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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:47,815 --> 00:00:53,887 >>We can only see as far forward as we remember back. 2 00:00:53,987 --> 00:00:55,756 >>I don't know what the future's going to be. 3 00:00:55,856 --> 00:00:57,325 And there may not be a future. 4 00:00:57,425 --> 00:00:58,526 There may not be one. 5 00:00:58,626 --> 00:01:03,464 It may all end in disaster of one kind or another. 6 00:01:03,564 --> 00:01:05,866 >>The Greek historian Plato believed 7 00:01:05,966 --> 00:01:09,270 that there had been many great civilizations that 8 00:01:09,370 --> 00:01:13,341 had disappeared in a variety of catastrophes. 9 00:01:13,441 --> 00:01:16,910 Today, humanity has forgotten the past. 10 00:01:17,010 --> 00:01:21,115 In the human unconscious, there is an extremely powerful force 11 00:01:21,215 --> 00:01:23,884 that acts on an individual, keeping him 12 00:01:23,984 --> 00:01:26,754 from seeing with clarity the obvious symptoms 13 00:01:26,854 --> 00:01:28,989 of his next death. 14 00:01:29,089 --> 00:01:33,426 Only in the last moments are the eyes of the soul opened, 15 00:01:33,527 --> 00:01:37,898 and man understands his situation and accepts it. 16 00:01:37,997 --> 00:01:42,770 The landslide of all the empires and all the human institutions 17 00:01:42,870 --> 00:01:46,140 is evident as soon as one studied the past. 18 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:50,277 Why do we believe in a progress without end? 19 00:01:50,378 --> 00:01:54,414 Everything dies around us. 20 00:01:54,515 --> 00:01:57,751 High atop a vast plateau in the wild Carpathian 21 00:01:57,851 --> 00:02:01,189 Mountains of old Europe, there is 22 00:02:01,289 --> 00:02:07,228 an unknown enigmatic sculpture that strikingly resembles 23 00:02:07,328 --> 00:02:10,330 the Great Sphinx of Egypt. 24 00:02:10,431 --> 00:02:13,801 For that reason, he was named the Carpathian Sphinx. 25 00:02:16,737 --> 00:02:19,273 Could there be a link between the Carpathian Sphinx 26 00:02:19,373 --> 00:02:22,676 and the Great Sphinx of Egypt? 27 00:02:22,776 --> 00:02:25,513 Could the Carpathian Sphinx be the result 28 00:02:25,613 --> 00:02:28,182 of a lost civilization? 29 00:02:28,282 --> 00:02:31,652 While living in Boston, I go and I check all the libraries 30 00:02:31,752 --> 00:02:34,222 sources I can find. 31 00:02:43,564 --> 00:02:45,966 I'm convinced by why what I find. 32 00:02:46,066 --> 00:02:48,469 I decide to leave the United States. 33 00:02:58,978 --> 00:03:03,116 And I return to Eastern Europe, to the homeland 34 00:03:03,217 --> 00:03:06,220 I left 15 years before. 35 00:03:24,638 --> 00:03:28,008 The Sphinx was calling me to unravel its hidden story. 36 00:03:35,749 --> 00:03:40,288 I had to solve the mystery. 37 00:03:40,388 --> 00:03:43,324 Could the Carpathian Mountains and the Sphinx 38 00:03:43,424 --> 00:03:45,593 have a central yet forgotten role 39 00:03:45,692 --> 00:03:47,227 in the history of the world? 40 00:03:57,838 --> 00:03:59,973 >>I'm probably best known in certain circles 41 00:04:00,073 --> 00:04:01,575 for my work on the Sphinx. 42 00:04:01,675 --> 00:04:03,877 I'm only going to mention that very briefly, because I 43 00:04:03,977 --> 00:04:05,679 sort of feel like I have to. 44 00:04:05,779 --> 00:04:08,749 Because in many ways, it does set the stage for what we're 45 00:04:08,849 --> 00:04:12,686 here about at this conference, conference on procession, 46 00:04:12,786 --> 00:04:16,423 ancient knowledge, and really pushing things way back. 47 00:04:16,524 --> 00:04:20,060 And this work that goes back almost two decades 48 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:24,298 now for myself personally really set the stage for much of what 49 00:04:24,398 --> 00:04:25,332 has come later. 50 00:04:25,433 --> 00:04:26,867 And I'm not claiming any credit here. 51 00:04:26,967 --> 00:04:29,403 I'm giving credit to the Sphinx. 52 00:04:29,503 --> 00:04:32,272 And it's also changed my life. 53 00:04:32,373 --> 00:04:34,675 Sometimes I think-- usually I think for the better. 54 00:04:34,775 --> 00:04:37,144 Sometimes I wonder what I got myself into. 55 00:04:37,244 --> 00:04:38,879 So I really started on the Sphinx work 56 00:04:38,979 --> 00:04:39,780 when I was very young. 57 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:42,282 This is me about 20 years ago. 58 00:04:42,383 --> 00:04:45,886 And what it really is indicated doing, 59 00:04:45,986 --> 00:04:47,555 at least for some people-- and this 60 00:04:47,655 --> 00:04:50,491 was part of the controversy, and part of why we're here now-- 61 00:04:50,591 --> 00:04:54,662 is talking about if you push the date the Sphinx back, 62 00:04:54,762 --> 00:04:58,332 does it mean that we have to view history differently? 63 00:04:58,432 --> 00:05:00,300 Do we have to rewrite history? 64 00:05:00,401 --> 00:05:04,237 >>Dr. Robert Schoch, a geologist from Boston University, 65 00:05:04,338 --> 00:05:07,140 is an expert in ancient stone. 66 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,711 He had studied the Egyptian Sphinx for many decades, 67 00:05:10,811 --> 00:05:13,414 and he believes that the Egyptian Sphinx 68 00:05:13,514 --> 00:05:17,217 is much older than traditionally believed, dating back 69 00:05:17,317 --> 00:05:22,222 many thousands of years before the rise of Egyptian culture. 70 00:05:22,322 --> 00:05:25,359 >>The head was re-carved into the human form 71 00:05:25,459 --> 00:05:26,694 that it takes now. 72 00:05:26,794 --> 00:05:29,630 Parts of the Sphinx itself, if you look at to this day, 73 00:05:29,730 --> 00:05:30,998 it's been heavily repaired. 74 00:05:31,098 --> 00:05:35,803 Some of those repairs go back 4,000 and more years, 75 00:05:35,903 --> 00:05:38,639 because it was a much more ancient statue. 76 00:05:38,739 --> 00:05:42,776 Thousands of years earlier, things were happening in Egypt 77 00:05:42,876 --> 00:05:47,448 at a much earlier period than conventional archaeologists, 78 00:05:47,548 --> 00:05:52,620 conventional historians have ever admitted or suspected. 79 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:56,457 >>Dr. Schoch believes that the fundamental ideas 80 00:05:56,557 --> 00:05:58,992 and the great knowledge of Egyptians 81 00:05:59,092 --> 00:06:03,063 to be more ancient than the Egyptian civilization itself. 82 00:06:08,168 --> 00:06:11,104 Dan Braneanu, a researcher from Bucharest, 83 00:06:11,204 --> 00:06:16,410 has spent the last 40 years investigating what he believes 84 00:06:16,510 --> 00:06:19,847 is the legacy of a lost civilization. 85 00:06:19,947 --> 00:06:23,884 All around the Carpathian Mountains and the plateau 86 00:06:23,984 --> 00:06:27,621 where the Sphinx is located, Dan Braneanu 87 00:06:27,721 --> 00:06:31,158 sees great evidence of a lost civilization. 88 00:06:58,284 --> 00:07:00,554 Daniel Ruzo, a Peruvian archaeologist 89 00:07:00,654 --> 00:07:04,057 and protohistorian from Peru, has 90 00:07:04,157 --> 00:07:07,227 come to believe that there once had 91 00:07:07,327 --> 00:07:11,398 been a great worldwide civilization that had 92 00:07:11,499 --> 00:07:15,536 been destroyed in a cataclysm. 93 00:07:15,636 --> 00:07:20,040 This civilization left marks all over the world, 94 00:07:20,140 --> 00:07:20,974 in all the continents. 95 00:07:24,612 --> 00:07:28,148 Ruzo found proof in England in such monuments 96 00:07:28,248 --> 00:07:34,655 as the Stonehenge, in France in Fontainebleau. 97 00:07:34,755 --> 00:07:37,324 Wherever he looked, he found proof. 98 00:07:41,028 --> 00:07:44,532 He became aware that the civilization was especially 99 00:07:44,632 --> 00:07:47,467 a mountain civilization that lived 100 00:07:47,568 --> 00:07:50,303 on the high peak of the mountains 101 00:07:50,403 --> 00:07:52,940 in all the continents. 102 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:58,378 In 1954, Ruzo discovered Marcahuasi, a small plateau 103 00:07:58,478 --> 00:08:02,015 high atop the Andes mountains in Peru. 104 00:08:02,115 --> 00:08:06,987 Marcahuasi, up to this date, remains a mystery. 105 00:08:07,087 --> 00:08:09,890 There are faces here of women. 106 00:08:09,990 --> 00:08:14,194 He called this one the Monument to Humanity. 107 00:08:14,294 --> 00:08:18,031 Ruzo believed that the Monument to Humanity 108 00:08:18,131 --> 00:08:23,503 was one of the most important sculptures ever made. 109 00:08:23,604 --> 00:08:28,942 In 1968, Ruzo came to the Carpathian Mountains 110 00:08:29,042 --> 00:08:30,277 in Romania. 111 00:08:30,377 --> 00:08:35,616 Here, Ruzo found the proof that he was searching for. 112 00:08:35,716 --> 00:08:38,952 Everywhere he looked on the Bucegi Massif 113 00:08:39,052 --> 00:08:43,155 in the Carpathian Mountains, he found proof 114 00:08:43,256 --> 00:08:46,059 of a very ancient culture. 115 00:08:46,159 --> 00:08:51,431 He believed here was the door to the treasure of a lost people. 116 00:08:56,336 --> 00:08:59,472 Ruzo believed that the treasure is not a material 117 00:08:59,573 --> 00:09:02,042 one, but a spiritual treasure. 118 00:09:05,245 --> 00:09:10,818 Ruzo investigated the area around the Carpathian Sphinx, 119 00:09:10,918 --> 00:09:16,456 and he found tantalizing proof of this lost civilization 120 00:09:16,556 --> 00:09:18,191 here as well. 121 00:09:18,291 --> 00:09:21,829 "The Carpathian Sphinx is an ancient monument 122 00:09:21,929 --> 00:09:26,834 sculpted before the flood, destroyed in the face, 123 00:09:26,934 --> 00:09:32,072 and being very corroded by wind and rain." 124 00:09:32,172 --> 00:09:35,743 Ruzo concluded that the Carpathian Sphinx, just as 125 00:09:35,843 --> 00:09:38,912 the Monument of Humanity in Marcahuasi, 126 00:09:39,012 --> 00:09:43,516 was the important legacy of a lost people. 127 00:09:43,617 --> 00:09:47,054 When he returned to Peru, Ruzo published 128 00:09:47,154 --> 00:09:52,025 a book called "The Fantastic History of a Discovery." 129 00:09:52,125 --> 00:09:57,564 And in that book, he wrote about a trip to Romania. 130 00:09:57,665 --> 00:10:01,635 He dedicated a chapter to what he saw in the Carpathian 131 00:10:01,735 --> 00:10:11,111 Mountains, and he said, "the Romanian Carpathian Mountains 132 00:10:11,211 --> 00:10:16,049 were at the center of the oldest European civilization known 133 00:10:16,149 --> 00:10:19,887 today." 134 00:10:19,987 --> 00:10:27,260 His conclusions were made after he saw the Carpathian Sphinx. 135 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:32,399 Ruzo died in 1991 before he was able to find 136 00:10:32,499 --> 00:10:34,567 this worldwide vanished civilization. 137 00:10:38,271 --> 00:10:41,408 But his work paved the road for later research. 138 00:10:44,211 --> 00:10:47,147 Ruzo was confident that he was right, 139 00:10:47,247 --> 00:10:52,652 and that one day, someone will clarify the mystery 140 00:10:52,753 --> 00:10:56,089 and fill the empty question marks. 141 00:10:56,189 --> 00:11:00,627 Who were these vanished people that left their imprints 142 00:11:00,728 --> 00:11:01,494 in these monuments? 143 00:11:16,877 --> 00:11:18,946 "It is in these sacred mountains where 144 00:11:19,046 --> 00:11:22,615 people found their salvation after the flood, 145 00:11:22,716 --> 00:11:24,584 and where they will be saved when 146 00:11:24,684 --> 00:11:27,320 the next catastrophe occurs. 147 00:11:27,420 --> 00:11:31,624 It is vital today to find these sacred mountains 148 00:11:31,725 --> 00:11:34,995 and sacred caves. 149 00:11:35,095 --> 00:11:38,999 Here we are in front of an original sculpture, known 150 00:11:39,099 --> 00:11:41,468 all over the world, that has not been 151 00:11:41,568 --> 00:11:43,703 reproduced in historical times. 152 00:11:49,877 --> 00:11:52,679 Being so used to a three-dimensional landscape 153 00:11:52,780 --> 00:11:57,584 starting in Sumerian times, we had failed until today 154 00:11:57,684 --> 00:12:01,488 to see the sculptures considered made by nature." 155 00:12:01,588 --> 00:12:03,957 "The strangest apparition on the plateau 156 00:12:04,057 --> 00:12:08,829 is the Sphinx, a huge rock with an enigmatic profile 157 00:12:08,929 --> 00:12:12,866 around which a protohistorical legend had been formed. 158 00:12:12,966 --> 00:12:16,269 The legend says that a sphinx is a statue made 159 00:12:16,369 --> 00:12:26,546 in times long forgotten by the people of a lost civilization." 160 00:12:26,646 --> 00:12:27,948 >>Sort of U shape. 161 00:12:28,048 --> 00:12:31,751 You can't tell this from down at the base of the mountains. 162 00:12:31,852 --> 00:12:33,954 It's really like a fortress up there. 163 00:12:38,658 --> 00:12:44,364 >>From a distance, it looks very abrupt, uninviting, 164 00:12:44,464 --> 00:12:51,104 with steep rocky areas that are very hard to climb. 165 00:12:51,204 --> 00:12:53,874 But the reality of the mountain is actually 166 00:12:53,974 --> 00:12:55,943 something different. 167 00:12:56,043 --> 00:13:00,413 >>Interestingly, once you get up there, you get the unexpected. 168 00:13:00,513 --> 00:13:03,116 It opens up into a huge plateau. 169 00:13:09,089 --> 00:13:12,926 >>The Sphinx is at a central point on the plateau. 170 00:13:29,142 --> 00:13:32,612 Going south directly from the Sphinx, 171 00:13:32,712 --> 00:13:36,016 there is a group of enigmatic rocks 172 00:13:36,116 --> 00:13:38,018 called The Peaks of Longing. 173 00:13:42,956 --> 00:13:50,530 From here, in direct line to the north, one can see the Sphinx 174 00:13:50,630 --> 00:13:54,201 and then the highest peak called Omu, 175 00:13:54,301 --> 00:13:56,970 the Peak of the Human Being. 176 00:13:57,070 --> 00:13:58,705 >>Something that's very interesting 177 00:13:58,805 --> 00:14:01,374 looking at the Sphinx in Romania, 178 00:14:01,474 --> 00:14:05,345 looking at the plateau, looking at the surrounding area 179 00:14:05,445 --> 00:14:12,319 is at high elevation, you have these incredible structures. 180 00:14:12,419 --> 00:14:17,057 They can be seen before from a very great distance. 181 00:14:17,157 --> 00:14:20,793 They certainly seem like markers or signposts, or something that 182 00:14:20,894 --> 00:14:23,796 might attract ancient peoples. 183 00:14:23,897 --> 00:14:26,766 And I think this is something we have to take very seriously. 184 00:14:26,866 --> 00:14:31,104 >>Many of the rocks on the plateau have feminine names. 185 00:14:31,204 --> 00:14:35,342 This one is called the Big Old Lady Rock. 186 00:14:35,442 --> 00:14:39,646 These ones are the old ladies of Cocora Mountain. 187 00:14:39,746 --> 00:14:41,949 This is the Mountain of the Old Lady. 188 00:14:45,418 --> 00:14:50,123 The Ialomita Valley hides the mountain called the Goddesses 189 00:14:50,223 --> 00:14:52,659 Mountain. 190 00:14:52,759 --> 00:14:57,364 The highest peak in Bucegi, facing the north direction, 191 00:14:57,464 --> 00:14:59,299 the Peak of the Human Being. 192 00:14:59,399 --> 00:15:02,369 This mountain is called the Origin or the Beginning 193 00:15:02,469 --> 00:15:03,370 Mountain. 194 00:15:03,470 --> 00:15:05,939 The main river flowing down the valley 195 00:15:06,039 --> 00:15:10,777 below the Goddesses Mountain was called Naparis, 196 00:15:10,877 --> 00:15:12,712 which means "Heavenly One." 197 00:15:12,812 --> 00:15:17,017 So the question is, why are all these women 198 00:15:17,117 --> 00:15:21,421 names in this mountain, and the sacred names, 199 00:15:21,521 --> 00:15:25,492 such as the Mountain of the Goddesses and the mountain 200 00:15:25,592 --> 00:15:27,860 called Human Being? 201 00:15:27,961 --> 00:15:32,332 Could there have been here a religious matriarchal society 202 00:15:32,432 --> 00:15:34,801 at one point in time? 203 00:15:34,901 --> 00:15:38,638 Could there have been a very ancient feminine worship? 204 00:15:43,476 --> 00:15:47,147 "The origin of these names must be discovered 205 00:15:47,247 --> 00:15:50,183 as the myths as well as the sculptures 206 00:15:50,283 --> 00:15:54,554 are before the time of the flood." 207 00:15:54,654 --> 00:15:58,458 The Sphinx has multiple profiles, best 208 00:15:58,558 --> 00:16:00,493 seen in the changing light. 209 00:16:03,163 --> 00:16:06,333 Where do the orbits of the Sphinx point to? 210 00:16:09,769 --> 00:16:13,806 Why are there all these figures, especially the ones looking 211 00:16:13,906 --> 00:16:18,745 west towards the setting sun? 212 00:16:18,845 --> 00:16:22,515 The profile that resembles the Egyptian Sphinx 213 00:16:22,615 --> 00:16:23,550 is looking north. 214 00:16:26,886 --> 00:16:30,623 The profile that resembles an anthropoid face 215 00:16:30,723 --> 00:16:33,326 is looking west. 216 00:16:33,426 --> 00:16:37,830 Why does one profile look towards the north and another 217 00:16:37,930 --> 00:16:39,899 towards the west? 218 00:16:39,999 --> 00:16:44,137 One to the northern sky and the other one 219 00:16:44,237 --> 00:16:46,206 towards the setting sun? 220 00:16:46,306 --> 00:16:47,006 Why? 221 00:16:49,742 --> 00:16:51,644 And where is the door to the treasure? 222 00:16:54,747 --> 00:16:57,684 Who is this spirited god? 223 00:16:57,784 --> 00:17:00,520 Will I ever find out? 224 00:17:00,620 --> 00:17:03,723 The enigmatic faces are only seen 225 00:17:03,823 --> 00:17:06,559 from certain points of view. 226 00:17:06,659 --> 00:17:11,263 They are best seen with the changing light, the shadows 227 00:17:11,364 --> 00:17:15,335 of the moon, and the sun. 228 00:17:15,435 --> 00:17:20,373 Will the sun point to a secret direction? 229 00:17:20,473 --> 00:17:23,576 Ruzo believed these monuments point 230 00:17:23,675 --> 00:17:26,479 to the sacred treasure found in caves. 231 00:17:29,682 --> 00:17:33,052 And what is the mystery of the gigantic rock 232 00:17:33,153 --> 00:17:37,324 resembling very much a podium, a stage? 233 00:17:37,424 --> 00:17:42,862 Could this place have been used for some type of performers, 234 00:17:42,962 --> 00:17:47,033 from some rituals of a vanished humanity? 235 00:17:47,134 --> 00:17:50,803 A vast crowd could have been in the valley, looking up 236 00:17:50,903 --> 00:17:56,943 at somebody performing, singing or dancing on the top. 237 00:17:57,043 --> 00:18:00,147 Could this be the door to the treasure? 238 00:18:00,247 --> 00:18:04,884 Could this relate back to the Sphinx, to the caverns 239 00:18:04,984 --> 00:18:07,820 that Daniel Ruzo was talking about? 240 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,757 Could the spiritual treasure Daniel Ruzo was talking 241 00:18:10,857 --> 00:18:15,662 about be found in these caves? 242 00:18:15,762 --> 00:18:19,699 This cave is on the mountain called Goddesses Mountain. 243 00:18:24,003 --> 00:18:27,274 Could there be any choices here that would 244 00:18:27,374 --> 00:18:29,509 point to a lost civilization? 245 00:18:37,484 --> 00:18:43,423 Daniel Ruzo considered that only an expert could find this door. 246 00:19:07,647 --> 00:19:11,218 Where do I need to look to find the answers? 247 00:19:11,318 --> 00:19:14,554 Could this be an ancient religious center, 248 00:19:14,654 --> 00:19:17,524 as Daniel Ruzo had concluded? 249 00:19:17,624 --> 00:19:19,692 Could there be a spiritual treasure here? 250 00:19:24,163 --> 00:19:26,132 >>Some people think the world of long ago 251 00:19:26,233 --> 00:19:28,668 contains a body of great secrets, 252 00:19:28,768 --> 00:19:31,738 like some treasure trove of insights that will unlock 253 00:19:31,838 --> 00:19:33,906 the universe's hidden doors. 254 00:19:34,006 --> 00:19:36,576 >>Or new undiscovered technologies 255 00:19:36,676 --> 00:19:39,246 they will free us from drudgeries. 256 00:19:39,346 --> 00:19:41,648 I doubt that such is the case. 257 00:19:41,748 --> 00:19:45,017 The gifts of the ancient world go much deeper. 258 00:19:45,117 --> 00:19:48,087 >>I think when we look for this lost civilization, 259 00:19:48,187 --> 00:19:50,089 there may have been lost civilizations, 260 00:19:50,189 --> 00:19:54,427 but they were not necessarily what we expect 261 00:19:54,527 --> 00:19:56,896 or what many people expect. 262 00:19:56,996 --> 00:19:59,632 That is, they were not a mirror image 263 00:19:59,732 --> 00:20:01,568 in the past of what we are today. 264 00:20:04,304 --> 00:20:09,175 >>"They lived around the mountains and carved into them. 265 00:20:09,276 --> 00:20:12,078 They appreciated the natural beauty 266 00:20:12,178 --> 00:20:15,114 and had high mental abilities." 267 00:20:15,214 --> 00:20:18,918 Ruzo called them "the guardians of an ancient wisdom." 268 00:20:19,018 --> 00:20:23,122 "It was a magical work done by a culture whose science 269 00:20:23,222 --> 00:20:28,227 and understanding of the world was different from the present. 270 00:20:28,328 --> 00:20:31,898 It was from these people that we had inherited 271 00:20:31,998 --> 00:20:37,370 all our ancient wisdom, our sense of religion 272 00:20:37,470 --> 00:20:39,706 and spirituality. 273 00:20:39,806 --> 00:20:47,179 The world we had today was the legacy of a lost civilization. 274 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:52,118 All the symbolic systems, all the legendary characters, 275 00:20:52,218 --> 00:20:54,687 all the myths and the legends do not 276 00:20:54,787 --> 00:20:57,424 have the name of the author. 277 00:20:57,524 --> 00:21:04,096 We have inherited them from a vanished humanity." 278 00:21:04,196 --> 00:21:08,801 >>If Daniel Ruzo was right about an ancient lost civilization, 279 00:21:08,901 --> 00:21:11,771 was this ancient lost civilization actually 280 00:21:11,871 --> 00:21:14,607 what we would now call Neanderthals? 281 00:21:14,707 --> 00:21:18,545 So going back tens of thousands of years into the last ice age. 282 00:21:21,348 --> 00:21:25,017 >>Could the Neanderthals be the anonymous authors 283 00:21:25,117 --> 00:21:27,854 of our legends and myths? 284 00:21:27,954 --> 00:21:30,122 Of our ancient wisdom? 285 00:21:30,222 --> 00:21:32,792 Could the lost civilization that Daniel Ruzo 286 00:21:32,892 --> 00:21:35,261 had been searching for his entire life 287 00:21:35,362 --> 00:21:41,401 without finding be the extinct Neanderthal civilization? 288 00:21:41,501 --> 00:21:44,537 Is there any valid evidence to support 289 00:21:44,637 --> 00:21:46,138 such an original hypothesis? 290 00:21:52,144 --> 00:21:55,014 Born in London to working class parents 291 00:21:55,114 --> 00:21:58,851 and spending most of his days in England and Wales, 292 00:21:58,951 --> 00:22:01,220 on the surface, Stan Gooch's life 293 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,457 may not have seemed particularly exciting. 294 00:22:04,557 --> 00:22:07,460 But it was his remarkable intellectual journey 295 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,896 that distinguished him as a person 296 00:22:09,996 --> 00:22:12,599 and where his legacy lies. 297 00:22:12,699 --> 00:22:14,867 In relative isolation, Stan Gooch 298 00:22:14,967 --> 00:22:19,806 studied the elements of human evolution and the human psyche, 299 00:22:19,906 --> 00:22:22,208 and he came to an astonishing conclusion. 300 00:22:34,353 --> 00:22:36,322 >>We are a hybrid species. 301 00:22:36,423 --> 00:22:39,291 We are a cross-breed between two very different types 302 00:22:39,392 --> 00:22:42,995 of early man, Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon. 303 00:22:43,095 --> 00:22:46,433 >>Gooch authored many books, including "Total Man," 304 00:22:46,533 --> 00:22:51,003 "Personality and Evolution," "The Neanderthal Question," 305 00:22:51,103 --> 00:22:53,640 "Guardians of the Ancient Wisdom," 306 00:22:53,740 --> 00:22:56,909 and "The Double Helix of the Mind." 307 00:22:57,009 --> 00:23:00,580 However, Gooch never gained a popular audience, 308 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,116 critical acclaim, or monetary remuneration 309 00:23:04,216 --> 00:23:06,419 that he had hoped for. 310 00:23:06,519 --> 00:23:10,222 Indeed, Gooch became convinced that the establishment 311 00:23:10,322 --> 00:23:14,627 was deliberately ignoring him. 312 00:23:14,727 --> 00:23:17,564 By the late 1980s, he had all but 313 00:23:17,664 --> 00:23:19,966 given up his studies and writing, 314 00:23:20,066 --> 00:23:23,703 and went almost into total seclusion. 315 00:23:23,803 --> 00:23:27,039 In the end, Gooch did entertain the thought 316 00:23:27,139 --> 00:23:31,043 that perhaps after his death, his contributions 317 00:23:31,143 --> 00:23:32,278 might be widely acknowledged. 318 00:23:35,815 --> 00:23:39,018 Gooch was convinced that the Neanderthals 319 00:23:39,118 --> 00:23:42,555 had been underestimated. 320 00:23:42,655 --> 00:23:46,225 >>For Stan Gooch, Neanderthals were their own species. 321 00:23:46,325 --> 00:23:47,794 They had their own culture. 322 00:23:47,894 --> 00:23:50,697 They had their own civilization even. 323 00:23:50,797 --> 00:23:54,133 He used terms like cities of dreams, 324 00:23:54,233 --> 00:23:56,769 that they built cities of dreams. 325 00:23:56,869 --> 00:23:58,738 They had a dream culture. 326 00:23:58,838 --> 00:24:03,009 They had an advanced, sophisticated culture. 327 00:24:03,109 --> 00:24:06,312 >>Gooch believed that the ancient moon worship was 328 00:24:06,412 --> 00:24:09,549 possessed by the Neanderthals. 329 00:24:09,649 --> 00:24:12,051 >>Neanderthal was, in fact, nocturnal, 330 00:24:12,151 --> 00:24:17,089 or at least semi-nocturnal and worshipped the moon, 331 00:24:17,189 --> 00:24:19,926 whereas Cro-Magnon was a daylight creature, a hunter 332 00:24:20,026 --> 00:24:24,497 and whatever, and worshipped the sun. 333 00:24:24,597 --> 00:24:26,733 >>The Neanderthals lived in Europe 334 00:24:26,833 --> 00:24:30,503 during the ice age for at least 100,000 years. 335 00:24:30,603 --> 00:24:33,205 Neanderthals' range included all of Europe 336 00:24:33,305 --> 00:24:36,576 and parts of Asia, the Middle East, and the Levant. 337 00:24:41,147 --> 00:24:44,416 During the time of the Neanderthals in the Carpathian 338 00:24:44,517 --> 00:24:47,186 Mountains, there was a high population 339 00:24:47,286 --> 00:24:53,826 of cave bears, one of the biggest populations in Europe. 340 00:24:53,926 --> 00:24:55,595 There is still a puzzling mystery 341 00:24:55,695 --> 00:24:59,098 why Neanderthals went extinct, but a number 342 00:24:59,198 --> 00:25:03,369 a possible scenarios have been proposed by scientists, 343 00:25:03,469 --> 00:25:06,706 ranging from natural disasters, massive earthquakes, 344 00:25:06,806 --> 00:25:08,708 and catastrophic volcanic eruptions 345 00:25:08,808 --> 00:25:12,144 in Europe, but also human diseases. 346 00:25:12,244 --> 00:25:14,981 It is clear if the Cro-Magnon massively 347 00:25:15,081 --> 00:25:17,249 eliminated Neanderthal on purpose, 348 00:25:17,349 --> 00:25:20,352 or if they were already doomed. 349 00:25:20,452 --> 00:25:24,456 Contrary to popular belief, many Neanderthal populations 350 00:25:24,557 --> 00:25:31,030 in Europe had light skin, green eyes, and red hair. 351 00:25:31,130 --> 00:25:34,033 >>Typically, people had the concept of Neanderthals 352 00:25:34,133 --> 00:25:39,572 as being dark, brutish, ape-like, if you would, 353 00:25:39,672 --> 00:25:42,308 and the Cro-Magnons, our ancestors, 354 00:25:42,408 --> 00:25:46,545 were the light-skinned, fair-haired individuals. 355 00:25:46,646 --> 00:25:49,381 May be totally opposite. 356 00:25:49,481 --> 00:25:52,952 That in fact, the early archaic Homo sapiens 357 00:25:53,052 --> 00:25:55,755 were much darker than the Neanderthals 358 00:25:55,855 --> 00:25:59,025 that they came in contact with in Europe. 359 00:25:59,125 --> 00:26:03,696 Gooch predicted this long ago. 360 00:26:03,796 --> 00:26:07,266 >>Neanderthals were much stronger than modern humans. 361 00:26:07,366 --> 00:26:09,669 The body type of a Neanderthal can easily 362 00:26:09,769 --> 00:26:13,773 be compared to that of a modern wrestler or body builder. 363 00:26:13,873 --> 00:26:17,476 They were not delicate, nor what we would consider beautiful. 364 00:26:17,576 --> 00:26:20,747 But surprisingly, Neanderthals were highly emotional 365 00:26:20,847 --> 00:26:23,215 and a very sensitive bunch. 366 00:26:23,315 --> 00:26:25,718 There is strong evidence from their anatomy 367 00:26:25,818 --> 00:26:29,722 suggesting they had a very well-developed vocal apparatus. 368 00:26:29,822 --> 00:26:34,727 Powerful voices, perfect pitch, and a more sensitive inner ear 369 00:26:34,827 --> 00:26:37,596 than the one of the modern human. 370 00:26:37,697 --> 00:26:41,200 Steve Mithen, an archaeologist from the UK, 371 00:26:41,300 --> 00:26:44,303 thinks Neanderthals were the most musically developed 372 00:26:44,403 --> 00:26:47,506 human species that ever lived. 373 00:26:47,606 --> 00:26:51,043 They were musically inclined, amazing singers, 374 00:26:51,143 --> 00:26:54,947 and they were great performers. 375 00:26:55,047 --> 00:26:58,617 "The Neanderthals were a nocturnal species, 376 00:26:58,718 --> 00:27:00,552 and they worshipped the moon. 377 00:27:00,653 --> 00:27:04,290 They came out at the night and performed ceremonies 378 00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:09,796 for the moon goddess, especially at full moon or new moon. 379 00:27:09,896 --> 00:27:12,899 Anatomical evidence for a nocturnal lifestyle 380 00:27:12,999 --> 00:27:16,736 rests on the Neanderthals' very large, round eye sockets, 381 00:27:16,836 --> 00:27:19,471 and very large ear apertures. 382 00:27:19,571 --> 00:27:23,375 Large eyes in particular are the special hallmark 383 00:27:23,475 --> 00:27:25,411 of a nocturnal creature. 384 00:27:25,511 --> 00:27:31,217 The Neanderthals learned how to not fear the darkness. 385 00:27:31,317 --> 00:27:35,955 And in the process, they fell in love with the night sky. 386 00:27:36,055 --> 00:27:38,825 The Neanderthals worshiped the northern sky. 387 00:27:38,925 --> 00:27:42,428 They considered that the still center of the heavens 388 00:27:42,528 --> 00:27:44,296 was in the north. 389 00:27:44,396 --> 00:27:47,433 They worshipped the northern constellations, 390 00:27:47,533 --> 00:27:50,970 the constellation of the little bear and the big bear." 391 00:27:51,070 --> 00:27:54,173 According to Stan Gooch, the cave bear ritual 392 00:27:54,273 --> 00:27:57,543 of the Neanderthals is the oldest ritual 393 00:27:57,643 --> 00:28:01,047 in the world performed by a human species. 394 00:28:01,147 --> 00:28:03,449 "The Neanderthal may have been far more intelligent 395 00:28:03,549 --> 00:28:05,818 than we recognize. 396 00:28:05,918 --> 00:28:08,587 Neanderthal man appeared to know far more about the stars, 397 00:28:08,687 --> 00:28:11,623 for example, than one would suppose. 398 00:28:11,724 --> 00:28:13,559 I mean, our general picture of Neanderthal 399 00:28:13,659 --> 00:28:15,561 is obviously of a shambly ape. 400 00:28:15,661 --> 00:28:18,931 And Stan argued that, in fact, he knew an enormous amount 401 00:28:19,031 --> 00:28:21,133 about the heavens, and also about procession 402 00:28:21,233 --> 00:28:29,208 of the equinoxes, and about all kinds of other things." 403 00:28:29,308 --> 00:28:33,980 Symbolic behavior was central to the Neanderthal culture. 404 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:38,017 Neanderthals made advanced stone tools, cook their meals, 405 00:28:38,117 --> 00:28:39,952 and ate vegetables. 406 00:28:40,052 --> 00:28:42,922 They wore jewelry and body painting, 407 00:28:43,022 --> 00:28:45,391 had their own language system, and lived 408 00:28:45,491 --> 00:28:48,627 in complex social groups. 409 00:28:48,727 --> 00:28:52,264 They collected and preserved crystals and minerals, 410 00:28:52,364 --> 00:28:55,902 and probably made figurines. 411 00:28:56,002 --> 00:28:58,237 In Stan Gooch's view, Neanderthals 412 00:28:58,337 --> 00:29:03,075 were culturally advanced people, highly civilized in spirit 413 00:29:03,175 --> 00:29:08,680 with a deep sense of religion and practiced herbal medicine. 414 00:29:08,781 --> 00:29:12,518 "The Neanderthal society was fully ruled by women. 415 00:29:12,618 --> 00:29:15,888 They were the ultimate authority. 416 00:29:15,988 --> 00:29:18,991 The night and moon ceremonies of Neanderthal 417 00:29:19,091 --> 00:29:22,028 were presided over by priestesses." 418 00:29:22,128 --> 00:29:25,164 >>We've got the sun, the positive, and the moon, 419 00:29:25,264 --> 00:29:28,067 the negative, or whatever you want to call them. 420 00:29:28,167 --> 00:29:29,802 It's incredible, really. 421 00:29:29,902 --> 00:29:32,004 And that's why the moon and the sun 422 00:29:32,104 --> 00:29:36,208 fascinate us so much, because they reflect, as it were, 423 00:29:36,308 --> 00:29:39,111 literally, our own duality. 424 00:29:39,211 --> 00:29:42,781 >>"The Neanderthal society was peaceful, compassionate, 425 00:29:42,882 --> 00:29:45,684 and loving to one another. 426 00:29:45,784 --> 00:29:50,857 Central to their life was religion and magical practices. 427 00:29:50,957 --> 00:29:55,461 Neanderthals were what we would call today magicians, 428 00:29:55,561 --> 00:29:58,664 also shamans, and also wizards. 429 00:30:02,468 --> 00:30:08,074 Cro-Magnon's life was rooted in the concept of male ownership. 430 00:30:08,174 --> 00:30:12,744 This was a society fully ruled by man. 431 00:30:12,845 --> 00:30:15,948 It was a society who worshipped the sun 432 00:30:16,048 --> 00:30:17,249 and lived for daylight." 433 00:30:17,349 --> 00:30:19,118 >>They were about hunting and producing 434 00:30:19,218 --> 00:30:20,586 weapons, things like that. 435 00:30:20,686 --> 00:30:22,989 Cro-Magnon was certainly superior. 436 00:30:23,089 --> 00:30:26,893 But if you're talking about knowledge of herbs, 437 00:30:26,993 --> 00:30:28,627 then I would say Neanderthal was superior. 438 00:30:28,727 --> 00:30:30,963 It depends on what you're talking about. 439 00:30:31,063 --> 00:30:34,400 >>He was interested in things like brain structure. 440 00:30:34,500 --> 00:30:38,237 He pointed out rightfully that Neanderthals on average 441 00:30:38,337 --> 00:30:41,373 had larger brains than modern humans. 442 00:30:41,473 --> 00:30:45,311 But these larger brains were differently arranged, 443 00:30:45,411 --> 00:30:49,048 differently proportioned than our modern humans. 444 00:30:49,148 --> 00:30:54,386 So for instance, a very important point of Gooch, 445 00:30:54,486 --> 00:30:58,024 one that he makes over and over in his writings and books, 446 00:30:58,124 --> 00:31:04,230 is that Neanderthal brains had larger cerebellums. 447 00:31:04,330 --> 00:31:09,001 The brain of humans, be it Neanderthal or modern humans, 448 00:31:09,101 --> 00:31:13,172 is composed of a cerebrum and a cerebellum. 449 00:31:13,272 --> 00:31:14,873 The cerebellum is sometimes referred to 450 00:31:14,974 --> 00:31:18,544 as the smaller brain, the lesser brain. 451 00:31:18,644 --> 00:31:20,346 It's essentially, one could argue, 452 00:31:20,446 --> 00:31:28,120 a separate brain housed inside and underneath, anatomically, 453 00:31:28,220 --> 00:31:29,388 the rest of the brain. 454 00:31:29,488 --> 00:31:33,059 Gooch points out that the cerebellum was larger 455 00:31:33,159 --> 00:31:34,426 in Neanderthals. 456 00:31:34,526 --> 00:31:37,563 He attributes, and I believe perhaps rightfully so, 457 00:31:37,663 --> 00:31:41,567 based on clinical evidence, that the cerebellum is really 458 00:31:41,667 --> 00:31:45,737 the seat of many mental abilities, 459 00:31:45,837 --> 00:31:49,275 many mental processes that we to this day 460 00:31:49,375 --> 00:31:51,910 have a very poor understanding of. 461 00:31:52,011 --> 00:31:56,682 So for instance, dreams may originate primarily 462 00:31:56,782 --> 00:31:57,483 in the cerebellum. 463 00:32:00,452 --> 00:32:03,189 Certain types of artistic impulses, 464 00:32:03,289 --> 00:32:08,127 religious impulses, impulses of the sacred, 465 00:32:08,227 --> 00:32:11,163 certain, we could call it loosely philosophical 466 00:32:11,263 --> 00:32:12,498 and cyclical impulses. 467 00:32:15,367 --> 00:32:19,405 >>My view is that Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon 468 00:32:19,505 --> 00:32:24,710 cross-bred in central Europe some 30,000, 469 00:32:24,810 --> 00:32:28,247 35,000, 40,000 years ago. 470 00:32:28,347 --> 00:32:32,351 >>When Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon interbred, 471 00:32:32,451 --> 00:32:37,756 Stan Gooch believes each side made a unique contribution. 472 00:32:37,856 --> 00:32:42,528 At one level, this was a cultural cross-fertilization. 473 00:32:42,628 --> 00:32:47,766 But at a deeper level, it was a genetic encounter. 474 00:32:47,866 --> 00:32:51,937 Neanderthal contributed our religious genes, 475 00:32:52,038 --> 00:32:56,242 while Cro-Magnon contributed our scientific endowment. 476 00:32:59,145 --> 00:33:01,713 A project to sequence the Neanderthal genome 477 00:33:01,813 --> 00:33:06,285 took off in 2006 with the participation 478 00:33:06,385 --> 00:33:09,755 of the Planck Institute in Zurich, Switzerland, 479 00:33:09,855 --> 00:33:13,825 and the Broad Institute of Harvard and MIT in Boston. 480 00:33:13,925 --> 00:33:19,631 In May 2010, the genome project revealed shocking results. 481 00:33:19,731 --> 00:33:22,901 Interbreeding between Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon 482 00:33:23,001 --> 00:33:28,174 took place, resulting from 1% to 4% 483 00:33:28,274 --> 00:33:32,344 of the current European and Asian populations 484 00:33:32,444 --> 00:33:36,282 having Neanderthal genes. 485 00:33:36,382 --> 00:33:39,551 >>"You have these two cultures meeting, very different world 486 00:33:39,651 --> 00:33:40,352 views. 487 00:33:40,452 --> 00:33:43,622 Essentially a duality. 488 00:33:43,722 --> 00:33:46,058 The scientific on the one hand, the religious 489 00:33:46,158 --> 00:33:48,026 on the other hand. 490 00:33:48,127 --> 00:33:52,631 I can imagine the Cro-Magnons studying the Neanderthals, 491 00:33:52,731 --> 00:33:56,235 perhaps surreptitiously at first, trying to understand," 492 00:33:56,335 --> 00:33:59,004 well, what are these weird people doing? 493 00:33:59,105 --> 00:34:01,307 What is all this about? 494 00:34:01,407 --> 00:34:05,677 What are these strange rituals and practices, 495 00:34:05,777 --> 00:34:09,880 these ceremonies, this dancing, this singing 496 00:34:09,981 --> 00:34:11,016 that they were observing? 497 00:34:11,117 --> 00:34:12,751 What this is all about? 498 00:34:12,851 --> 00:34:14,686 Cro-Magnons could not necessarily 499 00:34:14,786 --> 00:34:16,855 understand what was going on. 500 00:34:16,955 --> 00:34:21,193 They tried to figure out what was going on, 501 00:34:21,293 --> 00:34:23,228 but it was very alien to them. 502 00:34:23,329 --> 00:34:26,197 >>Cro-Magnon and Neanderthal did not interbreed peacefully, 503 00:34:26,297 --> 00:34:27,966 in my opinion. 504 00:34:28,065 --> 00:34:31,603 Basically, it was Cro-Magnon raping Neanderthal woman. 505 00:34:31,703 --> 00:34:32,971 That's how we arose. 506 00:34:33,071 --> 00:34:36,375 And that's why it says in the Old Testament, when 507 00:34:36,475 --> 00:34:39,710 the sons of God came into the daughters of men, 508 00:34:39,811 --> 00:34:41,580 these were the mighty men of old. 509 00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:44,516 Their offspring were the mighty men of old. 510 00:34:44,616 --> 00:34:47,485 Sons of God, Cro-Magnon, male. 511 00:34:47,585 --> 00:34:52,924 Daughters of men were her, female, Neanderthal. 512 00:34:53,024 --> 00:34:56,094 It was Cro-Magnon raping Neanderthal woman, 513 00:34:56,195 --> 00:34:59,498 in my opinion, that produced us. 514 00:34:59,598 --> 00:35:03,735 >>Our culture, our religious impulses, 515 00:35:03,835 --> 00:35:07,706 many of our institutions, societal 516 00:35:07,806 --> 00:35:09,908 institutions are really a combination 517 00:35:10,008 --> 00:35:15,314 of both Neanderthal institutions or religious aspects, if you 518 00:35:15,414 --> 00:35:19,050 want to call it that, and Cro-Magnons, 519 00:35:19,151 --> 00:35:23,955 that the Cro-Magnons really adopted or inherited, 520 00:35:24,055 --> 00:35:29,361 or actually took over many Neanderthal concepts, 521 00:35:29,461 --> 00:35:32,898 many Neanderthal mental innovations. 522 00:35:32,998 --> 00:35:39,137 For instance, maybe symbolism, religious ceremonies. 523 00:35:39,238 --> 00:35:42,474 Many of what, in a most deep-seated way, 524 00:35:42,574 --> 00:35:46,945 make up our culture, make up our identity as we see it today. 525 00:35:47,045 --> 00:35:51,116 >>A lot of our culture and our beliefs and our disbeliefs 526 00:35:51,217 --> 00:35:52,418 come from Neanderthal. 527 00:35:52,518 --> 00:35:56,988 So we've incorporated much of the Neanderthal material 528 00:35:57,088 --> 00:35:59,191 into our lives. 529 00:35:59,291 --> 00:36:03,529 Now in particular-- I'm picking on this in particular-- 530 00:36:03,629 --> 00:36:07,299 I maintain that the story of Christ and the Resurrection, 531 00:36:07,399 --> 00:36:11,503 all of it, is simply a distorted version of the ancient moon 532 00:36:11,603 --> 00:36:12,871 religion. 533 00:36:12,971 --> 00:36:14,105 Crucified on the cross. 534 00:36:14,206 --> 00:36:15,707 The cross is the symbol for the moon 535 00:36:15,807 --> 00:36:18,377 in all pre-Christian cultures worldwide. 536 00:36:18,477 --> 00:36:21,480 He's crucified on a Friday, which is Friars Day. 537 00:36:21,580 --> 00:36:23,014 She's the moon goddess. 538 00:36:23,114 --> 00:36:26,452 He's resurrected on Monday, which is my Moon Day. 539 00:36:26,552 --> 00:36:30,155 And he's resurrected three days later, then he dies. 540 00:36:30,256 --> 00:36:34,192 Now three is important for several reasons in the moon 541 00:36:34,293 --> 00:36:35,461 culture. 542 00:36:35,561 --> 00:36:39,831 One, the moon has three colors, white, red, and black. 543 00:36:39,931 --> 00:36:42,301 So the moon has three colors. 544 00:36:42,401 --> 00:36:43,935 And what's more important than that? 545 00:36:44,035 --> 00:36:45,271 Oh, yeah. 546 00:36:45,371 --> 00:36:47,873 The other thing, of course, is that earth, moon, and sun 547 00:36:47,973 --> 00:36:51,977 are considered to be mother, father, child. 548 00:36:52,077 --> 00:36:57,048 And the earth is the child, the daughter of the sun 549 00:36:57,148 --> 00:36:58,216 and the moon. 550 00:36:58,317 --> 00:37:00,218 That was part of the moon religion. 551 00:37:00,319 --> 00:37:03,522 So the three is important for several reasons. 552 00:37:03,622 --> 00:37:08,327 Christ is said to be born of the 25th of December. 553 00:37:08,427 --> 00:37:10,829 Now that's three days-- did you say 554 00:37:10,929 --> 00:37:14,566 three-- three days after the shortest day when the sun is 555 00:37:14,666 --> 00:37:17,936 reborn every year after the moon sacrifices him 556 00:37:18,036 --> 00:37:19,204 on the shortest day. 557 00:37:19,305 --> 00:37:21,740 She sacrifices him, and then resurrects him 558 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,041 so that life can continue. 559 00:37:25,877 --> 00:37:27,979 >>Could the story of Jesus Christ 560 00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:34,320 be based upon a far older story of Neanderthal rituals? 561 00:37:34,420 --> 00:37:37,022 Could our most cherished religious beliefs 562 00:37:37,122 --> 00:37:41,527 originate with the Neanderthals, such as the concepts 563 00:37:41,627 --> 00:37:44,930 we have of immortality and resurrection? 564 00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:48,900 Could the Bible be an actual historical source 565 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:53,739 that had preserved some of the Neanderthal fundamental wisdom, 566 00:37:53,839 --> 00:37:57,242 preserving it for us in a veiled form? 567 00:38:05,250 --> 00:38:09,788 Ralph Solecki, an archaeologist who worked at the Smithsonian 568 00:38:09,888 --> 00:38:15,060 Institution, went to do an excavation in northern Iraq 569 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:19,097 in a cave called Shanidar. 570 00:38:19,197 --> 00:38:21,800 What he discovered he published in a book 571 00:38:21,900 --> 00:38:24,836 called "Shanidar: The First Flower People." 572 00:38:24,936 --> 00:38:28,374 In the cave of Shanidar, Solecki discovered 573 00:38:28,474 --> 00:38:34,780 nine Neanderthal skeletons, the most ever found in one cave. 574 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,817 During the excavations that took many years to uncover, 575 00:38:38,917 --> 00:38:42,821 Solecki discovered something extraordinary 576 00:38:42,921 --> 00:38:46,992 that changed completely the perception of Neanderthal up 577 00:38:47,092 --> 00:38:48,527 to that point. 578 00:38:48,627 --> 00:38:51,563 This was 1971. 579 00:38:51,663 --> 00:38:56,067 What he discovered was a burial with flowers. 580 00:38:56,167 --> 00:38:58,504 The Neanderthals had buried their dead 581 00:38:58,604 --> 00:39:03,775 with seasonal flowers that also had medicinal purposes. 582 00:39:03,875 --> 00:39:06,778 This was quite shocking to discover, 583 00:39:06,878 --> 00:39:10,248 the compassion of these people and the fact 584 00:39:10,348 --> 00:39:13,118 that they believe in an afterlife. 585 00:39:13,218 --> 00:39:16,422 The flowers found in the Shanidar cave 586 00:39:16,522 --> 00:39:19,357 are found in Bucegi. 587 00:39:19,458 --> 00:39:23,429 It was a spring burial with flowers that 588 00:39:23,529 --> 00:39:27,466 were white, violet, and yellow. 589 00:39:27,566 --> 00:39:31,737 In his excavations, Solecki discovered other things 590 00:39:31,837 --> 00:39:36,274 that changed our perception of Neanderthal. 591 00:39:36,374 --> 00:39:42,013 He discovered the skeletons of handicapped and old people, 592 00:39:42,113 --> 00:39:44,683 so it meant that the Neanderthal had 593 00:39:44,783 --> 00:39:48,386 to take care of their sick and their old. 594 00:39:48,487 --> 00:39:50,889 Isn't that such a human touch? 595 00:39:50,989 --> 00:39:55,694 Solecki called the Neanderthals people 596 00:39:55,794 --> 00:39:58,630 with such good characters. 597 00:39:58,730 --> 00:40:04,870 We should be proud to have them as our ancestors. 598 00:40:04,970 --> 00:40:07,673 This is a far cry from the view of Neanderthal 599 00:40:07,773 --> 00:40:10,609 held for most of this century, that they were 600 00:40:10,709 --> 00:40:13,344 a brutal subspecies of humans. 601 00:40:13,445 --> 00:40:16,047 In light of recent evidence, Neanderthal 602 00:40:16,147 --> 00:40:19,317 emerges shockingly close to a modern human, 603 00:40:19,417 --> 00:40:22,888 a sensitive, highly intelligent creature 604 00:40:22,988 --> 00:40:25,957 with a well-developed culture and a well-developed sense 605 00:40:26,057 --> 00:40:26,758 of self. 606 00:40:30,295 --> 00:40:34,065 Like any good scientific theory, Gooch's ideas 607 00:40:34,165 --> 00:40:36,702 are subject to testing and further exploration. 608 00:40:44,342 --> 00:40:47,679 Two hours walking distance from the Sphinx, 609 00:40:47,779 --> 00:40:51,517 there is a cave called the Bear Cave, 610 00:40:51,617 --> 00:40:56,187 because a lot of cave bear remains had been found here, 611 00:40:56,287 --> 00:41:02,227 as well as Neanderthal tools and two Neanderthal hearths. 612 00:41:02,327 --> 00:41:08,133 It is possible, I believe, that the Neanderthals used 613 00:41:08,233 --> 00:41:11,469 this cave not only for living, but they 614 00:41:11,570 --> 00:41:12,971 used it to perform rituals. 615 00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:22,147 Daniel Ruzo considered that everywhere else 616 00:41:22,247 --> 00:41:25,316 in the world, the legends and the sculptures 617 00:41:25,416 --> 00:41:27,352 had been forgotten. 618 00:41:27,452 --> 00:41:31,289 But here in the Carpathian Mountains of Romania, 619 00:41:31,389 --> 00:41:33,925 the legends keep alive the memory. 620 00:41:37,295 --> 00:41:41,166 A legend called the Ialomita Cave, collected by the Romanian 621 00:41:41,266 --> 00:41:47,372 Queen Elizabeth, talks about an old magician, an old wizard who 622 00:41:47,472 --> 00:41:51,142 was isolated here, who lived in seclusion, 623 00:41:51,242 --> 00:41:53,579 and who practiced herbal medicine, 624 00:41:53,679 --> 00:41:56,548 and who was very, very knowledgeable. 625 00:41:56,648 --> 00:42:00,451 Another legend talks about Zalmoxis. 626 00:42:00,552 --> 00:42:01,820 >>The cult of Zalmoxis. 627 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,791 This was recorded by the ancient Greek historian Herodotus, 628 00:42:05,891 --> 00:42:09,961 but clearly goes back to much more ancient times. 629 00:42:10,061 --> 00:42:14,900 I suspect it actually goes back to Neanderthal times. 630 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:20,739 >>And when he emerged, he was designated "God of Immortality 631 00:42:20,839 --> 00:42:26,377 and of the Night." 632 00:42:26,477 --> 00:42:30,415 >>It was clearly a cult that believed in immortality, 633 00:42:30,515 --> 00:42:33,384 that there was something beyond physical death. 634 00:42:33,484 --> 00:42:36,221 There was something beyond the material existence. 635 00:42:36,321 --> 00:42:37,789 There was something that we might 636 00:42:37,889 --> 00:42:41,559 call a soul that would continue, that would survive. 637 00:42:41,660 --> 00:42:44,663 This is actually not a belief that the ancient Greeks, 638 00:42:44,763 --> 00:42:48,333 for instance, had, but it seems to have been a belief 639 00:42:48,433 --> 00:42:50,101 that the Neanderthals had. 640 00:43:39,417 --> 00:43:42,654 >>The Bats Cave has not been properly excavated 641 00:43:42,754 --> 00:43:47,558 since the 1950s when Neanderthal remains had been found here. 642 00:44:04,342 --> 00:44:06,577 The evidence in the Carpathian Mountains 643 00:44:06,678 --> 00:44:09,147 shows that a Neanderthal cave bear 644 00:44:09,247 --> 00:44:14,585 ritual is 75,000 years old, the oldest in the world. 645 00:44:24,395 --> 00:44:29,835 >>It's important, in my mind, to carry out new excavations, 646 00:44:29,935 --> 00:44:32,838 not looking for just the same old, same old, 647 00:44:32,938 --> 00:44:35,841 but also looking for new evidence with a new view, 648 00:44:35,941 --> 00:44:37,642 with a new frame of mind. 649 00:44:55,861 --> 00:44:58,296 No flowers have been found yet with 650 00:44:58,396 --> 00:45:01,066 any other prehistoric burials. 651 00:45:01,166 --> 00:45:05,503 We offer the suggestion here that up to this time, 652 00:45:05,603 --> 00:45:07,438 no one has looked for the evidence. 653 00:45:10,275 --> 00:45:15,013 >>In early August, I returned to Bucharest to welcome a very 654 00:45:15,113 --> 00:45:15,847 special guest. 655 00:45:47,212 --> 00:45:48,113 >>Yeah, we do. 656 00:45:49,514 --> 00:45:52,583 >>Yeah. [inaudible] where they were excavating before. 657 00:45:52,683 --> 00:45:53,785 >>Yes, exactly. 658 00:45:54,685 --> 00:45:56,087 >>Very important, yes. 659 00:46:13,271 --> 00:46:18,776 >>Even looking today, I found-- for instance, here's a tooth. 660 00:46:18,877 --> 00:46:19,577 >>Oh, wow. 661 00:46:19,677 --> 00:46:22,547 >>The remains of a tooth. 662 00:46:22,647 --> 00:46:24,115 It looks to me like a-- 663 00:46:24,215 --> 00:46:25,050 >>Pretty big. 664 00:46:25,150 --> 00:46:26,351 >>Pretty big. 665 00:46:26,451 --> 00:46:28,386 A bear, ancient bear. 666 00:46:28,486 --> 00:46:29,587 You can see the root. 667 00:46:29,687 --> 00:46:30,655 You can see the crown. 668 00:46:30,755 --> 00:46:35,460 It looks to me like a molar tooth. 669 00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,563 But to just come in here, just be looking for a few minutes, 670 00:46:38,663 --> 00:46:41,232 and to find it right on the surface. 671 00:46:41,332 --> 00:46:45,270 >>Also, there's not only one type of ritual 672 00:46:45,370 --> 00:46:48,273 that they found with cave bears. 673 00:46:48,373 --> 00:46:51,376 That there were different formations, 674 00:46:51,476 --> 00:46:53,411 different arrangements. 675 00:46:53,511 --> 00:46:57,582 So that implies complexity of thinking. 676 00:46:57,682 --> 00:47:00,251 >>Exactly. 677 00:47:00,351 --> 00:47:03,989 Different rituals, maybe, for different specific things. 678 00:47:04,089 --> 00:47:05,857 So there are variations on a theme. 679 00:47:05,957 --> 00:47:07,258 So there's a continuity. 680 00:47:07,358 --> 00:47:08,894 There's a connection. 681 00:47:08,994 --> 00:47:11,596 But there's also the variations. 682 00:47:11,696 --> 00:47:13,464 So it shows a real complexity. 683 00:47:13,564 --> 00:47:16,801 So here you have a connection, I think, 684 00:47:16,902 --> 00:47:18,203 at least anthropomorphic. 685 00:47:18,303 --> 00:47:23,274 A human connection between caves on the one hand 686 00:47:23,374 --> 00:47:26,311 and stone sculptures on the other hand. 687 00:47:26,411 --> 00:47:29,347 I find this absolutely amazing. 688 00:47:29,447 --> 00:47:32,017 Everyone looks at one side of the Sphinx 689 00:47:32,117 --> 00:47:33,284 and sees a face there. 690 00:47:33,384 --> 00:47:34,886 It looks like a modern face. 691 00:47:34,986 --> 00:47:39,157 But if we walk around to the other side, look what we have. 692 00:47:39,257 --> 00:47:40,225 This is a face. 693 00:47:40,325 --> 00:47:42,827 >>We have an anthropoid looking face. 694 00:47:42,928 --> 00:47:44,062 >>Exactly. 695 00:47:44,162 --> 00:47:46,231 But it looks like a Neanderthal. 696 00:47:46,331 --> 00:47:52,837 A Neanderthal face with a big eye socket, low forehead. 697 00:47:52,938 --> 00:47:55,440 You can see the mouth and the nose here. 698 00:47:55,540 --> 00:47:59,244 And notice-- and I think this is very telling, very important-- 699 00:47:59,344 --> 00:48:00,912 the way it's facing. 700 00:48:01,012 --> 00:48:04,482 This face is looking toward the west. 701 00:48:04,582 --> 00:48:05,984 And we're here in the evening. 702 00:48:06,084 --> 00:48:07,318 The sun is setting. 703 00:48:07,418 --> 00:48:09,854 Look how the sun is lined up. 704 00:48:09,955 --> 00:48:11,422 >>Direct line to the eye. 705 00:48:11,522 --> 00:48:13,124 >>Direct line to the eye. 706 00:48:13,224 --> 00:48:17,628 This Neanderthal-type face is looking toward the west, 707 00:48:17,728 --> 00:48:19,864 looking toward the setting sun. 708 00:48:19,965 --> 00:48:23,034 Now it's been speculated that Neanderthals 709 00:48:23,134 --> 00:48:25,503 were a more nocturnal species. 710 00:48:25,603 --> 00:48:29,474 If that's the case, what sun would they be interested in? 711 00:48:29,574 --> 00:48:30,575 The setting sun. 712 00:48:30,675 --> 00:48:33,644 The sun that sets as they come out 713 00:48:33,744 --> 00:48:37,315 for their nocturnal activities, their ceremonies, 714 00:48:37,415 --> 00:48:38,449 their rituals. 715 00:48:38,549 --> 00:48:40,685 So they would not be looking toward the east 716 00:48:40,785 --> 00:48:45,456 as many modern cultures do, but toward the west. 717 00:48:45,556 --> 00:48:48,626 The setting sun, which would be significant and important 718 00:48:48,726 --> 00:48:51,997 to them, because essentially, that would start their day. 719 00:48:52,097 --> 00:48:54,499 That would start their ceremonies. 720 00:48:54,599 --> 00:48:58,303 And here we have a Neanderthal-like face 721 00:48:58,403 --> 00:49:00,571 looking toward the setting sun. 722 00:49:00,671 --> 00:49:07,445 Yeah, looking at this face as a geologist, 723 00:49:07,545 --> 00:49:09,380 looking at the types of rock, you've 724 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,383 got several different layers of rock. 725 00:49:12,483 --> 00:49:14,452 You've got more fine sandstones. 726 00:49:14,552 --> 00:49:15,720 You've got conglomerates. 727 00:49:15,820 --> 00:49:19,890 You've got rocks that are set within the rock. 728 00:49:19,991 --> 00:49:20,891 That's all natural. 729 00:49:20,992 --> 00:49:22,227 >>Yes, like that one. 730 00:49:22,327 --> 00:49:25,796 >>Like these pink rocks and these darker blackish rocks. 731 00:49:25,896 --> 00:49:29,500 And then you have what looks like a little hat on top of it, 732 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,802 which is a slightly different rock, 733 00:49:31,902 --> 00:49:33,704 different lithology again. 734 00:49:33,804 --> 00:49:37,175 So you've got a very complex interplay of different rock 735 00:49:37,275 --> 00:49:40,845 types, and that's all natural. 736 00:49:40,945 --> 00:49:45,516 Then you have them shaped into this face, this profile. 737 00:49:45,616 --> 00:49:48,386 And that's where I start to wonder, 738 00:49:48,486 --> 00:49:53,424 is that totally natural erosional features, 739 00:49:53,524 --> 00:49:59,097 or is there the possibility that it 740 00:49:59,197 --> 00:50:01,932 started to look like a face because 741 00:50:02,033 --> 00:50:04,169 of natural erosional features? 742 00:50:04,269 --> 00:50:08,906 Is it possible that maybe people came, they pecked away at it, 743 00:50:09,006 --> 00:50:12,977 they modified it a little bit to look more like a face? 744 00:50:13,078 --> 00:50:16,347 We know from other places that does happen. 745 00:50:16,447 --> 00:50:19,350 Now when I've walked around this, looked at it closely, 746 00:50:19,450 --> 00:50:24,222 it's so badly eroded that it's, I would say, virtually 747 00:50:24,322 --> 00:50:27,625 impossible to tell at this point if there's 748 00:50:27,725 --> 00:50:30,095 any kind of artificiality to it. 749 00:50:30,195 --> 00:50:31,262 There could have been. 750 00:50:31,362 --> 00:50:33,264 I can't say for certain. 751 00:50:33,364 --> 00:50:38,336 But I think more importantly in a way, it doesn't matter. 752 00:50:38,436 --> 00:50:41,339 Because you've got this profile, you've got this structure. 753 00:50:41,439 --> 00:50:47,044 It's clearly recognizable as a face, as a human profile. 754 00:50:47,145 --> 00:50:48,846 When you walk around to the other side, 755 00:50:48,946 --> 00:50:52,883 you've got another clearly recognizable profile. 756 00:50:52,983 --> 00:50:56,521 They're oriented in important directions, 757 00:50:56,621 --> 00:51:00,091 this one toward the north, the other face that looks more 758 00:51:00,191 --> 00:51:02,560 Neanderthal toward the west. 759 00:51:02,660 --> 00:51:04,962 That's significant in both cases. 760 00:51:05,062 --> 00:51:07,532 So whether they're natural or whether they're 761 00:51:07,632 --> 00:51:10,868 artificial or some combination of both, 762 00:51:10,968 --> 00:51:14,105 I can see that they were incredibly important. 763 00:51:14,205 --> 00:51:17,575 They would have attracted attention in ancient times 764 00:51:17,675 --> 00:51:19,144 just as they do now. 765 00:51:19,244 --> 00:51:24,115 Many sacred sites around the world are natural, 766 00:51:24,215 --> 00:51:26,451 and they're maybe even considered more sacred 767 00:51:26,551 --> 00:51:27,885 because they are natural. 768 00:51:27,985 --> 00:51:29,487 They're from nature. 769 00:51:29,587 --> 00:51:30,655 They're from the gods. 770 00:51:30,755 --> 00:51:31,456 >>Exactly. 771 00:51:31,556 --> 00:51:32,690 So it looks like a miracle. 772 00:51:32,790 --> 00:51:33,491 >>That's right. 773 00:51:33,591 --> 00:51:34,259 That's right. 774 00:51:34,359 --> 00:51:35,526 That's right. 775 00:51:35,626 --> 00:51:39,264 >>The natural rock has a shape of a face or an animal. 776 00:51:39,364 --> 00:51:40,431 >>Exactly. 777 00:51:40,531 --> 00:51:42,333 >>Without any-- 778 00:51:42,433 --> 00:51:45,836 >>Any human touch, any artificialities. 779 00:51:45,936 --> 00:51:51,776 So in some ways, one could argue that if this is fully natural, 780 00:51:51,876 --> 00:51:55,780 it's even more spectacular, even more important, 781 00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,884 because it's an indication of something that 782 00:51:59,984 --> 00:52:03,521 could be considered from the gods' sacred divinity. 783 00:52:03,621 --> 00:52:04,489 >>Exactly. 784 00:52:04,589 --> 00:52:06,491 If this is completely natural, I'm 785 00:52:06,591 --> 00:52:12,230 a lot more impressed and moved than if it was 786 00:52:12,330 --> 00:52:13,831 sculpted by the hand of man. 787 00:52:13,931 --> 00:52:17,202 >>So I see this as a huge head. 788 00:52:17,302 --> 00:52:20,171 But really, only the upper portion of the head, 789 00:52:20,271 --> 00:52:22,473 what I call the emerging head. 790 00:52:22,573 --> 00:52:26,043 And if you look at it, this to me looks like a nose. 791 00:52:26,143 --> 00:52:28,313 So you've got a nose starting here. 792 00:52:28,413 --> 00:52:29,113 >>It's a huge nose. 793 00:52:29,214 --> 00:52:30,448 >>Huge nose. 794 00:52:30,548 --> 00:52:33,451 You've got an eye socket here. 795 00:52:33,551 --> 00:52:36,787 And then above the eye socket, the brow ridge. 796 00:52:36,887 --> 00:52:39,190 And then a low forehead. 797 00:52:39,290 --> 00:52:41,025 And what's interesting is this forehead 798 00:52:41,125 --> 00:52:43,828 is not like a modern forehead, but much lower. 799 00:52:43,928 --> 00:52:47,398 The whole skull, the whole head is pulled back, 800 00:52:47,498 --> 00:52:50,301 elongated toward the back portion. 801 00:52:50,401 --> 00:52:53,971 Which, to me, says this is a Neanderthal head. 802 00:52:54,071 --> 00:52:57,275 It's not a modern head, but it's a Neanderthal head 803 00:52:57,375 --> 00:53:00,077 or a Neanderthal face emerging from the bedrock. 804 00:53:00,177 --> 00:53:00,878 >>Exactly. 805 00:53:00,978 --> 00:53:01,912 Top of face. 806 00:53:02,012 --> 00:53:03,013 >>Yeah. 807 00:53:03,113 --> 00:53:05,383 It's like it's being born from the bedrock. 808 00:53:05,483 --> 00:53:08,453 And so not only do you have this face sort or this emerging 809 00:53:08,553 --> 00:53:11,489 head, which I think is very recognizable-- 810 00:53:11,589 --> 00:53:12,557 >>Oh, yeah. 811 00:53:12,657 --> 00:53:14,325 >>Neanderthals would have recognized it. 812 00:53:14,425 --> 00:53:18,396 But you also have-- look what we're standing on. 813 00:53:18,496 --> 00:53:21,632 Sort of this staging area right in front of it, 814 00:53:21,732 --> 00:53:23,033 which I think could have been used 815 00:53:23,133 --> 00:53:27,372 for ritual purposes, ceremonies, initiations. 816 00:53:27,472 --> 00:53:28,673 It would make a perfect place. 817 00:53:28,773 --> 00:53:30,207 It's like a-- I don't want to call it 818 00:53:30,308 --> 00:53:36,046 an altar, but a stage where things could take place 819 00:53:36,146 --> 00:53:38,816 with the backdrop of the head. 820 00:53:38,916 --> 00:53:43,988 Here on this area in front of the emerging head, 821 00:53:44,088 --> 00:53:47,458 where I've suggested that ceremonies, rituals may 822 00:53:47,558 --> 00:53:51,262 have been taking place, look what we have. 823 00:53:51,362 --> 00:53:54,031 What this is is sort of a scooped out area. 824 00:53:54,131 --> 00:53:54,999 >>It's almost a round-- 825 00:53:55,099 --> 00:53:55,933 >>Yeah. 826 00:53:56,033 --> 00:53:57,435 It's a round, sort of basin area. 827 00:53:57,535 --> 00:54:00,204 If you put your hand in it, it's filled with rainwater now 828 00:54:00,305 --> 00:54:01,105 and sediment. 829 00:54:01,205 --> 00:54:02,673 It's actually quite deep. 830 00:54:02,773 --> 00:54:04,275 >>Very. 831 00:54:04,375 --> 00:54:07,111 I mean, that is deep, and I'm not really touching the end. 832 00:54:07,211 --> 00:54:08,112 >>Yeah, it's quite deep. 833 00:54:08,212 --> 00:54:09,046 >>It's just sediment. 834 00:54:09,146 --> 00:54:10,315 >>Yeah. 835 00:54:10,415 --> 00:54:12,283 It's just sediment that's collected in modern times. 836 00:54:12,383 --> 00:54:17,355 But what I think we have here is really a depression or basin 837 00:54:17,455 --> 00:54:19,690 area that would have been perfect 838 00:54:19,790 --> 00:54:24,962 for ritualistic purposes, for different ceremonial purposes. 839 00:54:25,062 --> 00:54:28,098 It may have started out as a natural depression, 840 00:54:28,198 --> 00:54:34,071 but I believe it was probably enhanced by people rubbing it, 841 00:54:34,171 --> 00:54:35,340 scratching it. 842 00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,809 You see in more recent ancient sites from only a few 843 00:54:38,909 --> 00:54:43,514 thousand years ago, say at temple complexes in Egypt, 844 00:54:43,614 --> 00:54:47,852 in Turkey, places where people will rub the rock. 845 00:54:47,952 --> 00:54:50,220 They'll scrape it, and it makes depressions. 846 00:54:50,321 --> 00:54:53,290 They're trying to get the sacredness, the power 847 00:54:53,391 --> 00:54:54,892 from that sacred site. 848 00:54:54,992 --> 00:54:58,796 This may have been formed initially the same way, formed 849 00:54:58,896 --> 00:54:59,997 this depression. 850 00:55:00,097 --> 00:55:04,068 This now serves for ceremonial purposes. 851 00:55:04,168 --> 00:55:05,803 >>How many people would you need-- 852 00:55:05,903 --> 00:55:06,871 >>Oh, many-- 853 00:55:06,971 --> 00:55:08,506 >>In order to create something like this. 854 00:55:08,606 --> 00:55:10,541 >>Oh, a lot if you're scraping it like that. 855 00:55:10,641 --> 00:55:11,942 >>Over a very long period of time. 856 00:55:12,042 --> 00:55:13,711 >>Over a very long period of time. 857 00:55:13,811 --> 00:55:15,079 >>Thousands and thousands-- 858 00:55:15,179 --> 00:55:18,449 >>Of generations, potentially, if they're doing it by hand 859 00:55:18,549 --> 00:55:21,018 and rubbing it or scraping away at it. 860 00:55:21,118 --> 00:55:23,488 But once you have it, you've got this depression, 861 00:55:23,588 --> 00:55:26,156 this basin that could be used for any number 862 00:55:26,256 --> 00:55:27,892 of ceremonial purposes. 863 00:55:27,992 --> 00:55:30,495 Maybe it was filled with water and used for some kind 864 00:55:30,595 --> 00:55:32,196 of cleansing ritual. 865 00:55:32,296 --> 00:55:37,835 Maybe it was used for some kind of sanctified or holy water. 866 00:55:37,935 --> 00:55:39,404 We still have those concepts today, 867 00:55:39,504 --> 00:55:41,439 either cleansing rituals as you go 868 00:55:41,539 --> 00:55:44,675 into a sacred place or holy water that 869 00:55:44,775 --> 00:55:48,212 brings the power of the sacred site, 870 00:55:48,312 --> 00:55:52,383 and lets you may be ingest it or sprinkle it on yourself. 871 00:55:52,483 --> 00:55:53,651 Baptism. 872 00:55:53,751 --> 00:55:57,422 We still use water from a basin from a depression. 873 00:55:57,522 --> 00:56:02,159 Maybe it was used to collect some kind of sacrifice 874 00:56:02,259 --> 00:56:03,360 for the gods. 875 00:56:03,461 --> 00:56:05,295 Maybe it was filled with liquid. 876 00:56:05,396 --> 00:56:08,633 Maybe some kind of drink. 877 00:56:08,733 --> 00:56:11,335 Maybe it was used to collect blood if there 878 00:56:11,436 --> 00:56:14,138 were sacrifices of animals. 879 00:56:14,238 --> 00:56:17,141 >>We saw a little bit higher, that basin area 880 00:56:17,241 --> 00:56:19,844 that may have been used for ceremonial purposes. 881 00:56:19,944 --> 00:56:21,145 To me, this is very similar. 882 00:56:21,245 --> 00:56:24,248 This is not exactly a basin. 883 00:56:24,348 --> 00:56:27,652 Possibly it was at one point, if this has eroded back 884 00:56:27,752 --> 00:56:28,686 in more recent times. 885 00:56:28,786 --> 00:56:30,521 You can see there some breakage there. 886 00:56:30,621 --> 00:56:34,625 But what it looks like is an area that eroded out. 887 00:56:34,725 --> 00:56:35,793 You can put your hand-- 888 00:56:35,893 --> 00:56:36,861 >>Almost. 889 00:56:36,961 --> 00:56:41,566 Because I really cannot reach in the end. 890 00:56:41,666 --> 00:56:43,033 >>No, it goes way back. 891 00:56:43,133 --> 00:56:43,901 >>Probably up to-- 892 00:56:44,001 --> 00:56:45,703 >>At least back to there. 893 00:56:45,803 --> 00:56:49,440 And what it looks to me like is a place 894 00:56:49,540 --> 00:56:51,576 where people may have been scraping 895 00:56:51,676 --> 00:56:54,745 at it, removing material. 896 00:56:54,845 --> 00:56:59,717 It's a slightly different rock here in the general matrix. 897 00:56:59,817 --> 00:57:01,118 It would have attracted attention. 898 00:57:01,218 --> 00:57:03,854 You see it's sort of an orange-ish, reddish color. 899 00:57:03,954 --> 00:57:09,760 But like you see at other sacred sites of more recent origin, 900 00:57:09,860 --> 00:57:11,862 it may have been a place where people scratched 901 00:57:11,962 --> 00:57:14,064 it to try to get a little bit of powder, 902 00:57:14,164 --> 00:57:19,837 a little bit of the, essentially, power, 903 00:57:19,937 --> 00:57:22,840 the sacred power of this spot. 904 00:57:39,824 --> 00:57:44,562 Another feature that is on the plateau that really struck me 905 00:57:44,662 --> 00:57:50,668 is what we can call the bearded head or the bearded man's head. 906 00:57:50,768 --> 00:57:53,137 It's a huge structure. 907 00:57:53,237 --> 00:57:56,073 Very powerful, very moving in my mind. 908 00:57:56,173 --> 00:58:00,177 And I suspect that whether it's natural or artificial 909 00:58:00,277 --> 00:58:03,514 or some combination of both, this 910 00:58:03,614 --> 00:58:06,584 is something that may have survived 911 00:58:06,684 --> 00:58:11,455 from a very long time ago, geologically, 912 00:58:11,556 --> 00:58:14,725 and may have moved people and been recognized 913 00:58:14,825 --> 00:58:18,896 by people, specifically Neanderthals, 914 00:58:18,996 --> 00:58:20,631 before the end of the last ice age. 915 00:58:20,731 --> 00:58:24,268 That they would have recognized this as looking like a face, 916 00:58:24,368 --> 00:58:28,472 as a bearded face, just like we do now. 917 00:58:28,573 --> 00:58:31,976 It almost looks to me like what some people's image of God is. 918 00:58:32,076 --> 00:58:36,480 You know, a Judeo-Christian bearded male figure. 919 00:58:36,581 --> 00:58:39,784 Interesting that you find it up in the mountains. 920 00:58:39,884 --> 00:58:42,887 And you approach it, and it seems to be, in my mind, 921 00:58:42,987 --> 00:58:45,089 a sacred, ritualistic setting. 922 00:58:45,189 --> 00:58:49,193 I'm told that the name that's been given to it is the Mechid. 923 00:58:49,293 --> 00:58:52,429 It's a name that goes back. 924 00:58:52,529 --> 00:58:54,531 We don't know exactly how long. 925 00:58:54,632 --> 00:58:57,401 But it's called the Mechid, which loosely 926 00:58:57,501 --> 00:59:00,004 translates as the church. 927 00:59:00,104 --> 00:59:03,674 And this suggests right away that there's something special 928 00:59:03,774 --> 00:59:05,142 about this area. 929 00:59:05,242 --> 00:59:06,510 What is the Mechid? 930 00:59:06,611 --> 00:59:11,415 It's this incredible limestone formation, huge formation, 931 00:59:11,515 --> 00:59:14,084 incredibly symmetrical. 932 00:59:14,184 --> 00:59:20,057 And it appears to me as if it were a stage or a podium, 933 00:59:20,157 --> 00:59:22,526 but of enormous scale. 934 00:59:22,627 --> 00:59:24,795 At a scale-- I think of giants. 935 00:59:24,895 --> 00:59:26,597 It's a huge scale. 936 00:59:26,697 --> 00:59:29,533 And it's symmetrically arranged. 937 00:59:29,634 --> 00:59:31,401 It itself is symmetrical. 938 00:59:31,501 --> 00:59:36,841 And it sits in the little valley area that forms, in my mind, 939 00:59:36,941 --> 00:59:39,009 a natural amphitheater. 940 00:59:39,109 --> 00:59:43,848 This, I can't help but think, would form a perfect stage 941 00:59:43,948 --> 00:59:47,151 for ceremonies, for ritual practices, 942 00:59:47,251 --> 00:59:49,754 for initiation, for other types of 943 00:59:49,854 --> 00:59:52,823 sacred and religious practices. 944 00:59:52,923 --> 00:59:56,260 In fact, maybe at night it would be even more dramatic 945 00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:59,664 if there were huge bonfires on the Mechid, 946 00:59:59,764 --> 01:00:05,235 if various trees like evergreen trees were thrown onto bonfires 947 01:00:05,335 --> 01:00:07,972 and then sparked up like fireworks. 948 01:00:08,072 --> 01:00:15,746 If there was drumming, if there were singing, music, voices. 949 01:00:15,846 --> 01:00:18,515 So I think this could be a very powerful setting 950 01:00:18,615 --> 01:00:21,151 for ceremonial purposes. 951 01:00:21,251 --> 01:00:24,789 All of the pieces, in my mind, come together 952 01:00:24,889 --> 01:00:28,926 here to suggest that this is a central location. 953 01:00:29,026 --> 01:00:33,430 The river, the ancient name for the river, which effectively 954 01:00:33,530 --> 01:00:36,333 originates at the Mechid, is sometimes 955 01:00:36,433 --> 01:00:40,671 interpreted or translated as divine river, 956 01:00:40,771 --> 01:00:42,339 or the heavenly river. 957 01:00:42,439 --> 01:00:47,311 So here we have more allusions to the divine, to the sacred. 958 01:00:47,411 --> 01:00:48,813 But there's still more. 959 01:00:48,913 --> 01:00:53,017 On one side of the valley, the rock formations, 960 01:00:53,117 --> 01:00:56,854 the rock peak is referred to as the Origin 961 01:00:56,954 --> 01:00:58,455 Peak, or the beginning peak. 962 01:00:58,555 --> 01:01:01,258 This suggests to me a religious connotation 963 01:01:01,358 --> 01:01:05,796 of the origins of the universe, the cosmos, of people. 964 01:01:05,896 --> 01:01:06,964 How did things originate? 965 01:01:07,064 --> 01:01:10,634 Sort of in a Judeo-Christian sense, a genesis? 966 01:01:10,735 --> 01:01:16,673 How did life itself and the universe, the cosmos originate? 967 01:01:16,774 --> 01:01:19,476 On the other side of the valley, the formations 968 01:01:19,576 --> 01:01:22,246 are known as the Goddesses. 969 01:01:22,346 --> 01:01:27,017 Clear reference to divinity, especially 970 01:01:27,117 --> 01:01:28,518 if we're talking about Neanderthals, 971 01:01:28,618 --> 01:01:33,190 and they put a lot of emphasis on women and goddesses. 972 01:01:33,290 --> 01:01:34,558 So we've got the Goddesses. 973 01:01:34,658 --> 01:01:35,926 We've got the Origins. 974 01:01:36,026 --> 01:01:37,327 We've got the Mechid. 975 01:01:37,427 --> 01:01:39,964 We've got the heavenly or divine river. 976 01:01:40,064 --> 01:01:43,768 And then if we keep going further north beyond the Mechid 977 01:01:43,868 --> 01:01:46,303 to the highest peak, we have the Peak 978 01:01:46,403 --> 01:01:48,472 of the Human Being, which suggests 979 01:01:48,572 --> 01:01:52,509 to me that origins of life, the origins of humanity. 980 01:01:52,609 --> 01:01:56,480 Processions would be carried on, going up 981 01:01:56,580 --> 01:02:00,384 the river valley from the south up toward the Mechid. 982 01:02:00,484 --> 01:02:06,490 As you ascend up the river valley toward the plateau, 983 01:02:06,590 --> 01:02:10,460 you find the Mechid as a very central location. 984 01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:13,964 There's nothing else like this in the vicinity. 985 01:02:14,064 --> 01:02:17,001 There's nothing like this in the area. 986 01:02:17,101 --> 01:02:20,304 There's nothing like this potentially in all of Europe. 987 01:02:20,404 --> 01:02:24,674 So perhaps this was a focal point, a gathering place 988 01:02:24,775 --> 01:02:28,712 for ancient Neanderthal people from a very 989 01:02:28,813 --> 01:02:30,480 broad geographic region. 990 01:02:30,580 --> 01:02:33,250 I could see this very much as a gathering 991 01:02:33,350 --> 01:02:36,954 place for sacred rituals, for ceremonies. 992 01:02:37,054 --> 01:02:39,323 And in fact, as I've looked at the maps, 993 01:02:39,423 --> 01:02:42,326 as I've looked at the geology and the topography, 994 01:02:42,426 --> 01:02:44,661 the geography of this region, you 995 01:02:44,761 --> 01:02:48,265 don't have anything like this anywhere else. 996 01:02:48,365 --> 01:02:51,001 You don't have a place that's at high altitude 997 01:02:51,101 --> 01:02:54,571 where from below, it looks like huge mountain peaks. 998 01:02:54,671 --> 01:02:56,573 In fact, we're in the Carpathian Mountains. 999 01:02:56,673 --> 01:03:00,244 But then when you get up to the top, it's like a fortress, 1000 01:03:00,344 --> 01:03:03,047 and it opens up into this plateau. 1001 01:03:03,147 --> 01:03:06,050 >>And in the middle of the fortress, there is-- 1002 01:03:06,150 --> 01:03:07,084 >>Structures like this. 1003 01:03:07,184 --> 01:03:09,219 >>This natural or artificial feature. 1004 01:03:09,319 --> 01:03:10,387 >>Here it is. 1005 01:03:10,487 --> 01:03:13,924 So this would be a gathering point. 1006 01:03:14,024 --> 01:03:15,759 I see it very much as a gathering 1007 01:03:15,860 --> 01:03:18,395 point, a ceremonial point. 1008 01:03:18,495 --> 01:03:24,801 And I wonder as I think about how widespread the populations 1009 01:03:24,902 --> 01:03:27,771 were that would gather here periodically, because there's 1010 01:03:27,872 --> 01:03:32,409 no other area that's as well-suited as this 1011 01:03:32,509 --> 01:03:36,013 for, I believe, hundreds of kilometers. 1012 01:03:36,113 --> 01:03:39,016 So if we're talking about Neanderthal culture 1013 01:03:39,116 --> 01:03:43,854 and consistent rituals over a large geographic area, 1014 01:03:43,954 --> 01:03:46,723 consistent beliefs, shared beliefs, 1015 01:03:46,823 --> 01:03:51,228 shared religious ceremonies, periodically, they 1016 01:03:51,328 --> 01:03:56,066 would gather all together to exchange stories, 1017 01:03:56,166 --> 01:03:59,636 to participate in ceremonies that would bond 1018 01:03:59,736 --> 01:04:01,405 different communities together. 1019 01:04:01,505 --> 01:04:03,707 I think this is the perfect spot for that. 1020 01:04:03,807 --> 01:04:07,077 We know that there's a strong Neanderthal presence here. 1021 01:04:07,177 --> 01:04:11,916 We have a number of caves, caves that occur along the river 1022 01:04:12,016 --> 01:04:15,285 valley as you ascend up toward the Mechid 1023 01:04:15,385 --> 01:04:17,321 and up toward the plateau. 1024 01:04:17,421 --> 01:04:21,758 These caves to this day preserve evidence 1025 01:04:21,858 --> 01:04:24,194 of Neanderthal presence, evidence 1026 01:04:24,294 --> 01:04:26,563 of Neanderthal rituals. 1027 01:04:26,663 --> 01:04:32,236 >>The anthropoid face of the Sphinx looks towards the west 1028 01:04:32,336 --> 01:04:34,638 to the Old Lady Mountain. 1029 01:04:34,738 --> 01:04:39,076 Inside that mountain, there is a cave considered 1030 01:04:39,176 --> 01:04:42,746 sacred for a very long time. 1031 01:04:42,846 --> 01:04:47,484 Robert and I, we go to investigate. 1032 01:04:47,584 --> 01:04:49,019 And this is the bear hole. 1033 01:04:49,119 --> 01:04:50,520 >>Oh, OK? 1034 01:04:52,923 --> 01:04:54,091 >>Very echo-y. 1035 01:04:54,191 --> 01:04:58,262 The perfect place for some type of musical ceremony. 1036 01:04:58,362 --> 01:04:59,663 >>Yeah. 1037 01:04:59,763 --> 01:05:03,033 I mean, maybe there were ritual feasts in a chamber like this. 1038 01:05:03,133 --> 01:05:07,604 >>What's the behavior of-- what was the behavioral of ice age 1039 01:05:07,704 --> 01:05:08,405 bears? 1040 01:05:08,505 --> 01:05:09,506 >>Right. 1041 01:05:09,606 --> 01:05:10,740 And also-- 1042 01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:15,145 >>Would it be natural for-- would so many of them 1043 01:05:15,245 --> 01:05:17,982 come here to die? 1044 01:05:18,082 --> 01:05:18,782 >>Yeah. 1045 01:05:18,882 --> 01:05:19,916 Yeah. 1046 01:05:20,017 --> 01:05:21,485 And they just all decided to come here 1047 01:05:21,585 --> 01:05:23,187 when they were about to die. 1048 01:05:23,287 --> 01:05:25,489 >>It's also possible that perhaps they 1049 01:05:25,589 --> 01:05:27,091 were used in rituals. 1050 01:05:27,191 --> 01:05:28,225 >>That's what I'm thinking. 1051 01:05:28,325 --> 01:05:30,827 They'd be using tame bears. 1052 01:05:30,927 --> 01:05:31,962 >>Yes. 1053 01:05:32,062 --> 01:05:35,232 And if this place was used for performance, 1054 01:05:35,332 --> 01:05:38,802 it would make a lot of sense that they 1055 01:05:38,902 --> 01:05:40,304 would have the dancing bears. 1056 01:05:41,205 --> 01:05:42,272 Beautiful. 1057 01:05:42,372 --> 01:05:44,674 >>Really incredible space. 1058 01:05:44,774 --> 01:05:48,645 It's an amazing experience. 1059 01:05:48,745 --> 01:05:49,646 >>I don't know. 1060 01:05:49,746 --> 01:05:51,215 For me, it creates an experience that 1061 01:05:51,315 --> 01:05:54,084 is really extraordinary, very moving. 1062 01:05:54,184 --> 01:05:57,787 But it's hard to find the right words. 1063 01:05:57,887 --> 01:05:58,588 >>Yeah. 1064 01:05:58,688 --> 01:05:59,423 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1065 01:05:59,523 --> 01:06:00,690 It's not easily put in language. 1066 01:06:06,696 --> 01:06:08,698 See, I'm wondering how they're physically following 1067 01:06:08,798 --> 01:06:10,800 the river at this point. 1068 01:06:10,900 --> 01:06:13,603 >>Because the best would be 20 meters down. 1069 01:06:13,703 --> 01:06:14,404 >>Right. 1070 01:06:14,504 --> 01:06:16,473 >>And the river is-- 1071 01:06:16,573 --> 01:06:19,243 >>And the river's going through that pass. 1072 01:06:19,343 --> 01:06:20,577 >>Yeah. 1073 01:06:20,677 --> 01:06:25,649 And here it would be almost the same - almost narrower. 1074 01:06:25,749 --> 01:06:27,684 >>Right. 1075 01:06:27,784 --> 01:06:29,253 See, what I'm saying, where would they 1076 01:06:29,353 --> 01:06:32,522 be walking unless they're walking right in the river? 1077 01:06:32,622 --> 01:06:34,124 >>That's what I would think, that they 1078 01:06:34,224 --> 01:06:36,893 would be walking in the river. 1079 01:06:36,993 --> 01:06:41,031 >>People could have been coming from many even hundreds 1080 01:06:41,131 --> 01:06:45,735 of kilometers or more away, gathering at a certain time. 1081 01:06:45,835 --> 01:06:48,772 Maybe this was something that happened every few years. 1082 01:06:48,872 --> 01:06:51,541 Maybe it was even major ceremonies that 1083 01:06:51,641 --> 01:06:53,743 occurred once in a generation. 1084 01:06:53,843 --> 01:06:55,545 And it was a pilgrimage. 1085 01:06:55,645 --> 01:06:58,982 And we can very much imagine-- and I 1086 01:06:59,083 --> 01:07:00,717 think it's more than just imagination. 1087 01:07:00,817 --> 01:07:03,187 We can reconstruct, start to reconstruct 1088 01:07:03,287 --> 01:07:08,325 how such a pilgrimages occurred, and what practices would have 1089 01:07:08,425 --> 01:07:10,527 been carried out along the way. 1090 01:07:10,627 --> 01:07:15,765 Maybe initiations were carried out along the passage, 1091 01:07:15,865 --> 01:07:17,334 getting up to the plateau. 1092 01:07:41,491 --> 01:07:45,129 >>We are really the combination, in many ways, 1093 01:07:45,229 --> 01:07:48,498 of both Neanderthals and Cro-Magnons. 1094 01:07:48,598 --> 01:07:52,169 And one question is, can we successfully 1095 01:07:52,269 --> 01:07:54,904 integrate these two aspects? 1096 01:07:55,004 --> 01:07:59,276 Arguably, Neanderthals were much closer to nature. 1097 01:07:59,376 --> 01:08:03,813 They understood how they fitted into nature much better 1098 01:08:03,913 --> 01:08:04,648 than Cro-Magnons. 1099 01:08:07,551 --> 01:08:10,154 >>The overall experience of one going into this cave 1100 01:08:10,254 --> 01:08:13,323 would be it's sort of similar for a Neanderthal. 1101 01:08:13,423 --> 01:08:15,659 >>Oh, I think it would be very similar. 1102 01:08:15,759 --> 01:08:17,227 What an incredible experience here. 1103 01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:26,736 >>Especially if they had better night vision. 1104 01:08:26,835 --> 01:08:28,971 >>I was going to say, if they had better night vision. 1105 01:08:29,072 --> 01:08:33,243 And also, what were they using for illumination? 1106 01:08:33,343 --> 01:08:34,644 Even with really good vision, they 1107 01:08:34,744 --> 01:08:37,981 had to have some kind of illumination. 1108 01:08:38,081 --> 01:08:41,218 What are the acoustics in here? 1109 01:08:41,318 --> 01:08:44,621 Oh, well-- 1110 01:08:54,664 --> 01:08:56,800 >>That's pretty good. 1111 01:08:56,899 --> 01:09:01,604 >>This place could be used for some sort of musical rituals. 1112 01:09:01,705 --> 01:09:02,939 >>Yeah. 1113 01:09:03,039 --> 01:09:03,907 >>Worked well. 1114 01:09:04,006 --> 01:09:06,643 You got good acoustics, potentially. 1115 01:09:06,743 --> 01:09:09,012 You've got sort of a natural chimney. 1116 01:09:09,112 --> 01:09:12,449 You've got water that you could channel through. 1117 01:09:12,549 --> 01:09:16,219 You probably keep a fairly-- you know, 1118 01:09:16,319 --> 01:09:21,524 temperature-wise, fairly close tolerances year-round, 1119 01:09:21,625 --> 01:09:22,326 naturally. 1120 01:09:23,393 --> 01:09:25,529 Yeah. 1121 01:09:25,629 --> 01:09:27,831 >>A perfect place to live. 1122 01:09:27,931 --> 01:09:32,669 >>It creates very interesting shapes all of a sudden. 1123 01:09:32,769 --> 01:09:34,571 Things start to emerge. 1124 01:09:34,671 --> 01:09:35,371 >>Yeah. 1125 01:09:35,471 --> 01:09:36,573 Yeah, isn't that amazing? 1126 01:09:36,673 --> 01:09:37,607 Just one candle. 1127 01:09:37,707 --> 01:09:40,143 >> For me-- I don't know for you-- 1128 01:09:40,244 --> 01:09:42,646 everything is a lot more organic and alive. 1129 01:09:42,746 --> 01:09:43,647 >>Yeah, I agree. 1130 01:09:43,746 --> 01:09:44,914 I agree. 1131 01:09:45,014 --> 01:09:49,553 Because I think the harsh headlamps and flashlights, 1132 01:09:49,653 --> 01:09:51,621 they sort of flatten everything. 1133 01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:54,023 You don't see the texture to it. 1134 01:09:54,122 --> 01:09:55,492 It washes things out. 1135 01:09:55,592 --> 01:10:02,832 >>And imagine now a ceremony here and a musical performance. 1136 01:10:02,932 --> 01:10:05,635 >>Oh, yeah. 1137 01:10:05,735 --> 01:10:07,704 With things like pine trees and whatnot. 1138 01:10:07,804 --> 01:10:09,873 If you brought in the pine branches, 1139 01:10:09,973 --> 01:10:12,909 you know how if you light them, they just all of a sudden, 1140 01:10:13,009 --> 01:10:16,012 for a short period of time, you have-- it's like fireworks. 1141 01:10:16,112 --> 01:10:17,013 >>Exactly. 1142 01:10:17,112 --> 01:10:18,282 >>And I could see them doing things 1143 01:10:18,382 --> 01:10:22,050 like that for dramatic effect and at certain times. 1144 01:10:22,151 --> 01:10:23,420 You know, during a ceremony. 1145 01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:26,590 I bet a lot of the hearths and a lot of the fire 1146 01:10:26,690 --> 01:10:30,059 remains that are found had nothing to do with warmth. 1147 01:10:30,159 --> 01:10:31,695 It was probably ritualistic. 1148 01:10:31,795 --> 01:10:34,598 I mean, they were used to the climate. 1149 01:10:34,698 --> 01:10:35,398 >>Exactly. 1150 01:10:35,499 --> 01:10:36,532 And they would have fur. 1151 01:10:36,633 --> 01:10:38,134 >>And they would have fur and whatnot. 1152 01:10:38,234 --> 01:10:41,571 And in fact, if anything, I could say during these rituals, 1153 01:10:41,671 --> 01:10:46,075 they might have been overheated because they're not-- you know, 1154 01:10:46,175 --> 01:10:48,478 fires get really hot like that. 1155 01:10:48,577 --> 01:10:55,684 And if you're used to the natural climate, and relatively 1156 01:10:55,785 --> 01:11:00,424 cold conditions, and that's what is normal for you, 1157 01:11:00,523 --> 01:11:02,791 you wouldn't want to be building these huge fires 1158 01:11:02,892 --> 01:11:04,827 just to get really hot, then to go back out 1159 01:11:04,928 --> 01:11:05,962 and get really cold. 1160 01:11:06,062 --> 01:11:07,096 You 1161 01:11:07,196 --> 01:11:09,299 >>Build a huge fire, and then also wear the fur, 1162 01:11:09,398 --> 01:11:13,136 and you would be boiling up. 1163 01:11:13,236 --> 01:11:18,141 That's the traditional image you see everywhere of Neanderthals. 1164 01:11:18,241 --> 01:11:19,843 >>Huddling around the fire. 1165 01:11:19,943 --> 01:11:22,946 >>All around the fire, wearing furs. 1166 01:11:23,046 --> 01:11:23,746 >>Yeah. 1167 01:11:23,847 --> 01:11:24,714 Yeah. 1168 01:11:24,814 --> 01:11:26,516 That's probably not the case at all. 1169 01:11:26,616 --> 01:11:31,287 Christmas traditions, which of course are way pre-Christian, 1170 01:11:31,388 --> 01:11:36,192 bringing in a tree, bringing in-- what 1171 01:11:36,291 --> 01:11:39,929 do you call it-- wreaths and vines. 1172 01:11:40,029 --> 01:11:41,064 >>Yes. 1173 01:11:41,164 --> 01:11:45,268 >>And does that go back 100,000 years or more? 1174 01:11:45,369 --> 01:11:49,038 >>This was covered with snow and ice. 1175 01:11:49,138 --> 01:11:54,478 The caves that we are going to see in a bit 1176 01:11:54,577 --> 01:11:58,415 were probably covered by glaciers. 1177 01:11:58,514 --> 01:12:00,183 >>Or on the edge of a glacier somehow. 1178 01:12:03,753 --> 01:12:06,523 This is the Bear Cave. 1179 01:12:06,623 --> 01:12:09,993 Reminds me of a pyramid in the sense of the height. 1180 01:12:10,093 --> 01:12:14,263 Oh, you know, I bet the floor may have been lower back then. 1181 01:12:14,364 --> 01:12:15,064 >>Exactly. 1182 01:12:15,164 --> 01:12:17,601 With all these deposits. 1183 01:12:17,701 --> 01:12:18,835 >>Yeah, deposits inside here. 1184 01:12:22,839 --> 01:12:23,940 Oh, yeah. 1185 01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:26,376 I can see, it's-- getting more and more beautiful. 1186 01:12:29,245 --> 01:12:30,647 Oh, wow. 1187 01:12:30,746 --> 01:12:32,549 It's like a cathedral. 1188 01:12:32,648 --> 01:12:35,952 You don't get-- at least I don't get this feel from a quote, 1189 01:12:36,052 --> 01:12:37,654 "real church," unquote. 1190 01:12:37,754 --> 01:12:39,255 Modern church. 1191 01:12:39,355 --> 01:12:41,023 >>So it makes so much sense that this 1192 01:12:41,124 --> 01:12:45,895 would be, like you said before, a ritual cave. 1193 01:12:45,995 --> 01:12:47,362 >>I'm thinking if they were bringing 1194 01:12:47,464 --> 01:12:50,199 crystals in or special stones, things probably 1195 01:12:50,299 --> 01:12:51,300 take them out again. 1196 01:12:51,401 --> 01:12:52,101 >>Yeah. 1197 01:12:52,201 --> 01:12:53,036 >>Use them. 1198 01:12:53,136 --> 01:12:54,804 Or I'm even thinking if they were 1199 01:12:54,904 --> 01:12:56,573 using some kind of crystals or whatnot, 1200 01:12:56,673 --> 01:13:00,209 they might bring them in, sort of sanctify 1201 01:13:00,309 --> 01:13:01,645 them, if I could put it that way. 1202 01:13:01,745 --> 01:13:03,447 And then they'd want to take them with them. 1203 01:13:03,547 --> 01:13:05,849 So it's not like we expect-- it's not 1204 01:13:05,949 --> 01:13:09,585 like we would expect them to leave their valuables just 1205 01:13:09,686 --> 01:13:11,588 laying about for us to find later. 1206 01:13:11,688 --> 01:13:12,822 Yeah. 1207 01:13:12,922 --> 01:13:14,458 >>Stunning. 1208 01:13:14,558 --> 01:13:17,160 >>Those are really stunning. 1209 01:13:17,260 --> 01:13:18,193 Yeah. 1210 01:13:18,294 --> 01:13:19,496 >>What a beautiful environment. 1211 01:13:19,596 --> 01:13:20,864 >>Yeah. 1212 01:13:20,964 --> 01:13:24,400 Oh, this is really interesting how it works. 1213 01:13:24,501 --> 01:13:26,670 >>A few candles and a few crystals, 1214 01:13:26,770 --> 01:13:31,307 and suddenly, you have an extraordinary, unexpected 1215 01:13:31,407 --> 01:13:38,147 experience away from modern life and time. 1216 01:13:38,246 --> 01:13:40,984 What do think about this setting with all the-- 1217 01:13:41,084 --> 01:13:42,952 with about 15 candles? 1218 01:13:43,052 --> 01:13:46,089 >>Yeah, it's beautiful. 1219 01:13:46,189 --> 01:13:52,161 This is the first church or sanctuary or cathedral. 1220 01:13:52,261 --> 01:13:53,763 Whatever you want to call it. 1221 01:13:53,862 --> 01:13:54,731 >>Very much, yeah. 1222 01:13:54,831 --> 01:13:58,868 It has the feel of a cathedral. 1223 01:13:58,968 --> 01:14:00,068 >>Yeah. 1224 01:14:00,169 --> 01:14:04,841 I mean, I think the modern, artificial churches 1225 01:14:04,941 --> 01:14:09,245 and cathedrals, they're trying to imitate this. 1226 01:14:09,344 --> 01:14:10,780 Not vice versa. 1227 01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:11,880 >>Yes. 1228 01:14:11,981 --> 01:14:16,184 It makes me really feel religion, but not-- 1229 01:14:16,285 --> 01:14:17,153 >>Well, spirituality. 1230 01:14:17,253 --> 01:14:19,755 >>In a very deep and personal sense. 1231 01:14:19,856 --> 01:14:20,590 >>Yeah. 1232 01:14:20,690 --> 01:14:21,389 Yeah. 1233 01:14:21,491 --> 01:14:22,659 Yeah. 1234 01:14:22,759 --> 01:14:27,764 Not like an organized religion, but a real deep feeling 1235 01:14:27,864 --> 01:14:32,335 of sanctity and spirituality, I would say. 1236 01:14:32,434 --> 01:14:37,641 >>You go into a cathedral in many cases, one that's 1237 01:14:37,741 --> 01:14:40,009 not illuminated by modern lighting, 1238 01:14:40,109 --> 01:14:42,679 but it's illuminated the more traditional way 1239 01:14:42,779 --> 01:14:46,182 with very subdued lighting, essentially, in my mind, 1240 01:14:46,282 --> 01:14:48,451 you're going to an artificial cave. 1241 01:14:48,552 --> 01:14:52,355 I think that many of the churches and cathedrals we 1242 01:14:52,455 --> 01:14:56,192 see now from medieval or Renaissance 1243 01:14:56,291 --> 01:14:58,294 times, for instance, are actually 1244 01:14:58,394 --> 01:15:03,166 a legacy, a legacy of the cave, the cave being 1245 01:15:03,266 --> 01:15:04,934 used as a ritualistic site. 1246 01:15:05,034 --> 01:15:07,904 Some of these legacies may go back tens of thousands 1247 01:15:08,004 --> 01:15:09,138 of years. 1248 01:15:09,237 --> 01:15:11,474 I suspect, for a Neanderthal culture, 1249 01:15:11,575 --> 01:15:15,712 for Neanderthal civilization, maybe the single most important 1250 01:15:15,812 --> 01:15:19,616 thing, the most central point was their religion, what 1251 01:15:19,716 --> 01:15:21,250 we would now call religion. 1252 01:15:21,350 --> 01:15:23,553 I'm not sure they would have used that term, because it 1253 01:15:23,653 --> 01:15:26,755 may have been so all-encompassing for them 1254 01:15:26,856 --> 01:15:30,159 that it was well beyond what we think of religion now 1255 01:15:30,259 --> 01:15:32,361 in a modern, Western sense. 1256 01:15:32,460 --> 01:15:38,668 But the religiosity, the mental world that they developed. 1257 01:15:38,768 --> 01:15:42,505 And we'll call it a religious/magical sense. 1258 01:15:42,606 --> 01:15:44,974 And they may have been incredibly sophisticated, 1259 01:15:45,074 --> 01:15:46,175 incredibly developed. 1260 01:15:46,275 --> 01:15:51,447 I think possibly well beyond where we are today. 1261 01:15:51,547 --> 01:15:54,450 The Cro-Magnons, I would speculate, 1262 01:15:54,550 --> 01:15:56,620 tried to put it into simplistic terms. 1263 01:15:56,719 --> 01:15:59,589 Well, what's going on with these other people, 1264 01:15:59,689 --> 01:16:02,291 these Neanderthals? 1265 01:16:02,391 --> 01:16:03,392 Who are they? 1266 01:16:03,492 --> 01:16:05,460 We can't really understand what's going on, 1267 01:16:05,561 --> 01:16:08,665 so they try to categorize it in simple terms. 1268 01:16:08,764 --> 01:16:10,700 Well, sometimes it's black, sometimes it's white, 1269 01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:12,201 sometimes they're doing good things, 1270 01:16:12,300 --> 01:16:14,804 sometimes they're doing bad things. 1271 01:16:14,904 --> 01:16:21,344 And our modern concept of things like a good god, a bad devil, 1272 01:16:21,443 --> 01:16:26,514 angels versus Satan may have come 1273 01:16:26,616 --> 01:16:31,554 from a simplistic Cro-Magnon understanding 1274 01:16:31,655 --> 01:16:37,193 of much more subtle, much more nuanced Neanderthal rituals 1275 01:16:37,293 --> 01:16:38,527 and religion. 1276 01:16:38,628 --> 01:16:41,965 I suspect for Neanderthals, it wasn't a simple category 1277 01:16:42,065 --> 01:16:45,434 of good on one side and bad on the other side, 1278 01:16:45,534 --> 01:16:50,273 or what we would call God and devil. 1279 01:16:50,373 --> 01:16:52,776 It may have been much more nuanced. 1280 01:16:52,876 --> 01:16:57,446 It may have seemed you need both aspects. 1281 01:16:57,546 --> 01:17:01,284 I even think of ancient religions in a classical sense. 1282 01:17:01,384 --> 01:17:03,585 For instance, ancient Egyptians. 1283 01:17:03,687 --> 01:17:06,355 They did not make this same distinction 1284 01:17:06,455 --> 01:17:10,259 between good and bad as modern society often does. 1285 01:17:10,359 --> 01:17:12,295 They realized that for the working 1286 01:17:12,395 --> 01:17:18,634 of the cosmos, the universe, in a general sense as they saw it, 1287 01:17:18,735 --> 01:17:20,568 there had to be both good and bad. 1288 01:17:20,670 --> 01:17:22,071 You had to have both sides, or what 1289 01:17:22,171 --> 01:17:23,272 we would call good and bad. 1290 01:17:23,371 --> 01:17:27,811 They were just two ends of a continuous spectrum. 1291 01:17:27,911 --> 01:17:32,248 And I suspect that Neanderthals saw a lot of gray area also. 1292 01:17:40,189 --> 01:17:42,491 >>I would say, well, we've got to accept that we are, 1293 01:17:42,591 --> 01:17:46,295 you know, Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon in one. 1294 01:17:46,395 --> 01:17:48,264 It's not easy to do. 1295 01:17:48,364 --> 01:17:52,535 >>What we really have to do is to take our dual aspects, 1296 01:17:52,635 --> 01:17:55,538 the Cro-Magnon aspects and Neanderthal aspects, 1297 01:17:55,638 --> 01:17:59,675 combine them so that either overpowers the other, 1298 01:17:59,776 --> 01:18:02,846 hit a balance between them. 1299 01:18:02,946 --> 01:18:05,414 And if we can do that successfully, 1300 01:18:05,514 --> 01:18:08,617 we may, in fact, create something 1301 01:18:08,718 --> 01:18:10,153 that rises above either. 1302 01:18:36,279 --> 01:18:41,785 >>It could have been some sort of ritual or pilgrimage 1303 01:18:41,885 --> 01:18:43,787 that would come here. 1304 01:18:43,887 --> 01:18:44,620 >>Right. 1305 01:18:44,719 --> 01:18:45,321 Right. 1306 01:18:45,421 --> 01:18:46,155 >>Sort of a returning. 1307 01:18:46,255 --> 01:18:46,923 >>Yeah. 1308 01:18:47,023 --> 01:18:47,757 Yeah. 1309 01:18:47,857 --> 01:18:48,758 >>Returning to the beginning. 1310 01:18:48,858 --> 01:18:49,558 >>Yeah. 1311 01:18:49,657 --> 01:18:50,960 Maybe certain times of year. 1312 01:18:51,059 --> 01:18:55,098 Or there may even be times that even bigger groups got together 1313 01:18:55,198 --> 01:18:56,699 on a more lengthy cycle. 1314 01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:57,500 >>Cyclic. 1315 01:18:57,600 --> 01:18:58,067 >>Yeah. 1316 01:18:58,166 --> 01:18:59,335 Cyclical maybe. 1317 01:18:59,434 --> 01:19:02,171 You know, based on a lunar cycle of the-- what is it? 1318 01:19:02,271 --> 01:19:04,540 The 19-year return, or something like that, 1319 01:19:04,639 --> 01:19:07,043 which was essentially be a generational thing. 1320 01:19:07,143 --> 01:19:12,548 And you might have a huge sort of congregation of-- 1321 01:19:12,648 --> 01:19:13,349 >>Hundreds or-- 1322 01:19:13,449 --> 01:19:14,183 >>If not more. 1323 01:19:14,282 --> 01:19:15,584 >>Possibly thousands of people. 1324 01:19:15,684 --> 01:19:16,019 >>Yeah. 1325 01:19:16,119 --> 01:19:16,652 Yeah. 1326 01:19:16,752 --> 01:19:17,787 Yeah. 1327 01:19:17,887 --> 01:19:19,856 Which would have been-- and you can visualize. 1328 01:19:19,956 --> 01:19:23,893 It would have been really amazing. 1329 01:19:23,993 --> 01:19:26,295 >>It's something that makes it very intimate and personal. 1330 01:19:26,395 --> 01:19:27,096 >>Yeah. 1331 01:19:27,196 --> 01:19:28,431 Yeah. 1332 01:19:28,531 --> 01:19:31,700 >>At the same time, it's also very public and communal, 1333 01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:34,003 but it's also very private. 1334 01:19:34,103 --> 01:19:35,138 >>Yeah. 1335 01:19:35,237 --> 01:19:39,041 But it's reminding me of being in the caves. 1336 01:19:39,142 --> 01:19:43,980 So you get in almost that intimacy here, 1337 01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:49,252 but then you can go out and it's sort of ties them together. 1338 01:19:51,987 --> 01:19:54,389 >>It's almost as though-- yeah, like I said, the shock. 1339 01:19:54,490 --> 01:19:57,559 They were bringing out whatever. 1340 01:19:57,660 --> 01:19:58,361 >>Exactly. 1341 01:19:58,460 --> 01:19:59,862 >>And you're exposing it. 1342 01:19:59,963 --> 01:20:00,897 >>Exactly. 1343 01:20:00,996 --> 01:20:02,264 And that's what's happening here. 1344 01:20:02,365 --> 01:20:05,768 >>To the people in the community. 1345 01:20:05,869 --> 01:20:07,036 and to the nature. 1346 01:20:07,136 --> 01:20:08,037 >>Exactly. 1347 01:20:08,137 --> 01:20:10,539 It really does look like that. 1348 01:20:10,639 --> 01:20:15,044 And because our civilization, it's based on such triviality. 1349 01:20:15,144 --> 01:20:17,947 >>It seems today we are missing something vital 1350 01:20:18,047 --> 01:20:20,449 to our human well-being. 1351 01:20:20,549 --> 01:20:23,552 We are missing that deep connection with nature 1352 01:20:23,652 --> 01:20:26,422 the Neanderthals had so well developed. 1353 01:20:26,522 --> 01:20:29,092 How would rediscovering Neanderthal values 1354 01:20:29,192 --> 01:20:31,928 impact our civilization today? 1355 01:20:32,028 --> 01:20:37,433 What will this new awareness bring to our lives? 1356 01:20:37,532 --> 01:20:41,971 They lived around the mountains and carved into them. 1357 01:20:42,071 --> 01:20:44,974 They appreciated the natural beauty 1358 01:20:45,074 --> 01:20:47,843 and had high mental abilities. 1359 01:20:47,943 --> 01:20:51,447 Ruzo called them the guardians of an ancient wisdom. 1360 01:20:51,547 --> 01:20:55,684 It was a magical work, done by a culture whose science 1361 01:20:55,784 --> 01:21:00,589 and understanding of the world was different from the present. 1362 01:21:00,689 --> 01:21:04,360 >>I think modern society or people in modern society 1363 01:21:04,460 --> 01:21:07,996 are afraid to deal with a lot of things. 1364 01:21:08,097 --> 01:21:11,334 I think they're almost a terrible stereotype 1365 01:21:11,434 --> 01:21:14,803 or generalization, but they're afraid to deal with anything 1366 01:21:14,904 --> 01:21:16,772 that's really meaningful. 1367 01:21:16,871 --> 01:21:20,675 It's not a given that a culture has to be materialistic. 1368 01:21:20,776 --> 01:21:23,913 >>Archaeologist Ralph Solecki ended his book 1369 01:21:24,013 --> 01:21:28,050 "Shanidar: The First Flower People" 1370 01:21:28,151 --> 01:21:32,321 saying, "in the face of the growing evidence, 1371 01:21:32,421 --> 01:21:35,858 we will be forced to accept Neanderthal 1372 01:21:35,959 --> 01:21:39,562 as our real human ancestor." 1373 01:21:39,662 --> 01:21:43,599 >>And so you have this dichotomy between religion and intuition 1374 01:21:43,699 --> 01:21:48,938 with Neanderthals, reason and logic with Cro-Magnons. 1375 01:21:49,038 --> 01:21:55,210 And Stan Gooch says that it was sort of monumental 1376 01:21:55,311 --> 01:21:58,314 when the two met. 1377 01:21:58,414 --> 01:22:02,851 Also, you had two different world views coming together. 1378 01:22:02,952 --> 01:22:05,654 Neither really understood the other. 1379 01:22:05,754 --> 01:22:07,823 So Neanderthals didn't really understand 1380 01:22:07,923 --> 01:22:11,294 these new Cro-Magnons that were invading their territory. 1381 01:22:11,394 --> 01:22:13,096 The Cro-Magnons didn't really understand 1382 01:22:13,196 --> 01:22:16,966 what the Neanderthals were doing with all these weird rituals 1383 01:22:17,066 --> 01:22:20,769 and ceremonies and dancing and singing. 1384 01:22:20,869 --> 01:22:22,005 That was foreign to them. 1385 01:22:22,105 --> 01:22:25,041 They tried to figure it out, what they called magic. 1386 01:22:25,141 --> 01:22:26,409 >>Exactly. 1387 01:22:26,509 --> 01:22:30,913 And they probably-- I mean, how would you see these rituals? 1388 01:22:31,014 --> 01:22:32,715 They would have to spy probably at night. 1389 01:22:32,815 --> 01:22:33,516 >>Night. 1390 01:22:33,616 --> 01:22:34,650 Yeah. 1391 01:22:34,750 --> 01:22:37,186 Try to figure out what's going on. 1392 01:22:37,286 --> 01:22:38,287 >>From a distance. 1393 01:22:38,387 --> 01:22:39,788 >>It must have been very mysterious, very 1394 01:22:39,888 --> 01:22:44,227 scary to the Cro-Magnons to see these people doing 1395 01:22:44,327 --> 01:22:45,494 all these things. 1396 01:22:45,594 --> 01:22:48,130 You know, when you don't understand something, 1397 01:22:48,231 --> 01:22:50,666 you fear it in many cases. 1398 01:22:50,766 --> 01:22:53,169 Much of our culture-- 1399 01:22:53,269 --> 01:22:53,969 >>And our beliefs-- 1400 01:22:54,070 --> 01:22:55,004 >>--and our beliefs-- 1401 01:22:55,103 --> 01:22:56,539 >>Our religious practices-- 1402 01:22:56,639 --> 01:22:58,273 >>--that's inheritance from Neanderthals. 1403 01:22:58,374 --> 01:23:01,910 So we, in a cultural sense, carry 1404 01:23:02,011 --> 01:23:04,180 on many Neanderthal traditions. 1405 01:23:09,718 --> 01:23:14,223 >>Erik Trinkaus, a leading Neanderthal expert, 1406 01:23:14,323 --> 01:23:17,760 is convinced that a cult of immortality 1407 01:23:17,860 --> 01:23:21,996 was invented by the Neanderthals. 1408 01:23:22,098 --> 01:23:26,669 He thinks the Neanderthals were the first ones to practice 1409 01:23:26,769 --> 01:23:32,941 burials, and that Homo Sapien, Cro-Magnon, learned how to bury 1410 01:23:33,041 --> 01:23:36,879 the dead from the Neanderthals. 1411 01:23:36,978 --> 01:23:42,451 He observed how they buried and how they did their practices, 1412 01:23:42,550 --> 01:23:44,520 and so he copied them. 1413 01:23:51,427 --> 01:23:55,331 Daniel Ruzo had said that the Carpathian Mountains were 1414 01:23:55,431 --> 01:24:00,335 at the center of the oldest European civilization known 1415 01:24:00,436 --> 01:24:01,537 today. 1416 01:24:01,637 --> 01:24:05,841 The first age was the age of truth and knowledge. 1417 01:24:05,941 --> 01:24:08,244 The people lived around the sacred mountains 1418 01:24:08,344 --> 01:24:11,980 of pyramidal summits, and carved into them 1419 01:24:12,081 --> 01:24:15,518 for us and for the future generations, 1420 01:24:15,618 --> 01:24:17,085 signaling the caves. 1421 01:24:17,186 --> 01:24:21,190 "The cave represents the other world, but also 1422 01:24:21,290 --> 01:24:22,691 the entire universe. 1423 01:24:22,791 --> 01:24:25,494 It is a place that constitutes a world-- 1424 01:24:25,594 --> 01:24:26,728 >>--in itself. 1425 01:24:26,829 --> 01:24:30,633 The ritual cave sometimes imitates the night sky. 1426 01:24:30,733 --> 01:24:37,072 In other words, it is an mago mandi, a universe in miniature. 1427 01:24:37,173 --> 01:24:40,109 Living in a cave does not necessarily 1428 01:24:40,209 --> 01:24:42,745 imply going down among the shades. 1429 01:24:42,844 --> 01:24:48,251 It can as well imply living in a different world, a world that 1430 01:24:48,351 --> 01:24:52,655 is vaster and more complex because it incorporates 1431 01:24:52,755 --> 01:24:58,193 various modes of existence, and hence is full of riches 1432 01:24:58,294 --> 01:25:00,862 and countless virtualities." 1433 01:25:00,963 --> 01:25:05,701 >>"Here in the mountains of Romania lies the blood of men, 1434 01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:09,638 the subterraneous tunnels where humanity saved itself 1435 01:25:09,737 --> 01:25:11,407 during the flood. 1436 01:25:11,507 --> 01:25:13,976 These are the caverns of the treasure referred 1437 01:25:14,076 --> 01:25:18,281 to in so many world legends." 1438 01:25:18,380 --> 01:25:21,984 >>The Egyptian Sphinx is part of a larger complex, 1439 01:25:22,084 --> 01:25:25,154 just like the Carpathian Sphinx is part of a larger complex. 1440 01:25:25,254 --> 01:25:27,255 So in both cases, I believe we're 1441 01:25:27,356 --> 01:25:33,061 talking sacred ceremonial sites that held incredible importance 1442 01:25:33,162 --> 01:25:37,032 to their respective people, to their respective populations. 1443 01:25:37,132 --> 01:25:39,368 >>"It is in these sacred mountains 1444 01:25:39,468 --> 01:25:43,239 where people found their salvation after the flood, 1445 01:25:43,339 --> 01:25:45,208 and where they will be saved when 1446 01:25:45,308 --> 01:25:47,943 the next catastrophe occurs. 1447 01:25:48,043 --> 01:25:52,248 It is vital today to find these sacred mountains 1448 01:25:52,348 --> 01:25:54,282 and sacred caves." 1449 01:25:54,383 --> 01:25:55,784 >>They and other ancient-- you know, 1450 01:25:55,884 --> 01:25:59,087 certain other ancient peoples, but we'll focus on Neanderthals 1451 01:25:59,188 --> 01:26:05,827 for now-- were much more sophisticated in ways 1452 01:26:05,928 --> 01:26:10,266 that we don't even have a good language to describe. 1453 01:26:10,366 --> 01:26:13,669 I mean, you have traditions around the world. 1454 01:26:13,769 --> 01:26:17,573 The golden age, which I think is not 1455 01:26:17,673 --> 01:26:20,543 referred to a materialist golden age. 1456 01:26:49,438 --> 01:26:54,009 Our civilization has progressed one way, materialistically. 1457 01:26:54,109 --> 01:26:56,812 And that type of sophistication, we've plummeted. 1458 01:26:59,448 --> 01:27:03,486 To judge a culture like the Neanderthals 1459 01:27:03,585 --> 01:27:09,825 by the scanty remains, physical remains, it's sort of insane. 1460 01:27:13,862 --> 01:27:16,898 In fact, Neanderthals, with their traditions, 1461 01:27:16,999 --> 01:27:21,637 with their concepts, they were the pioneers. 1462 01:27:21,737 --> 01:27:26,342 Looking at the universe with its cosmic rhythms, untold beauty, 1463 01:27:26,442 --> 01:27:29,478 and great dangers, they understood themselves 1464 01:27:29,577 --> 01:27:33,115 as part of something bigger than they themselves were. 1465 01:27:33,215 --> 01:27:37,052 They knew their place in the order of things. 1466 01:27:37,152 --> 01:27:40,121 We need to recover that sense of the world. 1467 01:27:40,222 --> 01:27:42,358 >>In waking up to the new paradigm, 1468 01:27:42,458 --> 01:27:46,061 we recover something long lost, something 1469 01:27:46,161 --> 01:27:50,366 very old in ourselves. 1470 01:27:50,466 --> 01:27:54,603 "When you climb a mountain, you go with humility and devotion, 1471 01:27:54,702 --> 01:27:59,141 as in a cathedral, where you enter not to conquer a creed, 1472 01:27:59,241 --> 01:28:02,911 but to rediscover yourself, to rediscover something 1473 01:28:03,011 --> 01:28:06,849 inside yourself, hidden for so long, 1474 01:28:06,949 --> 01:28:08,684 that awaits to be awakened. 1475 01:28:11,353 --> 01:28:15,290 >>When you climb a mountain, you go with humility and devotion 1476 01:28:15,391 --> 01:28:19,995 as in a cathedral, where you enter not to conquer a creed, 1477 01:28:20,094 --> 01:28:23,866 but to rediscover yourself, to rediscover something 1478 01:28:23,966 --> 01:28:27,202 inside yourself, hidden for so long that 1479 01:28:27,302 --> 01:28:29,905 awaits to be awakened." 1480 01:28:30,005 --> 01:28:33,008 >>Here's a setting where effectively 1481 01:28:33,108 --> 01:28:35,878 in the mythology and the religious beliefs, 1482 01:28:35,978 --> 01:28:37,646 humans may have originated. 1483 01:28:37,746 --> 01:28:40,115 And maybe this was the most important, 1484 01:28:40,215 --> 01:28:44,587 the most sacred, the most central location 1485 01:28:44,687 --> 01:28:47,723 for Neanderthal populations as a whole. 1486 01:28:50,325 --> 01:28:54,797 It's as if you're approaching an incredible cathedral, 1487 01:28:54,897 --> 01:28:56,999 and incredibly holy spot. 1488 01:28:57,099 --> 01:29:02,538 And as you approach it, you come to various points 1489 01:29:02,638 --> 01:29:09,210 where you prepare yourself for the ultimate adventure, 1490 01:29:09,311 --> 01:29:12,380 the ultimate religious experience at the highest 1491 01:29:12,481 --> 01:29:14,349 peaks. 1492 01:29:14,450 --> 01:29:19,822 So this entire complex, which in many ways 1493 01:29:19,922 --> 01:29:23,692 is symbolized by the Carpathian Sphinx, 1494 01:29:23,791 --> 01:29:30,165 is a huge, religious, ceremonial, ritualistic complex 1495 01:29:30,264 --> 01:29:33,135 that must have been incredibly important 1496 01:29:33,235 --> 01:29:38,541 to the Neanderthal people for generations and generations, 1497 01:29:38,641 --> 01:29:41,710 probably thousands and thousands of generations 1498 01:29:41,809 --> 01:29:45,514 over tens of thousands of years. 1499 01:29:45,614 --> 01:29:47,850 Really important to me to be able to come 1500 01:29:47,950 --> 01:29:50,753 here and experience firsthand the caves, 1501 01:29:50,853 --> 01:29:54,222 to experience firsthand the plateau, 1502 01:29:54,322 --> 01:29:57,593 to experience firsthand the Carpathian Sphinx. 1503 01:29:57,693 --> 01:30:00,295 To me, in fact, in some ways, we can 1504 01:30:00,395 --> 01:30:02,764 think of the Carpathian Sphinx as being 1505 01:30:02,865 --> 01:30:06,201 a symbol for a lost world. 1506 01:30:06,300 --> 01:30:10,973 Literally a lost people, a lost culture. 1507 01:30:11,073 --> 01:30:13,442 The mountain is a lost cathedral, 1508 01:30:13,541 --> 01:30:17,112 and the Carpathian Sphinx is the lost altar. 120225

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