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Ms. Kerrigan?
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Ms. Kerrigan, can you hear me?
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Ms. Kerrigan, we need
you to wake up and focus.
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You're gonna have some visitors soon.
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We need to talk before that happens.
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You tried to kill yourself.
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And before that,
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you killed a man named Roger Navarre
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in front of a lot of people.
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Do you remember that?
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You're in New
York Sacred Heart Hospital.
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You've also been charged
with first-degree murder.
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Guards are posted outside the door,
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and, well, they're gonna keep you here
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until they're reasonably certain
that you won't harm yourself,
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and then transfer you to a prison.
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And who are the two of you?
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My name's Dr. Jason Bull,
I'm a psychologist.
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This is Benjamin Colón,
and he is an attorney.
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The Women's Coalition
of Manhattan asked us
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to come and meet you,
see if you were interested
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in having us represent you.
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They have a fund for this kind of thing.
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Is that okay with you?
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The D.A. and a judge
are on their way over.
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They're gonna hold an arraignment
here in your hospital room.
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I don't know what that is.
I don't know what that means.
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Well, an arraignment
is a kind of court proceeding.
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It's where you'll formally be advised
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of the charges against you,
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which, we mentioned,
are first-degree murder.
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They'll also ask you to enter a plea.
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Well, that's easy. I'm guilty.
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We didn't ask if you were guilty,
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we asked what your plea would be.
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The only answer to that
question is: "Not guilty."
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Otherwise there is no point
in going through this exercise.
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Well, that's fine with me.
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Let's not go through the exercise.
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I did it. Okay? I'm absolutely guilty.
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Hang me, give me the electric
chair, give me the needle.
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Whatever it is that they do,
I don't care.
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I just want them to do it to me.
Quickly as possible, please.
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Did you know the man?
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Of course.
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Forgive me,
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but why did you choose
to do it at a funeral?
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Did you know the girl?
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No, but he did.
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Roger Navarre? The hedge fund king?
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The philanthropist? The man you killed?
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You are aware of how
the girl died, aren't you?
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That she killed herself?
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I'm very aware. And jealous.
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Okay. Let's start at the beginning.
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How did you and Roger Navarre even meet?
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When I was 14, my dance school
in Ohio had auditions,
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and I won a spot
at the Manhattan Ballet Academy.
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But unfortunately, my family
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didn't have the money to send me.
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I was about to give up hope
of ever going
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when Roger Navarre called.
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He said he had seen my tape,
he'd seen me dance,
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and he wanted to bring me to New York.
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To pay my tuition and find
a place for me to live.
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The first year and a half was magical.
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I loved New York, I loved the school.
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The night before I went back home
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for Christmas break, Roger called.
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He said he wanted to take me to dinner
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and celebrate my success
at the institute.
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It was an amazing restaurant.
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Amazing food, an amazing night.
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Oh, boy.
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I messed up. I have a holiday party
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I'm supposed to have been at
a half hour ago.
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Wait. You don't mean
you have to leave, do you?
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Yeah, I kind of do.
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It's a Broadway thing.
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I invest in a lot of shows.
It's important that I say hi.
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I'd invite you to come along, but...
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Are they proofing people at the door?
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You know, I'm not as young as I look.
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The closer we got to the party,
the more nervous I became.
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I started to have this feeling
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that maybe I had made the wrong choice.
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Maybe he was right,
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maybe this wasn't the type
of party I should go to.
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You all right? You don't have to go.
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Oh, I...
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No, I-I guess I'm just a little anxious.
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What are you doing?
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Why are you taking that?
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You're not nervous, are you?
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Actually, I am.
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I'm with you.
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What are you talking about?
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You ever looked in the mirror?
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It was the best night of my life.
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The next day, I went back
to Ohio for Christmas break,
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but all I could think about
was New York.
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All I could think about was Roger.
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I was in love.
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But the man was twice your age,
wasn't he?
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Yeah. I guess.
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Or I was half of his.
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I don't know.
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That's not what it was about.
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So, you went home for Christmas.
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We talked every day on the phone.
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And the second I got back to New York,
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I went straight to his apartment
instead of mine.
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I stayed there for two days.
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Would it be fair to say, at
that point, you were a couple?
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I certainly thought so.
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He would take me to the ballet.
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He taught me about wine,
bought me beautiful gifts.
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He even got me a passport
and flew me to Paris.
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And that pill you took.
Were there more of those?
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All the time.
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I know it seems like
I should have known better,
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but he was just so charming,
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and I was living the life
I always dreamed of living.
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What's that?
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Don't worry about that.
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He knew just what to do.
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Had it all figured out.
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He walked me to my appointment.
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Everyone said it would be
over pretty quickly
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and then it wasn't.
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They told me I would have to
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rest in bed for three to four weeks,
which meant I couldn't dance.
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It was the end of the school year,
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when they have
all the performances, and...
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I couldn't dance.
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So, of course the school calls
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and tells me I'm not invited
back next year.
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It was heartbreaking.
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Everything I had worked for,
dreamed for,
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all of it was being taken away.
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So what'd you do?
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I went to Roger for help.
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But he said his hands were tied.
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The school wasn't his, there
wasn't anything he could do.
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So I packed my bags, went back to Ohio.
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Went back to high school.
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I drank a lot, drugged a lot.
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Got a job as a hostess in Cincinnati
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and I never heard from him again.
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But here you are, back in New York.
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But here I am... back in New York.
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About a year ago
I started having pain...
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down there.
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Turns out it was a complication
from the procedure, um,
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scar tissue.
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Something called Asherman's syndrome.
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It's very expensive to fix.
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So I called the doctor; He told
me to come back to New York,
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let him have a look at it,
see if he could correct it.
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I got on a bus, stayed at a hotel.
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And the morning
of my doctor's appointment,
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I go to the office.
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And I'm about to give
the receptionist my name
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when I see something.
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Behind her, I suddenly realized
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that I can see into this
private office space.
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And at first I think I'm seeing things.
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Beyond her through
the open door, there's Roger.
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Just sitting there,
looking like a nervous puppy
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and I'm thinking to myself,
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what's he doing
at a women's health practice?
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And after my appointment,
I waited across the street
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for him to leave so I could
get a better look
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and I saw he was with her.
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I'm sorry. He was with who?
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Emily. The girl who killed herself.
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Ah.
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So were you jealous? Is that
what this was all about?
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No, I was enraged.
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I knew exactly why he brought her there.
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I could see the shame
written all over her face.
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It was history repeating itself.
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I realized we were in a cycle.
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He used us both,
he was done with us both,
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and this is how he cleaned up his mess.
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So, on the bus back to Ohio,
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I did something
I hadn't done in four years.
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I looked him up online.
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I never wanted to know
if he had replaced me
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with someone else, but...
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suddenly I was obsessed.
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And it turns out I was only one girl.
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It was at least four other girls,
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all the same pattern, all with
him for six months to a year.
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And then the girls,
the ones he would sponsor,
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would suddenly drop out of school,
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never to be heard of again, just...
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another girl who tried to make
it in New York and couldn't.
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Another sweet young thing
who hit her "sell by" date.
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Then I, um, read that
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Emily killed herself.
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And I knew he would go to the funeral.
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It's the district
attorney and Judge Hopkins.
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May we come in?
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So, here we go, Holly.
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When they ask the question, you
know what you have to answer.
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I'm guilty as hell.
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And proud of it.
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This is Rachel Carter.
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She is two years older than Holly,
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but she pretty much had
the same experience.
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Here on scholarships
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sponsored by Navarre.
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Began a consensual affair, though it was
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technically illegal
in the eyes of the law
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because she was just 16.
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- He get her pregnant?
- Certainly did.
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Rachel explained
he wasn't a fan of protection,
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and he was adamant
that the pill was poison.
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How incredibly selfless of him.
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What a guy.
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Is she willing to talk to us?
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And does she know any other girls
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he was involved with?
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Yes and yes.
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Marissa said you wanted to see us?
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Yeah. Hey, guys.
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I think I may have come up
with a defense.
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Hmm.
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Defense of others.
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Oh.
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Okay.
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I can't, for the life of me,
see how that applies here.
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Uh, I second that.
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Well, there were other girls.
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We march them through the courtroom
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and we let them tell their stories.
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She did it for all of them.
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In defense of others.
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Oh, come on, Bull. You know that's not
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what defense of others means.
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We have no one to defend here.
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And that other victim was dead,
lying in a coffin.
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Yeah, and the other girls
that you're speaking about,
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they were presumably no
longer involved with him.
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There was no need to defend them.
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Ha. You call yourselves lawyers.
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The reason there are judges,
the reason there are courts,
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is because the law, to be effective,
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must be a living thing.
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Each case is its own creature.
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And that is why
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it has to be interpreted,
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not simply referenced and then applied.
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Now, I want to file a motion in limine
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and ask that judge for permission
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to put those other girls on the stand.
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Your Honor, in the matter
of The People v. Holly Kerrigan,
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we contend that Holly Kerrigan
killed Roger Navarre
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to prevent greater harm.
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We believe, in fact, that she was acting
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in defense of others.
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Now,
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in order for us to support this claim,
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we are asking for the court's
permission to call
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several of Roger Navarre's
scholarship students.
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Now, they will testify
that the late Mr. Navarre
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was involved in
a systematic pattern of seducing
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and in many cases impregnating
young women he sponsored
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at a variety of art institutions
here in New York.
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15-year-olds, 16-year-olds
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upending their lives
and destroying their futures.
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Doing irreparable harm
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to their physical and mental health.
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A.D.A. Conway, your thoughts?
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Your Honor.
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The People don't dispute the fact
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that Roger Navarre
may have been a predator.
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But that alone does not
give Ms. Kerrigan license
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to gun him down
in a church full of mourners.
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These women's experiences
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are irrelevant to the crime
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Ms. Kerrigan is accused of.
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In fact, we strongly doubt
that Ms. Kerrigan
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has ever even met these women before.
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And that is why the People
strongly urge the court
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to deny the defendant's motion.
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Before I make my ruling,
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I'd like to hear from at least
one of these women.
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Would you please
tell the court your name?
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My name is Rachel Carter.
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And what is your connection
to Roger Navarre?
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Well, I had a number
of connections to Mr. Navarre.
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I first met him when I applied
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to the Manhattan Institute of Ballet.
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He saw a tape of my audition,
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heard I'd been accepted,
and then reached out to me
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and offered to help with expenses.
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I was very grateful.
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And then, over time,
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the relationship became more personal.
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Romantic?
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I believed so at the time.
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00:14:22,203 --> 00:14:24,504
Looking back,
from Roger's point of view,
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I'm sure it was fundamentally sexual.
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00:14:27,675 --> 00:14:29,885
Now, let's start from the beginning.
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When Roger Navarre first
reached out, you were how old?
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I was 14 years old.
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Okay, and then you moved to New York,
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and about how long before the nature
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of the relationship changed?
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About a year and a half.
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He called me one night, asked
if I'd ever been to an opera.
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I, of course, had not.
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00:14:50,874 --> 00:14:53,709
Not many operas pass through
Chaney, Texas, where I'm from.
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And opera tickets here
in New York are very pricey.
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00:14:56,913 --> 00:14:59,115
And you went to Lincoln Center
and saw what?
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Flew on his private jet to San
Francisco to see La bohème.
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Wow.
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00:15:06,056 --> 00:15:08,691
So, did the relationship
change that night?
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I wanted it to.
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00:15:12,067 --> 00:15:16,165
I was so consumed by all of it. By him.
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But no. He really took his time.
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Really won my trust.
326
00:15:22,233 --> 00:15:25,374
I think he wanted me to believe
it was all my idea.
327
00:15:26,608 --> 00:15:29,567
I had never been with anyone
at that point in my life.
328
00:15:30,033 --> 00:15:32,982
Anyway, it was about two months later.
329
00:15:33,083 --> 00:15:34,383
We were on a boat,
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a sailboat that belonged
to a friend of his,
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out in the middle of the ocean.
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I had never done anything like that.
333
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Everywhere you looked,
you only saw water.
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No land.
335
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I found it very freeing.
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I'll let you figure out the rest.
337
00:15:52,803 --> 00:15:54,637
And was there alcohol involved?
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00:15:54,738 --> 00:15:55,738
Yes.
339
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- And drugs?
- Yes.
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And you were how old at this point?
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16.
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And when the two of you had sex,
did he use protection?
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00:16:03,780 --> 00:16:05,081
He didn't like that.
344
00:16:05,182 --> 00:16:07,016
So, what happened?
345
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How did it end?
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Little less than a year later,
I got pregnant.
347
00:16:14,900 --> 00:16:16,959
He said he'd take care
of the whole thing,
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be with me the whole time.
349
00:16:19,592 --> 00:16:21,292
Truth is...
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Truth was
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I didn't want it to be taken care of.
352
00:16:25,317 --> 00:16:27,937
I had this crazy teenaged idea
353
00:16:28,038 --> 00:16:30,406
that we'd get married
and travel the world.
354
00:16:30,858 --> 00:16:32,942
Just keep doing what we were doing,
355
00:16:33,043 --> 00:16:36,178
except I wouldn't be in school,
and we'd have this baby.
356
00:16:36,817 --> 00:16:38,447
Made perfect sense to me.
357
00:16:38,548 --> 00:16:40,249
Really freaked him out.
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He said no.
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It had to be taken care of.
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00:16:44,692 --> 00:16:47,189
Two weeks later, I...
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00:16:47,525 --> 00:16:48,858
get a letter
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00:16:48,959 --> 00:16:52,428
explaining that his "assistance"
had run its course.
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00:16:52,529 --> 00:16:55,498
That I was free to apply
to other benefactors
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00:16:55,599 --> 00:16:56,966
should I so choose
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00:16:57,067 --> 00:16:59,902
but that his assistance
was no longer available to me.
366
00:17:00,003 --> 00:17:01,403
So what did you do?
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00:17:01,505 --> 00:17:04,540
I withdrew from school.
Got a place of my own.
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00:17:04,641 --> 00:17:06,075
Got a job dancing.
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00:17:06,525 --> 00:17:07,710
Dancing?
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00:17:08,317 --> 00:17:11,113
I lied about my age, got a job dancing.
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00:17:11,214 --> 00:17:13,716
Topless. Then nude.
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00:17:13,817 --> 00:17:16,485
Now I do photography and modeling.
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00:17:16,586 --> 00:17:18,754
Adult modeling.
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00:17:18,855 --> 00:17:20,990
I see. Thank you.
375
00:17:21,091 --> 00:17:22,658
No further questions, Your Honor.
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00:17:23,233 --> 00:17:25,060
Here comes the moment of truth.
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00:17:25,162 --> 00:17:26,462
Thank you, Ms. Carter,
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00:17:27,002 --> 00:17:28,983
for telling the court your story.
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00:17:30,940 --> 00:17:32,374
Your Honor,
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00:17:32,569 --> 00:17:36,305
we're all sorry
for what happened to Ms. Carter.
381
00:17:36,650 --> 00:17:38,941
And I understand that the defense
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00:17:39,042 --> 00:17:40,643
has lined up additional witnesses
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00:17:40,744 --> 00:17:42,545
with similar accounts.
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00:17:42,646 --> 00:17:46,282
But the fact remains
that none of this is relevant.
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Moreover, its probative value
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00:17:48,251 --> 00:17:50,052
is far outweighed
by the prejudicial effect
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00:17:50,153 --> 00:17:51,821
it would have on the jury.
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00:17:51,922 --> 00:17:53,155
This kind of evidence,
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00:17:53,256 --> 00:17:55,524
these kinds of witnesses
need to be excluded.
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00:17:55,625 --> 00:17:57,359
Your Honor, with all due respect...
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00:17:57,460 --> 00:18:01,163
While I am not
unsympathetic to the facts,
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00:18:01,264 --> 00:18:03,999
I have to make my ruling
based on the law.
393
00:18:04,100 --> 00:18:06,969
And the law agrees with A.D.A. Conway.
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00:18:07,525 --> 00:18:09,505
We're not here to judge whether
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00:18:09,606 --> 00:18:12,007
the late Mr. Navarre
was an honorable man
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00:18:12,108 --> 00:18:13,642
or not. We are here
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00:18:13,743 --> 00:18:17,233
to decide whether Ms. Kerrigan
acted in defense of others.
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00:18:17,881 --> 00:18:20,049
And there is nothing
in the testimony that I heard
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00:18:20,150 --> 00:18:21,750
that suggests that is the case.
400
00:18:21,852 --> 00:18:24,942
And for that reason,
your motion in limine is denied.
401
00:18:44,694 --> 00:18:46,594
It's not really all that bad.
402
00:18:46,696 --> 00:18:47,729
Yeah, it is.
403
00:18:48,452 --> 00:18:50,041
- Yeah, it is.
- Okay.
404
00:18:50,143 --> 00:18:51,676
I asked
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00:18:51,701 --> 00:18:52,901
Marissa to reach out to all the women
406
00:18:53,002 --> 00:18:54,602
who were involved with Roger Navarre,
407
00:18:54,704 --> 00:18:57,005
see if they would be available
to sit in court
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00:18:57,106 --> 00:18:58,773
once the trial begins.
409
00:18:58,874 --> 00:19:00,809
But it's COVID. No public allowed.
410
00:19:00,910 --> 00:19:02,977
Yes. I know. And I am gonna go
to the judge,
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00:19:03,079 --> 00:19:04,446
and I'm gonna make a special plea.
412
00:19:04,547 --> 00:19:06,848
Since these women
were not allowed to testify,
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00:19:06,949 --> 00:19:09,217
they should at least be allowed
to witness the trial.
414
00:19:09,318 --> 00:19:10,785
The trial of a woman who suffered
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00:19:10,886 --> 00:19:12,687
at the hands of the same man they did.
416
00:19:12,788 --> 00:19:16,224
And I will argue it will help
their mental well-being.
417
00:19:16,900 --> 00:19:18,560
That's awfully nice of you.
418
00:19:18,661 --> 00:19:21,229
Going to bat with the judge
to make that happen.
419
00:19:21,330 --> 00:19:22,697
There's nothing nice about it.
420
00:19:22,798 --> 00:19:24,566
I want them sitting in that gallery.
421
00:19:24,667 --> 00:19:26,368
I want the jury wondering about them.
422
00:19:26,469 --> 00:19:27,936
And I want you to find a moment
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00:19:28,037 --> 00:19:29,971
to point them out, to indicate
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00:19:30,072 --> 00:19:34,309
that they went through
the same version of hell
425
00:19:34,334 --> 00:19:36,035
that Holly went through.
426
00:19:36,212 --> 00:19:38,646
Agent Sturgeon, when did Ms. Kerrigan
427
00:19:38,748 --> 00:19:40,949
come to the FBI offices
to meet with you?
428
00:19:41,050 --> 00:19:42,884
Holly Kerrigan first came to meet me
429
00:19:42,985 --> 00:19:44,372
a little over a year ago.
430
00:19:44,447 --> 00:19:46,207
And what was the purpose of that visit?
431
00:19:46,313 --> 00:19:47,789
She alleged that Roger Navarre
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00:19:47,890 --> 00:19:49,924
had committed statutory rape
on her person
433
00:19:49,949 --> 00:19:52,384
and, additionally,
had provided illegal substances
434
00:19:52,561 --> 00:19:53,928
to a minor... her...
435
00:19:54,029 --> 00:19:57,098
Over a period of about 18 months.
436
00:19:57,199 --> 00:19:59,033
And what did
you do with that information?
437
00:19:59,135 --> 00:20:00,301
Well, I opened
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00:20:00,403 --> 00:20:02,570
a case file, started
looking into Mr. Navarre.
439
00:20:02,671 --> 00:20:04,672
Tried to determine
if there was any truth
440
00:20:04,774 --> 00:20:06,474
to what Ms. Kerrigan alleged.
441
00:20:06,575 --> 00:20:08,309
And opening up a case file,
442
00:20:08,411 --> 00:20:11,846
looking into someone like Roger Navarre,
443
00:20:11,947 --> 00:20:14,516
can you tell us what that entails?
444
00:20:14,617 --> 00:20:15,850
Let me be clear.
445
00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,586
We didn't take
these allegations lightly.
446
00:20:19,150 --> 00:20:21,389
But investigations like this
447
00:20:21,817 --> 00:20:24,659
can go on for months, sometimes years.
448
00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,328
You have to make sure you have
all of your ducks in a row
449
00:20:27,430 --> 00:20:29,297
before you start indicting people,
450
00:20:29,398 --> 00:20:31,399
particularly people as well-connected
451
00:20:31,500 --> 00:20:32,834
as Roger Navarre.
452
00:20:33,317 --> 00:20:34,636
And did the defendant
453
00:20:34,737 --> 00:20:36,905
continue to communicate with you?
454
00:20:36,930 --> 00:20:39,131
Yes, we spoke on a number of occasions.
455
00:20:39,567 --> 00:20:42,744
She would call and email from Ohio.
456
00:20:42,769 --> 00:20:45,871
And what was the purpose
of these calls and emails?
457
00:20:46,048 --> 00:20:48,416
Did she have additional
information to offer
458
00:20:48,517 --> 00:20:50,552
about Roger Navarre?
459
00:20:50,653 --> 00:20:52,320
It's-it's my understanding that,
460
00:20:52,421 --> 00:20:54,556
at that point, they were
no longer communicating.
461
00:20:54,657 --> 00:20:56,404
Not for years.
462
00:20:56,504 --> 00:20:58,793
No, the purpose
of these calls and emails
463
00:20:58,894 --> 00:21:00,695
was primarily to express her impatience
464
00:21:00,796 --> 00:21:02,130
with the investigation.
465
00:21:02,583 --> 00:21:04,866
Her frustration with the process.
466
00:21:04,967 --> 00:21:08,169
And, I suppose, her frustration with me.
467
00:21:08,270 --> 00:21:11,206
So were you surprised
468
00:21:11,307 --> 00:21:13,541
when she took matters
into her own hands?
469
00:21:14,214 --> 00:21:16,044
No. Not entirely.
470
00:21:16,145 --> 00:21:17,512
Thank you, Agent Sturgeon.
471
00:21:17,613 --> 00:21:19,214
No further questions.
472
00:21:27,189 --> 00:21:28,990
Good morning, Agent Sturgeon.
473
00:21:29,015 --> 00:21:30,048
Good morning.
474
00:21:30,226 --> 00:21:32,026
Now, point in fact,
475
00:21:32,051 --> 00:21:34,520
my client Holly Kerrigan
wasn't the only person
476
00:21:34,545 --> 00:21:37,417
that came to see you
about Roger Navarre, was she?
477
00:21:37,566 --> 00:21:39,100
I believe it's time for an objection.
478
00:21:39,201 --> 00:21:40,635
Objection, Your Honor!
479
00:21:40,736 --> 00:21:42,036
Relevance?
480
00:21:42,061 --> 00:21:43,162
Your Honor,
481
00:21:43,339 --> 00:21:45,173
it's the A.D.A. who called the witness
482
00:21:45,274 --> 00:21:47,275
and opened the door
to the fact that the FBI
483
00:21:47,376 --> 00:21:50,445
opened up an investigation
on Roger Navarre.
484
00:21:50,546 --> 00:21:52,013
Objection overruled.
485
00:21:52,821 --> 00:21:55,122
The witness will answer the question.
486
00:21:55,417 --> 00:21:57,252
I'm sorry, what was the question?
487
00:21:57,353 --> 00:21:59,153
Well, let me refresh your memory.
488
00:21:59,255 --> 00:22:01,756
I was asking
if my client, Holly Kerrigan,
489
00:22:01,857 --> 00:22:04,292
was the only person
who came to the Bureau
490
00:22:04,393 --> 00:22:05,860
about Roger Navarre?
491
00:22:06,862 --> 00:22:08,096
No, she was not.
492
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,798
No, in fact, a number of other women
493
00:22:10,900 --> 00:22:13,268
came to see you personally to file
494
00:22:13,369 --> 00:22:15,303
similar complaints against Mr. Navarre.
495
00:22:15,404 --> 00:22:17,105
Isn't that correct?
496
00:22:17,483 --> 00:22:18,907
Yes, that's correct.
497
00:22:19,275 --> 00:22:21,242
And I know they are wearing masks,
498
00:22:21,343 --> 00:22:23,645
but perhaps you can point out, uh,
499
00:22:23,670 --> 00:22:26,004
the ones that you have spoken
to in the past?
500
00:22:26,127 --> 00:22:27,962
Again, Your Honor, what is the relevance
501
00:22:27,990 --> 00:22:29,390
of this line of questioning?
502
00:22:29,484 --> 00:22:31,218
It sounds to me like
the defense is intentionally
503
00:22:31,259 --> 00:22:33,083
making a mockery of your earlier order
504
00:22:33,108 --> 00:22:35,076
not to hear testimony from
anyone who may have been
505
00:22:35,101 --> 00:22:36,935
involved with the late Mr. Navarre.
506
00:22:37,105 --> 00:22:38,706
My goodness, A.D.A. Conway
507
00:22:38,731 --> 00:22:40,031
has quite a temper.
508
00:22:40,142 --> 00:22:42,042
Objection sustained.
509
00:22:42,237 --> 00:22:45,239
The jury will disregard any
remarks regarding the women
510
00:22:45,264 --> 00:22:46,364
seated in the gallery.
511
00:22:46,817 --> 00:22:48,836
And I'm putting the defense on notice.
512
00:22:48,861 --> 00:22:50,695
Any further shenanigans of this type,
513
00:22:50,873 --> 00:22:52,307
and I will rescind
514
00:22:52,332 --> 00:22:54,233
my invitation to these observers.
515
00:22:54,410 --> 00:22:55,877
Am I clear?
516
00:22:56,317 --> 00:22:57,879
Very clear, Your Honor.
517
00:22:57,980 --> 00:23:00,048
Any more questions for the witness?
518
00:23:00,149 --> 00:23:01,525
No, Your Honor.
519
00:23:03,067 --> 00:23:05,186
I believe we covered it all.
520
00:23:05,287 --> 00:23:07,288
Yes, I believe we have.
521
00:23:11,900 --> 00:23:13,400
She's all dressed.
522
00:23:20,733 --> 00:23:22,270
Holly, I meant to ask you this morning,
523
00:23:22,371 --> 00:23:24,405
how was your first night in prison?
524
00:23:24,430 --> 00:23:26,064
It was fine.
525
00:23:26,241 --> 00:23:28,810
They had me all by myself
and there's cameras.
526
00:23:28,911 --> 00:23:31,567
Nobody wants me to kill myself
when they're not looking.
527
00:23:33,749 --> 00:23:36,684
Holly, there's something I want
you to think about tonight.
528
00:23:38,354 --> 00:23:39,721
You're very good at telling people that,
529
00:23:39,822 --> 00:23:41,189
without Roger Navarre,
530
00:23:41,290 --> 00:23:43,024
you never would have
come to New York City,
531
00:23:43,125 --> 00:23:44,659
you never would have learned to dance.
532
00:23:45,574 --> 00:23:48,067
But did it ever occur to you
that, without Roger Navarre...
533
00:23:48,797 --> 00:23:50,765
...you never would have picked up a gun?
534
00:23:50,866 --> 00:23:52,233
You never would have shot someone.
535
00:23:52,334 --> 00:23:55,436
You never would have spent
a single night in prison.
536
00:23:55,858 --> 00:23:58,873
If Roger Navarre had not come
537
00:23:58,974 --> 00:24:01,817
into your life, if he had
not done the things that he did,
538
00:24:02,578 --> 00:24:05,079
your life would be very different.
539
00:24:05,180 --> 00:24:08,108
And don't you think that's a
point worth making to this jury?
540
00:24:08,441 --> 00:24:10,342
Don't you think your own life
is worth fighting for?
541
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,321
Prison van's here.
542
00:24:14,623 --> 00:24:15,790
I'll see you in the morning.
543
00:24:15,898 --> 00:24:17,659
See you in the morning, Holly.
544
00:24:28,773 --> 00:24:29,871
Ah.
545
00:24:29,972 --> 00:24:31,339
It's my favorite fiancée.
546
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:32,840
Hello, my dear.
547
00:24:32,941 --> 00:24:35,043
I'm on my way home.
Your brother says hi.
548
00:24:35,144 --> 00:24:37,612
What do you mean,
your "favorite" fiancée?
549
00:24:37,713 --> 00:24:38,946
You win.
550
00:24:39,048 --> 00:24:40,415
You're not my favorite.
551
00:24:40,516 --> 00:24:42,784
Now I feel bad. You sound
like you're in a good mood.
552
00:24:42,885 --> 00:24:44,118
Why? What's going on?
553
00:24:44,219 --> 00:24:47,055
I take it
that you haven't seen the news?
554
00:24:47,156 --> 00:24:49,891
I DVR'd something I thought
you'd want to know about.
555
00:24:49,992 --> 00:24:52,126
And in legal news, turns out
556
00:24:52,227 --> 00:24:54,228
that Holly Kerrigan,
the young woman who shot
557
00:24:54,329 --> 00:24:57,965
and killed billionaire
hedge fund manager Roger Navarre
558
00:24:58,067 --> 00:24:59,400
in front of 30-odd witnesses
559
00:24:59,501 --> 00:25:01,602
at the funeral of a friend,
560
00:25:01,704 --> 00:25:04,138
has a complicated mental health history.
561
00:25:04,239 --> 00:25:07,608
Investigators for the Manhattan
Daily Journal discovered
562
00:25:07,710 --> 00:25:10,945
that she spent time in no less
than three Ohio mental health
563
00:25:11,046 --> 00:25:13,281
and drug rehabilitation facilities
564
00:25:13,382 --> 00:25:15,483
prior to her 20th birthday.
565
00:25:15,942 --> 00:25:17,452
Did you get all that?
566
00:25:17,553 --> 00:25:19,821
Yeah. We got it.
567
00:25:19,922 --> 00:25:21,656
All right, I'll see you in a little bit?
568
00:25:21,757 --> 00:25:23,858
See you in a bit.
569
00:25:24,827 --> 00:25:26,194
Well...
570
00:25:26,295 --> 00:25:27,762
they didn't waste any time.
571
00:25:27,863 --> 00:25:29,764
You think the D.A.'s office
put that out there?
572
00:25:29,865 --> 00:25:31,899
Please, it's right from the playbook.
573
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,968
The second we get a little traction
574
00:25:34,069 --> 00:25:37,572
by having those five previous
victims in the courtroom...
575
00:25:44,932 --> 00:25:47,727
Okay. I think, at this point,
it's safe to assume
576
00:25:47,752 --> 00:25:49,920
the jury knows that you
have spent some time in rehab,
577
00:25:50,021 --> 00:25:52,189
as well as some other institutions,
578
00:25:52,567 --> 00:25:54,267
because of your mental health issues.
579
00:25:54,368 --> 00:25:57,003
The depression
and the suicidal thoughts.
580
00:25:57,912 --> 00:26:00,474
Okay. But isn't that just more evidence,
581
00:26:00,575 --> 00:26:03,043
more proof that what happened
to me actually happened to me?
582
00:26:03,144 --> 00:26:05,045
Okay, I promise you,
I never would have needed to go
583
00:26:05,146 --> 00:26:07,214
to those places
if I hadn't met Roger Navarre.
584
00:26:07,315 --> 00:26:08,815
Sadly, almost certainly,
585
00:26:08,916 --> 00:26:11,218
the jury isn't gonna
look at it that way.
586
00:26:11,319 --> 00:26:13,587
That's why I want to discuss
a different strategy with you.
587
00:26:15,723 --> 00:26:17,524
We would like you to consider
588
00:26:17,625 --> 00:26:20,127
allowing us to pursue
an insanity defense.
589
00:26:21,395 --> 00:26:23,096
But I'm not insane.
590
00:26:23,197 --> 00:26:26,466
Okay, killing Roger wasn't
just some crazy, impetuous act.
591
00:26:26,567 --> 00:26:28,268
In some ways, it was
the single most rational thing
592
00:26:28,369 --> 00:26:29,903
I've ever done in my life.
593
00:26:30,004 --> 00:26:31,972
And I don't want to spend the
rest of my life in an asylum.
594
00:26:32,073 --> 00:26:33,907
Or in a prison, for that matter.
595
00:26:34,333 --> 00:26:36,400
Well, that's good to hear, Holly.
596
00:26:37,311 --> 00:26:39,112
That sounds like progress.
597
00:26:40,057 --> 00:26:41,891
Sounds like someone
who's starting to care
598
00:26:41,916 --> 00:26:45,585
about what happens to them
the day after the trial is over.
599
00:26:46,730 --> 00:26:47,897
Holly,
600
00:26:47,922 --> 00:26:50,157
choosing to mount an insanity defense
601
00:26:50,258 --> 00:26:52,225
does not mean that you're insane.
602
00:26:52,326 --> 00:26:55,796
It only means that you weren't
capable of rational thought,
603
00:26:55,897 --> 00:26:58,131
of understanding the difference
between right and wrong
604
00:26:58,232 --> 00:27:00,367
when you chose to kill Roger Navarre.
605
00:27:00,468 --> 00:27:02,669
And if the jury decides
to accept our defense
606
00:27:02,770 --> 00:27:04,004
when they deliberate,
607
00:27:04,105 --> 00:27:05,405
it often means,
608
00:27:05,506 --> 00:27:07,507
after a proper examination
609
00:27:07,608 --> 00:27:09,576
and you are found to be of sound mind,
610
00:27:09,677 --> 00:27:11,678
that you will be free
to live the rest of your life
611
00:27:11,779 --> 00:27:12,983
as a free woman.
612
00:27:14,067 --> 00:27:15,715
What do you think?
613
00:27:16,483 --> 00:27:18,775
I really think this is the move here.
614
00:27:19,692 --> 00:27:21,855
Now that the prosecution
has rested their case
615
00:27:21,956 --> 00:27:24,524
and the defense is about
to begin presenting theirs,
616
00:27:24,625 --> 00:27:26,927
I've been informed that Ms. Kerrigan
617
00:27:27,028 --> 00:27:28,361
would like to change her plea
618
00:27:28,462 --> 00:27:30,464
to "not guilty by reason of insanity."
619
00:27:31,522 --> 00:27:32,933
I need the jury to understand
620
00:27:33,034 --> 00:27:35,035
that this is simply an added
option when it comes time
621
00:27:35,136 --> 00:27:36,770
to making a decision.
622
00:27:36,871 --> 00:27:38,905
You can still find the defendant guilty,
623
00:27:39,006 --> 00:27:40,740
find the defendant innocent,
624
00:27:40,842 --> 00:27:43,210
or, if you feel she meets
the threshold requirements...
625
00:27:43,311 --> 00:27:45,579
Which we will discuss
during deliberations...
626
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,108
Not guilty by reason of insanity.
627
00:27:48,749 --> 00:27:50,083
All right, then.
628
00:27:50,184 --> 00:27:51,351
Mr. Colón,
629
00:27:51,452 --> 00:27:52,919
you may call your first witness.
630
00:27:53,020 --> 00:27:54,521
Dr. Diposo,
631
00:27:54,622 --> 00:27:57,490
would you please tell the jury
what it is you do for a living?
632
00:27:57,983 --> 00:28:01,161
I'm what they call
a forensic psychiatrist.
633
00:28:01,262 --> 00:28:03,563
I deal primarily in the assessment
634
00:28:03,664 --> 00:28:06,233
and treatment of people in prisons,
635
00:28:06,334 --> 00:28:08,635
people in psychiatric hospitals,
636
00:28:08,736 --> 00:28:11,705
and occasionally individuals
among the general public
637
00:28:11,806 --> 00:28:13,673
who have mental health issues.
638
00:28:13,774 --> 00:28:16,810
And are you
familiar with Holly Kerrigan?
639
00:28:16,911 --> 00:28:18,211
Yes, I am.
640
00:28:18,312 --> 00:28:20,614
In fact, I met with her
personally this morning.
641
00:28:20,715 --> 00:28:22,883
In addition, I've studied the records
642
00:28:22,984 --> 00:28:24,684
of the crime of which she's accused.
643
00:28:24,785 --> 00:28:26,973
Transcripts, police reports,
644
00:28:27,072 --> 00:28:28,622
evidence files.
645
00:28:29,067 --> 00:28:31,825
And have you come to any opinion
646
00:28:31,926 --> 00:28:34,694
regarding Ms. Kerrigan's mental health
647
00:28:34,795 --> 00:28:39,165
in the hours, days or even weeks
surrounding the killing?
648
00:28:39,267 --> 00:28:40,500
I have.
649
00:28:40,601 --> 00:28:42,769
Based on everything that I've reviewed,
650
00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:45,038
it seems fairly obvious to me
651
00:28:45,139 --> 00:28:46,806
that, prior to the killing,
652
00:28:46,908 --> 00:28:51,278
she was suffering
from a profound case of PTSD
653
00:28:51,379 --> 00:28:55,282
stemming from both her
relationship with Mr. Navarre
654
00:28:55,383 --> 00:28:57,284
and its aftermath.
655
00:28:57,385 --> 00:29:00,420
And in the days and weeks leading up to
656
00:29:00,445 --> 00:29:02,947
and including the killing,
657
00:29:03,124 --> 00:29:08,128
I believe her behavior fits the
legal definition of insanity.
658
00:29:08,229 --> 00:29:11,564
Right. I-It... You
hear about PTSD all the time.
659
00:29:11,666 --> 00:29:13,233
Seems like it's everywhere.
660
00:29:13,334 --> 00:29:14,634
Is it even real?
661
00:29:14,735 --> 00:29:16,803
Does such a thing actually exist?
662
00:29:16,904 --> 00:29:19,205
Oh, it absolutely exists.
663
00:29:19,307 --> 00:29:21,007
In fact, it's been recognized
664
00:29:21,108 --> 00:29:23,143
for over a century
under different names.
665
00:29:23,244 --> 00:29:26,613
In World War I,
they called it "shellshock."
666
00:29:26,714 --> 00:29:28,148
In World War II,
667
00:29:28,173 --> 00:29:30,741
they referred to it as "battle fatigue."
668
00:29:30,766 --> 00:29:32,133
It's all the same thing.
669
00:29:32,158 --> 00:29:34,430
And it doesn't just happen
to soldiers in combat.
670
00:29:34,455 --> 00:29:35,998
Anyone who's party to
671
00:29:36,023 --> 00:29:38,925
or witnesses a traumatic event
672
00:29:39,026 --> 00:29:41,061
is a candidate for it.
673
00:29:41,162 --> 00:29:43,563
And does PTSD make you insane?
674
00:29:43,664 --> 00:29:46,199
No, it does not.
675
00:29:46,224 --> 00:29:49,126
And yet you began your testimony
by stating unequivocally
676
00:29:49,303 --> 00:29:52,005
that Holly Kerrigan was legally insane.
677
00:29:52,106 --> 00:29:55,141
Or at least she was in the days or hours
678
00:29:55,242 --> 00:29:57,243
prior to Roger Navarre's death.
679
00:29:57,345 --> 00:29:58,712
I do.
680
00:29:58,813 --> 00:30:00,380
I think a simple review of the facts
681
00:30:00,481 --> 00:30:02,082
makes that abundantly clear.
682
00:30:02,708 --> 00:30:03,817
How do you mean?
683
00:30:03,918 --> 00:30:05,418
Put aside whether you believe
684
00:30:05,519 --> 00:30:09,155
the act of murder is the
undertaking of a sane person.
685
00:30:09,256 --> 00:30:11,291
Making a choice to kill a person
686
00:30:11,392 --> 00:30:14,427
in front of so many witnesses is not.
687
00:30:14,528 --> 00:30:16,155
Add to that that,
688
00:30:16,191 --> 00:30:17,488
once she pulled the trigger,
689
00:30:17,665 --> 00:30:20,233
she made absolutely no attempt to flee.
690
00:30:20,334 --> 00:30:22,135
Add to that,
691
00:30:22,236 --> 00:30:24,604
then she tried to kill herself.
692
00:30:24,705 --> 00:30:26,272
That human being,
693
00:30:26,374 --> 00:30:27,674
in that moment,
694
00:30:27,775 --> 00:30:29,025
is not sane.
695
00:30:31,379 --> 00:30:32,858
I see.
696
00:30:33,314 --> 00:30:34,714
Thank you very much.
697
00:30:34,815 --> 00:30:36,716
I have no further questions, Your Honor.
698
00:30:36,817 --> 00:30:38,418
Dr. Diposo,
699
00:30:38,519 --> 00:30:41,287
you testified
that you met with the accused
700
00:30:41,389 --> 00:30:43,556
for the first time this morning.
701
00:30:43,657 --> 00:30:44,891
That's correct.
702
00:30:44,916 --> 00:30:46,483
And what time
did that meeting take place?
703
00:30:46,660 --> 00:30:48,828
We started around 10:00 a.m.
704
00:30:49,150 --> 00:30:50,563
And how long did you go?
705
00:30:50,664 --> 00:30:52,399
Little over two hours.
706
00:30:52,900 --> 00:30:56,136
Okay. So,
it's a little after 2:00 now...
707
00:30:56,237 --> 00:30:59,039
45 minutes for lunch...
W... wouldn't you say
708
00:30:59,140 --> 00:31:02,575
that you arrived at your
conclusions rather quickly?
709
00:31:02,676 --> 00:31:06,399
Again, the accused's behavior,
in that moment,
710
00:31:06,479 --> 00:31:07,647
says it all.
711
00:31:07,748 --> 00:31:11,551
No matter how much time
I might have to contemplate,
712
00:31:11,652 --> 00:31:14,220
it wouldn't change my conclusions.
713
00:31:15,222 --> 00:31:16,689
John Wilkes Booth.
714
00:31:16,791 --> 00:31:17,957
Insane?
715
00:31:18,059 --> 00:31:19,292
Excuse me?
716
00:31:19,393 --> 00:31:21,594
John Wilkes Booth, the man
who shot Abraham Lincoln.
717
00:31:21,695 --> 00:31:23,863
Did it in a theater full of people.
718
00:31:23,964 --> 00:31:26,666
By your definition,
wouldn't he be insane?
719
00:31:27,067 --> 00:31:29,135
I'm not prepared to render
a decision on that.
720
00:31:29,236 --> 00:31:31,838
I've never met with Mr. Booth.
721
00:31:31,939 --> 00:31:33,840
Of course not.
And he did try to flee, so...
722
00:31:33,941 --> 00:31:35,008
never mind.
723
00:31:35,109 --> 00:31:36,668
Objection, Your Honor.
724
00:31:36,767 --> 00:31:38,417
Counsel is badgering the witness.
725
00:31:39,105 --> 00:31:40,259
My apologies, Your Honor.
726
00:31:40,364 --> 00:31:42,215
I'll withdraw the question, Your Honor.
727
00:31:42,316 --> 00:31:44,143
How about Sirhan Sirhan?
728
00:31:44,247 --> 00:31:46,186
Shot Bobby Kennedy in
a room full of people
729
00:31:46,287 --> 00:31:47,887
in a hotel in Los Angeles... Insane?
730
00:31:49,326 --> 00:31:50,657
- Your Honor...
- Ms. Conway!
731
00:31:50,758 --> 00:31:52,625
How about all the terrorists
732
00:31:52,726 --> 00:31:54,794
in all the planes that attacked
this country on 9/11?
733
00:31:54,895 --> 00:31:56,396
Insane? Or impassioned?
734
00:31:56,497 --> 00:31:58,565
Crazy? Or determined to
do something and willing
735
00:31:58,666 --> 00:32:00,633
- to get it done at any cost?
- Your Honor,
736
00:32:00,734 --> 00:32:03,369
counsel isn't even
addressing the witness.
737
00:32:03,471 --> 00:32:05,905
She is testifying directly to the jury.
738
00:32:06,006 --> 00:32:07,740
Ms. Conway, if you do not stop
739
00:32:07,825 --> 00:32:09,275
and allow the witness to answer,
740
00:32:09,376 --> 00:32:11,544
I will find you in contempt of court.
741
00:32:11,645 --> 00:32:13,613
That's all right, Your Honor.
742
00:32:14,108 --> 00:32:15,615
My apologies, Your Honor.
743
00:32:15,716 --> 00:32:17,417
I'll just withdraw the question.
744
00:32:19,275 --> 00:32:20,854
And I have no more questions.
745
00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:35,512
Well, that's a terrific
closing argument, Benny.
746
00:32:37,648 --> 00:32:39,015
It's beautiful, actually.
747
00:32:40,651 --> 00:32:43,620
So you think it'll make
a damn bit of difference?
748
00:32:44,922 --> 00:32:46,567
No, I don't.
749
00:32:51,429 --> 00:32:53,130
I am absolutely certain
750
00:32:53,231 --> 00:32:55,766
we don't have anywhere near
a dozen "not guilty" votes,
751
00:32:55,867 --> 00:32:59,536
much less "not guilty
by reason of insanity."
752
00:32:59,637 --> 00:33:01,705
And I'm reasonably sure
the A.D.A. doesn't have
753
00:33:01,806 --> 00:33:04,040
a dozen jurors who want
to send Holly to prison
754
00:33:04,142 --> 00:33:05,858
for the rest of her life, either.
755
00:33:06,330 --> 00:33:08,998
So you think we're
looking at a hung jury?
756
00:33:10,648 --> 00:33:12,233
I'm afraid so.
757
00:33:13,233 --> 00:33:15,485
Mr. Colón. Dr. Bull.
758
00:33:15,586 --> 00:33:16,853
Rachel. Ladies.
759
00:33:16,954 --> 00:33:19,189
None of us has a good feeling
about any of this.
760
00:33:19,290 --> 00:33:22,259
Well, I'd love to disabuse you
of that feeling, but...
761
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:23,560
I can't.
762
00:33:26,464 --> 00:33:28,275
We ought to head inside.
763
00:33:32,069 --> 00:33:33,970
Let me remind you
764
00:33:34,071 --> 00:33:37,025
of the funeral in which this all began.
765
00:33:37,575 --> 00:33:40,067
The funeral of a young dancer.
766
00:33:40,711 --> 00:33:42,775
17 years old.
767
00:33:43,448 --> 00:33:45,025
Took her own life.
768
00:33:46,250 --> 00:33:48,485
One can only imagine the pain
769
00:33:48,586 --> 00:33:51,521
that must have been inflicted
upon this young woman,
770
00:33:51,622 --> 00:33:54,658
to choose death by her own hand.
771
00:33:56,983 --> 00:33:59,067
I mean, how do we make sense of that?
772
00:34:00,264 --> 00:34:01,298
Seems...
773
00:34:01,399 --> 00:34:03,650
beyond comprehension.
774
00:34:04,969 --> 00:34:07,070
But one person understood.
775
00:34:07,171 --> 00:34:08,845
My client understood.
776
00:34:09,358 --> 00:34:11,575
When she saw the young ballerina
777
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,501
and her old boyfriend on the street
778
00:34:13,526 --> 00:34:15,427
making their way
out of a woman's clinic,
779
00:34:15,452 --> 00:34:18,621
she knew instantly what was happening.
780
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:21,618
You know why?
Because it happened to her.
781
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,254
And she knew at that exact moment
782
00:34:24,355 --> 00:34:27,123
that it was gonna keep happening
to other young women
783
00:34:27,225 --> 00:34:29,483
unless she put a stop to it.
784
00:34:30,962 --> 00:34:32,996
And that's exactly what she did.
785
00:34:34,866 --> 00:34:36,700
Now, ladies and gentlemen of the jury,
786
00:34:36,801 --> 00:34:40,637
I know some of you may think
my client is a criminal.
787
00:34:41,952 --> 00:34:43,233
Well...
788
00:34:44,775 --> 00:34:47,210
I know some people
who think she's a hero.
789
00:34:47,733 --> 00:34:51,882
And whatever side
of that question you land on,
790
00:34:51,907 --> 00:34:54,108
one thing's undeniable,
791
00:34:54,652 --> 00:34:58,588
and that is, my client's life
has been irreparably destroyed.
792
00:34:58,689 --> 00:35:01,057
And there's no reason to think
that incarceration
793
00:35:01,082 --> 00:35:04,452
for the rest of her life
will do anything other than make
794
00:35:04,629 --> 00:35:07,731
whatever's already been damaged
even more so.
795
00:35:09,900 --> 00:35:11,667
So, please...
796
00:35:14,305 --> 00:35:16,739
...let's give
this young woman a chance...
797
00:35:17,775 --> 00:35:20,443
...at finding the professional
help that she needs.
798
00:35:22,233 --> 00:35:26,169
And at helping her forge
a future for herself.
799
00:35:27,451 --> 00:35:29,025
Thank you for listening.
800
00:35:35,126 --> 00:35:39,317
Ladies and gentlemen,
you may think she's a criminal.
801
00:35:39,897 --> 00:35:42,766
That's what the attorney
for the accused just said.
802
00:35:43,150 --> 00:35:45,068
Well, let me clear that up for you.
803
00:35:45,169 --> 00:35:47,070
She is a criminal.
804
00:35:47,171 --> 00:35:49,940
People who shoot people
in the back of the head,
805
00:35:50,041 --> 00:35:52,342
in our society, are criminals.
806
00:35:52,443 --> 00:35:54,644
And thank goodness that's the case.
807
00:35:54,745 --> 00:35:58,148
Look, no one's saying that Roger Navarre
808
00:35:58,173 --> 00:35:59,306
was a model citizen.
809
00:35:59,483 --> 00:36:01,618
Clearly, he had a lot of girlfriends,
810
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,654
many of them far younger than he.
811
00:36:05,917 --> 00:36:09,886
But only one of them saw fit
to end his life.
812
00:36:10,394 --> 00:36:13,155
Only one of them saw fit
to sneak up behind him...
813
00:36:13,252 --> 00:36:16,866
I was with Roger Navarre
for a year and a half,
814
00:36:16,968 --> 00:36:19,703
and I drove Holly from Ohio to New York
815
00:36:19,804 --> 00:36:22,339
so she could shoot that monster.
Convict me.
816
00:36:22,364 --> 00:36:24,520
Order! We're in the middle
of closing arguments.
817
00:36:24,545 --> 00:36:26,409
The court officer will
remove this woman...
818
00:36:26,510 --> 00:36:28,178
I was with Roger Navarre
for seven months,
819
00:36:28,279 --> 00:36:29,846
and I bought the gun.
820
00:36:29,947 --> 00:36:31,414
Convict me.
821
00:36:31,515 --> 00:36:33,550
Order! I need this court
to come to order!
822
00:36:33,651 --> 00:36:35,619
I was with Roger Navarre
for almost a year.
823
00:36:35,720 --> 00:36:37,087
I paid for the bullets.
824
00:36:37,188 --> 00:36:38,355
Convict me.
825
00:36:38,456 --> 00:36:40,557
And I was with Roger Navarre
for ten months.
826
00:36:40,658 --> 00:36:42,158
I told Holly all about the funeral.
827
00:36:42,259 --> 00:36:43,793
Where it was. When it was.
828
00:36:43,894 --> 00:36:45,715
We're all as responsible as she is.
829
00:36:45,749 --> 00:36:46,764
If you convict Holly,
830
00:36:46,788 --> 00:36:48,264
you should convict us, too.
831
00:36:48,289 --> 00:36:50,823
I need these women to
be escorted from the courtroom
832
00:36:50,848 --> 00:36:52,281
and held in contempt.
833
00:36:52,306 --> 00:36:54,208
I need the accused
to be returned to holding.
834
00:36:54,271 --> 00:36:56,439
And I need the jury to be led back
835
00:36:56,464 --> 00:36:58,532
to the jury room so that I
can have a private conversation
836
00:36:58,709 --> 00:37:01,544
with counsel from both sides.
837
00:37:01,646 --> 00:37:04,275
I need this court to come to order!
838
00:37:05,317 --> 00:37:07,250
So, what's your pleasure, Ms. Conway?
839
00:37:07,351 --> 00:37:08,918
The jury is tainted.
840
00:37:08,943 --> 00:37:10,543
Are the People moving for a mistrial?
841
00:37:10,983 --> 00:37:13,456
I need a little time.
I need to call the D.A.
842
00:37:13,557 --> 00:37:15,291
May I have 20 minutes?
843
00:37:15,567 --> 00:37:18,461
Take an hour. I'll be in my chambers.
844
00:37:18,562 --> 00:37:20,063
Thank you, Your Honor.
845
00:37:20,164 --> 00:37:23,633
I'll be in the conference room
if anyone needs me.
846
00:37:24,802 --> 00:37:26,903
Well, you called it.
847
00:37:27,004 --> 00:37:28,905
Looks like it's gonna be a mistrial.
848
00:37:29,006 --> 00:37:30,540
Maybe.
849
00:37:30,641 --> 00:37:32,409
Maybe not.
850
00:37:35,079 --> 00:37:37,047
This room is being used.
851
00:37:38,516 --> 00:37:40,050
So, what's the verdict?
852
00:37:40,151 --> 00:37:42,919
Take a guess. I'm-I'm trying
to write the press release now.
853
00:37:44,674 --> 00:37:47,376
Ah, yes, so, the D.A.
wants a mistrial, right?
854
00:37:47,725 --> 00:37:48,958
Eh, why not?
855
00:37:49,060 --> 00:37:50,994
Another year, who's gonna complain
856
00:37:51,095 --> 00:37:53,697
that an accused killer
is staying behind bars
857
00:37:53,798 --> 00:37:56,066
even though there's been
no verdict rendered?
858
00:37:57,068 --> 00:37:59,733
Is there anything else?
'Cause I'm really busy.
859
00:37:59,758 --> 00:38:02,059
Yeah, actually, there's one more thing.
860
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,041
And I only mention this
because you're really good.
861
00:38:05,142 --> 00:38:07,010
You're very impressive.
862
00:38:07,035 --> 00:38:09,103
I've watched you work twice now,
863
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,448
and you've got what it takes.
864
00:38:12,817 --> 00:38:14,108
Okay.
865
00:38:14,752 --> 00:38:17,220
Nobody knows your name.
866
00:38:19,296 --> 00:38:21,983
You didn't come all this way
for a mistrial.
867
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,527
I know you're ambitious.
868
00:38:24,628 --> 00:38:26,596
I know you've got big plans.
869
00:38:26,697 --> 00:38:29,466
Maybe city attorney. Maybe mayor.
870
00:38:29,567 --> 00:38:31,434
Where are you going
with this conversation?
871
00:38:31,535 --> 00:38:32,869
Every challenge is a hidden opportunity.
872
00:38:32,970 --> 00:38:34,938
Okay, you know, I-I hear you selling,
873
00:38:35,017 --> 00:38:37,107
but I have no freaking idea
what the product is.
874
00:38:37,208 --> 00:38:40,009
Four women stood up in court
today and said, "I did it, too."
875
00:38:40,111 --> 00:38:41,811
How long you think
that's gonna stay secret?
876
00:38:42,150 --> 00:38:44,948
Well, the truth is that
only one woman is responsible
877
00:38:44,973 --> 00:38:46,540
for the death of Roger Navarre.
878
00:38:46,717 --> 00:38:48,317
The truth.
879
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,588
The truth is,
Roger Navarre ruined lives,
880
00:38:51,613 --> 00:38:53,881
and he was poised to ruin many more.
881
00:38:54,058 --> 00:38:55,358
He was a very bad man,
882
00:38:55,459 --> 00:38:57,794
and there are a lot of men
out there just like him.
883
00:38:57,895 --> 00:39:00,817
Women know the truth.
You know the truth.
884
00:39:01,817 --> 00:39:03,399
You're the prosecuting attorney,
885
00:39:03,424 --> 00:39:05,525
and you've just been handed a do-over.
886
00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:07,957
Don't you think,
knowing what you know...
887
00:39:08,608 --> 00:39:10,566
this would be a good time
to listen to your heart
888
00:39:10,591 --> 00:39:12,228
instead of your boss?
889
00:39:16,447 --> 00:39:17,983
Do the right thing.
890
00:39:18,449 --> 00:39:20,483
And, as an added benefit,
891
00:39:21,118 --> 00:39:23,317
you make a little noise for yourself.
892
00:39:32,129 --> 00:39:35,198
Due to a series of outbursts
in the courtroom today,
893
00:39:35,299 --> 00:39:37,667
a mistrial has been declared
in the matter
894
00:39:37,768 --> 00:39:40,336
of The People v. Holly Kerrigan.
895
00:39:40,437 --> 00:39:43,773
I want you to know that,
as the prosecuting attorney,
896
00:39:43,798 --> 00:39:47,367
I've elected not to retry
this case at this time,
897
00:39:47,545 --> 00:39:49,445
and have agreed to allow Ms. Kerrigan,
898
00:39:49,547 --> 00:39:51,447
subject to psychiatric evaluation
899
00:39:51,549 --> 00:39:53,483
and a willingness
to enter pretrial probation,
900
00:39:53,584 --> 00:39:55,451
to serve no jail time.
901
00:39:55,858 --> 00:39:58,321
This will spare the People
both the cost of a new trial
902
00:39:58,346 --> 00:40:01,048
and the expense
of Ms. Kerrigan's incarceration
903
00:40:01,225 --> 00:40:03,293
until such time as that trial begins.
904
00:40:03,726 --> 00:40:04,970
To be clear,
905
00:40:04,995 --> 00:40:09,399
while I do not condone
Ms. Kerrigan's actions...
906
00:40:10,935 --> 00:40:13,736
...it became apparent
over the course of the trial
907
00:40:13,761 --> 00:40:16,696
that her victim, Mr. Navarre,
908
00:40:16,721 --> 00:40:20,590
was, in fact,
an extremely dangerous predator.
909
00:40:21,108 --> 00:40:23,479
The kind of man who takes pleasure
910
00:40:23,504 --> 00:40:27,673
in laying waste to
young women's lives and futures.
911
00:40:27,852 --> 00:40:31,621
And while that does not excuse
what happened here,
912
00:40:31,646 --> 00:40:35,649
it does provide context
for Ms. Kerrigan's actions
913
00:40:35,674 --> 00:40:38,576
that we were heretofore unaware of.
914
00:40:40,707 --> 00:40:42,141
And for those of you
915
00:40:42,166 --> 00:40:46,442
who have never met
a man like Roger Navarre...
916
00:40:47,638 --> 00:40:49,650
just ask your wives...
917
00:40:50,741 --> 00:40:52,275
your daughters...
918
00:40:53,143 --> 00:40:54,525
your mothers...
919
00:40:55,246 --> 00:40:56,858
your girlfriends.
920
00:40:58,302 --> 00:41:00,903
I'm reasonably certain that they have.
921
00:41:03,754 --> 00:41:06,743
I'm Assistant District Attorney
Whitney Conway.
922
00:41:06,845 --> 00:41:08,024
Thanks for your attention.
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