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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:07,678 It began when an unknown man from Denmark approached me 2 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:09,080 with a proposition. 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:14,080 This is him in his tiny apartment in the outskirts of Copenhagen. 4 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:17,438 If this was a piece of fiction, 5 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:19,598 no-one would believe that he would be meeting 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:21,918 with North Korean arms dealers in Africa... 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,038 You can walk in here no problem. 8 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:26,438 ..or going to the North Korean embassy in Sweden 9 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,638 to pick up secret documents. 10 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,918 If something happened, embassy does know nothing about this. 11 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,078 Exactly. 12 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:35,838 But this is no fiction. 13 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,038 Everything you are about to see is real, 14 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:40,280 and has been going on for more than ten years. 15 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:48,198 This is him aged 14, somewhere in Denmark. 16 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,398 He is celebrating his birthday. 17 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,318 Among the guests are children who grew up 18 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,240 in the communist dictatorship East Germany. 19 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,518 Many years later, as a grown man, he will claim that 20 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,358 befriending these kids and learning about the horrors 21 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:08,598 of a totalitarian regime made him decide to infiltrate and expose 22 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:10,960 the most brutal dictatorship of all... 23 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:17,160 ..North Korea. 24 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:27,118 It's a nice explanation, but exactly why he chose to place himself 25 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,078 in mortal danger is also beside the point. 26 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,240 What only matters here is that he is a mole. 27 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:47,598 In the end, I had to hire an expert to help me sort it out. 28 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:51,198 Annie Machon is a contentious figure in the intelligence world, 29 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,158 but this does not concern me. 30 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:57,318 I am only interested in her skills in debriefing agents. 31 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:02,798 So, Annie, the mole arrived last night? 32 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:06,000 Mm-hm. And soon he's ready for you? 33 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:09,400 Do you have concerns? 34 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:17,640 Maybe...we should discuss that after you have met the mole. 35 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:27,318 Hi, Ulrich. I'm Annie. 36 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,078 Hi, Annie. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you, too. Thank you. 37 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,558 I used to work for the British Security Service, 38 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:36,518 otherwise known as MI5, and part of my job as an intelligence officer 39 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,318 was to debrief agents. 40 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,238 So the film team has asked me in to debrief you 41 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,638 about your life over the last ten years. 42 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:44,758 Yes. 43 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:48,118 Can you tell me a little bit more about him? His background? 44 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:52,918 Erm, you know, if he would rob a bank, 45 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,838 you would not be able to describe him. 46 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:57,760 Mm-hm. Erm... 47 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:03,358 He blends in. He blends in. Perfect. 48 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,558 So, how did you get interested in North Korea? 49 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:08,320 Oh, it's a long story. 50 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,958 It is a long story, so I will speed it up. 51 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,918 Back in 2006, as a journalist from Denmark, I went to North Korea 52 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:20,558 and shot a documentary called The Red Chapel. 53 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,318 The regime in Pyongyang really hated my film, 54 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:27,398 and because of that, I can never travel back to North Korea. 55 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,718 Seen from a western point of view, the film has its moments, 56 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,438 but it does not offer up the smoking gun, 57 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,838 the irrefutable proof that North Korea is an evil 58 00:04:36,840 --> 00:04:38,800 and criminal enterprise. 59 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,238 Ever since, I have been on a quest to prove these points, 60 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,640 yet being forever banned from the Chamber of Secrets. 61 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:53,078 But back in Denmark, the man who I prefer to call the mole saw my film, 62 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:55,998 and somehow it gave him the idea that he could travel 63 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,120 to North Korea in my place. 64 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:15,158 Approximately ten years ago, out of nowhere, he wrote and asked 65 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:19,278 if I would be interested in doing a film about him 66 00:05:19,280 --> 00:05:24,160 infiltrating the Danish North Korean Friendship Association. 67 00:05:28,840 --> 00:05:30,398 So... I mean, what happened? 68 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:34,078 Can you talk me through exactly the first steps you took in this, 69 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,960 and the sort of thought process you were going through? 70 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:36,878 I told him it could be of interest if it would evolve to something 71 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,038 of international importance, 72 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:43,238 because the Danish North Korean Friendship Association in itself 73 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:47,440 is a fairly depressing group of people. Mm-hm. 74 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,878 He said, "Please keep me posted if it's interesting," 75 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:54,280 and I was like, "OK." 76 00:06:55,920 --> 00:07:00,518 I also told him, "I will never be able to pay you any money," 77 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,718 so that is not of importance for him, 78 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:05,360 and then he just kept on going. 79 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,678 The mole went down the rabbit hole and discovered a bizarre world 80 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:15,158 of Danish senior citizens who are true friends of North Korea. 81 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:17,160 MAN SPEAKS DANISH 82 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,478 Slowly but surely, the mole advanced in the hierarchy 83 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,478 and became a member of the board, 84 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,118 working under chairman Anders Kristensen, 85 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:27,600 a die-hard communist. 86 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,158 Here you have him back in his heyday, meeting with 87 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,758 the founder of North Korea, Eternal President Kim Il-sung, 88 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,480 grandfather of the current ruler, Kim Jong-un. 89 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,718 All the time, the mole was filming, the excuse being that he was 90 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:54,000 making movies for YouTube about his work as a board member. 91 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:19,398 So, how did things progress for you once you were a member, 92 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:20,440 and on the board? 93 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,038 The mole went to North Korea, 94 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,520 and the North Koreans took a liking to him. 95 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:23,518 His main contact person in North Korea was a man named Kang, 96 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,960 who works for the Ministry of Cultural Affairs. 97 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:39,160 Kang is a key person in this tale of deceit and intrigue. 98 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:21,998 Everywhere he went in North Korea, the mole was filming. 99 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,798 Of course, he also brought his camera when he was awarded a medal, 100 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:27,960 recognising his work for the regime. 101 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,280 OK, congratulations. Thank you. 102 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,040 So when did things really start to move? 103 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,800 Could you confirm that this is a photograph of him? 104 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,438 Amongst the friends of the regime in Pyongyang, 105 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,520 Alejandro Cao de Benos is the biggest friend. 106 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:07,878 Compared to a small group 107 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,118 such as the Danish North Korean Friendship Association, 108 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:15,038 the Korean Friendship Association is the international lodge 109 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:18,440 for people who consider North Korea to be heaven on Earth. 110 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:23,918 Alejandro Cao de Benos is the founder 111 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,038 of the Korean Friendship Association 112 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:30,360 and is known around the world as the gatekeeper of North Korea. 113 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:37,478 As such, Alejandro Cao de Benos was my tour guide and access ticket 114 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,958 when I travelled to North Korea back in 2006. 115 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,718 Here, we are posing for a North Korean newspaper. 116 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:48,638 Spending time with him, I found it hard to understand why Alejandro, 117 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,198 who was born in Spain and lives in Spain, 118 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,760 has chosen a life as a cheerleader for North Korea. 119 00:11:57,560 --> 00:12:00,838 According to the UN, North Korea starves, abuses 120 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:04,078 and kills its own citizens on a daily basis, 121 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:08,120 but Alejandro Cao de Benos considers all that to be fake news. 122 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:22,798 I also discovered that his preferred foods are French pastry and candies, 123 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:27,318 which is, I guess, the perfect diet for a supervillain. 124 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,200 Do you think Alejandro's dangerous? 125 00:12:43,680 --> 00:12:46,120 APPLAUSE 126 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,398 You're a Spanish aristocrat 127 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,840 representing the North Korean regime. What's in it for you? 128 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,640 APPLAUSE 129 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:22,518 So you meet him in Pyongyang, and then you go back to Europe, 130 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:26,040 and then your second meeting is when you go to Spain. Yeah. 131 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,200 Can you tell me a little bit about that meeting? 132 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,000 So what did Alejandro want from you? 133 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,958 And so the mole began channelling his way through 134 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:01,838 the Korean Friendship Association, hoping to find the secrets 135 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,720 of this global club for friends of Pyongyang. 136 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,958 Advised by me, the mole had a professional cameraman 137 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:54,000 enrolled in KFA Denmark as his personal assistant. 138 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,280 Is Alejandro aware of the personal aspects of your life? 139 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:16,758 A lot of time because, in his real life, the mole is a retired chef 140 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,438 who lives on welfare subsidies from the government 141 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,558 because of some sort of chronic disease 142 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,438 which prevents him from working. 143 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,478 He is married with children and resides in the suburbs 144 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:30,238 of Copenhagen, living a seemingly normal life. 145 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,560 As such, he is the best mole you could ever want. 146 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,240 MUSIC PLAYS 147 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,120 That's quite a quick leap up. 148 00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:21,600 So what were your responsibilities in that? 149 00:19:31,360 --> 00:19:34,320 This is Ulrich out of Copenhagen. Here's what he had to say. 150 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:49,678 So, Andre, he's really picking up on that theme 151 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,240 that Dermot had about a smear against North Korea. 152 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:23,078 Do you happen to know if he's told his wife what he was doing? 153 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:24,680 I don't think so. Mm. 154 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,840 What did your wife say when you went home smelling of that strange scent? 155 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:13,040 Mm-hm. 156 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,600 LINE RINGS 157 00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:12,960 Why does Alejandro like the mole? What does he see in the mole? 158 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:24,078 Alejandro Cao de Benos begins putting pressure on the mole. 159 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,718 He wants him to source for businessmen who will invest 160 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,198 in North Korea. 161 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:33,638 So the main part, really, is raising business and investment. Yeah. 162 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,318 In a debriefing filmed in Denmark back in 2013, 163 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:41,878 the mole was already talking about KFA president Alejandro Cao de Benos 164 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,200 wanting him to find investors. 165 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,438 But investing in North Korea is tricky business 166 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,958 because of the tough UN sanctions 167 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,078 levelled against the cash-starved regime. 168 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,398 The new sanctions include a ban on exports of 169 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:18,398 North Korean goods such as machinery and electrical equipment. 170 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,558 Since no-one in their right mind would throw money at North Korea, 171 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:26,678 I decided to invent a fake investor in order for the mole to find out 172 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,678 what exactly Alejandro Cao de Benos had in mind. 173 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:34,080 I forgot to mention there is another person involved in this. 174 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,598 That person is Mr James. 175 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,118 His real name is Jim, 176 00:23:40,120 --> 00:23:43,878 and he was chosen by me to perform the role as Mr James, 177 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,040 a man of international mystery. 178 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,118 In real life, Jim is a former member of the French Foreign Legion 179 00:23:51,120 --> 00:23:56,120 who later went on to become a jetset cocaine pusher in Copenhagen. 180 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,158 In the end, he was caught and served eight years in jail, 181 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,440 and now works and lives as a legitimate businessman. 182 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,200 In my mind, he was tailor-made for extreme role-playing. 183 00:24:16,360 --> 00:24:19,798 So I had the mole invite Alejandro to come to Oslo in Norway 184 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,198 for meeting with the man of his dreams, 185 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:26,238 Mr James, a dapper Scandinavian oil billionaire. 186 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:27,400 So how did you set it up? 187 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:31,360 Mm-hm. 188 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,358 What kind of investments into North Korea 189 00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:53,360 would President Alejandro Cao de Benos have on offer for Mr James? 190 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:08,360 Go. 191 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,440 KNOCK ON DOOR 192 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:10,638 Sorry, just to interrupt, 193 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,718 but what sort of cover story had you developed for James? 194 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,438 I mean, Alejandro presumably would have done some checking 195 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,000 on the background of James. 196 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,840 So he didn't need to know the name of this oil billionaire? 197 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,280 Did he discuss what types of business he would be looking for? 198 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,518 Meeting with President Alejandro Cao de Benos in Oslo 199 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,078 gave a whole new perspective on the Korean Friendship Association 200 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:01,078 because, officially, the KFA is a peaceful organisation 201 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,878 which works to promote North Korean culture, history and values 202 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,840 through its members in more than 30 different countries... 203 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,318 ..including the official delegate for all of Scandinavia, 204 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:14,840 the mole. 205 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,798 Was the KFA really being used 206 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,438 as a front for dealing with weapons and drugs from North Korea, 207 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,678 with Alejandro as the spider in the web? 208 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,918 Or was Alejandro Cao de Benos playing us in order to get to 209 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,318 the deep pockets of Mr James? 210 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,518 And who was Alejandro really? 211 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:37,198 Simply a buffoonish braggart acting as a useful idiot 212 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,238 for the regime in Pyongyang? 213 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,078 Or was he a highly connected and sophisticated 214 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:43,920 international criminal? 215 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,358 At last, the mole had found his real mission and true purpose - 216 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,878 follow the lead of Alejandro Cao de Benos 217 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,480 and see where it takes us. 218 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,840 So, what happened after this meeting? 219 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,398 For the first time ever, the brave soldiers of the KFA 220 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,958 would have their annual meeting without their president - 221 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,800 a perfect chance for the mole to rise in the ranks. 222 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,760 PHONE RINGS 223 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,078 Next, the mole and Mr James went to Madrid in Spain 224 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,760 to meet with Alejandro Cao de Benos. 225 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,718 Through me, Mr James had an order ready for North Korean weapons 226 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,840 as well as methamphetamine. 227 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,118 Would the president of the Korean Friendship Association 228 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:05,558 be open for business, 229 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,520 now that he was being investigated for arms trafficking? 230 00:34:26,240 --> 00:34:30,280 So, Alejandro took James entirely on trust, on your recommendation? 231 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:35,720 And what was that story? 232 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,238 So, at this meeting in Madrid... Yeah. 233 00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:42,638 ..does James give any ideas about why he wants, why he's interested 234 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,280 in buying this sort of materiel? 235 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,678 At this point, he's stuck in Spain... Yeah. ..for legal reasons. 236 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,480 But he can organise your trip with James to North Korea. 237 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,118 Going on a secret mission to North Korea 238 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,598 calls for careful planning, 239 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,558 so I had my first in-person meeting with the mole and Mr James together, 240 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,958 making sure that Mr James especially 241 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,680 knew the most important rules of the game. 242 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,398 Hi, Jim. I'm Annie. Pleasure to meet you. 243 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,160 Lovely to meet you, too. 244 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,998 If we can keep the answers as brief as possible 245 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:27,038 and as precise as possible, that would be appreciated. Sure. 246 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,240 So, what was your perception of the possible risk at this point? 247 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,240 SHE LAUGHS Erm... 248 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,158 I was also worried for the mole. 249 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,198 Mr James had been around the block. 250 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,038 He could fend for himself. 251 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:10,638 But what about the mole? 252 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,640 He was just a retired chef. 253 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,598 So, I took him to see a teacher who could give him a crash course 254 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:27,238 in what is known as "tradecraft" among spies. 255 00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:29,358 In short, I took him to see Max, 256 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,560 a former CIA agent. 257 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,160 If he makes a mistake, he could find himself... 258 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,560 ..tied up in the centre of town with a blowtorch... 259 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,478 ..as an example for nobody else to do that. 260 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,478 So... 261 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,758 But why trust a former CIA agent 262 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:57,080 with the identity and secrets of the mole? It's a good question. 263 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,798 Max had been fired from the Central Intelligence Agency 264 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,918 and was not in good standing with the company any more, 265 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,278 which made it safer to trust him. 266 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:10,758 I'm going to kill you. 267 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,638 Why? 268 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:13,798 OK, yep. 269 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,638 Anyway, I was in need of someone who could teach the mole the ropes 270 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,518 before he returned to North Korea. 271 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,038 If somebody's holding a gun on you, 272 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,638 you're not going to expect them to...take it away. 273 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:27,678 All right? All you're looking for is a split-second edge. 274 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,318 And besides, as the saying goes, 275 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,678 who can you trust these days? 276 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,358 Observation skills. 277 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,678 What I say, what's common is common... Yeah. 278 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,198 ..and what ain't, ain't. 279 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,358 That means if it's common, that's usual for the area, 280 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:43,798 OK, that's normal. 281 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,478 If something stands out, it stands out for a reason, 282 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,998 so you've got to be aware of your surroundings. 283 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,558 You might as well give them your phone and say, 284 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:59,078 "Here, look at it," because that's how easy it is nowadays. 285 00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,758 You have to assume they can read all of your messages. 286 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,638 So, when they look at your emails accounts, 287 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,198 they can go way, way, way, way, way back. 288 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,158 They're going to feel like you betrayed them. 289 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,878 You didn't really believe in...socialism or communism. 290 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,198 You didn't really believe in North Korea as a place to go. 291 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:17,558 You didn't really believe it. 292 00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,280 That was all just... You were a mole. 293 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,398 Be careful that they don't set a trap for you. 294 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,078 So, like, when they walk out of the room and leave papers, 295 00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,398 don't touch them, don't go near them. 296 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,478 Then, they can say, "Oh, we knew he was going to go through these." 297 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:40,438 You don't care about those. Don't even think about messing with that. 298 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,238 I tell you what, you are a hero of mine doing this. 299 00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:46,878 It's very dangerous. So, this is the real deal. Yeah. 300 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:48,598 Safe journey. Thank you, Max. 301 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,760 Godspeed. Thank you. Bye. Bye now. 302 00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,158 Right in the middle of these anxieties, 303 00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,518 an American university student was arrested in North Korea. 304 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,718 ..was sentenced to hard labour 305 00:43:11,720 --> 00:43:14,918 for stealing a propaganda poster. The Warmbier... 306 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:16,838 His crime was simply stealing a poster 307 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,880 from his hotel in Pyongyang. 308 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,678 Another American front and centre 309 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,040 in Pyongyang's propaganda parade. 310 00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,158 Otto Frederick Warmbier, 311 00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,438 a University of Virginia business major, 312 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,000 making a dramatic, emotional confession. 313 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,358 Warmbier's parents issued a statement today... 314 00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,320 VOICE FADES OUT 315 00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,240 So, can you tell me what happened when you got there? 316 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,080 MUSIC PLAYS 317 00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,440 POP MUSIC PLAYS 318 00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:08,880 VIOLIN MUSIC PLAYS 319 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,640 OPERA SINGING 320 00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,360 OUT-OF-TUNE SINGING 321 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,040 WOMEN SING 322 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,800 APPLAUSE 323 00:47:27,240 --> 00:47:30,480 So, how did the deal progress once you were there? 324 00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:26,920 GUNSHOT 325 00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,160 GUNSHOT 326 00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:53,598 So how long did this, erm - shall we call it a courtship period - last? 327 00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,160 Two days. OK. 328 00:49:09,240 --> 00:49:11,198 LOW CHATTER 329 00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,320 INDICATOR CLICKING 330 00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:34,678 Under a basement... Yeah. in a rotting house. Yeah. 331 00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,520 Were you frightened? 332 00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,560 MEN SPEAKING KOREAN 333 00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,280 Is this when this photograph was taken? 334 00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,360 So, can you tell me who is who? 335 00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,200 Mm-hm. 336 00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:12,840 Mm-hm. 337 00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,320 OK. 338 00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:42,720 HE LAUGHS 339 00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:49,000 Mm-hm. 340 00:52:09,240 --> 00:52:12,198 Like a sort of menu? Yeah. OK. 341 00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,520 And what sort of weapons are we talking about? 342 00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:25,638 So this is all on offer? 343 00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:30,118 Yeah, this is what we were just handed over the table. 344 00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:33,598 Wow! So we've got Scud missiles? Yeah. 345 00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:38,198 So, you can get five Scud missiles for $14 million. 346 00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:39,920 Missile launchers. Yeah. 347 00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,598 So we're going up to Scud-E missiles now. Yeah. Good God. 348 00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:46,720 $25 million. 349 00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:50,800 Yeah. 350 00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:57,038 And that's a high explosive warhead, and that's thermobaric. Oof! 351 00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,438 I mean, that's as close as you can get to a nuke... Yeah. 352 00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,040 ..without it being a nuke. 353 00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:03,600 What's this? 354 00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,478 The arms factory? Yeah. Yeah, OK. 355 00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,640 All signed and sealed, as well. Yes. 356 00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,158 And what was Ulrich doing during this meeting 357 00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:23,880 when you were signing contracts? 358 00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:27,360 He was allowed to film?! 359 00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,680 CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS 360 00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:44,840 And where is that? 361 00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,518 At this point, you're in a secret underground lair in North Korea, 362 00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:57,358 facilitating the signature of a weapons contract. 363 00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,720 What is going through your head at this stage? 364 00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,800 APPLAUSE 365 00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,600 And Alejandro is aware of all of this? 366 00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,920 MUSIC PLAYS 367 00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,400 APPLAUSE 368 00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,518 And did the Koreans have any preferences 369 00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:35,720 when it came to countries, or suggestions? 370 00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:00,478 So, to sum it up, 371 00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,838 you are now a North Korean weapons dealer and broker? 372 00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:04,920 Yes. 373 00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,518 Good evening, and it's great to have you with us here 374 00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,078 on a Monday night. And we begin with late developments today, 375 00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:18,238 the worsening horror for a mother and father from Ohio. 376 00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:20,638 Their son, who was just returned from North Korea 377 00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:24,198 with severe brain damage, has now died. 378 00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,718 Since the moment their son was sentenced 379 00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:30,118 to hard labour for stealing a propaganda poster, 380 00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:33,838 the Warmbiers were fighting until he was released. 381 00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:38,358 The look in his eyes, which I didn't know he was blind at the time, 382 00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:43,758 was absolute horror - horror like he'd seen the devil. 383 00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:47,600 And he had. He was with the devil. 384 00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:01,838 Back in Copenhagen, I was shocked to discover what my two proxies 385 00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,358 had accomplished in Pyongyang. 386 00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,758 They had brought real, raw intelligence with them. 387 00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:11,598 As the scholar Andrea Berger writes in her study Target Markets, 388 00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:15,318 very little is known about pricing on North Korean weapons systems, 389 00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:19,758 but here was a fully detailed menu in hard copy. 390 00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,878 Mr James being appointed as a North Korean arms broker 391 00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,038 seemed like the figment of a sick mind, 392 00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,838 but here also was a signed and sealed contract, 393 00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,240 drawn up in English by the North Koreans. 394 00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,998 Before Mr James came along, only a few non-Koreans 395 00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:39,120 had been known to broker weapons for the regime in Pyongyang. 396 00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:44,798 Back in 2011, the British arms dealer Michael Ranger was arrested 397 00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:48,438 for brokering a deal between Azerbaijan and North Korea, 398 00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:51,918 but he was a highly experienced arms dealer in a dangerous game 399 00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,640 for experts, let alone amateurs. 400 00:57:56,600 --> 00:58:00,760 Nevertheless, Mr James and the mole had scored a jackpot. 401 00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:29,878 RUSTLING 402 00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:31,960 ZIPPER ZIPS 403 00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:57,478 To prepare the mole for his next mission, Alejandro would now provide 404 00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:01,280 guidance on how to operate as a businessman in Uganda. 405 00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:49,520 OK. 406 01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:41,280 OK. 407 01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:46,480 Oh, OK. 408 01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:51,200 You were mic'd up? 409 01:00:57,080 --> 01:01:00,398 You had a volunteer, ten years ago, saying he could infiltrate a North Korean Friendship group in Denmark. 410 01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,438 You said that wasn't really big enough for you to investigate, 411 01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:04,758 but you'd stay in contact 412 01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:07,760 and if it became bigger, then you could revisit it. 413 01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:10,960 It did. 414 01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:14,798 I used to work for the British security service, 415 01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:16,598 otherwise known as MI5, 416 01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:20,318 so the film team has asked me in to debrief you. 417 01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:23,398 He is a retired chef. Mm-hm. 418 01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,958 He resides in the suburbs of Copenhagen, 419 01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:27,678 together with his family. 420 01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:30,120 Do you happen to know if he's told his wife what he was doing? 421 01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:33,320 I don't think so. No? 422 01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:40,758 And, over those early years, your mole had progressed up 423 01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:44,198 the hierarchy of the North Korean Friendship Association 424 01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,238 until he was a position of influence in Europe 425 01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:48,400 and knew the head guy in Europe. 426 01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:54,280 Do you think Alejandro is dangerous? 427 01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:03,440 You brought in a fake businessman. 428 01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:09,800 He has to play the part of Mr James. 429 01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:21,998 And suddenly the North Koreans get very excited about the 430 01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:26,638 possibility of weapons trading, or drug smuggling, or whatever. 431 01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,878 And deals are cut, contracts are signed. 432 01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:34,360 So, what I want to think about is where does that leave us now? 433 01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:45,638 And did the Koreans have any preferences 434 01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:47,960 when it came to countries or suggestions? 435 01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:04,558 The mole speaks about how they are going to produce methamphetamine 436 01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:07,200 and weapons, and then Alejandro Cao de Benos says... 437 01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:34,440 DETECTOR BEEPS 438 01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:43,880 I knew, if something is going to happen here, it's over. 439 01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:47,398 BEEPING 440 01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:49,680 HE SCOFFS 441 01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:04,120 BEEPING CONTINUES 442 01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:11,878 CAR STARTS 443 01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:13,360 HE EXHALES 444 01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:19,240 What happened next? 445 01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:31,120 HE GROANS 446 01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:54,598 So, just to be fully clear here, 447 01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:59,238 he was fully briefed on the plans to build the secret factory in Uganda? 448 01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:01,000 Loved the idea. OK. Yeah. 449 01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:13,518 In Uganda, Mr James would be the playmaker. 450 01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:14,758 Yeah, OK. 451 01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:16,118 And to have it all on camera, 452 01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:18,358 he brought a photographer who was filming 453 01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:22,680 for a covert video about his life as a man of international mystery. 454 01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:28,080 And the mole, he brought his hidden camera. 455 01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:50,680 So, what happens next? 456 01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:08,360 Is that...? 457 01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:14,120 And who is he? 458 01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:39,238 Earlier this month, North Korea threatened to fire 459 01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:41,720 missiles towards the US territory of Guam. 460 01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:45,520 This provoked the US president into threats of war. 461 01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:06,638 North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States. 462 01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:11,118 They will be met with fire and fury 463 01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:13,478 like the world has never seen. 464 01:09:13,480 --> 01:09:15,080 LAUGHTER 465 01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:41,480 How had you found the island in the first place? 466 01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:48,200 LAUGHTER 467 01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:28,200 EXCITED CHATTER 468 01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:45,078 We are waiting for someone. 469 01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:47,040 Your sister? Your brother? 470 01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:49,638 I will show you one on the other side and then we are done, 471 01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:51,760 and then you have an idea of all the things. 472 01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:57,918 Did you get an impression that they had something out of the box, 473 01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:01,238 so they had done this before and had a standard plan, 474 01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:05,158 a standard look for disguising these sort of facilities? 475 01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:07,400 They had worked with other people like this? 476 01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:51,920 How can that be done? Was the government involved? 477 01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:08,800 We were really crazy as well. 478 01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:30,480 Thank you. APPLAUSE 479 01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:33,158 GROANING 480 01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:35,080 LAUGHTER 481 01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:44,038 THUMPING MUSIC PLAYS 482 01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:46,838 So, although the true purpose of the project was not 483 01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:48,518 revealed to the Africans, 484 01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:50,198 buying the island in Uganda 485 01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:52,958 and using it for a secret weapons and drug factory 486 01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:56,118 seemed to be right up the alley of the North Koreans, 487 01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:58,280 which was kind of important to prove. 488 01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:03,478 But it did not stop there because, while in Uganda, 489 01:18:03,480 --> 01:18:06,518 the North Korean arms dealer Mr Danny was ready to take 490 01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:08,678 the joint venture a step further. 491 01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:10,200 Yeah, we can meet in the lobby. 492 01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:06,478 North Koreans needing to move armaments to Syria is 493 01:19:06,480 --> 01:19:08,878 actually a very interesting piece of information, 494 01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:11,518 so please allow me to digress a little bit. 495 01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:15,918 Historically, North Korea and Syria have been friends for many years 496 01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:18,918 and the North Koreans were even building a nuclear reactor 497 01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:23,918 in the Syrian desert until the Israelis decided to blow it up. 498 01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:25,438 During the civil war in Syria, 499 01:19:25,440 --> 01:19:28,918 the New York Times published a story about how North Korea was 500 01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:32,400 helping the Syrian regime with its chemical weapons programme. 501 01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:36,278 At the same time, small arms from North Korea have been found 502 01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:38,838 in the hands of fighters from the Islamic State, 503 01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:43,278 but most likely these weapons were stolen from the Syrian army. 504 01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:47,678 So, when the North Korean arms dealer Mr Danny wants to send bombs 505 01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:52,720 and projectiles to Syria, the end user is probably the Syrian regime. 506 01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:57,518 So what did you say to Danny 507 01:19:57,520 --> 01:19:59,960 when he suggested that you help with the Syria move? 508 01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:23,518 Something I still feel bad about is sending Mr James to Beijing 509 01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:26,040 to meet with North Korean arms dealers. 510 01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:29,758 People who are in the know about the dark side 511 01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:31,640 advised us strongly against it. 512 01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:36,398 Because if the Chinese intelligence service would shine 513 01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:40,800 their lights on Mr James, it would be another ball game entirely. 514 01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:46,718 But Mr James is a man who craves action 515 01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:50,920 and I am a film-maker who craves sensation, so he went anyway. 516 01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:35,758 Both men are North Korean. 517 01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:39,598 I know this because sometimes they speak Korean to each other 518 01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:41,560 in the dialect of the North. 519 01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:08,998 Asking for names of clients 520 01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:13,440 and contacts in the world of arms dealing seems to be a show stopper. 521 01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:28,880 And what was the power dynamic between these two? 522 01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:43,438 Was the enigmatic Stoneface summoned to Beijing 523 01:24:43,440 --> 01:24:47,678 in order to verify the identity of Mr James? 524 01:24:47,680 --> 01:24:50,438 He never says a word, he does not even smile, 525 01:24:50,440 --> 01:24:53,598 so we can never know for sure about Stoneface, 526 01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:57,600 but it is safe to say that his appearance made a difference. 527 01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:05,240 Yeah. 528 01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:07,520 HE LAUGHS 529 01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:12,960 HE LAUGHS LOUDLY 530 01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:22,920 So, when did they contact you again? 531 01:26:25,080 --> 01:26:27,000 Hm. 532 01:26:28,440 --> 01:26:32,798 My actor, Mr James, seemed to be taking on a life of his own. 533 01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:34,558 That was a concern. 534 01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:37,158 Another concern was the mole going back to Spain to brief 535 01:26:37,160 --> 01:26:42,398 Alejandro Cao de Benos about the Tourism Project, the code name 536 01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:46,840 chosen for the underground weapons and drugs factory in Uganda. 537 01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:55,998 By now, the mole had been undercover for more than seven years 538 01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:58,120 and paranoia was running high. 539 01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:03,478 So far, no intelligence service had caught onto us, 540 01:27:03,480 --> 01:27:06,678 but, every time we met with Alejandro Cao de Benos, 541 01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:08,638 we had to consider the possibility 542 01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:12,398 that he was being followed by spooks. 543 01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:14,798 At the same time, we also had to consider the risk 544 01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:17,918 that Alejandro would upgrade his counter surveillance 545 01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:21,480 with new devices for discovering microphones. 546 01:27:25,480 --> 01:27:29,558 From now on, the mole would only meet with Alejandro in a hotel 547 01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:32,918 chosen by us with security on standby next door 548 01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:35,520 in case his cover was blown. 549 01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:46,518 Soon Alejandro would spring another surprise on the mole, 550 01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:48,758 but first a piece of nostalgia. 551 01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:53,118 You see, going to North Korea with Alejandro as my tour guide 552 01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:57,638 back in 2006 left a long-lasting impression on me. 553 01:27:57,640 --> 01:28:00,758 Apparently I had also left a long-lasting impression 554 01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:02,878 on Alejandro Cao de Benos 555 01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:06,760 and so had my first documentary about North Korea, The Red Chapel. 556 01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:12,158 The film stars two Danish-Korean comedians who go to Pyongyang 557 01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:13,998 and lampoon the leadership, 558 01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:18,400 which means that I am not Mr Popular in North Korea any more. 559 01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:23,400 HE SPEAKS ANOTHER LANGUAGE 560 01:29:50,080 --> 01:29:54,280 Sarcasm aside, Alejandro Cao de Benos is a man who thinks big. 561 01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:58,198 During the meeting in Barcelona, Alejandro tells the mole 562 01:29:58,200 --> 01:30:02,198 of an ambitious plan for a triangle deal 563 01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:07,240 involving Mr James, North Korea and a Jordanian businessman. 564 01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:20,600 Which is...? 565 01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:50,758 If the mole could get Mr James to Spain, Alejandro will introduce him 566 01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:52,960 to his plans for triangular trading. 567 01:31:39,320 --> 01:31:41,200 HE COUGHS AND LAUGHS 568 01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:13,240 Hmm. 569 01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:34,080 LAUGHTER 570 01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:37,078 So my two proxies, the mole and Mr James, 571 01:34:37,080 --> 01:34:40,038 went to Jordan to find out if there really is a man named 572 01:34:40,040 --> 01:34:44,040 El Dasouki who wants to triangle with them and North Korea. 573 01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:55,640 Have a nice day. 574 01:37:25,880 --> 01:37:27,558 BELL RINGS 575 01:37:27,560 --> 01:37:29,160 I guess that's the food. 576 01:37:38,080 --> 01:37:39,600 Yeah, sure, sure, sure. 577 01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:41,878 So was the contract actually signed? 578 01:39:41,880 --> 01:39:43,440 They signed the contract. 579 01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:46,120 For how much? 580 01:40:41,480 --> 01:40:43,360 NAME BLEEPED OUT 581 01:40:51,640 --> 01:40:56,278 Here, El Dasouki mentions a major Jordanian power broker, 582 01:40:56,280 --> 01:41:00,120 but, due to legal reasons, his name cannot be disclosed. 583 01:41:03,200 --> 01:41:05,558 Next, the mole was asked to go to Sweden 584 01:41:05,560 --> 01:41:08,518 because a package was waiting for him to be picked up 585 01:41:08,520 --> 01:41:10,960 at the North Korean embassy in Stockholm. 586 01:41:50,600 --> 01:41:52,120 Like my sort of movie! 587 01:42:24,200 --> 01:42:25,240 So... 588 01:42:53,320 --> 01:42:54,480 Thank you for the ride. 589 01:43:08,120 --> 01:43:10,918 Then, in this tale of intrigue and deception, 590 01:43:10,920 --> 01:43:13,078 a new character made his appearance. 591 01:43:13,080 --> 01:43:16,998 It was Mr Ju, a North Korean envoy who came to Copenhagen 592 01:43:17,000 --> 01:43:19,518 to do business with Mr James. 593 01:43:19,520 --> 01:43:23,398 Last time the world met Mr Ju was on the Australian version 594 01:43:23,400 --> 01:43:27,158 of 60 Minutes, where he acts as a smiling mouthpiece 595 01:43:27,160 --> 01:43:29,680 for the regime in Pyongyang. 596 01:45:01,280 --> 01:45:03,278 LAUGHTER 597 01:45:03,280 --> 01:45:05,640 And did Alejandro know about this deal as well? 598 01:45:17,400 --> 01:45:19,678 Now the North Koreans would discover 599 01:45:19,680 --> 01:45:23,200 that Denmark also is a very alcoholised country. 600 01:45:33,480 --> 01:45:35,080 Chin-chin! 601 01:45:49,440 --> 01:45:53,438 Had Mr James chosen to honour the contract he signed in Copenhagen, 602 01:45:53,440 --> 01:45:56,678 he would have to wire millions of dollars to El Dasouki 603 01:45:56,680 --> 01:46:00,198 in Jordan as payment for oil to North Korea. 604 01:46:00,200 --> 01:46:03,838 In return, North Korea would deliver manpower and products 605 01:46:03,840 --> 01:46:07,520 to the island of Mr James and so goes the triangle trade. 606 01:46:10,040 --> 01:46:12,598 From his office in Jordan, El Dasouki was now 607 01:46:12,600 --> 01:46:16,598 threatening legal action unless Mr James honoured their contract 608 01:46:16,600 --> 01:46:18,000 and showed him the money. 609 01:46:20,640 --> 01:46:23,918 Meanwhile, the North Korean weapons dealer, Mr Danny, 610 01:46:23,920 --> 01:46:28,318 who we met in Uganda, was pushing for a meeting with Mr James 611 01:46:28,320 --> 01:46:30,800 in order to "speed up" the business. 612 01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:35,918 They met in a hotel in Cambodia, 613 01:46:35,920 --> 01:46:40,800 where Mr James was taken to the next level in the circle of trust. 614 01:47:13,000 --> 01:47:15,038 GUNSHOTS 615 01:47:15,040 --> 01:47:18,878 In Cambodia, it became apparent that the sanctions are working. 616 01:47:18,880 --> 01:47:22,078 The North Koreans are desperate to find clients who will buy 617 01:47:22,080 --> 01:47:27,040 their weapons and it seems like Mr James is their big white hope. 618 01:47:53,800 --> 01:47:55,518 And what about the triangulation deal? 619 01:47:55,520 --> 01:47:57,160 Where's that left at the moment? 620 01:48:01,600 --> 01:48:03,558 So this is where you left it? Yeah. 621 01:48:03,560 --> 01:48:04,720 They still trust you. 622 01:48:07,480 --> 01:48:08,878 But not for long. 623 01:48:08,880 --> 01:48:11,278 The investigation had gone as far as it could, 624 01:48:11,280 --> 01:48:13,558 so Mr James had to disappear. 625 01:48:13,560 --> 01:48:16,838 Thanks to my intervention, Mr James went off the grid 626 01:48:16,840 --> 01:48:21,798 and simply vanished, no longer answering his phone nor his emails. 627 01:48:21,800 --> 01:48:25,200 In short, Mr James became a ghost. 628 01:48:28,960 --> 01:48:31,798 Meanwhile, the mole was taking care of business 629 01:48:31,800 --> 01:48:33,880 as the KFA delegate of Scandinavia. 630 01:48:34,920 --> 01:48:38,438 First, he went to London to protest against the BBC, 631 01:48:38,440 --> 01:48:40,358 together with his comrade in arms, 632 01:48:40,360 --> 01:48:43,758 the British delegate of the Korean Friendship Association, 633 01:48:43,760 --> 01:48:45,240 Mr Dermot Hodgson. 634 01:49:07,640 --> 01:49:11,278 Then the mole went to Spain for his last in-person meeting 635 01:49:11,280 --> 01:49:13,840 with his president, Alejandro Cao de Benos. 636 01:49:22,480 --> 01:49:24,720 Several items were on the agenda. 637 01:49:36,840 --> 01:49:38,360 And old carpets on the floor. 638 01:49:45,600 --> 01:49:49,480 But most important was the sudden disappearance of Mr James. 639 01:51:29,680 --> 01:51:30,998 To top it off, 640 01:51:31,000 --> 01:51:35,158 the mole had been chosen as the host of the annual KFA meeting. 641 01:51:35,160 --> 01:51:37,878 It was I who wrote the speeches for the mole 642 01:51:37,880 --> 01:51:40,640 and now he would deliver his final sermon. 643 01:52:17,120 --> 01:52:19,678 As I had planned it, the mole would share the fruits 644 01:52:19,680 --> 01:52:23,160 of the top-secret work he had been doing with his mentor Alejandro. 645 01:53:21,640 --> 01:53:23,558 Following the annual KFA meeting, 646 01:53:23,560 --> 01:53:26,398 one member of the Korean Friendship Association 647 01:53:26,400 --> 01:53:29,640 praised the Tourist Project on the message board of the KFA. 648 01:53:30,880 --> 01:53:35,198 Alejandro told the mole to delete everything at once. 649 01:53:35,200 --> 01:53:38,918 Also, a member named Jean Paul left the KFA 650 01:53:38,920 --> 01:53:41,680 because he panicked about spying and hacking. 651 01:53:47,320 --> 01:53:48,558 At the end of this, 652 01:53:48,560 --> 01:53:52,478 I hired the former intelligence officer Annie Machon. 653 01:53:52,480 --> 01:53:55,158 Before she went rogue and became a whistle-blower, 654 01:53:55,160 --> 01:53:58,120 she was working for the British security service, the MI5. 655 01:53:59,280 --> 01:54:02,678 Her exploits as a whistle-blower have made her controversial, 656 01:54:02,680 --> 01:54:04,998 but that is of no concern to me. 657 01:54:05,000 --> 01:54:08,838 I am only interested in her qualifications as a spy. 658 01:54:08,840 --> 01:54:12,438 Running long-time undercover agents was her line of work, 659 01:54:12,440 --> 01:54:16,478 as was debriefing agents at the end of their missions. 660 01:54:16,480 --> 01:54:19,798 If someone has put ten years of their life into doing something, 661 01:54:19,800 --> 01:54:22,918 and they've been very solitary in what they're doing, 662 01:54:22,920 --> 01:54:26,598 they do need a chance just to tell someone exactly 663 01:54:26,600 --> 01:54:28,758 what they went through. 664 01:54:28,760 --> 01:54:31,758 It's almost like a confessional. 665 01:54:31,760 --> 01:54:34,758 And, of course, you do want to, to reward them at the end of it, 666 01:54:34,760 --> 01:54:38,278 even if it's just with a recognition they can't really tell anyone about, 667 01:54:38,280 --> 01:54:40,518 apart from perhaps their wife or their husband. 668 01:54:40,520 --> 01:54:42,598 But it is that recognition that's very important 669 01:54:42,600 --> 01:54:44,998 when they've been working undercover for so long. 670 01:54:45,000 --> 01:54:47,198 Such as a lavish dinner? 671 01:54:47,200 --> 01:54:49,520 A lavish dinner usually works very well, yes. 672 01:54:52,400 --> 01:54:55,518 And I want to raise a toast to you both for what you have achieved. 673 01:54:55,520 --> 01:54:57,318 I think it's probably the... 674 01:54:57,320 --> 01:55:00,958 ..most impressive private intelligence operation 675 01:55:00,960 --> 01:55:02,360 I've ever heard of. 676 01:55:04,880 --> 01:55:07,238 How are you going to protect these two guys 677 01:55:07,240 --> 01:55:09,678 from any reprisals from the North Koreans? 678 01:55:09,680 --> 01:55:13,038 Regarding Mr James, he simply refuses to be... 679 01:55:13,040 --> 01:55:14,158 SHE LAUGHS 680 01:55:14,160 --> 01:55:18,758 ..you know...protected or advised about security. 681 01:55:18,760 --> 01:55:19,958 OK. 682 01:55:19,960 --> 01:55:25,278 Erm, we have prepared for an after-care programme for the mole, 683 01:55:25,280 --> 01:55:28,478 also taking care of his security. Mm-hm. 684 01:55:28,480 --> 01:55:29,718 And his family? 685 01:55:29,720 --> 01:55:30,958 And his family as well. 686 01:55:30,960 --> 01:55:32,438 Erm... 687 01:55:32,440 --> 01:55:38,318 What I am more concerned about regarding the mole is that 688 01:55:38,320 --> 01:55:41,718 being the mole has been a part of his identity 689 01:55:41,720 --> 01:55:44,398 for more than ten years, you know? 690 01:55:44,400 --> 01:55:47,680 So, what will happen when we bring him in? 691 01:55:50,080 --> 01:55:53,478 Entering any form of secret-type world is very seductive - 692 01:55:53,480 --> 01:55:55,398 I know from personal experience. 693 01:55:55,400 --> 01:55:57,758 And, for those who have been living a double life, 694 01:55:57,760 --> 01:56:01,678 with all the danger and the adrenaline rush and everything, 695 01:56:01,680 --> 01:56:05,200 it is incredibly difficult, often, to go back to mundane reality. 696 01:56:09,800 --> 01:56:12,640 In the long-run, we all must face reality. 697 01:56:17,480 --> 01:56:20,118 So, finally, I went to the suburbs of Copenhagen 698 01:56:20,120 --> 01:56:21,638 to see where the mole lives 699 01:56:21,640 --> 01:56:23,560 and meet with him and his wife. 700 01:56:36,520 --> 01:56:38,398 It is a long story, 701 01:56:38,400 --> 01:56:39,920 but let's cut to the ending. 702 02:00:27,240 --> 02:00:28,598 Mm-hm. 703 02:00:28,600 --> 02:00:30,240 HE EXHALES 704 02:01:14,520 --> 02:01:16,000 HE LAUGHS 57668

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