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Previously on The West Wing:
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Vinick is a terrific debater.
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He doesn't need the debates, we do.
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We're gonna get a deal on debates
soon enough, and on our terms.
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It's a negotiating session
for presidential debates.
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Vinick could kick Santos'
abortion-loving ass all over the stage.
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Game over. Check, please.
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He wants us to get into a mud-wrestling
match with Matt Santos?
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Hope this works.
Vinick can live without debates.
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We don't get them, we're toast.
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A real debate on the issues...
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...just you and me.
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How's Sunday night?
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Hey, good evening.
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Well, we got a good audience.
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Three minutes, senator.
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This little girl's gone crazy.
Oh, I know that it takes a long time...
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I have to go downstairs
for the last minute pre-game press spin.
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- Bruno's gonna walk you to the stage.
- Yep.
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Don't worry about getting
everything in in every answer.
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We can fill in the blanks with the press
in the spin room afterwards.
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Remember, two-minute answers
followed by one-minute rebuttals.
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Moderator's option to allow
a 30-second rebuttal to a rebuttal...
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...or you can move on.
- Stupid rules too.
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Two minutes, one minute,
30 seconds. What...?
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- What can you say in 30 seconds?
- Santos negotiated to protect him...
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- Why the hell did we agree to them?
- They protect you too.
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No, they don't. They screw me up.
They make me feel stiff.
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Just...
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...be yourself.
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Don't forget to smile.
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I'm telling you, Santos is terrified
to go on that stage tonight...
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You have no idea what this feels like.
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"Terrified" doesn't begin
to describe it.
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The worst thing is to struggle
with the moderator.
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No, the worst is to forget
about everything I've come here to say...
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...every debate point I ever memorized,
every word of my opening statement.
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- You are gonna be great.
- I don't feel great.
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- You've been through tougher than this.
- Like?
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- Combat.
- Flashing yellow, you got 15 seconds.
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- Red light means...
- Let me guess.
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Vinick will hide behind the rules. No
answer to how he'll pay for his tax cuts.
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He'll run the clock out
on that one. You can too.
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If you get in a jam, use a paragraph from
your stump speech to get to the red.
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The rules are your friend, use them
so this doesn't become...
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- A debate.
- Debate. Exactly.
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Good evening, and welcome
to the first presidential debate...
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...with the Republican Party's nominee,
California senator, Arnold Vinick...
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...and the Democratic Party's nominee,
Texas congressman, Matthew Santos.
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I'm Forrest Sawyer,
and I will moderate tonight's debate...
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...following rules worked out
by representatives of the candidates.
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Now, I've agreed
to enforce their rules.
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Each candidate will have
a two-minute opening statement.
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I will then ask a series of questions,
all of them chosen by me alone.
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I have told no one what the subjects
or the questions will be.
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For each question,
there will be a two-minute answer...
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...followed by a one-minute rebuttal...
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...with the possibility
of a 30-second extension...
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...at my discretion.
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A yellow light...
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A yellow light will come on when
there are 15 seconds left in an answer.
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A flashing red means time's up...
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...and if we need it,
we have a backup buzzer.
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I think time's up on the rules, Forrest.
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Well, there's a little more,
congressman.
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Candidates may not
question each other.
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And they will have two-minute
closing statements.
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The last rule is for our audience
here in the hall:
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Now that you have had your fun...
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...they will remain silent
until the end of the debate...
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...when we can all give democracy
a big round of applause.
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And now, as determined
by the flip of a coin...
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...the first opening statement
will be from Senator Vinick.
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Thank you.
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It is truly an honor to be here tonight.
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I would...
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You know, I've watched
every televised presidential debate...
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...this country has ever had.
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And every time I heard them
recite the rules, I always thought:
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"That means they're not
gonna have a real debate."
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When the greatest hero in the history
of my party, Abraham Lincoln...
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...when he debated,
he didn't need any rules.
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He wasn't afraid of a real debate.
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I could do a two-minute version of my
"Sensible Solutions" stump speech...
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...and I'm sure Congressman Santos has
a memorized opening statement ready.
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And then we could...
We could go on with this ritual...
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...and let rules control
how much you learn...
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...about the next president
of the United States.
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Or we could have a debate
Lincoln would be proud of.
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We could junk the rules.
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We could let our able and judicious
moderator ask questions.
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We could forget whether each of us gets
the same number of seconds to speak.
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We could have a real debate.
If that's all right with you, Matt.
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According to the rules,
candidates may not...
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No, no. Please.
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You mean, like a senate debate?
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Gonna filibuster me?
Grab the microphone for the whole hour?
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No.
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No, we tell the American people
what they need to hear.
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No more, no less.
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I suspect the audience
will reward brevity.
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Okay.
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Let's have a real debate.
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Gentlemen, I just wanna be clear.
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You both want to abandon the rules
your representatives negotiated...
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...and rely on me to moderate
an open debate in a fair way?
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Yes, that's what I'm suggesting.
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- Let's do it.
- All right, then.
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I'll follow the order determined
by the coin toss.
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First question
goes to Senator Vinick.
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Senator, the governors
of Arizona and New Mexico...
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...have declared a state of emergency
on their Mexican borders...
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...because of illegal immigration.
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How would you secure
the Mexican border?
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Enforcement first. That's my policy.
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I would double the Border Patrol.
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Not just increase it, double it.
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We need to make a statement that says,
"We mean it this time."
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That we're really cracking down
on illegal immigration.
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We need that to be heard loud and clear
on the other side of the border...
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...where everyone knows how easy it is
to get into this country.
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I want everyone on the other side
to think about...
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...how hard it is
to get into this country.
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That's the kind of sensible solution you
can expect from a Vinick White House.
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Congressman Santos.
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Double the Border Patrol,
sounds good, sounds tough.
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Why not triple it?
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Why not triple it, senator?
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- Are you proposing tripling...?
- You're the one...
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...who's campaigning on
doubling the Patrol.
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- Why not triple it?
- I'm proposing doubling the Patrol...
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Oh, yeah, we heard that speech.
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- We need enforcement first.
- No... Okay.
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Why not triple the Border Patrol, sir?
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- Lf we could find room in the budget...
- I don't know how you're gonna find...
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- Please let him finish.
- Yeah.
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No, I'm finished.
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I don't know how you're going to find
room to double the Patrol...
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...with the tax cut you're proposing.
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Why not triple the Border Patrol?
I'll tell you why not.
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Because we already did.
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Since 1990, we have tripled...
Not doubled.
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We've tripled the Border Patrol
on the Mexican border.
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Don't need me to tell you
it hasn't solved the problem.
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- Lf we had more agents...
- Doubling the Patrol...
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...means that 80 percent of illegal
entries will get in instead of 90 percent.
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Don't let anyone tell you the border can
be secured by doubling the Border Patrol.
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The problem of illegal immigration
is much bigger than the Border Patrol.
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Which is why we passed
CAFTA this year.
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- Central American Free Trade Agreement.
- CAFTA will not help...
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It's a good deal for American consumers
and will create jobs in Central America.
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And the more jobs
that are created there...
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...the fewer people who will
come here looking for work.
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- That won't work, senator.
- A vote for CAFTA...
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...was a vote for our economy...
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...and a vote against illegal immigration.
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I'm proud to say
that I cast that vote in the Senate.
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How did you vote on CAFTA,
congressman?
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I don't think there's
anyone in the country...
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...who doesn't know
how I voted on CAFTA, senator.
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You've all heard it, right?
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My most famous quote
of the campaign.
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I voted for CAFTA before I voted
against it. Sounds ridiculous, doesn't it?
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I voted for CAFTA
in the Ways and Means Committee...
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...because it was a good bill.
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Then special interests went to work...
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...corporate lobbyists kept squeezing in
special provisions for their clients.
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It wasn't a free-trade bill anymore.
It certainly wasn't a fair-trade bill.
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- I voted against it.
- When was the last time...
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...you voted for a perfect bill?
- I knew...
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...that you would exploit
my voting record on CAFTA.
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I didn't make the political choice here.
I made the right choice.
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And if I had to do it over again,
I would vote exactly the same way.
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I voted for CAFTA because it would help
people in those poor countries find jobs.
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- We need...
- You cannot pretend...
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...that trade agreements
are going to solve the problem.
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Trade agreements are part of the solution,
but so is my guest-worker program.
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Now, we have to face the fact
that we have at least 10 million people...
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...who have illegally
entered this country...
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...but who are now putting in
an honest day's work.
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And they're mostly doing jobs
that Americans don't wanna do.
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We need to establish a legal system
for these workers.
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Senator, where were you when
I introduced a guest-worker program...
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...into the House six years ago?
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Where were you, sir?
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You just discovered the problem
this year, and I think we know why.
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Congressman, are you suggesting
Senator Vinick has raised...
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...Mexican border issues
in this campaign...
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...because he's running
against a Latino candidate?
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No.
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Look, I have family who have lived
in Texas since it was Mexico.
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I have other relatives
who have come here legally...
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...and, yes, some
who have come here illegally.
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I have lived this problem.
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The senator talks about how easy
it is to cross the Rio Grande.
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Tell that to the families
of the men, women and children...
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...who have died trying.
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- I'm not saying it's not tragic.
- This is not a law-enforcement problem.
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This is an economic problem.
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If Mexico's economy
was as strong as Canada's...
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...there wouldn't be a problem.
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The president
cannot solve this problem.
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You can't seal a 2000-mile border.
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Mexico has to solve it.
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Mexico has to grow its economy,
provide enough jobs...
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...so that it's not worth it
to try to cross into our borders illegally.
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There's no other solution to this. Senator
Vinick is smart enough to know that.
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And I think you are too.
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Senator Vinick.
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Senator Vinick.
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Senator, I think it's fair to say
the centerpiece of your campaign...
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...is your promise to cut taxes.
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So could you tell us specifically, sir...
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...how you would cut spending
to pay for those tax cuts?
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What do you mean
"pay" for the tax cuts?
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I mean, would you cut spending
in the same amount you cut taxes...
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...in order
to balance the budget?
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Liberals, who are opposed
to tax cuts anyway...
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...always say you can't cut taxes
until you've cut spending.
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I say we can lecture our children
about overspending...
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...until we run out of breath...
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...or we can just cut their allowance.
I'm a cut-the-allowance kind of parent.
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Well, I'm a grandparent now.
I'm a little less strict.
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Less strict than I used to be.
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All right, but I'm going to cut
Congress's allowance.
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And then I'm going to force them
to get control of spending...
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...because if they don't...
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...if they send me a budget
that's not balanced...
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...I will use this pen to veto it.
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Congressman Santos...
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Congressman Santos...
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Congressman Santos, your response.
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Well, I hope everyone noticed that
the senator did not answer the question.
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He didn't tell you
what spending he will cut.
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Would you like to try that again?
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I said I will balance the budget.
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We've seen this game before.
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See, we have a proven record
on Republican tax cuts.
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First they cut taxes.
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Then they never get around to cutting
spending, so they run up huge deficits...
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...and leave a massive debt
for our children to pay.
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If you elect me as president,
that is a game I won't play.
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You know, Congressman Santos
is running a very brave campaign.
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I have to give him that.
I have to give you credit for that.
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He's actually promising
a tax increase...
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...which is a brave thing to do because
the American people don't want it...
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...and it's the wrong thing to do because
the American people don't want it.
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But even his big tax increases
won't raise enough money...
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...to pay for the big
spending increases he's promising.
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So President Santos would have to do
exactly what he's promising not to do:
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Run up huge deficits...
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...and leave a massive debt
for our children and grandchildren to pay.
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Wrong. I am going
to balance the budget.
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Yes, I am in favor of tax increases,
but they won't affect you...
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- That's what they always tell you.
...unless you make a million a year.
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I'd like to propose to raise taxes
1 percent on incomes over a million.
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I wanna raise taxes another 2 percent
on incomes over 10 million...
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...and another 2 percent on incomes
over a hundred million dollars.
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Now, does that sound like cruel and
unusual punishment for the super rich?
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- They're paying their share.
- They're not.
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- They are.
- They're to pay 35 percent...
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...but with the loopholes
you've written into the tax code...
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...they wind up paying 23 percent,
less than I pay.
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But you're not taking into account...
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The richest of the rich, people who make
over a hundred million dollars a year...
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...don't pay close to the tax rate
they're supposed to.
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- That's what Senator Vinick calls fair?
- Gentlemen? Gentlemen?
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I'd like an answer
to my original question on spending cuts.
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Now, are either of you
prepared to specify...
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...what cuts you would make
in order to balance the budget?
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- Well, l...
- Okay, let's... Just as a hypothetical.
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Let's accept the worst-case scenario...
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...that neither of us will be able to pay
for everything we wanna do as president.
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Then your choice is between a
Republican who can't pay for tax cuts...
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...or a Democrat who can't pay
for spending increases...
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...even after raising taxes.
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I think the American people
know how to make that choice.
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Congressman Santos.
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Congressman, throughout this campaign,
you've said you wanna be...
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...the "education president."
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What does that mean? What role should
the government play in education?
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Level the playing field.
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Help close the gap between
Beverly Hills High and Harlem High.
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We've got to change a system...
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...that says the quality of your education
depends on where you live.
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Throw money at the problem.
That's the Democratic Party way.
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You wanna throw money at the border.
You think solving...
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Before you vote for someone
who thinks...
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...you can buy higher test scores
for poor students, know this:
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The highest spending
public-school system in the country...
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...has the lowest test scores.
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Washington, D.C.
Spends more than every state:
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Fifteen thousand dollars per pupil
and nothing to show for it.
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I am not talking about
just throwing money at the problem.
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I am talking about supporting
the new approaches...
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...that have already succeeded
in some school districts.
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Now, the president can spread
those good ideas around the country...
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...and make sure every student
gets the chance he or she deserves.
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Except the chance
to go to a private school.
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The Republican Congress passed
a federally-funded voucher program...
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...for Washington, D.C.
To help poor students...
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...who can't go to private schools.
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Well, we got more applications
than we could handle.
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Poor minority parents...
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...desperately wanna get their kids
out of failing public schools...
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...but the Democrats won't let them.
- Right. The big, bad Democrats...
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...don't wanna take money from
public schools to give to private schools.
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What's next? Taking money
from police departments...
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...to give to private security guards?
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The federal government
contributes about every seven cents...
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...from each dollar
that's spent on public schools.
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Now, if you enact every bit
of the Santos education plan...
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...that will go up to eight cents.
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Do you really think you get to call
yourself the "education president"...
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...if you're only gonna address
8 percent of the education budget?
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The federal share is higher than that...
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...if you take into account
the Head Start program.
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I understand why you don't include
Head Start in the total...
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...since you voted against it.
- Head Start doesn't work.
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I wish Head Start did work,
but it doesn't.
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By grade four and five...
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...Head Start graduates
do no better academically...
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...than their equally poor classmates
who didn't attend Head Start.
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So, yes,
I have voted against expansions...
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...of a six-billion-dollar program
that's not raising achievement.
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But Head Start does raise scores in the
early years, and then we let them slip.
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Our whole school system
has been slipping now for years...
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...in our ranking with other countries
in science and math achievement.
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We've gotta find a way
to turn that around.
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If we provide
school systems and teachers...
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...with everything they need
and the flexibility to experiment...
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...with fresh, new approaches...
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...I think American students
can be number one...
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...in math and science achievement
in 10 years.
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- That's a lie.
- You're the liar!
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Please. Ladies and gentlemen...
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...I think we should impose
the original rule on the audience.
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I'm going to ask you to please remain
silent for the remainder of the debate.
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And Senator Vinick... Senator Vinick...
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...we've managed to maintain
a civil tone throughout...
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...and unless we can
continue to do that...
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...I'm going to impose the original rules
on the candidates as well.
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It's a lie that every president,
Democrat and Republican...
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...has been telling for 20 years:
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"We're gonna be number one
in 10 years."
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Go ahead, Google it right now.
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I'm not saying that every president
knew it was a lie when he said it...
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...or that Congressman Santos
knows it's not true, but I do.
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So let me tell you what our goals
should be, our realistic goals.
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First of all, let's stop pretending that
everyone can or should go to college.
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Every airline needs
high-paid mechanics.
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None of them have to go to college.
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There are plumbers in the country
who make a better living than dentists.
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Now, I'm not talking
about lowering our ambitions...
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...I'm talking about
targeting our ambitions correctly.
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It's true, some other countries are doing
better academically than they used to.
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But we still have
the best scientists in the world...
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...the best doctors, the best...
By far, the most Nobel Prizes.
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And if a kid does well
in one of those foreign high schools...
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...guess where he or she
wants to go to college.
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That's right, Harvard, Stanford,
Caltech, University of Texas...
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...and a hundred other
American universities...
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...that are better than anything
they have in their countries.
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Now, if we're going to have
a practical approach to education...
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...we're going to have to admit
that not everyone can go to MIT.
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But most of the kids who do go to MIT
come from American public schools.
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So give up on Head Start,
just give up on early education...
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...and then give up
on those kids who don't test well.
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- "They'll find their way."
- I'm not gonna give up...
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You haven't proposed a single thing
that will make them better.
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Not one idea.
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I'm going to keep trying new ideas.
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Some of them might work,
some might not.
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And I will level with you about that.
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Keep the good ideas,
get rid of the bad.
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And I will not let a day go by
in the White House...
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...where I don't work hard
to try to improve our public schools.
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In fact, I'm going to stake
my presidency on that.
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Right here, right now.
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And if in four years...
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...you don't feel I've improved
public education in this country...
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...then do not vote for my re-election.
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Gentlemen...
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Gentlemen...
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Gentlemen, I would like
to turn to health care.
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Senator, there are now
45 million Americans...
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...who have no health insurance at all.
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What can the government do
to make health care affordable for them?
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Make it tax deductible. Instantly cuts
the price by as much as 35 percent.
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Happens to be one of the items
in my cut package.
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You really think tax cuts are the answer
for everything.
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- Lf it's deductible...
- It won't help at all.
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The uninsured
are in the 35-percent tax bracket...
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...not in the 10-percent bracket.
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So your deduction would only give them
a 10-percent discount.
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So then a $ 10,000 policy
would cost $9000.
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Does that sound like something
a mother of three...
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...making $30,000 a year can afford?
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So after you've raised taxes...
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...and you've enacted every bit
of the Santos health-care plan...
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...then all the health-care problems
in America will be solved, right?
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Everyone will have health insurance,
be happy?
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It will move us toward
universal health coverage...
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Toward universal coverage?
So it won't cover the 45 million...
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It will be a very large first step
toward universal coverage...
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First step. So after you've enacted the
plan that you're proposing here tonight...
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...how many people will that leave
without health insurance?
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The first stage of my plan
would cover 15 million people.
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- Fifteen million?
- Yes, 15 million...
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...which represents the biggest
increase in health coverage...
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...the government has ever provided.
- After raising taxes...
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...and creating a massive
new bureaucracy...
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...to run a complex government
health-insurance program...
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...the Santos health plan...
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...will leave 30 million people
without health insurance.
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Do you really think that Congress
is gonna let you do all that...
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...and not even cover
half the problem?
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To tell you the truth, I'm not crazy
about my health-care plan either.
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It's what I think
can get through Congress.
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My ideal plan? Very simple:
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Just delete the words "over 65"
from the Medicare statute.
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Wait... No, wait. Wait, excuse me.
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You wanna put everyone
in the country on Medicare?
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Why not? You wanna start
on the socialized-medicine rap now?
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- For starters.
- Never going to happen...
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...because Senator Vinick and...
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- Can they hear me?
- No, sir. No, sir.
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- Can I?
- No, no, no.
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Senator Vinick and the insurance
companies will never let it happen.
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But if you all had an option,
an option...
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...of using Medicare,
you could save a lot of money.
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Private health insurance companies...
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...they spend about 25 percent
of your money...
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...on administrative costs,
on paperwork.
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Do you know how much Medicare
spends on administrative costs?
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- Like to guess?
- Thirty-five percent.
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- Thirty-five percent.
- Forty percent.
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Forty percent.
Anyone wanna go higher?
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- Forty-five.
- Yeah, you see...
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...you think it would be higher
than private companies, right?
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A massive government bureaucracy...
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...can't be more efficient
than private companies.
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Republicans have been
telling you that forever.
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Two. Two percent.
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Medicare's administrative costs
are 2 percent.
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That's 23 percent lower than private
health-insurance companies and HMOs.
447
00:24:19,287 --> 00:24:21,243
The best kept secret in this country...
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...is that Medicare is the most efficient
health-care system in the world.
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If you had the option
of choosing Medicare...
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...instead of insurance companies...
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...you would save big money,
at least 20 percent.
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That's crazy.
Medicare taxes would skyrocket.
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Yes, the Medicare tax
would have to go up...
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...but it would still be lower than your
present health-care insurance premiums.
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I don't know about you,
but if you give me a choice...
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...between something called a premium
and something called a tax...
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...my question is: Which one's cheaper?
- I don't know where to begin.
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- To force everyone into a program...
- I wouldn't force anyone...
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...I would just give them the option.
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See what happens when the HMOs have
to compete with an efficient system...
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...that allows you to choose your doctor
and make your health-care decisions.
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Finished? If you have anything
sensible to say about health care...
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Coming from a guy
who has no plan at all...
464
00:25:12,047 --> 00:25:14,402
...who has spent a career saying,
"No, no, no"...
465
00:25:14,567 --> 00:25:17,479
...to every health-care reform
that has ever come to Congress...
466
00:25:17,647 --> 00:25:19,922
Do you have another one
of these microphones?
467
00:25:20,767 --> 00:25:23,679
You gentlemen aren't going
to go out in the audience, are you?
468
00:25:23,847 --> 00:25:26,202
Okay, let me leave it at this:
469
00:25:26,367 --> 00:25:31,999
I am opposed to Congressman Santos'
compromise plan and to his dream plan.
470
00:25:32,167 --> 00:25:36,877
And I pledge to you, here tonight,
I will never raise the Medicare tax.
471
00:25:37,047 --> 00:25:39,436
- Not one penny.
- Senator, you're on Medicare, right?
472
00:25:39,607 --> 00:25:41,199
I'm on the Senate health-care plan.
473
00:25:41,367 --> 00:25:43,642
And you use Medicare
as a supplement to that plan.
474
00:25:43,807 --> 00:25:46,321
- I haven't really...
- Medicare is good enough for him...
475
00:25:46,527 --> 00:25:48,757
...but it's not good enough for us?
476
00:25:48,967 --> 00:25:52,960
I'm just saying that
if we could join Medicare...
477
00:25:53,167 --> 00:25:57,240
...we could have a much cheaper,
much more efficient health-care system.
478
00:25:57,407 --> 00:25:59,716
Let me raise a related issue,
if I possibly could...
479
00:25:59,927 --> 00:26:03,124
...and that is, prescription drugs,
whose prices have been going up...
480
00:26:03,287 --> 00:26:05,676
...at more than twice
the rate of inflation.
481
00:26:05,847 --> 00:26:08,566
So do you favor reimporting
American drugs from Canada...
482
00:26:08,727 --> 00:26:10,365
...where they are much cheaper?
483
00:26:10,527 --> 00:26:12,677
You know why Canadian drugs
are cheaper?
484
00:26:12,847 --> 00:26:14,360
Why drugs are cheaper up there?
485
00:26:14,527 --> 00:26:17,519
Because the government
controls the price.
486
00:26:17,687 --> 00:26:21,566
You know how many life-saving drugs
are invented in Canada?
487
00:26:21,727 --> 00:26:24,480
None. Because the government
controls the price...
488
00:26:24,647 --> 00:26:27,366
Canadian laboratories have helped
to create important drugs.
489
00:26:27,527 --> 00:26:29,165
Nothing like the miraculous drugs...
490
00:26:29,327 --> 00:26:32,000
...that the American industry
has given to the world.
491
00:26:32,167 --> 00:26:35,557
"Given to the world"? I guess you
haven't seen their price lists lately.
492
00:26:38,927 --> 00:26:43,159
Not long ago, if you were HIV-positive
in this country...
493
00:26:43,327 --> 00:26:46,444
...you were marked for death.
Not anymore.
494
00:26:46,607 --> 00:26:49,326
And that's thanks to
the American pharmaceutical companies.
495
00:26:49,487 --> 00:26:54,959
In the 1970s, the most common cause
of surgery was for ulcers.
496
00:26:55,167 --> 00:26:57,681
Now, you get an ulcer, you take a pill.
497
00:26:57,847 --> 00:26:59,644
Is it an expensive pill? Yes.
498
00:26:59,807 --> 00:27:03,163
Yeah, a dollar seems like
a lot to pay for a pill.
499
00:27:03,607 --> 00:27:08,635
But how does a dollar a day sound
compared to a $40,000 surgery bill?
500
00:27:08,807 --> 00:27:11,446
So are prescription drugs expensive?
Yes.
501
00:27:11,967 --> 00:27:13,764
Do they save us
from getting hit with...
502
00:27:13,927 --> 00:27:16,919
...much more expensive
hospital bills? Yes.
503
00:27:17,127 --> 00:27:20,085
Do they save lives? Yes.
504
00:27:20,247 --> 00:27:25,321
American pharmaceutical companies
save us money and they save lives...
505
00:27:25,487 --> 00:27:28,001
...and the Democrats
can't stop attacking them.
506
00:27:28,167 --> 00:27:30,362
Why should
the pharmaceutical industry...
507
00:27:30,527 --> 00:27:33,599
...get protection that no other
American industry gets?
508
00:27:33,767 --> 00:27:36,406
We can buy anything else from Canada,
why not drugs?
509
00:27:36,567 --> 00:27:39,957
- Canadian price controls are not fair to...
- They're not fair?
510
00:27:40,167 --> 00:27:43,125
Is it fair that AIDS victims
have been dying in Africa...
511
00:27:43,287 --> 00:27:46,085
...because drug companies
have been protecting their profits?
512
00:27:46,247 --> 00:27:48,886
Drug makers have lowered
their prices in Africa.
513
00:27:49,047 --> 00:27:50,526
Only after we have pushed them.
514
00:27:50,687 --> 00:27:54,680
And they're still not low enough to get
to every person who really needs them.
515
00:27:54,847 --> 00:27:58,681
People are not dying in Africa
because of drug companies.
516
00:27:59,407 --> 00:28:01,921
They're dying because
they don't have clean water...
517
00:28:02,087 --> 00:28:05,636
...because they don't have a basic
infrastructure for a health-care system...
518
00:28:05,807 --> 00:28:08,082
...and because they have
corrupt leaders...
519
00:28:08,247 --> 00:28:12,160
...who frequently prevent our help from
getting to the sick people who need it.
520
00:28:12,367 --> 00:28:14,437
Yes, health-care delivery
in Africa is weak...
521
00:28:14,607 --> 00:28:18,885
...which is why we have to provide
full-scale debt relief for those countries...
522
00:28:19,047 --> 00:28:22,756
...so that they can concentrate on
building up their basic infrastructure...
523
00:28:22,967 --> 00:28:26,004
...instead of the burden
of repaying loans to rich countries.
524
00:28:26,167 --> 00:28:28,920
Debt relief's a nice idea,
but it won't help.
525
00:28:29,087 --> 00:28:31,078
It'll just formalize the reality...
526
00:28:31,247 --> 00:28:33,966
...that poor countries
can never repay their loans.
527
00:28:34,127 --> 00:28:37,642
Are you saying that you're opposed to
debt relief for impoverished countries?
528
00:28:37,807 --> 00:28:41,516
We should forgive the debts, but
that's not gonna help those countries.
529
00:28:41,687 --> 00:28:43,643
Okay, what will?
530
00:28:43,807 --> 00:28:45,684
Tax cuts.
531
00:28:54,407 --> 00:28:57,205
Some African tax rates
are the highest in the world.
532
00:28:58,447 --> 00:29:00,881
In Tanzania
the 30-percent rate kicks in...
533
00:29:01,047 --> 00:29:04,562
...at $475 of income.
534
00:29:04,727 --> 00:29:10,165
They have a 20 percent value-added tax
that gets added to everything you buy.
535
00:29:10,607 --> 00:29:15,522
Those high tax rates make it impossible
to build capital in those countries...
536
00:29:15,687 --> 00:29:20,203
...so nothing gets built, not factories,
not roads, not anything.
537
00:29:20,727 --> 00:29:26,085
Poor African countries have
the lowest-wage workers in the world...
538
00:29:26,287 --> 00:29:28,482
...and yet a company like Nike,
for instance...
539
00:29:28,647 --> 00:29:31,480
...can't put a factory
in one of those countries...
540
00:29:31,647 --> 00:29:33,558
...because of the oppressive tax rates.
541
00:29:33,727 --> 00:29:38,801
Taxes have killed any possibility
of economic development.
542
00:29:38,967 --> 00:29:41,845
They've killed any hope of
these countries helping themselves.
543
00:29:42,007 --> 00:29:43,406
Helping themselves.
544
00:29:43,567 --> 00:29:45,239
And that leaves them...
545
00:29:45,407 --> 00:29:49,161
...completely at the mercy
of charity and loans.
546
00:29:49,807 --> 00:29:51,320
And here...
547
00:29:52,207 --> 00:29:56,200
Here's the worst part. You know why
those countries have such high tax rates?
548
00:29:56,367 --> 00:29:58,597
Because of us.
549
00:30:00,287 --> 00:30:04,041
To show us that they can raise
enough money to pay back their loans.
550
00:30:04,207 --> 00:30:08,564
But taxes can't raise any money
if they kill the economies.
551
00:30:09,087 --> 00:30:11,362
So it turns out...
552
00:30:11,527 --> 00:30:15,440
...that the tragic unintended
consequence of our good intentions...
553
00:30:15,607 --> 00:30:18,167
...toward Africa, our kindness...
554
00:30:18,327 --> 00:30:22,400
...is that we have encouraged
those countries to lock themselves...
555
00:30:22,567 --> 00:30:25,684
...into a gruesome
economic depression.
556
00:30:27,007 --> 00:30:30,044
If we don't urge those countries
to cut their tax rates...
557
00:30:30,247 --> 00:30:33,125
...they will never
grow their economies.
558
00:30:33,287 --> 00:30:37,280
People will live lifetimes
of unemployment.
559
00:30:37,607 --> 00:30:40,326
Disease will be rampant.
Poverty will be permanent...
560
00:30:40,527 --> 00:30:42,916
...and children will be hungry.
561
00:30:43,647 --> 00:30:46,684
And our charity will never be enough.
562
00:30:46,847 --> 00:30:48,439
Never.
563
00:30:53,247 --> 00:30:56,683
Gentlemen, I'd like to come to
the question of jobs right here at home.
564
00:30:56,847 --> 00:30:59,281
Congressman,
an awful lot of people are afraid...
565
00:30:59,447 --> 00:31:03,122
...that their jobs are gonna be
outsourced or they're gonna be lost...
566
00:31:03,727 --> 00:31:06,366
...in another round of belt tightening
at their companies.
567
00:31:06,527 --> 00:31:10,042
So, what will you do
to increase job security?
568
00:31:10,247 --> 00:31:12,203
We already have a program called...
569
00:31:12,367 --> 00:31:14,403
...the Trade Adjustment
Assistance Program...
570
00:31:14,567 --> 00:31:17,001
...which provides job retraining
to those workers...
571
00:31:17,167 --> 00:31:19,078
...who've lost their jobs
to foreign trade.
572
00:31:19,247 --> 00:31:20,919
As president, I would add to that...
573
00:31:21,087 --> 00:31:23,999
...any workers who lose their jobs
to outsourcing.
574
00:31:24,167 --> 00:31:25,964
My economic program...
575
00:31:26,167 --> 00:31:29,716
...and my plan to keep
American workers competitive...
576
00:31:29,887 --> 00:31:34,244
...will keep on building on President
Bartlet's extraordinary job record...
577
00:31:34,407 --> 00:31:36,602
...and I think it'll keep us on track...
578
00:31:36,767 --> 00:31:40,316
...to create a million jobs by the end
of my first term of presidency.
579
00:31:40,487 --> 00:31:41,920
- A million jobs?
- That's right.
580
00:31:42,087 --> 00:31:44,601
How many jobs would you create
in your first term?
581
00:31:44,807 --> 00:31:46,160
None.
582
00:31:48,887 --> 00:31:51,845
In fact, I'll cut jobs.
583
00:31:52,287 --> 00:31:55,643
I will reduce the number of jobs
in the federal government.
584
00:31:55,807 --> 00:31:58,321
I know I am supposed to tell you
that my tax cuts...
585
00:31:58,487 --> 00:32:02,321
...will stimulate the economy
and therefore create jobs.
586
00:32:03,207 --> 00:32:05,277
Entrepreneurs create jobs.
587
00:32:05,447 --> 00:32:06,960
Business creates jobs.
588
00:32:07,127 --> 00:32:09,163
The president's job
is to get out of the way.
589
00:32:09,327 --> 00:32:11,887
Do you want a president
who will get out of their way...
590
00:32:12,047 --> 00:32:14,641
...when executives are plundering
a company like Enron?
591
00:32:14,807 --> 00:32:18,083
I'll go after corporate criminals.
My running mate, Ray Sullivan...
592
00:32:18,247 --> 00:32:21,398
...was very tough on white-collar crime
when he was a prosecutor.
593
00:32:21,567 --> 00:32:23,637
And my attorney general
will be just as tough.
594
00:32:23,807 --> 00:32:27,004
Do you want a president
who will get out of the way...
595
00:32:27,167 --> 00:32:30,716
...when airline executives are putting
their companies up to bankruptcy...
596
00:32:30,887 --> 00:32:33,321
...so that they can avoid
pension responsibilities...
597
00:32:33,487 --> 00:32:36,445
...to the workers who have given
their lives to these companies?
598
00:32:36,607 --> 00:32:39,963
Some of our major and older airlines...
599
00:32:40,127 --> 00:32:43,199
...are having trouble meeting
their huge pension obligations...
600
00:32:43,367 --> 00:32:48,043
...at the very same time that they're
under intense, intense competition...
601
00:32:48,207 --> 00:32:53,804
...from low-cost airlines that are so new
they don't yet have pensions to pay.
602
00:32:54,007 --> 00:32:57,682
Now, an unthinking liberal
will describe the airline bankruptcies...
603
00:32:57,847 --> 00:33:00,122
...as the evil capitalists
screwing the worker...
604
00:33:00,287 --> 00:33:02,403
I don't think you should
put words in my mouth.
605
00:33:02,567 --> 00:33:06,685
No, I know you didn't say it.
You're not an unthinking liberal. Are you?
606
00:33:07,687 --> 00:33:11,999
I know you like to use
that word "liberal" as if it were a crime.
607
00:33:12,167 --> 00:33:14,283
No, I'm sorry.
I shouldn't have used that word.
608
00:33:14,447 --> 00:33:16,722
I know Democrats think liberal
is a bad word.
609
00:33:16,887 --> 00:33:18,684
So bad you had to change it,
didn't you?
610
00:33:18,847 --> 00:33:20,963
What do you call yourselves,
"progressives"?
611
00:33:21,127 --> 00:33:24,915
It's true, Republicans have tried
to turn "liberal" into a bad word.
612
00:33:25,087 --> 00:33:28,397
Well, liberals ended slavery
in this country.
613
00:33:33,567 --> 00:33:36,400
A Republican president ended slavery.
614
00:33:36,567 --> 00:33:40,162
Yes, a liberal Republican.
615
00:33:40,687 --> 00:33:42,564
What happened to them?
616
00:33:43,327 --> 00:33:45,921
They got run out of your party.
617
00:33:46,247 --> 00:33:49,364
What did liberals do that was
so offensive to the Republican Party?
618
00:33:49,567 --> 00:33:53,640
I'll tell you what they did.
Liberals got women the right to vote.
619
00:33:53,807 --> 00:33:56,480
Liberals got African-Americans
the right to vote.
620
00:33:56,647 --> 00:33:58,365
Liberals created Social Security...
621
00:33:58,527 --> 00:34:01,121
...and lifted millions of elderly people
out of poverty.
622
00:34:01,287 --> 00:34:02,845
Liberals ended segregation.
623
00:34:03,007 --> 00:34:06,636
Liberals passed the Civil Rights Act,
the Voting Rights Act.
624
00:34:06,807 --> 00:34:08,081
Liberals created Medicare.
625
00:34:08,887 --> 00:34:11,959
Liberals passed the Clean Air Act,
the Clean Water Act.
626
00:34:12,127 --> 00:34:13,958
What did conservatives do?
627
00:34:14,127 --> 00:34:18,518
They opposed every one
of those programs. Every one.
628
00:34:18,687 --> 00:34:22,123
So when you try to hurl
that word "liberal" at my feet...
629
00:34:22,287 --> 00:34:24,847
...as if it were dirty,
something to run away from...
630
00:34:25,007 --> 00:34:27,316
...something that I'm ashamed of,
it won't work.
631
00:34:27,487 --> 00:34:31,924
Because I will pick up that label,
and I will wear it as a badge of honor.
632
00:34:34,287 --> 00:34:35,720
It is...
633
00:34:40,527 --> 00:34:42,165
Please.
634
00:34:42,407 --> 00:34:44,318
It is, I believe,
a Republican governor...
635
00:34:44,487 --> 00:34:48,002
...who has imposed a moratorium
on the death penalty in Illinois.
636
00:34:48,167 --> 00:34:50,886
And so, congressman,
would you favor a moratorium...
637
00:34:51,047 --> 00:34:53,959
...on the federal death penalty.
- Yes.
638
00:34:55,207 --> 00:34:57,767
- That's it?
- That's it.
639
00:34:58,407 --> 00:35:00,682
Okay. Senator?
640
00:35:01,207 --> 00:35:02,435
No.
641
00:35:03,287 --> 00:35:04,925
That's it?
642
00:35:06,607 --> 00:35:09,724
- I think we've covered that one.
- All right, sir.
643
00:35:10,887 --> 00:35:16,405
Senator Vinick, let me try gun control.
Do we need more of it?
644
00:35:16,607 --> 00:35:18,996
No, the Constitution gives us
the right to bear arms.
645
00:35:19,167 --> 00:35:21,123
It's not up to the president to choose...
646
00:35:21,287 --> 00:35:24,324
...which law-abiding citizens
the Constitution applies to.
647
00:35:24,487 --> 00:35:27,126
- Congressman Santos?
- Forget about more gun control.
648
00:35:27,287 --> 00:35:29,243
What we need is bullet control.
649
00:35:29,407 --> 00:35:34,003
That's right. There are at least
200,000,000 guns in this country.
650
00:35:34,167 --> 00:35:37,239
I own three of them.
We cannot control the supply of guns...
651
00:35:37,407 --> 00:35:40,399
...but we can control
the supply of ammunition.
652
00:35:40,567 --> 00:35:43,400
Buying bullets shouldn't be easier
than buying a plane ticket.
653
00:35:43,567 --> 00:35:45,797
We should license the purchase
of ammunition.
654
00:35:45,967 --> 00:35:48,356
There should be a clear record...
655
00:35:48,527 --> 00:35:51,280
...an ID record,
of every purchase of handgun ammo.
656
00:35:51,447 --> 00:35:53,881
In the 21st century,
homicide detectives...
657
00:35:54,047 --> 00:35:56,242
...should be able to trace
every fired bullet...
658
00:35:56,407 --> 00:36:00,161
...back to the buyer in minutes.
- Gentlemen, let's turn to energy.
659
00:36:00,327 --> 00:36:03,956
We have seen record-high
gasoline prices this year.
660
00:36:04,127 --> 00:36:07,358
Is this a glimpse of an even worse future
if we don't adopt a policy...
661
00:36:07,527 --> 00:36:10,325
...that allows us to meet
our energy needs...
662
00:36:10,487 --> 00:36:12,125
...at reasonable prices?
Congressman?
663
00:36:12,287 --> 00:36:15,597
Well, obviously, it is time for us
to get really serious...
664
00:36:15,767 --> 00:36:18,884
...about developing
alternative energy sources...
665
00:36:19,047 --> 00:36:22,084
...and stop letting the oil companies
dictate our energy policy...
666
00:36:22,247 --> 00:36:25,284
...while racking up profits.
- There you go, the Democratic line.
667
00:36:25,447 --> 00:36:27,563
Attack big business,
attack the oil companies...
668
00:36:27,767 --> 00:36:29,598
- I'm not attacking them.
- Yes, you are.
669
00:36:29,767 --> 00:36:31,598
I understand that the oil companies...
670
00:36:31,767 --> 00:36:33,883
...have given a lot of money
to your campaign...
671
00:36:34,087 --> 00:36:36,317
So I'm their puppet?
Is that what you're saying?
672
00:36:36,487 --> 00:36:38,045
- They own me?
- Let's get back to...
673
00:36:38,207 --> 00:36:40,357
He doesn't get to smear me
and then move on.
674
00:36:40,527 --> 00:36:42,722
- I didn't smear you...
- That's what you're doing.
675
00:36:42,887 --> 00:36:46,197
- Let's just take a breath if we could...
- No, let's talk about the money.
676
00:36:46,367 --> 00:36:48,756
He raised it.
I think I have a right to respond.
677
00:36:51,327 --> 00:36:53,318
All right, sir, go ahead.
678
00:36:54,527 --> 00:36:57,564
I've disclosed the name of every one
of the 220,000 people...
679
00:36:57,727 --> 00:36:59,524
...who have contributed
to my campaign.
680
00:36:59,687 --> 00:37:03,202
There are no secrets about
where my campaign money comes from.
681
00:37:03,407 --> 00:37:06,365
Now, some of my contributors
work for oil companies.
682
00:37:06,527 --> 00:37:08,961
Liberals want you to think that's evil.
683
00:37:09,127 --> 00:37:11,163
They want you to think
you can't be a good American...
684
00:37:11,327 --> 00:37:13,204
...if you work for an oil company.
685
00:37:13,807 --> 00:37:16,560
I can remember when people
were condemned in this country...
686
00:37:16,727 --> 00:37:18,160
...for what they thought.
687
00:37:18,327 --> 00:37:20,966
Condemned for
their political positions.
688
00:37:21,127 --> 00:37:23,687
Liberals fought the noble fight
against that witch-hunt.
689
00:37:23,847 --> 00:37:27,078
Liberals said that was un-American,
and they were right.
690
00:37:27,487 --> 00:37:30,718
Now liberals wanna condemn people
because of where they work.
691
00:37:30,887 --> 00:37:35,165
I've got relatives working
all over the oil fields of Texas.
692
00:37:35,327 --> 00:37:38,524
I am just saying that
your positions on energy, senator...
693
00:37:38,687 --> 00:37:40,917
...are exactly what
oil companies wanna hear...
694
00:37:41,087 --> 00:37:43,601
...which is why they've given
so much money to you.
695
00:37:43,767 --> 00:37:48,522
And your positions on spending,
on creating more government jobs...
696
00:37:48,687 --> 00:37:51,645
...they're exactly what the public
employee unions wanna hear...
697
00:37:51,807 --> 00:37:54,480
...and that's why they've
poured money into your campaign.
698
00:37:54,647 --> 00:37:56,285
Talk about conflict of interest.
699
00:37:56,447 --> 00:37:59,837
- Throwing cheap accusations around...
- I'm gonna have to stop it there...
700
00:38:00,047 --> 00:38:01,480
Senator!
701
00:38:03,687 --> 00:38:05,837
- Now...
- I'm sorry.
702
00:38:06,927 --> 00:38:08,519
Unless you're prepared to prove...
703
00:38:08,727 --> 00:38:11,446
...not just accuse,
but prove with facts...
704
00:38:11,647 --> 00:38:15,003
...that your opponent is influenced
by campaign contributions...
705
00:38:15,167 --> 00:38:16,964
...let's agree to move on.
706
00:38:19,607 --> 00:38:21,040
Congressman Santos, you said...
707
00:38:21,207 --> 00:38:23,641
...that we have to reduce
dependence on foreign oil.
708
00:38:23,807 --> 00:38:27,561
So why not agree to drill in Alaska's
Arctic National Wildlife Refuge?
709
00:38:27,727 --> 00:38:30,560
Because we cannot drill our way
to energy independence.
710
00:38:30,727 --> 00:38:34,720
There's only about a year's worth of oil
underneath there.
711
00:38:34,887 --> 00:38:38,641
I don't think that's worth disrupting
a million years of ecological balance...
712
00:38:38,807 --> 00:38:41,401
...in a unique
and spectacular wilderness.
713
00:38:41,567 --> 00:38:45,879
That ecosystem is much more valuable
than the oil that's underneath it.
714
00:38:46,047 --> 00:38:48,925
The pathway to a better,
more sustainable energy future...
715
00:38:49,087 --> 00:38:51,806
...does not go through
the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
716
00:38:51,967 --> 00:38:54,117
- Senator?
- A year's worth of oil?
717
00:38:54,287 --> 00:38:55,925
That sounds like a lot to me.
718
00:38:56,087 --> 00:38:58,521
There could be more there.
There could be much more.
719
00:38:58,687 --> 00:39:01,963
I mean, we'll never know
until we get in there and start drilling.
720
00:39:02,127 --> 00:39:05,278
Now, I'm sure it's a beautiful place.
Have you ever been there?
721
00:39:06,367 --> 00:39:08,642
- No.
- No, I haven't either. Have you? Anyone?
722
00:39:09,887 --> 00:39:14,199
Clap if you've been
to the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
723
00:39:15,647 --> 00:39:20,004
See? And that's about how many people
are ever going to go to ANWR: None.
724
00:39:20,167 --> 00:39:23,284
Well, maybe a few very rich people
with a private airplane...
725
00:39:23,447 --> 00:39:26,325
...could get up there in the summer
and snap some pictures.
726
00:39:26,487 --> 00:39:30,162
This isn't the Grand Canyon
we're talking about here.
727
00:39:30,327 --> 00:39:32,716
How many people
have been to the Grand Canyon?
728
00:39:36,927 --> 00:39:40,476
If they discovered big oil reserves
at the Grand Canyon...
729
00:39:40,647 --> 00:39:42,285
...I'd never let them drill there...
730
00:39:42,447 --> 00:39:46,360
...because that's our most magnificent
natural monument...
731
00:39:46,527 --> 00:39:48,677
...and because real people
get to go there.
732
00:39:48,847 --> 00:39:50,917
They get to see it,
they get to touch it...
733
00:39:51,087 --> 00:39:53,555
...they get to experience it
in all its glory.
734
00:39:54,407 --> 00:39:57,001
Now, we're talking about a country
that has oil wells...
735
00:39:57,167 --> 00:40:00,398
...within sight of the beautiful beaches
of Santa Barbara.
736
00:40:00,567 --> 00:40:04,321
Oil wells within sight
of every Texas beach.
737
00:40:04,647 --> 00:40:08,401
There are thousands of operating
oil wells in the city of Los Angeles.
738
00:40:08,767 --> 00:40:11,804
I saw an oil well in the parking lot
of a McDonald's...
739
00:40:11,967 --> 00:40:14,322
...in Long Beach, just the other day.
740
00:40:15,047 --> 00:40:20,246
The Democrats are saying we can't
put oil wells in a place so remote...
741
00:40:20,407 --> 00:40:22,125
...that only animals will see them?
742
00:40:22,287 --> 00:40:24,357
I wish we could put
all our oil wells there...
743
00:40:24,527 --> 00:40:26,483
...where no one will ever see them.
744
00:40:26,887 --> 00:40:28,605
Congressman...
745
00:40:29,567 --> 00:40:31,239
Congressman...
746
00:40:32,727 --> 00:40:34,957
There are other approaches.
Would you support...
747
00:40:35,127 --> 00:40:36,765
...building nuclear power plants...
748
00:40:36,927 --> 00:40:39,361
...to reduce our dependence
on foreign energy sources?
749
00:40:39,807 --> 00:40:42,844
No. No, we still haven't...
750
00:40:43,007 --> 00:40:46,966
We still have not figured out what to do
with the radioactive waste...
751
00:40:47,127 --> 00:40:50,358
...from plants we already have.
- Nuclear power is a completely safe...
752
00:40:50,527 --> 00:40:51,960
...dependable energy source.
753
00:40:52,127 --> 00:40:54,118
- Of course we should build more.
- Safe?
754
00:40:54,327 --> 00:40:58,115
I don't wanna be an alarmist here,
but there are plenty of safety concerns.
755
00:40:58,287 --> 00:40:59,925
That's why we stopped
building them.
756
00:41:00,127 --> 00:41:02,357
The government
should be supporting...
757
00:41:02,527 --> 00:41:05,041
...the development
of alternative energy sources...
758
00:41:05,207 --> 00:41:09,166
...and all of the new technologies
like solar power, wind power...
759
00:41:09,327 --> 00:41:12,399
...and all of the other new,
safer alternatives to nuclear power.
760
00:41:12,567 --> 00:41:14,000
How about that, senator?
761
00:41:14,167 --> 00:41:16,476
Government support
of alternative energy sources.
762
00:41:16,647 --> 00:41:20,560
I don't trust politicians to choose
the right new energy sources.
763
00:41:20,727 --> 00:41:22,399
I believe in the free market.
764
00:41:23,207 --> 00:41:25,516
The government didn't switch us
from whale oil...
765
00:41:25,687 --> 00:41:28,121
...to the oil found under the ground.
766
00:41:28,287 --> 00:41:29,959
The market did that.
767
00:41:30,367 --> 00:41:33,757
The government didn't make the Prius
the hottest selling car in Hollywood.
768
00:41:33,927 --> 00:41:35,565
That was the market that did that.
769
00:41:35,727 --> 00:41:39,845
You know, in L.A. Now, the coolest
thing you can drive is a hybrid.
770
00:41:40,007 --> 00:41:44,762
Well, if the free market can do that
in the most car-crazed culture on Earth...
771
00:41:44,927 --> 00:41:48,283
...then I trust the free market
to solve our energy problems.
772
00:41:48,487 --> 00:41:50,398
You know... You know...
773
00:41:50,567 --> 00:41:53,957
...the market has the power
to change the way we think...
774
00:41:54,127 --> 00:41:56,118
...to change what we want.
775
00:41:56,567 --> 00:41:58,842
The government can't do that.
776
00:41:59,007 --> 00:42:00,963
That's why the market
has always been...
777
00:42:01,127 --> 00:42:03,243
...a better problem solver
than the government.
778
00:42:03,407 --> 00:42:06,683
- And it always will be.
- While you're trusting the market...
779
00:42:06,847 --> 00:42:09,407
...we're burning fossil fuels
more and more every day.
780
00:42:09,567 --> 00:42:11,956
Global warming is melting
the polar icecaps.
781
00:42:12,167 --> 00:42:14,317
Same people who told you
we'd run out of oil...
782
00:42:14,487 --> 00:42:15,920
...by the end of the century...
783
00:42:16,087 --> 00:42:19,682
...are scaring us with warming theories...
- Theories?
784
00:42:20,047 --> 00:42:22,959
Yeah, global-warming theories.
That's all it is.
785
00:42:23,127 --> 00:42:26,517
You don't think that there is
a consensus going about...
786
00:42:26,687 --> 00:42:29,076
...that global warming
is melting the polar icecaps?
787
00:42:29,247 --> 00:42:32,717
An increase of one degree in the Earth's
temperature in the last 100 years.
788
00:42:32,887 --> 00:42:34,718
- Gentlemen.
- You don't understand.
789
00:42:34,887 --> 00:42:37,560
- Gentleman! Gentleman!
- Absolutely, l...
790
00:42:38,127 --> 00:42:39,685
We're running short of time...
791
00:42:39,847 --> 00:42:43,362
...and I would like to ask
one final question on energy.
792
00:42:43,567 --> 00:42:46,400
We'll be dependent on foreign
energy sources for some time.
793
00:42:46,567 --> 00:42:48,876
So, what can you do to assure...
794
00:42:49,047 --> 00:42:51,925
...a dependable supply of oil?
Congressman?
795
00:42:52,847 --> 00:42:55,520
Well, let me start by saying
what I would not do...
796
00:42:55,687 --> 00:42:58,485
...because it is the most important part
of my energy policy.
797
00:42:58,647 --> 00:43:02,765
- I will never go to war for oil. Never.
- Please.
798
00:43:03,927 --> 00:43:05,406
Please.
799
00:43:06,167 --> 00:43:12,117
And I would like to invite Senator Vinick
to join me in that pledge.
800
00:43:12,327 --> 00:43:13,726
Ladies and gentlemen...
801
00:43:13,887 --> 00:43:17,118
Ladies and gentlemen, would you like to
listen to yourselves applaud...
802
00:43:17,287 --> 00:43:21,439
...or listen to the candidates speak?
Please. Senator?
803
00:43:22,567 --> 00:43:24,125
It's ridiculous to suggest...
804
00:43:24,287 --> 00:43:28,246
...that we would ever have to go to war
to assure our oil supply.
805
00:43:28,407 --> 00:43:31,604
Oil is a commodity.
It's traded on a world market.
806
00:43:31,767 --> 00:43:35,282
You don't have to shoot anyone
to get it, you just have to pay for it.
807
00:43:35,447 --> 00:43:38,120
And by the way, you know... All right.
808
00:43:38,287 --> 00:43:41,404
Do you know who our
biggest supplier of foreign oil is?
809
00:43:41,567 --> 00:43:44,127
- Saudi Arabia!
- No, no. Wrong.
810
00:43:44,327 --> 00:43:45,760
Canada.
811
00:43:45,927 --> 00:43:49,124
So let's stop the hysterical talk
about the evils of foreign oil.
812
00:43:49,287 --> 00:43:53,883
If it's ridiculous to even think of going
to war for oil, then join me in my pledge.
813
00:43:54,047 --> 00:43:56,003
No. That'd be like
going to war for sugar.
814
00:43:56,167 --> 00:43:58,442
Do you wanna
take a pledge against that too?
815
00:43:58,647 --> 00:44:01,844
You know, the oil-exporting companies...
The countries...
816
00:44:02,007 --> 00:44:05,682
The countries who export oil,
they have to sell it to survive.
817
00:44:05,847 --> 00:44:08,919
They need us to buy it. They couldn't
cut us off if they wanted to.
818
00:44:09,127 --> 00:44:11,960
Will you join me
in the pledge, senator?
819
00:44:13,767 --> 00:44:15,519
I will not demean the presidency...
820
00:44:15,687 --> 00:44:19,362
...by taking any pledge
other than the oath of office.
821
00:44:19,647 --> 00:44:22,844
Gentlemen, we have just
a very few minutes left.
822
00:44:23,007 --> 00:44:25,919
Now, would you like to use that
for your closing statements?
823
00:44:28,247 --> 00:44:30,124
- Yes.
- All right, then.
824
00:44:30,287 --> 00:44:32,562
According to the coin toss,
the first statement...
825
00:44:32,727 --> 00:44:35,082
...is from Congressman Santos.
826
00:44:35,487 --> 00:44:39,196
Well, Senator Vinick was eager
to take a pledge about taxes...
827
00:44:39,367 --> 00:44:41,403
...but taking a pledge
about anything else...
828
00:44:41,567 --> 00:44:44,718
...is beneath the dignity
of the presidency.
829
00:44:44,927 --> 00:44:47,487
A president has to lead.
830
00:44:47,647 --> 00:44:49,763
He has to actively
head off problems...
831
00:44:49,927 --> 00:44:52,566
...not just hope the market
will figure out everything.
832
00:44:53,007 --> 00:44:55,919
It's the free market
that Senator Vinick trusts so much...
833
00:44:56,087 --> 00:44:59,045
...that has left 45 million people
without health insurance.
834
00:44:59,447 --> 00:45:03,486
To his credit, the senator's very honest
about having no health-care plan...
835
00:45:03,847 --> 00:45:06,964
...no education plan, no jobs plan,
no energy plan.
836
00:45:07,127 --> 00:45:09,766
All he has is a tax plan.
837
00:45:09,927 --> 00:45:13,363
After he cuts taxes, what's he going
to do for the next four years?
838
00:45:14,447 --> 00:45:16,119
Tax cuts...
839
00:45:16,287 --> 00:45:18,881
Tax cuts are not a magic wand...
840
00:45:19,047 --> 00:45:21,880
...that you can wave
at every problem.
841
00:45:22,047 --> 00:45:24,925
Senator Vinick was very quick
to attack my plans.
842
00:45:25,087 --> 00:45:28,477
But the presidency is about more
than saying, "No, no, no."
843
00:45:28,647 --> 00:45:32,720
You have to say yes to something.
You have to do something.
844
00:45:33,447 --> 00:45:35,358
We don't have time
for me to remind you...
845
00:45:35,527 --> 00:45:37,836
...of every policy difference
you've heard tonight.
846
00:45:38,007 --> 00:45:40,885
But when you go to work tomorrow...
847
00:45:41,047 --> 00:45:43,322
...and you're talking
about this debate...
848
00:45:43,567 --> 00:45:46,479
...talk about the qualities
that you want in a president...
849
00:45:47,167 --> 00:45:49,237
...the leadership qualities.
850
00:45:49,407 --> 00:45:52,160
Ask yourselves,
"Is Matt Santos the kind of guy...
851
00:45:52,327 --> 00:45:55,205
...who's going to give up on promises
that he's made to you...
852
00:45:55,367 --> 00:45:57,835
...because it's gonna be too tough
to get them done?"
853
00:45:58,607 --> 00:46:00,677
Talk about what it was like
for Matt Santos...
854
00:46:00,847 --> 00:46:04,681
...to go from where he was baptized,
45 years ago, in San Antonio...
855
00:46:04,847 --> 00:46:07,042
...to where he's standing tonight.
856
00:46:07,487 --> 00:46:10,365
Ask yourselves what it takes
to do that.
857
00:46:10,727 --> 00:46:13,036
And then ask yourselves
if you're ready...
858
00:46:13,207 --> 00:46:16,517
...to give Matt Santos
the presidency of the United States.
859
00:46:17,527 --> 00:46:21,645
You know, you've seen the stories
in newspapers.
860
00:46:21,807 --> 00:46:23,399
All over the world, they're asking:
861
00:46:23,567 --> 00:46:25,478
"Is America ready
for a Latino president?"
862
00:46:25,647 --> 00:46:28,161
I never asked that question.
863
00:46:28,327 --> 00:46:31,842
I never asked if Annapolis was ready
for a Latino midshipman.
864
00:46:32,047 --> 00:46:35,198
I never asked if the Marines
were ready for a Latino fighter pilot.
865
00:46:35,367 --> 00:46:38,757
I didn't have to ask.
I just had to prove that I was ready...
866
00:46:38,927 --> 00:46:40,440
...that I could get the job done.
867
00:46:41,567 --> 00:46:44,081
I am asking for your vote now...
868
00:46:44,247 --> 00:46:47,478
...because I know
I am ready to do the job.
869
00:46:47,847 --> 00:46:49,360
I thank you.
870
00:47:03,167 --> 00:47:05,362
Senator Vinick,
your closing statement.
871
00:47:05,527 --> 00:47:08,246
First, I wanna thank Matt
for agreeing to drop the rules...
872
00:47:08,407 --> 00:47:11,160
...and letting us have
a real debate tonight.
873
00:47:11,327 --> 00:47:13,318
And what you've heard...
874
00:47:13,487 --> 00:47:16,524
...over and above the many
important policy differences...
875
00:47:16,687 --> 00:47:19,520
...were different philosophies
of government.
876
00:47:20,127 --> 00:47:23,244
You know, I believe both of us
want what's best for this country.
877
00:47:23,407 --> 00:47:25,796
We just have different ideas
about how to get there.
878
00:47:26,447 --> 00:47:31,237
I think it's fair to say that Matt has more
confidence in government than I do.
879
00:47:31,767 --> 00:47:34,156
I have more confidence in freedom.
880
00:47:34,727 --> 00:47:36,285
Your freedom.
881
00:47:36,607 --> 00:47:39,360
Your freedom
to choose your child's school.
882
00:47:39,567 --> 00:47:43,924
Your freedom to choose the car or truck
that's right for you and your family.
883
00:47:44,367 --> 00:47:47,962
Your freedom to save or spend
your hard-earned money...
884
00:47:48,127 --> 00:47:51,039
...instead of having the government
spend it for you.
885
00:47:51,207 --> 00:47:52,959
No, you see, I'm...
886
00:47:53,607 --> 00:47:55,484
I'm not anti-government.
887
00:47:55,647 --> 00:47:58,684
I just don't want any more government
than we can afford.
888
00:47:58,887 --> 00:48:01,959
We don't want government doing things
it doesn't know how to do...
889
00:48:02,127 --> 00:48:04,402
...doing things the private sector
does better...
890
00:48:04,567 --> 00:48:06,876
...or throwing more money
at failed programs.
891
00:48:07,047 --> 00:48:10,722
Because that's exactly what makes
people lose faith in government.
892
00:48:10,927 --> 00:48:15,159
And all of us, Democrats, Republicans,
liberals, conservatives...
893
00:48:15,367 --> 00:48:18,484
...we all want a government
we can believe in.
894
00:48:18,767 --> 00:48:21,327
We want a government
that doesn't make false promises...
895
00:48:21,487 --> 00:48:23,637
...a government
that doesn't overreach...
896
00:48:23,807 --> 00:48:26,367
...that doesn't take on
more than it can handle.
897
00:48:26,527 --> 00:48:29,758
An efficient, effective,
honest government.
898
00:48:29,927 --> 00:48:33,761
That's what the Founding Fathers
created, that's what they wanted for us.
899
00:48:33,927 --> 00:48:36,885
The choice in this election
comes down to this:
900
00:48:37,487 --> 00:48:40,081
Do we want more government...
901
00:48:40,247 --> 00:48:43,045
...or do we wanna
get control of government?
902
00:48:43,887 --> 00:48:45,843
To govern is to choose...
903
00:48:46,007 --> 00:48:47,884
...and the choices are never easy.
904
00:48:48,047 --> 00:48:50,845
There are lobbies that will fight
every choice you make.
905
00:48:51,007 --> 00:48:54,966
They're ready to call you names the
second you make a choice they don't like.
906
00:48:55,127 --> 00:48:57,561
You heard that heckler
go after me here tonight.
907
00:48:58,007 --> 00:49:00,521
You have to be tough
to stand up to that.
908
00:49:01,007 --> 00:49:04,443
But being tough won't help you
make the right choice.
909
00:49:04,967 --> 00:49:09,165
That takes experience
and mature judgment.
910
00:49:09,327 --> 00:49:12,922
That's what the presidency needs now,
more than ever.
911
00:49:13,087 --> 00:49:15,885
And that's why I ask you
to give me your vote...
912
00:49:16,167 --> 00:49:19,000
...so that I can give you
the government you were promised...
913
00:49:19,167 --> 00:49:20,805
...by the Founding Fathers.
914
00:49:20,967 --> 00:49:22,480
Thank you very much.
915
00:49:30,927 --> 00:49:32,758
Senator Vinick...
916
00:49:34,207 --> 00:49:37,836
Senator Vinick, Congressman Santos,
our thanks to you both.
917
00:49:38,007 --> 00:49:40,123
Ladies and gentlemen,
that is our debate.
918
00:49:40,287 --> 00:49:42,847
Thank you for watching.
Good night.
919
00:49:50,847 --> 00:49:52,599
Thank you. Thank you.
920
00:49:52,767 --> 00:49:54,803
Hey, you little guys!
921
00:49:55,607 --> 00:49:57,404
Hey!
922
00:50:41,007 --> 00:50:42,998
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