,331
You may have all
those things going on.
553
00:26:34,462 --> 00:26:37,378
>>I felt myself
floating up and out.
554
00:26:37,508 --> 00:26:39,075
And he was guiding me.
555
00:26:39,206 --> 00:26:43,819
And I saw thousands of lostspirits, thousands of them.
556
00:26:43,950 --> 00:26:48,258
And I felt totally connected tothem, as if they were family.
557
00:26:48,389 --> 00:26:51,958
I felt their loneliness
and their lostness.
558
00:26:52,088 --> 00:26:55,309
>>A lost soul is the
disembodied spirit
559
00:26:55,439 --> 00:26:59,313
of a dead human who is unableto function in the spirit world
560
00:26:59,443 --> 00:27:01,402
without help.
561
00:27:01,532 --> 00:27:06,625
>>Many of them either had atraumatic death experience,
562
00:27:06,755 --> 00:27:09,453
died in battle or
died in an accident
563
00:27:09,584 --> 00:27:12,239
or in a fire or something.
564
00:27:12,369 --> 00:27:16,635
Many of them don't
make it to the light.
565
00:27:16,765 --> 00:27:19,072
Or they feel like they haveunfinished business here.
566
00:27:19,202 --> 00:27:21,857
So they can't quite
allow themselves
567
00:27:21,988 --> 00:27:25,948
to go beyond where
they're stuck.
568
00:27:26,079 --> 00:27:30,039
And sometimes it's a lack ofno one has ever said to them,
569
00:27:30,170 --> 00:27:31,824
there is life after death.
570
00:27:31,954 --> 00:27:34,565
So they don't really
look for anything else.
571
00:27:34,696 --> 00:27:36,306
>>I was feeling the peace.
572
00:27:36,437 --> 00:27:37,438
And it was pulling me up.
573
00:27:37,568 --> 00:27:38,961
I was not lost.
574
00:27:39,092 --> 00:27:41,224
I already had my
spiritual belief systems
575
00:27:41,355 --> 00:27:44,575
before I was struck
by lightning.
576
00:27:44,706 --> 00:27:47,796
>>So if you have a verystrong belief system this way,
577
00:27:47,927 --> 00:27:50,581
that belief system will becomea hook by which they will
578
00:27:50,712 --> 00:27:54,368
manipulate you to get you torelax and let go and go on.
579
00:27:54,498 --> 00:27:56,239
>>There was a conference.
580
00:27:56,370 --> 00:27:59,329
And we discussed
what was going on.
581
00:27:59,460 --> 00:28:01,680
And they brought myattention down to my body.
582
00:28:01,810 --> 00:28:06,815
>>You get taken to almost
like group sessions
583
00:28:06,946 --> 00:28:09,470
where things are
explained to you.
584
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:10,950
They're trying to
tell you something
585
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,953
that makes you feel better,that lets you relax,
586
00:28:14,083 --> 00:28:19,741
that lets you get the
idea that now you're
587
00:28:19,872 --> 00:28:22,744
aware in this different
reality system.
588
00:28:22,875 --> 00:28:27,053
>>They explained to me, throughenergy and thought form,
589
00:28:27,183 --> 00:28:31,710
that it would be verydifficult on my ex-husband, who
590
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,104
was my husband at thattime-- now my ex-husband--
591
00:28:35,235 --> 00:28:38,760
that it would be very difficultfor him if I didn't go back.
592
00:28:38,891 --> 00:28:41,067
I still felt some resistance.
593
00:28:41,197 --> 00:28:43,504
Because there's
no physical pain.
594
00:28:43,634 --> 00:28:46,942
There is no emotional pain.
595
00:28:47,073 --> 00:28:51,251
>>Out there, I
call it out there.
596
00:28:51,381 --> 00:28:56,343
We don't feel the physicalbody holding us back.
597
00:28:56,473 --> 00:28:58,954
There's no denseness
of the physical body.
598
00:28:59,085 --> 00:29:01,957
>>I saw my body in
this contorted position
599
00:29:02,088 --> 00:29:04,481
on the ground under
this very large tree,
600
00:29:04,612 --> 00:29:08,224
which attracted the
lightning, and still
601
00:29:08,355 --> 00:29:11,227
was resisting going
back into my body.
602
00:29:11,358 --> 00:29:13,012
And then they brought
my attention again.
603
00:29:13,142 --> 00:29:17,059
And we talked, as I rememberit through thought forms,
604
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:19,366
about my children,
my three-year-old,
605
00:29:19,496 --> 00:29:22,369
who was in the car alone,and my 11-year-old,
606
00:29:22,499 --> 00:29:23,718
who was on the dock.
607
00:29:23,849 --> 00:29:25,154
So I came back.
608
00:29:25,285 --> 00:29:29,724
I saw a large vortex,
a tunnel coming down.
609
00:29:29,855 --> 00:29:32,858
And I felt this
tug, like there was
610
00:29:32,988 --> 00:29:36,252
a silver cord to my stomach.
611
00:29:36,383 --> 00:29:40,517
Once I was in that energyfield, I remember thinking,
612
00:29:40,648 --> 00:29:42,911
how fast I am
moving through this.
613
00:29:43,042 --> 00:29:44,565
There was no going back.
614
00:29:44,695 --> 00:29:48,612
So it's still difficultfor me to talk about this.
615
00:29:48,743 --> 00:29:49,962
Because I was home.
616
00:29:50,092 --> 00:29:51,746
That was home.
617
00:29:51,877 --> 00:29:53,748
And the Earth is a place, I havefound, that we come to visit.
618
00:29:53,879 --> 00:29:57,317
>>So it really is whatever is inyour mind, your state of mind,
619
00:29:57,447 --> 00:30:00,929
at the point of leaving
your body is really
620
00:30:01,060 --> 00:30:04,280
going to determine what
happens next for you.
621
00:30:04,411 --> 00:30:06,630
But there is no death really.
622
00:30:06,761 --> 00:30:09,633
I mean, the soul is
an eternal thing.
623
00:30:09,764 --> 00:30:15,161
>>Once you move from what wemight call believing that,
624
00:30:15,291 --> 00:30:18,468
because I read it in a book orI heard an inspirational speaker
625
00:30:18,599 --> 00:30:22,603
one time or I went
to church every day,
626
00:30:22,733 --> 00:30:28,957
once you go from believingthat to knowing that,
627
00:30:29,088 --> 00:30:36,182
your fear of loss of thephysical body simply vanishes.
628
00:30:36,312 --> 00:30:39,620
>>This body sitting hereis not all there is to me.
629
00:30:39,750 --> 00:30:41,404
I do have a mental body.
630
00:30:41,535 --> 00:30:44,016
It's where all the
thoughts come in.
631
00:30:44,146 --> 00:30:48,237
I have an emotional bodywhere all the feelings exist.
632
00:30:48,368 --> 00:30:51,850
I have a physical body.
633
00:30:51,980 --> 00:30:56,855
I also have extensionsof myself in other places
634
00:30:56,985 --> 00:30:58,682
and other planes.
635
00:30:58,813 --> 00:31:01,860
We are much more
than we appear to be.
636
00:31:01,990 --> 00:31:03,949
That I know for sure.
637
00:31:04,079 --> 00:31:07,430
>>Once you answer the
question for yourself,
638
00:31:07,561 --> 00:31:11,652
again, I am more
than my physical body
639
00:31:11,782 --> 00:31:13,523
and not say, well,
what is it then?
640
00:31:13,654 --> 00:31:14,307
Are you this?
641
00:31:14,437 --> 00:31:15,830
Are you this?
642
00:31:15,961 --> 00:31:21,183
Just experience foryourself that very notion,
643
00:31:21,314 --> 00:31:24,447
I am more than my physical body.
644
00:31:24,578 --> 00:31:33,456
Because at a core, heart
level, a knowing level,
645
00:31:33,587 --> 00:31:35,806
I am more than this.
646
00:31:35,937 --> 00:31:38,287
The loss of this means nothing.
647
00:31:38,418 --> 00:31:41,421
>>Lindsey's near-deathexperience showed us we are
648
00:31:41,551 --> 00:31:45,294
more than our physical bodies,which may lead one to believe
649
00:31:45,425 --> 00:31:49,037
that consciousness liveson and cannot be destroyed.
650
00:31:49,168 --> 00:31:52,301
This gives hope that
there is something more
651
00:31:52,432 --> 00:31:55,087
after we leave
the physical body.
652
00:31:55,217 --> 00:31:56,392
Call it spirit.
653
00:31:56,523 --> 00:31:57,567
Call it soul.
654
00:31:57,698 --> 00:32:00,222
Call it consciousness or energy.
655
00:32:00,353 --> 00:32:04,009
It will continue forever.
656
00:32:04,139 --> 00:32:08,056
>>Everything is made up ofenergy, absolutely everything.
657
00:32:08,187 --> 00:32:09,666
>>When we talk about
life after death,
658
00:32:09,797 --> 00:32:11,930
what we're really
talking about is energy.
659
00:32:12,060 --> 00:32:13,627
We're talking about
the energy that we
660
00:32:13,757 --> 00:32:15,759
are that comes
into consciousness
661
00:32:15,890 --> 00:32:19,720
and forms itself into a
being in order to heal.
662
00:32:19,850 --> 00:32:25,465
>>The word "energy" comes up asa grand explanation in healing,
663
00:32:25,595 --> 00:32:28,424
in an explanation
of the universe.
664
00:32:28,555 --> 00:32:31,471
>>Yes, this is very
slow moving molecules.
665
00:32:31,601 --> 00:32:33,168
None of this is solid.
666
00:32:33,299 --> 00:32:38,304
>>So my experience of my handas solid, it isn't really.
667
00:32:38,434 --> 00:32:42,003
It's just my
experience of my hand.
668
00:32:42,134 --> 00:32:46,486
And that's a grand
understanding and a way
669
00:32:46,616 --> 00:32:51,578
in which we can explain itto ourselves in our heads.
670
00:32:51,708 --> 00:32:54,624
>>Physical form
breaks down to energy.
671
00:32:54,755 --> 00:32:57,018
We're all energy
at a basic level.
672
00:32:57,149 --> 00:32:59,151
So energy doesn't die.
673
00:32:59,281 --> 00:33:01,153
It just simply changes form.
674
00:33:01,283 --> 00:33:03,807
>>People would say, well,that's life after death.
675
00:33:03,938 --> 00:33:07,159
Well, it's not so
much life after death.
676
00:33:07,289 --> 00:33:09,422
It's just life continuing.
677
00:33:09,552 --> 00:33:11,206
It was just conscious
to begin with.
678
00:33:11,337 --> 00:33:12,729
It's still consciousness
afterwards.
679
00:33:12,860 --> 00:33:15,515
The death thing is
just a point of view.
680
00:33:15,645 --> 00:33:19,214
It's just looking at aparticular data set and rule
681
00:33:19,345 --> 00:33:20,476
set.
682
00:33:20,607 --> 00:33:21,912
So the consciousness
doesn't really
683
00:33:22,043 --> 00:33:23,566
die and get reborn or anything.
684
00:33:23,697 --> 00:33:25,351
The consciousness is continuous.
685
00:33:25,481 --> 00:33:27,918
It just continues on.
686
00:33:28,049 --> 00:33:29,920
It's just now in a
different reality frame.
687
00:33:30,051 --> 00:33:31,618
So you just switch frames.
688
00:33:31,748 --> 00:33:36,753
>>If it's lights out, so what?
689
00:33:36,884 --> 00:33:38,712
It's not like you'regoing to be there worrying
690
00:33:38,842 --> 00:33:40,061
that it's lights out.
691
00:33:40,192 --> 00:33:41,019
See?
692
00:33:41,149 --> 00:33:41,889
I told you it's all dark.
693
00:33:42,020 --> 00:33:44,631
There's nothing here.
694
00:33:44,761 --> 00:33:47,503
Because if you're therethinking about that, well then,
695
00:33:47,634 --> 00:33:49,114
you're still there
thinking about that.
696
00:33:49,244 --> 00:33:53,292
>>When you let go
of this character
697
00:33:53,422 --> 00:33:55,729
that you're playing in
this virtual reality
698
00:33:55,859 --> 00:34:00,516
is that your awareness returnsto a larger reality that's
699
00:34:00,647 --> 00:34:01,778
not as constrained as this one.
700
00:34:05,565 --> 00:34:10,438
>>My kids used to ask me, Daddy,what is it like when you die?
701
00:34:10,570 --> 00:34:12,050
I mean that,
obviously, is something
702
00:34:12,179 --> 00:34:14,617
that comes up with your childrenwhen they're growing up.
703
00:34:14,748 --> 00:34:19,753
And my answer to
them was, imagine
704
00:34:19,882 --> 00:34:21,320
you're dreaming at night.
705
00:34:21,449 --> 00:34:24,583
And you have a dream lifeabout you're doing this.
706
00:34:24,714 --> 00:34:26,020
You're running.
707
00:34:26,150 --> 00:34:27,891
And you're playing and
so forth and so on.
708
00:34:28,022 --> 00:34:32,025
And then when you wake uphere in the morning, what
709
00:34:32,157 --> 00:34:35,377
happened to that
person in the dream?
710
00:34:35,507 --> 00:34:38,337
Do you remember
everything that went on?
711
00:34:38,467 --> 00:34:40,121
If time passes, do
you even remember
712
00:34:40,252 --> 00:34:42,341
what the dream was about?
713
00:34:42,471 --> 00:34:43,820
And they would say, no.
714
00:34:43,951 --> 00:34:49,261
Or I remember I was
and uh-- [sighs].
715
00:34:49,391 --> 00:34:51,176
Gee, I can't remember now.
716
00:34:51,306 --> 00:34:52,351
It was really a neat dream.
717
00:34:52,481 --> 00:34:56,005
But I just can't
quite remember it.
718
00:34:56,137 --> 00:34:58,748
And I said, well, that's whatdying is going to be like.
719
00:34:58,879 --> 00:35:02,535
>>All the details, they justkind of melt away like a dream.
720
00:35:02,665 --> 00:35:05,059
So when you wake up
on that other side,
721
00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:07,148
this lifetime, this
experience packet,
722
00:35:07,279 --> 00:35:09,194
starts to fade like a dream.
723
00:35:09,324 --> 00:35:10,934
Now, it's fairly clear at first.
724
00:35:11,065 --> 00:35:14,068
But the further you get awayfrom it, the dreamier it gets.
725
00:35:14,199 --> 00:35:16,157
And it kind of fades away.
726
00:35:16,288 --> 00:35:19,117
>>But for the most
part, you'll become
727
00:35:19,247 --> 00:35:22,032
involved in wherever you are.
728
00:35:22,163 --> 00:35:23,991
Just like when you
wake up at night
729
00:35:24,122 --> 00:35:26,907
from your nighttimedreams, you wake up here.
730
00:35:27,037 --> 00:35:29,475
And those things just go away.
731
00:35:29,605 --> 00:35:31,216
And you're into your day.
732
00:35:31,346 --> 00:35:34,132
And that occupies
who and what you are.
733
00:35:34,262 --> 00:35:36,438
>>When you die,
people think, oh, I'll
734
00:35:36,569 --> 00:35:37,700
go meet up with Uncle Fred.
735
00:35:37,831 --> 00:35:39,702
And he and I were buddies.
736
00:35:39,833 --> 00:35:41,922
Well, Uncle Fred's moved on.
737
00:35:42,052 --> 00:35:45,273
After Uncle Fred's been gone fora pretty short period of time,
738
00:35:45,404 --> 00:35:48,276
all of the details of
this life just go away.
739
00:35:48,407 --> 00:35:55,805
He's not sitting around piningover things that happened here.
740
00:35:55,936 --> 00:35:57,459
People have a hard time.
741
00:35:57,590 --> 00:36:01,289
They think, well, my children,my wife, my lover, we
742
00:36:01,420 --> 00:36:02,682
want to go on forever.
743
00:36:02,812 --> 00:36:04,336
Well, it's not like that.
744
00:36:04,466 --> 00:36:06,468
You can have those memories.
745
00:36:06,599 --> 00:36:07,339
They're memories.
746
00:36:07,469 --> 00:36:08,122
They're still there.
747
00:36:08,253 --> 00:36:09,210
It's in your data.
748
00:36:09,341 --> 00:36:10,864
It's not like it's lost.
749
00:36:10,994 --> 00:36:13,519
>>And you might remember afew really important things
750
00:36:13,649 --> 00:36:15,260
that went on here.
751
00:36:15,390 --> 00:36:17,392
>>The big picture stuff youdid, the things you did right,
752
00:36:17,523 --> 00:36:19,699
and the things you didwrong, that stuff sticks out.
753
00:36:19,829 --> 00:36:23,006
Because that's stuff to workon or to get lessons from.
754
00:36:23,137 --> 00:36:26,227
>>But we're standing
inside the system
755
00:36:26,358 --> 00:36:27,402
that we're trying to explain.
756
00:36:30,275 --> 00:36:33,756
So I'm not so sure
that we aren't
757
00:36:33,887 --> 00:36:38,283
trapped by our own
limited observations.
758
00:36:38,413 --> 00:36:43,592
How can we get outside ofthis system to explain it?
759
00:36:46,769 --> 00:36:49,555
That's one of the
issues that many people
760
00:36:49,685 --> 00:36:52,253
have with the quantummechanical explanation of things
761
00:36:52,384 --> 00:36:54,429
is because we're
inside the system
762
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,303
trying to explain thesystem of which we are part.
763
00:36:58,433 --> 00:37:01,175
We, as scientists, cannot beseparate from the experiment
764
00:37:01,306 --> 00:37:01,654
itself.
765
00:37:05,092 --> 00:37:06,833
>>Most people have had
a person in their life
766
00:37:06,963 --> 00:37:09,227
die or know someone
who is grieving
767
00:37:09,357 --> 00:37:11,490
the loss of a loved one.
768
00:37:11,620 --> 00:37:14,884
So how do we go on
after someone dies?
769
00:37:15,015 --> 00:37:17,626
Why does it have to happen?
770
00:37:17,757 --> 00:37:20,412
Is our death preplanned
before we're born?
771
00:37:20,542 --> 00:37:22,631
Is there a life plan?
772
00:37:22,762 --> 00:37:25,808
Maybe death is not an
accident or tragedy
773
00:37:25,939 --> 00:37:27,984
but happens specifically
for certain reasons.
774
00:37:31,423 --> 00:37:35,427
>>The old saying is,
oh, someone died?
775
00:37:35,557 --> 00:37:38,125
There's someone coming in.
776
00:37:38,256 --> 00:37:41,433
I'm just in awe of
how the universe is
777
00:37:41,563 --> 00:37:46,307
able to hold us and createand destroy and create
778
00:37:46,438 --> 00:37:50,355
and destroy and hold thatwith love the whole time.
779
00:37:50,485 --> 00:37:56,535
>>In 2005, there were 2,448,000deaths in the United States.
780
00:37:56,665 --> 00:38:01,888
In that same year, there
were 4,140,000 births
781
00:38:02,018 --> 00:38:03,281
in the United States.
782
00:38:03,411 --> 00:38:05,544
>>I don't like the word "death."
783
00:38:05,674 --> 00:38:08,851
I don't believe
it exists really.
784
00:38:08,982 --> 00:38:12,942
It's been my experience,too, that death is final.
785
00:38:13,073 --> 00:38:14,857
And I don't think
anything is final.
786
00:38:14,988 --> 00:38:17,338
Nothing in nature is final.
787
00:38:17,469 --> 00:38:20,428
It just keeps transitioninginto some other form.
788
00:38:20,559 --> 00:38:23,083
>>But it's a continuation,like the physical world,
789
00:38:23,213 --> 00:38:25,651
in many ways, for most people.
790
00:38:25,781 --> 00:38:28,523
It depends on the
evolution of the person
791
00:38:28,654 --> 00:38:30,830
and how, let's
just say, attached
792
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,834
they are to their
old form-based image.
793
00:38:34,964 --> 00:38:36,618
>>It's a sad thing
to lose somebody.
794
00:38:36,749 --> 00:38:38,316
It's emotional.
795
00:38:38,446 --> 00:38:39,752
It's a tragic thing.
796
00:38:39,882 --> 00:38:42,798
But you have to kind of
step back eventually,
797
00:38:42,929 --> 00:38:44,670
when there's been
enough healing done,
798
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,107
and think about the thingsthat it has taught you.
799
00:38:47,237 --> 00:38:49,979
There is always a lesson
in something, always.
800
00:38:50,110 --> 00:38:52,721
It's just about digging
deep enough to find it.
801
00:38:52,852 --> 00:38:56,899
Last year, I was diagnosedwith severe blood clots.
802
00:38:57,030 --> 00:38:58,510
And they went to my lungs.
803
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,948
And I was admitted into theICU for a period of time.
804
00:39:02,078 --> 00:39:04,646
And it was one of
the worst cases
805
00:39:04,777 --> 00:39:07,170
the doctors had
seen in a long time.
806
00:39:07,301 --> 00:39:09,477
And I was told that I basicallywasn't going to make it.
807
00:39:09,608 --> 00:39:12,611
The only thing I had
going for me was my age.
808
00:39:12,741 --> 00:39:16,266
So when I sat there
and they said to me,
809
00:39:16,397 --> 00:39:19,661
you have 48 hours,
48 or 72 hours.
810
00:39:19,792 --> 00:39:20,706
That's going to be it.
811
00:39:20,836 --> 00:39:21,794
You're either going to make it.
812
00:39:21,924 --> 00:39:22,882
Or you're not.
813
00:39:23,012 --> 00:39:26,146
It was very black and white.
814
00:39:26,276 --> 00:39:30,411
It was a very interesting andlife-changing point for me.
815
00:39:30,542 --> 00:39:34,110
Here I am in the ICU with thetubes and things attached.
816
00:39:34,241 --> 00:39:38,201
And family coming in andcrying and just very emotional
817
00:39:38,332 --> 00:39:39,638
about it.
818
00:39:39,768 --> 00:39:44,294
But I realized that, at
that particular moment,
819
00:39:44,425 --> 00:39:48,168
I absolutely had to stay
in the present moment.
820
00:39:48,298 --> 00:39:51,824
If I went out of the presentmoment into the future,
821
00:39:51,954 --> 00:39:55,001
worrying about my children'sfuture without me there,
822
00:39:55,131 --> 00:39:57,133
my vibration would lower.
823
00:39:57,264 --> 00:39:58,221
And I would get worse.
824
00:39:58,352 --> 00:39:59,658
My vitals would change.
825
00:39:59,788 --> 00:40:04,532
If I went into the past,
which I did have to do.
826
00:40:04,663 --> 00:40:05,577
I'll be honest with you.
827
00:40:05,707 --> 00:40:07,100
I did have to go into the past.
828
00:40:07,230 --> 00:40:09,624
Because I did have
to come to terms
829
00:40:09,755 --> 00:40:13,585
with my experiences oflife up until that point.
830
00:40:13,715 --> 00:40:18,067
And I made a definite
decision at that point
831
00:40:18,198 --> 00:40:21,767
that I was going to dieconsciously, if it was my time.
832
00:40:21,897 --> 00:40:24,465
I was kind of having theseconversations with spirit
833
00:40:24,596 --> 00:40:30,515
at that time where I hadjust been to Egypt six months
834
00:40:30,645 --> 00:40:31,951
before that.
835
00:40:32,081 --> 00:40:35,171
And it had become
very clear to me
836
00:40:35,302 --> 00:40:39,088
that part of my life destiny,my life plan so to speak,
837
00:40:39,219 --> 00:40:40,525
was to bring groups
of people back
838
00:40:40,655 --> 00:40:44,877
to experience these
places around the world.
839
00:40:45,007 --> 00:40:48,184
And so why now,
six months later,
840
00:40:48,315 --> 00:40:50,491
spirit, are you
asking me to leave?
841
00:40:50,622 --> 00:40:52,232
It didn't make any sense to me.
842
00:40:52,362 --> 00:40:54,060
But at that
particular moment what
843
00:40:54,190 --> 00:40:59,587
was most evident at that point,if it were my time to go,
844
00:40:59,718 --> 00:41:03,112
that it was the experiencesthat I remembered.
845
00:41:03,243 --> 00:41:04,766
It wasn't who I've studied.
846
00:41:04,897 --> 00:41:07,116
It wasn't my accomplishments.
847
00:41:07,247 --> 00:41:11,512
It wasn't what I had
done material-wise.
848
00:41:11,643 --> 00:41:14,820
It was what had
I done on a level
849
00:41:14,950 --> 00:41:18,606
where I was present
in my relationships?
850
00:41:18,737 --> 00:41:21,827
It was about, who have I loved?
851
00:41:21,957 --> 00:41:25,091
Who have I
experienced life with?
852
00:41:25,221 --> 00:41:27,789
You shed things that
you have probably
853
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,444
held on to your entire
life when you're
854
00:41:30,575 --> 00:41:32,011
faced with your own death.
855
00:41:32,141 --> 00:41:35,449
I made a promise and a pactwith spirit at that time
856
00:41:35,580 --> 00:41:39,235
that, OK, I'm going to stay.
857
00:41:39,366 --> 00:41:42,587
I was very determined.
858
00:41:42,717 --> 00:41:43,936
And I'm going to stay.
859
00:41:44,066 --> 00:41:46,155
And I'm going to do
what I have to do here.
860
00:41:46,286 --> 00:41:48,418
And that's important
for everybody,
861
00:41:48,549 --> 00:41:50,899
whether you're faced
with death or not.
862
00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:52,205
You wake up every day.
863
00:41:52,335 --> 00:41:53,119
You go to work.
864
00:41:53,249 --> 00:41:54,033
You pay your bills.
865
00:41:54,163 --> 00:41:54,947
You come home.
866
00:41:55,077 --> 00:41:55,904
You watch TV.
867
00:41:56,035 --> 00:41:57,689
You go to sleep.
868
00:41:57,819 --> 00:42:00,169
Is that what you're here for?
869
00:42:00,300 --> 00:42:02,476
Is that what your destiny is?
870
00:42:02,607 --> 00:42:04,173
I don't think so.
871
00:42:04,304 --> 00:42:07,089
I think every single humanbeing on the face of this earth
872
00:42:07,220 --> 00:42:09,483
has a plan, has a purpose.
873
00:42:09,614 --> 00:42:11,354
And it's divine.
874
00:42:11,485 --> 00:42:13,356
When we lose
somebody tragically,
875
00:42:13,487 --> 00:42:17,752
it's really hard to understandhow that would be a lesson
876
00:42:17,883 --> 00:42:20,450
and how that would
be a good thing.
877
00:42:20,581 --> 00:42:24,150
It's not necessarily thatthe event itself is good.
878
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,109
But the lessons that
it takes us through,
879
00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:30,156
we can't experiencenecessarily any other way.
880
00:42:30,286 --> 00:42:33,942
>>I think illnesses can bean opportunity for change,
881
00:42:34,073 --> 00:42:36,510
an opportunity for learning.
882
00:42:36,641 --> 00:42:38,207
They could be challenges
that sometimes
883
00:42:38,338 --> 00:42:40,732
occur because we
haven't listened
884
00:42:40,862 --> 00:42:47,608
to the less extreme signalsthat have given us opportunities
885
00:42:47,739 --> 00:42:49,218
for learning the same things.
886
00:42:49,349 --> 00:42:53,745
>>Many times children whocome into this world who
887
00:42:53,875 --> 00:42:56,965
die of cancer in
their childhood,
888
00:42:57,096 --> 00:43:01,187
they often were souls thatvolunteered for that so
889
00:43:01,317 --> 00:43:07,802
that the people around themwould learn compassion,
890
00:43:07,933 --> 00:43:11,893
would learn to gettogether for a common good.
891
00:43:12,024 --> 00:43:13,852
>>Picking a particular
set of parents
892
00:43:13,982 --> 00:43:18,378
is maybe more complex than wecan comprehend with the brains
893
00:43:18,508 --> 00:43:20,989
we have right here.
894
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:22,643
But I would say
that that's probably
895
00:43:22,774 --> 00:43:25,559
part of that, of that makingthose decisions about who
896
00:43:25,690 --> 00:43:28,606
you're born to and why
you're born that way
897
00:43:28,736 --> 00:43:31,260
and what kind ofexperiences you're having.
898
00:43:31,391 --> 00:43:33,959
>>I think that many
times within a family,
899
00:43:34,089 --> 00:43:36,570
when there is a
tragic death, there
900
00:43:36,701 --> 00:43:40,313
is something to be learnedby the other family members.
901
00:43:40,443 --> 00:43:43,229
They learn to value
each other more.
902
00:43:43,359 --> 00:43:46,449
They learn things
about compassion.
903
00:43:46,580 --> 00:43:49,148
They learn things
about forgiveness
904
00:43:49,278 --> 00:43:51,585
that they couldn't
learn any other way.
905
00:43:51,716 --> 00:43:56,764
It's the hard lessons
that we often learn.
906
00:43:56,895 --> 00:43:59,114
We learn best by
stumbling and falling.
907
00:43:59,245 --> 00:44:00,855
We learn best by
the painful things
908
00:44:00,986 --> 00:44:05,381
that we go through, not by thesunny days and the flowers.
909
00:44:05,512 --> 00:44:09,908
>>Maybe there is a lesson ineverything we experience here.
910
00:44:10,038 --> 00:44:13,302
The experiences may be
our opportunity to grow,
911
00:44:13,433 --> 00:44:16,305
which sometimes means death.
912
00:44:16,436 --> 00:44:19,874
Death may be the best
teacher in our life.
913
00:44:20,005 --> 00:44:22,964
The idea of soulcontracts may be a new way
914
00:44:23,095 --> 00:44:27,490
to look at death as ourally rather than our enemy.
915
00:44:27,621 --> 00:44:30,755
>>I read a book years ago byNeale Donald Walsch called
916
00:44:30,885 --> 00:44:33,758
"The Little Soul and the Sun."
917
00:44:33,888 --> 00:44:36,412
And it's about a little soulthat's up in heaven with God
918
00:44:36,543 --> 00:44:39,328
and wants to come
to Earth and wants
919
00:44:39,459 --> 00:44:41,635
to experience forgiveness.
920
00:44:41,766 --> 00:44:43,419
And another little
soul says, I love
921
00:44:43,550 --> 00:44:45,552
you enough to go
to Earth with you
922
00:44:45,683 --> 00:44:48,642
and give you this experience.
923
00:44:48,773 --> 00:44:52,037
So I will have to take ondarkness and heaviness.
924
00:44:52,167 --> 00:44:55,780
And I will not
remember who I am.
925
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:59,566
But I will give you
something to forgive.
926
00:44:59,697 --> 00:45:01,611
In that instant, I healed.
927
00:45:01,742 --> 00:45:05,746
I recognized the truth inthat, that the people who
928
00:45:05,877 --> 00:45:08,270
may be the most
difficult in my life
929
00:45:08,401 --> 00:45:10,272
have been willing to
take on this heaviness
930
00:45:10,403 --> 00:45:11,665
so that I can learn.
931
00:45:11,796 --> 00:45:13,232
What a gift.
932
00:45:13,362 --> 00:45:17,540
>>Groups of souls, soulfamilies so to speak-- they
933
00:45:17,671 --> 00:45:24,765
call them monads-- often
incarnate in groups
934
00:45:24,896 --> 00:45:26,636
to help each other.
935
00:45:26,767 --> 00:45:28,334
They sit down.
936
00:45:28,464 --> 00:45:32,338
And they plan out the lifethat they need this next time.
937
00:45:32,468 --> 00:45:35,254
Let's say they need
to learn compassion.
938
00:45:35,384 --> 00:45:39,911
So their fellow souls
in their soul family
939
00:45:40,041 --> 00:45:43,566
say, you know what, I'llvolunteer to be your Mom.
940
00:45:43,697 --> 00:45:47,396
Because I have to learnsomething about mothering.
941
00:45:47,527 --> 00:45:49,181
And another one
says, I'll volunteer
942
00:45:49,311 --> 00:45:50,138
to be your best friend.
943
00:45:50,269 --> 00:45:52,488
And I'll betray you.
944
00:45:52,619 --> 00:45:56,449
They volunteer to
do various roles
945
00:45:56,579 --> 00:46:00,670
in this play of this next lifethat you're going to live.
946
00:46:00,801 --> 00:46:02,934
They're all going
to get something
947
00:46:03,064 --> 00:46:05,110
from it, some learning.
948
00:46:05,240 --> 00:46:06,502
And so are you.
949
00:46:06,633 --> 00:46:09,984
>>Certain soul
group members take
950
00:46:10,115 --> 00:46:14,293
on that role of going
through certain things.
951
00:46:14,423 --> 00:46:15,947
Because remember,
when you transition,
952
00:46:16,077 --> 00:46:19,907
your energy, regardless
of how it happened,
953
00:46:20,038 --> 00:46:22,431
you go back to your source.
954
00:46:22,562 --> 00:46:24,129
And you start again.
955
00:46:24,259 --> 00:46:26,653
And the ones that
are left behind
956
00:46:26,784 --> 00:46:29,612
are the ones processing
that lesson, perhaps
957
00:46:29,743 --> 00:46:31,223
to a bit more extreme.
958
00:46:31,353 --> 00:46:34,922
>>We learn by not onlylearning through our actions.
959
00:46:35,053 --> 00:46:36,619
We learn by being.
960
00:46:36,750 --> 00:46:40,623
We learn by becoming thatwhich we wish to learn.
961
00:46:40,754 --> 00:46:42,016
And it sounds bizarre.
962
00:46:42,147 --> 00:46:44,889
But it's so effective.
963
00:46:45,019 --> 00:46:46,760
That's the only way
you know something
964
00:46:46,891 --> 00:46:49,545
is to experience it, to be it.
965
00:46:49,676 --> 00:46:51,634
>>And all of thosevarious roles that we play
966
00:46:51,765 --> 00:46:56,030
teach us something about
the human experience,
967
00:46:56,161 --> 00:46:57,771
about the soul experience.
968
00:46:57,902 --> 00:47:01,035
And we kind of have to
play all those roles
969
00:47:01,166 --> 00:47:03,908
to reach the point
of enlightenment.
970
00:47:04,038 --> 00:47:06,127
>>I think our soul isreveling in the opportunity
971
00:47:06,258 --> 00:47:09,609
to try on different suits
of clothes, if you will,
972
00:47:09,739 --> 00:47:12,742
different bodies,
different experiences.
973
00:47:12,873 --> 00:47:16,050
And it's all in itsjourney back to wholeness,
974
00:47:16,181 --> 00:47:18,879
back to being complete.
975
00:47:19,010 --> 00:47:23,492
>>We have to know whatit's like to be a murderer,
976
00:47:23,623 --> 00:47:29,585
to be murdered, to be hated, tobe loved, to be compassionate.
977
00:47:29,716 --> 00:47:34,416
A complete and totalawareness that we're all one,
978
00:47:34,547 --> 00:47:39,813
that there is no
separation, that you
979
00:47:39,944 --> 00:47:45,775
can love the poor soul
that's in the gutter,
980
00:47:45,906 --> 00:47:49,562
the drunk, that you
can love the murderer.
981
00:47:49,692 --> 00:47:54,610
You can love every onejust as if they were you.
982
00:47:54,741 --> 00:47:57,918
That, to me, is theultimate in enlightenment.
983
00:47:58,049 --> 00:48:02,009
>>So we make the soul
contract as a spirit.
984
00:48:02,140 --> 00:48:05,447
Then, we come in through
the act of conception.
985
00:48:05,578 --> 00:48:08,494
We dream our life in the womb.
986
00:48:08,624 --> 00:48:11,323
And when we come out into thephysical plane, we manifest it.
987
00:48:18,156 --> 00:48:24,597
>>On average, 3,000 peoplecommit suicide every day,
988
00:48:24,727 --> 00:48:29,994
the global mortality rate ofone completed suicide every 30
989
00:48:30,124 --> 00:48:31,778
seconds.
990
00:48:31,909 --> 00:48:35,738
One of the most perplexing anddifficult deaths to deal with
991
00:48:35,869 --> 00:48:37,566
is death by suicide.
992
00:48:37,697 --> 00:48:40,352
It is difficult for
those left behind
993
00:48:40,482 --> 00:48:45,009
to put the pieces together, tofigure out why this happened.
994
00:48:45,139 --> 00:48:50,362
>>Suicide's a bad idea becauseyou're leaving opportunity
995
00:48:50,492 --> 00:48:51,189
behind.
996
00:48:51,319 --> 00:48:52,407
You don't pass go.
997
00:48:52,538 --> 00:48:53,365
You don't collect $200.
998
00:48:53,495 --> 00:48:55,236
You just start over.
999
00:48:55,367 --> 00:48:59,632
And that's a waste of
your time and effort.
1000
00:48:59,762 --> 00:49:01,242
It's a very traumatic way to go.
1001
00:49:01,373 --> 00:49:03,679
When you go to
suicide, you're usually
1002
00:49:03,810 --> 00:49:09,033
a very traumatized,
self-focused.
1003
00:49:09,163 --> 00:49:11,035
Because before you
get to that point,
1004
00:49:11,165 --> 00:49:13,037
you have to be veryself-focused to get there.
1005
00:49:13,167 --> 00:49:14,647
Now, I'm not talking
about somebody
1006
00:49:14,777 --> 00:49:16,910
who's about to die with aterrible, painful disease.
1007
00:49:17,041 --> 00:49:19,695
And they want to
end it a month early
1008
00:49:19,826 --> 00:49:21,741
because it's very expensive.
1009
00:49:21,871 --> 00:49:23,177
And it's just torture for them.
1010
00:49:23,308 --> 00:49:24,178
Or they're drugged up.
1011
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:25,701
That's different.
1012
00:49:25,832 --> 00:49:27,921
I'm talking about asuicide where somebody just
1013
00:49:28,052 --> 00:49:29,618
gets fed up with
life or whatever.
1014
00:49:29,749 --> 00:49:30,793
And they want to end it all.
1015
00:49:30,924 --> 00:49:32,447
Very bad idea.
1016
00:49:32,578 --> 00:49:33,971
You're so traumatized.
1017
00:49:34,101 --> 00:49:36,190
You're so self-focusedwhen you get to that point
1018
00:49:36,321 --> 00:49:40,064
that it makes yourtransition very difficult.
1019
00:49:40,194 --> 00:49:43,893
It damages your psyche,
your consciousness
1020
00:49:44,024 --> 00:49:47,245
to some degree in that
it makes it easier
1021
00:49:47,375 --> 00:49:48,855
for you to do that
again the next time.
1022
00:49:54,687 --> 00:49:56,428
>>So it can get
into a cycle where
1023
00:49:56,558 --> 00:50:00,998
people get to a toughspot, suicide's the answer
1024
00:50:01,128 --> 00:50:03,087
because they've done
that two or three times
1025
00:50:03,217 --> 00:50:04,871
already in various lifetimes.
1026
00:50:05,002 --> 00:50:08,222
So it's not a trend youwant to start to begin with.
1027
00:50:08,353 --> 00:50:10,833
Secondly, it wastes
the time you have here.
1028
00:50:10,964 --> 00:50:16,230
You've already spent 20 or 30years, or at least 15 or 16
1029
00:50:16,361 --> 00:50:18,363
years, getting through
the stuff phase.
1030
00:50:25,979 --> 00:50:31,071
>>It takes you probably 30 or40 years to get to the point
1031
00:50:31,202 --> 00:50:34,074
that you've worked
through all the stuff
1032
00:50:34,205 --> 00:50:38,078
that you have to work throughto where you really start asking
1033
00:50:38,209 --> 00:50:41,168
big picture questions, towhere the quality of your being
1034
00:50:41,299 --> 00:50:43,127
and your life start tomake a difference to you.
1035
00:50:43,257 --> 00:50:45,042
When you're 25
years old, you don't
1036
00:50:45,172 --> 00:50:47,131
think about the
quality of your being.
1037
00:50:47,261 --> 00:50:50,221
You think about the weekendand where you're going to go
1038
00:50:50,351 --> 00:50:52,527
and the fun you're going tohave and your relationships.
1039
00:50:52,658 --> 00:50:57,793
And you're so filled withliving this physical life
1040
00:50:57,924 --> 00:51:02,494
that the bigger dimensions to itgenerally aren't much in focus.
1041
00:51:02,624 --> 00:51:05,627
So you have to go throughmaybe 30, sometimes 40, years
1042
00:51:05,758 --> 00:51:10,632
before you really
start to care about,
1043
00:51:10,763 --> 00:51:12,199
what's the significance of me?
1044
00:51:12,330 --> 00:51:14,158
What am I doing here?
1045
00:51:14,288 --> 00:51:15,681
Why am I turning this crank?
1046
00:51:15,811 --> 00:51:17,639
What's the bigger purpose?
1047
00:51:17,770 --> 00:51:19,989
And those questions
start to bubble up.
1048
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,471
Well, that's not
the time to leave.
1049
00:51:23,602 --> 00:51:26,431
That's just the
time to get to work.
1050
00:51:26,561 --> 00:51:28,346
>>Each suicide
intimately affects
1051
00:51:28,476 --> 00:51:29,651
at least six other people.
1052
00:51:33,046 --> 00:51:35,048
>>We grow through drama.
1053
00:51:35,179 --> 00:51:36,658
Call it good, bad,
or indifferent.
1054
00:51:36,789 --> 00:51:40,967
We create drama for training,for learning purposes.
1055
00:51:41,098 --> 00:51:43,143
It's even the purpose for wars.
1056
00:51:43,274 --> 00:51:49,584
People learn through
drama, through conflict.
1057
00:51:49,715 --> 00:51:52,152
That's just the state of
consciousness we're in.
1058
00:51:52,283 --> 00:51:53,893
>>And the Earth is a
place, I have found,
1059
00:51:54,023 --> 00:51:55,024
that we come to visit.
1060
00:51:55,155 --> 00:51:56,287
No one stays here.
1061
00:51:56,417 --> 00:51:58,550
No matter how
attached a person is,
1062
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,379
this is a school wherewe come to learn lessons.
1063
00:52:01,509 --> 00:52:03,903
>>It's a decision to come
into the physical plane.
1064
00:52:04,033 --> 00:52:05,426
It really is a
decision to come here.
1065
00:52:05,557 --> 00:52:06,514
This is a schoolhouse.
1066
00:52:06,645 --> 00:52:08,255
We're here to learn something.
1067
00:52:08,386 --> 00:52:12,607
We're here to evolve our spiritthrough certain experiences,
1068
00:52:12,738 --> 00:52:15,349
through certain lessons
that we've learned.
1069
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:22,182
>>There's something that'sbuilt into this world that
1070
00:52:22,313 --> 00:52:24,271
is kind of unique, I
think, in many ways.
1071
00:52:24,402 --> 00:52:26,012
We live in a world
of contrasts, meaning
1072
00:52:26,143 --> 00:52:29,363
there's dark and light, maleand female, and big and little,
1073
00:52:29,494 --> 00:52:31,409
up and down.
1074
00:52:31,539 --> 00:52:35,630
And those contrasts, in someways, can be sort of painful.
1075
00:52:35,761 --> 00:52:37,980
Because some of that feels good.
1076
00:52:38,111 --> 00:52:40,157
And some of it doesn't.
1077
00:52:40,287 --> 00:52:42,202
But I think all of
that works together
1078
00:52:42,333 --> 00:52:48,861
in a way that sort of crafts oursoul in ways that we might not
1079
00:52:48,991 --> 00:52:51,864
be able to do in differenttypes of environments.
1080
00:52:51,994 --> 00:52:53,909
>>You have to grow up.
1081
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:55,955
You have to lower the entryof your consciousness.
1082
00:52:56,085 --> 00:52:56,738
You have to evolve.
1083
00:53:00,916 --> 00:53:04,746
If you're here and untilyou evolve to the next step,
1084
00:53:04,877 --> 00:53:07,009
you're still here.
1085
00:53:07,140 --> 00:53:09,795
And until you evolve to thenext step, you're still here.
1086
00:53:09,925 --> 00:53:13,277
So just dying doesn't changea whole lot other than
1087
00:53:13,407 --> 00:53:14,974
put you in a different reality.
1088
00:53:15,104 --> 00:53:16,758
Let you plan the next thing.
1089
00:53:16,889 --> 00:53:18,238
Then you go on.
1090
00:53:18,369 --> 00:53:22,155
So it's not really the
big, oh, after I die,
1091
00:53:22,286 --> 00:53:26,725
I'm going to go meet Gabrieland do this and do that.
1092
00:53:26,855 --> 00:53:28,335
And you have all of
these expectations.
1093
00:53:28,466 --> 00:53:29,641
And I'll know everything.
1094
00:53:29,771 --> 00:53:32,296
All the secrets will
be revealed to me.
1095
00:53:32,426 --> 00:53:33,384
It isn't like that.
1096
00:53:36,125 --> 00:53:37,388
There's no free lunch.
1097
00:53:37,518 --> 00:53:41,043
You don't grow up just
because you want to,
1098
00:53:41,174 --> 00:53:42,610
just because you
think it would be nice
1099
00:53:42,741 --> 00:53:45,744
or just because you've
switched reality frames.
1100
00:53:45,874 --> 00:53:47,267
>>Some say, before
enlightenment,
1101
00:53:47,398 --> 00:53:48,660
chop wood, carry water.
1102
00:53:48,790 --> 00:53:50,183
After enlightenment,
chop wood, carry water.
1103
00:53:50,314 --> 00:53:51,967
Well, you do your job.
1104
00:53:52,098 --> 00:53:53,491
You live your life.
1105
00:53:53,621 --> 00:53:56,668
You serve the purposethat you're here to serve.
1106
00:53:56,798 --> 00:53:59,236
And you do it selflessly.
1107
00:53:59,366 --> 00:54:02,021
You do it lovingly.
1108
00:54:02,151 --> 00:54:03,631
You enjoy it.
1109
00:54:03,762 --> 00:54:05,764
We're not here to suffer.
1110
00:54:05,894 --> 00:54:10,899
There is a beautifulmantra, Om Namah Shivaya.
1111
00:54:11,030 --> 00:54:12,161
Nothing is mine.
1112
00:54:12,292 --> 00:54:13,554
Everything is thine.
1113
00:54:13,685 --> 00:54:16,514
Everything is here for
me to use and enjoy
1114
00:54:16,644 --> 00:54:20,344
but not to possess
nor be possessed by.
1115
00:54:20,474 --> 00:54:23,303
So we are here,
Om Namah Shivaya,
1116
00:54:23,434 --> 00:54:28,830
to live this beautiful placewe've all manifest into.
1117
00:54:28,961 --> 00:54:31,659
How lucky are we?
1118
00:54:31,790 --> 00:54:34,575
And how lucky are we to
have people in our lives
1119
00:54:34,706 --> 00:54:38,318
to love and to care with?
1120
00:54:38,449 --> 00:54:41,669
>>It really all comesback to being about love.
1121
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:43,367
Everything is based in love.
1122
00:54:43,497 --> 00:54:45,369
And we separate
ourselves from it.
1123
00:54:45,499 --> 00:54:48,197
Our ego's job is to kind
of keep us separate.
1124
00:54:48,328 --> 00:54:50,417
As I'm trying to come
to the understanding
1125
00:54:50,548 --> 00:54:53,420
that I'm really not
separate, the ego's
1126
00:54:53,551 --> 00:54:56,075
apt to freak out, give
me all kinds of reasons
1127
00:54:56,205 --> 00:54:58,033
to believe that I'm separate.
1128
00:54:58,164 --> 00:54:58,817
Well, look at this.
1129
00:54:58,947 --> 00:54:59,818
Look at that.
1130
00:54:59,948 --> 00:55:00,514
Of course you're separate.
1131
00:55:00,645 --> 00:55:01,210
You're separate.
1132
00:55:01,341 --> 00:55:02,168
You're unique.
1133
00:55:02,299 --> 00:55:03,952
You're distinct, whatever.
1134
00:55:04,083 --> 00:55:09,915
And my soul is striving throughall of this to reach oneness.
1135
00:55:10,045 --> 00:55:13,614
My ego is having the
opportunity to morph,
1136
00:55:13,745 --> 00:55:15,181
to take on a different job.
1137
00:55:15,312 --> 00:55:16,835
I've asked my ego
if it wouldn't like
1138
00:55:16,965 --> 00:55:23,624
to help me to rememberthat I'm part of the whole
1139
00:55:23,755 --> 00:55:27,498
rather than needing
to be separate.
1140
00:55:27,628 --> 00:55:29,587
>>What is it that you believe?
1141
00:55:29,717 --> 00:55:31,240
What were you taught
as a young child
1142
00:55:31,371 --> 00:55:33,155
about what happens when you die?
1143
00:55:33,286 --> 00:55:35,941
Do you still carry
those same beliefs?
1144
00:55:36,071 --> 00:55:38,160
Or have they changed?
1145
00:55:38,291 --> 00:55:41,033
Many people rely on
religion or beliefs
1146
00:55:41,163 --> 00:55:44,950
to help understand wherethe soul goes when it dies.
1147
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,648
Many of us hold
onto those beliefs.
1148
00:55:47,779 --> 00:55:50,521
However, can these
beliefs sometimes
1149
00:55:50,651 --> 00:55:54,438
limit us from exploring
other possibilities
1150
00:55:54,568 --> 00:55:57,484
as to what happens when we die?
1151
00:55:57,615 --> 00:55:59,704
>>Seminary was a
process of dismantling
1152
00:55:59,834 --> 00:56:01,488
a lot of my beliefs.
1153
00:56:01,619 --> 00:56:05,623
Before I went to seminary, I hadmy beliefs pretty well in mind.
1154
00:56:05,753 --> 00:56:09,670
I usually say that mystory begins in many ways
1155
00:56:09,801 --> 00:56:13,065
when I fell off of the roof
of an underground house.
1156
00:56:13,195 --> 00:56:15,328
This was back in the 1970s.
1157
00:56:15,459 --> 00:56:17,896
And my brother and I had
a construction company.
1158
00:56:18,026 --> 00:56:20,420
And this was the
first energy crisis.
1159
00:56:20,551 --> 00:56:23,292
And so people were exploringall kinds of different ways
1160
00:56:23,423 --> 00:56:27,558
to save energy in buildingand in cars and whatnot.
1161
00:56:27,688 --> 00:56:30,256
So my brother and I thoughtthat underground houses
1162
00:56:30,387 --> 00:56:32,998
were the wave of the future.
1163
00:56:33,128 --> 00:56:36,218
And one day we were
building a home.
1164
00:56:36,349 --> 00:56:37,655
They're made out of concrete.
1165
00:56:37,785 --> 00:56:39,178
And I was up on top of the roof.
1166
00:56:39,308 --> 00:56:42,268
And we had just poured
the concrete roof.
1167
00:56:42,399 --> 00:56:44,052
And I was pulling
on a form board.
1168
00:56:44,183 --> 00:56:45,532
And all of a
sudden, it gave way.
1169
00:56:45,663 --> 00:56:48,361
And I found myself
falling off of the roof.
1170
00:56:48,492 --> 00:56:52,321
And I didn't even have anytime to adjust to the fall.
1171
00:56:52,452 --> 00:56:54,715
And I slammed into
a pile of gravel.
1172
00:56:54,846 --> 00:56:56,238
And I didn't know
it at the time.
1173
00:56:56,369 --> 00:56:58,502
But I ended up
fracturing my hip.
1174
00:56:58,632 --> 00:57:00,895
They put me in physical therapy.
1175
00:57:01,026 --> 00:57:03,637
And I found out that, whenI was in physical therapy,
1176
00:57:03,768 --> 00:57:05,334
that I was in
extraordinary pain.
1177
00:57:05,465 --> 00:57:06,858
And so the doctor
came by one day.
1178
00:57:06,988 --> 00:57:08,860
And he looked at me andsaid, you're really hurting,
1179
00:57:08,990 --> 00:57:09,687
aren't you?
1180
00:57:09,817 --> 00:57:11,471
And I said, yeah.
1181
00:57:11,602 --> 00:57:14,256
And he said, well, let's takesome more x-rays of that hip.
1182
00:57:14,387 --> 00:57:17,956
And so when they did,taking at an oblique angle,
1183
00:57:18,086 --> 00:57:20,088
they did find that there
was a fracture there.
1184
00:57:20,219 --> 00:57:21,525
The doctor comes
in and says, I'm
1185
00:57:21,655 --> 00:57:23,222
going to be off
work for six weeks
1186
00:57:23,352 --> 00:57:25,137
and that I would be in traction.
1187
00:57:25,267 --> 00:57:28,749
And so I went into thisspiral of pain and anxiety
1188
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:33,145
at that time, pain because thehip was pretty excruciating.
1189
00:57:33,275 --> 00:57:38,193
So I just kind of went
spiraling downward.
1190
00:57:38,324 --> 00:57:40,935
And all of a sudden,
I popped through
1191
00:57:41,066 --> 00:57:44,025
into an entirely
different reality.
1192
00:57:44,156 --> 00:57:47,725
And in this reality, all ofthe pain that I had in my hip
1193
00:57:47,855 --> 00:57:49,422
completely disappeared.
1194
00:57:49,553 --> 00:57:51,729
The anxiety evaporated.
1195
00:57:51,859 --> 00:57:56,385
I found myself surroundedby complete peace.
1196
00:57:56,516 --> 00:57:58,779
After awhile, I
was also standing
1197
00:57:58,910 --> 00:58:00,346
in front of this being of light.
1198
00:58:00,477 --> 00:58:04,524
And we were conversingabout my life without words.
1199
00:58:04,655 --> 00:58:06,700
And I came out of that
experience so stunned.
1200
00:58:06,831 --> 00:58:10,617
Because I had no ideathat another reality like
1201
00:58:10,748 --> 00:58:13,925
that even existed,
much less the idea
1202
00:58:14,055 --> 00:58:16,754
that you might be
able to experience it.
1203
00:58:16,884 --> 00:58:19,234
Well, I had beenwrestling with an issue of
1204
00:58:19,365 --> 00:58:21,280
whether or not I
should go to seminary.
1205
00:58:21,410 --> 00:58:23,891
Because I really felt
a call to the ministry.
1206
00:58:24,022 --> 00:58:25,458
And, of course, my
immediate reaction
1207
00:58:25,589 --> 00:58:26,894
was, well, this is
the voice of God.
1208
00:58:27,025 --> 00:58:28,809
And I need to go into seminary.
1209
00:58:28,940 --> 00:58:31,943
So I took my wife and, atthat time, two children.
1210
00:58:32,073 --> 00:58:35,512
And we went to Princeton
Theological Seminary.
1211
00:58:35,642 --> 00:58:37,992
And I went through the
three years of training
1212
00:58:38,123 --> 00:58:40,081
to get my Master's Degreethere and then became
1213
00:58:40,212 --> 00:58:43,041
a Presbyterian pastor.
1214
00:58:43,171 --> 00:58:44,825
But as the years
went on, I began
1215
00:58:44,956 --> 00:58:47,567
to realize that the realpurpose of that experience
1216
00:58:47,698 --> 00:58:49,874
was to give me a
taste of something
1217
00:58:50,004 --> 00:58:54,095
and to create a hunger forsomething that I knew that
1218
00:58:54,226 --> 00:58:56,402
deep down in my bones
that I had to understand
1219
00:58:56,533 --> 00:58:58,447
and to explore more fully.
1220
00:58:58,578 --> 00:59:00,841
That hunger was so intense.
1221
00:59:00,972 --> 00:59:03,583
It was even more intensifiedas I went into the ministry
1222
00:59:03,714 --> 00:59:07,195
because there weren't a lotof people who were speaking
1223
00:59:07,326 --> 00:59:10,198
about that kind of thing,at least in my church.
1224
00:59:10,329 --> 00:59:15,464
And so I found myself in thisstate of tension, if you will,
1225
00:59:15,595 --> 00:59:18,032
between where I
really wanted to go
1226
00:59:18,163 --> 00:59:20,165
and what I really
wanted to explore
1227
00:59:20,295 --> 00:59:24,169
and the appearances
that I had to keep up
1228
00:59:24,299 --> 00:59:25,953
in my role as a pastor.
1229
00:59:26,084 --> 00:59:28,521
I went into what was thencalled the world's largest
1230
00:59:28,652 --> 00:59:30,654
bookstore in Toronto, Canada.
1231
00:59:30,784 --> 00:59:32,481
And when you go into
this place, there
1232
00:59:32,612 --> 00:59:34,788
are books just as far
as the eye can see.
1233
00:59:34,919 --> 00:59:37,922
I mean, literally
millions of books.
1234
00:59:38,052 --> 00:59:39,532
I wasn't in there
but two minutes
1235
00:59:39,663 --> 00:59:42,100
when, all of a sudden, onebook jumped off the shelf.
1236
00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:45,712
And it was Bob Monroe'ssecond book, "Far Journeys."
1237
00:59:45,843 --> 00:59:47,627
When I started
reading that thing,
1238
00:59:47,758 --> 00:59:49,890
I simply couldn't
put the thing down.
1239
00:59:50,021 --> 00:59:51,892
It was so stunning to me.
1240
00:59:52,023 --> 00:59:54,373
Here, for the first
time, was somebody
1241
00:59:54,503 --> 00:59:57,419
who was talking in
a contemporary sense
1242
00:59:57,550 --> 01:00:00,248
about the experience I hadwhen I fell off the roof.
1243
01:00:00,379 --> 01:00:04,296
12 years after I read thatbook, I had my first opportunity
1244
01:00:04,426 --> 01:00:07,952
to come to the Monroe Instituteand go through the program
1245
01:00:08,082 --> 01:00:10,345
here, in the Gateway Voyage.
1246
01:00:10,476 --> 01:00:13,958
And to my utter
amazement, that world
1247
01:00:14,088 --> 01:00:16,787
that I experienced when
I fell off the roof
1248
01:00:16,917 --> 01:00:20,225
opened up in space
all over again,
1249
01:00:20,355 --> 01:00:22,619
which was both gift and curse.
1250
01:00:22,749 --> 01:00:25,534
Because on the one hand, itwas a rediscovery of something
1251
01:00:25,665 --> 01:00:29,626
that was so dear and sowonderful and powerful for me.
1252
01:00:29,756 --> 01:00:32,716
On the other hand, itonly increased the tension
1253
01:00:32,846 --> 01:00:35,327
with my role as a pastor.
1254
01:00:35,457 --> 01:00:40,332
I left the church and thepastorate in the year 2000.
1255
01:00:40,462 --> 01:00:42,987
But two months after I walkedout of the door of the church,
1256
01:00:43,117 --> 01:00:45,380
I got a call from
the Institute here
1257
01:00:45,511 --> 01:00:48,514
asking me if I would like tobecome a residential trainer.
1258
01:00:48,645 --> 01:00:53,432
But the real force
that has had an impact
1259
01:00:53,562 --> 01:00:55,695
has been this kind
of work, this kind
1260
01:00:55,826 --> 01:00:59,873
of exploration of
altered perceptions,
1261
01:01:00,004 --> 01:01:02,049
the metaphysical world.
1262
01:01:02,180 --> 01:01:05,444
And again, for me, themost compelling component
1263
01:01:05,574 --> 01:01:07,925
of all that is the
experiential domain.
1264
01:01:08,055 --> 01:01:15,628
>>Religion is a viable way togrow but without the dogma,
1265
01:01:15,759 --> 01:01:18,326
without the creeds, withoutthe arrogance, without the,
1266
01:01:18,457 --> 01:01:19,545
I'm right.
1267
01:01:19,676 --> 01:01:22,504
You're wrong, that
sort of thing.
1268
01:01:22,635 --> 01:01:25,203
And I think a lot
of people who are
1269
01:01:25,333 --> 01:01:28,119
truly spiritual andreligious, they see that.
1270
01:01:28,249 --> 01:01:30,512
They see value in
the words of Buddha.
1271
01:01:30,643 --> 01:01:33,298
They see value in the
words of the Dalai Lama.
1272
01:01:33,428 --> 01:01:35,561
They can see that
these things are all
1273
01:01:35,692 --> 01:01:36,954
headed in the same direction.
1274
01:01:37,084 --> 01:01:40,653
They're talking about
love, peace, giving.
1275
01:01:40,784 --> 01:01:42,133
They're not into the, I'm right.
1276
01:01:42,263 --> 01:01:43,656
You're wrong.
1277
01:01:43,787 --> 01:01:45,876
If they are, then they'rejust not very evolved.
1278
01:01:46,006 --> 01:01:47,225
And they're not very spiritual.
1279
01:01:47,355 --> 01:01:49,140
No matter how religious
they claim to be,
1280
01:01:49,270 --> 01:01:50,532
they're doing something else.
1281
01:01:50,663 --> 01:01:53,797
They're feeding their
ego, feeling superior
1282
01:01:53,927 --> 01:01:55,494
because they're right.
1283
01:01:55,624 --> 01:01:57,061
And everybody else is wrong.
1284
01:01:57,191 --> 01:02:00,107
Well, feeling superior'snot on your way to success.
1285
01:02:00,238 --> 01:02:02,370
>>There's a difference betweenbeing religious and being
1286
01:02:02,501 --> 01:02:03,720
spiritual.
1287
01:02:03,850 --> 01:02:05,765
Being religious, you
have a certain set
1288
01:02:05,896 --> 01:02:08,899
of ideologies and beliefsystems that you absolutely
1289
01:02:09,029 --> 01:02:10,596
don't go beyond.
1290
01:02:10,727 --> 01:02:16,689
And most of the time, beingreligious means, in a sense,
1291
01:02:16,820 --> 01:02:20,475
that you judge other people fornot believing the same thing.
1292
01:02:20,606 --> 01:02:22,651
I disagree with that
aspect of religion.
1293
01:02:22,782 --> 01:02:24,262
>>Obviously, we can
go around the world
1294
01:02:24,392 --> 01:02:25,959
today and see all
sorts of people wanting
1295
01:02:26,090 --> 01:02:27,744
to kill each other
over religion.
1296
01:02:27,874 --> 01:02:29,310
Where's the
spirituality in that?
1297
01:02:29,441 --> 01:02:31,008
Well, there isn't any.
1298
01:02:31,138 --> 01:02:35,055
So religion and spiritualityare two different things.
1299
01:02:35,186 --> 01:02:37,188
They can travel together.
1300
01:02:37,318 --> 01:02:40,191
They can travel separately.
1301
01:02:40,321 --> 01:02:42,062
Religion can be anti-spiritual.
1302
01:02:42,193 --> 01:02:45,718
It can take you in the
opposite direction.
1303
01:02:45,849 --> 01:02:48,068
And it does that, if yourreligion is basically
1304
01:02:48,199 --> 01:02:50,549
your dogma, your belief system.
1305
01:02:50,679 --> 01:02:53,378
That sort of stuff has no value.
1306
01:02:53,508 --> 01:02:55,162
It has negative value.
1307
01:02:55,293 --> 01:02:59,123
>>If you examine the profoundspiritual experiences
1308
01:02:59,253 --> 01:03:03,214
of all cultures, you willfind that the common element
1309
01:03:03,344 --> 01:03:07,958
in all religious
text is that someone
1310
01:03:08,088 --> 01:03:10,656
went beyond their
physical limits.
1311
01:03:10,787 --> 01:03:14,965
Someone had the courage
and the foresight
1312
01:03:15,095 --> 01:03:18,316
to reach out and
spread their wings
1313
01:03:18,446 --> 01:03:22,233
and explore beyond the narrowlimits of their physical body.
1314
01:03:22,363 --> 01:03:25,192
That's what made the differencebetween a great spiritual
1315
01:03:25,323 --> 01:03:28,195
leader and those that are justwant to bes, that are just
1316
01:03:28,326 --> 01:03:31,633
parrots repeating someoneelse's written word.
1317
01:03:31,764 --> 01:03:33,722
>>What their true
teaching is, not
1318
01:03:33,853 --> 01:03:35,986
what maybe we pulled
out of it in order
1319
01:03:36,116 --> 01:03:38,466
to have power or
control or out of fear.
1320
01:03:41,948 --> 01:03:44,690
I don't believe that any
of these great beings,
1321
01:03:44,821 --> 01:03:48,781
these great sages, were sayinganything other than, go within.
1322
01:03:48,912 --> 01:03:50,391
Be the love that you are.
1323
01:03:50,522 --> 01:03:52,132
Realize it within every being.
1324
01:03:52,263 --> 01:03:53,612
And treat everyone that way.
1325
01:03:53,742 --> 01:03:55,875
And it will be brought to you.
1326
01:03:56,006 --> 01:03:58,269
>>Religion is a way
that you can grow.
1327
01:03:58,399 --> 01:04:02,099
It's not like beingreligious is a false path.
1328
01:04:02,229 --> 01:04:05,058
That's a path that's called
the path of surrender
1329
01:04:05,189 --> 01:04:07,800
where you give yourself
up to the larger thing.
1330
01:04:07,931 --> 01:04:09,584
That's kind of the
religious path.
1331
01:04:09,715 --> 01:04:13,110
A lot of Eastern religionsare on a path of surrender.
1332
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:14,198
All aren't.
1333
01:04:14,328 --> 01:04:15,634
Some are.
1334
01:04:15,764 --> 01:04:18,115
That, though, hasnothing to do with dogma.
1335
01:04:18,245 --> 01:04:19,812
Dogma is a different
kind of thing.
1336
01:04:19,943 --> 01:04:21,379
Dogma is a bunch
of belief systems.
1337
01:04:21,509 --> 01:04:23,772
It's ritual and other things.
1338
01:04:23,903 --> 01:04:26,253
And there's very
little value in dogma.
1339
01:04:26,384 --> 01:04:28,299
So the religious path,
the path of surrender,
1340
01:04:28,429 --> 01:04:33,608
is a valid way of growingbut only in as much as you're
1341
01:04:33,739 --> 01:04:35,088
thinking in the big picture.
1342
01:04:35,219 --> 01:04:35,872
It's about love.
1343
01:04:36,002 --> 01:04:36,698
It's about others.
1344
01:04:36,829 --> 01:04:37,569
It's about service.
1345
01:04:37,699 --> 01:04:38,657
It's about growing up.
1346
01:04:38,787 --> 01:04:40,615
It's about who you are inside.
1347
01:04:40,746 --> 01:04:45,577
It's not about raise
your right hand
1348
01:04:45,707 --> 01:04:47,231
and swear that you
believe these things.
1349
01:04:47,361 --> 01:04:49,494
You don't get any credit
for believing anything.
1350
01:04:49,624 --> 01:04:50,451
It's not about belief.
1351
01:04:50,582 --> 01:04:51,713
It's about who you are.
1352
01:04:51,844 --> 01:04:53,106
>>For me, there's
a big difference
1353
01:04:53,237 --> 01:04:55,239
between belief and experience.
1354
01:04:55,369 --> 01:05:00,026
Belief is something that youconstruct maybe independent
1355
01:05:00,157 --> 01:05:03,203
of experience or maybe you takethe experiences of your life
1356
01:05:03,334 --> 01:05:06,598
and you try to put them togetherin some kind of logical way.
1357
01:05:06,728 --> 01:05:11,603
And then that becomes a beliefthat you hold pretty dearly.
1358
01:05:11,733 --> 01:05:14,475
And it's sometimes
very difficult
1359
01:05:14,606 --> 01:05:15,868
to give those beliefs up.
1360
01:05:15,999 --> 01:05:19,350
Because we're very,
very attached to them.
1361
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:22,831
But when you begin
to actually move
1362
01:05:22,962 --> 01:05:26,444
into these other ranges ofperception, when you begin
1363
01:05:26,574 --> 01:05:32,624
to move into other
ranges of experience,
1364
01:05:32,754 --> 01:05:37,020
it's a different categoryof knowing than belief.
1365
01:05:37,150 --> 01:05:40,284
Belief is largely
about speculation.
1366
01:05:40,414 --> 01:05:41,763
I think maybe it's like this.
1367
01:05:41,894 --> 01:05:44,549
But when you move
into experience,
1368
01:05:44,679 --> 01:05:47,552
then that becomes a partof your sense of knowing.
1369
01:05:47,682 --> 01:05:50,816
>>We all come in with certain
frameworks of beliefs.
1370
01:05:50,947 --> 01:05:53,253
And sometimes those
can act as boxes,
1371
01:05:53,384 --> 01:05:56,300
which are limitations for us.
1372
01:05:56,430 --> 01:06:00,521
And when we can have thesepersonal experiences, then
1373
01:06:00,652 --> 01:06:02,697
somehow there's a
new crack in the box.
1374
01:06:02,828 --> 01:06:04,830
Or the lid's lifted
a little bit.
1375
01:06:04,961 --> 01:06:08,834
And then we start to expand andopen up to new possibilities.
1376
01:06:08,965 --> 01:06:12,751
>>Most of us have bought intoa belief system at a young age.
1377
01:06:12,881 --> 01:06:14,753
We have been spoon-fed.
1378
01:06:14,883 --> 01:06:16,929
And it doesn't
matter what it is.
1379
01:06:17,060 --> 01:06:20,411
But we've all been spoon-fedsome kind of religious belief
1380
01:06:20,541 --> 01:06:21,847
system.
1381
01:06:21,978 --> 01:06:23,240
And most people accept
what they're given.
1382
01:06:23,370 --> 01:06:26,286
>>Belief is a trap.
1383
01:06:26,417 --> 01:06:29,159
Anything that you
believe is a trap.
1384
01:06:29,289 --> 01:06:33,424
If you are interested
in an area,
1385
01:06:33,554 --> 01:06:34,816
don't believe
something about it.
1386
01:06:34,947 --> 01:06:36,383
Go find out about it.
1387
01:06:36,514 --> 01:06:38,124
Go do it and experience it.
1388
01:06:38,255 --> 01:06:39,734
Find out.
1389
01:06:39,865 --> 01:06:43,564
>>So the courage comes inbeing your own scientist.
1390
01:06:43,695 --> 01:06:46,959
>>We have the capability
to obtain the answers
1391
01:06:47,090 --> 01:06:48,526
for ourselves.
1392
01:06:48,656 --> 01:06:52,921
We don't have to be dependentupon belief systems.
1393
01:06:53,052 --> 01:06:56,621
We don't have to bedependent on the concepts
1394
01:06:56,751 --> 01:06:58,753
and theories of others.
1395
01:06:58,884 --> 01:07:03,932
We have the ability to becomeexplorers ourselves and obtain
1396
01:07:04,063 --> 01:07:05,630
the answers to
the big questions.
1397
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:07,849
Where do we come from?
1398
01:07:07,980 --> 01:07:09,025
What's our purpose?
1399
01:07:09,155 --> 01:07:11,070
Where are we going?
1400
01:07:11,201 --> 01:07:13,029
Why are we here?
1401
01:07:13,159 --> 01:07:15,422
I mean, these are
the big questions.
1402
01:07:15,553 --> 01:07:18,773
>>If I had to leave a partingword with everybody, I'd say,
1403
01:07:18,904 --> 01:07:19,774
start going.
1404
01:07:19,905 --> 01:07:22,038
This is your opportunity.
1405
01:07:22,168 --> 01:07:24,214
You have opportunitiesto grow every single day.
1406
01:07:24,344 --> 01:07:25,867
You don't have to go
out and find them.
1407
01:07:25,998 --> 01:07:27,565
You don't have to take
a training course.
1408
01:07:27,695 --> 01:07:29,132
You don't have to read a book.
1409
01:07:29,262 --> 01:07:30,568
You don't have to
go find a group.
1410
01:07:30,698 --> 01:07:33,049
You don't have to do
any of that stuff.
1411
01:07:33,179 --> 01:07:36,313
Opportunities are in frontof your face every day.
1412
01:07:36,443 --> 01:07:38,141
You just have to take them.
1413
01:07:38,271 --> 01:07:42,754
>>As a final message, it'dbe nice to be original.
1414
01:07:42,884 --> 01:07:45,409
Would it be plagiarizing
to quote Bob Monroe?
1415
01:07:45,539 --> 01:07:48,977
Would it be plagiarizing tosay what Bob Monroe said?
1416
01:07:49,108 --> 01:07:53,504
"The only way to know isto find out for yourself."
1417
01:07:53,634 --> 01:07:54,722
You can read about this.
1418
01:07:54,853 --> 01:07:56,768
You can talk to other people.
1419
01:07:56,898 --> 01:07:58,074
You can watch videos.
1420
01:07:58,204 --> 01:08:00,206
You can go to lectures.
1421
01:08:00,337 --> 01:08:02,991
But the only way you're
really going to know
1422
01:08:03,122 --> 01:08:05,081
is to find out for yourself.
1423
01:08:05,211 --> 01:08:06,560
>>You got to get
there on your own.
1424
01:08:06,691 --> 01:08:08,127
And don't say, well,
I don't know how.
1425
01:08:08,258 --> 01:08:09,520
How do I go?
1426
01:08:09,650 --> 01:08:11,043
I need to do something.
1427
01:08:11,174 --> 01:08:15,700
All you have to do is makeeach choice a better one
1428
01:08:15,830 --> 01:08:17,615
in your interaction
with other people.
1429
01:08:17,745 --> 01:08:20,399
Make each choice come
from love and caring
1430
01:08:20,531 --> 01:08:22,880
about them and not about you.
1431
01:08:23,011 --> 01:08:25,188
That'll be a hard
enough challenge.
1432
01:08:25,318 --> 01:08:27,973
>>And it's up to us to do it.
1433
01:08:28,103 --> 01:08:32,237
We have to devote the timeand the energy to do it.
1434
01:08:32,369 --> 01:08:34,587
We have to go beyond
just being the pawn.
1435
01:08:34,719 --> 01:08:37,591
We have to get to the pointwhere we make a decision like,
1436
01:08:37,721 --> 01:08:42,901
I am not going to be the pawnof anybody else's philosophy.
1437
01:08:43,031 --> 01:08:45,032
And I'm not just
referring to religions.
1438
01:08:45,164 --> 01:08:49,386
I'm talking about politicaltoo, all aspects of our life.
1439
01:08:49,515 --> 01:08:51,518
I'm going to be a free thinker.
1440
01:08:51,648 --> 01:08:53,433
I am going to be an explorer.
1441
01:08:53,564 --> 01:08:56,175
I am going to find out
the answers for myself.
1442
01:08:56,306 --> 01:08:58,960
I'm no longer going to bedependent on this crap I've
1443
01:08:59,091 --> 01:09:00,832
been fed from childhood.
1444
01:09:00,961 --> 01:09:06,054
That is a critical point in thedevelopment of each individual.
1445
01:09:06,184 --> 01:09:07,839
This is where the path begins.
1446
01:09:07,969 --> 01:10:24,871
[music playing]
1447
01:10:25,003 --> 01:10:27,875
>>Secret of the
universe is to grow up.
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