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[dramatic music]
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-[Janis] Do you think this is navy? -[woman] No.
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[man] I would say it is, actually, yeah.
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[Janis] Jesus, really?
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-[woman chuckles] -Yeah.
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No, honest to God, I think it's black.
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Never would I have said navy.
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I think Lucy recognized that there were chimps
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and that chimps were a different category,
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but I don't think she put herself in that other category.
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I think she saw herself as a human.
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[gentle piano music]
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I was 25 when I first met Lucy.
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I was a graduate student at the University of Oklahoma.
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[crowd cheering]
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Norman was a really nice little university town.
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-[crowd cheering] -[gentle orchestral music]
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I was really happy there,
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working in the primate studies group
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that had many chimps,
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and we used those chimps in our research.
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[narrator] This animal study complex
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is where chimpanzees are being taught to communicate
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with the same sign language used by deaf persons.
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[gentle orchestral music]
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-[audience reacting] -[Johnny Carson] Aww.
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[audience laughing]
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Oh, excuse me, I don't mean to laugh at your face,
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it's a very sweet face.
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[Janis] I was just looking for some part-time work
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to help put myself through school.
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I thought it was appropriate
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that it would have something to do with chimps.
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[upbeat dramatic music]
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She had a little bit of a reputation of being aggressive.
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[upbeat dramatic music]
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I had already heard the story
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about her jumping through a glass window
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at the previous person who had had the job
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that I was going to apply for.
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[Janis sighs]
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Before we can go any further,
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there are a few rules about this job
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that we have to make clear.
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We know that you would have had--
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[Janis] Jane and Maury both made it crystal clear to me
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that this job was not to get to know Lucy,
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that if I thought it was something like that,
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I was in the wrong place.
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You would be here to clean Lucy's cage and to feed her.
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That is all.
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We cannot allow any physical contact with Lucy
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such as leaning against her cage
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or putting fingers through the wires
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because she is dangerous.
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[cage clatters]
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There wasn't any niceties in her greeting with me.
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-[cage clatters] -[Lucy chattering]
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I would say she was formidable.
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-Our little girl... -[Lucy chattering aggressively]
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will be fine.
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[Lucy chattering aggressively]
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[Janis] If she'd had physical contact with me,
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she definitely would have put me in my place.
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She would have mashed me down there.
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[gentle orchestral music]
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[Maurice] Well, she was born at a roadside zoo in Florida
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where the main attractions were chimps
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they trained to box with humans.
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Jane went down to collect her
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when she was only two days old.
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The mother was fed some Coca Cola,
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spiked with a strong tranquilizer
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and when she'd fallen into a deep sleep,
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the baby was taken from her arms and handed to Jane...
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who named her Lucy.
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They flew home on a commercial airline
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and covered by a blanket,
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Lucy slept the whole way on Jane's shoulder.
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And once Lucy got home, our scientific adventure began.
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[cheerful orchestral music]
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Being so young, she couldn't have learned
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any animal behavior from her real mom.
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We wondered how chimp would she turn out to be...
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...or how human.
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Would she be well-behaved or rebellious?
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Clever or stupid?
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What human emotions would she have?
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Would she, perhaps, be able to tell us that she loves us?
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[Janis] I very rarely had contact with the Temerlins.
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95% of my time, when I was there, no one was there.
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There was always a note left for me on the table.
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Oh, clean this, do that, Lucy's gonna have this for lunch.
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It was just a normal list that probably a maid would have
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or somebody that was taking care of your kids for you.
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Lucy had been part of the sign language project
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and she had 120 words in her vocabulary.
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-[cage rattling] -[Lucy chattering]
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She did try communicating with me...
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...but my sign language was not up to the point
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where I could understand.
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Um...
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I mean, I had some isolated words.
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You scared?
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Blanket. Hungry.
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Apple. Food.
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Oh. [sighs]
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But I couldn't really put them together.
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Um...
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Lucy was pretty well-known
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in the sign language world.
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She was a very precise signer.
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She was a little bit of a perfectionist.
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Okay, slow.
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So when I asked her to repeat it...
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...you know, she'd kinda like roll her eyes
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like I was really dumb.
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She was very arrogant.
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Just very, um, condescending.
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And then I called my major professor.
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[professor] So she's saying Lucy is cold.
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Lucy wants a hot cup of tea.
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[Janis] Oh.
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[gentle orchestral music]
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[Maurice] Raising Lucy,
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we've given her every human comfort possible.
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After eight hours' sleep
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on a king-sized Beautyrest mattress,
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she'll have breakfast of coffee, oatmeal with raisins
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and a glass of orange Tang.
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[Jane laughs]
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Sometimes we'll drive around town, going to Dairy Queen
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and one time, we went to a drive-in movie
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that was playing Planet of the Apes.
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Lucy paid no attention whatsoever.
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[gentle orchestral music]
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In the evenings,
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she'll sit around studying herself
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with her favorite mirror...
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...and occasionally fix a gin and tonic,
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squeezing the lime with her teeth.
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[gentle orchestral music]
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Although raised human,
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Lucy still shows some natural behavior.
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She grooms us...
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...the way chimps in Africa do.
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Her way of saying that we're special.
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It's as important that we groom her back...
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...solidifying the bonds between all of us.
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It wasn't long before Lucy
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was no longer our experimental subject...
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...but our daughter...
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...and we were all a family.
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[Janis] On the day-to-day basis that I saw her,
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I just accepted everything was on Lucy's terms
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and I never knew what was gonna happen.
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[Lucy chattering]
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Very gradually, she started making movements...
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[playful orchestral music]
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...as if she wanted to groom me.
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I knew this was a no-no.
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Maury and Jane had said, "Do not lean against there,
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she will grab you."
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Many people who study chimps
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have lost joints of their fingers.
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[Lucy chattering]
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I remember thinking,
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"Do I trust my own judgment right now,
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or do I do what they say?"
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[playful orchestral music]
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I must have just decided I was gonna go with it.
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Then when she asked me to groom her,
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it was a very special moment for me...
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...and had nothing to do with theories of psychology
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or learning or anything.
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It was our moment.
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Sure, I was cleaning up shit in the cage,
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but I also was getting to know Lucy.
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[gentle orchestral music]
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[Lucy chattering]
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It was exciting me just the little bit that I got.
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I cherished it for what it was as long as I could
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because I assumed, once Jane and Maury knew about it,
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I would be fired.
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[gentle orchestral music]
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[crickets chirping]
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[static buzzing]
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[distorted theme music]
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Dr. Temerlin's book, Lucy: Growing Up Human
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is indeed, a fascinating study.
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It's a definite first, isn't it, Doctor?
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I think so, never done this long,
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to raise the chimp past sexual maturity,
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starting so early.
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[static buzzes]
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[Jane] Lucy, give me my glasses.
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Lucy,
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give me my glasses.
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Give me my glasses.
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[Maurice] Hormones have changed Lucy.
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[Jane] Leave that alone, please.
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[Maurice] She regularly turns our living room
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into pure chaos within minutes.
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-[upbeat music] -[Lucy chattering]
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And if she gets our keys,
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she can easily select the right one
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to open the door and escape.
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[Jane] Lucy, where are you going?
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Won't you come back in here, please?
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[Maurice] One time, she was eventually
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discovered going through the neighbor's refrigerator.
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Come on, Lucy, sit down here and have breakfast,
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come on.
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Come on, Luc.
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When Lucy comes into estrous,
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when a wild chimp is ready to mate,
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she shows interest in any human male outside the family.
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It started affecting her social life
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because friends and family
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have become intimidated by her size and strength.
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[upbeat music]
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[cow moos]
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Most have stopped visiting all together.
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[upbeat music]
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[interviewer] We have only a few more moments.
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Why did you do this and do you think you've missed anything
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as a result of concentrating so heavily,
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your life, your family life, with a chimp?
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I think Lucy may have missed something,
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not knowing chimpanzees, but I don't think we have.
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[Janis] The grooming sessions between us
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became a regular event
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and it was kind of a norm for Lucy and a norm for me.
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There was this overwhelming fear
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that I was gonna have to tell Maury and Jane
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that I couldn't keep this a secret forever.
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So the best thing for me to do was be upfront and tell them.
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[door closes]
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Maurice, there's something
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I've been wanting to tell you about Lucy.
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It was much easier to talk to Maury
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about what I'd done than Jane.
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I mean definitely, it wouldn't have been Jane
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to discuss this with.
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[Janis] I'm really sorry that this has happened
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and I hope that you won't think I've been disrespectful to you.
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[Janis] He listened to me without interrupting,
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without saying a word.
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But please don't fire me, I really wanna keep the job.
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He said that he was surprised,
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happily surprised, and then he said--
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Do you wanna meet her outside the cage?
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[Janis] I never dreamed that he would say something like that.
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I mean, grooming through the wire,
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that is totally different
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than a face-to-face with an adult chimp.
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I'll be right there, so if anything starts to go wrong,
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I'll put Lucy right back into the cage.
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It'll all be fine.
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I don't know.
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[Janis] I never thought that there was
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anything positive to come of this.
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I don't know.
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He just talked me into it.
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-[cage rattling] -[Lucy chattering]
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Maury did nothing that he promised that he was gonna do.
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[Lucy shrieking]
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I was scared to death.
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I couldn't breath because her mouth was covering mine.
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All I could do is pray that it wasn't gonna go any further.
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[Lucy panting]
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And then she sat to the side, panting,
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and really frantically grooming me.
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I think she was very excited by the opportunity
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for us to have full physical contact.
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-[quiet chattering] -[gentle music]
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[laughs]
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She was happy, she was really happy.
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[dog barks]
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I became the friend from outside of the nuclear family.
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And she brought me in.
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It was at a time in her emotional development
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that she needed more than just her mom and dad all the time.
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One day when I went to work, there was a note.
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In all the months that I'd been there,
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there had never been a request to see me, never.
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The last few years have been difficult for us.
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Having to put our daughter into a cage...
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[Janis] Maury's the one that did the talking.
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He spoke very emotionally
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about what they had been going through with Lucy.
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[clattering]
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[Maurice] Fully grown,
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Lucy has become unpredictable around strangers.
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[object clatters]
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[Jane] No no, no, no, no no, sit down.
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[Maurice] Lucy, sit down.
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Lucy, sit down right here.
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-Lucy-- -Lucy, sit down.
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[Lucy chattering]
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[Maurice] Recently, she bit someone and threatened others.
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Is this her nature, overtaking our nurture?
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We no longer go anywhere there could be people.
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And she's spending more and more time in her cage.
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Growing up, we gave Lucy a loving family home...
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...but it's now an impossible place
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for her to live as an adult.
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Jane and I have had to make
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one of the toughest decisions of our lives...
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...to find Lucy a new home...
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...one where she doesn't have her freedoms taken away
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and can be her own person.
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It'll mean losing our daughter.
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But it's the best thing for Lucy.
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They were in a predicament of their own making
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and they were fully aware of it,
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but at the time that they brought Lucy home
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and conceptualization of this program,
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I don't think that anyone knew the downside of it.
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I know they didn't.
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We've been searching all over Europe and the U.S.
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to find her a new home,
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but nothing has even come close to being good enough.
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[Janis] He recounted all the pros and cons of each place.
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Nothing was satisfactory.
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And then his whole demeanor changed.
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He got a little bit of a sparkle back in his eyes
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and he said that they had heard about a project.
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That takes chimpanzees and teaches them
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how to live in the wild.
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And so, we're taking Lucy to Africa.
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[Janis] It kind of hit me,
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gee, Lucy's gonna go all the way to Africa?
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And it just seemed so far-fetched
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and so out of left field.
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[Maurice] We're gonna go over with her to settle her in
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and we want you to come with us too.
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It was a real shock to me, a big shock to me.
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Um...
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I had never been to Africa.
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It wasn't on my list of places to go either.
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But there was no way that I could say no.
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I needed to go to give Lucy the support.
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[dramatic music]
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Maury and Jane were gonna stay for two weeks,
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and I would stay one week after they left.
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Packing for the trip, everything was about Lucy.
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I was overloaded with dry fruit,
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her mirror [laughs]
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and all of her stuff was priority.
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I took a couple of outfits to wear,
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three paperback books,
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and I feel like I had a flute.
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I do recall one of the cabin attendants coming up
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and saying that people in first class
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were hearing Lucy screaming.
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I think she thought that she was enhancing our journey
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by telling us that, but I just can imagine
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Maury and Jane, for sure, would not wanna hear that.
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[dramatic orchestral music]
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[Man] Here, in the Gambia, West Africa,
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is the Abuko Nature Reserve where captive chimpanzees,
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both young and adult, are being returned to the wild.
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[birds chirping]
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[gentle music]
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[animals chattering]
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[Jane] No one had taken a chimp
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that had been born in the States
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and taken it back to the wild,
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and particularly one that had been deprived
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of growing up with chimpanzees.
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The hope was that she would be free,
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she would be part of a chimpanzee community
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and bond with them,
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but many, many steps and many, many hazards
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between the idea and the reality of that.
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[Janis] They had found an option
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that they felt had high risks,
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but you know, if it worked, it was paradise
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and that's what they wanted for her.
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And so that's the road that they took,
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but it doesn't mean that it was an easy road for them.
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Often they couldn't speak.
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Words couldn't come out even if they wanted to
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because, you know, the emotion was all the way up to there.
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And I'm sure they were counting the days
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until the final goodbye.
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[gentle music]
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[Jane] We were saying goodbye to a daughter.
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She was a very intimate part of our lives for over a decade.
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A long time.
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[gentle music]
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Maury and I were going to leave
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and we said, as we always did, "Goodnight, Lucy."
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And she said her goodnight,
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which was a lovely low, soft panting.
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It was a loving goodbye, it was.
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She didn't realize she wouldn't see us in the morning,
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but we did.
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I can still hear that.
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[low, soft panting]
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[Janis] Lucy had a million physical reasons
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for being depressed
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and then she had the whopping emotional one
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of, "What in the world am I doing here?"
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"What is this about, where is Maury and Jane?"
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And I had no way to explain this to Lucy.
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[Lucy chattering]
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So, I mean, why act like life is great?
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It wasn't for her.
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[quiet music]
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She didn't have any friends,
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she was clearly dependent on me.
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So I extended by two weeks...
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...and still, she was not giving indicators
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that we were even moving in the right direction on this.
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Not long after that, I remember...
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...setting my last extension to three months.
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After that, I really had to get moving
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with my own life's plans because
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I had an assistantship at the university, I was teaching.
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I had a dog.
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I had a boyfriend.
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So that was to be the final decision.
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Not long after that, finances became an issue.
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And I moved from the hotel...
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...into a tree house in the Abuko Nature Reserve.
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I think everyone had the expectation
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that I knew what I was getting myself into
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and that I had experience.
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But I didn't know anything.
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I don't think I ever really used matches before
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that I can remember.
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Everything was always electricity.
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A lot of things that I didn't even think about
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until I was presented with a situation.
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It never even occurred to me that there was no water.
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But the strong point was,
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I was gonna be 100 meters away from Lucy...
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...and I could be going back and forth at great ease.
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[Lucy chattering]
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She lost tremendous amounts of weight,
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mostly because of parasites,
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and started to lose patches of hair.
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I think a lot of it had to do with
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the unfamiliarity of the food and the climate.
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She was just like barely hanging on.
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Lucy only had me and her memories.
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So I tried to stay with her as long as I could.
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And we would play these little games
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where I would go Lucy's nose, Janis' nose,
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Lucy's ear, Janis' ear, and you know,
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she would sit there very in tune with what I was doing
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and concentrating like it was the most important thing to her.
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[gentle music]
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And I became the focal point for her social contact
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and she was, for me.
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[gentle music]
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I think that we began to know each other
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as people during that era.
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There was no more chimpanzee, human...
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...it was Janis and Lucy.
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[Jane] It was clear, at that point,
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this is gonna be a much longer,
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much more difficult task than any of us imagined.
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A growing understanding of what I'm asking of her...
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...to give up her life in the States
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and the path that she was on
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and stay there under those circumstances.
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I pleaded with her to come back.
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But she was steadfast.
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She wouldn't do it.
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[Janis] I wasn't even aware
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of the depth of my feeling for Lucy
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until I was faced with the question,
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was I able to leave her in that kind of a situation?
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Or did I have an allegiance
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to my love for her to stay with her?
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Which, that's what I decided to do.
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[announcer] Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom.
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Our special report today takes us to the Gambia
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where the fundamental elements of survival,
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which were never learned by these chimps,
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are being taught to them now
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in a very comprehensive program by Janis Carter.
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[energetic music]
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They must be taught the essential skills
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such as how to find food and water,
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how to recognize and avoid predators,
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and even how to communicate with another chimpanzee.
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I wasn't a professional, nobody had taught me how to do it.
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It was just trial and error,
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learning whatever I thought a chimp would have done,
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I would try to do that myself.
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[grunting]
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Already, Dash has reacted to my food grunting
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and has accepted the idea of this new food source.
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When I took the smaller chimps out,
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I would take a bag with me
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and I would collect extra
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and I would take it back for Lucy.
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She couldn't go out of the cage
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because she was much too large and potentially dangerous.
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And tourists walked through this reserve.
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The idea was, it would be a gradual transition
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from a diet that she was familiar with and that she liked
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to a diet that she would be eating in the wild.
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-[Lucy chattering] -Mm.
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But even with me eating it,
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and giving really exaggerated food grunts
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like I just loved it...
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...she would pretend like it wasn't there.
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She just wasn't willing to try and
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my concerns that, you know, the next stage was gonna be
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the real world for Lucy and what was that going to be like
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if she couldn't even adjust at this stage.
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-[birds chirping] -[gentle music]
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[door closes]
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I knew that this was the next step in the whole process,
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but I really loved Abuko.
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I couldn't imagine leaving this beautiful Garden of Eden
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to go up to this wild area.
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It frightened me, it really did scare me.
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[man] While the majority of the journey is by Land Rover,
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the final stage is by boat, handled by the director of
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Gambia's Wildlife Conservation Department, Eddie Brewer.
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[Janis] I was dropped off, alone,
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and initially, I didn't even have a boat...
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...and not a radio, nothing.
530
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,000
I felt abandoned then.
531
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:37,000
-[birds chirping] -[animals chittering]
532
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:41,000
But I couldn't really show this in front of the chimps
533
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,000
because I was supposed to be the brave one
534
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,000
and I was the leader,
535
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,000
but I did not know what we were doing.
536
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,000
[chimps chittering]
537
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,000
We were gonna be in a world that we didn't know...
538
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:03,000
...that we had to begin to get to know together.
539
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:08,000
[energetic, dramatic music]
540
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:14,000
There's always something spiritual about a forest.
541
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:18,000
Sometimes my skin gets kind of tingly,
542
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,000
depending on what I'm walking through.
543
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:28,000
The periphery of the island was gallery forest.
544
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,000
[dramatic music]
545
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:36,000
Then there was woodland savanna and the interior was swamp.
546
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,000
[dramatic music]
547
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,000
I had snakes around me all the time,
548
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:50,000
a lot of cobras and puff adders.
549
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,000
-[dramatic music] -[chimps chittering]
550
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,000
There were hippos and there were hyenas
551
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,000
on the island as well.
552
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:08,000
Well, I don't think anyone told me about the leopards.
553
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,000
I had a cage that had been constructed
554
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,000
by the British Army.
555
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,000
It wasn't for me to be protected from the environment,
556
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:27,000
it was so that my things could be protected from the chimps.
557
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,000
In the beginning, it was a bed,
558
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,000
a mosquito net,
559
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:46,000
the gas burner for heating water and cooking,
560
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:47,000
which I rarely did.
561
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,000
It didn't occur to me that I should have filtered water.
562
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,000
I would just take water from the river and then
563
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,000
the dirt would settle down to the bottom
564
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,000
and that's what I drank.
565
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,000
[flies buzzing]
566
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,000
One time was a rat
567
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,000
and I had been drinking out of that bucket.
568
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:23,000
[insects chirping]
569
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:32,000
At night, the chimps, they were going to sleep outside,
570
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,000
I was going to sleep inside.
571
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:51,000
But they wanted to be as close as they possibly could to me,
572
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:55,000
so they slept on the roof, just above my bed.
573
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:02,000
-[animals shrieking] -[cage rattling]
574
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,000
For all of us, there were a lot of vocalizations
575
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,000
that we hadn't heard in Abuko.
576
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:23,000
[animals shrieking]
577
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,000
Every time there was some foreign sound
578
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,000
that woke them up,
579
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:32,000
they would immediately urinate or defecate.
580
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,000
[animals shrieking]
581
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,000
And it would come down on my bed.
582
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:38,000
There was no way that I could stop them.
583
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:43,000
I just had to accept that this is the way it was going to be.
584
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:48,000
[chimps chittering]
585
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:54,000
I did think to myself, "Jesus, what am I doing?"
586
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,000
[animals shrieking]
587
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:12,000
I did advertise for somebody to come to work for me.
588
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:18,000
And a couple of people answered.
589
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:24,000
Neither one of the people ever even got out of the boat
590
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,000
on the jetty, the chimps just went nuts.
591
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:31,000
[gentle music]
592
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,000
This was a stranger to our little world
593
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,000
and they didn't want anyone there at all.
594
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:45,000
That left me alone,
595
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,000
completely alone with them.
596
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:55,000
There was no one that could kinda take over in my absence.
597
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,000
There was no way that I could even think about going away
598
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,000
for an extended period of time.
599
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,000
It was emotionally difficult.
600
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:33,000
-[chimps shrieking] -[cage rattling]
601
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:39,000
[typewriter clicking]
602
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,000
I suppose part of what made it harder
603
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:46,000
was that I didn't have anyone to confer with.
604
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,000
Everything was on me and my gut.
605
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:59,000
In terms of written communication,
606
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:04,000
it could be six months before I would get a response
607
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:09,000
with the feedback from someone to reassure me that, "Yes,
608
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,000
you're doing the right thing."
609
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,000
[typewriter clanks]
610
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,000
[Jane] She was clear about the struggles.
611
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,000
She was clear about how hard it was.
612
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,000
You know, waiting for every letter from her.
613
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,000
What's going to be next?
614
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,000
Is Lucy gonna be hurt? Is Lucy gonna be sick?
615
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,000
How about Janis,
616
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,000
is she going to be overwhelmed by what she's dealing with?
617
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:45,000
I worried about her health and her well-being every day,
618
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:46,000
every day.
619
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,000
[typewriter clanks]
620
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,000
[typewriter clicking]
621
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:06,000
[birds chirping]
622
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:13,000
[Janis] The others were okay.
623
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,000
I knew that they would make it.
624
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,000
They would forage, they would go off together.
625
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,000
[dramatic music]
626
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,000
But Lucy was a different case altogether.
627
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:44,000
Well, Lucy's smart enough to respond to modeling behavior
628
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,000
and she knew what I was trying to do.
629
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,000
[Janis] Lucy,
630
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,000
food, get.
631
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,000
[Janis] She just wasn't gonna bend an inch,
632
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,000
it seemed like, and forage for herself.
633
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:04,000
[Janis] Lucy, food, get.
634
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:09,000
Her accepting that wild fruits and leaves
635
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,000
were going to be a major part of her diet
636
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,000
was really important.
637
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,000
Lucy, food, get.
638
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,000
She needed to do this in order to survive
639
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,000
and in order for me to leave.
640
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:28,000
Lucy, food, get.
641
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,000
Where I really began to ponder...
642
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,000
Lucy, food, get.
643
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,000
...we've gotta find some other kind of option for Lucy.
644
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,000
This isn't gonna work.
645
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,000
[dramatic music]
646
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:43,000
I wrote to the Temerlins, saying that,
647
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:47,000
you know, she just won't, she won't do this.
648
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,000
She's just, I don't know what we're gonna do about it.
649
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,000
[typewriter clicking]
650
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,000
[interviewer] And do you think, in the back of your mind,
651
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,000
you're thinking, "I've come all this way,
652
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,000
I've given up everything for you
653
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,000
and you're not doing what--"
654
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:09,000
I never thought, it never went through my head,
655
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,000
"You owe me. [laughs]
656
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,000
I've given everything up."
657
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,000
That idea never went through my head at all,
658
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:17,000
through any of it.
659
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,000
I knew that she could do it
660
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:27,000
and I just couldn't figure out
661
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,000
why she wouldn't just give in and do it.
662
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:35,000
And this went on and on and on.
663
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,000
Lucy, eat the food!
664
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,000
Understand!
665
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,000
Lucy, eat food.
666
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,000
[Janis] This particular day,
667
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,000
I had gotten angry at her and yelled at her.
668
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,000
Lucy, eat food!
669
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:01,000
I probably expressed exasperation
670
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,000
like I had never expressed it before.
671
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,000
Mmm, mmm, mmm.
672
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:06,000
[Janis] I'm not even gonna try anymore,
673
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,000
just forget it.
674
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,000
Lucy, eat food!
675
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,000
[birds chirping]
676
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,000
I don't know if I just passed out
677
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,000
or if I actually went to sleep.
678
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:30,000
But when I woke up, the world had changed.
679
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,000
[Lucy chittering]
680
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,000
[gentle music]
681
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:47,000
[Lucy chittering]
682
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,000
She was eating leaves.
683
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,000
[laughing]
684
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:53,000
Lucy knew me very well.
685
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:57,000
She was very sensitive to people's moods.
686
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,000
It's possible that she understood
687
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,000
I had reached my limit that day.
688
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,000
It was, perhaps, a breaking point for her
689
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,000
that she finally had to give in.
690
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,000
It was an immense relief.
691
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:30,000
I had lost hope, but it really gave me hope.
692
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,000
[chimps chittering]
693
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,000
[interviewer] It strikes me
694
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,000
that relief was the turning point.
695
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,000
But it was only on the feeding front,
696
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,000
it wasn't on anything else.
697
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:47,000
-[insects chirping] -[gentle music]
698
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:52,000
Even if Lucy acquired her foraging skills,
699
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,000
she couldn't have survived on the island totally alone.
700
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:04,000
She had to integrate socially
701
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,000
with the rest of the chimps.
702
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:11,000
But she wanted all of her emotional needs
703
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:17,000
and social needs met by me and it prevented her
704
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,000
from interacting with anyone else in the group.
705
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:26,000
[chimps chittering]
706
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:32,000
So I had to withdraw for her to feel empty
707
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:36,000
to the point that she would look to somebody else
708
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,000
to fulfill those needs.
709
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,000
[crying]
710
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,000
I knew how it was impacting on Lucy,
711
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,000
that she was feeling ignored and left out
712
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,000
and forgotten and unloved.
713
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,000
But if I gave in,
714
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:16,000
she wouldn't be able to realize what we had all hoped
715
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,000
that she would, which was to be independent,
716
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:22,000
free and have choice.
717
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,000
[animals chittering]
718
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:40,000
I had been so afraid to go to the island,
719
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:45,000
but the longer that I stayed, the less I wanted to leave.
720
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:51,000
It was the perfect paradise that I was so lucky
721
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,000
to have found that.
722
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,000
But it was a different kind of paradise.
723
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:12,000
There were some unusual things that happened at night.
724
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:17,000
[animals chittering]
725
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,000
[dramatic music]
726
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,000
[animals chittering]
727
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,000
I would see a light.
728
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,000
It would go back and forth and back.
729
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,000
[animals chittering]
730
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,000
I could feel this really strong pull,
731
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,000
trying to pull me into it.
732
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:07,000
[suspenseful music]
733
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:18,000
[birds chirping]
734
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,000
And it always happened the same way, just like that.
735
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,000
I believe that there were spirits
736
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:34,000
that were taking care of me when I was there
737
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:39,000
and that's why I survived it all those years.
738
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:41,000
I was never harmed.
739
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:46,000
[animals chittering]
740
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,000
I suppose those are the layers of mystery
741
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:54,000
that really enhanced how I feel about the island.
742
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,000
[boat engine humming]
743
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,000
I tried to keep a balance
744
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,000
between communicating with the outside world
745
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,000
and living a life that I was on the island.
746
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,000
But it was very difficult.
747
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:16,000
[playful music]
748
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:22,000
I would read letters with great excitement
749
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:25,000
and be happy with it.
750
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:38,000
And then in a very short period of time,
751
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:41,000
it was like some sentence was kinda highlighted,
752
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:46,000
going across [laughs] my brain, what's this mean?
753
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:50,000
"Maybe now we can start thinking about
754
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:52,000
returning to your life back here."
755
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:56,000
[muttering quietly]
756
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:59,000
Could it mean this? Could it mean that?
757
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:00,000
And I was really preoccupied with it.
758
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:11,000
It was actually making me unbalanced.
759
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:14,000
[muttering] "Back here now."
760
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:17,000
[muttering]
761
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:21,000
There was just no way that I could be totally immersed
762
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,000
in this world with the chimps
763
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:28,000
and also immersed in a human world.
764
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:31,000
I couldn't live in both worlds.
765
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,000
I just gradually drifted away
766
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:46,000
from family and friends.
767
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,000
I stopped writing
768
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:52,000
and I stopped receiving letters as well.
769
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,000
I don't remember being lonely.
770
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:37,000
I remember sometimes feeling like I had too much
771
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,000
human stimuli from the chimps and I would just scream,
772
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:43,000
"Can't you just leave me alone for a minute?"
773
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,000
They fulfilled all those human needs
774
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,000
that I had for social contact.
775
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:03,000
Lucy and I had more of a friendship.
776
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,000
My feelings for Dash...
777
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:16,000
...it was more mother- offspring type of feeling.
778
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:22,000
He manipulated me, just like all little boys do
779
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,000
with their mothers.
780
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,000
Especially if they're an only child.
781
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:32,000
But we just loved each other's company.
782
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:40,000
[interviewer] So you were sort of
783
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:43,000
reaching another level of being with them.
784
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,000
Were you, essentially, one of them?
785
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,000
I don't know, I don't...
786
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:55,000
I don't know if I ever became
787
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,000
a chimp, so to speak.
788
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,000
But I do think that our personalities
789
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:12,000
and our cultural tendencies all met together
790
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,000
at some point and we were just who we were.
791
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:24,000
And things changed for Lucy as well.
792
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:35,000
She developed a different kind of aura about herself,
793
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,000
one that was more peaceful.
794
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:43,000
She didn't have patches of hair missing anymore
795
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:47,000
and she didn't express such neediness
796
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:49,000
as she had in the early years.
797
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:55,000
She could go out and forage with the group without me.
798
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:58,000
She interacted with the other chimps.
799
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:08,000
I just thought of us as beings,
800
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:12,000
that it was Dash and Janis
801
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:16,000
and Lucy and Lakey,
802
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:20,000
not Janis with a group of chimps.
803
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,000
And we were on a mission.
804
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:38,000
I learned a lot more about families...
805
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,000
...living with the chimps than I think I did
806
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:46,000
with my own human family.
807
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,000
[insects chirping]
808
01:02:56,000 --> 01:03:00,000
Sunset was a really important moment of reflection
809
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,000
for all of us.
810
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:07,000
You know, we would always go out on the jetty.
811
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:18,000
No matter who was mad at who during the day
812
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:21,000
or who had bitten who or was holding a grudge or whatever,
813
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:26,000
it all washed away as the sun went down.
814
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:35,000
And we'd hang our hands in the river.
815
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:41,000
I don't know why that makes me emotional.
816
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:52,000
[gentle music]
817
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:54,000
It just seemed...
818
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,000
...so genuine.
819
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:03,000
Every second of it was just so genuine and we were...
820
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:06,000
appreciative of what life had given us that day.
821
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:22,000
Feeling that all of these vile forces of civilization
822
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:25,000
just did not impact us.
823
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:28,000
It was...
824
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:31,000
...just us.
825
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:39,000
[birds chirping]
826
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:42,000
[insects chirping]
827
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:49,000
I didn't think about going back at that point.
828
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:59,000
Time had a different schedule for me then.
829
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:05,000
I mean, I would have indicators of seasons
830
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:09,000
by the date palm putting out its new fruits
831
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:12,000
and you know that a whole year has passed.
832
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,000
I was...
833
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:19,000
I suppose you call it living in the moment, don't you?
834
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:20,000
I was living in the moment.
835
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:42,000
This particular day, it was a hot day.
836
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:46,000
[chimps chittering]
837
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,000
We were all walking the forest.
838
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:55,000
And I was in the back and I probably wasn't even thinking
839
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:57,000
about what I was doing.
840
01:05:57,000 --> 01:06:00,000
[chimps chittering]
841
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:05,000
I suddenly heard everybody scream and scatter.
842
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:07,000
[chimps shrieking]
843
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:11,000
And there was Dash, he had his hair up.
844
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:15,000
He was all pumped up and he was like bouncing on his toes.
845
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:18,000
I was gonna get it that day.
846
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,000
I was the leader in the beginning.
847
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:28,000
He was young when we first went there,
848
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:31,000
but he respected the dominance hierarchy.
849
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:35,000
But he was the oldest male,
850
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:38,000
so it was inevitable that he was going to be the one
851
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:41,000
that was gonna take over leadership of the group.
852
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:47,000
But for some reason,
853
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:50,000
I never thought that this was gonna happen.
854
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:55,000
[chimps screaming]
855
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:59,000
I just stood there and he charged me.
856
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:01,000
This is it.
857
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:05,000
[chimps screaming]
858
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,000
He grabbed my leg.
859
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:15,000
And he just dragged me everywhere he was going.
860
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:18,000
[chimps screaming]
861
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:23,000
And then he dragged me through this thorn bush,
862
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:25,000
and my body got caught.
863
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:29,000
[dramatic music]
864
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:44,000
-[labored breathing] -[running footsteps]
865
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:49,000
-[chimps screaming] -[cage rattling]
866
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:06,000
[labored breathing]
867
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:15,000
I was no longer the leader, I was number two,
868
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:18,000
but a number two that wasn't gonna be tolerated.
869
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:25,000
Dash would have slammed me if I tried to stay.
870
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,000
This was his place now.
871
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:43,000
[gentle music]
872
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:50,000
It was very strange, leaving the island.
873
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:55,000
I wanted the feeling that I was a part of something
874
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:56,000
and I didn't have it.
875
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:00,000
I really missed the fullness of my life
876
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:06,000
and kind of purpose that I felt when I woke up.
877
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:07,000
[horn honking]
878
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:11,000
[people chattering]
879
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:15,000
[Jane] She had a hard time adjusting.
880
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:18,000
How do you go back to living
881
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:21,000
primarily in a world of human beings?
882
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:27,000
And you're having to live an everyday life,
883
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:30,000
negotiating human structures,
884
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:35,000
human customs, human food.
885
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:39,000
[people chattering]
886
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:43,000
It was incredibly stressful for her.
887
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:47,000
-[radio blasting] -[horn honks]
888
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:52,000
-[gentle music] -[birds chirping]
889
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,000
[Janis] I knew that she was getting better,
890
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:04,000
but there was still this,
891
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:09,000
the overall concern on my part that Lucy was not going to
892
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:12,000
be able to survive without me there
893
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:16,000
kind of orchestrating or monitoring what was going on.
894
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:51,000
I took some of her human objects
895
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:54,000
that had been so important to her before.
896
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:56,000
She picked them up, looked at them
897
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,000
and put them back down again.
898
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:02,000
Nothing that had been important to her before,
899
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:08,000
that mirror was just like her very favorite object,
900
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:09,000
it meant nothing.
901
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:12,000
[gentle music]
902
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:18,000
After that, we groomed each other and talked a little bit.
903
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:26,000
And then she suddenly,
904
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:30,000
um, really without any indication, grabbed me...
905
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:39,000
...and just pulled me really tight.
906
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:47,000
It was very intense,
907
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:50,000
it was not like any other embrace we had ever had.
908
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:04,000
It signified the life that we had shared together.
909
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:24,000
At the end of it,
910
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:28,000
she just got up, turned around
911
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:30,000
and walked back to the other chimps.
912
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:38,000
I was really, really surprised
913
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:41,000
that she initiated the separation.
914
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:48,000
Honestly, it had been so hard for so long,
915
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:52,000
I just never thought that she would walk away from me.
916
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:58,000
But Lucy had finally made it.
917
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:05,000
She was comfortable within herself
918
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:07,000
and that she was in control of her own life,
919
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:10,000
which is what we'd all wanted.
920
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:24,000
Lucy still loved me, that was very, very clear,
921
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:27,000
but she didn't need me in the way that she had
922
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:29,000
for so many years.
923
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:39,000
Eventually, I felt comfortable enough
924
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:42,000
to take my first real vacation,
925
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:45,000
leaving Lucy behind in her new life.
926
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:50,000
I always had wanted to go to Bali.
927
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:53,000
[gentle music]
928
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:06,000
I had this dream one night
929
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:11,000
about Lucy getting on an airplane
930
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:14,000
and she had a bag with her
931
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:17,000
and she was going up the ladder of the plane.
932
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:25,000
I knew that she...
933
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:28,000
...she was dead.
934
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:35,000
[birds chirping]
935
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:49,000
There was no indication
936
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:52,000
of what might have been the cause of death.
937
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:56,000
But the more that we talked about it,
938
01:14:56,000 --> 01:15:00,000
the more it just remains a mystery what happened to her.
939
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:06,000
I wanted her buried on the island.
940
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:10,000
So she's there on the island.
941
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:18,000
[interviewer] That's the right place
942
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:21,000
for her to be, though, isn't it?
943
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:22,000
Yeah.
944
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:28,000
That was her final home.
945
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:48,000
[Jane] I was always just waiting.
946
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:49,000
When were we gonna get the call?
947
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:57,000
And it was a very, very difficult thing to hear.
948
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:02,000
It was a terrible loss for all of us.
949
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:11,000
I was so grateful to Janis
950
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:17,000
for giving Lucy this chance after her time with us.
951
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:23,000
She had some really good years.
952
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:29,000
And she had freedom and she wasn't in a cage.
953
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:33,000
She was protected, she was loved.
954
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:34,000
She had Janis.
955
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:38,000
But I wouldn't take a chimp
956
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:41,000
from its chimpanzee mother again.
957
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:49,000
Lucy's death had a certain finality
958
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:52,000
to the rest of what I was doing with my life.
959
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:02,000
I did go through a lot of thinking
960
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:05,000
as to whether I had achieved everything
961
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:06,000
that I had set out to do.
962
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:11,000
Was it time to start thinking about returning to the U.S.?
963
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:16,000
Do I need to be here anymore?
964
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:21,000
[inspirational music]
965
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:52,000
For years, after I left the island,
966
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:57,000
I used to have a ritual of watching the sun go down.
967
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:04,000
It didn't really matter where I was.
968
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:09,000
It was a sacred moment.
969
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:19,000
I guess that was the beauty of that period of my life
970
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:21,000
was that I did have that feeling.
971
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:27,000
I mean, how often do you get a chance
972
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:29,000
to live like that today?
973
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:41,000
[gentle music]
974
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:53,000
[gentle music]
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