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>>> TODAY ON "ZIWE," I'LL BE
TALKING ABOUT BEAUTY STANDARDS.
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SOCIETY'S BEAUTY STANDARDS HAVE
CHANGED OVER THE YEARS BUT THE
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ONE CONSTANT IS UPHOLDING A
STANDARD THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO
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ACHIEVE.
THIS HAS LED TO AN OBSESSION
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WITH PLASTIC SURGERY.
IN THE U.S. ALONE, NEARLY 20
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MILLION COSMETIC PROCEDURES ARE
PERFORMED EVERY YEAR.
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THIS IS PARTICULARLY
COMPLIMENTED FOR BLACK WOMEN WHO
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ARE CONSTANTLY TOLD IN MEDIA
THAT THEIR FEATURES ARE NOT
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DESIRABLE.
EBONI K. WILLIAMS IS THE FIRST
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BLACK HOUSEWIFE OF "REAL
HOUSEWIVES OF NEW YORK" SO I
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INVITED THE ICONIC AUTHOR AND
BEAUTY EXPERT TO THE SHOW.
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YOU LOOK ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS.
SHE TALKS ABOUT COLORISM.
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>> I WOULD CONSIDER MYSELF
CARAMEL.
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>> HER FAVORITE BODY PARTS.
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>> BIG TITTIES.
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>> HOW SHE DEALS WITH BEAUTY
STANDARD HYPOCRISY.
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>> THE LAWYER IN MY ALWAYS COMES
PREPARED.
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>> AND SO MUCH MORE.
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>> IT'S VERY CONTROVERSIAL.
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>> LATER WE TALKED TO RACHEL
LINDSEY FOR EVEN MORE INSIGHT.
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STAY TUNED.
IT'S GOING TO BE ICONIC.
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>> SHUT UP, ZIWE.
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>> "ZIWE" STARTS RIGHT NOW.
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>> PLEASE WELCOME THE BEAUTY
QUEEN/FIRST BLACK HOUSEWIFE OF
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"REAL HOUSEWIVES OF NEW YORK,"
EBONI K. WILLIAMS.
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PLEASE, SIT DOWN.
YOU LOOK ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS.
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>> THANK YOU, QUEEN ZIWE.
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>> OH, STOP.
LET'S TALK ABOUT YOUR OUTFIT.
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YOU TALK ABOUT IMPRESSIONS, SO
IT ESTABLISHES WHAT PEOPLE THINK
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OF YOU AND OPENS THE DOOR FOR
YOU TO BE A BEAUTIFUL WOMAN.
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TODAY YOU WORE PINK WITH GOLD
BUTTONS, WHY THAT FOR ME?
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>> I REALLY WANTED TO CONVEY FOR
OUR CONVERSATION THE EPITOME OF
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FEMININITY.
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>> OKAY, STOP.
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>> AND POWER.
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>> I LOVE THAT FOR MYSELF.
THAT'S WHAT I PITCHED THE SHOW
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AS.
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>> PERFECT.
WE'RE ALIGNED.
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>> YOU HAVE A BOOK CALLED
"PRETTY POWERFUL" WHY DO YOU
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THINK OTHER PEOPLE CAN'T BE
POWERFUL?
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>> UMM, WELL, YOU KNOW, PRETTY
IS A DEMOCRATIZED THING NOW.
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THANK GOD.
ANYBODY CAN PRETTY.
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>> ANYBODY CAN BE PRETTY?
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>> ANYBODY, CHILD, TRUST ME.
IT'S REALLY ABOUT STEPPING INTO
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CONTROL AND CONFIDENCE IN YOUR
LOOK AND OWNING IT AND ASSERTING
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IT.
THAT ACTUALLY IS PRETTY.
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>> SO DICK CHENEY, PRETTY?
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>> WELL, I DON'T SEE ANY
INTENTION WITH DICK'S LOOK.
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>> KID ROCK, VERY INTENTIONAL
WITH HIS LOOK, PRETTY.
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>> PRETTY.
I'M NOT ATTRACTED TO HIM.
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BUT HE'S GOT A DIRECTION.
IT'S CONSISTENT.
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IT'S WHITE SUPREMACIST.
BUT IT'S THERE.
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>> INTERESTING, INTERESTING
POINT OF VIEW.
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NOW, MOTHER TERESA.
BEAUTIFUL?
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>> I WISH I COULD HAVE SEEN SOME
MORE PHOTOS, AND THIS MIGHT JUST
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BE MY LACK OF RESEARCH, OF HER
IN MAYBE HER YOUNGER DAYS.
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>> WOULD YOU SMASH?
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>> THAT'S NOT A BAD LOOKING
WOMAN.
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>> I THINK IT'S DISGUSTING THAT
YOU WOULD EVER TALK ABOUT MOTHER
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TERESA LIKE THAT.
YOU WENT TO CHAPEL HILL.
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>> I WENT IN 2016.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MY MOTHER
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DID FOR ME THAT I MOST VALUE IS
FOR HOLIDAYS AS A LITTLE GIRL
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GROWING UP, I GET THE BARBIES
AND THE CABBAGE PATCH DOLLS.
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I GOT "THE AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF
MALCOLM X," ALL OF THESE THINGS.
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>> I ALSO STUDIED
AFRICAN-AMERICAN STUDIES.
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>> OUR SIMILARITIES ARE --
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>> YOU'RE MY TETHER.
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>> I'M DARK-SKINNED, YOU ARE
BEIGE.
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IS THAT THE POLITICALLY CORRECT
TERM?
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>> THAT'S VERY CONTROVERSIAL.
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>> IT IS CONTROVERSIAL.
WHERE DO YOU STAND ON THAT?
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>> I WOULD CONSIDER MYSELF
CARAMEL, CERTAINLY A BROWN
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WOMAN.
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>> AS FAR AS COLORISM, DO YOU
LIKE DARK MEN?
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LIKE, WHAT'S YOUR SITUATION?
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>> I RUN THE GAMUT.
I HAD A VERY LOVING RELATIONSHIP
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WITH A DARK-SKINNED HAITIAN MAN.
I'VE DATED THE JEWS, NATIVE
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AMERICAN, I'VE DONE THAT, MANY,
MANY BIRACIALS, LOST MY VIRGIN
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AT THIS TO AN EAST INDIAN GUY.
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>> THANKS FOR VOLUNTEERING THAT.
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>> I DON'T WANT TO LOOKING AT A
HO.
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>> I'M A VIRGIN, DON'T TELL
ANYBODY.
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IF YOU WERE TO DECLARE THE MOST
BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE IN THE WORLD,
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WHO WOULD BE IN THE TOP FIVE OF
YOUR LIST?
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>> SELMA
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>> SELL
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>> SELMA HAYEK IS STUNNING TO
ME.
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I HAD A LOT OF ISSUES AROUND MY
BREAST SIZE.
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WHEN YOU'RE 14, IT'S NOT CUTE.
GUYS ARE NOT LOOKING AT YOU.
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THEY'RE STARING AT YOUR BIG
TITTIES.
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I FELT VERY OBJECTIFIED AND
ASHAMED.
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>> I WANT TO APOLOGIZE, HERE I
AM TRYING TO VILLAINIZE THOSE
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WITH BEAUTIFUL, LARGE, PERFECT
BREASTS.
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SO NO, I WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO
ALL MY VIEWERS OUT THERE WHO ARE
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VERY CURVY, SORRY.
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>> I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE.
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>> I'M NOT JEALOUS.
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>> OKAY.
ALSO, REALLY BEAUTIFUL TO ME,
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HALLE BERRY.
HALLIE WAS MISS OHIO, USA, FIRST
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RUNNER UP TO A BLOND, MISS
TEXAS.
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THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HALLIE AND
I SHARE.
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IN 2009, I WAS FIRST RUNNER UP
TO A BEAUTIFUL BLOND AS WELL.
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>> PLEASE WELCOME OUR FIRST
FINALIST, EBONI WILLIAMS.
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>> SHE DID GO ON TO WIN MISS
USA, SHOUT OUT TO KRISTEN
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DAHLGREN, VERY SWEET GIRL.
I KNOW WHAT THAT FEELS LIKE, TO
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BE THE BROWN GIRL, HOLDING HANDS
WITH THE BEAUTIFUL WHITE BLOND
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WOMAN WHO IS IN THIS COUNTRY AND
WORLD THE CLASSICAL STANDARD OF
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BEAUTY.
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>> DAMN, THIS FEELS LIKE A LOT
OF TRAUMA.
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>> NO, I HAVE REALLY UNPACKED
THIS WITH MY THERAPIST, I'M IN A
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REALLY GOOD PLACE.
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>> NOW, IN YOUR BOOK, "PRETTY
POWERFUL," YOU SAY THAT WOMEN
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CAN BE BOTH PRETTY AND POWERFUL.
BUT SOME POWERFUL WOMEN NEVER
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GET THEIR APPRECIATION THEY
DESERVE.
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I'M GOING TO SHOW A PICTURE OF A
POWERFUL WOMAN AND YOU'RE GOING
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TO COMPLIMENT HER.
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>> ANGELA DAVIS.
I THINK ANGELA DAVIS IS WEARING
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A CROWN.
SHE MIGHT NOT BE A MISS USA.
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>> AND THE CROWN IS HER HAIR.
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>> YEAH, AND SHE'S DOING MY
FAVORITE THING FOR BLACK WOMEN
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TO DO, AMPLIFY OUR VOICES.
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>> AFRICAN-AMERICAN STUDIES IS
JUMPING OUT.
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>> GORGEOUS, STUNNING, BEAUTIFUL
IN EVERY WAY.
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SHE DIDN'T GO INTO THE WHITE
HOUSE DEEMED A CLASSICAL BEAUTY.
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>> PEOPLE ON SOMEONE'S FORMER
NETWORK, FORMER FOX NEWS
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CORRESPONDENT, THEY WOULD DRAG
THIS BRILLIANT WOMAN.
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IN YOUR BOOK YOU TALKED ABOUT
HOW YOU WERE THERE TO DISMANTLE.
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HOW DO YOU DISMANTLE THE
MASTER'S HOUSE WITH HIS OWN
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TOOLS?
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>> EVERYBODY WATCHING FOX NEWS
IS NOT A COMPLETE DISGUSTING
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WHITE SUPREMACIST IDIOT.
SOME OF THEM CAN BE MOVED.
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NOT MOST.
NOT ALL.
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BUT SOME.
SO I WAS THERE TO MOVE.
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>> NOW, OUR GIRL, SHILLY
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>> NOW, OUR GIRL, SHILL Y
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>> NOW, OUR GIRL, SHILL SHIRLEY
CHISOLM.
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>> SHE'S GIVING YOU FUR,
WONDERFUL STATEMENT, JEWELRY,
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WELL TAILORED SUITS.
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>> SHE'S A PATHFINDER LIKE
YOURSELF.
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>> NO.
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>> YOU ARE THE SHIRLEY CHISOLM
OF "REAL HOUSEWIVES."
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>> I WAS THINKING ROSA PARKS.
I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.
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THE WORK THAT SHIRLEY, ROSA, AND
MYSELF DO IS THE SAME.
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FREEDOM
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>> I LOVE PLAYING ODE TO BLACK
WOMEN.
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LET'S COMPLIMENT ANOTHER BLACK
WOMAN.
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SOMEONE WHO LOVES THEMSELVES
MORE THAN WORDS CAN SAY.
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[ LAUGHTER ]
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>> I THINK EBONI IS QUITE
BEAUTIFUL.
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>> YOU ARE.
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>> IT'S OKAY TO LOVE YOURSELF.
I'M INTO THAT.
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>> NOW THAT YOU UNDERSTAND HOW
DEADLY SERIOUS THESE GAMES ARE,
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I WOULD LIKE TO PLAY THE MOST
ULTIMATE BEAUTY GAME.
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IT'S CALLED BUILD A BABE.
I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU FEATURES
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AND WE'RE GOING TO CONSTRUCT THE
MOST MATHEMATICALLY ATTRACTIVE
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FACE IN AMERICAN HISTORY.
ARE YOU READY TO PLAY?
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OR ARE YOU INTIMIDATED BY A
BLACK WOMAN?
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>> I'M READY.
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>> LET'S START WITH BROW ONE AND
BROW TWO.
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>> THAT BROW.
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>> OKAY.
NOW, NOSES.
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>> THIS IS HARD.
BECAUSE I'M REJECTING A FAR
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ATIVE
ATIA
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ATI ATI
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NARRATIVE THAT TELLS ME THINNER
NOSE IS BETTER NOSE.
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THAT NOSE LOOKS FAKE.
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>> THIS IS A REAL BEAUTIFUL
NOSE.
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NOW, MOUTH.
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>> THAT LOOKS LIKE MY MOUTH.
I DON'T LIKE IT.
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THIS MOUTH.
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>> OKAY, GIRL.
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>> AND THAT LIP COLOR.
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>> OKAY.
NEXT.
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WE HAVE EYES.
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>> I TAKE EYES VERY SERIOUSLY.
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>> ONE.
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>> WOW.
ONE.
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BEAUTIFUL EYES.
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>> THAT'S BEAUTIFUL.
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>> I KNOW.
LASTLY.
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>> I CAN'T STAND YOU ALL.
I'M GOING WITH MY TOP KNOT.
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>> WOW.
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>> YOU GUYS ARE ASS HOLES.
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>> NOW, TELL ME, LIKE WHAT ARE
YOU GETTING FROM THIS BEAUTIFUL
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FACE?
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>> I CAN TELL YOU GUYS PLAYED A
BIG TRICK ON ME.
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THERE ARE SOME THINGS ABOUT ME I
WOULD CHANGE.
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>> YOU HAVE CONSTRUCTED THE MOST
BEAUTIFUL WOMAN IN AMERICAN
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HISTORY WHICH IS TECHNICALLY ME
WITH A TOP KNOT.
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>> IT IS YOU WITH A TOP KNOT.
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>> BUT THIS IS YOU.
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>> THIS IS A NICE LOOKING GIRL
TOO.
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>> I WOULD DATE THIS GIRL.
I WOULD DATE BOTH GIRLS.
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>> I WOULD PREFER THIS GIRL.
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>> I WOULD PREFER THIS GIRL.
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>> SHUT UP, ZIWE.
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>> THANK YOU, EBONI K. WILLIAMS,
YOU ARE SUCH A BRILLIANT, FUNNY
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LADY.
YOU BROUGHT A COPY OF YOUR BOOK
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WITH A CERTIFICATE OF
AUTHENTICITY.
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SO THE STREETS KNOW THAT THIS IS
NOT --
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>> COUNTERFEIT.
THE LAWYER IN ME ALWAYS COMES
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PREPARED.
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>> AND I WILL NEED LEGAL HELP
VERY SOON, I'M SURE.
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NOW, COULD YOU PLEASE SIGN THIS
WITH A MESSAGE, OF COURSE.
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>> OF COURSE.
THANK YOU, MY DEAR.
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>> READ YOUR MESSAGE ALOUD.
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>> WHY DON'T YOU DICTATE, ZIWE.
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>> MISS ZIWE, YOU ARE A PART OF
THE MAIN CAST OF MY LIFE.
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>> OKAY.
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>> THANK YOU FOR BEING BEAUTIFUL
AND SMART, AND ADVOCATING FOR
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THOSE WHO MAY NOT HAVE BEEN
BLESSED WITH YOUR CHARISMA.
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WOW, DOT, DOT, DOT.
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>> I'M WRITING AS FAST AS I CAN.
BEAUTIFUL AND SMART.
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>> YOU ARE A BRIGHT LIGHT IN A
DARK NIGHT.
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>> UH-HUH, I SEE WHAT YOU DID.
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>> LOVE, EBONI K. WILLIAMS.
AND IF YOU COULD JUST HOLD THAT
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UP TO THE CAMERA AS THE PROOF.
WOW.
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR DOING
THE SHOW.
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>> THIS WAS THE BEST.
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>> TRUE BEAUTY COMES FROM
WITHIN.
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IF YOU'RE UGLY IT MEANS YOUR
INSIDES ARE ROTTEN.
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>> USING REGULAR ASS FLOSS?
YOU NEED BLOSS, FOR BLACK WOMEN.
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>> WHERE THE HELL DID YOU COME
FROM?
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>> FROM YOUR MAMA'S BIG BLACK
[ BLEEP ].
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YOU KNOW WHAT AIN'T PLAYING?
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>> SICKLE CELL?
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>> CUT.
LOOK, I JUST DON'T BUY THAT
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YOU'RE BLACK.
LET'S TRY IT AGAIN.
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BUT BLACKER.
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>> COLONIZER, COLONIZER.
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>> BLACK-TION.
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>> WHERE THE HELL YOU COME FROM?
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>> YO MAMA'S BIG BLACK
[ BLEEP ].
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>> CUT.
I NEED IT MORE LIKE, YO MAMA'S
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BIG BLACK PUSSY.
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>> WHAT'S WRONG WITH REGULAR ASS
FLOSS?
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>> REGULAR FLOSS IS FOR WHITE
PEOPLE.
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>> GUYS, CUT THE NUANCE.
MORE HIP-HOP, MORE URBAN,
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PLEASE.
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>> DO YOU HAVE ANY NOTES FOR
THEM?
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ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY?
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>> SAY HELLO TO FRESH WHITE.
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>> NOW A CONVERSATION WITH MY
COMPLICIT WHITE WRITER,
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[ BLEEP ] SCOLLA.
[ BLEEP ] SCOLLA, THAT SKETCH
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WAS ONE OF THE MOST OFFENSIVE
THING I'VE SEEN IN MY ENTIRE
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ADULT LIFE.
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>> YOU TOLD ME TO WRITE THAT.
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>> I DON'T RECALL.
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>> MY FACE IS BLURRED FOR THIS,
RIGHT?
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>> BLUR THEIR FACE.
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>> THANK YOU.
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>> YOU HAVE SOME OF THE MOST
BRILLIANT BLACK TALENT AT YOUR
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DISPOSAL AND YOUR WRITING WORDS
LIKE REGULAR FLOSS IS FOR
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TRIFLING ASS WHITE PEOPLE,
WYIPIO.
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NOBODY TOLD YOU TO WRITE LIKE
THAT.
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>> THAT'S FROM TWITTER, THOUGH.
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>> WHAT TWITTER?
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>> I'VE SEEN IT AROUND.
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>> YOU'VE SEEN IT AROUND
TWITTER?
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>> YEAH.
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>> WHERE AROUND TWITTER?
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>> I GUESS BLACK TWITTER.
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>> DO YOU WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO
THE BLACK COMMUNITY WHILE YOU
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HAVE THE FLOOR?
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>> FOR SOMETHING THAT I DIDN'T
DO?
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>> APOLOGIZE.
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>> I'M SORRY.
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>> I CAN'T ACCEPT THAT APOLOGY
ON BEHALF OF THE BLACK
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COMMUNITY.
BUT NOTED.
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>> DO YOU WANT TO MOVE ON?
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>> OKAY.
WOW.
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I THINK ALL BLACK WOMEN ARE
BEAUTIFUL.
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AND BY BLACK WOMEN I MEAN ME.
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>> THE FOLLOWING VIDEO IS NOT
SUITABLE FOR ANYONE.
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VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED.
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>> EVERYONE KNOWS POP STARS HAVE
TO BE TWO THINGS.
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HOT AND YOUNG.
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>> AND YOU'RE BOTH, GIRL.
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>> THANKS, DADDY.
THIS ONE'S FOR YOU.
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ME NO UNDERSTAND
DADDY'S WEE-WEE IS THE BIGGEST
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PEE-PEE IN MY LIFE
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>> WAIT, WHAT?
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>> THIS IS TERRIBLE.
WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS?
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>> IT'S CULTURAL COMMENTARY ON
HOW POP MUSIC INFANTALIZES
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WOMEN.
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>> UGH.
OH, MY GOD.
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JESUS CHRIST.
YOU'RE MY DIRTY SO YOU HAVE TO
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ROCK ON
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>> I HATE THIS.
BE AFRAID OF COOLIES
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>> ZIWE.
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>> DON'T GET MAD AT ME.
GET MAD AT SOCIETY.
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>> THIS SONG MAKES ME
UNCOMFORTABLE.
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>> GOOD.
IT'S CALLED SATIRE.
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>> I GET WHAT YOU'RE GOING FOR.
PLEASE, NO MORE.
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ZIWE, NEW WORDS.
OH, MY GOD.
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TWINKLE, TWINKLE LITTLE STAR,
I'M YOUR SEX STAR, YES I ARE
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>> SOCIETY IS UGLY, ISN'T IT?
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>> YEP, LESSON LEARNED, THANKS,
ZIWE.
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>> YOU'RE WELCOME.
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>>> DESPITE THE COUNTRY BEING IN
THE MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC,
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PLASTIC SURGERY PROCEDURES ARE
ACTUALLY ON THE RISE.
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THERE IS A LONG HISTORY OF WOMEN
GETTING ELECTIVE SURGERY ON
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TELEVISION SHOWS LIKE "BOTCHED,"
"THE SWAN," AND EVEN "REAL
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HOUSEWIVES."
I STARTED TO FOLLOW IN THE
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FOOTSTEPS OF VICKIE GUNDELSON
AND VISIT ONE OF NEW YORK CITY'S
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PLASTIC SURGEONS.
HI, DR. GREENBERG.
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I'M LOOKING TO GET A WHOLE NEW
FACE, WHOLE NEW BODY.
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FIRSTLY, WHAT AUGMENTATIONS
WOULD YOU RECOMMEND FOR ME?
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00:18:02,624 --> 00:18:06,465
>> ONE OF THE THINGS WE OFTEN DO
IS, SOMETIMES AS WE AGE, NOT
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THAT YOU'RE AGING RIGHT NOW.
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>> HOW OLD DO YOU THINK I AM?
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>> YOU'RE YOUNG.
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>> LIKE HOW LONG?
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>> 24.
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>> GOO-GOO-GA-GA.
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>> NO, YOU'RE LOOKING GREAT.
HOW OLD ARE YOU REALLY?
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>> I'M NOT GOING TO TELL YOU ON
CAMERA.
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>> OKAY.
HOWEVER OLD YOU ARE, I CAN MAKE
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YOU LOOK YOUNGER.
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00:18:26,003 --> 00:18:26,705
>> THANK YOU.
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00:18:27,172 --> 00:18:30,378
>> BY THE TIME YOU'RE DONE,
WE'RE GIVING YOU A BOTTLE.
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IF YOUR NOSE BOTHERS YOU, WE CAN
MAKE SOME CORRECTIONS ON THAT AS
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WELL.
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00:18:35,153 --> 00:18:37,124
>> DOES MY NOSE BOTHER YOU?
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>> DOES IT BOTHER YOU?
326
00:18:42,768 --> 00:18:45,974
>> DOES IT BOTHER YOU?
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>> WE CAN DEFINITELY TWEAK THAT
NOSE TO MAKE IT LOOK MORE
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00:18:50,349 --> 00:18:54,725
REFINED, IF YOU WANT TO LOOK
MORE MODEL-LIKE, WE CAN DO THAT.
329
00:18:54,825 --> 00:18:55,659
>> CAN I TOUCH --
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>> TOUCH MY FACE.
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>> OKAY.
IS TO BRING IN THAT TIP A LITTLE
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BIT.
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00:19:01,170 --> 00:19:01,772
>> OH, MY GOD.
334
00:19:01,872 --> 00:19:03,041
>> A LITTLE BIT MORE REFINED.
335
00:19:03,141 --> 00:19:05,813
>> LIKE A LITTLE BAMBINO.
336
00:19:05,913 --> 00:19:08,852
>> EXACTLY.
AND YOU LOOK EVEN MORE HOT THAN
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00:19:08,952 --> 00:19:17,068
YOU ARE NOW, YOU LOOK LIKE A
MODEL.
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00:19:17,168 --> 00:19:23,346
WE PUT AN ELECTRICAL STIMULATION
PAD ON YOUR BULLITT.
339
00:19:23,447 --> 00:19:25,484
IT GETS YOU FIRM, IT GETS YOU
LIFTED.
340
00:19:25,584 --> 00:19:31,963
>> I DON'T WANT A LIFT BUTT.
I WOULDN'T LIKE A BIG FAT ASS
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00:19:32,063 --> 00:19:36,839
LIKE NICKI MINAJ, SHE HAS THIS
LINE, BIG FAT ASS, LIKE THAT.
342
00:19:36,939 --> 00:19:44,520
I WANT TO LOOK LIKE A DUMB
THICC, T-H-I-C-C.
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00:19:44,620 --> 00:19:47,793
>> WE CAN DEFINITELY MAKE YOUR
BUTT LOOK BETTER.
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00:19:47,894 --> 00:19:50,432
WE'LL PUT SOMETHING IN THERE.
345
00:19:50,532 --> 00:19:54,205
>> AND THEN AS FAR AS BREASTS
ARE CONCERNED, I WANT PEOPLE TO
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STARE.
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00:19:57,211 --> 00:20:00,384
>> YOU WANT HUGE BREASTS?
348
00:20:00,484 --> 00:20:05,628
>> NOT HUGE DISGUSTING.
BUT LIKE --
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00:20:05,728 --> 00:20:06,696
[ PANTS ]
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00:20:06,796 --> 00:20:08,466
>> NO, WE CAN'T HAVE THAT.
WE HAVE TO HAVE NATURAL.
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00:20:08,567 --> 00:20:11,272
>> FINE, WHATEVER.
352
00:20:11,372 --> 00:20:16,482
>> THESE ARE SILICONE GEL BREAST
IMPLANTS.
353
00:20:16,582 --> 00:20:17,016
>> CAN I TOUCH 24
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00:20:17,116 --> 00:20:17,784
>> CAN I TOUCH THIS?
355
00:20:18,051 --> 00:20:19,388
>> YES.
WE USUALLY MAKE A TINY INCISION
356
00:20:19,488 --> 00:20:21,992
UNDER THE BREASTS AND PUT THESE
IN.
357
00:20:22,092 --> 00:20:24,063
HERE'S THE OTHER SIDE.
THERE YOU GO.
358
00:20:24,163 --> 00:20:26,301
>> OH, MY GOD.
THIS FEELS GREAT.
359
00:20:26,401 --> 00:20:28,038
>> IT WAS AS EASY AS THAT.
360
00:20:28,138 --> 00:20:31,878
>> WHAT I REALLY WANT IS, OH, MY
GOD, MY BREASTS IS TOO BIG AND
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00:20:31,978 --> 00:20:35,084
PEOPLE HAVE TO COME TO MY HOUSE
AND CLEAN FOR ME BECAUSE I CAN'T
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00:20:35,184 --> 00:20:36,286
LIFT MY ARMS.
363
00:20:36,386 --> 00:20:37,957
>> WE CAN DO THAT.
YOU LOOK GOOD.
364
00:20:38,057 --> 00:20:41,063
>> THANK YOU.
THEY'RE SOFT.
365
00:20:41,163 --> 00:20:41,964
IT'S LIKE A PILLOW.
366
00:20:42,064 --> 00:20:47,575
>> SO PEOPLE CAN REST THEIR
HEADS ON IT.
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00:20:47,675 --> 00:20:49,378
ALL RIGHT.
COME OVER HERE, WE'LL PUT YOU ON
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00:20:49,478 --> 00:20:50,513
THE COMPUTER.
WE'LL DO SOME IMAGING.
369
00:20:53,686 --> 00:20:55,122
OKAY.
SARAH'S COMING IN.
370
00:20:55,223 --> 00:20:57,093
>> I'M GOING TO MOVE YOU A
LITTLE BIT.
371
00:20:57,193 --> 00:20:58,028
>> YEAH.
372
00:20:58,429 --> 00:21:01,101
>> AND THIS MACHINE IS GOING TO
TAKE A PHOTO OF YOUR FACE.
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00:21:01,201 --> 00:21:01,736
>> YES.
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00:21:02,036 --> 00:21:05,075
>> STAY RIGHT THERE.
LOOK STRAIGHT.
375
00:21:05,175 --> 00:21:10,519
READY?
ALL RIGHT.
376
00:21:10,619 --> 00:21:13,925
SO THIS IS BASICALLY CREATING
YOU IN A 3D IMAGE.
377
00:21:14,026 --> 00:21:16,463
>> THIS IS LIKE THE MATRIX.
TALK ABOUT ESSENTIAL WORKERS.
378
00:21:16,563 --> 00:21:20,872
YOU GUYS ARE REALLY DOING THE
WORK WE NEED TO BE DONE.
379
00:21:20,972 --> 00:21:23,811
>> LET'S CHANGE THE TIP OF HER
NOSE.
380
00:21:23,911 --> 00:21:26,850
>> OKAY.
ALL I KNOW IS, I WANT TO REFINE
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MY NOSE.
382
00:21:27,919 --> 00:21:30,324
>> SO WATCH THE TIP CLOSELY.
THIS IS NORMAL.
383
00:21:30,424 --> 00:21:31,092
>> OKAY.
384
00:21:31,192 --> 00:21:33,028
>> NOW, THIS IS NICE AND
REFINED.
385
00:21:33,128 --> 00:21:34,164
>> THAT'S REFINED.
386
00:21:34,265 --> 00:21:35,199
>> THAT'S REFINED.
387
00:21:35,299 --> 00:21:37,805
>> THAT'S REFINED.
WE CAN ALSO LOOK AT THE CHIN.
388
00:21:37,905 --> 00:21:39,675
SOMETIMES PEOPLE HAVE A REALLY
RECEDED CHIN.
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00:21:39,775 --> 00:21:42,313
>> OKAY.
SICK.
390
00:21:42,413 --> 00:21:44,184
>> THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF
PROJECTION THERE.
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00:21:44,284 --> 00:21:47,757
>> SO WHEN I DO A CHIN IMPLANT,
I PUT A LITTLE INCISION UNDER
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HERE AND PUT THE CHIN IMPLANT
RIGHT THERE.
393
00:21:50,128 --> 00:21:54,403
>> OKAY.
AND WHAT ABOUT THE CHEEKS?
394
00:21:54,503 --> 00:22:00,882
>> PUT SOME FILLER IN HERE.
395
00:22:00,982 --> 00:22:05,692
>> AND DO YOU DO TANNING AT ALL,
WHAT KIND OF COLOR CAN WE ADD?
396
00:22:05,792 --> 00:22:06,459
>> WE CAN'T CHANGE YOUR COLOR.
397
00:22:06,559 --> 00:22:07,194
>> BLACK IS BEAUTIFUL.
398
00:22:07,294 --> 00:22:11,503
>> EXACTLY.
YOU LOOK AWESOME.
399
00:22:11,603 --> 00:22:12,338
>> THANK YOU.
400
00:22:12,438 --> 00:22:14,074
>> NICE AND REFINED.
401
00:22:14,174 --> 00:22:16,646
>> LOOKS LIKE YOU BUT BETTER, I
GUESS.
402
00:22:16,746 --> 00:22:17,580
>> ME BUT BETTER.
403
00:22:17,681 --> 00:22:19,785
>> I DON'T THINK THERE IS A
BETTER.
404
00:22:19,886 --> 00:22:21,789
>> NO, ME BUT BETTER.
405
00:22:21,889 --> 00:22:23,793
>> NO, IT'S YOU BUT ALTERED.
406
00:22:23,893 --> 00:22:26,432
>> NO, IT'S ME BUT BETTER.
DR. GREENBERG.
407
00:22:26,532 --> 00:22:29,403
>> NOT NECESSARILY BETTER.
YOU KNOW WHAT, SOMETIMES YOU
408
00:22:29,503 --> 00:22:30,907
JUST LEAVE GOOD ENOUGH ALONE.
409
00:22:31,007 --> 00:22:33,044
>> STOP IT.
410
00:22:33,144 --> 00:22:36,784
>> YOU'RE PERFECT.
YOU LEAVE IT ALONE.
411
00:22:36,884 --> 00:22:43,665
[ LAUGHTER ]
412
00:22:43,765 --> 00:22:48,674
>> REFINED.
413
00:22:48,774 --> 00:22:51,413
>> SOMEONE ONCE SAID THAT BEAUTY
IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER.
414
00:22:51,513 --> 00:22:55,654
THAT PERSON WAS HIDEOUS.
415
00:22:55,754 --> 00:22:59,361
>>> NEXT, WE'LL BE JOINED BY
MEDIA PERSONALITY AND ATTORNEY
416
00:22:59,461 --> 00:23:03,669
RACHEL LINDSEY WHO WAS THE FIRST
BLACK BACHELORETTE.
417
00:23:03,769 --> 00:23:04,838
THANK YOU FOR DOING THE SHOW.
418
00:23:04,938 --> 00:23:07,309
>> SO NICE TO MEET YOU, THANK
YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME.
419
00:23:07,409 --> 00:23:10,782
>> SO YOU HAVE DONE THE BRAVE
AND IMPORTANT WORK OF MARRYING A
420
00:23:10,884 --> 00:23:15,726
WHITE MAN WHO TOUCHED YOUR WEE
FIVE DAYS INTO THE RELATIONSHIP.
421
00:23:15,826 --> 00:23:17,730
HOW DID YOU TEACH HIM TO BE A
BLACK HAIR ALLY?
422
00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:19,867
>> I JUST HAVE TO BE VERY UP
FRONT WITH HIM.
423
00:23:19,967 --> 00:23:24,209
I HAD TO GIVE HIM A CRASH
COURSE.
424
00:23:24,309 --> 00:23:28,817
THAT MEANT, THAT IS A WEAVE, NOT
A WIG.
425
00:23:28,918 --> 00:23:34,194
I LET HIM TAKE MY WIG OFF AND
RUN HIS FINGERS THROUGH MY CORN
426
00:23:34,295 --> 00:23:36,566
ROWS.
I LET HIM GREASE MY SCALP.
427
00:23:36,666 --> 00:23:40,072
>> THAT'S ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL.
I'M MOVED.
428
00:23:40,173 --> 00:23:45,249
I HOPE I CAN FIND SOMEONE TO
GREASE MY SCALP AS WELL SOMEONE
429
00:23:45,349 --> 00:23:46,719
DAY.
WHAT COLOR IS THE SATIN BONNET
430
00:23:46,819 --> 00:23:47,921
YOU WORE EVERY NIGHT?
431
00:23:48,021 --> 00:23:53,732
>> I WORE A MULTICOLORED SILK
SCARF, CHANGED IT UP A BIT,
432
00:23:53,832 --> 00:23:57,439
BROWN, GREEN, BLUE.
IT WAS A FANTASY SUITE.
433
00:23:57,540 --> 00:23:58,341
>> YOU REALLY DID?
434
00:23:58,441 --> 00:24:01,680
>> YES.
YOU TRY TO MARRY ME, YOU NEED TO
435
00:24:01,780 --> 00:24:05,521
KNOW WHAT I'M REALLY ABOUT.
THIS IS RACHEL.
436
00:24:05,622 --> 00:24:09,328
>> THIS IS ROSA PARKS.
YOU ARE THE ROSA PARKS OF
437
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ACCOMPLISHMENTS WHEN IT COMES TO
BEAUTY STANDARDS IN REALITY TV.
438
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,472
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE FACT
THAT ALL THREE OF THE BLACK
439
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BACHELORS AND BACHELORETTES HAVE
ALL ENDED UP WITH, YOU KNOW,
440
00:24:17,811 --> 00:24:20,216
PARTNERS WHO WERE NOT OF COLOR?
441
00:24:20,317 --> 00:24:21,519
>> YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT
QUESTION.
442
00:24:21,619 --> 00:24:24,925
IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WAS
WORRIED ABOUT BEFORE I WENT ON
443
00:24:25,026 --> 00:24:28,298
THE SHOW.
I THINK I GOT A LITTLE BIT MORE
444
00:24:28,399 --> 00:24:30,636
GRACE BECAUSE I WAS THE FIRST
AND PEOPLE WERE JUST EXCITED
445
00:24:30,736 --> 00:24:33,007
THAT A PERSON OF COLOR WAS IN
THIS ROLE.
446
00:24:33,107 --> 00:24:36,682
BUT THEN I THINK WHEN THE NEXT
PERSON CHOSE SOMEONE THAT WASN'T
447
00:24:36,782 --> 00:24:40,856
BLACK AND BY THE TIME WE GOT TO
THE THIRD ONE, IT WAS LIKE, YOU
448
00:24:40,956 --> 00:24:43,294
KNOW WHAT, THEY'RE JUST NOT
GOING TO CHOOSE ANYBODY THAT'S
449
00:24:43,394 --> 00:24:45,398
BLACK.
THIS IS WHAT I'LL SAY TO THAT.
450
00:24:45,498 --> 00:24:50,374
ONE, I THINK IT JUST SHOWS HOW
UNFAIRLY PEOPLE OF COLOR ARE
451
00:24:50,474 --> 00:24:52,979
HELD TO CERTAIN STANDARDS THAT
THEIR WHITE COUNTERPARTS AREN'T.
452
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,217
ON THE OTHER HAND, I WILL SAY
IT'S A CASTING ISSUE.
453
00:24:55,317 --> 00:25:00,761
THERE WAS A POINT WHERE I BROKE
DOWN ON CAMERA AND THEY USED MY
454
00:25:00,861 --> 00:25:04,802
TEARS FOR SOMETHING ELSE BUT I
WAS GETTING UPSET AT THE
455
00:25:04,902 --> 00:25:09,711
SELECTION OF MEN OF COLOR.
AND I ALSO LEARNED, AS I WAS
456
00:25:09,811 --> 00:25:14,353
GOING THROUGH MY SEASON, THAT
SEVERAL OF THE BLACK MEN ON MY
457
00:25:14,453 --> 00:25:16,157
SEASON DIDN'T DATE BLACK WOMEN.
458
00:25:16,257 --> 00:25:16,692
>> REALLY?
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00:25:16,792 --> 00:25:19,530
>> SO THERE'S THAT.
460
00:25:19,630 --> 00:25:21,567
>> LET'S UNPACK THIS.
461
00:25:21,667 --> 00:25:22,770
>> MM-HMM.
462
00:25:22,870 --> 00:25:25,675
>> HOW DID YOU DO THIS, TELL ME
EVERYTHING.
463
00:25:25,776 --> 00:25:29,249
>> SO THE SHOW FOUND IT
INTERESTING, WOW, THIS GUY HAS
464
00:25:29,349 --> 00:25:30,986
NEVER DATED A BLACK WOMAN
BEFORE.
465
00:25:31,086 --> 00:25:33,957
I SAID, YOU THINK THAT'S
INTERESTING, THAT'S MY LIFE, I
466
00:25:34,058 --> 00:25:36,162
LIVE THAT, THAT'S WHY I'M
SPEAKING OUT THAT YOU DON'T NEED
467
00:25:36,263 --> 00:25:39,602
TO DIVERSIFY JUST YOUR CAST AND
YOUR LEADS, YOU NEED TO
468
00:25:39,702 --> 00:25:41,840
DIVERSIFY THE PEOPLE BEHIND THE
CAMERA.
469
00:25:41,940 --> 00:25:45,580
>> DO YOU HAVE ANY ADVICE FOR
BLACK WOMEN WHO ALSO WANT TO
470
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:52,226
BREAK BOUNDARIES AND BE IN THE
FANTASY SUITE, WHAT WOULD YOU
471
00:25:52,326 --> 00:25:52,928
TELL THEM?
472
00:25:53,028 --> 00:25:55,499
>> WHAT OF THE FANTASY SUITE?
473
00:25:55,599 --> 00:26:01,244
>> YOU'RE GIVING A LOT OF OVER
THE PANTS HAND JOBS IN THE
474
00:26:01,344 --> 00:26:04,984
FANTASY SUITE.
ANY BLACK WOMEN HOPING TO ASPIRE
475
00:26:05,084 --> 00:26:08,390
TO BLACK BACHELORETTE STATUS,
HOW WOULD YOU GUIDE THEM?
476
00:26:08,490 --> 00:26:12,198
>> IF YOU'VE MADE IT THAT MANY
WEEKS AWAY FROM THE TELEVISION,
477
00:26:12,298 --> 00:26:14,569
THE INTERNET, YOUR PHONE, YOUR
FAMILY AND FRIEND, GO FOR IT,
478
00:26:14,669 --> 00:26:17,341
GIRL.
DON'T LOOK BACK.
479
00:26:17,442 --> 00:26:19,946
>> DON'T LOOK BACK.
DON'T LOOK DOWN EITHER.
480
00:26:20,046 --> 00:26:23,753
SO EARLIER THIS YEAR, YOU
INTERVIEWED CHRIS HARRISON ON
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00:26:23,853 --> 00:26:29,297
EXTRA TV WHERE HE DEFENDED
RACHEL CURCONNELL WHO WAS
482
00:26:29,398 --> 00:26:30,834
CRITICIZED FOR ATTENDING AN OLD
SOUTH PARTY.
483
00:26:30,934 --> 00:26:35,042
>> IS IT A GOOD LOOK IN 2018 OR
IS IT NOT A GOOD LOOK IN 2021?
484
00:26:35,142 --> 00:26:37,780
>> IT'S NOT A GOOD LOOK EVER.
485
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:43,625
>> EVENTUALLY HE APOLOGIZED FOR
DEFENDING CURCONNELL BUT THIS
486
00:26:43,725 --> 00:26:47,432
PROMPTED YOU TO DEACTIVATE YOUR
INSTAGRAM BECAUSE THE BACHELOR
487
00:26:47,532 --> 00:26:50,505
NATION FANS WERE LEAVING
HORRIBLE COMMENTS.
488
00:26:50,605 --> 00:26:53,444
WHAT DOES THE BACHELOR NATION
FANS OFFER OTHER THAN HATE MAIL
489
00:26:53,544 --> 00:26:54,813
AND RACIST COMMENTS?
490
00:26:54,913 --> 00:26:57,184
>> I FIND MYSELF ASKING THATCH
ALL THE TIME.
491
00:26:57,284 --> 00:27:00,424
I THINK WHAT I WAS EXPERIENCING
AFTER THE CHRIS HARRISON
492
00:27:00,524 --> 00:27:03,596
INTERVIEW WERE PEOPLE WHO DID
NOT WATCH THE SHOW.
493
00:27:03,697 --> 00:27:06,836
THEY WERE JUST AFFILIATING MY
NAME IS CANCEL CULTURE WHICH WAS
494
00:27:06,936 --> 00:27:08,873
NOT WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT
INTERVIEW.
495
00:27:08,974 --> 00:27:12,647
BUT I ALSO RECEIVED A LOT OF
SUPPORT.
496
00:27:12,747 --> 00:27:16,121
SOMETIMES, THOUGH, YOU JUST
DON'T SEE THAT OR HEAR THAT AS
497
00:27:16,221 --> 00:27:18,525
LOUDLY AS YOU DO THE NEGATIVE
SIDE OF THINGS.
498
00:27:18,625 --> 00:27:22,633
>> SO WHEN I THINK OF OTHER
BACHELORETTES IN HISTORY,
499
00:27:22,734 --> 00:27:25,171
THEY'VE BEEN SPIN INSTRUCTORS,
THEY'VE BEEN PUBLICISTS.
500
00:27:25,271 --> 00:27:27,977
YOU ARE AN ACCOMPLISHED
ATTORNEY.
501
00:27:28,077 --> 00:27:31,350
WHEN YOU WERE BEING CAST FOR
"THE BACHELOR," DID THE CASTING
502
00:27:31,450 --> 00:27:34,288
CALL SPECIFICALLY SAY MEMBER OF
THE TALENTED TEN?
503
00:27:34,389 --> 00:27:39,900
>> I THINK THEY CHOSE ME BECAUSE
I CHECKED ALL THE BOXES.
504
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:44,842
I WAS OLDER, I HAD A CAREER, MY
DAD IS A FEDERAL JUDGE.
505
00:27:44,942 --> 00:27:48,850
I THINK FOR THEM, IT WAS LIKE,
WELL, IF WE'RE GOING TO PICK
506
00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:51,722
THIS PERSON, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE
A PERSON OF COLOR FOR THE FIRST
507
00:27:51,823 --> 00:27:57,634
TIME, SHE'S GOT TO MAKE SENSE,
SHE'S GOT TO BE ACCEPTABLE, SHE
508
00:27:57,734 --> 00:28:00,172
CAN'T BE THREATENING TO OUR LILY
WHITE AUDIENCE.
509
00:28:00,272 --> 00:28:04,346
IT HAS TO BE LIKE, OKAY, I CAN
SEE WHY YOU PICKED HER, SHE'S A
510
00:28:04,447 --> 00:28:05,248
GOOD BLACK GIRL.
511
00:28:05,348 --> 00:28:07,186
>> WERE YOU A THREAT TO BACHELOR
NATION?
512
00:28:07,286 --> 00:28:10,592
DO YOU THINK THEY REGRET IT, AND
DO YOU REGRET IT YOURSELF?
513
00:28:10,692 --> 00:28:14,432
>> I ABSOLUTELY DON'T REGRET IT.
CHANGED MY LIFE COMPLETELY.
514
00:28:14,532 --> 00:28:18,006
DO I THINK THEY HAVE REGRETS?
YES.
515
00:28:18,107 --> 00:28:20,744
I'M NOT QUITE SURE IF THEY
UNDERSTOOD WHAT THEY WERE GOING
516
00:28:20,845 --> 00:28:23,082
TO GET WITH ME.
I THINK MAYBE THEY THOUGHT
517
00:28:23,182 --> 00:28:26,957
SHE'LL PLAY THE GAME, WHICH I
DID, CONTRACTUALLY, WHEN THAT
518
00:28:27,057 --> 00:28:30,330
CONTRACT WAS UP, YOU KNOW, I
STARTED TO SPEAK OUT ON THINGS
519
00:28:30,430 --> 00:28:31,298
THAT NEEDED TO CHANGE.
520
00:28:31,398 --> 00:28:35,139
>> OKAY.
WHO IS THE HOTTEST IN YOUR HEAD.
521
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:36,876
>> IDRIS ALBA.
522
00:28:36,976 --> 00:28:38,779
>> PERFECT.
THANK YOU, RACHEL, THIS HAS BEEN
523
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,620
FANTASTIC.
IF YOU COULD DO A LEAN-IN,
524
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:43,121
SMILE.
525
00:28:43,221 --> 00:28:44,123
>> CATCH THAT GAP.
526
00:28:44,223 --> 00:28:45,926
>> THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME
TO TALK TO ME.
527
00:28:46,026 --> 00:28:47,663
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING
ME.
528
00:28:47,763 --> 00:28:53,340
LOVE THE INTERVIEW.
YOU'RE GREAT, GIRL.
529
00:28:53,440 --> 00:29:00,988
>> CRACKER, THIS BARN, YO, WHY
DO YOUR TEETH CARE GOT TO BE,
530
00:29:01,088 --> 00:29:04,094
TOO?
BLOSS IS DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY
531
00:29:04,195 --> 00:29:10,373
TO GET RID OF ALL OUR FRIED
CHICKEN CRAVINGS.
532
00:29:10,473 --> 00:29:13,580
>> BLOSSER IS GREAT.
BUY IT.
533
00:29:13,646 --> 00:29:13,813
[
534
00:29:13,813 --> 00:29:17,153
[ LAUGHTER
535
00:29:17,203 --> 00:29:21,753
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