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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:43,956 --> 00:00:46,437 Well, I often ask girls 4 00:00:46,481 --> 00:00:49,614 in this situation that they describe the body, 5 00:00:49,658 --> 00:00:53,140 their body, because mostly, they're very honest about it. 6 00:00:53,183 --> 00:00:54,445 So you do that-- 7 00:00:54,489 --> 00:00:56,491 breasts, legs, everything. 8 00:00:58,232 --> 00:01:00,147 He loves big women. 9 00:01:00,190 --> 00:01:05,369 Statues, paintings, sculptures, live ones. 10 00:01:05,413 --> 00:01:07,458 Especially live ones, 11 00:01:07,502 --> 00:01:09,721 because he can manipulate them. 12 00:01:09,765 --> 00:01:12,985 He can control every muscle in their bodies. 13 00:01:13,029 --> 00:01:15,510 There's a kindness in your look, 14 00:01:15,553 --> 00:01:17,816 which is the last thing I want. 15 00:01:17,860 --> 00:01:20,515 Keep the head straight on to me,the chin down. 16 00:01:25,128 --> 00:01:28,566 What is important... 17 00:01:28,610 --> 00:01:30,177 It hasn't got-- 18 00:01:30,220 --> 00:01:32,701 hasn't got any guts yet, you know? 19 00:01:32,744 --> 00:01:34,616 Now, don't look poverty stricken, 20 00:01:34,659 --> 00:01:36,226 look incredible. 21 00:01:36,270 --> 00:01:37,401 There. 22 00:01:50,632 --> 00:01:52,547 First of all, most photographers are 23 00:01:52,590 --> 00:01:54,244 terribly boring people. 24 00:01:54,288 --> 00:01:58,161 And the films of photographers that I've seen 25 00:01:58,205 --> 00:02:00,337 are terribly boring because, uh, 26 00:02:00,381 --> 00:02:01,947 they show a guy behind a camera, 27 00:02:01,991 --> 00:02:03,166 they show his back, 28 00:02:03,210 --> 00:02:04,341 they show the camera, 29 00:02:04,385 --> 00:02:05,342 and you hear the click-click-click 30 00:02:05,386 --> 00:02:06,648 of the shutter 31 00:02:06,691 --> 00:02:09,041 and the dumb talk that goes on 32 00:02:09,085 --> 00:02:11,957 between a model or a sitter 33 00:02:12,001 --> 00:02:14,177 and the photographer. 34 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,072 World-famous photographer Helmut Newton died today 35 00:02:40,116 --> 00:02:42,162 in a car crash in West Hollywood. 36 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,608 You've done it all 37 00:02:53,651 --> 00:02:58,003 you've broken every code 38 00:02:58,047 --> 00:03:03,052 and pulled the rebel to the floor 39 00:03:05,010 --> 00:03:07,230 you spoilt the game 40 00:03:07,274 --> 00:03:11,539 no matter what you say 41 00:03:11,582 --> 00:03:18,676 for only metal, what a bore! 42 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:22,027 Blue eyes, blue eyes 43 00:03:22,071 --> 00:03:28,556 how come you tell so many lies? 44 00:03:28,599 --> 00:03:35,302 Come up and see me, make me smile 45 00:03:35,345 --> 00:03:42,134 or do what you want, running wild 46 00:03:42,178 --> 00:03:44,572 I'm not gonna tell you all that! 47 00:03:44,615 --> 00:03:47,139 No way! 48 00:03:47,183 --> 00:03:49,272 No way. 49 00:03:49,316 --> 00:03:51,492 I gotta keep something up my sleeve 50 00:03:51,535 --> 00:03:54,321 for people that have more money than you. 51 00:03:56,758 --> 00:04:04,156 Ooh, ooh, la-la-la, ooh 52 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:10,815 come up and see me, make me smile 53 00:04:10,859 --> 00:04:18,345 or do what you want, running wild 54 00:04:18,388 --> 00:04:21,696 that's it--that's it right there, right there. 55 00:05:04,521 --> 00:05:07,524 I watched everything. 56 00:05:07,568 --> 00:05:09,961 I watched when he waited for the light 57 00:05:10,005 --> 00:05:12,790 to come down at a certain time, 58 00:05:12,834 --> 00:05:14,662 and then it would be very quick, aggh!, 59 00:05:14,705 --> 00:05:16,011 and then get the picture, 60 00:05:16,054 --> 00:05:18,056 because the light is going, 61 00:05:18,100 --> 00:05:22,496 or the shadows that are moving across are going, 62 00:05:22,539 --> 00:05:24,933 and he worked a lot with the natural-- 63 00:05:24,976 --> 00:05:27,370 with the natural light with me. 64 00:05:27,414 --> 00:05:31,287 And, you know, he had... 65 00:05:31,331 --> 00:05:35,160 He was a little bit pervert, but so am I, so it's okay. 66 00:05:37,511 --> 00:05:41,297 And his pictures, you know, they're erotic 67 00:05:41,341 --> 00:05:44,692 and also with dimensions, 68 00:05:44,735 --> 00:05:51,351 was just not erotic but had suggestions in depths 69 00:05:51,394 --> 00:05:55,398 of a story, they told stories. 70 00:05:55,442 --> 00:05:59,359 Like, you know, I remember he put one knife in my hand, 71 00:05:59,402 --> 00:06:03,232 and it was beautifulwhere I'm laying naked on a cot 72 00:06:03,275 --> 00:06:05,974 and the light is coming across,you know? 73 00:06:06,017 --> 00:06:07,410 And it's funny, 74 00:06:07,454 --> 00:06:09,978 the shadow just covered the part here. 75 00:06:10,021 --> 00:06:12,110 He wait till the shadow just covered here 76 00:06:12,154 --> 00:06:16,593 so there was never vulgar, never vulgar. 77 00:06:16,637 --> 00:06:20,728 Always in beautiful taste 78 00:06:20,771 --> 00:06:24,645 and not something to take away from the story. 79 00:06:24,688 --> 00:06:27,038 It added to his story. 80 00:06:27,082 --> 00:06:28,953 I'm thinking, "what am I doing with this knife?" 81 00:06:28,997 --> 00:06:31,260 And he waits until the light comes 82 00:06:31,303 --> 00:06:34,437 and hits the knife, so I'm holding it like this, 83 00:06:34,481 --> 00:06:36,831 but there's no one else in the picture. 84 00:06:36,874 --> 00:06:40,791 So it leaves to your imagination. 85 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:56,677 You got my attention, baby 86 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:00,681 now I can't make a move 87 00:07:00,724 --> 00:07:05,381 like a child that's starved for love 88 00:07:05,425 --> 00:07:09,777 I'll stand there as long as I have to 89 00:07:09,820 --> 00:07:13,868 sometimes when I do portraits of people that have either 90 00:07:13,911 --> 00:07:16,261 political power or financial power 91 00:07:16,305 --> 00:07:20,527 or sexual power, it's, uh... 92 00:07:20,570 --> 00:07:23,530 They make pretty good subjects for my camera. 93 00:07:23,573 --> 00:07:27,316 Mmm hmm 94 00:07:27,359 --> 00:07:31,102 I'm so in love with you, girl 95 00:07:31,146 --> 00:07:34,062 you make me feel brand new 96 00:08:34,862 --> 00:08:37,604 Baby, if you run away 97 00:08:37,647 --> 00:08:40,563 baby, if you leave 98 00:08:42,434 --> 00:08:44,088 so the first time he photographed me 99 00:08:44,132 --> 00:08:45,699 was with David Lynch. 100 00:08:45,742 --> 00:08:47,701 David looking at me, and I have my eyes closed, 101 00:08:47,744 --> 00:08:50,268 and David is holding my face 102 00:08:50,312 --> 00:08:52,314 as an artist who's looking at an object 103 00:08:52,357 --> 00:08:55,883 and now telling the puppet what she should do, you know? 104 00:08:55,926 --> 00:08:58,625 It was completely on the idea of 105 00:08:58,668 --> 00:09:01,018 the director as the author 106 00:09:01,062 --> 00:09:05,196 and the actress as-- as the puppet that express-- 107 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,242 and in a certain way, it's true, 108 00:09:07,285 --> 00:09:09,636 you express the idea when you work with David Lynch 109 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:11,246 or you work with Helmut Newton. 110 00:09:11,289 --> 00:09:12,900 They're not photographing you, 111 00:09:12,943 --> 00:09:15,598 they're photographing an idea that is in their heads 112 00:09:15,642 --> 00:09:17,557 and you are the vehicle. 113 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:19,297 So you have to make yourself available 114 00:09:19,341 --> 00:09:20,472 or say no. 115 00:09:23,388 --> 00:09:24,651 Ah, the poor thing. 116 00:09:24,694 --> 00:09:27,654 I could start crying when I see her. 117 00:09:27,697 --> 00:09:30,526 I want you to-- to do this, 118 00:09:30,570 --> 00:09:34,617 and just look to the camera like that, okay? 119 00:09:39,187 --> 00:09:41,450 Do it on your side. 120 00:09:45,019 --> 00:09:47,412 The feet together, bit closer to the-- 121 00:09:47,456 --> 00:09:49,458 go on, a bit more, a bit more, a bit more. 122 00:09:49,501 --> 00:09:54,506 Now, with two hands-- that's right, that's right. 123 00:09:54,550 --> 00:09:56,683 Now, stick your bottom out a bit. 124 00:09:56,726 --> 00:09:58,554 That--that's nice. That's good! 125 00:09:58,598 --> 00:10:01,209 That's good, the chin down a little bit. 126 00:10:01,252 --> 00:10:02,906 There! Like that, the same thing now, 127 00:10:02,950 --> 00:10:04,081 with a smile. 128 00:10:04,125 --> 00:10:05,996 Yeah, yeah--perfect! 129 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,826 Now I want you to not smile but look dangerous, hm? 130 00:10:12,699 --> 00:10:14,701 Very vampy. 131 00:10:14,744 --> 00:10:17,094 That's good--that's perfect. 132 00:10:17,138 --> 00:10:19,401 Well, I think it was the work of Helmut 133 00:10:19,444 --> 00:10:21,011 that gave one the courage, 134 00:10:21,055 --> 00:10:23,187 because if you were giving an assignment to Helmut, 135 00:10:23,231 --> 00:10:25,059 you obviously weren't gonna receive 136 00:10:25,102 --> 00:10:26,669 a pretty girl on a lovely beach, 137 00:10:26,713 --> 00:10:28,149 that's just not what he was about. 138 00:10:28,192 --> 00:10:31,718 I mean, you asked Helmut to take on an assignment 139 00:10:31,761 --> 00:10:34,982 the way you would ask, you know, an Irving penn 140 00:10:35,025 --> 00:10:38,376 for something that was what Phyllis and I call 141 00:10:38,420 --> 00:10:39,726 "a stopper" in the magazine, 142 00:10:39,769 --> 00:10:42,206 something that people would remember that was, 143 00:10:42,250 --> 00:10:45,514 hopefully, iconicand maybe sometimes disturbing, 144 00:10:45,557 --> 00:10:48,212 but certainly thought-provoking. 145 00:10:48,256 --> 00:10:52,739 So we...Maybe you might consider it brave, 146 00:10:52,782 --> 00:10:55,959 I personally considered it necessary, 147 00:10:56,003 --> 00:10:59,963 because I think so much of what we do 148 00:11:00,007 --> 00:11:03,532 when we work in fashion is attractive and lovely 149 00:11:03,575 --> 00:11:05,752 and what Alex Liberman would call 150 00:11:05,795 --> 00:11:07,710 "visions of loveliness." 151 00:11:07,754 --> 00:11:10,104 But to contrast with all of that, 152 00:11:10,147 --> 00:11:12,759 I think you really do need work that talks about 153 00:11:12,802 --> 00:11:14,586 the culture at large 154 00:11:14,630 --> 00:11:15,979 and is thought-provoking and different 155 00:11:16,023 --> 00:11:18,678 and sometimes upsets people. 156 00:15:01,552 --> 00:15:02,727 Helmut loved chickens, 157 00:15:02,771 --> 00:15:04,860 he loved to photograph chickens. 158 00:15:04,904 --> 00:15:08,124 So I called him up and I said-- 159 00:15:08,168 --> 00:15:10,997 explained that we were doing this article on fried chicken 160 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,521 and would he be interested in doing a picture. 161 00:15:13,564 --> 00:15:16,916 There was a very brief silence and he said, 162 00:15:16,959 --> 00:15:18,569 "I've always wanted to photograph 163 00:15:18,613 --> 00:15:21,790 a chicken wearing high heels." 164 00:15:21,833 --> 00:15:25,402 So, we got the heels from the doll museum in Paris 165 00:15:25,446 --> 00:15:26,795 and sent them to Monte Carlo, 166 00:15:26,838 --> 00:15:28,057 and got off the plane, 167 00:15:28,101 --> 00:15:30,059 went straight to his apartment 168 00:15:30,103 --> 00:15:33,149 to see what he wanted to do and how he wanted to do it, 169 00:15:33,193 --> 00:15:35,325 and his assistant was there waiting for me. 170 00:15:35,369 --> 00:15:36,848 We sent four pairs of shoes; 171 00:15:36,892 --> 00:15:38,285 he had chosen two. 172 00:15:38,328 --> 00:15:40,026 They were in a bag, 173 00:15:40,069 --> 00:15:41,375 and his assistant was waiting to walk me up the hill 174 00:15:41,418 --> 00:15:42,724 to his butcher. 175 00:15:42,767 --> 00:15:44,508 He didn't blink, he didn't flinch. 176 00:15:44,552 --> 00:15:46,989 He's in his blood-covered apron, 177 00:15:47,033 --> 00:15:48,643 and he said, "yes, of course," 178 00:15:48,686 --> 00:15:51,646 and I tried the shoes on every chicken in the case. 179 00:15:51,689 --> 00:15:54,954 And, um, I took the chicken with the best legs 180 00:15:54,997 --> 00:15:56,477 and brought them back to Helmut, 181 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,305 and he shot that in his kitchen. 182 00:15:58,348 --> 00:15:59,871 Yes, he did. 183 00:15:59,915 --> 00:16:02,265 He did, in the wonderful days of faxes, 184 00:16:02,309 --> 00:16:04,006 and he wrote, "dear Anna, 185 00:16:04,050 --> 00:16:07,009 I want to thank you for having the courage 186 00:16:07,053 --> 00:16:08,402 to publish my "chicken." 187 00:16:08,445 --> 00:16:10,230 Most gratifying to me. 188 00:16:10,273 --> 00:16:12,362 Look forward to the readers' letters." 189 00:16:12,406 --> 00:16:14,451 He loved to hear about the readers' letters. 190 00:16:14,495 --> 00:16:16,062 The worse they were, the better. 191 00:16:16,105 --> 00:16:21,502 Um, "as kaiser Wilhelm ii said in 1914: 192 00:16:21,545 --> 00:16:22,677 'More enemies, more honour!' 193 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:24,592 love as ever from 194 00:16:24,635 --> 00:16:28,030 your favourite old naughty boy,helmut." 195 00:16:37,257 --> 00:16:38,867 When I take pictures, somebody said, 196 00:16:38,910 --> 00:16:40,347 "Helmut is like a dog 197 00:16:40,390 --> 00:16:42,218 that's looking for a place to pee. 198 00:16:42,262 --> 00:16:45,134 Before he takes a picture, he goes around 199 00:16:45,178 --> 00:16:48,268 until he finds a place to photograph." 200 00:16:48,311 --> 00:16:49,660 I've already sniffed it out, 201 00:16:49,704 --> 00:16:51,053 I know where I'll go. 202 00:16:51,097 --> 00:16:52,881 I know where I'm going to pee. 203 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:15,251 "Everybody remembers a bad picture. 204 00:17:15,295 --> 00:17:19,081 Nobody remembers the pain that everybody went through 205 00:17:19,125 --> 00:17:21,301 to get a good picture." 206 00:17:21,344 --> 00:17:23,651 The pain is forgotten. 207 00:17:23,694 --> 00:17:26,915 But a bad picture is never forgotten. 208 00:17:26,958 --> 00:17:30,136 So you might as well have pain for everybody 209 00:17:30,179 --> 00:17:32,529 and get a good picture. 210 00:17:32,573 --> 00:17:35,706 Spread you--Eric,spread your fingers on her ass. 211 00:17:35,750 --> 00:17:36,620 That's it. 212 00:17:36,664 --> 00:17:38,883 There, I like that. 213 00:17:38,927 --> 00:17:45,281 Come and see me, make me smile 214 00:17:45,325 --> 00:17:48,284 Eric, your lips must be closed always. 215 00:17:48,328 --> 00:17:50,721 Turn your head more profile. 216 00:17:50,765 --> 00:17:52,158 That's it. 217 00:17:52,201 --> 00:17:54,160 He has to open and close his lips to breathe. 218 00:17:54,203 --> 00:17:56,510 Oh yeah--well, tell him he can breathe. 219 00:17:56,553 --> 00:17:58,947 Close your lips, stay like that. 220 00:17:58,990 --> 00:18:00,775 Eric, if you get a hard-on, all the better. 221 00:18:00,818 --> 00:18:03,517 You get more money. 222 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:05,171 Beautiful. 223 00:18:05,214 --> 00:18:07,738 Spread your--Vanessa, spread your fingers more. 224 00:18:07,782 --> 00:18:09,479 Good, beautiful. 225 00:18:09,523 --> 00:18:11,960 Eric, if you want to breathe, you breathe. 226 00:18:12,003 --> 00:18:13,614 I love the hand on the cock. 227 00:18:13,657 --> 00:18:15,572 I'm gonna send that to Anna, she's gonna have a fit! 228 00:18:17,270 --> 00:18:19,228 Cover of vogue magazine. 229 00:18:34,069 --> 00:18:36,898 When I first met him when I was starting off 230 00:18:36,941 --> 00:18:38,943 in London, and he was a great friend 231 00:18:38,987 --> 00:18:41,555 of one of the editors thati was working with at the time, 232 00:18:41,598 --> 00:18:42,643 Willie Landels, 233 00:18:42,686 --> 00:18:45,254 and he was this mythic figure 234 00:18:45,298 --> 00:18:47,604 and I was, you know, just beginning, 235 00:18:47,648 --> 00:18:49,171 and there was a shoot scheduled, 236 00:18:49,215 --> 00:18:51,652 and I was actually, it was in-- 237 00:18:51,695 --> 00:18:53,349 I think it was going to be in California, 238 00:18:53,393 --> 00:18:57,788 and he had this idea about putting covers on the cars 239 00:18:57,832 --> 00:18:59,225 and the girls would be in the garage, 240 00:18:59,268 --> 00:19:01,357 two things that I think he liked to do a lot. 241 00:19:01,401 --> 00:19:03,316 And I was so terrified at the idea 242 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:05,796 of having to work with him that I lied 243 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:07,233 and said I was sick. 244 00:19:07,276 --> 00:19:08,973 And I sent my assistant, 245 00:19:09,017 --> 00:19:10,584 because I was too terrified at the idea 246 00:19:10,627 --> 00:19:13,195 of working with the great Helmut Newton. 247 00:19:19,245 --> 00:19:21,856 Make it almost look natural. 248 00:19:21,899 --> 00:19:27,166 That it's a little bit more than that, you know? 249 00:19:27,209 --> 00:19:29,733 Uh-huh...yeah. 250 00:19:30,865 --> 00:19:32,214 Look at me. 251 00:19:32,258 --> 00:19:33,650 Bring that, uh... 252 00:19:33,694 --> 00:19:35,739 -Coke? -...That coke to you. 253 00:19:35,783 --> 00:19:37,785 Stop--stop. 254 00:19:37,828 --> 00:19:39,308 Stop. Yeah. Just-- 255 00:19:39,352 --> 00:19:41,876 just the expression like that, don't move now. 256 00:19:41,919 --> 00:19:43,704 Don't move. 257 00:19:43,747 --> 00:19:44,879 Hang on. 258 00:19:49,057 --> 00:19:50,754 I think, of course, 259 00:19:50,798 --> 00:19:52,452 a Helmut Newton woman was very strong, 260 00:19:52,495 --> 00:19:54,802 she was provocative, she was in charge. 261 00:19:54,845 --> 00:19:58,327 She was often tall, she was often blonde. 262 00:19:58,371 --> 00:20:00,329 She had on strong lipstick. 263 00:20:00,373 --> 00:20:05,204 I mean, unrecog--unmistakably a Helmut Newton woman. 264 00:20:16,302 --> 00:20:19,696 Helmut explained-- exposed a lot 265 00:20:19,740 --> 00:20:21,829 of the men feeling, you know. 266 00:20:21,872 --> 00:20:24,223 I don't think his comment was so much about the women 267 00:20:24,266 --> 00:20:26,050 as much as his own feeling. 268 00:20:26,094 --> 00:20:28,618 "I like you, damn you. 269 00:20:28,662 --> 00:20:31,882 I like you, and why should," you know, 270 00:20:31,926 --> 00:20:33,319 "I shouldn't like you, 271 00:20:33,362 --> 00:20:35,973 because you are a weapon." 272 00:21:00,259 --> 00:21:02,870 I do consider myself a feminist. 273 00:21:02,913 --> 00:21:07,831 But I do consider that the expression of machismo, 274 00:21:07,875 --> 00:21:09,485 it's an expression of a culture. 275 00:21:09,529 --> 00:21:12,358 Now, Helmut, of course, it wasn't just simply macho, 276 00:21:12,401 --> 00:21:14,838 it was more complicated than that. 277 00:21:14,882 --> 00:21:17,841 But he does look at women as a sexual object 278 00:21:17,885 --> 00:21:21,628 and also an attraction and an anger toward her, 279 00:21:21,671 --> 00:21:23,194 and I think that's very macho. 280 00:21:23,238 --> 00:21:25,545 Men that are attracted to women 281 00:21:25,588 --> 00:21:26,937 and then resent women 282 00:21:26,981 --> 00:21:28,287 because they are attracted to them, 283 00:21:28,330 --> 00:21:30,027 so they make them vulnerable. 284 00:21:30,071 --> 00:21:31,725 That is intolerable. 285 00:21:31,768 --> 00:21:34,423 And then, there is that "you are the devil," you know? 286 00:21:34,467 --> 00:21:36,382 But I think it's very interesting 287 00:21:36,425 --> 00:21:38,427 because it reveals a culture, 288 00:21:38,471 --> 00:21:41,300 and if Helmut represented partially that culture, 289 00:21:41,343 --> 00:21:43,302 why not? I mean, it exists, 290 00:21:43,345 --> 00:21:47,044 and thank god artists were able to express it. 291 00:21:47,088 --> 00:21:48,263 There is no neutrality, 292 00:21:48,307 --> 00:21:49,699 there is no right and wrong. 293 00:21:49,743 --> 00:21:52,920 Everything is tinted with a point of view. 294 00:25:31,312 --> 00:25:33,314 It's the vision he has. 295 00:25:33,357 --> 00:25:34,968 And when you have a vision creatively, 296 00:25:35,011 --> 00:25:36,578 you don't have to necessarily live that vision, 297 00:25:36,622 --> 00:25:38,188 it doesn't have to be you. 298 00:25:38,232 --> 00:25:41,191 It's actually very-- usually very much not you. 299 00:25:41,235 --> 00:25:43,629 I mean, a lot of people thoughta lot of things about me 300 00:25:43,672 --> 00:25:45,369 after Night Porter and other films. 301 00:25:45,413 --> 00:25:47,502 They couldn't be more wrong about me as the person, 302 00:25:47,546 --> 00:25:48,721 but that doesn't matter. 303 00:25:48,764 --> 00:25:50,505 I couldn't care less what-- 304 00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:51,985 I know what I am, 305 00:25:52,028 --> 00:25:54,640 but what you actually produce as an art form 306 00:25:54,683 --> 00:25:57,556 like Helmut, the visuals that we have, 307 00:25:57,599 --> 00:25:59,688 you could--you could imagine all these things. 308 00:25:59,732 --> 00:26:00,776 And how great that is, 309 00:26:00,820 --> 00:26:02,299 that's what art needs to have. 310 00:26:02,343 --> 00:26:05,259 It needs to have you coming in to imagine. 311 00:26:05,302 --> 00:26:06,652 And then, immediately you say, 312 00:26:06,695 --> 00:26:08,828 "oh, but he's--but he's probably really weird, 313 00:26:08,871 --> 00:26:10,438 you know, he's doing this and that," 314 00:26:10,481 --> 00:26:12,092 and that always-- 315 00:26:12,135 --> 00:26:15,138 that's only gonna sort of fuel the whole thing more, 316 00:26:15,182 --> 00:26:16,662 which is good. 317 00:26:16,705 --> 00:26:19,186 I mean, it's great to be a provocateur, 318 00:26:19,229 --> 00:26:21,014 that's what-- that's what the world needs 319 00:26:21,057 --> 00:26:22,668 is a form of provocation, 320 00:26:22,711 --> 00:26:24,234 'cause it stimulates thought and it stimulates ideas 321 00:26:24,278 --> 00:26:26,193 and it stimulates all sorts of, actually, 322 00:26:26,236 --> 00:26:30,632 conversations that don't really have anything to do 323 00:26:30,676 --> 00:26:31,938 with the man himself-- 324 00:26:31,981 --> 00:26:33,026 and who cares with the man himself? 325 00:26:33,069 --> 00:26:34,723 We're looking at his art. 326 00:26:53,742 --> 00:26:57,659 I really wasn't aware that it made such a 327 00:26:57,703 --> 00:26:59,008 big scandal. 328 00:26:59,052 --> 00:27:01,620 I know basically... 329 00:27:01,663 --> 00:27:03,578 I kind of heard around a bit, 330 00:27:03,622 --> 00:27:08,191 oh, sexism and racism, and... 331 00:27:08,235 --> 00:27:12,239 But I don't-- I never felt that at all, 332 00:27:12,282 --> 00:27:13,544 you know? 333 00:27:13,588 --> 00:27:18,898 I mean, it's like, again, acting in films. 334 00:27:18,941 --> 00:27:21,422 These things really did exist. 335 00:27:21,465 --> 00:27:22,684 Being in chains, 336 00:27:22,728 --> 00:27:24,512 I never saw it like that. 337 00:27:24,555 --> 00:27:26,732 Because, you know, sometimes you can go through 338 00:27:26,775 --> 00:27:31,911 a period of experimenting, even sexually, you know? 339 00:27:31,954 --> 00:27:34,478 I mean, I've tied up guys before. 340 00:27:34,522 --> 00:27:35,784 White guys. 341 00:27:37,351 --> 00:27:38,918 Big white guys! 342 00:27:38,961 --> 00:27:43,400 I don't wanna say who, but... 343 00:27:43,444 --> 00:27:47,187 I'm standing in this empty truck, 344 00:27:47,230 --> 00:27:49,450 just standing, like, very dominant, 345 00:27:49,493 --> 00:27:50,973 and dolph is standing down, 346 00:27:51,017 --> 00:27:53,802 and I'm just looking down on him like this. 347 00:27:53,846 --> 00:27:57,588 I'm kind of getting into Helmut's head, you know, 348 00:27:57,632 --> 00:28:01,549 and it's more of the black-and-white, 349 00:28:01,592 --> 00:28:05,553 because--and, because, you know, 350 00:28:05,596 --> 00:28:08,730 he had dolph kind of looking like the worker 351 00:28:08,774 --> 00:28:11,385 behind the fence, and he cannot get to me. 352 00:28:11,428 --> 00:28:16,042 So in a lot of these pictures, it's... 353 00:28:16,085 --> 00:28:20,263 It's like he wants me but I'm not available. 354 00:28:20,307 --> 00:28:23,484 I am so close and in his face, 355 00:28:23,527 --> 00:28:26,835 but there's this distance still,you know? 356 00:28:26,879 --> 00:28:29,359 Until the one, of course, where he's holding 357 00:28:29,403 --> 00:28:31,579 and I'm looking behind. 358 00:28:50,119 --> 00:28:55,385 I've been looking so long at these pictures of you 359 00:28:55,429 --> 00:29:00,956 that I almost believe that they're real 360 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:06,527 I've been living so long with my pictures of you 361 00:29:06,570 --> 00:29:11,053 that I almost believe that the pictures 362 00:29:11,097 --> 00:29:14,317 are all I can feel 363 00:31:27,450 --> 00:31:29,017 I'm often asked if I'm jealous 364 00:31:29,061 --> 00:31:31,802 of the girls he photographs. 365 00:31:31,846 --> 00:31:33,065 It's a job. 366 00:31:33,108 --> 00:31:34,849 It's his livelihood. 367 00:31:34,893 --> 00:31:36,633 It's how he makes his living. 368 00:31:36,677 --> 00:31:37,939 That's right. 369 00:31:37,983 --> 00:31:39,593 It's more than a job. 370 00:31:39,636 --> 00:31:41,595 It's a passion. 371 00:31:41,638 --> 00:31:43,858 An obsession. 372 00:31:43,902 --> 00:31:45,512 He's obsessed. 373 00:31:45,555 --> 00:31:50,473 I never saw Helmut as, like, the womanizer 374 00:31:50,517 --> 00:31:52,954 he would probably come off to be 375 00:31:52,998 --> 00:31:54,651 from his pictures. 376 00:31:54,695 --> 00:31:56,871 This was not Helmut. 377 00:31:56,915 --> 00:31:58,960 But if you see his pictures, 378 00:31:59,004 --> 00:32:03,399 you would think this guy is just like, "whoa!" 379 00:32:03,443 --> 00:32:06,402 "Yeah, come on, baby!" 380 00:32:06,446 --> 00:32:07,751 You know? 381 00:32:10,580 --> 00:32:15,672 You know,these are amazing fantasies and 382 00:32:15,716 --> 00:32:20,199 his beautiful, creative mind, you know? 383 00:32:20,242 --> 00:32:23,724 And loving the beauty of women, 384 00:32:23,767 --> 00:32:25,856 I saw that, you know? 385 00:32:37,042 --> 00:32:38,695 I got the contact sheet, yeah. 386 00:32:38,739 --> 00:32:41,307 It was at the time, also, when it was as we were-- 387 00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:42,917 it was almost like we were sort of opening up 388 00:32:42,961 --> 00:32:45,964 at the same time, you know, 389 00:32:46,007 --> 00:32:48,053 my way and his way, 390 00:32:48,096 --> 00:32:49,706 and we actually came together there 391 00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:51,404 and made these extraordinary images very quickly. 392 00:32:51,447 --> 00:32:52,796 It was like-- 393 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:54,842 there was a kind of magic there, 394 00:32:54,885 --> 00:32:57,062 a freedom of--we were on the cusp of something 395 00:32:57,105 --> 00:32:59,107 and we were about to launch, 396 00:32:59,151 --> 00:33:02,632 and so there was no-- there was--yeah. 397 00:33:02,676 --> 00:33:05,418 All the things later sort of became different, 398 00:33:05,461 --> 00:33:06,897 but that was... 399 00:33:06,941 --> 00:33:09,117 There was a real beauty there, yeah. 400 00:33:19,388 --> 00:33:23,653 Well, the ones that we didin nord pinus hotel, the nudes, 401 00:33:23,697 --> 00:33:26,526 I think they're some of the most amazing photos 402 00:33:26,569 --> 00:33:28,223 of me, absolutely. 403 00:33:28,267 --> 00:33:29,964 And they are-- 404 00:33:30,008 --> 00:33:31,618 because there's something about the child in there. 405 00:33:31,661 --> 00:33:33,098 It's almost like the child sort of not really wanting 406 00:33:33,141 --> 00:33:34,621 to reveal who she is, 407 00:33:34,664 --> 00:33:36,101 which is what I was at that time. 408 00:33:36,144 --> 00:33:39,539 I was only about-- in my late 20s. 409 00:33:39,582 --> 00:33:44,326 And, um, there was something rebellious about it, saying, 410 00:33:44,370 --> 00:33:45,980 "ohh, not too close," you know. 411 00:33:46,024 --> 00:33:47,286 "I'll do it on my terms. 412 00:33:47,329 --> 00:33:48,548 You do it on your terms, I'll do it on my terms. 413 00:33:48,591 --> 00:33:50,158 You photograph me, 414 00:33:50,202 --> 00:33:52,682 but I'll do as I want in this photo--as a model." 415 00:33:52,726 --> 00:33:54,032 Which I've always done, 416 00:33:54,075 --> 00:33:55,511 it's always been the way I've actually worked 417 00:33:55,555 --> 00:33:58,079 in this business is like that. 418 00:33:58,123 --> 00:33:59,472 So there was-- all that began, 419 00:33:59,515 --> 00:34:01,082 there was something very-- 420 00:34:01,126 --> 00:34:03,084 there was something very exciting in the-- 421 00:34:03,128 --> 00:34:08,133 in the making of the image of--of myself. 422 00:34:08,176 --> 00:34:10,222 'Cause I'd never really thought about it before. 423 00:34:10,265 --> 00:34:11,658 You know, now we think about image all the time, 424 00:34:11,701 --> 00:34:13,007 all the time, but there, 425 00:34:13,051 --> 00:34:14,617 I hadn't really thought about it. 426 00:34:14,661 --> 00:34:16,097 I was acting, I was doing theserather interesting films, 427 00:34:16,141 --> 00:34:17,925 I was... 428 00:34:17,968 --> 00:34:20,667 And suddenly, I was actually seeing what an image can do 429 00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:22,712 and how important it can be. 430 00:34:22,756 --> 00:34:24,627 And as it's-- if you start with an image 431 00:34:24,671 --> 00:34:26,934 like Helmut Newton did me 432 00:34:26,977 --> 00:34:30,242 in that hotel at that time at the age I have, 433 00:34:30,285 --> 00:34:31,417 and you start out with that. 434 00:34:31,460 --> 00:34:33,158 I had just done Night Porter, 435 00:34:33,201 --> 00:34:35,203 so those images went beautifully with that. 436 00:34:35,247 --> 00:34:37,118 So you start to create 437 00:34:37,162 --> 00:34:39,512 something that you hadn't even imagined. 438 00:34:39,555 --> 00:34:40,861 Whereas now, you do imagine it. 439 00:34:40,904 --> 00:34:43,081 But then, it was au naturel. 440 00:34:43,124 --> 00:34:45,648 We were just sort of figuring it out. 441 00:34:54,875 --> 00:34:55,876 He'd never really done nudes, 442 00:34:55,919 --> 00:34:57,617 I'd never really done nudes. 443 00:34:57,660 --> 00:34:59,053 He said, "it doesn't matter whether you're nude or not, 444 00:34:59,097 --> 00:35:00,663 just be there and just stand there, 445 00:35:00,707 --> 00:35:02,187 just do that, stand in front of-- 446 00:35:02,230 --> 00:35:05,668 in the window,go on the bed and just sort of-- 447 00:35:05,712 --> 00:35:08,193 just give me attitude," he said. 448 00:35:08,236 --> 00:35:10,499 Which I did. 449 00:36:07,252 --> 00:36:09,428 When I asked him if he realized 450 00:36:09,471 --> 00:36:11,691 how deeply subversive he was, 451 00:36:11,734 --> 00:36:13,910 if the anarchy was intentional, 452 00:36:13,954 --> 00:36:16,174 or if he was just a naughty boy, 453 00:36:16,217 --> 00:36:17,827 he said 454 00:36:17,871 --> 00:36:21,570 he's a naughty boy who grew up to be an anarchist, 455 00:36:21,614 --> 00:36:23,442 but he's still a naughty boy, 456 00:36:23,485 --> 00:36:25,357 and he'll always be a naughty boy. 457 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:26,358 I like Cindy. 458 00:36:28,273 --> 00:36:30,144 -...in the head so much. -Sorry. 459 00:36:30,188 --> 00:36:33,278 It's the best picture, mm-hm. 460 00:36:35,758 --> 00:36:38,021 Will you ever forgive me? 461 00:36:38,065 --> 00:36:39,501 It was actually extraordinary 462 00:36:39,545 --> 00:36:43,375 that Helmut was accepted by the industry, 463 00:36:43,418 --> 00:36:45,638 because he was much more dangerous, 464 00:36:45,681 --> 00:36:48,293 much more ambiguous and frightening than-- 465 00:36:48,336 --> 00:36:50,382 than an avedon or a penn. 466 00:36:50,425 --> 00:36:53,211 And I think he was accepted because, probably, 467 00:36:53,254 --> 00:36:54,560 it was the right time. 468 00:36:54,603 --> 00:36:57,171 It was the '60s, the sexual revolution. 469 00:36:57,215 --> 00:37:01,393 He did photograph women nude and there was a twist to it, 470 00:37:01,436 --> 00:37:04,657 and it was a moment where society was accepting 471 00:37:04,700 --> 00:37:09,270 nudity as an...Um, I mean, we can also talk about 472 00:37:09,314 --> 00:37:10,793 Robert Mapplethorpe, 473 00:37:10,837 --> 00:37:12,317 who was younger than Helmut Newton 474 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,449 and photographed male mostly naked. 475 00:37:14,493 --> 00:37:19,149 But, um, that was where the artists were. 476 00:37:19,193 --> 00:37:22,979 It had been a very long taboo for many years, 477 00:37:23,023 --> 00:37:24,807 to see the naked body, 478 00:37:24,851 --> 00:37:26,287 and now we could see it. 479 00:37:26,331 --> 00:37:29,072 But the naked body is not just naked. 480 00:37:29,116 --> 00:37:31,336 The naked body is a temptation 481 00:37:31,379 --> 00:37:32,728 or it's a fear, 482 00:37:32,772 --> 00:37:35,340 it's an embarrassment. 483 00:37:35,383 --> 00:37:37,080 It's many things, 484 00:37:37,124 --> 00:37:41,476 and each photographer photographed one aspect of it. 485 00:38:24,389 --> 00:38:29,437 I don't think anyone else could've made me do that. 486 00:38:29,481 --> 00:38:35,313 Helmut made me show my tits in that way 487 00:38:35,356 --> 00:38:38,490 without feeling any embarrassment 488 00:38:38,533 --> 00:38:40,579 or shame or anything. 489 00:38:40,622 --> 00:38:42,494 I was rather prudish. 490 00:38:42,537 --> 00:38:44,887 I think I still am. 491 00:38:44,931 --> 00:38:47,977 You know, I was brought up by nuns 492 00:38:48,021 --> 00:38:50,153 in a catholic convent. 493 00:38:50,197 --> 00:38:54,854 It took me yearsto decompress and get over that, 494 00:38:54,897 --> 00:38:56,464 really. 495 00:38:56,508 --> 00:39:00,729 And, um, Helmut was one of the first people I met 496 00:39:00,773 --> 00:39:05,125 who didn't have any of those hang-ups. 497 00:39:05,168 --> 00:39:09,042 It was the very first session I did with him. 498 00:39:09,085 --> 00:39:13,438 I was living in a basement in Chelsea 499 00:39:13,481 --> 00:39:18,138 with my second husband, my punk husband, Ben, 500 00:39:18,181 --> 00:39:20,662 in frightful squalor, you know. 501 00:39:20,706 --> 00:39:22,795 We had nothing, no money. 502 00:39:22,838 --> 00:39:25,624 And I borrowed Ben's leather jacket 503 00:39:25,667 --> 00:39:28,714 to do this, I took it with me. 504 00:39:28,757 --> 00:39:30,368 And he loved it. 505 00:39:30,411 --> 00:39:32,065 And that's all he wanted, 506 00:39:32,108 --> 00:39:34,284 for me to just wear the leather jacket. 507 00:39:34,328 --> 00:39:36,635 That's why it looks like that. 508 00:39:49,561 --> 00:39:53,826 That second picture really is my soul. 509 00:39:53,869 --> 00:39:55,262 Definitely. 510 00:39:55,305 --> 00:39:58,831 My external--you know, what I was wearing 511 00:39:58,874 --> 00:40:01,442 really didn't matter, you know? 512 00:40:01,486 --> 00:40:04,184 I made it into something else. 513 00:40:04,227 --> 00:40:07,579 And he saw that and took that picture. 514 00:40:15,195 --> 00:40:17,632 I was very shy, and I'd just turned 17, 515 00:40:17,676 --> 00:40:20,983 and there was never a moment where I felt uncomfortable. 516 00:40:21,027 --> 00:40:22,681 And it was just an amazing experience 517 00:40:22,724 --> 00:40:26,815 where I walked away saying, "this man is incredible." 518 00:40:26,859 --> 00:40:28,687 He had sort of a twinkle in his eye, 519 00:40:28,730 --> 00:40:32,255 that nothing was serious, everything understated 520 00:40:32,299 --> 00:40:34,083 and very witty. 521 00:40:34,127 --> 00:40:36,085 So, him putting together 522 00:40:36,129 --> 00:40:38,523 a mise-en-scene sort of like this, um, 523 00:40:38,566 --> 00:40:40,568 he just thought about it in the moment, 524 00:40:40,612 --> 00:40:43,092 and he thought it was interesting, 525 00:40:43,136 --> 00:40:48,228 'cause I think, considering that I looked so innocent and, 526 00:40:48,271 --> 00:40:49,490 you know, it was like a funny thing 527 00:40:49,534 --> 00:40:51,231 to put us together like this, 528 00:40:51,274 --> 00:40:53,189 and he's offering me sweets as if I don't know him. 529 00:40:53,233 --> 00:40:55,365 Um, that was very much typical him, 530 00:40:55,409 --> 00:40:57,890 because he just thought of things of the moment. 531 00:40:57,933 --> 00:40:59,457 The shoulders a bit more to me-- 532 00:40:59,500 --> 00:41:00,806 that's beautiful. 533 00:41:00,849 --> 00:41:02,721 Keep it close, that's nice. 534 00:41:02,764 --> 00:41:04,679 Good, good, good. 535 00:41:04,723 --> 00:41:08,291 Good, good, beautiful, good. 536 00:41:08,335 --> 00:41:09,510 Definitely, when I look at the pictures, 537 00:41:09,554 --> 00:41:11,381 it's definitely not me. 538 00:41:11,425 --> 00:41:12,557 So it's his imagination 539 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:13,862 and it's my imagination. 540 00:41:13,906 --> 00:41:16,256 I love the fact that I can be this different 541 00:41:16,299 --> 00:41:17,649 through his lens 542 00:41:17,692 --> 00:41:19,085 and play around in different people, 543 00:41:19,128 --> 00:41:20,782 different character roles. 544 00:41:20,826 --> 00:41:22,828 I think he was trying to look for the different facets 545 00:41:22,871 --> 00:41:25,047 of who I could be. 546 00:41:25,091 --> 00:41:26,571 There's one that's the dirndl, 547 00:41:26,614 --> 00:41:28,921 which represents very much the German girl, 548 00:41:28,964 --> 00:41:33,055 and then the sexy girl as well,and then 549 00:41:33,099 --> 00:41:35,014 the sort of, the nighttime-- 550 00:41:35,057 --> 00:41:36,711 the darkness of fashion, I think, 551 00:41:36,755 --> 00:41:38,408 that was always my take on that, 552 00:41:38,452 --> 00:41:41,586 that that was representingsort of the darkness of fashion 553 00:41:41,629 --> 00:41:44,632 and what else there is to it. 554 00:41:44,676 --> 00:41:46,242 So I think for me, it was just sort of 555 00:41:46,286 --> 00:41:48,680 the woman in different-- different places. 556 00:41:52,684 --> 00:41:56,209 Yes, push, push, push. 557 00:41:56,252 --> 00:41:57,166 Yeah. 558 00:41:57,210 --> 00:41:58,690 The head more to me. 559 00:41:58,733 --> 00:42:01,562 A twinkle in the eye coming from Helmut 560 00:42:01,606 --> 00:42:05,261 with some fun setups that he hadthought of last minute. 561 00:42:05,305 --> 00:42:08,438 The husband supposedly with the lover behind the door. 562 00:42:08,482 --> 00:42:09,918 That's great, that's great. 563 00:42:09,962 --> 00:42:11,572 Go, go, go. 564 00:42:11,616 --> 00:42:13,269 Which is very Helmut Newton. 565 00:42:13,313 --> 00:42:15,445 And again, this is how you recognize also, um, 566 00:42:15,489 --> 00:42:17,447 his photos, 'cause there's that-- 567 00:42:17,491 --> 00:42:19,798 it's the high fashion come together with 568 00:42:19,841 --> 00:42:21,843 an interesting angle of some kind, 569 00:42:21,887 --> 00:42:25,107 and together with sexiness. 570 00:42:25,151 --> 00:42:26,892 That's good-- chin down a bit, Claudia. 571 00:42:26,935 --> 00:42:28,415 Down, down. 572 00:42:28,458 --> 00:42:30,156 A bit more to me. 573 00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:31,592 Not too much. 574 00:42:31,636 --> 00:42:33,376 There! Perfect! 575 00:42:33,420 --> 00:42:34,856 It was quite funny, 576 00:42:34,900 --> 00:42:36,771 because they looked for anyone who could play 577 00:42:36,815 --> 00:42:40,079 the role of the maid with her head in the oven, 578 00:42:40,122 --> 00:42:43,604 and they eventually went to a university 579 00:42:43,648 --> 00:42:45,519 and asked for any students who would be willing 580 00:42:45,563 --> 00:42:46,825 to come forward. 581 00:42:46,868 --> 00:42:48,261 And I remember the girl arrived 582 00:42:48,304 --> 00:42:49,654 and had no idea who Helmut Newton was 583 00:42:49,697 --> 00:42:52,657 and what was about to happen. 584 00:42:52,700 --> 00:42:56,965 And was a bit, um... Surprised when she was asked 585 00:42:57,009 --> 00:42:59,272 to put her head into the oven now for the picture, 586 00:42:59,315 --> 00:43:02,754 and I was just standing behind her. 587 00:43:02,797 --> 00:43:05,626 Which made us all laugh, including her. 588 00:43:05,670 --> 00:43:07,062 Listen, get her telephone number, 589 00:43:07,106 --> 00:43:09,499 we'll call-- get her telephone number 590 00:43:09,543 --> 00:43:11,153 and we'll call her back. 591 00:43:11,197 --> 00:43:12,633 Hello? 592 00:43:12,677 --> 00:43:13,895 Just one minute. 593 00:43:13,939 --> 00:43:18,247 Yeah, what do you speak, English or French? 594 00:43:18,291 --> 00:43:20,467 Okay. 595 00:43:20,510 --> 00:43:21,642 The what? 596 00:43:24,340 --> 00:43:25,907 No, no, no, I don't speak Spanish. 597 00:43:25,951 --> 00:43:29,302 I speak English, French, and German. 598 00:43:29,345 --> 00:43:30,956 But--all right. 599 00:43:30,999 --> 00:43:32,261 Now, I'll tell you something. 600 00:43:32,305 --> 00:43:33,219 I'm in the middle of a meeting, 601 00:43:33,262 --> 00:43:34,524 you've gotta be quick. 602 00:43:59,201 --> 00:44:00,986 And you're--you're on? 603 00:44:01,029 --> 00:44:04,859 Good. Film this girl. 604 00:44:04,903 --> 00:44:06,687 Go closer. 605 00:44:06,731 --> 00:44:09,821 Go closer! 606 00:44:09,864 --> 00:44:12,084 That is perfect. 607 00:44:12,127 --> 00:44:14,608 Look how pretty they look. 608 00:44:14,652 --> 00:44:15,957 Most these Berlin g-- 609 00:44:16,001 --> 00:44:18,699 because the sun comes out very rarely, 610 00:44:18,743 --> 00:44:25,706 so they have a somewhat unhealthy bluish-white skin, 611 00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:28,013 which I think is great, 612 00:44:28,056 --> 00:44:30,972 and they have beautiful lips 613 00:44:31,016 --> 00:44:33,758 and the high cheekbones, 614 00:44:33,801 --> 00:44:36,935 and they're well built. 615 00:44:36,978 --> 00:44:39,633 They're funny because all berliners are funny, 616 00:44:39,677 --> 00:44:43,550 you know, like the rest of the Germans are boring, 617 00:44:43,593 --> 00:44:46,814 but berliners have got something. 618 00:45:27,463 --> 00:45:29,378 I think he was weimar. 619 00:45:29,422 --> 00:45:31,163 That's how I think of him, 620 00:45:31,206 --> 00:45:34,514 like connected to brecht and weill 621 00:45:34,557 --> 00:45:37,169 and all that wonderful-- 622 00:45:37,212 --> 00:45:39,040 George Grosz-- 623 00:45:39,084 --> 00:45:42,609 you know, that wonderful periodof German art, 624 00:45:42,652 --> 00:45:44,306 expressionism. 625 00:45:44,350 --> 00:45:45,830 That was Helmut. 626 00:45:53,794 --> 00:45:55,796 I loved my parents, they were great. 627 00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,755 Very different in their influence on me. 628 00:45:57,798 --> 00:46:02,455 My mother was a very spoiled woman 629 00:46:02,498 --> 00:46:04,979 and quite hysterical in many ways, 630 00:46:05,023 --> 00:46:08,461 but pretty wonderful. 631 00:46:08,504 --> 00:46:10,550 Pretty wonderful. 632 00:46:10,593 --> 00:46:12,291 And very encouraging indeed. 633 00:46:12,334 --> 00:46:14,989 She encouraged me very much to become a photographer. 634 00:46:15,033 --> 00:46:18,863 My father was, uh, he was horrified by the idea. 635 00:46:20,952 --> 00:46:22,823 None of my sons-- 636 00:46:22,867 --> 00:46:25,304 one son became a farmer 637 00:46:25,347 --> 00:46:27,480 and the other one wanted to be a photographer. 638 00:46:27,523 --> 00:46:31,571 I mean, what a down-- what a downturn in the family. 639 00:46:31,614 --> 00:46:35,967 "You take pictures for a weekendfor a hobby, my boy. 640 00:46:36,010 --> 00:46:37,838 You end up in the gutter, my boy." 641 00:46:37,882 --> 00:46:39,361 And he was right, I did, 642 00:46:39,405 --> 00:46:41,842 but it was a good time in the gutter. 643 00:46:41,886 --> 00:46:43,931 I was determined, I wasn't gonna grow 644 00:46:43,975 --> 00:46:46,368 and make buttons, you know. 645 00:46:46,412 --> 00:46:51,417 It didn't interest me to go into dad's business. 646 00:46:56,944 --> 00:46:59,077 My mother used to chase me 647 00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,035 with my 648 00:47:01,079 --> 00:47:04,212 into the stadtpark, in the schoöneberger stadtpark, 649 00:47:04,256 --> 00:47:07,737 here, for two and a half hours every day. 650 00:47:07,781 --> 00:47:10,001 I really hated this park, 651 00:47:10,044 --> 00:47:11,959 but it has memories. 652 00:47:12,003 --> 00:47:15,571 This fence has not changed, 653 00:47:15,615 --> 00:47:19,053 and I had one of those push rollers 654 00:47:19,097 --> 00:47:20,968 that kids have, made of wood, 655 00:47:21,012 --> 00:47:24,929 and I come down the hill at great speed, 656 00:47:24,972 --> 00:47:26,800 and I see a little girl, 657 00:47:26,844 --> 00:47:29,194 I think I must've been 6 years old, 658 00:47:29,237 --> 00:47:31,413 I turn around to the little girl, 659 00:47:31,457 --> 00:47:35,026 and of course, I slip, the roller on the floor, 660 00:47:35,069 --> 00:47:39,900 and me, I'm landing on this fence with my wrist. 661 00:47:39,944 --> 00:47:43,904 Wrist was broken, came home screaming. 662 00:47:43,948 --> 00:47:45,950 You shouldn't turn around and look at girls. 663 00:47:53,044 --> 00:47:55,568 When I was 13, 664 00:47:55,611 --> 00:47:57,396 Hitler came to power, 665 00:47:57,439 --> 00:48:00,878 and very soon, 666 00:48:00,921 --> 00:48:03,402 one was surrounded by Nazi imagery. 667 00:48:17,459 --> 00:48:21,072 Everybody knows I'm a Jew, and that's fine, 668 00:48:21,115 --> 00:48:24,989 but imagine a kid that's crazy about pictures 669 00:48:25,032 --> 00:48:27,295 and all he wants to do is look at pictures, 670 00:48:27,339 --> 00:48:29,950 and all he sees is Nazi pictures 671 00:48:29,994 --> 00:48:34,999 and the way the, you know, 672 00:48:35,042 --> 00:48:36,826 the glorification, 673 00:48:36,870 --> 00:48:38,480 like leni riefenstahl. 674 00:48:38,524 --> 00:48:42,963 I mean, she did a very good jobfor the government, 675 00:48:43,007 --> 00:48:44,399 for the Nazis, an excellent job. 676 00:48:44,443 --> 00:48:46,010 Nobody could've done a better job 677 00:48:46,053 --> 00:48:47,750 because she's also a bloody genius. 678 00:49:09,685 --> 00:49:11,165 Helmut photographed women 679 00:49:11,209 --> 00:49:13,820 as leni riefenstahl would've photographed men. 680 00:49:13,863 --> 00:49:16,823 There was something powerful and beautiful 681 00:49:16,866 --> 00:49:20,348 and frightening and also repellent 682 00:49:20,392 --> 00:49:22,568 and, you know, and I'm sure 683 00:49:22,611 --> 00:49:24,918 you could read that in his photo. 684 00:49:28,095 --> 00:49:30,184 You see that there is a German thing, 685 00:49:30,228 --> 00:49:33,666 you see this research the Nazi promoted 686 00:49:33,709 --> 00:49:36,930 about the beauty of the white 687 00:49:36,974 --> 00:49:38,976 or the perfection of the body, 688 00:49:39,019 --> 00:49:42,283 the inferiority of a race compared to another race. 689 00:49:42,327 --> 00:49:45,025 You feel hints to this, 690 00:49:45,069 --> 00:49:48,333 and--and the--and you still-- 691 00:49:48,376 --> 00:49:51,205 and you still feel that he's working, 692 00:49:51,249 --> 00:49:55,993 that in his brain,helmut is working out all this. 693 00:50:01,041 --> 00:50:05,219 People have accused me of, evennow, having a certain influence, 694 00:50:05,263 --> 00:50:07,047 and I say, "well, it's natural." 695 00:50:07,091 --> 00:50:09,528 You grow up with it. 696 00:50:09,571 --> 00:50:11,921 I mean, you also grew up with the knowledge 697 00:50:11,965 --> 00:50:14,185 that the Nazis would come and put you in-- 698 00:50:14,228 --> 00:50:18,058 you cut across a road, if you cross at a red light, 699 00:50:18,102 --> 00:50:21,540 it's likely that you'll end up in a concentration camp. 700 00:50:21,583 --> 00:50:24,847 I mean, it was a scary time. 701 00:50:24,891 --> 00:50:27,415 But, you know, kids are different. 702 00:50:27,459 --> 00:50:31,811 Kids seem to have a strength. 703 00:50:31,854 --> 00:50:33,421 We knew it was dangerous. 704 00:50:33,465 --> 00:50:38,078 You know, there were the nuremberg laws about not-- 705 00:50:38,122 --> 00:50:40,820 you had to have Jewish girlfriends 706 00:50:40,863 --> 00:50:44,041 and you weren't supposed to be with what they called Aryan. 707 00:50:44,084 --> 00:50:47,566 So, it was all a strange time. 708 00:51:16,769 --> 00:51:18,771 One thing I'll never forget, 709 00:51:18,814 --> 00:51:23,123 I went out with a girl to where the barrier was, 710 00:51:23,167 --> 00:51:24,907 and I hung onto the barrier 711 00:51:24,951 --> 00:51:27,171 and I undressed her underwater, 712 00:51:27,214 --> 00:51:29,173 and I was thrown out of the-- 713 00:51:29,216 --> 00:51:32,785 out of the pool. 714 00:51:32,828 --> 00:51:35,570 There's always, you know, a guy comes, 715 00:51:35,614 --> 00:51:39,313 like a lifesaver comes by and watched this girl, 716 00:51:39,357 --> 00:51:42,751 I was thrown out and I was forbidden to come back. 717 00:51:42,795 --> 00:51:44,840 And then, of course, they had signs, 718 00:51:44,884 --> 00:51:47,147 "Jews and dogs not allowed," 719 00:51:47,191 --> 00:51:49,628 but that didn't stop me because I liked swimming 720 00:51:49,671 --> 00:51:51,804 with my friends and my girlfriends. 721 00:51:51,847 --> 00:51:54,763 I did a lot of photographs of my friends. 722 00:51:54,807 --> 00:51:58,202 I tried to do fashion pictures, 723 00:51:58,245 --> 00:52:00,291 like what I saw in vogue. 724 00:52:00,334 --> 00:52:03,468 Then I wanted to become a rasender reporter. 725 00:52:43,638 --> 00:52:44,900 I learned everything. 726 00:52:44,944 --> 00:52:47,207 The craft, I was an apprentice, 727 00:52:47,251 --> 00:52:48,556 a true apprentice. 728 00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,124 I learned how to negative retouch, 729 00:52:51,168 --> 00:52:54,258 I learned how to light in the studio. 730 00:52:54,301 --> 00:52:58,479 You know, I learned to respect a piece of film. 731 00:52:58,523 --> 00:53:00,699 That was a very happy time. 732 00:53:00,742 --> 00:53:04,268 Two years, the woman was wonderful, wonderful. 733 00:53:04,311 --> 00:53:06,922 I worshiped the ground she tread on. 734 00:53:23,591 --> 00:53:27,247 I ran in the day and I tried to hide at night, 735 00:53:27,291 --> 00:53:30,119 but some people were very kind to me, 736 00:53:30,163 --> 00:53:35,124 and some of the kind people were party members 737 00:53:35,168 --> 00:53:37,562 that really stucktheir neck out, their necks out, 738 00:53:37,605 --> 00:53:39,520 and there were people that were-- 739 00:53:39,564 --> 00:53:42,741 their cellars were filled with Jews. 740 00:53:47,180 --> 00:53:49,269 But... 741 00:53:49,313 --> 00:53:51,532 How many good Germans were there? 742 00:53:51,576 --> 00:53:53,708 Like, every German would say, you know, 743 00:53:53,752 --> 00:53:55,536 there were 60 million Germans, 744 00:53:55,580 --> 00:53:57,408 and everyone says, "I know a nice Jew." 745 00:53:57,451 --> 00:53:59,279 There must've been 60 million nice Jews, 746 00:53:59,323 --> 00:54:01,020 but they got rid of them anyway. 747 00:54:01,063 --> 00:54:04,502 That is not all those nice Jews. 748 00:54:21,649 --> 00:54:25,436 I left on 5th of December, 1938, 749 00:54:25,479 --> 00:54:27,438 for trieste, 750 00:54:27,481 --> 00:54:30,615 to catch a ship to China. 751 00:54:30,658 --> 00:54:33,574 It was--i can remember the name of the ship, 752 00:54:33,618 --> 00:54:38,579 was called the conte rosso, Lloyd triestino's ship. 753 00:54:38,623 --> 00:54:40,277 I never made it to China. 754 00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,280 I got hung up in Singapore. 755 00:54:43,323 --> 00:54:45,369 I was at the straits times, 756 00:54:45,412 --> 00:54:47,806 and I was such a bad reporter 757 00:54:47,849 --> 00:54:50,199 that I got thrown out after two weeks. 758 00:54:50,243 --> 00:54:52,550 On the street without a penny. 759 00:54:52,593 --> 00:54:54,421 I was too slow. 760 00:54:54,465 --> 00:54:57,119 By the time I had my little rolleicord set, 761 00:54:57,163 --> 00:55:00,688 everything had fizzled, the event had gone. 762 00:55:54,742 --> 00:55:56,614 Yes, it was, um... 763 00:55:58,485 --> 00:56:01,183 I walked into his studio, 764 00:56:01,227 --> 00:56:07,102 and I was sitting in his little front waiting room, 765 00:56:07,146 --> 00:56:09,496 I suppose you'd call it, 766 00:56:09,540 --> 00:56:14,414 and I was looking at the pictures on the wall 767 00:56:14,458 --> 00:56:16,416 that were absolutely wonderful. 768 00:56:16,460 --> 00:56:19,201 Things I'd never seen before in Australia. 769 00:56:19,245 --> 00:56:23,031 And all of a sudden, I thought,"this man must be very old." 770 00:56:23,075 --> 00:56:25,207 I thought he was a very old man, 771 00:56:25,251 --> 00:56:27,079 and then the door opened and in walked 772 00:56:27,122 --> 00:56:32,650 this marvelous-looking, wonderful, bright-looking man, 773 00:56:32,693 --> 00:56:35,000 and that was the first time I met him. 774 00:56:43,269 --> 00:56:45,837 I did indeed do a little modeling 775 00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,535 for a knitting book called the new idea. 776 00:56:48,579 --> 00:56:51,233 I never got paid, he never paid me anything, 777 00:56:51,277 --> 00:56:54,323 but he married me instead, or I married him instead. 778 00:56:54,367 --> 00:56:56,238 June had a lot of authority. 779 00:56:56,282 --> 00:56:57,501 She ran the set, 780 00:56:57,544 --> 00:56:59,590 and Helmut seemed like a little boy 781 00:56:59,633 --> 00:57:01,330 that was playing with his toys, 782 00:57:01,374 --> 00:57:03,768 and she gave him the toys to play with. 783 00:57:03,811 --> 00:57:05,944 So she had more authority than Helmut, 784 00:57:05,987 --> 00:57:07,511 and Helmut was very comical. 785 00:57:07,554 --> 00:57:10,296 He was laughing, he was playful. 786 00:57:10,339 --> 00:57:12,124 So actually, after I worked with him, 787 00:57:12,167 --> 00:57:14,779 I started to see the lightness in his photo. 788 00:57:14,822 --> 00:57:16,650 The photos were frightening, 789 00:57:16,694 --> 00:57:19,000 but there was all a sense of humor about it. 790 00:57:19,044 --> 00:57:21,481 So we had a lot of fun at the hotel Raphael 791 00:57:21,525 --> 00:57:23,875 doing the second shoot where he made me quite sexy. 792 00:57:23,918 --> 00:57:26,443 I remember, there's a photo of me with-- 793 00:57:26,486 --> 00:57:29,881 I mean, I'm not nude, but my legs are naked, 794 00:57:29,924 --> 00:57:33,145 I have a very big decollete, and I look like 795 00:57:33,188 --> 00:57:35,930 a high-class girl from madame Claude 796 00:57:35,974 --> 00:57:39,543 or something like that, who hadthe biggest brothel in Paris. 797 00:58:12,358 --> 00:58:14,752 There's an old rolleiflex. 798 00:58:14,795 --> 00:58:16,841 There. 799 00:58:16,884 --> 00:58:18,712 There's Erich von Stroheim, 800 00:58:18,756 --> 00:58:21,541 my hero, one of my heroes. 801 00:58:21,585 --> 00:58:23,108 There's... 802 00:58:27,982 --> 00:58:29,767 The young virgin. 803 00:58:53,573 --> 00:58:56,228 Your left hand more to the other hand. 804 00:58:56,271 --> 00:58:57,359 No, no, just-- 805 00:58:57,403 --> 00:58:58,665 there, that's it! 806 00:58:58,709 --> 00:59:01,799 Beautiful, stay there, Larissa, stay. 807 00:59:01,842 --> 00:59:03,365 Open the door a bit, Carla. 808 00:59:03,409 --> 00:59:04,236 That's good. 809 00:59:04,279 --> 00:59:05,411 Now, your head was down. 810 00:59:05,454 --> 00:59:06,804 Much better, Carla, before. 811 00:59:06,847 --> 00:59:08,719 Like this, stay. 812 00:59:13,419 --> 00:59:17,162 Another $10,000 813 00:59:17,205 --> 00:59:19,991 to buy more diamonds for my junie. 814 00:59:28,042 --> 00:59:30,044 I think they were everything together. 815 00:59:30,088 --> 00:59:34,527 I mean, this is the dream of every couple in life, no? 816 00:59:34,571 --> 00:59:37,225 To have met your perfect person 817 00:59:37,269 --> 00:59:39,793 that you respect, you can work with, 818 00:59:39,837 --> 00:59:41,926 build something together. 819 00:59:41,969 --> 00:59:43,536 This is wonderful, 820 00:59:43,580 --> 00:59:45,756 and even when they had difficult times, 821 00:59:45,799 --> 00:59:47,671 as we all know, you know, 822 00:59:47,714 --> 00:59:51,196 when June was doing her little revenges on him 823 00:59:51,239 --> 00:59:54,155 or little, you know, like every couple. 824 00:59:54,199 --> 00:59:56,070 She was in hotel in Paris, 825 00:59:56,114 --> 00:59:58,246 and he was downstairs waiting for her 826 00:59:58,290 --> 00:59:59,857 I think a couple of days. 827 01:00:01,206 --> 01:00:02,468 Now the pants have had it. 828 01:00:02,511 --> 01:00:03,643 Now they've had it. 829 01:00:03,687 --> 01:00:04,775 -Look. -Show me. 830 01:00:04,818 --> 01:00:05,819 Show me, show me. 831 01:00:05,863 --> 01:00:07,429 Wait, wait, wait. 832 01:00:07,473 --> 01:00:09,083 Wait, wait, wait, I want to see them, 833 01:00:09,127 --> 01:00:11,259 how far they've had-- yeah, they've had it. 834 01:00:11,303 --> 01:00:14,611 Ah, helmy! 835 01:00:14,654 --> 01:00:15,829 Oh well. 836 01:00:15,873 --> 01:00:17,657 How long have you had them, hel? 837 01:00:17,701 --> 01:00:19,354 Oh, I don't know offhand. 838 01:00:19,398 --> 01:00:21,661 They look as if you've had them for a long time. 839 01:00:21,705 --> 01:00:23,228 -Perry Ellis. -You got them 840 01:00:23,271 --> 01:00:25,186 in carnaby street, I think, in the '70s. 841 01:00:25,230 --> 01:00:29,190 No, no, no, I got them at Robinson's in Los Angeles. 842 01:00:29,234 --> 01:00:32,280 What, in--in 1980? 843 01:00:34,369 --> 01:00:36,937 How old would you say the sweater is? 844 01:00:38,591 --> 01:00:41,376 Let's have a look at the sweater, helmy. 845 01:00:41,420 --> 01:00:43,030 No, let's have a look at it. 846 01:00:43,074 --> 01:00:44,684 Here, that's it. 847 01:00:44,728 --> 01:00:46,947 Especially the bottom of it, that's right. 848 01:00:46,991 --> 01:00:48,862 Wait a minute, I'll get your legs. 849 01:00:48,906 --> 01:00:50,647 Yeah. 850 01:00:50,690 --> 01:00:53,171 Yeah, how long do you think you're gonna keep 851 01:00:53,214 --> 01:00:54,825 the sweater for? 852 01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:01,309 -It's your beach sweater. -Pure cashmere. 853 01:01:01,353 --> 01:01:03,268 It's not, it's just lamb's wool. 854 01:01:03,311 --> 01:01:05,357 That is not. The other one is lamb's wool. 855 01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:06,575 This is pure cashmere. 856 01:01:06,619 --> 01:01:07,925 That is lamb's wool, helmy. 857 01:01:07,968 --> 01:01:09,448 You don't know the difference 858 01:01:09,491 --> 01:01:10,405 between lamb's wool and cashmere. 859 01:01:10,449 --> 01:01:11,755 Wanna feel it? Feel it. 860 01:01:11,798 --> 01:01:14,714 I can feel it, it's cashmere. 861 01:01:14,758 --> 01:01:16,629 Why are you always right? 862 01:02:45,674 --> 01:02:48,982 I think, for a moment, Helmut regretted it. 863 01:02:49,026 --> 01:02:52,333 I think it was when Karl said, 864 01:02:52,377 --> 01:02:54,858 "Helmut, it's very wonderful, 865 01:02:54,901 --> 01:02:56,424 but are you sure? 866 01:02:56,468 --> 01:02:59,297 It's very courageous of you, but are you sure?" 867 01:02:59,340 --> 01:03:01,865 And Helmut wasn't sure for a moment, 868 01:03:01,908 --> 01:03:05,999 but we've both relaxed into it. 869 01:03:06,043 --> 01:03:08,480 I mean, I think it's marvelous 870 01:03:08,523 --> 01:03:11,875 that they just haven't been stuck in an album. 871 01:03:31,068 --> 01:03:32,678 June? 872 01:03:32,721 --> 01:03:34,985 There is love between us, but I don't think it-- 873 01:03:35,028 --> 01:03:37,509 if it shows in the pictures, all the better, 874 01:03:37,552 --> 01:03:38,858 but there is love. 875 01:03:38,902 --> 01:03:40,468 There's a lot of love in the pictures 876 01:03:40,512 --> 01:03:42,906 that he took of me in the hospital 877 01:03:42,949 --> 01:03:45,734 because the only way he could see me in hospital 878 01:03:45,778 --> 01:03:49,173 was to have the camera between the two of us 879 01:03:49,216 --> 01:03:51,871 so that when he came in after the operation, 880 01:03:51,915 --> 01:03:54,526 you'll see those pictures out there, 881 01:03:54,569 --> 01:03:58,704 he said, "junie, throw the bedsheet away," 882 01:03:58,747 --> 01:04:01,054 and I said, "I can't, I haven't the strength. 883 01:04:01,098 --> 01:04:04,318 I can't throw anything away," and he said, "just--" 884 01:04:04,362 --> 01:04:07,060 and he had no idea what he was going to see, 885 01:04:07,104 --> 01:04:11,412 and I pulled it off very slowly, 886 01:04:11,456 --> 01:04:13,980 and I thought he was gonna faint, 887 01:04:14,024 --> 01:04:17,201 but he didn't only because he already had the camera 888 01:04:17,244 --> 01:04:22,815 in front of his eyesand was able to start clicking. 889 01:04:22,859 --> 01:04:25,252 So, of course there's love. 890 01:05:02,986 --> 01:05:05,814 That's how he copes with all the operations 891 01:05:05,858 --> 01:05:07,251 that he goes through, 892 01:05:07,294 --> 01:05:11,908 and especially if these heart attacks 893 01:05:11,951 --> 01:05:14,084 that he's had, and I think they're over now, 894 01:05:14,127 --> 01:05:17,957 but the only thing that kept him going 895 01:05:18,001 --> 01:05:21,178 was the little camera that was by his side 896 01:05:21,221 --> 01:05:23,006 to photograph the nurses and the doctors 897 01:05:23,049 --> 01:05:25,312 and everything that was happening to him. 898 01:05:25,356 --> 01:05:28,750 He even took it into the operating room, 899 01:05:28,794 --> 01:05:31,144 and as he was wheeled by, I was sitting, waiting, 900 01:05:31,188 --> 01:05:33,842 in the alley, wherever it was, 901 01:05:33,886 --> 01:05:35,714 and they wheeled him by, and the nurse said, 902 01:05:35,757 --> 01:05:37,150 one nurse said to the other, 903 01:05:37,194 --> 01:05:39,152 "what is he gonna do with a camera?" 904 01:05:39,196 --> 01:05:40,893 And the other one said, "he thinks 905 01:05:40,937 --> 01:05:42,634 he's gonna photograph himself." 906 01:05:42,677 --> 01:05:45,985 And they rolled with laughter as they wheeled him past. 907 01:05:46,029 --> 01:05:48,074 Yes, it is a protection. 908 01:05:58,171 --> 01:06:00,869 No, sweetheart, they're in your suitcase in Berlin. 909 01:06:00,913 --> 01:06:01,870 They're not. 910 01:06:03,568 --> 01:06:05,178 Do you like the picture, hel? 911 01:06:05,222 --> 01:06:07,137 I love the picture. 912 01:06:07,180 --> 01:06:09,139 I think it's amazing. 913 01:06:13,056 --> 01:06:15,014 I love the look on the girl's face, 914 01:06:15,058 --> 01:06:17,364 the false breasts and all that. 915 01:06:37,689 --> 01:06:41,736 She was so influential in everything that he did. 916 01:06:41,780 --> 01:06:44,304 I mean, women were always the driving force 917 01:06:44,348 --> 01:06:46,045 in any of his photographs, 918 01:06:46,089 --> 01:06:48,439 but I think in terms of being a muse 919 01:06:48,482 --> 01:06:51,137 or being someone whose counsel and advice and opinion 920 01:06:51,181 --> 01:06:54,401 he always sought, it was always June. 921 01:06:54,445 --> 01:06:56,012 He needed his mother. 922 01:07:16,119 --> 01:07:18,034 You're gonna see more night pictures now 923 01:07:18,077 --> 01:07:20,166 because I love night, it's my-- 924 01:07:20,210 --> 01:07:23,648 the influence of brassaiï that's still coming through 925 01:07:23,691 --> 01:07:26,868 even after all those years. 926 01:07:26,912 --> 01:07:32,744 It's--the night has a special mystery for me, 927 01:07:32,787 --> 01:07:35,877 and he was-- he was a great master. 928 01:07:35,921 --> 01:07:38,445 Of the night, I'm not bad. 929 01:08:48,733 --> 01:08:50,430 It was just him and me. 930 01:08:50,474 --> 01:08:53,216 He didn't tell anything about what he wanted. 931 01:08:53,259 --> 01:08:56,697 I just look at his eyes and I knew what he wanted, 932 01:08:56,741 --> 01:09:00,310 and it was--we had this connection so special 933 01:09:00,353 --> 01:09:03,139 that you could touch the atmosphere. 934 01:09:03,182 --> 01:09:04,879 It was so, ah! 935 01:09:12,104 --> 01:09:13,758 With other photographers, you know, 936 01:09:13,801 --> 01:09:16,239 when you are young and not so bad, you know, 937 01:09:16,282 --> 01:09:19,242 they try to, you know, but with him, it's like, 938 01:09:19,285 --> 01:09:20,982 it was so much respect. 939 01:09:21,026 --> 01:09:23,768 There was never a mention about the-- 940 01:09:23,811 --> 01:09:25,726 he's trying to, you know... 941 01:09:25,770 --> 01:09:27,598 It was--i had so much respect. 942 01:09:27,641 --> 01:09:30,644 It's not like a father, but like a... 943 01:09:30,688 --> 01:09:33,604 It's very difficult to say. 944 01:09:33,647 --> 01:09:35,649 I felt--i felt good. 945 01:09:35,693 --> 01:09:37,347 I felt safe. 946 01:09:41,699 --> 01:09:43,135 It was like, I don't know, 947 01:09:43,179 --> 01:09:45,659 doing a cinema, the story, you know, 948 01:09:45,703 --> 01:09:50,882 and he made me feel like a one-million-dollar baby. 949 01:09:50,925 --> 01:09:53,232 And the feeling that Helmut gave me 950 01:09:53,276 --> 01:09:55,060 when he was photographing 951 01:09:55,103 --> 01:09:57,497 is huge power. 952 01:09:57,541 --> 01:09:59,891 So when I was with furs and jewels 953 01:09:59,934 --> 01:10:02,981 and hair and lipstick and nails, 954 01:10:03,024 --> 01:10:07,115 it's just--you go into a-- you go into a character, 955 01:10:07,159 --> 01:10:09,292 you know, like, he'd like to have all the nails 956 01:10:09,335 --> 01:10:12,643 and the nails on skin and all that sort of stuff going on 957 01:10:12,686 --> 01:10:14,210 because he's penetrating, 958 01:10:14,253 --> 01:10:16,124 he's actually getting inside you. 959 01:10:16,168 --> 01:10:18,388 He's getting inside the part of you 960 01:10:18,431 --> 01:10:21,260 that's really interesting and bringing it out. 961 01:13:06,512 --> 01:13:08,732 This is just a very favorite picture, 962 01:13:08,775 --> 01:13:11,822 but it has a lot of reference to my life. 963 01:13:11,865 --> 01:13:14,259 It's photographed in the vogue studios in Paris 964 01:13:14,302 --> 01:13:16,696 where I spent years and years and years, 965 01:13:16,740 --> 01:13:18,611 and then June dropped in. 966 01:13:18,655 --> 01:13:21,527 We were gonna have lunch at the cantine together, 967 01:13:21,571 --> 01:13:23,529 and I hadn't finished, she just sat down. 968 01:13:23,573 --> 01:13:26,140 She didn't even know that she was in the frame 969 01:13:26,184 --> 01:13:27,403 of my picture. 970 01:13:27,446 --> 01:13:29,056 She had no idea. 971 01:13:29,100 --> 01:13:32,277 And the whole sheet, context, it's very interesting, 972 01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:35,672 is June's different expressions 973 01:13:35,715 --> 01:13:37,369 while I was taking these pictures. 974 01:14:18,889 --> 01:14:22,066 He was fortunate to be working at the time 975 01:14:22,109 --> 01:14:24,285 when designers like yves Saint-Laurent 976 01:14:24,329 --> 01:14:27,419 and Karl lagerfeld were really at their height, 977 01:14:27,463 --> 01:14:30,640 and they were dressing and giving the designs 978 01:14:30,683 --> 01:14:33,556 of that time were very much a Helmut Newton woman, 979 01:14:33,599 --> 01:14:36,428 and it all sort of came togetherat the right moment. 980 01:15:57,857 --> 01:16:00,947 We could be shameless, famous 981 01:16:00,991 --> 01:16:03,254 running cool 982 01:16:03,297 --> 01:16:07,780 with a love that leaves us weightless, ooh 983 01:16:07,824 --> 01:16:12,524 drop dead gorgeous, wow, ooh 984 01:16:12,568 --> 01:16:15,832 you got me feeling star-struck too 985 01:16:17,660 --> 01:16:21,925 for me, there is a kind of what I call modernity 986 01:16:21,968 --> 01:16:24,492 about certain women at a certain time. 987 01:16:24,536 --> 01:16:28,496 It means I would choose today a girl 988 01:16:28,540 --> 01:16:30,629 that would be entirely different from a girl 989 01:16:30,673 --> 01:16:34,154 that I would've chosen, let's say, six years ago. 990 01:16:34,198 --> 01:16:36,548 My idea has changed 991 01:16:36,592 --> 01:16:42,336 with the change in what goes on around us. 992 01:16:42,380 --> 01:16:46,036 I never know the type of girl that I want until I see her. 993 01:16:46,079 --> 01:16:48,821 I know the kind of photograph that I want to take. 994 01:16:48,865 --> 01:16:52,303 It's in the back of my mind, it's a little bit vague, 995 01:16:52,346 --> 01:16:54,653 like the idea of the girl is vague. 996 01:16:54,697 --> 01:16:57,917 I always say, "I know the girl when I see her." 997 01:16:57,961 --> 01:17:00,311 And most of the girls that I've found, 998 01:17:00,354 --> 01:17:01,878 they're generally beginners, 999 01:17:01,921 --> 01:17:05,142 and they have been found through go-sees. 1000 01:17:08,145 --> 01:17:09,799 I'm always nice to the girls 1001 01:17:09,842 --> 01:17:11,583 because you ask them to come. 1002 01:17:11,627 --> 01:17:14,238 The least you can do is look at the book 1003 01:17:14,281 --> 01:17:15,979 and say something nice. 1004 01:17:16,022 --> 01:17:18,590 I'm not gonna say, "you look like hell," 1005 01:17:18,634 --> 01:17:20,853 you know, "you're like the back end of a bus," 1006 01:17:20,897 --> 01:17:22,855 or "your ass is too big," or something. 1007 01:17:22,899 --> 01:17:28,034 I can't do that, even if she has an ass that's too big. 1008 01:17:28,078 --> 01:17:30,776 Some of them sell themselves really, really, really hard, 1009 01:17:30,820 --> 01:17:34,040 you know, especially American girls are very forward 1010 01:17:34,084 --> 01:17:36,390 and very on a hard sell. 1011 01:17:36,434 --> 01:17:38,305 What happened in Milan, which was funny, 1012 01:17:38,349 --> 01:17:41,395 we had a big go-see, like the one we're gonna have here, 1013 01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:44,572 we're having here, and I mentioned something 1014 01:17:44,616 --> 01:17:47,140 about that I need-- all the girls were in the room 1015 01:17:47,184 --> 01:17:49,490 and I mentioned to one girl that I needed, 1016 01:17:49,534 --> 01:17:52,798 I was looking for a girl with a lot of bosom, 1017 01:17:52,842 --> 01:17:55,714 and everything was finished, everybody had gone, 1018 01:17:55,758 --> 01:17:58,674 and the door opens, and a girl came back and she said, 1019 01:17:58,717 --> 01:18:01,111 "I just wanted to show you I've got a lot of bosom." 1020 01:18:01,154 --> 01:18:02,765 And she opened up her shirt. 1021 01:18:02,808 --> 01:18:05,855 Of course, that's a hard sell. 1022 01:18:05,898 --> 01:18:08,771 If Helmut asks to see you, 1023 01:18:08,814 --> 01:18:10,773 your career is made. 1024 01:18:10,816 --> 01:18:12,165 That's it. 1025 01:18:12,209 --> 01:18:13,514 You're on top. 1026 01:18:13,558 --> 01:18:17,127 So you get very excited, very excited. 1027 01:18:17,170 --> 01:18:22,741 And when I went,when he said, he looked, "ah... 1028 01:18:22,785 --> 01:18:24,743 Your breasts are too small." 1029 01:18:27,572 --> 01:18:30,096 I know! 1030 01:18:30,140 --> 01:18:31,968 Okay, so, I went, 1031 01:18:32,011 --> 01:18:36,886 "oh, breasts are too small, okay." 1032 01:18:36,929 --> 01:18:38,844 So I left, of course, 1033 01:18:38,888 --> 01:18:41,804 feeling a bit, you know, that whole buildup to, 1034 01:18:41,847 --> 01:18:44,284 "oh, it's Helmut Newton, it's Helmut Newton." 1035 01:18:44,328 --> 01:18:47,723 It's god!You know, it's god calling you. 1036 01:18:47,766 --> 01:18:51,770 And then, I thought, "okay,he's not going to call me back." 1037 01:18:51,814 --> 01:18:54,773 Helmut kept calling me back 1038 01:18:54,817 --> 01:18:57,254 and he said, "I forgot! 1039 01:18:57,297 --> 01:18:59,125 You have small breasts!" 1040 01:19:00,474 --> 01:19:03,173 So it's such a crazy story. 1041 01:19:03,216 --> 01:19:05,566 Three times, four times, 1042 01:19:05,610 --> 01:19:08,178 because he really, I could tell, 1043 01:19:08,221 --> 01:19:10,876 he wanted to photograph me, 1044 01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:13,531 and finally, 1045 01:19:13,574 --> 01:19:15,359 we worked together. 1046 01:19:18,231 --> 01:19:21,669 Playboy wanted to do the shoot with dolph and I 1047 01:19:21,713 --> 01:19:25,108 because, you know, we had become this... 1048 01:19:25,151 --> 01:19:28,589 How do you say, almost like Elizabeth Taylor 1049 01:19:28,633 --> 01:19:31,984 and Richard Burton type of couple in Hollywood, you know. 1050 01:19:42,821 --> 01:19:44,388 I've been coming here every winter 1051 01:19:44,431 --> 01:19:46,738 from December till the end of march. 1052 01:19:46,782 --> 01:19:49,959 Love the climate, and then, the first time I came, 1053 01:19:50,002 --> 01:19:53,571 which I think was in '56 or '57 with June, 1054 01:19:53,614 --> 01:19:55,660 it was just, you know, 1055 01:19:55,703 --> 01:19:57,401 I felt I was in an American movie. 1056 01:19:57,444 --> 01:20:00,883 I love, I love Los Angeles, I love Hollywood. 1057 01:20:00,926 --> 01:20:03,668 Wish I was a millionaire 1058 01:20:03,711 --> 01:20:07,498 I'd play rock music and grow long hair 1059 01:20:07,541 --> 01:20:09,500 I'll tell you, boys 1060 01:20:10,893 --> 01:20:13,199 I'd buy a new Rolls-Royce 1061 01:20:15,941 --> 01:20:19,640 pretty women, they'd come to me 1062 01:20:19,684 --> 01:20:22,643 I'd give 'em all the third degree 1063 01:20:22,687 --> 01:20:26,386 I'd give 'em satin sheets 1064 01:20:26,430 --> 01:20:28,954 to keep 'em off the streets 1065 01:20:32,001 --> 01:20:33,916 great jehovah 1066 01:20:33,959 --> 01:20:35,918 my girlfriend, penny, I've known her, 1067 01:20:35,961 --> 01:20:39,008 now I think I've known her for four years or so. 1068 01:20:39,051 --> 01:20:40,923 I've been going there pumping petrol. 1069 01:20:40,966 --> 01:20:43,403 What struck me first about penny 1070 01:20:43,447 --> 01:20:45,318 was those fingernails 1071 01:20:45,362 --> 01:20:47,233 that I call California fingernails. 1072 01:20:47,277 --> 01:20:50,193 I mean, she's that nice, family lady, 1073 01:20:50,236 --> 01:20:53,413 and she pumps petrol, it's her own station, 1074 01:20:53,457 --> 01:20:55,938 and she's got these incredible fingernails. 1075 01:20:55,981 --> 01:20:58,505 -All filled. -Thank you, penny. 1076 01:20:58,549 --> 01:21:00,203 -Thank you. -Have a lovely day. 1077 01:21:00,246 --> 01:21:02,031 -You too. -Isn't it gorgeous? 1078 01:21:02,074 --> 01:21:04,511 -Oh, it's beautiful. -What's the forecast? 1079 01:21:04,555 --> 01:21:06,600 -No rain in sight. -That's how we like it. 1080 01:21:06,644 --> 01:21:08,472 -All sunshine. -That's how we like it. 1081 01:21:08,515 --> 01:21:09,995 -Very good. -Bye-bye, dear. 1082 01:21:10,039 --> 01:21:12,955 -Bye-bye. -See you. 1083 01:21:12,998 --> 01:21:14,608 Helmut was completely aware, 1084 01:21:14,652 --> 01:21:16,872 he never locked himself away 1085 01:21:16,915 --> 01:21:19,396 the way some famous people do 1086 01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:21,485 as they achieve great recognition. 1087 01:21:21,528 --> 01:21:23,487 He was always very open to the world. 1088 01:21:23,530 --> 01:21:26,098 And yes, fashion might've changed and moved on 1089 01:21:26,142 --> 01:21:29,536 and we became aware of a new generation of designers, 1090 01:21:29,580 --> 01:21:32,409 but I feel that because he was such a brilliant photographer 1091 01:21:32,452 --> 01:21:35,194 and he had such a strong, intelligent point of view 1092 01:21:35,238 --> 01:21:39,242 with that amazing wit,his pictures remained the same. 1093 01:21:39,285 --> 01:21:41,984 Not that they were stuck, but the vision remained 1094 01:21:42,027 --> 01:21:44,551 totally identifiably Helmut. 1095 01:21:44,595 --> 01:21:46,814 The clothes could've changed, the girls changed, 1096 01:21:46,858 --> 01:21:49,339 but the actual image, you could look at any image 1097 01:21:49,382 --> 01:21:51,167 and say, "that's a Helmut Newton photograph," 1098 01:21:51,210 --> 01:21:52,777 and there aren't that many photographers 1099 01:21:52,820 --> 01:21:54,387 of which you can say that. 1100 01:22:05,572 --> 01:22:08,184 Want me to take my clothes off? 1101 01:22:12,928 --> 01:22:14,973 I've been living here for, I don't know, 1102 01:22:15,017 --> 01:22:18,194 25 or 26 years, every year I come here, 1103 01:22:18,237 --> 01:22:19,804 and I'm very fond of it. 1104 01:24:33,068 --> 01:24:34,373 Why should I think about it? 1105 01:24:34,417 --> 01:24:36,245 When it comes, it'll be too early 1106 01:24:36,288 --> 01:24:38,638 or it'll be too late, whatever. 1107 01:24:38,682 --> 01:24:40,379 There's nothing I can do about it. 1108 01:24:40,423 --> 01:24:42,338 I don't want to spend my time... 1109 01:24:42,381 --> 01:24:46,690 I believe in using my time to-- 1110 01:24:46,733 --> 01:24:49,345 with things that are more positive. 1111 01:24:49,388 --> 01:24:51,999 I don't think death, as far as I'm concerned, 1112 01:24:52,043 --> 01:24:53,958 is positive. 1113 01:24:54,001 --> 01:24:59,529 I've been looking so long at these pictures of you 1114 01:24:59,572 --> 01:25:03,533 that I almost believe that they're real 1115 01:25:05,317 --> 01:25:10,583 I've been living so long with my pictures of you 1116 01:25:10,627 --> 01:25:18,113 that I almost believe that the pictures are all I can feel 1117 01:25:18,156 --> 01:25:20,071 can't pinpoint even one thing 1118 01:25:20,115 --> 01:25:22,247 if you've lived through-- if you've lived through that-- 1119 01:25:22,291 --> 01:25:25,294 if you lived through those times, can you? 1120 01:25:25,337 --> 01:25:26,730 I mean, you're just... 1121 01:25:28,384 --> 01:25:30,212 You survive or you don't. 1122 01:25:30,255 --> 01:25:32,214 He survived and gave us beautiful work. 1123 01:25:32,257 --> 01:25:33,911 Maybe it's, you know, inspired 1124 01:25:33,954 --> 01:25:35,956 by all sorts of things that happened or he's seen, 1125 01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:39,177 then he returns and redoes other things. 1126 01:25:39,221 --> 01:25:42,137 I'm sure, and thank goodness. 1127 01:25:42,180 --> 01:25:44,443 So when people say, "it shouldn't be seen," 1128 01:25:44,487 --> 01:25:47,316 and all that, it's a travesty 1129 01:25:47,359 --> 01:25:50,232 because what we do with memory 1130 01:25:50,275 --> 01:25:53,278 and what we do with, um, all the things 1131 01:25:53,322 --> 01:25:55,062 that we actually deny, 1132 01:25:55,106 --> 01:25:57,108 and when we go into denial about things, 1133 01:25:57,152 --> 01:26:01,765 it's because they're too heavyto actually take on at the time, 1134 01:26:01,808 --> 01:26:04,855 and they come up through ourselves much later on 1135 01:26:04,898 --> 01:26:08,206 and very often turn into extraordinary form of art. 1136 01:26:08,250 --> 01:26:11,340 Not art for-- not art for Helmut. 1137 01:26:11,383 --> 01:26:13,646 Extraordinary creations. 1138 01:26:13,690 --> 01:26:15,213 What does he want us to say? 1139 01:26:15,257 --> 01:26:17,694 Extraordinary work, all right. 1140 01:26:48,899 --> 01:26:52,294 World-famous photographer Helmut Newton died today 1141 01:26:52,337 --> 01:26:55,210 in a car crash in West Hollywood. 1142 01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:18,233 You've done it all 1143 01:27:18,276 --> 01:27:22,498 you've broken every code 1144 01:27:22,541 --> 01:27:27,503 and pulled the rebel to the floor 1145 01:27:29,374 --> 01:27:31,898 you spoilt the game 1146 01:27:31,942 --> 01:27:36,207 no matter what you say 1147 01:27:36,251 --> 01:27:41,386 for only metal, what a bore 1148 01:27:43,301 --> 01:27:46,565 blue eyes, blue eyes 1149 01:27:46,609 --> 01:27:52,005 how come you tell so many lies? 1150 01:27:53,442 --> 01:27:59,926 Come up and see me, make me smile 1151 01:27:59,970 --> 01:28:06,150 or do what you want, runnin' wild 1152 01:28:16,291 --> 01:28:21,948 There's nothing left, all gone and run away 1153 01:28:23,428 --> 01:28:28,085 maybe you'll tarry for a while 1154 01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:35,310 it's just a test, a game for us to play 1155 01:28:37,181 --> 01:28:41,707 win or lose, it's hard to smile 1156 01:28:43,622 --> 01:28:47,104 resist, resist 1157 01:28:47,147 --> 01:28:52,457 it's from yourself you have to hide 1158 01:28:52,501 --> 01:28:59,421 oh, come up and see me, to make me smile 1159 01:28:59,464 --> 01:29:06,602 oh, or do what you want, runnin' wild 85953

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