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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:46,053 --> 00:00:47,781 Ms. Kerrigan? 2 00:00:48,744 --> 00:00:50,733 Ms. Kerrigan, can you hear me? 3 00:00:51,252 --> 00:00:53,897 Ms. Kerrigan, we need you to wake up and focus. 4 00:00:54,663 --> 00:00:57,342 You're gonna have some visitors soon. 5 00:00:57,556 --> 00:01:00,061 We need to talk before that happens. 6 00:01:03,079 --> 00:01:04,801 You tried to kill yourself. 7 00:01:05,077 --> 00:01:06,168 And before that, 8 00:01:06,252 --> 00:01:09,193 you killed a man named Roger Navarre 9 00:01:09,487 --> 00:01:11,319 in front of a lot of people. 10 00:01:11,559 --> 00:01:13,060 Do you remember that? 11 00:01:14,117 --> 00:01:16,519 You're in New York Sacred Heart Hospital. 12 00:01:16,603 --> 00:01:19,600 You've also been charged with first-degree murder. 13 00:01:19,868 --> 00:01:22,411 Guards are posted outside the door, 14 00:01:22,495 --> 00:01:24,325 and, well, they're gonna keep you here 15 00:01:24,409 --> 00:01:27,054 until they're reasonably certain that you won't harm yourself, 16 00:01:27,138 --> 00:01:29,077 and then transfer you to a prison. 17 00:01:29,424 --> 00:01:30,707 And who are the two of you? 18 00:01:30,791 --> 00:01:32,973 My name's Dr. Jason Bull, I'm a psychologist. 19 00:01:33,057 --> 00:01:36,022 This is Benjamin Colón, and he is an attorney. 20 00:01:36,471 --> 00:01:38,722 The Women's Coalition of Manhattan asked us 21 00:01:38,806 --> 00:01:40,425 to come and meet you, see if you were interested 22 00:01:40,509 --> 00:01:42,290 in having us represent you. 23 00:01:42,374 --> 00:01:44,749 They have a fund for this kind of thing. 24 00:01:45,417 --> 00:01:47,223 Is that okay with you? 25 00:01:49,745 --> 00:01:51,992 The D.A. and a judge are on their way over. 26 00:01:52,076 --> 00:01:53,384 They're gonna hold an arraignment 27 00:01:53,468 --> 00:01:55,169 here in your hospital room. 28 00:01:55,253 --> 00:01:57,902 I don't know what that is. I don't know what that means. 29 00:01:57,986 --> 00:02:00,975 Well, an arraignment is a kind of court proceeding. 30 00:02:01,172 --> 00:02:03,438 It's where you'll formally be advised 31 00:02:03,522 --> 00:02:04,722 of the charges against you, 32 00:02:04,806 --> 00:02:07,422 which, we mentioned, are first-degree murder. 33 00:02:07,506 --> 00:02:09,879 They'll also ask you to enter a plea. 34 00:02:09,963 --> 00:02:12,381 Well, that's easy. I'm guilty. 35 00:02:12,581 --> 00:02:13,970 We didn't ask if you were guilty, 36 00:02:14,054 --> 00:02:16,777 we asked what your plea would be. 37 00:02:16,861 --> 00:02:20,260 The only answer to that question is: "Not guilty." 38 00:02:20,344 --> 00:02:23,225 Otherwise there is no point in going through this exercise. 39 00:02:23,309 --> 00:02:25,121 Well, that's fine with me. 40 00:02:25,205 --> 00:02:27,449 Let's not go through the exercise. 41 00:02:27,546 --> 00:02:30,380 I did it. Okay? I'm absolutely guilty. 42 00:02:30,464 --> 00:02:33,816 Hang me, give me the electric chair, give me the needle. 43 00:02:33,900 --> 00:02:35,600 Whatever it is that they do, I don't care. 44 00:02:35,684 --> 00:02:39,231 I just want them to do it to me. Quickly as possible, please. 45 00:02:43,043 --> 00:02:44,570 Did you know the man? 46 00:02:44,654 --> 00:02:45,723 Of course. 47 00:02:45,807 --> 00:02:46,880 Forgive me, 48 00:02:46,964 --> 00:02:49,252 but why did you choose to do it at a funeral? 49 00:02:49,916 --> 00:02:51,312 Did you know the girl? 50 00:02:51,396 --> 00:02:54,854 No, but he did. 51 00:02:54,983 --> 00:02:57,937 Roger Navarre? The hedge fund king? 52 00:02:58,021 --> 00:03:00,284 The philanthropist? The man you killed? 53 00:03:01,866 --> 00:03:04,499 You are aware of how the girl died, aren't you? 54 00:03:04,583 --> 00:03:06,242 That she killed herself? 55 00:03:06,326 --> 00:03:10,047 I'm very aware. And jealous. 56 00:03:11,491 --> 00:03:14,189 Okay. Let's start at the beginning. 57 00:03:14,364 --> 00:03:17,522 How did you and Roger Navarre even meet? 58 00:03:18,794 --> 00:03:22,018 When I was 14, my dance school in Ohio had auditions, 59 00:03:22,102 --> 00:03:25,439 and I won a spot at the Manhattan Ballet Academy. 60 00:03:25,681 --> 00:03:27,397 But unfortunately, my family 61 00:03:27,481 --> 00:03:29,775 didn't have the money to send me. 62 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:31,759 I was about to give up hope of ever going 63 00:03:31,843 --> 00:03:34,268 when Roger Navarre called. 64 00:03:34,352 --> 00:03:37,184 He said he had seen my tape, he'd seen me dance, 65 00:03:37,268 --> 00:03:39,925 and he wanted to bring me to New York. 66 00:03:40,009 --> 00:03:43,781 To pay my tuition and find a place for me to live. 67 00:03:44,775 --> 00:03:47,153 The first year and a half was magical. 68 00:03:47,237 --> 00:03:49,655 I loved New York, I loved the school. 69 00:03:49,901 --> 00:03:51,298 The night before I went back home 70 00:03:51,382 --> 00:03:53,417 for Christmas break, Roger called. 71 00:03:53,501 --> 00:03:55,451 He said he wanted to take me to dinner 72 00:03:55,535 --> 00:03:57,834 and celebrate my success at the institute. 73 00:03:58,129 --> 00:03:59,989 It was an amazing restaurant. 74 00:04:00,073 --> 00:04:02,906 Amazing food, an amazing night. 75 00:04:02,990 --> 00:04:04,363 Oh, boy. 76 00:04:04,450 --> 00:04:06,239 I messed up. I have a holiday party 77 00:04:06,323 --> 00:04:07,981 I'm supposed to have been at a half hour ago. 78 00:04:08,065 --> 00:04:10,419 Wait. You don't mean you have to leave, do you? 79 00:04:10,503 --> 00:04:11,987 Yeah, I kind of do. 80 00:04:12,071 --> 00:04:13,590 It's a Broadway thing. 81 00:04:13,674 --> 00:04:16,952 I invest in a lot of shows. It's important that I say hi. 82 00:04:18,610 --> 00:04:20,560 I'd invite you to come along, but... 83 00:04:20,644 --> 00:04:22,895 Are they proofing people at the door? 84 00:04:23,112 --> 00:04:25,772 You know, I'm not as young as I look. 85 00:04:28,128 --> 00:04:31,391 The closer we got to the party, the more nervous I became. 86 00:04:31,475 --> 00:04:33,240 I started to have this feeling 87 00:04:33,324 --> 00:04:35,568 that maybe I had made the wrong choice. 88 00:04:35,683 --> 00:04:36,981 Maybe he was right, 89 00:04:37,065 --> 00:04:39,848 maybe this wasn't the type of party I should go to. 90 00:04:39,932 --> 00:04:42,173 You all right? You don't have to go. 91 00:04:42,486 --> 00:04:43,879 Oh, I... 92 00:04:43,963 --> 00:04:46,288 No, I-I guess I'm just a little anxious. 93 00:04:55,864 --> 00:04:57,659 What are you doing? 94 00:04:57,743 --> 00:04:59,119 Why are you taking that? 95 00:04:59,203 --> 00:05:00,707 You're not nervous, are you? 96 00:05:00,865 --> 00:05:02,327 Actually, I am. 97 00:05:02,411 --> 00:05:03,855 I'm with you. 98 00:05:03,939 --> 00:05:05,660 What are you talking about? 99 00:05:06,093 --> 00:05:07,899 You ever looked in the mirror? 100 00:05:19,335 --> 00:05:21,405 It was the best night of my life. 101 00:05:21,696 --> 00:05:24,291 The next day, I went back to Ohio for Christmas break, 102 00:05:24,375 --> 00:05:26,837 but all I could think about was New York. 103 00:05:26,921 --> 00:05:29,165 All I could think about was Roger. 104 00:05:29,249 --> 00:05:30,887 I was in love. 105 00:05:31,027 --> 00:05:33,747 But the man was twice your age, wasn't he? 106 00:05:34,682 --> 00:05:36,934 Yeah. I guess. 107 00:05:37,061 --> 00:05:38,762 Or I was half of his. 108 00:05:39,564 --> 00:05:40,790 I don't know. 109 00:05:40,874 --> 00:05:42,682 That's not what it was about. 110 00:05:42,766 --> 00:05:45,442 So, you went home for Christmas. 111 00:05:45,526 --> 00:05:47,916 We talked every day on the phone. 112 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,142 And the second I got back to New York, 113 00:05:50,226 --> 00:05:52,566 I went straight to his apartment instead of mine. 114 00:05:53,067 --> 00:05:55,356 I stayed there for two days. 115 00:05:55,493 --> 00:05:58,367 Would it be fair to say, at that point, you were a couple? 116 00:05:58,451 --> 00:06:00,527 I certainly thought so. 117 00:06:01,125 --> 00:06:03,108 He would take me to the ballet. 118 00:06:03,727 --> 00:06:06,212 He taught me about wine, bought me beautiful gifts. 119 00:06:06,296 --> 00:06:08,748 He even got me a passport and flew me to Paris. 120 00:06:08,832 --> 00:06:12,727 And that pill you took. Were there more of those? 121 00:06:13,177 --> 00:06:14,832 All the time. 122 00:06:15,682 --> 00:06:17,518 I know it seems like I should have known better, 123 00:06:17,602 --> 00:06:20,119 but he was just so charming, 124 00:06:20,203 --> 00:06:23,973 and... I was living the life I always dreamed of living. 125 00:06:35,576 --> 00:06:37,121 What's that? 126 00:06:39,476 --> 00:06:41,630 Don't worry about that. 127 00:06:45,446 --> 00:06:47,199 He knew just what to do. 128 00:06:47,762 --> 00:06:49,426 Had it all figured out. 129 00:06:51,774 --> 00:06:53,738 He walked me to my appointment. 130 00:06:54,078 --> 00:06:55,909 Everyone said it would be over pretty quickly 131 00:06:55,993 --> 00:06:57,404 and then it wasn't. 132 00:06:57,719 --> 00:06:59,650 They told me I would have to rest 133 00:06:59,734 --> 00:07:03,926 in bed for three to four weeks, which meant I couldn't dance. 134 00:07:04,825 --> 00:07:07,051 It was the end of the school year, 135 00:07:07,565 --> 00:07:09,996 when they have all the performances, and... 136 00:07:10,204 --> 00:07:11,528 I couldn't dance. 137 00:07:11,612 --> 00:07:13,939 So, of course the school calls 138 00:07:14,023 --> 00:07:16,895 and tells me I'm not invited back next year. 139 00:07:17,938 --> 00:07:19,613 It was heartbreaking. 140 00:07:20,220 --> 00:07:23,220 Everything I... had worked for, dreamed for, 141 00:07:23,304 --> 00:07:24,932 all of it was being taken away. 142 00:07:25,016 --> 00:07:26,520 So what'd you do? 143 00:07:26,633 --> 00:07:28,353 I went to Roger for help. 144 00:07:28,437 --> 00:07:29,908 But he said his hands were tied. 145 00:07:29,992 --> 00:07:32,527 The school wasn't his, there wasn't anything he could do. 146 00:07:32,909 --> 00:07:35,898 So I packed my bags, went back to Ohio. 147 00:07:35,982 --> 00:07:37,645 Went back to high school. 148 00:07:38,484 --> 00:07:40,949 I drank a lot, drugged a lot. 149 00:07:41,554 --> 00:07:43,580 Got a job as a hostess in Cincinnati 150 00:07:43,664 --> 00:07:45,340 and I never heard from him again. 151 00:07:45,777 --> 00:07:47,977 But here you are, back in New York. 152 00:07:48,174 --> 00:07:51,982 But here I am... back in New York. 153 00:07:52,868 --> 00:07:55,934 About a year ago I started having pain... 154 00:07:56,396 --> 00:07:58,238 down there. 155 00:07:58,903 --> 00:08:01,714 Turns out it was a complication from the procedure, um, 156 00:08:01,798 --> 00:08:03,033 scar tissue. 157 00:08:03,117 --> 00:08:05,056 Something called Asherman's syndrome. 158 00:08:05,140 --> 00:08:07,541 It's... very expensive to fix. 159 00:08:07,625 --> 00:08:10,845 So I called the doctor; He told me to come back to New York, 160 00:08:10,929 --> 00:08:13,522 let him have a look at it, see if he could correct it. 161 00:08:13,829 --> 00:08:17,793 I got on a bus, stayed at a hotel. 162 00:08:18,505 --> 00:08:20,205 And the morning of my doctor's appointment, 163 00:08:20,289 --> 00:08:21,881 I go to the office. 164 00:08:21,977 --> 00:08:24,369 And I'm about to give the receptionist my name 165 00:08:24,453 --> 00:08:26,316 when I see something. 166 00:08:28,114 --> 00:08:30,599 Behind her, I suddenly realized 167 00:08:30,683 --> 00:08:33,879 that I can see into this private office space. 168 00:08:34,707 --> 00:08:37,418 And at first I think I'm seeing things. 169 00:08:38,036 --> 00:08:43,065 Beyond her through the open door, there's Roger. 170 00:08:43,443 --> 00:08:46,362 Just sitting there, looking like a nervous puppy 171 00:08:46,446 --> 00:08:48,016 and I'm thinking to myself, 172 00:08:48,100 --> 00:08:51,169 what's he doing at a women's health practice? 173 00:08:51,441 --> 00:08:54,166 And after my appointment, I waited across the street 174 00:08:54,250 --> 00:08:56,387 for him to leave so I could get a better look 175 00:08:56,471 --> 00:08:58,934 and... I saw he was with her. 176 00:08:59,764 --> 00:09:01,605 I'm sorry. He was with who? 177 00:09:01,689 --> 00:09:05,141 Emily. The girl who killed herself. 178 00:09:05,322 --> 00:09:06,747 Ah. 179 00:09:06,979 --> 00:09:11,229 So were you jealous? Is that what this was all about? 180 00:09:11,313 --> 00:09:13,537 No, I was enraged. 181 00:09:13,621 --> 00:09:15,691 I knew exactly why he brought her there. 182 00:09:15,780 --> 00:09:18,060 I could see the shame written all over her face. 183 00:09:18,144 --> 00:09:19,939 It was history repeating itself. 184 00:09:20,207 --> 00:09:23,215 I realized we were in a cycle. 185 00:09:23,299 --> 00:09:25,532 He used us both, he was done with us both, 186 00:09:25,616 --> 00:09:28,028 and this is how he cleaned up his mess. 187 00:09:28,112 --> 00:09:29,736 So, on the bus back to Ohio, 188 00:09:29,820 --> 00:09:31,973 I did something I hadn't done in four years. 189 00:09:32,057 --> 00:09:34,392 I looked him up online. 190 00:09:34,476 --> 00:09:36,499 I never wanted to know if he had replaced me 191 00:09:36,583 --> 00:09:38,588 with someone else, but... 192 00:09:38,672 --> 00:09:40,764 suddenly I was obsessed. 193 00:09:40,848 --> 00:09:44,226 And it turns out I was only one girl. 194 00:09:44,460 --> 00:09:46,553 It was at least four other girls, 195 00:09:46,637 --> 00:09:49,765 all the same pattern, all with him for six months to a year. 196 00:09:50,537 --> 00:09:53,429 And then the girls, the ones he would sponsor, 197 00:09:53,513 --> 00:09:56,911 would suddenly drop out of school, 198 00:09:56,995 --> 00:09:59,007 never to be heard of again, just... 199 00:09:59,399 --> 00:10:02,557 another girl who tried to make it in New York and couldn't. 200 00:10:02,925 --> 00:10:06,124 Another sweet young thing who hit her "sell by" date. 201 00:10:06,987 --> 00:10:09,457 Then I, um, read that 202 00:10:09,541 --> 00:10:11,263 Emily killed herself. 203 00:10:11,410 --> 00:10:13,780 And I knew he would go to the funeral. 204 00:10:17,032 --> 00:10:19,279 It's the district attorney and Judge Hopkins. 205 00:10:19,363 --> 00:10:20,913 May we come in? 206 00:10:21,149 --> 00:10:22,980 So, here we go, Holly. 207 00:10:23,064 --> 00:10:25,700 When they ask the question, you know what you have to answer. 208 00:10:26,019 --> 00:10:27,983 I'm guilty as hell. 209 00:10:29,664 --> 00:10:31,340 And proud of it. 210 00:10:36,318 --> 00:10:38,318 *BULL (2016)* Season 05 Episode 13 211 00:10:38,402 --> 00:10:40,425 Episode Title: "Law of the Jungle" Aired on: April 26, 2021 212 00:10:43,638 --> 00:10:44,948 This is Rachel Carter. 213 00:10:45,032 --> 00:10:46,809 She is two years older than Holly, 214 00:10:46,893 --> 00:10:49,108 but she pretty much had the same experience. 215 00:10:49,299 --> 00:10:50,609 Here on scholarships 216 00:10:50,693 --> 00:10:52,134 sponsored by Navarre. 217 00:10:52,218 --> 00:10:54,664 Began a consensual affair, though it was 218 00:10:54,748 --> 00:10:56,884 technically illegal in the eyes of the law 219 00:10:56,968 --> 00:10:58,450 because she was just 16. 220 00:10:58,534 --> 00:11:00,670 - He get her pregnant? - Certainly did. 221 00:11:00,754 --> 00:11:03,782 Rachel explained he wasn't a fan of protection, 222 00:11:03,870 --> 00:11:05,864 and he was adamant that the pill was poison. 223 00:11:05,948 --> 00:11:07,634 How incredibly selfless of him. 224 00:11:07,718 --> 00:11:08,852 What a guy. 225 00:11:08,936 --> 00:11:10,289 Is she willing to talk to us? 226 00:11:10,373 --> 00:11:12,670 And does she know any other girls he was involved with? 227 00:11:12,754 --> 00:11:14,878 Yes and yes. 228 00:11:19,319 --> 00:11:21,303 Marissa said you wanted to see us? 229 00:11:21,387 --> 00:11:22,693 Yeah. Hey, guys. 230 00:11:22,777 --> 00:11:24,629 I think I may have come up with a defense. 231 00:11:24,778 --> 00:11:25,782 Hmm. 232 00:11:25,866 --> 00:11:27,828 Defense of others. 233 00:11:27,912 --> 00:11:30,221 Oh. 234 00:11:30,305 --> 00:11:32,229 Okay. 235 00:11:32,313 --> 00:11:35,749 I can't, for the life of me, see how that applies here. 236 00:11:35,833 --> 00:11:36,939 Uh, I second that. 237 00:11:37,023 --> 00:11:38,440 Well, there were other girls. 238 00:11:38,892 --> 00:11:40,201 We march them through the courtroom 239 00:11:40,285 --> 00:11:41,595 and we let them tell their stories. 240 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,215 She did it for all of them. 241 00:11:44,428 --> 00:11:45,744 In defense of others. 242 00:11:45,828 --> 00:11:47,224 Oh, come on, Bull. You know that's not 243 00:11:47,308 --> 00:11:48,825 what defense of others means. 244 00:11:48,909 --> 00:11:50,767 We have no one to defend here. 245 00:11:50,851 --> 00:11:52,944 And that other victim was dead, lying in a coffin. 246 00:11:53,028 --> 00:11:55,270 Yeah, and the other girls that you're speaking about, 247 00:11:55,354 --> 00:11:57,365 they were presumably no longer involved with him. 248 00:11:57,449 --> 00:11:59,650 There was no need to defend them. 249 00:11:59,857 --> 00:12:02,229 Ha. You call yourselves lawyers. 250 00:12:02,313 --> 00:12:04,906 The reason there are judges, the reason there are courts, 251 00:12:05,036 --> 00:12:07,345 is because the law, to be effective, 252 00:12:07,429 --> 00:12:09,173 must be a living thing. 253 00:12:09,257 --> 00:12:11,464 Each case is its own creature. 254 00:12:11,548 --> 00:12:12,894 And that is why 255 00:12:13,180 --> 00:12:14,483 it has to be interpreted, 256 00:12:14,567 --> 00:12:16,704 not simply referenced and then applied. 257 00:12:16,788 --> 00:12:18,705 Now, I want to file a motion in limine 258 00:12:18,789 --> 00:12:20,054 and ask that judge for permission 259 00:12:20,138 --> 00:12:22,584 to put those other girls on the stand. 260 00:12:23,034 --> 00:12:28,129 Your Honor, in the matter of The People v. Holly Kerrigan, 261 00:12:28,213 --> 00:12:32,632 we contend that Holly Kerrigan killed Roger Navarre 262 00:12:32,716 --> 00:12:34,416 to prevent greater harm. 263 00:12:34,500 --> 00:12:36,810 We believe, in fact, that she was acting 264 00:12:36,894 --> 00:12:38,115 in defense of others. 265 00:12:38,199 --> 00:12:39,377 Now, 266 00:12:39,461 --> 00:12:41,118 in order for us to support this claim, 267 00:12:41,202 --> 00:12:43,294 we are asking for the court's permission to call 268 00:12:43,378 --> 00:12:46,733 several of Roger Navarre's scholarship students. 269 00:12:46,817 --> 00:12:49,344 Now, they will testify that the late Mr. Navarre 270 00:12:49,428 --> 00:12:52,739 was involved in a systematic pattern of seducing 271 00:12:52,823 --> 00:12:57,159 and in many cases impregnating young women he sponsored 272 00:12:57,243 --> 00:13:00,709 at a variety of art institutions here in New York. 273 00:13:00,793 --> 00:13:03,295 15-year-olds, 16-year-olds 274 00:13:03,379 --> 00:13:06,058 upending their lives and destroying their futures. 275 00:13:06,225 --> 00:13:07,883 Doing irreparable harm 276 00:13:07,967 --> 00:13:10,630 to their physical and mental health. 277 00:13:10,985 --> 00:13:12,410 A.D.A. Conway, 278 00:13:12,494 --> 00:13:13,411 your thoughts? 279 00:13:13,495 --> 00:13:14,935 Your Honor. 280 00:13:15,019 --> 00:13:16,893 The People don't dispute the fact 281 00:13:16,977 --> 00:13:19,463 that Roger Navarre may have been a predator. 282 00:13:19,547 --> 00:13:22,018 But that alone does not give Ms. Kerrigan license 283 00:13:22,102 --> 00:13:25,293 to gun him down in a church full of mourners. 284 00:13:25,377 --> 00:13:26,773 These women's experiences 285 00:13:26,857 --> 00:13:28,949 are irrelevant to the crime 286 00:13:29,033 --> 00:13:30,472 Ms. Kerrigan is accused of. 287 00:13:30,556 --> 00:13:32,300 In fact, we strongly doubt that Ms. Kerrigan 288 00:13:32,384 --> 00:13:33,780 has ever even met these women before. 289 00:13:33,864 --> 00:13:38,359 And that is why the People strongly urge the court 290 00:13:38,443 --> 00:13:40,308 to deny the defendant's motion. 291 00:13:40,392 --> 00:13:43,615 Before I make my ruling, I'd like to hear 292 00:13:43,699 --> 00:13:45,595 from at least one of these women. 293 00:13:45,943 --> 00:13:47,592 Would you please tell the court 294 00:13:47,676 --> 00:13:48,681 your name? 295 00:13:48,765 --> 00:13:50,311 My name is Rachel Carter. 296 00:13:50,395 --> 00:13:53,510 And what is your connection to Roger Navarre? 297 00:13:53,753 --> 00:13:58,456 Well, I had a number of connections to Mr. Navarre. 298 00:13:58,540 --> 00:14:00,458 I first met him when I applied 299 00:14:00,542 --> 00:14:02,519 to the Manhattan Institute of Ballet. 300 00:14:02,603 --> 00:14:04,652 He saw a tape of my audition, 301 00:14:04,736 --> 00:14:07,277 heard I'd been accepted, and then reached out to me 302 00:14:07,361 --> 00:14:09,649 and offered to help with expenses. 303 00:14:10,049 --> 00:14:12,044 I was very grateful. 304 00:14:12,128 --> 00:14:14,847 And then, over time, 305 00:14:14,931 --> 00:14:18,220 the relationship became more personal. 306 00:14:18,673 --> 00:14:20,104 Romantic? 307 00:14:20,188 --> 00:14:21,878 I believed so at the time. 308 00:14:21,962 --> 00:14:24,424 Looking back, from Roger's point of view, 309 00:14:24,715 --> 00:14:27,535 I'm sure it was fundamentally sexual. 310 00:14:27,619 --> 00:14:30,006 Now, let's start from the beginning. 311 00:14:30,275 --> 00:14:34,035 When Roger Navarre first reached out, you were how old? 312 00:14:34,119 --> 00:14:36,201 I was 14 years old. 313 00:14:36,285 --> 00:14:38,723 Okay, and then you moved to New York, 314 00:14:38,807 --> 00:14:41,230 and about how long before the nature 315 00:14:41,314 --> 00:14:43,256 of the relationship changed? 316 00:14:43,368 --> 00:14:45,857 About a year and a half. 317 00:14:46,132 --> 00:14:49,245 He called me one night, asked if I'd ever been to an opera. 318 00:14:49,329 --> 00:14:50,636 I, of course, had not. 319 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,878 Not many operas pass through Chaney, Texas, where I'm from. 320 00:14:53,962 --> 00:14:56,878 And opera tickets here in New York are very pricey. 321 00:14:56,962 --> 00:14:59,203 And you went to Lincoln Center and saw what? 322 00:14:59,287 --> 00:15:02,527 Flew on his private jet to San Francisco 323 00:15:02,611 --> 00:15:04,011 to see La bohème. 324 00:15:04,095 --> 00:15:05,911 Wow. 325 00:15:05,995 --> 00:15:08,805 So, did the relationship change that night? 326 00:15:09,401 --> 00:15:11,256 I wanted it to. 327 00:15:12,092 --> 00:15:16,491 I was so consumed by all of it. By him. 328 00:15:16,575 --> 00:15:18,929 But no. He really took 329 00:15:19,013 --> 00:15:21,500 his time. Really won my trust. 330 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:25,829 I think he wanted me to believe it was all my idea. 331 00:15:26,628 --> 00:15:29,821 I had never been with anyone at that point in my life. 332 00:15:30,397 --> 00:15:33,102 Anyway, it was about two months later. 333 00:15:33,186 --> 00:15:34,583 We were on a boat, 334 00:15:34,667 --> 00:15:37,375 a sailboat that belonged to a friend of his, 335 00:15:38,118 --> 00:15:40,210 out in the middle of the ocean. 336 00:15:40,294 --> 00:15:43,039 I had never done anything like that. 337 00:15:43,123 --> 00:15:45,563 Everywhere you looked, you only saw water. 338 00:15:45,647 --> 00:15:47,565 No land. 339 00:15:47,649 --> 00:15:49,946 I found it very freeing. 340 00:15:50,504 --> 00:15:52,772 I'll let you figure out the rest. 341 00:15:52,856 --> 00:15:54,688 And was there alcohol involved? 342 00:15:54,772 --> 00:15:55,790 Yes. 343 00:15:55,874 --> 00:15:57,428 And drugs? Yes. 344 00:15:57,512 --> 00:15:59,229 And you were how old at this point? 345 00:15:59,313 --> 00:16:01,188 16.And when 346 00:16:01,272 --> 00:16:03,712 the two of you had sex, did he use protection? 347 00:16:03,796 --> 00:16:05,105 He didn't like that. 348 00:16:05,189 --> 00:16:07,172 So, what happened? 349 00:16:07,409 --> 00:16:09,214 How did it end? 350 00:16:11,683 --> 00:16:14,522 Little less than a year later, I got pregnant. 351 00:16:14,870 --> 00:16:17,107 He said he'd take care of the whole thing, 352 00:16:17,191 --> 00:16:19,280 be with me the whole time. 353 00:16:19,604 --> 00:16:21,349 Truth is... 354 00:16:21,433 --> 00:16:22,800 Truth was 355 00:16:22,884 --> 00:16:25,210 I didn't want it to be taken care of. 356 00:16:25,324 --> 00:16:27,856 I had this crazy teenaged idea 357 00:16:27,940 --> 00:16:30,803 that we'd get married and travel the world. 358 00:16:30,887 --> 00:16:32,883 Just keep doing what we were doing, 359 00:16:32,967 --> 00:16:36,057 except I wouldn't be in school, and we'd have this baby. 360 00:16:36,853 --> 00:16:38,682 Made perfect sense to me. 361 00:16:38,832 --> 00:16:40,270 Really freaked him out. 362 00:16:40,354 --> 00:16:42,055 He said no. 363 00:16:42,139 --> 00:16:43,926 It had to be taken care of. 364 00:16:44,010 --> 00:16:47,342 Two weeks later, I... 365 00:16:47,628 --> 00:16:48,805 get a letter 366 00:16:48,972 --> 00:16:52,712 explaining that his "assistance" had run its course. 367 00:16:52,796 --> 00:16:55,503 That I was free to apply to other benefactors 368 00:16:55,587 --> 00:16:57,175 should I so choose 369 00:16:57,328 --> 00:16:59,942 but that his assistance was no longer available to me. 370 00:17:00,026 --> 00:17:01,509 So what did you do? 371 00:17:01,593 --> 00:17:04,555 I withdrew from school. Got a place of my own. 372 00:17:04,639 --> 00:17:06,079 Got a job dancing. 373 00:17:06,163 --> 00:17:07,732 Dancing? 374 00:17:07,816 --> 00:17:11,127 I lied about my age, got a job dancing. 375 00:17:11,211 --> 00:17:13,738 Topless. Then nude. 376 00:17:13,822 --> 00:17:16,524 Now I do photography and modeling. 377 00:17:16,608 --> 00:17:18,787 Adult modeling. 378 00:17:18,871 --> 00:17:21,007 I see. Thank you. 379 00:17:21,091 --> 00:17:22,856 No further questions, Your Honor. 380 00:17:23,243 --> 00:17:25,054 Here comes the moment of truth. 381 00:17:25,138 --> 00:17:26,642 Thank you, Ms. Carter, 382 00:17:26,847 --> 00:17:29,524 for telling the court your story. 383 00:17:31,057 --> 00:17:32,496 Your Honor, 384 00:17:32,580 --> 00:17:36,326 we're all sorry for what happened to Ms. Carter. 385 00:17:36,410 --> 00:17:38,981 And I understand that the defense 386 00:17:39,065 --> 00:17:40,678 has lined up additional witnesses 387 00:17:40,762 --> 00:17:42,702 with similar accounts. 388 00:17:42,818 --> 00:17:46,445 But the fact remains that none of this is relevant. 389 00:17:46,724 --> 00:17:48,367 Moreover, its probative value 390 00:17:48,451 --> 00:17:50,036 is far outweighed by the prejudicial effect 391 00:17:50,120 --> 00:17:51,756 it would have on the jury. 392 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:53,300 This kind of evidence, 393 00:17:53,384 --> 00:17:55,563 these kinds of witnesses need to be excluded. 394 00:17:55,647 --> 00:17:57,391 Your Honor, with all due respect... 395 00:17:57,475 --> 00:17:58,566 While I am not 396 00:17:58,650 --> 00:18:00,827 unsympathetic to the facts, 397 00:18:01,261 --> 00:18:04,007 I have to make my ruling based on the law. 398 00:18:04,314 --> 00:18:07,238 And the law agrees with A.D.A. Conway. 399 00:18:07,620 --> 00:18:09,533 We're not here to judge whether 400 00:18:09,617 --> 00:18:12,058 the late Mr. Navarre was an honorable man 401 00:18:12,142 --> 00:18:13,885 or not. We are here 402 00:18:13,969 --> 00:18:17,388 to decide whether Ms. Kerrigan acted in defense of others. 403 00:18:17,886 --> 00:18:20,066 And there is nothing in the testimony that I heard 404 00:18:20,150 --> 00:18:21,856 that suggests that is the case. 405 00:18:21,940 --> 00:18:25,520 And for that reason, your motion in limine is denied. 406 00:18:44,923 --> 00:18:46,570 It's not really all that bad. 407 00:18:46,654 --> 00:18:47,854 Yeah, it is. 408 00:18:48,361 --> 00:18:50,151 - Yeah, it is. - Okay. 409 00:18:50,235 --> 00:18:51,338 I asked 410 00:18:51,422 --> 00:18:52,924 Marissa to reach out to all the women 411 00:18:53,008 --> 00:18:54,276 who were involved with Roger Navarre, 412 00:18:54,360 --> 00:18:57,144 see if they would be available to sit in court 413 00:18:57,228 --> 00:18:58,756 once the trial begins. 414 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:00,802 But it's COVID. No public allowed.Yes. 415 00:19:00,886 --> 00:19:02,978 I know. And I am gonna go to the judge, 416 00:19:03,062 --> 00:19:04,458 and I'm gonna make a special plea. 417 00:19:04,542 --> 00:19:06,960 Since these women were not allowed to testify, 418 00:19:07,072 --> 00:19:09,158 they should at least be allowed to witness the trial. 419 00:19:09,242 --> 00:19:10,768 The trial of a woman who suffered 420 00:19:10,852 --> 00:19:12,640 at the hands of the same man they did. 421 00:19:12,724 --> 00:19:16,681 And I will argue it will help their mental well-being. 422 00:19:16,904 --> 00:19:18,625 That's awfully nice of you. 423 00:19:18,709 --> 00:19:21,170 Going to bat with the judge to make that happen. 424 00:19:21,254 --> 00:19:22,883 There's nothing nice about it. 425 00:19:22,967 --> 00:19:24,521 I want them sitting in that gallery. 426 00:19:24,605 --> 00:19:26,306 I want the jury wondering about them. 427 00:19:26,390 --> 00:19:27,969 And I want you to find a moment 428 00:19:28,053 --> 00:19:30,102 to point them out, to indicate 429 00:19:30,186 --> 00:19:34,270 that they went through the same version of hell 430 00:19:34,354 --> 00:19:35,861 that Holly went through. 431 00:19:36,010 --> 00:19:38,622 Agent Sturgeon, when did Ms. Kerrigan 432 00:19:38,706 --> 00:19:40,734 come to the FBI offices to meet with you? 433 00:19:40,818 --> 00:19:42,650 Holly Kerrigan first came to meet me 434 00:19:42,734 --> 00:19:44,435 a little over a year ago. 435 00:19:44,519 --> 00:19:46,372 And what was the purpose of that visit? 436 00:19:46,497 --> 00:19:47,936 She alleged that Roger Navarre 437 00:19:48,020 --> 00:19:49,894 had committed statutory rape on her person 438 00:19:49,978 --> 00:19:52,419 and, additionally, had provided illegal substances 439 00:19:52,503 --> 00:19:53,898 to a minor... her... 440 00:19:53,982 --> 00:19:55,422 Over a period 441 00:19:55,506 --> 00:19:57,076 of about 18 months. 442 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,034 And what did you do with that information? 443 00:19:59,118 --> 00:20:00,514 Well, I opened 444 00:20:00,598 --> 00:20:02,516 a case file, started looking into Mr. Navarre. 445 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:04,648 Tried to determine if there was any truth 446 00:20:04,732 --> 00:20:06,433 to what Ms. Kerrigan alleged. 447 00:20:06,517 --> 00:20:08,261 And opening up a case file, 448 00:20:08,345 --> 00:20:11,829 looking into someone like Roger Navarre, 449 00:20:11,913 --> 00:20:14,484 can you tell us what that entails? 450 00:20:14,568 --> 00:20:15,964 Let me be clear. 451 00:20:16,048 --> 00:20:18,532 We didn't take these allegations lightly. 452 00:20:18,616 --> 00:20:21,361 But investigations like this 453 00:20:21,445 --> 00:20:24,777 can go on for months, sometimes years. 454 00:20:24,995 --> 00:20:27,280 You have to make sure you have all of your ducks in a row 455 00:20:27,364 --> 00:20:29,238 before you start indicting people, 456 00:20:29,322 --> 00:20:31,371 particularly people as well-connected 457 00:20:31,455 --> 00:20:32,959 as Roger Navarre. 458 00:20:33,354 --> 00:20:34,591 And did the defendant 459 00:20:34,675 --> 00:20:36,636 continue to communicate with you? 460 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,095 Yes, we spoke on a number of occasions. 461 00:20:39,768 --> 00:20:41,192 She would call and email 462 00:20:41,276 --> 00:20:42,527 from Ohio. 463 00:20:42,611 --> 00:20:45,705 And what was the purpose of these calls and emails? 464 00:20:45,789 --> 00:20:48,338 Did she have additional information to offer 465 00:20:48,472 --> 00:20:50,520 about Roger Navarre? 466 00:20:50,604 --> 00:20:52,261 It's-it's my understanding that, 467 00:20:52,345 --> 00:20:54,524 at that point, they were no longer communicating. 468 00:20:54,608 --> 00:20:56,700 Not for years. 469 00:20:56,784 --> 00:20:58,746 No, the purpose of these calls and emails 470 00:20:58,830 --> 00:21:00,661 was primarily to express her impatience 471 00:21:00,745 --> 00:21:02,097 with the investigation. 472 00:21:02,181 --> 00:21:04,839 Her frustration with the process. 473 00:21:04,923 --> 00:21:08,147 And, I suppose, her frustration with me. 474 00:21:08,231 --> 00:21:11,193 So were you surprised 475 00:21:11,277 --> 00:21:13,500 when she took matters into her own hands? 476 00:21:13,584 --> 00:21:14,805 No. 477 00:21:14,889 --> 00:21:16,024 Not entirely. 478 00:21:16,108 --> 00:21:17,702 Thank you, Agent Sturgeon. 479 00:21:17,786 --> 00:21:19,592 No further questions. 480 00:21:27,162 --> 00:21:28,742 Good morning, Agent Sturgeon. 481 00:21:28,826 --> 00:21:29,918 Good morning. 482 00:21:30,002 --> 00:21:31,800 Now, point in fact, 483 00:21:31,884 --> 00:21:34,369 my client Holly Kerrigan wasn't the only person 484 00:21:34,453 --> 00:21:37,335 that came to see you about Roger Navarre, was she? 485 00:21:37,419 --> 00:21:39,019 I believe it's time for an objection. 486 00:21:39,103 --> 00:21:40,544 Objection, Your Honor! 487 00:21:40,628 --> 00:21:41,937 Relevance? 488 00:21:42,021 --> 00:21:43,399 Your Honor, 489 00:21:43,483 --> 00:21:45,140 it's the A.D.A. who called the witness 490 00:21:45,224 --> 00:21:47,335 and opened the door to the fact that the FBI 491 00:21:47,419 --> 00:21:50,475 opened up an investigation on Roger Navarre. 492 00:21:50,559 --> 00:21:52,424 Objection overruled. 493 00:21:52,693 --> 00:21:54,815 The witness will answer the question. 494 00:21:55,341 --> 00:21:57,239 I'm sorry, what was the question? 495 00:21:57,323 --> 00:21:59,154 Well, let me refresh your memory. 496 00:21:59,238 --> 00:22:01,722 I was asking if my client, Holly Kerrigan, 497 00:22:01,806 --> 00:22:04,290 was the only person who came to the Bureau 498 00:22:04,374 --> 00:22:05,962 about Roger Navarre? 499 00:22:06,811 --> 00:22:08,315 No, she was not. 500 00:22:08,436 --> 00:22:10,774 No, in fact, a number of other women 501 00:22:10,858 --> 00:22:13,255 came to see you personally to file 502 00:22:13,339 --> 00:22:15,649 similar complaints against Mr. Navarre. 503 00:22:15,733 --> 00:22:17,237 Isn't that correct? 504 00:22:17,679 --> 00:22:19,159 Yes, that's correct. 505 00:22:19,413 --> 00:22:21,220 And I know they are wearing masks, 506 00:22:21,304 --> 00:22:23,613 but perhaps you can point out, uh, 507 00:22:23,697 --> 00:22:25,734 the ones that you have spoken to in the past? 508 00:22:25,818 --> 00:22:27,694 Again, Your Honor, what is the relevance 509 00:22:27,778 --> 00:22:29,175 of this line of questioning? 510 00:22:29,259 --> 00:22:31,004 It sounds to me like the defense is intentionally 511 00:22:31,088 --> 00:22:33,057 making a mockery of your earlier order 512 00:22:33,141 --> 00:22:35,031 not to hear testimony from anyone who may have been 513 00:22:35,115 --> 00:22:36,947 involved with the late Mr. Navarre. 514 00:22:37,031 --> 00:22:38,646 My goodness, A.D.A. Conway 515 00:22:38,730 --> 00:22:39,890 has quite a temper. 516 00:22:39,974 --> 00:22:41,900 Objection sustained. 517 00:22:41,984 --> 00:22:44,991 The jury will disregard any remarks regarding the women 518 00:22:45,075 --> 00:22:46,536 seated in the gallery. 519 00:22:46,952 --> 00:22:48,812 And I'm putting the defense on notice. 520 00:22:48,896 --> 00:22:50,727 Any further shenanigans of this type, 521 00:22:50,811 --> 00:22:52,109 and I will rescind 522 00:22:52,193 --> 00:22:54,263 my invitation to these observers. 523 00:22:54,554 --> 00:22:56,015 Am I clear? 524 00:22:56,350 --> 00:22:57,865 Very clear, Your Honor. 525 00:22:57,949 --> 00:23:00,134 Any more questions for the witness? 526 00:23:00,218 --> 00:23:01,612 No, Your Honor. 527 00:23:03,163 --> 00:23:05,305 I believe we covered it all. 528 00:23:05,389 --> 00:23:07,414 Yes, I believe we have. 529 00:23:11,764 --> 00:23:13,456 She's all dressed. 530 00:23:20,866 --> 00:23:22,237 Holly, I meant to ask you this morning, 531 00:23:22,321 --> 00:23:24,158 how was your first night in prison? 532 00:23:24,242 --> 00:23:26,050 It was fine. 533 00:23:26,194 --> 00:23:28,917 They had me all by myself and there's cameras. 534 00:23:29,022 --> 00:23:31,651 Nobody wants me to kill myself when they're not looking. 535 00:23:33,891 --> 00:23:36,541 Holly, there's something I want you to think about tonight. 536 00:23:38,235 --> 00:23:39,588 You're very good at telling people that, 537 00:23:39,672 --> 00:23:41,069 without Roger Navarre, 538 00:23:41,153 --> 00:23:42,997 you never would have come to New York City, 539 00:23:43,081 --> 00:23:45,002 you never would have learned to dance. 540 00:23:45,461 --> 00:23:48,534 But did it ever occur to you that, without Roger Navarre... 541 00:23:48,782 --> 00:23:50,588 ...you never would have picked up a gun? 542 00:23:50,703 --> 00:23:52,089 You never would have shot someone. 543 00:23:52,173 --> 00:23:55,201 You never would have spent a single night in prison. 544 00:23:56,046 --> 00:23:58,839 If Roger Navarre had not come 545 00:23:58,923 --> 00:24:02,143 into your life, if he had not done the things that he did, 546 00:24:02,709 --> 00:24:04,706 your life would be very different. 547 00:24:05,060 --> 00:24:06,436 And don't you think that's a point 548 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,010 worth making to this jury? 549 00:24:08,264 --> 00:24:10,411 Don't you think your own life is worth fighting for? 550 00:24:11,353 --> 00:24:12,924 Prison van's here. 551 00:24:14,788 --> 00:24:15,793 I'll see you in the morning. 552 00:24:15,877 --> 00:24:17,416 See you in the morning, Holly. 553 00:24:27,647 --> 00:24:29,784 Ah. 554 00:24:29,902 --> 00:24:31,306 It's my favorite fiancée. 555 00:24:31,390 --> 00:24:32,710 Hello, my dear. 556 00:24:32,794 --> 00:24:35,266 I'm on my way home. Your brother says hi. 557 00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:37,573 What do you mean, your "favorite" fiancée? 558 00:24:37,657 --> 00:24:38,922 You win. 559 00:24:39,006 --> 00:24:40,336 You're not my favorite. 560 00:24:40,420 --> 00:24:42,664 Now I feel bad. You sound like you're in a good mood. 561 00:24:42,843 --> 00:24:44,347 Why? What's going on? 562 00:24:44,468 --> 00:24:46,963 I take it that you haven't seen the news? 563 00:24:47,101 --> 00:24:49,721 I DVR'd something I thought you'd want to know about. 564 00:24:49,930 --> 00:24:52,016 And in legal news, turns out 565 00:24:52,100 --> 00:24:54,532 that Holly Kerrigan, the young woman who shot 566 00:24:54,616 --> 00:24:57,941 and killed billionaire hedge fund manager Roger Navarre 567 00:24:58,025 --> 00:24:59,665 in front of 30-odd witnesses 568 00:24:59,749 --> 00:25:01,453 at the funeral of a friend, 569 00:25:01,537 --> 00:25:04,110 has a complicated mental health history. 570 00:25:04,194 --> 00:25:07,099 Investigators for the Manhattan Daily Journal discovered 571 00:25:07,183 --> 00:25:11,038 that she spent time in no less than three Ohio mental health 572 00:25:11,122 --> 00:25:13,261 and drug rehabilitation facilities 573 00:25:13,345 --> 00:25:15,399 prior to her 20th birthday. 574 00:25:16,247 --> 00:25:17,591 Did you get all that? 575 00:25:17,817 --> 00:25:19,941 Yeah. We got it. 576 00:25:20,153 --> 00:25:21,617 All right, I'll see you in a little bit? 577 00:25:21,701 --> 00:25:23,492 See you in a bit. 578 00:25:24,654 --> 00:25:26,187 Well... 579 00:25:26,271 --> 00:25:27,710 they didn't waste any time. 580 00:25:27,794 --> 00:25:29,864 You think the D.A.'s office put that out there? 581 00:25:30,090 --> 00:25:31,997 Please, it's right from the playbook. 582 00:25:32,114 --> 00:25:34,038 The second we get a little traction 583 00:25:34,122 --> 00:25:37,602 by having those five previous victims in the courtroom... 584 00:25:44,825 --> 00:25:47,826 Okay. I think, at this point, it's safe to assume 585 00:25:47,910 --> 00:25:50,268 the jury knows that you have spent some time in rehab, 586 00:25:50,352 --> 00:25:52,443 as well as some other institutions, 587 00:25:52,527 --> 00:25:54,272 because of your mental health issues. 588 00:25:54,356 --> 00:25:57,383 The depression and the suicidal thoughts. 589 00:25:57,497 --> 00:25:58,608 Okay. 590 00:25:58,692 --> 00:26:00,613 But isn't that just more evidence, 591 00:26:00,697 --> 00:26:03,224 more proof that what happened to me actually happened to me? 592 00:26:03,308 --> 00:26:05,226 Okay, I promise you, I never would have needed to go 593 00:26:05,310 --> 00:26:07,402 to those places if I hadn't met Roger Navarre. 594 00:26:07,486 --> 00:26:08,969 Sadly, almost certainly, 595 00:26:09,053 --> 00:26:11,305 the jury isn't gonna look at it that way. 596 00:26:11,396 --> 00:26:13,728 That's why I want to discuss a different strategy with you. 597 00:26:15,643 --> 00:26:17,669 We would like you to consider 598 00:26:17,764 --> 00:26:20,732 allowing us to pursue an insanity defense. 599 00:26:21,544 --> 00:26:23,182 But I'm not insane. 600 00:26:23,266 --> 00:26:26,516 Okay, killing Roger wasn't just some crazy, impetuous act. 601 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,667 In some ways, it was the single most rational thing 602 00:26:28,751 --> 00:26:30,041 I've ever done in my life. 603 00:26:30,125 --> 00:26:32,097 And I don't want to spend the rest of my life in an asylum. 604 00:26:32,181 --> 00:26:34,208 Or in a prison, for that matter. 605 00:26:34,548 --> 00:26:36,403 Well, that's good to hear, Holly. 606 00:26:37,342 --> 00:26:39,322 That sounds like progress. 607 00:26:40,037 --> 00:26:41,825 Sounds like someone who's starting to care 608 00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:45,724 about what happens to them the day after the trial is over. 609 00:26:46,699 --> 00:26:47,964 Holly, 610 00:26:48,048 --> 00:26:50,314 choosing to mount an insanity defense 611 00:26:50,398 --> 00:26:52,307 does not mean that you're insane. 612 00:26:52,391 --> 00:26:55,929 It only means that you weren't capable of rational thought, 613 00:26:56,013 --> 00:26:58,279 of understanding the difference between right and wrong 614 00:26:58,363 --> 00:27:00,542 when you chose to kill Roger Navarre. 615 00:27:00,626 --> 00:27:02,805 And if the jury decides to accept our defense 616 00:27:02,889 --> 00:27:04,154 when they deliberate, 617 00:27:04,238 --> 00:27:05,487 it often means, 618 00:27:05,571 --> 00:27:07,636 after a proper examination 619 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,706 and you are found to be of sound mind, 620 00:27:09,790 --> 00:27:12,027 that you will be free to live the rest of your life 621 00:27:12,111 --> 00:27:13,263 as a free woman. 622 00:27:14,161 --> 00:27:16,014 What do you think? 623 00:27:16,540 --> 00:27:18,896 I really think this is the move here. 624 00:27:19,602 --> 00:27:21,998 Now that the prosecution has rested their case 625 00:27:22,082 --> 00:27:24,653 and the defense is about to begin presenting theirs, 626 00:27:24,737 --> 00:27:26,935 I've been informed that Ms. Kerrigan 627 00:27:27,173 --> 00:27:28,527 would like to change her plea 628 00:27:28,611 --> 00:27:30,898 to "not guilty by reason of insanity." 629 00:27:31,517 --> 00:27:33,096 I need the jury to understand 630 00:27:33,180 --> 00:27:35,185 that this is simply an added option when it comes time 631 00:27:35,269 --> 00:27:36,926 to making a decision. 632 00:27:37,010 --> 00:27:39,059 You can still find the defendant guilty, 633 00:27:39,143 --> 00:27:40,887 find the defendant innocent, 634 00:27:40,971 --> 00:27:43,367 or, if you feel she meets the threshold requirements... 635 00:27:43,451 --> 00:27:45,585 Which we will discuss during deliberations... 636 00:27:45,669 --> 00:27:48,224 Not guilty by reason of insanity. 637 00:27:48,767 --> 00:27:50,165 All right, then. 638 00:27:50,249 --> 00:27:51,490 Mr. Colón, 639 00:27:51,574 --> 00:27:53,209 you may call your first witness. 640 00:27:53,361 --> 00:27:54,659 Dr. Diposo, 641 00:27:54,743 --> 00:27:57,786 would you please tell the jury what it is you do for a living? 642 00:27:58,212 --> 00:28:01,342 I'm what they call a forensic psychiatrist. 643 00:28:01,426 --> 00:28:03,692 I deal primarily in the assessment 644 00:28:03,776 --> 00:28:06,390 and treatment of people in prisons, 645 00:28:06,474 --> 00:28:08,581 people in psychiatric hospitals, 646 00:28:08,665 --> 00:28:11,629 and occasionally individuals among the general public 647 00:28:11,713 --> 00:28:13,833 who have mental health issues. 648 00:28:13,917 --> 00:28:15,661 And are you familiar 649 00:28:15,745 --> 00:28:16,966 with Holly Kerrigan? 650 00:28:17,050 --> 00:28:18,362 Yes, I am. 651 00:28:18,446 --> 00:28:20,734 In fact, I met with her personally this morning. 652 00:28:20,837 --> 00:28:23,016 In addition, I've studied the records 653 00:28:23,100 --> 00:28:24,996 of the crime of which she's accused. 654 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,363 Transcripts, police reports, 655 00:28:27,447 --> 00:28:28,913 evidence files. 656 00:28:29,204 --> 00:28:31,981 And have you come to any opinion 657 00:28:32,065 --> 00:28:34,854 regarding Ms. Kerrigan's mental health 658 00:28:34,938 --> 00:28:39,143 in the hours, days or even weeks surrounding the killing? 659 00:28:39,227 --> 00:28:40,624 I have. 660 00:28:40,708 --> 00:28:42,757 Based on everything that I've reviewed, 661 00:28:42,841 --> 00:28:45,065 it seems fairly obvious to me 662 00:28:45,149 --> 00:28:46,596 that, prior to the killing, 663 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:51,230 she was suffering from a profound case of PTSD 664 00:28:51,441 --> 00:28:55,438 stemming from both her relationship with Mr. Navarre 665 00:28:55,522 --> 00:28:57,441 and its aftermath. 666 00:28:57,525 --> 00:29:00,575 And in the days and weeks leading up to 667 00:29:00,659 --> 00:29:02,888 and including the killing, 668 00:29:03,254 --> 00:29:08,278 I believe her behavior fits the legal definition of insanity. 669 00:29:08,362 --> 00:29:11,717 Right. I-It... You hear about PTSD all the time. 670 00:29:11,801 --> 00:29:13,414 Seems like it's everywhere. 671 00:29:13,498 --> 00:29:14,763 Is it even real? 672 00:29:14,847 --> 00:29:16,939 Does such a thing actually exist? 673 00:29:17,023 --> 00:29:19,252 Oh, it absolutely exists. 674 00:29:19,336 --> 00:29:21,038 In fact, it's been recognized 675 00:29:21,122 --> 00:29:23,322 for over a century under different names. 676 00:29:23,603 --> 00:29:26,732 In World War I, they called it "shellshock." 677 00:29:26,816 --> 00:29:28,237 In World War II, 678 00:29:28,321 --> 00:29:30,409 they referred to it as "battle fatigue." 679 00:29:30,493 --> 00:29:31,885 It's all the same thing. 680 00:29:31,969 --> 00:29:34,508 And it doesn't just happen to soldiers in combat. 681 00:29:34,837 --> 00:29:36,105 Anyone who's party to 682 00:29:36,189 --> 00:29:38,838 or witnesses a traumatic event 683 00:29:38,922 --> 00:29:41,122 is a candidate for it. 684 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,863 And does PTSD make you nsane? 685 00:29:43,947 --> 00:29:45,760 No, it does not. 686 00:29:45,844 --> 00:29:49,363 And yet you began your testimony by stating unequivocally 687 00:29:49,447 --> 00:29:52,148 that Holly Kerrigan was legally insane. 688 00:29:52,232 --> 00:29:55,282 Or at least she was in the days or hours 689 00:29:55,366 --> 00:29:57,414 prior to Roger Navarre's death. 690 00:29:57,498 --> 00:29:58,760 I do. 691 00:29:58,844 --> 00:30:00,458 I think a simple review of the facts 692 00:30:00,542 --> 00:30:02,307 makes that abundantly clear. 693 00:30:02,665 --> 00:30:03,943 How do you mean? 694 00:30:04,027 --> 00:30:05,640 Put aside whether you believe 695 00:30:05,724 --> 00:30:09,355 the act of murder is the undertaking of a sane person. 696 00:30:09,439 --> 00:30:11,472 Making a choice to kill a person 697 00:30:11,556 --> 00:30:14,417 in front of so many witnesses is not. 698 00:30:14,501 --> 00:30:15,737 Add to that that, 699 00:30:15,821 --> 00:30:17,685 once she pulled the trigger, 700 00:30:17,823 --> 00:30:20,394 she made absolutely no attempt to flee. 701 00:30:20,478 --> 00:30:21,926 Add to that, 702 00:30:22,010 --> 00:30:24,559 then she tried to kill herself. 703 00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:26,280 That human being, 704 00:30:26,364 --> 00:30:27,706 in that moment, 705 00:30:27,790 --> 00:30:29,185 is not sane. 706 00:30:31,532 --> 00:30:32,849 I see. 707 00:30:33,392 --> 00:30:34,843 Thank you very much. 708 00:30:34,927 --> 00:30:36,844 I have no further questions, Your Honor. 709 00:30:36,928 --> 00:30:38,586 Dr. Diposo, 710 00:30:38,670 --> 00:30:41,605 you testified that you met with the accused 711 00:30:41,689 --> 00:30:43,361 for the first time this morning. 712 00:30:43,445 --> 00:30:44,736 That's correct. 713 00:30:44,820 --> 00:30:46,725 And what time did that meeting take place? 714 00:30:46,809 --> 00:30:49,140 We started around 10:00 a.m. 715 00:30:49,329 --> 00:30:50,729 And how long did you go? 716 00:30:50,813 --> 00:30:52,708 Little over two hours. 717 00:30:52,931 --> 00:30:56,299 Okay. So, it's a little after 2:00 now... 718 00:30:56,383 --> 00:30:58,666 45 minutes for lunch... W... wouldn't you say 719 00:30:58,750 --> 00:31:02,741 that you arrived at your conclusions rather quickly? 720 00:31:02,825 --> 00:31:06,573 Again, the accused's behavior, in that moment, 721 00:31:06,657 --> 00:31:07,963 says it all. 722 00:31:08,047 --> 00:31:11,807 No matter how much time I might have to contemplate, 723 00:31:11,891 --> 00:31:14,611 it wouldn't change my conclusions. 724 00:31:15,673 --> 00:31:16,994 John Wilkes Booth. 725 00:31:17,129 --> 00:31:18,308 Insane? 726 00:31:18,392 --> 00:31:19,377 Excuse me? 727 00:31:19,461 --> 00:31:21,760 John Wilkes Booth, the man who shot Abraham Lincoln. 728 00:31:21,844 --> 00:31:24,237 Did it in a theater full of people. 729 00:31:24,321 --> 00:31:26,852 By your definition, wouldn't he be insane? 730 00:31:26,936 --> 00:31:29,289 I'm not prepared to render a decision on that. 731 00:31:29,373 --> 00:31:31,525 I've never met with Mr. Booth. 732 00:31:31,609 --> 00:31:33,989 Of course not. And he did try to flee, so... 733 00:31:34,073 --> 00:31:35,164 never mind. 734 00:31:35,248 --> 00:31:36,605 Objection, Your Honor. 735 00:31:36,689 --> 00:31:38,989 Counsel is badgering the witness. 736 00:31:39,212 --> 00:31:40,269 My apologies, Your Honor. 737 00:31:40,353 --> 00:31:42,541 I'll withdraw the question, Your Honor. 738 00:31:42,728 --> 00:31:43,917 How about Sirhan Sirhan? 739 00:31:44,001 --> 00:31:45,881 Shot Bobby Kennedy in a room full of people 740 00:31:45,965 --> 00:31:48,175 in a hotel in Los Angeles... Insane? 741 00:31:48,836 --> 00:31:49,875 Your Honor... 742 00:31:49,959 --> 00:31:50,919 Ms. Conway! 743 00:31:51,003 --> 00:31:52,635 How about all the terrorists 744 00:31:52,719 --> 00:31:54,768 in all the planes that attacked this country on 9/11? 745 00:31:54,852 --> 00:31:56,423 Insane? Or impassioned? 746 00:31:56,507 --> 00:31:57,468 Crazy? Or determined 747 00:31:57,552 --> 00:31:58,842 to do something and willing 748 00:31:58,926 --> 00:32:00,671 - to get it done at any cost? - Your Honor, 749 00:32:00,755 --> 00:32:03,413 counsel isn't even addressing the witness. 750 00:32:03,497 --> 00:32:05,939 She is testifying directly to the jury. 751 00:32:06,023 --> 00:32:07,878 Ms. Conway, if you do not stop 752 00:32:07,962 --> 00:32:09,416 and allow the witness to answer, 753 00:32:09,500 --> 00:32:11,722 I will find you in contempt of court. 754 00:32:11,806 --> 00:32:13,708 That's all right, Your Honor. 755 00:32:14,220 --> 00:32:15,533 My apologies, Your Honor. 756 00:32:15,617 --> 00:32:17,466 I'll just withdraw the question. 757 00:32:19,540 --> 00:32:21,356 And I have no more questions. 758 00:32:32,784 --> 00:32:35,536 Well, that's a terrific closing argument, Benny. 759 00:32:37,584 --> 00:32:39,208 It's beautiful, actually. 760 00:32:40,459 --> 00:32:44,083 So you think it'll make a damn bit of difference? 761 00:32:45,014 --> 00:32:46,419 No, I don't. 762 00:32:51,610 --> 00:32:53,199 I am absolutely certain 763 00:32:53,283 --> 00:32:56,006 we don't have anywhere near a dozen "not guilty" votes, 764 00:32:56,251 --> 00:32:59,231 much less "not guilty by reason of insanity." 765 00:32:59,724 --> 00:33:02,120 And I'm reasonably sure the A.D.A. doesn't have 766 00:33:02,204 --> 00:33:04,123 a dozen jurors who want to send Holly to prison 767 00:33:04,207 --> 00:33:06,005 for the rest of her life, either. 768 00:33:06,144 --> 00:33:08,809 So you think we're looking at a hung jury? 769 00:33:10,687 --> 00:33:12,387 I'm afraid so. 770 00:33:13,290 --> 00:33:15,273 Mr. Colón. Dr. Bull. 771 00:33:15,357 --> 00:33:16,712 Rachel.Ladies. 772 00:33:16,796 --> 00:33:19,127 None of us has a good feeling about any of this. 773 00:33:19,211 --> 00:33:22,315 Well, I'd love to disabuse you of that feeling, but... 774 00:33:22,399 --> 00:33:23,769 I can't. 775 00:33:26,338 --> 00:33:28,216 We ought to head inside. 776 00:33:32,103 --> 00:33:34,105 Let me remind you 777 00:33:34,189 --> 00:33:37,005 of the funeral in which this all began. 778 00:33:37,467 --> 00:33:40,594 The funeral of a young dancer. 779 00:33:40,678 --> 00:33:42,497 17 years old. 780 00:33:43,311 --> 00:33:44,801 Took her own life. 781 00:33:46,292 --> 00:33:48,558 One can only imagine the pain 782 00:33:48,642 --> 00:33:51,380 that must have been inflicted upon this young woman, 783 00:33:51,689 --> 00:33:54,356 to choose death by her own hand. 784 00:33:57,064 --> 00:33:58,997 I mean, how do we make sense of that? 785 00:34:00,063 --> 00:34:01,409 Seems... 786 00:34:01,493 --> 00:34:03,575 beyond comprehension. 787 00:34:05,049 --> 00:34:07,075 But one person understood. 788 00:34:07,163 --> 00:34:09,153 My client understood. 789 00:34:09,352 --> 00:34:11,486 When she saw the young Ballerina 790 00:34:11,570 --> 00:34:13,252 and her old boyfriend on the street 791 00:34:13,336 --> 00:34:15,510 making their way out of a woman's clinic, 792 00:34:15,594 --> 00:34:18,372 she knew instantly what was happening. 793 00:34:19,021 --> 00:34:21,722 You know why? Because it happened to her. 794 00:34:21,806 --> 00:34:24,333 And she knew at that exact moment 795 00:34:24,417 --> 00:34:27,206 that it was gonna keep happening to other young women 796 00:34:27,290 --> 00:34:29,395 unless she put a stop to it. 797 00:34:31,033 --> 00:34:33,192 And that's exactly what she did. 798 00:34:34,690 --> 00:34:36,631 Now, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, 799 00:34:36,715 --> 00:34:40,697 I know some of you may think my client is a criminal. 800 00:34:41,814 --> 00:34:43,278 Well... 801 00:34:44,829 --> 00:34:47,421 I know some people who think she's a hero. 802 00:34:47,798 --> 00:34:51,747 And whatever side of that question you land on, 803 00:34:51,890 --> 00:34:53,848 one thing's undeniable, 804 00:34:54,606 --> 00:34:58,106 and that is, my client's life has been irreparably destroyed. 805 00:34:58,884 --> 00:35:01,109 And there's no reason to think that incarceration 806 00:35:01,193 --> 00:35:04,502 for the rest of her life will do anything other than make 807 00:35:04,586 --> 00:35:07,770 whatever's already been damaged even more so. 808 00:35:09,636 --> 00:35:11,130 So, please... 809 00:35:14,212 --> 00:35:16,739 ...let's give this young woman a chance... 810 00:35:17,651 --> 00:35:20,458 ...at finding the professional help that she needs. 811 00:35:21,953 --> 00:35:26,012 And at helping her forge a future for herself. 812 00:35:27,414 --> 00:35:28,989 Thank you for listening. 813 00:35:35,067 --> 00:35:39,637 Ladies and gentlemen, you may think she's a criminal. 814 00:35:39,846 --> 00:35:42,356 That's what the attorney for the accused just said. 815 00:35:43,009 --> 00:35:45,110 Well, let me clear that up for you. 816 00:35:45,194 --> 00:35:46,786 She is a criminal. 817 00:35:47,094 --> 00:35:50,078 People who shoot people in the back of the head, 818 00:35:50,220 --> 00:35:52,448 in our society, are criminals. 819 00:35:52,532 --> 00:35:54,728 And thank goodness that's the case. 820 00:35:54,812 --> 00:35:58,210 Look, no one's saying that Roger Navarre 821 00:35:58,294 --> 00:35:59,275 was a model citizen. 822 00:35:59,359 --> 00:36:01,691 Clearly, he had a lot of girlfriends, 823 00:36:01,775 --> 00:36:04,880 many of them far younger than he. 824 00:36:05,896 --> 00:36:10,011 But only one of them saw fit to end his life. 825 00:36:10,272 --> 00:36:13,144 Only one of them saw fit to sneak up behind him... 826 00:36:13,228 --> 00:36:16,736 I was with Roger Navarre for a year and a half, 827 00:36:16,820 --> 00:36:19,201 and I drove Holly from Ohio to New York 828 00:36:19,285 --> 00:36:21,857 so she could shoot that monster. Convict me. 829 00:36:21,941 --> 00:36:24,362 Order! We're in the middle of closing arguments. 830 00:36:24,446 --> 00:36:26,151 The court officer will remove this woman... 831 00:36:26,235 --> 00:36:28,331 I was with Roger Navarre for seven months, 832 00:36:28,415 --> 00:36:29,545 and I bought the gun. 833 00:36:29,629 --> 00:36:30,814 Convict me. 834 00:36:30,898 --> 00:36:33,245 Order! I need this court to come to order! 835 00:36:33,329 --> 00:36:35,442 I was with Roger Navarre for almost a year. 836 00:36:35,587 --> 00:36:37,214 I paid for the bullets. 837 00:36:37,298 --> 00:36:38,337 Convict me. 838 00:36:38,421 --> 00:36:40,252 And I was with Roger Navarre for ten months. 839 00:36:40,336 --> 00:36:41,862 I told Holly all about the funeral. 840 00:36:41,946 --> 00:36:43,472 Where it was. When it was. 841 00:36:43,556 --> 00:36:45,494 We're all as responsible as she is. 842 00:36:45,578 --> 00:36:47,845 If you convict Holly, you should convict us, too. 843 00:36:47,929 --> 00:36:50,252 I need these women to be escorted from the courtroom 844 00:36:50,336 --> 00:36:52,026 and held in contempt. 845 00:36:52,110 --> 00:36:54,519 I need the accused to be returned to holding. 846 00:36:54,603 --> 00:36:56,339 And I need the jury to be led back 847 00:36:56,423 --> 00:36:59,058 to the jury room so that I can have a private conversation 848 00:36:59,142 --> 00:37:01,381 with counsel from both sides. 849 00:37:01,478 --> 00:37:04,200 I need this court to come to order! 850 00:37:05,442 --> 00:37:07,569 So, what's your pleasure, Ms. Conway? 851 00:37:07,653 --> 00:37:08,854 The jury is tainted. 852 00:37:08,938 --> 00:37:10,747 Are the People moving for a mistrial? 853 00:37:10,978 --> 00:37:13,463 I need a little time. I need to call the D.A. 854 00:37:13,547 --> 00:37:15,443 May I have 20 minutes? 855 00:37:15,729 --> 00:37:18,588 Take an hour. I'll be in my chambers. 856 00:37:18,672 --> 00:37:20,243 Thank you, Your Honor. 857 00:37:20,327 --> 00:37:23,403 I'll be in the conference room if anyone needs me. 858 00:37:24,997 --> 00:37:26,947 Well, you called it. 859 00:37:27,031 --> 00:37:28,799 Looks like it's gonna be a mistrial. 860 00:37:28,883 --> 00:37:30,410 Maybe. 861 00:37:30,494 --> 00:37:31,997 Maybe not. 862 00:37:34,955 --> 00:37:36,840 This room is being used. 863 00:37:38,530 --> 00:37:40,143 So, what's the verdict? 864 00:37:40,227 --> 00:37:42,947 Take a guess. I'm-I'm trying to write the press release now. 865 00:37:44,143 --> 00:37:47,453 Ah, yes, so, the D.A. wants a mistrial, right? 866 00:37:47,537 --> 00:37:48,819 Eh, why not? 867 00:37:48,903 --> 00:37:51,323 Another year, who's gonna complain 868 00:37:51,407 --> 00:37:53,847 that an accused killer is staying behind bars 869 00:37:53,931 --> 00:37:55,864 even though there's been no verdict rendered? 870 00:37:56,898 --> 00:37:59,590 Is there anything else? 'Cause I'm really busy. 871 00:37:59,674 --> 00:38:02,136 Yeah, actually, there's one more thing. 872 00:38:02,310 --> 00:38:05,076 And I only mention this because you're really good. 873 00:38:05,438 --> 00:38:06,807 You're very impressive. 874 00:38:06,891 --> 00:38:08,926 I've watched you work twice now, 875 00:38:09,432 --> 00:38:11,760 and you've got what it takes. 876 00:38:12,602 --> 00:38:14,215 Okay. 877 00:38:14,994 --> 00:38:17,114 Nobody knows your name. 878 00:38:19,056 --> 00:38:21,809 You didn't come all this way for a mistrial. 879 00:38:22,636 --> 00:38:24,450 I know you're ambitious. 880 00:38:24,585 --> 00:38:26,547 I know you've got big plans. 881 00:38:26,631 --> 00:38:29,421 Maybe city attorney. Maybe mayor. 882 00:38:29,505 --> 00:38:31,244 Where are you going with this conversation? 883 00:38:31,328 --> 00:38:33,456 Every challenge is a hidden opportunity. 884 00:38:33,540 --> 00:38:35,183 Okay, you know, I-I hear you selling, 885 00:38:35,267 --> 00:38:37,111 but I have no freaking idea what the product is. 886 00:38:37,195 --> 00:38:40,028 Four women stood up in court today and said, "I did it, too." 887 00:38:40,112 --> 00:38:41,984 How long you think that's gonna stay secret? 888 00:38:42,196 --> 00:38:44,923 Well, the truth is that only one woman is responsible 889 00:38:45,007 --> 00:38:46,666 for the death of Roger Navarre. 890 00:38:46,750 --> 00:38:48,145 The truth. 891 00:38:49,211 --> 00:38:51,652 The truth is, Roger Navarre ruined lives, 892 00:38:51,736 --> 00:38:54,046 and he was poised to ruin many more. 893 00:38:54,130 --> 00:38:55,614 He was a very bad man, 894 00:38:55,698 --> 00:38:57,604 and there are a lot of men out there just like him. 895 00:38:57,688 --> 00:39:00,840 Women know the truth. You know the truth. 896 00:39:01,884 --> 00:39:03,569 You're the prosecuting attorney, 897 00:39:03,653 --> 00:39:05,354 and you've just been handed a do-over. 898 00:39:05,438 --> 00:39:08,030 Don't you think, knowing what you know... 899 00:39:08,728 --> 00:39:10,576 this would be a good time to listen to your heart 900 00:39:10,660 --> 00:39:12,596 instead of your boss? 901 00:39:16,579 --> 00:39:18,051 Do the right thing. 902 00:39:18,362 --> 00:39:20,551 And, as an added benefit, 903 00:39:21,076 --> 00:39:23,083 you make a little noise for yourself. 904 00:39:32,290 --> 00:39:35,340 Due to a series of outbursts in the courtroom today, 905 00:39:35,424 --> 00:39:37,820 a mistrial has been declared in the matter 906 00:39:37,904 --> 00:39:40,309 of The People v. Holly Kerrigan. 907 00:39:40,559 --> 00:39:43,650 I want you to know that, as the prosecuting attorney, 908 00:39:43,734 --> 00:39:47,542 I've elected not to retry this case at this time, 909 00:39:47,626 --> 00:39:49,615 and have agreed to allow Ms. Kerrigan, 910 00:39:49,699 --> 00:39:51,408 subject to psychiatric evaluation 911 00:39:51,492 --> 00:39:53,562 and a willingness to enter pretrial probation, 912 00:39:53,703 --> 00:39:55,773 to serve no jail time. 913 00:39:55,884 --> 00:39:58,450 This will spare the People both the cost of a new trial 914 00:39:58,534 --> 00:40:01,182 and the expense of Ms. Kerrigan's incarceration 915 00:40:01,266 --> 00:40:03,467 until such time as that trial begins. 916 00:40:03,821 --> 00:40:04,925 To be clear, 917 00:40:05,009 --> 00:40:09,317 while I do not condone Ms. Kerrigan's actions... 918 00:40:10,834 --> 00:40:13,900 ...it became apparent over the course of the trial 919 00:40:13,984 --> 00:40:16,549 that her victim, Mr. Navarre, 920 00:40:16,633 --> 00:40:20,403 was, in fact, an extremely dangerous predator. 921 00:40:20,991 --> 00:40:23,649 The kind of man who takes pleasure 922 00:40:23,733 --> 00:40:27,497 in laying waste to young women's lives and futures. 923 00:40:27,958 --> 00:40:32,308 And while that does not excuse what happened here, 924 00:40:32,392 --> 00:40:35,878 it does provide context for Ms. Kerrigan's actions 925 00:40:35,962 --> 00:40:38,833 that we were heretofore unaware of. 926 00:40:40,898 --> 00:40:42,576 And for those of you 927 00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:46,536 who have never met a man like Roger Navarre... 928 00:40:47,624 --> 00:40:49,762 just ask your wives... 929 00:40:50,632 --> 00:40:52,122 your daughters... 930 00:40:52,916 --> 00:40:54,551 your mothers... 931 00:40:55,417 --> 00:40:56,926 your girlfriends. 932 00:40:58,131 --> 00:41:01,270 I'm reasonably certain that they have. 933 00:41:03,864 --> 00:41:06,528 I'm Assistant District Attorney Whitney Conway. 934 00:41:06,612 --> 00:41:08,676 Thanks for your attention. 935 00:41:21,266 --> 00:41:23,074 Captioning sponsored by CBS 936 00:41:23,158 --> 00:41:25,318 Captioned by Media Access Group at WGBH access.wgbh.org 937 00:41:25,402 --> 00:41:27,554 Sync corrections by srjanapala 69784

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