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Well, I often ask girls
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in this situation
that they describe the body,
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their body, because mostly,
they're very honest about it.
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So you do that--
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breasts, legs, everything.
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He loves big women.
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Statues, paintings,
sculptures, live ones.
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Especially live ones,
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because he can
manipulate them.
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He can control every muscle
in their bodies.
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There's a kindness
in your look,
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which is the last thing I want.
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Keep the head straight on to me,the chin down.
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What is important...
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It hasn't got--
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hasn't got any guts yet,
you know?
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Now, don't look
poverty stricken,
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look incredible.
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There.
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First of all,
most photographers are
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terribly boring people.
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And the films of photographers
that I've seen
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are terribly boring
because, uh,
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they show a guy
behind a camera,
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they show his back,
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they show the camera,
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and you hear
the click-click-click
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of the shutter
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and the dumb talk that goes on
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between a model or a sitter
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and the photographer.
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World-famous photographer
Helmut Newton died today
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in a car crash
in West Hollywood.
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You've done it all
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you've broken every code
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and pulled the rebel
to the floor
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you spoilt the game
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no matter what you say
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for only metal,
what a bore!
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Blue eyes, blue eyes
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how come you tell
so many lies?
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Come up and see me,
make me smile
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or do what you want,
running wild
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I'm not gonna
tell you all that!
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No way!
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No way.
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I gotta keep something
up my sleeve
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for people that have
more money than you.
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Ooh, ooh, la-la-la, ooh
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come up and see me,
make me smile
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or do what you want,
running wild
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that's it--that's it
right there, right there.
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I watched everything.
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I watched when
he waited for the light
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to come down
at a certain time,
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and then it would be
very quick, aggh!,
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and then get the picture,
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because the light is going,
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or the shadows that are
moving across are going,
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and he worked a lot
with the natural--
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with the natural light with me.
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And, you know, he had...
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He was a little bit pervert,
but so am I, so it's okay.
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And his pictures, you know,
they're erotic
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and also with dimensions,
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was just not erotic
but had suggestions in depths
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of a story,
they told stories.
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Like, you know, I remember
he put one knife in my hand,
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and it was beautifulwhere I'm laying naked on a cot
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and the light is coming across,you know?
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And it's funny,
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the shadow just covered
the part here.
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He wait till the shadow
just covered here
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so there was never vulgar,
never vulgar.
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Always in beautiful taste
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and not something
to take away from the story.
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It added to his story.
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I'm thinking, "what am I
doing with this knife?"
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And he waits until
the light comes
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and hits the knife,
so I'm holding it like this,
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but there's no one else
in the picture.
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So it leaves
to your imagination.
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You got my attention, baby
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now I can't make a move
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like a child
that's starved for love
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I'll stand there
as long as I have to
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sometimes when I do portraits
of people that have either
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political power
or financial power
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or sexual power,
it's, uh...
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They make pretty good subjects
for my camera.
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Mmm hmm
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I'm so in love with you, girl
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you make me feel brand new
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Baby, if you run away
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baby, if you leave
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so the first time
he photographed me
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was with David Lynch.
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David looking at me,
and I have my eyes closed,
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and David is holding my face
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as an artist
who's looking at an object
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and now telling the puppet
what she should do, you know?
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It was completely
on the idea of
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the director as the author
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and the actress as--
as the puppet that express--
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and in a certain way,
it's true,
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you express the idea
when you work with David Lynch
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or you work
with Helmut Newton.
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They're not photographing you,
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they're photographing an idea
that is in their heads
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and you are the vehicle.
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So you have to make
yourself available
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or say no.
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Ah, the poor thing.
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I could start crying
when I see her.
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I want you to--
to do this,
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and just look to the camera
like that, okay?
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Do it on your side.
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The feet together,
bit closer to the--
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go on, a bit more, a bit more,
a bit more.
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Now, with two hands--
that's right, that's right.
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Now, stick your bottom out
a bit.
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That--that's nice.
That's good!
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That's good,
the chin down a little bit.
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There! Like that,
the same thing now,
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with a smile.
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Yeah, yeah--perfect!
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Now I want you to not smile
but look dangerous, hm?
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Very vampy.
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That's good--that's perfect.
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Well, I think it was
the work of Helmut
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that gave one the courage,
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because if you were giving
an assignment to Helmut,
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you obviously
weren't gonna receive
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a pretty girl
on a lovely beach,
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that's just not
what he was about.
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I mean, you asked Helmut
to take on an assignment
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the way you would ask,
you know, an Irving penn
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for something that was
what Phyllis and I call
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"a stopper" in the magazine,
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something that people
would remember that was,
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hopefully, iconicand maybe sometimes disturbing,
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but certainly
thought-provoking.
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So we...Maybe you might
consider it brave,
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I personally considered it
necessary,
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because I think so much
of what we do
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when we work in fashion is
attractive and lovely
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and what Alex Liberman
would call
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"visions of loveliness."
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But to contrast
with all of that,
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I think you really do need
work that talks about
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the culture at large
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and is thought-provoking
and different
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and sometimes upsets people.
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Helmut loved chickens,
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he loved to photograph chickens.
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So I called him up
and I said--
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explained that we were doing
this article on fried chicken
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and would he be interested
in doing a picture.
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There was a very brief silence
and he said,
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"I've always
wanted to photograph
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a chicken wearing high heels."
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So, we got the heels
from the doll museum in Paris
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and sent them to Monte Carlo,
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and got off the plane,
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went straight
to his apartment
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to see what he wanted to do
and how he wanted to do it,
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and his assistant was there
waiting for me.
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We sent four pairs of shoes;
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he had chosen two.
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They were in a bag,
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and his assistant was waiting
to walk me up the hill
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to his butcher.
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He didn't blink,
he didn't flinch.
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He's in his
blood-covered apron,
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and he said,
"yes, of course,"
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and I tried the shoes
on every chicken in the case.
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And, um, I took the chicken
with the best legs
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and brought them back
to Helmut,
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and he shot that
in his kitchen.
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Yes, he did.
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He did, in the wonderful days
of faxes,
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and he wrote, "dear Anna,
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I want to thank you
for having the courage
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to publish my "chicken."
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Most gratifying to me.
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Look forward to
the readers' letters."
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He loved to hear
about the readers' letters.
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The worse they were,
the better.
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Um, "as kaiser Wilhelm ii said
in 1914:
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'More enemies, more honour!'
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love as ever from
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your favourite old naughty boy,helmut."
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When I take pictures,
somebody said,
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"Helmut is like a dog
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that's looking
for a place to pee.
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Before he takes a picture,
he goes around
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until he finds
a place to photograph."
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I've already
sniffed it out,
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I know where I'll go.
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I know where
I'm going to pee.
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"Everybody remembers
a bad picture.
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Nobody remembers the pain
that everybody went through
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to get a good picture."
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The pain is forgotten.
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But a bad picture
is never forgotten.
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So you might as well
have pain for everybody
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and get a good picture.
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Spread you--Eric,spread your fingers on her ass.
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That's it.
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There, I like that.
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Come and see me,
make me smile
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Eric, your lips
must be closed always.
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Turn your head more profile.
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That's it.
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He has to open and close
his lips to breathe.
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Oh yeah--well, tell him
he can breathe.
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Close your lips,
stay like that.
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Eric, if you get a hard-on,
all the better.
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You get more money.
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Beautiful.
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Spread your--Vanessa,
spread your fingers more.
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Good, beautiful.
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Eric, if you want to breathe,
you breathe.
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I love the hand on the cock.
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I'm gonna send that to Anna,
she's gonna have a fit!
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Cover of vogue magazine.
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When I first met him
when I was starting off
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in London,
and he was a great friend
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of one of the editors thati was working with at the time,
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Willie Landels,
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and he was this mythic figure
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and I was, you know,
just beginning,
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and there was
a shoot scheduled,
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and I was actually,
it was in--
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I think it was going to be
in California,
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and he had this idea about
putting covers on the cars
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and the girls would be
in the garage,
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two things that I think
he liked to do a lot.
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And I was so terrified
at the idea
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of having to work with him
that I lied
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and said I was sick.
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And I sent my assistant,
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because I was
too terrified at the idea
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of working
with the great Helmut Newton.
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Make it almost look natural.
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That it's a little bit more
than that, you know?
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Uh-huh...yeah.
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Look at me.
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Bring that, uh...
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-Coke?
-...That coke to you.
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Stop--stop.
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Stop. Yeah. Just--
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just the expression like that,
don't move now.
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Don't move.
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Hang on.
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I think, of course,
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a Helmut Newton woman
was very strong,
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she was provocative,
she was in charge.
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She was often tall,
she was often blonde.
262
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She had on strong lipstick.
263
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I mean, unrecog--unmistakably
a Helmut Newton woman.
264
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Helmut explained--
exposed a lot
265
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of the men feeling,
you know.
266
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I don't think his comment
was so much about the women
267
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as much as his own feeling.
268
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"I like you,
damn you.
269
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I like you, and why should,"
you know,
270
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"I shouldn't like you,
271
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because you are a weapon."
272
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I do consider myself a feminist.
273
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But I do consider that
the expression of machismo,
274
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it's an expression
of a culture.
275
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Now, Helmut, of course,
it wasn't just simply macho,
276
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it was more complicated
than that.
277
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But he does look at women
as a sexual object
278
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and also an attraction
and an anger toward her,
279
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and I think that's very macho.
280
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Men that are attracted
to women
281
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and then resent women
282
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because they are
attracted to them,
283
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so they make them vulnerable.
284
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That is intolerable.
285
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And then, there is that
"you are the devil," you know?
286
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But I think
it's very interesting
287
00:21:36,425 --> 00:21:38,427
because it reveals a culture,
288
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and if Helmut represented
partially that culture,
289
00:21:41,343 --> 00:21:43,302
why not?
I mean, it exists,
290
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and thank god artists
were able to express it.
291
00:21:47,088 --> 00:21:48,263
There is no neutrality,
292
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there is no right and wrong.
293
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Everything is tinted
with a point of view.
294
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It's the vision he has.
295
00:25:33,357 --> 00:25:34,968
And when you have
a vision creatively,
296
00:25:35,011 --> 00:25:36,578
you don't have to necessarily
live that vision,
297
00:25:36,622 --> 00:25:38,188
it doesn't have to be you.
298
00:25:38,232 --> 00:25:41,191
It's actually very--
usually very much not you.
299
00:25:41,235 --> 00:25:43,629
I mean, a lot of people thoughta lot of things about me
300
00:25:43,672 --> 00:25:45,369
after Night Porter
and other films.
301
00:25:45,413 --> 00:25:47,502
They couldn't be more wrong
about me as the person,
302
00:25:47,546 --> 00:25:48,721
but that doesn't matter.
303
00:25:48,764 --> 00:25:50,505
I couldn't care less what--
304
00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:51,985
I know what I am,
305
00:25:52,028 --> 00:25:54,640
but what you actually produce
as an art form
306
00:25:54,683 --> 00:25:57,556
like Helmut,
the visuals that we have,
307
00:25:57,599 --> 00:25:59,688
you could--you could
imagine all these things.
308
00:25:59,732 --> 00:26:00,776
And how great that is,
309
00:26:00,820 --> 00:26:02,299
that's what art needs to have.
310
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It needs to have
you coming in to imagine.
311
00:26:05,302 --> 00:26:06,652
And then,
immediately you say,
312
00:26:06,695 --> 00:26:08,828
"oh, but he's--but he's probably really weird,
313
00:26:08,871 --> 00:26:10,438
you know,
he's doing this and that,"
314
00:26:10,481 --> 00:26:12,092
and that always--
315
00:26:12,135 --> 00:26:15,138
that's only gonna sort of
fuel the whole thing more,
316
00:26:15,182 --> 00:26:16,662
which is good.
317
00:26:16,705 --> 00:26:19,186
I mean, it's great
to be a provocateur,
318
00:26:19,229 --> 00:26:21,014
that's what--
that's what the world needs
319
00:26:21,057 --> 00:26:22,668
is a form of provocation,
320
00:26:22,711 --> 00:26:24,234
'cause it stimulates thought
and it stimulates ideas
321
00:26:24,278 --> 00:26:26,193
and it stimulates
all sorts of, actually,
322
00:26:26,236 --> 00:26:30,632
conversations that don't
really have anything to do
323
00:26:30,676 --> 00:26:31,938
with the man himself--
324
00:26:31,981 --> 00:26:33,026
and who cares
with the man himself?
325
00:26:33,069 --> 00:26:34,723
We're looking at his art.
326
00:26:53,742 --> 00:26:57,659
I really wasn't aware
that it made such a
327
00:26:57,703 --> 00:26:59,008
big scandal.
328
00:26:59,052 --> 00:27:01,620
I know basically...
329
00:27:01,663 --> 00:27:03,578
I kind of heard
around a bit,
330
00:27:03,622 --> 00:27:08,191
oh, sexism and racism, and...
331
00:27:08,235 --> 00:27:12,239
But I don't--
I never felt that at all,
332
00:27:12,282 --> 00:27:13,544
you know?
333
00:27:13,588 --> 00:27:18,898
I mean, it's like,
again, acting in films.
334
00:27:18,941 --> 00:27:21,422
These things really did exist.
335
00:27:21,465 --> 00:27:22,684
Being in chains,
336
00:27:22,728 --> 00:27:24,512
I never saw it like that.
337
00:27:24,555 --> 00:27:26,732
Because, you know,
sometimes you can go through
338
00:27:26,775 --> 00:27:31,911
a period of experimenting,
even sexually, you know?
339
00:27:31,954 --> 00:27:34,478
I mean,
I've tied up guys before.
340
00:27:34,522 --> 00:27:35,784
White guys.
341
00:27:37,351 --> 00:27:38,918
Big white guys!
342
00:27:38,961 --> 00:27:43,400
I don't wanna say who,
but...
343
00:27:43,444 --> 00:27:47,187
I'm standing
in this empty truck,
344
00:27:47,230 --> 00:27:49,450
just standing,
like, very dominant,
345
00:27:49,493 --> 00:27:50,973
and dolph is standing down,
346
00:27:51,017 --> 00:27:53,802
and I'm just
looking down on him like this.
347
00:27:53,846 --> 00:27:57,588
I'm kind of getting
into Helmut's head, you know,
348
00:27:57,632 --> 00:28:01,549
and it's more of
the black-and-white,
349
00:28:01,592 --> 00:28:05,553
because--and, because,
you know,
350
00:28:05,596 --> 00:28:08,730
he had dolph kind of
looking like the worker
351
00:28:08,774 --> 00:28:11,385
behind the fence,
and he cannot get to me.
352
00:28:11,428 --> 00:28:16,042
So in a lot
of these pictures, it's...
353
00:28:16,085 --> 00:28:20,263
It's like he wants me
but I'm not available.
354
00:28:20,307 --> 00:28:23,484
I am so close
and in his face,
355
00:28:23,527 --> 00:28:26,835
but there's this distance still,you know?
356
00:28:26,879 --> 00:28:29,359
Until the one, of course,
where he's holding
357
00:28:29,403 --> 00:28:31,579
and I'm looking behind.
358
00:28:50,119 --> 00:28:55,385
I've been looking so long
at these pictures of you
359
00:28:55,429 --> 00:29:00,956
that I almost believe
that they're real
360
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:06,527
I've been living so long
with my pictures of you
361
00:29:06,570 --> 00:29:11,053
that I almost believe
that the pictures
362
00:29:11,097 --> 00:29:14,317
are all I can feel
363
00:31:27,450 --> 00:31:29,017
I'm often asked
if I'm jealous
364
00:31:29,061 --> 00:31:31,802
of the girls he photographs.
365
00:31:31,846 --> 00:31:33,065
It's a job.
366
00:31:33,108 --> 00:31:34,849
It's his livelihood.
367
00:31:34,893 --> 00:31:36,633
It's how he makes his living.
368
00:31:36,677 --> 00:31:37,939
That's right.
369
00:31:37,983 --> 00:31:39,593
It's more than a job.
370
00:31:39,636 --> 00:31:41,595
It's a passion.
371
00:31:41,638 --> 00:31:43,858
An obsession.
372
00:31:43,902 --> 00:31:45,512
He's obsessed.
373
00:31:45,555 --> 00:31:50,473
I never saw Helmut
as, like, the womanizer
374
00:31:50,517 --> 00:31:52,954
he would probably
come off to be
375
00:31:52,998 --> 00:31:54,651
from his pictures.
376
00:31:54,695 --> 00:31:56,871
This was not Helmut.
377
00:31:56,915 --> 00:31:58,960
But if you see his pictures,
378
00:31:59,004 --> 00:32:03,399
you would think this guy
is just like, "whoa!"
379
00:32:03,443 --> 00:32:06,402
"Yeah, come on, baby!"
380
00:32:06,446 --> 00:32:07,751
You know?
381
00:32:10,580 --> 00:32:15,672
You know,these are amazing fantasies and
382
00:32:15,716 --> 00:32:20,199
his beautiful,
creative mind, you know?
383
00:32:20,242 --> 00:32:23,724
And loving the beauty
of women,
384
00:32:23,767 --> 00:32:25,856
I saw that, you know?
385
00:32:37,042 --> 00:32:38,695
I got the contact sheet, yeah.
386
00:32:38,739 --> 00:32:41,307
It was at the time, also,
when it was as we were--
387
00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:42,917
it was almost like
we were sort of opening up
388
00:32:42,961 --> 00:32:45,964
at the same time,
you know,
389
00:32:46,007 --> 00:32:48,053
my way and his way,
390
00:32:48,096 --> 00:32:49,706
and we actually
came together there
391
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:51,404
and made these extraordinary
images very quickly.
392
00:32:51,447 --> 00:32:52,796
It was like--
393
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:54,842
there was a kind of magic there,
394
00:32:54,885 --> 00:32:57,062
a freedom of--we were
on the cusp of something
395
00:32:57,105 --> 00:32:59,107
and we were
about to launch,
396
00:32:59,151 --> 00:33:02,632
and so there was no--
there was--yeah.
397
00:33:02,676 --> 00:33:05,418
All the things later
sort of became different,
398
00:33:05,461 --> 00:33:06,897
but that was...
399
00:33:06,941 --> 00:33:09,117
There was a real beauty there,
yeah.
400
00:33:19,388 --> 00:33:23,653
Well, the ones that we didin nord pinus hotel, the nudes,
401
00:33:23,697 --> 00:33:26,526
I think they're some
of the most amazing photos
402
00:33:26,569 --> 00:33:28,223
of me, absolutely.
403
00:33:28,267 --> 00:33:29,964
And they are--
404
00:33:30,008 --> 00:33:31,618
because there's something
about the child in there.
405
00:33:31,661 --> 00:33:33,098
It's almost like the child
sort of not really wanting
406
00:33:33,141 --> 00:33:34,621
to reveal who she is,
407
00:33:34,664 --> 00:33:36,101
which is what I was
at that time.
408
00:33:36,144 --> 00:33:39,539
I was only about--
in my late 20s.
409
00:33:39,582 --> 00:33:44,326
And, um, there was something
rebellious about it, saying,
410
00:33:44,370 --> 00:33:45,980
"ohh, not too close,"
you know.
411
00:33:46,024 --> 00:33:47,286
"I'll do it on my terms.
412
00:33:47,329 --> 00:33:48,548
You do it on your terms,
I'll do it on my terms.
413
00:33:48,591 --> 00:33:50,158
You photograph me,
414
00:33:50,202 --> 00:33:52,682
but I'll do as I want
in this photo--as a model."
415
00:33:52,726 --> 00:33:54,032
Which I've always done,
416
00:33:54,075 --> 00:33:55,511
it's always been the way
I've actually worked
417
00:33:55,555 --> 00:33:58,079
in this business
is like that.
418
00:33:58,123 --> 00:33:59,472
So there was--
all that began,
419
00:33:59,515 --> 00:34:01,082
there was something very--
420
00:34:01,126 --> 00:34:03,084
there was something
very exciting in the--
421
00:34:03,128 --> 00:34:08,133
in the making of the image of--of myself.
422
00:34:08,176 --> 00:34:10,222
'Cause I'd never really
thought about it before.
423
00:34:10,265 --> 00:34:11,658
You know, now we think
about image all the time,
424
00:34:11,701 --> 00:34:13,007
all the time, but there,
425
00:34:13,051 --> 00:34:14,617
I hadn't really
thought about it.
426
00:34:14,661 --> 00:34:16,097
I was acting, I was doing theserather interesting films,
427
00:34:16,141 --> 00:34:17,925
I was...
428
00:34:17,968 --> 00:34:20,667
And suddenly, I was actually
seeing what an image can do
429
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:22,712
and how important it can be.
430
00:34:22,756 --> 00:34:24,627
And as it's--
if you start with an image
431
00:34:24,671 --> 00:34:26,934
like Helmut Newton did me
432
00:34:26,977 --> 00:34:30,242
in that hotel at that time
at the age I have,
433
00:34:30,285 --> 00:34:31,417
and you start out with that.
434
00:34:31,460 --> 00:34:33,158
I had just done Night Porter,
435
00:34:33,201 --> 00:34:35,203
so those images
went beautifully with that.
436
00:34:35,247 --> 00:34:37,118
So you start to create
437
00:34:37,162 --> 00:34:39,512
something that you
hadn't even imagined.
438
00:34:39,555 --> 00:34:40,861
Whereas now,
you do imagine it.
439
00:34:40,904 --> 00:34:43,081
But then,
it was au naturel.
440
00:34:43,124 --> 00:34:45,648
We were just sort of
figuring it out.
441
00:34:54,875 --> 00:34:55,876
He'd never really done nudes,
442
00:34:55,919 --> 00:34:57,617
I'd never really done nudes.
443
00:34:57,660 --> 00:34:59,053
He said, "it doesn't matter
whether you're nude or not,
444
00:34:59,097 --> 00:35:00,663
just be there
and just stand there,
445
00:35:00,707 --> 00:35:02,187
just do that,
stand in front of--
446
00:35:02,230 --> 00:35:05,668
in the window,go on the bed and just sort of--
447
00:35:05,712 --> 00:35:08,193
just give me attitude,"
he said.
448
00:35:08,236 --> 00:35:10,499
Which I did.
449
00:36:07,252 --> 00:36:09,428
When I asked him
if he realized
450
00:36:09,471 --> 00:36:11,691
how deeply subversive he was,
451
00:36:11,734 --> 00:36:13,910
if the anarchy
was intentional,
452
00:36:13,954 --> 00:36:16,174
or if he was
just a naughty boy,
453
00:36:16,217 --> 00:36:17,827
he said
454
00:36:17,871 --> 00:36:21,570
he's a naughty boy who grew up to be an anarchist,
455
00:36:21,614 --> 00:36:23,442
but he's still
a naughty boy,
456
00:36:23,485 --> 00:36:25,357
and he'll always be
a naughty boy.
457
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:26,358
I like Cindy.
458
00:36:28,273 --> 00:36:30,144
-...in the head so much.
-Sorry.
459
00:36:30,188 --> 00:36:33,278
It's the best picture, mm-hm.
460
00:36:35,758 --> 00:36:38,021
Will you ever forgive me?
461
00:36:38,065 --> 00:36:39,501
It was actually extraordinary
462
00:36:39,545 --> 00:36:43,375
that Helmut was accepted
by the industry,
463
00:36:43,418 --> 00:36:45,638
because he was
much more dangerous,
464
00:36:45,681 --> 00:36:48,293
much more ambiguous
and frightening than--
465
00:36:48,336 --> 00:36:50,382
than an avedon or a penn.
466
00:36:50,425 --> 00:36:53,211
And I think he was accepted
because, probably,
467
00:36:53,254 --> 00:36:54,560
it was the right time.
468
00:36:54,603 --> 00:36:57,171
It was the '60s,
the sexual revolution.
469
00:36:57,215 --> 00:37:01,393
He did photograph women nude
and there was a twist to it,
470
00:37:01,436 --> 00:37:04,657
and it was a moment
where society was accepting
471
00:37:04,700 --> 00:37:09,270
nudity as an...Um, I mean,
we can also talk about
472
00:37:09,314 --> 00:37:10,793
Robert Mapplethorpe,
473
00:37:10,837 --> 00:37:12,317
who was younger
than Helmut Newton
474
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,449
and photographed
male mostly naked.
475
00:37:14,493 --> 00:37:19,149
But, um, that was
where the artists were.
476
00:37:19,193 --> 00:37:22,979
It had been a very long taboo
for many years,
477
00:37:23,023 --> 00:37:24,807
to see the naked body,
478
00:37:24,851 --> 00:37:26,287
and now we could see it.
479
00:37:26,331 --> 00:37:29,072
But the naked body
is not just naked.
480
00:37:29,116 --> 00:37:31,336
The naked body
is a temptation
481
00:37:31,379 --> 00:37:32,728
or it's a fear,
482
00:37:32,772 --> 00:37:35,340
it's an embarrassment.
483
00:37:35,383 --> 00:37:37,080
It's many things,
484
00:37:37,124 --> 00:37:41,476
and each photographer
photographed one aspect of it.
485
00:38:24,389 --> 00:38:29,437
I don't think anyone else
could've made me do that.
486
00:38:29,481 --> 00:38:35,313
Helmut made me
show my tits in that way
487
00:38:35,356 --> 00:38:38,490
without feeling
any embarrassment
488
00:38:38,533 --> 00:38:40,579
or shame or anything.
489
00:38:40,622 --> 00:38:42,494
I was rather prudish.
490
00:38:42,537 --> 00:38:44,887
I think I still am.
491
00:38:44,931 --> 00:38:47,977
You know, I was
brought up by nuns
492
00:38:48,021 --> 00:38:50,153
in a catholic convent.
493
00:38:50,197 --> 00:38:54,854
It took me yearsto decompress and get over that,
494
00:38:54,897 --> 00:38:56,464
really.
495
00:38:56,508 --> 00:39:00,729
And, um, Helmut was one
of the first people I met
496
00:39:00,773 --> 00:39:05,125
who didn't have
any of those hang-ups.
497
00:39:05,168 --> 00:39:09,042
It was the very first session
I did with him.
498
00:39:09,085 --> 00:39:13,438
I was living
in a basement in Chelsea
499
00:39:13,481 --> 00:39:18,138
with my second husband,
my punk husband, Ben,
500
00:39:18,181 --> 00:39:20,662
in frightful squalor, you know.
501
00:39:20,706 --> 00:39:22,795
We had nothing, no money.
502
00:39:22,838 --> 00:39:25,624
And I borrowed
Ben's leather jacket
503
00:39:25,667 --> 00:39:28,714
to do this,
I took it with me.
504
00:39:28,757 --> 00:39:30,368
And he loved it.
505
00:39:30,411 --> 00:39:32,065
And that's all he wanted,
506
00:39:32,108 --> 00:39:34,284
for me to just
wear the leather jacket.
507
00:39:34,328 --> 00:39:36,635
That's why it looks like that.
508
00:39:49,561 --> 00:39:53,826
That second picture
really is my soul.
509
00:39:53,869 --> 00:39:55,262
Definitely.
510
00:39:55,305 --> 00:39:58,831
My external--you know,
what I was wearing
511
00:39:58,874 --> 00:40:01,442
really didn't matter,
you know?
512
00:40:01,486 --> 00:40:04,184
I made it into something else.
513
00:40:04,227 --> 00:40:07,579
And he saw that
and took that picture.
514
00:40:15,195 --> 00:40:17,632
I was very shy,
and I'd just turned 17,
515
00:40:17,676 --> 00:40:20,983
and there was never a moment
where I felt uncomfortable.
516
00:40:21,027 --> 00:40:22,681
And it was just
an amazing experience
517
00:40:22,724 --> 00:40:26,815
where I walked away saying,
"this man is incredible."
518
00:40:26,859 --> 00:40:28,687
He had sort of
a twinkle in his eye,
519
00:40:28,730 --> 00:40:32,255
that nothing was serious,
everything understated
520
00:40:32,299 --> 00:40:34,083
and very witty.
521
00:40:34,127 --> 00:40:36,085
So, him putting together
522
00:40:36,129 --> 00:40:38,523
a mise-en-scene
sort of like this, um,
523
00:40:38,566 --> 00:40:40,568
he just thought about it
in the moment,
524
00:40:40,612 --> 00:40:43,092
and he thought
it was interesting,
525
00:40:43,136 --> 00:40:48,228
'cause I think, considering
that I looked so innocent and,
526
00:40:48,271 --> 00:40:49,490
you know,
it was like a funny thing
527
00:40:49,534 --> 00:40:51,231
to put us together like this,
528
00:40:51,274 --> 00:40:53,189
and he's offering me sweets
as if I don't know him.
529
00:40:53,233 --> 00:40:55,365
Um, that was very much
typical him,
530
00:40:55,409 --> 00:40:57,890
because he just thought
of things of the moment.
531
00:40:57,933 --> 00:40:59,457
The shoulders
a bit more to me--
532
00:40:59,500 --> 00:41:00,806
that's beautiful.
533
00:41:00,849 --> 00:41:02,721
Keep it close,
that's nice.
534
00:41:02,764 --> 00:41:04,679
Good, good, good.
535
00:41:04,723 --> 00:41:08,291
Good, good,
beautiful, good.
536
00:41:08,335 --> 00:41:09,510
Definitely,
when I look at the pictures,
537
00:41:09,554 --> 00:41:11,381
it's definitely not me.
538
00:41:11,425 --> 00:41:12,557
So it's his imagination
539
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:13,862
and it's my imagination.
540
00:41:13,906 --> 00:41:16,256
I love the fact that
I can be this different
541
00:41:16,299 --> 00:41:17,649
through his lens
542
00:41:17,692 --> 00:41:19,085
and play around
in different people,
543
00:41:19,128 --> 00:41:20,782
different character roles.
544
00:41:20,826 --> 00:41:22,828
I think he was trying to look
for the different facets
545
00:41:22,871 --> 00:41:25,047
of who I could be.
546
00:41:25,091 --> 00:41:26,571
There's one that's the dirndl,
547
00:41:26,614 --> 00:41:28,921
which represents very much
the German girl,
548
00:41:28,964 --> 00:41:33,055
and then the sexy girl as well,and then
549
00:41:33,099 --> 00:41:35,014
the sort of, the nighttime--
550
00:41:35,057 --> 00:41:36,711
the darkness of fashion,
I think,
551
00:41:36,755 --> 00:41:38,408
that was always
my take on that,
552
00:41:38,452 --> 00:41:41,586
that that was representingsort of the darkness of fashion
553
00:41:41,629 --> 00:41:44,632
and what else there is to it.
554
00:41:44,676 --> 00:41:46,242
So I think for me,
it was just sort of
555
00:41:46,286 --> 00:41:48,680
the woman in different--
different places.
556
00:41:52,684 --> 00:41:56,209
Yes, push, push, push.
557
00:41:56,252 --> 00:41:57,166
Yeah.
558
00:41:57,210 --> 00:41:58,690
The head more to me.
559
00:41:58,733 --> 00:42:01,562
A twinkle in the eye
coming from Helmut
560
00:42:01,606 --> 00:42:05,261
with some fun setups that he hadthought of last minute.
561
00:42:05,305 --> 00:42:08,438
The husband supposedly with the lover behind the door.
562
00:42:08,482 --> 00:42:09,918
That's great,
that's great.
563
00:42:09,962 --> 00:42:11,572
Go, go, go.
564
00:42:11,616 --> 00:42:13,269
Which is very Helmut Newton.
565
00:42:13,313 --> 00:42:15,445
And again, this is
how you recognize also, um,
566
00:42:15,489 --> 00:42:17,447
his photos,
'cause there's that--
567
00:42:17,491 --> 00:42:19,798
it's the high fashion
come together with
568
00:42:19,841 --> 00:42:21,843
an interesting angle
of some kind,
569
00:42:21,887 --> 00:42:25,107
and together with sexiness.
570
00:42:25,151 --> 00:42:26,892
That's good--
chin down a bit, Claudia.
571
00:42:26,935 --> 00:42:28,415
Down, down.
572
00:42:28,458 --> 00:42:30,156
A bit more to me.
573
00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:31,592
Not too much.
574
00:42:31,636 --> 00:42:33,376
There! Perfect!
575
00:42:33,420 --> 00:42:34,856
It was quite funny,
576
00:42:34,900 --> 00:42:36,771
because they looked for
anyone who could play
577
00:42:36,815 --> 00:42:40,079
the role of the maid
with her head in the oven,
578
00:42:40,122 --> 00:42:43,604
and they eventually
went to a university
579
00:42:43,648 --> 00:42:45,519
and asked for any students
who would be willing
580
00:42:45,563 --> 00:42:46,825
to come forward.
581
00:42:46,868 --> 00:42:48,261
And I remember
the girl arrived
582
00:42:48,304 --> 00:42:49,654
and had no idea
who Helmut Newton was
583
00:42:49,697 --> 00:42:52,657
and what was
about to happen.
584
00:42:52,700 --> 00:42:56,965
And was a bit, um...
Surprised when she was asked
585
00:42:57,009 --> 00:42:59,272
to put her head into the oven
now for the picture,
586
00:42:59,315 --> 00:43:02,754
and I was just
standing behind her.
587
00:43:02,797 --> 00:43:05,626
Which made us all laugh,
including her.
588
00:43:05,670 --> 00:43:07,062
Listen,
get her telephone number,
589
00:43:07,106 --> 00:43:09,499
we'll call--
get her telephone number
590
00:43:09,543 --> 00:43:11,153
and we'll call her back.
591
00:43:11,197 --> 00:43:12,633
Hello?
592
00:43:12,677 --> 00:43:13,895
Just one minute.
593
00:43:13,939 --> 00:43:18,247
Yeah, what do you speak,
English or French?
594
00:43:18,291 --> 00:43:20,467
Okay.
595
00:43:20,510 --> 00:43:21,642
The what?
596
00:43:24,340 --> 00:43:25,907
No, no, no,
I don't speak Spanish.
597
00:43:25,951 --> 00:43:29,302
I speak English,
French, and German.
598
00:43:29,345 --> 00:43:30,956
But--all right.
599
00:43:30,999 --> 00:43:32,261
Now, I'll tell you something.
600
00:43:32,305 --> 00:43:33,219
I'm in the middle
of a meeting,
601
00:43:33,262 --> 00:43:34,524
you've gotta be quick.
602
00:43:59,201 --> 00:44:00,986
And you're--you're on?
603
00:44:01,029 --> 00:44:04,859
Good. Film this girl.
604
00:44:04,903 --> 00:44:06,687
Go closer.
605
00:44:06,731 --> 00:44:09,821
Go closer!
606
00:44:09,864 --> 00:44:12,084
That is perfect.
607
00:44:12,127 --> 00:44:14,608
Look how pretty they look.
608
00:44:14,652 --> 00:44:15,957
Most these Berlin g--
609
00:44:16,001 --> 00:44:18,699
because the sun comes out
very rarely,
610
00:44:18,743 --> 00:44:25,706
so they have a somewhat
unhealthy bluish-white skin,
611
00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:28,013
which I think is great,
612
00:44:28,056 --> 00:44:30,972
and they have beautiful lips
613
00:44:31,016 --> 00:44:33,758
and the high cheekbones,
614
00:44:33,801 --> 00:44:36,935
and they're well built.
615
00:44:36,978 --> 00:44:39,633
They're funny because
all berliners are funny,
616
00:44:39,677 --> 00:44:43,550
you know, like the rest
of the Germans are boring,
617
00:44:43,593 --> 00:44:46,814
but berliners
have got something.
618
00:45:27,463 --> 00:45:29,378
I think he was weimar.
619
00:45:29,422 --> 00:45:31,163
That's how I think of him,
620
00:45:31,206 --> 00:45:34,514
like connected
to brecht and weill
621
00:45:34,557 --> 00:45:37,169
and all that wonderful--
622
00:45:37,212 --> 00:45:39,040
George Grosz--
623
00:45:39,084 --> 00:45:42,609
you know, that wonderful periodof German art,
624
00:45:42,652 --> 00:45:44,306
expressionism.
625
00:45:44,350 --> 00:45:45,830
That was Helmut.
626
00:45:53,794 --> 00:45:55,796
I loved my parents,
they were great.
627
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,755
Very different
in their influence on me.
628
00:45:57,798 --> 00:46:02,455
My mother was
a very spoiled woman
629
00:46:02,498 --> 00:46:04,979
and quite hysterical
in many ways,
630
00:46:05,023 --> 00:46:08,461
but pretty wonderful.
631
00:46:08,504 --> 00:46:10,550
Pretty wonderful.
632
00:46:10,593 --> 00:46:12,291
And very encouraging indeed.
633
00:46:12,334 --> 00:46:14,989
She encouraged me very much
to become a photographer.
634
00:46:15,033 --> 00:46:18,863
My father was, uh,
he was horrified by the idea.
635
00:46:20,952 --> 00:46:22,823
None of my sons--
636
00:46:22,867 --> 00:46:25,304
one son became a farmer
637
00:46:25,347 --> 00:46:27,480
and the other one
wanted to be a photographer.
638
00:46:27,523 --> 00:46:31,571
I mean, what a down--
what a downturn in the family.
639
00:46:31,614 --> 00:46:35,967
"You take pictures for a weekendfor a hobby, my boy.
640
00:46:36,010 --> 00:46:37,838
You end up in the gutter,
my boy."
641
00:46:37,882 --> 00:46:39,361
And he was right, I did,
642
00:46:39,405 --> 00:46:41,842
but it was a good time
in the gutter.
643
00:46:41,886 --> 00:46:43,931
I was determined,
I wasn't gonna grow
644
00:46:43,975 --> 00:46:46,368
and make buttons, you know.
645
00:46:46,412 --> 00:46:51,417
It didn't interest me
to go into dad's business.
646
00:46:56,944 --> 00:46:59,077
My mother used to chase me
647
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,035
with my
648
00:47:01,079 --> 00:47:04,212
into the stadtpark,
in the schoöneberger stadtpark,
649
00:47:04,256 --> 00:47:07,737
here, for two and a half hours
every day.
650
00:47:07,781 --> 00:47:10,001
I really hated this park,
651
00:47:10,044 --> 00:47:11,959
but it has memories.
652
00:47:12,003 --> 00:47:15,571
This fence has not changed,
653
00:47:15,615 --> 00:47:19,053
and I had one
of those push rollers
654
00:47:19,097 --> 00:47:20,968
that kids have,
made of wood,
655
00:47:21,012 --> 00:47:24,929
and I come down the hill
at great speed,
656
00:47:24,972 --> 00:47:26,800
and I see a little girl,
657
00:47:26,844 --> 00:47:29,194
I think I must've been
6 years old,
658
00:47:29,237 --> 00:47:31,413
I turn around
to the little girl,
659
00:47:31,457 --> 00:47:35,026
and of course, I slip,
the roller on the floor,
660
00:47:35,069 --> 00:47:39,900
and me, I'm landing
on this fence with my wrist.
661
00:47:39,944 --> 00:47:43,904
Wrist was broken,
came home screaming.
662
00:47:43,948 --> 00:47:45,950
You shouldn't turn around
and look at girls.
663
00:47:53,044 --> 00:47:55,568
When I was 13,
664
00:47:55,611 --> 00:47:57,396
Hitler came to power,
665
00:47:57,439 --> 00:48:00,878
and very soon,
666
00:48:00,921 --> 00:48:03,402
one was surrounded
by Nazi imagery.
667
00:48:17,459 --> 00:48:21,072
Everybody knows I'm a Jew,
and that's fine,
668
00:48:21,115 --> 00:48:24,989
but imagine a kid
that's crazy about pictures
669
00:48:25,032 --> 00:48:27,295
and all he wants to do
is look at pictures,
670
00:48:27,339 --> 00:48:29,950
and all he sees
is Nazi pictures
671
00:48:29,994 --> 00:48:34,999
and the way the, you know,
672
00:48:35,042 --> 00:48:36,826
the glorification,
673
00:48:36,870 --> 00:48:38,480
like leni riefenstahl.
674
00:48:38,524 --> 00:48:42,963
I mean, she did a very good jobfor the government,
675
00:48:43,007 --> 00:48:44,399
for the Nazis,
an excellent job.
676
00:48:44,443 --> 00:48:46,010
Nobody could've done
a better job
677
00:48:46,053 --> 00:48:47,750
because she's also
a bloody genius.
678
00:49:09,685 --> 00:49:11,165
Helmut photographed women
679
00:49:11,209 --> 00:49:13,820
as leni riefenstahl
would've photographed men.
680
00:49:13,863 --> 00:49:16,823
There was something powerful
and beautiful
681
00:49:16,866 --> 00:49:20,348
and frightening
and also repellent
682
00:49:20,392 --> 00:49:22,568
and, you know, and I'm sure
683
00:49:22,611 --> 00:49:24,918
you could read that
in his photo.
684
00:49:28,095 --> 00:49:30,184
You see that there is
a German thing,
685
00:49:30,228 --> 00:49:33,666
you see this research
the Nazi promoted
686
00:49:33,709 --> 00:49:36,930
about the beauty
of the white
687
00:49:36,974 --> 00:49:38,976
or the perfection of the body,
688
00:49:39,019 --> 00:49:42,283
the inferiority of a race
compared to another race.
689
00:49:42,327 --> 00:49:45,025
You feel hints to this,
690
00:49:45,069 --> 00:49:48,333
and--and the--and you still--
691
00:49:48,376 --> 00:49:51,205
and you still feel
that he's working,
692
00:49:51,249 --> 00:49:55,993
that in his brain,helmut is working out all this.
693
00:50:01,041 --> 00:50:05,219
People have accused me of, evennow, having a certain influence,
694
00:50:05,263 --> 00:50:07,047
and I say,
"well, it's natural."
695
00:50:07,091 --> 00:50:09,528
You grow up with it.
696
00:50:09,571 --> 00:50:11,921
I mean, you also grew up
with the knowledge
697
00:50:11,965 --> 00:50:14,185
that the Nazis would come
and put you in--
698
00:50:14,228 --> 00:50:18,058
you cut across a road,
if you cross at a red light,
699
00:50:18,102 --> 00:50:21,540
it's likely that you'll end up
in a concentration camp.
700
00:50:21,583 --> 00:50:24,847
I mean, it was a scary time.
701
00:50:24,891 --> 00:50:27,415
But, you know,
kids are different.
702
00:50:27,459 --> 00:50:31,811
Kids seem to have a strength.
703
00:50:31,854 --> 00:50:33,421
We knew it was dangerous.
704
00:50:33,465 --> 00:50:38,078
You know, there were
the nuremberg laws about not--
705
00:50:38,122 --> 00:50:40,820
you had to have
Jewish girlfriends
706
00:50:40,863 --> 00:50:44,041
and you weren't supposed to be
with what they called Aryan.
707
00:50:44,084 --> 00:50:47,566
So, it was all a strange time.
708
00:51:16,769 --> 00:51:18,771
One thing I'll never forget,
709
00:51:18,814 --> 00:51:23,123
I went out with a girl
to where the barrier was,
710
00:51:23,167 --> 00:51:24,907
and I hung onto the barrier
711
00:51:24,951 --> 00:51:27,171
and I undressed her underwater,
712
00:51:27,214 --> 00:51:29,173
and I was thrown out of the--
713
00:51:29,216 --> 00:51:32,785
out of the pool.
714
00:51:32,828 --> 00:51:35,570
There's always, you know,
a guy comes,
715
00:51:35,614 --> 00:51:39,313
like a lifesaver comes by
and watched this girl,
716
00:51:39,357 --> 00:51:42,751
I was thrown out and I was
forbidden to come back.
717
00:51:42,795 --> 00:51:44,840
And then, of course,
they had signs,
718
00:51:44,884 --> 00:51:47,147
"Jews and dogs not allowed,"
719
00:51:47,191 --> 00:51:49,628
but that didn't stop me
because I liked swimming
720
00:51:49,671 --> 00:51:51,804
with my friends
and my girlfriends.
721
00:51:51,847 --> 00:51:54,763
I did a lot of photographs
of my friends.
722
00:51:54,807 --> 00:51:58,202
I tried to do fashion pictures,
723
00:51:58,245 --> 00:52:00,291
like what I saw in vogue.
724
00:52:00,334 --> 00:52:03,468
Then I wanted to become
a rasender reporter.
725
00:52:43,638 --> 00:52:44,900
I learned everything.
726
00:52:44,944 --> 00:52:47,207
The craft, I was an apprentice,
727
00:52:47,251 --> 00:52:48,556
a true apprentice.
728
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,124
I learned how to
negative retouch,
729
00:52:51,168 --> 00:52:54,258
I learned how to light
in the studio.
730
00:52:54,301 --> 00:52:58,479
You know, I learned
to respect a piece of film.
731
00:52:58,523 --> 00:53:00,699
That was a very happy time.
732
00:53:00,742 --> 00:53:04,268
Two years, the woman
was wonderful, wonderful.
733
00:53:04,311 --> 00:53:06,922
I worshiped the ground
she tread on.
734
00:53:23,591 --> 00:53:27,247
I ran in the day
and I tried to hide at night,
735
00:53:27,291 --> 00:53:30,119
but some people
were very kind to me,
736
00:53:30,163 --> 00:53:35,124
and some of the kind people
were party members
737
00:53:35,168 --> 00:53:37,562
that really stucktheir neck out, their necks out,
738
00:53:37,605 --> 00:53:39,520
and there were people
that were--
739
00:53:39,564 --> 00:53:42,741
their cellars
were filled with Jews.
740
00:53:47,180 --> 00:53:49,269
But...
741
00:53:49,313 --> 00:53:51,532
How many good Germans
were there?
742
00:53:51,576 --> 00:53:53,708
Like, every German would say,
you know,
743
00:53:53,752 --> 00:53:55,536
there were 60 million Germans,
744
00:53:55,580 --> 00:53:57,408
and everyone says,
"I know a nice Jew."
745
00:53:57,451 --> 00:53:59,279
There must've been
60 million nice Jews,
746
00:53:59,323 --> 00:54:01,020
but they got rid of them anyway.
747
00:54:01,063 --> 00:54:04,502
That is not all those nice Jews.
748
00:54:21,649 --> 00:54:25,436
I left on 5th of December, 1938,
749
00:54:25,479 --> 00:54:27,438
for trieste,
750
00:54:27,481 --> 00:54:30,615
to catch a ship to China.
751
00:54:30,658 --> 00:54:33,574
It was--i can remember
the name of the ship,
752
00:54:33,618 --> 00:54:38,579
was called the conte rosso,
Lloyd triestino's ship.
753
00:54:38,623 --> 00:54:40,277
I never made it to China.
754
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,280
I got hung up in Singapore.
755
00:54:43,323 --> 00:54:45,369
I was at the straits times,
756
00:54:45,412 --> 00:54:47,806
and I was such a bad reporter
757
00:54:47,849 --> 00:54:50,199
that I got thrown out
after two weeks.
758
00:54:50,243 --> 00:54:52,550
On the street without a penny.
759
00:54:52,593 --> 00:54:54,421
I was too slow.
760
00:54:54,465 --> 00:54:57,119
By the time I had
my little rolleicord set,
761
00:54:57,163 --> 00:55:00,688
everything had fizzled,
the event had gone.
762
00:55:54,742 --> 00:55:56,614
Yes, it was, um...
763
00:55:58,485 --> 00:56:01,183
I walked into his studio,
764
00:56:01,227 --> 00:56:07,102
and I was sitting in
his little front waiting room,
765
00:56:07,146 --> 00:56:09,496
I suppose you'd call it,
766
00:56:09,540 --> 00:56:14,414
and I was looking
at the pictures on the wall
767
00:56:14,458 --> 00:56:16,416
that were absolutely wonderful.
768
00:56:16,460 --> 00:56:19,201
Things I'd never seen before
in Australia.
769
00:56:19,245 --> 00:56:23,031
And all of a sudden, I thought,"this man must be very old."
770
00:56:23,075 --> 00:56:25,207
I thought he was
a very old man,
771
00:56:25,251 --> 00:56:27,079
and then the door opened
and in walked
772
00:56:27,122 --> 00:56:32,650
this marvelous-looking,
wonderful, bright-looking man,
773
00:56:32,693 --> 00:56:35,000
and that was the first time
I met him.
774
00:56:43,269 --> 00:56:45,837
I did indeed do
a little modeling
775
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,535
for a knitting book called
the new idea.
776
00:56:48,579 --> 00:56:51,233
I never got paid,
he never paid me anything,
777
00:56:51,277 --> 00:56:54,323
but he married me instead,
or I married him instead.
778
00:56:54,367 --> 00:56:56,238
June had a lot of authority.
779
00:56:56,282 --> 00:56:57,501
She ran the set,
780
00:56:57,544 --> 00:56:59,590
and Helmut seemed like
a little boy
781
00:56:59,633 --> 00:57:01,330
that was playing with his toys,
782
00:57:01,374 --> 00:57:03,768
and she gave him the toys
to play with.
783
00:57:03,811 --> 00:57:05,944
So she had more authority
than Helmut,
784
00:57:05,987 --> 00:57:07,511
and Helmut was very comical.
785
00:57:07,554 --> 00:57:10,296
He was laughing,
he was playful.
786
00:57:10,339 --> 00:57:12,124
So actually,
after I worked with him,
787
00:57:12,167 --> 00:57:14,779
I started to see
the lightness in his photo.
788
00:57:14,822 --> 00:57:16,650
The photos were frightening,
789
00:57:16,694 --> 00:57:19,000
but there was all a sense
of humor about it.
790
00:57:19,044 --> 00:57:21,481
So we had a lot of fun
at the hotel Raphael
791
00:57:21,525 --> 00:57:23,875
doing the second shoot
where he made me quite sexy.
792
00:57:23,918 --> 00:57:26,443
I remember,
there's a photo of me with--
793
00:57:26,486 --> 00:57:29,881
I mean, I'm not nude,
but my legs are naked,
794
00:57:29,924 --> 00:57:33,145
I have a very big decollete,
and I look like
795
00:57:33,188 --> 00:57:35,930
a high-class girl
from madame Claude
796
00:57:35,974 --> 00:57:39,543
or something like that, who hadthe biggest brothel in Paris.
797
00:58:12,358 --> 00:58:14,752
There's an old rolleiflex.
798
00:58:14,795 --> 00:58:16,841
There.
799
00:58:16,884 --> 00:58:18,712
There's Erich von Stroheim,
800
00:58:18,756 --> 00:58:21,541
my hero, one of my heroes.
801
00:58:21,585 --> 00:58:23,108
There's...
802
00:58:27,982 --> 00:58:29,767
The young virgin.
803
00:58:53,573 --> 00:58:56,228
Your left hand
more to the other hand.
804
00:58:56,271 --> 00:58:57,359
No, no, just--
805
00:58:57,403 --> 00:58:58,665
there, that's it!
806
00:58:58,709 --> 00:59:01,799
Beautiful, stay there,
Larissa, stay.
807
00:59:01,842 --> 00:59:03,365
Open the door a bit, Carla.
808
00:59:03,409 --> 00:59:04,236
That's good.
809
00:59:04,279 --> 00:59:05,411
Now, your head was down.
810
00:59:05,454 --> 00:59:06,804
Much better, Carla, before.
811
00:59:06,847 --> 00:59:08,719
Like this, stay.
812
00:59:13,419 --> 00:59:17,162
Another $10,000
813
00:59:17,205 --> 00:59:19,991
to buy more diamonds
for my junie.
814
00:59:28,042 --> 00:59:30,044
I think they were
everything together.
815
00:59:30,088 --> 00:59:34,527
I mean, this is the dream
of every couple in life, no?
816
00:59:34,571 --> 00:59:37,225
To have met your perfect person
817
00:59:37,269 --> 00:59:39,793
that you respect,
you can work with,
818
00:59:39,837 --> 00:59:41,926
build something together.
819
00:59:41,969 --> 00:59:43,536
This is wonderful,
820
00:59:43,580 --> 00:59:45,756
and even when they had
difficult times,
821
00:59:45,799 --> 00:59:47,671
as we all know, you know,
822
00:59:47,714 --> 00:59:51,196
when June was doing
her little revenges on him
823
00:59:51,239 --> 00:59:54,155
or little, you know,
like every couple.
824
00:59:54,199 --> 00:59:56,070
She was in hotel in Paris,
825
00:59:56,114 --> 00:59:58,246
and he was downstairs
waiting for her
826
00:59:58,290 --> 00:59:59,857
I think a couple of days.
827
01:00:01,206 --> 01:00:02,468
Now the pants have had it.
828
01:00:02,511 --> 01:00:03,643
Now they've had it.
829
01:00:03,687 --> 01:00:04,775
-Look.
-Show me.
830
01:00:04,818 --> 01:00:05,819
Show me, show me.
831
01:00:05,863 --> 01:00:07,429
Wait, wait, wait.
832
01:00:07,473 --> 01:00:09,083
Wait, wait, wait,
I want to see them,
833
01:00:09,127 --> 01:00:11,259
how far they've had--
yeah, they've had it.
834
01:00:11,303 --> 01:00:14,611
Ah, helmy!
835
01:00:14,654 --> 01:00:15,829
Oh well.
836
01:00:15,873 --> 01:00:17,657
How long
have you had them, hel?
837
01:00:17,701 --> 01:00:19,354
Oh, I don't know offhand.
838
01:00:19,398 --> 01:00:21,661
They look as if you've had them for a long time.
839
01:00:21,705 --> 01:00:23,228
-Perry Ellis.
-You got them
840
01:00:23,271 --> 01:00:25,186
in carnaby street,
I think, in the '70s.
841
01:00:25,230 --> 01:00:29,190
No, no, no, I got them
at Robinson's in Los Angeles.
842
01:00:29,234 --> 01:00:32,280
What, in--in 1980?
843
01:00:34,369 --> 01:00:36,937
How old would you say
the sweater is?
844
01:00:38,591 --> 01:00:41,376
Let's have a look
at the sweater, helmy.
845
01:00:41,420 --> 01:00:43,030
No, let's have a look at it.
846
01:00:43,074 --> 01:00:44,684
Here, that's it.
847
01:00:44,728 --> 01:00:46,947
Especially the bottom of it,
that's right.
848
01:00:46,991 --> 01:00:48,862
Wait a minute,
I'll get your legs.
849
01:00:48,906 --> 01:00:50,647
Yeah.
850
01:00:50,690 --> 01:00:53,171
Yeah, how long do you think
you're gonna keep
851
01:00:53,214 --> 01:00:54,825
the sweater for?
852
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:01,309
-It's your beach sweater.
-Pure cashmere.
853
01:01:01,353 --> 01:01:03,268
It's not,
it's just lamb's wool.
854
01:01:03,311 --> 01:01:05,357
That is not.
The other one is lamb's wool.
855
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:06,575
This is pure cashmere.
856
01:01:06,619 --> 01:01:07,925
That is lamb's wool, helmy.
857
01:01:07,968 --> 01:01:09,448
You don't know the difference
858
01:01:09,491 --> 01:01:10,405
between lamb's wool
and cashmere.
859
01:01:10,449 --> 01:01:11,755
Wanna feel it? Feel it.
860
01:01:11,798 --> 01:01:14,714
I can feel it, it's cashmere.
861
01:01:14,758 --> 01:01:16,629
Why are you always right?
862
01:02:45,674 --> 01:02:48,982
I think, for a moment,
Helmut regretted it.
863
01:02:49,026 --> 01:02:52,333
I think it was when Karl said,
864
01:02:52,377 --> 01:02:54,858
"Helmut, it's very wonderful,
865
01:02:54,901 --> 01:02:56,424
but are you sure?
866
01:02:56,468 --> 01:02:59,297
It's very courageous of you,
but are you sure?"
867
01:02:59,340 --> 01:03:01,865
And Helmut wasn't sure
for a moment,
868
01:03:01,908 --> 01:03:05,999
but we've both relaxed into it.
869
01:03:06,043 --> 01:03:08,480
I mean, I think it's marvelous
870
01:03:08,523 --> 01:03:11,875
that they just haven't been
stuck in an album.
871
01:03:31,068 --> 01:03:32,678
June?
872
01:03:32,721 --> 01:03:34,985
There is love between us,
but I don't think it--
873
01:03:35,028 --> 01:03:37,509
if it shows in the pictures,
all the better,
874
01:03:37,552 --> 01:03:38,858
but there is love.
875
01:03:38,902 --> 01:03:40,468
There's a lot of love
in the pictures
876
01:03:40,512 --> 01:03:42,906
that he took of me
in the hospital
877
01:03:42,949 --> 01:03:45,734
because the only way
he could see me in hospital
878
01:03:45,778 --> 01:03:49,173
was to have the camera
between the two of us
879
01:03:49,216 --> 01:03:51,871
so that when he came in
after the operation,
880
01:03:51,915 --> 01:03:54,526
you'll see those pictures
out there,
881
01:03:54,569 --> 01:03:58,704
he said, "junie,
throw the bedsheet away,"
882
01:03:58,747 --> 01:04:01,054
and I said, "I can't,
I haven't the strength.
883
01:04:01,098 --> 01:04:04,318
I can't throw anything away,"
and he said, "just--"
884
01:04:04,362 --> 01:04:07,060
and he had no idea
what he was going to see,
885
01:04:07,104 --> 01:04:11,412
and I pulled it off
very slowly,
886
01:04:11,456 --> 01:04:13,980
and I thought
he was gonna faint,
887
01:04:14,024 --> 01:04:17,201
but he didn't only because
he already had the camera
888
01:04:17,244 --> 01:04:22,815
in front of his eyesand was able to start clicking.
889
01:04:22,859 --> 01:04:25,252
So, of course there's love.
890
01:05:02,986 --> 01:05:05,814
That's how he copes
with all the operations
891
01:05:05,858 --> 01:05:07,251
that he goes through,
892
01:05:07,294 --> 01:05:11,908
and especially
if these heart attacks
893
01:05:11,951 --> 01:05:14,084
that he's had,
and I think they're over now,
894
01:05:14,127 --> 01:05:17,957
but the only thing
that kept him going
895
01:05:18,001 --> 01:05:21,178
was the little camera
that was by his side
896
01:05:21,221 --> 01:05:23,006
to photograph the nurses
and the doctors
897
01:05:23,049 --> 01:05:25,312
and everything
that was happening to him.
898
01:05:25,356 --> 01:05:28,750
He even took it
into the operating room,
899
01:05:28,794 --> 01:05:31,144
and as he was wheeled by,
I was sitting, waiting,
900
01:05:31,188 --> 01:05:33,842
in the alley,
wherever it was,
901
01:05:33,886 --> 01:05:35,714
and they wheeled him by,
and the nurse said,
902
01:05:35,757 --> 01:05:37,150
one nurse said to the other,
903
01:05:37,194 --> 01:05:39,152
"what is he gonna do
with a camera?"
904
01:05:39,196 --> 01:05:40,893
And the other one said,
"he thinks
905
01:05:40,937 --> 01:05:42,634
he's gonna photograph himself."
906
01:05:42,677 --> 01:05:45,985
And they rolled with laughter
as they wheeled him past.
907
01:05:46,029 --> 01:05:48,074
Yes, it is a protection.
908
01:05:58,171 --> 01:06:00,869
No, sweetheart, they're in
your suitcase in Berlin.
909
01:06:00,913 --> 01:06:01,870
They're not.
910
01:06:03,568 --> 01:06:05,178
Do you like the picture, hel?
911
01:06:05,222 --> 01:06:07,137
I love the picture.
912
01:06:07,180 --> 01:06:09,139
I think it's amazing.
913
01:06:13,056 --> 01:06:15,014
I love the look
on the girl's face,
914
01:06:15,058 --> 01:06:17,364
the false breasts and all that.
915
01:06:37,689 --> 01:06:41,736
She was so influential
in everything that he did.
916
01:06:41,780 --> 01:06:44,304
I mean, women were always
the driving force
917
01:06:44,348 --> 01:06:46,045
in any of his photographs,
918
01:06:46,089 --> 01:06:48,439
but I think in terms
of being a muse
919
01:06:48,482 --> 01:06:51,137
or being someone whose counsel
and advice and opinion
920
01:06:51,181 --> 01:06:54,401
he always sought,
it was always June.
921
01:06:54,445 --> 01:06:56,012
He needed his mother.
922
01:07:16,119 --> 01:07:18,034
You're gonna see
more night pictures now
923
01:07:18,077 --> 01:07:20,166
because I love night,
it's my--
924
01:07:20,210 --> 01:07:23,648
the influence of brassaiï
that's still coming through
925
01:07:23,691 --> 01:07:26,868
even after all those years.
926
01:07:26,912 --> 01:07:32,744
It's--the night has
a special mystery for me,
927
01:07:32,787 --> 01:07:35,877
and he was--
he was a great master.
928
01:07:35,921 --> 01:07:38,445
Of the night, I'm not bad.
929
01:08:48,733 --> 01:08:50,430
It was just him and me.
930
01:08:50,474 --> 01:08:53,216
He didn't tell anything
about what he wanted.
931
01:08:53,259 --> 01:08:56,697
I just look at his eyes
and I knew what he wanted,
932
01:08:56,741 --> 01:09:00,310
and it was--we had
this connection so special
933
01:09:00,353 --> 01:09:03,139
that you could touch
the atmosphere.
934
01:09:03,182 --> 01:09:04,879
It was so, ah!
935
01:09:12,104 --> 01:09:13,758
With other photographers,
you know,
936
01:09:13,801 --> 01:09:16,239
when you are young
and not so bad, you know,
937
01:09:16,282 --> 01:09:19,242
they try to, you know,
but with him, it's like,
938
01:09:19,285 --> 01:09:20,982
it was so much respect.
939
01:09:21,026 --> 01:09:23,768
There was never a mention
about the--
940
01:09:23,811 --> 01:09:25,726
he's trying to, you know...
941
01:09:25,770 --> 01:09:27,598
It was--i had so much respect.
942
01:09:27,641 --> 01:09:30,644
It's not like a father,
but like a...
943
01:09:30,688 --> 01:09:33,604
It's very difficult to say.
944
01:09:33,647 --> 01:09:35,649
I felt--i felt good.
945
01:09:35,693 --> 01:09:37,347
I felt safe.
946
01:09:41,699 --> 01:09:43,135
It was like, I don't know,
947
01:09:43,179 --> 01:09:45,659
doing a cinema,
the story, you know,
948
01:09:45,703 --> 01:09:50,882
and he made me feel like
a one-million-dollar baby.
949
01:09:50,925 --> 01:09:53,232
And the feeling
that Helmut gave me
950
01:09:53,276 --> 01:09:55,060
when he was photographing
951
01:09:55,103 --> 01:09:57,497
is huge power.
952
01:09:57,541 --> 01:09:59,891
So when I was with furs
and jewels
953
01:09:59,934 --> 01:10:02,981
and hair
and lipstick and nails,
954
01:10:03,024 --> 01:10:07,115
it's just--you go into a--
you go into a character,
955
01:10:07,159 --> 01:10:09,292
you know, like, he'd like
to have all the nails
956
01:10:09,335 --> 01:10:12,643
and the nails on skin and all
that sort of stuff going on
957
01:10:12,686 --> 01:10:14,210
because he's penetrating,
958
01:10:14,253 --> 01:10:16,124
he's actually getting
inside you.
959
01:10:16,168 --> 01:10:18,388
He's getting inside
the part of you
960
01:10:18,431 --> 01:10:21,260
that's really interesting
and bringing it out.
961
01:13:06,512 --> 01:13:08,732
This is just
a very favorite picture,
962
01:13:08,775 --> 01:13:11,822
but it has a lot
of reference to my life.
963
01:13:11,865 --> 01:13:14,259
It's photographed
in the vogue studios in Paris
964
01:13:14,302 --> 01:13:16,696
where I spent years
and years and years,
965
01:13:16,740 --> 01:13:18,611
and then June dropped in.
966
01:13:18,655 --> 01:13:21,527
We were gonna have lunch
at the cantine together,
967
01:13:21,571 --> 01:13:23,529
and I hadn't finished,
she just sat down.
968
01:13:23,573 --> 01:13:26,140
She didn't even know
that she was in the frame
969
01:13:26,184 --> 01:13:27,403
of my picture.
970
01:13:27,446 --> 01:13:29,056
She had no idea.
971
01:13:29,100 --> 01:13:32,277
And the whole sheet, context,
it's very interesting,
972
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:35,672
is June's different expressions
973
01:13:35,715 --> 01:13:37,369
while I was taking
these pictures.
974
01:14:18,889 --> 01:14:22,066
He was fortunate
to be working at the time
975
01:14:22,109 --> 01:14:24,285
when designers like
yves Saint-Laurent
976
01:14:24,329 --> 01:14:27,419
and Karl lagerfeld
were really at their height,
977
01:14:27,463 --> 01:14:30,640
and they were dressing
and giving the designs
978
01:14:30,683 --> 01:14:33,556
of that time were very much
a Helmut Newton woman,
979
01:14:33,599 --> 01:14:36,428
and it all sort of came togetherat the right moment.
980
01:15:57,857 --> 01:16:00,947
We could be shameless, famous
981
01:16:00,991 --> 01:16:03,254
running cool
982
01:16:03,297 --> 01:16:07,780
with a love that leaves us
weightless, ooh
983
01:16:07,824 --> 01:16:12,524
drop dead gorgeous, wow, ooh
984
01:16:12,568 --> 01:16:15,832
you got me feeling
star-struck too
985
01:16:17,660 --> 01:16:21,925
for me, there is a kind
of what I call modernity
986
01:16:21,968 --> 01:16:24,492
about certain women
at a certain time.
987
01:16:24,536 --> 01:16:28,496
It means I would choose today
a girl
988
01:16:28,540 --> 01:16:30,629
that would be entirely
different from a girl
989
01:16:30,673 --> 01:16:34,154
that I would've chosen,
let's say, six years ago.
990
01:16:34,198 --> 01:16:36,548
My idea has changed
991
01:16:36,592 --> 01:16:42,336
with the change
in what goes on around us.
992
01:16:42,380 --> 01:16:46,036
I never know the type of girl
that I want until I see her.
993
01:16:46,079 --> 01:16:48,821
I know the kind of photograph
that I want to take.
994
01:16:48,865 --> 01:16:52,303
It's in the back of my mind,
it's a little bit vague,
995
01:16:52,346 --> 01:16:54,653
like the idea
of the girl is vague.
996
01:16:54,697 --> 01:16:57,917
I always say, "I know
the girl when I see her."
997
01:16:57,961 --> 01:17:00,311
And most of the girls
that I've found,
998
01:17:00,354 --> 01:17:01,878
they're generally beginners,
999
01:17:01,921 --> 01:17:05,142
and they have been found
through go-sees.
1000
01:17:08,145 --> 01:17:09,799
I'm always nice to the girls
1001
01:17:09,842 --> 01:17:11,583
because you ask them to come.
1002
01:17:11,627 --> 01:17:14,238
The least you can do
is look at the book
1003
01:17:14,281 --> 01:17:15,979
and say something nice.
1004
01:17:16,022 --> 01:17:18,590
I'm not gonna say,
"you look like hell,"
1005
01:17:18,634 --> 01:17:20,853
you know, "you're like
the back end of a bus,"
1006
01:17:20,897 --> 01:17:22,855
or "your ass is too big,"
or something.
1007
01:17:22,899 --> 01:17:28,034
I can't do that, even if she
has an ass that's too big.
1008
01:17:28,078 --> 01:17:30,776
Some of them sell themselves
really, really, really hard,
1009
01:17:30,820 --> 01:17:34,040
you know, especially American
girls are very forward
1010
01:17:34,084 --> 01:17:36,390
and very on a hard sell.
1011
01:17:36,434 --> 01:17:38,305
What happened in Milan,
which was funny,
1012
01:17:38,349 --> 01:17:41,395
we had a big go-see, like
the one we're gonna have here,
1013
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:44,572
we're having here,
and I mentioned something
1014
01:17:44,616 --> 01:17:47,140
about that I need--
all the girls were in the room
1015
01:17:47,184 --> 01:17:49,490
and I mentioned to one girl
that I needed,
1016
01:17:49,534 --> 01:17:52,798
I was looking for a girl
with a lot of bosom,
1017
01:17:52,842 --> 01:17:55,714
and everything was finished,
everybody had gone,
1018
01:17:55,758 --> 01:17:58,674
and the door opens, and a girl
came back and she said,
1019
01:17:58,717 --> 01:18:01,111
"I just wanted to show you
I've got a lot of bosom."
1020
01:18:01,154 --> 01:18:02,765
And she opened up her shirt.
1021
01:18:02,808 --> 01:18:05,855
Of course, that's a hard sell.
1022
01:18:05,898 --> 01:18:08,771
If Helmut asks to see you,
1023
01:18:08,814 --> 01:18:10,773
your career is made.
1024
01:18:10,816 --> 01:18:12,165
That's it.
1025
01:18:12,209 --> 01:18:13,514
You're on top.
1026
01:18:13,558 --> 01:18:17,127
So you get very excited,
very excited.
1027
01:18:17,170 --> 01:18:22,741
And when I went,when he said, he looked, "ah...
1028
01:18:22,785 --> 01:18:24,743
Your breasts are too small."
1029
01:18:27,572 --> 01:18:30,096
I know!
1030
01:18:30,140 --> 01:18:31,968
Okay, so, I went,
1031
01:18:32,011 --> 01:18:36,886
"oh, breasts are too small,
okay."
1032
01:18:36,929 --> 01:18:38,844
So I left, of course,
1033
01:18:38,888 --> 01:18:41,804
feeling a bit, you know,
that whole buildup to,
1034
01:18:41,847 --> 01:18:44,284
"oh, it's Helmut Newton,
it's Helmut Newton."
1035
01:18:44,328 --> 01:18:47,723
It's god!You know, it's god calling you.
1036
01:18:47,766 --> 01:18:51,770
And then, I thought, "okay,he's not going to call me back."
1037
01:18:51,814 --> 01:18:54,773
Helmut kept calling me back
1038
01:18:54,817 --> 01:18:57,254
and he said, "I forgot!
1039
01:18:57,297 --> 01:18:59,125
You have small breasts!"
1040
01:19:00,474 --> 01:19:03,173
So it's such a crazy story.
1041
01:19:03,216 --> 01:19:05,566
Three times, four times,
1042
01:19:05,610 --> 01:19:08,178
because he really,
I could tell,
1043
01:19:08,221 --> 01:19:10,876
he wanted to photograph me,
1044
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:13,531
and finally,
1045
01:19:13,574 --> 01:19:15,359
we worked together.
1046
01:19:18,231 --> 01:19:21,669
Playboy wanted to do the shoot
with dolph and I
1047
01:19:21,713 --> 01:19:25,108
because, you know,
we had become this...
1048
01:19:25,151 --> 01:19:28,589
How do you say,
almost like Elizabeth Taylor
1049
01:19:28,633 --> 01:19:31,984
and Richard Burton type of
couple in Hollywood, you know.
1050
01:19:42,821 --> 01:19:44,388
I've been coming here
every winter
1051
01:19:44,431 --> 01:19:46,738
from December
till the end of march.
1052
01:19:46,782 --> 01:19:49,959
Love the climate, and then,
the first time I came,
1053
01:19:50,002 --> 01:19:53,571
which I think was in '56 or '57 with June,
1054
01:19:53,614 --> 01:19:55,660
it was just, you know,
1055
01:19:55,703 --> 01:19:57,401
I felt I was in
an American movie.
1056
01:19:57,444 --> 01:20:00,883
I love, I love Los Angeles,
I love Hollywood.
1057
01:20:00,926 --> 01:20:03,668
Wish I was a millionaire
1058
01:20:03,711 --> 01:20:07,498
I'd play rock music
and grow long hair
1059
01:20:07,541 --> 01:20:09,500
I'll tell you, boys
1060
01:20:10,893 --> 01:20:13,199
I'd buy a new Rolls-Royce
1061
01:20:15,941 --> 01:20:19,640
pretty women,
they'd come to me
1062
01:20:19,684 --> 01:20:22,643
I'd give 'em all
the third degree
1063
01:20:22,687 --> 01:20:26,386
I'd give 'em satin sheets
1064
01:20:26,430 --> 01:20:28,954
to keep 'em off the streets
1065
01:20:32,001 --> 01:20:33,916
great jehovah
1066
01:20:33,959 --> 01:20:35,918
my girlfriend, penny,
I've known her,
1067
01:20:35,961 --> 01:20:39,008
now I think I've known her
for four years or so.
1068
01:20:39,051 --> 01:20:40,923
I've been going there
pumping petrol.
1069
01:20:40,966 --> 01:20:43,403
What struck me first
about penny
1070
01:20:43,447 --> 01:20:45,318
was those fingernails
1071
01:20:45,362 --> 01:20:47,233
that I call
California fingernails.
1072
01:20:47,277 --> 01:20:50,193
I mean, she's that nice,
family lady,
1073
01:20:50,236 --> 01:20:53,413
and she pumps petrol,
it's her own station,
1074
01:20:53,457 --> 01:20:55,938
and she's got
these incredible fingernails.
1075
01:20:55,981 --> 01:20:58,505
-All filled.
-Thank you, penny.
1076
01:20:58,549 --> 01:21:00,203
-Thank you.
-Have a lovely day.
1077
01:21:00,246 --> 01:21:02,031
-You too.
-Isn't it gorgeous?
1078
01:21:02,074 --> 01:21:04,511
-Oh, it's beautiful.
-What's the forecast?
1079
01:21:04,555 --> 01:21:06,600
-No rain in sight.
-That's how we like it.
1080
01:21:06,644 --> 01:21:08,472
-All sunshine.
-That's how we like it.
1081
01:21:08,515 --> 01:21:09,995
-Very good.
-Bye-bye, dear.
1082
01:21:10,039 --> 01:21:12,955
-Bye-bye.
-See you.
1083
01:21:12,998 --> 01:21:14,608
Helmut was completely aware,
1084
01:21:14,652 --> 01:21:16,872
he never locked himself away
1085
01:21:16,915 --> 01:21:19,396
the way some famous people do
1086
01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:21,485
as they achieve
great recognition.
1087
01:21:21,528 --> 01:21:23,487
He was always very open
to the world.
1088
01:21:23,530 --> 01:21:26,098
And yes, fashion might've
changed and moved on
1089
01:21:26,142 --> 01:21:29,536
and we became aware of
a new generation of designers,
1090
01:21:29,580 --> 01:21:32,409
but I feel that because he was
such a brilliant photographer
1091
01:21:32,452 --> 01:21:35,194
and he had such a strong,
intelligent point of view
1092
01:21:35,238 --> 01:21:39,242
with that amazing wit,his pictures remained the same.
1093
01:21:39,285 --> 01:21:41,984
Not that they were stuck,
but the vision remained
1094
01:21:42,027 --> 01:21:44,551
totally identifiably Helmut.
1095
01:21:44,595 --> 01:21:46,814
The clothes could've changed,
the girls changed,
1096
01:21:46,858 --> 01:21:49,339
but the actual image,
you could look at any image
1097
01:21:49,382 --> 01:21:51,167
and say, "that's
a Helmut Newton photograph,"
1098
01:21:51,210 --> 01:21:52,777
and there aren't
that many photographers
1099
01:21:52,820 --> 01:21:54,387
of which you can say that.
1100
01:22:05,572 --> 01:22:08,184
Want me to take my clothes off?
1101
01:22:12,928 --> 01:22:14,973
I've been living here
for, I don't know,
1102
01:22:15,017 --> 01:22:18,194
25 or 26 years,
every year I come here,
1103
01:22:18,237 --> 01:22:19,804
and I'm very fond of it.
1104
01:24:33,068 --> 01:24:34,373
Why should I think about it?
1105
01:24:34,417 --> 01:24:36,245
When it comes,
it'll be too early
1106
01:24:36,288 --> 01:24:38,638
or it'll be too late,
whatever.
1107
01:24:38,682 --> 01:24:40,379
There's nothing I can do
about it.
1108
01:24:40,423 --> 01:24:42,338
I don't want to spend my time...
1109
01:24:42,381 --> 01:24:46,690
I believe in using my time to--
1110
01:24:46,733 --> 01:24:49,345
with things that are
more positive.
1111
01:24:49,388 --> 01:24:51,999
I don't think death,
as far as I'm concerned,
1112
01:24:52,043 --> 01:24:53,958
is positive.
1113
01:24:54,001 --> 01:24:59,529
I've been looking so long
at these pictures of you
1114
01:24:59,572 --> 01:25:03,533
that I almost believe
that they're real
1115
01:25:05,317 --> 01:25:10,583
I've been living so long
with my pictures of you
1116
01:25:10,627 --> 01:25:18,113
that I almost believe that the pictures are all I can feel
1117
01:25:18,156 --> 01:25:20,071
can't pinpoint even one thing
1118
01:25:20,115 --> 01:25:22,247
if you've lived through--
if you've lived through that--
1119
01:25:22,291 --> 01:25:25,294
if you lived through
those times, can you?
1120
01:25:25,337 --> 01:25:26,730
I mean, you're just...
1121
01:25:28,384 --> 01:25:30,212
You survive or you don't.
1122
01:25:30,255 --> 01:25:32,214
He survived and gave
us beautiful work.
1123
01:25:32,257 --> 01:25:33,911
Maybe it's, you know, inspired
1124
01:25:33,954 --> 01:25:35,956
by all sorts of things
that happened or he's seen,
1125
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:39,177
then he returns
and redoes other things.
1126
01:25:39,221 --> 01:25:42,137
I'm sure, and thank goodness.
1127
01:25:42,180 --> 01:25:44,443
So when people say,
"it shouldn't be seen,"
1128
01:25:44,487 --> 01:25:47,316
and all that, it's a travesty
1129
01:25:47,359 --> 01:25:50,232
because what we do with memory
1130
01:25:50,275 --> 01:25:53,278
and what we do with,
um, all the things
1131
01:25:53,322 --> 01:25:55,062
that we actually deny,
1132
01:25:55,106 --> 01:25:57,108
and when we go into denial
about things,
1133
01:25:57,152 --> 01:26:01,765
it's because they're too heavyto actually take on at the time,
1134
01:26:01,808 --> 01:26:04,855
and they come up through
ourselves much later on
1135
01:26:04,898 --> 01:26:08,206
and very often turn into
extraordinary form of art.
1136
01:26:08,250 --> 01:26:11,340
Not art for--
not art for Helmut.
1137
01:26:11,383 --> 01:26:13,646
Extraordinary creations.
1138
01:26:13,690 --> 01:26:15,213
What does he want us to say?
1139
01:26:15,257 --> 01:26:17,694
Extraordinary work, all right.
1140
01:26:48,899 --> 01:26:52,294
World-famous photographer
Helmut Newton died today
1141
01:26:52,337 --> 01:26:55,210
in a car crash
in West Hollywood.
1142
01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:18,233
You've done it all
1143
01:27:18,276 --> 01:27:22,498
you've broken every code
1144
01:27:22,541 --> 01:27:27,503
and pulled the rebel
to the floor
1145
01:27:29,374 --> 01:27:31,898
you spoilt the game
1146
01:27:31,942 --> 01:27:36,207
no matter what you say
1147
01:27:36,251 --> 01:27:41,386
for only metal, what a bore
1148
01:27:43,301 --> 01:27:46,565
blue eyes, blue eyes
1149
01:27:46,609 --> 01:27:52,005
how come you tell so many lies?
1150
01:27:53,442 --> 01:27:59,926
Come up and see me,
make me smile
1151
01:27:59,970 --> 01:28:06,150
or do what you want,
runnin' wild
1152
01:28:16,291 --> 01:28:21,948
There's nothing left,
all gone and run away
1153
01:28:23,428 --> 01:28:28,085
maybe you'll tarry for a while
1154
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:35,310
it's just a test,
a game for us to play
1155
01:28:37,181 --> 01:28:41,707
win or lose,
it's hard to smile
1156
01:28:43,622 --> 01:28:47,104
resist, resist
1157
01:28:47,147 --> 01:28:52,457
it's from yourself
you have to hide
1158
01:28:52,501 --> 01:28:59,421
oh, come up and see me,
to make me smile
1159
01:28:59,464 --> 01:29:06,602
oh, or do what you want,
runnin' wild
85953
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