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Bernstein:
I first heard about Hart Island
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when I was working on a story
about a formerly homeless man.
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He had lived in the tunnels
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underneath Penn Station,
I think.
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There was a photographer
who photographed his little --
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the little house
he had made himself there.
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And because of her work,
he had been rescued,
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he'd been given a home,
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and then he'd been found dead
in that home.
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And he was going
to go to Hart Island.
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And it was -- there was
such sadness at the idea
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that this man who had finally
achieved a home of his own
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was going to be dispossessed --
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was going to be
one of the multitude
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in these anonymous graves.
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[Siren wailing in distance]
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I'm a New Yorker, and I believe
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that New York is more than,
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you know, the old idea
of the city on the hill.
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New York is really
what America is about.
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And there is a tragedy
inherent in a big metropolis.
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There are all these stories
of the chance gone by,
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the mistakes, the bad childhood,
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bad choices, or just bad luck.
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That's something that any
great metropolis contends with.
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But there's
something more here --
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that you could have
a loving family,
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a career, money set aside.
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And you could still end up
in a mass grave
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on an island
off-limits to the public
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buried by inmates
paid 50 cents an hour.
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[Siren wailing]
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Rockwell: "The wind rises in
from the sound
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carrying the clang of the bell
buoy from nearby City Island,
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tolling its fitful warning."
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[Bell clanging]
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"All around is desolate and sad,
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no kind hand
to decorate these graves
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with trophies of love
and remembrance."
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"Not even a headstone
to show where is interred
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what was once a human being."
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Lacquer: I think people have
understood since Roman antiquity
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that cities eat
many of their inhabitants.
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The word "potter's field,"
after all, is biblical,
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but it really means a place,
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an industrial area
where we used to dig clay,
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and that's where you put
the bodies that the city ate up.
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Every city has a place
for the burying of the poor.
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Hart Island is,
like everything in New York,
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sort of bigger and grander
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and slightly grungier.
[Chuckles]
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So in that sense,
Hart Island represents,
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you know, a city
which spat out a million people.
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Czitrom: We must always value
the individual life,
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particularly in a city
like New York,
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where too often,
we reduce people
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to teeming masses, immigrants,
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the refuse of the world.
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They make us forget sometimes
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that behind every one
of those bodies at Hart Island
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was a lived life,
aspirations, loved ones.
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It seems to me that that
all those million-plus folks
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buried in Hart Island
offer us a kind of record
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of lived life in New York City,
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in many cases anonymous.
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In many cases,
the people are unknown.
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In many cases,
we know very little
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about the people buried there.
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Nonetheless, these lives matter,
and they mattered.
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[Bell clanging]
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[Ferrer speaking Spanish]
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De Jesus: My baby was already
sick, so I already knew
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that there was a 50/50 chance
of him living or dying.
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[Child speaks indistinctly]
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Gave birth to him.
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I didn't have the financial
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to be able
to bury him and stuff.
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So the hospital gave me a week
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for me to, you know,
collect the money.
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I went to the welfare
day after day, day after day
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the entire week
that I was given,
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and they said no.
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And at that point,
I didn't know my real mother.
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I didn't know my real family.
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So it was like,
I really didn't have nobody.
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I was alone out here
living actually literally alone.
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I can't be ungrateful,
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because me living under public
assistance, New York City,
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has been helping
my children a lot.
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But when it comes to my son,
they failed me completely,
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because I put
all my trust on them.
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I put my child's body
in their hands to bury him.
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You know,
it's not the way I wanted.
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But I figure at least
he's going to be buried.
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He'll be a peace.
But he's -- He wasn't.
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Czitrom: Well,
when Hart Island is opened,
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New York is on the cusp of yet
another enormous rush of growth.
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The city's population basically
doubled every 20 years.
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New York City is the commercial
capital of America.
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It's the center
of its publishing industry.
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It's the center of fashion.
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And, of course,
next to the glitz,
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next to the glamor,
next to the mansions being built
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by A.T. Stewart
or the Vanderbilts,
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you have the reality
of The Five Points, the slums,
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the very, very difficult lives
lived by most New Yorkers --
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that is to say
the working class and the poor.
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New York is forced to create
a whole series of institutions
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to deal with the realities of
tens of thousands of immigrants
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coming into the city
continually.
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There was a sense, I think,
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that these people needed
to be separated out,
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that people were not comfortable
seeing the insane,
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seeing the paupers,
seeing elderly alcoholics
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on the streets of New York.
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And many of these
institutions --
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prisons, lunatic asylums,
hospitals,
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all were erected and created
outside Manhattan
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on these islands
in the East River.
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Sante:
There was Welfare Island,
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there were
the Quarantine Islands,
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and, of course, Ellis Island.
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And these were all various
processing stations.
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Hart Island was
the terminal island.
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So, this archipelago
that New York City is
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it is sort of part
of the great digestive system
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of the metropolis.
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There's this perpetually
renewing population
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of people who come
for an opportunity
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or because
they're fleeing something
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or because they want
to reinvent themselves,
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who wash up in New York,
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and perhaps, they do not
find a way of "making it."
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And so they exist
on the fringes.
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New York has had to, you know,
just out of necessity,
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cultivate this kind of
indifference.
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This is something
that all great cities
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have in common
to one degree or another,
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but New York City is
an exaggeration of this process.
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Czitrom:
In the 1890s, early 1900s,
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every spring,
the police department
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would have to fish out
scores and scores of bodies
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that floated to the surface
on the harbor or in the rivers.
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What do you do
with these bodies?
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Most of them, totally anonymous.
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These folks went to Hart Island.
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This is a place
that New York has to have
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to service the reality of death.
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Bernstein:
I think New Yorkers understand
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that there are always going
to be inequalities in the city,
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huge inequalities, and they're
in very sharp focus.
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But in death, we're equal.
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We all die alone.
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[Sirens wailing in distance]
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In today's world, you have so
many families who are estranged
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or just lost to each other
by distance, by misfortune.
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And yet to know
that someone you once loved
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or that you hoped loved you
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is buried in a mass grave
on Hart Island,
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that resonates forever.
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[Ferrer speaking Spanish]
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Hanson:
We got married in 1982
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and got married
at my sister's house
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'cause I never wanted
a big wedding.
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I was never the one
to be in front of --
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you know, wear a dress
and have all these people
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that, you know, sometimes you
don't even know half of them.
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Why would you want them there
at your wedding?
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But there were a lot of great
times with with Bruce, a lot.
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And when he started
spiraling down,
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that was in 84,
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we moved right next to a bar
called Lady L's.
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We used to go to
Lady L's on on Friday nights,
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got a babysitter for Kimberly.
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And he started hanging out
with a lot of different people
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and started drinking heavily.
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And the bar was right next door,
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which was not
the greatest thing,
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Didn't think anything of it
when we moved to the house.
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But it happened, and...
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I remember vodka bottles
being under the bed hidden,
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you know, so --
And they would argue constantly,
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so I just remember my childhood
not wonderful.
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You know, I think
that he hurt his back at work,
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and he got addicted
to pain medication
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and then cocaine, then alcohol,
and he just spiraled downhill.
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Hanson: A lot of times at night,
I wouldn't stay home.
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I would sleep over
my girlfriend's house
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with the dog
and, of course, my daughter.
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And my mother
called up one night,
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and I wasn't there yet 'cause
I stayed at Eileen's house.
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And my mom said,
"What kind of a --
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What kind of a daughter are you?
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You don't come home at night?
What is wrong with you?"
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And I broke -- I broke down
in tears, because now they knew.
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Now my secret is coming out.
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[Siren wailing]
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He was better off
out of the picture
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if he couldn't be straight,
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because it would just hurt her,
would hurt her too much.
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If you're in a relationship,
you have to be "us,"
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has to be family.
If it's not family,
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it's not a relationship.
It's not love. It's not there.
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[Car horn blares]
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[Whistle blows]
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Bradshaw: He would always
enter my conscience.
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I would always wonder,
is he okay?
261
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What is he doing?
Is he living on the streets?
262
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Even when I would go to
Manhattan when I was younger,
263
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I would always wonder
if that was him.
264
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You know, I'd always want
to give money to those people
265
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'cause I felt like
that was my dad.
266
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Like, I hoped, which people
don't hope,
267
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that he was either
in the hospital or in jail,
268
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where I would get that one
moment that he was sober.
269
00:21:49,438 --> 00:21:52,267
And I never got it.
270
00:21:52,267 --> 00:21:54,487
And the fact
that he was in a hospital
271
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and nobody contacted
any family members
272
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and then hid his body
for three years is crazy.
273
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♪♪
274
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♪♪
275
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♪♪
276
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Sweat: So, in the world today,
everyone knows America
277
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as the land of freedom
and opportunity,
278
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because you see me
in front of you now.
279
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But prior to seeing me here,
280
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you didn't know of me,
except for one thing.
281
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"He is less than a man.
282
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He is not America.
283
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He is the slave
that built America."
284
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♪♪
285
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This is the twosome
of every man and woman of color.
286
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Now, we at the point
287
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when we stumble upon
a part of history
288
00:23:25,229 --> 00:23:29,190
that doencounter us
as a people of color,
289
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of honor, of respect.
290
00:23:31,888 --> 00:23:37,851
♪♪
291
00:23:37,851 --> 00:23:40,636
[Man shouting indistinctly
in distance]
292
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♪♪
293
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Hart and Rikers Island
at the time of 1860
294
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was being converted
into Camp Astor.
295
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♪♪
296
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There was mustered in
297
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over 200,000 soldiers of color.
298
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♪♪
299
00:24:11,798 --> 00:24:15,410
America was not America
at that time.
300
00:24:15,410 --> 00:24:20,981
It was Confederacy in the South
and the Union up in the North,
301
00:24:20,981 --> 00:24:24,288
and what brought us together
was the Civil War.
302
00:24:24,288 --> 00:24:27,204
♪♪
303
00:24:27,204 --> 00:24:30,251
If it wasn't for these men,
we would not be free today.
304
00:24:30,251 --> 00:24:33,341
If it wasn't for those
United States colored troops,
305
00:24:33,341 --> 00:24:37,737
we would not be as proud
as we are today.
306
00:24:37,737 --> 00:24:39,739
[Cheers and applause
in distance]
307
00:24:39,739 --> 00:24:44,439
♪♪
308
00:24:44,439 --> 00:24:48,661
United States colored troops
were definitely on that island.
309
00:24:48,661 --> 00:24:51,664
And there still are certain
little indications
310
00:24:51,664 --> 00:24:55,363
that there are so
few bodies that still remain.
311
00:24:55,363 --> 00:24:58,584
♪♪
312
00:24:58,584 --> 00:25:03,371
And in us knocking at the door,
who is there to open it?
313
00:25:03,371 --> 00:25:07,462
A correctional department.
314
00:25:07,462 --> 00:25:09,769
I've never so been humiliated
315
00:25:09,769 --> 00:25:16,210
that to have a correction
officer direct me in prayer.
316
00:25:16,210 --> 00:25:23,043
♪♪
317
00:25:23,043 --> 00:25:26,307
Hunt:
When the burials began in 1869,
318
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the Department of Charities and
Correction was one city agency.
319
00:25:33,575 --> 00:25:35,708
And what happened more recently
320
00:25:35,708 --> 00:25:39,973
was the Department of Welfare
pulled out of Hart Island
321
00:25:39,973 --> 00:25:42,541
and left
the Department of Correction
322
00:25:42,541 --> 00:25:44,847
in charge of these burials.
323
00:25:44,847 --> 00:25:49,504
♪♪
324
00:25:49,504 --> 00:25:52,942
So, it used to be
that there was a dead house
325
00:25:52,942 --> 00:25:57,556
at the end of 26th Street
and a dock,
326
00:25:57,556 --> 00:26:03,170
and in the dead house,
the bodies which were unclaimed
327
00:26:03,170 --> 00:26:07,000
were put in these boxes
and then put onto a boat.
328
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,786
There were two steamships.
One was called Hope[Chuckles]
329
00:26:10,786 --> 00:26:13,136
and the other
was called Fidelity.
330
00:26:13,136 --> 00:26:17,967
♪♪
331
00:26:17,967 --> 00:26:20,013
Rockwell: "The boat backs up
to the dead house
332
00:26:20,013 --> 00:26:24,539
and takes the coffins
with their ghastly freight.
333
00:26:24,539 --> 00:26:26,672
They're shoved
rudely down a slide
334
00:26:26,672 --> 00:26:28,891
like the various merchandise.
335
00:26:28,891 --> 00:26:30,850
And as they strike the deck,
336
00:26:30,850 --> 00:26:34,723
we hear the thud of the body
and its rude receptacle."
337
00:26:34,723 --> 00:26:36,899
♪♪
338
00:26:36,899 --> 00:26:41,556
"'Business is good today,'
the Charon of the Styx says.
339
00:26:41,556 --> 00:26:44,559
As we count the coffins
heaped up promiscuously,
340
00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:46,692
we think so, too."
341
00:26:46,692 --> 00:26:52,001
♪♪
342
00:26:52,001 --> 00:26:57,093
"We steam away and soon touch
at Blackwell's Island.
343
00:26:57,093 --> 00:26:59,748
Here, the bodies of those
who died of smallpox
344
00:26:59,748 --> 00:27:04,361
and other contagious diseases
are taken on-board.
345
00:27:04,361 --> 00:27:09,062
Charity Hospital is also visited
and contributes its quota."
346
00:27:09,062 --> 00:27:11,194
♪♪
347
00:27:11,194 --> 00:27:12,674
"The coffins are bundled out
348
00:27:12,674 --> 00:27:15,198
to men who cart them away
into a field,
349
00:27:15,198 --> 00:27:17,723
handling them as rudely
as baggage masters
350
00:27:17,723 --> 00:27:19,768
to trucks at a depot.
351
00:27:19,768 --> 00:27:25,774
Trenches are about 15 feet deep
and 6 feet wide.
352
00:27:25,774 --> 00:27:28,516
The coffins are piled up
like wood and cords
353
00:27:28,516 --> 00:27:34,478
or fuel in a coal pit, 13 deep.
354
00:27:34,478 --> 00:27:37,873
As soon as the coffin is placed
at the bottom of the trench,
355
00:27:37,873 --> 00:27:40,180
a barrow of dirt
is thrown over it
356
00:27:40,180 --> 00:27:43,966
and another coffin placed above.
357
00:27:43,966 --> 00:27:46,752
Children's coffins are chucked
in at the feet of the others
358
00:27:46,752 --> 00:27:50,451
and help to form a solid mass.
359
00:27:50,451 --> 00:27:53,541
A foot of earth is then
thrown upon the upper one
360
00:27:53,541 --> 00:27:55,935
until the work is completed."
361
00:27:55,935 --> 00:27:58,154
♪♪
362
00:27:58,154 --> 00:28:01,897
"Thus all nationalities
rest close together.
363
00:28:01,897 --> 00:28:05,161
The murderer is a close
companion of the thief
364
00:28:05,161 --> 00:28:09,775
and the suicide
is just beneath the pauper.
365
00:28:09,775 --> 00:28:12,168
There is no aristocracy."
366
00:28:12,168 --> 00:28:16,651
♪♪
367
00:28:30,273 --> 00:28:32,928
Hunt:
I first heard of Hart Island
368
00:28:32,928 --> 00:28:35,278
from a physician
369
00:28:35,278 --> 00:28:38,455
who was at Harlem Hospital.
370
00:28:38,455 --> 00:28:42,024
And she was talking about
371
00:28:42,024 --> 00:28:46,855
infants that were born
addicted to crack
372
00:28:46,855 --> 00:28:50,859
and that they were buried
in shoeboxes
373
00:28:50,859 --> 00:28:55,385
1,000 at a time on Hart Island.
374
00:28:55,385 --> 00:28:58,954
And at that time, Hart Island
was open to journalists
375
00:28:58,954 --> 00:29:00,651
and to academics,
376
00:29:00,651 --> 00:29:06,701
and so I decided that
I was just going to get there.
377
00:29:06,701 --> 00:29:12,751
And it just so happened that
that day was the very first day
378
00:29:12,751 --> 00:29:15,884
that these inmates
had ever been on Hart Island.
379
00:29:18,234 --> 00:29:22,369
And these were young men
convicted of misdemeanors
380
00:29:22,369 --> 00:29:25,764
like turnstile jumping,
graffiti.
381
00:29:25,764 --> 00:29:29,506
So, you know, they're not felons
or anything like that.
382
00:29:29,506 --> 00:29:32,379
They're young men that
couldn't afford a good lawyer.
383
00:29:39,212 --> 00:29:40,953
Rodriguez:
Oh, I used to live in Red Hook.
384
00:29:40,953 --> 00:29:42,345
That was one of
the bad neighborhoods
385
00:29:42,345 --> 00:29:45,218
by the Battery Tunnel
in Brooklyn.
386
00:29:45,218 --> 00:29:50,179
And New York City,
and it was crazy in '89.
387
00:29:50,179 --> 00:29:52,312
It was crack
and stuff like that.
388
00:29:52,312 --> 00:29:55,576
And we used to sell weed
and drugs and stuff like that.
389
00:29:55,576 --> 00:29:57,621
And I wind up getting caught
with possession,
390
00:29:57,621 --> 00:29:59,275
and I win up going
to Rikers Island
391
00:29:59,275 --> 00:30:01,234
for a little bit of time.
392
00:30:01,234 --> 00:30:03,410
♪♪
393
00:30:03,410 --> 00:30:05,629
In those days,
it was it was a zoo.
394
00:30:05,629 --> 00:30:09,329
You could get anything. You
could get a knife or anything.
395
00:30:09,329 --> 00:30:11,679
One guy -- One time,
the guy had a gun in there.
396
00:30:11,679 --> 00:30:15,378
It was like -- like
gladiator school every day.
397
00:30:15,378 --> 00:30:17,076
And so when I got short --
398
00:30:17,076 --> 00:30:18,686
Short means that
you're going home.
399
00:30:18,686 --> 00:30:21,602
You don't have a lot of time
left in your sentence --
400
00:30:21,602 --> 00:30:25,040
They gave me a job
in Hart Island.
401
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:32,047
♪♪
402
00:30:32,047 --> 00:30:34,267
Next thing you know,
they put some shackles on you,
403
00:30:34,267 --> 00:30:36,835
and they take you
on a little bus,
404
00:30:36,835 --> 00:30:39,054
and then they take you
on a boat.
405
00:30:39,054 --> 00:30:41,187
I'm a little scared
'cause I'm in handcuffs.
406
00:30:41,187 --> 00:30:42,971
I'm on the boat thinking
the boat's going to go down.
407
00:30:42,971 --> 00:30:44,973
I think the worst or whatever.
408
00:30:44,973 --> 00:30:46,975
And they take you
to Hart Island.
409
00:30:46,975 --> 00:30:51,980
And I still didn't know that
Hart Island was potter's field.
410
00:30:51,980 --> 00:30:54,026
I heard of potter's field
in movies and stuff like that,
411
00:30:54,026 --> 00:30:58,508
but I didn't -- I didn't even
know what -- what it meant.
412
00:30:58,508 --> 00:31:01,468
And there's only two officers.
No fence, no nothing.
413
00:31:01,468 --> 00:31:04,471
And there was this smell.
I don't know what the smell was.
414
00:31:04,471 --> 00:31:07,474
So, the next morning,
it's raining, and they tell you,
415
00:31:07,474 --> 00:31:09,606
"We're going to go --
We're going to go to work."
416
00:31:09,606 --> 00:31:16,352
♪♪
417
00:31:16,352 --> 00:31:20,182
We walk to this big hallway,
but it was graves,
418
00:31:20,182 --> 00:31:24,186
and there were mass graves
with wooden boxes,
419
00:31:24,186 --> 00:31:27,842
and we're going to move them
to put more boxes in there.
420
00:31:27,842 --> 00:31:29,975
And the people that were there
are John Does
421
00:31:29,975 --> 00:31:32,455
or people that nobody
wants to pay for
422
00:31:32,455 --> 00:31:35,806
or people that get lost
in the system.
423
00:31:35,806 --> 00:31:39,810
They were like five deep.
It was a big hole.
424
00:31:39,810 --> 00:31:42,161
There were little coffins
in the grave,
425
00:31:42,161 --> 00:31:44,163
and the guys would all
talk about them,
426
00:31:44,163 --> 00:31:46,382
and they would just say
crack babies,
427
00:31:46,382 --> 00:31:48,297
even though who knows
what they were there for.
428
00:31:48,297 --> 00:31:50,778
But that's the mentality
they had.
429
00:31:50,778 --> 00:31:54,651
that those were, like,
undesirables or whatever,
430
00:31:54,651 --> 00:31:57,263
that they didn't count
or whatever.
431
00:31:57,263 --> 00:32:03,834
♪♪
432
00:32:03,834 --> 00:32:10,537
♪♪
433
00:32:10,537 --> 00:32:13,061
Crowley: When our mayor
took office, he was elected
434
00:32:13,061 --> 00:32:14,976
because of his campaign
435
00:32:14,976 --> 00:32:17,674
on our city
being a tale of two cities,
436
00:32:17,674 --> 00:32:19,415
the haves and the have-nots.
437
00:32:19,415 --> 00:32:21,200
And those who have not
438
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,855
are usually the ones who wind up
being buried on Hart Island.
439
00:32:24,855 --> 00:32:30,426
♪♪
440
00:32:30,426 --> 00:32:34,169
The difficulty in government,
especially when you're the mayor
441
00:32:34,169 --> 00:32:36,215
and you're managing
a very large city,
442
00:32:36,215 --> 00:32:39,261
the priorities of the public
take shape
443
00:32:39,261 --> 00:32:44,223
and become the most
important issues you address.
444
00:32:44,223 --> 00:32:46,703
And not many people
bring Hart Island
445
00:32:46,703 --> 00:32:49,271
to elected officials'
attentions.
446
00:32:49,271 --> 00:32:58,672
♪♪
447
00:32:58,672 --> 00:33:04,112
It is out of sight and out
of mind to so many New Yorkers.
448
00:33:04,112 --> 00:33:05,722
People just don't care that much
449
00:33:05,722 --> 00:33:09,639
unless they have
a personal connection.
450
00:33:09,639 --> 00:33:14,557
It shouldn't be so removed
from the rest of the city.
451
00:33:14,557 --> 00:33:18,561
We should know what happens
after people die.
452
00:33:18,561 --> 00:33:22,391
We should be able
to see that space.
453
00:33:22,391 --> 00:33:30,095
♪♪
454
00:33:30,095 --> 00:33:37,754
♪♪
455
00:33:37,754 --> 00:33:45,501
♪♪
456
00:33:45,501 --> 00:33:53,248
♪♪
457
00:33:53,248 --> 00:33:55,555
Levine: The fact
that we're using inmates
458
00:33:55,555 --> 00:33:57,992
to maintain
this active burial site
459
00:33:57,992 --> 00:34:00,299
where one million souls
are buried,
460
00:34:00,299 --> 00:34:02,779
where so much of New York City
history is buried,
461
00:34:02,779 --> 00:34:05,304
is -- is Dickensian.
462
00:34:05,304 --> 00:34:09,699
And it is a document
of the inequality
463
00:34:09,699 --> 00:34:14,704
that has existed in this city
for centuries.
464
00:34:14,704 --> 00:34:17,142
Dunn: I don't think the state
is unique in this respect.
465
00:34:17,142 --> 00:34:19,666
If you're poor in this world
or you're not powerful,
466
00:34:19,666 --> 00:34:22,625
you get forgotten
pretty quickly.
467
00:34:22,625 --> 00:34:26,716
And Hart Island is exactly where
our society and our country
468
00:34:26,716 --> 00:34:29,937
puts the people
who are poor and forgotten.
469
00:34:29,937 --> 00:34:32,853
♪♪
470
00:34:32,853 --> 00:34:37,205
And you have, you know,
a situation you couldn't make up
471
00:34:37,205 --> 00:34:39,686
in which you have the poor
and forgotten people
472
00:34:39,686 --> 00:34:41,644
who are alive and are in jail
473
00:34:41,644 --> 00:34:44,560
who are bearing the poor and
forgotten people who are dead.
474
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:51,350
♪♪
475
00:34:51,350 --> 00:34:58,096
♪♪
476
00:34:58,096 --> 00:35:04,928
♪♪
477
00:35:04,928 --> 00:35:07,453
[Ferrer speaking Spanish]
478
00:36:51,774 --> 00:36:54,908
Bernstein:
The case of Ciro Ferrer,
479
00:36:54,908 --> 00:36:58,651
this man who came here
from Havana,
480
00:36:58,651 --> 00:37:00,130
when I talked to his daughter,
481
00:37:00,130 --> 00:37:03,046
she said he was a --
he was a good father.
482
00:37:03,046 --> 00:37:05,048
He -- He really went
to support them.
483
00:37:05,048 --> 00:37:07,964
They spoke. There were
photographs sent back
484
00:37:07,964 --> 00:37:11,446
and then suddenly silence.
485
00:37:11,446 --> 00:37:15,145
He had been found
wandering in the street
486
00:37:15,145 --> 00:37:19,280
near the apartment
where he lived alone.
487
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,110
He had dementia.
He was placed in a nursing home.
488
00:37:23,110 --> 00:37:26,635
He told a court evaluator
489
00:37:26,635 --> 00:37:30,987
that he had a wife
and children in Cuba.
490
00:37:30,987 --> 00:37:34,817
And yet
the court-appointed guardian,
491
00:37:34,817 --> 00:37:38,691
who was collecting $400 a month
from his Social Security
492
00:37:38,691 --> 00:37:41,520
and giving the rest
to the nursing home,
493
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,086
never contacted them.
494
00:37:43,086 --> 00:37:44,305
Man: [Through intercom]
Hello?
495
00:37:44,305 --> 00:37:47,613
Hola. Español?
496
00:37:47,613 --> 00:37:48,657
Yes.
497
00:37:48,657 --> 00:37:51,269
Uh...
[Speaking Spanish]
498
00:38:18,818 --> 00:38:20,167
Okay, no problem.
499
00:38:31,918 --> 00:38:34,573
[Women conversing in Spanish]
500
00:38:51,329 --> 00:38:53,679
Sí.
501
00:38:53,679 --> 00:38:55,594
[Both laugh]
502
00:38:55,594 --> 00:38:58,684
♪♪
503
00:39:06,213 --> 00:39:08,258
[Laughs]
504
00:40:01,442 --> 00:40:06,665
♪♪
505
00:40:06,665 --> 00:40:11,974
♪♪
506
00:40:11,974 --> 00:40:14,586
De Jesus: I was sitting one day
507
00:40:14,586 --> 00:40:17,240
with my friend
in her living room,
508
00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:21,375
and we had started speaking
about him again.
509
00:40:21,375 --> 00:40:24,639
And I was like, "Wow, my baby --
510
00:40:24,639 --> 00:40:26,815
It's going to be 12 years."
511
00:40:26,815 --> 00:40:29,514
And she was like,
512
00:40:29,514 --> 00:40:32,821
"Where was it that -- that
the city buried him again?"
513
00:40:32,821 --> 00:40:35,781
I'm like, "Honestly,
I really don't know.
514
00:40:35,781 --> 00:40:40,481
The only thing that I know
is Hart Island."
515
00:40:40,481 --> 00:40:44,485
I went back to the hospital
where I gave birth,
516
00:40:44,485 --> 00:40:46,922
and they were like, "Yeah,
517
00:40:46,922 --> 00:40:53,712
but you have to communicate
with the correctional facility."
518
00:40:53,712 --> 00:40:57,498
I called, and the lady
that I spoke to,
519
00:40:57,498 --> 00:41:03,765
she was like, "Yes,"
that the baby was there.
520
00:41:03,765 --> 00:41:07,160
[Sniffing sharply]
521
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:11,294
You have to sit there
and wait for police officers
522
00:41:11,294 --> 00:41:15,124
to actually open the gate
and let you in.
523
00:41:15,124 --> 00:41:17,649
They actually
make you sign papers
524
00:41:17,649 --> 00:41:20,042
before you even
get on the ferry.
525
00:41:23,481 --> 00:41:26,222
I'm like, okay.
526
00:41:26,222 --> 00:41:29,138
What can I do if
the Department of Corrections,
527
00:41:29,138 --> 00:41:32,446
they gonna treat us
like if we visiting a jail?
528
00:41:32,446 --> 00:41:35,057
♪♪
529
00:41:35,057 --> 00:41:38,191
But once the captain
got close to us
530
00:41:38,191 --> 00:41:42,761
and asked me,
"Did anybody notify you?"
531
00:41:42,761 --> 00:41:46,591
I'm like,
"Notify me about what?"
532
00:41:46,591 --> 00:41:49,898
And that's when
he gave me the news,
533
00:41:49,898 --> 00:41:51,813
"We can't find your child here."
534
00:41:51,813 --> 00:41:56,775
I'm like -- I...
just broke down right there.
535
00:41:56,775 --> 00:42:02,041
My daughter -- My oldest
daughter, she broke down crying.
536
00:42:02,041 --> 00:42:08,134
♪♪
537
00:42:08,134 --> 00:42:14,270
♪♪
538
00:42:14,270 --> 00:42:17,143
[Children chattering
in distance]
539
00:42:17,143 --> 00:42:19,580
♪♪
540
00:42:19,580 --> 00:42:22,322
"If he's not there,
where he at, Mommy?"
541
00:42:22,322 --> 00:42:25,499
♪♪
542
00:42:25,499 --> 00:42:27,936
Every day, they ask.
543
00:42:27,936 --> 00:42:29,329
"Did you speak to the lawyer?
544
00:42:29,329 --> 00:42:32,419
Did -- Did they found Anthony?"
545
00:42:32,419 --> 00:42:35,640
♪♪
546
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,252
"Are we gonna finally
go visit Anthony?"
547
00:42:39,252 --> 00:42:42,255
I'm like, "No, we --
we have to sit down and wait.
548
00:42:42,255 --> 00:42:43,909
It's out of my hands now.
549
00:42:43,909 --> 00:42:48,827
Now we just have to wait and see
where is Anthony at."
550
00:42:48,827 --> 00:42:54,833
♪♪
551
00:42:54,833 --> 00:42:57,139
Every time I call,
there's different people
552
00:42:57,139 --> 00:43:00,534
that answer the phone.
553
00:43:00,534 --> 00:43:04,059
All they keep telling me
is that there's a check-in
554
00:43:04,059 --> 00:43:07,454
when they brought my baby in,
but there's no check-out.
555
00:43:07,454 --> 00:43:15,767
♪♪
556
00:43:15,767 --> 00:43:24,079
♪♪
557
00:43:24,079 --> 00:43:28,083
Where he at?
What they did to his body?
558
00:43:28,083 --> 00:43:32,610
♪♪
559
00:43:32,610 --> 00:43:38,137
You know, how can the city
just lose a tiny body?
560
00:43:38,137 --> 00:43:42,620
♪♪
561
00:43:42,620 --> 00:43:45,797
How is that it's not possible?
562
00:43:45,797 --> 00:43:53,456
♪♪
563
00:43:53,456 --> 00:44:01,160
♪♪
564
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:08,776
♪♪
565
00:44:08,776 --> 00:44:16,479
♪♪
566
00:44:16,479 --> 00:44:19,613
Rockwell: "Long ago, it was said
that one half of the world
567
00:44:19,613 --> 00:44:22,790
does not know
how the other half lives.
568
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:24,574
That was true then.
569
00:44:24,574 --> 00:44:27,534
It did not know
because it did not care."
570
00:44:27,534 --> 00:44:30,842
♪♪
571
00:44:30,842 --> 00:44:33,801
"The half that was on top
cared little for the struggles
572
00:44:33,801 --> 00:44:38,066
and less for the fate
of those who were underneath,
573
00:44:38,066 --> 00:44:40,025
so long as it was able
to hold them there
574
00:44:40,025 --> 00:44:42,418
and keep its own seat."
575
00:44:42,418 --> 00:44:45,813
♪♪
576
00:44:45,813 --> 00:44:49,817
"In New York, the youngest
of the world's great cities,
577
00:44:49,817 --> 00:44:52,733
that time came later
than elsewhere."
578
00:44:52,733 --> 00:44:58,696
♪♪
579
00:44:58,696 --> 00:45:02,525
Yochelson: Riis was a Danish
immigrant who came to America
580
00:45:02,525 --> 00:45:05,050
at the age of 20 in 1870,
581
00:45:05,050 --> 00:45:07,443
spent 5 years
as a homeless person,
582
00:45:07,443 --> 00:45:12,492
and then worked as a
newspaper reporter for 23 years
583
00:45:12,492 --> 00:45:15,016
covering the slums.
584
00:45:15,016 --> 00:45:23,982
♪♪
585
00:45:23,982 --> 00:45:29,683
He was immersing himself
in the worst,
586
00:45:29,683 --> 00:45:33,252
most frightening,
demoralizing part
587
00:45:33,252 --> 00:45:36,385
of New York City's life.
588
00:45:36,385 --> 00:45:41,260
And he had the brilliant idea
of using photographs
589
00:45:41,260 --> 00:45:45,264
to give people an image
that went with his words.
590
00:45:45,264 --> 00:45:46,874
So this is really the beginning
591
00:45:46,874 --> 00:45:49,747
of what we would understand
as photojournalism.
592
00:45:49,747 --> 00:45:51,836
♪♪
593
00:45:51,836 --> 00:45:54,273
Czitrom: Riis had been
a police reporter for many years
594
00:45:54,273 --> 00:45:56,057
before he took photographs.
595
00:45:56,057 --> 00:45:57,755
And as a police reporter,
596
00:45:57,755 --> 00:46:00,670
he was assigned
to go with the NYPD
597
00:46:00,670 --> 00:46:03,325
to do all these things that cops
had to do in those days.
598
00:46:03,325 --> 00:46:05,545
It was not so much
about fighting crime
599
00:46:05,545 --> 00:46:10,115
as it was being a kind of social
service agency for the city.
600
00:46:10,115 --> 00:46:14,293
♪♪
601
00:46:14,293 --> 00:46:18,645
Cops had to fish out dead bodies
from the rivers and the harbors.
602
00:46:18,645 --> 00:46:20,690
Cops had to help wash children.
603
00:46:20,690 --> 00:46:23,781
Cops were helping to give
vaccinations in the tenements.
604
00:46:23,781 --> 00:46:26,827
So Riis,
by reporting on the police,
605
00:46:26,827 --> 00:46:30,439
got a tremendous education in
the underside of New York life.
606
00:46:30,439 --> 00:46:32,354
Now, the title
of his most famous book,
607
00:46:32,354 --> 00:46:35,793
"How the Other Half Lives," is
actually a kind of ironic joke.
608
00:46:35,793 --> 00:46:37,707
A more accurate title
would have been
609
00:46:37,707 --> 00:46:42,016
"How the Other 3/4 Lives."
610
00:46:42,016 --> 00:46:45,803
Yochelson: "How the Other Half
Lives" was a tour of the slums
611
00:46:45,803 --> 00:46:50,372
in which he used everything
he knew about this neighborhood
612
00:46:50,372 --> 00:46:53,375
that he'd spent
over 10 years reporting on
613
00:46:53,375 --> 00:46:56,074
and describing
in very colorful language
614
00:46:56,074 --> 00:46:58,250
this way of life
unknown to his audience,
615
00:46:58,250 --> 00:47:00,905
which was essentially
a middle-class audience.
616
00:47:00,905 --> 00:47:04,778
♪♪
617
00:47:04,778 --> 00:47:09,174
This was not really someone very
concerned with composing images,
618
00:47:09,174 --> 00:47:13,047
in large part because of
the very primitive camera
619
00:47:13,047 --> 00:47:14,788
that he was using,
620
00:47:14,788 --> 00:47:17,399
where he would come into
a crowded lodging house
621
00:47:17,399 --> 00:47:22,013
when people were sleeping
and set off a gun, actually,
622
00:47:22,013 --> 00:47:24,015
literally a gun
with the flash powder
623
00:47:24,015 --> 00:47:27,627
and create a big boom and wake
people up and capture them.
624
00:47:27,627 --> 00:47:33,067
♪♪
625
00:47:33,067 --> 00:47:35,722
I mean, it's not at all
respectful of his subjects
626
00:47:35,722 --> 00:47:37,028
in the pictures,
627
00:47:37,028 --> 00:47:39,726
and that's exactly
what they convey,
628
00:47:39,726 --> 00:47:42,990
which is the indignity
of their lives.
629
00:47:42,990 --> 00:47:47,516
♪♪
630
00:47:47,516 --> 00:47:49,475
This tour really ends
at Hart Island
631
00:47:49,475 --> 00:47:52,782
because it's a really
critical subject for his story.
632
00:47:52,782 --> 00:47:55,873
It's the climax of his story.
633
00:47:55,873 --> 00:47:58,614
In a chapter called
"The Common Herd,"
634
00:47:58,614 --> 00:48:01,748
he describes the end
of their lives in this way.
635
00:48:01,748 --> 00:48:04,359
♪♪
636
00:48:04,359 --> 00:48:07,145
"One free excursion
awaits young and old,
637
00:48:07,145 --> 00:48:10,104
whom bitter poverty has denied
the poor privilege
638
00:48:10,104 --> 00:48:12,019
of the choice of the home
in death
639
00:48:12,019 --> 00:48:13,847
they were denied in life.
640
00:48:13,847 --> 00:48:17,546
The ride up the sound
to the potter's field,
641
00:48:17,546 --> 00:48:22,203
charitably styled
the city cemetery.
642
00:48:22,203 --> 00:48:25,815
But even there,
they do not escape their fate.
643
00:48:25,815 --> 00:48:28,862
In the common trench
of the poor burying ground,
644
00:48:28,862 --> 00:48:33,519
they lay packed three stories
deep shoulder to shoulder,
645
00:48:33,519 --> 00:48:36,826
crowded in death
as they were in life."
646
00:48:36,826 --> 00:48:44,399
♪♪
647
00:48:44,399 --> 00:48:51,929
♪♪
648
00:48:51,929 --> 00:48:56,846
Woman: [In distance]
To the Creator, to the
initiator of life,
649
00:48:56,846 --> 00:49:00,285
Father, we first
reverence and hallow Your name.
650
00:49:00,285 --> 00:49:03,331
♪♪
651
00:49:03,331 --> 00:49:06,204
Lord, we're here this day
to give honor
652
00:49:06,204 --> 00:49:09,903
and to commemorate all of those
women and men
653
00:49:09,903 --> 00:49:14,342
who sacrificed their lives
so that we can have life,
654
00:49:14,342 --> 00:49:18,694
so that we can walk around
this nation, this planet,
655
00:49:18,694 --> 00:49:22,524
in hope,
so that we could have freedom.
656
00:49:22,524 --> 00:49:25,310
We honor them this day. Amen.
657
00:49:25,310 --> 00:49:27,094
-Amen.
-Amen.
658
00:49:27,094 --> 00:49:29,183
[Applause]
659
00:49:29,183 --> 00:49:31,751
♪♪
660
00:49:31,751 --> 00:49:36,060
Sweat: There's a legend about
people that grow up in Brooklyn,
661
00:49:36,060 --> 00:49:39,628
that we're very strong stock.
662
00:49:39,628 --> 00:49:42,196
We're very straightforward,
663
00:49:42,196 --> 00:49:47,158
and we're people
that have resources.
664
00:49:47,158 --> 00:49:51,466
My resource has always
been my family.
665
00:49:51,466 --> 00:49:53,120
As I grew up, I went through
666
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:57,168
all of the racial
discriminatory situations
667
00:49:57,168 --> 00:50:02,086
that the world knows of today
that happened in America.
668
00:50:02,086 --> 00:50:08,527
I have learned the humiliation
of being that man.
669
00:50:08,527 --> 00:50:15,664
♪♪
670
00:50:15,664 --> 00:50:19,842
The Civil War freed the slaves.
671
00:50:19,842 --> 00:50:23,803
Vietnam was my civil war.
672
00:50:23,803 --> 00:50:26,849
♪♪
673
00:50:26,849 --> 00:50:32,072
It's the first place
I ever felt whole as a man.
674
00:50:32,072 --> 00:50:34,335
It's the first place in my life
675
00:50:34,335 --> 00:50:40,211
that I ever met a man
of my opposite color
676
00:50:40,211 --> 00:50:46,782
that was true to heart and soul
about life and death with me.
677
00:50:46,782 --> 00:50:51,439
♪♪
678
00:50:51,439 --> 00:50:53,702
His name was Richard.
679
00:50:53,702 --> 00:50:58,838
He's gone and been gone
since he was 19 years old.
680
00:50:58,838 --> 00:51:02,102
Was our machine gunner.
681
00:51:02,102 --> 00:51:06,454
He is that boy from Arkansas
682
00:51:06,454 --> 00:51:11,720
who taught me
of white and black love.
683
00:51:11,720 --> 00:51:17,552
Man becomes family with man
with war.
684
00:51:17,552 --> 00:51:20,294
Comradeship, we call it.
685
00:51:20,294 --> 00:51:28,911
♪♪
686
00:51:28,911 --> 00:51:36,223
During my trial of warriorship,
687
00:51:36,223 --> 00:51:40,358
my wife was 17 years old
688
00:51:40,358 --> 00:51:44,318
and pregnant
with my second pregnancy.
689
00:51:44,318 --> 00:51:49,193
♪♪
690
00:51:49,193 --> 00:51:55,503
She gave birth
in St. Albans Naval Hospital.
691
00:51:55,503 --> 00:52:00,552
And when I got back
to the United States of America,
692
00:52:00,552 --> 00:52:06,819
I had no knowledge how to handle
any of this type of a business.
693
00:52:06,819 --> 00:52:09,300
♪♪
694
00:52:09,300 --> 00:52:13,521
So when it was exposed to me
that it was twins,
695
00:52:13,521 --> 00:52:17,873
I didn't even question
where the other one was
696
00:52:17,873 --> 00:52:20,441
when they only showed me one.
697
00:52:20,441 --> 00:52:26,012
♪♪
698
00:52:26,012 --> 00:52:29,972
Now, that's a pivotal point
699
00:52:29,972 --> 00:52:34,063
because she's never
spoken to me about it.
700
00:52:34,063 --> 00:52:38,067
That's because
of our immaturity,
701
00:52:38,067 --> 00:52:40,983
our guilt with the situation.
702
00:52:40,983 --> 00:52:42,724
Everyone in the world knows
703
00:52:42,724 --> 00:52:46,815
no one wants to bury their
family on a potter's field.
704
00:52:46,815 --> 00:52:49,296
Who should have to go there?
705
00:52:49,296 --> 00:52:54,823
♪♪
706
00:52:54,823 --> 00:53:00,394
♪♪
707
00:53:00,394 --> 00:53:02,396
[Children chattering
in distance]
708
00:53:02,396 --> 00:53:05,094
♪♪
709
00:53:05,094 --> 00:53:07,880
Bradshaw: I have a family video,
710
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,404
an old one, and he's in it.
711
00:53:10,404 --> 00:53:12,450
♪♪
712
00:53:12,450 --> 00:53:14,103
And sometimes
I'll just replay that,
713
00:53:14,103 --> 00:53:18,282
just to know that he did care
at any time.
714
00:53:18,282 --> 00:53:22,024
♪♪
715
00:53:22,024 --> 00:53:26,377
You know, the things
that I remember about him,
716
00:53:26,377 --> 00:53:29,293
the majority was good things.
717
00:53:29,293 --> 00:53:32,034
♪♪
718
00:53:32,034 --> 00:53:33,862
The majority
that I remember from him
719
00:53:33,862 --> 00:53:40,782
was that he tried to be...
around and there and...
720
00:53:40,782 --> 00:53:44,308
you know, a good of a person
as he could.
721
00:53:44,308 --> 00:53:46,962
But drugs and alcohol
just took over.
722
00:53:52,141 --> 00:53:54,622
She said, "Do you think
he'd ever come around?"
723
00:53:54,622 --> 00:53:56,798
I said, "I don't know, Kim.
I don't know."
724
00:53:56,798 --> 00:53:59,497
I said, "He's always welcome
as long as he's straight.
725
00:53:59,497 --> 00:54:02,935
If he's straight,
he's more than welcome."
726
00:54:02,935 --> 00:54:07,287
[Indistinct conversations
in distance]
727
00:54:07,287 --> 00:54:09,333
Then she got to the point
where she's 16.
728
00:54:09,333 --> 00:54:12,031
"I want to see my daddy.
I really want to see him.
729
00:54:12,031 --> 00:54:15,948
Don't you think
you can find him?"
730
00:54:15,948 --> 00:54:18,037
I said, "You know what, Kim?
I'll do my best.
731
00:54:18,037 --> 00:54:20,692
I'll try to find him."
732
00:54:20,692 --> 00:54:23,042
So I called the bars
where he hung out
733
00:54:23,042 --> 00:54:24,478
and his friends hung out.
734
00:54:24,478 --> 00:54:28,526
He had one friend.
His name was Pete Torres.
735
00:54:28,526 --> 00:54:30,310
I left my phone number
with the bartender,
736
00:54:30,310 --> 00:54:32,878
and I said, "Listen, if Pete
comes in or Bruce comes in
737
00:54:32,878 --> 00:54:34,967
or any one of his friends
come in, have him call me,
738
00:54:34,967 --> 00:54:37,099
'cause Kim really,
really wants to see him.
739
00:54:37,099 --> 00:54:39,450
She wants to see her daddy."
740
00:54:39,450 --> 00:54:41,887
♪♪
741
00:54:54,378 --> 00:54:57,729
We're on Seaside Heights
when we met Bruce.
742
00:54:57,729 --> 00:55:00,558
He was happy
to see -- see Kimberly.
743
00:55:00,558 --> 00:55:04,518
He's happy to see -- see me.
744
00:55:04,518 --> 00:55:06,520
He wore long sleeves,
745
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:10,698
and she knew he was doing drugs.
746
00:55:10,698 --> 00:55:13,092
She could tell that.
747
00:55:13,092 --> 00:55:15,181
But they had -- they had
a really good time.
748
00:55:15,181 --> 00:55:17,270
He won a TV set for her.
749
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:20,882
And she was, like, ecstatic
and said, "Oh, Daddy,
750
00:55:20,882 --> 00:55:23,189
make sure you call me again.
I want to see you again.
751
00:55:23,189 --> 00:55:24,712
This is --
You know, this is good
752
00:55:24,712 --> 00:55:27,846
that we could get together."
753
00:55:27,846 --> 00:55:29,891
"I will always have him
in my life now.
754
00:55:29,891 --> 00:55:32,416
I have a connection to him.
I can call this cellphone.
755
00:55:32,416 --> 00:55:35,636
And, you know, whether --"
It didn't matter to me
756
00:55:35,636 --> 00:55:38,987
that he was a drug addict.
I just wanted him in my life.
757
00:55:38,987 --> 00:55:43,775
So the fact that it was
disconnected the next day...
758
00:55:43,775 --> 00:55:45,690
broke my heart.
759
00:55:47,692 --> 00:55:49,171
Hanson:
I think he always wanted
760
00:55:49,171 --> 00:55:51,478
to have some kind of
relationship with Kim.
761
00:55:51,478 --> 00:55:54,742
He didn't want to lose it,
but he couldn't control himself.
762
00:55:57,266 --> 00:55:59,921
He had a -- He had the devil
in him when he was born,
763
00:55:59,921 --> 00:56:03,664
I guess,
and it was hard to fight it.
764
00:56:07,146 --> 00:56:08,800
And Kim always wanted closure.
765
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:10,932
She always wanted --
She always said to me,
766
00:56:10,932 --> 00:56:13,848
from, I guess, 16
all the way until she is now,
767
00:56:13,848 --> 00:56:15,284
that she said, "I know,
768
00:56:15,284 --> 00:56:17,504
I know deep down inside,
I'll always talk to him.
769
00:56:17,504 --> 00:56:20,725
I'll always be able to tell him
my piece of this story."
770
00:56:24,032 --> 00:56:25,947
And one day,
we get a phone call,
771
00:56:25,947 --> 00:56:29,690
and the New York Times
are calling us up
772
00:56:29,690 --> 00:56:32,127
and this woman, Nina Bernstein.
773
00:56:32,127 --> 00:56:34,303
And Nina said to me,
774
00:56:34,303 --> 00:56:37,045
"Do you know -- Are you related
to Bruce Hanson?"
775
00:56:37,045 --> 00:56:39,308
I said, "Yeah,
that's my ex-husband."
776
00:56:39,308 --> 00:56:42,137
And she said, "Well, I have
to tell you something."
777
00:56:45,924 --> 00:56:47,665
Bernstein:
It was really shocking to me
778
00:56:47,665 --> 00:56:51,364
to discover
that New York state law,
779
00:56:51,364 --> 00:56:55,760
a law dating back
to the 19th century,
780
00:56:55,760 --> 00:57:01,156
required the city to offer
the bodies of unclaimed dead
781
00:57:01,156 --> 00:57:04,464
to medical schools
for dissection.
782
00:57:07,554 --> 00:57:10,688
♪♪
783
00:57:10,688 --> 00:57:14,996
I learned that there were
22 cadavers
784
00:57:14,996 --> 00:57:19,784
that were in cold storage at
Albert Einstein Medical School.
785
00:57:19,784 --> 00:57:22,961
♪♪
786
00:57:22,961 --> 00:57:25,137
You know, basically,
the-- these cadavers
787
00:57:25,137 --> 00:57:28,183
are just lent
to the medical schools.
788
00:57:28,183 --> 00:57:32,187
They are supposed to then
be returned to the city
789
00:57:32,187 --> 00:57:35,539
for what the city
considers proper burial,
790
00:57:35,539 --> 00:57:37,976
which is a Hart Island trench.
791
00:57:37,976 --> 00:57:41,806
♪♪
792
00:57:41,806 --> 00:57:46,767
I tried very hard to learn
the names of these cadavers
793
00:57:46,767 --> 00:57:51,859
because I wanted
to reclaim their stories.
794
00:57:51,859 --> 00:57:57,430
One of the last of the 22
that day was Bruce Hanson.
795
00:57:57,430 --> 00:57:59,476
♪♪
796
00:57:59,476 --> 00:58:04,481
Even though his body had been
in cold storage for three years,
797
00:58:04,481 --> 00:58:08,180
it had been on lists
sent back and forth
798
00:58:08,180 --> 00:58:11,270
between the medical school and
the medical examiner's office.
799
00:58:11,270 --> 00:58:15,143
The medical examiner's office
had not done the first thing
800
00:58:15,143 --> 00:58:18,495
in terms of
trying to find someone
801
00:58:18,495 --> 00:58:21,367
who knew Bruce Hanson
and would care.
802
00:58:21,367 --> 00:58:23,935
And it was easy.
803
00:58:23,935 --> 00:58:30,898
♪♪
804
00:58:30,898 --> 00:58:34,989
Their job is to be the last
805
00:58:34,989 --> 00:58:41,126
and most important source of
information about this person.
806
00:58:41,126 --> 00:58:45,260
♪♪
807
00:58:45,260 --> 00:58:47,088
They had his name.
808
00:58:47,088 --> 00:58:50,614
They had his name when
he first arrived to the morgue.
809
00:58:50,614 --> 00:58:53,051
They had his name
when they put him on a list
810
00:58:53,051 --> 00:58:58,186
to offer as a cadaver for
dissection at medical school.
811
00:58:58,186 --> 00:59:00,711
♪♪
812
00:59:00,711 --> 00:59:04,323
When I had the name and I did
the first basic search,
813
00:59:04,323 --> 00:59:06,194
it -- it came up immediately,
814
00:59:06,194 --> 00:59:10,459
his ex-wife in New Jersey.
815
00:59:10,459 --> 00:59:13,506
One phone call, and I had her.
816
00:59:13,506 --> 00:59:15,247
One phone call, and I was --
817
00:59:15,247 --> 00:59:18,119
She was carrying the phone
to her daughter.
818
00:59:18,119 --> 00:59:21,209
♪♪
819
00:59:21,209 --> 00:59:23,908
Hanson: Nobody called us.
I never changed my last name.
820
00:59:23,908 --> 00:59:27,085
It's still Hanson. I live
in the same state as New Jersey.
821
00:59:27,085 --> 00:59:30,305
Nina had no problem
calling me up to find out.
822
00:59:30,305 --> 00:59:37,530
♪♪
823
00:59:37,530 --> 00:59:39,401
He shouldn't have
ended up in there.
824
00:59:39,401 --> 00:59:41,490
They shouldn't allow that.
825
00:59:41,490 --> 00:59:43,710
♪♪
826
00:59:43,710 --> 00:59:47,192
And for three years being
in Albert Einstein hospital,
827
00:59:47,192 --> 00:59:51,762
just...you know, going through
their medical procedures
828
00:59:51,762 --> 00:59:55,026
for three years,
putting him in a cold box,
829
00:59:55,026 --> 00:59:56,941
pulling him out,
cutting him up, putting --
830
00:59:56,941 --> 00:59:59,160
It's awful. It's --
831
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:02,555
It's awful.
832
01:00:02,555 --> 01:00:04,513
Bradshaw:
I'm angry at how it happened.
833
01:00:04,513 --> 01:00:07,647
I'm angry with
the medical examiner,
834
01:00:07,647 --> 01:00:09,780
the hospital,
835
01:00:09,780 --> 01:00:12,217
the people, you know,
that still won't
836
01:00:12,217 --> 01:00:13,914
give me information on him.
837
01:00:13,914 --> 01:00:15,394
You know, it's my father.
838
01:00:15,394 --> 01:00:18,353
I should have a right
to know how he died.
839
01:00:18,353 --> 01:00:20,529
I'm never going to find out.
840
01:00:20,529 --> 01:00:26,187
♪♪
841
01:00:26,187 --> 01:00:31,932
♪♪
842
01:00:31,932 --> 01:00:34,413
The medical examiner's
office calling
843
01:00:34,413 --> 01:00:37,068
to find out what you know,
844
01:00:37,068 --> 01:00:39,157
the hospital not giving --
giving you a hard time
845
01:00:39,157 --> 01:00:40,767
about getting the records.
846
01:00:40,767 --> 01:00:43,596
Everybody's hiding something.
847
01:00:43,596 --> 01:00:46,425
♪♪
848
01:00:46,425 --> 01:00:48,949
So the hospital's working
with the medical examiner,
849
01:00:48,949 --> 01:00:51,125
which is working
with Hart Island.
850
01:00:51,125 --> 01:00:53,998
You know, they obviously
don't want people to know
851
01:00:53,998 --> 01:00:55,608
most of the mistakes
that they made
852
01:00:55,608 --> 01:00:59,046
or things that they just
didn't care about.
853
01:00:59,046 --> 01:01:01,658
Think about all those bums
on the street.
854
01:01:01,658 --> 01:01:05,226
You think they contacted
every single person's family?
855
01:01:05,226 --> 01:01:09,491
They throw them
probably in that island.
856
01:01:09,491 --> 01:01:11,755
[Bell clanging]
857
01:01:11,755 --> 01:01:18,109
♪♪
858
01:01:18,109 --> 01:01:20,285
Rockwell: "The wind rises in
from the sound
859
01:01:20,285 --> 01:01:23,767
carrying the clang of the bell
buoy from nearby City Island,
860
01:01:23,767 --> 01:01:27,074
tolling its fitful warning.
861
01:01:27,074 --> 01:01:30,643
All around is desolate and sad,
862
01:01:30,643 --> 01:01:33,254
no kind hand
to decorate these graves
863
01:01:33,254 --> 01:01:36,475
with trophies of love
and remembrance.
864
01:01:36,475 --> 01:01:39,086
Not even a headstone
to show where is interred
865
01:01:39,086 --> 01:01:41,349
what was once a human being."
866
01:01:41,349 --> 01:01:44,309
♪♪
867
01:01:44,309 --> 01:01:48,139
"No one that sleeps there had
a dollar to their name in life,
868
01:01:48,139 --> 01:01:51,664
few a good word said for them
after death.
869
01:01:51,664 --> 01:01:54,319
The bodies interred here
are as utterly forgotten
870
01:01:54,319 --> 01:01:59,106
and wiped away
as if they never existed.
871
01:01:59,106 --> 01:02:01,892
And yet all those festering,
rotting corpses
872
01:02:01,892 --> 01:02:05,765
which lie below here
once had hopes, ambitions,
873
01:02:05,765 --> 01:02:07,854
likes and dislikes,
874
01:02:07,854 --> 01:02:12,511
tastes, sympathies
like ourselves.
875
01:02:12,511 --> 01:02:18,212
But all that
is not even now a remembrance."
876
01:02:18,212 --> 01:02:20,214
[Bell clangs]
877
01:02:20,214 --> 01:02:29,484
♪♪
878
01:02:29,484 --> 01:02:31,356
Hunt:
You can't help but thinking
879
01:02:31,356 --> 01:02:35,664
when you look into
an empty mass grave
880
01:02:35,664 --> 01:02:38,842
about who's going
to be buried there
881
01:02:38,842 --> 01:02:42,062
and also about
your own mortality.
882
01:02:42,062 --> 01:02:45,544
♪♪
883
01:02:45,544 --> 01:02:49,330
Human beings know
that their lives are limited
884
01:02:49,330 --> 01:02:52,594
and that the reconciliation
of that
885
01:02:52,594 --> 01:02:54,727
is the shaping of a community,
886
01:02:54,727 --> 01:02:57,469
feeling that you're a member
of that community
887
01:02:57,469 --> 01:03:02,822
and that your life is extended
through that community
888
01:03:02,822 --> 01:03:05,433
beyond your own lifetime.
889
01:03:05,433 --> 01:03:15,052
♪♪
890
01:03:15,052 --> 01:03:16,531
And that's, of course,
the first thing
891
01:03:16,531 --> 01:03:18,490
that I saw
going to Hart Island,
892
01:03:18,490 --> 01:03:21,145
was that the inmates,
when they were burying the dead,
893
01:03:21,145 --> 01:03:24,539
they're saying the prayers
to themselves.
894
01:03:24,539 --> 01:03:28,065
There's a hopefulness to that,
that the -- that the people
895
01:03:28,065 --> 01:03:30,589
whose rights
are largely taken away,
896
01:03:30,589 --> 01:03:33,418
they still know how
to commemorate the dead.
897
01:03:33,418 --> 01:03:36,116
♪♪
898
01:03:36,116 --> 01:03:37,944
So we know how to do this stuff
899
01:03:37,944 --> 01:03:40,729
because it's -- it's basic
to who we are.
900
01:03:40,729 --> 01:03:44,298
And the reason we perform
those rituals
901
01:03:44,298 --> 01:03:47,954
is because we all fear
that ourlives might not matter,
902
01:03:47,954 --> 01:03:50,739
that people will forget us.
903
01:03:50,739 --> 01:03:57,137
♪♪
904
01:03:57,137 --> 01:04:00,184
The indifference that exists
905
01:04:00,184 --> 01:04:03,883
comes out of
enough people feeling
906
01:04:03,883 --> 01:04:07,800
that, "Oh, this couldn't
happen to me."
907
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:10,890
And what I've tried to show
908
01:04:10,890 --> 01:04:14,589
is, in fact,
it happens to everyone.
909
01:04:14,589 --> 01:04:18,506
♪♪
910
01:04:18,506 --> 01:04:21,945
All human remains
in New York City,
911
01:04:21,945 --> 01:04:25,949
if they are not
claimed by family,
912
01:04:25,949 --> 01:04:29,996
must be buried on Hart Island.
That's the only option.
913
01:04:29,996 --> 01:04:34,479
All human remains
go to Hart Island.
914
01:04:34,479 --> 01:04:38,787
Still, not everyone
is accounted for.
915
01:04:38,787 --> 01:04:41,834
So then what happens?
We don't know.
916
01:04:41,834 --> 01:04:50,451
♪♪
917
01:04:50,451 --> 01:04:59,112
♪♪
918
01:04:59,112 --> 01:05:07,773
♪♪
919
01:05:07,773 --> 01:05:10,515
De Jesus: New York City
is just for vacation.
920
01:05:10,515 --> 01:05:15,389
New York City is just
to come and have fun.
921
01:05:15,389 --> 01:05:20,612
New York City is not a place
to actually be living in.
922
01:05:20,612 --> 01:05:27,314
♪♪
923
01:05:27,314 --> 01:05:29,926
It's nothing.
924
01:05:29,926 --> 01:05:38,891
♪♪
925
01:05:38,891 --> 01:05:40,806
Flanzig: Hey, Katrina. So,
I wanted to bring you in today
926
01:05:40,806 --> 01:05:43,200
and talk a little bit about
where we are with the case,
927
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:45,680
and the position and arguments
the City's making
928
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:48,379
and the fight that I'm having
with the city, which continues.
929
01:05:48,379 --> 01:05:50,511
And I told them what you and I
have talked about before.
930
01:05:50,511 --> 01:05:52,644
Like, if you tell us
where the baby is,
931
01:05:52,644 --> 01:05:54,994
we'll drop the lawsuit today.
That's what this is all about.
932
01:05:54,994 --> 01:05:56,561
That's why we're
trying to find out.
933
01:05:56,561 --> 01:05:58,084
They don't believe us.
I think it's about money.
934
01:05:58,084 --> 01:06:01,522
It's not. It's about
a search for the truth.
935
01:06:01,522 --> 01:06:04,438
One of the issues
for the city here, Katrina, is
936
01:06:04,438 --> 01:06:07,702
if we establish here
that they don't know,
937
01:06:07,702 --> 01:06:10,314
there are other cases like yours
that are out there pending,
938
01:06:10,314 --> 01:06:11,706
and they don't want
to make bad law.
939
01:06:11,706 --> 01:06:13,491
They don't want
to make bad precedent.
940
01:06:13,491 --> 01:06:16,189
So the further they could
push us back and slow us down,
941
01:06:16,189 --> 01:06:19,801
the latter that those bad things
will happen to the city.
942
01:06:19,801 --> 01:06:23,501
So part of their delay is to
not let this case come to trial,
943
01:06:23,501 --> 01:06:24,850
because there are other cases
944
01:06:24,850 --> 01:06:27,505
that are going to follow
shortly behind.
945
01:06:27,505 --> 01:06:31,900
Yeah, but I feel that
they really ain't doing much
946
01:06:31,900 --> 01:06:34,425
because all they thinking
is about the money.
947
01:06:34,425 --> 01:06:38,037
Yeah.And honestly, like I said,
948
01:06:38,037 --> 01:06:39,560
I'm not doing this
for money.
949
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:43,651
I want my son back.
That's it.
950
01:06:43,651 --> 01:06:52,225
♪♪
951
01:06:52,225 --> 01:06:54,619
Flanzig: What we know right now
from the records that we have
952
01:06:54,619 --> 01:06:56,577
is that autopsy was performed.
953
01:06:56,577 --> 01:07:00,625
The body at some point
was at the morgue.
954
01:07:00,625 --> 01:07:03,019
We do have some indication
on one of the records
955
01:07:03,019 --> 01:07:05,586
that the body was released
for transport.
956
01:07:05,586 --> 01:07:07,980
At this point, we don't know
if it was transport
957
01:07:07,980 --> 01:07:10,765
to some type of medical facility
for research.
958
01:07:10,765 --> 01:07:13,507
We don't know where
that baby was released to.
959
01:07:13,507 --> 01:07:15,640
We know where the baby
was supposed to be released to,
960
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:18,077
and that's to Hart Island.
961
01:07:18,077 --> 01:07:21,037
♪♪
962
01:07:21,037 --> 01:07:23,039
Any case that I'm involved in
with the city of New York
963
01:07:23,039 --> 01:07:27,434
is always going
to take me years.
964
01:07:27,434 --> 01:07:29,001
Getting records
out of the city of New York
965
01:07:29,001 --> 01:07:31,395
requires motion after motion
after motion
966
01:07:31,395 --> 01:07:34,137
for a judge
to compel them to respond.
967
01:07:34,137 --> 01:07:35,790
They're more concerned
with security issues
968
01:07:35,790 --> 01:07:37,749
and welfare issues
and housing issues
969
01:07:37,749 --> 01:07:39,707
and all the things
that make this city
970
01:07:39,707 --> 01:07:44,147
a unique and crazy place.
971
01:07:44,147 --> 01:07:47,628
So most likely, I won't --
No matter how much we fight,
972
01:07:47,628 --> 01:07:50,414
we ain't gonna
never have an answer.I can never guarantee you
973
01:07:50,414 --> 01:07:51,937
that I'm gonna give you
an answer to that question.
974
01:07:51,937 --> 01:07:53,634
And I know that's
the most important thing to you,
975
01:07:53,634 --> 01:07:55,419
and that's been
the focus of my case,
976
01:07:55,419 --> 01:07:58,030
has always been about
getting you those answers.
977
01:07:58,030 --> 01:08:00,511
[Sighs]
978
01:08:02,556 --> 01:08:05,646
Okay. [Sniffles]
979
01:08:05,646 --> 01:08:10,086
Well, I guess we gonna
keep fighting, then.
980
01:08:10,086 --> 01:08:14,133
I need answers.
981
01:08:14,133 --> 01:08:22,010
♪♪
982
01:08:22,010 --> 01:08:26,014
De Jesus: I've been in New York
since I was 15.
983
01:08:26,014 --> 01:08:30,367
And I was never a fan
to New York.
984
01:08:30,367 --> 01:08:34,371
I came out here because
I was mandated to come over here
985
01:08:34,371 --> 01:08:36,634
with my stepmother.
986
01:08:36,634 --> 01:08:40,116
But she ended up leaving me,
so I've been by myself
987
01:08:40,116 --> 01:08:42,553
since I was 15 out here.
988
01:08:46,470 --> 01:08:48,559
It's been a rough life.
989
01:08:48,559 --> 01:08:51,127
Me being out here
has been real rough,
990
01:08:51,127 --> 01:08:56,219
'cause everybody that has come
into my life has left right out.
991
01:08:56,219 --> 01:08:57,829
Nobody stays in my life.
992
01:08:57,829 --> 01:09:01,659
The only people that stays
in my life is my kids.
993
01:09:01,659 --> 01:09:05,053
♪♪
994
01:09:05,053 --> 01:09:07,099
You know,
it bothers me a little bit,
995
01:09:07,099 --> 01:09:10,015
because the story went out
in the newspaper,
996
01:09:10,015 --> 01:09:14,715
and the comments
that they've been putting?
997
01:09:14,715 --> 01:09:18,763
Horrifying.
They really, like, put me down,
998
01:09:18,763 --> 01:09:21,026
that I'm doing
all of this for money.
999
01:09:21,026 --> 01:09:25,596
And I'm like...
1000
01:09:25,596 --> 01:09:28,599
"What money?
I didn't even ask for money."
1001
01:09:28,599 --> 01:09:35,736
♪♪
1002
01:09:35,736 --> 01:09:42,917
♪♪
1003
01:09:42,917 --> 01:09:47,618
Everybody just think
about their tax money.
1004
01:09:47,618 --> 01:09:52,275
How did I decided
to keep having kids,
1005
01:09:52,275 --> 01:09:55,626
knowing that I'm not
financially stable?
1006
01:09:55,626 --> 01:09:58,759
♪♪
1007
01:09:58,759 --> 01:10:00,500
That doesn't mean anything.
1008
01:10:00,500 --> 01:10:03,764
I'm poor,
and that's how I always been,
1009
01:10:03,764 --> 01:10:06,767
and that's how
I'm gonna keep living.
1010
01:10:06,767 --> 01:10:09,509
I'm not planning on being rich.
1011
01:10:09,509 --> 01:10:13,470
♪♪
1012
01:10:17,648 --> 01:10:20,128
[People cheering in distance]
1013
01:10:20,128 --> 01:10:22,392
[Drums playing in distance]
1014
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:28,746
Sweat: Why did my forefathers
come to Hart Island
1015
01:10:28,746 --> 01:10:31,966
to join the Union army?
1016
01:10:31,966 --> 01:10:34,491
They came for one cry --
1017
01:10:34,491 --> 01:10:39,670
to be free, equal men, period.
1018
01:10:39,670 --> 01:10:44,152
♪♪
1019
01:10:44,152 --> 01:10:48,331
And I feel very emotional
about it, because...
1020
01:10:48,331 --> 01:10:52,509
not only are the soldiers
interred here,
1021
01:10:52,509 --> 01:10:55,251
but so is my daughter.
1022
01:10:55,251 --> 01:10:57,818
I named her Aisha.
1023
01:10:57,818 --> 01:11:02,954
♪♪
1024
01:11:02,954 --> 01:11:08,481
We ponder ourselves
with many questions
1025
01:11:08,481 --> 01:11:12,093
about our daughter.
1026
01:11:12,093 --> 01:11:16,968
So we hope to bring closure
to our family
1027
01:11:16,968 --> 01:11:23,670
and to bring honor, love,
and respect to a soul
1028
01:11:23,670 --> 01:11:30,024
that we haven't had the
opportunity to honor properly
1029
01:11:30,024 --> 01:11:34,072
for almost 50 years to this day.
1030
01:11:34,072 --> 01:11:42,123
♪♪
1031
01:11:42,123 --> 01:11:47,477
To not to have touched the earth
that she's buried in,
1032
01:11:47,477 --> 01:11:51,350
it behooves me to go over there
1033
01:11:51,350 --> 01:11:55,702
to lay the first wreath
at her grave site
1034
01:11:55,702 --> 01:11:59,271
and pay my respects
to my daughter
1035
01:11:59,271 --> 01:12:02,448
who is buried on Hart Island
1036
01:12:02,448 --> 01:12:07,671
in potter's field
of the city of New York.
1037
01:12:07,671 --> 01:12:12,110
♪♪
1038
01:12:12,110 --> 01:12:16,854
Then I can continue my plight
1039
01:12:16,854 --> 01:12:22,207
to bring the honor, respect,
1040
01:12:22,207 --> 01:12:27,125
and some type
of fitting memorial statue
1041
01:12:27,125 --> 01:12:30,433
over on Hart Island
1042
01:12:30,433 --> 01:12:35,002
for these soldiers
of the Civil War.
1043
01:12:35,002 --> 01:12:43,837
♪♪
1044
01:12:43,837 --> 01:12:52,629
♪♪
1045
01:14:17,453 --> 01:14:19,498
[Indistinct conversations]
1046
01:14:23,981 --> 01:14:25,852
[Both laugh]
1047
01:14:29,769 --> 01:14:32,250
[Laughs, speaks Spanish]
1048
01:14:32,250 --> 01:14:35,209
Yeah. Sí.After a long time.
1049
01:14:35,209 --> 01:14:37,560
[Speaking Spanish]
1050
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:40,388
Very happy to be here.
1051
01:14:40,388 --> 01:14:42,086
[Speaking Spanish]
1052
01:14:42,086 --> 01:14:44,741
Thank you very much.
1053
01:14:44,741 --> 01:14:47,831
Thank you. Thank you
for sharing your story.
1054
01:14:47,831 --> 01:14:50,050
[Translating into Spanish]I think it was very important.
1055
01:14:50,050 --> 01:14:52,139
[Laughs]So here you are.
1056
01:15:07,067 --> 01:15:09,374
[Indistinct conversations]
1057
01:15:17,513 --> 01:15:24,084
♪♪
1058
01:15:24,084 --> 01:15:30,700
♪♪
1059
01:16:16,267 --> 01:16:21,489
♪♪
1060
01:16:36,330 --> 01:16:41,640
♪♪
1061
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:47,037
♪♪
1062
01:16:47,037 --> 01:16:50,214
Bernstein: The most satisfying
part of this reporting
1063
01:16:50,214 --> 01:16:54,435
has been that,
armed with knowledge,
1064
01:16:54,435 --> 01:16:57,395
people can change the ending.
1065
01:16:57,395 --> 01:16:59,658
Hi. Hello. How are you?Ferrer: Hello. Buenos dias.
1066
01:16:59,658 --> 01:17:01,704
How are you?
Come on in.
1067
01:17:01,704 --> 01:17:03,357
Gracias.
1068
01:17:03,357 --> 01:17:06,926
How are you?
1069
01:17:06,926 --> 01:17:12,192
This wasn't an investigation
where you got a smoking gun
1070
01:17:12,192 --> 01:17:14,064
and you could go
for the jugular.
1071
01:17:14,064 --> 01:17:16,762
This is the one bad guy.
1072
01:17:16,762 --> 01:17:20,331
It's just not like that.
1073
01:17:20,331 --> 01:17:25,771
Yes, there's some guardians
who really didn't do their job.
1074
01:17:25,771 --> 01:17:30,297
And the medical examiner's
office systemically
1075
01:17:30,297 --> 01:17:35,433
is not doing a proper job
in many of these cases.
1076
01:17:35,433 --> 01:17:38,044
♪♪
1077
01:17:38,044 --> 01:17:40,960
Many factors have led
to this place,
1078
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:46,183
and it's really embedded
in the -- in a lot of history.
1079
01:17:46,183 --> 01:17:52,711
But to have a city this modern,
this cosmopolitan
1080
01:17:52,711 --> 01:17:56,497
that still buries
the unclaimed dead
1081
01:17:56,497 --> 01:18:00,240
the way Jacob Riis recorded
1082
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:03,461
in the 19th century
1083
01:18:03,461 --> 01:18:06,594
just doesn't make sense.
1084
01:18:06,594 --> 01:18:08,640
♪♪
1085
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:11,382
It's archaic, it's bizarre,
1086
01:18:11,382 --> 01:18:17,693
and yet it also represents
a truth about America,
1087
01:18:17,693 --> 01:18:21,653
about the Western world,
perhaps,
1088
01:18:21,653 --> 01:18:26,092
that this tremendous inequality
not only still exists,
1089
01:18:26,092 --> 01:18:29,617
but has -- has widened.
1090
01:18:29,617 --> 01:18:35,275
♪♪
1091
01:18:35,275 --> 01:18:36,973
Hanson: I mean, I wish life
would have turned around.
1092
01:18:36,973 --> 01:18:39,062
I wish the rehabs
would have worked.
1093
01:18:39,062 --> 01:18:41,412
I wish he would have
kept the family,
1094
01:18:41,412 --> 01:18:43,327
because we all still loved him.
1095
01:18:43,327 --> 01:18:46,286
He couldn't help what he --
what he turned out to be.
1096
01:18:48,288 --> 01:18:50,595
She always felt that sorrow
in her heart,
1097
01:18:50,595 --> 01:18:53,119
like, "Did I do that?"
No, you didn't do that, Kim.
1098
01:18:53,119 --> 01:18:56,819
It was him doing that. It had
nothing to do with you at all,
1099
01:18:56,819 --> 01:18:59,735
because he did love you.
1100
01:18:59,735 --> 01:19:02,650
He did love her. He did.
1101
01:19:09,309 --> 01:19:11,181
Bradshaw:
My worry about having a child
1102
01:19:11,181 --> 01:19:15,141
is that I will -- I will
give my child my issues.
1103
01:19:15,141 --> 01:19:17,143
I don't want to --
1104
01:19:17,143 --> 01:19:22,235
I don't want to screw up
my child like I was.
1105
01:19:22,235 --> 01:19:24,716
[Children chattering
in distance]
1106
01:19:24,716 --> 01:19:28,589
♪♪
1107
01:19:28,589 --> 01:19:32,158
There will always be emptiness.
1108
01:19:32,158 --> 01:19:34,465
I'll never feel complete.
1109
01:19:34,465 --> 01:19:37,337
♪♪
1110
01:19:37,337 --> 01:19:40,514
I could have just told him...
1111
01:19:40,514 --> 01:19:45,606
how I felt and how he destroyed
a lot of my life,
1112
01:19:45,606 --> 01:19:49,567
because he did.
1113
01:19:49,567 --> 01:19:52,875
And, of course,
I wanted something from him.
1114
01:19:52,875 --> 01:19:57,880
I wanted something--
a reason why or that he's sorry
1115
01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:02,449
or something, like,
a little inch of him caring,
1116
01:20:02,449 --> 01:20:04,538
which I'll never get.
1117
01:20:04,538 --> 01:20:08,020
So...it sucks.
1118
01:20:08,020 --> 01:20:15,593
♪♪
1119
01:20:15,593 --> 01:20:23,253
♪♪
1120
01:20:23,253 --> 01:20:25,255
Sante:
New York still has the draw.
1121
01:20:25,255 --> 01:20:27,605
It's still a name
to conjure with.
1122
01:20:27,605 --> 01:20:29,912
It still sounds a musical note
1123
01:20:29,912 --> 01:20:33,132
to people in some distant
part of the world.
1124
01:20:33,132 --> 01:20:40,139
♪♪
1125
01:20:40,139 --> 01:20:41,445
New York is distinct.
1126
01:20:41,445 --> 01:20:44,535
New York has always
gone its own way.
1127
01:20:44,535 --> 01:20:47,451
[Indistinct conversations]
1128
01:20:47,451 --> 01:20:51,977
New York has
its own bitter humor...
1129
01:20:51,977 --> 01:20:54,458
♪♪
1130
01:20:54,458 --> 01:20:59,245
...its own kind of culture,
its own kind of literacy.
1131
01:20:59,245 --> 01:21:03,467
New York is not sentimental,
because the city does not care.
1132
01:21:03,467 --> 01:21:06,165
The city does not
care about you.
1133
01:21:06,165 --> 01:21:10,909
♪♪
1134
01:21:10,909 --> 01:21:13,346
That is one of the attractions
of New York City, of course,
1135
01:21:13,346 --> 01:21:16,480
is that it's this monster
you have to fight.
1136
01:21:16,480 --> 01:21:19,439
♪♪
1137
01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:22,616
You have to actually
wrestle with the city
1138
01:21:22,616 --> 01:21:28,057
in order to just get the very
basic necessities of life.
1139
01:21:28,057 --> 01:21:34,454
♪♪
1140
01:21:34,454 --> 01:21:36,456
And so the idea of the city
1141
01:21:36,456 --> 01:21:38,981
having something
on its conscience,
1142
01:21:38,981 --> 01:21:42,201
this is a rather
small blot, frankly.
1143
01:21:42,201 --> 01:21:47,424
I mean, with all honor
to the dead, they aredead.
1144
01:21:47,424 --> 01:21:53,865
♪♪
1145
01:21:53,865 --> 01:22:00,393
♪♪
1146
01:22:00,393 --> 01:22:03,614
Levine: I think that the city
has always wanted to forget
1147
01:22:03,614 --> 01:22:05,007
about Hart Island.
1148
01:22:05,007 --> 01:22:06,312
The city has wanted to forget
1149
01:22:06,312 --> 01:22:08,532
about the people
who are buried there.
1150
01:22:08,532 --> 01:22:09,925
It's wanted to forget
about the fact
1151
01:22:09,925 --> 01:22:12,188
that there is
a potter's field,
1152
01:22:12,188 --> 01:22:16,192
that there is a place where
difficult stories are hidden.
1153
01:22:16,192 --> 01:22:23,286
♪♪
1154
01:22:23,286 --> 01:22:24,852
New York City is celebrated
1155
01:22:24,852 --> 01:22:28,204
as the place where anyone
can achieve their dreams,
1156
01:22:28,204 --> 01:22:32,251
but those dreams haven't
been achieved by everyone.
1157
01:22:32,251 --> 01:22:39,215
♪♪
1158
01:22:39,215 --> 01:22:41,826
It's true of people
toiling away,
1159
01:22:41,826 --> 01:22:43,697
digging out the tunnels
for subways
1160
01:22:43,697 --> 01:22:46,352
or building our skyscrapers.
1161
01:22:46,352 --> 01:22:48,572
♪♪
1162
01:22:48,572 --> 01:22:50,922
It's true of people
who have wound up homeless
1163
01:22:50,922 --> 01:22:53,359
or because a society
shunned them,
1164
01:22:53,359 --> 01:22:56,058
as happened during
the AIDS epidemic.
1165
01:22:56,058 --> 01:22:59,365
♪♪
1166
01:22:59,365 --> 01:23:02,238
Those stories might not
be flattering to tell.
1167
01:23:02,238 --> 01:23:04,718
Even more, it might tell us
things about our present
1168
01:23:04,718 --> 01:23:07,025
that we'd rather not face.
1169
01:23:07,025 --> 01:23:12,335
♪♪
1170
01:23:12,335 --> 01:23:16,252
But we owe it to the people
who have been buried there
1171
01:23:16,252 --> 01:23:20,343
and are being buried there
to bring their stories to light.
1172
01:23:20,343 --> 01:23:24,434
♪♪
1173
01:23:24,434 --> 01:23:29,265
Crowley: So, my bill to move the
jurisdiction of Hart Island --
1174
01:23:29,265 --> 01:23:31,919
I believe that we're at a place
where we could finally --
1175
01:23:31,919 --> 01:23:34,096
The momentum is growing
1176
01:23:34,096 --> 01:23:38,883
to make Hart Island a public
place that is not forgotten.
1177
01:23:38,883 --> 01:23:41,712
♪♪
1178
01:23:41,712 --> 01:23:44,932
One million New Yorkers
who built this city,
1179
01:23:44,932 --> 01:23:47,979
who made this city
the city that it is today,
1180
01:23:47,979 --> 01:23:50,242
they should not be forgotten.
1181
01:23:50,242 --> 01:23:54,594
They need a better space
to be resting in.
1182
01:23:54,594 --> 01:24:02,472
♪♪
1183
01:24:02,472 --> 01:24:10,262
♪♪
1184
01:24:10,262 --> 01:24:18,096
♪♪
1185
01:24:18,096 --> 01:24:21,926
Hey.Hey! [Laughs]
1186
01:24:21,926 --> 01:24:26,235
[Laughing]
1187
01:24:26,235 --> 01:24:28,150
[Speaking Spanish]
1188
01:24:48,605 --> 01:24:50,346
[All speaking Spanish]
1189
01:24:56,743 --> 01:25:05,970
♪♪
1190
01:25:05,970 --> 01:25:15,240
♪♪
1191
01:25:27,818 --> 01:25:32,344
♪♪
1192
01:25:52,277 --> 01:25:54,714
[All speaking Spanish]
1193
01:26:13,951 --> 01:26:23,526
♪♪
1194
01:26:23,526 --> 01:26:33,057
♪♪
1195
01:26:33,057 --> 01:26:42,632
♪♪
1196
01:26:42,632 --> 01:26:52,207
♪♪
1197
01:26:56,602 --> 01:27:04,131
♪♪
1198
01:27:04,131 --> 01:27:11,704
♪♪
1199
01:27:11,704 --> 01:27:19,234
♪♪
1200
01:27:19,234 --> 01:27:26,806
♪♪
1201
01:27:30,114 --> 01:27:40,080
♪♪
1202
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:50,047
♪♪
1203
01:27:50,047 --> 01:28:00,013
♪♪
1204
01:28:00,013 --> 01:28:09,980
♪♪
1205
01:28:09,980 --> 01:28:19,946
♪♪
1206
01:28:19,946 --> 01:28:29,913
♪♪
1207
01:28:29,913 --> 01:28:39,879
♪♪
1208
01:28:39,879 --> 01:28:49,889
♪♪
1209
01:28:49,889 --> 01:28:59,856
♪♪
1210
01:28:59,856 --> 01:29:09,866
♪♪
1211
01:29:09,866 --> 01:29:19,832
♪♪
1212
01:29:19,832 --> 01:29:29,799
♪♪
1213
01:29:29,799 --> 01:29:39,765
♪♪
1214
01:29:39,765 --> 01:29:49,688
♪♪
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