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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:45,828 --> 00:00:48,918 Bernstein: I first heard about Hart Island 2 00:00:48,918 --> 00:00:52,704 when I was working on a story about a formerly homeless man. 3 00:00:52,704 --> 00:00:54,750 He had lived in the tunnels 4 00:00:54,750 --> 00:00:58,362 underneath Penn Station, I think. 5 00:00:58,362 --> 00:01:02,540 There was a photographer who photographed his little -- 6 00:01:02,540 --> 00:01:05,152 the little house he had made himself there. 7 00:01:05,152 --> 00:01:07,284 And because of her work, he had been rescued, 8 00:01:07,284 --> 00:01:08,807 he'd been given a home, 9 00:01:08,807 --> 00:01:11,506 and then he'd been found dead in that home. 10 00:01:11,506 --> 00:01:14,683 And he was going to go to Hart Island. 11 00:01:14,683 --> 00:01:17,947 And it was -- there was such sadness at the idea 12 00:01:17,947 --> 00:01:22,386 that this man who had finally achieved a home of his own 13 00:01:22,386 --> 00:01:24,606 was going to be dispossessed -- 14 00:01:24,606 --> 00:01:27,304 was going to be one of the multitude 15 00:01:27,304 --> 00:01:29,828 in these anonymous graves. 16 00:01:33,310 --> 00:01:35,704 [Siren wailing in distance] 17 00:01:38,402 --> 00:01:42,058 ♪♪ 18 00:01:42,058 --> 00:01:45,061 I'm a New Yorker, and I believe 19 00:01:45,061 --> 00:01:48,195 that New York is more than, 20 00:01:48,195 --> 00:01:50,458 you know, the old idea of the city on the hill. 21 00:01:50,458 --> 00:01:54,897 New York is really what America is about. 22 00:01:54,897 --> 00:02:01,338 ♪♪ 23 00:02:01,338 --> 00:02:08,084 And there is a tragedy inherent in a big metropolis. 24 00:02:08,084 --> 00:02:12,393 There are all these stories of the chance gone by, 25 00:02:12,393 --> 00:02:15,918 the mistakes, the bad childhood, 26 00:02:15,918 --> 00:02:19,922 bad choices, or just bad luck. 27 00:02:19,922 --> 00:02:23,969 That's something that any great metropolis contends with. 28 00:02:23,969 --> 00:02:27,495 ♪♪ 29 00:02:27,495 --> 00:02:30,628 But there's something more here -- 30 00:02:30,628 --> 00:02:33,588 that you could have a loving family, 31 00:02:33,588 --> 00:02:36,591 a career, money set aside. 32 00:02:36,591 --> 00:02:40,203 ♪♪ 33 00:02:40,203 --> 00:02:43,989 And you could still end up in a mass grave 34 00:02:43,989 --> 00:02:48,646 on an island off-limits to the public 35 00:02:48,646 --> 00:02:52,650 buried by inmates paid 50 cents an hour. 36 00:02:52,650 --> 00:03:01,050 ♪♪ 37 00:03:01,050 --> 00:03:09,450 ♪♪ 38 00:03:09,450 --> 00:03:17,893 ♪♪ 39 00:03:17,893 --> 00:03:20,504 [Siren wailing] 40 00:03:20,504 --> 00:03:27,685 ♪♪ 41 00:03:27,685 --> 00:03:34,866 ♪♪ 42 00:03:34,866 --> 00:03:37,042 Rockwell: "The wind rises in from the sound 43 00:03:37,042 --> 00:03:40,524 carrying the clang of the bell buoy from nearby City Island, 44 00:03:40,524 --> 00:03:44,180 tolling its fitful warning." 45 00:03:44,180 --> 00:03:46,922 [Bell clanging] 46 00:03:46,922 --> 00:03:50,752 ♪♪ 47 00:03:50,752 --> 00:03:54,451 "All around is desolate and sad, 48 00:03:54,451 --> 00:03:57,019 no kind hand to decorate these graves 49 00:03:57,019 --> 00:04:00,196 with trophies of love and remembrance." 50 00:04:00,196 --> 00:04:06,158 ♪♪ 51 00:04:06,158 --> 00:04:08,900 "Not even a headstone to show where is interred 52 00:04:08,900 --> 00:04:11,425 what was once a human being." 53 00:04:11,425 --> 00:04:16,691 ♪♪ 54 00:04:16,691 --> 00:04:22,000 ♪♪ 55 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,656 Lacquer: I think people have understood since Roman antiquity 56 00:04:25,656 --> 00:04:30,792 that cities eat many of their inhabitants. 57 00:04:30,792 --> 00:04:33,055 The word "potter's field," after all, is biblical, 58 00:04:33,055 --> 00:04:34,578 but it really means a place, 59 00:04:34,578 --> 00:04:36,928 an industrial area where we used to dig clay, 60 00:04:36,928 --> 00:04:42,456 and that's where you put the bodies that the city ate up. 61 00:04:42,456 --> 00:04:45,285 Every city has a place for the burying of the poor. 62 00:04:45,285 --> 00:04:47,374 Hart Island is, like everything in New York, 63 00:04:47,374 --> 00:04:49,637 sort of bigger and grander 64 00:04:49,637 --> 00:04:52,379 and slightly grungier. [Chuckles] 65 00:04:52,379 --> 00:04:56,252 So in that sense, Hart Island represents, 66 00:04:56,252 --> 00:04:59,124 you know, a city which spat out a million people. 67 00:04:59,124 --> 00:05:03,259 ♪♪ 68 00:05:03,259 --> 00:05:06,218 Czitrom: We must always value the individual life, 69 00:05:06,218 --> 00:05:08,612 particularly in a city like New York, 70 00:05:08,612 --> 00:05:10,745 where too often, we reduce people 71 00:05:10,745 --> 00:05:14,270 to teeming masses, immigrants, 72 00:05:14,270 --> 00:05:17,317 the refuse of the world. 73 00:05:17,317 --> 00:05:19,231 They make us forget sometimes 74 00:05:19,231 --> 00:05:22,887 that behind every one of those bodies at Hart Island 75 00:05:22,887 --> 00:05:28,153 was a lived life, aspirations, loved ones. 76 00:05:28,153 --> 00:05:31,069 It seems to me that that all those million-plus folks 77 00:05:31,069 --> 00:05:34,595 buried in Hart Island offer us a kind of record 78 00:05:34,595 --> 00:05:37,119 of lived life in New York City, 79 00:05:37,119 --> 00:05:38,512 in many cases anonymous. 80 00:05:38,512 --> 00:05:40,122 In many cases, the people are unknown. 81 00:05:40,122 --> 00:05:41,428 In many cases, we know very little 82 00:05:41,428 --> 00:05:43,473 about the people buried there. 83 00:05:43,473 --> 00:05:49,436 Nonetheless, these lives matter, and they mattered. 84 00:05:49,436 --> 00:05:51,829 [Bell clanging] 85 00:05:51,829 --> 00:05:59,663 ♪♪ 86 00:05:59,663 --> 00:06:07,497 ♪♪ 87 00:06:07,497 --> 00:06:15,418 ♪♪ 88 00:06:15,418 --> 00:06:18,726 [Ferrer speaking Spanish] 89 00:06:22,512 --> 00:06:30,868 ♪♪ 90 00:06:38,136 --> 00:06:44,839 ♪♪ 91 00:07:12,823 --> 00:07:15,130 ♪♪ 92 00:07:18,220 --> 00:07:26,184 ♪♪ 93 00:08:13,014 --> 00:08:20,891 ♪♪ 94 00:08:20,891 --> 00:08:28,725 ♪♪ 95 00:08:28,725 --> 00:08:36,603 ♪♪ 96 00:08:36,603 --> 00:08:44,480 ♪♪ 97 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,788 De Jesus: My baby was already sick, so I already knew 98 00:08:47,788 --> 00:08:52,662 that there was a 50/50 chance of him living or dying. 99 00:08:52,662 --> 00:08:55,099 [Child speaks indistinctly] 100 00:08:55,099 --> 00:08:57,232 Gave birth to him. 101 00:08:57,232 --> 00:09:00,322 I didn't have the financial 102 00:09:00,322 --> 00:09:02,367 to be able to bury him and stuff. 103 00:09:02,367 --> 00:09:06,981 So the hospital gave me a week 104 00:09:06,981 --> 00:09:11,942 for me to, you know, collect the money. 105 00:09:11,942 --> 00:09:15,816 I went to the welfare day after day, day after day 106 00:09:15,816 --> 00:09:20,211 the entire week that I was given, 107 00:09:20,211 --> 00:09:23,780 and they said no. 108 00:09:23,780 --> 00:09:26,391 And at that point, I didn't know my real mother. 109 00:09:26,391 --> 00:09:30,047 I didn't know my real family. 110 00:09:30,047 --> 00:09:34,182 So it was like, I really didn't have nobody. 111 00:09:34,182 --> 00:09:38,708 I was alone out here living actually literally alone. 112 00:09:42,756 --> 00:09:45,106 I can't be ungrateful, 113 00:09:45,106 --> 00:09:50,633 because me living under public assistance, New York City, 114 00:09:50,633 --> 00:09:57,684 has been helping my children a lot. 115 00:09:57,684 --> 00:10:02,732 But when it comes to my son, they failed me completely, 116 00:10:02,732 --> 00:10:05,387 because I put all my trust on them. 117 00:10:05,387 --> 00:10:11,828 I put my child's body in their hands to bury him. 118 00:10:11,828 --> 00:10:14,918 You know, it's not the way I wanted. 119 00:10:14,918 --> 00:10:20,184 But I figure at least he's going to be buried. 120 00:10:20,184 --> 00:10:25,537 He'll be a peace. But he's -- He wasn't. 121 00:10:25,537 --> 00:10:33,894 ♪♪ 122 00:10:33,894 --> 00:10:42,163 ♪♪ 123 00:10:42,163 --> 00:10:50,562 ♪♪ 124 00:10:50,562 --> 00:10:52,390 Czitrom: Well, when Hart Island is opened, 125 00:10:52,390 --> 00:10:56,394 New York is on the cusp of yet another enormous rush of growth. 126 00:10:56,394 --> 00:10:59,615 The city's population basically doubled every 20 years. 127 00:10:59,615 --> 00:11:01,922 ♪♪ 128 00:11:01,922 --> 00:11:04,838 New York City is the commercial capital of America. 129 00:11:04,838 --> 00:11:07,188 It's the center of its publishing industry. 130 00:11:07,188 --> 00:11:09,886 It's the center of fashion. 131 00:11:09,886 --> 00:11:12,628 And, of course, next to the glitz, 132 00:11:12,628 --> 00:11:15,544 next to the glamor, next to the mansions being built 133 00:11:15,544 --> 00:11:18,112 by A.T. Stewart or the Vanderbilts, 134 00:11:18,112 --> 00:11:21,942 you have the reality of The Five Points, the slums, 135 00:11:21,942 --> 00:11:26,163 the very, very difficult lives lived by most New Yorkers -- 136 00:11:26,163 --> 00:11:29,384 that is to say the working class and the poor. 137 00:11:29,384 --> 00:11:32,387 ♪♪ 138 00:11:32,387 --> 00:11:35,825 New York is forced to create a whole series of institutions 139 00:11:35,825 --> 00:11:39,263 to deal with the realities of tens of thousands of immigrants 140 00:11:39,263 --> 00:11:42,397 coming into the city continually. 141 00:11:42,397 --> 00:11:43,833 There was a sense, I think, 142 00:11:43,833 --> 00:11:46,662 that these people needed to be separated out, 143 00:11:46,662 --> 00:11:50,274 that people were not comfortable seeing the insane, 144 00:11:50,274 --> 00:11:53,016 seeing the paupers, seeing elderly alcoholics 145 00:11:53,016 --> 00:11:55,889 on the streets of New York. 146 00:11:55,889 --> 00:11:57,847 And many of these institutions -- 147 00:11:57,847 --> 00:12:01,024 prisons, lunatic asylums, hospitals, 148 00:12:01,024 --> 00:12:04,419 all were erected and created outside Manhattan 149 00:12:04,419 --> 00:12:07,117 on these islands in the East River. 150 00:12:07,117 --> 00:12:10,860 ♪♪ 151 00:12:10,860 --> 00:12:12,732 Sante: There was Welfare Island, 152 00:12:12,732 --> 00:12:14,734 there were the Quarantine Islands, 153 00:12:14,734 --> 00:12:16,736 and, of course, Ellis Island. 154 00:12:16,736 --> 00:12:20,957 And these were all various processing stations. 155 00:12:20,957 --> 00:12:25,179 Hart Island was the terminal island. 156 00:12:25,179 --> 00:12:30,010 So, this archipelago that New York City is 157 00:12:30,010 --> 00:12:34,536 it is sort of part of the great digestive system 158 00:12:34,536 --> 00:12:36,277 of the metropolis. 159 00:12:36,277 --> 00:12:42,457 ♪♪ 160 00:12:42,457 --> 00:12:45,634 There's this perpetually renewing population 161 00:12:45,634 --> 00:12:48,637 of people who come for an opportunity 162 00:12:48,637 --> 00:12:51,248 or because they're fleeing something 163 00:12:51,248 --> 00:12:53,903 or because they want to reinvent themselves, 164 00:12:53,903 --> 00:12:56,079 who wash up in New York, 165 00:12:56,079 --> 00:13:00,910 and perhaps, they do not find a way of "making it." 166 00:13:00,910 --> 00:13:04,871 And so they exist on the fringes. 167 00:13:04,871 --> 00:13:07,569 ♪♪ 168 00:13:07,569 --> 00:13:11,965 New York has had to, you know, just out of necessity, 169 00:13:11,965 --> 00:13:15,620 cultivate this kind of indifference. 170 00:13:15,620 --> 00:13:17,318 This is something that all great cities 171 00:13:17,318 --> 00:13:19,668 have in common to one degree or another, 172 00:13:19,668 --> 00:13:24,891 but New York City is an exaggeration of this process. 173 00:13:24,891 --> 00:13:26,936 ♪♪ 174 00:13:26,936 --> 00:13:28,938 Czitrom: In the 1890s, early 1900s, 175 00:13:28,938 --> 00:13:30,548 every spring, the police department 176 00:13:30,548 --> 00:13:33,247 would have to fish out scores and scores of bodies 177 00:13:33,247 --> 00:13:36,119 that floated to the surface on the harbor or in the rivers. 178 00:13:36,119 --> 00:13:38,208 What do you do with these bodies? 179 00:13:38,208 --> 00:13:40,471 Most of them, totally anonymous. 180 00:13:40,471 --> 00:13:43,605 These folks went to Hart Island. 181 00:13:43,605 --> 00:13:46,564 This is a place that New York has to have 182 00:13:46,564 --> 00:13:49,611 to service the reality of death. 183 00:13:49,611 --> 00:13:56,705 ♪♪ 184 00:13:56,705 --> 00:13:59,055 Bernstein: I think New Yorkers understand 185 00:13:59,055 --> 00:14:02,667 that there are always going to be inequalities in the city, 186 00:14:02,667 --> 00:14:07,281 huge inequalities, and they're in very sharp focus. 187 00:14:07,281 --> 00:14:12,982 But in death, we're equal. 188 00:14:12,982 --> 00:14:16,029 We all die alone. 189 00:14:16,029 --> 00:14:18,074 [Sirens wailing in distance] 190 00:14:18,074 --> 00:14:21,164 ♪♪ 191 00:14:21,164 --> 00:14:26,996 In today's world, you have so many families who are estranged 192 00:14:26,996 --> 00:14:32,001 or just lost to each other by distance, by misfortune. 193 00:14:32,001 --> 00:14:35,962 ♪♪ 194 00:14:35,962 --> 00:14:41,837 And yet to know that someone you once loved 195 00:14:41,837 --> 00:14:44,144 or that you hoped loved you 196 00:14:44,144 --> 00:14:47,190 is buried in a mass grave on Hart Island, 197 00:14:47,190 --> 00:14:51,194 that resonates forever. 198 00:14:51,194 --> 00:14:56,547 ♪♪ 199 00:14:56,547 --> 00:15:01,901 ♪♪ 200 00:15:01,901 --> 00:15:04,947 [Ferrer speaking Spanish] 201 00:15:13,086 --> 00:15:16,611 ♪♪ 202 00:15:25,489 --> 00:15:34,585 ♪♪ 203 00:15:43,029 --> 00:15:50,558 ♪♪ 204 00:16:02,918 --> 00:16:08,358 ♪♪ 205 00:16:25,245 --> 00:16:28,683 ♪♪ 206 00:16:48,529 --> 00:16:51,401 ♪♪ 207 00:18:37,203 --> 00:18:46,647 ♪♪ 208 00:18:46,647 --> 00:18:56,047 ♪♪ 209 00:18:56,047 --> 00:19:05,492 ♪♪ 210 00:19:05,492 --> 00:19:08,190 Hanson: We got married in 1982 211 00:19:08,190 --> 00:19:10,497 and got married at my sister's house 212 00:19:10,497 --> 00:19:11,933 'cause I never wanted a big wedding. 213 00:19:11,933 --> 00:19:14,370 I was never the one to be in front of -- 214 00:19:14,370 --> 00:19:16,546 you know, wear a dress and have all these people 215 00:19:16,546 --> 00:19:18,287 that, you know, sometimes you don't even know half of them. 216 00:19:18,287 --> 00:19:20,115 Why would you want them there at your wedding? 217 00:19:20,115 --> 00:19:24,337 But there were a lot of great times with with Bruce, a lot. 218 00:19:24,337 --> 00:19:26,991 ♪♪ 219 00:19:26,991 --> 00:19:28,776 And when he started spiraling down, 220 00:19:28,776 --> 00:19:30,212 that was in 84, 221 00:19:30,212 --> 00:19:33,824 we moved right next to a bar called Lady L's. 222 00:19:33,824 --> 00:19:36,218 We used to go to Lady L's on on Friday nights, 223 00:19:36,218 --> 00:19:38,351 got a babysitter for Kimberly. 224 00:19:38,351 --> 00:19:42,181 And he started hanging out with a lot of different people 225 00:19:42,181 --> 00:19:46,968 and started drinking heavily. 226 00:19:46,968 --> 00:19:48,361 And the bar was right next door, 227 00:19:48,361 --> 00:19:50,537 which was not the greatest thing, 228 00:19:50,537 --> 00:19:54,454 Didn't think anything of it when we moved to the house. 229 00:19:54,454 --> 00:19:57,457 But it happened, and... 230 00:19:57,457 --> 00:20:00,808 ♪♪ 231 00:20:00,808 --> 00:20:04,507 I remember vodka bottles being under the bed hidden, 232 00:20:04,507 --> 00:20:07,293 you know, so -- And they would argue constantly, 233 00:20:07,293 --> 00:20:13,212 so I just remember my childhood not wonderful. 234 00:20:13,212 --> 00:20:15,344 ♪♪ 235 00:20:15,344 --> 00:20:18,565 You know, I think that he hurt his back at work, 236 00:20:18,565 --> 00:20:21,611 and he got addicted to pain medication 237 00:20:21,611 --> 00:20:25,528 and then cocaine, then alcohol, and he just spiraled downhill. 238 00:20:25,528 --> 00:20:30,925 ♪♪ 239 00:20:30,925 --> 00:20:33,188 Hanson: A lot of times at night, I wouldn't stay home. 240 00:20:33,188 --> 00:20:34,668 I would sleep over my girlfriend's house 241 00:20:34,668 --> 00:20:37,236 with the dog and, of course, my daughter. 242 00:20:37,236 --> 00:20:40,151 And my mother called up one night, 243 00:20:40,151 --> 00:20:43,067 and I wasn't there yet 'cause I stayed at Eileen's house. 244 00:20:43,067 --> 00:20:44,330 And my mom said, "What kind of a -- 245 00:20:44,330 --> 00:20:45,983 What kind of a daughter are you? 246 00:20:45,983 --> 00:20:48,856 You don't come home at night? What is wrong with you?" 247 00:20:48,856 --> 00:20:52,207 And I broke -- I broke down in tears, because now they knew. 248 00:20:52,207 --> 00:20:54,731 Now my secret is coming out. 249 00:20:54,731 --> 00:20:56,733 [Siren wailing] 250 00:20:56,733 --> 00:21:02,173 ♪♪ 251 00:21:02,173 --> 00:21:04,393 He was better off out of the picture 252 00:21:04,393 --> 00:21:06,308 if he couldn't be straight, 253 00:21:06,308 --> 00:21:10,138 because it would just hurt her, would hurt her too much. 254 00:21:10,138 --> 00:21:12,880 If you're in a relationship, you have to be "us," 255 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:14,751 has to be family. If it's not family, 256 00:21:14,751 --> 00:21:18,146 it's not a relationship. It's not love. It's not there. 257 00:21:18,146 --> 00:21:20,322 [Car horn blares] 258 00:21:20,322 --> 00:21:22,368 [Whistle blows] 259 00:21:22,368 --> 00:21:24,065 Bradshaw: He would always enter my conscience. 260 00:21:24,065 --> 00:21:26,633 I would always wonder, is he okay? 261 00:21:26,633 --> 00:21:29,505 What is he doing? Is he living on the streets? 262 00:21:29,505 --> 00:21:31,464 Even when I would go to Manhattan when I was younger, 263 00:21:31,464 --> 00:21:34,815 I would always wonder if that was him. 264 00:21:34,815 --> 00:21:37,774 You know, I'd always want to give money to those people 265 00:21:37,774 --> 00:21:40,908 'cause I felt like that was my dad. 266 00:21:40,908 --> 00:21:43,127 Like, I hoped, which people don't hope, 267 00:21:43,127 --> 00:21:46,348 that he was either in the hospital or in jail, 268 00:21:46,348 --> 00:21:49,438 where I would get that one moment that he was sober. 269 00:21:49,438 --> 00:21:52,267 And I never got it. 270 00:21:52,267 --> 00:21:54,487 And the fact that he was in a hospital 271 00:21:54,487 --> 00:21:58,012 and nobody contacted any family members 272 00:21:58,012 --> 00:22:01,102 and then hid his body for three years is crazy. 273 00:22:02,799 --> 00:22:11,765 ♪♪ 274 00:22:11,765 --> 00:22:20,687 ♪♪ 275 00:22:20,687 --> 00:22:29,696 ♪♪ 276 00:22:29,696 --> 00:22:34,570 Sweat: So, in the world today, everyone knows America 277 00:22:34,570 --> 00:22:39,488 as the land of freedom and opportunity, 278 00:22:39,488 --> 00:22:43,840 because you see me in front of you now. 279 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:48,323 But prior to seeing me here, 280 00:22:48,323 --> 00:22:52,849 you didn't know of me, except for one thing. 281 00:22:52,849 --> 00:22:57,550 "He is less than a man. 282 00:22:57,550 --> 00:23:01,597 He is not America. 283 00:23:01,597 --> 00:23:07,081 He is the slave that built America." 284 00:23:07,081 --> 00:23:12,391 ♪♪ 285 00:23:12,391 --> 00:23:18,179 This is the twosome of every man and woman of color. 286 00:23:18,179 --> 00:23:19,789 Now, we at the point 287 00:23:19,789 --> 00:23:25,229 when we stumble upon a part of history 288 00:23:25,229 --> 00:23:29,190 that doencounter us as a people of color, 289 00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:31,888 of honor, of respect. 290 00:23:31,888 --> 00:23:37,851 ♪♪ 291 00:23:37,851 --> 00:23:40,636 [Man shouting indistinctly in distance] 292 00:23:40,636 --> 00:23:46,729 ♪♪ 293 00:23:46,729 --> 00:23:53,649 Hart and Rikers Island at the time of 1860 294 00:23:53,649 --> 00:23:59,002 was being converted into Camp Astor. 295 00:23:59,002 --> 00:24:01,222 ♪♪ 296 00:24:01,222 --> 00:24:03,529 There was mustered in 297 00:24:03,529 --> 00:24:09,012 over 200,000 soldiers of color. 298 00:24:09,012 --> 00:24:11,798 ♪♪ 299 00:24:11,798 --> 00:24:15,410 America was not America at that time. 300 00:24:15,410 --> 00:24:20,981 It was Confederacy in the South and the Union up in the North, 301 00:24:20,981 --> 00:24:24,288 and what brought us together was the Civil War. 302 00:24:24,288 --> 00:24:27,204 ♪♪ 303 00:24:27,204 --> 00:24:30,251 If it wasn't for these men, we would not be free today. 304 00:24:30,251 --> 00:24:33,341 If it wasn't for those United States colored troops, 305 00:24:33,341 --> 00:24:37,737 we would not be as proud as we are today. 306 00:24:37,737 --> 00:24:39,739 [Cheers and applause in distance] 307 00:24:39,739 --> 00:24:44,439 ♪♪ 308 00:24:44,439 --> 00:24:48,661 United States colored troops were definitely on that island. 309 00:24:48,661 --> 00:24:51,664 And there still are certain little indications 310 00:24:51,664 --> 00:24:55,363 that there are so few bodies that still remain. 311 00:24:55,363 --> 00:24:58,584 ♪♪ 312 00:24:58,584 --> 00:25:03,371 And in us knocking at the door, who is there to open it? 313 00:25:03,371 --> 00:25:07,462 A correctional department. 314 00:25:07,462 --> 00:25:09,769 I've never so been humiliated 315 00:25:09,769 --> 00:25:16,210 that to have a correction officer direct me in prayer. 316 00:25:16,210 --> 00:25:23,043 ♪♪ 317 00:25:23,043 --> 00:25:26,307 Hunt: When the burials began in 1869, 318 00:25:26,307 --> 00:25:33,575 the Department of Charities and Correction was one city agency. 319 00:25:33,575 --> 00:25:35,708 And what happened more recently 320 00:25:35,708 --> 00:25:39,973 was the Department of Welfare pulled out of Hart Island 321 00:25:39,973 --> 00:25:42,541 and left the Department of Correction 322 00:25:42,541 --> 00:25:44,847 in charge of these burials. 323 00:25:44,847 --> 00:25:49,504 ♪♪ 324 00:25:49,504 --> 00:25:52,942 So, it used to be that there was a dead house 325 00:25:52,942 --> 00:25:57,556 at the end of 26th Street and a dock, 326 00:25:57,556 --> 00:26:03,170 and in the dead house, the bodies which were unclaimed 327 00:26:03,170 --> 00:26:07,000 were put in these boxes and then put onto a boat. 328 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,786 There were two steamships. One was called Hope[Chuckles] 329 00:26:10,786 --> 00:26:13,136 and the other was called Fidelity. 330 00:26:13,136 --> 00:26:17,967 ♪♪ 331 00:26:17,967 --> 00:26:20,013 Rockwell: "The boat backs up to the dead house 332 00:26:20,013 --> 00:26:24,539 and takes the coffins with their ghastly freight. 333 00:26:24,539 --> 00:26:26,672 They're shoved rudely down a slide 334 00:26:26,672 --> 00:26:28,891 like the various merchandise. 335 00:26:28,891 --> 00:26:30,850 And as they strike the deck, 336 00:26:30,850 --> 00:26:34,723 we hear the thud of the body and its rude receptacle." 337 00:26:34,723 --> 00:26:36,899 ♪♪ 338 00:26:36,899 --> 00:26:41,556 "'Business is good today,' the Charon of the Styx says. 339 00:26:41,556 --> 00:26:44,559 As we count the coffins heaped up promiscuously, 340 00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:46,692 we think so, too." 341 00:26:46,692 --> 00:26:52,001 ♪♪ 342 00:26:52,001 --> 00:26:57,093 "We steam away and soon touch at Blackwell's Island. 343 00:26:57,093 --> 00:26:59,748 Here, the bodies of those who died of smallpox 344 00:26:59,748 --> 00:27:04,361 and other contagious diseases are taken on-board. 345 00:27:04,361 --> 00:27:09,062 Charity Hospital is also visited and contributes its quota." 346 00:27:09,062 --> 00:27:11,194 ♪♪ 347 00:27:11,194 --> 00:27:12,674 "The coffins are bundled out 348 00:27:12,674 --> 00:27:15,198 to men who cart them away into a field, 349 00:27:15,198 --> 00:27:17,723 handling them as rudely as baggage masters 350 00:27:17,723 --> 00:27:19,768 to trucks at a depot. 351 00:27:19,768 --> 00:27:25,774 Trenches are about 15 feet deep and 6 feet wide. 352 00:27:25,774 --> 00:27:28,516 The coffins are piled up like wood and cords 353 00:27:28,516 --> 00:27:34,478 or fuel in a coal pit, 13 deep. 354 00:27:34,478 --> 00:27:37,873 As soon as the coffin is placed at the bottom of the trench, 355 00:27:37,873 --> 00:27:40,180 a barrow of dirt is thrown over it 356 00:27:40,180 --> 00:27:43,966 and another coffin placed above. 357 00:27:43,966 --> 00:27:46,752 Children's coffins are chucked in at the feet of the others 358 00:27:46,752 --> 00:27:50,451 and help to form a solid mass. 359 00:27:50,451 --> 00:27:53,541 A foot of earth is then thrown upon the upper one 360 00:27:53,541 --> 00:27:55,935 until the work is completed." 361 00:27:55,935 --> 00:27:58,154 ♪♪ 362 00:27:58,154 --> 00:28:01,897 "Thus all nationalities rest close together. 363 00:28:01,897 --> 00:28:05,161 The murderer is a close companion of the thief 364 00:28:05,161 --> 00:28:09,775 and the suicide is just beneath the pauper. 365 00:28:09,775 --> 00:28:12,168 There is no aristocracy." 366 00:28:12,168 --> 00:28:16,651 ♪♪ 367 00:28:30,273 --> 00:28:32,928 Hunt: I first heard of Hart Island 368 00:28:32,928 --> 00:28:35,278 from a physician 369 00:28:35,278 --> 00:28:38,455 who was at Harlem Hospital. 370 00:28:38,455 --> 00:28:42,024 And she was talking about 371 00:28:42,024 --> 00:28:46,855 infants that were born addicted to crack 372 00:28:46,855 --> 00:28:50,859 and that they were buried in shoeboxes 373 00:28:50,859 --> 00:28:55,385 1,000 at a time on Hart Island. 374 00:28:55,385 --> 00:28:58,954 And at that time, Hart Island was open to journalists 375 00:28:58,954 --> 00:29:00,651 and to academics, 376 00:29:00,651 --> 00:29:06,701 and so I decided that I was just going to get there. 377 00:29:06,701 --> 00:29:12,751 And it just so happened that that day was the very first day 378 00:29:12,751 --> 00:29:15,884 that these inmates had ever been on Hart Island. 379 00:29:18,234 --> 00:29:22,369 And these were young men convicted of misdemeanors 380 00:29:22,369 --> 00:29:25,764 like turnstile jumping, graffiti. 381 00:29:25,764 --> 00:29:29,506 So, you know, they're not felons or anything like that. 382 00:29:29,506 --> 00:29:32,379 They're young men that couldn't afford a good lawyer. 383 00:29:39,212 --> 00:29:40,953 Rodriguez: Oh, I used to live in Red Hook. 384 00:29:40,953 --> 00:29:42,345 That was one of the bad neighborhoods 385 00:29:42,345 --> 00:29:45,218 by the Battery Tunnel in Brooklyn. 386 00:29:45,218 --> 00:29:50,179 And New York City, and it was crazy in '89. 387 00:29:50,179 --> 00:29:52,312 It was crack and stuff like that. 388 00:29:52,312 --> 00:29:55,576 And we used to sell weed and drugs and stuff like that. 389 00:29:55,576 --> 00:29:57,621 And I wind up getting caught with possession, 390 00:29:57,621 --> 00:29:59,275 and I win up going to Rikers Island 391 00:29:59,275 --> 00:30:01,234 for a little bit of time. 392 00:30:01,234 --> 00:30:03,410 ♪♪ 393 00:30:03,410 --> 00:30:05,629 In those days, it was it was a zoo. 394 00:30:05,629 --> 00:30:09,329 You could get anything. You could get a knife or anything. 395 00:30:09,329 --> 00:30:11,679 One guy -- One time, the guy had a gun in there. 396 00:30:11,679 --> 00:30:15,378 It was like -- like gladiator school every day. 397 00:30:15,378 --> 00:30:17,076 And so when I got short -- 398 00:30:17,076 --> 00:30:18,686 Short means that you're going home. 399 00:30:18,686 --> 00:30:21,602 You don't have a lot of time left in your sentence -- 400 00:30:21,602 --> 00:30:25,040 They gave me a job in Hart Island. 401 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:32,047 ♪♪ 402 00:30:32,047 --> 00:30:34,267 Next thing you know, they put some shackles on you, 403 00:30:34,267 --> 00:30:36,835 and they take you on a little bus, 404 00:30:36,835 --> 00:30:39,054 and then they take you on a boat. 405 00:30:39,054 --> 00:30:41,187 I'm a little scared 'cause I'm in handcuffs. 406 00:30:41,187 --> 00:30:42,971 I'm on the boat thinking the boat's going to go down. 407 00:30:42,971 --> 00:30:44,973 I think the worst or whatever. 408 00:30:44,973 --> 00:30:46,975 And they take you to Hart Island. 409 00:30:46,975 --> 00:30:51,980 And I still didn't know that Hart Island was potter's field. 410 00:30:51,980 --> 00:30:54,026 I heard of potter's field in movies and stuff like that, 411 00:30:54,026 --> 00:30:58,508 but I didn't -- I didn't even know what -- what it meant. 412 00:30:58,508 --> 00:31:01,468 And there's only two officers. No fence, no nothing. 413 00:31:01,468 --> 00:31:04,471 And there was this smell. I don't know what the smell was. 414 00:31:04,471 --> 00:31:07,474 So, the next morning, it's raining, and they tell you, 415 00:31:07,474 --> 00:31:09,606 "We're going to go -- We're going to go to work." 416 00:31:09,606 --> 00:31:16,352 ♪♪ 417 00:31:16,352 --> 00:31:20,182 We walk to this big hallway, but it was graves, 418 00:31:20,182 --> 00:31:24,186 and there were mass graves with wooden boxes, 419 00:31:24,186 --> 00:31:27,842 and we're going to move them to put more boxes in there. 420 00:31:27,842 --> 00:31:29,975 And the people that were there are John Does 421 00:31:29,975 --> 00:31:32,455 or people that nobody wants to pay for 422 00:31:32,455 --> 00:31:35,806 or people that get lost in the system. 423 00:31:35,806 --> 00:31:39,810 They were like five deep. It was a big hole. 424 00:31:39,810 --> 00:31:42,161 There were little coffins in the grave, 425 00:31:42,161 --> 00:31:44,163 and the guys would all talk about them, 426 00:31:44,163 --> 00:31:46,382 and they would just say crack babies, 427 00:31:46,382 --> 00:31:48,297 even though who knows what they were there for. 428 00:31:48,297 --> 00:31:50,778 But that's the mentality they had. 429 00:31:50,778 --> 00:31:54,651 that those were, like, undesirables or whatever, 430 00:31:54,651 --> 00:31:57,263 that they didn't count or whatever. 431 00:31:57,263 --> 00:32:03,834 ♪♪ 432 00:32:03,834 --> 00:32:10,537 ♪♪ 433 00:32:10,537 --> 00:32:13,061 Crowley: When our mayor took office, he was elected 434 00:32:13,061 --> 00:32:14,976 because of his campaign 435 00:32:14,976 --> 00:32:17,674 on our city being a tale of two cities, 436 00:32:17,674 --> 00:32:19,415 the haves and the have-nots. 437 00:32:19,415 --> 00:32:21,200 And those who have not 438 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,855 are usually the ones who wind up being buried on Hart Island. 439 00:32:24,855 --> 00:32:30,426 ♪♪ 440 00:32:30,426 --> 00:32:34,169 The difficulty in government, especially when you're the mayor 441 00:32:34,169 --> 00:32:36,215 and you're managing a very large city, 442 00:32:36,215 --> 00:32:39,261 the priorities of the public take shape 443 00:32:39,261 --> 00:32:44,223 and become the most important issues you address. 444 00:32:44,223 --> 00:32:46,703 And not many people bring Hart Island 445 00:32:46,703 --> 00:32:49,271 to elected officials' attentions. 446 00:32:49,271 --> 00:32:58,672 ♪♪ 447 00:32:58,672 --> 00:33:04,112 It is out of sight and out of mind to so many New Yorkers. 448 00:33:04,112 --> 00:33:05,722 People just don't care that much 449 00:33:05,722 --> 00:33:09,639 unless they have a personal connection. 450 00:33:09,639 --> 00:33:14,557 It shouldn't be so removed from the rest of the city. 451 00:33:14,557 --> 00:33:18,561 We should know what happens after people die. 452 00:33:18,561 --> 00:33:22,391 We should be able to see that space. 453 00:33:22,391 --> 00:33:30,095 ♪♪ 454 00:33:30,095 --> 00:33:37,754 ♪♪ 455 00:33:37,754 --> 00:33:45,501 ♪♪ 456 00:33:45,501 --> 00:33:53,248 ♪♪ 457 00:33:53,248 --> 00:33:55,555 Levine: The fact that we're using inmates 458 00:33:55,555 --> 00:33:57,992 to maintain this active burial site 459 00:33:57,992 --> 00:34:00,299 where one million souls are buried, 460 00:34:00,299 --> 00:34:02,779 where so much of New York City history is buried, 461 00:34:02,779 --> 00:34:05,304 is -- is Dickensian. 462 00:34:05,304 --> 00:34:09,699 And it is a document of the inequality 463 00:34:09,699 --> 00:34:14,704 that has existed in this city for centuries. 464 00:34:14,704 --> 00:34:17,142 Dunn: I don't think the state is unique in this respect. 465 00:34:17,142 --> 00:34:19,666 If you're poor in this world or you're not powerful, 466 00:34:19,666 --> 00:34:22,625 you get forgotten pretty quickly. 467 00:34:22,625 --> 00:34:26,716 And Hart Island is exactly where our society and our country 468 00:34:26,716 --> 00:34:29,937 puts the people who are poor and forgotten. 469 00:34:29,937 --> 00:34:32,853 ♪♪ 470 00:34:32,853 --> 00:34:37,205 And you have, you know, a situation you couldn't make up 471 00:34:37,205 --> 00:34:39,686 in which you have the poor and forgotten people 472 00:34:39,686 --> 00:34:41,644 who are alive and are in jail 473 00:34:41,644 --> 00:34:44,560 who are bearing the poor and forgotten people who are dead. 474 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:51,350 ♪♪ 475 00:34:51,350 --> 00:34:58,096 ♪♪ 476 00:34:58,096 --> 00:35:04,928 ♪♪ 477 00:35:04,928 --> 00:35:07,453 [Ferrer speaking Spanish] 478 00:36:51,774 --> 00:36:54,908 Bernstein: The case of Ciro Ferrer, 479 00:36:54,908 --> 00:36:58,651 this man who came here from Havana, 480 00:36:58,651 --> 00:37:00,130 when I talked to his daughter, 481 00:37:00,130 --> 00:37:03,046 she said he was a -- he was a good father. 482 00:37:03,046 --> 00:37:05,048 He -- He really went to support them. 483 00:37:05,048 --> 00:37:07,964 They spoke. There were photographs sent back 484 00:37:07,964 --> 00:37:11,446 and then suddenly silence. 485 00:37:11,446 --> 00:37:15,145 He had been found wandering in the street 486 00:37:15,145 --> 00:37:19,280 near the apartment where he lived alone. 487 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,110 He had dementia. He was placed in a nursing home. 488 00:37:23,110 --> 00:37:26,635 He told a court evaluator 489 00:37:26,635 --> 00:37:30,987 that he had a wife and children in Cuba. 490 00:37:30,987 --> 00:37:34,817 And yet the court-appointed guardian, 491 00:37:34,817 --> 00:37:38,691 who was collecting $400 a month from his Social Security 492 00:37:38,691 --> 00:37:41,520 and giving the rest to the nursing home, 493 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,086 never contacted them. 494 00:37:43,086 --> 00:37:44,305 Man: [Through intercom] Hello? 495 00:37:44,305 --> 00:37:47,613 Hola. Español? 496 00:37:47,613 --> 00:37:48,657 Yes. 497 00:37:48,657 --> 00:37:51,269 Uh... [Speaking Spanish] 498 00:38:18,818 --> 00:38:20,167 Okay, no problem. 499 00:38:31,918 --> 00:38:34,573 [Women conversing in Spanish] 500 00:38:51,329 --> 00:38:53,679 Sí. 501 00:38:53,679 --> 00:38:55,594 [Both laugh] 502 00:38:55,594 --> 00:38:58,684 ♪♪ 503 00:39:06,213 --> 00:39:08,258 [Laughs] 504 00:40:01,442 --> 00:40:06,665 ♪♪ 505 00:40:06,665 --> 00:40:11,974 ♪♪ 506 00:40:11,974 --> 00:40:14,586 De Jesus: I was sitting one day 507 00:40:14,586 --> 00:40:17,240 with my friend in her living room, 508 00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:21,375 and we had started speaking about him again. 509 00:40:21,375 --> 00:40:24,639 And I was like, "Wow, my baby -- 510 00:40:24,639 --> 00:40:26,815 It's going to be 12 years." 511 00:40:26,815 --> 00:40:29,514 And she was like, 512 00:40:29,514 --> 00:40:32,821 "Where was it that -- that the city buried him again?" 513 00:40:32,821 --> 00:40:35,781 I'm like, "Honestly, I really don't know. 514 00:40:35,781 --> 00:40:40,481 The only thing that I know is Hart Island." 515 00:40:40,481 --> 00:40:44,485 I went back to the hospital where I gave birth, 516 00:40:44,485 --> 00:40:46,922 and they were like, "Yeah, 517 00:40:46,922 --> 00:40:53,712 but you have to communicate with the correctional facility." 518 00:40:53,712 --> 00:40:57,498 I called, and the lady that I spoke to, 519 00:40:57,498 --> 00:41:03,765 she was like, "Yes," that the baby was there. 520 00:41:03,765 --> 00:41:07,160 [Sniffing sharply] 521 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:11,294 You have to sit there and wait for police officers 522 00:41:11,294 --> 00:41:15,124 to actually open the gate and let you in. 523 00:41:15,124 --> 00:41:17,649 They actually make you sign papers 524 00:41:17,649 --> 00:41:20,042 before you even get on the ferry. 525 00:41:23,481 --> 00:41:26,222 I'm like, okay. 526 00:41:26,222 --> 00:41:29,138 What can I do if the Department of Corrections, 527 00:41:29,138 --> 00:41:32,446 they gonna treat us like if we visiting a jail? 528 00:41:32,446 --> 00:41:35,057 ♪♪ 529 00:41:35,057 --> 00:41:38,191 But once the captain got close to us 530 00:41:38,191 --> 00:41:42,761 and asked me, "Did anybody notify you?" 531 00:41:42,761 --> 00:41:46,591 I'm like, "Notify me about what?" 532 00:41:46,591 --> 00:41:49,898 And that's when he gave me the news, 533 00:41:49,898 --> 00:41:51,813 "We can't find your child here." 534 00:41:51,813 --> 00:41:56,775 I'm like -- I... just broke down right there. 535 00:41:56,775 --> 00:42:02,041 My daughter -- My oldest daughter, she broke down crying. 536 00:42:02,041 --> 00:42:08,134 ♪♪ 537 00:42:08,134 --> 00:42:14,270 ♪♪ 538 00:42:14,270 --> 00:42:17,143 [Children chattering in distance] 539 00:42:17,143 --> 00:42:19,580 ♪♪ 540 00:42:19,580 --> 00:42:22,322 "If he's not there, where he at, Mommy?" 541 00:42:22,322 --> 00:42:25,499 ♪♪ 542 00:42:25,499 --> 00:42:27,936 Every day, they ask. 543 00:42:27,936 --> 00:42:29,329 "Did you speak to the lawyer? 544 00:42:29,329 --> 00:42:32,419 Did -- Did they found Anthony?" 545 00:42:32,419 --> 00:42:35,640 ♪♪ 546 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,252 "Are we gonna finally go visit Anthony?" 547 00:42:39,252 --> 00:42:42,255 I'm like, "No, we -- we have to sit down and wait. 548 00:42:42,255 --> 00:42:43,909 It's out of my hands now. 549 00:42:43,909 --> 00:42:48,827 Now we just have to wait and see where is Anthony at." 550 00:42:48,827 --> 00:42:54,833 ♪♪ 551 00:42:54,833 --> 00:42:57,139 Every time I call, there's different people 552 00:42:57,139 --> 00:43:00,534 that answer the phone. 553 00:43:00,534 --> 00:43:04,059 All they keep telling me is that there's a check-in 554 00:43:04,059 --> 00:43:07,454 when they brought my baby in, but there's no check-out. 555 00:43:07,454 --> 00:43:15,767 ♪♪ 556 00:43:15,767 --> 00:43:24,079 ♪♪ 557 00:43:24,079 --> 00:43:28,083 Where he at? What they did to his body? 558 00:43:28,083 --> 00:43:32,610 ♪♪ 559 00:43:32,610 --> 00:43:38,137 You know, how can the city just lose a tiny body? 560 00:43:38,137 --> 00:43:42,620 ♪♪ 561 00:43:42,620 --> 00:43:45,797 How is that it's not possible? 562 00:43:45,797 --> 00:43:53,456 ♪♪ 563 00:43:53,456 --> 00:44:01,160 ♪♪ 564 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:08,776 ♪♪ 565 00:44:08,776 --> 00:44:16,479 ♪♪ 566 00:44:16,479 --> 00:44:19,613 Rockwell: "Long ago, it was said that one half of the world 567 00:44:19,613 --> 00:44:22,790 does not know how the other half lives. 568 00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:24,574 That was true then. 569 00:44:24,574 --> 00:44:27,534 It did not know because it did not care." 570 00:44:27,534 --> 00:44:30,842 ♪♪ 571 00:44:30,842 --> 00:44:33,801 "The half that was on top cared little for the struggles 572 00:44:33,801 --> 00:44:38,066 and less for the fate of those who were underneath, 573 00:44:38,066 --> 00:44:40,025 so long as it was able to hold them there 574 00:44:40,025 --> 00:44:42,418 and keep its own seat." 575 00:44:42,418 --> 00:44:45,813 ♪♪ 576 00:44:45,813 --> 00:44:49,817 "In New York, the youngest of the world's great cities, 577 00:44:49,817 --> 00:44:52,733 that time came later than elsewhere." 578 00:44:52,733 --> 00:44:58,696 ♪♪ 579 00:44:58,696 --> 00:45:02,525 Yochelson: Riis was a Danish immigrant who came to America 580 00:45:02,525 --> 00:45:05,050 at the age of 20 in 1870, 581 00:45:05,050 --> 00:45:07,443 spent 5 years as a homeless person, 582 00:45:07,443 --> 00:45:12,492 and then worked as a newspaper reporter for 23 years 583 00:45:12,492 --> 00:45:15,016 covering the slums. 584 00:45:15,016 --> 00:45:23,982 ♪♪ 585 00:45:23,982 --> 00:45:29,683 He was immersing himself in the worst, 586 00:45:29,683 --> 00:45:33,252 most frightening, demoralizing part 587 00:45:33,252 --> 00:45:36,385 of New York City's life. 588 00:45:36,385 --> 00:45:41,260 And he had the brilliant idea of using photographs 589 00:45:41,260 --> 00:45:45,264 to give people an image that went with his words. 590 00:45:45,264 --> 00:45:46,874 So this is really the beginning 591 00:45:46,874 --> 00:45:49,747 of what we would understand as photojournalism. 592 00:45:49,747 --> 00:45:51,836 ♪♪ 593 00:45:51,836 --> 00:45:54,273 Czitrom: Riis had been a police reporter for many years 594 00:45:54,273 --> 00:45:56,057 before he took photographs. 595 00:45:56,057 --> 00:45:57,755 And as a police reporter, 596 00:45:57,755 --> 00:46:00,670 he was assigned to go with the NYPD 597 00:46:00,670 --> 00:46:03,325 to do all these things that cops had to do in those days. 598 00:46:03,325 --> 00:46:05,545 It was not so much about fighting crime 599 00:46:05,545 --> 00:46:10,115 as it was being a kind of social service agency for the city. 600 00:46:10,115 --> 00:46:14,293 ♪♪ 601 00:46:14,293 --> 00:46:18,645 Cops had to fish out dead bodies from the rivers and the harbors. 602 00:46:18,645 --> 00:46:20,690 Cops had to help wash children. 603 00:46:20,690 --> 00:46:23,781 Cops were helping to give vaccinations in the tenements. 604 00:46:23,781 --> 00:46:26,827 So Riis, by reporting on the police, 605 00:46:26,827 --> 00:46:30,439 got a tremendous education in the underside of New York life. 606 00:46:30,439 --> 00:46:32,354 Now, the title of his most famous book, 607 00:46:32,354 --> 00:46:35,793 "How the Other Half Lives," is actually a kind of ironic joke. 608 00:46:35,793 --> 00:46:37,707 A more accurate title would have been 609 00:46:37,707 --> 00:46:42,016 "How the Other 3/4 Lives." 610 00:46:42,016 --> 00:46:45,803 Yochelson: "How the Other Half Lives" was a tour of the slums 611 00:46:45,803 --> 00:46:50,372 in which he used everything he knew about this neighborhood 612 00:46:50,372 --> 00:46:53,375 that he'd spent over 10 years reporting on 613 00:46:53,375 --> 00:46:56,074 and describing in very colorful language 614 00:46:56,074 --> 00:46:58,250 this way of life unknown to his audience, 615 00:46:58,250 --> 00:47:00,905 which was essentially a middle-class audience. 616 00:47:00,905 --> 00:47:04,778 ♪♪ 617 00:47:04,778 --> 00:47:09,174 This was not really someone very concerned with composing images, 618 00:47:09,174 --> 00:47:13,047 in large part because of the very primitive camera 619 00:47:13,047 --> 00:47:14,788 that he was using, 620 00:47:14,788 --> 00:47:17,399 where he would come into a crowded lodging house 621 00:47:17,399 --> 00:47:22,013 when people were sleeping and set off a gun, actually, 622 00:47:22,013 --> 00:47:24,015 literally a gun with the flash powder 623 00:47:24,015 --> 00:47:27,627 and create a big boom and wake people up and capture them. 624 00:47:27,627 --> 00:47:33,067 ♪♪ 625 00:47:33,067 --> 00:47:35,722 I mean, it's not at all respectful of his subjects 626 00:47:35,722 --> 00:47:37,028 in the pictures, 627 00:47:37,028 --> 00:47:39,726 and that's exactly what they convey, 628 00:47:39,726 --> 00:47:42,990 which is the indignity of their lives. 629 00:47:42,990 --> 00:47:47,516 ♪♪ 630 00:47:47,516 --> 00:47:49,475 This tour really ends at Hart Island 631 00:47:49,475 --> 00:47:52,782 because it's a really critical subject for his story. 632 00:47:52,782 --> 00:47:55,873 It's the climax of his story. 633 00:47:55,873 --> 00:47:58,614 In a chapter called "The Common Herd," 634 00:47:58,614 --> 00:48:01,748 he describes the end of their lives in this way. 635 00:48:01,748 --> 00:48:04,359 ♪♪ 636 00:48:04,359 --> 00:48:07,145 "One free excursion awaits young and old, 637 00:48:07,145 --> 00:48:10,104 whom bitter poverty has denied the poor privilege 638 00:48:10,104 --> 00:48:12,019 of the choice of the home in death 639 00:48:12,019 --> 00:48:13,847 they were denied in life. 640 00:48:13,847 --> 00:48:17,546 The ride up the sound to the potter's field, 641 00:48:17,546 --> 00:48:22,203 charitably styled the city cemetery. 642 00:48:22,203 --> 00:48:25,815 But even there, they do not escape their fate. 643 00:48:25,815 --> 00:48:28,862 In the common trench of the poor burying ground, 644 00:48:28,862 --> 00:48:33,519 they lay packed three stories deep shoulder to shoulder, 645 00:48:33,519 --> 00:48:36,826 crowded in death as they were in life." 646 00:48:36,826 --> 00:48:44,399 ♪♪ 647 00:48:44,399 --> 00:48:51,929 ♪♪ 648 00:48:51,929 --> 00:48:56,846 Woman: [In distance] To the Creator, to the initiator of life, 649 00:48:56,846 --> 00:49:00,285 Father, we first reverence and hallow Your name. 650 00:49:00,285 --> 00:49:03,331 ♪♪ 651 00:49:03,331 --> 00:49:06,204 Lord, we're here this day to give honor 652 00:49:06,204 --> 00:49:09,903 and to commemorate all of those women and men 653 00:49:09,903 --> 00:49:14,342 who sacrificed their lives so that we can have life, 654 00:49:14,342 --> 00:49:18,694 so that we can walk around this nation, this planet, 655 00:49:18,694 --> 00:49:22,524 in hope, so that we could have freedom. 656 00:49:22,524 --> 00:49:25,310 We honor them this day. Amen. 657 00:49:25,310 --> 00:49:27,094 -Amen. -Amen. 658 00:49:27,094 --> 00:49:29,183 [Applause] 659 00:49:29,183 --> 00:49:31,751 ♪♪ 660 00:49:31,751 --> 00:49:36,060 Sweat: There's a legend about people that grow up in Brooklyn, 661 00:49:36,060 --> 00:49:39,628 that we're very strong stock. 662 00:49:39,628 --> 00:49:42,196 We're very straightforward, 663 00:49:42,196 --> 00:49:47,158 and we're people that have resources. 664 00:49:47,158 --> 00:49:51,466 My resource has always been my family. 665 00:49:51,466 --> 00:49:53,120 As I grew up, I went through 666 00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:57,168 all of the racial discriminatory situations 667 00:49:57,168 --> 00:50:02,086 that the world knows of today that happened in America. 668 00:50:02,086 --> 00:50:08,527 I have learned the humiliation of being that man. 669 00:50:08,527 --> 00:50:15,664 ♪♪ 670 00:50:15,664 --> 00:50:19,842 The Civil War freed the slaves. 671 00:50:19,842 --> 00:50:23,803 Vietnam was my civil war. 672 00:50:23,803 --> 00:50:26,849 ♪♪ 673 00:50:26,849 --> 00:50:32,072 It's the first place I ever felt whole as a man. 674 00:50:32,072 --> 00:50:34,335 It's the first place in my life 675 00:50:34,335 --> 00:50:40,211 that I ever met a man of my opposite color 676 00:50:40,211 --> 00:50:46,782 that was true to heart and soul about life and death with me. 677 00:50:46,782 --> 00:50:51,439 ♪♪ 678 00:50:51,439 --> 00:50:53,702 His name was Richard. 679 00:50:53,702 --> 00:50:58,838 He's gone and been gone since he was 19 years old. 680 00:50:58,838 --> 00:51:02,102 Was our machine gunner. 681 00:51:02,102 --> 00:51:06,454 He is that boy from Arkansas 682 00:51:06,454 --> 00:51:11,720 who taught me of white and black love. 683 00:51:11,720 --> 00:51:17,552 Man becomes family with man with war. 684 00:51:17,552 --> 00:51:20,294 Comradeship, we call it. 685 00:51:20,294 --> 00:51:28,911 ♪♪ 686 00:51:28,911 --> 00:51:36,223 During my trial of warriorship, 687 00:51:36,223 --> 00:51:40,358 my wife was 17 years old 688 00:51:40,358 --> 00:51:44,318 and pregnant with my second pregnancy. 689 00:51:44,318 --> 00:51:49,193 ♪♪ 690 00:51:49,193 --> 00:51:55,503 She gave birth in St. Albans Naval Hospital. 691 00:51:55,503 --> 00:52:00,552 And when I got back to the United States of America, 692 00:52:00,552 --> 00:52:06,819 I had no knowledge how to handle any of this type of a business. 693 00:52:06,819 --> 00:52:09,300 ♪♪ 694 00:52:09,300 --> 00:52:13,521 So when it was exposed to me that it was twins, 695 00:52:13,521 --> 00:52:17,873 I didn't even question where the other one was 696 00:52:17,873 --> 00:52:20,441 when they only showed me one. 697 00:52:20,441 --> 00:52:26,012 ♪♪ 698 00:52:26,012 --> 00:52:29,972 Now, that's a pivotal point 699 00:52:29,972 --> 00:52:34,063 because she's never spoken to me about it. 700 00:52:34,063 --> 00:52:38,067 That's because of our immaturity, 701 00:52:38,067 --> 00:52:40,983 our guilt with the situation. 702 00:52:40,983 --> 00:52:42,724 Everyone in the world knows 703 00:52:42,724 --> 00:52:46,815 no one wants to bury their family on a potter's field. 704 00:52:46,815 --> 00:52:49,296 Who should have to go there? 705 00:52:49,296 --> 00:52:54,823 ♪♪ 706 00:52:54,823 --> 00:53:00,394 ♪♪ 707 00:53:00,394 --> 00:53:02,396 [Children chattering in distance] 708 00:53:02,396 --> 00:53:05,094 ♪♪ 709 00:53:05,094 --> 00:53:07,880 Bradshaw: I have a family video, 710 00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,404 an old one, and he's in it. 711 00:53:10,404 --> 00:53:12,450 ♪♪ 712 00:53:12,450 --> 00:53:14,103 And sometimes I'll just replay that, 713 00:53:14,103 --> 00:53:18,282 just to know that he did care at any time. 714 00:53:18,282 --> 00:53:22,024 ♪♪ 715 00:53:22,024 --> 00:53:26,377 You know, the things that I remember about him, 716 00:53:26,377 --> 00:53:29,293 the majority was good things. 717 00:53:29,293 --> 00:53:32,034 ♪♪ 718 00:53:32,034 --> 00:53:33,862 The majority that I remember from him 719 00:53:33,862 --> 00:53:40,782 was that he tried to be... around and there and... 720 00:53:40,782 --> 00:53:44,308 you know, a good of a person as he could. 721 00:53:44,308 --> 00:53:46,962 But drugs and alcohol just took over. 722 00:53:52,141 --> 00:53:54,622 She said, "Do you think he'd ever come around?" 723 00:53:54,622 --> 00:53:56,798 I said, "I don't know, Kim. I don't know." 724 00:53:56,798 --> 00:53:59,497 I said, "He's always welcome as long as he's straight. 725 00:53:59,497 --> 00:54:02,935 If he's straight, he's more than welcome." 726 00:54:02,935 --> 00:54:07,287 [Indistinct conversations in distance] 727 00:54:07,287 --> 00:54:09,333 Then she got to the point where she's 16. 728 00:54:09,333 --> 00:54:12,031 "I want to see my daddy. I really want to see him. 729 00:54:12,031 --> 00:54:15,948 Don't you think you can find him?" 730 00:54:15,948 --> 00:54:18,037 I said, "You know what, Kim? I'll do my best. 731 00:54:18,037 --> 00:54:20,692 I'll try to find him." 732 00:54:20,692 --> 00:54:23,042 So I called the bars where he hung out 733 00:54:23,042 --> 00:54:24,478 and his friends hung out. 734 00:54:24,478 --> 00:54:28,526 He had one friend. His name was Pete Torres. 735 00:54:28,526 --> 00:54:30,310 I left my phone number with the bartender, 736 00:54:30,310 --> 00:54:32,878 and I said, "Listen, if Pete comes in or Bruce comes in 737 00:54:32,878 --> 00:54:34,967 or any one of his friends come in, have him call me, 738 00:54:34,967 --> 00:54:37,099 'cause Kim really, really wants to see him. 739 00:54:37,099 --> 00:54:39,450 She wants to see her daddy." 740 00:54:39,450 --> 00:54:41,887 ♪♪ 741 00:54:54,378 --> 00:54:57,729 We're on Seaside Heights when we met Bruce. 742 00:54:57,729 --> 00:55:00,558 He was happy to see -- see Kimberly. 743 00:55:00,558 --> 00:55:04,518 He's happy to see -- see me. 744 00:55:04,518 --> 00:55:06,520 He wore long sleeves, 745 00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:10,698 and she knew he was doing drugs. 746 00:55:10,698 --> 00:55:13,092 She could tell that. 747 00:55:13,092 --> 00:55:15,181 But they had -- they had a really good time. 748 00:55:15,181 --> 00:55:17,270 He won a TV set for her. 749 00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:20,882 And she was, like, ecstatic and said, "Oh, Daddy, 750 00:55:20,882 --> 00:55:23,189 make sure you call me again. I want to see you again. 751 00:55:23,189 --> 00:55:24,712 This is -- You know, this is good 752 00:55:24,712 --> 00:55:27,846 that we could get together." 753 00:55:27,846 --> 00:55:29,891 "I will always have him in my life now. 754 00:55:29,891 --> 00:55:32,416 I have a connection to him. I can call this cellphone. 755 00:55:32,416 --> 00:55:35,636 And, you know, whether --" It didn't matter to me 756 00:55:35,636 --> 00:55:38,987 that he was a drug addict. I just wanted him in my life. 757 00:55:38,987 --> 00:55:43,775 So the fact that it was disconnected the next day... 758 00:55:43,775 --> 00:55:45,690 broke my heart. 759 00:55:47,692 --> 00:55:49,171 Hanson: I think he always wanted 760 00:55:49,171 --> 00:55:51,478 to have some kind of relationship with Kim. 761 00:55:51,478 --> 00:55:54,742 He didn't want to lose it, but he couldn't control himself. 762 00:55:57,266 --> 00:55:59,921 He had a -- He had the devil in him when he was born, 763 00:55:59,921 --> 00:56:03,664 I guess, and it was hard to fight it. 764 00:56:07,146 --> 00:56:08,800 And Kim always wanted closure. 765 00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:10,932 She always wanted -- She always said to me, 766 00:56:10,932 --> 00:56:13,848 from, I guess, 16 all the way until she is now, 767 00:56:13,848 --> 00:56:15,284 that she said, "I know, 768 00:56:15,284 --> 00:56:17,504 I know deep down inside, I'll always talk to him. 769 00:56:17,504 --> 00:56:20,725 I'll always be able to tell him my piece of this story." 770 00:56:24,032 --> 00:56:25,947 And one day, we get a phone call, 771 00:56:25,947 --> 00:56:29,690 and the New York Times are calling us up 772 00:56:29,690 --> 00:56:32,127 and this woman, Nina Bernstein. 773 00:56:32,127 --> 00:56:34,303 And Nina said to me, 774 00:56:34,303 --> 00:56:37,045 "Do you know -- Are you related to Bruce Hanson?" 775 00:56:37,045 --> 00:56:39,308 I said, "Yeah, that's my ex-husband." 776 00:56:39,308 --> 00:56:42,137 And she said, "Well, I have to tell you something." 777 00:56:45,924 --> 00:56:47,665 Bernstein: It was really shocking to me 778 00:56:47,665 --> 00:56:51,364 to discover that New York state law, 779 00:56:51,364 --> 00:56:55,760 a law dating back to the 19th century, 780 00:56:55,760 --> 00:57:01,156 required the city to offer the bodies of unclaimed dead 781 00:57:01,156 --> 00:57:04,464 to medical schools for dissection. 782 00:57:07,554 --> 00:57:10,688 ♪♪ 783 00:57:10,688 --> 00:57:14,996 I learned that there were 22 cadavers 784 00:57:14,996 --> 00:57:19,784 that were in cold storage at Albert Einstein Medical School. 785 00:57:19,784 --> 00:57:22,961 ♪♪ 786 00:57:22,961 --> 00:57:25,137 You know, basically, the-- these cadavers 787 00:57:25,137 --> 00:57:28,183 are just lent to the medical schools. 788 00:57:28,183 --> 00:57:32,187 They are supposed to then be returned to the city 789 00:57:32,187 --> 00:57:35,539 for what the city considers proper burial, 790 00:57:35,539 --> 00:57:37,976 which is a Hart Island trench. 791 00:57:37,976 --> 00:57:41,806 ♪♪ 792 00:57:41,806 --> 00:57:46,767 I tried very hard to learn the names of these cadavers 793 00:57:46,767 --> 00:57:51,859 because I wanted to reclaim their stories. 794 00:57:51,859 --> 00:57:57,430 One of the last of the 22 that day was Bruce Hanson. 795 00:57:57,430 --> 00:57:59,476 ♪♪ 796 00:57:59,476 --> 00:58:04,481 Even though his body had been in cold storage for three years, 797 00:58:04,481 --> 00:58:08,180 it had been on lists sent back and forth 798 00:58:08,180 --> 00:58:11,270 between the medical school and the medical examiner's office. 799 00:58:11,270 --> 00:58:15,143 The medical examiner's office had not done the first thing 800 00:58:15,143 --> 00:58:18,495 in terms of trying to find someone 801 00:58:18,495 --> 00:58:21,367 who knew Bruce Hanson and would care. 802 00:58:21,367 --> 00:58:23,935 And it was easy. 803 00:58:23,935 --> 00:58:30,898 ♪♪ 804 00:58:30,898 --> 00:58:34,989 Their job is to be the last 805 00:58:34,989 --> 00:58:41,126 and most important source of information about this person. 806 00:58:41,126 --> 00:58:45,260 ♪♪ 807 00:58:45,260 --> 00:58:47,088 They had his name. 808 00:58:47,088 --> 00:58:50,614 They had his name when he first arrived to the morgue. 809 00:58:50,614 --> 00:58:53,051 They had his name when they put him on a list 810 00:58:53,051 --> 00:58:58,186 to offer as a cadaver for dissection at medical school. 811 00:58:58,186 --> 00:59:00,711 ♪♪ 812 00:59:00,711 --> 00:59:04,323 When I had the name and I did the first basic search, 813 00:59:04,323 --> 00:59:06,194 it -- it came up immediately, 814 00:59:06,194 --> 00:59:10,459 his ex-wife in New Jersey. 815 00:59:10,459 --> 00:59:13,506 One phone call, and I had her. 816 00:59:13,506 --> 00:59:15,247 One phone call, and I was -- 817 00:59:15,247 --> 00:59:18,119 She was carrying the phone to her daughter. 818 00:59:18,119 --> 00:59:21,209 ♪♪ 819 00:59:21,209 --> 00:59:23,908 Hanson: Nobody called us. I never changed my last name. 820 00:59:23,908 --> 00:59:27,085 It's still Hanson. I live in the same state as New Jersey. 821 00:59:27,085 --> 00:59:30,305 Nina had no problem calling me up to find out. 822 00:59:30,305 --> 00:59:37,530 ♪♪ 823 00:59:37,530 --> 00:59:39,401 He shouldn't have ended up in there. 824 00:59:39,401 --> 00:59:41,490 They shouldn't allow that. 825 00:59:41,490 --> 00:59:43,710 ♪♪ 826 00:59:43,710 --> 00:59:47,192 And for three years being in Albert Einstein hospital, 827 00:59:47,192 --> 00:59:51,762 just...you know, going through their medical procedures 828 00:59:51,762 --> 00:59:55,026 for three years, putting him in a cold box, 829 00:59:55,026 --> 00:59:56,941 pulling him out, cutting him up, putting -- 830 00:59:56,941 --> 00:59:59,160 It's awful. It's -- 831 00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:02,555 It's awful. 832 01:00:02,555 --> 01:00:04,513 Bradshaw: I'm angry at how it happened. 833 01:00:04,513 --> 01:00:07,647 I'm angry with the medical examiner, 834 01:00:07,647 --> 01:00:09,780 the hospital, 835 01:00:09,780 --> 01:00:12,217 the people, you know, that still won't 836 01:00:12,217 --> 01:00:13,914 give me information on him. 837 01:00:13,914 --> 01:00:15,394 You know, it's my father. 838 01:00:15,394 --> 01:00:18,353 I should have a right to know how he died. 839 01:00:18,353 --> 01:00:20,529 I'm never going to find out. 840 01:00:20,529 --> 01:00:26,187 ♪♪ 841 01:00:26,187 --> 01:00:31,932 ♪♪ 842 01:00:31,932 --> 01:00:34,413 The medical examiner's office calling 843 01:00:34,413 --> 01:00:37,068 to find out what you know, 844 01:00:37,068 --> 01:00:39,157 the hospital not giving -- giving you a hard time 845 01:00:39,157 --> 01:00:40,767 about getting the records. 846 01:00:40,767 --> 01:00:43,596 Everybody's hiding something. 847 01:00:43,596 --> 01:00:46,425 ♪♪ 848 01:00:46,425 --> 01:00:48,949 So the hospital's working with the medical examiner, 849 01:00:48,949 --> 01:00:51,125 which is working with Hart Island. 850 01:00:51,125 --> 01:00:53,998 You know, they obviously don't want people to know 851 01:00:53,998 --> 01:00:55,608 most of the mistakes that they made 852 01:00:55,608 --> 01:00:59,046 or things that they just didn't care about. 853 01:00:59,046 --> 01:01:01,658 Think about all those bums on the street. 854 01:01:01,658 --> 01:01:05,226 You think they contacted every single person's family? 855 01:01:05,226 --> 01:01:09,491 They throw them probably in that island. 856 01:01:09,491 --> 01:01:11,755 [Bell clanging] 857 01:01:11,755 --> 01:01:18,109 ♪♪ 858 01:01:18,109 --> 01:01:20,285 Rockwell: "The wind rises in from the sound 859 01:01:20,285 --> 01:01:23,767 carrying the clang of the bell buoy from nearby City Island, 860 01:01:23,767 --> 01:01:27,074 tolling its fitful warning. 861 01:01:27,074 --> 01:01:30,643 All around is desolate and sad, 862 01:01:30,643 --> 01:01:33,254 no kind hand to decorate these graves 863 01:01:33,254 --> 01:01:36,475 with trophies of love and remembrance. 864 01:01:36,475 --> 01:01:39,086 Not even a headstone to show where is interred 865 01:01:39,086 --> 01:01:41,349 what was once a human being." 866 01:01:41,349 --> 01:01:44,309 ♪♪ 867 01:01:44,309 --> 01:01:48,139 "No one that sleeps there had a dollar to their name in life, 868 01:01:48,139 --> 01:01:51,664 few a good word said for them after death. 869 01:01:51,664 --> 01:01:54,319 The bodies interred here are as utterly forgotten 870 01:01:54,319 --> 01:01:59,106 and wiped away as if they never existed. 871 01:01:59,106 --> 01:02:01,892 And yet all those festering, rotting corpses 872 01:02:01,892 --> 01:02:05,765 which lie below here once had hopes, ambitions, 873 01:02:05,765 --> 01:02:07,854 likes and dislikes, 874 01:02:07,854 --> 01:02:12,511 tastes, sympathies like ourselves. 875 01:02:12,511 --> 01:02:18,212 But all that is not even now a remembrance." 876 01:02:18,212 --> 01:02:20,214 [Bell clangs] 877 01:02:20,214 --> 01:02:29,484 ♪♪ 878 01:02:29,484 --> 01:02:31,356 Hunt: You can't help but thinking 879 01:02:31,356 --> 01:02:35,664 when you look into an empty mass grave 880 01:02:35,664 --> 01:02:38,842 about who's going to be buried there 881 01:02:38,842 --> 01:02:42,062 and also about your own mortality. 882 01:02:42,062 --> 01:02:45,544 ♪♪ 883 01:02:45,544 --> 01:02:49,330 Human beings know that their lives are limited 884 01:02:49,330 --> 01:02:52,594 and that the reconciliation of that 885 01:02:52,594 --> 01:02:54,727 is the shaping of a community, 886 01:02:54,727 --> 01:02:57,469 feeling that you're a member of that community 887 01:02:57,469 --> 01:03:02,822 and that your life is extended through that community 888 01:03:02,822 --> 01:03:05,433 beyond your own lifetime. 889 01:03:05,433 --> 01:03:15,052 ♪♪ 890 01:03:15,052 --> 01:03:16,531 And that's, of course, the first thing 891 01:03:16,531 --> 01:03:18,490 that I saw going to Hart Island, 892 01:03:18,490 --> 01:03:21,145 was that the inmates, when they were burying the dead, 893 01:03:21,145 --> 01:03:24,539 they're saying the prayers to themselves. 894 01:03:24,539 --> 01:03:28,065 There's a hopefulness to that, that the -- that the people 895 01:03:28,065 --> 01:03:30,589 whose rights are largely taken away, 896 01:03:30,589 --> 01:03:33,418 they still know how to commemorate the dead. 897 01:03:33,418 --> 01:03:36,116 ♪♪ 898 01:03:36,116 --> 01:03:37,944 So we know how to do this stuff 899 01:03:37,944 --> 01:03:40,729 because it's -- it's basic to who we are. 900 01:03:40,729 --> 01:03:44,298 And the reason we perform those rituals 901 01:03:44,298 --> 01:03:47,954 is because we all fear that ourlives might not matter, 902 01:03:47,954 --> 01:03:50,739 that people will forget us. 903 01:03:50,739 --> 01:03:57,137 ♪♪ 904 01:03:57,137 --> 01:04:00,184 The indifference that exists 905 01:04:00,184 --> 01:04:03,883 comes out of enough people feeling 906 01:04:03,883 --> 01:04:07,800 that, "Oh, this couldn't happen to me." 907 01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:10,890 And what I've tried to show 908 01:04:10,890 --> 01:04:14,589 is, in fact, it happens to everyone. 909 01:04:14,589 --> 01:04:18,506 ♪♪ 910 01:04:18,506 --> 01:04:21,945 All human remains in New York City, 911 01:04:21,945 --> 01:04:25,949 if they are not claimed by family, 912 01:04:25,949 --> 01:04:29,996 must be buried on Hart Island. That's the only option. 913 01:04:29,996 --> 01:04:34,479 All human remains go to Hart Island. 914 01:04:34,479 --> 01:04:38,787 Still, not everyone is accounted for. 915 01:04:38,787 --> 01:04:41,834 So then what happens? We don't know. 916 01:04:41,834 --> 01:04:50,451 ♪♪ 917 01:04:50,451 --> 01:04:59,112 ♪♪ 918 01:04:59,112 --> 01:05:07,773 ♪♪ 919 01:05:07,773 --> 01:05:10,515 De Jesus: New York City is just for vacation. 920 01:05:10,515 --> 01:05:15,389 New York City is just to come and have fun. 921 01:05:15,389 --> 01:05:20,612 New York City is not a place to actually be living in. 922 01:05:20,612 --> 01:05:27,314 ♪♪ 923 01:05:27,314 --> 01:05:29,926 It's nothing. 924 01:05:29,926 --> 01:05:38,891 ♪♪ 925 01:05:38,891 --> 01:05:40,806 Flanzig: Hey, Katrina. So, I wanted to bring you in today 926 01:05:40,806 --> 01:05:43,200 and talk a little bit about where we are with the case, 927 01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:45,680 and the position and arguments the City's making 928 01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:48,379 and the fight that I'm having with the city, which continues. 929 01:05:48,379 --> 01:05:50,511 And I told them what you and I have talked about before. 930 01:05:50,511 --> 01:05:52,644 Like, if you tell us where the baby is, 931 01:05:52,644 --> 01:05:54,994 we'll drop the lawsuit today. That's what this is all about. 932 01:05:54,994 --> 01:05:56,561 That's why we're trying to find out. 933 01:05:56,561 --> 01:05:58,084 They don't believe us. I think it's about money. 934 01:05:58,084 --> 01:06:01,522 It's not. It's about a search for the truth. 935 01:06:01,522 --> 01:06:04,438 One of the issues for the city here, Katrina, is 936 01:06:04,438 --> 01:06:07,702 if we establish here that they don't know, 937 01:06:07,702 --> 01:06:10,314 there are other cases like yours that are out there pending, 938 01:06:10,314 --> 01:06:11,706 and they don't want to make bad law. 939 01:06:11,706 --> 01:06:13,491 They don't want to make bad precedent. 940 01:06:13,491 --> 01:06:16,189 So the further they could push us back and slow us down, 941 01:06:16,189 --> 01:06:19,801 the latter that those bad things will happen to the city. 942 01:06:19,801 --> 01:06:23,501 So part of their delay is to not let this case come to trial, 943 01:06:23,501 --> 01:06:24,850 because there are other cases 944 01:06:24,850 --> 01:06:27,505 that are going to follow shortly behind. 945 01:06:27,505 --> 01:06:31,900 Yeah, but I feel that they really ain't doing much 946 01:06:31,900 --> 01:06:34,425 because all they thinking is about the money. 947 01:06:34,425 --> 01:06:38,037 Yeah.And honestly, like I said, 948 01:06:38,037 --> 01:06:39,560 I'm not doing this for money. 949 01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:43,651 I want my son back. That's it. 950 01:06:43,651 --> 01:06:52,225 ♪♪ 951 01:06:52,225 --> 01:06:54,619 Flanzig: What we know right now from the records that we have 952 01:06:54,619 --> 01:06:56,577 is that autopsy was performed. 953 01:06:56,577 --> 01:07:00,625 The body at some point was at the morgue. 954 01:07:00,625 --> 01:07:03,019 We do have some indication on one of the records 955 01:07:03,019 --> 01:07:05,586 that the body was released for transport. 956 01:07:05,586 --> 01:07:07,980 At this point, we don't know if it was transport 957 01:07:07,980 --> 01:07:10,765 to some type of medical facility for research. 958 01:07:10,765 --> 01:07:13,507 We don't know where that baby was released to. 959 01:07:13,507 --> 01:07:15,640 We know where the baby was supposed to be released to, 960 01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:18,077 and that's to Hart Island. 961 01:07:18,077 --> 01:07:21,037 ♪♪ 962 01:07:21,037 --> 01:07:23,039 Any case that I'm involved in with the city of New York 963 01:07:23,039 --> 01:07:27,434 is always going to take me years. 964 01:07:27,434 --> 01:07:29,001 Getting records out of the city of New York 965 01:07:29,001 --> 01:07:31,395 requires motion after motion after motion 966 01:07:31,395 --> 01:07:34,137 for a judge to compel them to respond. 967 01:07:34,137 --> 01:07:35,790 They're more concerned with security issues 968 01:07:35,790 --> 01:07:37,749 and welfare issues and housing issues 969 01:07:37,749 --> 01:07:39,707 and all the things that make this city 970 01:07:39,707 --> 01:07:44,147 a unique and crazy place. 971 01:07:44,147 --> 01:07:47,628 So most likely, I won't -- No matter how much we fight, 972 01:07:47,628 --> 01:07:50,414 we ain't gonna never have an answer.I can never guarantee you 973 01:07:50,414 --> 01:07:51,937 that I'm gonna give you an answer to that question. 974 01:07:51,937 --> 01:07:53,634 And I know that's the most important thing to you, 975 01:07:53,634 --> 01:07:55,419 and that's been the focus of my case, 976 01:07:55,419 --> 01:07:58,030 has always been about getting you those answers. 977 01:07:58,030 --> 01:08:00,511 [Sighs] 978 01:08:02,556 --> 01:08:05,646 Okay. [Sniffles] 979 01:08:05,646 --> 01:08:10,086 Well, I guess we gonna keep fighting, then. 980 01:08:10,086 --> 01:08:14,133 I need answers. 981 01:08:14,133 --> 01:08:22,010 ♪♪ 982 01:08:22,010 --> 01:08:26,014 De Jesus: I've been in New York since I was 15. 983 01:08:26,014 --> 01:08:30,367 And I was never a fan to New York. 984 01:08:30,367 --> 01:08:34,371 I came out here because I was mandated to come over here 985 01:08:34,371 --> 01:08:36,634 with my stepmother. 986 01:08:36,634 --> 01:08:40,116 But she ended up leaving me, so I've been by myself 987 01:08:40,116 --> 01:08:42,553 since I was 15 out here. 988 01:08:46,470 --> 01:08:48,559 It's been a rough life. 989 01:08:48,559 --> 01:08:51,127 Me being out here has been real rough, 990 01:08:51,127 --> 01:08:56,219 'cause everybody that has come into my life has left right out. 991 01:08:56,219 --> 01:08:57,829 Nobody stays in my life. 992 01:08:57,829 --> 01:09:01,659 The only people that stays in my life is my kids. 993 01:09:01,659 --> 01:09:05,053 ♪♪ 994 01:09:05,053 --> 01:09:07,099 You know, it bothers me a little bit, 995 01:09:07,099 --> 01:09:10,015 because the story went out in the newspaper, 996 01:09:10,015 --> 01:09:14,715 and the comments that they've been putting? 997 01:09:14,715 --> 01:09:18,763 Horrifying. They really, like, put me down, 998 01:09:18,763 --> 01:09:21,026 that I'm doing all of this for money. 999 01:09:21,026 --> 01:09:25,596 And I'm like... 1000 01:09:25,596 --> 01:09:28,599 "What money? I didn't even ask for money." 1001 01:09:28,599 --> 01:09:35,736 ♪♪ 1002 01:09:35,736 --> 01:09:42,917 ♪♪ 1003 01:09:42,917 --> 01:09:47,618 Everybody just think about their tax money. 1004 01:09:47,618 --> 01:09:52,275 How did I decided to keep having kids, 1005 01:09:52,275 --> 01:09:55,626 knowing that I'm not financially stable? 1006 01:09:55,626 --> 01:09:58,759 ♪♪ 1007 01:09:58,759 --> 01:10:00,500 That doesn't mean anything. 1008 01:10:00,500 --> 01:10:03,764 I'm poor, and that's how I always been, 1009 01:10:03,764 --> 01:10:06,767 and that's how I'm gonna keep living. 1010 01:10:06,767 --> 01:10:09,509 I'm not planning on being rich. 1011 01:10:09,509 --> 01:10:13,470 ♪♪ 1012 01:10:17,648 --> 01:10:20,128 [People cheering in distance] 1013 01:10:20,128 --> 01:10:22,392 [Drums playing in distance] 1014 01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:28,746 Sweat: Why did my forefathers come to Hart Island 1015 01:10:28,746 --> 01:10:31,966 to join the Union army? 1016 01:10:31,966 --> 01:10:34,491 They came for one cry -- 1017 01:10:34,491 --> 01:10:39,670 to be free, equal men, period. 1018 01:10:39,670 --> 01:10:44,152 ♪♪ 1019 01:10:44,152 --> 01:10:48,331 And I feel very emotional about it, because... 1020 01:10:48,331 --> 01:10:52,509 not only are the soldiers interred here, 1021 01:10:52,509 --> 01:10:55,251 but so is my daughter. 1022 01:10:55,251 --> 01:10:57,818 I named her Aisha. 1023 01:10:57,818 --> 01:11:02,954 ♪♪ 1024 01:11:02,954 --> 01:11:08,481 We ponder ourselves with many questions 1025 01:11:08,481 --> 01:11:12,093 about our daughter. 1026 01:11:12,093 --> 01:11:16,968 So we hope to bring closure to our family 1027 01:11:16,968 --> 01:11:23,670 and to bring honor, love, and respect to a soul 1028 01:11:23,670 --> 01:11:30,024 that we haven't had the opportunity to honor properly 1029 01:11:30,024 --> 01:11:34,072 for almost 50 years to this day. 1030 01:11:34,072 --> 01:11:42,123 ♪♪ 1031 01:11:42,123 --> 01:11:47,477 To not to have touched the earth that she's buried in, 1032 01:11:47,477 --> 01:11:51,350 it behooves me to go over there 1033 01:11:51,350 --> 01:11:55,702 to lay the first wreath at her grave site 1034 01:11:55,702 --> 01:11:59,271 and pay my respects to my daughter 1035 01:11:59,271 --> 01:12:02,448 who is buried on Hart Island 1036 01:12:02,448 --> 01:12:07,671 in potter's field of the city of New York. 1037 01:12:07,671 --> 01:12:12,110 ♪♪ 1038 01:12:12,110 --> 01:12:16,854 Then I can continue my plight 1039 01:12:16,854 --> 01:12:22,207 to bring the honor, respect, 1040 01:12:22,207 --> 01:12:27,125 and some type of fitting memorial statue 1041 01:12:27,125 --> 01:12:30,433 over on Hart Island 1042 01:12:30,433 --> 01:12:35,002 for these soldiers of the Civil War. 1043 01:12:35,002 --> 01:12:43,837 ♪♪ 1044 01:12:43,837 --> 01:12:52,629 ♪♪ 1045 01:14:17,453 --> 01:14:19,498 [Indistinct conversations] 1046 01:14:23,981 --> 01:14:25,852 [Both laugh] 1047 01:14:29,769 --> 01:14:32,250 [Laughs, speaks Spanish] 1048 01:14:32,250 --> 01:14:35,209 Yeah. Sí.After a long time. 1049 01:14:35,209 --> 01:14:37,560 [Speaking Spanish] 1050 01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:40,388 Very happy to be here. 1051 01:14:40,388 --> 01:14:42,086 [Speaking Spanish] 1052 01:14:42,086 --> 01:14:44,741 Thank you very much. 1053 01:14:44,741 --> 01:14:47,831 Thank you. Thank you for sharing your story. 1054 01:14:47,831 --> 01:14:50,050 [Translating into Spanish]I think it was very important. 1055 01:14:50,050 --> 01:14:52,139 [Laughs]So here you are. 1056 01:15:07,067 --> 01:15:09,374 [Indistinct conversations] 1057 01:15:17,513 --> 01:15:24,084 ♪♪ 1058 01:15:24,084 --> 01:15:30,700 ♪♪ 1059 01:16:16,267 --> 01:16:21,489 ♪♪ 1060 01:16:36,330 --> 01:16:41,640 ♪♪ 1061 01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:47,037 ♪♪ 1062 01:16:47,037 --> 01:16:50,214 Bernstein: The most satisfying part of this reporting 1063 01:16:50,214 --> 01:16:54,435 has been that, armed with knowledge, 1064 01:16:54,435 --> 01:16:57,395 people can change the ending. 1065 01:16:57,395 --> 01:16:59,658 Hi. Hello. How are you?Ferrer: Hello. Buenos dias. 1066 01:16:59,658 --> 01:17:01,704 How are you? Come on in. 1067 01:17:01,704 --> 01:17:03,357 Gracias. 1068 01:17:03,357 --> 01:17:06,926 How are you? 1069 01:17:06,926 --> 01:17:12,192 This wasn't an investigation where you got a smoking gun 1070 01:17:12,192 --> 01:17:14,064 and you could go for the jugular. 1071 01:17:14,064 --> 01:17:16,762 This is the one bad guy. 1072 01:17:16,762 --> 01:17:20,331 It's just not like that. 1073 01:17:20,331 --> 01:17:25,771 Yes, there's some guardians who really didn't do their job. 1074 01:17:25,771 --> 01:17:30,297 And the medical examiner's office systemically 1075 01:17:30,297 --> 01:17:35,433 is not doing a proper job in many of these cases. 1076 01:17:35,433 --> 01:17:38,044 ♪♪ 1077 01:17:38,044 --> 01:17:40,960 Many factors have led to this place, 1078 01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:46,183 and it's really embedded in the -- in a lot of history. 1079 01:17:46,183 --> 01:17:52,711 But to have a city this modern, this cosmopolitan 1080 01:17:52,711 --> 01:17:56,497 that still buries the unclaimed dead 1081 01:17:56,497 --> 01:18:00,240 the way Jacob Riis recorded 1082 01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:03,461 in the 19th century 1083 01:18:03,461 --> 01:18:06,594 just doesn't make sense. 1084 01:18:06,594 --> 01:18:08,640 ♪♪ 1085 01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:11,382 It's archaic, it's bizarre, 1086 01:18:11,382 --> 01:18:17,693 and yet it also represents a truth about America, 1087 01:18:17,693 --> 01:18:21,653 about the Western world, perhaps, 1088 01:18:21,653 --> 01:18:26,092 that this tremendous inequality not only still exists, 1089 01:18:26,092 --> 01:18:29,617 but has -- has widened. 1090 01:18:29,617 --> 01:18:35,275 ♪♪ 1091 01:18:35,275 --> 01:18:36,973 Hanson: I mean, I wish life would have turned around. 1092 01:18:36,973 --> 01:18:39,062 I wish the rehabs would have worked. 1093 01:18:39,062 --> 01:18:41,412 I wish he would have kept the family, 1094 01:18:41,412 --> 01:18:43,327 because we all still loved him. 1095 01:18:43,327 --> 01:18:46,286 He couldn't help what he -- what he turned out to be. 1096 01:18:48,288 --> 01:18:50,595 She always felt that sorrow in her heart, 1097 01:18:50,595 --> 01:18:53,119 like, "Did I do that?" No, you didn't do that, Kim. 1098 01:18:53,119 --> 01:18:56,819 It was him doing that. It had nothing to do with you at all, 1099 01:18:56,819 --> 01:18:59,735 because he did love you. 1100 01:18:59,735 --> 01:19:02,650 He did love her. He did. 1101 01:19:09,309 --> 01:19:11,181 Bradshaw: My worry about having a child 1102 01:19:11,181 --> 01:19:15,141 is that I will -- I will give my child my issues. 1103 01:19:15,141 --> 01:19:17,143 I don't want to -- 1104 01:19:17,143 --> 01:19:22,235 I don't want to screw up my child like I was. 1105 01:19:22,235 --> 01:19:24,716 [Children chattering in distance] 1106 01:19:24,716 --> 01:19:28,589 ♪♪ 1107 01:19:28,589 --> 01:19:32,158 There will always be emptiness. 1108 01:19:32,158 --> 01:19:34,465 I'll never feel complete. 1109 01:19:34,465 --> 01:19:37,337 ♪♪ 1110 01:19:37,337 --> 01:19:40,514 I could have just told him... 1111 01:19:40,514 --> 01:19:45,606 how I felt and how he destroyed a lot of my life, 1112 01:19:45,606 --> 01:19:49,567 because he did. 1113 01:19:49,567 --> 01:19:52,875 And, of course, I wanted something from him. 1114 01:19:52,875 --> 01:19:57,880 I wanted something-- a reason why or that he's sorry 1115 01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:02,449 or something, like, a little inch of him caring, 1116 01:20:02,449 --> 01:20:04,538 which I'll never get. 1117 01:20:04,538 --> 01:20:08,020 So...it sucks. 1118 01:20:08,020 --> 01:20:15,593 ♪♪ 1119 01:20:15,593 --> 01:20:23,253 ♪♪ 1120 01:20:23,253 --> 01:20:25,255 Sante: New York still has the draw. 1121 01:20:25,255 --> 01:20:27,605 It's still a name to conjure with. 1122 01:20:27,605 --> 01:20:29,912 It still sounds a musical note 1123 01:20:29,912 --> 01:20:33,132 to people in some distant part of the world. 1124 01:20:33,132 --> 01:20:40,139 ♪♪ 1125 01:20:40,139 --> 01:20:41,445 New York is distinct. 1126 01:20:41,445 --> 01:20:44,535 New York has always gone its own way. 1127 01:20:44,535 --> 01:20:47,451 [Indistinct conversations] 1128 01:20:47,451 --> 01:20:51,977 New York has its own bitter humor... 1129 01:20:51,977 --> 01:20:54,458 ♪♪ 1130 01:20:54,458 --> 01:20:59,245 ...its own kind of culture, its own kind of literacy. 1131 01:20:59,245 --> 01:21:03,467 New York is not sentimental, because the city does not care. 1132 01:21:03,467 --> 01:21:06,165 The city does not care about you. 1133 01:21:06,165 --> 01:21:10,909 ♪♪ 1134 01:21:10,909 --> 01:21:13,346 That is one of the attractions of New York City, of course, 1135 01:21:13,346 --> 01:21:16,480 is that it's this monster you have to fight. 1136 01:21:16,480 --> 01:21:19,439 ♪♪ 1137 01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:22,616 You have to actually wrestle with the city 1138 01:21:22,616 --> 01:21:28,057 in order to just get the very basic necessities of life. 1139 01:21:28,057 --> 01:21:34,454 ♪♪ 1140 01:21:34,454 --> 01:21:36,456 And so the idea of the city 1141 01:21:36,456 --> 01:21:38,981 having something on its conscience, 1142 01:21:38,981 --> 01:21:42,201 this is a rather small blot, frankly. 1143 01:21:42,201 --> 01:21:47,424 I mean, with all honor to the dead, they aredead. 1144 01:21:47,424 --> 01:21:53,865 ♪♪ 1145 01:21:53,865 --> 01:22:00,393 ♪♪ 1146 01:22:00,393 --> 01:22:03,614 Levine: I think that the city has always wanted to forget 1147 01:22:03,614 --> 01:22:05,007 about Hart Island. 1148 01:22:05,007 --> 01:22:06,312 The city has wanted to forget 1149 01:22:06,312 --> 01:22:08,532 about the people who are buried there. 1150 01:22:08,532 --> 01:22:09,925 It's wanted to forget about the fact 1151 01:22:09,925 --> 01:22:12,188 that there is a potter's field, 1152 01:22:12,188 --> 01:22:16,192 that there is a place where difficult stories are hidden. 1153 01:22:16,192 --> 01:22:23,286 ♪♪ 1154 01:22:23,286 --> 01:22:24,852 New York City is celebrated 1155 01:22:24,852 --> 01:22:28,204 as the place where anyone can achieve their dreams, 1156 01:22:28,204 --> 01:22:32,251 but those dreams haven't been achieved by everyone. 1157 01:22:32,251 --> 01:22:39,215 ♪♪ 1158 01:22:39,215 --> 01:22:41,826 It's true of people toiling away, 1159 01:22:41,826 --> 01:22:43,697 digging out the tunnels for subways 1160 01:22:43,697 --> 01:22:46,352 or building our skyscrapers. 1161 01:22:46,352 --> 01:22:48,572 ♪♪ 1162 01:22:48,572 --> 01:22:50,922 It's true of people who have wound up homeless 1163 01:22:50,922 --> 01:22:53,359 or because a society shunned them, 1164 01:22:53,359 --> 01:22:56,058 as happened during the AIDS epidemic. 1165 01:22:56,058 --> 01:22:59,365 ♪♪ 1166 01:22:59,365 --> 01:23:02,238 Those stories might not be flattering to tell. 1167 01:23:02,238 --> 01:23:04,718 Even more, it might tell us things about our present 1168 01:23:04,718 --> 01:23:07,025 that we'd rather not face. 1169 01:23:07,025 --> 01:23:12,335 ♪♪ 1170 01:23:12,335 --> 01:23:16,252 But we owe it to the people who have been buried there 1171 01:23:16,252 --> 01:23:20,343 and are being buried there to bring their stories to light. 1172 01:23:20,343 --> 01:23:24,434 ♪♪ 1173 01:23:24,434 --> 01:23:29,265 Crowley: So, my bill to move the jurisdiction of Hart Island -- 1174 01:23:29,265 --> 01:23:31,919 I believe that we're at a place where we could finally -- 1175 01:23:31,919 --> 01:23:34,096 The momentum is growing 1176 01:23:34,096 --> 01:23:38,883 to make Hart Island a public place that is not forgotten. 1177 01:23:38,883 --> 01:23:41,712 ♪♪ 1178 01:23:41,712 --> 01:23:44,932 One million New Yorkers who built this city, 1179 01:23:44,932 --> 01:23:47,979 who made this city the city that it is today, 1180 01:23:47,979 --> 01:23:50,242 they should not be forgotten. 1181 01:23:50,242 --> 01:23:54,594 They need a better space to be resting in. 1182 01:23:54,594 --> 01:24:02,472 ♪♪ 1183 01:24:02,472 --> 01:24:10,262 ♪♪ 1184 01:24:10,262 --> 01:24:18,096 ♪♪ 1185 01:24:18,096 --> 01:24:21,926 Hey.Hey! [Laughs] 1186 01:24:21,926 --> 01:24:26,235 [Laughing] 1187 01:24:26,235 --> 01:24:28,150 [Speaking Spanish] 1188 01:24:48,605 --> 01:24:50,346 [All speaking Spanish] 1189 01:24:56,743 --> 01:25:05,970 ♪♪ 1190 01:25:05,970 --> 01:25:15,240 ♪♪ 1191 01:25:27,818 --> 01:25:32,344 ♪♪ 1192 01:25:52,277 --> 01:25:54,714 [All speaking Spanish] 1193 01:26:13,951 --> 01:26:23,526 ♪♪ 1194 01:26:23,526 --> 01:26:33,057 ♪♪ 1195 01:26:33,057 --> 01:26:42,632 ♪♪ 1196 01:26:42,632 --> 01:26:52,207 ♪♪ 1197 01:26:56,602 --> 01:27:04,131 ♪♪ 1198 01:27:04,131 --> 01:27:11,704 ♪♪ 1199 01:27:11,704 --> 01:27:19,234 ♪♪ 1200 01:27:19,234 --> 01:27:26,806 ♪♪ 1201 01:27:30,114 --> 01:27:40,080 ♪♪ 1202 01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:50,047 ♪♪ 1203 01:27:50,047 --> 01:28:00,013 ♪♪ 1204 01:28:00,013 --> 01:28:09,980 ♪♪ 1205 01:28:09,980 --> 01:28:19,946 ♪♪ 1206 01:28:19,946 --> 01:28:29,913 ♪♪ 1207 01:28:29,913 --> 01:28:39,879 ♪♪ 1208 01:28:39,879 --> 01:28:49,889 ♪♪ 1209 01:28:49,889 --> 01:28:59,856 ♪♪ 1210 01:28:59,856 --> 01:29:09,866 ♪♪ 1211 01:29:09,866 --> 01:29:19,832 ♪♪ 1212 01:29:19,832 --> 01:29:29,799 ♪♪ 1213 01:29:29,799 --> 01:29:39,765 ♪♪ 1214 01:29:39,765 --> 01:29:49,688 ♪♪ 84722

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