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Nice to meet you.
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- Okay.
- Yes.
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[Sacha Baron Cohen] In Borat
Subsequent Moviefilm,
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I lived with two
conspiracy theorists,
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in character, for several days.
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- Vaccines.
- Bill Gates.
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- Mail-in ballots.
- Chinese virus.
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-Drink their blood.
-Not nice.
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[Sacha] The myths
and misinformation
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they shared with Borat
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fuel a dangerous rhetoric
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that is tearing apart societies
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in front of our eyes.
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In this series of episodes,
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we'll introduce Jim and Jerry
to world-leading experts,
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doctors and academics,
who will address
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some of the most dangerous
conspiracies head-on
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and debunk them face-to-face.
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Hello, Jim and Jerry.
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This is Hillary Rodham Clinton.
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[Jim] That is a virus
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that was developed in China,
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Wuhan, China.
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They made a-a virus
that kills people.
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So that means that you
have to be locked down.
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You can't go out.
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Your Democrats are trying
to brainwash people.
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They're saying that
we shouldn't be at work.
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And I feel like, that they
helped the Chinese create this.
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[Jim] Correct.
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Democrats with Obama,
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and I think it goes back
to the Clintons,
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when they were also in office.
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[narrator] This conversation
contains several
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conspiracy theories that have
circulated since the onset
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of the coronavirus pandemic.
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From the moment the outbreak
began, many influential figures
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began to spread
unfounded accusations.
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U.S. Senator Tom Cotton
sent a tweet
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connecting the coronavirus
to a Wuhan laboratory.
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In India, scientists
speculated that the virus
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may be genetically engineered.
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In China,
theories on social media
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claimed that the U.S.
had manufactured the virus
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as a weapon.
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As the virus spread,
so did the finger-pointing.
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Rush Limbaugh tells his
listeners that medical experts,
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like Dr. Fauci,
are Clinton sympathizers
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who want to get rid of Trump.
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Representative Matt Gaetz
tweets out
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a Washington Examiner
article amplifying
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the Obama-Wuhan
connection story.
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As the death toll rose
in the U.S.,
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Donald Trump blamed China
and its people
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while simultaneously
downplaying the coronavirus.
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Even after scientists confirmed
that the virus was not man-made,
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conspiracies continued
to expand exponentially.
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- There we go.
- There you are.
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I'm excited to meet you.
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Excited to meet you.
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My first movie stars
I've ever met. [laughs]
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- Yeah. We just hang out, man.
- Yeah?
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So, I'm Jennifer. Did they
tell you anything about me?
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- You're a doctor or something,
right? - [newswoman] I'm joined
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by Dr. Jennifer Nuzzo with the
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School.
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Dr. Nuzzo, great to have
you back on the NewsHour.
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When I think back to who
had it right, it's you.
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You know,
this pandemic's been so hard,
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but the best thing, for me,
has been to meet people
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that I wouldn't otherwise
get to meet
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- and to share what I know.
- [Jim] Right.
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And I think it's really
important for us to have
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- conversations about
tough issues... - Yes.
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and share information.
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Okay, let me ask you this, then.
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The reason being, is it because
the Chinese mutated it?
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So, we have no evidence
that that happened.
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In fact, um, virologists
who have looked very closely
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at the genetic sequence
of the virus have concluded
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that it was, very likely,
not engineered by a human.
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That it most likely
originated from bats.
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And whether it went directly
from bats to humans,
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or if it went from bats
to another animal,
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we don't, uh, fully know yet.
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Well, the scientist that, uh...
the first lady that took
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that out of the laboratory
died from it, so...
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Yeah, so let's, let's talk
about that a little bit.
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- Um...
- Okay.
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Because I, I heard
those stories, too,
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and there's actually no evidence
that that happened.
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There was, I know,
one woman who, um,
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published a story alleging
a number of things
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that have since been debunked
by, by actual scientists.
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Um, the thing
about these viruses,
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these respiratory viruses,
they move fast,
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and it's really hard
for any country to stop them
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from spreading
outside of their borders.
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That's just how these things
are, and I just really worry
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when we start pointing fingers
in the absence of evidence.
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[Trump] Some important
developments
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in our war against
the Chinese virus.
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I have to call it where it came
from. It did come from China.
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So I think it's
a very accurate term.
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Kung flu.
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- I can name...
- [crowd murmuring]
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19 different versions of names.
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- The Chinese virus.
- [crowd cheering]
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[woman news reporter] Why is
this a global competition to you
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if every day Americans
are still losing their lives?
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Well, they're losing their lives
everywhere in the world,
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and maybe that's a question
you should ask China.
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That China focus
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really put blinders on us
and our response.
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Such that the virus could be
coming in from other places,
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and we wouldn't have been able
to detect it
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and we weren't able to stop it.
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And so, the huge surge
of cases in New York
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wasn't due to an introduction
from China.
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It was due to
an introduction from Europe.
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Conspiracy theories can often
have real consequences.
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When Europe was hit
by the Bubonic Plague--
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was in 1348 or '49--
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this is blamed on Jews
allegedly poisoning the wells,
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and there were horrific scenes
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where Jews were burned alive
in the town squares,
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but that kind of conspiracist
belief has continued
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to, to the present day,
as we can see.
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It's impossible
to explain why on earth
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the Chinese would want
to do this,
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given the fact that it had
a serious impact on their,
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on their own country,
but that's a kind of bogeyman
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that emerges at the center
of conspiracy theories.
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Soon as that spreads and reaches
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people who are racially
prejudiced against Chinese,
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you get physical attacks.
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[newswoman] Asian Americans are
facing discrimination
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not felt since the Japanese
American internment camps
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during World War II.
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Do you not think it would be
useful for, at this point,
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for Donald Trump to say,
"You know what,
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leave Asian Americans alone."
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- Yes, I agree with that.
- That statement...
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- Do you not think he should be
saying that? - Yes.
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That statement could be said
very clearly by anybody.
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Yep, I agree with that.
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But by, by, by Donald Trump,
who called it the "China virus."
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The problem is that all
political sides pretend opinions
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are facts and then use it to
achieve their aim because they
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can't be bothered to actually
argue the point properly.
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I have no doubt that,
if there weren't
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so much misinformation
out there, we could have saved
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tens of thousands to hundreds
of thousands of lives.
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♪ ♪
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