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It could've been something from an inter-dimension you know,

travelled through.

I hadn't ruled that out.

All I know is something happened.

Certainly, for modern physics,

we do believe that the world is multi-dimensional.

More than just the three dimensions of space we move through

and the one dimension of time.

Most of what we understand about physics

is probably best-explained with extra dimensions.

It becomes interesting to try and figure out and understand

what that means for things like multi-dimensional beings

and how different thing interact with our reality.

And we're not even at the beginning from a physics point of view

to make statements or understand about that.

I think that's an area of physics

that we're gonna find fascinating in the future.

I do think that the potential

of extraterrestrial life is there.

Do I think it's in Alice's bedroom?

No, I definitely don't think she is,

you know, waiting for the next alien visit.

But something scared her

and that's what we're trying to figure out.

What is it?

I think it's something paranormal.

This is something ghostly, this is something of our world.

I don't think it's anything that has to do with outer space,

UFOs or extraterrestrials.

We are recording. You ready?

- You have everything? - I was born ready.

Let me just make sure this bad boy is still...

We're here tonight to communicate

with any spirit that's in this house.

We've been here for a long time.

We've logged a lot of hours in this house.

Any intelligent spirit that's in this house tonight,

we want you to come down here and communicate with us.

And make yourself known.

There's devices to alarm to let us know that you're near us.

We want you to come down here

and just like you have many times before

let us know that you're here, let us feel your energy.

I might've just saw a light dim.

It's the REM pod. REM pod's going off.

Chandelier light dim right before that.

Just by a few seconds.

Don't worry about the MV.

- Oh, we got a REM pod going here. - The REM pod over here?

All right, y'all go ahead, I'll stay in here and watch this one.

Steady.

This one is off.

It was steady.

See, I have to see patterns.

If all three REM pods goes off,

I'm a little more interested in this one where REM pod goin' off.

I'd like to see like the light go off

and the REM pod to go off at the same time.

That'd be much more convincing for me.

Yeah. That'd be pretty awesome.

We're trying to understand and help you communicate

throughout the years we've been here.

Oh, we've got REM pods everywhere.

Oh! Oh, all of 'em are going off.

- We got one at the mantel. - We got a big one here.

One on the stairs, um, I don't know.

Brad, anything back here going on?

Just the REM pod.

- You have the REM pod too? - Another REM pod.

All three of 'em were going off.

So, all three just went off at the same time?

- There it goes again. - Which is pretty cool,

because I'd... I'd mentioned before

about wanting to see all three of 'em go off.

And yellow and green.

I can't get a center sell without it going off, huh?

Yeah.

- Is that all? - Yeah, that's where

Yeah, I'll just shut my mouth.

It's a little more interesting to me for sure when all these devices go off.

However, I'm still not 100% sold.

We use some uh, devices and

uh, they measure energy.

And uh, we had one set up in the living room,

one in the back bedroom, one in the stairs.

We wanted to separate 'em as much as possible.

Uh, and we do that so there's consistency.

If one can go off, we can manipulate another one.

Uh, if they all go off at the same time,

that's... that's pretty impressive,

which is indicative of some kind of energy,

something... uh, something going on.

Something not normal.

It's something, over the years, I've just never had happen.

The light of God surrounds us,

the love of God enfolds us,

the power of God protects us,

the presence of God watches over us.

Wherever we are, God is and all is well.

There's a REM pod going.

Oh, where's that REM pod?

- Is that REM pod up there? - Back bedroom.

Back in that... you or is it going off?

Back room! Here.

Okay, great.

This room is heavy, man.

And as soon as I came in the room, I felt uneasy.

We've actually had two mediums

who didn't know each other and hadn't been here before

and both of 'em said that there was a figure

that they felt a presence of it near that chair.

And that he really was stern and... and guarded.

He was like a guard for the, you know the room,

the place that he felt like, it was his place.

- Interesting. - Just like that.

I can't explain that... that much consistency.

That was wild.

Alice has had psychics investigate the house before

and she wanted to have another one take a look around.

And I don't use psychics on... on many investigations

just because it's very hard to quantify what they're saying,

but this was important to Alice.

So, we got somebody from out of state,

they came from California.

One thing I did think it was important is

using a psychic or a medium

who has never been to the house before

and even furthermore,

making sure they didn't have any idea where they were going.

She didn't know anything,

only because that would lend more credibility to what they were saying.

Very interesting.

Oh, okay.

Now am I...

- do you just want me to go on in. - Yeah, that's right.

- Ring the bell. - Yeah.

- Hi! - Hi.

- I'm Jill. - I'm Alice. Come in.

- Nice to meet you, Alice. - Nice to meet you, too.

Thank you for having me here.

Absolutely, we're delighted.

- Where would you like me to go? - The house is yours.

- Okay. - This is yours.

Very good.

So uh, what I'll do is I'm just gonna start down here.

I am not gonna say too much at first,

if you have any questions though for me, feel free to ask.

Okay.

And I'm just gonna sit over here.

Hmm. Is this a door to go outside?

It is, you can open it if you'd like.

- Do you mind? - No, not at all.

- Okay, I have to do this. - Not at all.

I have to get out here and look at this.

It's very interesting.

Can I ask you a question?

Was there a house that was right over here

- that's no longer there? - Behind Yes.

That's what I thought, okay.

That's important to me.

What I like to do is I just like to go through

and pick some really strong focal points

and then I'm gonna address them

like I did with that other door.

I'm just checking everything out.

Okay.

This one now.

Wow.

There's a lot of different dimensions going on,

there's a lot of shifting going on in this house.

Okay.

I'm gonna ask you a couple of questions.

About a week ago, I started having some very unusual dreams

that turned into what I call a "series."

I document them, I have a dream diary.

I also sometimes sketch.

What is so unusual

is as soon as I saw that door, went outside,

I knew this was the door.

This is the sketch that I did,

the walking stick leaning up against the door.

- Do you have a walking stick? - Uh, uh, hundreds.

That's... that's insane.

With faces, I collect 'em.

I don't even know if I should say this.

- I don't know if this - I'm a psychiatric nurse,

I've heard of murder stories, I've heard of abuse, everything

I don't want you to panic, it's nothing to panic about

but it is to me, it's a very sad imprint.

There was somebody killed in your backyard.

I do think there were landowners that lived here initially

that did not treat people so well.

The male, I feel him here.

I don't use this phrase very often,

but he was an evil person.

And I do think he had something to do

with the man that was killed in the back.

He's going to do whatever he can to try to get you to give up.

If he could burn this house down, he would.

Like I keep seeing things on fire,

it's constantly setting fire, constantly setting fire.

We had a number of people who heard that.

Then that's weird.

You struck a thought.

I've heard of history of fires in this town.

Florence burned several times.

First time it was uh,

facing west and when they rebuilt,

they built it north,

so that's the reason it's built with facing north now.

Do we know what caused the fire?

And from what I know, they... they don't know.

I mean, you know?

- But the fire created - But there

Wherever the fire was created,

the... the uh, geographical reconfiguration.

Uh-huh.

That's what... that's what he was saying that ...that... that... that

It's a fire detector.

All right, right there in the hallway.

Smoke detector.

We're talking about fire

and the smoke detector battery beeps.

My neighbor Erin next door,

moved there when she was 5 years old.

And uh, she's had a very significant part in this house,

but the main thing is that when she was 5 years old,

she would tell me that there was something buried in the backyard.

And I would say, "What?"

And she would say, "It might be a body."

I've lived in this house next door

since I was about 5 years old.

And ever since I've lived here,

I've always thought there was something different

about next-door even as a child.

Uh, I would walk over there sometimes

and one day I was over there

and I just had a strong feeling of,

"Oh, there's something, something different."

And uh, I was probably 6 or 7 years old.

And I was just convinced

that there was somebody buried in the backyard.

And um, I... I told my parents for years

that there is somebody buried in that backyard.

And uh, you couldn't convince me otherwise.

And I... I still think that now.

I was very adamant about it as a child.

And I still get that feeling

over there and when I'm in that spot, I'm just driven to that...

that particular area and I always have been.

One time I... I said I was gonna go dig it up

and prove that there was something there.

If you walk between our house and Alice's,

you'll see the property line.

These big oak trees that make a straight line.

That's the property line.

Seems like once you cross that property line, you're...

- In a different dimension. - You're protected, yeah.

- Yeah. - It won't let us...

My parents sadly have never had anything happen um,

we never uh noticed anything, heard anything,

but the minute you cross back over this tree line into her yard,

it um... you can just feel it that it's here.

I was visiting with Miss Alice once

and we were sitting in the dining room up... under the-the chandelier light.

And she goes, "Look, look up."

And I looked up and the... the chandelier um,

it had rotated itself like with the chain,

there was no tension in it.

It was... it was tilted on its side.

And I screamed, I mean,

real loud scream and she screamed

and both of us jumped up and ran over to the front door.

And the chandelier let go

and it was swinging so hard and far,

like this, just going

Like a pendulum.

Yeah, it was scary.

I've been scared over there

and just scared to go over there many times.

Flashlight?

Here, give you a light.

Thank you.

- Hey, Erin. - Hey.

So

I'm doing well, how are you doing?

- Good, good to see you. - You too.

How are you?

- I'm good. - Long time no see.

You doing all right?

- Yeah, I'm hanging in there. - Good, good.

So, we're going to go

to where you think

there might be something in the backyard.

- Yes. - Okay.

- There are a couple of spots. - So, we're gonna follow you.

Okay.

Watch your steps.

So, you felt like drawn to this spot, Erin?

Yeah, since I was uh, probably about 6 years old,

I've always felt that there was...

there's something over on this land.

That every time I was in one of... in this spot,

one of the stronger ones,

I just always thought it was a body here.

Or something significant happened to the body here.

But this is one of the main ones.

This was the one that I... I came to when I was real little.

We would come over here and play like little tea parties

And stuff at her backyard.

She'd let us in.

And I just didn't want to come play in this spot.

Erin actually did find four bodies near the Pearl River.

People knew they were there from the Civil War

and uh, and adults were trying to find those bodies and they couldn't.

That other guy told me that

when he took me along that sometimes children

are more open to... to things

that adults want to be close-minded to.

And so, he wanted me to try it.

And um,

everywhere that I walked over and they crossed,

they put a flag and then later that day,

went and did whatever they do.

And where I had marked, they found all four bodies.

That validates this one here.

- Validates, yeah. - Right.

And what else.

How could you have more validation than that,

that's impressive.

Well, you wanna try to do a EVP session right here?

- Sure. - Are you okay with that?

Oh yeah, take it around?

But... but you know, you can grab onto me.

- Okay. - You trust me after a few years, don't you?

Yeah, I'll do it, I'll hang out... okay.

All right, you ready?

- Yeah. - Okay.

Is there somebody out here in the yard?

Or the land?

Can you give us some kind of sign

that you're aware that Erin is standing right here?

Do you know Erin?

Hear that?

- It's like rustling in the bushes. - Yeah, yeah.

Is there something buried in the yard?

I'm not gonna lie, I jumped a little.

That was a little... it was kinda loud.

It was kinda loud whatever that was.

- Can you tell us what - I feel like I'm gonna throw up.

- Really? - Real sick.

Mm-hmm.

Just give me a... I just need to breathe.

- Okay. - Let me breath for a moment.

- Wanna walk out this way? - Mm-hmm.

- Which way? - Just over here to the bushes.

Oh my God.

- You okay? - Mm-hmm.

You okay?

My stomach just got tied up in knots.

It's okay.

I don't think I've ever spent

longer than four seconds standing in that spot.

Right now, we have a dog roaming the property

and trying to see if he can get hits

and see if he can pick up

on the scent of the bacteria that feeds on human remains.

Probing the aerated soil,

so that if there is any cadaver source here

it will allow the odor

to come up easier

and make it a little stronger for the dog to be able to work.

Slight interest and you can see

where he kept going back to that one area.

So, I'm going to run him through that area.

If it's someone buried,

the dog's gonna show a lot of interest to the trees.

And if a body is buried somewhere

and the trees grow up,

well they use the body as nourishment.

And so, the tree takes on that odor

and it's in their leaves and things like that.

He's going around these clumps of trees.

These are the only trees that he's looking up into, you know,

cause there are a lot of trees on this property,

but this section was what he's showing interest in

and looking up into the trees.

It's kinda like when we did a case in another state,

the body was buried

uh, and then they went back and dug it up

and moved it to another location.

The odor and the decomp was still in the ground.

So, it's that type of thing.

So, yeah it could be way old.

He's not given us a definite location.

He's just giving us where he is picking up odor

and it's coming through the trees.

It's the odor that he has been trained for,

I would investigate and see

whether or not there was a cemetery here.

And if they moved any bodies

and that may give you an answer to why the odor is here.

We brought some cadaver dogs over there, right?

Uh-huh.

Um, which they smell decomposition and bacteria

that feeds on human bodies... that sort of thing.

And those dogs were picking up

that odor in and around her yard

and so, we wanted to do a little research and see if perhaps

there's ever been any sort of evidence

of a burial there or a graveyard at any point in time?

This is a picture of the Florence Cemetery.

Right, yep.

This part that's clear

that is the original part of the cemetery.

All this here?

- All of this. - Okay, okay.

When the town burned, all of the records were burned.

And there is not any records anywhere on that part of it.

I see.

Do you think where Miss Alice's house is that perhaps

there could have been something like that

before record keeping, like before it all burnt?

It could be, but if it is,

I don't think there is any record of that.

So, if there was a grave of some sort or a burial

where Miss Alice lives now,

it would've had to have been before the fire.

Right.

In regards to this, where is Alice's house?

Is it say, north?

- Okay. Right. - Is it east or west?

All right, she's on this Clear Branch road.

Okay.

So, it will be up here.

Okay, so her house is somewhere...

Her house would be around here.

So, her house is around here where the unmarked section is.

Right, it would be on about there.

So, there are plenty of unmarked burials in Florence,

but no real evidence to show

that it's right there on Alice's property.

But nobody knows where those burials were prior to the fire.

After the fire, everything was destroyed.

All the records for the town,

so, there could have been something prior.

We can't jump to any conclusions, but we can speculate.

Would you ever consider moving back into the house and living here?

What would it take?

I uh...

if I didn't live here alone, you know,

if somebody else lived with me,

I'd probably, you know, I could do it, I could do it.

But... but alone here, uh, I haven't come to that point.

I mean, I haven't been to that place yet.

I really haven't.

I'm not saying I couldn't, but I haven't.

I'm not ready yet.

Because I still, I still don't know where I might end up.

I hope this process helps her,

I really do, that's the goal, that's what we're trying to...

I think we're 80% there, to be honest with you.

I think we're about 80% there.

Are we ever gonna get her back in the house sleeping at night?

I don't know.

I hope through this process, it uh...

There's no crying in ghost hunting, so...

I want to get to the point

where we can get her at peace with all of this.

She wants to get back here,

she wants to live here, she wants to be in here.

She wants to do everything.

She knew it was the place to raise a family,

her daughter, her everything.

And uh, it was taken away from her and uh,

we need to get that back.

The reason I still have my house and I haven't sold it

is because I really believe it has a purpose.

I think, you know, opening it up to people

is the way that something will be found.

If I sold it, somebody else might not be open to that.

But I think there's more to it.

I think everybody involved in this house

has a real closeness,

a genuine concern about each other.

I really have enjoyed the people that I've met.

Uh, I have a lot of special affection for John and Brad.

I mean, I really do, I feel like they're family.

And even though we have our lives separate, from here

we... we are definitely connected here.

It's been quite a ride from the first day I was here

to my current uh, relationship

and friendship with Miss Alice.

Alice will be in my life forever

even... uh, maybe when I pass away, when I cross over,

if she crosses over before me, we will hang out.

If uh... if I cross over,

well maybe I'll kick the ball down the steps on her.

Being involved in investigating paranormal activity

has become a mid-life second wind for me.

It's something that I've found that I really enjoy doing.

And couple that with helping a friend,

Miss Alice, really has been beneficial for my life.

It's just... it's added a...

a fresh chapter in my mid-life years.

It's made me wanna get up

and hit... hit the ground running more in my life.

So, it's a very, very important part of my life now.

We're a great team.

We make time for each other and I think that

we are locked in to figuring out what's going on in the house.

I would like to see Alice in a happy place

where she's satisfied with the work that we've done.

And I think she's gotten some answers.

I think there's key answers that she still has not had.

And end game for the Mississippi house.

In my opinion, I don't know if there is one,

and I think that this is a house where we're learning,

we're teaching.

And I think it's something that we can continue to do

for years to come.

- I put it on there this morning. - Yeah.

What do you mean you put it on this morning?

- I aimed my camera. - You did?

- Hey! Check this! - No, I aimed the camera

Check it, how do you check it?

- I don't know. - I got chills right now.

Dude, that just did that.

I don't... wasn't near it, nobody was there.

I saw that.

- So, if we got that... - Dude, here.

- We got that. - Holy!

Do you know how to check it on there?

How to bring it up on there?

Yeah, it's gonna be quick right here.

That's okay. It... it'll be...

Dude, come on, you gotta be kidding me right now.

Don't believe it.

Yeah, here we go, here's my last shot.

It was rolling.

- Yeah, we got it? - Yeah, it's not there anymore.

All right, so I was inside

and I was running around, I'm trying to get this gear sent out,

because we have gear shipping out today.

Got the camera, I'm messing with that

and I'm just going inside of the house.

And nobody was right here at all,

nobody was in the house, it was just me.

Uh, and I'm walking by and all of a sudden, I hear this ball

falling, falling down the stairs and there it is.

We're checking if we have it on camera right now.

There's the ball and it came from up there.

I like it,

but the fact that there's people in the house

moving around, all that stuff.

- Okay, yeah. - Just kinda makes me like...

I w... I was the only one in the house.

- Yeah, it's true. - You know what I mean?

- And I - Yeah, you were outside.

I... I promise, dude.

Like I... this whole thing's about honesty,

like I'm honest with you guys.

I was walking with the ball as it was

- We just saw. - I heard a noise

and I looked over and it was like

dunk, dunk, dunk, dunk, dunk.

I mean we have like f...-.

I mean this is the clip, this is the footage we've been waiting,

like this is evidence that we've been waiting to get.

- Who's that? - Oh, that must be Alice.

Uh-oh. Oh, dude!

- Can you pull it back? - Oh yeah.

What are... like what are your thoughts?

I'm really curious, what do you think?

Well... I mean, you guys see this all... look see that

Okay, I'm gonna pause it, I'm gonna frame this.

- Hey guys! - Yeah?

- There's nobody in here. - What?

- Get outta here! - So, we had a door move?

I don't know.

But it... it sounded like the front door opened or closed.

- But... - No, I definitely heard that.

I... you thought it was Alice.

Dude, I got freaking chills on my hand right now.

- Wait a second, look, no - Get outta here.

- No, wait, wait, wait. - What?

Let's hear that. Okay.

I think the wind probably blew it open.

Alright.

I mean that would be my assessment.

- I think that's what it was. - Okay.

- Honestly, I think - Yep.

Everybody just for whatever reason leaves this door like

this, it's never really

You know?

But that doesn't explain the ball.

What do you think?

I mean it's happened in this house many times.

Like eight or nine times.

So, I mean it's always exciting when it happens.

It's always exciting when it happens.

I mean that door sound is interesting.

And you know the thing is, I mean it could be wind, right?

We... well, yeah.

The doors open?

So, it closes by itself.

- Wait a minute. - Well, assuming it's that door.

Because I thought it was that front door

swinging open and hitting the closet door.

But the door's open right now.

So, it either wasn't that door, it was a different door.

Definitely sounded like a door closing.

A few days went by and I was wondering what that noise was.

Something that I wanted to figure out.

And it was just bothering me, it was frustrating me for real.

It was a frustrating four or five days, I think.

I was trying to figure out what it was.

The camera back there, it was aiming that way behind me.

And I noticed some movement

in the reflection of the chandelier.

It has a brass ball like un... un... un... beneath it.

So, I started looking closer at that

and I zoomed in and then bam!

My heart started racing.

What I saw you know,

were two... two different doors um, opening.

And then one of 'em open and closed.

It was like something... it was like something just came through.

It's one thing to capture a door opening,

but it's really a different level

when you see a door open and then close itself.

Like that I mean I haven't seen that before.

Now I can't tell you what... what the heck did that.

But something moved not only the chandelier

but opened and closed doors.

It's very interesting.

That's important to me.

Theoretically,

a gust of wind could open it maybe,

but open and close it, two of 'em?

In theory, I guess it's possible.

Don't forget you know, minutes, minutes before that

a baseball

was flipped down the steps.

And the doors were closed.

Not to mention there was hardly any breeze at all.

This is a Mississippi hot summer day.

So... so when you bundle all that up

and you look at that,

that is some dramatic activity

all within minutes.

You see now we got lights like coming...

yeah, those lights are freaking out.

I don't have all the answers, I just don't think it was normal.

You know, was it a ghost?

Yeah, it could be.

It wasn't a human in physical form.

This is... and this is gonna continue on.

It's... it's not to the point where she'll just be,

"Okay, it's over with."

Until we can figure out what's going on,

Miss Alice is going to wanna

pursue and keep trying to find the answers.

What created those lights?

And I'll be right by her side.

We're... we're gonna do this together and figure this out.

Bless Alice, Lord.

And be with her always.

I think the attraction to all of it is,

there's always been the question, what's after death?

And anybody who hasn't thought about, that is a liar.

I think if you find proof of ghost,

then you found your proof of life after death.

And you don't have to just take it on faith.

And we being human beings, we'd like to have proof of it.

Uh, I really think that's the attraction of it.

I... I think that that will always be the attraction of ghost stories.

I think this is one of those mysterious areas of life

that this is gonna have to be something that people deal with

in their own hearts, their own minds.

And come to their own conclusions.

And just be true to themselves.

When I was growing up, my grandmother

told us one time that uh, they had a ghost in their house.

Every night that ghost would come there and go up the steps.

So finally, they decided they would go

and they would find out what the ghost was.

So, they went out that night

and about the middle of the night,

here come several goats going up and down the steps,

up and down the steps.

So, their ghost was a goat ghost. Debunk.