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She lives to shock. 7 0:0:17,760 --> 0:0:20,240 With over 300 million record sales, 8 0:0:20,400 --> 0:0:23,800 Madonna's been at the top of her game for over four decades. 9 0:0:23,960 --> 0:0:25,280 But how did she get there? 10 0:0:25,440 --> 0:0:29,400 And what were the secrets behind the songs that made her a superstar? 11 0:0:29,560 --> 0:0:30,840 # Holiday... # 12 0:0:31,0 --> 0:0:32,40 From the innocent... 13 0:0:32,200 --> 0:0:34,280 MAN: Holiday is a fun, frothy pop song. 14 0:0:34,440 --> 0:0:38,160 It's light as air, and you just can't resist how wonderful it is. 15 0:0:38,320 --> 0:0:39,480 ..to the provocative. 16 0:0:39,640 --> 0:0:41,840 # Like a virgin... # 17 0:0:42,0 --> 0:0:43,640 Like A Virgin? Like...like a WHAT? 18 0:0:43,800 --> 0:0:45,240 Excuse me, lady? 19 0:0:45,400 --> 0:0:48,240 ..to the track that defined an entire era. 20 0:0:48,400 --> 0:0:53,480 If there was ever a song that captured an attitude of the time, 21 0:0:53,640 --> 0:0:55,400 that was a moment. 22 0:0:55,560 --> 0:0:59,400 # 'Cause we are living in a material world... # 23 0:0:59,560 --> 0:1:1,920 We speak to those who helped propel her to success - 24 0:1:2,80 --> 0:1:3,360 from the musicians... 25 0:1:3,520 --> 0:1:6,840 We decided maybe there's something between this song, 26 0:1:7,0 --> 0:1:9,680 and this artist, might be something magical. 27 0:1:9,840 --> 0:1:12,880 (ROBOTICALLY) # Living in a material world. # 28 0:1:13,40 --> 0:1:15,440 ..and those who sang on her big hits... 29 0:1:15,600 --> 0:1:17,600 We finished Material Girl and it was just like, 30 0:1:17,760 --> 0:1:18,920 "Oh, God, this is ridiculous. 31 0:1:19,80 --> 0:1:21,0 "People are gonna love this!" 32 0:1:21,160 --> 0:1:22,480 ..to the writers. 33 0:1:22,640 --> 0:1:24,360 MAN: We did get the response 34 0:1:24,520 --> 0:1:29,240 that no-one would ever sing a song titled 'Like A Virgin', 35 0:1:29,400 --> 0:1:34,440 but fortunately it was perfect for one singer, 36 0:1:34,600 --> 0:1:36,440 and her name was Madonna. 37 0:1:36,600 --> 0:1:39,400 # Like a virgin... # 38 0:1:39,560 --> 0:1:41,520 We reveal the ruthless ambition 39 0:1:41,680 --> 0:1:43,560 that took a struggling clubland hopeful... 40 0:1:43,720 --> 0:1:45,400 What are your dreams? What's left? 41 0:1:45,560 --> 0:1:46,720 To rule the world. 42 0:1:46,880 --> 0:1:49,480 ..to the pinnacle of global stardom. 43 0:1:49,640 --> 0:1:51,200 This is Madonna, 44 0:1:51,360 --> 0:1:54,240 and the story of the three songs that defined her career. 45 0:2:1,440 --> 0:2:3,200 Madonna Louise Ciccone - 46 0:2:3,360 --> 0:2:7,240 a dance school dropout from Michigan who went on to conquer the world, 47 0:2:7,400 --> 0:2:10,960 and enjoy a 40-year career of unparalleled success. 48 0:2:11,120 --> 0:2:15,480 It's just bigger than anything I could ever imagine. 49 0:2:16,920 --> 0:2:18,560 From New York street chic 50 0:2:18,720 --> 0:2:20,240 to Blonde Ambition, 51 0:2:20,400 --> 0:2:22,80 from leather-clad 52 0:2:22,240 --> 0:2:24,160 to Ray Of Light earth mother 53 0:2:24,320 --> 0:2:25,400 to Evita, 54 0:2:25,560 --> 0:2:27,0 over and over again 55 0:2:27,160 --> 0:2:28,680 Madonna reinvented her music and look 56 0:2:28,840 --> 0:2:31,800 to become the ultimate pop star survivor. 57 0:2:31,960 --> 0:2:34,320 MAN: Was it 16 consecutive top five hits? 58 0:2:34,480 --> 0:2:36,480 Oh, I don't know. Something like that. 59 0:2:36,640 --> 0:2:40,280 Madonna has one of the most groundbreaking careers in pop music. 60 0:2:40,440 --> 0:2:44,680 The first female pop star to have complete control over her career. 61 0:2:44,840 --> 0:2:46,840 From William Orbit to Demolition Crew, 62 0:2:47,0 --> 0:2:49,440 she's collaborated with the world's best producers 63 0:2:49,600 --> 0:2:51,600 to create the world's biggest hits. 64 0:2:51,760 --> 0:2:57,320 She is a vocalist who can bring her identity to everything she sings. 65 0:2:57,480 --> 0:2:59,920 And she's still going strong today. 66 0:3:0,80 --> 0:3:5,360 She was so...heat-seeking-missile focused on success. 67 0:3:5,520 --> 0:3:7,960 I want longevity as a human being. 68 0:3:8,120 --> 0:3:9,480 I want it to last forever. 69 0:3:9,640 --> 0:3:11,120 She was like that from the beginning 70 0:3:11,280 --> 0:3:12,760 and she's still like that now. 71 0:3:12,920 --> 0:3:16,680 But if you want to understand why Madonna took the world by storm, 72 0:3:16,840 --> 0:3:19,960 you need to explore just three huge songs - 73 0:3:20,120 --> 0:3:21,960 her first three megahits... 74 0:3:22,120 --> 0:3:23,640 # Holiday 75 0:3:23,800 --> 0:3:25,280 # Like a virgin 76 0:3:25,440 --> 0:3:28,880 # And I am a material girl 77 0:3:29,40 --> 0:3:30,760 ..to find the answer. 78 0:3:32,480 --> 0:3:36,80 MAN: We have entered ignition. Three, two, one. 79 0:3:36,240 --> 0:3:38,120 We have lift-off. 80 0:3:38,280 --> 0:3:42,240 It's 1982, and the Columbia space shuttle's taking off 81 0:3:42,400 --> 0:3:44,760 on its third mission into space. 82 0:3:44,920 --> 0:3:47,920 Jimmy Connors is bringing bad boy of tennis John McEnroe 83 0:3:48,80 --> 0:3:49,800 back down to earth. 84 0:3:49,960 --> 0:3:52,200 And the sky's the limit for Michael Jackson, 85 0:3:52,360 --> 0:3:55,680 as his Thriller album breaks all sales records. 86 0:3:57,120 --> 0:3:58,480 Meanwhile, a young Madonna Ciccone 87 0:3:58,640 --> 0:4:1,120 has risen from dance student in Michigan 88 0:4:1,280 --> 0:4:4,80 to be on the verge of releasing her first single. 89 0:4:4,240 --> 0:4:7,840 But it had been four tough years getting there. 90 0:4:8,0 --> 0:4:9,440 When Madonna was 20, 91 0:4:9,600 --> 0:4:14,200 she did what she now says is the bravest thing she ever done - 92 0:4:14,360 --> 0:4:18,80 she dropped out of dance college and she went to New York. 93 0:4:18,240 --> 0:4:20,160 She said it was the first time she'd been on a plane, 94 0:4:20,320 --> 0:4:22,280 first time she'd been in a taxi. 95 0:4:22,440 --> 0:4:25,240 She only had $35 in her pocket, 96 0:4:25,400 --> 0:4:27,920 but she had a dream and she had a belief, 97 0:4:28,80 --> 0:4:31,480 and it was for her the beginning of everything. 98 0:4:33,0 --> 0:4:35,960 Madonna worked at a Dunkin Donuts to make money. 99 0:4:36,120 --> 0:4:39,520 She lived in really cruddy, broken-down buildings 100 0:4:39,680 --> 0:4:41,480 and rough parts of town. 101 0:4:41,640 --> 0:4:45,520 To be a young woman on your own in Manhattan at the time, 102 0:4:45,680 --> 0:4:48,480 you had to be made out of pretty stern stuff. 103 0:4:48,640 --> 0:4:50,520 MADONNA: A lot of it has to do with imagination 104 0:4:50,680 --> 0:4:52,240 and the great desire and need 105 0:4:52,400 --> 0:4:56,840 to get out of that small town kind of feeling, 106 0:4:57,0 --> 0:4:58,360 go somewhere and be somebody, 107 0:4:58,520 --> 0:5:1,760 because you feel like you're missing something. 108 0:5:5,320 --> 0:5:9,520 As well as being edgy, the city was a hotbed of artistic invention. 109 0:5:9,680 --> 0:5:11,280 In and around the club scene, 110 0:5:11,440 --> 0:5:14,840 the ambitious Madonna soaked up all the influences on offer. 111 0:5:15,0 --> 0:5:17,560 So, the underground scene in New York in the early '80s, 112 0:5:17,720 --> 0:5:20,480 when Madonna was running around, was wild. 113 0:5:20,640 --> 0:5:22,120 Hiii! 114 0:5:22,280 --> 0:5:25,320 It was filled with a lot of people who didn't have a lot of money 115 0:5:25,480 --> 0:5:27,360 but who had a lot of creativity. 116 0:5:27,520 --> 0:5:30,560 I would say there was just an incredible rhythmic surge 117 0:5:30,720 --> 0:5:32,680 in New York City during that time. 118 0:5:32,840 --> 0:5:36,600 The city was raw, the city was accessible. 119 0:5:36,760 --> 0:5:40,520 You could come from anywhere, and absolutely reinvent yourself, 120 0:5:40,680 --> 0:5:42,520 and that's what Madonna did. 121 0:5:42,680 --> 0:5:45,160 There was a buzz going on with Madonna, 122 0:5:45,320 --> 0:5:47,0 because Madonna had so much charisma. 123 0:5:47,160 --> 0:5:51,840 She was really a new upcoming phenomena, you know, in New York. 124 0:5:52,0 --> 0:5:54,360 Everybody knew about her in town. 125 0:5:54,520 --> 0:5:57,560 Although New York had been at the centre of earlier music trends, 126 0:5:57,720 --> 0:6:0,0 styles were heading in new directions. 127 0:6:0,160 --> 0:6:8,160 By that time, the big crest of disco had really come and then receded. 128 0:6:8,320 --> 0:6:11,280 People still wanted to dance, but it had to change a little bit, 129 0:6:11,440 --> 0:6:14,160 and Madonna's music really... early music really reflects that. 130 0:6:14,320 --> 0:6:17,480 She'd do her act at clubs, probably with pre-recorded music, 131 0:6:17,640 --> 0:6:19,720 doing, like, dance stuff at clubs. 132 0:6:19,880 --> 0:6:22,480 It was about the music, the presentation, the visual image. 133 0:6:22,640 --> 0:6:26,40 You can see that she's very influenced by people like Debbie Harry, 134 0:6:26,200 --> 0:6:29,80 who had that kind of glamour and grit. 135 0:6:29,240 --> 0:6:30,800 MADONNA: I was inspired by Debbie Harry, 136 0:6:30,960 --> 0:6:34,160 because she seemed very in charge of what she was doing, 137 0:6:34,320 --> 0:6:39,920 and she also had a sort of wittiness about her, and street smarts. 138 0:6:40,80 --> 0:6:42,680 I liked her. She was a role model. 139 0:6:42,840 --> 0:6:46,240 Grace Jones is also the apotheosis of it. 140 0:6:46,400 --> 0:6:49,0 # Pull up to the bumper, baby 141 0:6:49,160 --> 0:6:51,880 # In your long black limousine 142 0:6:53,560 --> 0:6:55,440 You don't just get music on its own. 143 0:6:55,600 --> 0:6:58,360 What you get is the music matches the attitude 144 0:6:58,520 --> 0:7:2,400 which matches the visuals which matches the videos. 145 0:7:2,560 --> 0:7:4,600 After months on the music circuit fringe, 146 0:7:4,760 --> 0:7:6,680 Madonna signed her first record deal, 147 0:7:6,840 --> 0:7:8,760 and in October 1982, 148 0:7:8,920 --> 0:7:12,240 her label released her debut single, Everybody. 149 0:7:12,400 --> 0:7:14,80 # Everybody 150 0:7:14,240 --> 0:7:16,440 # Come on, dance and sing 151 0:7:16,600 --> 0:7:18,200 # Everybody 152 0:7:18,360 --> 0:7:20,160 # Get up and do your thing 153 0:7:20,320 --> 0:7:22,760 We had heard her sing Everybody, the song. 154 0:7:22,920 --> 0:7:24,640 # Everybody. # You know? 155 0:7:24,800 --> 0:7:26,280 Which is sort of like a singalong, 156 0:7:26,440 --> 0:7:28,560 so we were very impressed with it, 157 0:7:28,720 --> 0:7:31,280 and I liked it a lot when I first heard it. 158 0:7:31,440 --> 0:7:33,360 MATTHEW RETTENMUND: Everybody is like an anthem, 159 0:7:33,520 --> 0:7:34,760 but it's a very low-key anthem. 160 0:7:34,920 --> 0:7:37,120 It's a post disco sound. 161 0:7:37,280 --> 0:7:40,480 So, it's kinda like you can imagine being in the afterhours club, 162 0:7:40,640 --> 0:7:43,840 as opposed to frenetically dancing on the dance floor. 163 0:7:44,0 --> 0:7:48,0 The song may have been low-key, but the singer had high-powered friends, 164 0:7:48,160 --> 0:7:50,280 and in her determination to be a success, 165 0:7:50,440 --> 0:7:52,280 she was prepared to call on them. 166 0:7:52,440 --> 0:7:56,320 Madonna had been dating the DJ at Danceteria, Mark Kamins, 167 0:7:56,480 --> 0:7:58,840 and she decided that she was going to impress upon Mark 168 0:7:59,0 --> 0:8:1,320 that he needed to play this music. 169 0:8:1,480 --> 0:8:3,720 Now, this is his beautiful girlfriend, 170 0:8:3,880 --> 0:8:5,560 and it's a song that he liked, 171 0:8:5,720 --> 0:8:8,560 but he was afraid because he thought, "What if everybody stops dancing?" 172 0:8:8,720 --> 0:8:10,280 But he took the risk. He played it. 173 0:8:10,440 --> 0:8:12,720 And nobody stopped dancing. Everybody continued dancing. 174 0:8:12,880 --> 0:8:14,400 They loved it. 175 0:8:14,560 --> 0:8:16,440 Loved it and bought it. 176 0:8:16,600 --> 0:8:19,320 Not only did the song become a clubland favourite, 177 0:8:19,480 --> 0:8:22,480 it reached the top five in the US dance charts. 178 0:8:22,640 --> 0:8:26,200 DAVID GRANT: It's the world superstar in embryo. 179 0:8:26,360 --> 0:8:28,440 You can't yet tell she's going to be a superstar, 180 0:8:28,600 --> 0:8:31,160 but what you can tell is she has an identity, 181 0:8:31,320 --> 0:8:34,640 she has an attitude, and she has a presence, 182 0:8:34,800 --> 0:8:36,120 and it's all there. 183 0:8:36,280 --> 0:8:39,760 # But you don't even know I'm alive 184 0:8:39,920 --> 0:8:43,40 # And this pounding in my heart just won't die 185 0:8:43,200 --> 0:8:44,360 # I'm burning up 186 0:8:44,520 --> 0:8:46,880 Keen to cash in on her early success, 187 0:8:47,40 --> 0:8:51,280 Madonna's label rushed out a follow-up dance single, Burning Up. 188 0:8:51,440 --> 0:8:53,480 # I'm burning up, burning up for your love 189 0:8:53,640 --> 0:8:54,920 # I'm burning up 190 0:8:55,80 --> 0:8:56,720 # Burning up for your love 191 0:8:56,880 --> 0:9:3,280 I really enjoyed Madonna's first singles, Burning Up and Everybody. 192 0:9:3,440 --> 0:9:7,80 They were so melodic, poppy and dancy all at the same time, 193 0:9:7,240 --> 0:9:9,720 and then I saw a photograph of her. 194 0:9:9,880 --> 0:9:12,120 I thought, "OK, she's sort of a contender here." 195 0:9:12,280 --> 0:9:15,760 Because she was combining this street look 196 0:9:15,920 --> 0:9:18,960 with this very accessible pop sound. 197 0:9:19,120 --> 0:9:21,440 # Now tell me what you want me to do 198 0:9:21,600 --> 0:9:24,640 # I'm not blind and I know 199 0:9:24,800 --> 0:9:28,240 # That you want to want me but you can't let go 200 0:9:28,400 --> 0:9:29,440 # Come on, let go! 201 0:9:29,600 --> 0:9:32,80 It wasn't a hit, but that almost doesn't matter, 202 0:9:32,240 --> 0:9:34,520 because every journey starts with a step, 203 0:9:34,680 --> 0:9:39,0 and Burning Up is a very small but significant step. 204 0:9:39,160 --> 0:9:41,320 A much bigger step came six months later. 205 0:9:41,480 --> 0:9:43,720 Madonna released a feel-good pop anthem 206 0:9:43,880 --> 0:9:47,640 that would take her out of the dance charts and into the mainstream. 207 0:9:47,800 --> 0:9:49,240 # Holiday 208 0:9:51,560 --> 0:9:53,160 # Celebrate 209 0:9:55,960 --> 0:9:59,800 Holiday is a fun, frothy pop song. The meaning isn't super deep. 210 0:9:59,960 --> 0:10:4,80 It's just a song about partying and having a little bit of fun. 211 0:10:4,240 --> 0:10:6,640 # If we took a holiday 212 0:10:8,240 --> 0:10:10,0 The upbeat lyrics were no accident. 213 0:10:10,160 --> 0:10:13,160 They were written as an antidote to the depressing events 214 0:10:13,320 --> 0:10:16,560 that dominated the early '80s news cycle. 215 0:10:16,720 --> 0:10:18,760 # It would be 216 0:10:18,920 --> 0:10:21,40 # It would be so nice 217 0:10:21,200 --> 0:10:25,400 I was inspired by watching the television news at the time. 218 0:10:25,560 --> 0:10:29,360 It was troubling to see so much turmoil and just confusion. 219 0:10:29,520 --> 0:10:32,920 So, it came to me like, if we just had one day 220 0:10:33,80 --> 0:10:35,760 that we can just stop everywhere all over the world, 221 0:10:35,920 --> 0:10:38,320 that would be, like, a really great thing. 222 0:10:38,480 --> 0:10:41,880 So the lyrics came - "If we took a holiday, 223 0:10:42,40 --> 0:10:43,960 "took some time to celebrate, 224 0:10:44,120 --> 0:10:47,80 "just one day out of life, it would be so nice." 225 0:10:47,240 --> 0:10:50,760 Sometimes when people are going through very difficult situations, 226 0:10:50,920 --> 0:10:54,80 simplicity sticks the landing better than sophistication. 227 0:10:54,240 --> 0:10:57,600 Something that just lifts your spirits because it's light as air, 228 0:10:57,760 --> 0:11:0,280 and you just can't resist how wonderful it is. 229 0:11:0,440 --> 0:11:2,280 The melody went like this. 230 0:11:2,440 --> 0:11:4,440 (PLAYS MAIN MELODY TO 'HOLIDAY') 231 0:11:4,600 --> 0:11:8,80 # If we took a holiday 232 0:11:9,560 --> 0:11:12,440 # Took some time to celebrate 233 0:11:12,600 --> 0:11:15,200 By the time Curtis offered Holiday to Madonna, 234 0:11:15,360 --> 0:11:18,240 two other artists had already turned the song down. 235 0:11:18,400 --> 0:11:22,480 But her recording would deliver the stardom she'd always craved. 236 0:11:22,640 --> 0:11:24,800 # Everybody spread the word 237 0:11:24,960 --> 0:11:26,960 DAVID: Holiday was like a wrecking ball 238 0:11:27,120 --> 0:11:30,120 that smashed the wall that Madonna had been facing. 239 0:11:30,280 --> 0:11:32,200 It was her pop breakthrough. 240 0:11:32,360 --> 0:11:34,240 And it was the start of her becoming 241 0:11:34,400 --> 0:11:36,0 one of the biggest stars on the planet. 242 0:11:39,40 --> 0:11:40,605 (APPLAUSE, CHEERING) 243 0:11:42,120 --> 0:11:45,960 It's 1983 and Madonna has risen from dance school drop-out 244 0:11:46,120 --> 0:11:47,960 to dance chart star. 245 0:11:48,120 --> 0:11:50,360 This is the story behind the three songs 246 0:11:50,520 --> 0:11:53,400 that launched her into global superstardom. 247 0:11:53,560 --> 0:11:55,80 # Holiday 248 0:11:55,240 --> 0:11:58,600 With the first, Holiday, just about to be released, 249 0:11:58,760 --> 0:12:0,800 it was her first mainstream pop song, 250 0:12:0,960 --> 0:12:3,320 and would go on to be a hit across the globe. 251 0:12:4,920 --> 0:12:7,80 # Celebrate 252 0:12:7,240 --> 0:12:9,360 But while the song had worldwide appeal, 253 0:12:9,520 --> 0:12:13,280 it was rooted in New York's disco-influenced R&B scene. 254 0:12:13,440 --> 0:12:15,880 CURTIS HUDSON: I was in a band called Pure Energy. 255 0:12:16,40 --> 0:12:20,320 It consisted of myself, Raymond Hudson - my brother, 256 0:12:20,480 --> 0:12:23,320 and Lisa Stevens, the lead singer. 257 0:12:23,480 --> 0:12:29,160 Lisa had these chords. # Da, ba, ba, ba. # 258 0:12:29,320 --> 0:12:32,920 I wrote everything else in the song - 259 0:12:33,80 --> 0:12:37,0 the melody, the lyrics, the arrangement, 260 0:12:37,160 --> 0:12:39,320 everything else was my ideas. 261 0:12:39,480 --> 0:12:46,320 As soon as we got to the point that we heard the intro part of Holiday, 262 0:12:46,480 --> 0:12:47,920 the... (SINGS INTRO MELODY) 263 0:12:48,80 --> 0:12:50,240 (INTRO TO 'HOLIDAY' PLAYS) 264 0:12:51,640 --> 0:12:53,0 When Curtis created that part, 265 0:12:53,160 --> 0:12:57,360 we knew the song had a certain...energy, I would say. 266 0:12:57,520 --> 0:12:59,360 It was a positive energy. 267 0:12:59,520 --> 0:13:2,240 And we was like, "We gotta do something with this song." 268 0:13:2,400 --> 0:13:5,720 Holiday had all the elements a catchy pop anthem needed. 269 0:13:5,880 --> 0:13:9,240 But if Pure Energy thought it would make THEM famous, they were wrong. 270 0:13:9,400 --> 0:13:11,840 CURTIS: When we finished recording the demo, 271 0:13:12,0 --> 0:13:13,520 I let tons of people hear it, 272 0:13:13,680 --> 0:13:15,880 and when...every time Holiday would come on, 273 0:13:16,40 --> 0:13:18,320 everyone would say, "That's a hit." 274 0:13:18,480 --> 0:13:21,720 "Stop, play that again. That song is a hit." 275 0:13:21,880 --> 0:13:25,0 And we were hoping that it would be the song that launched us, 276 0:13:25,160 --> 0:13:28,120 but our record label, they turned it down, 277 0:13:28,280 --> 0:13:32,40 and that's when we decided we were going to shop the song to other artists. 278 0:13:33,240 --> 0:13:35,640 Two of those artists turned the song down 279 0:13:35,800 --> 0:13:37,720 but, remaining convinced of its potential, 280 0:13:37,880 --> 0:13:41,520 Curtis and his bandmates turned to their New York disco contacts. 281 0:13:41,680 --> 0:13:44,720 We had a relationship with Jellybean John Benitez. 282 0:13:44,880 --> 0:13:49,280 Jellybean was a very influential DJ, and he wasn't just in one club - 283 0:13:49,440 --> 0:13:52,480 he was in about sort of six clubs, including Studio 54. 284 0:13:52,640 --> 0:13:55,920 RAYMOND: There was 3,000, 4,000 people in his club, 285 0:13:56,80 --> 0:13:59,880 and if he spin your song and your song catch on, 286 0:14:0,40 --> 0:14:4,120 nine times out of ten, your song was probably going to be a hit. 287 0:14:4,280 --> 0:14:7,600 But it was Jellybean's romantic rather than clubland connections 288 0:14:7,760 --> 0:14:9,800 that landed the perfect artist. 289 0:14:9,960 --> 0:14:11,920 JOE LYNCH: Madonna and he hooked up, 290 0:14:12,80 --> 0:14:13,920 and I think it was very fortuitous 291 0:14:14,80 --> 0:14:16,720 that they happened to come together that time. 292 0:14:16,880 --> 0:14:18,120 They were dating for a while. 293 0:14:18,280 --> 0:14:19,960 I mean, I don't know how serious, 294 0:14:20,120 --> 0:14:23,960 but we know that they were very close, very close. 295 0:14:24,120 --> 0:14:25,720 That's how we ended up meeting Madonna, 296 0:14:25,880 --> 0:14:28,920 because what we did was we went to this club called the Funhouse 297 0:14:29,80 --> 0:14:32,600 where Jellybean was a big DJ, and he invited Madonna there. 298 0:14:32,760 --> 0:14:35,880 After we met with her, she told us she loved the song, 299 0:14:36,40 --> 0:14:40,600 and, you know, pretty much asked us could she do the song. 300 0:14:40,760 --> 0:14:42,600 And as a whole, we decided 301 0:14:42,760 --> 0:14:47,160 that maybe there's something between this song and this artist. 302 0:14:47,320 --> 0:14:49,320 Might be something magical. 303 0:14:51,400 --> 0:14:54,120 With the agreement struck, Madonna turned up at the studio 304 0:14:54,280 --> 0:14:56,640 ready to record Pure Energy's song. 305 0:14:56,800 --> 0:15:0,840 But right from the start, she made it clear it was now HER song. 306 0:15:1,0 --> 0:15:3,200 Madonna comes in the door singing Holiday. 307 0:15:3,360 --> 0:15:5,160 # Holiday, celebrate. # 308 0:15:5,320 --> 0:15:6,680 She was, like, really happy about it. 309 0:15:6,840 --> 0:15:8,640 So, we knew that Holiday gonna be good for Madonna. 310 0:15:8,800 --> 0:15:12,680 She was watching everything that happened in the studio. 311 0:15:12,840 --> 0:15:17,160 She wanted make sure that nothing did mess the song up 312 0:15:17,320 --> 0:15:18,520 or hurt the song. 313 0:15:18,680 --> 0:15:21,240 (HUMS MELODY) 314 0:15:21,400 --> 0:15:24,560 I remember when I was doing the guitar parts 315 0:15:24,720 --> 0:15:27,120 and I was playing it a certain way, 316 0:15:27,280 --> 0:15:30,720 and she stopped and said, "Do you have to do that? 317 0:15:30,880 --> 0:15:34,40 "You can hear the bounce on the strings." 318 0:15:45,400 --> 0:15:50,80 So, when you put the two of those together, it's a very funky track. 319 0:15:54,800 --> 0:15:57,280 That's what they call the funk, you know? 320 0:15:57,440 --> 0:16:0,720 It's the guitar pick hitting up against the strings 321 0:16:0,880 --> 0:16:3,720 that give it a funky, you know, rhythmic feel. 322 0:16:7,160 --> 0:16:8,760 She was like, "But can you do that without... 323 0:16:8,920 --> 0:16:10,80 "..play it without doing it?" 324 0:16:10,240 --> 0:16:12,880 I said, "Yes, but I don't wanna do that." 325 0:16:13,40 --> 0:16:17,560 And so we kinda, like, had a little, debate about it, 326 0:16:17,720 --> 0:16:20,400 and I think Jellybean shut it down, you know, 327 0:16:20,560 --> 0:16:22,800 sort of like, "He's the guitarist, let him play it." 328 0:16:22,960 --> 0:16:25,680 How many artists even pay attention to that, you know? 329 0:16:25,840 --> 0:16:27,200 So I was annoyed a little bit, 330 0:16:27,360 --> 0:16:29,360 but I was kinda impressed at the same time. 331 0:16:29,520 --> 0:16:31,440 The thing about many artists, 332 0:16:31,600 --> 0:16:36,0 you see their personalities change with, you know, the attention, 333 0:16:36,160 --> 0:16:37,760 the money and the publicity. 334 0:16:37,920 --> 0:16:39,960 Madonna was always the same. 335 0:16:40,120 --> 0:16:41,640 So, when she hadn't sold a record, 336 0:16:41,800 --> 0:16:44,960 she was as difficult as when she'd sold 50 million records, 337 0:16:45,120 --> 0:16:46,760 because she knew her own mind, 338 0:16:46,920 --> 0:16:49,400 and she was generally always right. 339 0:16:49,560 --> 0:16:51,840 # If we took a holiday 340 0:16:52,0 --> 0:16:55,160 Madonna may have been difficult over the instrumentals, 341 0:16:55,320 --> 0:16:58,800 but when it came to laying down her vocals, she was downright demanding. 342 0:16:58,960 --> 0:17:1,440 Other than the producer, she order everyone out, 343 0:17:1,600 --> 0:17:4,560 including original vocalist Lisa Stevens. 344 0:17:4,720 --> 0:17:9,720 Jellybean informed us, "Well, Madonna don't want anybody to be in the studio." 345 0:17:9,880 --> 0:17:12,760 So we was like, "OK," you know? 346 0:17:12,920 --> 0:17:16,200 I mean, I kinda felt bad, 'cause Raymond and myself, 347 0:17:16,360 --> 0:17:19,440 we were there in the session for the rhythm track, 348 0:17:19,600 --> 0:17:21,400 we was participating in that, 349 0:17:21,560 --> 0:17:24,880 and Lisa was like...I guess she was saying, "OK, vocals next," 350 0:17:25,40 --> 0:17:28,160 and Madonna had a different idea. 351 0:17:28,320 --> 0:17:33,320 Even at this young age, she would take no bull from anybody. 352 0:17:33,480 --> 0:17:38,40 She would believe what she believed and she trusted her own instinct. 353 0:17:38,200 --> 0:17:41,840 And time after time she proved to be right. 354 0:17:42,0 --> 0:17:43,680 RAYMOND: She brought a sort of innocence 355 0:17:43,840 --> 0:17:46,160 that's gonna to appeal to a lot of young people, 356 0:17:46,320 --> 0:17:49,600 and she brought her liveness, she brought her identity, 357 0:17:49,760 --> 0:17:53,920 she brought energy, she brought her style. 358 0:17:54,80 --> 0:17:55,600 We wasn't in the studio at all. 359 0:17:55,760 --> 0:17:59,760 That's why we were surprised when we did hear her final vocals. 360 0:17:59,920 --> 0:18:2,280 It was, like, "Wow, OK, they sound good." 361 0:18:2,440 --> 0:18:5,920 DAVID: Madonna at this stage was a great vocalist, 362 0:18:6,80 --> 0:18:9,160 because she had something that you'd not get on a lot of club records - 363 0:18:9,320 --> 0:18:11,360 her diction was really clear. 364 0:18:11,520 --> 0:18:14,360 And she sounded like she was riding the rhythm, 365 0:18:14,520 --> 0:18:17,520 and just kind of almost speak-singing the words. 366 0:18:17,680 --> 0:18:21,560 # If we took a holiday. # No riffs, empty the space. 367 0:18:21,720 --> 0:18:23,960 # If we took a holiday 368 0:18:26,80 --> 0:18:28,360 # Just one time to celebrate. # 369 0:18:28,520 --> 0:18:29,960 Empty the space. 370 0:18:30,120 --> 0:18:32,480 # Took some time to celebrate 371 0:18:34,240 --> 0:18:36,360 # Just one day out of life 372 0:18:38,240 --> 0:18:40,280 # It would be 373 0:18:40,440 --> 0:18:42,720 # It would be so nice 374 0:18:42,880 --> 0:18:46,480 Madonna was all about rhythm and attitude and vibe, 375 0:18:46,640 --> 0:18:49,760 and Holiday had all of those imprints. 376 0:18:49,920 --> 0:18:52,480 Holiday was the first showcase for a vocal style 377 0:18:52,640 --> 0:18:56,280 that would soon become instantly recognisable all over the world, 378 0:18:56,440 --> 0:18:59,40 and was an important step towards the global phenomenon 379 0:18:59,200 --> 0:19:1,520 that Madonna would soon become. 380 0:19:1,680 --> 0:19:4,640 It quickly became a mainstream American radio favourite, 381 0:19:4,800 --> 0:19:8,760 and reached number 16 on the all-important US Billboard chart. 382 0:19:8,920 --> 0:19:11,640 Madonna was a mere disco artist no more. 383 0:19:11,800 --> 0:19:13,640 Holiday took her to the next level. 384 0:19:13,800 --> 0:19:16,40 I mean, that was really getting radio play, 385 0:19:16,200 --> 0:19:19,440 and people were aware of Madonna. 386 0:19:19,600 --> 0:19:21,440 She was a force to contend with. 387 0:19:21,600 --> 0:19:27,80 Holiday was her pop breakthrough. It was irritatingly unforgettable. 388 0:19:27,240 --> 0:19:29,960 It kind of works its way into you. 389 0:19:30,120 --> 0:19:32,80 # Celebrate 390 0:19:34,80 --> 0:19:35,800 # Holiday 391 0:19:38,440 --> 0:19:40,640 All those involved in the recording of Holiday 392 0:19:40,800 --> 0:19:42,0 believed it would be a hit, 393 0:19:42,160 --> 0:19:44,560 but surprisingly, record company Warner Brothers 394 0:19:44,720 --> 0:19:47,120 hadn't even bothered to produce a promotional video. 395 0:19:47,280 --> 0:19:49,40 # Took some time to celebrate 396 0:19:49,200 --> 0:19:51,320 JOE LYNCH: There are a couple of performances Madonna gave 397 0:19:51,480 --> 0:19:53,400 for a little LipSync promotion spot, 398 0:19:53,560 --> 0:19:56,640 and those sort of ended up being what was used as the video 399 0:19:56,800 --> 0:19:58,640 in people's minds. 400 0:19:58,800 --> 0:20:3,440 The video is absolutely charming, because she's so free in it. 401 0:20:3,600 --> 0:20:5,120 The dancing is kind of goofy. 402 0:20:5,280 --> 0:20:8,560 It's a little bit like doing the sailor's Hornpipe. 403 0:20:8,720 --> 0:20:11,800 DAVID: It's great - she's got this kind of skipping little dance that she does, 404 0:20:11,960 --> 0:20:15,0 but it's the same dance that she did every time she performed this. 405 0:20:15,160 --> 0:20:17,80 The kind of swaying from side to side. 406 0:20:17,240 --> 0:20:22,120 She knows exactly where the cameras are. She looks fantastic. 407 0:20:24,920 --> 0:20:28,360 Those looks caught the public's attention as much as the music. 408 0:20:28,520 --> 0:20:31,360 The first of many Madonna styles was born. 409 0:20:31,520 --> 0:20:35,960 Madonna's image, when she first burst upon to the scene in 1983, 410 0:20:36,120 --> 0:20:39,320 it was very New York thrift bohemian, 411 0:20:39,480 --> 0:20:43,720 with the fishnets and the distressed denim and leather. 412 0:20:43,880 --> 0:20:46,400 We have the scarf in the tousled hair. 413 0:20:46,560 --> 0:20:49,760 We've got the really acutely defined lips, 414 0:20:49,920 --> 0:20:54,600 loose top, the layers, the skirts, the little dancer leggings. 415 0:20:54,760 --> 0:20:59,760 She looks like a cute broke New York dancer on her day off. 416 0:20:59,920 --> 0:21:2,40 It kind of took America by storm. 417 0:21:2,200 --> 0:21:6,160 You know, the mall was just a sea of teenage girls 418 0:21:6,320 --> 0:21:7,600 trying to dress up like her. 419 0:21:7,760 --> 0:21:10,680 It was an iconic look that was endlessly copied, 420 0:21:10,840 --> 0:21:14,400 not just amongst her fans but amongst other pop stars too. 421 0:21:14,560 --> 0:21:17,320 The street style may have looked thrown together, 422 0:21:17,480 --> 0:21:20,400 but every aspect was carefully thought through, 423 0:21:20,560 --> 0:21:22,440 as photographer Richard Corman found out 424 0:21:22,600 --> 0:21:24,760 during one of her first professional shoots. 425 0:21:24,920 --> 0:21:27,920 RICHARD: I had never met anybody like Madonna. 426 0:21:28,80 --> 0:21:31,720 From her dark roots in her hair to her red lips 427 0:21:31,880 --> 0:21:33,720 to the makeup on her eyes 428 0:21:33,880 --> 0:21:38,400 to the way she was dressed - the torn jeans, the jewellery. 429 0:21:38,560 --> 0:21:40,840 She was living art. 430 0:21:41,0 --> 0:21:44,320 I knew I was in the throes of something remarkable. 431 0:21:46,80 --> 0:21:49,920 Her sexuality was a part of every photograph we took, 432 0:21:50,80 --> 0:21:53,40 whether it was through her humour, 433 0:21:53,200 --> 0:21:57,280 whether it was the way she looked into the camera... 434 0:21:57,440 --> 0:22:2,80 She made an ordinary stove sexy and funny and playful, 435 0:22:2,240 --> 0:22:4,720 and charismatic and three-dimensional 436 0:22:4,880 --> 0:22:6,720 unlike anybody could have. 437 0:22:7,800 --> 0:22:12,800 Working with Madonna, it was jaw-dropping for me 438 0:22:12,960 --> 0:22:15,600 because I had never seen somebody 439 0:22:15,760 --> 0:22:18,880 that was so comfortable in her own skin. 440 0:22:19,40 --> 0:22:22,600 And if she wasn't, you know, I was totally fooled. 441 0:22:23,760 --> 0:22:26,760 With mounting record sales and magazine front covers, 442 0:22:26,920 --> 0:22:29,920 it was time for the next step in Madonna's transformation 443 0:22:30,80 --> 0:22:32,0 into a key cultural figure. 444 0:22:32,160 --> 0:22:35,960 It came with an appearance on America's premier TV music show. 445 0:22:36,120 --> 0:22:39,960 American Bandstand is a pop music institution on US television. 446 0:22:40,120 --> 0:22:42,840 The fact that Madonna was on such an iconic show 447 0:22:43,0 --> 0:22:45,240 was really important. 448 0:22:45,400 --> 0:22:46,840 To those who'd worked with her, 449 0:22:47,0 --> 0:22:49,360 Madonna's ruthless ambition was an open secret. 450 0:22:49,520 --> 0:22:52,40 Now she was about to share it with everyone. 451 0:22:52,200 --> 0:22:53,840 What are your dreams? What's next? 452 0:22:54,0 --> 0:22:55,280 To rule the world. 453 0:22:57,720 --> 0:23:1,360 And you just think, "Whoa. What hubris." 454 0:23:1,520 --> 0:23:3,400 But, my God, she was right. 455 0:23:3,560 --> 0:23:5,840 There's plenty of talented people out there - 456 0:23:6,0 --> 0:23:8,480 more talented, much more talented, than Madonna. 457 0:23:8,640 --> 0:23:11,360 But they do not have that drive. 458 0:23:11,520 --> 0:23:12,960 It had taken barely a year 459 0:23:13,120 --> 0:23:16,960 for Madonna to move from an obscure dance artist to mainstream star, 460 0:23:17,120 --> 0:23:20,0 and she would always have this song to thank. 461 0:23:20,160 --> 0:23:21,680 # Let's celebrate 462 0:23:21,840 --> 0:23:23,560 DAVID: Holiday was like a wrecking ball 463 0:23:23,720 --> 0:23:27,0 that smashed the wall that Madonna had been facing. 464 0:23:27,160 --> 0:23:30,760 It was her pop breakthrough, and it was the start of her becoming 465 0:23:30,920 --> 0:23:33,600 one of the biggest stars on the planet. 466 0:23:33,760 --> 0:23:39,480 Holiday was a great entry level song for future Madonna fans. 467 0:23:39,640 --> 0:23:43,880 It was just the fun Madonna, the escapist Madonna. 468 0:23:44,40 --> 0:23:46,40 # You're so fine 469 0:23:46,200 --> 0:23:47,600 # And you're mine 470 0:23:47,760 --> 0:23:51,440 But there was a series of other Madonnas already in the pipeline 471 0:23:51,600 --> 0:23:55,360 and as the styles kept changing, the hits kept coming. 472 0:23:56,640 --> 0:23:57,800 # Make everything alright 473 0:23:57,960 --> 0:24:1,280 By 1984, Madonna was an established pop act, 474 0:24:1,440 --> 0:24:3,320 following up her breakthrough hit, Holiday, 475 0:24:3,480 --> 0:24:5,400 with the equally catchy Lucky Star. 476 0:24:5,560 --> 0:24:8,280 # You must be my lucky star 477 0:24:8,440 --> 0:24:12,680 Her sound and image had inspired other female artists... 478 0:24:14,80 --> 0:24:17,800 ..and soon rivals, like Cyndi Lauper, were vying to take her place. 479 0:24:17,960 --> 0:24:21,0 # Girls, they wanna have fun 480 0:24:21,160 --> 0:24:24,160 Madonna knew she had to hit back. 481 0:24:24,320 --> 0:24:27,520 Her next release, Borderline, hit the top ten. 482 0:24:27,680 --> 0:24:29,880 # Borderline 483 0:24:30,40 --> 0:24:33,760 But behind the scenes, she was working on something much bigger. 484 0:24:33,920 --> 0:24:38,240 ROB DICKINS: With Madonna, all of the hit singles were building blocks. 485 0:24:38,400 --> 0:24:40,920 We were building a success route, 486 0:24:41,80 --> 0:24:43,520 and it got bigger and bigger and bigger 487 0:24:43,680 --> 0:24:48,80 to make her into the huge star she became. 488 0:24:48,240 --> 0:24:51,0 The key to that stardom arrives later that year, 489 0:24:51,160 --> 0:24:54,840 with a track that was to smash away convention, confront controversy, 490 0:24:55,0 --> 0:24:58,800 and put Madonna in an unassailable position in global pop. 491 0:24:58,960 --> 0:25:0,400 Hi, we're in New York, 492 0:25:0,560 --> 0:25:4,520 and here's a song from my new album, entitled Like A Virgin. 493 0:25:4,680 --> 0:25:7,600 # Like a virgin 494 0:25:7,760 --> 0:25:12,40 # Touched for the very first time 495 0:25:12,200 --> 0:25:15,880 # Like a virgin 496 0:25:16,40 --> 0:25:19,720 Like A Virgin broke Madonna on a worldwide stage. 497 0:25:19,880 --> 0:25:24,320 Holiday had been her breakthrough, but this was her golden ticket. 498 0:25:24,480 --> 0:25:27,440 Like A Virgin was Madonna's first number one hit. 499 0:25:27,600 --> 0:25:32,400 It's really one of the more fascinating songs in pop history. 500 0:25:32,560 --> 0:25:34,880 MATTHEW: Hearing Like A Virgin for the first time was a shock, 501 0:25:35,40 --> 0:25:39,0 because the word 'virgin' wasn't really used on the radio. 502 0:25:39,160 --> 0:25:40,760 Like A Virgin? Like a what? 503 0:25:40,920 --> 0:25:43,240 Excuse me, lady? Like A Virgin? 504 0:25:43,400 --> 0:25:45,440 You know, those days are gone for you. 505 0:25:45,600 --> 0:25:47,120 (ETERNAL FLAME BY THE BANGLES PLAYS) 506 0:25:47,280 --> 0:25:50,200 Like a Virgin came from the pens of Billy Steinberg and Tom Kelly, 507 0:25:50,360 --> 0:25:53,200 the celebrated duo behind a string of top ten hits 508 0:25:53,360 --> 0:25:55,560 for other artists across the '80s. 509 0:25:55,720 --> 0:25:58,240 # Say my name 510 0:25:58,400 --> 0:26:3,240 Billy Steinberg and Tom Kelly co-wrote so many great '80s pop songs. 511 0:26:3,400 --> 0:26:5,560 I'm thinking about I Drove All Night. 512 0:26:5,720 --> 0:26:6,960 True Colors was another one. 513 0:26:7,120 --> 0:26:8,760 Such deft songwriting. 514 0:26:8,920 --> 0:26:13,80 # True colors are shining through 515 0:26:13,240 --> 0:26:16,840 Steinberg and Kelly had never worked with Madonna before, 516 0:26:17,0 --> 0:26:19,360 and they didn't compose the track with her in mind. 517 0:26:19,520 --> 0:26:25,720 The song tells the story about how I extricated myself 518 0:26:25,880 --> 0:26:29,80 from a very difficult relationship 519 0:26:29,240 --> 0:26:34,600 and found myself in a new, joyous relationship, 520 0:26:34,760 --> 0:26:38,840 which made me feel shiny and new. 521 0:26:39,0 --> 0:26:44,80 # Yeah, you made me feel shiny and new 522 0:26:44,240 --> 0:26:46,600 Like a virgin. 523 0:26:46,760 --> 0:26:49,240 # Hey Like a virgin 524 0:26:49,400 --> 0:26:51,120 KATIE: I was really surprised to find out 525 0:26:51,280 --> 0:26:52,400 that it was written by a man 526 0:26:52,560 --> 0:26:54,520 reflecting on a time in his life 527 0:26:54,680 --> 0:26:57,200 when he'd come out of a bad relationship 528 0:26:57,360 --> 0:26:59,760 and was sort of finding his mojo again. 529 0:26:59,920 --> 0:27:3,560 I did feel when I came up with the title 530 0:27:3,720 --> 0:27:9,360 that I had something special and something a bit irreverent, 531 0:27:9,520 --> 0:27:14,280 and something that would tickle people's imaginations, 532 0:27:14,440 --> 0:27:17,480 and sense of the word 'virgin'. 533 0:27:17,640 --> 0:27:21,640 I kind of got that, that it would be provocative. 534 0:27:21,800 --> 0:27:23,640 With the risque chorus completed, 535 0:27:23,800 --> 0:27:25,880 Billy and songwriting partner Tom Kelly 536 0:27:26,40 --> 0:27:28,40 began working on the rest of the track. 537 0:27:28,200 --> 0:27:33,40 We didn't find the right direction for the music immediately, 538 0:27:33,200 --> 0:27:36,200 and then he started to play a bass line 539 0:27:36,360 --> 0:27:40,440 that resembled I Can't Help Myself by The Four Tops. 540 0:27:51,400 --> 0:27:56,640 He was playing that baseline, I propped the lyrics on the piano, 541 0:27:56,800 --> 0:28:0,760 and he started singing falsetto "I made it through the wilderness", 542 0:28:0,920 --> 0:28:2,840 "Somehow I made it through". 543 0:28:3,0 --> 0:28:6,680 TOM KELLY: (SINGS FALSETTO) # I made it through the wilderness 544 0:28:6,840 --> 0:28:10,240 # Somehow I made it through 545 0:28:13,0 --> 0:28:18,240 # Didn't know how lost I was until I found you 546 0:28:19,680 --> 0:28:24,360 I said, "That's it," and then the song quickly wrote itself. 547 0:28:24,520 --> 0:28:27,800 It may only have been a demo version, but Tom Kelly's falsetto 548 0:28:27,960 --> 0:28:31,200 became the blueprint for Madonna's final vocal. 549 0:28:31,360 --> 0:28:35,880 An interesting part of it is the fade at the end of the demo, 550 0:28:36,40 --> 0:28:43,40 because you can really hear how she copied all Tom's ad libs 551 0:28:43,200 --> 0:28:45,120 as our demo was fading out. 552 0:28:46,680 --> 0:28:48,720 # And you hold me 553 0:28:48,880 --> 0:28:51,40 # And you love me 554 0:28:51,200 --> 0:28:54,120 # Oh, oh, ohh 555 0:28:54,280 --> 0:28:57,800 Madonna just basically lifted the whole performance. 556 0:28:57,960 --> 0:29:0,240 Like, she just copied it from beginning to end, 557 0:29:0,400 --> 0:29:4,800 including all of the little sighs and oohs and aahs, 558 0:29:4,960 --> 0:29:8,560 and even just some things that are said on the outro of the record. 559 0:29:8,720 --> 0:29:11,840 I mean, that's how perfectly conceived it was, 560 0:29:12,0 --> 0:29:13,800 from songwriting to demo. 561 0:29:13,960 --> 0:29:16,360 Brilliantly conceived but tough to sell. 562 0:29:16,520 --> 0:29:19,240 When Steinberg and Kelly completed their track, 563 0:29:19,400 --> 0:29:21,40 almost no-one would touch it. 564 0:29:21,200 --> 0:29:25,640 We started to play the song for various A&R people 565 0:29:25,800 --> 0:29:31,800 at different record companies, and we did get the response 566 0:29:31,960 --> 0:29:37,600 that no-one would ever sing a song titled Like A Virgin. 567 0:29:37,760 --> 0:29:43,360 But fortunately, it was perfect for one singer, 568 0:29:43,520 --> 0:29:45,280 and her name was Madonna. 569 0:29:45,440 --> 0:29:48,240 # Like a virgin 570 0:29:48,400 --> 0:29:49,560 Madonna has so many talents, 571 0:29:49,720 --> 0:29:53,320 and one of them is to know when a song is right for her, 572 0:29:53,480 --> 0:29:55,120 and somebody from the record company 573 0:29:55,280 --> 0:29:59,640 presented Like A Virgin to her in the demo form, and she went crazy. 574 0:29:59,800 --> 0:30:2,720 Everything about it was right for Madonna. 575 0:30:2,880 --> 0:30:7,680 It feels like there is no other singer in the world 576 0:30:7,840 --> 0:30:10,320 that could have sung that song. 577 0:30:10,480 --> 0:30:11,920 # Oh, freak out! 578 0:30:13,320 --> 0:30:16,760 With Like A Virgin chosen by an excited Madonna as her next track, 579 0:30:16,920 --> 0:30:21,320 Chic's legendary guitarist Nile Rodgers was brought in to produce. 580 0:30:21,480 --> 0:30:24,40 But initially he had his doubts about the track. 581 0:30:24,200 --> 0:30:26,0 Nile Rodgers, he wasn't sure. 582 0:30:26,160 --> 0:30:31,160 He was like, "It's kinda a weird hook to sing 'like a virgin', and I'm not really..." 583 0:30:31,320 --> 0:30:34,200 She was like, "No, this is... Trust me, this is absolutely it." 584 0:30:34,360 --> 0:30:35,640 And she was right. 585 0:30:35,800 --> 0:30:37,720 Once Rodgers overcame his doubts, 586 0:30:37,880 --> 0:30:41,520 he and Madonna shared the studio for every moment of the production, 587 0:30:41,680 --> 0:30:43,320 including some awkward ones. 588 0:30:43,480 --> 0:30:47,200 She came up to him and said, "Do you think I'm sexy?" 589 0:30:47,360 --> 0:30:49,320 and he responded, "Well, of course," you know? 590 0:30:49,480 --> 0:30:53,40 "You're one of the most attractive people I've ever seen." 591 0:30:53,200 --> 0:30:56,320 And then she said, "Well, why haven't you tried to sleep with me?" 592 0:30:56,480 --> 0:30:58,680 and then stormed out of the studio. 593 0:30:58,840 --> 0:31:1,960 It was just her way of kinda like goofing around, 594 0:31:2,120 --> 0:31:6,40 but also kinda keeping him on edge. 595 0:31:6,200 --> 0:31:7,560 # You're so fine 596 0:31:7,720 --> 0:31:10,160 Whatever the studio tensions, the results were worth it. 597 0:31:10,320 --> 0:31:13,160 For Madonna, it was the song that changed everything. 598 0:31:13,320 --> 0:31:15,680 Like A Virgin, for her, 599 0:31:15,840 --> 0:31:22,560 was the moment where everybody who thought she was a passing fad 600 0:31:22,720 --> 0:31:26,680 realised that actually this woman, she's a game changer. 601 0:31:26,840 --> 0:31:29,560 JOE: She went from being a potentially big star 602 0:31:29,720 --> 0:31:32,560 to being a huge, huge star. 603 0:31:32,720 --> 0:31:36,920 # Like a virgin 604 0:31:37,80 --> 0:31:38,160 # With your heartbeat 605 0:31:38,320 --> 0:31:40,920 Helping the song provide maximum punch, the video. 606 0:31:41,80 --> 0:31:43,120 The sexually charged performance 607 0:31:43,280 --> 0:31:45,880 was the template for many more videos to come, 608 0:31:46,40 --> 0:31:48,480 and this time, along the canals of Venice. 609 0:31:48,640 --> 0:31:50,920 KATIE: She's writhing around in a gondola, 610 0:31:51,80 --> 0:31:54,0 going through a tunnel and coming out the other side. 611 0:31:54,160 --> 0:31:56,920 I mean, that's just so ham-fisted and so on the nose. 612 0:31:57,80 --> 0:32:1,0 I think what this tells us about Madonna is she just loves to shock. 613 0:32:1,160 --> 0:32:2,840 She lives to shock. 614 0:32:3,0 --> 0:32:6,920 That was the first time she was thought of as outrageous, 615 0:32:7,80 --> 0:32:9,280 and that really lit a fuse, 616 0:32:9,440 --> 0:32:13,440 so for that, it was really an important record. 617 0:32:13,600 --> 0:32:17,480 DAVID: In music, at this point, what you really didn't have 618 0:32:17,640 --> 0:32:23,40 is a female artist who didn't look as though, or sound as though, 619 0:32:23,200 --> 0:32:26,80 they were interested in romance. 620 0:32:26,240 --> 0:32:29,0 You look at this video, the performance, 621 0:32:29,160 --> 0:32:33,40 and Madonna, who was sexy on her previous stuff, 622 0:32:33,200 --> 0:32:36,240 suddenly becomes Madonna who is sexual, 623 0:32:36,400 --> 0:32:38,360 and there's a big difference. 624 0:32:38,520 --> 0:32:43,120 Sexy is "like me and I'm pretty and I look great, don't I?" 625 0:32:43,280 --> 0:32:46,80 Sexual is "I'm in control". 626 0:32:46,240 --> 0:32:48,120 # Like a virgin 627 0:32:48,280 --> 0:32:51,480 # Feels so good inside 628 0:32:51,640 --> 0:32:53,320 Like A Virgin was the first moment 629 0:32:53,480 --> 0:32:55,320 in the rise of the Madonna phenomenon 630 0:32:55,480 --> 0:32:59,0 that we see her using the shock value of unashamed sexuality 631 0:32:59,160 --> 0:33:2,280 and the power of controversy to create record sales - 632 0:33:2,440 --> 0:33:5,560 something she will continue to do across her career. 633 0:33:5,720 --> 0:33:7,320 I like to provoke people. 634 0:33:7,480 --> 0:33:9,520 I don't think about the danger of it. 635 0:33:9,680 --> 0:33:12,440 And if there is a dangerous element, that is exciting to me. 636 0:33:12,600 --> 0:33:15,760 The single will supreme at the top of the billboard chart 637 0:33:15,920 --> 0:33:17,680 for a phenomenal six weeks. 638 0:33:17,840 --> 0:33:19,720 It was certified gold in the US 639 0:33:19,880 --> 0:33:22,640 and went on to be a massive worldwide hit. 640 0:33:22,800 --> 0:33:25,160 MATTHEW: I think Madonna became a pop cultural icon 641 0:33:25,320 --> 0:33:27,280 the moment Like A Virgin was released. 642 0:33:27,440 --> 0:33:30,600 As soon as that song hit the airwaves, there was no turning back. 643 0:33:31,600 --> 0:33:34,0 Like A Virgin took Madonna to the next level. 644 0:33:34,160 --> 0:33:35,840 The songwriters Steinberg and Kelly 645 0:33:36,0 --> 0:33:39,240 had helped her find the superstardom she'd always dreamed of. 646 0:33:39,400 --> 0:33:42,200 But when they saw her at a party some time later, 647 0:33:42,360 --> 0:33:44,120 there was little appreciation. 648 0:33:44,280 --> 0:33:47,800 We see at the other end of the terrace 649 0:33:47,960 --> 0:33:51,560 Madonna walking out of the house towards us, 650 0:33:51,720 --> 0:33:56,880 and she was with Warren Beatty, and I thought to myself, 651 0:33:57,40 --> 0:34:1,640 "This is the perfect opportunity to meet Madonna finally," 652 0:34:1,800 --> 0:34:4,440 and a guy we knew said to Madonna, 653 0:34:4,600 --> 0:34:9,560 "Madonna, I would like you to meet Tom Kelly and Billy Steinberg, 654 0:34:9,720 --> 0:34:12,0 "who wrote Like A Virgin." 655 0:34:12,160 --> 0:34:14,520 And Warren Beatty started to laugh, 656 0:34:14,680 --> 0:34:18,40 and I think he was laughing because he thought, you know, 657 0:34:18,200 --> 0:34:22,280 of course she must know the guys that wrote Like A Virgin - 658 0:34:22,440 --> 0:34:24,560 it must be some kind of a spoof. 659 0:34:24,720 --> 0:34:27,720 I stepped up and I said to Madonna, 660 0:34:27,880 --> 0:34:31,800 "I've wanted to meet you for so long," 661 0:34:31,960 --> 0:34:37,200 and she said to me, "Well, now you did," 662 0:34:37,360 --> 0:34:40,880 and she grabbed Warren Beatty and walked off. 663 0:34:41,40 --> 0:34:45,360 So, she wasn't particularly, uh... cordial, shall we say. 664 0:34:45,520 --> 0:34:46,880 # Material girl 665 0:34:47,40 --> 0:34:49,760 As was the case from the beginning of her career, 666 0:34:49,920 --> 0:34:52,480 Madonna's eyes were fixed only on the future 667 0:34:52,640 --> 0:34:54,160 and her next incarnation - 668 0:34:54,320 --> 0:34:56,320 recalling Hollywood's ultimate blonde bombshell 669 0:34:56,480 --> 0:34:58,680 and featuring the song and iconic video 670 0:34:58,840 --> 0:35:1,840 that would come to symbolise not just Madonna's pulling power, 671 0:35:2,0 --> 0:35:3,640 but a whole global decade. 672 0:35:3,800 --> 0:35:5,440 Material Girl. 673 0:35:5,600 --> 0:35:8,40 # And I am a material girl 674 0:35:9,920 --> 0:35:14,480 The mid-1980s saw free market economics sweep across the west. 675 0:35:14,640 --> 0:35:18,160 You too can become leaders in this great new era of progress, 676 0:35:18,320 --> 0:35:20,280 the age of the entrepreneur. 677 0:35:20,440 --> 0:35:24,600 Britain is confident, strong, and trusted. 678 0:35:24,760 --> 0:35:27,800 In the booming financial centres of New York and London, 679 0:35:27,960 --> 0:35:31,520 fortunes were made fast and spent even faster. 680 0:35:31,680 --> 0:35:35,320 For the lucky ones, the consumption had never been more conspicuous. 681 0:35:35,480 --> 0:35:38,320 This was the Ronald Reagan era, the "greed is good". 682 0:35:38,480 --> 0:35:40,0 Dynasty is huge on TV. 683 0:35:40,160 --> 0:35:42,360 Everyone's into more, more, more. 684 0:35:42,520 --> 0:35:43,800 KATIE: In America in 1985, 685 0:35:43,960 --> 0:35:47,840 it was all about big hair, big shoulder pads, big wallet, 686 0:35:48,0 --> 0:35:49,840 all of that kind of thing. 687 0:35:50,0 --> 0:35:52,40 The new era demanded its own soundtrack, 688 0:35:52,200 --> 0:35:54,0 and Madonna was the one to provide it, 689 0:35:54,160 --> 0:35:57,600 with a song that would finally cement her superstar status. 690 0:35:59,520 --> 0:36:2,720 # Some boys kiss me, some boys hug me 691 0:36:2,880 --> 0:36:5,480 # I think they're OK 692 0:36:5,640 --> 0:36:8,80 If there was ever a song that summed up an artist 693 0:36:8,240 --> 0:36:11,520 that captured an attitude of the time, 694 0:36:11,680 --> 0:36:13,360 that was a moment. 695 0:36:13,520 --> 0:36:17,160 # 'Cause we are living in a material world 696 0:36:17,320 --> 0:36:20,160 # And I am a material girl 697 0:36:20,320 --> 0:36:24,760 Material Girl saw Madonna reunite with production genius Nile Rodgers. 698 0:36:24,920 --> 0:36:27,200 Right on the one there, give me a nice fall off. 699 0:36:27,360 --> 0:36:28,600 (SINGS MELODY FROM MATERIAL GIRL) 700 0:36:28,760 --> 0:36:31,120 And to help him create another irresistibly catchy hit, 701 0:36:31,280 --> 0:36:34,840 he brought in one of his most trusted backing artists. 702 0:36:35,0 --> 0:36:36,80 # OK 703 0:36:36,240 --> 0:36:39,400 # If they don't give me proper credit 704 0:36:39,560 --> 0:36:42,80 # I just walk away (SINGS ALONG) 705 0:36:42,240 --> 0:36:46,880 Well, in 1983, my brother George and I were asked to sing 706 0:36:47,40 --> 0:36:51,560 on David Bowie's Let's Dance album, produced by Nile Rodgers. 707 0:36:51,720 --> 0:36:53,40 And we did that. 708 0:36:53,200 --> 0:36:54,840 We toured with David Bowie around the world. 709 0:36:55,0 --> 0:36:59,480 And as soon as we got back, Nile Rodgers called us again 710 0:36:59,640 --> 0:37:2,960 and told us he needed us to sing background vocals 711 0:37:3,120 --> 0:37:7,80 on a new record he was producing by a young girl named Madonna. 712 0:37:7,240 --> 0:37:8,560 Well, Nile is a local guy, 713 0:37:8,720 --> 0:37:11,840 and he had a New York attitude, New York tastes, 714 0:37:12,0 --> 0:37:17,800 and Madonna too was very connected to Nile's modus operandi. 715 0:37:17,960 --> 0:37:20,280 Nile has a great atmosphere around him, 716 0:37:20,440 --> 0:37:22,880 and Madonna was very involved as well. 717 0:37:23,40 --> 0:37:26,240 You saw when you just sat in the studio that she had an opinion. 718 0:37:26,400 --> 0:37:28,120 She wasn't a produced act. 719 0:37:28,280 --> 0:37:31,520 She was certainly learning the craft, as she does everything. 720 0:37:31,680 --> 0:37:33,960 She looks at other people, she soaks it all in. 721 0:37:34,120 --> 0:37:37,680 Nile is so giving, she was absorbing. 722 0:37:38,680 --> 0:37:40,680 Despite her new-found stardom, 723 0:37:40,840 --> 0:37:43,360 Madonna's vocals were still developing, 724 0:37:43,520 --> 0:37:46,400 and for this track, Rodgers knew she needed help. 725 0:37:46,560 --> 0:37:48,840 She wasn't that skilled a singer, 726 0:37:49,0 --> 0:37:52,160 so we background vocalists, you know, kind of helped her out 727 0:37:52,320 --> 0:37:54,920 and gave her some pointers and kind of moved her around 728 0:37:55,80 --> 0:37:56,360 and told her what to do, 729 0:37:56,520 --> 0:37:58,960 so she was learning from everybody, I think. 730 0:37:59,120 --> 0:38:1,320 Well, if you want to use a scale of, like, 731 0:38:1,480 --> 0:38:3,560 I'm going gonna go from one to ten, 732 0:38:3,720 --> 0:38:5,480 maybe she's at like a two or three. 733 0:38:5,640 --> 0:38:9,680 She wasn't bad, but certainly had a long way to go. 734 0:38:9,840 --> 0:38:14,160 I wouldn't say that she actually fully discovered her voice until later. 735 0:38:14,320 --> 0:38:19,320 Over this period of time, what Madonna did is she found her sound. 736 0:38:19,480 --> 0:38:21,800 She reinforced it, she imprinted it 737 0:38:21,960 --> 0:38:25,360 and when people criticised it, she gave them more of it. 738 0:38:25,520 --> 0:38:28,40 (MATERIAL GIRL PLAYS) # I am a material girl 739 0:38:28,200 --> 0:38:29,880 # You know that we are living 740 0:38:30,40 --> 0:38:32,640 # Living in a material world 741 0:38:32,800 --> 0:38:35,40 # And # I am a material girl 742 0:38:35,200 --> 0:38:37,240 It was the song's distinct lyrical pattern 743 0:38:37,400 --> 0:38:39,560 that made it such a challenge for the singer. 744 0:38:39,720 --> 0:38:43,160 Material Girl has a lot of beeps, blips and bloops, 745 0:38:43,320 --> 0:38:46,80 and it kinda chugs along in an electronic fashion. 746 0:38:46,240 --> 0:38:48,440 There's these, like, robot men. 747 0:38:48,600 --> 0:38:51,720 (ROBOTICALLY) # Living in a material world 748 0:38:51,880 --> 0:38:55,440 # Material # Living in a material world 749 0:38:55,600 --> 0:38:59,920 It's playful, it's boppy but it's also relentless at the same time - 750 0:39:0,80 --> 0:39:2,320 a little bit like Madonna herself. 751 0:39:2,480 --> 0:39:4,720 Despite needing help with her vocals, 752 0:39:4,880 --> 0:39:6,160 Madonna, true to form, 753 0:39:6,320 --> 0:39:9,240 made sure everyone in the studio knew their place. 754 0:39:9,400 --> 0:39:10,680 Every time there was a break, 755 0:39:10,840 --> 0:39:14,280 and we'd be going right back to re-recording or whatever, 756 0:39:14,440 --> 0:39:16,560 you know, Madonna would say, "OK, boys. 757 0:39:16,720 --> 0:39:19,720 "Time is money, and the money is mine." 758 0:39:19,880 --> 0:39:21,520 You know, so that got to be like a slogan, 759 0:39:21,680 --> 0:39:23,960 so when she wasn't around, we'd say, "Yeah, Madonna, 760 0:39:24,120 --> 0:39:26,760 "remember, time is money and the money is hers." 761 0:39:26,920 --> 0:39:28,600 But by the end of the session, 762 0:39:28,760 --> 0:39:32,400 she and everyone else knew they had another hit on their hands. 763 0:39:32,560 --> 0:39:35,360 We finished Material Girl and we went back in the listening room - 764 0:39:35,520 --> 0:39:37,640 it sounded great, you know, everybody loved it. 765 0:39:37,800 --> 0:39:40,40 We were laughing, laughing, laughing. 766 0:39:40,200 --> 0:39:42,560 Madonna was laughing her stones off, you know, 767 0:39:42,720 --> 0:39:45,160 and it was just like, "Oh, God, this is ridiculous. 768 0:39:45,320 --> 0:39:46,880 "People are gonna love this." 769 0:39:47,40 --> 0:39:50,120 With the recording complete, it now had to be promoted. 770 0:39:50,280 --> 0:39:53,80 For the video, featuring big-name actor Keith Carradine, 771 0:39:53,240 --> 0:39:54,760 Madonna chose to play tribute 772 0:39:54,920 --> 0:39:58,400 to fellow blonde bombshell of yesteryear, Marilyn Monroe. 773 0:39:58,560 --> 0:40:3,40 She would be taking on one of her most iconic 1950s performances, 774 0:40:3,200 --> 0:40:6,480 and with it her characteristics and costume 775 0:40:6,640 --> 0:40:11,360 from the American musical comedy Gentlemen Prefer Blondes. 776 0:40:11,520 --> 0:40:14,360 I didn't know her personally, but I admire her. She's an idol. 777 0:40:14,520 --> 0:40:16,520 Do you wanna be as big a movie star as she was? 778 0:40:16,680 --> 0:40:17,840 Is that important? Yeah. 779 0:40:18,0 --> 0:40:23,240 Mary Lambert, the director of Material Girl, really did a fine job 780 0:40:23,400 --> 0:40:26,160 of re-creating Gentlemen Prefer Blondes, 781 0:40:26,320 --> 0:40:28,800 the Diamonds Are A Girl's Best Friend scene. 782 0:40:28,960 --> 0:40:32,920 (ORCHESTRAL MUSIC PLAYS, VOCALS INAUDIBLE) 783 0:40:33,80 --> 0:40:36,520 Any time you're dressing up like another performer, 784 0:40:36,680 --> 0:40:38,720 especially someone as iconic as Marilyn Monroe, 785 0:40:38,880 --> 0:40:40,760 it's kind of embarrassing at times, 786 0:40:40,920 --> 0:40:44,80 because the original swallows up the imitator. 787 0:40:44,240 --> 0:40:47,440 But I think Madonna had such supreme confidence 788 0:40:47,600 --> 0:40:50,0 that she's able to take Marilyn Monroe 789 0:40:50,160 --> 0:40:52,240 and use her for her own purposes 790 0:40:52,400 --> 0:40:54,520 in a way that respects Marilyn Monroe 791 0:40:54,680 --> 0:40:58,0 but that leaves Madonna herself intact. 792 0:40:58,160 --> 0:41:2,480 # Some boys kiss me, some boys hug me 793 0:41:2,640 --> 0:41:5,480 For many, Material Girl was a wholesale celebration 794 0:41:5,640 --> 0:41:7,480 of '80s consumerism. 795 0:41:7,640 --> 0:41:11,200 But as the video hinted, it was actually a subtle criticism. 796 0:41:11,360 --> 0:41:13,240 In the Material Girl video, 797 0:41:13,400 --> 0:41:15,160 Madonna wants to be the sugar daddy. 798 0:41:15,320 --> 0:41:16,720 She's the breadwinner. 799 0:41:16,880 --> 0:41:19,360 The video includes someone who is trying to attract 800 0:41:19,520 --> 0:41:21,120 her attention romantically. 801 0:41:21,280 --> 0:41:22,840 Yeah, he's still after me. 802 0:41:23,0 --> 0:41:24,440 He just gave me a necklace. 803 0:41:24,600 --> 0:41:26,400 I don't know. I think it's real diamonds. 804 0:41:26,560 --> 0:41:27,560 # Material 805 0:41:27,720 --> 0:41:30,360 When he tries to show off how wealthy and important he is, 806 0:41:30,520 --> 0:41:32,80 she has no interest in him. 807 0:41:32,240 --> 0:41:33,840 It's only when he humbles himself, 808 0:41:34,0 --> 0:41:36,120 when he picks her up in this beat-up pickup truck, 809 0:41:36,280 --> 0:41:38,200 that she even gives him the time of day. 810 0:41:38,360 --> 0:41:40,800 So, there's an irony about it in the video and the song 811 0:41:40,960 --> 0:41:43,240 that was kind of lost on a lot of people. 812 0:41:43,400 --> 0:41:45,560 Her message may have been misunderstood, 813 0:41:45,720 --> 0:41:47,400 but at the time, it didn't matter. 814 0:41:47,560 --> 0:41:51,720 Material Girl's success put Madonna exactly where she wanted to be. 815 0:41:51,880 --> 0:41:55,80 She started the year in 1985 as a rising star, 816 0:41:55,240 --> 0:42:0,680 she ended 1985 as the biggest female artist in the world, 817 0:42:0,840 --> 0:42:4,160 and this - this video, this song - 818 0:42:4,320 --> 0:42:7,800 was the moment when we knew this was happening. 819 0:42:7,960 --> 0:42:12,520 KATIE: It cemented her as a force to be reckoned with. 820 0:42:12,680 --> 0:42:15,160 You understood that this... she was a juggernaut. 821 0:42:15,320 --> 0:42:16,960 # Get into the groove 822 0:42:17,120 --> 0:42:19,80 Madonna was now officially a megastar, 823 0:42:19,240 --> 0:42:21,880 and that year would go on to release several more singles 824 0:42:22,40 --> 0:42:23,720 from her Like A Virgin album, 825 0:42:23,880 --> 0:42:27,120 all of which entered the US Billboard chart top five. 826 0:42:27,280 --> 0:42:30,560 Musical success was followed by movie success, as she co-starred 827 0:42:30,720 --> 0:42:33,640 in the critically acclaimed 1985 comedy drama 828 0:42:33,800 --> 0:42:35,640 Desperately Seeking Susan. 829 0:42:35,800 --> 0:42:38,280 And to cap the then-most-eventful year of her life, 830 0:42:38,440 --> 0:42:42,200 she married Hollywood actor Sean Penn on her 27th birthday. 831 0:42:42,360 --> 0:42:45,160 Madonna created a whole new way to be a celebrity, 832 0:42:45,320 --> 0:42:50,920 and especially to be a young female famous person. 833 0:42:51,80 --> 0:42:55,240 This is someone who, you know, at every step of her career, 834 0:42:55,400 --> 0:42:56,640 was told not to do things, 835 0:42:56,800 --> 0:42:58,840 but always stuck to her gut and her guns. 836 0:42:59,0 --> 0:43:1,720 Madonna actually tore up the old book of rules 837 0:43:1,880 --> 0:43:5,40 that said a female artist had to be demure, 838 0:43:5,200 --> 0:43:8,280 had to at least appear to not be in charge. 839 0:43:8,440 --> 0:43:11,560 She says, "No, I'm gonna do exactly what I want, when I want," 840 0:43:11,720 --> 0:43:15,200 and there's something really inspiring and empowering about that. 841 0:43:16,320 --> 0:43:19,720 Madonna had started her career as a broke dance-school drop-out 842 0:43:19,880 --> 0:43:21,160 on the streets of New York 843 0:43:21,320 --> 0:43:24,440 and with just three songs in three years, 844 0:43:24,600 --> 0:43:28,40 she had become a cultural icon who defined a generation. 845 0:43:29,800 --> 0:43:32,880 KATIE: Early '80s Madonna kind of sums up, for me, 846 0:43:33,40 --> 0:43:35,160 some of the best things about the '80s. 847 0:43:35,320 --> 0:43:38,720 # You're so fine and you're mine 848 0:43:38,880 --> 0:43:42,360 She presumed that success would be hers, you know, 849 0:43:42,520 --> 0:43:44,520 and that's a very '80s idea - 850 0:43:44,680 --> 0:43:48,640 that even if you start out with certain limitations and inadequacies, 851 0:43:48,800 --> 0:43:50,400 you can overcome them. 852 0:43:50,560 --> 0:43:52,440 So, she embodies that. 853 0:43:52,600 --> 0:43:56,320 # Material MEN: # Living in a material world 854 0:43:56,480 --> 0:43:59,0 That was her revolution. That's what she brought. 855 0:43:59,160 --> 0:44:2,240 And I think she's really the first modern pop superstar, 856 0:44:2,400 --> 0:44:3,720 for that reason. 857 0:44:3,880 --> 0:44:7,560 DAVID: In 1982, Madonna was an unknown but up and coming. 858 0:44:7,720 --> 0:44:11,40 By 1985, there wasn't anywhere you could go in the world 859 0:44:11,200 --> 0:44:12,800 where people hadn't heard of Madonna. 860 0:44:12,960 --> 0:44:16,680 In three years, she transformed not just her career, 861 0:44:16,840 --> 0:44:18,320 but she transformed pop. 862 0:44:30,320 --> 0:44:33,320 Captions by Red Bee Media (c) SBS Australia 2021 65356

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