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[lighthearted music]
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I'm Doris Bergquist and
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my age is 100 years
and six months.
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In 2012, I visited
my grandmother, and I asked
her about marriage.
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And her cranberry pie recipe,
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but for our purposes,
we'll focus on marriage.
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Why did you choose Carlton
my grandfather as your husband?
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[Doris] I have no idea except
that I wanted to get married.
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That's what people did,
they got married. [chuckles]
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He came up to call on me
for a date one day.
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Carlton knocked on
the door and he said,
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"Nygard's the name." [laughs]
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We didn't even know
who Carlton was, even. [laughs]
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But he, he joined the family.
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[Roger] Courtship and marriage
have gotten a little more
complex these days.
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My grandmother got me wondering why marriage is so difficult.
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We all know the statistics.
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Marriage rates are down,
divorce rates are high,
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and over time people become more and more unsatisfied in their
marriages.
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Why is marriage
so difficult for people?
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To find out, I talked
with a few experts.
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Ty Tashiro is a psychologist who studies modern relationships.
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Well, part of the reason
that it's so hard for
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people to be married is
that it's hard for them
to be married now.
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And so, marriage has been
around for about 5,000 years,
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and really only in the last
150, 160 years of that,
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that we have the expectations
that we have for marriage.
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So, we want our partners
to not only be
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our spouses and co-parents,
to run a household together,
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but now we want them
to be our best friend.
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We want emotional gratification.
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Uh, we want tremendous
sexual satisfaction.
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There's all these
factors that play into
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what people want
in a marriage now
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and it's really a lot
to expect from anybody.
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On a daily basis,
I'm basically helping people
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solve the problems
in their love life.
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Why is marriage
so difficult for people?
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It's never been easier
to, to be distracted
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or to wonder, "What if?"
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As information
technology has improved
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our lives in many, many ways,
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it's also managed to
make them more difficult.
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That's probably
the biggest reason
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why marriage is
somewhat in jeopardy.
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I call it "paralysis of choice."
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We're evolved to be
fascinated by novelty.
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Newness in food, in travel,
in art, in music,
in friendships,
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in myriad aspects of our lives.
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We're also attracted to
novelty in our erotic lives.
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And, um, so when
you define marriage as
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"forsaking all others
till death do us part,"
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that runs directly counter
to our nature as a species.
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[Roger] To track down one of
the most influential
researchers in
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the field of human
sexual behavior,
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I traveled to the foothills
above Málaga in Spain.
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Why is marriage
so hard for people?
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We're not geared up for
long-term relationships,
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instinctually, behaviorally,
emotionally,
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and yet, we've sort of been
gradually pushed into this way
of living together.
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And, uh, so it's difficult.
It doesn't really work
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with our, our emotions
and likes and behaviors.
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[Roger] I found William
Doherty in Minneapolis,
my original hometown.
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Almost 0% of engaged people
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think they are ever
going to get divorced.
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It is the myth of being
exceptional that if I could wave
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a magic wand I would try to
help people explode that myth...
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that they are going to be
immune to these forces.
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Because I think wedding planning
is actually the beginning of
a marriage.
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And so, pay a lot of attention
to how you work out
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your decision making,
your responsibility there,
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how you deal with your families.
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Start to, start to problem
solve, which is what marriage
is partly about,
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right now, because once you
announce, you are in
a new world.
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-[Roger] It's kind of scary.
-[laughs]
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I don't know if I want
a new world. I like
the world I'm in.
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-Right. That's
the exceptionalism, right.
-[both chuckling]
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Marriage vastly reduces
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the possibilities for
the future of your life.
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Talk to me about this concept
of the leftover women in China.
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The leftover women stigma
is women who have not been
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married by the age of,
some say 27 some say 22,
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are called leftovers.
And many women internalize
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this stigma and become very
desperate for marriage.
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How could someone
be expired at 25?
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I think it's a stigma
that comes from 5,000 years
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of culture around, "what is
a woman's role in life?"
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Part of it would be what
society is telling them.
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You're not a whole person
until you get married.
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You're missing something,
you're missing your other half.
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But the fact of the matter is,
marriage is really just
another relationship.
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For a while there you wanted
another brother and sister,
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so you kept on asking me
to get married
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or dad to get married
or dad and I to get married,
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so you could get
a brother or a sister.
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Did you start to realize
that a lot of people
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have kids and they're
not married?
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I have two
biological children with
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two different
parenting partnerships.
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What I chose to do
as an alternative to
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conventional marriage, is to
have a parenting partnership.
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All the benefits of being
married and building a life
together and investing
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together and having children,
without the weather pattern of,
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of romance and intimacy,
that seems to be at
the heart of most divorces.
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I believe in marriage,
I think it's kind of a gift
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and it's magical
and it's the ideal.
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But what about
the rest of us? [chuckles]
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If you don't meet your soulmate,
then it's quite high stakes
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to have a family and base
your whole entire life
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on a system that you're
not maybe sure about, but this
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parenting partnership
is an alternative to
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not having a family
or rushing into something.
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[Roger] In Seattle, Dr. John Gottman was once a mathematician
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wondering if there were ways
to quantify relationships,
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and then his wife,
Dr. Julie Schwartz Gottman,
helped him organize
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his data, so it could
be used for teaching.
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The Gottman Institute is
really about repairing,
restoring relationships.
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If you don't work
on a relationship,
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if you just let it go,
it deteriorates.
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69% of problems
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that couples struggle with
are perpetual problems.
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They never ever go away.
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Part of the answer is,
really, acceptance.
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-You have to learn how to
dialogue with those problems.
-Right.
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I'm a marital couples
and singles therapist.
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[Roger] Why is it so hard for us
to do everything right
in relationships?
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We don't have the skills
to have relationships.
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We think they come naturally
and they don't--
And people don't like
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when I say they are skills,
they say that's artificial.
No, we need to know that
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just like there are skills
when you go to college to
learn a trade,
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you need to learn
the skills to stay married.
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There are thousands
of marriage experts,
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but I also talked to my friends,
which is usually my first stop
for questionable advice.
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[Ada] Doug and I have
been married 19--
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-No-- We've been
together 19 years.
-[Doug] Twelve.
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I, I said 20.
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No, we're going to
be 20 next year.
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So, we're 19 years in, it hasn't
been a perfect relationship.
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It's been a roller coaster.
We call each other,
"The work in progress."
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-It's pretty much what
our marriage has been.
-Yeah, it is a work in progress.
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-I do the work and she makes
the progress.
-Yeah.
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[Roger] Doug Williams
and I worked together
on TV shows like,
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"The Mind of the Married Man,"
and "The Bernie Mac Show."
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Why shouldn't I get married?
What's the worst thing about
marriage?
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Having to deal with somebody
else's problems and make them
your own.
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So when you're with somebody you
inherit all of their problems?
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Health problems,
emotional problems,
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-their past history and--
-And don't leave out credit.
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-Their credit problems.
That's all yours now.
-It's all yours.
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[Roger] Joe Yannetty and I wrote
a movie together about car
salesmen called, "Suckers."
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Having someone who has access
to all your stuff all the time.
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I hate people touching my stuff.
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If you get married a third time,
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-something's going
to get broken.
-Yes.
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[Roger] My pal, Steve Fromstein,
ended up in this film,
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mainly because he let me
use his green screen.
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-Okay.
-We were engaged to be married,
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and I asked a friend
of mine, "Uh,
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when you go to sleep
with your wife,
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you ever worry she might kill
you in the middle of the night?"
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And he said, "No." And then I--
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That's kind of when I realized
I was in the wrong relationship.
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Had she ever done
anything that would give
you a reason to be so worried?
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Well, you know,
you mean, like, hitting
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or slamming things
or climbing over
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my-- the wall to get
back into my place?
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-Yeah, I guess. Yes.
-She did all those things?
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You could read
the restraining order.
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If I told you, you can only
have one car for the rest of
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your life, you'd be like,
"What kind of deal is that?"
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If I told you could have
one food, "What kind
of deal is that?"
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But I'm supposed to tell you,
you can have one woman
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and you're supposed to go,
"That's what I was thinking!"
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Charles Darwin was faced with
the same marriage conundrum.
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So he made a list.
On one side he wrote
the reasons not to get married.
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Things like: freedom
to go where you like,
choice of social activity,
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bro time, not forced to visit
relatives, less expense, anxiety
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and responsibility, less
quarreling, more free time to do
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things like read in the evening,
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you don't get fat,
and you don't have
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to move to be near
the wife's family.
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On the other side, he wrote
reasons to get married.
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Things like:
children, companionship,
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love, you get a homemaker,
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your conversation and
your music collection improve,
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it's good for your health
and it's better than
a dog anyhow.
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He wrote this stuff, not me.
Admittedly, he's better known
for other things.
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The right side was much shorter,
but it was a deeper,
weightier list for Darwin.
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And so, he got married
and had ten children.
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Apparently,
it worked out for him,
but what about the rest of us?
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What happened in the past
with human relationships?
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[Robin] For 200,000 years,
humans were nomadic,
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they wandered around,
they shared everything.
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That way of life was very
similar to what you see
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in our closest relatives,
the chimpanzees. And natural,
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I think, is what, what we were
for that first 200,000 years.
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That, that is what
suits people better in terms
of emotions and, and instincts.
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Our species was organized
as a sharing economy.
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No one owned the land.
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-No one owned the animals.
-Is it communism?
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It's essentially
a socialist, uh, system.
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They had these, what we call,
these institutional marriages.
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People married those that
they were more or less
assigned to marry.
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And they were oriented
to a larger community.
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I don't think women started
living in men's houses,
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in the house that the man
could say, "This is mine,"
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um, until about 6,000 years ago.
Marriage came later,
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when we could write,
we could draw up contracts.
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It was a way of
making alliances.
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In the earliest societies that
was the way two bands decided,
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"Oh, we don't have to fight
when we meet, because we have
relatives in both groups."
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[Matt] Once we got into
agricultural societies
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and particularly pastoral
societies with herds of animals,
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where the huge disparities
of wealth opened up,
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then we became very polygamous.
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Polygamous societies are
also very violent societies.
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And the reason for that
is basically because
when one man
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is monopolizing
a few hundred women,
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there's a few hundred
other men who are
not getting women at all.
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How did understanding
the concept of agriculture
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change the way
people behaved sexually?
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It created a sense of propriety.
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And now the woman has
to belong to me,
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because I want to leave
this stuff to my sons.
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[Fara] If you look at the
Anglo-Saxon laws on marriage
and sex, for example,
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which are not very much
influenced yet by Christianity,
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they are very influenced by
the idea that men own women.
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And women can be bought
and sold, and if you sleep with
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another man's wife,
he can kill you.
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But also, if you want to
make recompense, you have to
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bring him another wife
and go buy one somewhere.
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Nobody in those days went up
and said, "You know,
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I don't feel like
I'm getting my needs met here.
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I feel like there's
an imbalance between us,
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and this marriage is
much more favoring you."
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Or, "I'm tired of
your demands on me
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for a degree of openness that
I don't feel like offering."
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I'm using modern-day vocabulary
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to describe inner experiences
and interpersonal expectations
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that would be laughable
in a prior generation.
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-When did we start
marrying for love?
-As soon as you begin to get
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institutions like banks,
that you don't have
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to marry other
people to get money,
and political institutions,
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so it doesn't depend upon
your family alliances.
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It's, really, only in the past
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160 years that people
started to marry
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for love, so it's a really
unusual phenomenon
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because you didn't have to worry
so much about survival.
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In many societies, love was
considered an anti-social act.
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It was literally, you were
disobeying your parents,
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you were betraying the ideas
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for how you made society work.
It was subversive.
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The woman in the past would say,
"He's not much of a talker,
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he doesn't listen to me very
much, but he's a good provider,
he's a good man."
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For the man who would say,
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"She doesn't want to have sex
all that much and she's
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kind of bossy around the house,
but she's a good mother,
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she's a good woman,
she's faithful,
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good churchgoer."
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-[Roger] "Good enough."
-"Good enough."
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[Roger] Okay, so,
things have changed.
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Instead of marrying
the whole tribe,
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marrying one person for love
is a modern invention.
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What percentage of people
believe in soulmates?
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Gallup asked people,
"Do you believe in soulmates?"
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And 88% of respondents,
uh, said that, yes, they do.
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Too many times we have overly
romanticized fantasies
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about what our partner
shouldbe like,
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[Roger] Okay. So there's a problem with high expectations. Whose fault is this?
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[Marni] The blame game. That's
a big one. Blame the parents,
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blame, you know, men,
if they're women
blaming men, New York men.
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Blaming women, blaming
their exes, blaming everybody.
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But if you're seeing the same
thing happening in
your relationships,
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what's the common
denominator? It's you!
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I can't write a book with
the title, "It's Not Them,
It's You."
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-Who's gonna buy that?
-[Roger chuckles]
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But sometimes,
I can tell you, I see people
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who I worry for them--
They will, they will be
single indefinitely
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until they work on themselves.
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-Can someone else
make you happy?
-No one can make you happy.
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You need to come into
a relationship
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with your own happiness. Someone
can enhance your happiness.
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If you rely on the other person
to make you happy, eventually,
you're going to be
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unhappy, because if someone
has the power to make you happy,
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they also have the power
to make you unhappy.
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Having a realistic and accurate
sense of what sort of animal
you are
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is the necessary first step
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to any sort of intelligent
navigation of life.
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Homo sapiens is the most
sexual animal on the planet.
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Animals don't have sex anywhere
near as much as humans do.
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-Why are we so horny?
-In our species, sex was
co-opted for social purposes.
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Possibly as far back
as our last common ancestor
with chimps and bonobos,
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five to six million years ago,
because both chimps and bonobos
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also use sex for
non-reproductive purposes.
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Are we feeling
frustration because
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our culture is asking us
to behave in a certain way
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that's out of sync with
our true human nature?
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Yes. That's the base
of the, of the problem.
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And I think the nearer
we get back to trying
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to structure society
in a way that
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our instincts work with,
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the easier it's going to be
for everybody concerned.
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There's bound to be
a lack of sync
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between what we're
culturally imposing
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upon ourselves and what we're
naturally inclined to do,
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because culture can change much
faster than genes can change.
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So, is it safe to say that...
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humans used to live
in these societies where
they shared everything.
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Agriculture, the discovery
of agriculture
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changed our culture,
and our culture began
to evolve faster than we did.
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And so, we are now asked to
exist in a way to reach
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these ideals that are
unreachable, that are not
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in sync with who we are,
and so, everybody's frustrated.
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Right. Civilization has been
this amazing scam,
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because civilization
is constantly telling us
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that we're almost there.
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When computers are going to
free up all your leisure time.
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Oh, no, cell phones are going to
free up all your leisure time.
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You're going to live in
this Utopian future
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that we never get to. We're
working more than we used to.
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We're working way more than
hunter-gatherers work.
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If you compare where we are now
as a species to where we were
15,000 years ago.
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We're worse off in most
respects. Our health is worse,
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our-- People say,
"Hunter-gatherers only lived
to be 30 or 35." Bullshit!
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Hunter-gatherers lived
into their '60s and '70s.
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We had it really good before
agriculture. Jared Diamond,
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the author of "Guns, Germs
and Steel," said that
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agriculture is the worst
mistake in the history of
the human race.
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Is it foolish of us to expect
so much from love marriages?
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These expectations of love
no longer work,
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in a world where men and women
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are increasingly equal,
and desire equal
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and collaborative, not
specialized, relationships.
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But you know, I've studied
low expectation marriages
over the past.
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I think in most cases
we want high expectations.
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High expectations
help us live up to them.
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They just have to be
realistic expectations.
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[Roger] How long are
relationships meant to last?
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They are meant to last as long
as it takes to bring up a child.
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Anyone who's been in
a relationship more than
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a few years knows that
it's not a relationship.
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It's a series of relationships
with the same person,
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and it's not even
the same person,
because they're changing.
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What's telling you
a relationship is doomed
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or a relationship
is going to succeed?
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Emotional stability is one
of the most powerful
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predictors of whether
somebody will have
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a stable and happy
marriage in the long run.
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We found that by observing
the way a couple interacts,
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we can predict with over 90%
accuracy whether they'll
stay together
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or break apart, and if they stay
together, how happy they'll be.
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And a lot of it is based on
the way they talk to each other.
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Even about how the day went,
but especially during conflict.
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'Cause in disastrous
relationships,
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people are pointing their finger
at their partner, and being
critical, and saying,
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"Here's what's wrong with you.
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As far as I can tell
I'm pretty much perfect.
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But your defective."
Whereas in great relationships,
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they're pointing their finger
at themselves and saying,
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"Here's what I need, honey.
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And here's what the recipe
is for success with me."
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By the way, they present
the problem, and how it unfolds,
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we can tell whether they're
heading one way or another way.
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It's how they fight, and whether
they fight with the level
of respect, and that's critical.
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We found people at stable
and happy relationships,
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they had five times as much
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affection, humor,
interest in one another,
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empathy, as the negative stuff:
the anger, the disappointment,
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the hurt feelings,
you know, the sadness.
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Positive could be: laughing at
your partner's joke, it could be
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touching them on the arm as
you pass by, affectionately.
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A negative could be:
ignoring them,
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rolling your eyes,
sighing passive-aggressively.
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So you want 5 positives at
a minimum but 15 is even better.
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The ratio of positive
to negative of
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great couples was
20 to 1. It's even higher.
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[Pat] How many people are
here for a relationship?
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[Roger] Dr. Pat Allen has been
giving relationship seminars
for over 40 years.
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Be careful about having
intercourse too fast,
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because he needs to miss you.
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He needs to chase you,
he needs to see
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that you love you more
than you love him.
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-[Roger] Who should
pay when dating?
-Whoever asked for the date.
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I believe that the man should
pursue in the beginning.
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But it's the women
who are deciding
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how a relationship gets started.
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She's sending out the signals
to be approached.
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She ran. I chased her.
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-She caught me.
-[laughs]
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It's good if you can pick up
signals as to which pursuits
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might bear some sort of fruit.
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I think the cleanest
contract on the planet
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is a prostitute's contract,
and the only difference
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between a prostitute
and a wife is a blessing.
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And the prostitute
doesn't have to do laundry.
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How did the creator create us?
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He created the man as a giver
and the woman as a receiver.
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This is the act of procreation,
it goes like that,
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the man gives the seed,
the woman receives the seed.
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She has the egg
that's fertilized.
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In our closest relative,
the chimpanzee,
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ovulation is advertised
big-time.
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Females grow an
extremely swollen,
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very red bottom when
they are sexually fertile.
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And as a result, the world
beats a path to the door
of said female.
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And she mates with pretty well
all the males in the troop.
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There is what's called
"sperm competition" going on.
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As a result of that, chimpanzees
have evolved gigantic testicles.
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Because the more sperm
you've got, the more chance
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you have of winning
in this sperm competition
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that goes on as a result of
this open ovulation.
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Men, nearly all of
their sexual activity
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is aimed towards trying
to make sure that their
sperm don't end up
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in competition with sperm from
another man inside that woman.
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So, if a woman has sex
with two or more men,
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then, for a while, she's going
to have sperm competing for
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the prize of any egg that
she might produce in
that period of time.
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[Roger] Are there more than
one type of sperm?
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There's some with great big
heads, some with two heads,
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some with two tails,
some with a coiled tail.
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They're there
to compete, as ways
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of getting in the way or killing
off the sperm from other males.
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They're doing a job in
helping the male make sure
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it's his sperm that
fertilizes an egg
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rather than some
other male's sperm.
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And this has a huge influence
on the way men and women behave.
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They don't know
it's happening,
don't know they're doing it.
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They're responding
things like jealousy
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and, uh, subterfuge and
all sorts of other things.
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[Roger] When Robin Baker
published his findings about
sperm in 1991,
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that it's mostly an army,
and only 1% are there
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to actually fertilize an egg,
it was hugely controversial
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because it implied that humans
are designed to be promiscuous,
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that women's bodies
promote sperm Warfare,
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collecting sperm
from multiple donors,
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So that only the very best
sperm can fertilize
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her egg. What does this mean
for human behavior today?
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There's this fascinating
distinction between
the competition
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between males happening
between individuals,
versus happening between sperm.
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[Roger] What's more valuable,
the sperm or the egg?
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What's more valuable? In terms
of biological material, the egg,
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'cause it's many thousand times
bigger than the, than the sperm.
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Let me see
if I've got this right.
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The woman has the control
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because she is the keeper
of the egg.
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On a micro level,
all the sperm want access,
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but the egg plays hard to get
and puts up barriers
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so only the most
serious one gets in.
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The same thing is happening
on a macro level.
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All the men court
the best women.
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She puts up barriers,
demands quality
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and sincerity, so only the most
serious suitor gets through.
453
00:22:33,090 --> 00:22:36,833
If you ask men and women
what the perfect age of
454
00:22:36,877 --> 00:22:39,923
a partner for a sexual
relationship is,
455
00:22:40,620 --> 00:22:42,578
and you ask them
at different ages,
456
00:22:43,449 --> 00:22:46,713
the women will basically
say a man of roughly
the same age as them.
457
00:22:46,756 --> 00:22:50,760
As they get older,
the man they want gets a bit
younger, obviously.
458
00:22:50,804 --> 00:22:54,634
But the men basically say 22,
full stop.
459
00:22:54,677 --> 00:22:57,027
Even if they're 85.
It's reflecting the fact,
460
00:22:57,071 --> 00:22:59,465
of course,
the basic biological fact
461
00:22:59,508 --> 00:23:02,293
that a man is pretty
well as fertile
462
00:23:02,772 --> 00:23:07,516
at 65 as he is at 22.
Whereas that's simply
not true of a woman.
463
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,302
Old men like to start
new families with young women.
464
00:23:11,346 --> 00:23:14,305
Society certainly
makes you want to feel bad
if you don't date
465
00:23:14,349 --> 00:23:17,308
someone your own age.
And society's right to,
466
00:23:17,352 --> 00:23:20,355
because society's interest is
not the same as your interest.
467
00:23:20,399 --> 00:23:23,053
Society's interest is that
you obey the social rules
468
00:23:23,097 --> 00:23:25,621
and don't pinch other
people's wives or daughters.
469
00:23:25,665 --> 00:23:29,277
I felt like the next step was
to talk to more couples about
how they are
470
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,758
experiencing marriage
and relationship issues.
471
00:23:32,367 --> 00:23:35,370
I started bringing my camera
whenever I got invited
to weddings.
472
00:23:35,414 --> 00:23:37,416
My goal was to follow
the trajectory
473
00:23:37,459 --> 00:23:40,506
of several marriages to see
what happened afterward,
474
00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:42,246
after the honeymoon stage.
475
00:23:42,290 --> 00:23:45,206
It's my second marriage.
I got married at 20.
476
00:23:45,249 --> 00:23:47,208
[Roger] How many times
do you plan to get
married in your life?
477
00:23:47,251 --> 00:23:51,081
This is it. I planned once.
Wait till you see where we are.
478
00:23:51,125 --> 00:23:53,562
I mean, we are essentially
getting married in a sewer.
479
00:23:53,606 --> 00:23:56,957
It's an aqueduct, but it could
be considered a sewer.
480
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,786
[Michaela] I have never been
in love before I met Frank.
481
00:23:59,829 --> 00:24:04,791
I found out I really loved him
when I go to go away from him.
482
00:24:04,834 --> 00:24:07,315
She left for four months
and I realized that I,
483
00:24:07,358 --> 00:24:09,839
I liked my life better
with her in it than without.
484
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,503
[cheering and applauding]
485
00:24:21,547 --> 00:24:23,897
[lighthearted piano music]
486
00:24:33,341 --> 00:24:36,779
We're in the process
of getting a divorce.
487
00:24:36,823 --> 00:24:39,913
Yes. It's a piece of paper.
It's uncontested.
488
00:24:39,956 --> 00:24:43,525
-We're both in agreement on it.
-Why did you decide to
end the marriage?
489
00:24:43,569 --> 00:24:48,748
It worked, we both were really
happy until, um, we weren't.
490
00:24:48,791 --> 00:24:51,054
-[laughs]
-And we both have changed a lot.
491
00:24:51,098 --> 00:24:54,014
She had career aspirations
that were off the charts.
492
00:24:54,057 --> 00:24:55,885
-I'm not kidding.
-I couldn't work.
493
00:24:56,451 --> 00:24:59,323
So, I feel like I was
here just for you.
494
00:24:59,367 --> 00:25:02,457
Five years later I got so busy
with my work that
495
00:25:02,501 --> 00:25:05,112
-I basically didn't do
anything for you.
-[chuckles]
496
00:25:05,155 --> 00:25:07,070
-It kind of flipped.
-Mm-hmm.
497
00:25:07,114 --> 00:25:08,898
-Completely.
-How does it feel
to have been the wife?
498
00:25:08,942 --> 00:25:10,421
Well, I wasn't really--
499
00:25:10,465 --> 00:25:11,988
Well, I did clean the house
a lot back then.
500
00:25:12,032 --> 00:25:13,555
-[laughs]
-That's true.
501
00:25:13,599 --> 00:25:15,601
And I really got annoyed
when she would come home
502
00:25:15,644 --> 00:25:17,428
and she'd say, "There is
a little piece of paper
on the floor."
503
00:25:17,472 --> 00:25:20,475
And I go, "This entire
house is clean
504
00:25:20,519 --> 00:25:22,172
and you see one piece of paper,"
505
00:25:22,216 --> 00:25:24,044
and it was, it was like
a husband coming home.
506
00:25:24,087 --> 00:25:25,654
-Will you get married again?
-Yes.
507
00:25:25,698 --> 00:25:27,221
-She will.
-I hope so.
508
00:25:27,264 --> 00:25:29,179
You want to find a new
better version of Frank.
509
00:25:29,223 --> 00:25:30,485
-Yes.
-Younger version.
510
00:25:30,529 --> 00:25:33,096
-[both laugh]
-What's next?
511
00:25:33,140 --> 00:25:35,185
We do talk a lot.
We're actually better friends
512
00:25:35,229 --> 00:25:37,057
now than the last year
of our marriage.
513
00:25:37,100 --> 00:25:39,189
Has divorce liberated
your friendship?
514
00:25:39,233 --> 00:25:40,974
I think we can be more
honest about things
515
00:25:41,017 --> 00:25:43,193
because it doesn't
involve each other.
516
00:25:43,237 --> 00:25:46,675
Like, if she's dating a guy now,
or if I'm seeing a girl,
517
00:25:46,719 --> 00:25:49,243
we can talk about that
'cause it's not affecting us.
518
00:25:49,286 --> 00:25:52,594
And it's also nice, because if
I don't want to listen to him,
519
00:25:52,638 --> 00:25:54,596
-I just don't have to anymore.
-No.
520
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,380
[jovial music]
521
00:25:56,424 --> 00:25:58,513
[Roger] The next wedding I was invited to was definitely
522
00:25:58,557 --> 00:26:01,690
one of the most unique. It was
held at a fairy convention.
523
00:26:02,473 --> 00:26:04,954
[Angela] Being friends first is
probably the best way to enter
524
00:26:04,998 --> 00:26:07,609
into a romantic relationship,
because you watch
525
00:26:07,653 --> 00:26:09,785
this person that
you put on the back burner
526
00:26:09,829 --> 00:26:11,874
for, for years and years.
527
00:26:11,918 --> 00:26:13,659
And, uh, you get to know
them really well.
528
00:26:13,702 --> 00:26:15,965
We decided to get,
uh, married...
529
00:26:16,009 --> 00:26:18,620
Well, let's see, decided
to get married is such
a funny word.
530
00:26:18,664 --> 00:26:20,013
I think it's almost
like deciding
531
00:26:20,056 --> 00:26:21,841
to accept that
the rain has come in.
532
00:26:21,884 --> 00:26:23,799
-[lighthearted guitar music]
-[chuckles]
533
00:26:26,236 --> 00:26:27,324
[Angela] Hey, Daddy.
534
00:26:28,587 --> 00:26:30,197
[Jordan] I will love you
the rest of my life,
535
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,634
and I'll do everything I can
to be the right person for you.
536
00:26:32,678 --> 00:26:33,548
You're amazing.
537
00:26:35,245 --> 00:26:37,900
-I hope you like to
hang out with me more.
-[all laughing]
538
00:26:37,944 --> 00:26:40,990
Falling in love with you
was like falling with gravity.
539
00:26:42,035 --> 00:26:45,604
I feel so safe, so capable
and ready to be your partner.
540
00:26:45,647 --> 00:26:47,997
Though loving you can
sometimes feel
541
00:26:48,041 --> 00:26:51,305
like I'm on the Moon,
you are home to me.
542
00:26:52,349 --> 00:26:53,568
I love you.
543
00:26:54,221 --> 00:26:56,484
-That was really good.
-[all laughing]
544
00:26:57,659 --> 00:26:59,182
I wrote it in the car.
545
00:26:59,226 --> 00:27:01,532
[all laughing and cheering]
546
00:27:01,576 --> 00:27:03,665
How did you get Jordan
to commit to you?
547
00:27:03,709 --> 00:27:06,189
Uh, I told him he could do
whatever he wanted
with anybody else.
548
00:27:07,147 --> 00:27:09,192
That broke me,
that was it, instantaneous.
549
00:27:09,236 --> 00:27:11,673
Polyamory is sometimes
hard in reality.
550
00:27:11,717 --> 00:27:14,197
So, when she said,
"Sure, try everything,"
551
00:27:14,241 --> 00:27:16,112
I was like, "Great," and then
within a few months I was like,
552
00:27:16,156 --> 00:27:18,245
"You know, you're my everything.
I want to try you
553
00:27:18,288 --> 00:27:20,247
-a lot more, and just do that."
-[chuckles]
554
00:27:20,290 --> 00:27:22,249
[gentle guitar music]
555
00:27:23,250 --> 00:27:25,644
[Angela] This is
Southwest Eugene, Oregon.
556
00:27:25,687 --> 00:27:29,082
We moved to the country
to learn permaculture
and to get away from the city.
557
00:27:29,125 --> 00:27:31,301
[Jordan] We are in
a school bus that I converted
558
00:27:31,345 --> 00:27:34,740
into a cabin, living on
a community piece of land.
559
00:27:34,783 --> 00:27:37,743
In order to help support the
people that are living here,
I came up with
560
00:27:37,786 --> 00:27:39,701
this idea for
the goblin markets,
561
00:27:39,745 --> 00:27:41,703
which is a backstage
party for the people that
562
00:27:41,747 --> 00:27:44,532
spend most of their lives
working the festival circuit.
563
00:27:44,575 --> 00:27:47,535
This is the Mud Arena where the
hot mud wrestling takes place.
564
00:27:47,578 --> 00:27:51,800
Multiple people get into the mud
pit and fight each other like
gladiators, usually naked.
565
00:27:51,844 --> 00:27:54,194
[Angela] Our culture,
the way that it demands
566
00:27:54,237 --> 00:27:57,066
we behave towards one another,
is deadening.
567
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:59,939
The boundaries are meant to be
pushed and that-- and when
that happens,
568
00:27:59,982 --> 00:28:01,854
I think people feel more alive.
569
00:28:01,897 --> 00:28:03,594
I actually think at
the root of polyamory
570
00:28:03,638 --> 00:28:05,553
is really just
the urge to return to tribe.
571
00:28:05,596 --> 00:28:09,122
I have friends that I really
like sleeping with. [chuckles]
572
00:28:09,165 --> 00:28:11,559
Like, we've been sleeping
together for ten years
573
00:28:11,602 --> 00:28:15,258
and we go on
specific dates to do that.
574
00:28:15,302 --> 00:28:18,087
Do you feel that your
expectations have changed since
575
00:28:18,131 --> 00:28:19,741
you were married versus now?
576
00:28:19,785 --> 00:28:22,657
We're more in tune
with each other now,
577
00:28:22,701 --> 00:28:25,660
and what our needs are
and what our boundaries are.
578
00:28:25,704 --> 00:28:29,969
[Jordan] When you're younger,
it's so much about you
and your partner communicating
579
00:28:30,012 --> 00:28:32,536
about all the ways that
you're disappointing
and freaking each other out.
580
00:28:32,580 --> 00:28:35,583
-[Angela] Yep.
-You know, when I got into
this relationship I knew her
581
00:28:35,626 --> 00:28:38,455
so well already, and so, when
she says, "This is my need,"
582
00:28:38,499 --> 00:28:40,544
it's not coming at me
as a surprise or curve ball,
583
00:28:40,588 --> 00:28:44,374
because I didn't invent this
princess in my mind to be her.
584
00:28:44,418 --> 00:28:48,335
I got her. You know, I married
the person that I expected
to marry.
585
00:28:48,378 --> 00:28:50,946
Now, it can just be like,
"I'm happily married
586
00:28:50,990 --> 00:28:53,688
and I can take you to bed,"
if I wanted to, you know,
587
00:28:53,732 --> 00:28:55,951
but, like, let's just be friends
first. Let's figure that out.
588
00:28:55,995 --> 00:28:58,780
-Yeah.
-And if that doesn't work,
then I don't really want--
589
00:28:58,824 --> 00:29:01,217
-I don't-- I'm not
really interested.
-Yeah, we like
590
00:29:01,261 --> 00:29:03,219
sleeping with friends. We don't
like sleeping with strangers.
591
00:29:03,263 --> 00:29:05,961
Later on today We'll have lunch
with a friend and lover of ours
592
00:29:06,005 --> 00:29:08,616
who is a lot more
polyamorous than we are.
593
00:29:08,659 --> 00:29:12,881
I don't feel like when I'm going
beyond our relationship
594
00:29:12,925 --> 00:29:17,407
that I'm somehow looking for
something that he isn't
providing me.
595
00:29:17,451 --> 00:29:19,670
There's one of the, like,
poly-mission statements is,
596
00:29:19,714 --> 00:29:23,065
"People are not needs machines."
Like, you don't put
the quarters in
597
00:29:23,109 --> 00:29:26,199
and get the need out,
into the humans that
you're spending time with.
598
00:29:26,242 --> 00:29:28,505
Like, you're just there to,
like, explore the connection.
599
00:29:28,549 --> 00:29:32,509
The secret to making
a polyamorous relationship
work is talking.
600
00:29:32,553 --> 00:29:35,034
You know, how do you incorporate
their autonomy with your needs?
601
00:29:35,077 --> 00:29:39,516
And things like that,
and it's just this ongoing...
ongoing negotiation.
602
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,345
There's always a revision of
contract. I say
"contract" loosely.
603
00:29:42,389 --> 00:29:45,000
-It's just kind of like the--
it's the social agreement.
-Yeah, it's just a term.
604
00:29:45,044 --> 00:29:47,568
[Roger] How do you promise
to love somebody forever...
605
00:29:47,611 --> 00:29:49,135
-You don't.
-...when things are changing?
606
00:29:49,178 --> 00:29:50,701
You don't. That's not realistic.
607
00:29:50,745 --> 00:29:52,791
That's not realistic
in any culture, that
608
00:29:52,834 --> 00:29:55,619
-is so rare and--
-[Roger] But that's
what everybody does.
609
00:29:55,663 --> 00:29:57,578
-They're lies.
-Yes, that's,
610
00:29:57,621 --> 00:29:59,580
-that's weird.
-They're optimistic liars.
611
00:29:59,623 --> 00:30:01,800
Realistically, that doesn't work
out. You promise to love people
612
00:30:01,843 --> 00:30:03,497
and treat them well
and do your damnedest.
613
00:30:03,540 --> 00:30:05,107
-Yeah.
-That's the best you can do.
614
00:30:05,151 --> 00:30:07,370
[Jordan] The whole purpose
of all of this is to try
615
00:30:07,414 --> 00:30:11,157
-other options.
-I mean, this is kind of
a lifelong journey.
616
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,769
But I did imagine success
because we're a good team.
617
00:30:15,378 --> 00:30:18,120
I feel like there's
a demographic that's
still being undeserved.
618
00:30:18,686 --> 00:30:21,645
I flew to Brazil to track down
the most single person I know,
619
00:30:21,689 --> 00:30:25,432
to represent the single
perspective about marriage
and relationships.
620
00:30:25,475 --> 00:30:28,827
He actually learned how to sing
in Portuguese to attract women.
621
00:30:28,870 --> 00:30:30,872
♪ Single, single
Single, single forever ♪
622
00:30:30,916 --> 00:30:32,700
♪ I wanna be single forever
623
00:30:32,743 --> 00:30:34,745
♪ But I don't wanna
Die alone... ♪
624
00:30:34,789 --> 00:30:36,922
I used to rap in English
and Spanish back in the States
625
00:30:36,965 --> 00:30:39,054
as a hobby, and for fun
and carnival.
626
00:30:39,098 --> 00:30:41,317
My Portuguese has
got really good.
627
00:30:41,361 --> 00:30:43,667
2008 I did a funk song.
It came out hot. I started
shopping it around
628
00:30:43,711 --> 00:30:46,105
the favelas and in the streets,
and got good feedback.
629
00:30:46,148 --> 00:30:48,020
And then started recording
more and started performing.
630
00:30:48,063 --> 00:30:49,586
And now this is,
this is my passion.
631
00:30:59,161 --> 00:31:00,859
I'm in love with
Brazilian women, all of them.
632
00:31:00,902 --> 00:31:02,948
I'm like Indiana Jones
for the golden booty,
633
00:31:02,991 --> 00:31:05,559
you know what I mean?
And I think I found it
in Rio de Janeiro.
634
00:31:05,602 --> 00:31:07,039
What do you find
attractive in a woman?
635
00:31:07,082 --> 00:31:09,041
I like a big,
big ass, juicy ass,
636
00:31:09,084 --> 00:31:12,435
particularly the size of
basketballs, uh, with no waist.
637
00:31:12,479 --> 00:31:15,612
If the ass grows bigger, it's
fine. As long as the ass isn't
growing wider.
638
00:31:15,656 --> 00:31:17,788
I love the caramel
complexion, long hair,
639
00:31:17,832 --> 00:31:20,052
the sexy gestures, hot blood.
No facial hair.
640
00:31:20,095 --> 00:31:22,881
Green eyes is beauti--
it's a plus if you
have them, but if not,
641
00:31:22,924 --> 00:31:25,405
I mean, that's something--
I don't, I don't want to be
too demanding.
642
00:31:25,448 --> 00:31:28,234
That's all the physical
qualities. I like a girl
who's street, yet elegant.
643
00:31:28,277 --> 00:31:31,019
Who fucks a lot, Who's faithful.
A key thing for me is a girl
who's humble.
644
00:31:31,063 --> 00:31:33,674
Someone who's opinionated,
but yet understands at
the end of the day
645
00:31:33,717 --> 00:31:36,068
that Don B.
knows best. [chuckles]
646
00:31:36,111 --> 00:31:39,245
The girl who's very cool,
who's athletic, who's smarter
647
00:31:39,288 --> 00:31:42,944
who has good genes, who's a good
breeder. A well-rounded girl.
I want someone that's like me.
648
00:31:42,988 --> 00:31:45,860
♪ Rio, yeah, Rio de Janeiro...
649
00:31:45,904 --> 00:31:48,080
We're not designed to be with
the same person for six years.
650
00:31:48,123 --> 00:31:50,778
If you turn on
the Discovery Channel,
you'll see, like, you know,
651
00:31:50,821 --> 00:31:54,173
female spiders and shit trying
to kill the male if they stick
around too long.
652
00:31:54,216 --> 00:31:56,871
I think the normal
natural length of time
653
00:31:56,915 --> 00:31:58,655
that two people are
meant to be together for...
654
00:32:16,804 --> 00:32:20,242
There's two reasons in life that
women come back to men:
dick or money.
655
00:32:20,286 --> 00:32:22,592
There is no difference
between prostitution
656
00:32:22,636 --> 00:32:24,768
and between a regular
fucking modern-day date.
657
00:32:24,812 --> 00:32:26,466
They want Grey Goose
and cranberries.
658
00:32:26,509 --> 00:32:28,990
They want, fucking,
they want, you know,
659
00:32:29,034 --> 00:32:31,079
taxi cab rides,
they want dinners.
660
00:32:31,123 --> 00:32:33,038
You got fucking Valentine's,
and then you got the birthday,
661
00:32:33,081 --> 00:32:34,953
then you got the anniversary,
Then the six-month anniversary.
662
00:32:34,996 --> 00:32:36,824
And then you got dinner for two,
then you got the movies for two,
663
00:32:36,867 --> 00:32:38,043
then she wants Milk Duds.
664
00:32:41,742 --> 00:32:44,527
Is it necessary to lie to
keep a relationship healthy?
665
00:32:44,571 --> 00:32:47,835
Unfortunately,
I think it is. Why? Because
women give us no other choice.
666
00:32:47,878 --> 00:32:50,620
If a girl's going to ask me,
"Do you look at other women?"
Yeah, I look at other women.
667
00:32:50,664 --> 00:32:52,492
It's natural, I'm not going to
lie and say, "You're the only
668
00:32:52,535 --> 00:32:54,494
one for me,
I only have eyes for you."
669
00:32:54,537 --> 00:32:56,017
That's just a fucking fairy
tale, that's not real, man.
670
00:32:56,061 --> 00:32:58,672
Love is important too.
According to Freud,
671
00:32:58,715 --> 00:33:00,935
he said man needs work,
love, and some other shit.
672
00:33:00,979 --> 00:33:02,937
What you do with your
girlfriend is you make love.
That's the person
673
00:33:02,981 --> 00:33:04,939
you want to watch a DVD with,
you want to cuddle with,
674
00:33:04,983 --> 00:33:07,289
you want to have dinner with
and talk about life with.
675
00:33:07,333 --> 00:33:09,248
The other chicks are,
are nothing more than sex.
676
00:33:09,291 --> 00:33:11,467
It's just a nut. You know what
I mean? You can't, you can't...
677
00:33:12,294 --> 00:33:14,557
But then it's very hard
to explain that to a woman.
678
00:33:14,601 --> 00:33:17,038
I think I fall in love every
fucking day. I see a fat
ass on the street with
679
00:33:17,082 --> 00:33:20,433
a chick with green eyes and
no waste. I really love her.
I really truly love her.
680
00:33:20,476 --> 00:33:24,045
I really love her,
once I nut, if I still
feel that way towards her,
681
00:33:24,089 --> 00:33:27,092
that could
potentially be real love.
Get that fucking vagina, man.
682
00:33:27,135 --> 00:33:30,269
Absolutely. No questions asked.
Get that, go get that
motherfucking vagina.
683
00:33:30,312 --> 00:33:33,272
♪ Get that vagina
Get that vagina ♪
684
00:33:33,315 --> 00:33:36,362
♪ All around the world I
All around the world I ♪
685
00:33:36,405 --> 00:33:39,452
♪ Get that vagina
Get that vagina ♪
686
00:33:39,495 --> 00:33:43,325
♪ Get that, get that, get that
687
00:33:43,369 --> 00:33:47,242
[Don] I got married.
We had a baby, and now we
have, we have a family.
688
00:33:47,286 --> 00:33:51,159
[Roger] How did Don Blanquito,
who wanted to be single
forever, get married?
689
00:33:51,203 --> 00:33:53,770
[Don] And I was not
anticipating this, and I was
not in the mood for it.
690
00:33:53,814 --> 00:33:55,729
I was on the battlefield
for fucking 15 years,
691
00:33:55,772 --> 00:33:57,644
whatever it was,
just going, going strong
692
00:33:57,687 --> 00:33:59,820
representing for mankind,
reprodu-- on the reproduction
693
00:33:59,863 --> 00:34:01,474
tip, and just being
a fucking animal and a maniac.
694
00:34:01,517 --> 00:34:03,911
I met the one girl
who just captivated me.
695
00:34:03,954 --> 00:34:06,653
-She had all of the ingredients.
-[Yasmin] He's not a normal guy.
696
00:34:06,696 --> 00:34:09,612
He have a lot of girls,
have a crazy life,
a lot of drink,
697
00:34:09,656 --> 00:34:15,444
parties, for he change a lot
life, a new life, my dreams.
698
00:34:15,488 --> 00:34:19,666
He have a family, and stick
together, and I fight for this.
699
00:34:19,709 --> 00:34:21,494
[Roger] Did you fight for
this marriage to happen?
700
00:34:21,537 --> 00:34:23,887
Yes, for sure. [chuckles]
701
00:34:23,931 --> 00:34:26,629
-It's not easy for marriage.
-Yeah, she went in for the kill.
702
00:34:26,673 --> 00:34:29,850
-[laughs]
-I think she's a pit bull, man.
She's not a chihuahua.
703
00:34:29,893 --> 00:34:32,461
-This is a fucking pit bull.
-I think I saved your life.
704
00:34:32,505 --> 00:34:34,942
-You did save my life.
-You probably go in Brazil,
705
00:34:34,985 --> 00:34:36,944
have a lot of kids
with different woman--
706
00:34:36,987 --> 00:34:40,643
-Get shot.
-Then, probably, or in the jail
707
00:34:40,687 --> 00:34:43,124
or in the hospital
because you drink a lot.
708
00:34:43,168 --> 00:34:45,474
I save his life.
You never said thank you for me.
709
00:34:45,518 --> 00:34:48,782
Thank you, mi amor, I love you.
Thank you for saving my life.
710
00:34:48,825 --> 00:34:51,306
And the best part about Brazil
is that I brought
a piece of it with me.
711
00:34:51,350 --> 00:34:54,309
My daughter was born
in Botafogo, my daughter
is Carioca. And I'm
712
00:34:54,353 --> 00:34:56,572
so proud to have a daughter
that's Brazilian and from Rio,
713
00:34:56,616 --> 00:34:59,488
but things happen for
a reason and at the right time.
714
00:34:59,532 --> 00:35:00,968
If it were up to me, I wouldn't
have a baby at that time.
715
00:35:01,011 --> 00:35:02,926
-You don't, you don't plan it.
-I plan.
716
00:35:02,970 --> 00:35:05,842
It's my decision, because this
I know, the woman's the boss.
717
00:35:05,886 --> 00:35:10,847
I plan my daughter and she born,
everything is, I want it.
718
00:35:11,413 --> 00:35:12,675
-Really?
-Yeah.
719
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,721
-That's fucked up.
-[Yasmin laughs]
720
00:35:16,070 --> 00:35:18,768
-No--
-And now you so happy,
can you imagine your life,
721
00:35:18,812 --> 00:35:21,467
-you no have your daughter.
-No, that's what I'm saying,
like, you know, like,
722
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:24,296
if you were to ask me,
"Do you want a kid next year?"
I'd say that's fucking crazy.
723
00:35:24,339 --> 00:35:26,515
-I want to wait ten more years.
-[Roger] Is he
a good father now?
724
00:35:26,559 --> 00:35:28,082
He's a really good father.
725
00:35:28,126 --> 00:35:29,779
She saw a good thing
726
00:35:29,823 --> 00:35:31,259
-and she grabbed it.
-[laughs]
727
00:35:33,043 --> 00:35:35,611
I grabbed it too,
you know what I'm saying?
Listen, I'm grateful.
728
00:35:35,655 --> 00:35:37,613
I'm grateful at the end of
the day, would I do it again?
729
00:35:37,657 --> 00:35:39,398
Absolutely, the exact
same fucking way.
730
00:35:39,441 --> 00:35:41,400
♪ I do it all over again
731
00:35:47,275 --> 00:35:48,842
[Don] Listen, man,
if I can get married,
732
00:35:48,885 --> 00:35:50,887
and I can create
a family, you know,
733
00:35:50,931 --> 00:35:52,976
fucking, anything is possible.
734
00:35:53,020 --> 00:35:55,762
[Roger] Even the most single guy
in the world found love,
735
00:35:55,805 --> 00:35:59,069
an attraction greater
than even he could resist.
736
00:35:59,113 --> 00:36:01,550
What causes attraction
between individuals?
737
00:36:01,594 --> 00:36:03,900
We look at
facial characteristics.
We look at bodily
738
00:36:03,944 --> 00:36:05,989
characteristics.
There's, there's sense.
739
00:36:06,033 --> 00:36:08,775
There are smells that,
uh, that tell you
740
00:36:08,818 --> 00:36:11,473
that you've got a, a genetic
future for your children.
741
00:36:11,517 --> 00:36:14,911
Genetics is the basis
of a lot of attraction.
742
00:36:14,955 --> 00:36:17,131
We think we're choosing
a mate, we're choosing
743
00:36:17,175 --> 00:36:19,481
to have children, we're choosing
to get married or not,
744
00:36:19,525 --> 00:36:21,962
but in reality,
this is all programmed
745
00:36:22,005 --> 00:36:23,746
for genetic reasons.
746
00:36:23,790 --> 00:36:27,359
You feel, uh, that you like
this particular person,
747
00:36:27,402 --> 00:36:30,753
you have no idea why,
but somewhere inside your body
748
00:36:30,797 --> 00:36:34,627
there's some sort
of chemical signal
coming through that's saying,
749
00:36:34,670 --> 00:36:36,977
"Yeah, this one has
got good genes.
750
00:36:37,020 --> 00:36:39,022
You know, you should
like this person."
751
00:36:39,066 --> 00:36:43,026
There are subconscious
mechanisms for determining
752
00:36:43,070 --> 00:36:46,291
who is going to be a good...
753
00:36:47,509 --> 00:36:50,643
father to your children
biologically.
754
00:36:50,686 --> 00:36:52,993
This has nothing to do with
whether he has a good job,
755
00:36:53,036 --> 00:36:56,214
whether he's going
to stick around,
whether he's good-looking even.
756
00:36:57,171 --> 00:37:00,479
Women have
mechanisms for sensing
757
00:37:00,522 --> 00:37:04,570
the genetic signature
of a man's immune system.
758
00:37:04,613 --> 00:37:07,137
There's even a study that
was done by Claus Wedekind
759
00:37:07,181 --> 00:37:10,053
in Germany called,
the, the T-shirt study,
760
00:37:10,097 --> 00:37:13,535
where women selected
the best smelling T-shirt
761
00:37:13,579 --> 00:37:16,756
that guys had worn for a couple
of days, and it turned out
762
00:37:16,799 --> 00:37:20,281
the T-shirt that smelled
the best was worn by
763
00:37:20,325 --> 00:37:24,024
the man who was most
genetically different from them,
764
00:37:24,067 --> 00:37:28,028
on the genes of the major
histocompatibility complex,
765
00:37:28,071 --> 00:37:29,769
which is the genes
of the immune system.
766
00:37:29,812 --> 00:37:31,727
How important is kissing
767
00:37:31,771 --> 00:37:34,295
to determining whether
someone is right for you?
768
00:37:34,339 --> 00:37:36,819
This is a way
for humans to assess
769
00:37:36,863 --> 00:37:38,734
whether another person has, uh,
770
00:37:38,778 --> 00:37:41,520
immunological system
that's mismatched to yours.
771
00:37:41,563 --> 00:37:43,696
So, you actually don't
want to mate with somebody who's
772
00:37:43,739 --> 00:37:46,960
really good at being immune to
the same diseases as you are.
773
00:37:47,003 --> 00:37:50,050
You want somebody who's really
good at being immune to
different diseases
774
00:37:50,093 --> 00:37:52,444
than you are, because that means
your offspring
775
00:37:52,487 --> 00:37:55,664
will be more diverse
in your immunological system,
776
00:37:55,708 --> 00:37:57,884
and that would improve
their chances of survival.
777
00:37:57,927 --> 00:38:00,408
People don't look for
their clone.
778
00:38:00,452 --> 00:38:04,934
And so, all of the matching
algorithms on dating sites are
completely wrong.
779
00:38:05,587 --> 00:38:09,417
We're looking for somebody who's
really, pretty different from
us, but very interesting.
780
00:38:09,461 --> 00:38:13,682
There's been a movement from
online services like eHarmony
781
00:38:13,726 --> 00:38:17,425
that are profile based,
and online services like Tinder.
782
00:38:18,905 --> 00:38:21,603
Tinder lets you scroll
through people,
look at their pictures,
783
00:38:21,647 --> 00:38:24,998
and if you like the way
they look, find out if they're
close by and then go meet them.
784
00:38:25,912 --> 00:38:28,871
And that's pretty great,
actually, because it
boils it down
785
00:38:28,915 --> 00:38:31,221
to the only thing that matters,
which is, if you sort of like
786
00:38:31,265 --> 00:38:33,136
how they look,
and are they close?
787
00:38:33,180 --> 00:38:34,616
What are men looking for
in a woman?
788
00:38:34,660 --> 00:38:37,619
Guys want a woman
who has a beautiful face.
789
00:38:37,663 --> 00:38:40,405
This could be a woman who
has symmetrical features.
790
00:38:40,448 --> 00:38:45,061
To be genuinely asymmetric
is a worrying sign
791
00:38:45,105 --> 00:38:47,673
in a potential mate, 'cause it
means there's a mutation.
792
00:38:47,716 --> 00:38:51,720
Men's eyes pick up
congruence in the body,
793
00:38:52,547 --> 00:38:56,725
waist differences, because
they're passing their gene pool
794
00:38:56,769 --> 00:38:59,162
on to the healthiest woman.
795
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:04,080
And we now know that
beauty is congruence.
796
00:39:04,124 --> 00:39:07,432
People tend to agree about
who's attractive and who's not.
797
00:39:07,475 --> 00:39:09,042
-All around the world?
-Yeah.
798
00:39:09,085 --> 00:39:12,524
So, the hottest person
in Japan, for example,
799
00:39:12,567 --> 00:39:15,265
rated by Japanese people,
will also be the hottest person
800
00:39:15,309 --> 00:39:17,398
when rated by people
from United States.
801
00:39:17,442 --> 00:39:20,662
Women are looking mostly
at a man's resume.
802
00:39:20,706 --> 00:39:23,535
Young women want
status and security
803
00:39:23,578 --> 00:39:26,276
because they're on estrogen,
they're building families.
804
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,889
Women's criteria for what
they find attractive in men
805
00:39:29,932 --> 00:39:33,458
changes depending
upon where they are in
their menstrual cycle.
806
00:39:33,501 --> 00:39:36,896
So, women who are ovulating, for
example, are much more attracted
807
00:39:36,939 --> 00:39:41,683
to men who openly display
a certain kind of genetic vigor,
808
00:39:41,727 --> 00:39:43,772
with the square jaw
and the muscles
809
00:39:43,816 --> 00:39:45,992
and the broad shoulders
and all that kind of thing.
810
00:39:46,035 --> 00:39:48,603
Whereas when they're not
ovulating, they might be
more attracted
811
00:39:48,647 --> 00:39:53,086
to someone who doesn't,
uh, display those things,
but displays,
812
00:39:53,129 --> 00:39:56,524
uh, trustworthiness
and seems safer.
813
00:39:56,568 --> 00:39:59,788
So, they sort of like the bad
boys when they're ovulating
814
00:39:59,832 --> 00:40:01,834
and the good boys when
they're not ovulating.
815
00:40:01,877 --> 00:40:04,532
Which is why men find women
so incomprehensible,
816
00:40:04,576 --> 00:40:06,969
he's like, "Wait a minute,
a week ago, she was into me
817
00:40:07,013 --> 00:40:09,624
-and now she's not, why?"
-You got to wait
till next month.
818
00:40:09,668 --> 00:40:13,498
Men are terrified of women
that want to get married.
819
00:40:14,803 --> 00:40:17,806
When they find a woman that
doesn't want to get married,
820
00:40:17,850 --> 00:40:19,808
it's a challenge.
821
00:40:19,852 --> 00:40:22,768
So how do you demonstrate that
you don't want to marry?
822
00:40:22,811 --> 00:40:25,901
I live my life as
if I enjoy my life.
823
00:40:25,945 --> 00:40:28,077
Someone who's happy
in their life.
824
00:40:28,121 --> 00:40:30,210
They're not looking for
someone to be their hero,
825
00:40:30,253 --> 00:40:33,126
to save them, to rescue
them from their misery.
826
00:40:33,169 --> 00:40:38,131
If someone says,
"Hey, I'm having trouble
attracting other people,"
827
00:40:38,174 --> 00:40:40,829
-what do you tell them to do?
-Project confidence.
828
00:40:40,873 --> 00:40:45,704
Confidence is by far and away
the most attractive quality to
both sexes.
829
00:40:45,747 --> 00:40:50,230
Key piece of advice for
a man is: have a plan,
be a guy, take control.
830
00:40:50,273 --> 00:40:54,103
Before a guy even
touches a girl,
831
00:40:54,147 --> 00:40:57,367
before a husband even touches
a wife, he's got to touch
her soul.
832
00:40:57,411 --> 00:41:00,675
Otherwise, why do
people pull muscles
and why do people mess up
833
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,895
their joints? Because
the joints aren't warmed up.
834
00:41:02,938 --> 00:41:06,072
-We've got to warm up
our love muscle, is that--
-Exactly, exactly.
835
00:41:06,115 --> 00:41:08,988
How do we warm up our love
muscle? By touching the soul.
836
00:41:09,031 --> 00:41:11,207
How do you touch the soul?
Communication.
837
00:41:11,251 --> 00:41:13,775
When you're first getting
to know someone, the most
important thing is
838
00:41:13,819 --> 00:41:18,040
that you avoid debating them.
You don't want to argue.
839
00:41:18,084 --> 00:41:20,521
You don't
want to talk about money,
'cause it's a slippery slope.
840
00:41:20,565 --> 00:41:22,610
You either sound like
you're bragging or sound
like you're broke.
841
00:41:22,654 --> 00:41:24,525
Bringing up past relationships.
842
00:41:24,569 --> 00:41:26,440
You don't want to talk
about the past.
843
00:41:26,484 --> 00:41:29,530
Sometimes men do this because
they want to impress women,
844
00:41:29,574 --> 00:41:32,272
but they talk
about themselves a lot.
845
00:41:32,315 --> 00:41:34,709
And they'll come back
and they want to go out
with the woman again,
846
00:41:34,753 --> 00:41:36,624
and the woman does not
want to go out with again,
847
00:41:36,668 --> 00:41:39,584
because she's interpreting that
as lack of interest in her.
848
00:41:39,627 --> 00:41:41,629
[Neil] When I was out
there doing "The Game,"
meeting people,
849
00:41:41,673 --> 00:41:43,892
I was never worried about
that great looking
850
00:41:43,936 --> 00:41:47,026
underwear model guy, ever.
That was not competition.
851
00:41:47,069 --> 00:41:49,637
I generally found people who
were less attractive
who wanted to feel
852
00:41:49,681 --> 00:41:51,944
like they are more attractive,
would go off with that guy.
853
00:41:51,987 --> 00:41:55,034
And the people who already
weren't worried about their
attraction,
854
00:41:55,077 --> 00:41:59,038
uh, 'cause they were gorgeous,
might talk to me, 'cause they
wanted to feel smarter.
855
00:41:59,081 --> 00:42:02,128
So there was always something
that people are looking to get,
some unmet need met.
856
00:42:02,171 --> 00:42:04,870
So if you want to seduce
somebody, if you can identify
857
00:42:04,913 --> 00:42:06,959
their unmet need and provide it,
858
00:42:07,002 --> 00:42:09,309
-that's the way in?
-Identify their unmet need...
859
00:42:10,876 --> 00:42:13,400
let them know you have it
and not provide it.
860
00:42:13,443 --> 00:42:16,577
[laughs] 'Cause once you've
provided they're done with you.
861
00:42:17,143 --> 00:42:18,710
[Roger] Who's the boss,
more often than not,
862
00:42:18,753 --> 00:42:20,233
in relationships,
the man or the woman?
863
00:42:20,276 --> 00:42:21,451
-Women.
-The woman.
864
00:42:21,495 --> 00:42:22,365
-Women.
-Women.
865
00:42:22,409 --> 00:42:23,366
We're in charge.
866
00:42:23,410 --> 00:42:24,672
I like to think it's me.
867
00:42:24,716 --> 00:42:27,022
The saying that I have is,
868
00:42:27,066 --> 00:42:29,416
Norma wears the makeup
and the pants in the family.
869
00:42:29,459 --> 00:42:32,680
-[Roger] Who's the boss
in the relationship?
-He is.
870
00:42:33,289 --> 00:42:35,117
See? He is.
871
00:42:35,161 --> 00:42:38,294
-[Roger] For how long?
-For how long? About an hour.
872
00:42:38,338 --> 00:42:41,559
I'm a figurehead, which is, uh,
a very old and ancient custom,
873
00:42:41,602 --> 00:42:44,300
where you stand around and smile
a lot and are blamed for things
that go wrong.
874
00:42:44,344 --> 00:42:46,781
I'm the hand.
I move pieces around.
875
00:42:46,825 --> 00:42:48,174
The woman is the boss.
876
00:42:48,217 --> 00:42:51,612
I have absolute say at the end,
877
00:42:51,656 --> 00:42:55,007
-but I don't say anything.
-I'm David's current wife,
878
00:42:55,050 --> 00:42:57,400
Dutchess is his ex-wife...
879
00:42:57,444 --> 00:42:59,446
-and--
-[Roger] And you all
still live together?
880
00:42:59,489 --> 00:43:01,753
We all live together.
We co-parent together.
881
00:43:01,796 --> 00:43:05,278
They had three children
together, and we all raised them
here in this house.
882
00:43:05,321 --> 00:43:08,803
They're just gonna do what
they're going to do,
and our job is
883
00:43:08,847 --> 00:43:11,589
-just to hang tight
and just live with it.
-[Mony] That's your opinion.
884
00:43:11,632 --> 00:43:15,375
You need to say what you want,
and if he loves me,
he will comply.
885
00:43:15,418 --> 00:43:17,551
How can you identify
which one is the boss?
886
00:43:17,595 --> 00:43:20,206
The one with the veto right.
Checks and balances.
887
00:43:20,249 --> 00:43:23,731
You guys ask for a lot of things
even you know you shouldn't get.
888
00:43:23,775 --> 00:43:27,866
Even when a guy is the boss,
the woman is the boss
of the boss.
889
00:43:27,909 --> 00:43:31,304
It's like, maybe the man is
the boss until the woman
gets really upset.
890
00:43:31,347 --> 00:43:36,222
Sometimes the man might
have a different opinion,
but if she's not happy,
891
00:43:36,265 --> 00:43:39,399
he's not happy, and then he
might have a change of opinion.
892
00:43:39,442 --> 00:43:41,662
The man has the last word.
You know what the last word is?
893
00:43:41,706 --> 00:43:43,229
"Yes, sweetheart.
Yes, sweetheart."
894
00:43:43,272 --> 00:43:45,710
-Why is this the case?
-Because once
895
00:43:45,753 --> 00:43:48,930
he gives her what she wants,
she'll let him do
whatever he wants.
896
00:43:48,974 --> 00:43:52,499
If a man is not giving her
her spiritual needs,
897
00:43:52,542 --> 00:43:54,893
then her material demands
are going to be endless.
898
00:43:54,936 --> 00:43:57,896
You are simple
creatures compared to us.
899
00:43:57,939 --> 00:44:00,420
We are the center
of the human race
900
00:44:00,463 --> 00:44:02,509
but you have conned us.
901
00:44:02,552 --> 00:44:06,600
Man have conned us into thinking
we're on Earth for you.
902
00:44:07,906 --> 00:44:11,605
You're on Earth for us
903
00:44:11,649 --> 00:44:17,480
and the kids, and if you do
a good job we'll keep you alive
904
00:44:17,524 --> 00:44:19,700
when you're an old fart.
905
00:44:19,744 --> 00:44:21,746
[Claire] If you're expecting
that emotion
906
00:44:21,789 --> 00:44:23,617
is going to win out,
you're absolutely right.
907
00:44:23,661 --> 00:44:26,402
Women tend to come from a more
emotional standpoint
908
00:44:26,446 --> 00:44:28,361
if there is a conflict
or a problem.
909
00:44:28,404 --> 00:44:32,321
Women have a better way of being
able to manage their feelings.
910
00:44:32,365 --> 00:44:37,500
So, therefore, women may appear
to have more power and be more
in control.
911
00:44:37,544 --> 00:44:40,503
The reason that men honestly
don't think they're the boss
912
00:44:40,547 --> 00:44:44,116
is because women internally
make the compromises
913
00:44:44,159 --> 00:44:46,379
before the discussion goes on.
914
00:44:46,422 --> 00:44:49,991
women are pre-negotiating
before they even get to
the negotiating table?
915
00:44:50,035 --> 00:44:52,515
One of the things we try
to teach women is to say,
916
00:44:52,559 --> 00:44:54,517
"Well, I actually
don't want to do this.
917
00:44:54,561 --> 00:44:58,260
I want to do these
three or four things."
918
00:44:59,218 --> 00:45:02,743
And not be afraid to, to say
one of the four things
919
00:45:02,787 --> 00:45:06,747
that he might not like,
but then let him make
some choices there.
920
00:45:06,791 --> 00:45:08,706
That's the way
to go back and forth.
921
00:45:08,749 --> 00:45:10,795
Every relationship is
partly a power struggle,
922
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,450
because people in a marriage
923
00:45:14,494 --> 00:45:17,715
are sharing resources.
There's a lot more negotiation
924
00:45:18,803 --> 00:45:22,067
in contemporary marriage
than there ever had
to be historically.
925
00:45:22,110 --> 00:45:26,114
And whenever you
have more negotiation, as
opposed to its one person say,
926
00:45:26,158 --> 00:45:29,074
you have more opportunity for
conflict. And it requires
927
00:45:29,117 --> 00:45:34,209
higher interpersonal skills,
more interpersonal competence
928
00:45:34,253 --> 00:45:38,692
to negotiate, than to have
things like, "This is my say
and that's your say."
929
00:45:38,736 --> 00:45:42,565
Why do women get the power roll,
power position in marriages?
930
00:45:42,609 --> 00:45:45,177
Every woman that you know,
if you were to go out and do
931
00:45:45,220 --> 00:45:47,875
a survey on this documentary
with women
932
00:45:47,919 --> 00:45:51,749
about how many guys
do they have in their phone
933
00:45:52,619 --> 00:45:54,621
that they could
just call up right away
934
00:45:54,664 --> 00:45:56,797
and come ask,
to ask the penis...
935
00:45:57,842 --> 00:46:01,976
another guy, "Come and get
the coochie." See how many
would come right away.
936
00:46:02,020 --> 00:46:04,500
-Pretty much all of them.
-Pretty much all the guys
in their phone.
937
00:46:04,544 --> 00:46:06,807
That's every guy in their phone.
Now, go to a guy
938
00:46:06,851 --> 00:46:09,592
and ask him, out of all
the women in his phone,
939
00:46:09,636 --> 00:46:13,248
which one could he call, and
they would come over right away
and give him coochie.
940
00:46:13,292 --> 00:46:15,033
-He'd be lucky to have one.
-Exactly.
941
00:46:15,076 --> 00:46:18,210
For a woman who wants penis,
they're readily available.
942
00:46:18,253 --> 00:46:21,735
For a man who wants a vagina,
you got to work a lot harder.
943
00:46:21,779 --> 00:46:24,346
So, if you are in control
of the more valuable item,
944
00:46:24,390 --> 00:46:26,435
you're going to have
the power in a relationship.
945
00:46:26,479 --> 00:46:28,568
Right. He who has the gold
makes the rule.
946
00:46:28,611 --> 00:46:33,703
The power struggle stage is
the bridge to real life love.
947
00:46:33,747 --> 00:46:37,577
Now, you can't get to real life
love until you go through
the power struggle,
948
00:46:37,620 --> 00:46:42,103
but people leave and get
divorced at the power struggle
stage instead of working harder.
949
00:46:42,147 --> 00:46:45,106
[Roger] Tell me the secret.
How can I get more out of
the negotiation
950
00:46:45,150 --> 00:46:47,195
with my partner,
so I get more of what I want?
951
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,719
If you want more
of what you want,
952
00:46:50,329 --> 00:46:52,635
give her more of what she wants.
953
00:46:52,679 --> 00:46:56,074
Because then she's going
to be in a generous mood.
954
00:46:56,117 --> 00:46:59,033
[Roger] We have some pretty
strong agreement that the woman
is the boss.
955
00:46:59,077 --> 00:47:01,644
I think it may have something
to do with logic versus emotion,
956
00:47:01,688 --> 00:47:05,866
because emotion will always
trump logic, love always wins.
957
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:07,999
Did Carlton say he loved you
when he married you?
958
00:47:08,042 --> 00:47:12,264
Oh, we didn't discuss that.
Compatibility comes first.
959
00:47:12,307 --> 00:47:15,180
You have to get along
in order to live together.
960
00:47:15,745 --> 00:47:18,661
-[Roger] What is love?
-[Matt] It's a desire
to monopolize,
961
00:47:18,705 --> 00:47:21,751
sexually and socially,
another individual.
962
00:47:21,795 --> 00:47:23,536
Most people think
it's just their feeling,
963
00:47:23,579 --> 00:47:27,235
"I feel a loving sensation,
so therefore I must love."
964
00:47:27,279 --> 00:47:31,109
If it's not followed up
by action, that you
can clearly see
965
00:47:31,152 --> 00:47:34,590
this person is behaving in
a loving way, then I don't
think it counts.
966
00:47:34,634 --> 00:47:37,158
Where does the modern
world get it wrong?
967
00:47:37,202 --> 00:47:39,378
Because they've merged
two bodies, and they think
968
00:47:39,421 --> 00:47:41,859
love is connection
of two bodies.
969
00:47:41,902 --> 00:47:44,687
That's not love.
That's physical infatuation,
970
00:47:44,731 --> 00:47:46,254
it has nothing to do with love.
971
00:47:46,298 --> 00:47:49,562
What is love? Love is giving.
972
00:47:49,605 --> 00:47:54,349
When do you feel best? When
you're giving love or when
you're receiving it?
973
00:47:54,393 --> 00:47:58,397
The feeling good comes from
the fact that you're giving it,
'cause it's coming from you.
974
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:03,706
Because you can't feel
their love. What you're feeling
is yourself loving that person.
975
00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:08,494
Men don't fall in love
when they receive. They fall
in love when they give.
976
00:48:09,364 --> 00:48:15,022
Women do not bond when they
give, they only bond when
they receive.
977
00:48:15,718 --> 00:48:18,852
So, women that are nervous,
give away sex.
978
00:48:18,896 --> 00:48:19,897
Do you know why?
979
00:48:20,723 --> 00:48:21,899
Puts them in charge.
980
00:48:22,377 --> 00:48:25,119
There's always
strings attached to love.
981
00:48:25,163 --> 00:48:27,469
It's like, "I love you,
982
00:48:27,513 --> 00:48:30,690
if you're honest,
if you're faithful
983
00:48:30,733 --> 00:48:33,345
if you communicate,
if you respect."
984
00:48:33,388 --> 00:48:36,914
It's almost like you are, um,
addicted when you're in love.
985
00:48:36,957 --> 00:48:39,612
what are love addicts
addicted to?
986
00:48:39,655 --> 00:48:42,702
Dopamine, serotonin,
norepinephrine.
987
00:48:42,745 --> 00:48:44,922
[Bonnie] The oxytocin,
it's called the cuddle hormone.
988
00:48:44,965 --> 00:48:46,836
It makes us feel
safe and bonded.
989
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:50,188
They get married, then she goes
off the pill, gets pregnant.
990
00:48:51,841 --> 00:48:53,278
And then?
991
00:48:53,321 --> 00:48:54,888
She finds the guy repulsive.
992
00:48:54,932 --> 00:48:57,238
She doesn't want to sleep
in the same bed with him.
993
00:48:57,282 --> 00:48:59,937
So, how do they conceptualize
that? They see that as,
994
00:48:59,980 --> 00:49:01,721
"Oh, that's
the stress of the kid.
995
00:49:01,764 --> 00:49:03,810
It's just we've
been married too long,
996
00:49:03,853 --> 00:49:06,508
whatever, the relationship's
gone sour." No.
997
00:49:06,552 --> 00:49:11,426
It's just that you were short
circuiting this biological
chemical...
998
00:49:12,340 --> 00:49:15,387
interaction.
And now you're not anymore.
999
00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:17,998
-By being on birth control?
-By being on the birth
control pill.
1000
00:49:18,042 --> 00:49:21,697
And now the woman's
body is saying, "No, that's
not the right partner for you."
1001
00:49:21,741 --> 00:49:24,091
It doesn't matter
if he's Brad Pitt.
1002
00:49:24,135 --> 00:49:27,007
It doesn't matter if he's
a millionaire, it--
All these things
1003
00:49:27,051 --> 00:49:31,229
that, that the conventional
theorists will tell you
are, are essential
1004
00:49:31,272 --> 00:49:33,971
to women's attractive--
attraction to men.
1005
00:49:34,014 --> 00:49:37,409
Those things are overridden
by the biological attraction.
1006
00:49:37,452 --> 00:49:39,889
Couples should go off
the pill for at least
1007
00:49:39,933 --> 00:49:42,066
a year before they make any
long-term commitments,
1008
00:49:42,109 --> 00:49:44,807
because they might
not be compatible.
1009
00:49:44,851 --> 00:49:47,245
[Roger] Of course,
we have to talk about sex.
1010
00:49:47,288 --> 00:49:48,681
How important is sex
to marriage?
1011
00:49:48,724 --> 00:49:51,597
Extremely important.
1012
00:49:52,163 --> 00:49:56,341
Extremely, extreme-- Sex is
extremely important to marriage.
1013
00:49:56,384 --> 00:49:57,820
[laughing]
1014
00:49:57,864 --> 00:50:00,736
Sex is extremely
important to marriage!
1015
00:50:00,780 --> 00:50:04,088
Sex is as important to the
relationship as it is important
1016
00:50:04,131 --> 00:50:06,525
to the people who are in
the relationship, some people,
1017
00:50:06,568 --> 00:50:09,049
they don't have a high sex
drive. It's not something--
1018
00:50:09,093 --> 00:50:11,617
They would prefer comfort,
they prefer a different
kind of connection.
1019
00:50:11,660 --> 00:50:13,967
In life you need sex
just to, just to
1020
00:50:14,011 --> 00:50:16,578
maintain mental composure,
chemical composure.
1021
00:50:16,622 --> 00:50:19,625
The longer you don't come,
have you noticed that
the more fights occur?
1022
00:50:20,147 --> 00:50:21,931
You start to become, go crazy.
1023
00:50:21,975 --> 00:50:24,760
You start to get angry and
your head starts to go nuts.
1024
00:50:24,804 --> 00:50:27,067
So, I feel that ejaculation
is, is, is-- all of the sudden,
1025
00:50:27,111 --> 00:50:28,938
like, once you come,
the relationship gets better.
1026
00:50:28,982 --> 00:50:30,636
There's such a thing called NSB,
1027
00:50:30,679 --> 00:50:32,725
which stands for
Nasty Sperm Buildup,
1028
00:50:32,768 --> 00:50:35,902
and that will change
a whole man's demeanor.
1029
00:50:35,945 --> 00:50:39,993
And so, you got to express that,
it needs to be expelled
from the body.
1030
00:50:40,037 --> 00:50:43,170
He gets cranky
if he doesn't get sex.
1031
00:50:43,214 --> 00:50:46,826
So, if I want a smooth marriage
and I want to, you know,
1032
00:50:46,869 --> 00:50:52,788
not manipulate but get what
I want, then I know that, like--
1033
00:50:52,832 --> 00:50:55,052
-You got to give it up.
-You better give it up.
1034
00:50:55,095 --> 00:50:56,879
[laughs]
1035
00:50:56,923 --> 00:50:59,752
It's so funny that
even that phrase is a scarcity,
1036
00:50:59,795 --> 00:51:01,406
like somebody
taking something from you.
1037
00:51:01,449 --> 00:51:04,496
It's like, no,
it's really a gauge
1038
00:51:04,539 --> 00:51:06,454
of our relationship.
1039
00:51:06,498 --> 00:51:09,501
Even if a couple
is very conflictual
and they fight a lot,
1040
00:51:09,544 --> 00:51:11,633
the sex is the glue
that keeps them together.
1041
00:51:11,677 --> 00:51:14,288
Couples that I worked
with who stopped having sex,
1042
00:51:15,376 --> 00:51:18,118
they don't feel married,
they feel like roommates.
1043
00:51:18,162 --> 00:51:21,948
They have to have sex a minimum
of once a week to stay
chemically bonded.
1044
00:51:21,991 --> 00:51:23,993
The first marriage...
1045
00:51:24,994 --> 00:51:28,694
our sexual relationship was
almost like a reward,
1046
00:51:28,737 --> 00:51:31,000
like, if you're being good,
1047
00:51:31,044 --> 00:51:35,614
then-- Or, "You didn't upset me,
and you've been good,
I'm going to bless you."
1048
00:51:35,657 --> 00:51:38,225
You would get upset,
and I would recoil,
1049
00:51:38,269 --> 00:51:41,837
and I couldn't recover,
but who wants to have sex
1050
00:51:41,881 --> 00:51:44,144
when they in that
mindset, not me.
1051
00:51:44,188 --> 00:51:46,886
It's your responsibility
to your partner
1052
00:51:46,929 --> 00:51:51,151
to service them, because if
you're the only--
This is the only
1053
00:51:51,195 --> 00:51:54,459
place where you can get this
one thing that you really want.
1054
00:51:54,502 --> 00:51:56,722
And sometimes you feel
like you really need,
1055
00:51:56,765 --> 00:51:58,767
then you need to be able
to get it when you want it.
1056
00:51:58,811 --> 00:52:02,641
The problem is that I'm always
tired because... [laughs]
1057
00:52:04,991 --> 00:52:07,080
-So--
-She can always
blame it on the kids.
1058
00:52:07,124 --> 00:52:09,474
Sexual freedom and the way that
we take that for granted,
1059
00:52:09,517 --> 00:52:12,607
it's really something that's
born in the 18th century.
1060
00:52:12,651 --> 00:52:16,785
Before that, everyone agrees
that sexual freedom
1061
00:52:16,829 --> 00:52:19,223
is a bad thing, is a dangerous
thing, that sex outside
1062
00:52:19,266 --> 00:52:22,443
marriage shouldn't
be allowed in the state
1063
00:52:22,487 --> 00:52:24,445
and at the church. And ordinary
people put a huge amount of
1064
00:52:24,489 --> 00:52:27,144
effort into policing
and punishing people for that.
1065
00:52:27,187 --> 00:52:28,623
Then in the 18th century,
1066
00:52:30,277 --> 00:52:32,671
there occurs the first sexual
revolution. For the first time
1067
00:52:32,714 --> 00:52:35,456
people start to
articulate the idea that
1068
00:52:35,500 --> 00:52:37,893
what they do in their own
bedrooms as consenting adults
1069
00:52:37,937 --> 00:52:40,592
-is no one else's business.
-What's the normal
number of times
1070
00:52:40,635 --> 00:52:42,202
for a couple to
have sex per week?
1071
00:52:42,246 --> 00:52:44,073
-I'd say three.
-Two or three.
1072
00:52:44,117 --> 00:52:46,946
-Once, twice.
-Probably once or twice.
1073
00:52:46,989 --> 00:52:50,471
I think the reality is one
and under for married couples.
1074
00:52:50,515 --> 00:52:52,691
-What do you think?
-Um...
1075
00:52:53,387 --> 00:52:57,043
-Yeah, about that.
-I'd settle for twice
a year at this point.
1076
00:52:57,086 --> 00:53:00,829
25% of marriages
in the U.S. are sexless.
1077
00:53:00,873 --> 00:53:04,485
But then if you add in
couples where they're having sex
1078
00:53:05,399 --> 00:53:09,664
out of duty or out of guilt or
out of responsibility or out of
1079
00:53:09,708 --> 00:53:11,797
some kind of religious duty,
1080
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:16,932
my guess is at least 40%
of marriages in the U.S.
1081
00:53:16,976 --> 00:53:22,460
are sexually dead
or, or not doing well.
1082
00:53:22,503 --> 00:53:24,505
How many times was it
when you were single?
1083
00:53:24,549 --> 00:53:28,205
-It was a once, twice a day.
-A day.
1084
00:53:28,248 --> 00:53:29,728
[laughs]
1085
00:53:29,771 --> 00:53:31,904
-Three times a day.
-Five or six a day.
1086
00:53:31,947 --> 00:53:34,776
Like, we have in Judaism,
two weeks on, two weeks off
1087
00:53:34,820 --> 00:53:37,344
as cold turkey,
anytime that the menstrual week
1088
00:53:37,388 --> 00:53:40,782
and one week after,
that is completely taboo.
1089
00:53:40,826 --> 00:53:43,350
I've had people that
make love every 25 years.
1090
00:53:43,394 --> 00:53:45,178
If the couple is happy,
1091
00:53:46,005 --> 00:53:48,007
it's fine. If one person
1092
00:53:48,050 --> 00:53:50,575
thinks there's a problem, that's
a definition of a problem.
1093
00:53:51,184 --> 00:53:53,969
[Roger] What causes passion
and how do we get it back
when it's gone?
1094
00:53:54,013 --> 00:53:58,974
Mother Nature only
gives us a cocktail about
maybe three years of this hot
1095
00:53:59,018 --> 00:54:01,542
chemistry between
two people. "Oh, my God.
1096
00:54:01,586 --> 00:54:04,763
I'm so in love, and I merge
with this person, so it can get
1097
00:54:04,806 --> 00:54:08,288
babies out of us, and then
it's gone in like three years,
1098
00:54:08,332 --> 00:54:10,421
and then we're kind of
left in this relationship."
1099
00:54:10,464 --> 00:54:13,467
Why can't we have butterflies
in our stomach for our
partner forever?
1100
00:54:13,511 --> 00:54:16,340
Short answer is, is you
would die, that would actually
1101
00:54:16,383 --> 00:54:19,865
become toxic to your body
over time, to keep releasing
1102
00:54:19,908 --> 00:54:22,433
that level of hormone.
When you're madly in love
with somebody,
1103
00:54:22,476 --> 00:54:25,305
it's actually hard to
live the rest of your life. Uh,
1104
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:28,787
you're distracted, uh,
you tend to obsess about them.
1105
00:54:28,830 --> 00:54:30,876
The masculine, feminine
dynamic is really important
1106
00:54:30,919 --> 00:54:33,270
to relationship,
in order to have real spark,
1107
00:54:33,313 --> 00:54:35,272
to have real attraction
in a relationship,
1108
00:54:35,315 --> 00:54:38,231
it requires polar opposites. To
create really strong attraction,
1109
00:54:38,275 --> 00:54:40,538
you need a strong masculine
and a strong feminine energy.
1110
00:54:40,581 --> 00:54:42,540
That's where the, the polarity
and the spark comes.
1111
00:54:42,583 --> 00:54:45,194
Sometimes women think that
that's a weakness to be
feminine.
1112
00:54:45,238 --> 00:54:47,109
Most men don't want
a very masculine woman.
1113
00:54:47,153 --> 00:54:52,898
Attraction plus an obstacle
equals passion, right?
1114
00:54:52,941 --> 00:54:56,554
You think of all the great
love stories in history,
Romeo and Juliet.
1115
00:54:56,597 --> 00:54:59,600
"No, you can't be together.
You can't possibly be together."
1116
00:54:59,644 --> 00:55:01,907
You think of any story,
you know, along those lines,
1117
00:55:01,950 --> 00:55:07,086
there's always an obstacle,
the family, distance,
war, whatever it is.
1118
00:55:08,217 --> 00:55:10,872
Well, what do we do when we
marry someone or when we have a
1119
00:55:10,916 --> 00:55:13,701
long-term relationship with
someone, we remove the obstacle.
1120
00:55:13,745 --> 00:55:16,356
So then what happens?
Passion diminishes.
1121
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,054
So, to rekindle passion
you've got to place
obstacles back in your path?
1122
00:55:19,098 --> 00:55:22,362
Right, relationships that
are long-distance, relationships
1123
00:55:22,406 --> 00:55:25,844
where one or both of the
partners is away working often,
1124
00:55:26,758 --> 00:55:30,631
relationships, which
are very tumultuous, right?
1125
00:55:30,675 --> 00:55:33,330
"You don't love me."
"I do love you."
And then make up sex, right?
1126
00:55:33,373 --> 00:55:35,506
You got to fight all the time.
1127
00:55:35,549 --> 00:55:37,812
Those things are functional
1128
00:55:37,856 --> 00:55:42,077
for maintaining passion because
they constantly create distance.
1129
00:55:42,121 --> 00:55:45,124
[Sheila] when we had first met,
Norma moved across the country.
1130
00:55:45,167 --> 00:55:47,866
-So our entire
relationship was...
-It's long distance.
1131
00:55:47,909 --> 00:55:51,957
...was me staying up till
four o'clock in the morning
with a thesaurus
1132
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:56,396
trying to write two sentences
that were clever and witty and
1133
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,791
bright and smart like she
was, and just subtly romantic.
1134
00:55:59,834 --> 00:56:03,838
The function of sexual
attraction is to close distance,
1135
00:56:03,882 --> 00:56:06,101
but once you've
closed the distance,
1136
00:56:06,145 --> 00:56:07,973
then that pole is gone.
1137
00:56:08,016 --> 00:56:11,193
And that's as, as
natural and unavoidable
1138
00:56:11,237 --> 00:56:14,066
as, you know,
when you eat, hunger's gone,
1139
00:56:14,109 --> 00:56:16,155
of course it is,
you satisfied the hunger.
1140
00:56:16,198 --> 00:56:18,549
-Sometimes need space.
-Need some space.
You do need space.
1141
00:56:18,592 --> 00:56:21,421
Space is definitely a thing,
and also just, like,
to breathe deep and just
1142
00:56:21,465 --> 00:56:23,728
leave, you know, blaze a J,
whatever you got to do.
1143
00:56:23,771 --> 00:56:25,686
We're just fucking... [exhales]
1144
00:56:25,730 --> 00:56:28,428
-Woosa.
-And miss each other,
because we have
1145
00:56:28,472 --> 00:56:30,691
a very intense marriage.
1146
00:56:30,735 --> 00:56:33,955
When passion fades over
time, is there anything
we can do to rekindle it?
1147
00:56:33,999 --> 00:56:36,610
Some of the best research
comes from Art Aaron
and his colleagues
1148
00:56:36,654 --> 00:56:40,005
who have found that
doing a new activity together
1149
00:56:40,048 --> 00:56:44,052
that's active and fun
and novel to both partners--
1150
00:56:44,096 --> 00:56:47,621
-Like taking up skiing
or golf or what?
-Those are great examples,
1151
00:56:47,665 --> 00:56:50,015
dance would be another thing.
And some of these studies,
1152
00:56:50,058 --> 00:56:53,453
they just haven't bounced
around on those, uh,
little bouncy balls
1153
00:56:53,497 --> 00:56:56,238
that kids will bounce around on.
It's a totally ridiculous
1154
00:56:56,282 --> 00:57:00,242
activity, but these
couples that have been married
20, 30 years will report
1155
00:57:00,286 --> 00:57:02,593
these feelings of euphoria
and these feelings of passion
1156
00:57:02,636 --> 00:57:04,464
that sometimes
have faded over time.
1157
00:57:04,508 --> 00:57:07,206
But it's got to be something
that you both wish to pursue.
1158
00:57:07,249 --> 00:57:09,077
It's something that
seems to involve a bit of
1159
00:57:09,121 --> 00:57:11,515
physical activity and something
that's novel and new.
1160
00:57:11,558 --> 00:57:14,343
Breaking your routine
and doing something different.
1161
00:57:14,387 --> 00:57:16,171
After we get married,
1162
00:57:16,215 --> 00:57:18,609
we often stop doing
the very things that got us
1163
00:57:18,652 --> 00:57:21,089
to fall in love together.
And habituation,
1164
00:57:21,133 --> 00:57:24,441
then we experience, not only the
good side of habituation, which
1165
00:57:24,484 --> 00:57:26,704
is the security,
but the downside,
1166
00:57:26,747 --> 00:57:28,836
which is boredom and taking
each other for granted.
1167
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:32,753
Have fun. Don't forget the--
Think about the first time
1168
00:57:32,797 --> 00:57:34,973
you met, you didn't
come with a serious demeanor.
1169
00:57:35,016 --> 00:57:38,193
Pleasure is natural.
And if you look at
children running around,
1170
00:57:38,237 --> 00:57:41,196
they get pleasure
from everything.
That's our natural state.
1171
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:44,199
[Roger] What about monogamy,
is it difficult to be
monogamous?
1172
00:57:44,243 --> 00:57:46,811
You're in Noah's Ark
and you got one chick there,
do you think he'd be monogamous?
1173
00:57:46,854 --> 00:57:50,554
Anybody can be in a monogamous
relationship for three years.
1174
00:57:50,597 --> 00:57:53,731
Then the need for
diversification comes up,
1175
00:57:53,774 --> 00:57:55,297
and that's a chemical issue.
1176
00:57:55,341 --> 00:57:57,038
what percentage
of mammals are monogamous?
1177
00:57:57,082 --> 00:57:59,519
very few, fewer than 2%.
1178
00:57:59,563 --> 00:58:01,434
Most birds are
the other way round,
1179
00:58:01,478 --> 00:58:04,350
most birds are monogamous,
and very few
1180
00:58:04,393 --> 00:58:06,526
are polygamous, about 90, 95%
1181
00:58:06,570 --> 00:58:08,267
of birds are
socially monogamous.
1182
00:58:09,050 --> 00:58:12,010
But in the 1980s when genetic
fingerprinting came along,
1183
00:58:12,053 --> 00:58:14,186
we discovered that although
they were socially monogamous,
1184
00:58:14,229 --> 00:58:16,971
they weren't always faithful.
There was a lot of
1185
00:58:17,015 --> 00:58:19,974
infidelity going on.
That a pair of swallows
1186
00:58:20,018 --> 00:58:23,412
bringing up a brood of chicks
would be bringing up chicks that
1187
00:58:23,456 --> 00:58:26,590
had not been fathered by that
father, or some of them hadn't,
1188
00:58:26,633 --> 00:58:28,766
if he was a low status male
with short tail.
1189
00:58:28,809 --> 00:58:31,638
If he was a high-status male
with a long tail,
then the chances are
1190
00:58:31,682 --> 00:58:34,467
that they were his kids, and
indeed the kids in the nest next
1191
00:58:34,511 --> 00:58:37,688
door were his too, you can
immediately see parallels here,
1192
00:58:37,731 --> 00:58:41,953
that women when they are
unfaithful tend to choose
high-status males.
1193
00:58:41,996 --> 00:58:44,477
How much are people
cheating on each other sexually?
1194
00:58:44,521 --> 00:58:46,871
When I was doing my
research, we gave it
1195
00:58:46,914 --> 00:58:48,829
a figure of 10% of children
1196
00:58:48,873 --> 00:58:51,005
don't belong to
their father, on average.
1197
00:58:51,049 --> 00:58:53,007
Why is monogamy the rule?
1198
00:58:53,051 --> 00:58:57,534
The central organizing
principle of hunter-gatherer
societies
1199
00:58:57,577 --> 00:59:01,842
-is sharing and egalitarianism.
-Everybody shared everything.
1200
00:59:01,886 --> 00:59:06,325
Food, shelter, childcare,
protection from predators.
1201
00:59:06,368 --> 00:59:08,806
-And probably sex.
-And probably sexuality.
1202
00:59:08,849 --> 00:59:11,199
So, any one of the children
could belong to anyone,
1203
00:59:11,243 --> 00:59:13,027
a father could,
could, could treat any,
1204
00:59:13,071 --> 00:59:15,203
-anybody as their child.
-And do, in contemporary
1205
00:59:15,247 --> 00:59:17,641
-hunter-gatherer societies.
-If you were to withhold sex,
1206
00:59:17,684 --> 00:59:19,425
would that be seen
as antisocial behavior?
1207
00:59:19,468 --> 00:59:21,688
-Quite possibly.
-If monogamy is so difficult,
1208
00:59:21,732 --> 00:59:24,430
-why do people actually do it?
-Western civilization
1209
00:59:24,473 --> 00:59:28,086
went through this
extraordinary change where it
1210
00:59:28,129 --> 00:59:31,829
gradually and painfully,
and with lots of setbacks,
1211
00:59:31,872 --> 00:59:35,746
imposed normative
monogamy even on
1212
00:59:35,789 --> 00:59:37,661
aristocrats,
and why did we do it?
1213
00:59:37,704 --> 00:59:41,578
We probably did it to pacify
society, to re-divert people's
1214
00:59:41,621 --> 00:59:43,797
energy from the battle for women
1215
00:59:43,841 --> 00:59:45,625
to the battle for
economic growth.
1216
00:59:45,669 --> 00:59:50,021
Until very recently, monogamy
has only applied to women,
1217
00:59:50,064 --> 00:59:52,545
like, even, you know,
you look at Biblical times,
1218
00:59:52,589 --> 00:59:56,375
whatever, adultery is
defined as having sex with
1219
00:59:56,418 --> 00:59:58,638
another man's wife.
A married guy could have sex
1220
00:59:58,682 --> 01:00:02,511
with slaves, with concubines,
with prostitutes, as long as
1221
01:00:02,555 --> 01:00:06,603
he's not having sex
with another man's wife
or unmarried daughter.
1222
01:00:06,646 --> 01:00:08,082
-Property issue.
-Exactly.
1223
01:00:08,126 --> 01:00:10,737
In a vibrant tribal environment,
1224
01:00:10,781 --> 01:00:13,044
everybody needs to know that
they're all kind of in love
1225
01:00:13,087 --> 01:00:15,437
with each other, that that's
part of what keeps it strong,
1226
01:00:15,481 --> 01:00:16,917
that's part of what
keeps a tribe strong.
1227
01:00:16,961 --> 01:00:19,877
There's a, a term
that's called skin hunger,
1228
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,662
-the hunger for connection
-Infant mortality rates.
1229
01:00:22,706 --> 01:00:24,055
Some of them can be traced
1230
01:00:24,098 --> 01:00:26,057
to the fact that
they weren't held enough.
1231
01:00:26,100 --> 01:00:28,668
-Yeah.
-We need to be touched
and not just by one person.
1232
01:00:28,712 --> 01:00:31,889
It's no different than
demonstrating any other type of
1233
01:00:31,932 --> 01:00:33,760
discipline that's
necessary in life.
1234
01:00:33,804 --> 01:00:37,155
Are you saying
that monogamy is unnatural,
1235
01:00:37,198 --> 01:00:40,114
but it strengthens us
by giving us a test?
1236
01:00:40,158 --> 01:00:43,161
Being in a healthy,
monogamous relationship
1237
01:00:43,204 --> 01:00:46,164
makes it more likely for you
to succeed, than if you're
1238
01:00:46,207 --> 01:00:48,340
going to continue to try to
take on the world on your own.
1239
01:00:48,383 --> 01:00:50,734
If you fuck another
people, I kill you.
1240
01:00:50,777 --> 01:00:53,084
-[clapping]
-[laughs]
1241
01:00:53,650 --> 01:00:55,477
[Roger] What is
the definition of cheating?
1242
01:00:55,521 --> 01:00:58,829
Knowingly demonstrating
behavior that the other person
1243
01:00:58,872 --> 01:01:02,484
-would consider to be cheating.
-Any time you spend more time
1244
01:01:02,528 --> 01:01:08,186
and energy with another person
or thing: golf, tennis, work,
1245
01:01:08,229 --> 01:01:10,971
a person, than your partner.
1246
01:01:11,015 --> 01:01:13,887
-Keeping secrets
from your spouse.
-Broken agreement.
1247
01:01:14,496 --> 01:01:16,760
The only way you know you love
yourself or anybody else
1248
01:01:16,803 --> 01:01:19,414
in the contracts you're
willing to make and keep.
1249
01:01:19,458 --> 01:01:22,940
And the contracts do not
necessarily mean you're
monogamous.
1250
01:01:22,983 --> 01:01:28,032
Cheating is not-- There are--
I have women finding
women for their men.
1251
01:01:29,033 --> 01:01:31,775
I have no problem
with open relationships.
1252
01:01:31,818 --> 01:01:33,602
I think that you
cheat with your eyes.
1253
01:01:33,646 --> 01:01:35,822
I think once you desire
another woman or another man,
1254
01:01:35,866 --> 01:01:38,042
-you're already cheating,
-[Marni] You know,
you're fantasizing
1255
01:01:38,085 --> 01:01:41,262
about somebody else in your--
when you're having sex.
1256
01:01:41,306 --> 01:01:43,047
Is that cheating? Not really.
1257
01:01:43,090 --> 01:01:45,179
I know people do it,
but would your partner
1258
01:01:45,223 --> 01:01:46,964
be happy to know, "Oh,
what are you thinking about?"
1259
01:01:47,007 --> 01:01:49,706
And you're thinking about,
you know, your coworker.
1260
01:01:49,749 --> 01:01:53,753
As soon as a person
covets another man's wife,
1261
01:01:53,797 --> 01:01:58,758
he is stealing from that other
man. As soon as a woman
covets another man's husband,
1262
01:01:58,802 --> 01:02:01,195
she's stealing from another
woman. Like, I tell women,
1263
01:02:01,239 --> 01:02:03,328
you know, we dress modestly.
1264
01:02:03,371 --> 01:02:04,851
[Roger] Are you breaking
up relationships?
1265
01:02:04,895 --> 01:02:06,548
[Noel] No,
there's unfaithfulness
1266
01:02:07,114 --> 01:02:10,074
and there's discovered
unfaithfulness. When it's
discovered,
1267
01:02:10,117 --> 01:02:13,077
there's a lot of rigmarole that
comes with it. A lot of
marriages can
1268
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:15,993
suffer, breakdown.
Undiscovered infidelity,
1269
01:02:16,036 --> 01:02:18,778
there's no evidence
that it has anything other
than a positive impact.
1270
01:02:18,822 --> 01:02:21,694
The affair is their marriage
preservation device.
1271
01:02:21,738 --> 01:02:24,653
It's a modern construct,
cheating. Uh, it sounds bad.
1272
01:02:24,697 --> 01:02:26,743
It's like promiscuity.
It sounds, sounds like
1273
01:02:26,786 --> 01:02:30,050
something you shouldn't do,
but it's part of being human.
1274
01:02:30,094 --> 01:02:32,270
And even the buzzwords,
unfaithfulness.
1275
01:02:32,313 --> 01:02:34,794
Like, I haven't lost
faith in my marriage.
1276
01:02:34,838 --> 01:02:38,450
-I just, I just got drunk,
you know?
-Right.
1277
01:02:38,493 --> 01:02:41,279
-Why do people cheat?
-Because their needs
aren't being met.
1278
01:02:41,322 --> 01:02:46,153
The woman would rather be
a mistress to a powerful man,
1279
01:02:46,197 --> 01:02:48,590
than married to a beta.
1280
01:02:48,634 --> 01:02:51,593
-[Roger] Are you allowed to get
a massage with a happy ending?
-[laughs]
1281
01:02:51,637 --> 01:02:54,988
-Would that be cheating?
-I'm pretty sure I'm not,
uh, but I'm not--
1282
01:02:55,032 --> 01:02:57,382
Oh, I think if you asked I would
say, "Yes, you can do that."
1283
01:02:57,425 --> 01:02:59,906
-I think if you were
in Thailand and you said--
-Are you fucking kidding me?
1284
01:02:59,950 --> 01:03:03,127
-I was just in Thailand.
-[laughs] I know, I, I know.
1285
01:03:03,170 --> 01:03:05,651
But you didn't ask, you should
have asked, if you had asked--
1286
01:03:05,694 --> 01:03:08,001
Temptation would
be always there,
1287
01:03:08,045 --> 01:03:11,352
every flower going to
look prettier than the home.
1288
01:03:11,396 --> 01:03:14,268
But you have to remember,
this is only one
1289
01:03:14,312 --> 01:03:16,793
flower, the home, they,
they take care of you.
1290
01:03:16,836 --> 01:03:19,839
The other all look good,
but, but maybe very poison.
1291
01:03:19,883 --> 01:03:22,059
[Roger] Okay, what other
specific things can we do
1292
01:03:22,102 --> 01:03:24,235
to improve our relationships
and marriages?
1293
01:03:24,278 --> 01:03:28,239
Two things, be kind
and ask for what you want.
1294
01:03:28,282 --> 01:03:31,155
love in fairness, right?
Love, "You're special to me,
1295
01:03:31,198 --> 01:03:34,201
I care about you.
And I want to be fair with you."
1296
01:03:35,463 --> 01:03:37,117
Those are the most
important two things.
1297
01:03:37,161 --> 01:03:39,250
How important is honesty
in a relationship?
1298
01:03:39,293 --> 01:03:41,643
Honesty is the most
important thing
1299
01:03:41,687 --> 01:03:44,603
in any relationship, being
honest, open and forthcoming.
1300
01:03:44,646 --> 01:03:47,258
Way overblown, you know,
honesty is one of
1301
01:03:47,301 --> 01:03:49,521
those mythologies, again,
that we put out there.
1302
01:03:49,564 --> 01:03:51,871
If you didn't have
dishonesty in relationship,
it wouldn't get out of
1303
01:03:51,915 --> 01:03:54,874
the starting gate. You know,
you wouldn't have gotten
through the first date.
1304
01:03:54,918 --> 01:03:57,442
For a good marriage
it can't be all honest.
1305
01:03:57,485 --> 01:04:00,401
You don't say things that are
going to hurt someone's feelings
1306
01:04:00,445 --> 01:04:03,404
under the guise of,
"I'm being honest with you."
1307
01:04:03,448 --> 01:04:06,712
The idea of honesty implies
that there's only one truth.
1308
01:04:06,755 --> 01:04:08,583
And if you don't tell it,
you're being dishonest.
1309
01:04:08,627 --> 01:04:11,325
In any relationship, in any
life, there's always multiple
1310
01:04:11,369 --> 01:04:14,285
things going on, and we
select what we're going to tell
1311
01:04:14,328 --> 01:04:17,331
our partners and what we don't.
The question is:
1312
01:04:17,375 --> 01:04:19,856
on what basis do we
make that selection?
1313
01:04:19,899 --> 01:04:23,294
Honesty in a marriage has to be
buffered with sensitivity.
1314
01:04:23,337 --> 01:04:27,472
We want to tell our partners
things that maintain closeness,
1315
01:04:28,038 --> 01:04:30,779
that allow ourselves
to be known accurately.
1316
01:04:30,823 --> 01:04:34,914
I had a female friend a long
time ago who asked her husband
1317
01:04:34,958 --> 01:04:37,569
if she was the most attractive
woman he'd ever dated.
1318
01:04:37,612 --> 01:04:41,094
And he didn't say yes.
She did not like that answer.
1319
01:04:41,138 --> 01:04:42,574
And I thought,
"Why did you even go there?"
1320
01:04:42,617 --> 01:04:44,402
That's just the question
you shouldn't ask.
1321
01:04:44,445 --> 01:04:46,578
Let him volunteer that,
but don't ask that
1322
01:04:46,621 --> 01:04:49,233
-if you can't handle the answer.
-Wasn't the right answer
on his side,
1323
01:04:49,276 --> 01:04:51,104
"Of course you're
the most beautiful, honey,"
1324
01:04:51,148 --> 01:04:52,932
even though-- even if
it is an outright lie.
1325
01:04:52,976 --> 01:04:55,935
People look to their partner
for confirmation, right?
1326
01:04:55,979 --> 01:04:59,765
And sort of to help their ego,
and to make them feel
better about themselves.
1327
01:04:59,808 --> 01:05:03,638
So, if you're really honest, you
can cause long lasting damage.
1328
01:05:03,682 --> 01:05:06,206
Maybe there's
a good rule of thumb.
The last is always the best.
1329
01:05:06,250 --> 01:05:07,773
I think that's
a great rule of thumb.
1330
01:05:07,816 --> 01:05:10,297
No very serious discussions
1331
01:05:10,341 --> 01:05:12,473
-after 10 p.m. at night.
-Or...
1332
01:05:12,517 --> 01:05:14,823
-Or after a drink or two.
-...after you've
been drinking.
1333
01:05:14,867 --> 01:05:17,391
No fight should last
longer than 15 minutes.
1334
01:05:17,435 --> 01:05:19,872
-Yeah.
-Because if you're fighting
more than 15 minutes,
1335
01:05:19,916 --> 01:05:21,700
you're not fighting about
the issue anymore.
1336
01:05:21,743 --> 01:05:25,660
Is it okay to be dissatisfied or
have conflict in a relationship?
1337
01:05:25,704 --> 01:05:29,838
It's absolutely wonderful
[chuckles] to be dissatisfied.
1338
01:05:29,882 --> 01:05:32,406
That's how
the relationship grows.
1339
01:05:32,450 --> 01:05:36,106
It's a very American view
that conflict is an indication
1340
01:05:36,149 --> 01:05:39,065
that the relationship
is not good. And the function
1341
01:05:39,109 --> 01:05:41,850
of conflict is
mutual understanding.
1342
01:05:41,894 --> 01:05:44,462
So, over time, conflict helps us
1343
01:05:44,505 --> 01:05:46,290
to learn how to
love one another better.
1344
01:05:46,333 --> 01:05:48,770
If you're not fighting,
it means that at least one
1345
01:05:48,814 --> 01:05:51,338
person is keeping
things to themselves.
1346
01:05:51,382 --> 01:05:57,562
And then they get triggered
by an event of some,
some kind that
1347
01:05:57,605 --> 01:06:02,045
makes them recall all these
times that they were aggravated.
1348
01:06:02,088 --> 01:06:06,179
I teach people how to fight
fairly by an appointment.
1349
01:06:06,223 --> 01:06:09,574
If you have an idea, a want,
an opinion, a suggestion,
1350
01:06:09,617 --> 01:06:13,317
a thought, a need, you have to
make an appointment.
1351
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:15,536
"Honey. I have an idea about
where to go,
1352
01:06:15,580 --> 01:06:17,103
what to do, when to do it,
how to do it.
1353
01:06:17,147 --> 01:06:18,975
When would it
be convenient, today,
1354
01:06:19,018 --> 01:06:21,064
hopefully, for you to hear me?"
1355
01:06:21,586 --> 01:06:24,850
"Not today." Okay,
write it down, capture it
1356
01:06:24,893 --> 01:06:28,549
while it's a hot specimen.
And then the next day,
1357
01:06:28,593 --> 01:06:31,857
"Is it convenient for you
to hear my idea from yesterday?"
1358
01:06:32,684 --> 01:06:34,642
And if he doesn't
ever want to listen to you,
1359
01:06:34,686 --> 01:06:36,166
you're not in a relationship.
1360
01:06:36,209 --> 01:06:38,516
Men are allergic
to woman's emotionality.
1361
01:06:38,559 --> 01:06:40,735
So, instead of
getting upset with men,
1362
01:06:40,779 --> 01:06:42,607
just say,
"Thank you for sharing."
1363
01:06:42,650 --> 01:06:44,565
And that way, they'll get
used to telling you.
1364
01:06:44,609 --> 01:06:47,655
-Reward the good behavior.
-Try not to get reactive,
1365
01:06:47,699 --> 01:06:49,179
because then he'll never
tell you anything again.
1366
01:06:49,222 --> 01:06:53,357
Before you react
to your partner's expression,
1367
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:55,315
whatever they're upset about,
1368
01:06:55,359 --> 01:06:59,493
ask a question, and make it
a big broad question.
1369
01:06:59,537 --> 01:07:03,149
Something like, "Help me
understand this. What is it
1370
01:07:03,193 --> 01:07:06,022
that's the most upsetting
part about this for you?"
1371
01:07:06,065 --> 01:07:09,634
When the wife says, "I'm sick
of picking up after you,
1372
01:07:09,677 --> 01:07:12,419
I'm sick of being everybody's
maid around here."
1373
01:07:13,942 --> 01:07:17,468
What she's probably
feeling is overwhelmed.
1374
01:07:17,511 --> 01:07:19,774
And so, if he picks it up with,
1375
01:07:19,818 --> 01:07:21,907
"I have been doing so
much better with my socks.
1376
01:07:21,950 --> 01:07:24,388
This is the first time
in the last eight days
1377
01:07:24,431 --> 01:07:26,607
I have left those
socks on the floor.
1378
01:07:26,651 --> 01:07:29,306
And now, that's when
you're coming at me."
1379
01:07:29,349 --> 01:07:31,699
After that conversation
didn't go anywhere,
1380
01:07:31,743 --> 01:07:35,660
she could go back and say,
"I feel bad about
that fight we had.
1381
01:07:35,703 --> 01:07:39,272
what I am is overwhelmed
and needing your help."
1382
01:07:40,099 --> 01:07:42,841
There's a pretty good chance
he's going to sign up.
1383
01:07:42,884 --> 01:07:45,887
If he went up to her
and said, "I just
1384
01:07:45,931 --> 01:07:49,108
appreciate everything you
do for me in the family,
1385
01:07:49,152 --> 01:07:52,111
and I realize I've probably
been letting you down."
1386
01:07:52,155 --> 01:07:53,852
She would probably melt.
1387
01:07:53,895 --> 01:07:56,202
If someone's kind
of upset, or...
1388
01:07:57,725 --> 01:08:00,598
Speaking, I ask them what they
want, one of four things,
1389
01:08:00,641 --> 01:08:02,861
which is: do they want me
just to listen,
1390
01:08:03,601 --> 01:08:04,732
do they want advice,
1391
01:08:06,212 --> 01:08:08,954
do they want space, or do
they want just loving touch?
1392
01:08:08,997 --> 01:08:12,088
Men and women dealing with
stress very, very different.
1393
01:08:12,131 --> 01:08:14,786
What ends up happening is
that when one starts talking
1394
01:08:14,829 --> 01:08:16,788
about something that
she's upset about,
1395
01:08:16,831 --> 01:08:18,572
something that's
a problem for her.
1396
01:08:18,616 --> 01:08:20,357
And she wants
to release the emotion,
1397
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:22,010
she wants to get it out,
she wants to be heard,
1398
01:08:22,054 --> 01:08:23,360
she wants to be understood.
1399
01:08:23,403 --> 01:08:26,102
As soon as he hears the problem,
1400
01:08:26,145 --> 01:08:29,279
he jumps in and wants to
fix it, 'cause he wants to help.
1401
01:08:29,322 --> 01:08:31,498
Unfortunately, him fixing it
1402
01:08:31,542 --> 01:08:34,458
makes her feel that she's
not being heard, which creates
1403
01:08:34,501 --> 01:08:37,330
more emotion, because
the emotion gets amplified.
1404
01:08:37,374 --> 01:08:40,986
So when woman start to say,
"[sighs] I don't like
my work today.
1405
01:08:41,029 --> 01:08:43,554
My boss is, you know, terrible."
1406
01:08:44,032 --> 01:08:46,818
A lot of the men, at this
time, should be just,
1407
01:08:46,861 --> 01:08:48,863
"Oh, honey. I know
you work very hard.
1408
01:08:48,907 --> 01:08:52,389
It's okay, you know,
come, let me give you a hug."
1409
01:08:53,085 --> 01:08:56,741
That will solve everything.
To make women feel loved,
1410
01:08:56,784 --> 01:08:59,700
you need to let them
feel like you, you hear them.
1411
01:08:59,744 --> 01:09:02,007
But most of the time,
men will say,
1412
01:09:02,050 --> 01:09:05,271
"Man, that really sounds bad,
but why don't you just tell him,
1413
01:09:05,315 --> 01:09:07,317
why don't you just,
you know, quit?"
1414
01:09:08,144 --> 01:09:10,189
Did you hear the tone?
It sounds like
1415
01:09:10,233 --> 01:09:13,192
you accused me not
doing well enough for, for me.
1416
01:09:13,236 --> 01:09:16,674
I just venting to you,
and then you tell me I'm bad.
1417
01:09:16,717 --> 01:09:19,981
So, I get angry. So, we will
start an argument here.
1418
01:09:20,025 --> 01:09:25,030
Once I've been heard and I feel
I've been listened to and
that we're on the same page,
1419
01:09:25,073 --> 01:09:27,641
then I can have a logical
conversation about it.
1420
01:09:27,685 --> 01:09:29,904
Be mindful of your
toxic thoughts
1421
01:09:29,948 --> 01:09:33,734
that get in the way,
those extreme all or nothing
ways of thinking
1422
01:09:33,778 --> 01:09:36,215
-that are not so charitable.
-What are the toxic thoughts?
1423
01:09:36,259 --> 01:09:40,393
One example would be
the all or nothing trap.
And that's basically like,
1424
01:09:40,437 --> 01:09:44,049
"You never, ever care about
what I think about anything.
1425
01:09:44,092 --> 01:09:46,007
You always have to be right.
1426
01:09:46,051 --> 01:09:49,097
You never pick anything up.
You're always selfish."
1427
01:09:49,141 --> 01:09:52,405
If you would attack your
partner's character in a fight,
1428
01:09:53,232 --> 01:09:55,452
calling them names,
saying, "You're so lazy.
1429
01:09:55,495 --> 01:09:57,367
You're so selfish."
1430
01:09:57,410 --> 01:10:00,500
That goes to who that person is,
and that leads to very
1431
01:10:00,544 --> 01:10:03,590
bad feelings. So it can linger
and maybe never go away.
1432
01:10:03,634 --> 01:10:06,637
So, it's better for me to say,
"I don't like the clutter versus
1433
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:09,640
-you're a slob."
-Absolutely, the more
that I can make it
1434
01:10:09,683 --> 01:10:12,338
my problem, not
in a manipulative way.
1435
01:10:12,382 --> 01:10:17,387
"I" is much better than,
"You," in terms of dealing
with conflict.
1436
01:10:17,430 --> 01:10:21,347
I'm describing me.
I'm not describing you.
1437
01:10:21,391 --> 01:10:24,655
So what I'm doing is
I'm opening myself.
1438
01:10:24,698 --> 01:10:27,310
I'm making
myself more vulnerable
1439
01:10:27,353 --> 01:10:30,574
so that you can understand
what's going on with me
1440
01:10:30,617 --> 01:10:35,622
without feeling
blamed or even disliked.
1441
01:10:35,666 --> 01:10:39,104
David's great at talking,
David is not good at listening.
1442
01:10:39,147 --> 01:10:41,541
I, I listen to you.
You can't tell me I don't.
1443
01:10:41,585 --> 01:10:42,760
You snore.
1444
01:10:43,413 --> 01:10:44,631
And I have to keep--
1445
01:10:45,458 --> 01:10:47,895
-"Babe, honey, honey, you up?"
-One thing...
1446
01:10:47,939 --> 01:10:49,897
-[laughs]
-...the one thing
1447
01:10:49,941 --> 01:10:52,944
is, is that it depends
on when you're talking to me.
1448
01:10:52,987 --> 01:10:56,295
The one thing to
really build as a skill
1449
01:10:56,339 --> 01:10:59,777
is that ability to
listen non-defensively
1450
01:10:59,820 --> 01:11:01,692
when your partner's
upset with you.
1451
01:11:01,735 --> 01:11:05,348
Really communicate
to your partner,
"When you're upset, baby,
1452
01:11:05,391 --> 01:11:07,915
the world stops and I listen."
1453
01:11:07,959 --> 01:11:09,743
If you want to connect
better with your spouse
1454
01:11:09,787 --> 01:11:11,441
sexually and in other ways,
1455
01:11:12,311 --> 01:11:15,488
try 15 minutes a day...
1456
01:11:16,489 --> 01:11:19,971
of friendship conversation,
just the two of you.
1457
01:11:20,014 --> 01:11:23,017
The kind of conversation
that you have when you
1458
01:11:23,061 --> 01:11:26,194
call your friend, or you go out
for breakfast with your friend.
1459
01:11:26,238 --> 01:11:28,675
Those are the conversations
that couples stop having.
1460
01:11:28,719 --> 01:11:31,896
No logistical talk, no problem
solving and no conflict.
1461
01:11:31,939 --> 01:11:34,986
Ask your partner
about their dreams,
1462
01:11:35,029 --> 01:11:38,381
the dreams for how they
want to live their life,
1463
01:11:38,424 --> 01:11:42,863
their dreams for what gives
their life purpose and meaning.
1464
01:11:42,907 --> 01:11:45,301
why is it so important to women
that you spend listening time?
1465
01:11:45,344 --> 01:11:50,610
Listening time is time that you
have to invest for sex later,
1466
01:11:50,654 --> 01:11:52,569
I think.
There's a way to listen.
1467
01:11:53,352 --> 01:11:56,442
And guys don't listen very well,
'cause guys want to advise,
1468
01:11:56,486 --> 01:11:58,444
and women don't
want your advice.
1469
01:11:58,488 --> 01:12:01,360
Which is kind of
like consulting somebody
1470
01:12:01,404 --> 01:12:02,970
and then not
wanting their opinion.
1471
01:12:03,014 --> 01:12:06,844
They want somebody
to just shut up and listen.
1472
01:12:06,887 --> 01:12:10,500
The other thing that you can do
that's really helpful is express
1473
01:12:10,543 --> 01:12:14,112
empathy, not everybody
knows exactly what that is.
1474
01:12:14,155 --> 01:12:18,899
Empathy is guessing at
what somebody's feeling
1475
01:12:18,943 --> 01:12:21,728
and then saying,
"No wonder you're feeling that."
1476
01:12:21,772 --> 01:12:26,429
I've learned three things in
marriage that have helped me
tremendously,
1477
01:12:26,472 --> 01:12:30,258
especially when I want to watch
games or when I want to do
something is,
1478
01:12:30,302 --> 01:12:34,393
"What? [sighs] For real?"
1479
01:12:34,437 --> 01:12:37,962
You just keep running those,
because women need things to
keep them talking
1480
01:12:38,005 --> 01:12:41,269
and to keep them doing them.
When you go against those,
you create tension,
1481
01:12:41,313 --> 01:12:43,837
but when she comes home,
if you can just say,
1482
01:12:43,881 --> 01:12:47,450
"What? No. For real?"
1483
01:12:47,493 --> 01:12:49,713
That just throws
another log on the fire.
1484
01:12:49,756 --> 01:12:52,150
She keeps talking, she keeps
doing what she's doing,
1485
01:12:52,193 --> 01:12:54,587
-and you get peace of mind.
-How many minutes per night
1486
01:12:54,631 --> 01:12:57,982
do you have to spend listening
to her to make sure she's happy?
1487
01:12:58,025 --> 01:13:01,202
Well, she sets the time
on that, you don't have
any say-so in that.
1488
01:13:01,246 --> 01:13:03,944
And it's whenever she wants it,
you give it to her.
1489
01:13:03,988 --> 01:13:05,990
And, uh, there are
things you can do
1490
01:13:06,033 --> 01:13:07,687
to probably lessen that time.
1491
01:13:07,731 --> 01:13:10,168
Like, sometimes I'll try
to finish a story off for her.
1492
01:13:10,211 --> 01:13:14,607
Like, she'll start out, "You
know, uh, Jane got fired today."
1493
01:13:14,651 --> 01:13:17,480
"What happened? She slept
with Joe, didn't she? Yep,
I knew that was coming.
1494
01:13:17,523 --> 01:13:19,525
But, hey, let's check this out."
You have to, you know, kind of
1495
01:13:19,569 --> 01:13:22,049
massage to get the time,
to get out of the time.
1496
01:13:22,093 --> 01:13:24,312
First of all, when you talk
to a couple, I ask the guy,
1497
01:13:24,356 --> 01:13:26,402
"What hurts your wife?"
Not what hurts you.
1498
01:13:28,099 --> 01:13:30,144
See if he knows,
and then I ask the wife,
1499
01:13:30,188 --> 01:13:33,757
"Did he represent you
accurately?" And she says
either yes or no.
1500
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:35,976
So, we see right there, if he
understands what his wife is
1501
01:13:36,020 --> 01:13:39,415
hurting. The same thing with
the wife, "What hurts
your husband?"
1502
01:13:39,458 --> 01:13:41,895
And if she can relate that,
if she can't relate that,
1503
01:13:41,939 --> 01:13:45,421
"You guys, no communication."
So, what? There's no chance.
1504
01:13:45,464 --> 01:13:48,511
Number one, never ask him
what he feels psychologically.
1505
01:13:48,554 --> 01:13:50,861
"Are you happy? Are you sad?"
That's mothering.
1506
01:13:51,775 --> 01:13:55,343
Only ask him what he feels
if he's puking or bleeding.
1507
01:13:55,387 --> 01:14:00,392
-What should men be doing?
-Never ask her what she thinks,
1508
01:14:00,436 --> 01:14:05,353
unless you're doing business
with her and you both get paid.
1509
01:14:05,397 --> 01:14:07,704
Tell her what you think,
what you want, your opinion,
1510
01:14:07,747 --> 01:14:10,054
your suggestions,
your ideas, and then ask her
1511
01:14:10,097 --> 01:14:12,752
-how she feels.
-How can I choose
a better partner?
1512
01:14:12,796 --> 01:14:16,495
What is it that you want
in a partner? List the traits
and characteristics
1513
01:14:16,539 --> 01:14:18,018
that you desire.
1514
01:14:19,803 --> 01:14:21,369
We do this in class
sometimes with my students,
and they'll list
1515
01:14:21,413 --> 01:14:23,154
dozens of things that
they want in a partner.
1516
01:14:23,197 --> 01:14:26,418
The hard part comes when
I say, "Now, be really focused
1517
01:14:26,462 --> 01:14:29,813
on the top three.
What are the three things,
three traits or characteristics
1518
01:14:29,856 --> 01:14:32,642
that you really want
in a partner that you
can't live without?"
1519
01:14:32,685 --> 01:14:34,774
And a lot of times, then,
when you ask students,
1520
01:14:34,818 --> 01:14:37,516
then, to think about,
"Well, what were
your previous partners like,
1521
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:39,997
and did they possess
those characteristics?"
1522
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:41,694
They'll say
they had none of them.
1523
01:14:41,738 --> 01:14:44,044
Should I stop looking for
a nice figure in a woman
1524
01:14:44,088 --> 01:14:45,829
and focus on
emotional stability?
1525
01:14:45,872 --> 01:14:48,222
If you are a perfectly
rational being, Roger,
1526
01:14:48,266 --> 01:14:51,878
I think that would be be a good
idea, but I always say, uh,
1527
01:14:51,922 --> 01:14:54,141
"Kissing your partner shouldn't
feel like eating your veggies."
1528
01:14:54,185 --> 01:14:58,102
In the Kama Sutra, they say
that the three principle aims
1529
01:14:58,145 --> 01:15:00,539
in a man's life should be:
1530
01:15:01,366 --> 01:15:04,325
wealth, virtue, and love.
1531
01:15:04,369 --> 01:15:08,329
And that you can't achieve
the any heights of one of them
1532
01:15:08,373 --> 01:15:11,463
without simultaneously
pursuing the other two.
1533
01:15:11,942 --> 01:15:16,381
So, you can't actually be
completely and totally in love,
1534
01:15:16,424 --> 01:15:18,252
if unless you were trying to be
1535
01:15:18,296 --> 01:15:20,646
a, a wealthy and virtuous man.
1536
01:15:20,690 --> 01:15:25,172
That most undervalued tool
that enhance emotional health,
1537
01:15:25,216 --> 01:15:29,133
after 23 years of being
a psychologist, is gratitude.
1538
01:15:29,176 --> 01:15:32,179
Being grateful for the person
who you wake up next to.
1539
01:15:32,223 --> 01:15:35,835
I think forgiveness is essential
in, in a marriage, because where
the fuck you going to go?
1540
01:15:35,879 --> 01:15:37,924
You're still going to
wake up next to that
person the next day.
1541
01:15:37,968 --> 01:15:41,798
I think, now, our fights
are a lot less intense
than they used to.
1542
01:15:41,841 --> 01:15:43,887
We deal with broken glass,
all kinds of crazy shit.
1543
01:15:43,930 --> 01:15:46,803
-I'm Brazilian.
-Yeah, she's Brazilian.
In the beginning.
1544
01:15:46,846 --> 01:15:49,109
'Cause it's just,
fucking everything was
a goddamn fucking, you know,
1545
01:15:49,153 --> 01:15:51,503
level five hurricane. We've had
a million fake breakups,
1546
01:15:51,547 --> 01:15:53,244
We've fucking--
She goes to moms,
1547
01:15:53,287 --> 01:15:56,247
or, or we immediately
walk out, slam the door.
1548
01:15:56,290 --> 01:15:59,119
"Fuck you,
I'm signing the papers."
And it never goes anywhere.
1549
01:15:59,163 --> 01:16:01,557
We're still back
in the same goddamn place,
and we're in love.
1550
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:03,689
-We have a plaque in the kitchen
which I can show you.
-With the rules.
1551
01:16:03,733 --> 01:16:05,604
Quotes the house rules,
Mama's rules.
1552
01:16:05,648 --> 01:16:09,216
-This is my rules.
-[Don] One: be kind,
forgive quickly,
1553
01:16:09,260 --> 01:16:12,002
tell the truth, love
each other, and have fun.
1554
01:16:12,045 --> 01:16:15,135
We used to do things to have
fun. This is not a boring
marriage, it's not suicide,
1555
01:16:15,179 --> 01:16:17,442
marriage is not a death
certificate, marriages is, is,
1556
01:16:17,485 --> 01:16:19,879
is a new chapter to life,
marriage is living.
1557
01:16:19,923 --> 01:16:23,143
[Roger] What advice do you
have for somebody
considering marriage?
1558
01:16:23,187 --> 01:16:25,232
You will absolutely
know it in your bones
1559
01:16:25,276 --> 01:16:27,234
if you've found someone
that will work for you.
1560
01:16:27,278 --> 01:16:29,628
And if you spend
a lot of time convincing
yourself about it,
1561
01:16:29,672 --> 01:16:31,108
-it's not the right person.
-It's not a good idea.
1562
01:16:31,151 --> 01:16:33,153
Before anyone gets married,
1563
01:16:33,197 --> 01:16:35,025
I think they should do
premarital counseling.
1564
01:16:35,068 --> 01:16:38,376
-[Roger] Did you do that?
-No, uh, we did, but we lied.
1565
01:16:39,333 --> 01:16:41,988
-[laughs]
-'Cause a lot of times,
people don't ask the questions
1566
01:16:42,032 --> 01:16:43,990
about how you're
going to handle finances
1567
01:16:44,034 --> 01:16:45,818
and children and infidelity.
1568
01:16:45,862 --> 01:16:47,341
What if nobody gets
married anymore,
1569
01:16:47,385 --> 01:16:49,082
if they go to counseling
first? [chuckles]
1570
01:16:49,126 --> 01:16:52,433
cleanliness of a house,
aspirations and goals.
1571
01:16:52,477 --> 01:16:55,219
We didn't have any goals.
I started having tons of goals.
1572
01:16:55,262 --> 01:16:58,439
My husband had zero goals.
And that was the--
1573
01:16:58,483 --> 01:17:01,529
-hard for me.
-Yeah, but I've grown up
since then. I'm a big boy now.
1574
01:17:01,573 --> 01:17:04,750
I think the person should
have to list three references,
1575
01:17:04,794 --> 01:17:07,840
and you should be able to call
those references and find out
1576
01:17:07,884 --> 01:17:10,321
what was the reason the
relationship didn't work out.
1577
01:17:10,364 --> 01:17:12,366
"Hey, I checked
your references out,
1578
01:17:12,410 --> 01:17:15,761
all those relationships ended
great. Let's move forward."
1579
01:17:15,805 --> 01:17:19,460
But if it comes back,
"These people want to kill you."
1580
01:17:19,983 --> 01:17:22,768
That's a [laughs] recipe for no.
1581
01:17:22,812 --> 01:17:26,163
The number one warning sign
is having a problem with anger.
1582
01:17:26,206 --> 01:17:28,469
Both women and men have to
really protect ourselves
1583
01:17:28,513 --> 01:17:30,167
from people who are
emotionally abusive.
1584
01:17:30,210 --> 01:17:31,908
A lot of the men I work with,
you know, they say,
1585
01:17:31,951 --> 01:17:34,084
"I just want to have
someone who's low drama,
1586
01:17:34,127 --> 01:17:35,781
someone who's
not that high maintenance,
1587
01:17:35,825 --> 01:17:37,348
and someone who makes
my life easier and better."
1588
01:17:37,391 --> 01:17:39,219
Religious couples actually
tend to be a bit
1589
01:17:39,263 --> 01:17:41,134
more stable over time.
1590
01:17:41,178 --> 01:17:43,963
And researchers think part
of the reason is because
1591
01:17:44,007 --> 01:17:46,052
there's an agreed
upon set of rules
1592
01:17:46,096 --> 01:17:48,838
and agreed-upon expectations
in the relationship.
1593
01:17:48,881 --> 01:17:52,145
So, it's not
necessarily anything
inherent in the religion,
1594
01:17:52,189 --> 01:17:55,148
but just the fact
that the social rules
are very well laid out.
1595
01:17:55,192 --> 01:17:58,499
So, the key to success in
a relationship is going in
knowing all the rules?
1596
01:17:58,543 --> 01:18:00,893
Yeah. I wish you could know
them all. You can never quite
1597
01:18:00,937 --> 01:18:02,939
know all of them, of course,
but if you know some of
1598
01:18:02,982 --> 01:18:05,202
the fundamental ones, that's,
that's certainly helpful.
1599
01:18:05,245 --> 01:18:08,379
Marcus Aurelius, one of
the greatest emperors
of the Roman era said,
1600
01:18:08,422 --> 01:18:10,686
"Our lives are dyed
the color of our imaginations."
1601
01:18:10,729 --> 01:18:13,036
I hated the idea of marriage,
I hated the concept of marriage,
1602
01:18:13,079 --> 01:18:16,039
I hated the idea
of monogamy. And, uh,
1603
01:18:16,082 --> 01:18:18,171
I think the lesson, then,
is usually the things
1604
01:18:18,215 --> 01:18:20,652
you fear the most are probably
the things you most need.
1605
01:18:21,261 --> 01:18:24,700
[Roger] Here's the big question:
Why should I get married?
1606
01:18:24,743 --> 01:18:29,095
You know, there are many reasons
to be married that have nothing
to do with reproduction.
1607
01:18:29,139 --> 01:18:32,142
Uh, you can ask any gay couple
about that, right?
1608
01:18:32,185 --> 01:18:36,755
Taxes, uh, visas, living in
foreign countries,
1609
01:18:36,799 --> 01:18:39,366
the hospital visitation rights,
inheritance.
1610
01:18:39,410 --> 01:18:43,980
To be in their partner's
obituary, to be able
to talk to the doctor,
1611
01:18:44,023 --> 01:18:46,330
and to have the kids
not be embarrassed.
1612
01:18:46,373 --> 01:18:50,421
When you bring children,
and you educate them to be
upright fine human beings,
1613
01:18:50,464 --> 01:18:52,640
to build society,
to contribute to society.
1614
01:18:52,684 --> 01:18:55,121
You never die because
your legacy lives on.
1615
01:18:55,165 --> 01:18:58,734
If you think back on
your life and the greatest
moments of your life,
1616
01:18:58,777 --> 01:19:01,562
the times when you had the most
fun, the most memorable,
1617
01:19:01,606 --> 01:19:03,434
they always
involve other people.
1618
01:19:03,477 --> 01:19:06,742
It's not usually just you.
[chuckles] You and your cat,
1619
01:19:06,785 --> 01:19:08,439
you and the Grand Canyon.
[chuckles]
1620
01:19:08,482 --> 01:19:11,137
It's usually you, friends,
family, a partner.
1621
01:19:11,181 --> 01:19:15,489
You want someone that
you can share things with.
1622
01:19:15,533 --> 01:19:18,928
it's so worth it when you get
that balance right.
1623
01:19:18,971 --> 01:19:21,669
Where you're actually sharing
your life with somebody who--
1624
01:19:21,713 --> 01:19:24,803
You're both putting
the effort in, and you're
enhancing each other's lives,
1625
01:19:24,847 --> 01:19:27,501
and amplifying the experience.
You have this person who
1626
01:19:27,545 --> 01:19:30,591
you get to share
all of the minutiae that,
1627
01:19:30,635 --> 01:19:32,724
actually, on your own
maybe wouldn't have been as fun.
1628
01:19:32,768 --> 01:19:35,379
But getting to share it with
somebody is very fulfilling.
1629
01:19:35,422 --> 01:19:36,989
[Roger] In case you
just missed it,
1630
01:19:37,033 --> 01:19:39,339
that was the answer
we've been looking for.
1631
01:19:39,383 --> 01:19:44,127
Marriage is a legal contract,
primarily having to do with
sharing money
1632
01:19:44,170 --> 01:19:45,824
or property or your estate.
1633
01:19:45,868 --> 01:19:48,348
There is no legal
requirement that you have to
1634
01:19:48,392 --> 01:19:52,831
stay with somebody forever
or be loving or be monogamous
1635
01:19:52,875 --> 01:19:56,008
or a good listener.
The basic underlying reason
1636
01:19:56,052 --> 01:19:59,795
people get married is to
agree to share their resources,
1637
01:19:59,838 --> 01:20:02,014
mainly for the purpose
of raising children,
1638
01:20:02,058 --> 01:20:04,321
but regardless of
whether you get married or not,
1639
01:20:04,364 --> 01:20:08,412
it's this simple,
life is better shared.
1640
01:20:08,455 --> 01:20:11,981
The sunset is more
beautiful when you
experience it with somebody.
1641
01:20:12,677 --> 01:20:15,332
Even if a relationship doesn't
last as long as you like,
1642
01:20:15,375 --> 01:20:19,771
or it's difficult and painful,
you still experienced
life together.
1643
01:20:19,815 --> 01:20:22,469
Success in a relationship
means you learned
1644
01:20:22,513 --> 01:20:24,863
what that coming together
was there to teach you.
1645
01:20:24,907 --> 01:20:27,561
So, open up and share
your life with somebody.
1646
01:20:27,605 --> 01:20:29,607
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