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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,055 'And right now, I have lots of questions.' 2 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:08,615 If there is anything to find, it's gonna be with the head. 3 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:11,375 'Fogerty had four other probationers from Hendon with him.' 4 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:12,455 One of them was you. 5 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:13,855 Am I a suspect here? 6 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,095 I think we talk Friday about my money. 7 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:17,455 We think you can help us 8 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,295 throw some light on the events of an evening 30 years ago. We're done. 9 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,455 And whoever sent you from upstairs, tell them, "Nice try, but no cigar." 10 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:24,935 It's me, we need to meet. 11 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,135 Evening, everybody. DCI Cassie Stuart. 12 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:29,935 I do remember Rob on that night, of course, how could you not? 13 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:31,695 But not this lad. Do not tell your brother this. 14 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:33,095 I have a criminal conviction. 15 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:34,855 If we lost that money, you could ruin us. 16 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:36,655 And what would you do for me in return? 17 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:38,495 I want my half to go to charity. 18 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:40,335 Given what I know that you'll be doing for me. 19 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:41,935 I get it, Grandad. I understand. 20 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:44,895 Could I just run a few other names past you? Liz Baildon? No. 21 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:48,655 What are you doing? Are you insane? Tomorrow, 11 o'clock. 22 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,095 Pay for your train ticket in cash. 23 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,895 'I have a witness, who can confirm that Walsh was being chased. 24 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,735 'The chase suggests that his murder was in some way provoked.' 25 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:58,975 Jake? I found the rest of him. 26 00:01:09,960 --> 00:01:13,855 # All we do is hide away 27 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,415 # All we do is All we do is hide away 28 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,095 # All we do is lie and wait 29 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,895 # All we do is All we do is lie in wait 30 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,855 # I've been upside down 31 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:32,535 # I don't wanna be The right way round 32 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,695 # Can't find paradise On the ground. # 33 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,935 DOOR OPENS AND CLOSES 34 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,735 'Hey-ya.' Hey. 35 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,735 So, how did it go? Yeah, good. 36 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:15,135 And? 37 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:19,335 I think you need to let it go, Mum. 38 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,895 He knows exactly what he's doing, it's got nothing to do with her. 39 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,455 Right. Sorry. 40 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:31,215 No, fine. 41 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:34,975 Just don't come running to me in ten years' time 42 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,375 when you've got no money for a deposit on a flat. 43 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,895 Right. Yeah, well... 44 00:02:40,920 --> 00:02:44,135 Now I know. Thanks for that. 45 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:11,255 I am so sorry. 46 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,135 Don't be daft, it's not your fault. 47 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,295 So, um, welcome home. 48 00:03:19,640 --> 00:03:22,615 Well, that sounds very nice. 49 00:03:22,640 --> 00:03:26,015 Doesn't it? HE CHUCKLES, THEY SIGH 50 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:27,895 GIRLS LAUGH How are the girls? 51 00:03:27,920 --> 00:03:30,815 Oh, very excited to have their own rooms, as you can hear. 52 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:32,895 GIRLS LAUGH Yeah. 53 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:37,575 I need more of this. 54 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:41,015 COUGHING 55 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:52,695 What's this? Year 10 debating prize. I won it. 56 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,495 When was this? Yesterday. 57 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:00,615 Erm, I did tell you I was doing it, but... You had Jack's evening, so... 58 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,135 Oh, mate. Well done. 59 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,895 So well done. That is just brilliant. 60 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,535 And... I'm so sorry if we're not always on it. 61 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,615 You know, he takes up a lot of our time. 62 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:24,175 But you... You're an absolute star. 63 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:27,615 Really are. 64 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,215 Wow, he looks almost... mummified. 65 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,415 Well, with the fridge unplugged and open, 66 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,095 that's pretty much what's happened. 67 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,095 Can we be sure it is Matthew? 68 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:42,575 TW be sending samples for DNA, obviously, but it is male, 69 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:46,175 we have laryngeal prominence here, and a quick look at the teeth 70 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:47,895 certainly suggests the right age group. 71 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:49,335 And you know what I'm gonna ask next? 72 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,975 The answer is a cautious maybe. 73 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,855 There's a depressed fracture over the temple here, 74 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,655 which certainly has to be a contender for cause of death, 75 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,655 but let me do an X-ray, open him up, and then let's see where we are. OK. 76 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:05,535 And did Jay call you yet? Jay? The forensic botanist? 77 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,455 He's had some interesting results on the leaf material on the T-shirt. 78 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:10,775 Er, no. Anyway, he'll call you. 79 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,855 So, Murray's had a quick squint through the mobile phone records. 80 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,375 No indication that any of them are speaking to each other yet. 81 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,255 Well, not on their regular phones, no. 82 00:05:19,280 --> 00:05:21,775 We are also looking into phone mast data. 83 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:23,775 Cheers, Leanne. We'll speak later. 84 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,055 Hi. DC Fran Lingley. 85 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:40,255 Trying to trace a man 86 00:05:40,280 --> 00:05:42,215 we believe may have stayed here a few years ago. 87 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,655 Wondered if you had any records on him. Name of Clive Walsh. 88 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,415 Also, I spoke to Hendon first thing. 89 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,735 Trying to locate that intake's lead trainer for us. Yeah. 90 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:58,375 I just think the more of a sense we can get of them as people, 91 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:01,295 cos if this was a murder, 92 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:02,935 that is just such an extraordinary thing 93 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,015 for five newbie coppers to have been involved with. 94 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,855 That just doesn't come out of nowhere, does it? 95 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:14,455 Er, yeah, OK. The last record we've got of Clive, 96 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:19,015 he's been given a residential place just under two years ago 97 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:20,415 in a halfway house in Bow. 98 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:39,815 Fiona? 99 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,095 Lizzie. Hello. 100 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:49,615 I have to search you, I'm afraid. I'm sorry? 101 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,095 I have to check you're not wearing a wire. 102 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,495 Wearing...?! SHE SCOFFS 103 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,935 Jesus, Liz. What do you think of me? 104 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:58,535 Or I'll walk away. Liz! 105 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,575 OK. OK. Oh, my God. 106 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:14,215 I need to see your phone. 107 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,215 I need to know you're not recording anything. Thank you. 108 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:39,495 So... I presume they've spoken to you? The police? 109 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,335 Yes. But what have you said? 110 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,455 I just told 'em the truth, Fiona. 111 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,895 Like we agreed. I hope you did too. 112 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,855 Oh, fuck! No. Sorry. 113 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:57,655 It was 30 years ago. 114 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:00,295 What did you tell them, then? 115 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:03,775 I told them... 116 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,775 ...I was too drunk to remember anything. 117 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,415 OK. Well, that can work for now. 118 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,575 And if they interview you again, 119 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,375 then the truth can slowly come back to you. 120 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,015 Right. 121 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:26,455 You remember it? 122 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,975 Erm... 123 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:35,295 ...after Rob got pulled, you drove the rest of us home... 124 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:41,975 ...before taking his car back to his, which was near where you lived. 125 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:47,615 And how did I get from Rob's to my flat? You walked? Good. 126 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:53,695 And, erm... 127 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:58,575 ...what if they find out about the pub? 128 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:01,375 They won't find out about the pub. 129 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:05,775 They have no connection to us in the pub. No names, anywhere. 130 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,495 They might find someone. That's what they do. You should know. 131 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:12,975 What if they find out about the pub? They might find out about the rest. 132 00:09:15,560 --> 00:09:18,215 About what you did for me. 133 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,335 They might find out about everything. 134 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,295 I'm sorry. I can't... 135 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,735 I can't just be cold and hard about it like you can. 136 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,335 I'm trying to remain as dispassionate as possible. 137 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,815 I think it's the most useful thing to do right now. 138 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:44,375 I have to go. 139 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:47,975 If you need to contact me, 140 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,135 I've set up a Hotmail, Betty two-nine-zero-two. 141 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:02,095 You're still beautiful, Fi. 142 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:07,055 I hope your life has been happy. 143 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,415 MURRAY: 'So, three weeks before Matthew Walsh goes missing, 144 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,615 'he was cautioned for an incident in a pub.' 145 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:23,815 A physical altercation with another drinker. 146 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,495 "Now, he wasn't charged, so it can't have been that serious, 147 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:30,255 'but the reason I mention it is cos of the pub it was in, The Ifield.' 148 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,455 What, our Ifield? 'Hendon Lane.' 149 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,775 Now, pretty much everyone who trained at the academy 150 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:36,135 drank at The Ifield. 151 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,015 'So, I was thinking...' 152 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:40,575 What are the chances the ruck he had was with a probationer? 153 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:44,775 Exactly. Nice. I like that, Murray. 154 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:48,215 I like that very much. 155 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,695 Ian Henderson? DCI Cassie Stuart, DI Sunny Khan. 156 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:02,775 'Yeah, I trained all five of them.' 157 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,335 'OK, can we start with Ram, then, please?" 158 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,415 'Ram hasn't changed in 30 years. 159 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,175 'He was a cocky little runt back then, 160 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,455 'and from what I've heard, he's still a cocky little runt now. 161 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,535 'Used to play the race card at every opportunity. 162 00:11:14,560 --> 00:11:16,495 'Still does, from what I hear.' 163 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:20,335 When you say, "Play the race card", what do you mean? 164 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,535 Objects to being called a Paki on a daily basis? 165 00:11:22,560 --> 00:11:24,775 You come from Wales, you get called Taff, Scotland, Jock, 166 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:25,975 it's the same difference. 167 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:27,975 It isn't, but let's maybe not go there right now. 168 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,575 So, aside from being cocky, what was he like as a person? 169 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:32,895 Was he good copper material? 170 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,775 Here's the deal. I always thought Ram would go right to the top, 171 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:37,975 'or end up in prison.' 'Prison?" 172 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:42,335 'Listen, the lad was a smart boy, there's no doubt about that. 173 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,695 'He was ambitious, charismatic, very funny, people liked him.' 174 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:48,495 'He was also fucking angry.' 175 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:52,495 He had a massive chip on his shoulder about his colour. 176 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:54,895 You combine that with his risk-taking and his liking power 177 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:56,415 a bit much, well, it makes him dangerous. 178 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:57,815 The proof of the pudding, 179 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,455 you check his disciplinary record over the years, yeah? 180 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,055 I mean, the guy obviously thought he was untouchable. 181 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:04,815 And worse still, that he had a right to be. 182 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,175 Now, personally, I think if he'd been white, 183 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:09,735 he'd have been inside by now. 184 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,615 So, you think he could have been capable of breaking the law. 100%. 185 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:16,415 Did you see anything, anything specific when you worked with him 186 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:18,815 that led you to this conclusion? No. 187 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:22,615 So, it's just a generalised prejudice, then? 188 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,935 You wanted my opinion, I've given it ya. OK, moving on. 189 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:30,575 SHE SIGHS Dean Barton. 190 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,735 'Deano. Oh, well, Deano was the polar opposite. 191 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,455 'One of the most instinctive coppers I ever trained. 192 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:40,055 'Fast-thinking, very analytical brain, great team player. 193 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:41,935 "OK, so...' Hello, mate. 194 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,375 All right, Ram. 'Dean told me that he left, 195 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,895 because he didn't think he was a team player. 196 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:49,495 All right, let me rephrase that. 197 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:51,695 On the job, he worked well alongside the others, yeah? 198 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:55,935 But, er, yeah, socially, yeah, I'd agree with you. 199 00:12:55,960 --> 00:13:00,055 Yeah, he was a loner. Very private. Secretive, almost. 200 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,655 But honest? You trusted him? 201 00:13:02,680 --> 00:13:05,055 Deano? He was a straight as a die. 202 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,135 So, tell me about Liz Baildon. 203 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,695 "Unsurprisingly, a natural. Yeah, the Prof, we used to call her. 204 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:18,055 'Great under pressure, very level-headed. 205 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,095 'Oh, she's a great team leader. 206 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,375 'She had a way of motivating people effortlessly.' 207 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:23,895 And was she out then? 208 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:25,935 No, the climate was different to today. 209 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:27,935 It wasn't as easy to admit you were gay. 210 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,015 So, no relationships that you remember? 211 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:31,095 Well, not in an open sense, 212 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,175 but she was as thick as thieves with one girl. 213 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:34,975 Who was that? 214 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:36,775 'Your fourth name.' 'Fiona Grayson?' 215 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:39,055 'Yeah, or the Wet Blanket, as we used to call her. 216 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,095 'Literally no idea what she was doing there. 217 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,055 'I mean, she was a perfectly capable lady, 218 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:44,975 'but she clearly hated the whole set-up' 219 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,415 and I wasn't surprised when I heard she'd quit. 220 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,335 OK, and finally, Rob Fogerty. 221 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,055 Yeah, I liked Rob. Nice guy. 222 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,495 A little sorry for him when I heard he got chucked off, but... 223 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:57,815 well, it didn't surprise me. He's not the sharpest knife. 224 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:01,335 And he was a big guy. Was there any violence in him? No, the opposite. 225 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,855 I really had to push him when we did restraint training. 226 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:05,575 No, there was nothing violent in Rob. 227 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:06,975 No, he's a real gentle giant. 228 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,095 Can you think of anything else connected to any of them 229 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:10,255 that sticks in your mind? 230 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:11,855 Anything you haven't already touched on? 231 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,695 You know, the five of them, they formed a little gang. 232 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:17,255 I was never quite sure what it was. 233 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,615 I mean, they all came from very different backgrounds, 234 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:21,895 they have very different personalities, but... 235 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:23,455 there was some sort of connection. 236 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:26,615 Then, on the day of the passing-out parade, 237 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:28,295 I think I saw what it was. 238 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:32,175 What? Not one of them had a guest. Yeah, yeah. Exactly. Right? 239 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:33,935 I mean, everyone has guests, haven't they? 240 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,775 Mums, dads, siblings, friends, someone, but no... no, not them. 241 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,455 And I think that's what their connection was. 242 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:45,695 For whatever reason... 243 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:49,295 ...they were out on their own. 244 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:53,655 Are you gonna be able to find stuff out, do you think? 245 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:57,295 If it moves forward, keep us ahead of the game? I'll do what I can. 246 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,495 But obviously, if they start looking at us closely, 247 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:01,335 they'll be looking at me closely, SO... 248 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:05,455 Bottom line, we stick to the truth, you know. We'll be fine. We hope. 249 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:09,015 So, I've got to go, fella. 250 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,175 That business the other day, all went all right? 251 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,215 Yeah. Yeah, it was fine. 252 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:19,175 Thanks for helping out at short notice. Last time, yeah. 253 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,495 I've moved on now. Absolutely, me too. It's a one-off. 254 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:26,975 You look after yourself, buddy. Yeah, and you. 255 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:48,695 COUGHING 256 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,935 Hello, is it Clive? Yes. Hello, Clive. 257 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,095 My name is DC Fran Lingley, 258 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:59,615 and I have some news about your brother, Matthew. 259 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:02,775 Sweet cicely? 260 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,335 'Yes, so it's native to the north, which means' 261 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,055 you're very unlikely to find it growing wild down here. 262 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:11,375 OK. 'So, within the rough area he was last seen in, 263 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:12,695 'I'd be looking for' 264 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:14,535 vegetable plots in gardens, or, 265 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,695 and for me this is the most likely scenario, an allotment. 266 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,295 Right. Thank you. 267 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,295 And he is happy to come here? 'Yes, he is.' OK. 268 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,975 'We're on our way back. Be there in about 20." OK, see you then. 269 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,255 OK, Clive. Shall we get going? 270 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:38,335 Fran's found the brother. Whose brother? Matthew Walsh's. 271 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,335 Turns out he was with Matthew the night he disappeared. No! 272 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:43,455 He was having a pee in the bushes when the car pulled up. 273 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:46,855 He saw everything. 274 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:55,615 Yeah. I remember the case, because of his colour. 275 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:57,375 Whose colour? 276 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:59,415 The probationer involved in the altercation. 277 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:03,615 So, you receive details that Walsh made a pass at a woman... 278 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:05,055 Who was also a probie, I think. 279 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,335 ...and she blanked him, and he got a bit lairy, 280 00:17:07,360 --> 00:17:09,495 and then a lad she was having a drink with intervened, 281 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:11,015 and that's when it all kicked off? 282 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,295 After Walsh made racially abusive remarks, I think. 283 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:16,295 And I'm assuming it was just a bit of handbags, 284 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:18,495 because Walsh only got cautioned? No, not at all. 285 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:22,055 Walsh actually gave the lad a bit of a kicking. So... 286 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:25,295 So, he was let off, because my sergeant wanted it buried. 287 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:30,015 If Walsh had been charged, there would have been a court case, 288 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,295 and the probationer would have got in trouble and... 289 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,095 Obviously, we'd just started recruiting ethnic minorities, 290 00:17:36,120 --> 00:17:37,975 so it wouldn't have played out well for anyone. 291 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,415 So, the fact there's no other names in this report, apart from Walsh's, 292 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:42,615 that was deliberate? 293 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:44,815 I didn't write this report, my sergeant did, 294 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:46,975 and he's been dead ten years, but, yeah. 295 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:52,975 I'm guessing he was protecting the witnesses, 296 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,655 the girl, and very particularly, the Asian lad. 297 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:00,815 And as we were walking across Napley Green, 298 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,975 I decided to duck into the bush for a pee. 299 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:09,455 Just as I did, I heard a shout, "Oi! Walsh y boy!" 300 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:14,615 I turned, and I saw this car about 50 yards away, 301 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,895 with a bloke getting out the front passenger seat, 302 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:18,615 and he was just running at Matty. 303 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:22,095 And do you remember what he looked like? Asian guy. 304 00:18:22,120 --> 00:18:23,415 And what did your brother do? 305 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,415 Well, he looked pretty useful and angry, 306 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:30,415 and there was others in the car, so he just ran. 307 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:34,655 And I had just a second or two to decide, you know, 308 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:38,975 show him that there was two of us, make him think twice, maybe? 309 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:43,895 I've never had a fight in my life, so I ducked down... 310 00:18:46,120 --> 00:18:47,255 ...and I hid. 311 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,455 And then, the driver got out. 312 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:56,975 Tall fella, ran off in the direction of the others. 313 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:00,735 And then about 30 seconds later, the third man. 314 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:02,815 I could still see two others in the back seats. 315 00:19:04,120 --> 00:19:06,975 After about five minutes, they got out as well 316 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,935 and they were all quickly off in the direction the others had gone. 317 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:18,095 But these two were women. 318 00:19:18,120 --> 00:19:20,455 And that was it. 319 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:25,055 I never saw them, or my brother, again. 320 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,655 Why did you never say anything about this at the time? 321 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,335 I had a job. In Cyprus, in a club. 322 00:19:34,360 --> 00:19:36,255 I had to fly out the next day to start, 323 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,695 but this was before mobile phones, 324 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:42,295 so I didn't even hear that he was missing for weeks, 325 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:47,095 and when I did get back, early June, pretty much everyone just reckoned 326 00:19:47,120 --> 00:19:50,855 he was lying low, because of the warrants that was out for him. 327 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:54,295 Everyone reckoned he'd just turn up one day. 328 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,055 Except me, because in my gut... 329 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,535 .I think I knew that he died that night. 330 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,255 HE EXHALES 331 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,615 And the reason I never said anything, 332 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:17,855 that's because I did not want anyone to know 333 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:22,095 what a snivelling gutless coward I was. 334 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:26,855 Thank you. 335 00:20:34,120 --> 00:20:37,335 OK. So, we now know for sure that they all got out. 336 00:20:37,360 --> 00:20:39,295 And in pursuit of the victim. Exactly. 337 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,055 Which means, as far as I'm concerned, 338 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,095 they're definitely all in the frame now. 339 00:20:54,360 --> 00:20:58,575 And if we draw a line up from where the car stopped... 340 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:03,215 up here... up here... 341 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:07,455 and ending somewhere in the allotment, 342 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,295 it fits very well with the various witness statement sightings 343 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,495 at the chase. And if we can identify where exactly 344 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,495 on the allotment this plant might've grown, 345 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,615 we might find his actual place of death. Mm. 346 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:17,935 I mean, my guess is... 347 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:21,175 Look, it would had to have been near the road to pull the car up to. 348 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,215 Maybe we can even get some boards up. 349 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,855 Might trigger some more memories. Yeah, absolutely. 350 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:27,935 OK, very good. Thank you. Caz? 351 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,495 The only concrete thing I have is on Fiona Grayson. 352 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,215 A 1993 dangerous driving conviction. 353 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,015 Trying to get the original files. OK. 354 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,015 But nothing on Elizabeth Baildon and nothing on... 355 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,695 well, apart from his internal disciplinary record, 356 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,655 on Ramjeet Sidhu. Which we're looking into. 357 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,855 Yep. And Dean Barton, no criminal record. 358 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,775 Although I am having trouble finding a couple of basic documents. 359 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:49,575 I can't find his birth certificate 360 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,255 and I can't find him on the census pre '91. OK. 361 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,695 And something else just to feed in as background - 362 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:58,655 all five of them had no guests at their passing-out parade. 363 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,775 No family, no friends. No nothing. 364 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,775 Yeah. It's one to mull on, maybe. 365 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,935 And definitely a picture starting to emerge of Ram Sidhu 366 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,335 being a person who pushed the envelope, even back then. 367 00:22:10,360 --> 00:22:13,255 We know he was probably first out the car, 368 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:17,415 so was probably the most likely to catch up with Matthew first, 369 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,575 and then, this afternoon... 370 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,335 Murray slightly struck gold. 371 00:22:22,360 --> 00:22:24,935 So, three weeks before Matthew disappeared, 372 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,575 we've got pretty good evidence to suggest that in a pub in Hendon, 373 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,335 he committed an ABH on Ram Sidhu. 374 00:22:31,360 --> 00:22:33,135 No. The fight was over a girl. 375 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,695 No names in the arrest sheet, but we know our suspects were a gang 376 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:39,175 so there's a fair chance they were all drinking together that night 377 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,695 and the girl was even Fiona Grayson or Liz Baildon. 378 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,335 For various reasons, Walsh only got a caution 379 00:22:44,360 --> 00:22:48,935 and Murray's trying to track down Susie Montgomery, the landlady. 380 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,215 But I think, alongside opportunity, 381 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:55,015 fairly reasonable now to suggest we also have a possible motive. 382 00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:00,855 Albeit one that for whatever reason seems to have escalated 383 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,335 from a reciprocal slap to something... 384 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,015 .far more violent and involving four other people. 385 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,815 So, I think we pull Sidhu in now, confront him with this 386 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,335 and see what we get. Thank you, guys. 387 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,575 You don't think we should wait till Murray finds out 388 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,015 if Montgomery's still around? I mean, if she can ID Sidhu 389 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,055 or any one of the women... What are the chances? 390 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,015 I mean, I was drinking in The Ifield just a few months later, 391 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,615 and she was about 500 years old. 392 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,575 So, no. Let's get him in now, please. 393 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:46,295 Sure. 394 00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:51,175 DOOR OPENS AND SHUTS 395 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:52,535 HER PHONE BUZZES 396 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,055 Hiya. Hi. 397 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:21,935 This is a nice surprise. Were you up anyway...? 398 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,695 No, no, here on a whim. 399 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,495 I thought, if you had half an hour, maybe we could just... 400 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,695 Ah, love, no, I haven't got half an hour. 401 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,335 OK, ten minutes? 402 00:24:30,360 --> 00:24:32,175 How about five? 403 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,295 I don't generally take lunch. If you'd booked me last week or... 404 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,615 "Booked you"? Well, OK. Sorry, I don't mean that like... 405 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,495 No, no, no, it doesn't matter, it's fine. 406 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,255 OK, I'll be quick, then. 407 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,455 So, erm, I went into all the agencies near mine, 408 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,415 got a list of all the properties within our range - 409 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,375 that way we can get an idea of what we're after, 410 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,735 so, why don't you take a look and we can discuss later? 411 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,615 Ah... 412 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:58,975 Oh, perfect. Thank you so much for doing that. 413 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:00,895 Yeah, yeah, no problem. 414 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,095 So have you spoken to your dad again? 415 00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:05,535 Er, not since Eddie took him out, no. 416 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,175 I spoke to a lawyer, though. A lawyer? 417 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,255 Yeah. Only from work, mate of a mate. 418 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,975 I just wanted the top line on our rights. Cass... 419 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,455 I mean, listen, it's your life, but... 420 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,215 I don't think a lawyer is the way to go. 421 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:21,815 Yeah, I know, I know, I just... 422 00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:28,495 Oh, f... fuck, I can't lose this anger, John. 423 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:29,895 I wish I could, but... 424 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:35,455 On top of everything else, that woman, she's just... she... 425 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,215 Yeah, I know. I get that. I do, but... 426 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,415 Please don't tell either of them you've spoken to a lawyer, 427 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,495 because that'll just... Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know. 428 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:47,495 Ah, I've got to go. 429 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:53,095 I'll look at these later. And, erm... it's a nice idea. 430 00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:54,575 And next week, hopefully I'll be freer, 431 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:55,975 and then let's do it properly. 432 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,295 Yeah, I'll book you in (!) Ha. Piss off. 433 00:25:58,320 --> 00:25:59,415 HE CHUCKLES 434 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:06,895 Hey. 435 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,935 Been trying to get hold of you. Claire had no idea where you were. 436 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,535 Well, I was at the meeting, why? 437 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,895 Jack's temperature's gone up to 101. Oh, no. 438 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,615 Do you think it's another infection? I dunno. 439 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,255 But his chest sounds dreadful, so... so I've called the GP. 440 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,575 All right, I'll... I'll go and see him. 441 00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:33,855 You never told me the police had interviewed you. 442 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,815 Yeah, Claire made some joke about you being banged up 443 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,015 when I asked her where you were. 444 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,975 Apparently, a detective came to the office the other day? 445 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,735 Yeah, I didn't wanna worry you. 446 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:52,855 What was it about? 447 00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,055 Not that. 448 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,015 No? No. 449 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,815 There's nothing that's ever gonna be able to connect us to that now. 450 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:10,855 Promise. 451 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,655 So what was it about? Oh, just some weird... 452 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,655 historical case, some 30-year-old murder. 453 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,815 They thought I might've known one of the suspects. 454 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,095 Jesus. Did you? 455 00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:25,455 No, of course not. 456 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,855 The interview lasted five minutes, it's fine. 457 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,695 I'm gonna go up and see the lad. 458 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,695 CASS: 30th March 1990. 459 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,855 The day of your passing-out parade. You remember it? Of course. 460 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,975 Good day? Lovely. 461 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,815 Proud of your achievement? Very. 462 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,015 So why no family there? To share your day with you. 463 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:58,815 HE CHUCKLES 464 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,175 Er, because I was supposed to be a doctor or a lawyer or... 465 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,255 go into the family business, apparently. 466 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:05,655 And how did that make you feel, 467 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,935 that no-one came to celebrate with you? 468 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:12,255 Sad, but I knew they'd come round, which they did, I think. 469 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:13,815 They're very proud of me now. 470 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,055 You went to a party that night. Yeah. 471 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,855 Erm, do you remember who you went with? No. 472 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:27,335 Or what time you left? 30 years later? No, sorry. 473 00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:29,775 OK. Erm, do you remember who you left with? 474 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,495 A couple of them, yeah. OK, who was that? 475 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,215 Rob and Liz - Fogerty and Baildon. OK. 476 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,255 Well, completely understandably, 477 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,815 you couldn't remember who you went with, but, er... 478 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,495 quickly remembered who you left with. 479 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,535 Is there a reason that those names have stuck in your mind? 480 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,855 Because of something that happened that night. 481 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,815 What was that? 482 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,695 Er, so... 483 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,895 Rob, who was our designated driver, 484 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,375 unbeknownst to any of us, 485 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,815 had actually had a few drinks that night. 486 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,175 Dumb luck on the way back into town, he got pulled over 487 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,015 by the traffic cop, he was breathalysed, 488 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,695 was over the limit and... he was nicked. 489 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,615 Ended his career before it even started. 490 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,375 So he got nicked, he got taken away, 491 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,375 how did you then get home after that? I think... 492 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,175 ...Lizzie was allowed to drive Rob's car, I think... 493 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,055 ...she dropped us off in town first 494 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,535 and then dropped Rob's car at his house. 495 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,735 And, erm... you still see Liz Baildon? 496 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,375 No. I mean, at the odd police event, but no more than that. 497 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,615 Have you discussed this with her over the past few days? No. 498 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:44,695 OK. Because your recollections are... pretty much identical. 499 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,055 Mm, yeah. It's what happened, so... HE CHUCKLES 500 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,255 And you don't remember any of the people in the car? 501 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:52,855 No. 502 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,615 Dean Barton? Fiona Grayson? 503 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,575 Mm... I'm sorry. 504 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,215 And when the car was stopped by the police officer, 505 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,615 was that the first time that journey that it had stopped? 506 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,695 Yeah. OK. 507 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,415 So, I'm gonna show you a photo of a man now. 508 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,695 The victim in this investigation, in fact. Name of Matthew Walsh. 509 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,295 And I'd just like to know if his face 510 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:21,775 is in any way familiar to you. 511 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:24,815 TENSE STING 512 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:26,895 No. 513 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:29,975 Well, have a good look. 514 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:34,775 No. 515 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,935 OK. 516 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,855 I ask because we have a witness who says he saw a car 517 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,175 with five people in it, one unusually tall man, 518 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,335 two women and an Asian man pull up near a patch of ground 519 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,175 called Napley Green. 520 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,135 Now, this is about a mile before 521 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,855 where you were pulled over by the traffic cop. 522 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,215 And the witness says that one of the men, 523 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:01,495 that matches your description, got out, calling, "Oi, Walsh y boy!" 524 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,535 And then chased after the victim. Ss... 525 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,415 So, is your witness white? 526 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,015 What does that have to do with anything? 527 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,295 OK, I'm not being funny or anything, but to them, 528 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:11,695 we do all slightly look the same. 529 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,295 So you don't recognise this event? 530 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,975 You don't recognise the name, Matthew Walsh, or indeed his face? 531 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,695 In fact, none of this rings any bells? 532 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,175 No, I'm sorry. OK. 533 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,815 So, I think that you know perfectly well who Matthew Walsh is, 534 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:26,975 and I think you know him 535 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,175 because only three weeks before this incident, 536 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,135 I think you had a racially instigated fight with him 537 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,175 in a pub in Hendon. What evidence have you got for this allegation? 538 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,575 This was in The Ifield. Yeah. What evidence? 539 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,415 Did you used to drink in there? HE SCOFFS 540 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,335 Listen... HE LAUGHS 541 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,375 ...I don't know where you're coming from with all this, but... 542 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,415 I'll give you the benefit of the doubt 543 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,975 and assume it's not from the same place as 90% of the crap 544 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,135 I have to deal with comes from... but... 545 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:57,615 ...you have nothing here. 546 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,815 I mean, a witness comes out of the woodwork 30 years after the event 547 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,935 and says he saw an Asian guy get out of a car, 548 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,255 and then a random Paki in a pub? 549 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:08,695 HE CHUCKLES Are you serious? 550 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,655 Sorry, guys, but I think we're done here. 551 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:27,695 Don't, just... 552 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,055 I just think we need to slow down, boss. 553 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:31,975 I just want it over. 554 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:34,775 I shouldn't even be here. 555 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,895 So I heard her, the other day. 556 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,335 The police officer with you. 557 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,095 I'm sorry? Me too. 558 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,175 That I have to resort to this. 559 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,655 You should've been better, Elizabeth. 560 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,735 I'm sorry, Eugenia. 561 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,415 I have no idea what you're talking about. 562 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,695 I'm not a greedy person. I don't want luxuries. 563 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,175 But I do want to be able to heat our flat, 564 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,735 to feed my child properly, and once in a while, 565 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,455 very rarely, buy her a pretty dress from Primark. 566 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,615 So, really, not a lot. And a fraction of what you have. 567 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,015 But still, apparently, too much for you. 568 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,335 No, I didn't say that. £287. 569 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,375 My overdue gas bill. And £9 an hour. 570 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,015 That's what I'm blackmailing you for. 571 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:54,975 Which sounds pathetic. 572 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,295 Even to me. 573 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,895 But if you don't give me this, I will tell the police 574 00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:01,255 what your mother told me. 575 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,495 Which I don't think you want. 576 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:07,695 So... 577 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,335 ...have a think and then maybe... 578 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,055 No, I don't have to have a think. You can have it. 579 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:33,615 Hey! 580 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,335 I just had a call from my brother. 581 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,215 He said he could not, in all conscience, 582 00:34:46,240 --> 00:34:49,055 keep what you told him from me. 583 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:53,935 And so, I was just wondering... if you had a conscience. 584 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,575 I was just wondering if you felt you could maybe give your partner 585 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,135 a bit of a heads up as to what the fuck was going on. 586 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,375 27 years ago... 587 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:22,895 I killed a child. 588 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:30,655 They said I was speeding. Doing 42 in a 30-mile area. 589 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,615 And I lost control going round a corner. 590 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,695 I actually think she was on the wrong side of the road. 591 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,055 Either way... we collided. 592 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,655 And there was a toddler in the back. 593 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:47,975 In a car seat. 594 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:50,775 It wasn't properly fastened. 595 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:53,575 And he died. 596 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:56,335 The little boy. 597 00:35:57,720 --> 00:36:02,495 And I received a conviction for death by dangerous driving. 598 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:10,015 How... how could you never have told me this? 599 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,535 I know, I'm so, so, so sorry. 600 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,775 Was it your fault? I don't think so. 601 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,975 But I'm not sure I'lL ever really know. 602 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,015 I'm just stunned, Fi, that you... 603 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:34,775 .felt you could keep something so significant from me for 17 years, 604 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,775 how do you do that? 605 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,655 How do you do that and stay sane? I mean... 606 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,175 ...is there anything else you need to tell me? 607 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,375 No. That's it. 608 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,975 If we lose our deposit... I swear, Fiona... 609 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,535 RAM: I mean, what do people want the police to be? 610 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,015 Mm? 611 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,255 Do they want us to be like them, 612 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,455 just normal human beings who will screw up, 613 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,695 who will make mistakes? We all accept that. 614 00:37:19,720 --> 00:37:22,895 We all say sorry and move on, and that's the deal. 615 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:24,535 HE SIGHS 616 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,095 Or do they want to believe that we're not the same, 617 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,335 that we've got some kind of special powers that they don't? 618 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,935 Cos, you know, that makes them feel safer in their beds. 619 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:37,535 What do they want? 620 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,895 Cos it's got to be one or the other. It can't be both. 621 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:43,975 Mate, I can't even work the Apple remote, so... 622 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,295 HE LAUGHS 623 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,135 DRINK BEING POURED 624 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:56,495 Hey, what's the matter? 625 00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,175 Hey, hey, hey. 626 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,215 What's wrong, babe? 627 00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:06,375 Do you ever get angry, Dean? 628 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,255 At Jack. At Jack? 629 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,415 Yeah, and I don't just mean for being naughty, I mean for... 630 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:18,935 ...for being him. 631 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:22,975 Erm, no. No. 632 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:28,095 I do. 633 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,655 Sometimes, not often, like... 634 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,295 ...half a dozen times in his entire life, maybe I, erm... 635 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:42,495 I blame him. 636 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,335 I blame HIM, not his disability. 637 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,175 For what I tell myself he's stolen from us. 638 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,615 From you, from me. 639 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,615 From Cass. Marn... And I am telling you this, Dean... 640 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,575 ...because I want you to know that I am not who you think I am. 641 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,535 That part of me is just an awful person. 642 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,775 But an awful person who, well, at least, I hope, 643 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,975 despite what I have just told you, you still love. 644 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:20,655 Of course. 645 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:25,135 So, surely, surely, that means you can tell me stuff. 646 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:26,615 About your past. 647 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,215 And about your family - whoever they are. 648 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,815 Things that maybe you think will make me... 649 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:42,735 ...hate you or fear you or whatever, I dunno, because it just won't. 650 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,975 But what is killing me is the secrets. 651 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,615 The years of secrets. 652 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:58,055 Of writing a Mother's Day card to a mother you told me had died. 653 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,135 Going to Calais when we were supposed 654 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:02,855 to have given up all that crap years ago. 655 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,415 Lying about where you are today, I can't take it anymore. 656 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,935 I just can't take the secrets and lies, 657 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,495 not when we've got so much else to deal with. 658 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,175 So, please... just talk to me, Dean. 659 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,175 You're tired, Marn. I am too. No, Dean. 660 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,255 We will do this... but not now. 661 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,095 Please. Dean. Please. 662 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,575 He's just down there at the end. OK. Cheers, mate. 663 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:49,975 So, those are the original files 664 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,175 connected to Fiona Grayson's driving conviction in '93. 665 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,775 And it turns out that a child died during this incident 666 00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,015 in the car that she collided with. Wow. 667 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,855 One of the officers attending smelt alcohol on Fiona's breath, 668 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,175 and so obviously tried to give her a test at the time, 669 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,375 but she was so upset, crying hysterically, 670 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,695 that they were unable to successfully give her one 671 00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:11,255 at the scene, so she was arrested and taken to the local nick 672 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,855 where a blood test was taken there instead. And? 673 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,735 It was lost. Lost? Lost where, the lab or the nick? 674 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,495 The nick. Before it got sent to the lab. 675 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:20,855 Which nick was this? 676 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,215 Kingston. Are you heading where I think you're heading? 677 00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:26,295 So I checked where both Ram Sidhu and Liz Baildon worked at the time. 678 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:30,575 And? Baildon worked at Kingston nick from '91 to '94. 679 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:35,295 Oh, man. Yep. And in the '91 census, it details Liz and Fiona 680 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,935 as living at the same address in Thames Ditton, 681 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,015 about a mile or so from Kingston town centre. 682 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:41,415 But at the time of this offence, 683 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,655 they're living at separate addresses but both are still in the same area. 684 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,255 If that blood test had come back positive, 685 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,935 Fiona Grayson would be in jail. Definitely. 686 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,175 OK, so there are three explanations here. 687 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,335 One, this was just a coincidence. 688 00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,415 Two, they were an item and she contrived 689 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,255 to have the blood sample lost for personal reasons. 690 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:04,775 And then, three... 691 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:07,615 ...they weren't an item... 692 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:10,655 ...but Liz Baildon was blackmailed. 693 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,495 Fiona Grayson using whatever the fuck happened with Matthew Walsh 694 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,335 as some kind of... leverage. 695 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,095 I know what my money's on. Mm. 696 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:21,575 PHONE RINGS 697 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:25,455 Leanne. 698 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,095 Hey. Cass. Any chance you could pop in for five minutes 699 00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:29,335 when you have a chance? 700 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:32,695 What can I say? 701 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:39,215 Just now, we found out, just now, this actually happened. 702 00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:46,535 I feel differently. Oh, Jesus, Ram. I know. 703 00:42:47,720 --> 00:42:49,735 I'm sorry, but... 704 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,175 I've just spent the last seven days slightly killing myself mentally 705 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:54,615 to get to where you were. 706 00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,655 Trying somehow to find a way of thinking 707 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,055 that we didn't have to do this thing. 708 00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:04,415 This brutal... 709 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,775 ...really horrible thing. 710 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,415 You just changed your mind. No. 711 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,775 I... I just, erm... 712 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,495 HE EXHALES 713 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,535 what if something happened to me? what if I got ill or... 714 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,495 I don't know, anything, that meant you had to do it all on your own? 715 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:31,095 You know, I just started to think how difficult that would be for you. 716 00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,735 I mean, I'm not definitely saying we do go for termination, 717 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,655 I'm not saying that yet, I'm just saying... can we...? 718 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,095 We can keep thinking... for a bit longer. 719 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,015 OK. 720 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,215 OK, am I seeing what I think I'm seeing? 721 00:43:54,240 --> 00:44:00,695 So, I'm seeing a sharp-ended object approximately ten centimetres long, 722 00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:05,055 maybe three quarters of a centimetre wide inside the skull cavity. 723 00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,255 And what do we think that is? No idea. 724 00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,335 I need to open the skull up now. It got in pre or postmortem? 725 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,655 Again, I don't know until I open it up. 726 00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,695 But best guess? From its position, you would logically assume 727 00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:17,775 it entered through the temporal bone fracture, 728 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,615 which, when I examined it properly, 729 00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:23,135 actually contained remnants of brick dust, so... 730 00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:24,735 two theories, 731 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,815 firstly, he was being chased and at some point, 732 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,135 he tripped and fell, hitting his head on a wall, 733 00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,735 which maybe had a metal spike of some sort, 734 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,935 an old bolt from some railings or whatever, 735 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,415 and this is what killed him, breaking off inside the skull. 736 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,295 Or... 737 00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,495 he tripped and fell, hitting his head, 738 00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,615 which rendered him unconscious and, whilst unconscious, 739 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,615 he was basically stabbed through the head wound with this object. 740 00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,455 Jeez. Yeah. So... 741 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:59,815 first theory, the chase that went tragically, but accidentally, wrong. 742 00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:06,735 Second theory... this was no accident. 743 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:12,535 This was a very violent and very deliberate... 744 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,975 ...murder. Correct. 745 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:22,975 Subtitles by accessibility@itv.com 59935

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