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Ms. Kerrigan?
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Ms. Kerrigan,
can you hear me?
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Ms. Kerrigan, we need
you to wake up and focus.
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You're gonna have
some visitors soon.
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We need to talk
before that happens.
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You tried to
kill yourself.
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And before that,
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you killed a man
named Roger Navarre
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in front of a lot of people.
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Do you remember that?
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You're in New York
Sacred Heart Hospital.
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You've also been charged
with first-degree murder.
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Guards are posted
outside the door,
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and, well,
they're gonna keep you here
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until they're reasonably certain
that you won't harm yourself,
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and then transfer
you to a prison.
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And who are the
two of you?
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My name's Dr. Jason Bull,
I'm a psychologist.
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This is Benjamin Colón,
and he is an attorney.
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The Women's Coalition
of Manhattan asked us
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to come and meet you,
see if you were interested
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in having us
represent you.
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They have a fund
for this kind of thing.
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Is that okay with you?
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The D.A. and a judge
are on their way over.
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They're gonna hold
an arraignment
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here in your hospital room.
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I don't know what that is.
I don't know what that means.
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Well, an arraignment
is a kind of court proceeding.
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It's where you'll
formally be advised
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of the charges against you,
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which, we mentioned,
are first-degree murder.
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They'll also ask you
to enter a plea.
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Well, that's easy.
I'm guilty.
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We didn't ask
if you were guilty,
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we asked what your plea
would be.
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The only answer to that
question is: "Not guilty."
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Otherwise there is no point
in going through this exercise.
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Well, that's fine with me.
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Let's not go through
the exercise.
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I did it. Okay?
I'm absolutely guilty.
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Hang me, give me the electric
chair, give me the needle.
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Whatever it is that they do,
I don't care.
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I just want them to do it to me.
Quickly as possible, please.
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Did you know the man?
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Of course.
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Forgive me,
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but why did you choose
to do it at a funeral?
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Did you know the girl?
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No, but he did.
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Roger Navarre?
The hedge fund king?
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The philanthropist?
The man you killed?
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You are aware of how
the girl died, aren't you?
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That she killed herself?
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I'm very aware. And jealous.
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Okay. Let's start
at the beginning.
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How did you and Roger Navarre
even meet?
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When I was 14, my dance school
in Ohio had auditions,
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and I won a spot
at the Manhattan Ballet Academy.
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But unfortunately, my family
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didn't have the money
to send me.
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I was about to give up hope
of ever going
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when Roger Navarre called.
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He said he had seen my tape,
he'd seen me dance,
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and he wanted to bring me
to New York.
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To pay my tuition and find
a place for me to live.
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The first year and a half
was magical.
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I loved New York,
I loved the school.
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The night before I went
back home
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for Christmas break,
Roger called.
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He said he wanted
to take me to dinner
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and celebrate my success
at the institute.
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It was an amazing restaurant.
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Amazing food, an amazing night.
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Oh, boy.
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I messed up.
I have a holiday party
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I'm supposed to have been at
a half hour ago.
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Wait. You don't mean
you have to leave, do you?
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Yeah, I kind of do.
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It's a Broadway thing.
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I invest in a lot of shows.
It's important that I say hi.
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I'd invite you
to come along, but...
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Are they proofing people
at the door?
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You know, I'm not
as young as I look.
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The closer we got to the party,
the more nervous I became.
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I started to have this feeling
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that maybe I had made
the wrong choice.
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Maybe he was right,
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maybe this wasn't the type
of party I should go to.
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You all right? You
don't have to go.
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Oh, I...
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No, I-I guess
I'm just a little anxious.
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What are you doing?
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Why are you taking that?
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You're not nervous, are you?
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Actually, I am.
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I'm with you.
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What are you talking about?
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You ever looked
in the mirror?
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It was the
best night of my life.
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The next day, I went back
to Ohio for Christmas break,
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but all I could think about
was New York.
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All I could think about
was Roger.
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I was in love.
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But the man was
twice your age, wasn't he?
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Yeah. I guess.
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Or I was half of his.
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I don't know.
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That's not
what it was about.
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So, you went home
for Christmas.
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We talked every day
on the phone.
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And the second I got back
to New York,
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I went straight to his apartment
instead of mine.
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I stayed there for two days.
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Would it be fair to say, at
that point, you were a couple?
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I certainly thought so.
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He would take me
to the ballet.
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He taught me about wine,
bought me beautiful gifts.
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He even got me a passport
and flew me to Paris.
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And that pill you took.
Were there more of those?
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All the time.
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I know it seems like
I should have known better,
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but he was just so charming,
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and... I was living the life
I always dreamed of living.
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What's that?
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Don't worry about that.
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He knew just what to do.
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Had it all figured out.
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He walked me to my appointment.
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Everyone said it would be
over pretty quickly
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and then it wasn't.
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They told me
I would have to rest
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in bed for three to four weeks,
which meant I couldn't dance.
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It was the end
of the school year,
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when they have
all the performances, and...
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I couldn't dance.
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So,
of course the school calls
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and tells me I'm not invited
back next year.
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It was heartbreaking.
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Everything I...
had worked for, dreamed for,
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all of it was being taken away.
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So what'd you do?
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I went to Roger for help.
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But he said
his hands were tied.
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The school wasn't his,
there wasn't anything he could do.
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So I packed my bags,
went back to Ohio.
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Went back to high school.
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I drank a lot,
drugged a lot.
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Got a job as a hostess
in Cincinnati
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and I never heard
from him again.
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But here you are,
back in New York.
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But here I am...
back in New York.
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About a year ago
I started having pain...
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down there.
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Turns out it was a complication
from the procedure, um,
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scar tissue.
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Something called
Asherman's syndrome.
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It's...
very expensive to fix.
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So I called the doctor; He told
me to come back to New York,
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let him have a look at it,
see if he could correct it.
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I got on a bus,
stayed at a hotel.
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And the morning
of my doctor's appointment,
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I go to the office.
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And I'm about to give
the receptionist my name
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when I see something.
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Behind her,
I suddenly realized
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that I can see into this
private office space.
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And at first I think
I'm seeing things.
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Beyond her through
the open door, there's Roger.
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Just sitting there,
looking like a nervous puppy
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and I'm thinking to myself,
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what's he doing
at a women's health practice?
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And after my appointment,
I waited across the street
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for him to leave so I could
get a better look
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and... I saw he was with her.
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I'm sorry.
He was with who?
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Emily. The girl
who killed herself.
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Ah.
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So were you jealous?
Is that what this was all about?
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No, I was enraged.
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I knew exactly why
he brought her there.
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I could see the shame
written all over her face.
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It was history repeating itself.
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I realized we were in a cycle.
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He used us both,
he was done with us both,
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and this is how
he cleaned up his mess.
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So, on the bus back to Ohio,
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I did something
I hadn't done in four years.
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I looked him up online.
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I never wanted to know
if he had replaced me
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with someone else, but...
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suddenly I was obsessed.
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And it turns out
I was only one girl.
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It was at least
four other girls,
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all the same pattern, all with
him for six months to a year.
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And then the girls,
the ones he would sponsor,
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would suddenly
drop out of school,
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never to be heard of again,
just...
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another girl who tried to make
it in New York and couldn't.
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Another sweet young thing
who hit her "sell by" date.
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Then I, um,
read that
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Emily killed herself.
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And I knew he would
go to the funeral.
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It's the district
attorney and Judge Hopkins.
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May we come in?
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So, here we go, Holly.
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When they ask the question, you
know what you have to answer.
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I'm guilty as hell.
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And proud of it.
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*BULL (2016)*
Season 05 Episode 13
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Episode Title: "Law of the Jungle"
Aired on: April 26, 2021
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This is Rachel Carter.
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She is two years older
than Holly,
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but she pretty much had
the same experience.
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Here on scholarships
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sponsored by Navarre.
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Began a consensual affair,
though it was
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technically illegal
in the eyes of the law
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because she was just 16.
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- He get her pregnant?
- Certainly did.
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Rachel explained
he wasn't a fan of protection,
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and he was adamant
that the pill was poison.
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How incredibly selfless of him.
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What a guy.
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Is she willing to talk to us?
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And does she know any
other girls he was involved with?
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Yes and yes.
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Marissa said
you wanted to see us?
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Yeah. Hey, guys.
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I think I may have come up
with a defense.
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Hmm.
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Defense of others.
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Oh.
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Okay.
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I can't, for the life of me,
see how that applies here.
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Uh, I second that.
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Well, there were other girls.
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We march them
through the courtroom
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and we let them
tell their stories.
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She did it for all of them.
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In defense of others.
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Oh, come on, Bull.
You know that's not
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what defense of others means.
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We have
no one to defend here.
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And that other victim was dead,
lying in a coffin.
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Yeah, and the other girls
that you're speaking about,
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they were presumably no
longer involved with him.
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There was no need
to defend them.
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Ha. You call yourselves lawyers.
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The reason there are judges,
the reason there are courts,
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is because the law,
to be effective,
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must be a living thing.
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Each case is its own creature.
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And that is why
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it has to be interpreted,
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not simply referenced
and then applied.
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Now, I want to file
a motion in limine
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and ask that judge
for permission
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to put those other girls
on the stand.
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Your Honor, in the matter
of The People v. Holly Kerrigan,
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we contend that Holly Kerrigan
killed Roger Navarre
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to prevent greater harm.
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We believe, in fact,
that she was acting
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in defense of others.
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Now,
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in order for us
to support this claim,
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we are asking for the court's
permission to call
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several of Roger Navarre's
scholarship students.
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Now, they will testify
that the late Mr. Navarre
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was involved in
a systematic pattern of seducing
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and in many cases impregnating
young women he sponsored
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at a variety of art institutions
here in New York.
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15-year-olds, 16-year-olds
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upending their lives
and destroying their futures.
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Doing irreparable harm
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to their physical
and mental health.
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A.D.A. Conway,
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your thoughts?
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Your Honor.
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The People don't dispute
the fact
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that Roger Navarre
may have been a predator.
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But that alone does not
give Ms. Kerrigan license
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to gun him down
in a church full of mourners.
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These women's
experiences
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are irrelevant
to the crime
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Ms. Kerrigan is accused of.
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In fact, we strongly doubt
that Ms. Kerrigan
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has ever even met
these women before.
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And that is why the People
strongly urge the court
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to deny the defendant's motion.
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Before I make my ruling,
I'd like to hear
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from at least
one of these women.
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Would you
please tell the court
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your name?
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My name is Rachel Carter.
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And what is your connection
to Roger Navarre?
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Well, I had a number
of connections to Mr. Navarre.
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I first met him when I applied
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to the Manhattan Institute
of Ballet.
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He saw a tape
of my audition,
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heard I'd been accepted,
and then reached out to me
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and offered to help
with expenses.
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I was very grateful.
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And then, over time,
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00:14:14,931 --> 00:14:18,220
the relationship
became more personal.
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Romantic?
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00:14:20,188 --> 00:14:21,878
I believed so at the time.
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00:14:21,962 --> 00:14:24,424
Looking back,
from Roger's point of view,
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I'm sure it was
fundamentally sexual.
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00:14:27,619 --> 00:14:30,006
Now, let's start
from the beginning.
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00:14:30,275 --> 00:14:34,035
When Roger Navarre first
reached out, you were how old?
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I was 14 years old.
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Okay, and then
you moved to New York,
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and about how long
before the nature
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00:14:41,314 --> 00:14:43,256
of the relationship changed?
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About a year and a half.
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He called me one night,
asked if I'd ever been to an opera.
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I, of course, had not.
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Not many operas pass through
Chaney, Texas, where I'm from.
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00:14:53,962 --> 00:14:56,878
And opera tickets here
in New York are very pricey.
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00:14:56,962 --> 00:14:59,203
And you went to Lincoln Center
and saw what?
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Flew on his private jet
to San Francisco
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to see La bohème.
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Wow.
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00:15:05,995 --> 00:15:08,805
So, did the relationship
change that night?
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I wanted it to.
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00:15:12,092 --> 00:15:16,491
I was so consumed
by all of it. By him.
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00:15:16,575 --> 00:15:18,929
But no.
He really took
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00:15:19,013 --> 00:15:21,500
his time. Really won my trust.
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00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:25,829
I think he wanted me to believe
it was all my idea.
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00:15:26,628 --> 00:15:29,821
I had never been with anyone
at that point in my life.
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00:15:30,397 --> 00:15:33,102
Anyway,
it was about two months later.
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00:15:33,186 --> 00:15:34,583
We were on a boat,
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00:15:34,667 --> 00:15:37,375
a sailboat that belonged
to a friend of his,
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00:15:38,118 --> 00:15:40,210
out in the middle of the ocean.
336
00:15:40,294 --> 00:15:43,039
I had never done
anything like that.
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00:15:43,123 --> 00:15:45,563
Everywhere you looked,
you only saw water.
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00:15:45,647 --> 00:15:47,565
No land.
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00:15:47,649 --> 00:15:49,946
I found it very freeing.
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I'll let you
figure out the rest.
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00:15:52,856 --> 00:15:54,688
And was there alcohol involved?
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Yes.
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And drugs? Yes.
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And you were how old
at this point?
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16.And when
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00:16:01,272 --> 00:16:03,712
the two of you had sex,
did he use protection?
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00:16:03,796 --> 00:16:05,105
He didn't like that.
348
00:16:05,189 --> 00:16:07,172
So, what happened?
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00:16:07,409 --> 00:16:09,214
How did it end?
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Little less than a year later,
I got pregnant.
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00:16:14,870 --> 00:16:17,107
He said he'd take care
of the whole thing,
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00:16:17,191 --> 00:16:19,280
be with me the whole time.
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00:16:19,604 --> 00:16:21,349
Truth is...
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00:16:21,433 --> 00:16:22,800
Truth was
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00:16:22,884 --> 00:16:25,210
I didn't want it
to be taken care of.
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00:16:25,324 --> 00:16:27,856
I had this crazy teenaged idea
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00:16:27,940 --> 00:16:30,803
that we'd get married
and travel the world.
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00:16:30,887 --> 00:16:32,883
Just keep doing
what we were doing,
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00:16:32,967 --> 00:16:36,057
except I wouldn't be in school,
and we'd have this baby.
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00:16:36,853 --> 00:16:38,682
Made perfect sense to me.
361
00:16:38,832 --> 00:16:40,270
Really freaked him out.
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00:16:40,354 --> 00:16:42,055
He said no.
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00:16:42,139 --> 00:16:43,926
It had to be taken care of.
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00:16:44,010 --> 00:16:47,342
Two weeks later, I...
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00:16:47,628 --> 00:16:48,805
get a letter
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00:16:48,972 --> 00:16:52,712
explaining that his "assistance"
had run its course.
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00:16:52,796 --> 00:16:55,503
That I was free to apply
to other benefactors
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00:16:55,587 --> 00:16:57,175
should I so choose
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00:16:57,328 --> 00:16:59,942
but that his assistance
was no longer available to me.
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00:17:00,026 --> 00:17:01,509
So what did you do?
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00:17:01,593 --> 00:17:04,555
I withdrew from school.
Got a place of my own.
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00:17:04,639 --> 00:17:06,079
Got a job dancing.
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00:17:06,163 --> 00:17:07,732
Dancing?
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00:17:07,816 --> 00:17:11,127
I lied about my age,
got a job dancing.
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00:17:11,211 --> 00:17:13,738
Topless. Then nude.
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00:17:13,822 --> 00:17:16,524
Now I do photography
and modeling.
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00:17:16,608 --> 00:17:18,787
Adult modeling.
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00:17:18,871 --> 00:17:21,007
I see. Thank you.
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00:17:21,091 --> 00:17:22,856
No further questions,
Your Honor.
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00:17:23,243 --> 00:17:25,054
Here comes
the moment of truth.
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00:17:25,138 --> 00:17:26,642
Thank you, Ms. Carter,
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00:17:26,847 --> 00:17:29,524
for telling the court
your story.
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00:17:31,057 --> 00:17:32,496
Your Honor,
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00:17:32,580 --> 00:17:36,326
we're all sorry
for what happened to Ms. Carter.
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00:17:36,410 --> 00:17:38,981
And I understand
that the defense
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00:17:39,065 --> 00:17:40,678
has lined up
additional witnesses
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00:17:40,762 --> 00:17:42,702
with similar accounts.
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00:17:42,818 --> 00:17:46,445
But the fact remains
that none of this is relevant.
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00:17:46,724 --> 00:17:48,367
Moreover,
its probative value
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00:17:48,451 --> 00:17:50,036
is far outweighed
by the prejudicial effect
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00:17:50,120 --> 00:17:51,756
it would have on the jury.
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00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:53,300
This kind of evidence,
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00:17:53,384 --> 00:17:55,563
these kinds of witnesses
need to be excluded.
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00:17:55,647 --> 00:17:57,391
Your Honor,
with all due respect...
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00:17:57,475 --> 00:17:58,566
While I am not
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00:17:58,650 --> 00:18:00,827
unsympathetic to the facts,
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00:18:01,261 --> 00:18:04,007
I have to make my ruling
based on the law.
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00:18:04,314 --> 00:18:07,238
And the law agrees
with A.D.A. Conway.
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00:18:07,620 --> 00:18:09,533
We're not here
to judge whether
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00:18:09,617 --> 00:18:12,058
the late Mr. Navarre
was an honorable man
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00:18:12,142 --> 00:18:13,885
or not. We are here
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00:18:13,969 --> 00:18:17,388
to decide whether Ms. Kerrigan
acted in defense of others.
403
00:18:17,886 --> 00:18:20,066
And there is nothing
in the testimony that I heard
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00:18:20,150 --> 00:18:21,856
that suggests that is the case.
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00:18:21,940 --> 00:18:25,520
And for that reason,
your motion in limine is denied.
406
00:18:44,923 --> 00:18:46,570
It's not really all that bad.
407
00:18:46,654 --> 00:18:47,854
Yeah, it is.
408
00:18:48,361 --> 00:18:50,151
- Yeah, it is.
- Okay.
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00:18:50,235 --> 00:18:51,338
I asked
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00:18:51,422 --> 00:18:52,924
Marissa to reach out
to all the women
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00:18:53,008 --> 00:18:54,276
who were involved
with Roger Navarre,
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00:18:54,360 --> 00:18:57,144
see if they would be available
to sit in court
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00:18:57,228 --> 00:18:58,756
once the trial begins.
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00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:00,802
But it's COVID.
No public allowed.Yes.
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00:19:00,886 --> 00:19:02,978
I know. And I am gonna go
to the judge,
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00:19:03,062 --> 00:19:04,458
and I'm gonna make
a special plea.
417
00:19:04,542 --> 00:19:06,960
Since these women
were not allowed to testify,
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00:19:07,072 --> 00:19:09,158
they should at least be allowed
to witness the trial.
419
00:19:09,242 --> 00:19:10,768
The trial
of a woman who suffered
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00:19:10,852 --> 00:19:12,640
at the hands
of the same man they did.
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00:19:12,724 --> 00:19:16,681
And I will argue it will help
their mental well-being.
422
00:19:16,904 --> 00:19:18,625
That's awfully nice of you.
423
00:19:18,709 --> 00:19:21,170
Going to bat with the judge
to make that happen.
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00:19:21,254 --> 00:19:22,883
There's nothing nice
about it.
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00:19:22,967 --> 00:19:24,521
I want them sitting
in that gallery.
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00:19:24,605 --> 00:19:26,306
I want the jury
wondering about them.
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00:19:26,390 --> 00:19:27,969
And I want you
to find a moment
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00:19:28,053 --> 00:19:30,102
to point them out,
to indicate
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00:19:30,186 --> 00:19:34,270
that they went through
the same version of hell
430
00:19:34,354 --> 00:19:35,861
that Holly went through.
431
00:19:36,010 --> 00:19:38,622
Agent Sturgeon,
when did Ms. Kerrigan
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00:19:38,706 --> 00:19:40,734
come to the FBI offices
to meet with you?
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00:19:40,818 --> 00:19:42,650
Holly Kerrigan
first came to meet me
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00:19:42,734 --> 00:19:44,435
a little over a year ago.
435
00:19:44,519 --> 00:19:46,372
And what was the purpose
of that visit?
436
00:19:46,497 --> 00:19:47,936
She alleged that Roger Navarre
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00:19:48,020 --> 00:19:49,894
had committed statutory rape
on her person
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00:19:49,978 --> 00:19:52,419
and, additionally,
had provided illegal substances
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00:19:52,503 --> 00:19:53,898
to a minor... her...
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00:19:53,982 --> 00:19:55,422
Over a period
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00:19:55,506 --> 00:19:57,076
of about 18 months.
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00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,034
And what did
you do with that information?
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00:19:59,118 --> 00:20:00,514
Well, I opened
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00:20:00,598 --> 00:20:02,516
a case file, started
looking into Mr. Navarre.
445
00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:04,648
Tried to determine
if there was any truth
446
00:20:04,732 --> 00:20:06,433
to what Ms. Kerrigan alleged.
447
00:20:06,517 --> 00:20:08,261
And opening up a case file,
448
00:20:08,345 --> 00:20:11,829
looking into someone
like Roger Navarre,
449
00:20:11,913 --> 00:20:14,484
can you tell us
what that entails?
450
00:20:14,568 --> 00:20:15,964
Let me be clear.
451
00:20:16,048 --> 00:20:18,532
We didn't take
these allegations lightly.
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00:20:18,616 --> 00:20:21,361
But investigations like this
453
00:20:21,445 --> 00:20:24,777
can go on for months,
sometimes years.
454
00:20:24,995 --> 00:20:27,280
You have to make sure you have
all of your ducks in a row
455
00:20:27,364 --> 00:20:29,238
before you start
indicting people,
456
00:20:29,322 --> 00:20:31,371
particularly people
as well-connected
457
00:20:31,455 --> 00:20:32,959
as Roger Navarre.
458
00:20:33,354 --> 00:20:34,591
And did the defendant
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00:20:34,675 --> 00:20:36,636
continue to communicate
with you?
460
00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,095
Yes, we spoke
on a number of occasions.
461
00:20:39,768 --> 00:20:41,192
She would call and email
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00:20:41,276 --> 00:20:42,527
from Ohio.
463
00:20:42,611 --> 00:20:45,705
And what was the purpose
of these calls and emails?
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00:20:45,789 --> 00:20:48,338
Did she have additional
information to offer
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00:20:48,472 --> 00:20:50,520
about Roger Navarre?
466
00:20:50,604 --> 00:20:52,261
It's-it's my understanding that,
467
00:20:52,345 --> 00:20:54,524
at that point, they were
no longer communicating.
468
00:20:54,608 --> 00:20:56,700
Not for years.
469
00:20:56,784 --> 00:20:58,746
No, the purpose
of these calls and emails
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00:20:58,830 --> 00:21:00,661
was primarily to express
her impatience
471
00:21:00,745 --> 00:21:02,097
with the investigation.
472
00:21:02,181 --> 00:21:04,839
Her frustration
with the process.
473
00:21:04,923 --> 00:21:08,147
And, I suppose,
her frustration with me.
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00:21:08,231 --> 00:21:11,193
So were you surprised
475
00:21:11,277 --> 00:21:13,500
when she took matters
into her own hands?
476
00:21:13,584 --> 00:21:14,805
No.
477
00:21:14,889 --> 00:21:16,024
Not entirely.
478
00:21:16,108 --> 00:21:17,702
Thank you, Agent Sturgeon.
479
00:21:17,786 --> 00:21:19,592
No further questions.
480
00:21:27,162 --> 00:21:28,742
Good morning,
Agent Sturgeon.
481
00:21:28,826 --> 00:21:29,918
Good morning.
482
00:21:30,002 --> 00:21:31,800
Now, point in fact,
483
00:21:31,884 --> 00:21:34,369
my client Holly Kerrigan
wasn't the only person
484
00:21:34,453 --> 00:21:37,335
that came to see you
about Roger Navarre, was she?
485
00:21:37,419 --> 00:21:39,019
I believe it's time
for an objection.
486
00:21:39,103 --> 00:21:40,544
Objection, Your Honor!
487
00:21:40,628 --> 00:21:41,937
Relevance?
488
00:21:42,021 --> 00:21:43,399
Your Honor,
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00:21:43,483 --> 00:21:45,140
it's the A.D.A.
who called the witness
490
00:21:45,224 --> 00:21:47,335
and opened the door
to the fact that the FBI
491
00:21:47,419 --> 00:21:50,475
opened up an investigation
on Roger Navarre.
492
00:21:50,559 --> 00:21:52,424
Objection overruled.
493
00:21:52,693 --> 00:21:54,815
The witness will answer
the question.
494
00:21:55,341 --> 00:21:57,239
I'm sorry,
what was the question?
495
00:21:57,323 --> 00:21:59,154
Well, let me refresh
your memory.
496
00:21:59,238 --> 00:22:01,722
I was asking
if my client, Holly Kerrigan,
497
00:22:01,806 --> 00:22:04,290
was the only person
who came to the Bureau
498
00:22:04,374 --> 00:22:05,962
about Roger Navarre?
499
00:22:06,811 --> 00:22:08,315
No, she was not.
500
00:22:08,436 --> 00:22:10,774
No, in fact, a
number of other women
501
00:22:10,858 --> 00:22:13,255
came to see you personally
to file
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00:22:13,339 --> 00:22:15,649
similar complaints
against Mr. Navarre.
503
00:22:15,733 --> 00:22:17,237
Isn't that correct?
504
00:22:17,679 --> 00:22:19,159
Yes, that's correct.
505
00:22:19,413 --> 00:22:21,220
And I know
they are wearing masks,
506
00:22:21,304 --> 00:22:23,613
but perhaps you
can point out, uh,
507
00:22:23,697 --> 00:22:25,734
the ones that you have spoken
to in the past?
508
00:22:25,818 --> 00:22:27,694
Again, Your
Honor, what is the relevance
509
00:22:27,778 --> 00:22:29,175
of this line
of questioning?
510
00:22:29,259 --> 00:22:31,004
It sounds to me like
the defense is intentionally
511
00:22:31,088 --> 00:22:33,057
making a mockery
of your earlier order
512
00:22:33,141 --> 00:22:35,031
not to hear testimony from
anyone who may have been
513
00:22:35,115 --> 00:22:36,947
involved
with the late Mr. Navarre.
514
00:22:37,031 --> 00:22:38,646
My goodness,
A.D.A. Conway
515
00:22:38,730 --> 00:22:39,890
has quite a temper.
516
00:22:39,974 --> 00:22:41,900
Objection sustained.
517
00:22:41,984 --> 00:22:44,991
The jury will disregard any
remarks regarding the women
518
00:22:45,075 --> 00:22:46,536
seated in the gallery.
519
00:22:46,952 --> 00:22:48,812
And I'm putting
the defense on notice.
520
00:22:48,896 --> 00:22:50,727
Any further shenanigans
of this type,
521
00:22:50,811 --> 00:22:52,109
and I will rescind
522
00:22:52,193 --> 00:22:54,263
my invitation
to these observers.
523
00:22:54,554 --> 00:22:56,015
Am I clear?
524
00:22:56,350 --> 00:22:57,865
Very clear, Your Honor.
525
00:22:57,949 --> 00:23:00,134
Any more questions
for the witness?
526
00:23:00,218 --> 00:23:01,612
No, Your Honor.
527
00:23:03,163 --> 00:23:05,305
I believe we covered it all.
528
00:23:05,389 --> 00:23:07,414
Yes, I believe we have.
529
00:23:11,764 --> 00:23:13,456
She's all dressed.
530
00:23:20,866 --> 00:23:22,237
Holly, I meant
to ask you this morning,
531
00:23:22,321 --> 00:23:24,158
how was your first night
in prison?
532
00:23:24,242 --> 00:23:26,050
It was fine.
533
00:23:26,194 --> 00:23:28,917
They had me all by myself
and there's cameras.
534
00:23:29,022 --> 00:23:31,651
Nobody wants me to kill myself
when they're not looking.
535
00:23:33,891 --> 00:23:36,541
Holly, there's something I want
you to think about tonight.
536
00:23:38,235 --> 00:23:39,588
You're very good
at telling people that,
537
00:23:39,672 --> 00:23:41,069
without Roger Navarre,
538
00:23:41,153 --> 00:23:42,997
you never would have
come to New York City,
539
00:23:43,081 --> 00:23:45,002
you never would have
learned to dance.
540
00:23:45,461 --> 00:23:48,534
But did it ever occur to you
that, without Roger Navarre...
541
00:23:48,782 --> 00:23:50,588
...you never would
have picked up a gun?
542
00:23:50,703 --> 00:23:52,089
You never would
have shot someone.
543
00:23:52,173 --> 00:23:55,201
You never would have spent
a single night in prison.
544
00:23:56,046 --> 00:23:58,839
If Roger Navarre
had not come
545
00:23:58,923 --> 00:24:02,143
into your life, if he had
not done the things that he did,
546
00:24:02,709 --> 00:24:04,706
your life
would be very different.
547
00:24:05,060 --> 00:24:06,436
And don't you think
that's a point
548
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,010
worth making
to this jury?
549
00:24:08,264 --> 00:24:10,411
Don't you think your own life
is worth fighting for?
550
00:24:11,353 --> 00:24:12,924
Prison van's here.
551
00:24:14,788 --> 00:24:15,793
I'll see you
in the morning.
552
00:24:15,877 --> 00:24:17,416
See you
in the morning, Holly.
553
00:24:27,647 --> 00:24:29,784
Ah.
554
00:24:29,902 --> 00:24:31,306
It's my favorite fiancée.
555
00:24:31,390 --> 00:24:32,710
Hello, my dear.
556
00:24:32,794 --> 00:24:35,266
I'm on my way home.
Your brother says hi.
557
00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:37,573
What do you mean,
your "favorite" fiancée?
558
00:24:37,657 --> 00:24:38,922
You win.
559
00:24:39,006 --> 00:24:40,336
You're not my favorite.
560
00:24:40,420 --> 00:24:42,664
Now I feel bad.
You sound like you're in a good mood.
561
00:24:42,843 --> 00:24:44,347
Why?
What's going on?
562
00:24:44,468 --> 00:24:46,963
I take it that
you haven't seen the news?
563
00:24:47,101 --> 00:24:49,721
I DVR'd something I thought
you'd want to know about.
564
00:24:49,930 --> 00:24:52,016
And in legal news,
turns out
565
00:24:52,100 --> 00:24:54,532
that Holly Kerrigan,
the young woman who shot
566
00:24:54,616 --> 00:24:57,941
and killed billionaire
hedge fund manager Roger Navarre
567
00:24:58,025 --> 00:24:59,665
in front of 30-odd witnesses
568
00:24:59,749 --> 00:25:01,453
at the funeral of a friend,
569
00:25:01,537 --> 00:25:04,110
has a complicated
mental health history.
570
00:25:04,194 --> 00:25:07,099
Investigators for the Manhattan
Daily Journal discovered
571
00:25:07,183 --> 00:25:11,038
that she spent time in no less
than three Ohio mental health
572
00:25:11,122 --> 00:25:13,261
and drug rehabilitation
facilities
573
00:25:13,345 --> 00:25:15,399
prior to her 20th birthday.
574
00:25:16,247 --> 00:25:17,591
Did you get all that?
575
00:25:17,817 --> 00:25:19,941
Yeah. We got it.
576
00:25:20,153 --> 00:25:21,617
All right,
I'll see you in a little bit?
577
00:25:21,701 --> 00:25:23,492
See you in a bit.
578
00:25:24,654 --> 00:25:26,187
Well...
579
00:25:26,271 --> 00:25:27,710
they didn't
waste any time.
580
00:25:27,794 --> 00:25:29,864
You think the D.A.'s office
put that out there?
581
00:25:30,090 --> 00:25:31,997
Please, it's right
from the playbook.
582
00:25:32,114 --> 00:25:34,038
The second we get
a little traction
583
00:25:34,122 --> 00:25:37,602
by having those five previous
victims in the courtroom...
584
00:25:44,825 --> 00:25:47,826
Okay. I think, at this point,
it's safe to assume
585
00:25:47,910 --> 00:25:50,268
the jury knows that
you have spent some time in rehab,
586
00:25:50,352 --> 00:25:52,443
as well as some
other institutions,
587
00:25:52,527 --> 00:25:54,272
because of your
mental health issues.
588
00:25:54,356 --> 00:25:57,383
The depression
and the suicidal thoughts.
589
00:25:57,497 --> 00:25:58,608
Okay.
590
00:25:58,692 --> 00:26:00,613
But isn't that
just more evidence,
591
00:26:00,697 --> 00:26:03,224
more proof that what happened
to me actually happened to me?
592
00:26:03,308 --> 00:26:05,226
Okay, I promise you,
I never would have needed to go
593
00:26:05,310 --> 00:26:07,402
to those places
if I hadn't met Roger Navarre.
594
00:26:07,486 --> 00:26:08,969
Sadly, almost certainly,
595
00:26:09,053 --> 00:26:11,305
the jury isn't gonna
look at it that way.
596
00:26:11,396 --> 00:26:13,728
That's why I want to discuss
a different strategy with you.
597
00:26:15,643 --> 00:26:17,669
We would like
you to consider
598
00:26:17,764 --> 00:26:20,732
allowing us to pursue
an insanity defense.
599
00:26:21,544 --> 00:26:23,182
But I'm not insane.
600
00:26:23,266 --> 00:26:26,516
Okay, killing Roger wasn't
just some crazy, impetuous act.
601
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,667
In some ways, it was
the single most rational thing
602
00:26:28,751 --> 00:26:30,041
I've ever done in my life.
603
00:26:30,125 --> 00:26:32,097
And I don't want to spend the
rest of my life in an asylum.
604
00:26:32,181 --> 00:26:34,208
Or in a prison,
for that matter.
605
00:26:34,548 --> 00:26:36,403
Well, that's good
to hear, Holly.
606
00:26:37,342 --> 00:26:39,322
That sounds like progress.
607
00:26:40,037 --> 00:26:41,825
Sounds like someone
who's starting to care
608
00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:45,724
about what happens to them
the day after the trial is over.
609
00:26:46,699 --> 00:26:47,964
Holly,
610
00:26:48,048 --> 00:26:50,314
choosing to mount
an insanity defense
611
00:26:50,398 --> 00:26:52,307
does not mean
that you're insane.
612
00:26:52,391 --> 00:26:55,929
It only means that you weren't
capable of rational thought,
613
00:26:56,013 --> 00:26:58,279
of understanding the difference
between right and wrong
614
00:26:58,363 --> 00:27:00,542
when you chose
to kill Roger Navarre.
615
00:27:00,626 --> 00:27:02,805
And if the jury decides
to accept our defense
616
00:27:02,889 --> 00:27:04,154
when they deliberate,
617
00:27:04,238 --> 00:27:05,487
it often means,
618
00:27:05,571 --> 00:27:07,636
after a proper examination
619
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,706
and you are found
to be of sound mind,
620
00:27:09,790 --> 00:27:12,027
that you will be free
to live the rest of your life
621
00:27:12,111 --> 00:27:13,263
as a free woman.
622
00:27:14,161 --> 00:27:16,014
What do you think?
623
00:27:16,540 --> 00:27:18,896
I really think
this is the move here.
624
00:27:19,602 --> 00:27:21,998
Now that the prosecution
has rested their case
625
00:27:22,082 --> 00:27:24,653
and the defense is about
to begin presenting theirs,
626
00:27:24,737 --> 00:27:26,935
I've been informed
that Ms. Kerrigan
627
00:27:27,173 --> 00:27:28,527
would like to change her plea
628
00:27:28,611 --> 00:27:30,898
to "not guilty
by reason of insanity."
629
00:27:31,517 --> 00:27:33,096
I need the jury
to understand
630
00:27:33,180 --> 00:27:35,185
that this is simply an added
option when it comes time
631
00:27:35,269 --> 00:27:36,926
to making
a decision.
632
00:27:37,010 --> 00:27:39,059
You can still find
the defendant guilty,
633
00:27:39,143 --> 00:27:40,887
find the defendant innocent,
634
00:27:40,971 --> 00:27:43,367
or, if you feel she meets
the threshold requirements...
635
00:27:43,451 --> 00:27:45,585
Which we will discuss
during deliberations...
636
00:27:45,669 --> 00:27:48,224
Not guilty
by reason of insanity.
637
00:27:48,767 --> 00:27:50,165
All right, then.
638
00:27:50,249 --> 00:27:51,490
Mr. Colón,
639
00:27:51,574 --> 00:27:53,209
you may call
your first witness.
640
00:27:53,361 --> 00:27:54,659
Dr. Diposo,
641
00:27:54,743 --> 00:27:57,786
would you please tell the jury
what it is you do for a living?
642
00:27:58,212 --> 00:28:01,342
I'm what they call
a forensic psychiatrist.
643
00:28:01,426 --> 00:28:03,692
I deal primarily
in the assessment
644
00:28:03,776 --> 00:28:06,390
and treatment
of people in prisons,
645
00:28:06,474 --> 00:28:08,581
people in psychiatric hospitals,
646
00:28:08,665 --> 00:28:11,629
and occasionally individuals
among the general public
647
00:28:11,713 --> 00:28:13,833
who have mental health issues.
648
00:28:13,917 --> 00:28:15,661
And are you familiar
649
00:28:15,745 --> 00:28:16,966
with Holly Kerrigan?
650
00:28:17,050 --> 00:28:18,362
Yes, I am.
651
00:28:18,446 --> 00:28:20,734
In fact, I met with her
personally this morning.
652
00:28:20,837 --> 00:28:23,016
In addition,
I've studied the records
653
00:28:23,100 --> 00:28:24,996
of the crime
of which she's accused.
654
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,363
Transcripts,
police reports,
655
00:28:27,447 --> 00:28:28,913
evidence files.
656
00:28:29,204 --> 00:28:31,981
And have you come to
any opinion
657
00:28:32,065 --> 00:28:34,854
regarding
Ms. Kerrigan's mental health
658
00:28:34,938 --> 00:28:39,143
in the hours, days or even weeks
surrounding the killing?
659
00:28:39,227 --> 00:28:40,624
I have.
660
00:28:40,708 --> 00:28:42,757
Based on everything
that I've reviewed,
661
00:28:42,841 --> 00:28:45,065
it seems fairly obvious
to me
662
00:28:45,149 --> 00:28:46,596
that, prior to the killing,
663
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:51,230
she was suffering
from a profound case of PTSD
664
00:28:51,441 --> 00:28:55,438
stemming from both her
relationship with Mr. Navarre
665
00:28:55,522 --> 00:28:57,441
and its aftermath.
666
00:28:57,525 --> 00:29:00,575
And in the days and weeks
leading up to
667
00:29:00,659 --> 00:29:02,888
and including the killing,
668
00:29:03,254 --> 00:29:08,278
I believe her behavior fits the
legal definition of insanity.
669
00:29:08,362 --> 00:29:11,717
Right. I-It... You
hear about PTSD all the time.
670
00:29:11,801 --> 00:29:13,414
Seems like
it's everywhere.
671
00:29:13,498 --> 00:29:14,763
Is it even real?
672
00:29:14,847 --> 00:29:16,939
Does such a thing
actually exist?
673
00:29:17,023 --> 00:29:19,252
Oh, it absolutely exists.
674
00:29:19,336 --> 00:29:21,038
In fact, it's been recognized
675
00:29:21,122 --> 00:29:23,322
for over a century
under different names.
676
00:29:23,603 --> 00:29:26,732
In World War I,
they called it "shellshock."
677
00:29:26,816 --> 00:29:28,237
In World War II,
678
00:29:28,321 --> 00:29:30,409
they referred to it
as "battle fatigue."
679
00:29:30,493 --> 00:29:31,885
It's all
the same thing.
680
00:29:31,969 --> 00:29:34,508
And it doesn't just happen
to soldiers in combat.
681
00:29:34,837 --> 00:29:36,105
Anyone
who's party to
682
00:29:36,189 --> 00:29:38,838
or witnesses
a traumatic event
683
00:29:38,922 --> 00:29:41,122
is a candidate
for it.
684
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,863
And does PTSD make you
nsane?
685
00:29:43,947 --> 00:29:45,760
No, it does not.
686
00:29:45,844 --> 00:29:49,363
And yet you began your testimony
by stating unequivocally
687
00:29:49,447 --> 00:29:52,148
that Holly Kerrigan
was legally insane.
688
00:29:52,232 --> 00:29:55,282
Or at least she was
in the days or hours
689
00:29:55,366 --> 00:29:57,414
prior to Roger Navarre's death.
690
00:29:57,498 --> 00:29:58,760
I do.
691
00:29:58,844 --> 00:30:00,458
I think a simple review
of the facts
692
00:30:00,542 --> 00:30:02,307
makes that abundantly clear.
693
00:30:02,665 --> 00:30:03,943
How do you mean?
694
00:30:04,027 --> 00:30:05,640
Put aside
whether you believe
695
00:30:05,724 --> 00:30:09,355
the act of murder is the
undertaking of a sane person.
696
00:30:09,439 --> 00:30:11,472
Making a choice
to kill a person
697
00:30:11,556 --> 00:30:14,417
in front of so many witnesses
is not.
698
00:30:14,501 --> 00:30:15,737
Add to that that,
699
00:30:15,821 --> 00:30:17,685
once she pulled the trigger,
700
00:30:17,823 --> 00:30:20,394
she made absolutely no attempt
to flee.
701
00:30:20,478 --> 00:30:21,926
Add to that,
702
00:30:22,010 --> 00:30:24,559
then she tried to kill herself.
703
00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:26,280
That human being,
704
00:30:26,364 --> 00:30:27,706
in that moment,
705
00:30:27,790 --> 00:30:29,185
is not sane.
706
00:30:31,532 --> 00:30:32,849
I see.
707
00:30:33,392 --> 00:30:34,843
Thank you very much.
708
00:30:34,927 --> 00:30:36,844
I have no further questions,
Your Honor.
709
00:30:36,928 --> 00:30:38,586
Dr. Diposo,
710
00:30:38,670 --> 00:30:41,605
you testified
that you met with the accused
711
00:30:41,689 --> 00:30:43,361
for the first time
this morning.
712
00:30:43,445 --> 00:30:44,736
That's correct.
713
00:30:44,820 --> 00:30:46,725
And what time
did that meeting take place?
714
00:30:46,809 --> 00:30:49,140
We started around 10:00 a.m.
715
00:30:49,329 --> 00:30:50,729
And how long did you go?
716
00:30:50,813 --> 00:30:52,708
Little over two hours.
717
00:30:52,931 --> 00:30:56,299
Okay. So,
it's a little after 2:00 now...
718
00:30:56,383 --> 00:30:58,666
45 minutes for lunch...
W... wouldn't you say
719
00:30:58,750 --> 00:31:02,741
that you arrived at your
conclusions rather quickly?
720
00:31:02,825 --> 00:31:06,573
Again, the accused's behavior,
in that moment,
721
00:31:06,657 --> 00:31:07,963
says it all.
722
00:31:08,047 --> 00:31:11,807
No matter how much time
I might have to contemplate,
723
00:31:11,891 --> 00:31:14,611
it wouldn't change
my conclusions.
724
00:31:15,673 --> 00:31:16,994
John Wilkes Booth.
725
00:31:17,129 --> 00:31:18,308
Insane?
726
00:31:18,392 --> 00:31:19,377
Excuse me?
727
00:31:19,461 --> 00:31:21,760
John Wilkes Booth, the man
who shot Abraham Lincoln.
728
00:31:21,844 --> 00:31:24,237
Did it in a theater
full of people.
729
00:31:24,321 --> 00:31:26,852
By your definition,
wouldn't he be insane?
730
00:31:26,936 --> 00:31:29,289
I'm not prepared to render
a decision on that.
731
00:31:29,373 --> 00:31:31,525
I've never met
with Mr. Booth.
732
00:31:31,609 --> 00:31:33,989
Of course not.
And he did try to flee, so...
733
00:31:34,073 --> 00:31:35,164
never mind.
734
00:31:35,248 --> 00:31:36,605
Objection, Your Honor.
735
00:31:36,689 --> 00:31:38,989
Counsel is badgering
the witness.
736
00:31:39,212 --> 00:31:40,269
My apologies, Your Honor.
737
00:31:40,353 --> 00:31:42,541
I'll withdraw the question,
Your Honor.
738
00:31:42,728 --> 00:31:43,917
How about Sirhan Sirhan?
739
00:31:44,001 --> 00:31:45,881
Shot Bobby Kennedy in
a room full of people
740
00:31:45,965 --> 00:31:48,175
in a hotel in Los Angeles...
Insane?
741
00:31:48,836 --> 00:31:49,875
Your Honor...
742
00:31:49,959 --> 00:31:50,919
Ms. Conway!
743
00:31:51,003 --> 00:31:52,635
How about all the terrorists
744
00:31:52,719 --> 00:31:54,768
in all the planes that attacked
this country on 9/11?
745
00:31:54,852 --> 00:31:56,423
Insane? Or impassioned?
746
00:31:56,507 --> 00:31:57,468
Crazy?
Or determined
747
00:31:57,552 --> 00:31:58,842
to do something and willing
748
00:31:58,926 --> 00:32:00,671
- to get it done at any cost?
- Your Honor,
749
00:32:00,755 --> 00:32:03,413
counsel isn't even
addressing the witness.
750
00:32:03,497 --> 00:32:05,939
She is testifying
directly to the jury.
751
00:32:06,023 --> 00:32:07,878
Ms. Conway, if you do not stop
752
00:32:07,962 --> 00:32:09,416
and allow the witness
to answer,
753
00:32:09,500 --> 00:32:11,722
I will find you
in contempt of court.
754
00:32:11,806 --> 00:32:13,708
That's all right, Your Honor.
755
00:32:14,220 --> 00:32:15,533
My apologies, Your Honor.
756
00:32:15,617 --> 00:32:17,466
I'll just withdraw the question.
757
00:32:19,540 --> 00:32:21,356
And I have no more questions.
758
00:32:32,784 --> 00:32:35,536
Well, that's a terrific
closing argument, Benny.
759
00:32:37,584 --> 00:32:39,208
It's beautiful, actually.
760
00:32:40,459 --> 00:32:44,083
So you think it'll make
a damn bit of difference?
761
00:32:45,014 --> 00:32:46,419
No, I don't.
762
00:32:51,610 --> 00:32:53,199
I am absolutely certain
763
00:32:53,283 --> 00:32:56,006
we don't have anywhere near
a dozen "not guilty" votes,
764
00:32:56,251 --> 00:32:59,231
much less "not guilty
by reason of insanity."
765
00:32:59,724 --> 00:33:02,120
And I'm reasonably sure
the A.D.A. doesn't have
766
00:33:02,204 --> 00:33:04,123
a dozen jurors who want
to send Holly to prison
767
00:33:04,207 --> 00:33:06,005
for the rest
of her life, either.
768
00:33:06,144 --> 00:33:08,809
So you think
we're looking at a hung jury?
769
00:33:10,687 --> 00:33:12,387
I'm afraid so.
770
00:33:13,290 --> 00:33:15,273
Mr. Colón.
Dr. Bull.
771
00:33:15,357 --> 00:33:16,712
Rachel.Ladies.
772
00:33:16,796 --> 00:33:19,127
None of us has a good feeling
about any of this.
773
00:33:19,211 --> 00:33:22,315
Well, I'd love to disabuse you
of that feeling, but...
774
00:33:22,399 --> 00:33:23,769
I can't.
775
00:33:26,338 --> 00:33:28,216
We ought to head inside.
776
00:33:32,103 --> 00:33:34,105
Let me remind you
777
00:33:34,189 --> 00:33:37,005
of the funeral
in which this all began.
778
00:33:37,467 --> 00:33:40,594
The funeral
of a young dancer.
779
00:33:40,678 --> 00:33:42,497
17 years old.
780
00:33:43,311 --> 00:33:44,801
Took her own life.
781
00:33:46,292 --> 00:33:48,558
One can only imagine
the pain
782
00:33:48,642 --> 00:33:51,380
that must have been inflicted
upon this young woman,
783
00:33:51,689 --> 00:33:54,356
to choose death
by her own hand.
784
00:33:57,064 --> 00:33:58,997
I mean,
how do we make sense of that?
785
00:34:00,063 --> 00:34:01,409
Seems...
786
00:34:01,493 --> 00:34:03,575
beyond comprehension.
787
00:34:05,049 --> 00:34:07,075
But one person understood.
788
00:34:07,163 --> 00:34:09,153
My client understood.
789
00:34:09,352 --> 00:34:11,486
When she saw
the young Ballerina
790
00:34:11,570 --> 00:34:13,252
and her old boyfriend
on the street
791
00:34:13,336 --> 00:34:15,510
making their way
out of a woman's clinic,
792
00:34:15,594 --> 00:34:18,372
she knew instantly
what was happening.
793
00:34:19,021 --> 00:34:21,722
You know why?
Because it happened to her.
794
00:34:21,806 --> 00:34:24,333
And she knew
at that exact moment
795
00:34:24,417 --> 00:34:27,206
that it was gonna keep happening
to other young women
796
00:34:27,290 --> 00:34:29,395
unless she put a stop to it.
797
00:34:31,033 --> 00:34:33,192
And that's exactly
what she did.
798
00:34:34,690 --> 00:34:36,631
Now, ladies and gentlemen
of the jury,
799
00:34:36,715 --> 00:34:40,697
I know some of you may think
my client is a criminal.
800
00:34:41,814 --> 00:34:43,278
Well...
801
00:34:44,829 --> 00:34:47,421
I know some people
who think she's a hero.
802
00:34:47,798 --> 00:34:51,747
And whatever side
of that question you land on,
803
00:34:51,890 --> 00:34:53,848
one thing's undeniable,
804
00:34:54,606 --> 00:34:58,106
and that is, my client's life
has been irreparably destroyed.
805
00:34:58,884 --> 00:35:01,109
And there's no reason to think
that incarceration
806
00:35:01,193 --> 00:35:04,502
for the rest of her life
will do anything other than make
807
00:35:04,586 --> 00:35:07,770
whatever's already been damaged
even more so.
808
00:35:09,636 --> 00:35:11,130
So, please...
809
00:35:14,212 --> 00:35:16,739
...let's give
this young woman a chance...
810
00:35:17,651 --> 00:35:20,458
...at finding the professional
help that she needs.
811
00:35:21,953 --> 00:35:26,012
And at helping her forge
a future for herself.
812
00:35:27,414 --> 00:35:28,989
Thank you for listening.
813
00:35:35,067 --> 00:35:39,637
Ladies and gentlemen,
you may think she's a criminal.
814
00:35:39,846 --> 00:35:42,356
That's what the attorney
for the accused just said.
815
00:35:43,009 --> 00:35:45,110
Well, let me
clear that up for you.
816
00:35:45,194 --> 00:35:46,786
She is a criminal.
817
00:35:47,094 --> 00:35:50,078
People who shoot people
in the back of the head,
818
00:35:50,220 --> 00:35:52,448
in our society, are criminals.
819
00:35:52,532 --> 00:35:54,728
And thank
goodness that's the case.
820
00:35:54,812 --> 00:35:58,210
Look, no one's saying
that Roger Navarre
821
00:35:58,294 --> 00:35:59,275
was a model citizen.
822
00:35:59,359 --> 00:36:01,691
Clearly,
he had a lot of girlfriends,
823
00:36:01,775 --> 00:36:04,880
many of them
far younger than he.
824
00:36:05,896 --> 00:36:10,011
But only one of them saw fit
to end his life.
825
00:36:10,272 --> 00:36:13,144
Only one of them saw fit
to sneak up behind him...
826
00:36:13,228 --> 00:36:16,736
I was with Roger Navarre
for a year and a half,
827
00:36:16,820 --> 00:36:19,201
and I drove Holly
from Ohio to New York
828
00:36:19,285 --> 00:36:21,857
so she could shoot that monster.
Convict me.
829
00:36:21,941 --> 00:36:24,362
Order! We're in the middle
of closing arguments.
830
00:36:24,446 --> 00:36:26,151
The court officer will
remove this woman...
831
00:36:26,235 --> 00:36:28,331
I was with Roger Navarre
for seven months,
832
00:36:28,415 --> 00:36:29,545
and I bought the gun.
833
00:36:29,629 --> 00:36:30,814
Convict me.
834
00:36:30,898 --> 00:36:33,245
Order! I need this court
to come to order!
835
00:36:33,329 --> 00:36:35,442
I was with Roger Navarre
for almost a year.
836
00:36:35,587 --> 00:36:37,214
I paid for the bullets.
837
00:36:37,298 --> 00:36:38,337
Convict me.
838
00:36:38,421 --> 00:36:40,252
And I was with Roger Navarre
for ten months.
839
00:36:40,336 --> 00:36:41,862
I told Holly
all about the funeral.
840
00:36:41,946 --> 00:36:43,472
Where it was.
When it was.
841
00:36:43,556 --> 00:36:45,494
We're all as
responsible as she is.
842
00:36:45,578 --> 00:36:47,845
If you convict
Holly, you should convict us, too.
843
00:36:47,929 --> 00:36:50,252
I need these women
to be escorted from the courtroom
844
00:36:50,336 --> 00:36:52,026
and held in contempt.
845
00:36:52,110 --> 00:36:54,519
I need the accused
to be returned to holding.
846
00:36:54,603 --> 00:36:56,339
And I need the jury
to be led back
847
00:36:56,423 --> 00:36:59,058
to the jury room so that
I can have a private conversation
848
00:36:59,142 --> 00:37:01,381
with counsel
from both sides.
849
00:37:01,478 --> 00:37:04,200
I need this court
to come to order!
850
00:37:05,442 --> 00:37:07,569
So, what's your
pleasure, Ms. Conway?
851
00:37:07,653 --> 00:37:08,854
The jury is tainted.
852
00:37:08,938 --> 00:37:10,747
Are the People moving
for a mistrial?
853
00:37:10,978 --> 00:37:13,463
I need a little time.
I need to call the D.A.
854
00:37:13,547 --> 00:37:15,443
May I have 20 minutes?
855
00:37:15,729 --> 00:37:18,588
Take an hour.
I'll be in my chambers.
856
00:37:18,672 --> 00:37:20,243
Thank you,
Your Honor.
857
00:37:20,327 --> 00:37:23,403
I'll be in the conference room
if anyone needs me.
858
00:37:24,997 --> 00:37:26,947
Well, you called it.
859
00:37:27,031 --> 00:37:28,799
Looks like
it's gonna be a mistrial.
860
00:37:28,883 --> 00:37:30,410
Maybe.
861
00:37:30,494 --> 00:37:31,997
Maybe not.
862
00:37:34,955 --> 00:37:36,840
This room is being used.
863
00:37:38,530 --> 00:37:40,143
So, what's
the verdict?
864
00:37:40,227 --> 00:37:42,947
Take a guess. I'm-I'm trying
to write the press release now.
865
00:37:44,143 --> 00:37:47,453
Ah, yes, so, the D.A.
wants a mistrial, right?
866
00:37:47,537 --> 00:37:48,819
Eh, why not?
867
00:37:48,903 --> 00:37:51,323
Another year, who's
gonna complain
868
00:37:51,407 --> 00:37:53,847
that an accused killer
is staying behind bars
869
00:37:53,931 --> 00:37:55,864
even though there's been
no verdict rendered?
870
00:37:56,898 --> 00:37:59,590
Is there anything else?
'Cause I'm really busy.
871
00:37:59,674 --> 00:38:02,136
Yeah, actually,
there's one more thing.
872
00:38:02,310 --> 00:38:05,076
And I only mention this
because you're really good.
873
00:38:05,438 --> 00:38:06,807
You're very impressive.
874
00:38:06,891 --> 00:38:08,926
I've watched
you work twice now,
875
00:38:09,432 --> 00:38:11,760
and you've got
what it takes.
876
00:38:12,602 --> 00:38:14,215
Okay.
877
00:38:14,994 --> 00:38:17,114
Nobody knows your name.
878
00:38:19,056 --> 00:38:21,809
You didn't come all this way
for a mistrial.
879
00:38:22,636 --> 00:38:24,450
I know you're ambitious.
880
00:38:24,585 --> 00:38:26,547
I know you've got
big plans.
881
00:38:26,631 --> 00:38:29,421
Maybe city attorney.
Maybe mayor.
882
00:38:29,505 --> 00:38:31,244
Where are you going
with this conversation?
883
00:38:31,328 --> 00:38:33,456
Every challenge is
a hidden opportunity.
884
00:38:33,540 --> 00:38:35,183
Okay, you know,
I-I hear you selling,
885
00:38:35,267 --> 00:38:37,111
but I have no freaking idea
what the product is.
886
00:38:37,195 --> 00:38:40,028
Four women stood up in court
today and said, "I did it, too."
887
00:38:40,112 --> 00:38:41,984
How long you think
that's gonna stay secret?
888
00:38:42,196 --> 00:38:44,923
Well, the truth is that
only one woman is responsible
889
00:38:45,007 --> 00:38:46,666
for the death of
Roger Navarre.
890
00:38:46,750 --> 00:38:48,145
The truth.
891
00:38:49,211 --> 00:38:51,652
The truth is,
Roger Navarre ruined lives,
892
00:38:51,736 --> 00:38:54,046
and he was poised
to ruin many more.
893
00:38:54,130 --> 00:38:55,614
He was a very bad man,
894
00:38:55,698 --> 00:38:57,604
and there are a lot of men
out there just like him.
895
00:38:57,688 --> 00:39:00,840
Women know the truth.
You know the truth.
896
00:39:01,884 --> 00:39:03,569
You're the prosecuting attorney,
897
00:39:03,653 --> 00:39:05,354
and you've just been handed
a do-over.
898
00:39:05,438 --> 00:39:08,030
Don't you think,
knowing what you know...
899
00:39:08,728 --> 00:39:10,576
this would be a good time
to listen to your heart
900
00:39:10,660 --> 00:39:12,596
instead of your boss?
901
00:39:16,579 --> 00:39:18,051
Do the right thing.
902
00:39:18,362 --> 00:39:20,551
And, as an added benefit,
903
00:39:21,076 --> 00:39:23,083
you make a little noise
for yourself.
904
00:39:32,290 --> 00:39:35,340
Due to a series of outbursts
in the courtroom today,
905
00:39:35,424 --> 00:39:37,820
a mistrial has been declared
in the matter
906
00:39:37,904 --> 00:39:40,309
of The People v. Holly Kerrigan.
907
00:39:40,559 --> 00:39:43,650
I want you to know that,
as the prosecuting attorney,
908
00:39:43,734 --> 00:39:47,542
I've elected not to retry
this case at this time,
909
00:39:47,626 --> 00:39:49,615
and have agreed
to allow Ms. Kerrigan,
910
00:39:49,699 --> 00:39:51,408
subject
to psychiatric evaluation
911
00:39:51,492 --> 00:39:53,562
and a willingness
to enter pretrial probation,
912
00:39:53,703 --> 00:39:55,773
to serve no jail time.
913
00:39:55,884 --> 00:39:58,450
This will spare the People
both the cost of a new trial
914
00:39:58,534 --> 00:40:01,182
and the expense
of Ms. Kerrigan's incarceration
915
00:40:01,266 --> 00:40:03,467
until such time
as that trial begins.
916
00:40:03,821 --> 00:40:04,925
To be clear,
917
00:40:05,009 --> 00:40:09,317
while I do not condone
Ms. Kerrigan's actions...
918
00:40:10,834 --> 00:40:13,900
...it became apparent
over the course of the trial
919
00:40:13,984 --> 00:40:16,549
that her victim, Mr. Navarre,
920
00:40:16,633 --> 00:40:20,403
was, in fact,
an extremely dangerous predator.
921
00:40:20,991 --> 00:40:23,649
The kind of man
who takes pleasure
922
00:40:23,733 --> 00:40:27,497
in laying waste to
young women's lives and futures.
923
00:40:27,958 --> 00:40:32,308
And while that does not excuse
what happened here,
924
00:40:32,392 --> 00:40:35,878
it does provide context
for Ms. Kerrigan's actions
925
00:40:35,962 --> 00:40:38,833
that we were
heretofore unaware of.
926
00:40:40,898 --> 00:40:42,576
And for those of you
927
00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:46,536
who have never met
a man like Roger Navarre...
928
00:40:47,624 --> 00:40:49,762
just ask your wives...
929
00:40:50,632 --> 00:40:52,122
your daughters...
930
00:40:52,916 --> 00:40:54,551
your mothers...
931
00:40:55,417 --> 00:40:56,926
your girlfriends.
932
00:40:58,131 --> 00:41:01,270
I'm reasonably certain
that they have.
933
00:41:03,864 --> 00:41:06,528
I'm Assistant District Attorney
Whitney Conway.
934
00:41:06,612 --> 00:41:08,676
Thanks for your attention.
935
00:41:21,266 --> 00:41:23,074
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937
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