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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:53,154 --> 00:00:56,690 - Lawrence Ferlinghetti is a more complicated individual 2 00:00:56,690 --> 00:00:59,560 than we are used to having in American writing. 3 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,095 - He was the most accessible to me, 4 00:01:01,095 --> 00:01:03,331 the one that reached me and moved me. 5 00:01:03,331 --> 00:01:07,335 - Lawrence Ferlinghetti is an old-ass anarchist. 6 00:01:09,170 --> 00:01:12,206 - Lawrence is a bohemian, became a leftist, 7 00:01:12,206 --> 00:01:13,841 politically conscious. 8 00:01:13,841 --> 00:01:18,011 And then he opened up a bookstore to reflect that. 9 00:01:19,647 --> 00:01:22,450 - Like many people, Lawrence has many facets, 10 00:01:22,450 --> 00:01:25,286 many faces, many personas. 11 00:01:25,286 --> 00:01:27,488 - [McClure] Lawrence is probably the most popular 12 00:01:27,488 --> 00:01:28,789 modern poet. 13 00:01:28,789 --> 00:01:30,424 - [Lebel] Poet is only one of them. 14 00:01:30,424 --> 00:01:33,927 He is also the publisher, the activist, the painter. 15 00:01:33,927 --> 00:01:35,629 - [Voiceover] His heroes were 16 00:01:35,629 --> 00:01:38,632 Charlie Chaplin and Jacques Prevert. 17 00:01:42,069 --> 00:01:44,672 - And as a publisher, he has brought together one of the 18 00:01:44,672 --> 00:01:48,276 most amazing publishing houses in the world. 19 00:01:48,276 --> 00:01:51,145 - [Lebel] Lawrence and the gang at City Lights, 20 00:01:51,145 --> 00:01:54,982 they made the book store, a center of a village. 21 00:01:54,982 --> 00:01:56,284 - Lawrence was the mayor of North Beach, 22 00:01:56,284 --> 00:01:59,620 not question about it. He kept it alive. 23 00:02:00,754 --> 00:02:02,756 - And because he won his legal case.. 24 00:02:02,756 --> 00:02:05,493 He opened up the doors for all us 25 00:02:05,493 --> 00:02:08,229 to celebrate the rights of first amendment, 26 00:02:08,229 --> 00:02:10,130 freedom of speech. 27 00:02:10,130 --> 00:02:13,267 - His willingness to stay involved and keep foraging ahead, 28 00:02:13,267 --> 00:02:14,968 and keeping it sort of that fire burning, 29 00:02:14,968 --> 00:02:16,970 with new people always looking for the next voice 30 00:02:16,970 --> 00:02:19,707 and continuing to publish, it isn't stuck in the past, 31 00:02:19,707 --> 00:02:22,176 it isn't some 50s, 60s only institution. 32 00:02:22,176 --> 00:02:24,345 It's as alive as anything. 33 00:02:24,345 --> 00:02:27,581 - Ferlinghetti is still grappling and still 34 00:02:27,581 --> 00:02:30,551 speaking out and using poetry as 35 00:02:30,551 --> 00:02:33,821 kind of the ultimate freedom of speech. 36 00:02:40,594 --> 00:02:42,563 - I am waiting for my case to come up, 37 00:02:42,563 --> 00:02:45,833 and I am waiting for a rebirth of wonder, 38 00:02:45,833 --> 00:02:50,204 and I am waiting for someone to really discover America 39 00:02:50,204 --> 00:02:51,605 and I am waiting for the discovery 40 00:02:51,605 --> 00:02:54,442 of a new symbolic western frontier, 41 00:02:54,442 --> 00:02:56,277 and I am waiting for the American eagle 42 00:02:56,277 --> 00:03:00,814 to really spread its wings, and straighten up and fly right, 43 00:03:00,814 --> 00:03:02,450 and I am waiting for the war to be fought 44 00:03:02,450 --> 00:03:06,254 which will make the world safe for anarchy, 45 00:03:06,254 --> 00:03:08,055 and I am waiting for the final withering away 46 00:03:08,055 --> 00:03:10,123 of all governments, 47 00:03:10,123 --> 00:03:14,295 and I am perpetually waiting for rebirth of wonder. 48 00:03:16,096 --> 00:03:18,832 Here we are, City Lights Bookstore, 49 00:03:18,832 --> 00:03:21,869 center of the universe, San Francisco. 50 00:03:21,869 --> 00:03:24,004 When I arrived in the 1950s, 51 00:03:24,004 --> 00:03:26,374 citizens didn't seem to consider themselves 52 00:03:26,374 --> 00:03:28,041 part of the United States. 53 00:03:28,041 --> 00:03:30,043 It was still a last frontier, 54 00:03:30,043 --> 00:03:32,513 in more ways than one. 55 00:03:32,513 --> 00:03:34,815 It may still be, and so that's why the youth today 56 00:03:34,815 --> 00:03:36,317 are still attracted to this. 57 00:03:36,317 --> 00:03:38,852 It's a way out of American corporate mono-culture, 58 00:03:38,852 --> 00:03:41,689 and materialist consciousness of the country. 59 00:03:41,689 --> 00:03:44,525 People are still coming for some reason or other. 60 00:03:44,525 --> 00:03:48,696 Maybe the gold rush isn't over after all. 61 00:03:48,696 --> 00:03:50,798 - I mean, what the hell was City Lights Books? 62 00:03:50,798 --> 00:03:53,467 It was a place where you had a window into literature, 63 00:03:53,467 --> 00:03:56,437 political ideas that were basically being ignored. 64 00:03:56,437 --> 00:03:59,340 - In the 60s, the radicals from Berkely would come there 65 00:03:59,340 --> 00:04:02,042 to meet, to plan demonstrations. 66 00:04:02,042 --> 00:04:04,077 The radicals from San Francisco would go there. 67 00:04:04,077 --> 00:04:06,580 We'd all get together and talk about things, 68 00:04:06,580 --> 00:04:08,115 speak about what we could do. 69 00:04:08,115 --> 00:04:09,917 And at the same time, we could sit around in the chairs 70 00:04:09,917 --> 00:04:14,788 and leaf through small fanzine type poetry magazines 71 00:04:14,788 --> 00:04:16,890 while we were discussing the serious issues 72 00:04:16,890 --> 00:04:18,759 that we were concerned with. 73 00:04:18,759 --> 00:04:20,561 - This wasn't the center of wild drinking 74 00:04:20,561 --> 00:04:21,995 or drugs or anything. 75 00:04:21,995 --> 00:04:24,398 You know, it was a place where you sat down in a chair, 76 00:04:24,398 --> 00:04:26,066 and you read a fucking book. 77 00:04:26,066 --> 00:04:28,702 A guy like Lenny Bruce would come in to see a book. 78 00:04:28,702 --> 00:04:31,405 He's coming in before a show to check something, 79 00:04:31,405 --> 00:04:35,776 some writer, some legal book, censorship, first amendment. 80 00:04:35,776 --> 00:04:38,679 And so this place was a serious resource. 81 00:04:38,679 --> 00:04:41,649 - It was like where the minds went to meet 82 00:04:41,649 --> 00:04:43,784 and to talk over what we had done 83 00:04:43,784 --> 00:04:46,086 and what we wished to do. 84 00:04:46,086 --> 00:04:48,889 - You know, if our amendments had addresses, 85 00:04:48,889 --> 00:04:52,159 the address of the first amendment would be right here 86 00:04:52,159 --> 00:04:54,362 at City Lights Books. 87 00:04:54,362 --> 00:04:56,229 You can find respect for the first amendment in other 88 00:04:56,229 --> 00:04:59,667 book stores and other publishing houses across the nation, 89 00:04:59,667 --> 00:05:01,168 but you will never see it, 90 00:05:01,168 --> 00:05:04,071 the first amendment, so fully, so happily ensconced 91 00:05:04,071 --> 00:05:08,041 as it is here at City Lights in the city of San Francisco. 92 00:05:08,041 --> 00:05:10,578 Lawrence Ferlinghetti, congratulations, 93 00:05:10,578 --> 00:05:13,280 literature, culture, the first amendment 94 00:05:13,280 --> 00:05:14,882 is better because of you. 95 00:05:18,819 --> 00:05:21,989 - The concept of City Lights Bookstore 96 00:05:23,256 --> 00:05:26,326 in addition to the press changing our idea 97 00:05:26,326 --> 00:05:29,296 of what a book was, or what a book of poetry was, 98 00:05:29,296 --> 00:05:31,999 also changed our idea of what a book store was. 99 00:05:31,999 --> 00:05:33,801 A very democratic idea, right? 100 00:05:33,801 --> 00:05:36,470 The same way with making the books inexpensive and portable, 101 00:05:36,470 --> 00:05:38,338 breaking open the doors of the bookstore, 102 00:05:38,338 --> 00:05:39,940 allowing people to come in and sit and read, 103 00:05:39,940 --> 00:05:41,975 it was all the sense of bringing literature 104 00:05:41,975 --> 00:05:46,547 out of kind of T. S. Elliot mold, taking off it's tie, 105 00:05:46,547 --> 00:05:49,082 putting on some strange looking pants 106 00:05:49,082 --> 00:05:51,118 and bringing it to the people. 107 00:05:51,118 --> 00:05:52,820 - We became notorious 108 00:05:52,820 --> 00:05:54,988 for publishing the beat poets. 109 00:05:54,988 --> 00:05:58,459 But the beats were only one generation of dissident writers 110 00:05:58,459 --> 00:06:01,128 that we published at City Lights. 111 00:06:01,128 --> 00:06:02,663 Writers like Bukowski. 112 00:06:02,663 --> 00:06:04,765 We published Sam Shepard. 113 00:06:04,765 --> 00:06:08,402 Dissident thought, not necessarily political all the time. 114 00:06:08,402 --> 00:06:10,103 - He, as a publisher, 115 00:06:10,103 --> 00:06:12,239 had an enormous vision, 116 00:06:12,239 --> 00:06:14,307 starting very small, 117 00:06:14,307 --> 00:06:16,944 building from the small poem book, 118 00:06:16,944 --> 00:06:19,246 later to novels to translations. 119 00:06:19,246 --> 00:06:22,950 His international fiction line is fantastic. 120 00:06:22,950 --> 00:06:25,553 - As a publisher, City Lights has always been 121 00:06:25,553 --> 00:06:28,522 totally independent, never taking any government grants, 122 00:06:28,522 --> 00:06:30,390 or any other kind of grants. 123 00:06:30,390 --> 00:06:33,160 Our main focus is on radical politics, 124 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,328 radical deep ecology, 125 00:06:35,328 --> 00:06:37,765 feminism and poetry. 126 00:06:37,765 --> 00:06:40,834 - There was this kind of confluence of the revolutionary 127 00:06:40,834 --> 00:06:44,037 openness of the poetry and a very, 128 00:06:44,037 --> 00:06:46,540 a sort of disrespect for tradition 129 00:06:46,540 --> 00:06:48,075 and a sense of breaking through, 130 00:06:48,075 --> 00:06:51,779 kind of rolling a grenade into the library 131 00:06:51,779 --> 00:06:53,881 and breaking a convention. 132 00:06:53,881 --> 00:06:56,450 - That's what his mission has been. 133 00:06:56,450 --> 00:06:58,385 To create a publishing apparatus 134 00:06:58,385 --> 00:07:00,053 which published him and a lot of other people. 135 00:07:00,053 --> 00:07:01,421 And that's what you have to do. 136 00:07:01,421 --> 00:07:05,593 He created an iconic publishing force in City Lights. 137 00:07:07,094 --> 00:07:09,830 That's what Ferlinghetti did. 138 00:07:16,870 --> 00:07:18,906 - Well, when I got into the scene here, 139 00:07:18,906 --> 00:07:20,608 I discovered North Beach. 140 00:07:20,608 --> 00:07:22,476 Took me quite a while. 141 00:07:22,476 --> 00:07:25,445 I had a painting studio starting in '52 142 00:07:25,445 --> 00:07:28,649 in Nine Mission street, the Audiffred buildling, 143 00:07:28,649 --> 00:07:32,052 studio I inherited from Hassel Smith. 144 00:07:32,052 --> 00:07:35,723 I had an old Austin car and I came up Columbus and I saw 145 00:07:35,723 --> 00:07:39,459 some guy putting up a sign right here that said 146 00:07:39,459 --> 00:07:40,861 Pocket Book Shop. 147 00:07:42,262 --> 00:07:45,265 So, for some reason, I parked, I don't know why. 148 00:07:45,265 --> 00:07:48,869 Except my old friend George Whitman had just started 149 00:07:48,869 --> 00:07:51,238 his first version of what's now called 150 00:07:51,238 --> 00:07:53,607 Shakespeare and Company in Paris. 151 00:07:53,607 --> 00:07:55,408 And it was a used book store, and I said, well, 152 00:07:55,408 --> 00:07:57,044 that's what I'd like to do, 153 00:07:57,044 --> 00:07:58,612 have a used book store, sit in the back, 154 00:07:58,612 --> 00:08:00,413 read under a shade and 155 00:08:01,849 --> 00:08:03,917 groan if anybody interrupted me. 156 00:08:05,653 --> 00:08:08,121 So, I came across the street and I introduced myself, 157 00:08:08,121 --> 00:08:12,159 turned out his name was Peter D. Martin and he had 158 00:08:12,159 --> 00:08:14,294 a little magazine called City Lights. 159 00:08:14,294 --> 00:08:17,197 It was the very first pop culture magazine. 160 00:08:17,197 --> 00:08:18,431 So, I said, what are doing? 161 00:08:18,431 --> 00:08:20,033 He said, I'm starting a pocket book shop. 162 00:08:20,033 --> 00:08:21,468 And there was a brilliant idea. 163 00:08:21,468 --> 00:08:24,504 There was no paperback bookstores in this country. 164 00:08:24,504 --> 00:08:26,339 It was just the beginning of what became known as 165 00:08:26,339 --> 00:08:29,076 the quality paperback revolution. 166 00:08:29,076 --> 00:08:32,412 He said they had 500 dollars, I said well, I've got 500, so 167 00:08:32,412 --> 00:08:34,314 it started over a handshake. 168 00:08:43,957 --> 00:08:47,795 - In 1955 at the Six Gallery in San Francisco, 169 00:08:48,762 --> 00:08:51,198 five poets got together. 170 00:08:51,198 --> 00:08:53,533 - Lamantia, McClure, myself, 171 00:08:56,169 --> 00:08:58,706 Philip Whalen, Gary Snyder 172 00:08:58,706 --> 00:09:00,774 with Kenneth Rexroth as the moderator, 173 00:09:00,774 --> 00:09:03,476 got together and gave a reading at the Six Gallery 174 00:09:03,476 --> 00:09:04,945 in San Francisco, 175 00:09:04,945 --> 00:09:06,880 where I first read Howl. 176 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:08,749 And where all of us as a poetic group 177 00:09:08,749 --> 00:09:11,051 all got together on the same stage 178 00:09:11,051 --> 00:09:12,519 with Kerouac in the audience, 179 00:09:12,519 --> 00:09:14,354 with Neal Cassady in the audience. 180 00:09:14,354 --> 00:09:16,456 - I think we discovered what the meaning of 181 00:09:16,456 --> 00:09:17,958 reading out loud was. 182 00:09:17,958 --> 00:09:21,528 None of expected to have a publisher, but the idea was 183 00:09:21,528 --> 00:09:23,196 speak to people directly 184 00:09:23,196 --> 00:09:25,599 with poetry that couldn't be published. 185 00:09:25,599 --> 00:09:27,400 And lo and behold, Howl, 186 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,136 which certainly couldn't be published, 187 00:09:29,136 --> 00:09:31,672 was published by Lawrence Ferlinghetti 188 00:09:31,672 --> 00:09:33,040 who was there that night 189 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,142 and sent a telegram to Allen the next day 190 00:09:35,142 --> 00:09:37,577 asking Allen to publish Howl. 191 00:09:38,746 --> 00:09:41,481 - Now, as you may have seen in the papers, 192 00:09:41,481 --> 00:09:44,251 collector of customs, Chester McFee, 193 00:09:44,251 --> 00:09:49,089 confiscated 520 copies of a paper bound volume of poetry 194 00:09:49,089 --> 00:09:53,126 entitled Howl and Other Poems by Allen Gingsberg. 195 00:09:53,126 --> 00:09:56,029 You wouldn't want your children to come across it. 196 00:09:56,029 --> 00:09:57,330 - The juvenile department 197 00:09:57,330 --> 00:09:59,266 of the San Francisco police department 198 00:09:59,266 --> 00:10:02,770 arrested Lawrence's bookstore manager that evening 199 00:10:02,770 --> 00:10:04,938 whose name was Shig Morau, 200 00:10:04,938 --> 00:10:06,840 and also put out a warrant for the arrest 201 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,076 of Lawrence Ferlinghetti, who wasn't there that day. 202 00:10:09,076 --> 00:10:10,911 Lawrence turned himself in, 203 00:10:10,911 --> 00:10:14,948 and was subjected to a trial that they thought was going 204 00:10:14,948 --> 00:10:16,650 to be a disaster. 205 00:10:16,650 --> 00:10:20,120 - Lawrence had anticipated that and he had gone to the ACLU 206 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,455 and asked whether the ACLU would defend him 207 00:10:22,455 --> 00:10:25,225 in the event he ran into this kind of situation. 208 00:10:25,225 --> 00:10:27,795 Ernie Besig, the executive director of the ACLU at the time 209 00:10:27,795 --> 00:10:30,330 said of course, free speech is free speech. 210 00:10:30,330 --> 00:10:31,799 We will defend this. 211 00:10:31,799 --> 00:10:34,802 I was a young lawyer and I was handed the task 212 00:10:34,802 --> 00:10:37,871 of preparing the constitutional argument. 213 00:10:37,871 --> 00:10:40,273 - [Morgan] Judge Horn had just been through a big trial 214 00:10:40,273 --> 00:10:41,508 in San Francisco. 215 00:10:41,508 --> 00:10:43,777 Some teenage shoplifters who he had sentenced 216 00:10:43,777 --> 00:10:46,246 to see the movie "The Ten Commandments." 217 00:10:46,246 --> 00:10:48,916 He was a conservative, born-again Christian who 218 00:10:48,916 --> 00:10:50,851 took no nonsense from people. 219 00:10:50,851 --> 00:10:54,354 And so, of course, they felt they had lost the case for Howl 220 00:10:54,354 --> 00:10:56,389 just by the selection of the judge. 221 00:10:56,389 --> 00:10:59,226 Lawrence had laid his whole career on the line. 222 00:10:59,226 --> 00:11:01,594 He risked not just a heavy fine, though, 223 00:11:01,594 --> 00:11:03,563 he risked a prison sentence. 224 00:11:03,563 --> 00:11:05,232 Allen was overseas at the time, 225 00:11:05,232 --> 00:11:07,534 never even came back for the trial. 226 00:11:07,534 --> 00:11:09,669 It was more of a novelty to him. 227 00:11:09,669 --> 00:11:11,238 He realized that it was 228 00:11:11,238 --> 00:11:13,807 an important even in American history, 229 00:11:13,807 --> 00:11:16,409 but he didn't realize the serious trouble that Lawrence 230 00:11:16,409 --> 00:11:18,578 could actually have gotten into. 231 00:11:18,578 --> 00:11:20,080 -Lawrence Ferlinghetti, 232 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,716 bookstore proprietor, said there were four-letter words 233 00:11:22,716 --> 00:11:26,386 in the poems but it is easily defendable as work of art. 234 00:11:26,386 --> 00:11:31,258 It's a first breath of fresh air in American poetry 235 00:11:31,258 --> 00:11:33,360 in almost a generation. 236 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,930 This is the way official San Francisco welcomes 237 00:11:36,930 --> 00:11:39,867 this book of incomparable power. 238 00:11:43,904 --> 00:11:46,639 - I saw the best minds of my generation 239 00:11:46,639 --> 00:11:48,308 destroyed by madness 240 00:11:49,409 --> 00:11:51,678 starving, hysterical, naked 241 00:11:53,646 --> 00:11:56,449 dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn 242 00:11:56,449 --> 00:11:59,019 looking for an angry fix 243 00:11:59,019 --> 00:12:01,021 angel-headed hipsters 244 00:12:01,021 --> 00:12:03,590 burning for the ancient, heavenly connection 245 00:12:03,590 --> 00:12:07,660 to the starry dynamo in the machinery of night 246 00:12:07,660 --> 00:12:10,931 who poverty and tatters and hollow-eyed and high 247 00:12:10,931 --> 00:12:13,433 sat up smoking in the supernatural darkness 248 00:12:13,433 --> 00:12:15,803 of cold-water flats floating across the tops of 249 00:12:15,803 --> 00:12:17,971 cities contemplating jazz. 250 00:12:19,739 --> 00:12:22,442 - Judge Horn turned out to be a very fair judge 251 00:12:22,442 --> 00:12:25,846 and he ruled after the trial that Howl was not obscene 252 00:12:25,846 --> 00:12:28,748 because it had some redeeming social value. 253 00:12:28,748 --> 00:12:31,351 - It's not the poet but what he observes 254 00:12:31,351 --> 00:12:33,854 which is revealed as obscene. 255 00:12:33,854 --> 00:12:35,722 The sad waste of Howl, 256 00:12:35,722 --> 00:12:38,458 of the sad waste of the mechanized world, 257 00:12:38,458 --> 00:12:42,295 lost among atom bombs and insane nationalisms. 258 00:12:44,031 --> 00:12:46,333 - Howl gave a legal president that really important 259 00:12:46,333 --> 00:12:49,236 for publishers who were already active, 260 00:12:49,236 --> 00:12:51,171 and also kind of was an inspiration, I think, 261 00:12:51,171 --> 00:12:55,608 because the Howl trial created so much national publicity. 262 00:12:55,608 --> 00:12:58,311 I think for younger people it's difficult to imagine 263 00:12:58,311 --> 00:13:01,081 the impact the three or four page pictorial spread 264 00:13:01,081 --> 00:13:02,816 in Life magazine had in those days. 265 00:13:02,816 --> 00:13:04,351 That was huge. 266 00:13:04,351 --> 00:13:06,219 So, it was kind of important in the sense that it 267 00:13:06,219 --> 00:13:09,122 brought a lot of attention to a really critical 268 00:13:09,122 --> 00:13:12,225 point of principle, freedom of speech. 269 00:13:12,225 --> 00:13:14,594 - Lawrence Ferlinghetti kicked open the door 270 00:13:14,594 --> 00:13:15,795 to free up publishing 271 00:13:15,795 --> 00:13:17,998 at a time when it really needed to happen. 272 00:13:17,998 --> 00:13:20,100 He risked a great deal for a lot of books 273 00:13:20,100 --> 00:13:22,335 that couldn't have been published in this country. 274 00:13:22,335 --> 00:13:25,338 Many books that are now considered classics 275 00:13:25,338 --> 00:13:27,941 can be freely read, carried in your back pocket 276 00:13:27,941 --> 00:13:32,112 and taught in almost every university in the country. 277 00:13:33,580 --> 00:13:35,748 - This is called Autobiography. 278 00:13:56,203 --> 00:13:58,071 I am leading a quiet life 279 00:13:58,071 --> 00:14:00,240 in Mike's Place every day 280 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:01,408 watching the champs 281 00:14:01,408 --> 00:14:03,176 of the Dante Billiard Parlor 282 00:14:03,176 --> 00:14:06,113 and the French pinball addicts. 283 00:14:06,113 --> 00:14:07,447 And I have read somewhere 284 00:14:07,447 --> 00:14:09,182 the Meaning of Existence 285 00:14:09,182 --> 00:14:12,152 yet have forgotten just exactly where 286 00:14:12,152 --> 00:14:13,020 But I am the man 287 00:14:13,020 --> 00:14:14,554 And I'll be there. 288 00:14:14,554 --> 00:14:15,956 And I may cause the lips 289 00:14:15,956 --> 00:14:17,090 of those who are asleep 290 00:14:17,090 --> 00:14:18,225 to speak. 291 00:14:18,225 --> 00:14:19,659 And I may make my notebooks 292 00:14:19,659 --> 00:14:21,594 into sheaves of grass. 293 00:14:21,594 --> 00:14:22,930 And I may write my own 294 00:14:22,930 --> 00:14:24,331 eponymous epitaph 295 00:14:24,331 --> 00:14:26,099 instructing the horsemen 296 00:14:26,099 --> 00:14:26,934 to pass. 297 00:14:39,846 --> 00:14:43,816 - When Lawrence was born in 1919, his father had just died. 298 00:14:43,816 --> 00:14:47,820 And Clemence, his mother, had a nervous breakdown. 299 00:14:47,820 --> 00:14:51,358 And so she went to a mental institution near New York. 300 00:14:51,358 --> 00:14:53,726 - Our Aunt Emily was French and she took me 301 00:14:53,726 --> 00:14:55,895 to France with her when I was about a week old 302 00:14:55,895 --> 00:14:57,097 and we lived near Strasborg. 303 00:14:57,097 --> 00:14:59,266 I don't think we came back to America 304 00:14:59,266 --> 00:15:00,733 until I was about six. 305 00:15:00,733 --> 00:15:03,937 I didn't even know I had four brothers at that time. 306 00:15:03,937 --> 00:15:05,372 - Of course he was convinced 307 00:15:05,372 --> 00:15:09,309 that Emily was his true mother and that he was French. 308 00:15:09,309 --> 00:15:12,179 But after four years, around 1923, 309 00:15:12,179 --> 00:15:15,382 Emily decided to go back to New York. 310 00:15:15,382 --> 00:15:16,716 But, she hadn't enough money. 311 00:15:16,716 --> 00:15:18,952 She wasn't feeding Lawrence enough. 312 00:15:18,952 --> 00:15:21,621 And soon the social system took the child. 313 00:15:21,621 --> 00:15:24,791 And Lawrence was just four years old and ended up 314 00:15:24,791 --> 00:15:28,061 in an orphanage in Chappaqua near New York. 315 00:15:28,061 --> 00:15:30,397 - The photo of Emily, 316 00:15:30,397 --> 00:15:32,499 mad and elegant, 317 00:15:32,499 --> 00:15:34,834 thinking herself a great writer 318 00:15:34,834 --> 00:15:37,470 with something to say to the world 319 00:15:37,470 --> 00:15:39,606 in her shadow hat 320 00:15:39,606 --> 00:15:41,408 having her picture taken 321 00:15:41,408 --> 00:15:43,776 with the child she always wanted. 322 00:15:43,776 --> 00:15:45,012 She had lovers, 323 00:15:45,979 --> 00:15:47,847 but no child. 324 00:15:47,847 --> 00:15:50,950 She stood by the bedside and took me. 325 00:15:52,119 --> 00:15:54,754 - Emily found a job as private teacher 326 00:15:54,754 --> 00:15:58,358 at the Bislands, a very rich family living in Bronxville, 327 00:15:58,358 --> 00:15:59,626 near New York. 328 00:15:59,626 --> 00:16:02,495 - I went along with her and there was a butler. 329 00:16:02,495 --> 00:16:03,763 There was a Swedish cook. 330 00:16:03,763 --> 00:16:05,932 There was a chauffeur. 331 00:16:05,932 --> 00:16:08,468 And there was a gardener, an old Italian gardener, 332 00:16:08,468 --> 00:16:11,671 who always smelled of garlic and pepperoni. 333 00:16:11,671 --> 00:16:13,806 And he lived in a shack in the garden. 334 00:16:13,806 --> 00:16:15,408 He was a hunchback. 335 00:16:16,609 --> 00:16:20,113 It's right out of Dickens. (laughs) 336 00:16:20,113 --> 00:16:24,051 - After a year, Emily during her free day, 337 00:16:24,051 --> 00:16:26,886 just went out and never came back. 338 00:16:28,521 --> 00:16:31,524 - I was writing my French aunt when I was 12 years old, 339 00:16:31,524 --> 00:16:35,362 that's when I discovered I could really write. 340 00:16:36,629 --> 00:16:40,800 She was in France, I was back in New York. 341 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:42,269 And, so That's how I, 342 00:16:42,269 --> 00:16:46,339 the first writing I did was to my French Aunt Emily. 343 00:16:46,339 --> 00:16:47,807 She answered for a while 344 00:16:47,807 --> 00:16:50,177 I mean, I remember getting letters from her. 345 00:16:50,177 --> 00:16:52,579 Then she really went crazy. 346 00:16:52,579 --> 00:16:55,915 I don't know whether she had insomnia or 347 00:16:56,883 --> 00:16:58,218 amnesia or what. 348 00:16:59,519 --> 00:17:01,188 She just disappeared. 349 00:17:02,422 --> 00:17:04,224 Never heard from her again. 350 00:17:04,224 --> 00:17:05,892 Nor did anyone else. 351 00:17:07,327 --> 00:17:08,561 Emily Monsonto. 352 00:17:10,029 --> 00:17:12,765 And saw her never again. 353 00:17:12,765 --> 00:17:15,235 And never saw her again 354 00:17:15,235 --> 00:17:18,138 except in the back of old boutiques 355 00:17:18,971 --> 00:17:20,740 peered into now again 356 00:17:22,575 --> 00:17:25,978 with haunting glance in the Rue De Seine. 357 00:17:31,418 --> 00:17:33,420 The Bislands didn't adopt me legally 358 00:17:33,420 --> 00:17:37,390 but they had had a son named Lawrence who died in infancy 359 00:17:37,390 --> 00:17:39,759 and I came along right after that. 360 00:17:39,759 --> 00:17:42,195 Luckily, my name was Lawrence. 361 00:17:42,195 --> 00:17:44,297 Anna Lawrence Bisland was a daughter 362 00:17:44,297 --> 00:17:46,099 of William van Duzer Lawrence 363 00:17:46,099 --> 00:17:48,135 who founded Sarah Lawrence College. 364 00:17:48,135 --> 00:17:49,769 She married Presley Bisland 365 00:17:49,769 --> 00:17:52,372 who was from Natchez, Mississippi. 366 00:17:52,372 --> 00:17:54,941 He always wanted to be a writer. 367 00:17:54,941 --> 00:17:56,909 He really was of Mark Twain's generation 368 00:17:56,909 --> 00:17:58,511 and he was a very handsome man. 369 00:17:58,511 --> 00:18:00,012 He was very witty. 370 00:18:00,012 --> 00:18:02,515 The library was full of Greek and Roman classics 371 00:18:02,515 --> 00:18:05,785 also bound volumes of all the great English novelists 372 00:18:05,785 --> 00:18:07,420 like Thackeray and Dickens. 373 00:18:07,420 --> 00:18:09,556 That's what I grew up with was this library 374 00:18:09,556 --> 00:18:12,259 and at the dinner table I would recite the poems 375 00:18:12,259 --> 00:18:13,893 that he gave me to learn 376 00:18:13,893 --> 00:18:16,729 and he'd give me silver dollars for learning the poems 377 00:18:16,729 --> 00:18:18,365 like great old chestnuts, like 378 00:18:18,365 --> 00:18:21,734 Horatius at the Bridge and things like that. 379 00:18:21,734 --> 00:18:25,305 Eventually, I ended up going to Bronxville Public School. 380 00:18:25,305 --> 00:18:27,440 Took me a couple off years to become Eagle Scout 381 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,142 maybe when I was about 14. 382 00:18:29,142 --> 00:18:31,244 Trouble was, the same week I made Eagle Scout, 383 00:18:31,244 --> 00:18:33,346 I got busted for stealing pencils 384 00:18:33,346 --> 00:18:35,715 from the five and ten cent store. 385 00:18:35,715 --> 00:18:37,517 Well, I was shipped off to Mount Herman, 386 00:18:37,517 --> 00:18:40,853 which was a working farm school at that time. 387 00:18:40,853 --> 00:18:42,889 Which I got sent to in Massachusetts 388 00:18:42,889 --> 00:18:45,392 to straighten me out after I was a delinquent juvenile 389 00:18:45,392 --> 00:18:47,560 on the streets of Bronxville, New York. 390 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:49,662 My roommate there, he had two books. 391 00:18:49,662 --> 00:18:51,698 His Holy Bible was one pocket, he had 392 00:18:51,698 --> 00:18:54,801 The Sun Also Rises by Ernest Hemingway. 393 00:18:54,801 --> 00:18:56,002 In the other pocket he had 394 00:18:56,002 --> 00:18:57,937 Thomas Wolfe's Look Howeward, Angel. 395 00:18:57,937 --> 00:18:59,939 So, I read Look Howeward Angel. 396 00:18:59,939 --> 00:19:02,509 It happens in Pulpit Hill, North Carolina. 397 00:19:02,509 --> 00:19:04,511 Well, Pulpit Hill is Chapel Hill. 398 00:19:04,511 --> 00:19:07,814 So, I went to Chapel Hill because Thomas Wolfe went there. 399 00:19:07,814 --> 00:19:09,516 I worked on the Carolina Magazine, 400 00:19:09,516 --> 00:19:11,651 which Thomas Wolfe had worked on. 401 00:19:11,651 --> 00:19:15,822 And unfortunately, I wasn't able to write like him. 402 00:19:20,193 --> 00:19:22,762 My father died before I was born, 403 00:19:22,762 --> 00:19:24,497 dropped dead of a heart attack when, I believe, 404 00:19:24,497 --> 00:19:25,332 he was 42. 405 00:19:26,499 --> 00:19:29,902 He came over probably in steerage from Italy, 406 00:19:29,902 --> 00:19:31,838 about the turn of the century. 407 00:19:31,838 --> 00:19:33,740 His name was Carlo. 408 00:19:33,740 --> 00:19:36,108 Carlo Ferlinghetti. 409 00:19:54,894 --> 00:19:58,365 Driving a cardboard automobile without a license 410 00:19:58,365 --> 00:20:02,168 at the turn of the century, my father ran into my mother 411 00:20:02,168 --> 00:20:04,904 on a fun ride at Coney Island. 412 00:20:04,904 --> 00:20:06,439 Having spied each other eating 413 00:20:06,439 --> 00:20:09,342 in a French boarding house nearby 414 00:20:09,342 --> 00:20:11,578 and having decided right there and then 415 00:20:11,578 --> 00:20:13,746 that she was for him entirely 416 00:20:13,746 --> 00:20:17,149 he followed her into the play land of that evening 417 00:20:17,149 --> 00:20:18,785 where the headlong meeting 418 00:20:18,785 --> 00:20:21,388 of their ephemeral flesh on wheels 419 00:20:21,388 --> 00:20:24,223 hurdled them forever together 420 00:20:24,223 --> 00:20:26,393 and I now in the back seat 421 00:20:27,360 --> 00:20:29,429 of their eternity 422 00:20:29,429 --> 00:20:31,864 reaching out to embrace them. 423 00:20:36,703 --> 00:20:38,638 The Ferlinghetti family had never told me 424 00:20:38,638 --> 00:20:40,840 that had shortened the name to Ferling 425 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,042 and just before I published my first book 426 00:20:43,042 --> 00:20:46,245 I restored the name to Ferlinghetti. 427 00:21:01,528 --> 00:21:04,096 In a dream within a dream 428 00:21:04,096 --> 00:21:05,432 I dreamt a dream 429 00:21:06,466 --> 00:21:08,801 of all the animals dying out 430 00:21:11,638 --> 00:21:15,141 All the animals everywhere dying and dying 431 00:21:18,311 --> 00:21:22,349 The wild animals, the long haired animals, 432 00:21:22,349 --> 00:21:25,452 winged animals, feathered animals, 433 00:21:25,452 --> 00:21:28,355 clawed and sealed and furry animals 434 00:21:29,656 --> 00:21:31,524 rutting and dying 435 00:21:31,524 --> 00:21:32,359 and dying 436 00:21:34,761 --> 00:21:37,497 in shrinking rain forests 437 00:21:37,497 --> 00:21:40,066 in piney woods and high sierras 438 00:21:41,634 --> 00:21:45,137 on shrinking prairies and tumbleweed mesas 439 00:21:50,009 --> 00:21:53,813 captured, beaten, starved and stunned 440 00:21:53,813 --> 00:21:56,215 cornered and traded 441 00:21:56,215 --> 00:21:59,085 species not meant to be nomadic 442 00:21:59,085 --> 00:22:01,187 wandering rootless as man. 443 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:11,130 Ferlinghetti, liberal poet in search of his father. 444 00:22:14,734 --> 00:22:16,869 I was arrested trying to see what 445 00:22:16,869 --> 00:22:19,772 the inside of the house looked like 446 00:22:20,940 --> 00:22:23,910 where my father was born in Brescia. 447 00:22:23,910 --> 00:22:28,080 This paper, just one of the national press stories about 448 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,650 my bust in Italy and it included a copy 449 00:22:30,650 --> 00:22:33,185 of my father's birth certificate. 450 00:22:33,185 --> 00:22:35,922 All my life, I've been looking for my father's birth place, 451 00:22:35,922 --> 00:22:38,057 looking for my father, and when I find it, 452 00:22:38,057 --> 00:22:42,128 I'm driven away by the people who live there now. 453 00:22:49,536 --> 00:22:53,172 See these ruins of a while civilization there. 454 00:22:53,172 --> 00:22:55,341 People ate and slept here. 455 00:22:57,644 --> 00:23:00,447 They did everything else here, in that ruin right there, 456 00:23:00,447 --> 00:23:02,114 they had people 457 00:23:02,114 --> 00:23:06,285 lying down together, eating together, sleeping together. 458 00:23:08,721 --> 00:23:09,889 Now, all gone. 459 00:23:11,991 --> 00:23:12,825 Finito. 460 00:23:19,265 --> 00:23:21,868 Let me in, I want to pray! 461 00:23:21,868 --> 00:23:23,770 Let me in, I must pray. 462 00:23:25,438 --> 00:23:27,173 Modern man must pray. 463 00:23:43,022 --> 00:23:44,457 El dio invisible. 464 00:23:46,425 --> 00:23:48,360 It was very brilliant of the Catholics to invent 465 00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:51,163 a God that can't be seen. 466 00:23:51,163 --> 00:23:53,466 So you can't prove he exists or he doesn't exist, 467 00:23:53,466 --> 00:23:55,468 cause you can't see him. 468 00:23:57,403 --> 00:24:01,407 If you could see him, he wouldn't be God anymore. 469 00:24:03,042 --> 00:24:05,545 Well, when I was graduating from Chapel Hill, 470 00:24:05,545 --> 00:24:06,779 all the guys I knew 471 00:24:06,779 --> 00:24:08,748 were volunteering for the armed services. 472 00:24:08,748 --> 00:24:11,984 It was the only socially acceptable thing to do. 473 00:24:11,984 --> 00:24:14,754 I had never heard of a conscientious objector. 474 00:24:14,754 --> 00:24:16,523 On the east coast, we didn't have such things 475 00:24:16,523 --> 00:24:17,924 as far as I knew. 476 00:24:19,058 --> 00:24:21,427 After I signed up in the Navy, I was sent to 477 00:24:21,427 --> 00:24:25,331 midshipmen school in Chicago in the fall. 478 00:24:25,331 --> 00:24:28,234 When I graduated, I was an ensign, and two days later, 479 00:24:28,234 --> 00:24:31,337 I was standing out of New York Harbor on my first ship, 480 00:24:31,337 --> 00:24:33,806 which was J. P. Morgan III's yacht 481 00:24:33,806 --> 00:24:35,708 which he had leased to the Navy. 482 00:24:35,708 --> 00:24:37,610 And the Navy gave it a coat of gray paint 483 00:24:37,610 --> 00:24:40,312 and commissioned him as Skipper of the ship. 484 00:24:40,312 --> 00:24:42,615 We had 50 pound sticks of dynamite, 485 00:24:42,615 --> 00:24:44,116 those were our depth charges. 486 00:24:44,116 --> 00:24:46,786 We were supposed to light the fuse and throw it overboard. 487 00:24:48,354 --> 00:24:50,957 That's all we had were depth charges. 488 00:24:50,957 --> 00:24:53,459 And I was in D-Day, June 1944. 489 00:24:54,727 --> 00:24:57,496 We were in an armada of at least 1000 ships, 490 00:24:57,496 --> 00:25:00,199 and we were the smallest U.S. commissioned vessel. 491 00:25:00,199 --> 00:25:01,701 USS Subchaser 1308. 492 00:25:03,469 --> 00:25:07,173 It's a 110 foot wooden ship with 30 men and three officers. 493 00:25:07,173 --> 00:25:09,609 We were on the anti-submarine screen. 494 00:25:09,609 --> 00:25:11,077 We didn't land. 495 00:25:11,077 --> 00:25:13,045 We could see all these dough boys getting shot up 496 00:25:13,045 --> 00:25:14,246 on the beaches. 497 00:25:14,246 --> 00:25:17,449 But we were much safer being in the Navy. 498 00:25:17,449 --> 00:25:19,719 We had a camera on board, and a little camera lab, 499 00:25:19,719 --> 00:25:22,555 and we took a lot of amateur pictures. 500 00:25:22,555 --> 00:25:24,356 We didn't have time to take many. 501 00:25:24,356 --> 00:25:25,625 I was the skipper 502 00:25:25,625 --> 00:25:27,560 and Gene Fineblatt was the Executive Officer 503 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:32,198 and we were steaming in the huge convoy all around us, 504 00:25:32,198 --> 00:25:34,500 a forest of masts arising 505 00:25:34,500 --> 00:25:36,468 from all the separate ports in England 506 00:25:36,468 --> 00:25:38,204 where they had departed 507 00:25:38,204 --> 00:25:41,574 so we all came together just as dawn was breaking 508 00:25:41,574 --> 00:25:44,844 when the whole fleet headed for the beach, 509 00:25:44,844 --> 00:25:47,580 and started debarking the troops. 510 00:25:56,488 --> 00:25:58,424 The sea is calm tonight 511 00:25:59,325 --> 00:26:00,526 off Dover Beach 512 00:26:01,493 --> 00:26:02,929 The birds at dusk 513 00:26:02,929 --> 00:26:04,130 cry out syllables 514 00:26:04,130 --> 00:26:06,298 of some deconstructed word 515 00:26:06,298 --> 00:26:08,668 we are yet unable to decipher 516 00:26:08,668 --> 00:26:10,336 to explain existence 517 00:26:11,704 --> 00:26:15,975 And they lift the last light with their wings 518 00:26:15,975 --> 00:26:17,576 Keeping the secret. 519 00:26:22,448 --> 00:26:25,384 At the time of the liberation in Paris, 520 00:26:25,384 --> 00:26:28,921 that fall, the fall of '44, I got orders to go back 521 00:26:28,921 --> 00:26:32,258 to the states and then cross the Pacific toward Japan 522 00:26:32,258 --> 00:26:35,227 and we were loaded with 5000 troops. 523 00:26:35,227 --> 00:26:38,364 We were supposed to be an invasion force. 524 00:26:38,364 --> 00:26:39,531 But, unknown to us... 525 00:26:51,711 --> 00:26:54,080 We took a train to Nagasaki one day 526 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,514 and it was totally open. 527 00:26:55,514 --> 00:26:59,318 There was no guards or anything keeping people out. 528 00:27:00,419 --> 00:27:02,321 Of course this was maybe six or seven weeks 529 00:27:02,321 --> 00:27:04,957 after the bomb was dropped. 530 00:27:04,957 --> 00:27:07,860 They'd cleaned up the site somewhat. 531 00:27:07,860 --> 00:27:11,964 And I walked around in this, like, a three square mile 532 00:27:11,964 --> 00:27:16,135 mulch of fused ruins, like human flesh fused to a tea cup. 533 00:27:17,937 --> 00:27:22,208 And bones and hair sticking out of this mulch. 534 00:27:22,208 --> 00:27:26,545 Every single building flattened and pulverized. 535 00:27:26,545 --> 00:27:29,648 And you realize a while city, it just 536 00:27:30,616 --> 00:27:31,617 disappeared. 537 00:27:32,819 --> 00:27:35,487 Made me an instant pacifist. 538 00:27:35,487 --> 00:27:37,223 No doubt about it. 539 00:27:37,223 --> 00:27:39,525 Up to that night, I was totally politically naïve. 540 00:27:39,525 --> 00:27:43,963 I was a good American boy, Boy Scout, never questioned it, 541 00:27:43,963 --> 00:27:45,131 being in the military service. 542 00:27:45,131 --> 00:27:47,233 Of course this is World War II, 543 00:27:47,233 --> 00:27:48,701 which is called the Good War. 544 00:27:48,701 --> 00:27:51,503 And, so there was no discussion about 545 00:27:51,503 --> 00:27:52,905 whether we should be in the war 546 00:27:52,905 --> 00:27:55,341 or should we have dropped the bomb. 547 00:27:55,341 --> 00:28:00,112 Years later, after I became more politically literate, 548 00:28:00,112 --> 00:28:01,313 I came to the conclusion, 549 00:28:01,313 --> 00:28:02,681 we never would have dropped the bomb 550 00:28:02,681 --> 00:28:06,152 if the Japanese had had white skin. 551 00:28:06,152 --> 00:28:08,554 It was monstrous, racist act. 552 00:28:15,127 --> 00:28:19,231 After Nagasaki, we steamed back to Portland, Oregon. 553 00:28:19,231 --> 00:28:21,400 And so, I was mustered out there 554 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,970 and took at train across to New York. 555 00:28:23,970 --> 00:28:27,373 I ended up working in the mail room at Time Magazine. 556 00:28:27,373 --> 00:28:30,142 Cause I thought I could work up to copy boy 557 00:28:30,142 --> 00:28:33,545 and so up become a great writer for Time Magazine, 558 00:28:33,545 --> 00:28:34,981 Time Inc. 559 00:28:34,981 --> 00:28:38,150 We were a scurvy crew down there, mostly disgruntled G.I.s 560 00:28:38,150 --> 00:28:40,419 and grunts from the army and others intent 561 00:28:40,419 --> 00:28:42,254 on fucking up the system. 562 00:28:42,254 --> 00:28:44,023 After seven or eight months, I get discouraged 563 00:28:44,023 --> 00:28:46,959 and went to Columbia university on the G.I. bill 564 00:28:46,959 --> 00:28:48,928 and got an M.A. instead. 565 00:28:48,928 --> 00:28:51,530 I still had in mind getting back to France. 566 00:28:51,530 --> 00:28:52,799 So, as soon as I got my M.A., 567 00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:55,634 I took off for Paris, immediately. 568 00:28:57,003 --> 00:28:58,737 So, I looked up George Whitman when I got to Paris. 569 00:28:58,737 --> 00:29:01,540 He was living in a real dump of a hotel 570 00:29:01,540 --> 00:29:03,642 on Boulevard Saint Michel, 571 00:29:03,642 --> 00:29:07,046 in a tiny room with books stacked up on the wall 572 00:29:07,046 --> 00:29:09,048 on three sides and George in the middle 573 00:29:09,048 --> 00:29:12,518 in a broken down easy chair, cooking his dinner 574 00:29:12,518 --> 00:29:15,054 over a can of Sterno. 575 00:29:15,054 --> 00:29:17,056 That's how it all began. 576 00:29:18,390 --> 00:29:21,894 - This is the second time that I have seen 577 00:29:23,162 --> 00:29:25,865 Lawrence and George together. 578 00:29:25,865 --> 00:29:28,167 And, both times have been really moving because 579 00:29:28,167 --> 00:29:32,004 there's a very strong sense of familiarity 580 00:29:32,004 --> 00:29:32,972 between the two of them 581 00:29:32,972 --> 00:29:34,907 which I hardly ever see with Dad 582 00:29:34,907 --> 00:29:38,710 because most of the people around Dad are very young. 583 00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:40,546 I think that's one of the secrets why he's 584 00:29:40,546 --> 00:29:43,015 stayed so young himself. 585 00:29:43,015 --> 00:29:45,985 But to see him with an old, old friend, 586 00:29:45,985 --> 00:29:47,586 where there's this long history 587 00:29:47,586 --> 00:29:51,723 and this very intimate, shared passion for literature 588 00:29:51,723 --> 00:29:53,325 that's been their life. 589 00:29:53,325 --> 00:29:55,494 - Well, we were both at Sorbonne together 590 00:29:55,494 --> 00:29:57,196 at the same period I mean. 591 00:29:57,196 --> 00:30:00,967 I got a little diploma in French civilization 592 00:30:00,967 --> 00:30:03,335 and he got very much advanced degree, 593 00:30:03,335 --> 00:30:04,270 a doctorate 594 00:30:05,437 --> 00:30:08,374 and I heard him defend his thesis 595 00:30:08,374 --> 00:30:09,876 at the Sorbonne 596 00:30:09,876 --> 00:30:14,646 on the image of the city and the of poetry of T. S. Eliot. 597 00:30:14,646 --> 00:30:17,316 Which was an unforgettable experience. 598 00:30:17,316 --> 00:30:19,385 - The thesis was on the subject of 599 00:30:19,385 --> 00:30:22,521 "La Cite, Symbole dans la poesie moderne" 600 00:30:22,521 --> 00:30:24,891 I knew more about American poetry I felt 601 00:30:24,891 --> 00:30:26,358 than the professors on stage, 602 00:30:26,358 --> 00:30:28,895 so I got away with murder with what I said about 603 00:30:28,895 --> 00:30:30,829 various American poets. 604 00:30:32,364 --> 00:30:35,667 - Neither of us knew we were gonna be booksellers. 605 00:30:35,667 --> 00:30:37,236 All of us thought we were going to write 606 00:30:37,236 --> 00:30:40,772 the great American novel, of course, like everyone else. 607 00:30:40,772 --> 00:30:44,610 But, I ended up opening this bookstore in 1951 608 00:30:46,645 --> 00:30:48,180 in Paris. 609 00:30:48,180 --> 00:30:51,783 And he opened his bookstore in 1953 in San Francisco. 610 00:30:51,783 --> 00:30:54,153 - The reason we have that sign saying City Lights Books 611 00:30:54,153 --> 00:30:55,721 above Shakespeare and Company, 612 00:30:55,721 --> 00:30:57,389 and the reason Lawrence has put Shakespeare and Company 613 00:30:57,389 --> 00:30:59,992 above the doorway of City Lights is because 614 00:30:59,992 --> 00:31:03,229 there's the long history of friendship between 615 00:31:03,229 --> 00:31:05,297 two bohemian booksellers 616 00:31:05,297 --> 00:31:07,233 that have made literature their life. 617 00:31:07,233 --> 00:31:09,368 Lawrence told me that the original idea was that 618 00:31:09,368 --> 00:31:11,603 George and Lawrence would work one year 619 00:31:11,603 --> 00:31:15,441 in their own bookshop and then swap for a year. 620 00:31:15,441 --> 00:31:19,611 But then they both got too big and it wasn't possible. 621 00:31:33,392 --> 00:31:36,062 - And the Arabs ask terrible questions. 622 00:31:36,062 --> 00:31:38,730 And the Pope didn't know what to say. 623 00:31:38,730 --> 00:31:41,233 And the people ran around in wooden shoes asking 624 00:31:41,233 --> 00:31:43,735 which way was the head of Midas facing 625 00:31:43,735 --> 00:31:47,139 and everyone said no instead of yes. 626 00:31:47,139 --> 00:31:48,740 While still forever 627 00:31:48,740 --> 00:31:50,676 in the Luxembourg gardens 628 00:31:50,676 --> 00:31:52,478 in the fountains of the Medici 629 00:31:52,478 --> 00:31:54,813 were there fat, red goldfish 630 00:31:54,813 --> 00:31:56,415 and the fat white goldfish 631 00:31:56,415 --> 00:31:58,884 and the children running around the pool 632 00:31:58,884 --> 00:32:00,252 pointing and piping 633 00:32:00,252 --> 00:32:03,990 Les poisson rouge, les poisson rouge. 634 00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:07,326 They ran off and a leaf unhooked itself 635 00:32:07,326 --> 00:32:09,161 and fell upon the pool, 636 00:32:09,161 --> 00:32:12,631 and lay like an eye winking circles 637 00:32:12,631 --> 00:32:15,934 and then the pool was very still 638 00:32:15,934 --> 00:32:18,870 and there was a dog just standing there 639 00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:20,706 at the edge of the pool 640 00:32:20,706 --> 00:32:23,309 looking down at the tranced fish 641 00:32:23,309 --> 00:32:28,180 and not barking or waving its funny tail or anything 642 00:32:28,180 --> 00:32:31,117 so that, for a moment then, 643 00:32:31,117 --> 00:32:33,452 in the late November dusk, 644 00:32:33,452 --> 00:32:35,221 silence hung 645 00:32:35,221 --> 00:32:36,555 like a lost idea 646 00:32:37,756 --> 00:32:40,159 and a statue turned its head. 647 00:32:57,043 --> 00:32:58,577 That's perfect. 648 00:32:58,577 --> 00:33:01,013 - Yeah, very nice. 649 00:33:02,181 --> 00:33:04,016 - I finally arrived in San Francisco 650 00:33:04,016 --> 00:33:05,284 in January 1951 651 00:33:06,385 --> 00:33:08,887 and my real political education began 652 00:33:08,887 --> 00:33:11,090 when I met Kenneth Rexroth. 653 00:33:11,090 --> 00:33:13,559 He held Friday night soirees at his house, 654 00:33:13,559 --> 00:33:16,562 250 Scott Street in the old Filmore district 655 00:33:16,562 --> 00:33:20,166 and it was usually attended by a dozen poets or so. 656 00:33:20,166 --> 00:33:24,336 He had program on KPFA where he reviewed many fields, 657 00:33:24,336 --> 00:33:27,706 philosophy, geology, astronomy, the classics. 658 00:33:27,706 --> 00:33:31,143 - Last week I talked about the anarchist. 659 00:33:32,544 --> 00:33:35,947 You see, what is called society in capital letters, 660 00:33:35,947 --> 00:33:40,119 usually feels that it has a certain cultural responsibility. 661 00:33:42,221 --> 00:33:46,825 Now, this is one big factor in the cultural night 662 00:33:46,825 --> 00:33:50,996 which is long since shut down over official 663 00:33:50,996 --> 00:33:53,765 San Francsico, well, that's that. 664 00:33:55,567 --> 00:33:57,169 - Rexroth considered himself 665 00:33:57,169 --> 00:33:58,870 a philosophical anarchist. 666 00:33:58,870 --> 00:34:01,073 And listening to KPFA in the 1950's 667 00:34:01,073 --> 00:34:02,941 was a complete education. 668 00:34:02,941 --> 00:34:04,243 From the dissident point of view, 669 00:34:04,243 --> 00:34:05,944 from the anarchist point of view, 670 00:34:05,944 --> 00:34:07,313 and when the war ended, 671 00:34:07,313 --> 00:34:09,681 quite a few of the conscientious objectors 672 00:34:09,681 --> 00:34:13,852 came to San Francisco on account of Kenneth Rexroth. 673 00:34:17,489 --> 00:34:19,225 - Everybody talks about the excitement of North Beach 674 00:34:19,225 --> 00:34:21,827 and it certainly was incredibly exciting. 675 00:34:24,130 --> 00:34:25,497 Every writer and artist in the world 676 00:34:25,497 --> 00:34:27,766 would come through somehow. 677 00:34:30,102 --> 00:34:31,337 Lenny Bruce would wander in. 678 00:34:31,337 --> 00:34:33,639 He'd just been arrested three times that week. 679 00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:37,443 But, it was also wild and dangerous and crazy at times 680 00:34:37,443 --> 00:34:39,345 and you get nuts coming through and drunks 681 00:34:39,345 --> 00:34:40,779 and there would be fights, and you know, 682 00:34:40,779 --> 00:34:42,414 it's the real world. 683 00:34:42,414 --> 00:34:45,050 In the middle of this whole crazy zoo, 684 00:34:45,050 --> 00:34:48,454 Lawrence always exuded a sense of calm, 685 00:34:48,454 --> 00:34:49,855 he was always relaxed. 686 00:34:49,855 --> 00:34:53,091 He always somehow saw a larger picture. 687 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,228 And I think he's had that impact on a lot of people, 688 00:34:56,228 --> 00:34:58,630 and where it hit me, is this guy coming in, 689 00:34:58,630 --> 00:35:00,699 he was looking for Lawrence. 690 00:35:00,699 --> 00:35:02,168 He didn't want to leave town without 691 00:35:02,168 --> 00:35:03,202 seeing Lawrence Ferlinghetti 692 00:35:03,202 --> 00:35:04,403 to thank him. 693 00:35:04,403 --> 00:35:06,638 And he said that he was at the Gate of Horn, 694 00:35:06,638 --> 00:35:08,640 it was a famous place in Chicago. 695 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,310 They had one of these all night poetry things. 696 00:35:11,310 --> 00:35:14,246 Ferlinghetti was the headliner and the reason people came. 697 00:35:14,246 --> 00:35:16,615 Dylan was one of the last poets to read, 698 00:35:16,615 --> 00:35:17,683 and no one was paying attention, 699 00:35:17,683 --> 00:35:19,151 everybody was drunk by now. 700 00:35:19,151 --> 00:35:20,686 And the way he told the story to me, 701 00:35:20,686 --> 00:35:23,189 is Lawrence Ferlinghetti stood up and said, 702 00:35:23,189 --> 00:35:25,291 "You should be listening to this guy's poetry. 703 00:35:25,291 --> 00:35:27,193 "He's the best poet to read tonight." 704 00:35:27,193 --> 00:35:30,662 And the crowd quieted down and they listened to him. 705 00:35:30,662 --> 00:35:33,832 He said it just gave him the confidence to be a poet 706 00:35:33,832 --> 00:35:36,235 and that his words mattered, and so forth. 707 00:35:36,235 --> 00:35:38,770 - Next we have A Baseball Canto 708 00:35:38,770 --> 00:35:40,839 by Lawrence Ferlinghetti, a well known poet, 709 00:35:40,839 --> 00:35:43,041 who lived in San Francisco. 710 00:35:43,041 --> 00:35:45,444 He started the City Lights Bookstore. 711 00:35:45,444 --> 00:35:48,280 He was a brave man and brave poet. 712 00:35:49,715 --> 00:35:52,484 Watching baseball, sitting in the sun, eating popcorn, 713 00:35:52,484 --> 00:35:55,721 reading Ezra Pound and wishing that Juan Marichal 714 00:35:55,721 --> 00:35:58,357 would hit a hole right though the Anglo-Saxon tradition 715 00:35:58,357 --> 00:35:59,991 in the first canto 716 00:35:59,991 --> 00:36:03,395 and demolish the Barbarian invaders. 717 00:36:03,395 --> 00:36:06,765 Well, why don't I let Lawrence tell you the rest of it? 718 00:36:06,765 --> 00:36:09,968 Lawrence Ferlinghetti, Baseball Canto. 719 00:36:09,968 --> 00:36:12,003 - When the San Francisco Giants take the field, 720 00:36:12,003 --> 00:36:14,606 and everybody stands up for the national anthem 721 00:36:14,606 --> 00:36:16,908 with all the players struck dead in their places 722 00:36:16,908 --> 00:36:19,578 and the white umpires like Irish cops 723 00:36:19,578 --> 00:36:22,248 and facing east as if expecting some great white hope 724 00:36:22,248 --> 00:36:25,684 or the founding fathers to appear on the horizon 725 00:36:25,684 --> 00:36:28,053 but Willie Mays appears instead 726 00:36:28,053 --> 00:36:30,256 in the bottom of the first and the roar goes up 727 00:36:30,256 --> 00:36:34,426 as he clouts the first one into the sun and takes off 728 00:36:34,426 --> 00:36:36,262 and the ball is lost in the sun 729 00:36:36,262 --> 00:36:38,664 and maidens wail after him 730 00:36:38,664 --> 00:36:41,700 and he keeps running through the Anglo-Saxon epic. 731 00:36:41,700 --> 00:36:45,070 And Tito Fuentes comes up looking like a bull fighter 732 00:36:45,070 --> 00:36:48,774 in his tight pants and small pointed shoes 733 00:36:48,774 --> 00:36:51,610 and the right field bleachers go mad. 734 00:36:51,610 --> 00:36:54,880 Sweet Tito! Sock it to him, Sweet Tito. 735 00:37:44,396 --> 00:37:47,766 - Hot day, and I was wearing this very hot wool djellaba 736 00:37:47,766 --> 00:37:48,867 from Morocco. 737 00:37:50,436 --> 00:37:52,438 Someone at City Lights, maybe it was me, 738 00:37:52,438 --> 00:37:55,507 reported a fire on the premises 739 00:37:55,507 --> 00:37:57,376 and in the middle of this photo shoot, 740 00:37:57,376 --> 00:37:59,445 whenever all the poets were gathered in front of the store, 741 00:37:59,445 --> 00:38:01,046 this big hook and ladder 742 00:38:01,046 --> 00:38:02,047 steams up in front of the bookstore 743 00:38:02,047 --> 00:38:04,350 with the sirens screaming. 744 00:38:04,350 --> 00:38:05,851 I didn't realize you could be put in jail 745 00:38:05,851 --> 00:38:08,253 for turning in a false alarm. 746 00:38:09,455 --> 00:38:12,491 Back then, what did we know? 747 00:38:34,245 --> 00:38:37,082 Poets come out of your closets. 748 00:38:37,082 --> 00:38:40,051 Open your windows, open your doors. 749 00:38:40,051 --> 00:38:41,920 You have been holed up too long 750 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,523 in your closed worlds. 751 00:38:44,523 --> 00:38:47,859 No time now for the artist to hide. 752 00:38:47,859 --> 00:38:50,095 Above, beyond, behind the scenes. 753 00:38:50,095 --> 00:38:52,163 Indifferent, paring his fingernails, 754 00:38:52,163 --> 00:38:55,133 refining himself out of existence. 755 00:38:55,133 --> 00:38:58,537 No time now for our little literary games, 756 00:38:58,537 --> 00:39:02,608 no time no for our paranoias and hypochondrias. 757 00:39:02,608 --> 00:39:05,110 No time now for fear and loathing. 758 00:39:05,110 --> 00:39:07,846 Time now only for light and love. 759 00:39:09,180 --> 00:39:13,018 Don't call me a beat! I never was a beat poet. 760 00:39:14,753 --> 00:39:16,254 When I arrived in San Francisco, 761 00:39:16,254 --> 00:39:19,758 I was still wearing my French beret, 1950, 762 00:39:20,926 --> 00:39:23,061 long before anyone had heard of the beats, 763 00:39:23,061 --> 00:39:25,230 and it wasn't until City Lights published 764 00:39:25,230 --> 00:39:28,099 Allen Ginsberg's Howl in 1956, that 765 00:39:28,099 --> 00:39:29,601 the Beats arrived. 766 00:39:31,036 --> 00:39:32,571 - It's where all the guys from New York came through, 767 00:39:32,571 --> 00:39:34,673 from Ginsberg to Kerouac, 768 00:39:34,673 --> 00:39:39,611 And with Berman came Rexroth, David Meltzer, Ferlinghetti. 769 00:39:39,611 --> 00:39:42,448 They all came down, they did poetry to jazz. 770 00:39:42,448 --> 00:39:46,217 And that influx started a generation of artists here, 771 00:39:46,217 --> 00:39:47,719 visual artists. 772 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,089 - News, the sort of trickle-down news 773 00:39:51,089 --> 00:39:54,526 of what was going on in San Francisco in the early 50's 774 00:39:54,526 --> 00:39:57,929 would be beginnings of the beat movement. 775 00:39:57,929 --> 00:40:00,265 This stuff found its way down south 776 00:40:00,265 --> 00:40:02,868 and did bring in an enormous cultural wake. 777 00:40:02,868 --> 00:40:04,636 - There was this communication back and forth 778 00:40:04,636 --> 00:40:07,473 between the poets and the visual artists in Los Angeles 779 00:40:07,473 --> 00:40:09,875 who also thought of themselves as poets. 780 00:40:09,875 --> 00:40:11,643 - Painters inspired poets, 781 00:40:11,643 --> 00:40:13,845 and the poets inspired painters. 782 00:40:13,845 --> 00:40:16,214 And that was a beautiful exchange. 783 00:40:16,214 --> 00:40:19,417 - Ferlinghetti and that whole group were like interlocked 784 00:40:19,417 --> 00:40:22,353 and inter-involved here, and I don't think the art movement, 785 00:40:22,353 --> 00:40:24,456 the visual art movement in Los Angeles, 786 00:40:24,456 --> 00:40:26,057 could have possibly happened without 787 00:40:26,057 --> 00:40:28,059 the San Francisco poets. 788 00:40:32,030 --> 00:40:33,932 - The role of the artists, 789 00:40:33,932 --> 00:40:36,034 I mean there's all kinds of roles, 790 00:40:36,034 --> 00:40:37,969 hot cross buns, there's 791 00:40:41,406 --> 00:40:42,974 croissants. 792 00:40:42,974 --> 00:40:45,176 Depends on whether you want to be a real genteel artist 793 00:40:45,176 --> 00:40:48,013 or you want to be a hot cross bun artist 794 00:40:48,013 --> 00:40:49,581 or you want to be a 795 00:40:51,016 --> 00:40:53,218 delicate croissant artist. 796 00:40:53,218 --> 00:40:54,886 There's all kinds of art and artists. 797 00:40:54,886 --> 00:40:57,956 I mean, if you like mustard on your roll, 798 00:40:57,956 --> 00:40:59,457 that's another kind. 799 00:40:59,457 --> 00:41:01,527 I mean, I think most artists, if they're playing a role 800 00:41:01,527 --> 00:41:04,462 they should put more mustard on it. 801 00:41:08,233 --> 00:41:11,703 If you can't cut the mustard, then you know, 802 00:41:11,703 --> 00:41:14,506 you're not much of an artist. 803 00:41:14,506 --> 00:41:15,641 Put on my 804 00:41:15,641 --> 00:41:17,308 proper painting hat. 805 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,515 I had this in my head all these years. 806 00:41:23,515 --> 00:41:24,616 You see this? 807 00:41:25,751 --> 00:41:28,253 This is the first line from Ezra Pound's 808 00:41:28,253 --> 00:41:29,621 First Canto. 809 00:41:29,621 --> 00:41:31,857 And then went down to the ship, 810 00:41:31,857 --> 00:41:35,694 Set keel to breakers, forth on the godly seas, 811 00:41:36,862 --> 00:41:39,998 and we set up mast and sail on that swart ship, 812 00:41:39,998 --> 00:41:43,835 Bore sheep aboard her, and our bodies also 813 00:41:43,835 --> 00:41:48,039 Heavy with weeping, and winds from sternward 814 00:41:48,039 --> 00:41:51,376 Bore us out onward with bellying canvas. 815 00:41:53,178 --> 00:41:56,414 We're trying to represent reality so-called, 816 00:41:56,414 --> 00:41:58,650 quote, unquote in painting. 817 00:41:58,650 --> 00:41:59,885 We're supposed to paint reality, 818 00:41:59,885 --> 00:42:02,721 but it's really just another form of fiction. 819 00:42:02,721 --> 00:42:05,256 The painter himself in various disguises, 820 00:42:05,256 --> 00:42:09,194 disguising himself in various images on canvas, 821 00:42:09,194 --> 00:42:11,462 just like in writing poems. 822 00:42:12,798 --> 00:42:14,299 Nothing but masks. 823 00:42:15,767 --> 00:42:20,138 I asked 100 painters and 100 poets how to paint sunlight 824 00:42:20,138 --> 00:42:21,439 on the face of life. 825 00:42:21,439 --> 00:42:23,274 Their answers were ambiguous, 826 00:42:23,274 --> 00:42:26,544 whereas it seems to me, all you have to do 827 00:42:26,544 --> 00:42:30,148 is conceive of the whole world and all humanity 828 00:42:30,148 --> 00:42:32,183 as a kind of artwork. 829 00:42:32,183 --> 00:42:34,786 An art project of the god of light, 830 00:42:34,786 --> 00:42:37,088 the whole earth and all that's in it, 831 00:42:37,088 --> 00:42:39,157 to be painted with light. 832 00:42:42,260 --> 00:42:45,296 Did that butterfly ask me a question? 833 00:42:45,296 --> 00:42:48,466 Only the Buddha can ask me a question. 834 00:42:49,701 --> 00:42:52,403 I'm not a zen, and I'm not a banana, 835 00:42:52,403 --> 00:42:53,504 and I'm not a 836 00:42:55,073 --> 00:42:56,742 bug. I'm not a bear. 837 00:42:58,176 --> 00:43:00,712 I'm not tree, I'm not a flower. 838 00:43:02,113 --> 00:43:06,184 I'm a two-legged creature, lying on his back in the sun. 839 00:43:07,786 --> 00:43:10,288 In the temple of the zen fool. 840 00:43:13,992 --> 00:43:18,029 Jack Kerouac had to arrive by taxi from San Francisco 841 00:43:18,029 --> 00:43:20,632 at four in the morning with his brakeman's lantern 842 00:43:20,632 --> 00:43:22,868 and stumbled around in the meadow trying to find the cabin 843 00:43:22,868 --> 00:43:26,537 and finally flaked out in the meadow spread eagle 844 00:43:26,537 --> 00:43:28,573 where we found him the next morning 845 00:43:28,573 --> 00:43:30,341 in a full state of meditation 846 00:43:30,341 --> 00:43:32,510 with tete de bois 847 00:43:32,510 --> 00:43:35,914 with a tongue of wood, totally hung over. 848 00:43:38,083 --> 00:43:40,618 Essentially came down here to recover from alcoholism. 849 00:43:40,618 --> 00:43:44,289 But he didn't have a change to do that cause 850 00:43:45,556 --> 00:43:47,592 various beatniks kept showing up 851 00:43:47,592 --> 00:43:49,327 like Neal Cassady and 852 00:43:51,329 --> 00:43:53,264 Michael McClure and me. 853 00:43:55,967 --> 00:43:58,169 Kerouac and I were sitting on the beach, 854 00:43:58,169 --> 00:44:00,238 and he out his little spiral notebook 855 00:44:00,238 --> 00:44:01,639 that he always carried. 856 00:44:01,639 --> 00:44:03,141 He said, what did the sea say? 857 00:44:03,141 --> 00:44:07,545 And I said, "Le possion du mer parlent le Breton." 858 00:44:07,545 --> 00:44:10,281 The fish of the sea speak Breton. 859 00:44:11,616 --> 00:44:13,084 And said, "What was that? What was that?" 860 00:44:13,084 --> 00:44:16,755 And I said, it's an old Brittany proverb. 861 00:44:16,755 --> 00:44:18,556 The fish of the sea speak Breton. 862 00:44:18,556 --> 00:44:20,358 And he wrote that down in his notebook 863 00:44:20,358 --> 00:44:22,193 and that's on the last page of the book. 864 00:44:22,193 --> 00:44:23,929 That's how the novel ends. 865 00:44:23,929 --> 00:44:26,364 The Canticle of Jack Kerouac. 866 00:44:28,533 --> 00:44:32,704 Far from the sea far from the sea of Breton fishermen 867 00:44:33,839 --> 00:44:37,042 the white clouds scudding over Lowell 868 00:44:37,042 --> 00:44:40,111 and the white birches the bare white birches 869 00:44:40,111 --> 00:44:41,947 along the blear night roads 870 00:44:41,947 --> 00:44:43,782 flashing by in darkness 871 00:44:43,782 --> 00:44:45,450 where once he rode 872 00:44:45,450 --> 00:44:47,218 in Pop's old Plymouth 873 00:44:48,319 --> 00:44:49,955 And the birch-white face 874 00:44:49,955 --> 00:44:51,622 of a Merrimac madonna 875 00:44:51,622 --> 00:44:55,861 shadowed in streetlight by Merrimac's shroudy waters 876 00:44:55,861 --> 00:44:58,696 a leaf blown upon sea wind 877 00:44:58,696 --> 00:45:00,231 out of Brittany 878 00:45:00,231 --> 00:45:01,833 over endless oceans. 879 00:45:14,279 --> 00:45:18,283 - And I feel all in all that Jack simply was not 880 00:45:19,684 --> 00:45:22,353 a committed political revolutionary. 881 00:45:22,353 --> 00:45:24,355 - No certainly not, I mean...(obscured by others talking) 882 00:45:24,355 --> 00:45:26,491 - ...thinking he was. 883 00:45:26,491 --> 00:45:28,927 And I'm not for that matter, are you? 884 00:45:28,927 --> 00:45:31,797 - I certainly would see this a a completely 885 00:45:31,797 --> 00:45:33,264 different type of writing from my writing. 886 00:45:33,264 --> 00:45:35,033 - Are you, Lawrence? 887 00:45:35,033 --> 00:45:37,869 - I don't want to sound pretentious. 888 00:45:37,869 --> 00:45:41,239 - That's not the question. Just a simple yes or no. 889 00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:42,173 - Why, of course. 890 00:45:48,413 --> 00:45:50,348 I was tourist at revolutions. 891 00:45:50,348 --> 00:45:53,885 I was good at being where things happened in the 1960's 892 00:45:53,885 --> 00:45:55,854 I was in Paris in '68. 893 00:45:55,854 --> 00:45:58,289 I was in Mexico City in '68 894 00:45:58,289 --> 00:46:00,391 when the students were shot down. 895 00:46:00,391 --> 00:46:04,495 I was in Cuba in 1959, the second anniversary 896 00:46:04,495 --> 00:46:07,065 of the Cuban Revolution. 897 00:46:07,065 --> 00:46:11,469 And, 50th anniversary of the Russian Revolution, 1968. 898 00:46:11,469 --> 00:46:15,173 And in the 1970s, I was a Sandinista. 899 00:46:15,173 --> 00:46:17,275 And I went down to Nicaragua 900 00:46:17,275 --> 00:46:20,745 to support the Sandinista Revolution. 901 00:46:20,745 --> 00:46:23,714 And new Americans are coming. 902 00:46:23,714 --> 00:46:25,450 New North Americanos, 903 00:46:27,085 --> 00:46:30,255 the ones who are not like Reagan, 904 00:46:30,255 --> 00:46:33,358 the ones who are not like Abrams, 905 00:46:33,358 --> 00:46:35,726 the ones who are not like North, 906 00:46:35,726 --> 00:46:38,096 the ones who are not like Bush, 907 00:46:38,096 --> 00:46:41,232 the ones are who are not like the short-haired hyenas 908 00:46:41,232 --> 00:46:42,968 of American business. 909 00:46:44,135 --> 00:46:47,038 There are more Ryan Wilsons coming. 910 00:46:49,107 --> 00:46:52,510 There are millions more like Ryan Wilson. 911 00:46:53,711 --> 00:46:57,082 If only they awaken, if only they awaken. 912 00:46:59,550 --> 00:47:00,351 Nica, nica 913 00:47:01,887 --> 00:47:03,821 the flame trees, 914 00:47:03,821 --> 00:47:05,991 the framboyan are blooming 915 00:47:07,225 --> 00:47:09,694 and phoenixes rise up 916 00:47:09,694 --> 00:47:11,629 out of volcanoes. 917 00:47:23,174 --> 00:47:25,476 - Lawrence is basically, 918 00:47:25,476 --> 00:47:28,146 an anarchoid, civil libertarian. 919 00:47:30,415 --> 00:47:33,251 He's a man, let's say of the left. 920 00:47:34,585 --> 00:47:37,155 He lived through the existential period. 921 00:47:37,155 --> 00:47:39,357 That had big influence on him, actually, big influence. 922 00:47:39,357 --> 00:47:43,494 - I was coming in the 40's, and I'm still coming from 923 00:47:43,494 --> 00:47:46,797 a background of French intellectual 924 00:47:46,797 --> 00:47:49,467 and going back to Albert Camus, 925 00:47:50,868 --> 00:47:53,571 you can not cooperate with the state 926 00:47:53,571 --> 00:47:55,406 because if you collaborate in any way 927 00:47:55,406 --> 00:47:57,842 you are guilty my complicity. 928 00:47:59,010 --> 00:48:03,281 And I find that 9/10 or 95% 929 00:48:03,281 --> 00:48:05,250 of the supposedly dissident presses 930 00:48:05,250 --> 00:48:07,352 and writers in the United States 931 00:48:07,352 --> 00:48:08,786 in the last 20 years have cooperated 932 00:48:08,786 --> 00:48:10,255 with the United States government, 933 00:48:10,255 --> 00:48:13,959 by accepting grants from the National Endowment of the Arts. 934 00:48:28,339 --> 00:48:32,177 I salute thee, national pilot of our destinies 935 00:48:32,177 --> 00:48:33,578 in Air Force One. 936 00:48:34,845 --> 00:48:38,449 I salute thee, mass murderer by complicity 937 00:48:38,449 --> 00:48:41,586 while there is a strung out soul in Santa Rita prison, 938 00:48:41,586 --> 00:48:42,988 I am not free. 939 00:48:42,988 --> 00:48:46,891 While there is a napalmed class, I am of it. 940 00:48:46,891 --> 00:48:49,927 I raise m y middle finger to you, 941 00:48:49,927 --> 00:48:53,798 smiling supporter of benevolent, imperial nationalism 942 00:48:53,798 --> 00:48:56,367 built upon political falses 943 00:48:56,367 --> 00:48:58,469 which still rule Washington 944 00:48:58,469 --> 00:49:00,638 and which you and every other politician 945 00:49:00,638 --> 00:49:03,308 and president, including Kennedy, 946 00:49:03,308 --> 00:49:06,144 were too political not to inherit. 947 00:49:06,144 --> 00:49:08,879 Don't call me on your red telephone 948 00:49:08,879 --> 00:49:12,050 war is good business, invest your son. 949 00:49:18,023 --> 00:49:20,625 - Ferlinghetti was always the central caution 950 00:49:20,625 --> 00:49:22,060 against government. 951 00:49:22,060 --> 00:49:24,695 Never trust government, never trust power, 952 00:49:24,695 --> 00:49:26,164 question it. 953 00:49:26,164 --> 00:49:27,999 So when people on the lest would be more inclined 954 00:49:27,999 --> 00:49:30,568 to sell out on some of the stuff and look the other way 955 00:49:30,568 --> 00:49:31,936 when we shouldn't have, 956 00:49:31,936 --> 00:49:33,404 or what so-called revolutionaries were doing, 957 00:49:33,404 --> 00:49:36,741 Ferlinghetti never romanticized people in power, 958 00:49:36,741 --> 00:49:37,675 of anybody. 959 00:49:37,675 --> 00:49:40,345 He was always suspicious of it. 960 00:49:40,345 --> 00:49:44,182 - The state encroached more and more worldwide 961 00:49:44,182 --> 00:49:46,917 on the freedom on the individual, 962 00:49:46,917 --> 00:49:50,688 the position of the poet as bearer of eros 963 00:49:50,688 --> 00:49:55,426 and as such an anarchist against the state by definition 964 00:49:55,426 --> 00:49:57,495 into the middle man in each of us, 965 00:49:57,495 --> 00:49:59,530 the subjective in each of us, 966 00:49:59,530 --> 00:50:02,700 which is so graphically illustrated by 967 00:50:03,768 --> 00:50:06,904 Chaplin and his "little man." 968 00:50:06,904 --> 00:50:09,540 It's as if the state and modern civilization in general 969 00:50:09,540 --> 00:50:13,611 were out to destroy the subjective in each of us. 970 00:50:16,347 --> 00:50:19,617 Constantly risking absurdity and death, 971 00:50:20,785 --> 00:50:24,522 the poet like an acrobat balancing on eyebeams 972 00:50:25,956 --> 00:50:29,694 performing entrechats and sleight-of-foot tricks. 973 00:50:29,694 --> 00:50:32,497 And other high theatrics 974 00:50:32,497 --> 00:50:36,667 and all without mistaking anything for it may not be. 975 00:50:38,336 --> 00:50:41,339 Then he a little Charlie Chaplin man 976 00:50:43,141 --> 00:50:46,244 spread eagle in the empty air 977 00:50:46,244 --> 00:50:47,345 of existence. 978 00:50:49,914 --> 00:50:52,283 - I think that one of the things that's not understood 979 00:50:52,283 --> 00:50:53,818 about Lawrence, 980 00:50:53,818 --> 00:50:58,323 is Lawrence is probably the most popular, modern poet 981 00:50:58,323 --> 00:50:59,924 in the entire world. 982 00:50:59,924 --> 00:51:03,494 The popular poets of today would be Pablo Neruda, 983 00:51:03,494 --> 00:51:06,231 Allen Ginsberg, Lawrence Ferlinghetti. 984 00:51:06,231 --> 00:51:08,433 And I strongly suspect that Lawrence, 985 00:51:08,433 --> 00:51:09,534 in terms of book sells, 986 00:51:09,534 --> 00:51:11,136 is the most popular. 987 00:51:11,136 --> 00:51:13,571 And one of the most powerul things that he's done, 988 00:51:13,571 --> 00:51:15,940 not for politics, but for poetry itself, 989 00:51:15,940 --> 00:51:19,410 is that he turned on two generations of young people 990 00:51:19,410 --> 00:51:20,911 to poetry 991 00:51:20,911 --> 00:51:23,614 and they went on from his work to reading others. 992 00:51:23,614 --> 00:51:27,084 - He superseded E. E. Cummings as a poet who 993 00:51:27,084 --> 00:51:31,422 probably inspired more young people of the generation 994 00:51:31,422 --> 00:51:32,323 after 1955. 995 00:51:34,392 --> 00:51:36,694 He's done more than okay in that sense. 996 00:51:36,694 --> 00:51:39,230 I mean, he's the only poet, I think, 997 00:51:39,230 --> 00:51:41,266 in the United States with a book, 998 00:51:41,266 --> 00:51:43,401 A Coney Island of the Mind, I think 999 00:51:43,401 --> 00:51:45,836 there are a million copies in print. 1000 00:51:45,836 --> 00:51:48,173 That's almost inconceivable. 1001 00:51:49,674 --> 00:51:51,209 - The title of my book, A Coney Island of the Mind, 1002 00:51:51,209 --> 00:51:54,612 is taken from Henry Miller's book, Into the Night Life. 1003 00:51:54,612 --> 00:51:56,214 And it's used out of context, 1004 00:51:56,214 --> 00:51:59,217 but expresses the way I felt about these poems 1005 00:51:59,217 --> 00:52:00,718 when I wrote them. 1006 00:52:00,718 --> 00:52:02,887 As if they taken all together, were a kind of 1007 00:52:02,887 --> 00:52:06,991 Coney Island of the mind, a circus of the soul. 1008 00:52:06,991 --> 00:52:10,127 Coney Island was first published in 1958. 1009 00:52:10,127 --> 00:52:13,798 The first edition was on cheap newsprint, not many copies. 1010 00:52:13,798 --> 00:52:15,800 Now it's in the hundreds printing. 1011 00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,034 In the process, 1012 00:52:17,034 --> 00:52:19,069 it was busted in various parts of the country, 1013 00:52:19,069 --> 00:52:22,173 once by the American Legion in Woodstock, New York, 1014 00:52:22,173 --> 00:52:25,009 and my publisher, James Laughlin, had to come up there 1015 00:52:25,009 --> 00:52:27,645 and assure the American Legion that I, indeed, 1016 00:52:27,645 --> 00:52:31,216 was not a member of the Communist party. 1017 00:52:31,216 --> 00:52:34,151 The poem that probably upset the American Legion and 1018 00:52:34,151 --> 00:52:37,154 the Catholic Church the most was a poem on the crucifixion 1019 00:52:37,154 --> 00:52:41,091 which as based on a rap by Lord Buckley called The Nazz. 1020 00:52:41,091 --> 00:52:45,563 This was a poem in what was called hip lingo in those days. 1021 00:52:45,563 --> 00:52:47,998 Sometime during eternity 1022 00:52:47,998 --> 00:52:51,869 some guys show up and one of them who shows up real late 1023 00:52:51,869 --> 00:52:53,971 is a kind of carpenter 1024 00:52:53,971 --> 00:52:57,375 from a square-type place called Galilee 1025 00:52:57,375 --> 00:53:00,511 and he starts wailing and claiming that he is hip 1026 00:53:00,511 --> 00:53:02,046 to who made heaven and earth 1027 00:53:02,046 --> 00:53:06,784 and that the cat who really laid on us is his Dad. 1028 00:53:06,784 --> 00:53:11,322 You're hot, they tell him and they stretch him on a tree 1029 00:53:11,322 --> 00:53:12,357 to cool 1030 00:53:12,357 --> 00:53:13,991 And everybody after that 1031 00:53:13,991 --> 00:53:17,262 is always making models of this tree 1032 00:53:17,262 --> 00:53:19,096 with him hung up 1033 00:53:19,096 --> 00:53:20,865 and always crooning his name 1034 00:53:20,865 --> 00:53:25,102 and calling him to come down and sit in on their combo 1035 00:53:25,102 --> 00:53:28,639 as if he is the king cat who's got to blow 1036 00:53:28,639 --> 00:53:31,008 or they can't quite make it. 1037 00:53:31,008 --> 00:53:34,579 Only he don't come down from his tree. 1038 00:53:34,579 --> 00:53:38,249 Him just hang there looking real petered out 1039 00:53:39,317 --> 00:53:40,485 and real cool. 1040 00:53:45,222 --> 00:53:46,691 - Lawrence Ferlinghetti is a painter 1041 00:53:46,691 --> 00:53:48,826 as well as a poet and publisher. 1042 00:53:48,826 --> 00:53:52,029 And he holds a doctorate from the Sorbonne. 1043 00:53:52,029 --> 00:53:54,265 His book, A Coney Island off the Mind, 1044 00:53:54,265 --> 00:53:58,969 was first published 1958 and is now in it's 14th printing 1045 00:53:58,969 --> 00:54:00,505 by New Directions. 1046 00:54:00,505 --> 00:54:03,674 It is one of the most widely read books of poetry today. 1047 00:54:03,674 --> 00:54:07,745 One of the poems concerns this very dog, 1048 00:54:07,745 --> 00:54:09,914 whose name is Homer. 1049 00:54:13,851 --> 00:54:17,322 - The dog trots freely in the street 1050 00:54:17,322 --> 00:54:19,123 and sees reality 1051 00:54:19,123 --> 00:54:20,758 and the things he sees 1052 00:54:20,758 --> 00:54:22,527 are bigger than himself 1053 00:54:22,527 --> 00:54:24,028 and the things he sees 1054 00:54:24,028 --> 00:54:25,663 are his reality 1055 00:54:25,663 --> 00:54:27,131 Drunks in doorways 1056 00:54:27,131 --> 00:54:28,299 Fish on newsprint 1057 00:54:28,299 --> 00:54:29,434 Ants in holes 1058 00:54:29,434 --> 00:54:31,336 Chicken in Chinatown windows 1059 00:54:31,336 --> 00:54:33,471 their heads a block away 1060 00:54:33,471 --> 00:54:35,506 The dog trots freely in the street 1061 00:54:35,506 --> 00:54:37,508 and the things he smells 1062 00:54:37,508 --> 00:54:39,477 smell something like himself 1063 00:54:39,477 --> 00:54:41,346 The dog trots freely in the street 1064 00:54:41,346 --> 00:54:42,613 past puddles and babies 1065 00:54:42,613 --> 00:54:43,681 cats and cigars 1066 00:54:43,681 --> 00:54:45,616 poolrooms and policemen 1067 00:54:45,616 --> 00:54:46,951 He doesn't hate cops 1068 00:54:46,951 --> 00:54:48,319 He merely has no use for them 1069 00:54:48,319 --> 00:54:50,555 and he goes past them 1070 00:54:50,555 --> 00:54:52,723 and past the dead cows hung up whole 1071 00:54:52,723 --> 00:54:55,393 in front of the San Francisco Meat Market 1072 00:54:55,393 --> 00:54:56,894 He would rather eat a tender cow 1073 00:54:56,894 --> 00:54:58,596 than a tough policeman 1074 00:54:58,596 --> 00:55:00,264 though either might do 1075 00:55:00,264 --> 00:55:02,800 And he goes past the Romeo Ravioli Factory 1076 00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,301 and past Coit's Tower 1077 00:55:04,301 --> 00:55:07,438 and past Congressman Doyle of the Unamerican Commmittee 1078 00:55:07,438 --> 00:55:09,407 He's afraid of Coit's Tower 1079 00:55:09,407 --> 00:55:11,241 but he's not afraid of Congressman Doyle 1080 00:55:11,241 --> 00:55:13,344 although what he hears is very discouraging 1081 00:55:13,344 --> 00:55:14,345 very depressing 1082 00:55:14,345 --> 00:55:15,580 very absurd 1083 00:55:15,580 --> 00:55:17,782 to a sad young dog like himself 1084 00:55:17,782 --> 00:55:21,018 to a serious dog like himself 1085 00:55:21,018 --> 00:55:24,522 But he has his own free world to live in 1086 00:55:24,522 --> 00:55:26,190 His own fleas to eat 1087 00:55:27,324 --> 00:55:28,993 He will not be muzzled 1088 00:55:28,993 --> 00:55:30,928 Congressman Doyle is just another 1089 00:55:30,928 --> 00:55:33,097 fire hydrant to him 1090 00:55:33,097 --> 00:55:36,033 The dog trots freely in the street. 1091 00:55:38,035 --> 00:55:39,169 that's a good dog. 1092 00:55:47,612 --> 00:55:51,449 - I went to a happening with Lawrence in Paris. 1093 00:55:51,449 --> 00:55:53,951 It was arranged by Jean-Jacques Lebel 1094 00:55:53,951 --> 00:55:56,286 who was a well-known French beatik. 1095 00:55:56,286 --> 00:56:00,658 The happening included mice being thrown at the audience. 1096 00:56:00,658 --> 00:56:03,027 Crabs being thrown at the audience. 1097 00:56:03,027 --> 00:56:05,663 The door was locked so people couldn't get out. 1098 00:56:05,663 --> 00:56:07,097 A band was playing. 1099 00:56:07,097 --> 00:56:10,735 A couple people were beating on a VW, destroying it 1100 00:56:10,735 --> 00:56:12,403 with huge mallets. 1101 00:56:12,403 --> 00:56:16,340 And someone came out and chopped off the heads 1102 00:56:16,340 --> 00:56:18,042 of some chickens 1103 00:56:18,042 --> 00:56:19,577 and it looked as if they were dancing 1104 00:56:19,577 --> 00:56:23,748 to rock and toll music and Lawrence was calmly reading 1105 00:56:24,649 --> 00:56:25,650 a long poem. 1106 00:56:28,986 --> 00:56:30,154 - Talk a little bit about what happened 1107 00:56:30,154 --> 00:56:31,388 to the beat movement. 1108 00:56:31,388 --> 00:56:32,757 It sort of gave way eventually to 1109 00:56:32,757 --> 00:56:33,958 the free speech movement, 1110 00:56:33,958 --> 00:56:35,560 which you were very much a part of, Lawrence, 1111 00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:38,463 and then to hippies and then to the New Left. 1112 00:56:38,463 --> 00:56:41,231 But, how did it sort of end. 1113 00:56:41,231 --> 00:56:44,234 - Well you can say all the main shivements of the 1960s 1114 00:56:44,234 --> 00:56:47,171 counterculture were first enunciated by the beats. 1115 00:56:47,171 --> 00:56:50,575 The early, the first ecological consciousness 1116 00:56:50,575 --> 00:56:55,345 in writers such as Gary Snyder and political points of view 1117 00:56:55,345 --> 00:56:58,148 all became mainstays of the 60s counter culture. 1118 00:56:58,148 --> 00:56:59,950 - You think this is a liberated society we live in today? 1119 00:56:59,950 --> 00:57:02,687 - You have like my kids, they grew up, 1120 00:57:02,687 --> 00:57:04,589 they were already liberated by the time they 1121 00:57:04,589 --> 00:57:05,590 have reached 1122 00:57:07,692 --> 00:57:09,193 20 years old. 1123 00:57:09,193 --> 00:57:12,830 Whereas in my generation, it took us 20, 30 more years 1124 00:57:12,830 --> 00:57:14,298 to get to that point. 1125 00:57:14,298 --> 00:57:18,335 - The younger generation, say 15, 24, high school kids, 1126 00:57:18,335 --> 00:57:21,539 realize that when they get to be my age, 1127 00:57:21,539 --> 00:57:22,707 it'll be 2050. 1128 00:57:24,241 --> 00:57:26,811 What kind of world are they going to have to live with? 1129 00:57:26,811 --> 00:57:29,880 Already the official stereotype is quote 1130 00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,116 "diminished expectations" 1131 00:57:32,116 --> 00:57:34,318 which is a euphemism for saying that the world is going 1132 00:57:34,318 --> 00:57:38,022 to be a horrible mess, that the ozone layer holes 1133 00:57:38,022 --> 00:57:40,658 and the brimstone in the atmosphere 1134 00:57:40,658 --> 00:57:42,660 is going to make life unbearable, 1135 00:57:42,660 --> 00:57:44,361 that we're running out of water, 1136 00:57:44,361 --> 00:57:47,865 we're running out of arable land, which is diminishing. 1137 00:57:47,865 --> 00:57:49,767 Species are being killed. 1138 00:57:49,767 --> 00:57:53,003 There's desertification and deforestation everywhere. 1139 00:57:53,003 --> 00:57:56,373 And that hyper technology has led us to an abyss 1140 00:57:56,373 --> 00:57:57,908 which may be like an Armageddon. 1141 00:57:57,908 --> 00:58:00,144 And everybody knows it from old grandmothers 1142 00:58:00,144 --> 00:58:01,646 to young kids. 1143 00:58:01,646 --> 00:58:03,648 - The 60s stuff came out of the beats more directly 1144 00:58:03,648 --> 00:58:05,415 than that of any other influence. 1145 00:58:05,415 --> 00:58:06,817 City Lights Books and Ferlinghetti 1146 00:58:06,817 --> 00:58:09,186 really were a very important way station 1147 00:58:09,186 --> 00:58:11,055 between the beats and the hippies 1148 00:58:11,055 --> 00:58:13,323 and the politics of the 60's, 1149 00:58:13,323 --> 00:58:14,859 I mean in a very critical way. 1150 00:58:19,196 --> 00:58:23,433 - In 1967, the counter culture, which was very powerful, 1151 00:58:23,433 --> 00:58:25,670 in San Francisco and in California, 1152 00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:28,405 and growingly more powerful about the country, 1153 00:58:28,405 --> 00:58:32,409 decided to celebrate itself by having a Human Be-In, 1154 00:58:32,409 --> 00:58:35,746 in the which the super normal tribes would come together 1155 00:58:35,746 --> 00:58:39,149 and listen to music, perform arts 1156 00:58:39,149 --> 00:58:43,554 and communicate their lifestyle with one another. 1157 00:58:43,554 --> 00:58:45,122 There was a big stage. 1158 00:58:45,122 --> 00:58:48,058 Hot bands of the times played, The Grateful Dead, 1159 00:58:48,058 --> 00:58:50,460 Quicksilver Messenger Service. 1160 00:58:50,460 --> 00:58:54,231 On the stage was Lawrence Ferlinghetti 1161 00:58:54,231 --> 00:58:59,003 and Timothy Leary, Gary Snyder and Allen Ginsberg 1162 00:58:59,003 --> 00:59:00,237 and myself. 1163 00:59:00,237 --> 00:59:02,973 I read a poem and then I sang another poem 1164 00:59:02,973 --> 00:59:06,510 using the autoharp that Bob Dylan had given me earlier. 1165 00:59:06,510 --> 00:59:09,146 And, the people celebrated themselves. 1166 00:59:09,146 --> 00:59:11,982 - At the Human Be-In, in Golden Gate Park, 1167 00:59:11,982 --> 00:59:15,586 I was up on stage next to Allen Ginsberg and Timothy Leary 1168 00:59:15,586 --> 00:59:19,757 and we're facing out to about 10,000 turned-on people 1169 00:59:20,858 --> 00:59:23,794 and a parachutist descending from the sky 1170 00:59:23,794 --> 00:59:26,363 and Allen turns to me and says, 1171 00:59:27,297 --> 00:59:29,466 "What if we're all wrong?" 1172 00:59:37,708 --> 00:59:40,110 Revolution of consciousness happened in the 60s 1173 00:59:40,110 --> 00:59:42,279 with expansion of consciousness 1174 00:59:42,279 --> 00:59:44,615 but the political revolution never happened. 1175 00:59:44,615 --> 00:59:46,316 It was aborted, 1176 00:59:46,316 --> 00:59:49,019 like after Kent State, that was the end of it. 1177 00:59:49,019 --> 00:59:51,188 The state clamped down 1178 00:59:51,188 --> 00:59:52,857 and Marcuse said it all back then. 1179 00:59:52,857 --> 00:59:55,059 He talked about the enormous capacity 1180 00:59:55,059 --> 00:59:57,594 of the dominant culture to ingest 1181 00:59:57,594 --> 00:59:59,930 its most dissident elements. 1182 01:00:01,298 --> 01:00:05,469 The left really has no organs of communication now. 1183 01:00:05,469 --> 01:00:08,639 In the 20s and 30s, and even in the 40s, 1184 01:00:08,639 --> 01:00:12,442 the left was powered by the labor movement. 1185 01:00:12,442 --> 01:00:14,812 And the workforce of the United States was maybe 1186 01:00:14,812 --> 01:00:17,047 60 or 70 percent unionized. 1187 01:00:18,615 --> 01:00:21,719 The labor movement became ingested by 1188 01:00:21,719 --> 01:00:23,754 the dominant culture 1189 01:00:23,754 --> 01:00:28,158 so that the labor movement as a motor to the left 1190 01:00:28,158 --> 01:00:29,994 doesn't exist anymore. 1191 01:00:34,364 --> 01:00:36,934 I did a painting recently called 1192 01:00:36,934 --> 01:00:40,437 "Arles n'existe plus," my Van Gogh series. 1193 01:00:41,638 --> 01:00:45,409 In other words, "Arles doesn't exist anymore." 1194 01:00:45,409 --> 01:00:48,178 Where's Gauguin or Van Gogh? 1195 01:00:48,178 --> 01:00:50,781 Where are they gonna go today? 1196 01:00:50,781 --> 01:00:54,952 If Gauguin goes to Tahiti, he'll have to stay in the Hilton. 1197 01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:58,488 Those grass shacks aren't there anymore. 1198 01:00:58,488 --> 01:01:00,124 We used to think, oh, there's always an island 1199 01:01:00,124 --> 01:01:01,225 still further out, 1200 01:01:01,225 --> 01:01:03,894 where we can still get away. 1201 01:01:03,894 --> 01:01:08,065 But, the island further out has a Club Med on it now 1202 01:01:08,065 --> 01:01:08,899 at Moreo. 1203 01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,637 So that's what this painting was all about. 1204 01:01:13,637 --> 01:01:15,039 There isn't any away anymore 1205 01:01:15,039 --> 01:01:17,141 and the dominant mode of force behind this 1206 01:01:17,141 --> 01:01:19,543 is the American mono-culture. 1207 01:01:22,046 --> 01:01:24,514 We've talked about ecology and ecological crisis, 1208 01:01:24,514 --> 01:01:26,683 but the problem of problems 1209 01:01:26,683 --> 01:01:28,352 is the overpopulation. 1210 01:01:28,352 --> 01:01:29,920 And that's the... 1211 01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:31,488 You can't solve any of the other problems 1212 01:01:31,488 --> 01:01:33,891 until overpopulation is controlled. 1213 01:01:33,891 --> 01:01:37,527 I get solicitations from places like Greenpeace 1214 01:01:37,527 --> 01:01:40,030 or any ecological organization 1215 01:01:40,030 --> 01:01:42,332 and what I write back now, 1216 01:01:42,332 --> 01:01:45,035 I write on the face of the application: 1217 01:01:45,035 --> 01:01:48,739 You should redirect your efforts to over population control. 1218 01:01:48,739 --> 01:01:51,141 Cause that's below everything else, 1219 01:01:51,141 --> 01:01:53,077 nothing else is solvable without solving that. 1220 01:01:53,077 --> 01:01:54,644 Why are the rain forest being cut down? 1221 01:01:54,644 --> 01:01:56,246 Population, et cetera. 1222 01:01:56,246 --> 01:01:58,648 - What'll be the role off the American right wing in that? 1223 01:01:58,648 --> 01:02:01,651 They'll be trying to keep the United States 1224 01:02:01,651 --> 01:02:02,920 from participating in it, 1225 01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:05,689 some kind of population education and reduction. 1226 01:02:05,689 --> 01:02:09,259 - Right on abortion and on birth control and... 1227 01:02:09,259 --> 01:02:10,995 I mean, I think the Pope is in the middle ages. 1228 01:02:10,995 --> 01:02:13,263 I was just in Rome and I was interviewed on this, 1229 01:02:13,263 --> 01:02:14,198 about this, 1230 01:02:15,365 --> 01:02:16,901 I mean the Pope is 1231 01:02:16,901 --> 01:02:17,902 being really 1232 01:02:20,470 --> 01:02:22,072 ignorant and sinful. 1233 01:02:22,072 --> 01:02:25,810 This is a sinful position he has on population control 1234 01:02:25,810 --> 01:02:29,579 And so, I've got the Breeding Blues. 1235 01:02:35,585 --> 01:02:37,087 Sew, sew your seed 1236 01:02:38,889 --> 01:02:40,757 plant your seed 1237 01:02:40,757 --> 01:02:43,060 and who's to stop it? 1238 01:02:43,060 --> 01:02:45,495 Who's to say don't do it? 1239 01:02:45,495 --> 01:02:48,598 Who has the right to say that it's a sin 1240 01:02:48,598 --> 01:02:51,368 that love is our blight in the night? 1241 01:02:51,368 --> 01:02:53,437 It's a natural thing 1242 01:02:53,437 --> 01:02:55,739 the most natural thing 1243 01:02:55,739 --> 01:02:57,975 the most heavenly thing 1244 01:02:57,975 --> 01:03:00,544 the most blessed thing 1245 01:03:00,544 --> 01:03:02,012 so do it and sing. 1246 01:03:09,719 --> 01:03:12,689 - One of the most important things, I think, 1247 01:03:12,689 --> 01:03:14,491 is the way he distinguishes between 1248 01:03:14,491 --> 01:03:16,160 political and lyrical poetry. 1249 01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:18,662 Very important in understanding his work. 1250 01:03:18,662 --> 01:03:21,698 And this came up when we were in Bigsby Canyon 1251 01:03:21,698 --> 01:03:23,167 and suddenly he jumped up and said, 1252 01:03:23,167 --> 01:03:26,136 "I'm going to tell you why I hate writing political poetry." 1253 01:03:26,136 --> 01:03:28,538 I said, wow, one of the most famous political poets 1254 01:03:28,538 --> 01:03:29,606 in the world is going to tell us 1255 01:03:29,606 --> 01:03:31,075 why he hates writing poetry. 1256 01:03:31,075 --> 01:03:32,709 This is a scoop. 1257 01:03:32,709 --> 01:03:35,245 He told us in no uncertain terms. 1258 01:03:35,245 --> 01:03:37,781 He's a lyric poet, which is different. 1259 01:03:37,781 --> 01:03:40,217 Political poetry he says 1260 01:03:40,217 --> 01:03:42,752 really concentrates on things that are passing. 1261 01:03:42,752 --> 01:03:44,188 They come, they go. 1262 01:03:44,188 --> 01:03:46,523 And next year it's another political situation. 1263 01:03:46,523 --> 01:03:49,626 But he and many lyric poets try to find 1264 01:03:49,626 --> 01:03:53,197 the timeliness and timelessness in subjects 1265 01:03:53,197 --> 01:03:55,866 that have a longer lasting quality. 1266 01:03:55,866 --> 01:03:57,401 And these are the subjects of his poetry, 1267 01:03:57,401 --> 01:04:01,071 but the fascinating thing, you find in most of his poetry, 1268 01:04:01,071 --> 01:04:04,008 that there's crucial political ideas embedded in them. 1269 01:04:04,008 --> 01:04:06,410 Sometimes they seem to want not to be heard 1270 01:04:06,410 --> 01:04:08,378 and sometimes they're right on the surface, 1271 01:04:08,378 --> 01:04:09,980 yelling out at you to understand it. 1272 01:04:09,980 --> 01:04:12,516 They're an expressive element that represent 1273 01:04:12,516 --> 01:04:16,386 some of the most crucial political ideas that he has. 1274 01:04:16,386 --> 01:04:18,989 And that's what you find in many poems 1275 01:04:18,989 --> 01:04:21,091 by Lawrence Ferlinghetti. 1276 01:04:27,197 --> 01:04:28,698 - Now we bring you this, 1277 01:04:28,698 --> 01:04:31,168 courtesy of Wheaties and the American Boy Magazine, 1278 01:04:31,168 --> 01:04:33,603 Dissidents, Big Sur. 1279 01:04:33,603 --> 01:04:34,838 January bright sun 1280 01:04:34,838 --> 01:04:38,075 tiny hummingbirds in the willows 1281 01:04:38,075 --> 01:04:40,344 suddenly flittering up 1282 01:04:40,344 --> 01:04:43,613 as an ordinary American monster 4-door sedan 1283 01:04:43,613 --> 01:04:45,215 barrels up the canyon road 1284 01:04:45,215 --> 01:04:49,253 back-firing and farting carbon monoxide 1285 01:04:49,253 --> 01:04:52,422 and the hummingbirds take flight in a flurry of fear 1286 01:04:52,422 --> 01:04:55,292 a cloud of them all at once humming away 1287 01:04:55,292 --> 01:04:56,826 into deep blue air 1288 01:04:56,826 --> 01:05:00,030 where the skies sucks up their winged hum 1289 01:05:00,030 --> 01:05:02,799 and in the infinite distance, eats them 1290 01:05:02,799 --> 01:05:06,370 as a crowd of huge, defiant, upstart crows 1291 01:05:06,370 --> 01:05:09,873 sets up a ravening raucous, Caw! Caw! Caw! 1292 01:05:11,341 --> 01:05:13,243 And screams and circles overhead 1293 01:05:13,243 --> 01:05:15,980 and pickets the polluted air 1294 01:05:15,980 --> 01:05:19,683 as the metalled monster power-drives on up the canyon 1295 01:05:19,683 --> 01:05:21,351 and over the horizon 1296 01:05:21,351 --> 01:05:24,688 and the crows now too, wing away on wind 1297 01:05:25,722 --> 01:05:28,492 and are sucked up and disappear 1298 01:05:28,492 --> 01:05:31,061 into the omnivorous universe, 1299 01:05:31,061 --> 01:05:33,363 even as any civilization 1300 01:05:33,363 --> 01:05:37,367 ingests its own most dissident elements. 1301 01:05:43,407 --> 01:05:46,610 It's right on the tip of the peninsula. 1302 01:05:46,610 --> 01:05:49,546 That's where Lorenzo grew up mostly 1303 01:05:49,546 --> 01:05:50,714 and Julie too. 1304 01:05:53,417 --> 01:05:55,952 Smile you're on camera. 1305 01:05:55,952 --> 01:05:58,922 Happy 45th Lorenzo birthday. 1306 01:05:58,922 --> 01:06:00,224 - Okay, I gotta make a wish. 1307 01:06:00,224 --> 01:06:02,959 It's gotta be a secret, though. 1308 01:06:02,959 --> 01:06:04,928 I can tell you one of them. 1309 01:06:04,928 --> 01:06:07,631 To live a long and healthy life with my family. 1310 01:06:07,631 --> 01:06:09,366 Okay, 45 years young. 1311 01:06:18,275 --> 01:06:19,809 - Where was this one? 1312 01:06:19,809 --> 01:06:22,112 - That was out at the coast of Australia. 1313 01:06:22,112 --> 01:06:23,113 - Oh, yeah. 1314 01:06:23,113 --> 01:06:24,881 - Here's another. 1315 01:06:24,881 --> 01:06:26,283 - I didn't know you had these. 1316 01:06:26,283 --> 01:06:28,418 - Kept them. Mom kept them. Yeah. 1317 01:06:28,418 --> 01:06:29,919 Here's one in Big Sur. 1318 01:06:29,919 --> 01:06:31,555 This is a classic one. 1319 01:06:31,555 --> 01:06:34,424 I was watching Dad first thing in the morning, 1320 01:06:34,424 --> 01:06:37,094 as soon as the sun made it over the top of the bluff, 1321 01:06:37,094 --> 01:06:39,929 he would stand there chanting the sun mantra. 1322 01:06:39,929 --> 01:06:41,098 Sun, sun, sun. 1323 01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,570 And that's where he thought of the symbol. 1324 01:06:46,570 --> 01:06:49,206 The early days on Potrero Hill 1325 01:06:49,206 --> 01:06:53,009 probably 1963, sitting on the front steps 1326 01:06:53,009 --> 01:06:57,181 of 706 Wisconsin Street with Dad and Julie, my sister. 1327 01:06:58,548 --> 01:07:01,251 Called the ghost house of Potrero Hill when Dad bought it 1328 01:07:01,251 --> 01:07:05,489 and it was completely dilapidated, no foundation, 1329 01:07:05,489 --> 01:07:08,792 holes in the roof, front steps were falling down. 1330 01:07:08,792 --> 01:07:11,095 Had some great memories in that house. 1331 01:07:11,095 --> 01:07:13,497 My room was the upstairs. 1332 01:07:13,497 --> 01:07:16,166 I had the best view of the city. 1333 01:07:16,166 --> 01:07:18,468 And you could see, as a child, I remember watching 1334 01:07:18,468 --> 01:07:21,405 a whole skyline of San Francisco go up. 1335 01:07:24,074 --> 01:07:26,476 - I wanted to mention a little about this Price Row 1336 01:07:26,476 --> 01:07:29,313 that is losing it's name for mine. 1337 01:07:30,980 --> 01:07:35,719 I find out by talking to the boys at Trigoni Hardware 1338 01:07:35,719 --> 01:07:38,322 who grew up here, during prohibition, Price Row 1339 01:07:38,322 --> 01:07:41,191 was where the bootleggers trucks backed up. 1340 01:07:45,295 --> 01:07:49,065 And also, it was the back door of an undertaker's. 1341 01:07:50,634 --> 01:07:54,604 So, we had bootleggers trucks and hearses. 1342 01:07:54,604 --> 01:07:57,006 It's a fitting place for poets to hang out. 1343 01:08:00,644 --> 01:08:04,114 I was 30 before I saw San Francisco for the first time. 1344 01:08:04,114 --> 01:08:07,751 And I've spent most of the last 40 years 1345 01:08:07,751 --> 01:08:09,486 walking up and down the streets, 1346 01:08:09,486 --> 01:08:12,222 of little old wooden North Beach. 1347 01:08:13,823 --> 01:08:15,859 I know the streets and alleys around here 1348 01:08:15,859 --> 01:08:19,396 like the palm of my hand, to coin a cliche. 1349 01:08:19,396 --> 01:08:22,866 And it's truly unbelievable to have a tiny line 1350 01:08:22,866 --> 01:08:25,202 in that palm named after me. 1351 01:08:35,412 --> 01:08:36,980 Grazi! 1352 01:08:53,263 --> 01:08:55,098 - Allen Ginsberg Dying 1353 01:09:04,841 --> 01:09:06,743 Allen Ginsberg is dying 1354 01:09:08,144 --> 01:09:10,046 It's in all the papers. 1355 01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:13,750 It's on the evening news. 1356 01:09:13,750 --> 01:09:15,585 A great poet is dying, 1357 01:09:16,886 --> 01:09:18,888 but his voice won't die. 1358 01:09:33,102 --> 01:09:35,205 His voice is on the land. 1359 01:09:38,475 --> 01:09:40,744 In lower Manhattan 1360 01:09:40,744 --> 01:09:41,911 in his own bed 1361 01:09:44,314 --> 01:09:45,315 he is dying. 1362 01:09:47,584 --> 01:09:48,585 He is dying. 1363 01:09:49,653 --> 01:09:51,321 There is nothing to do about it. 1364 01:09:51,321 --> 01:09:54,891 He is dying the death that everyone dies. 1365 01:09:54,891 --> 01:09:57,727 He is dying the death of the poet. 1366 01:10:05,935 --> 01:10:09,205 A recent New Directions book of mine is called 1367 01:10:09,205 --> 01:10:11,708 Poetry as Insurgent Art. 1368 01:10:11,708 --> 01:10:14,778 And it more or less sums up what I've always considered 1369 01:10:14,778 --> 01:10:16,280 the role of the poet. 1370 01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:19,383 Poetry should be dissident and subversive 1371 01:10:19,383 --> 01:10:21,618 and an agent for change. 1372 01:10:21,618 --> 01:10:25,489 It begins, I am signaling you through the flames. 1373 01:10:25,489 --> 01:10:27,491 The north pole is not where it used to be. 1374 01:10:27,491 --> 01:10:30,727 Manifest destiny is no longer manifest. 1375 01:10:30,727 --> 01:10:33,397 What are poets for in such an age? 1376 01:10:33,397 --> 01:10:35,732 What is the use of poetry? 1377 01:10:35,732 --> 01:10:38,101 Create works capable of answering the challenge 1378 01:10:38,101 --> 01:10:39,969 of Apocalyptic times 1379 01:10:39,969 --> 01:10:44,073 even if this means sounding Apocalyptic. 1380 01:10:44,073 --> 01:10:46,810 And the great spaces that open out upon the sea 1381 01:10:46,810 --> 01:10:49,546 high tide and the herons call 1382 01:10:49,546 --> 01:10:52,048 and the people, the people, yes 1383 01:10:52,048 --> 01:10:55,419 all around the Earth, speaking babel tongues. 1384 01:10:55,419 --> 01:10:59,956 You must decide if bird cries are cries of ecstasy 1385 01:10:59,956 --> 01:11:02,225 or cries of despair. 1386 01:11:02,225 --> 01:11:04,428 Question everything and everyone, 1387 01:11:04,428 --> 01:11:07,030 including Socrates who questioned everything. 1388 01:11:07,030 --> 01:11:08,965 Strive to change the world in such a way 1389 01:11:08,965 --> 01:11:12,869 that there's no further need to be a dissident. 1390 01:11:12,869 --> 01:11:16,172 The idea of poetry as an arm of class war 1391 01:11:16,172 --> 01:11:20,344 disturbs the sleep of those who do not wish to be disturbed 1392 01:11:20,344 --> 01:11:22,779 in their pursuit of happiness. 1393 01:11:22,779 --> 01:11:26,983 The natural born, non-violent enemy of the state. 1394 01:11:26,983 --> 01:11:29,185 It is the ultimate resistance. 1395 01:11:29,185 --> 01:11:32,856 It is the voice within the voice of eternal. 1396 01:11:34,057 --> 01:11:37,727 It is the face behind the face of the race. 1397 01:11:37,727 --> 01:11:41,598 It is the voice of the fourth person singular. 1398 01:11:41,598 --> 01:11:45,402 Poetry, the last lighthouse in rising seas. 1399 01:11:53,076 --> 01:11:55,679 - He once said all I want to do is write light 1400 01:11:55,679 --> 01:11:57,414 on the walls of life. 1401 01:11:58,982 --> 01:12:01,985 I think this applies to all the media he works in. 1402 01:12:01,985 --> 01:12:04,688 He's such a great observer. 1403 01:12:04,688 --> 01:12:05,489 Of people, 1404 01:12:06,823 --> 01:12:07,657 of events. 1405 01:12:09,526 --> 01:12:11,628 Probably what he would call little episodes 1406 01:12:11,628 --> 01:12:14,464 in the tragic comedy of existence. 1407 01:12:15,799 --> 01:12:18,968 I guess I would call him a romantic idealist 1408 01:12:18,968 --> 01:12:22,238 who accepts living in an imperfect world 1409 01:12:22,238 --> 01:12:24,908 with humor and good grace. 1410 01:12:24,908 --> 01:12:26,075 - All these years, 1411 01:12:26,075 --> 01:12:27,977 while I've been pursuing the art of writing 1412 01:12:27,977 --> 01:12:30,213 and the art of painting, 1413 01:12:30,213 --> 01:12:34,317 I've had this day job at City Lights Bookstore. 1414 01:12:34,317 --> 01:12:37,587 And so, here we are, well into the 21st Century. 1415 01:12:37,587 --> 01:12:41,458 In the upper windows of City Lights right now 1416 01:12:41,458 --> 01:12:44,428 is my personal blog in handwritten signs 1417 01:12:44,428 --> 01:12:45,929 such as turn left, 1418 01:12:47,263 --> 01:12:50,066 indict and jail Bush and Cheney 1419 01:12:50,066 --> 01:12:52,402 for crimes against humanity, 1420 01:12:52,402 --> 01:12:56,272 total gun control now, abolish the death penalty, 1421 01:12:56,272 --> 01:13:00,810 universal single-payer health plan for everyone, 1422 01:13:00,810 --> 01:13:04,113 rewrite the law on corporations, 1423 01:13:04,113 --> 01:13:07,784 the Middle East, Obama's Vietnam, et cetera. 1424 01:13:09,453 --> 01:13:11,688 But what is really needed these days, 1425 01:13:11,688 --> 01:13:14,891 is a national debate on socialism and whether 1426 01:13:14,891 --> 01:13:16,560 America should adopt 1427 01:13:17,694 --> 01:13:20,964 some form of civil libertarian socialism 1428 01:13:20,964 --> 01:13:22,466 instead of capitalism. 1429 01:13:22,466 --> 01:13:24,968 This is a historic moment to do it. 1430 01:13:24,968 --> 01:13:28,805 However, the press has made socialism a dirty word 1431 01:13:28,805 --> 01:13:31,608 and not a single politician will utter it, 1432 01:13:31,608 --> 01:13:33,176 much less Obama. 1433 01:13:33,176 --> 01:13:35,244 And that's where we are today. 1434 01:13:35,244 --> 01:13:38,081 Still waiting for Obama's nirvana. 1435 01:13:42,619 --> 01:13:45,822 Yes, the world is the best place of all 1436 01:13:45,822 --> 01:13:50,093 for a lot of such things as making the fun scene 1437 01:13:50,093 --> 01:13:52,161 and making the love scene 1438 01:13:52,161 --> 01:13:54,864 and making the sad scene and singing love songs 1439 01:13:54,864 --> 01:13:56,766 and having inspirations 1440 01:13:56,766 --> 01:13:58,502 and walking around looking at everything 1441 01:13:58,502 --> 01:14:01,404 and smelling flowers and goosing statues 1442 01:14:01,404 --> 01:14:02,906 and even thinking, 1443 01:14:04,107 --> 01:14:05,609 and kissing people and making babies 1444 01:14:05,609 --> 01:14:09,345 and wearing pants and waving hats and dancing 1445 01:14:09,345 --> 01:14:11,247 and going swimming in rivers on picnics 1446 01:14:11,247 --> 01:14:12,849 in the middle of the summer 1447 01:14:12,849 --> 01:14:15,519 and just generally living it up. 1448 01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:20,557 Yes, but then, right in the middle of it, 1449 01:14:20,557 --> 01:14:22,959 comes a smiling mortician. 1450 01:14:57,627 --> 01:15:00,664 - C'est mon grand plaisir de célébrer 1451 01:15:02,832 --> 01:15:04,467 ma liaison 1452 01:15:04,467 --> 01:15:05,635 avec le France 1453 01:15:07,170 --> 01:15:09,773 et la culture française. 1454 01:15:13,677 --> 01:15:15,579 Well, I've been getting a lot of awards lately 1455 01:15:15,579 --> 01:15:19,849 which would make you think I've been ingested by 1456 01:15:19,849 --> 01:15:22,986 the dominant, industrial, commercial society 1457 01:15:22,986 --> 01:15:24,487 but I haven't. 1458 01:15:24,487 --> 01:15:26,322 I may have been swallowed but I haven't been ingested. 1459 01:15:29,392 --> 01:15:31,961 And I'm indigestible. 1460 01:15:33,429 --> 01:15:37,400 - His particular brand off highly recent, 1461 01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:40,670 highly intelligent, but highly witty political activism 1462 01:15:40,670 --> 01:15:43,940 he has carried that in his life and in his poetry 1463 01:15:43,940 --> 01:15:48,111 effectively and lightly through his whole life career 1464 01:15:48,111 --> 01:15:49,713 right up til now. 1465 01:15:49,713 --> 01:15:51,547 - Ferlinghetti and City Lights is sort of the 1466 01:15:51,547 --> 01:15:53,416 guiding light of this city 1467 01:15:53,416 --> 01:15:56,219 and created the literary atmosphere that everbody's 1468 01:15:56,219 --> 01:15:57,754 attracted to. 1469 01:15:57,754 --> 01:16:00,323 This is the best literary environment in the world. 1470 01:16:00,323 --> 01:16:02,025 It's the most supportive. 1471 01:16:02,025 --> 01:16:03,660 It's the most engaged. 1472 01:16:03,660 --> 01:16:06,162 It's the best example of writers being 1473 01:16:06,162 --> 01:16:07,631 involved in their community 1474 01:16:07,631 --> 01:16:09,065 and not necessarily drawing a line 1475 01:16:09,065 --> 01:16:10,433 between art and politics 1476 01:16:10,433 --> 01:16:11,668 and thinking that, you know, 1477 01:16:11,668 --> 01:16:13,569 artists have a voice and have a place. 1478 01:16:13,569 --> 01:16:17,006 This is all because of City Lights. 1479 01:16:17,006 --> 01:16:19,609 - Ferlinghetti not only has continued to write, 1480 01:16:19,609 --> 01:16:22,511 and there's this very steady outpouring of verse, 1481 01:16:22,511 --> 01:16:25,749 but he has retained his political edge 1482 01:16:25,749 --> 01:16:29,853 and it's gotten sharper by being honed by 1483 01:16:29,853 --> 01:16:32,956 not just time, but American politics. 1484 01:16:32,956 --> 01:16:35,859 It's admirable, I think, that Ferlinghetti is still 1485 01:16:35,859 --> 01:16:37,894 speaking out and using poetry 1486 01:16:37,894 --> 01:16:40,730 as the ultimate freedom of speech. 1487 01:16:42,131 --> 01:16:44,734 - [Lawrence] So now is the time for you to speak 1488 01:16:44,734 --> 01:16:48,504 before they come for you, oh silent majority. 107864

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