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There's something there that lets you know it's there.

This house, it's really grabbed me.

It's got its hooks sinked into me.

There's a lot of thing that happen in this house that we can't explain.

It's wild just being there.

It has this, you know, this aura about it, a... a... a mystery.

I wanted a simple house, I wanted a A-frame house,

and I wanted a... a loft upstairs with a balcony.

And when we first drove by here, it was just a beautiful meadow.

It was covered with wildflowers.

And it just took my breath away.

And I said, you know, "That's it."

I had the house subcontracted, built like I wanted.

When they started building,

we noticed that there were some strange things happening.

The doors would slam.

I mean nothing else would be blowing around, but the door would slam.

They put the doorbell in and it would ring.

And you'd go to the door, there's nobody there.

I remember deadbolting the door and going upstairs

and as soon as I get upstairs, you know, we heard a bang!

I looked out and the door was open.

But it had the deadbolt still sticking out.

This house had a lot of activity that was unusual

and we knew that.

I made peace with that, I lived with that

until 2011.

At 11:30, I was probably in bed by 12 o' clock.

And it was pitch-black dark in here.

And a light came on

and I opened my eyes and, uh,

there was this... it was light.

It was a patch of total daylight from the ceiling to the floor.

And it was daylight in this tube of light

and it was pitch black in the rest of the room.

I just stared at it.

After about 10 seconds, it just went blink, it went out.

I just covered my head

and I pulled back the covers

and I saw there were like, real bright red buttons of light.

I had a flashlight on the bed

and I shone the flashlight all around the room

and uh, there was nothing unusual.

And I really did feel watched.

I felt a presence, I felt observed.

I didn't know if it was a religious experience,

I didn't know if it was a UFO experience, I didn't know what it was.

It scared me to death.

That was a turning point in my life,

because I decided that I would not stay here

by myself at night.

I never mentioned it to hardly anybody in this town

about the paranormal activity in my house,

because I wasn't sure how they would take it.

It's a... it's a... it's in the Bible Belt

and you know... and you know, I just... I didn't know how they would take it.

Florence is a suburb of Jackson,

the statistical metropolitan area.

This is community that's... that's got good neighbors.

They probably pretty much keep to themselves

and that may be what makes them good neighbors.

I think the people are real nice.

If somebody dies,

uh, everybody comes and brings food

and they go to the cemetery or they go to the funeral halls

or do what they can for you.

We're just country.

Just... just country.

Florence is a great town, but it's a southern town.

Some people are open-minded

and some people are very close-minded.

Florence is very Bible Belt-ish.

Bringing in the paranormal to them is unbelievable.

Do you believe in ghosts?

Uh, believe in what?

No, I don't.

I am a Christian, I do believe in the Holy Spirit.

If y'all... y'all go stay out in empty houses all night, I'll go to bed.

I was all embarrassed,

because I thought, you know, I'm just gonna look like an idiot.

So, I didn't tell anybody until it became known enough

that I knew there were gonna do a little news program on it.

On the outside, it looks like your typical home,

but inside it's anything but normal.

The candle just got up and landed.

It didn't just tipple over and it didn't shoot over,

it just kinda levitated over there.

After that news segment,

that just kinda validated to me that it was okay to express it,

because I just kept it inside, I didn't tell a lot of people.

But once it was documented,

I felt perfectly free then to talk about it.

And it was really a big moment.

That kinda made it real for me.

I think that's when it... that's when I started being really open to really...

I was trying to find somebody who could...

or maybe come up with some explanation.

I started talking to a friend ofmine at work

and she said she knew a young investigator

named John Bullard who might be interested.

My name's John Bullard.

I'm a marketing director

for about 40 different restaurants.

What got me into the paranormal is

ever since I was a little child,

I would see shadow figures, I would hear voices.

I didn't know if I was crazy or not

and I wanted to validate it for myself.

Uh, I didn't want to validate it for anybody else,

I just wanted to figure out that I wasn't crazy.

And I started doing research

about the supernatural and the paranormal.

And I kinda, you know, over time wanted to test the waters,

so I went to supposedly haunted places to test the waters,

to see if I could actually capture something,

if I could feel something

or sense something that I sensed when I was child.

We accidentally caught an incredible spirit voice EVP,

electronic voice phenomenon and that kinda changed me.

What is that white out near the woods, you see that?

It is in the woods, you see it now?

Oh, no, no, no, shine closer to it, shine.

In here.

- What the fuck was that? - What was that? What?

Did you say-that place said "in here?"

No.

Did y'all not... you didn't hear that?

No, I'm sorry.

In here.

There... there, did you hear anybody say, "in here?"

Did someone just say "in here?"

Did you hear that?

- Uh, I heard something. - John.

- I'm not fucking kidding. - I'm sorry.

Well, my biggest goal that I set in my mind was

to document evidence

that was clean, clear, and easy to view.

Did somebody just make that noise?

I was referred to the Mississippi house

by a friend of a friend.

When we pull up to the house,

you would never think there was anything really going on

inside the house.

So, we were really skeptical,

but we figured we'd hear her out.

Alice told us about the lights

that she experienced in the bottom bedroom

and some other sounds that she'd heard in the house.

And just from the pre-investigation that we did,

it really started to intrigue me.

Things moved.

Lights that have turned off.

It's something different

than just a paranormal investigation.

We have done about nine years,

it's the longest location that we have ever done consistently.

We have a DVR system

that is filming the house 24 hours a day,

they try to capture something else.

There's definitely something else out there,

whether it's a uh, you know, another world

or something that we're tapping into.

Uh, it's up... it's up for debate.

I have something very special for you today.

We have Brad Cooney.

Brad is part of the Mississippi house

and it is very well-documented

as a place that is haunted.

So, tell me a little bit about the house.

Just about everybody who we bring in there,

it just... it creeps 'em out.

There's a different energy in there

like you... you mentioned in your opening.

It's very well-documented,

the evidence captured is amazing.

Good?

Will you get that close cobwebs out?

You see I'm not home so much,

I didn't realize all those cobwebs are back there.

This is really out of my comfort zone, this whole thing.

So, I've lived here uh, 12 years.

12 years now and this is where I do all my... my podcasts

and throughout my boxing journalistic career

I've accrued quite a few things in the boxing world

writing for magazines and writing for boxing websites.

I've... I've met just about everybody there is

that's anybody in the boxing world.

h, Mike Tyson, Oscar De La Hoya, Floyd Mayweather.

I don't go to the fights anymore though, I don't cover it, I did it for a lot of years.

It was just time to start another chapter.

I got into the paranormal

uh, in... in... in... standing in this very room,

watched TV one day

and a segment that a local news broadcaster

did on Miss Alice's house caught my attention.

I stopped what I was doing, I started watching it

and realized it was really close,

so I reached out to that homeowner and her friend that was also on that segment.

'Cause it was really interesting to me,

especially how close it was.

It was like wow, usually you hear something's haunted or whatever

or whatever it might be

it's a long drive, but this was so close to where I live.

So, I would be interested and it would be really interesting for me

to uh, to see if they'll have me in there

and take a look around.

So that's all,

that's how I started getting into the paranormal.

And it just took off from there.

I met Alice and when she told me her story,

I believed her, instantly.

In fact, the first day I came here,

we had... we had some activity happen in the house

which really piqued my interest up at that point.

- Actually, they said - You see that?

It was coming towards the stairs and it went...

- out the door... ooh, ooh, ooh. - Look at that there.

The next week I came back again,

I captured some more evidence

um, that I felt I couldn't explain.

And it... it just blossomed from there.

We had major equipment failure,

because of spirit activity all up in this sucker.

But this is a REM pod that's going nuts.

I learned some of the stuff through research,

trying things.

Then I got to where I would buy some equipment.

It's... it's kind of how I learned how to investigate.

Brad Cooney came along a few years ago

and really helped out to what we were doing in the Mississippi house.

It's good to get two investigators who are separate,

who originally never knew each other,

who'd come together and are experiencing the same things in the house.

This is my...

I'm beginning my third year investigating this house.

Once I think I figured something out,

something else happens.

Some things I've debunked in... in the home,

but many things I... I can't debunk

and that in itself is... is why I keep doing this.

Because there's things that happen here that I just simply...

I can't figure out why it's happening.

Wait, that's gotta be somebody.

Ask for somebody that... ask if anyone's in there?

Man.

That might've been the most profound noises we've ever heard in here.

Wow.

During our investigations,

we've heard voices in this house.

Doors open.

We've seen light shut off.

So, we would start asking,

you shut that light off again?"

And we've actually gotten direct responses

to where the light would shut off.

Can you make any noise or do something for us

that will tell us that we're not alone in here?

Which one in here?

He said the black

Is this? Oh!

Oh my God, will you look at

And it's on camera.

The chandelier just shut off by itself.

We believe it's possible that

spirit activity, spirits that hear us

are communicating with us.

And we try to, get as much as we can for possibly a breakthrough.

So, I do feel like we are teaching the spirits to communicate with us.

I feel like we are teaching the dead

inside the house of Mississippi how to communicate with us.

Please.

I feel your static-charged energy,

turn it up for me, please.

There we go.

- There we go! - There we go.

We use a lot of trigger objects inside the house.

We started putting a baseball or two baseballs

on the staircase in the Mississippi house.

And for a while we set 'em up there

and obviously, we tried to communicate to the spirits

that we wanted them to move the baseball,

to roll it down the stairs.

We want nothing more than to hear the baseball bounce down those stairs and hit the floor.

That baseball sat idle for days.

But then one day just decided to up and move,

and fall down the steps by itself.

Since then it's happened several times.

What the hell's going on in this house?

Why do things move that aren't supposed to move?

Things defy physics.

I want answers.

What happens when we die?

Is there a... does our... do we retain our consciousness when we cross over and...

and this is what we're hearing and seeing in... in this house.

The ball moving has intrigued me the most.

That's something' that I'm really hungry to find out why.

Why is that ball moving?

Is there something' behind it?

Why? I have no idea why this is happening.

Let's bring in somebody who might,

I think that's very, very important.

Let's see what we got.

What this does, it holds a level point,

this is what we're gonna shoot from.

Zero.

Side to side, it's level.

There might be a little slope up here, but...

Where? Up there, yeah.

I couldn't see why it would roll down there. Okay.

I am happy to know the... the slope,

because we do have our doors open and close.

And uh, so it's not from, you know, 'cause somebody might say,

"Oh, it's 'cause your house is not level." No.

Or if the ball rolls, "Maybe it's 'cause your house is not level." No.

No, but what's crazy is your house has been level since...

- Since a long time ago. - '06.

- '06, uh-huh. - Yeah,

the measurements are still the same.

Yeah.

I hope that by bringing experts in

that there will be some discoveries made

that will be important to us all.

How can objects move that have no apparent energy source?

There's obviously an answer, but we don't know it.

There's some sort of convergence of energy here

that we can't explain.

So, in my opinion all that's working fine

to the chandelier and these lights.

And I checked the breaker,

the breaker's shutting it off and good voltage there.

This dimmer here, it works fine.

Uh, sometimes the dimmers would go bad

and make it, you know, go dimmer.

But that seems to be working fine.

At this time, I'm not finding anything wrong with it.

So, I'm not seeing anything out of the ordinary.

I would... I mean I would've liked to have seen it

doing what it would, y'all said it did though.

That would be interesting to me.

I think electricals' fine, there's nothing wrong with it.

I think you... you're looking at something else.

So, when you stopped, after the lights happened,

you decided, "I'm not gonna stay here anymore."

Did you think about it when you weren't here?

The first few nights you didn't stay at the house,

were you kinda wondering what was going on?

Did you think about coming back

and trying to stay at the house again?

- Or after you made the decision - No.

That was it?

No, that was... that was clear cut.

I'm outta there. Yeah.

Because... because I thought nobody could help me.

I mean, if you're here and something',

if there's an intelligence that's greater than you

and they have these abilities that are greater than you,

you know you're gone and nobody...

nobody's gonna be able to help.

No, but I mean you could tell the... the real fear,

because again you know

It's one of those things you don't talk a lot about, you know especially in the South.

But when it gets to the point

where you wanna reach out to somebody,

which I'm glad you did

Uh, because we uncovered a whole mountain of stuff, you know.

I think there's times that we could push ourselves.

But this house sometimes is so intense

I have to back away.

There's only so much I can take, you know?

I... I... I have a passion for this field, documentation, but

this house will push you to uh, a whole another limit.

Well, you brought up a great point about...

'cause people have asked you and me also,

"Why would you be scared if you've been there so many times?"

It's because we've experienced what this house can do.

And when you're in this house by yourself, when it's dark, l

ights are off, door's locked...

- Yep. - It's a different ballgame.

Well, it's interesting that you know, it took the lights

to be the tipping point for you to reach out

and actually express it and start getting people in here to help you.

I mean, maybe somebody else has experienced that,

maybe somebody else understands what it might be.

So, I was invited by Alice

to come and investigate her house.

At first, I was a little hesitant,

but I talked to her on the phone

and something really is troubling her.

You know, I could just tell how sincere she was

and how much this house scared her.

I mean, the fact that it's been 10 years

and she hasn't slept in the house.

And the fact that she's opened it up to other people

trying to figure out what is happening here.

And they showed me a lot of things that I couldn't explain.

There may be something paranormal happening,

but it could be anything, you know?

But I wanna start checking things off.

"Okay, no, it's not this."

And I wanna help them get to the bottom of it.

- Hi, Alice. - How are you doing?

- How are you? - Good.

- It's nice to see you. - Aww, it's good to see you.

- Thank you. - It really is.

Uh, I have some uh, people here and

- Hey, y'all. - ...we're ready to do this.

John and Brad realized

that they've sort of done about all that they can.

Now it's time to step in and bring it to the next level.

It's time to bring in some... some other people.

I got all of these different experts

to come together and get answers.

Millions of years ago,

when the dinosaurs walked the Earth,

this area was actually the bottom of the shallow sea.

If you find a dinosaur bone in Mississippi,

it's not gonna be a land-based dinosaur.

In fact, it's a huge prehistoric whale

in the Mississippi science museum.

All this life settles to the bottom

and over the eons becomes limestone.

Florence was an early area of mining for this limestone.

The house is not an 1800s house,

the house was built in the '90s.

And even at the construction of the house,

she already had experiences going on.

To me, I would assume that something' associated with the land

and not necessarily the house.

I'm Qilin Dai from Jackson State University,

assistant professor of physics.

There is a theory out there that limestone

...can perhaps retain energy and release it.

Uh, would that be something that's possible in your opinion?

I think it's very possible.

Limestone and mineral... other minerals,

they can absorb energy.

The simplest way for a lime or rock

to absorb energy is the heat,

so they can be heated,

so then they have this energy, thermo energy.

And then they can deliver this energy,

so energy can be transported through them.

Do you think that...

anything like underground water

or moving water could create a static charge?

Is that even a possibility?

With water underground the earth

cannot create any charges.

Maybe because of lighting something from nature,

it can be charged,

but they cannot create new charges.

So, this is law.

Okay. As you can see here,

and this is a... a ball here and um

- and... - Where is the ball?

See that little circle right there?

- Oh, I see it, I see it. - Yeah.

And what happens a lot of the time

is it will propel forward

and just start to fall down the stairs.

And, in your opinion,

would it be possible that energy could do that?

It's not earthquake?

That was my first thought. It was

Yeah, it's a

Michael Dennin,

I am the Vice Provost for teaching and learning here at UC Irvine.

So, it's really interesting footage like this

where you have like a ball.

In this case, there's a ball in the stairs

and then it suddenly moves and rolls down the stairs.

First of all, it's a ball,

so that's kind of makes it a little easier,

'cause those do roll.

Um, the challenge is figuring out

what would've kicked or got the ball rolling.

The dramatic part is simply that the ball starts it all.

Being on stairs, once it gets going,

it's gonna fall down the stairs

and that part is pretty straightforward.

This is a bit of a challenge.

You can't deny that the ball moved.

I can speculate, I can say things like,

"There's a little bit of shaking in the house."

Some wind you didn't notice.

Which is harder to believe, 'cause winds hardly move a ball.

There's a lot of ways I can imagine if I wanted to fool you,

I could certainly set up ways

that a ball would move with nobody home.

If the ball is made of iron and then they have the uh...

- Magnet. - Magnet.

To attract or you know, repel that...

- that is come different story for this. - I see.

So, you think if the...

maybe it's more trickery than

Yeah.

I bet air will do a little bit.

There's no breeze

coming through this house that's this powerful?

No.

A ball can move by itself

maybe we could not see the uh, force,

for example like air.

We cannot see the air, but we can prove there are air there.

We could not see the motion,

but we can see the results, we can see it's moving.

As a scientist, I don't believe ghosts at all.

I believe science.

Without it being a complete hoax,

how would you explain something like this?

I know ultimately the end result is a physics action,

like the ball starts moving,

so the immediate cause of that also has to be a physics action.

I... I do think it...

it's not air, it's not wind, uh, it's certainly not magnet.

I... I think we could check under the stairs maybe.

There's no holes here.

Do you wanna see what happens

if I give it a bit of punch up here?

- Yeah. - See if the ball moves maybe.

Go ahead.

Anything?

Nothing, it's not even moving.

If you really were there,

I guess rule out what I would call, "the trivial physical cases",

and rule out the... the cases of hoaxes,

then you're into this interesting realm of,

"Okay, something physical caused it,

but what caused that physical?"

Most ideas of a ghost

involve the ghost being non-physical

in some fundamental way.

Any paranormal explanation

is still going to involve

something applying a force to the ball.

And so therefore,

the thing applying the force by definition,

we've just made it physical.

So, it's just an interesting conundrum

that, to me, moves it from science to detective story.

In the years that I've been here,

I want to experience some lights.

I've seen so many things in this house

and with my own eyes,

but that's what I wanna... that's what I wanna see.

Those lights that you saw.

We got all kinds of just great stuff

and just stuff that's just direct responses and it's... it's fully intelligent.

You know, it's not residual,

it's intelligent stuff happening in the house,

but there's that carrot that's dangling

- Like the Holy Grail - Those lights

The Holy Grail of what we're trying to capture here

is those... those... the lights that Alice saw.

Yeah.

Over the years,

I've experienced one thing with lights.

So, I was upstairs in the bedroom at the Mississippi house

with the door closed, we were doing an EVP session.

It was me and one fellow investigator.

And the bottom frame of the door

turned bright white

and it was almost like a camera shutter,

two to three flashes of light.

I sat there, kind of, in awe for a few minutes.

It was not raining, there was no thunder, the night was clear.

I opened the door and it never happened again.

We luckily did capture that on film.

Miss Alice has had experiences with the lights,

the... these are the... the lights that have scared her

to where she doesn't want to... to live in this house anymore.

I personally don't feel that's a spirit activity or a ghost,

I think that's something different.

Perhaps, extra-terrestrial.

It's something different going on with those lights.

There is a woman who lives 7 miles from me,

she's an elderly lady

and so this happened when she was a child,

but she said that her house lit up in a globe.

And she said it was brighter than the sun,

I remember that... that expression.

Many years ago,

when I lived... when I worked in Florence,

Alice was in and out of the library where I worked a lot,

'cause she lived close by.

And I was telling her about this light that I saw

when I was growing up

right down in this community.

And I was asleep at night

and I was awake, just fla...

you know, flash and my... my light in my bedroom

was lighter than... well, it was just a white light.

A clear white brilliant light.

Flash bulb bright.

- Yeah, something like that. - It's just super, super bright.

The trees and the house on the hill and everything

Brilliant, brilliant

Was just brilliant, brilliant light.

It just faded away.

And I just went back to bed and went back to sleep.

You know, it's just... there's too much space

to be the only ones here.

She didn't know what that is in her house

and I don't know what that was at my house.

It's strange, I... you know,

it... it's really strange.

The woman that I spoke to you about Alice Jackson.

Uh-huh, yes, yeah.

Uh, she'd said that in her bedroom...

there was a glowing light and then disappeared.

In... in your opinion,

is there anything in terms of energy, science,

things that are happening that could create an illuminated ball of light.

A light cannot happen spontaneously,

it has to have origin to have this light.

If we have like other light,

maybe reflection from window or from other place,

it's possible to have that.

Or they have other energy transfer to become light.

Like uh, thermal energy, electric energy,

so it's kind of a complicated question

to... to be answered simply.

There's a phenomenon in nature called "St. Elmo's fire",

which is a static electricity discharge.

If you have a build-up of static electricity for some reason,

yeah, it can cause a glow.

Uh, especially if it has some kind of medium to act on it.

Sometimes, all it takes is just dust in the air.

If it were a ball of lightning she was seeing in her house,

she wouldn't have to ask,

because it would tear something up,

because this is a lot of energy, that's very destructive.

Strange lights are often the easiest

to offer different explanations to

of all physics phenomenon.

Light is the most flexible in a weird way.

The challenge is often recreating them

or figuring out exactly what did it, um,

at a level that would make someone confident

that it really was just a physics effect.

If I knew that it was... had a natural explanation,

you know like, you know, I've heard now various theories

about what could cause lights

and if somebody definitively said,

"Oh, it's the minerals and salt, something, you know,

the natural that's causing the lights."

Then I would immediately not be afraid.

But uh, since that hasn't happened,

it might be UFO stuff,

it might be you know, some sort of inter-dimensional stuff

that was from some civilization that was more advanced than we are.

And so, in the beginning,

you thought they were extra-terrestrial, UFOs?

It... it crossed my mind.

It really did cross my mind,

that was the very first thing I thought.

I have never seen anything that I can reconcile this with in my history, you know,

reading or anything

except maybe all the stuff that I had heard about UFO stuff.

You know, beams of light and people disappearing.

My name's Calvin Parker and I was abducted in 1973.

October, 1973.

It was just over here, uh,

length of a football field and back that way.

And that's where it sat down

and when it originally sat down on a space in the river.

And I could see the blue lights coming over my shoulder.

When they stopped and it opened up

and then a real bright light come out.

Three robot-looking creatures came out.

Two of 'em got hold of my sail.

Took us aboard, gave us an examination.

I didn't know what a UFO was or an alien was till this happened.

And I still don't know that it was aliens.