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They had a series of murders

during a satanic ritual in the woods.

Carl Drew was initially charged with two murders.

That of Doreen Levesque and Karen Marsden.

There's no physical evidence at all tying Carl Drew to these crimes.

That night that she was supposed to have been killed,

I was at my stepmother's wedding.

I had photos of me there.

Robin was also indicted for murder.

She turned state's evidence.

Robin was only 17 years old at the time.

Robin was caught in the middle of all of this.

The bottom line is that Carl was a pimp,

and Robin Murphy, she was trying to be a pimp,

at this time, in the same area as Carl.

Robin wanted control. She didn't want to be a prostitute.

Robin could eat pizza and kill you right after that.

You know, Robin is the one who was the main character in putting him away.

Robin Murphy came before the state parole board

and admitted to them that she had lied.

Robin masterminded all of this.

You know, you have to give credit to Robin Murphy.

The only thing you can say is that she's a lot smarter

than all the fucking people involved in the case.

And now I'm just not gonna lie anymore.

The stories I told, I wanna take personal responsibility for.

I'm not looking to say, "Oh, well, the DA did this

and the police officers did that." I'm not doing that.

I tried really hard numerous times to tell the truth.

No one cares.

I wish that people really knew what really happened.

I thought I was all grown up at a very young age.

Probably because of the things that happened didn't allow me to be a kid.

Robin had a very traumatic childhood.

Um, from, I would say, pre-teen years on.

I think she kind of fell through the cracks.

Nowadays, I think Department of Children and Families

would be involved.

And unfortunately, that wasn't the case

back in, you know, the '70s.

I met Robin Murphy.

She was 12 and I was 12.

My family pretty much fell apart when I was ten.

My father became a very abusive alcoholic.

I ran away.

She gave her mom a phone call. Her mother didn't even know me.

And she let me stay at that house.

I met her when I was, yeah, when I was about 12.

I felt bad for her.

Wanted my mother to take her in.

I think her mother was working at a bar.

There was no, uh, no parent in that house at all. There was no parent.

Like, altogether, I probably saw her mother when I was living there

like five times.

With pretty much having an absent parent,

yeah, I kinda had to make my own decisions.

And I realized there was nobody there.

So... there was that clingy thing to whoever was there.

Her father was living on County Street in Fall River.

And twice I walked from one side of the city

with Robin 'cause she wanted to see her dad.

I told my mother I wanted to go live with my father at one point.

Her dad wouldn't even open the door, said, "Go away, I'm married."

She wanted to be accepted by her dad.

And her dad certainly didn't accept her.

I was like, yeah, no, I don't do this anymore.

Robin was like the head of the household at 12.

She was-- she'd be the one cooking that terrible chicken with those russet potatoes

and a can of corn every damn night.

Robin had three brothers.

Bobby, the oldest brother, um,

Mark,

and Kelly.

She was just totally on her own.

12 years old, you know, Bobby, her brother Bobby,

used to rape her, and nothing...

Yeah, everything was always hush-hush. Everything was hush-hush back then.

She said, "I don't wanna get pregnant from my brother.

My mom... my mom won't love me anymore."

I think, with Robin,

I think there's a denial factor.

And maybe at that age, not even knowing it's... it's wrong.

You know, maybe having an inkling that this is inappropriate.

But not really understanding the gravity of what was happening.

Did you, uh, try and talk to people about it?

-I did. Deaf ears. -Yeah.

Um, my oldest brother acted like things never happened.

Bobby was older than Robin. His birthday was in November.

That's all I remember. But he was 16. Yeah.

Four years older than Robin.

I think, as far as parenting goes, on my mother's side,

she did her best with what she had.

That's it. How do you deal with things? I think in her generation,

you dealt with things by sweeping them under the carpet.

You don't take them out into, you know, to other people.

I met Robin, I wanna say I was 16 or 17 years old.

Which makes this young lady 11 or 12.

Very young.

I had seen her around town in Fall River.

Because I wasn't too far away from Fall River,

and I had some friends in Fall River, you know.

And I had family members that were in Fall River.

So I would see her here and there.

And I had heard conversations about her being around in my father's life.

Andy Maltais, he was very active on the street.

I was in front of the Superior Court House.

Um, lived near there, about half a block.

And he gave me a ride down the street.

Um... 11?

Andy was the strangest character probably of all.

Uh, you could walk the streets

of Fall River for a month,

and you will not see anyone with cowboy boots

and a buckle that says "Texas" on it and pill buttons.

Andy Maltais was dressed that way.

He did wear boots and he did have a big, I guess, western belt buckle.

I don't know exactly how to describe him. We didn't... we didn't go out to dinner.

He was a character. He was a character.

He was an older guy.

He lived with his mother, first of all.

And he was like, uh, a wimpy guy.

I don't think anyone thought much of Andy.

I was molested and raped by Andy Maltais,

starting at age 11.

I wasn't performing cult meetings in the Freetown State Forest.

Andy was molesting me in the Freetown State Forest.

She just ended up, I think, being revictimized over and over and over.

Starting at 11.

Andy was a pedophile, basically.

He liked young girls.

He would drive around and find these young girls.

And people like that, they're predators.

He had a pattern of what we would now say is grooming.

You know, get in her good graces and get her things and take her around and,

you know, eventually sexually abuse her.

He actually took me to meet his mother at one point.

Which I found very weird.

My dad was always a part of my life,

whether he was home or not home.

My mom and him separated

because my dad would like to go out at night.

He liked younger women. I mean, I don't know what to tell you.

But that was just his thing.

I know that at one point,

the school that I was going to...

Maybe I was in... jeez.

Seventh grade?

The school called my mother and wanted to know

who the man was in the red car

that was waiting for me every day.

And that was Andy Maltais.

My mother asked me and I told her it was none of her business.

And that was good enough.

I don't know if it's she didn't care

or she just didn't know what to do about it.

No one stood up for her. You know, she kind of had to learn to handle things by herself.

Um, and had a very skewed view of what's appropriate and what's not appropriate

and very limited trust in people.

Robin Murphy tried to find other victims.

So she... would not have to have any kind of sexual relationship with Andy Maltais.

Andy Maltais, he was gonna give me a ride home.

And she told me he'd be safe and he wasn't.

He raped me.

Repeatedly.

Nobody knows. I guess everybody who's watching it is gonna know about me now.

But it's okay.

He tied my hands behind a...

pine tree.

And he was masturbating.

And then broke my virginity.

And then he put a stick in my vagina...

and told me if I said anything,

my parents and my sister were gonna be dead.

And I didn't want him to kill my... kill my parents.

Or kill my sister.

I went to the police station and told them about Andy.

They wouldn't even take my statement 'cause I was only 12.

They didn't care. They didn't care.

I guess it was something that was overlooked.

And I don't mean to put men down,

but it seems like men were always privileged and women were not.

Nowadays, the lens on that is much different.

But even through the police reports and looking at stuff,

it does appear that they really just were, "No big deal."

No.

No, uh...

Because we were, at that time,

we were just interested in... in homicides.

Uh...

They didn't care.

They still don't. They still don't.

The only defense Robin has

is she was sexually abused and brutalized as a child.

Uh, and psychologically that damaged her.

But she isn't fit to be among society.

I consider her a dangerous person.

They didn't give a flying fuck. There you go, I'm sorry.

For God's sakes... oh.

Oh, boy, oh, boy, oh, boy.

I don't know, I think it may have been the time.

People in the '70s and even the early '80s.

Uh, child rape cases were not pursued

the way they are today.

They may have thought that it was consensual.

So it's all okay.

Uh, it's not.

Okay, there was a long relationship with Andy Maltais.

-Yes, sir. -About roughly six years?

-Since you were 11 or 12 years old? -Correct.

-He was 44 at the time, right? -Okay. I'm really not sure.

Okay. Something regarding your childhood,

um, and, you know, uncontroverted trauma

that you experienced when you were very young.

Um, it accounts for a lot of your actions.

But there's a... there are a lot of things

that... that does not account for.

And, you know, when... when...

A lot of things, you took it upon yourself

to make this so much more complicated.

Andy bought me two puppies after he molested me.

And he did call my parents' house one time.

And my father picked up the phone.

My dad knew something was up, but he didn't say anything.

That made it worse for me. That made it worse for me.

Andy killed my other puppy in front of me.

He says, "Now this is gonna be your father."

That experience has traumatized my life for the rest of my life.

The nightmares don't go away.

A lot of times kids who are victimized and abused

continue to be victimized and abused by other people.

Um, you know, almost like they have a target on them.

Um, I think with Robin, it definitely impacted

any form of any close relationship she had with anyone.

What did you perceive as behaviors or character traits

that you needed to address during your incarceration?

-Um... -To be rehabilitated.

I would say, um, anger.

But the anger came from hurt.

And that came as a result of, uh, abuse.

And neglect.

Abuse from male figures.

Um, and neglect from a mother figure who was kind of not there.

She was busy trying to make ends meet to bring up four kids.

If you don't walk through that and you don't forgive the past,

then you don't get to grow up.

And you stay angry.

Robin, she got pregnant.

Had a son.

I believe she was barely 16.

I had a gay brother. He was two years older than me.

When Robin told me she was pregnant,

I went to the house and we talked.

She said, "I was raped and I'm effing pregnant."

And her mom took the child.

I think having a baby and being gay...

At that point she was gay.

That really messed her head up.

I know she doesn't want to talk about it.

I think, in a broad term of, you know, getting pregnant,

I think it kind of forced her to grow up quicker

than I think any teenage parent ends up having to do.

Everything spiraled with Robin.

The older she got, having a child,

hormones after having a child at a young age,

depressed all the time.

Sonny Sparda, she was a friend of Robin's.

And they were allegedly,

they were having a lesbian relationship.

Sonny Sparda had a history of prostitution.

And, um, she lived at Harbor Terrace

which was a housing development no longer in existence.

Robin was over there constantly. And Sonny was friendly with Carl Drew.

She was friendly with the whole group.

I know that I never enjoyed the company of men...

sexually.

So we kind of hung to the gay bars.

I met Sonny there.

Um, she seemed nice.

That got different really quick, but...

at the time she seemed nice.

We spent a lot of time in Sonny's apartment.

It was a place for us to meet.

It's hard to understand it. Why would they wanna... want

the police detectives around in Sonny Sparda's apartment?

But they thought they could gather the information from us.

Um, we knew we could get information from them.

And they were too afraid to keep us away.

The amount of time we spent with these girls is incredible.

To me, they were never cops.

They had badges.

They just didn't operate like police officers.

There was some concerns about how Fall River

was getting information from informants.

They were perceived as hanging out with them too much.

Um, drinking with them.

Uh, getting too... the perception was that they were getting too friendly.

We were given the green light by our commander at the time.

So anything that we had to do to do that,

including us bringing alcohol, marijuana into the apartment, we did it.

You had girls being exploited,

and they just weren't particularly concerned

about the exploitation factor of those girls.

I was with a friend.

We went to buy marijuana from someone.

And Carl Drew was seated on a couch.

'Cause I remember backing up and saying, "Come on, I wanna get out of here."

He just had an icy stare. I didn't like the look of him.

So I end up meeting Robin at Sonny's.

We didn't get along. She had an attitude when she talked.

You know, you're supposed to pay attention to her or listen to her.

And I was above and beyond all that stuff.

He was just a really intimidating guy.

Hearing stories about him...

I didn't believe them.

They just seemed too out there to be true.

Robin had this disposition that she tried to act like a man

and we're having a heated argument.

And I got to a point where I wanted to punch her.

But I didn't. I end up open slapping her and knocking her on her ass.

Carl had come to Sonny's house.

And Karen Marsden was with him.

And he was upset with her for some reason.

Karen was seated in a chair where I couldn't see her.

Carl kept pacing back and forth. So I got up.

Pissed off, went in the bathroom.

And she said, "What's the matter with you?"

I said, "He's a jerk."

Karen Marsden, she was a sweet person.

She was concerned about her son.

For a 17-year-old, yes, I loved her. Yes.

It was somebody that was there.

She told me her introduction to being a prostitute for Carl

was she told me a story about him

choking her one night at the Holiday Inn.

She passed out. And when she woke up,

she was laying on the bed

and he was dripping blood down on her forehead.

Carl decided he should take her car

and basically, um, had her doing drugs.

Very unfortunate.

I took her to the Corrigan Mental Health Unit.

I needed somebody to look at her and try to help her.

Um, they gave her Haldol, Haldol, whatever the heck that is

and sent her on her way.

Um, that was how they treated that.

Drugs with more drugs and more drugs.

I noticed recently that

my involvements with people have always been with broken people.

Robin's father let her down,

for not caring.

Or having the time for her.

Then you got Andy.

And then you got Carl Drew.

They have, you know, made their case

on Robin being a central figure in this

and her being a main perpetrator,

um, instead of a victim.

She fell in with this crowd of people, Carl Drew included,

who was a known pimp in Fall River and in his 20s at the time.

So to put it on her, that she, at 17,

you know, was pimping out other girls who were older than her,

I think was very short-sighted.

Robin did a lot of intimidation, not only with Karen,

who she totally controlled,

but she did a lot of intimidation with everyone else who worked the street.

Keep in mind, Robin was only 17 years old at the time.

But, um, a very violent person.

They weren't fully grasping, you know, that she was an exploited victim.

She may have been a child at 17 years old,

or considered a child.

Robin didn't need any protection.

So there's this group of prostitutes

and they're being controlled by Carl Drew,

who's a motorcycle and tough guy.

-A 16-year-old girl. -Mm-hm.

-Doesn't seem to fit... -Just as violent, if not more.

You look at her, you say, "Ooh.

She's sweet and innocent."

That was not the case.

It's very frustrating to have people

even now refer to her as a prostitute or as a pimp,

um, when she was clearly victimized and was trafficked herself

in with this group of adults.

I was on call that weekend. Doreen Levesque.

We found her under the bleachers at Diamond Vocational High School in Fall River.

She had been severely beaten and was, you know, killed.

Karen said that Carl killed a girl under the bleachers.

I insisted, "Nah. He's just told you that to, you know, get you to walk right."

That's Karen telling you this? -Karen was telling me that. Yes.

Were you present when, we're talking about,

do you know the girl that was found behind the bleachers?

-Yes, that was Doreen Levesque. -Doreen Levesque. Right.

Karen used to call me on the phone all the time, you know,

Drew's gonna threaten her. I said, "Karen, we'll take care of you.

We'll move you somewhere. We'll do something for you."

"No, I don't want to go. I don't want to leave."

So Carl smashed her head in with rocks.

And she was crying and she had holy water in her pocket.

Doreen was the first victim.

But the most astonishing thing is that before the Karen Marsden murder,

Robin Murphy had been a witness to the murder of another young prostitute,

Barbara Raposa.

That homicide involved Andy Maltais and Robin.

Carl wasn't present.

Uh, none of the other actors were present.

I don't like to bring that up, I have to say.

Um, because Andy died.

It was a wooded area but clearly seen from the road.

You could drive in there.

It was a sort of a lover's lane.

There was a gentleman who was walking his beagle dog.

The ground was frozen.

And the dog went over, was licking the dead body.

That was a Saturday in January.

And it was cold.

And she was frozen solid.

Her face was smashed in.

In the area where we found her, there were some cement blocks.

A cement block did serious damage to her face.

She was... severely beaten.

The body was completely frozen, rock solid,

when we removed it from that location.

What we did was interviewed everyone we could think of

that was directly or indirectly involved with her.

We tied the connection together that she was Andy's girlfriend

and it developed from there.

The only time I knew of Barbara was he spoke with me

about having a female in his life

and that he had a new woman in his life

and that he really cared for her and that she really needed his help.

She was 17 and he was 40.

And she started dating him. I tried to...

get her away from him.

But she thought he was great.

'Cause, at first, he was nice.

But then he started, you know, giving her more and more drugs.

I was best friends with her sister since second grade.

She told me when Barbara was five months' pregnant,

that it might be Andy's.

She had a son.

She was younger, so, you know,

a lot of people take that like that's a bad thing

because it was like probably a 20 years age difference.

But I have aunts and uncles today that are that far apart and they're still married.

Barbara was... I'm gonna cry.

Was a good girl.

She was, um...

In grammar school, she did all the right things.

That's why I'm here.

I don't remember...

them talking about her at length ever.

Um...

I don't remember any pictures of her.

She was a beautiful girl.

And, um, justice wasn't done for her.

I really didn't know much about Barbara

until we found her body.

The night that she disappeared,

she was thinking of leaving,

and she was getting a clearer head.

And she was finally thinking, "I have a life to live,

I have a son, I'm gonna fix this and get out."

And she disappeared. And she was killed.

Barbara was, affiliating is probably the correct word,

with this other guy.

But Andy was jealous of their relationship.

That's really part of an abusive relationship.

She wants to leave Fall River.

She wants to move on with her life,

'cause she is really only a kid.

He doesn't want her to leave.

Andy wasn't the main suspect in the case.

I was 100 percent convinced

that he didn't murder Barbara Raposa.

The medical examiner testified

that from the wounds he saw on Barbara Raposa,

whoever did that would have been covered with blood.

Andy lived with his mother.

It was a very small apartment.

Andy's mother said she didn't hear him come in late.

When he came in, she didn't hear him take a shower.

She didn't find any bloody clothes.

My father was not there.

He was home in bed.

Just like my mammy said, she's not gonna lie.

She's a French woman from Canada.

Andy... really wouldn't... wouldn't stay away from the police.

I mean, he was at the police station all the time saying,

"You know, I just thought of something,

maybe I can help you out on this."

And they strung him along.

I think he thought he was some kind of a junior G-man. I don't really know.

I found that people who commit homicide

want to tell someone.

Sounds strange, but they want to tell you what they did.

Midnight, I think on a Friday or Saturday evening,

Andy Maltais came into our office.

Came in with his cowboy boots

and his cowboy buckle and his shirt.

And he came in holding a Bible.

I said, "Andy, why the Bible?"

And he said he was with God now.

But prior to that, he'd been with the devil.

It was crazy. First of all, he didn't have a lawyer.

And I'm not sure he would have listened to a lawyer at that point if he had one.

We gave him his Miranda warnings.

His rights.

Andy just kept telling the police, as far as I recall,

"Look, I know what I'm doing."

There was quite a bit of...

conversation about God and about Satan,

and I really worked him over with that.

But that went on for about, uh, 48 hours.

We had no sleep. We just kept working and working that issue.

For whatever reason,

he wanted to... call it whatever you want,

cooperate, participate.

You know, he wanted to be involved with the police.

He probably would have stayed there for 84 hours if they wanted him to.

Andy, he wasn't too bright. You know?

But you could talk him into saying he raped his own mother.

I wanna be careful with my words, 'cause the police were just doing their job.

But basically, they played him.

I asked him to close his eyes,

and I said, "You know what I see, Andy?

I see you killing Barbara."

And that's when he said, you know,

"I can see it too.

I can see in my mind where this body is."

He wanted to take us there.

Obviously, we did that.

When Andy wanted to go to the scene

of where Barbara Raposa had been killed,

we took him to the scene down there. It was a very, very cold day.

And that's when he said, uh,

talking about having had his dream

and seeing her smashed in the face and killed.

He claimed that he saw her murder in a vision.

He's in a tree or he's hovering above the murder scene.

And he is witnessing that, as if he is clairvoyant.

They turn it around against him.

And also because he had a dream.

What, you mean to tell me if I had a dream last night

that God showed me something in a dream, which He does speak to people through dreams...

Don't happen often, but it does happen.

That's in His word. I'm not God, but that's His word.

I never considered it a confession.

I don't consider it a confession now.

We finally arrested Andy Maltais.

My dad was my best friend. I was looking for him.

We had stayed in constant contact.

You know, I was 19 years old.

And we had plans to hook up

and meet each other in Fall River.

Well, I went to go meet him, and he was nowhere to be found.

That's when I found out that they arrested him.

They arrested him. I said, "What do you mean they arrested him?"

"They arrested him for murder."

I said, "You people are out of your mind!

He didn't kill anybody."

And after Andy admitted to it, Robin came through with the full story.

Andy told me that Barbara was laying dead somewhere in the woods.

And of course, I told him no, she's probably just running away from you.

He said, "No.

She is laying in the woods."

Andy Maltais told me a story

that angels carried him over Barbara

while she was being murdered.

He said that Barbara was bludgeoned to death

before she was found.

That angels carried him over, she was in a wooded area,

that she was tied up and beaten to death with a rock.

When I told the police that,

they said he had told them the same story.

I said, "Well, if I was there, if I was in the car with him, is that good?

Does that pick him up?"

And it did.

She turned around and said that she was in the car with Barbara and Andy.

Andy's statements didn't help him.

Without Robin Murphy, they wouldn't have had a case at all.

I thought she was lying from the first day I met her.

But I could never get her into a position

where she was so contradictory

that it was obvious she was lying.

Andy Maltais' lawyer asked me if I lied about Andy

because of what he did to me when I was a kid.

I didn't say he murdered Barbara

because of what he did to me.

But so that he couldn't do it to anyone else.

And it worked.

Her coming forward was definitely

a way of... of fighting back

and regaining some power in her life.

Andy Maltais abused her,

ruined her life, hurt her,

physically, emotionally, mentally.

Andy Maltais, he should have been castrated.

He should have been castrated.

This is the site where the state says Andre Maltais

beat Barbara Raposa to death with a rock

back in November of 1979.

The police took me to where she was found

and basically said, "So, the car came in this way.

You remember this bump over here?"

And I just, you know, "Yep, yep."

Robin, she was very smart.

The best witness I ever saw.

I used to be a very good storyteller.

And it got my needs met.

She had gone over the transcript.

She had figured out what I was doing.

She was a very, very smart witness.

We watched him go in and out of the courthouse in a wheelchair.

Because through all of this, he had a stroke.

He had three strokes.

The third one caused his whole left side to shut down,

so he barely could walk.

He had strange sexual proclivities, shall we say.

And the prosecution felt that they really needed

to introduce some of this equipment in the trial.

Andy Maltais talked about a bag of tricks that he had.

A bag of tricks, all sexual items that he used,

vibrators and rope and handcuffs.

Gags.

We had court stenographers. We had little old ladies in the back row.

And they were shocked.

I know at the trial, Robin claimed

Maltais had molested her when she was a child.

Andy Maltais, I don't know whether he saw it as wrong.

I think he knew it was wrong, but it was a wrong that he could accept.

It's not a wrong that you or I would accept or most normal people would accept.

But he was like, "Oh, yeah. I did that."

And he seemed detached.

His general demeanor

was just almost accepting of his own behavior.

You know, he didn't see the world the way you and I do.

It was disturbing to me to watch a man...

try and make sense of his life.

And he couldn't.

He just couldn't.

It's kind of pathetic.

Andy ended up in state prison for the mentally impaired

and died later of a stroke.

He always tried to be strong for us kids.

But you could see the brokenness.

You could see the suffering in him.

Did you ever meet Andy Maltais before all this happened?

Yeah.

Robin Murphy, you have her as the key witness

in a homicide case.

And now you have, you know, the Karen Marsden murder.

Uh...

On February 8th,

uh, Karen and I were out together.

We parted ways.

Um...

I went to Maureen Sparda's house, aka Sonny.

Uh-huh. -Um...

My intent that night was to cheat on Karen,

uh, with Maureen Sparda.

The next day, Karen...

didn't go back to her grandmother's.

Um, and I couldn't find her anywhere.

I had talked to the state police.

Um, they couldn't do anything about it.

Carl Drew wasn't getting arrested

for murdering the woman who said he was gonna do it.

I really wanted him to not hurt anybody else.

That's all.

Grand jury murder indictments were handed down today

for the death of 20-year-old Karen Marsden.

Ron Pina was the district attorney at the time.

I'm sure he was under a lot of pressure

to get this straightened out.

So he corralled Robin.

We have an individual who has come forward and talked to us

and has testified or spoken to us

and identified exactly what we feel happened that night.

The night when, uh, Karen Marsden disappeared.

We finally concocted a story of how she was killed.

I mean, here... here they've got one witness

that they can make one deal with,

that serves up on a silver platter two murders.

You know, it solves everything.

When they found the skull,

I went there.

I drove to the scene with the state trooper.

So I did know the layout.

But not because I had ever been there before.

Prosecutors have an obligation to do justice,

not just get convictions.

But this was a DA who had

a bunch of unsolved murders on his hands

and who was approaching an election campaign.

And he was far more interested

in answering public outcry

than he was in doing justice.

We were able to determine that, uh,

there may have been more than one individual involved in the crime.

Prosecutors in the mid-1980s

who have been exposed to this satanic ritual narrative

might be a lot more likely

to assume that there's something devil-y going on there.

The willingness by police officers and attorneys

to embrace these stories

is rooted in the fact that many of them

were already primed by a literal Bible belief.

The city of Fall River, we have like nine Catholic consecrated churches

in the city, which was one of the largest anywhere in the United States.

They had been primed to believe in a God and a devil.

They would naturally drift into the narrative that, well, Satan was behind this.

I plead guilty to murder in the second degree.

Kenny Sullivan.

He told me I'll get out in 12 years.

And I would like it at first because I'm gay.

But did I think women would still want me at the age of 50?

So I pled guilty that day.

You have a 16, 17-year-old girl

who is very articulate

and who can be prompted to say pretty much anything that people wanted her to say

in order to have the headlines that these Fall River satanic cult murders were solved.

"Nothing to worry about, folks, we put the people away."

Without Robin, the district attorney didn't have Carl.

It was almost like she was the prize

to solve this serious crime

and to put Carl away at whatever cost.

Robin Murphy looked a lot different in 1980 than she does today.

In 1980, she looked like an innocent girl next door.

They intentionally dressed her up to look that part.

You know, she's wearing little pleated skirts and, you know,

uh, button-up blouses and her long hair is cascading over her shoulders

and she's talking about the horrific abuse she suffered at the hands of Carl Drew.

I mean, who are you gonna believe?

Just as we have a God, I do believe that we have a Satan.

And I also believe that good always overcomes evil.

It's just how I was raised.

You know, there's a lot of questions,

and they're probably all going to remain unanswered.

All right. A little nervous.

I've never been on camera before, so...

Um...

once.

I was probably about maybe ten or 11.

My mother's house got raided.

And, um, they had arrested her.

I don't remember who the cop was,

but I talked to a cop

and I told him about what I saw and, uh,

I thought it'd get my mother out of jail.

I don't think he took me serious.

So when I was probably about, I don't know, five or six,

I had told my mother that, um...

I had saw these people...

killing... killing a girl.