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If I had a chance to say,

"Would you want an investigation like that again?

Three homicides, connected with satanic cults?"

I'd say, "Are you crazy?" It destroyed my life.

I got divorced in the process, in the middle of it.

It was... it consumed me.

Carl Drew was initially charged with two murders,

that of Doreen Levesque and Karen Marsden.

Carl Drew was sentenced for all of his natural life to be in prison.

There were many aspects that corroborated Carl's innocence story

that had been omitted

or trampled under at trial.

Leah Johnson was Carl Drew's girlfriend.

And, uh, she had Karen Marsden's ring.

The ring placed Carl at the scene of the homicide.

We tracked down Leah Johnson and she said,

"Oh, yeah, you know, the whole ring story, that's a bullshit story."

Carol Fletcher, she was another prostitute.

We spoke to her several times.

Carol witnessed Robin Murphy killing Karen Marsden.

They have, you know, made their case on Robin being a central figure in this

and her being a main perpetrator instead of a victim.

Robin had a very rough upbringing,

a very troubled, troubled background.

I was molested and raped by Andy Maltais, starting at age 11.

Andy was a pedophile, basically.

He liked young girls.

Andy Maltais... he was gonna give me a ride home.

He repeatedly raped me.

He would drive around and find these young girls.

People like that, they're predators.

I went to the police station and told them about Andy.

They wouldn't even take my statement 'cause I was only 12.

They didn't care.

No.

You had, you know, girls

being exploited and they just weren't particularly concerned

about the exploitation factor of those girls.

Barbara Raposa had gone to high school with Robin Murphy.

I really didn't know much about Barbara until we found her body.

Andy Maltais, I didn't say he murdered Barbara

because of what he did to me, but so that he couldn't do it to anyone else.

And it worked.

Without Robin Murphy, they wouldn't have had a case at all.

How do we know what is the truth today?

I don't think you do.

It does not stand to reason

that one 17-year-old woman

would be at three separate murders

committed by separate men

at separate times in separate places.

It just doesn't make sense.

How can one person be in all these places?

What is she, Forrest Gump?

Lenny Bruce famously said that in the halls of justice

the only justice is in the halls.

And this is one of those cases.

Carl Drew went to prison based entirely on the word of these women

whose stories never matched up, not once, not ever.

Not once on the stand,

not once in interviews with the cops,

nothing added up.

Mike Cutler was appointed to me as an attorney,

and he ended up putting

all this stuff together

and we submitted it in the court, you know?

A motion for new trial

is designed to bring new evidence,

or evidence that wasn't admitted at trial, into court

so that a new trial motion judge can look at that evidence.

And the judge granted that motion.

We were granted the evidentiary hearing.

We produced the evidence.

Everybody who said,

"This is what happened" recanted and said they were coerced.

I got a call from the assistant district attorney.

He called me and asked me, "Could I go to the trial with them?" And I said,

"Yes, it's too important a case to have to retry."

These cases ultimately, unless you have forensic evidence,

uh, come down to a credibility contest.

The witnesses, Fletcher and Johnson, were in tough shape.

Yet, they kept it together and they showed up.

Carol Fletcher, she said, "Carl shouldn't even be in jail at all."

She said, "He wasn't there,

what happened at the trial was that we were all coerced,

we were all threatened. That, you know, they put us in jail or whatever."

She's like, "And, of course, we all have criminal backgrounds,

we were probably all on probation.

And so we just said whatever it was they wanted us to say."

There is some amount of witness manipulation

that a prosecutor is permitted to do.

It's just that telling someone that you're not gonna send them to prison

if they testify for you is, uh, inherently coercive.

Right. Yeah. Yeah.

This is a class issue.

Where poor people go to prison.

They don't have access to defense attorneys,

they don't have people clamoring for their release.

From the very beginning of this case, I've told these people

that I couldn't read and I couldn't write and all that stuff.

And they end up using that and took advantage of that.

Knowing that I couldn't, you know,

I couldn't understand a lot of the stuff that they were telling me about.

This is another example, in this particular case,

you know, we would call it in Boston, here's a poor whiskey tango dude with no family,

and it was very easy to railroad him into prison.

They weren't the greatest witnesses in the world.

They were vigorously cross-examined.

Leah Johnson in particular.

And, as I recall correctly, she was sitting in the back of the courtroom,

she nodded out and I think fell over,

uh, which... certainly didn't enhance her credibility.

All of the people who had been involved in the investigation

were brought out of retirement or located.

All these people were brought back to trial and said, you know,

"These are all drug-addicted street workers, you can't believe 'em."

She was comfortable with us.

We weren't intimidating her. We didn't have any problems with her.

We got along with her very well.

The testimony of Carol Fletcher and originally Leah,

everything fit in with the evidence that we found at the scene.

We did get the rental car that Carol had driven with that group that night

and had it tested by the state police crime lab for blood. Never found any blood.

Well, if they didn't use that vehicle, if they used another vehicle.

They could have gone back the next day.

That's... we didn't find any blood in the car because she was killed outside the car.

And we didn't find any blood in the car because if the story,

the rumors that we heard, that she had been cut up and thrown in dumpsters...

Yes, you are.

-Absolutely.

But if they...

There's no physical evidence at all tying Carl Drew to these crimes.

Not a single iota of physical evidence.

Karen was killed... where she was killed,

off Roberts Street, Family Beach, in Westport.

That's where her clothing was found, that's where her hair was found.

-No.

That should have reopened this case and earned Carl Drew a new trial.

But no one wants to relive this case.

I called Robin Murphy as our witness.

I had her parole hearing in which she said she had lied.

There was a palpable sense of evil in the room.

At least, to my perception.

And she... spit out her testimony.

And she couldn't deny the fact that she had

recanted under oath at the parole hearing.

But she continued to express hostility towards Carl

and tried to say that he had done it,

uh, despite her saying that he hadn't done it.

If there was a new trial granted,

and you can't count on Robin's reliability and testimony,

and Carol is now a defense witness and Leah is a defense witness,

then what evidence do you have?

'Cause there wasn't a shred of actual evidence.

There's no evidence.

There's no evidence that he's guilty.

The only evidence was Robin Murphy and Carol Fletcher

saying that they were there and saw it happen,

uh, and they've both denied it.

I sure thought that, if I had a straight-up judge,

I should have been entitled to the benefit of the doubt.

But I didn't have a straight-up judge.

They just completely shut it down.

Me and Paul and Mike Cutler, we were shocked and amazed.

The judge, um,

who I was trying the new trial motion to,

I later heard rumors was having lunch every day with the former prosecutor on the case,

to be sure that everything was going copacetically.

The judge said, "You know what? A new trial isn't gonna be granted. It's done.

He'll stay in jail forever,

and she'll still be able to go out and get parole if she can.

And that's it. We don't wanna hear it anymore."

It was a fucking huge blunder.

It's been a difficult process for me to get into this case.

A case I worked on for 11 years.

Didn't work out for my client.

Carl's done 40 years for something that he didn't do

and all of these other people have moved on.

Carl's still in prison.

Carl has exhausted his appeals.

He obviously thought he had a good case for an appeal.

That failed. He gets no more bite at the apple.

Unless there's some new evidence that arises.

I lived in Harbor Terrace in the top row, um,

two doors... two entryways down from Sonny.

My father just wasn't in the picture.

And, uh, in the projects that wasn't abnormal.

And my mother, she died June 14, 2013.

And when she passed,

I cleaned out her apartment and I found a baby book

which had like my first steps, when my first steps were,

my first toy, and, um...

And a picture of Carl Drew.

He was the first one to come see me in the hospital.

I found a, uh, a Facebook page that Carl had

and he wanted me to go see him. So I did.

I asked him if he might know who my father is.

Um, and then he ended up telling me there's a chance that he could be my father.

My mother wasn't physically abusive.

You know, but she, uh, you know, she was a drug addict and a prostitute.

And, uh, you know, so I witnessed a lot of like fighting,

a lot of... different stuff, and, uh...

I started acting up in school.

And, um... they, uh...

they recommended they put me in like special needs, um...

They didn't know what was wrong with me, they recommended me to do like counseling.

So when I was probably about, I don't know, five or six,

I had told my mother that, um,

I saw these people up on the roof killing a girl.

I saw three for sure.

I'm pretty sure one is Robin. The other two I'm, uh,

100 percent sure was Sonny and Carl Davis.

-There's a lot of commotion, a lot of screaming.

I don't remember how I got up there.

Just a lot of yelling.

I think I was crying.

No, it's kind of a blur.

She would have been dead.

There was a woman on the roof that...

that Carl Davis was holding back.

Well, Carl Davis was probably pulling, um...

Robin off her.

Karen.

I'm waiting for Carl to call.

Um... he has limited access

to email through a prison system,

so I sent him an email and it takes him a while to get it.

And then I have to wait till he gets phone time.

And then can call me at any minute,

and I just kind of have to be on standby for when he calls.

The witness is interesting 'cause I'm not really sure what to believe.

I mean, aside from the interview, I spent the whole day with him.

You know, I was in Fall River, I spent the whole day with him,

I went to lunch with him, I talked to him, I saw his ID.

So there's no question he is who he says he is.

And I really believe that he believes what he's saying.

There's also the issue of him being presumably Carl's son.

You know, so he has that motivation

to kind of at least tailor his memory to want to help Carl.

I don't think he's doing that on purpose.

But, um, it's possible.

I think the challenge in all this is that everybody has a piece of the puzzle.

And we have to step back and look at all the pieces

and put that together into a collective story.

And that's what tells you what happened.

-Okay. This is Carl.

Hello. This is a prepaid collect call from...

Carl. Hey.

Carl, can you hear me?

Okay, so I met with the witness.

And, um, he told me about the roof of Harbor Terrace.

And I assume he's told you the same thing?

I do think there's another possibility that I wanna ask you about, I guess.

So starting with Doreen Levesque.

She's the girl under the bleachers.

She's killed first.

Doreen Levesque, her head and face were so badly distorted

from the large stones

that they all threw

at her face.

She was tied up with fishing wire.

Her head was crushed with rocks.

She was posed in a sexual position.

This is something that a male serial killer does to a woman, usually.

Then right after Doreen Levesque, like within 25 days, Barbara Raposa is killed.

And those two murders are not just similar.

They are the same.

Her hands were tied behind her back also.

And they had smashed her in the face with a rock

and her face was completely smashed in.

Uh, yes.

What always confused me is that Robin claims

that two different people committed these murders.

Robin said that you killed Doreen Levesque,

and she knows that because Karen told her.

Then she said that Andy killed Barbara Raposa.

Andy Maltais told me a story.

That angels carried him over Barbara while she was being murdered.

Yes, it is. It... it does seem very strange, doesn't it?

You know, Andy, he always said he wasn't there.

I always thought there was something about that that he didn't tell me.

But I couldn't get it out of him.

So I just wanna put this out there.

I think Andy Maltais killed both Doreen and Barbara.

-Stick with me.

So if you look at the location of Barbara and Doreen's murder,

they are within miles of each other.

And Andy Maltais lives directly in the middle of them.

-So that could be a coincidence.

But that would be a huge coincidence

that two young women would be murdered in the exact same way

within six miles of each other and both within two miles of Andy's house.

You met Andy at one point. Right?

Walpole's the name of a prison? Right?

Okay.

Okay. Well, get this. The police knew Andy had a criminal history

that is very similar to these murders.

When I had heard that my dad had raped some woman

and heard that he was a pedophile and mentally unstable, I started researching it.

So I says, "Well, I'm gonna dig a little deeper."

So I called my mother.

She says, "When I got together with your dad,"

she said, "he was just coming out of jail."

I said, "Jail? For what?"

And she says, "Well, he got a charge for rape."

Andy had a background of doing things like that.

He was arrested up in the Freetown State Forest

by the state police back in 1957

for picking up girls from a junior high in Fall River

and taking them up to the, what they call the forest,

attempting to rape or raping the girls.

And my former station commander is one of the people that arrested him.

He did some house of correction time on that.

Back then, things would slip through the cracks.

We didn't have the computer databases that we have today.

People moved from one town to the next. Not just Andy.

And there was really no way to track them. It just simply got overlooked.

Yeah, and the crazy thing is that both Doreen and Barbara

were tied at their hands and ankles

with what they called a white, twisted twine.

And when you look into it more, it was a white fishing line.

And not only is it the same at both murder scenes,

but Andy had that in the trunk of his car when they searched it.

Andy Maltais, he had a bag of tricks

that were all sexual items that he used--

vibrators and rope and handcuffs.

And I spoke to one of his victims,

and she said that Andy would do the same thing to her.

Andy had a freshwater fishing pole. I remember that.

He had rope in his trunk of his car, with his sicko sex toys.

He would use rope on me.

Tie me up, my wrists to my ankles.

I was petrified. I was petrified.

So Andy killing both Doreen and Barbara makes sense.

Especially considering that he was the one who was originally

suggesting that you were the killer of Doreen Levesque.

He knew a state police officer that I had worked with.

And he went to the state police officer

and said he knew something about the Levesque murder.

So I met him one day.

We snuck him into the state police barracks in Dartmouth and talked to him.

And when he got there he said, "Well, I don't really know anything."

Well, yes...

But then he brought Robin and Karen Marsden in.

they came out with the story about Carl Drew having done it.

Andy associated with all those girls--

Barbara, Robin, Karen Marsden.

I never really understood that.

So if Andy killed Doreen and Barbara, that still leaves us with Karen Marsden.

And the thing about Karen is that she had told

lots of people that she witnessed the first murder.

So in that case, Karen saw Andy kill Doreen Levesque

and could potentially testify against him.

And there's actually a record to support that.

Karen's grandmother actually told the Fall River police

that Andy had threatened Karen before she was killed.

Andy told her that he thought he might be arrested for the murder of Barbara.

And that if he was, he felt Karen's safety was in jeopardy.

So Andy had threatened Karen's grandmother

that Karen might be hurt if he was arrested.

And the crazy part is that's exactly what happened.

So the police knew that Andy and Karen had this relationship

and that Andy had threatened Karen, but they never investigated.

They thought Andy had an alibi. They thought Andy was in jail at the time of Karen's murder.

But in Massachusetts at the time, if you were arrested you had to be arraigned

within 24 hours, and Andy's lawyer had arranged for bail.

The first time I met Andy, he was already in court.

He was in the prisoners' area. So I went over. I told him who I was.

Told him to be quiet.

Uh, and, um, I told him we either arrange for bail,

or I'd have to go see him at the jail.

But whatever happened, just to be quiet.

And, um, he was arraigned.

And I did arrange for bail for him.

I even called the Fall River District Court,

and they looked up Andy's records for me,

and they confirmed that Andy was released on February 8th,

hours before the murder of Karen Marsden.

Hello?

Andy Maltais, his general demeanor

was just, um...

almost accepting of his own behavior.

You know, didn't... he didn't see the world the way you and I do.

When you look at the autopsy reports for all three women,

even though they never found Karen's body, they found her skull,

and on Karen's skull there was a crush injury.

Essentially, her skull was crushed kind of right on her left forehead.

Which is exactly the same as the other two murders.

All three women died of a skull fracture with a large, blunt object.

So as far as we know, Karen is killed in the exact same way as Doreen,

the exact same way as Barbara,

and Andy has a motive to kill her and no alibi for her murder.

-So that still leaves us with the witness on the roof

of Harbor Terrace.

Yes. He was not there.

Hundred percent sure he was not on that roof.

I know for a fact that Carl Davis and Sonny was on the roof.

Carl Davis was holding somebody.

And...

I'm pretty sure that... that was Robin.

I mean, there's a lot of possibilities there, right?

Maybe the witness got the day wrong. Maybe he's off by a year.

Maybe he was four, not five.

He wasn't even 100 percent sure that Robin was on the roof.

He said he probably... he said it was probably Robin.

-You'd met Carl Davis, right?

Did you know he was involved with Robin or Karen or Andy?

So I've been talking to Robin, um, through email.

-She gets a limited amount of email at the prison.

And I've really, really been pushing her to let me come back in

and interview her on camera, and she's agreed.

-I have not told her all this.

I have not told her about the witness.

I've not told her all this stuff about Andy.

I don't even know if she knows about Andy's criminal history.

-I want to tell her in person

and give her a chance to either explain herself

or maybe fill in something else that we're missing.

Um, she knew Andy the best out of anyone, unfortunately.

-So I'm gonna fly to Boston

-and go back into the prison...

...and interview her on camera this time.

You have one minute left.

But either way, I mean, to me, I see all this

as just more proof of your innocence.

And so I think we need to get this to someone.

-Okay. Good.

-Thanks, man. Talk to you soon.

There she is.

-Am I turned on? You are.

Okay. -So have you been here for a while?

Well, we got here about noon, so about two hours.

-Yeah. Ready?

So how did you meet Andy in the first place?

Um, Andy gave me a ride one day during a snowstorm.

That's how I met him.

What happened? -Um...

If we could, um...

just move from that, I would appreciate it.

Yeah.

Did you know that Andy had been to prison before he met you?

What? Okay.

I never heard that before until this very moment.

Did you ever suspect that he was involved in the Doreen Levesque...?

-No. -'Cause there are police reports where you

talk about Andy being with Doreen Levesque

and even, um, tell the police that you think Andy killed Doreen Levesque.

-Do you remember that? -I may have felt that way.

Um, I think that period of time involved a lot of, uh,

odd things, a lot of strange things.

Um... uh...

I did my best to sort out what was real and what was scare tactics, I guess.

The specifics and details

about different conversations and things.

Uh, sorry, it was 40 years ago.

Um, kind of hard to keep track of.

It looks to me like he probably killed Doreen Levesque.

Possible. Yes.

The case with Barbara

and Doreen, they are both extremely similar.

When Barbara was missing,

um, he wanted to know if I had seen her

and, uh, he insisted she was missing

and something bad happened to her.

Then he told me about the dream.

He said she was dead, she was tied up,

she was bludgeoned to death with a rock.

He knew everything before they found her.

Everything.

One of the first times you had any contact with police

was when Andy took you and Karen in together, right?

Yes. I know that I thought we were going for one reason,

and it was really something else. It was very odd.

It was very odd. And I do not remember the specifics.

Andy said, "If I'm arrested, something's going to happen to Karen."

Really?

What was Andy's relationship to Karen?

I don't know.

I know that when I was in the hospital,

um, one of the many times I was in the hospital,

Andy came in with Karen, or Karen came in with Andy.

And I was curious how they... what they were doing together.

And she said, "Oh, he just gave me a ride."

Um, I don't know where they met. I don't know any of that.

Did you ever confide in Karen about what had happened with Andy?

-Yes. -What was her reaction?

-Um, I really don't recall. -Yeah.

I know that we, um, we had a few discussions.

I remember seeing him in a one-piece pajama set.

He was knee high to a grasshopper.

I talked to him and he said that

he was on the roof of Harbor Terrace and saw you arguing.

You, Karen, and Sonny, and Carl Davis.

-I have a question, before you go any further. -Yeah, yeah.

His age now versus his age in February of 1980,

is he old enough to be up on a roof?

He would have been extremely young.

It didn't happen.

Um, which is why I just asked you that.

I remember him being really small.

That's why I asked you how old he was.

Um, I've never been on the roof of Harbor Terrace.

So...

I've been to-- I was at Sonny's at 5 Harbor Terrace.

Uh, across the next building down, Carol Fletcher lived there.

Somebody sold me weed once on the second floor of that building.

And a woman by the name of Gail lived in the last building.

That's what I know about Harbor Terrace.

I'm not into closets and rooftops and basements.

I don't know anything about that. I'm sorry.

I told a lot of stories a long time ago.

And I don't tell stories anymore.

Some people continue to tell stories.

I don't know why. I don't know what the cause is.

I don't know if they believe their own lies. I don't know.

Um, but I do know that I'm telling the truth.

Um, and I'm sorry if anyone tries to taint that.

Hm. Andy was actually arraigned on February 8th.

And he was released hours before Karen's murder.

I wasn't aware of that neither.

He was arrested.

I'm telling you all this 'cause I'm wondering

if it triggers anything in your memory?

Like, "Wait a sec. Now I do remember?"

No, you're actually blowing my mind with all this information.

Um, I did not...

know any of it and, uh, wasn't aware of it, certainly.

But I didn't... never even considered it.

What do you think now? Do you think it's possible?

I think that, um...

Do I think it's possible? Anything's possible.

Anything at all is possible.

It seems like he had so little insight

into what he was doing that he'd almost traumatized you

to make you feel like you were complicit in what he was doing.

-Right. -You know, is that... you think that's accurate?

Um, I absolutely do.

Before he passed, he sent me a letter from prison.

And he said he only tried to make a woman out of me.

I think that for someone to say that about an 11-year-old, 12-year-old...

You know, he had a rifle in the trunk of the car.

And he took it out one day and shot at my feet.

And initially I remember feeling like really afraid.

And he was like, "Ah, I was only kidding."

I've never forgotten that.

Uh, and I believe I told the police about that.

Um, and it just didn't matter.

None of that mattered.

And now you're telling me, "Oh, yeah. No, he does that stuff."

What?

That's crazy.

Why didn't he ever kill me?

That is so weird.

When was the last time you saw Karen?

February 8th.

Uh... we parted ways after leaving her son's

foster parents' house.

And that was it? -Never saw her again.

Yeah. -Because I never saw her again...

after going to Sonny's house,

that still haunts me.

A lot.

That's what's so complicated about this entire,

you know, history of the Fall River satanic cult murders.

I mean, who are you gonna believe?

There may be things that I don't wanna talk about, but that's for personal reasons.

Not because I have anything really to hide.

Um... but I...

I've been telling the truth for a long time.

It's not sensational.

You know, they let this girl, Robin Murphy,

manipulate them for her own gain. You know what I mean?

Like I said, and I want that story out there that, you know what I mean?

By her own volition, she admitted that she lied and she made this stuff all up.

The DA acquiesced

to the need for public closure

and didn't necessarily have the interest of justice at heart.

When we find that injustice has been done,

somebody's been wrongly accused, I think we have to commit ourselves

a thousand percent to trying to right that wrong,

to undo the damage, to restore reputations,

to make things whole again.

At the present moment, uh, we have 43 domestic cases of the coronavirus.

Six Americans have lost their life to the coronavirus.

And on behalf of the president and all of the American people,

we extend our deepest condolences.

Because of the president's strong leadership

and all of the hard work that our public health professionals have done

at the local, the state, the federal level,

the immediate risk to any individual American has been and does continue to be low.

What's going on? Are you locked down or...?

Yeah, they only let us out for a half hour a day.

You know, so... yeah.

We've already seen 126,000 deaths with infection rates rising rapidly.

It's going to disappear. One day, it's like a miracle. It will disappear.

So did Carl Drew belong in prison for what he did as a pimp? Absolutely.

Does he belong in prison on the word of a liar with no physical evidence?

Maybe. But at the very least, we should be giving him an opportunity

to be retried with a fair trial and an adequate counsel.

No question in my mind that he is not innocent.

He committed the crimes. He was present.

He committed the crimes.

I believe justice was served.

My first impression was that the case, um,

at trial appeared to be a mess.

And then as we looked into more evidence,

it seemed to raise a lot of red flags and a lot of questions.

I think that the evidence that Carl has uncovered

over the past 30-plus years

and that this documentary has uncovered,

uh, is compelling and significant evidence

that, um, Carl did not commit this crime.

I think that it's worthy to take a look at this case

and to raise some real questions about how something like this

could be prosecuted in the manner that it was.

Legally, Carl is in a tricky situation

because he has to find more evidence and new evidence

and evidence that's different than what was presented in the motion in 2004.

But I think that there is evidence that has been uncovered that is different.

Robin Murphy's statement that she also, uh,

was told on the day of trial by the prosecutor

that she needed to testify to what they agreed to,

even after she was trying to tell them that she lied,

I think is very compelling.

I'm concerned about getting a judge to take it seriously.

Um, being that judge had already discredited Robin Murphy.

But on top of that, from the... what this documentary has uncovered,

um, is that in the police's investigation into the Barbara Raposa murder,

against Andre Maltais,

the police had arrested Andre Maltais in the past,

um, for committing crimes with very similar MO,

very similar method to the way that Doreen Levesque was killed.

This information about Andre Maltais was never turned over to Carl or his defense team.

Before a person is convicted, the defense is supposed to receive all evidence

that is both against them and evidence that may show that they didn't commit the crime.

And when evidence isn't turned over,

the law, uh, essentially supports Carl saying,

"How was I supposed to know that it existed?"

Carl Drew, I think it's hard for him to dispute

that he was a pimp who prostituted little girls.

However, the people who belong in prison have to be put there in the correct way

according to the rule of law.

To overturn his conviction,

I have to show that all of this information

might have made a difference to the jury.

That it would have been a significant factor as they tried to determine,

"Did Carl commit this crime or did someone else?"

One big thing that Carl was lacking was significant evidence of a third-party culprit,

of the other person who may have actually killed her.

And it seems clear from what the documentary has uncovered

that this information about Andre Maltais,

that might be a basis to get Carl back into court

and to overturn his convictions.

We need to file a motion for a new trial.

Robin's history of trauma and also going to prison

at 17, 18 years old and serving most of her life in confinement,

you know, is traumatic in and of itself.

So it's trauma after trauma after trauma and a coping mechanism,

you know, to deal with all of that, you know,

I think she doesn't trust people so therefore she comes off as untrustworthy,

um, to the parole board.

You've woven this web of deceit

and storytelling that...

I can't make heads or tails of what...

even the surface of the truth is in this case.

I think it's evident that she was an abuse victim,

um, by multiple people.

You know, she may have had street smarts,

but that doesn't mean that she had common sense

or that she had the emotional maturity to deal with, you know,

what was going on around her.

I think she deserves re-parole.

Here's what's so sad about this case.

What you absolutely know for a fact

is that you had these men who were victimizing teenage girls.

I mean, that alone should have

provoked some sort of investigation.

These were all girls that should have been offered some sort of protection.

I think what you're doing and what your team's doing here

is the only way, is to shed some light onto it.

Maybe, you know, there's some people

who were former district attorneys

who, you know, feel bad about it.

Maybe there are some people who worked on the case

who would like to make things right.

And if 100,000 people or so see this,

or people in Fall River realize that, hey,

"I think it warrants an investigation into it.

Go ahead, let's test the shit. Why not?"

Why not look up the cases, do due diligence?

And, uh, just get to the truth of the situation.