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>>> TODAY ON "ZIWE," I'LL BE TALKING ABOUT BEAUTY STANDARDS.

SOCIETY'S BEAUTY STANDARDS HAVE CHANGED OVER THE YEARS BUT THE

ONE CONSTANT IS UPHOLDING A STANDARD THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO

ACHIEVE. THIS HAS LED TO AN OBSESSION

WITH PLASTIC SURGERY. IN THE U.S. ALONE, NEARLY 20

MILLION COSMETIC PROCEDURES ARE PERFORMED EVERY YEAR.

THIS IS PARTICULARLY COMPLIMENTED FOR BLACK WOMEN WHO

ARE CONSTANTLY TOLD IN MEDIA THAT THEIR FEATURES ARE NOT

DESIRABLE. EBONI K. WILLIAMS IS THE FIRST

BLACK HOUSEWIFE OF "REAL HOUSEWIVES OF NEW YORK" SO I

INVITED THE ICONIC AUTHOR AND BEAUTY EXPERT TO THE SHOW.

YOU LOOK ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS. SHE TALKS ABOUT COLORISM.

>> I WOULD CONSIDER MYSELF CARAMEL.

>> HER FAVORITE BODY PARTS.

>> BIG TITTIES.

>> HOW SHE DEALS WITH BEAUTY STANDARD HYPOCRISY.

>> THE LAWYER IN MY ALWAYS COMES PREPARED.

>> AND SO MUCH MORE.

>> IT'S VERY CONTROVERSIAL.

>> LATER WE TALKED TO RACHEL LINDSEY FOR EVEN MORE INSIGHT.

STAY TUNED. IT'S GOING TO BE ICONIC.

>> SHUT UP, ZIWE.

>> "ZIWE" STARTS RIGHT NOW.

>> PLEASE WELCOME THE BEAUTY QUEEN/FIRST BLACK HOUSEWIFE OF

"REAL HOUSEWIVES OF NEW YORK," EBONI K. WILLIAMS.

PLEASE, SIT DOWN. YOU LOOK ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS.

>> THANK YOU, QUEEN ZIWE.

>> OH, STOP. LET'S TALK ABOUT YOUR OUTFIT.

YOU TALK ABOUT IMPRESSIONS, SO IT ESTABLISHES WHAT PEOPLE THINK

OF YOU AND OPENS THE DOOR FOR YOU TO BE A BEAUTIFUL WOMAN.

TODAY YOU WORE PINK WITH GOLD BUTTONS, WHY THAT FOR ME?

>> I REALLY WANTED TO CONVEY FOR OUR CONVERSATION THE EPITOME OF

FEMININITY.

>> OKAY, STOP.

>> AND POWER.

>> I LOVE THAT FOR MYSELF. THAT'S WHAT I PITCHED THE SHOW

AS.

>> PERFECT. WE'RE ALIGNED.

>> YOU HAVE A BOOK CALLED "PRETTY POWERFUL" WHY DO YOU

THINK OTHER PEOPLE CAN'T BE POWERFUL?

>> UMM, WELL, YOU KNOW, PRETTY IS A DEMOCRATIZED THING NOW.

THANK GOD. ANYBODY CAN PRETTY.

>> ANYBODY CAN BE PRETTY?

>> ANYBODY, CHILD, TRUST ME. IT'S REALLY ABOUT STEPPING INTO

CONTROL AND CONFIDENCE IN YOUR LOOK AND OWNING IT AND ASSERTING

IT. THAT ACTUALLY IS PRETTY.

>> SO DICK CHENEY, PRETTY?

>> WELL, I DON'T SEE ANY INTENTION WITH DICK'S LOOK.

>> KID ROCK, VERY INTENTIONAL WITH HIS LOOK, PRETTY.

>> PRETTY. I'M NOT ATTRACTED TO HIM.

BUT HE'S GOT A DIRECTION. IT'S CONSISTENT.

IT'S WHITE SUPREMACIST. BUT IT'S THERE.

>> INTERESTING, INTERESTING POINT OF VIEW.

NOW, MOTHER TERESA. BEAUTIFUL?

>> I WISH I COULD HAVE SEEN SOME MORE PHOTOS, AND THIS MIGHT JUST

BE MY LACK OF RESEARCH, OF HER IN MAYBE HER YOUNGER DAYS.

>> WOULD YOU SMASH?

>> THAT'S NOT A BAD LOOKING WOMAN.

>> I THINK IT'S DISGUSTING THAT YOU WOULD EVER TALK ABOUT MOTHER

TERESA LIKE THAT. YOU WENT TO CHAPEL HILL.

>> I WENT IN 2016. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MY MOTHER

DID FOR ME THAT I MOST VALUE IS FOR HOLIDAYS AS A LITTLE GIRL

GROWING UP, I GET THE BARBIES AND THE CABBAGE PATCH DOLLS.

I GOT "THE AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF MALCOLM X," ALL OF THESE THINGS.

>> I ALSO STUDIED AFRICAN-AMERICAN STUDIES.

>> OUR SIMILARITIES ARE --

>> YOU'RE MY TETHER.

>> I'M DARK-SKINNED, YOU ARE BEIGE.

IS THAT THE POLITICALLY CORRECT TERM?

>> THAT'S VERY CONTROVERSIAL.

>> IT IS CONTROVERSIAL. WHERE DO YOU STAND ON THAT?

>> I WOULD CONSIDER MYSELF CARAMEL, CERTAINLY A BROWN

WOMAN.

>> AS FAR AS COLORISM, DO YOU LIKE DARK MEN?

LIKE, WHAT'S YOUR SITUATION?

>> I RUN THE GAMUT. I HAD A VERY LOVING RELATIONSHIP

WITH A DARK-SKINNED HAITIAN MAN. I'VE DATED THE JEWS, NATIVE

AMERICAN, I'VE DONE THAT, MANY, MANY BIRACIALS, LOST MY VIRGIN

AT THIS TO AN EAST INDIAN GUY.

>> THANKS FOR VOLUNTEERING THAT.

>> I DON'T WANT TO LOOKING AT A HO.

>> I'M A VIRGIN, DON'T TELL ANYBODY.

IF YOU WERE TO DECLARE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE IN THE WORLD,

WHO WOULD BE IN THE TOP FIVE OF YOUR LIST?

>> SELMA

>> SELL

>> SELMA HAYEK IS STUNNING TO ME.

I HAD A LOT OF ISSUES AROUND MY BREAST SIZE.

WHEN YOU'RE 14, IT'S NOT CUTE. GUYS ARE NOT LOOKING AT YOU.

THEY'RE STARING AT YOUR BIG TITTIES.

I FELT VERY OBJECTIFIED AND ASHAMED.

>> I WANT TO APOLOGIZE, HERE I AM TRYING TO VILLAINIZE THOSE

WITH BEAUTIFUL, LARGE, PERFECT BREASTS.

SO NO, I WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO ALL MY VIEWERS OUT THERE WHO ARE

VERY CURVY, SORRY.

>> I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE.

>> I'M NOT JEALOUS.

>> OKAY. ALSO, REALLY BEAUTIFUL TO ME,

HALLE BERRY. HALLIE WAS MISS OHIO, USA, FIRST

RUNNER UP TO A BLOND, MISS TEXAS.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HALLIE AND I SHARE.

IN 2009, I WAS FIRST RUNNER UP TO A BEAUTIFUL BLOND AS WELL.

>> PLEASE WELCOME OUR FIRST FINALIST, EBONI WILLIAMS.

>> SHE DID GO ON TO WIN MISS USA, SHOUT OUT TO KRISTEN

DAHLGREN, VERY SWEET GIRL. I KNOW WHAT THAT FEELS LIKE, TO

BE THE BROWN GIRL, HOLDING HANDS WITH THE BEAUTIFUL WHITE BLOND

WOMAN WHO IS IN THIS COUNTRY AND WORLD THE CLASSICAL STANDARD OF

BEAUTY.

>> DAMN, THIS FEELS LIKE A LOT OF TRAUMA.

>> NO, I HAVE REALLY UNPACKED THIS WITH MY THERAPIST, I'M IN A

REALLY GOOD PLACE.

>> NOW, IN YOUR BOOK, "PRETTY POWERFUL," YOU SAY THAT WOMEN

CAN BE BOTH PRETTY AND POWERFUL. BUT SOME POWERFUL WOMEN NEVER

GET THEIR APPRECIATION THEY DESERVE.

I'M GOING TO SHOW A PICTURE OF A POWERFUL WOMAN AND YOU'RE GOING

TO COMPLIMENT HER.

>> ANGELA DAVIS. I THINK ANGELA DAVIS IS WEARING

A CROWN. SHE MIGHT NOT BE A MISS USA.

>> AND THE CROWN IS HER HAIR.

>> YEAH, AND SHE'S DOING MY FAVORITE THING FOR BLACK WOMEN

TO DO, AMPLIFY OUR VOICES.

>> AFRICAN-AMERICAN STUDIES IS JUMPING OUT.

>> GORGEOUS, STUNNING, BEAUTIFUL IN EVERY WAY.

SHE DIDN'T GO INTO THE WHITE HOUSE DEEMED A CLASSICAL BEAUTY.

>> PEOPLE ON SOMEONE'S FORMER NETWORK, FORMER FOX NEWS

CORRESPONDENT, THEY WOULD DRAG THIS BRILLIANT WOMAN.

IN YOUR BOOK YOU TALKED ABOUT HOW YOU WERE THERE TO DISMANTLE.

HOW DO YOU DISMANTLE THE MASTER'S HOUSE WITH HIS OWN

TOOLS?

>> EVERYBODY WATCHING FOX NEWS IS NOT A COMPLETE DISGUSTING

WHITE SUPREMACIST IDIOT. SOME OF THEM CAN BE MOVED.

NOT MOST. NOT ALL.

BUT SOME. SO I WAS THERE TO MOVE.

>> NOW, OUR GIRL, SHILLY

>> NOW, OUR GIRL, SHILL Y

>> NOW, OUR GIRL, SHILL SHIRLEY CHISOLM.

>> SHE'S GIVING YOU FUR, WONDERFUL STATEMENT, JEWELRY,

WELL TAILORED SUITS.

>> SHE'S A PATHFINDER LIKE YOURSELF.

>> NO.

>> YOU ARE THE SHIRLEY CHISOLM OF "REAL HOUSEWIVES."

>> I WAS THINKING ROSA PARKS. I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.

THE WORK THAT SHIRLEY, ROSA, AND MYSELF DO IS THE SAME.

FREEDOM

>> I LOVE PLAYING ODE TO BLACK WOMEN.

LET'S COMPLIMENT ANOTHER BLACK WOMAN.

SOMEONE WHO LOVES THEMSELVES MORE THAN WORDS CAN SAY.

[ LAUGHTER ]

>> I THINK EBONI IS QUITE BEAUTIFUL.

>> YOU ARE.

>> IT'S OKAY TO LOVE YOURSELF. I'M INTO THAT.

>> NOW THAT YOU UNDERSTAND HOW DEADLY SERIOUS THESE GAMES ARE,

I WOULD LIKE TO PLAY THE MOST ULTIMATE BEAUTY GAME.

IT'S CALLED BUILD A BABE. I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU FEATURES

AND WE'RE GOING TO CONSTRUCT THE MOST MATHEMATICALLY ATTRACTIVE

FACE IN AMERICAN HISTORY. ARE YOU READY TO PLAY?

OR ARE YOU INTIMIDATED BY A BLACK WOMAN?

>> I'M READY.

>> LET'S START WITH BROW ONE AND BROW TWO.

>> THAT BROW.

>> OKAY. NOW, NOSES.

>> THIS IS HARD. BECAUSE I'M REJECTING A FAR

ATIVE ATIA

ATI ATI

NARRATIVE THAT TELLS ME THINNER NOSE IS BETTER NOSE.

THAT NOSE LOOKS FAKE.

>> THIS IS A REAL BEAUTIFUL NOSE.

NOW, MOUTH.

>> THAT LOOKS LIKE MY MOUTH. I DON'T LIKE IT.

THIS MOUTH.

>> OKAY, GIRL.

>> AND THAT LIP COLOR.

>> OKAY. NEXT.

WE HAVE EYES.

>> I TAKE EYES VERY SERIOUSLY.

>> ONE.

>> WOW. ONE.

BEAUTIFUL EYES.

>> THAT'S BEAUTIFUL.

>> I KNOW. LASTLY.

>> I CAN'T STAND YOU ALL. I'M GOING WITH MY TOP KNOT.

>> WOW.

>> YOU GUYS ARE ASS HOLES.

>> NOW, TELL ME, LIKE WHAT ARE YOU GETTING FROM THIS BEAUTIFUL

FACE?

>> I CAN TELL YOU GUYS PLAYED A BIG TRICK ON ME.

THERE ARE SOME THINGS ABOUT ME I WOULD CHANGE.

>> YOU HAVE CONSTRUCTED THE MOST BEAUTIFUL WOMAN IN AMERICAN

HISTORY WHICH IS TECHNICALLY ME WITH A TOP KNOT.

>> IT IS YOU WITH A TOP KNOT.

>> BUT THIS IS YOU.

>> THIS IS A NICE LOOKING GIRL TOO.

>> I WOULD DATE THIS GIRL. I WOULD DATE BOTH GIRLS.

>> I WOULD PREFER THIS GIRL.

>> I WOULD PREFER THIS GIRL.

>> SHUT UP, ZIWE.

>> THANK YOU, EBONI K. WILLIAMS, YOU ARE SUCH A BRILLIANT, FUNNY

LADY. YOU BROUGHT A COPY OF YOUR BOOK

WITH A CERTIFICATE OF AUTHENTICITY.

SO THE STREETS KNOW THAT THIS IS NOT --

>> COUNTERFEIT. THE LAWYER IN ME ALWAYS COMES

PREPARED.

>> AND I WILL NEED LEGAL HELP VERY SOON, I'M SURE.

NOW, COULD YOU PLEASE SIGN THIS WITH A MESSAGE, OF COURSE.

>> OF COURSE. THANK YOU, MY DEAR.

>> READ YOUR MESSAGE ALOUD.

>> WHY DON'T YOU DICTATE, ZIWE.

>> MISS ZIWE, YOU ARE A PART OF THE MAIN CAST OF MY LIFE.

>> OKAY.

>> THANK YOU FOR BEING BEAUTIFUL AND SMART, AND ADVOCATING FOR

THOSE WHO MAY NOT HAVE BEEN BLESSED WITH YOUR CHARISMA.

WOW, DOT, DOT, DOT.

>> I'M WRITING AS FAST AS I CAN. BEAUTIFUL AND SMART.

>> YOU ARE A BRIGHT LIGHT IN A DARK NIGHT.

>> UH-HUH, I SEE WHAT YOU DID.

>> LOVE, EBONI K. WILLIAMS. AND IF YOU COULD JUST HOLD THAT

UP TO THE CAMERA AS THE PROOF. WOW.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR DOING THE SHOW.

>> THIS WAS THE BEST.

>> TRUE BEAUTY COMES FROM WITHIN.

IF YOU'RE UGLY IT MEANS YOUR INSIDES ARE ROTTEN.

>> USING REGULAR ASS FLOSS? YOU NEED BLOSS, FOR BLACK WOMEN.

>> WHERE THE HELL DID YOU COME FROM?

>> FROM YOUR MAMA'S BIG BLACK [ BLEEP ].

YOU KNOW WHAT AIN'T PLAYING?

>> SICKLE CELL?

>> CUT. LOOK, I JUST DON'T BUY THAT

YOU'RE BLACK. LET'S TRY IT AGAIN.

BUT BLACKER.

>> COLONIZER, COLONIZER.

>> BLACK-TION.

>> WHERE THE HELL YOU COME FROM?

>> YO MAMA'S BIG BLACK [ BLEEP ].

>> CUT. I NEED IT MORE LIKE, YO MAMA'S

BIG BLACK PUSSY.

>> WHAT'S WRONG WITH REGULAR ASS FLOSS?

>> REGULAR FLOSS IS FOR WHITE PEOPLE.

>> GUYS, CUT THE NUANCE. MORE HIP-HOP, MORE URBAN,

PLEASE.

>> DO YOU HAVE ANY NOTES FOR THEM?

ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY?

>> SAY HELLO TO FRESH WHITE.

>> NOW A CONVERSATION WITH MY COMPLICIT WHITE WRITER,

[ BLEEP ] SCOLLA. [ BLEEP ] SCOLLA, THAT SKETCH

WAS ONE OF THE MOST OFFENSIVE THING I'VE SEEN IN MY ENTIRE

ADULT LIFE.

>> YOU TOLD ME TO WRITE THAT.

>> I DON'T RECALL.

>> MY FACE IS BLURRED FOR THIS, RIGHT?

>> BLUR THEIR FACE.

>> THANK YOU.

>> YOU HAVE SOME OF THE MOST BRILLIANT BLACK TALENT AT YOUR

DISPOSAL AND YOUR WRITING WORDS LIKE REGULAR FLOSS IS FOR

TRIFLING ASS WHITE PEOPLE, WYIPIO.

NOBODY TOLD YOU TO WRITE LIKE THAT.

>> THAT'S FROM TWITTER, THOUGH.

>> WHAT TWITTER?

>> I'VE SEEN IT AROUND.

>> YOU'VE SEEN IT AROUND TWITTER?

>> YEAH.

>> WHERE AROUND TWITTER?

>> I GUESS BLACK TWITTER.

>> DO YOU WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO THE BLACK COMMUNITY WHILE YOU

HAVE THE FLOOR?

>> FOR SOMETHING THAT I DIDN'T DO?

>> APOLOGIZE.

>> I'M SORRY.

>> I CAN'T ACCEPT THAT APOLOGY ON BEHALF OF THE BLACK

COMMUNITY. BUT NOTED.

>> DO YOU WANT TO MOVE ON?

>> OKAY. WOW.

I THINK ALL BLACK WOMEN ARE BEAUTIFUL.

AND BY BLACK WOMEN I MEAN ME.

>> THE FOLLOWING VIDEO IS NOT SUITABLE FOR ANYONE.

VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED.

>> EVERYONE KNOWS POP STARS HAVE TO BE TWO THINGS.

HOT AND YOUNG.

>> AND YOU'RE BOTH, GIRL.

>> THANKS, DADDY. THIS ONE'S FOR YOU.

ME NO UNDERSTAND DADDY'S WEE-WEE IS THE BIGGEST

PEE-PEE IN MY LIFE

>> WAIT, WHAT?

>> THIS IS TERRIBLE. WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS?

>> IT'S CULTURAL COMMENTARY ON HOW POP MUSIC INFANTALIZES

WOMEN.

>> UGH. OH, MY GOD.

JESUS CHRIST. YOU'RE MY DIRTY SO YOU HAVE TO

ROCK ON

>> I HATE THIS. BE AFRAID OF COOLIES

>> ZIWE.

>> DON'T GET MAD AT ME. GET MAD AT SOCIETY.

>> THIS SONG MAKES ME UNCOMFORTABLE.

>> GOOD. IT'S CALLED SATIRE.

>> I GET WHAT YOU'RE GOING FOR. PLEASE, NO MORE.

ZIWE, NEW WORDS. OH, MY GOD.

TWINKLE, TWINKLE LITTLE STAR, I'M YOUR SEX STAR, YES I ARE

>> SOCIETY IS UGLY, ISN'T IT?

>> YEP, LESSON LEARNED, THANKS, ZIWE.

>> YOU'RE WELCOME.

>>> DESPITE THE COUNTRY BEING IN THE MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC,

PLASTIC SURGERY PROCEDURES ARE ACTUALLY ON THE RISE.

THERE IS A LONG HISTORY OF WOMEN GETTING ELECTIVE SURGERY ON

TELEVISION SHOWS LIKE "BOTCHED," "THE SWAN," AND EVEN "REAL

HOUSEWIVES." I STARTED TO FOLLOW IN THE

FOOTSTEPS OF VICKIE GUNDELSON AND VISIT ONE OF NEW YORK CITY'S

PLASTIC SURGEONS. HI, DR. GREENBERG.

I'M LOOKING TO GET A WHOLE NEW FACE, WHOLE NEW BODY.

FIRSTLY, WHAT AUGMENTATIONS WOULD YOU RECOMMEND FOR ME?

>> ONE OF THE THINGS WE OFTEN DO IS, SOMETIMES AS WE AGE, NOT

THAT YOU'RE AGING RIGHT NOW.

>> HOW OLD DO YOU THINK I AM?

>> YOU'RE YOUNG.

>> LIKE HOW LONG?

>> 24.

>> GOO-GOO-GA-GA.

>> NO, YOU'RE LOOKING GREAT. HOW OLD ARE YOU REALLY?

>> I'M NOT GOING TO TELL YOU ON CAMERA.

>> OKAY. HOWEVER OLD YOU ARE, I CAN MAKE

YOU LOOK YOUNGER.

>> THANK YOU.

>> BY THE TIME YOU'RE DONE, WE'RE GIVING YOU A BOTTLE.

IF YOUR NOSE BOTHERS YOU, WE CAN MAKE SOME CORRECTIONS ON THAT AS

WELL.

>> DOES MY NOSE BOTHER YOU?

>> DOES IT BOTHER YOU?

>> DOES IT BOTHER YOU?

>> WE CAN DEFINITELY TWEAK THAT NOSE TO MAKE IT LOOK MORE

REFINED, IF YOU WANT TO LOOK MORE MODEL-LIKE, WE CAN DO THAT.

>> CAN I TOUCH --

>> TOUCH MY FACE.

>> OKAY. IS TO BRING IN THAT TIP A LITTLE

BIT.

>> OH, MY GOD.

>> A LITTLE BIT MORE REFINED.

>> LIKE A LITTLE BAMBINO.

>> EXACTLY. AND YOU LOOK EVEN MORE HOT THAN

YOU ARE NOW, YOU LOOK LIKE A MODEL.

WE PUT AN ELECTRICAL STIMULATION PAD ON YOUR BULLITT.

IT GETS YOU FIRM, IT GETS YOU LIFTED.

>> I DON'T WANT A LIFT BUTT. I WOULDN'T LIKE A BIG FAT ASS

LIKE NICKI MINAJ, SHE HAS THIS LINE, BIG FAT ASS, LIKE THAT.

I WANT TO LOOK LIKE A DUMB THICC, T-H-I-C-C.

>> WE CAN DEFINITELY MAKE YOUR BUTT LOOK BETTER.

WE'LL PUT SOMETHING IN THERE.

>> AND THEN AS FAR AS BREASTS ARE CONCERNED, I WANT PEOPLE TO

STARE.

>> YOU WANT HUGE BREASTS?

>> NOT HUGE DISGUSTING. BUT LIKE --

[ PANTS ]

>> NO, WE CAN'T HAVE THAT. WE HAVE TO HAVE NATURAL.

>> FINE, WHATEVER.

>> THESE ARE SILICONE GEL BREAST IMPLANTS.

>> CAN I TOUCH 24

>> CAN I TOUCH THIS?

>> YES. WE USUALLY MAKE A TINY INCISION

UNDER THE BREASTS AND PUT THESE IN.

HERE'S THE OTHER SIDE. THERE YOU GO.

>> OH, MY GOD. THIS FEELS GREAT.

>> IT WAS AS EASY AS THAT.

>> WHAT I REALLY WANT IS, OH, MY GOD, MY BREASTS IS TOO BIG AND

PEOPLE HAVE TO COME TO MY HOUSE AND CLEAN FOR ME BECAUSE I CAN'T

LIFT MY ARMS.

>> WE CAN DO THAT. YOU LOOK GOOD.

>> THANK YOU. THEY'RE SOFT.

IT'S LIKE A PILLOW.

>> SO PEOPLE CAN REST THEIR HEADS ON IT.

ALL RIGHT. COME OVER HERE, WE'LL PUT YOU ON

THE COMPUTER. WE'LL DO SOME IMAGING.

OKAY. SARAH'S COMING IN.

>> I'M GOING TO MOVE YOU A LITTLE BIT.

>> YEAH.

>> AND THIS MACHINE IS GOING TO TAKE A PHOTO OF YOUR FACE.

>> YES.

>> STAY RIGHT THERE. LOOK STRAIGHT.

READY? ALL RIGHT.

SO THIS IS BASICALLY CREATING YOU IN A 3D IMAGE.

>> THIS IS LIKE THE MATRIX. TALK ABOUT ESSENTIAL WORKERS.

YOU GUYS ARE REALLY DOING THE WORK WE NEED TO BE DONE.

>> LET'S CHANGE THE TIP OF HER NOSE.

>> OKAY. ALL I KNOW IS, I WANT TO REFINE

MY NOSE.

>> SO WATCH THE TIP CLOSELY. THIS IS NORMAL.

>> OKAY.

>> NOW, THIS IS NICE AND REFINED.

>> THAT'S REFINED.

>> THAT'S REFINED.

>> THAT'S REFINED. WE CAN ALSO LOOK AT THE CHIN.

SOMETIMES PEOPLE HAVE A REALLY RECEDED CHIN.

>> OKAY. SICK.

>> THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF PROJECTION THERE.

>> SO WHEN I DO A CHIN IMPLANT, I PUT A LITTLE INCISION UNDER

HERE AND PUT THE CHIN IMPLANT RIGHT THERE.

>> OKAY. AND WHAT ABOUT THE CHEEKS?

>> PUT SOME FILLER IN HERE.

>> AND DO YOU DO TANNING AT ALL, WHAT KIND OF COLOR CAN WE ADD?

>> WE CAN'T CHANGE YOUR COLOR.

>> BLACK IS BEAUTIFUL.

>> EXACTLY. YOU LOOK AWESOME.

>> THANK YOU.

>> NICE AND REFINED.

>> LOOKS LIKE YOU BUT BETTER, I GUESS.

>> ME BUT BETTER.

>> I DON'T THINK THERE IS A BETTER.

>> NO, ME BUT BETTER.

>> NO, IT'S YOU BUT ALTERED.

>> NO, IT'S ME BUT BETTER. DR. GREENBERG.

>> NOT NECESSARILY BETTER. YOU KNOW WHAT, SOMETIMES YOU

JUST LEAVE GOOD ENOUGH ALONE.

>> STOP IT.

>> YOU'RE PERFECT. YOU LEAVE IT ALONE.

[ LAUGHTER ]

>> REFINED.

>> SOMEONE ONCE SAID THAT BEAUTY IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER.

THAT PERSON WAS HIDEOUS.

>>> NEXT, WE'LL BE JOINED BY MEDIA PERSONALITY AND ATTORNEY

RACHEL LINDSEY WHO WAS THE FIRST BLACK BACHELORETTE.

THANK YOU FOR DOING THE SHOW.

>> SO NICE TO MEET YOU, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME.

>> SO YOU HAVE DONE THE BRAVE AND IMPORTANT WORK OF MARRYING A

WHITE MAN WHO TOUCHED YOUR WEE FIVE DAYS INTO THE RELATIONSHIP.

HOW DID YOU TEACH HIM TO BE A BLACK HAIR ALLY?

>> I JUST HAVE TO BE VERY UP FRONT WITH HIM.

I HAD TO GIVE HIM A CRASH COURSE.

THAT MEANT, THAT IS A WEAVE, NOT A WIG.

I LET HIM TAKE MY WIG OFF AND RUN HIS FINGERS THROUGH MY CORN

ROWS. I LET HIM GREASE MY SCALP.

>> THAT'S ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL. I'M MOVED.

I HOPE I CAN FIND SOMEONE TO GREASE MY SCALP AS WELL SOMEONE

DAY. WHAT COLOR IS THE SATIN BONNET

YOU WORE EVERY NIGHT?

>> I WORE A MULTICOLORED SILK SCARF, CHANGED IT UP A BIT,

BROWN, GREEN, BLUE. IT WAS A FANTASY SUITE.

>> YOU REALLY DID?

>> YES. YOU TRY TO MARRY ME, YOU NEED TO

KNOW WHAT I'M REALLY ABOUT. THIS IS RACHEL.

>> THIS IS ROSA PARKS. YOU ARE THE ROSA PARKS OF

ACCOMPLISHMENTS WHEN IT COMES TO BEAUTY STANDARDS IN REALITY TV.

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE FACT THAT ALL THREE OF THE BLACK

BACHELORS AND BACHELORETTES HAVE ALL ENDED UP WITH, YOU KNOW,

PARTNERS WHO WERE NOT OF COLOR?

>> YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WAS WORRIED ABOUT BEFORE I WENT ON

THE SHOW. I THINK I GOT A LITTLE BIT MORE

GRACE BECAUSE I WAS THE FIRST AND PEOPLE WERE JUST EXCITED

THAT A PERSON OF COLOR WAS IN THIS ROLE.

BUT THEN I THINK WHEN THE NEXT PERSON CHOSE SOMEONE THAT WASN'T

BLACK AND BY THE TIME WE GOT TO THE THIRD ONE, IT WAS LIKE, YOU

KNOW WHAT, THEY'RE JUST NOT GOING TO CHOOSE ANYBODY THAT'S

BLACK. THIS IS WHAT I'LL SAY TO THAT.

ONE, I THINK IT JUST SHOWS HOW UNFAIRLY PEOPLE OF COLOR ARE

HELD TO CERTAIN STANDARDS THAT THEIR WHITE COUNTERPARTS AREN'T.

ON THE OTHER HAND, I WILL SAY IT'S A CASTING ISSUE.

THERE WAS A POINT WHERE I BROKE DOWN ON CAMERA AND THEY USED MY

TEARS FOR SOMETHING ELSE BUT I WAS GETTING UPSET AT THE

SELECTION OF MEN OF COLOR. AND I ALSO LEARNED, AS I WAS

GOING THROUGH MY SEASON, THAT SEVERAL OF THE BLACK MEN ON MY

SEASON DIDN'T DATE BLACK WOMEN.

>> REALLY?

>> SO THERE'S THAT.

>> LET'S UNPACK THIS.

>> MM-HMM.

>> HOW DID YOU DO THIS, TELL ME EVERYTHING.

>> SO THE SHOW FOUND IT INTERESTING, WOW, THIS GUY HAS

NEVER DATED A BLACK WOMAN BEFORE.

I SAID, YOU THINK THAT'S INTERESTING, THAT'S MY LIFE, I

LIVE THAT, THAT'S WHY I'M SPEAKING OUT THAT YOU DON'T NEED

TO DIVERSIFY JUST YOUR CAST AND YOUR LEADS, YOU NEED TO

DIVERSIFY THE PEOPLE BEHIND THE CAMERA.

>> DO YOU HAVE ANY ADVICE FOR BLACK WOMEN WHO ALSO WANT TO

BREAK BOUNDARIES AND BE IN THE FANTASY SUITE, WHAT WOULD YOU

TELL THEM?

>> WHAT OF THE FANTASY SUITE?

>> YOU'RE GIVING A LOT OF OVER THE PANTS HAND JOBS IN THE

FANTASY SUITE. ANY BLACK WOMEN HOPING TO ASPIRE

TO BLACK BACHELORETTE STATUS, HOW WOULD YOU GUIDE THEM?

>> IF YOU'VE MADE IT THAT MANY WEEKS AWAY FROM THE TELEVISION,

THE INTERNET, YOUR PHONE, YOUR FAMILY AND FRIEND, GO FOR IT,

GIRL. DON'T LOOK BACK.

>> DON'T LOOK BACK. DON'T LOOK DOWN EITHER.

SO EARLIER THIS YEAR, YOU INTERVIEWED CHRIS HARRISON ON

EXTRA TV WHERE HE DEFENDED RACHEL CURCONNELL WHO WAS

CRITICIZED FOR ATTENDING AN OLD SOUTH PARTY.

>> IS IT A GOOD LOOK IN 2018 OR IS IT NOT A GOOD LOOK IN 2021?

>> IT'S NOT A GOOD LOOK EVER.

>> EVENTUALLY HE APOLOGIZED FOR DEFENDING CURCONNELL BUT THIS

PROMPTED YOU TO DEACTIVATE YOUR INSTAGRAM BECAUSE THE BACHELOR

NATION FANS WERE LEAVING HORRIBLE COMMENTS.

WHAT DOES THE BACHELOR NATION FANS OFFER OTHER THAN HATE MAIL

AND RACIST COMMENTS?

>> I FIND MYSELF ASKING THATCH ALL THE TIME.

I THINK WHAT I WAS EXPERIENCING AFTER THE CHRIS HARRISON

INTERVIEW WERE PEOPLE WHO DID NOT WATCH THE SHOW.

THEY WERE JUST AFFILIATING MY NAME IS CANCEL CULTURE WHICH WAS

NOT WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT INTERVIEW.

BUT I ALSO RECEIVED A LOT OF SUPPORT.

SOMETIMES, THOUGH, YOU JUST DON'T SEE THAT OR HEAR THAT AS

LOUDLY AS YOU DO THE NEGATIVE SIDE OF THINGS.

>> SO WHEN I THINK OF OTHER BACHELORETTES IN HISTORY,

THEY'VE BEEN SPIN INSTRUCTORS, THEY'VE BEEN PUBLICISTS.

YOU ARE AN ACCOMPLISHED ATTORNEY.

WHEN YOU WERE BEING CAST FOR "THE BACHELOR," DID THE CASTING

CALL SPECIFICALLY SAY MEMBER OF THE TALENTED TEN?

>> I THINK THEY CHOSE ME BECAUSE I CHECKED ALL THE BOXES.

I WAS OLDER, I HAD A CAREER, MY DAD IS A FEDERAL JUDGE.

I THINK FOR THEM, IT WAS LIKE, WELL, IF WE'RE GOING TO PICK

THIS PERSON, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PERSON OF COLOR FOR THE FIRST

TIME, SHE'S GOT TO MAKE SENSE, SHE'S GOT TO BE ACCEPTABLE, SHE

CAN'T BE THREATENING TO OUR LILY WHITE AUDIENCE.

IT HAS TO BE LIKE, OKAY, I CAN SEE WHY YOU PICKED HER, SHE'S A

GOOD BLACK GIRL.

>> WERE YOU A THREAT TO BACHELOR NATION?

DO YOU THINK THEY REGRET IT, AND DO YOU REGRET IT YOURSELF?

>> I ABSOLUTELY DON'T REGRET IT. CHANGED MY LIFE COMPLETELY.

DO I THINK THEY HAVE REGRETS? YES.

I'M NOT QUITE SURE IF THEY UNDERSTOOD WHAT THEY WERE GOING

TO GET WITH ME. I THINK MAYBE THEY THOUGHT

SHE'LL PLAY THE GAME, WHICH I DID, CONTRACTUALLY, WHEN THAT

CONTRACT WAS UP, YOU KNOW, I STARTED TO SPEAK OUT ON THINGS

THAT NEEDED TO CHANGE.

>> OKAY. WHO IS THE HOTTEST IN YOUR HEAD.

>> IDRIS ALBA.

>> PERFECT. THANK YOU, RACHEL, THIS HAS BEEN

FANTASTIC. IF YOU COULD DO A LEAN-IN,

SMILE.

>> CATCH THAT GAP.

>> THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO TALK TO ME.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME.

LOVE THE INTERVIEW. YOU'RE GREAT, GIRL.

>> CRACKER, THIS BARN, YO, WHY DO YOUR TEETH CARE GOT TO BE,

TOO? BLOSS IS DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY

TO GET RID OF ALL OUR FRIED CHICKEN CRAVINGS.

>> BLOSSER IS GREAT. BUY IT.

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