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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:45,443 --> 00:00:47,878 Ms. Kerrigan? 2 00:00:48,642 --> 00:00:51,343 Ms. Kerrigan, can you hear me? 3 00:00:51,445 --> 00:00:55,674 Ms. Kerrigan, we need you to wake up and focus. 4 00:00:55,787 --> 00:00:57,616 You're gonna have some visitors soon. 5 00:00:57,717 --> 00:00:59,608 We need to talk before that happens. 6 00:01:03,223 --> 00:01:04,757 You tried to kill yourself. 7 00:01:04,858 --> 00:01:06,091 And before that, 8 00:01:06,193 --> 00:01:08,994 you killed a man named Roger Navarre 9 00:01:09,233 --> 00:01:11,397 in front of a lot of people. 10 00:01:11,498 --> 00:01:12,865 Do you remember that? 11 00:01:14,367 --> 00:01:16,435 You're in New York Sacred Heart Hospital. 12 00:01:16,536 --> 00:01:20,072 You've also been charged with first-degree murder. 13 00:01:20,173 --> 00:01:21,674 Guards are posted outside the door, 14 00:01:21,775 --> 00:01:23,876 and, well, they're gonna keep you here 15 00:01:23,977 --> 00:01:26,779 until they're reasonably certain that you won't harm yourself, 16 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:28,647 and then transfer you to a prison. 17 00:01:28,748 --> 00:01:30,616 And who are the two of you? 18 00:01:30,717 --> 00:01:32,718 My name's Dr. Jason Bull, I'm a psychologist. 19 00:01:32,819 --> 00:01:35,534 This is Benjamin Colón, and he is an attorney. 20 00:01:36,192 --> 00:01:38,424 The Women's Coalition of Manhattan asked us 21 00:01:38,525 --> 00:01:40,326 to come and meet you, see if you were interested 22 00:01:40,427 --> 00:01:42,394 in having us represent you. 23 00:01:42,496 --> 00:01:44,663 They have a fund for this kind of thing. 24 00:01:45,317 --> 00:01:46,866 Is that okay with you? 25 00:01:49,402 --> 00:01:51,737 The D.A. and a judge are on their way over. 26 00:01:51,915 --> 00:01:54,773 They're gonna hold an arraignment here in your hospital room. 27 00:01:54,875 --> 00:01:58,277 I don't know what that is. I don't know what that means. 28 00:01:58,302 --> 00:02:00,770 Well, an arraignment is a kind of court proceeding. 29 00:02:00,947 --> 00:02:03,215 It's where you'll formally be advised 30 00:02:03,316 --> 00:02:04,450 of the charges against you, 31 00:02:04,551 --> 00:02:07,353 which, we mentioned, are first-degree murder. 32 00:02:07,454 --> 00:02:09,688 They'll also ask you to enter a plea. 33 00:02:09,789 --> 00:02:12,091 Well, that's easy. I'm guilty. 34 00:02:12,268 --> 00:02:13,768 We didn't ask if you were guilty, 35 00:02:13,793 --> 00:02:16,729 we asked what your plea would be. 36 00:02:16,830 --> 00:02:20,232 The only answer to that question is: "Not guilty." 37 00:02:20,333 --> 00:02:23,102 Otherwise there is no point in going through this exercise. 38 00:02:23,203 --> 00:02:25,070 Well, that's fine with me. 39 00:02:25,171 --> 00:02:27,206 Let's not go through the exercise. 40 00:02:27,608 --> 00:02:30,042 I did it. Okay? I'm absolutely guilty. 41 00:02:30,143 --> 00:02:33,546 Hang me, give me the electric chair, give me the needle. 42 00:02:33,647 --> 00:02:35,214 Whatever it is that they do, I don't care. 43 00:02:35,315 --> 00:02:38,817 I just want them to do it to me. Quickly as possible, please. 44 00:02:43,089 --> 00:02:44,557 Did you know the man? 45 00:02:44,658 --> 00:02:45,824 Of course. 46 00:02:45,926 --> 00:02:47,126 Forgive me, 47 00:02:47,227 --> 00:02:49,595 but why did you choose to do it at a funeral? 48 00:02:49,966 --> 00:02:51,333 Did you know the girl? 49 00:02:51,358 --> 00:02:55,054 No, but he did. 50 00:02:55,143 --> 00:02:57,770 Roger Navarre? The hedge fund king? 51 00:02:57,871 --> 00:02:59,738 The philanthropist? The man you killed? 52 00:03:01,733 --> 00:03:04,276 You are aware of how the girl died, aren't you? 53 00:03:04,377 --> 00:03:06,145 That she killed herself? 54 00:03:06,246 --> 00:03:09,782 I'm very aware. And jealous. 55 00:03:11,484 --> 00:03:14,086 Okay. Let's start at the beginning. 56 00:03:14,187 --> 00:03:17,189 How did you and Roger Navarre even meet? 57 00:03:18,725 --> 00:03:22,227 When I was 14, my dance school in Ohio had auditions, 58 00:03:22,329 --> 00:03:24,630 and I won a spot at the Manhattan Ballet Academy. 59 00:03:25,665 --> 00:03:27,533 But unfortunately, my family 60 00:03:27,634 --> 00:03:29,442 didn't have the money to send me. 61 00:03:30,203 --> 00:03:31,904 I was about to give up hope of ever going 62 00:03:31,929 --> 00:03:33,963 when Roger Navarre called. 63 00:03:34,140 --> 00:03:36,942 He said he had seen my tape, he'd seen me dance, 64 00:03:37,043 --> 00:03:39,678 and he wanted to bring me to New York. 65 00:03:39,779 --> 00:03:43,716 To pay my tuition and find a place for me to live. 66 00:03:45,018 --> 00:03:47,252 The first year and a half was magical. 67 00:03:47,354 --> 00:03:49,588 I loved New York, I loved the school. 68 00:03:49,689 --> 00:03:51,056 The night before I went back home 69 00:03:51,157 --> 00:03:53,192 for Christmas break, Roger called. 70 00:03:53,293 --> 00:03:54,927 He said he wanted to take me to dinner 71 00:03:55,028 --> 00:03:57,429 and celebrate my success at the institute. 72 00:03:58,150 --> 00:04:00,065 It was an amazing restaurant. 73 00:04:00,166 --> 00:04:02,483 Amazing food, an amazing night. 74 00:04:03,036 --> 00:04:04,269 Oh, boy. 75 00:04:04,371 --> 00:04:06,138 I messed up. I have a holiday party 76 00:04:06,239 --> 00:04:07,873 I'm supposed to have been at a half hour ago. 77 00:04:07,974 --> 00:04:10,342 Wait. You don't mean you have to leave, do you? 78 00:04:10,443 --> 00:04:11,877 Yeah, I kind of do. 79 00:04:11,978 --> 00:04:13,479 It's a Broadway thing. 80 00:04:13,580 --> 00:04:16,483 I invest in a lot of shows. It's important that I say hi. 81 00:04:18,818 --> 00:04:20,218 I'd invite you to come along, but... 82 00:04:20,325 --> 00:04:22,521 Are they proofing people at the door? 83 00:04:23,067 --> 00:04:25,224 You know, I'm not as young as I look. 84 00:04:28,150 --> 00:04:31,330 The closer we got to the party, the more nervous I became. 85 00:04:31,431 --> 00:04:32,698 I started to have this feeling 86 00:04:32,799 --> 00:04:35,167 that maybe I had made the wrong choice. 87 00:04:35,268 --> 00:04:37,002 Maybe he was right, 88 00:04:37,103 --> 00:04:39,672 maybe this wasn't the type of party I should go to. 89 00:04:39,773 --> 00:04:41,874 You all right? You don't have to go. 90 00:04:42,882 --> 00:04:44,082 Oh, I... 91 00:04:44,107 --> 00:04:46,242 No, I-I guess I'm just a little anxious. 92 00:04:55,755 --> 00:04:57,690 What are you doing? 93 00:04:57,791 --> 00:04:59,124 Why are you taking that? 94 00:04:59,225 --> 00:05:00,526 You're not nervous, are you? 95 00:05:00,627 --> 00:05:02,661 Actually, I am. 96 00:05:02,686 --> 00:05:03,720 I'm with you. 97 00:05:03,897 --> 00:05:05,597 What are you talking about? 98 00:05:06,045 --> 00:05:07,712 You ever looked in the mirror? 99 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:21,180 It was the best night of my life. 100 00:05:21,567 --> 00:05:24,049 The next day, I went back to Ohio for Christmas break, 101 00:05:24,150 --> 00:05:26,719 but all I could think about was New York. 102 00:05:26,820 --> 00:05:28,921 All I could think about was Roger. 103 00:05:29,022 --> 00:05:30,756 I was in love. 104 00:05:30,857 --> 00:05:33,559 But the man was twice your age, wasn't he? 105 00:05:34,561 --> 00:05:36,929 Yeah. I guess. 106 00:05:37,030 --> 00:05:38,733 Or I was half of his. 107 00:05:39,442 --> 00:05:40,733 I don't know. 108 00:05:40,834 --> 00:05:42,201 That's not what it was about. 109 00:05:42,733 --> 00:05:45,204 So, you went home for Christmas. 110 00:05:45,305 --> 00:05:47,539 We talked every day on the phone. 111 00:05:47,858 --> 00:05:49,875 And the second I got back to New York, 112 00:05:49,900 --> 00:05:52,702 I went straight to his apartment instead of mine. 113 00:05:53,067 --> 00:05:55,180 I stayed there for two days. 114 00:05:55,525 --> 00:05:58,150 Would it be fair to say, at that point, you were a couple? 115 00:05:58,251 --> 00:06:00,233 I certainly thought so. 116 00:06:01,121 --> 00:06:02,955 He would take me to the ballet. 117 00:06:03,483 --> 00:06:06,358 He taught me about wine, bought me beautiful gifts. 118 00:06:06,383 --> 00:06:08,518 He even got me a passport and flew me to Paris. 119 00:06:08,695 --> 00:06:12,464 And that pill you took. Were there more of those? 120 00:06:13,352 --> 00:06:14,900 All the time. 121 00:06:15,735 --> 00:06:17,302 I know it seems like I should have known better, 122 00:06:17,403 --> 00:06:20,072 but he was just so charming, 123 00:06:20,173 --> 00:06:23,876 and I was living the life I always dreamed of living. 124 00:06:35,528 --> 00:06:36,895 What's that? 125 00:06:39,366 --> 00:06:41,400 Don't worry about that. 126 00:06:45,233 --> 00:06:47,432 He knew just what to do. 127 00:06:47,534 --> 00:06:48,940 Had it all figured out. 128 00:06:51,567 --> 00:06:53,939 He walked me to my appointment. 129 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:55,541 Everyone said it would be over pretty quickly 130 00:06:55,642 --> 00:06:56,975 and then it wasn't. 131 00:06:57,650 --> 00:06:59,638 They told me I would have to 132 00:06:59,711 --> 00:07:03,615 rest in bed for three to four weeks, which meant I couldn't dance. 133 00:07:04,784 --> 00:07:07,252 It was the end of the school year, 134 00:07:07,483 --> 00:07:09,721 when they have all the performances, and... 135 00:07:10,108 --> 00:07:11,290 I couldn't dance. 136 00:07:11,391 --> 00:07:13,792 So, of course the school calls 137 00:07:13,893 --> 00:07:16,775 and tells me I'm not invited back next year. 138 00:07:18,064 --> 00:07:19,965 It was heartbreaking. 139 00:07:20,066 --> 00:07:23,068 Everything I had worked for, dreamed for, 140 00:07:23,169 --> 00:07:24,670 all of it was being taken away. 141 00:07:24,771 --> 00:07:26,104 So what'd you do? 142 00:07:26,206 --> 00:07:28,140 I went to Roger for help. 143 00:07:28,241 --> 00:07:29,675 But he said his hands were tied. 144 00:07:29,776 --> 00:07:32,845 The school wasn't his, there wasn't anything he could do. 145 00:07:32,946 --> 00:07:35,848 So I packed my bags, went back to Ohio. 146 00:07:35,949 --> 00:07:37,850 Went back to high school. 147 00:07:38,358 --> 00:07:40,942 I drank a lot, drugged a lot. 148 00:07:41,354 --> 00:07:43,355 Got a job as a hostess in Cincinnati 149 00:07:43,456 --> 00:07:45,457 and I never heard from him again. 150 00:07:45,558 --> 00:07:47,593 But here you are, back in New York. 151 00:07:48,150 --> 00:07:51,330 But here I am... back in New York. 152 00:07:52,866 --> 00:07:56,368 About a year ago I started having pain... 153 00:07:56,469 --> 00:07:58,108 down there. 154 00:07:58,905 --> 00:08:01,607 Turns out it was a complication from the procedure, um, 155 00:08:01,708 --> 00:08:03,008 scar tissue. 156 00:08:03,109 --> 00:08:05,110 Something called Asherman's syndrome. 157 00:08:05,211 --> 00:08:07,312 It's very expensive to fix. 158 00:08:07,413 --> 00:08:10,682 So I called the doctor; He told me to come back to New York, 159 00:08:10,783 --> 00:08:13,218 let him have a look at it, see if he could correct it. 160 00:08:13,942 --> 00:08:18,156 I got on a bus, stayed at a hotel. 161 00:08:18,258 --> 00:08:19,825 And the morning of my doctor's appointment, 162 00:08:19,926 --> 00:08:21,293 I go to the office. 163 00:08:21,900 --> 00:08:24,129 And I'm about to give the receptionist my name 164 00:08:24,230 --> 00:08:26,064 when I see something. 165 00:08:28,101 --> 00:08:30,569 Behind her, I suddenly realized 166 00:08:30,670 --> 00:08:33,983 that I can see into this private office space. 167 00:08:34,974 --> 00:08:37,567 And at first I think I'm seeing things. 168 00:08:38,244 --> 00:08:43,081 Beyond her through the open door, there's Roger. 169 00:08:43,182 --> 00:08:46,118 Just sitting there, looking like a nervous puppy 170 00:08:46,219 --> 00:08:47,653 and I'm thinking to myself, 171 00:08:47,754 --> 00:08:51,256 what's he doing at a women's health practice? 172 00:08:51,357 --> 00:08:54,026 And after my appointment, I waited across the street 173 00:08:54,127 --> 00:08:56,295 for him to leave so I could get a better look 174 00:08:56,396 --> 00:08:58,430 and I saw he was with her. 175 00:08:59,532 --> 00:09:01,266 I'm sorry. He was with who? 176 00:09:01,367 --> 00:09:04,736 Emily. The girl who killed herself. 177 00:09:05,233 --> 00:09:06,972 Ah. 178 00:09:07,073 --> 00:09:11,109 So were you jealous? Is that what this was all about? 179 00:09:11,210 --> 00:09:13,445 No, I was enraged. 180 00:09:13,546 --> 00:09:15,480 I knew exactly why he brought her there. 181 00:09:15,581 --> 00:09:17,683 I could see the shame written all over her face. 182 00:09:17,784 --> 00:09:19,551 It was history repeating itself. 183 00:09:20,192 --> 00:09:23,255 I realized we were in a cycle. 184 00:09:23,356 --> 00:09:25,290 He used us both, he was done with us both, 185 00:09:25,391 --> 00:09:27,442 and this is how he cleaned up his mess. 186 00:09:28,067 --> 00:09:29,628 So, on the bus back to Ohio, 187 00:09:29,729 --> 00:09:31,730 I did something I hadn't done in four years. 188 00:09:31,831 --> 00:09:33,858 I looked him up online. 189 00:09:34,434 --> 00:09:36,234 I never wanted to know if he had replaced me 190 00:09:36,336 --> 00:09:38,370 with someone else, but... 191 00:09:38,471 --> 00:09:40,539 suddenly I was obsessed. 192 00:09:40,775 --> 00:09:44,109 And it turns out I was only one girl. 193 00:09:44,483 --> 00:09:46,311 It was at least four other girls, 194 00:09:46,412 --> 00:09:49,581 all the same pattern, all with him for six months to a year. 195 00:09:50,583 --> 00:09:53,185 And then the girls, the ones he would sponsor, 196 00:09:53,286 --> 00:09:56,688 would suddenly drop out of school, 197 00:09:56,789 --> 00:09:59,224 never to be heard of again, just... 198 00:09:59,325 --> 00:10:02,294 another girl who tried to make it in New York and couldn't. 199 00:10:02,395 --> 00:10:06,331 Another sweet young thing who hit her "sell by" date. 200 00:10:06,817 --> 00:10:09,601 Then I, um, read that 201 00:10:09,702 --> 00:10:11,236 Emily killed herself. 202 00:10:11,337 --> 00:10:13,705 And I knew he would go to the funeral. 203 00:10:17,110 --> 00:10:19,191 It's the district attorney and Judge Hopkins. 204 00:10:19,305 --> 00:10:20,812 May we come in? 205 00:10:21,192 --> 00:10:22,714 So, here we go, Holly. 206 00:10:22,815 --> 00:10:25,283 When they ask the question, you know what you have to answer. 207 00:10:25,942 --> 00:10:27,753 I'm guilty as hell. 208 00:10:29,856 --> 00:10:31,390 And proud of it. 209 00:10:35,395 --> 00:10:41,680 Synced & corrected by -robtor- www.addic7ed.com 210 00:10:43,685 --> 00:10:44,952 This is Rachel Carter. 211 00:10:45,053 --> 00:10:46,453 She is two years older than Holly, 212 00:10:46,554 --> 00:10:48,622 but she pretty much had the same experience. 213 00:10:48,723 --> 00:10:50,490 Here on scholarships 214 00:10:50,591 --> 00:10:51,825 sponsored by Navarre. 215 00:10:51,926 --> 00:10:54,361 Began a consensual affair, though it was 216 00:10:54,462 --> 00:10:56,563 technically illegal in the eyes of the law 217 00:10:56,664 --> 00:10:58,184 because she was just 16. 218 00:10:58,421 --> 00:11:00,475 - He get her pregnant? - Certainly did. 219 00:11:00,576 --> 00:11:03,444 Rachel explained he wasn't a fan of protection, 220 00:11:03,545 --> 00:11:05,413 and he was adamant that the pill was poison. 221 00:11:05,514 --> 00:11:07,415 How incredibly selfless of him. 222 00:11:07,516 --> 00:11:08,649 What a guy. 223 00:11:08,750 --> 00:11:10,084 Is she willing to talk to us? 224 00:11:10,185 --> 00:11:11,252 And does she know any other girls 225 00:11:11,353 --> 00:11:12,420 he was involved with? 226 00:11:12,521 --> 00:11:14,555 Yes and yes. 227 00:11:19,025 --> 00:11:21,206 Marissa said you wanted to see us? 228 00:11:21,231 --> 00:11:22,711 Yeah. Hey, guys. 229 00:11:22,795 --> 00:11:24,400 I think I may have come up with a defense. 230 00:11:24,501 --> 00:11:25,735 Hmm. 231 00:11:25,836 --> 00:11:27,770 Defense of others. 232 00:11:28,650 --> 00:11:30,173 Oh. 233 00:11:30,274 --> 00:11:32,074 Okay. 234 00:11:32,176 --> 00:11:35,711 I can't, for the life of me, see how that applies here. 235 00:11:35,813 --> 00:11:37,073 Uh, I second that. 236 00:11:37,098 --> 00:11:38,568 Well, there were other girls. 237 00:11:38,749 --> 00:11:39,949 We march them through the courtroom 238 00:11:40,050 --> 00:11:41,651 and we let them tell their stories. 239 00:11:41,752 --> 00:11:44,454 She did it for all of them. 240 00:11:44,555 --> 00:11:45,788 In defense of others. 241 00:11:45,889 --> 00:11:47,256 Oh, come on, Bull. You know that's not 242 00:11:47,357 --> 00:11:48,791 what defense of others means. 243 00:11:48,892 --> 00:11:50,927 We have no one to defend here. 244 00:11:51,028 --> 00:11:53,095 And that other victim was dead, lying in a coffin. 245 00:11:53,197 --> 00:11:55,264 Yeah, and the other girls that you're speaking about, 246 00:11:55,365 --> 00:11:57,567 they were presumably no longer involved with him. 247 00:11:57,668 --> 00:11:59,735 There was no need to defend them. 248 00:11:59,837 --> 00:12:02,371 Ha. You call yourselves lawyers. 249 00:12:02,473 --> 00:12:04,907 The reason there are judges, the reason there are courts, 250 00:12:05,008 --> 00:12:07,276 is because the law, to be effective, 251 00:12:07,377 --> 00:12:09,111 must be a living thing. 252 00:12:09,213 --> 00:12:11,080 Each case is its own creature. 253 00:12:11,181 --> 00:12:12,682 And that is why 254 00:12:12,783 --> 00:12:14,417 it has to be interpreted, 255 00:12:14,518 --> 00:12:16,652 not simply referenced and then applied. 256 00:12:16,753 --> 00:12:18,654 Now, I want to file a motion in limine 257 00:12:18,755 --> 00:12:19,956 and ask that judge for permission 258 00:12:20,057 --> 00:12:22,825 to put those other girls on the stand. 259 00:12:22,926 --> 00:12:28,164 Your Honor, in the matter of The People v. Holly Kerrigan, 260 00:12:28,265 --> 00:12:32,435 we contend that Holly Kerrigan killed Roger Navarre 261 00:12:32,536 --> 00:12:34,103 to prevent greater harm. 262 00:12:34,483 --> 00:12:36,506 We believe, in fact, that she was acting 263 00:12:36,607 --> 00:12:37,807 in defense of others. 264 00:12:37,908 --> 00:12:39,041 Now, 265 00:12:39,142 --> 00:12:40,810 in order for us to support this claim, 266 00:12:40,911 --> 00:12:42,979 we are asking for the court's permission to call 267 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,415 several of Roger Navarre's scholarship students. 268 00:12:46,517 --> 00:12:49,018 Now, they will testify that the late Mr. Navarre 269 00:12:49,119 --> 00:12:52,455 was involved in a systematic pattern of seducing 270 00:12:52,556 --> 00:12:57,159 and in many cases impregnating young women he sponsored 271 00:12:57,261 --> 00:13:00,930 at a variety of art institutions here in New York. 272 00:13:01,031 --> 00:13:03,332 15-year-olds, 16-year-olds 273 00:13:03,433 --> 00:13:05,968 upending their lives and destroying their futures. 274 00:13:06,069 --> 00:13:07,703 Doing irreparable harm 275 00:13:07,804 --> 00:13:10,339 to their physical and mental health. 276 00:13:10,858 --> 00:13:13,075 A.D.A. Conway, your thoughts? 277 00:13:13,176 --> 00:13:14,644 Your Honor. 278 00:13:14,745 --> 00:13:16,579 The People don't dispute the fact 279 00:13:16,680 --> 00:13:19,482 that Roger Navarre may have been a predator. 280 00:13:19,583 --> 00:13:21,784 But that alone does not give Ms. Kerrigan license 281 00:13:21,885 --> 00:13:24,987 to gun him down in a church full of mourners. 282 00:13:25,164 --> 00:13:26,811 These women's experiences 283 00:13:26,836 --> 00:13:28,658 are irrelevant to the crime 284 00:13:28,683 --> 00:13:30,083 Ms. Kerrigan is accused of. 285 00:13:30,260 --> 00:13:31,994 In fact, we strongly doubt that Ms. Kerrigan 286 00:13:32,095 --> 00:13:33,722 has ever even met these women before. 287 00:13:34,192 --> 00:13:37,767 And that is why the People strongly urge the court 288 00:13:37,792 --> 00:13:39,926 to deny the defendant's motion. 289 00:13:40,103 --> 00:13:42,542 Before I make my ruling, 290 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,107 I'd like to hear from at least one of these women. 291 00:13:45,858 --> 00:13:48,477 Would you please tell the court your name? 292 00:13:48,579 --> 00:13:50,279 My name is Rachel Carter. 293 00:13:50,380 --> 00:13:53,349 And what is your connection to Roger Navarre? 294 00:13:53,450 --> 00:13:58,120 Well, I had a number of connections to Mr. Navarre. 295 00:13:58,221 --> 00:14:00,122 I first met him when I applied 296 00:14:00,223 --> 00:14:02,525 to the Manhattan Institute of Ballet. 297 00:14:02,626 --> 00:14:04,627 He saw a tape of my audition, 298 00:14:04,728 --> 00:14:07,263 heard I'd been accepted, and then reached out to me 299 00:14:07,364 --> 00:14:09,532 and offered to help with expenses. 300 00:14:09,900 --> 00:14:12,401 I was very grateful. 301 00:14:12,442 --> 00:14:14,610 And then, over time, 302 00:14:14,635 --> 00:14:17,737 the relationship became more personal. 303 00:14:18,317 --> 00:14:19,875 Romantic? 304 00:14:19,977 --> 00:14:22,178 I believed so at the time. 305 00:14:22,203 --> 00:14:24,504 Looking back, from Roger's point of view, 306 00:14:24,681 --> 00:14:27,650 I'm sure it was fundamentally sexual. 307 00:14:27,675 --> 00:14:29,885 Now, let's start from the beginning. 308 00:14:29,987 --> 00:14:34,156 When Roger Navarre first reached out, you were how old? 309 00:14:34,257 --> 00:14:36,225 I was 14 years old. 310 00:14:36,326 --> 00:14:38,614 Okay, and then you moved to New York, 311 00:14:38,710 --> 00:14:41,263 and about how long before the nature 312 00:14:41,365 --> 00:14:42,965 of the relationship changed? 313 00:14:43,442 --> 00:14:46,035 About a year and a half. 314 00:14:46,136 --> 00:14:49,105 He called me one night, asked if I'd ever been to an opera. 315 00:14:49,206 --> 00:14:50,773 I, of course, had not. 316 00:14:50,874 --> 00:14:53,709 Not many operas pass through Chaney, Texas, where I'm from. 317 00:14:53,810 --> 00:14:56,812 And opera tickets here in New York are very pricey. 318 00:14:56,913 --> 00:14:59,115 And you went to Lincoln Center and saw what? 319 00:14:59,216 --> 00:15:04,153 Flew on his private jet to San Francisco to see La bohème. 320 00:15:04,178 --> 00:15:05,879 Wow. 321 00:15:06,056 --> 00:15:08,691 So, did the relationship change that night? 322 00:15:09,233 --> 00:15:11,108 I wanted it to. 323 00:15:12,067 --> 00:15:16,165 I was so consumed by all of it. By him. 324 00:15:16,567 --> 00:15:19,780 But no. He really took his time. 325 00:15:19,804 --> 00:15:21,637 Really won my trust. 326 00:15:22,233 --> 00:15:25,374 I think he wanted me to believe it was all my idea. 327 00:15:26,608 --> 00:15:29,567 I had never been with anyone at that point in my life. 328 00:15:30,033 --> 00:15:32,982 Anyway, it was about two months later. 329 00:15:33,083 --> 00:15:34,383 We were on a boat, 330 00:15:34,484 --> 00:15:37,150 a sailboat that belonged to a friend of his, 331 00:15:38,317 --> 00:15:39,922 out in the middle of the ocean. 332 00:15:40,023 --> 00:15:42,758 I had never done anything like that. 333 00:15:42,859 --> 00:15:45,261 Everywhere you looked, you only saw water. 334 00:15:45,362 --> 00:15:47,229 No land. 335 00:15:47,525 --> 00:15:49,650 I found it very freeing. 336 00:15:50,650 --> 00:15:52,702 I'll let you figure out the rest. 337 00:15:52,803 --> 00:15:54,637 And was there alcohol involved? 338 00:15:54,738 --> 00:15:55,738 Yes. 339 00:15:55,772 --> 00:15:57,511 - And drugs? - Yes. 340 00:15:57,536 --> 00:15:59,065 And you were how old at this point? 341 00:15:59,309 --> 00:16:00,602 16. 342 00:16:00,627 --> 00:16:03,575 And when the two of you had sex, did he use protection? 343 00:16:03,780 --> 00:16:05,081 He didn't like that. 344 00:16:05,182 --> 00:16:07,016 So, what happened? 345 00:16:07,503 --> 00:16:09,137 How did it end? 346 00:16:11,421 --> 00:16:14,223 Little less than a year later, I got pregnant. 347 00:16:14,900 --> 00:16:16,959 He said he'd take care of the whole thing, 348 00:16:17,060 --> 00:16:18,994 be with me the whole time. 349 00:16:19,592 --> 00:16:21,292 Truth is... 350 00:16:21,317 --> 00:16:22,631 Truth was 351 00:16:22,733 --> 00:16:24,800 I didn't want it to be taken care of. 352 00:16:25,317 --> 00:16:27,937 I had this crazy teenaged idea 353 00:16:28,038 --> 00:16:30,406 that we'd get married and travel the world. 354 00:16:30,858 --> 00:16:32,942 Just keep doing what we were doing, 355 00:16:33,043 --> 00:16:36,178 except I wouldn't be in school, and we'd have this baby. 356 00:16:36,817 --> 00:16:38,447 Made perfect sense to me. 357 00:16:38,548 --> 00:16:40,249 Really freaked him out. 358 00:16:40,733 --> 00:16:42,051 He said no. 359 00:16:42,152 --> 00:16:43,886 It had to be taken care of. 360 00:16:44,692 --> 00:16:47,189 Two weeks later, I... 361 00:16:47,525 --> 00:16:48,858 get a letter 362 00:16:48,959 --> 00:16:52,428 explaining that his "assistance" had run its course. 363 00:16:52,529 --> 00:16:55,498 That I was free to apply to other benefactors 364 00:16:55,599 --> 00:16:56,966 should I so choose 365 00:16:57,067 --> 00:16:59,902 but that his assistance was no longer available to me. 366 00:17:00,003 --> 00:17:01,403 So what did you do? 367 00:17:01,505 --> 00:17:04,540 I withdrew from school. Got a place of my own. 368 00:17:04,641 --> 00:17:06,075 Got a job dancing. 369 00:17:06,525 --> 00:17:07,710 Dancing? 370 00:17:08,317 --> 00:17:11,113 I lied about my age, got a job dancing. 371 00:17:11,214 --> 00:17:13,716 Topless. Then nude. 372 00:17:13,817 --> 00:17:16,485 Now I do photography and modeling. 373 00:17:16,586 --> 00:17:18,754 Adult modeling. 374 00:17:18,855 --> 00:17:20,990 I see. Thank you. 375 00:17:21,091 --> 00:17:22,658 No further questions, Your Honor. 376 00:17:23,233 --> 00:17:25,060 Here comes the moment of truth. 377 00:17:25,162 --> 00:17:26,462 Thank you, Ms. Carter, 378 00:17:27,002 --> 00:17:28,983 for telling the court your story. 379 00:17:30,940 --> 00:17:32,374 Your Honor, 380 00:17:32,569 --> 00:17:36,305 we're all sorry for what happened to Ms. Carter. 381 00:17:36,650 --> 00:17:38,941 And I understand that the defense 382 00:17:39,042 --> 00:17:40,643 has lined up additional witnesses 383 00:17:40,744 --> 00:17:42,545 with similar accounts. 384 00:17:42,646 --> 00:17:46,282 But the fact remains that none of this is relevant. 385 00:17:46,383 --> 00:17:48,150 Moreover, its probative value 386 00:17:48,251 --> 00:17:50,052 is far outweighed by the prejudicial effect 387 00:17:50,153 --> 00:17:51,821 it would have on the jury. 388 00:17:51,922 --> 00:17:53,155 This kind of evidence, 389 00:17:53,256 --> 00:17:55,524 these kinds of witnesses need to be excluded. 390 00:17:55,625 --> 00:17:57,359 Your Honor, with all due respect... 391 00:17:57,460 --> 00:18:01,163 While I am not unsympathetic to the facts, 392 00:18:01,264 --> 00:18:03,999 I have to make my ruling based on the law. 393 00:18:04,100 --> 00:18:06,969 And the law agrees with A.D.A. Conway. 394 00:18:07,525 --> 00:18:09,505 We're not here to judge whether 395 00:18:09,606 --> 00:18:12,007 the late Mr. Navarre was an honorable man 396 00:18:12,108 --> 00:18:13,642 or not. We are here 397 00:18:13,743 --> 00:18:17,233 to decide whether Ms. Kerrigan acted in defense of others. 398 00:18:17,881 --> 00:18:20,049 And there is nothing in the testimony that I heard 399 00:18:20,150 --> 00:18:21,750 that suggests that is the case. 400 00:18:21,852 --> 00:18:24,942 And for that reason, your motion in limine is denied. 401 00:18:44,694 --> 00:18:46,594 It's not really all that bad. 402 00:18:46,696 --> 00:18:47,729 Yeah, it is. 403 00:18:48,452 --> 00:18:50,041 - Yeah, it is. - Okay. 404 00:18:50,143 --> 00:18:51,676 I asked 405 00:18:51,701 --> 00:18:52,901 Marissa to reach out to all the women 406 00:18:53,002 --> 00:18:54,602 who were involved with Roger Navarre, 407 00:18:54,704 --> 00:18:57,005 see if they would be available to sit in court 408 00:18:57,106 --> 00:18:58,773 once the trial begins. 409 00:18:58,874 --> 00:19:00,809 But it's COVID. No public allowed. 410 00:19:00,910 --> 00:19:02,977 Yes. I know. And I am gonna go to the judge, 411 00:19:03,079 --> 00:19:04,446 and I'm gonna make a special plea. 412 00:19:04,547 --> 00:19:06,848 Since these women were not allowed to testify, 413 00:19:06,949 --> 00:19:09,217 they should at least be allowed to witness the trial. 414 00:19:09,318 --> 00:19:10,785 The trial of a woman who suffered 415 00:19:10,886 --> 00:19:12,687 at the hands of the same man they did. 416 00:19:12,788 --> 00:19:16,224 And I will argue it will help their mental well-being. 417 00:19:16,900 --> 00:19:18,560 That's awfully nice of you. 418 00:19:18,661 --> 00:19:21,229 Going to bat with the judge to make that happen. 419 00:19:21,330 --> 00:19:22,697 There's nothing nice about it. 420 00:19:22,798 --> 00:19:24,566 I want them sitting in that gallery. 421 00:19:24,667 --> 00:19:26,368 I want the jury wondering about them. 422 00:19:26,469 --> 00:19:27,936 And I want you to find a moment 423 00:19:28,037 --> 00:19:29,971 to point them out, to indicate 424 00:19:30,072 --> 00:19:34,309 that they went through the same version of hell 425 00:19:34,334 --> 00:19:36,035 that Holly went through. 426 00:19:36,212 --> 00:19:38,646 Agent Sturgeon, when did Ms. Kerrigan 427 00:19:38,748 --> 00:19:40,949 come to the FBI offices to meet with you? 428 00:19:41,050 --> 00:19:42,884 Holly Kerrigan first came to meet me 429 00:19:42,985 --> 00:19:44,372 a little over a year ago. 430 00:19:44,447 --> 00:19:46,207 And what was the purpose of that visit? 431 00:19:46,313 --> 00:19:47,789 She alleged that Roger Navarre 432 00:19:47,890 --> 00:19:49,924 had committed statutory rape on her person 433 00:19:49,949 --> 00:19:52,384 and, additionally, had provided illegal substances 434 00:19:52,561 --> 00:19:53,928 to a minor... her... 435 00:19:54,029 --> 00:19:57,098 Over a period of about 18 months. 436 00:19:57,199 --> 00:19:59,033 And what did you do with that information? 437 00:19:59,135 --> 00:20:00,301 Well, I opened 438 00:20:00,403 --> 00:20:02,570 a case file, started looking into Mr. Navarre. 439 00:20:02,671 --> 00:20:04,672 Tried to determine if there was any truth 440 00:20:04,774 --> 00:20:06,474 to what Ms. Kerrigan alleged. 441 00:20:06,575 --> 00:20:08,309 And opening up a case file, 442 00:20:08,411 --> 00:20:11,846 looking into someone like Roger Navarre, 443 00:20:11,947 --> 00:20:14,516 can you tell us what that entails? 444 00:20:14,617 --> 00:20:15,850 Let me be clear. 445 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,586 We didn't take these allegations lightly. 446 00:20:19,150 --> 00:20:21,389 But investigations like this 447 00:20:21,817 --> 00:20:24,659 can go on for months, sometimes years. 448 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,328 You have to make sure you have all of your ducks in a row 449 00:20:27,430 --> 00:20:29,297 before you start indicting people, 450 00:20:29,398 --> 00:20:31,399 particularly people as well-connected 451 00:20:31,500 --> 00:20:32,834 as Roger Navarre. 452 00:20:33,317 --> 00:20:34,636 And did the defendant 453 00:20:34,737 --> 00:20:36,905 continue to communicate with you? 454 00:20:36,930 --> 00:20:39,131 Yes, we spoke on a number of occasions. 455 00:20:39,567 --> 00:20:42,744 She would call and email from Ohio. 456 00:20:42,769 --> 00:20:45,871 And what was the purpose of these calls and emails? 457 00:20:46,048 --> 00:20:48,416 Did she have additional information to offer 458 00:20:48,517 --> 00:20:50,552 about Roger Navarre? 459 00:20:50,653 --> 00:20:52,320 It's-it's my understanding that, 460 00:20:52,421 --> 00:20:54,556 at that point, they were no longer communicating. 461 00:20:54,657 --> 00:20:56,404 Not for years. 462 00:20:56,504 --> 00:20:58,793 No, the purpose of these calls and emails 463 00:20:58,894 --> 00:21:00,695 was primarily to express her impatience 464 00:21:00,796 --> 00:21:02,130 with the investigation. 465 00:21:02,583 --> 00:21:04,866 Her frustration with the process. 466 00:21:04,967 --> 00:21:08,169 And, I suppose, her frustration with me. 467 00:21:08,270 --> 00:21:11,206 So were you surprised 468 00:21:11,307 --> 00:21:13,541 when she took matters into her own hands? 469 00:21:14,214 --> 00:21:16,044 No. Not entirely. 470 00:21:16,145 --> 00:21:17,512 Thank you, Agent Sturgeon. 471 00:21:17,613 --> 00:21:19,214 No further questions. 472 00:21:27,189 --> 00:21:28,990 Good morning, Agent Sturgeon. 473 00:21:29,015 --> 00:21:30,048 Good morning. 474 00:21:30,226 --> 00:21:32,026 Now, point in fact, 475 00:21:32,051 --> 00:21:34,520 my client Holly Kerrigan wasn't the only person 476 00:21:34,545 --> 00:21:37,417 that came to see you about Roger Navarre, was she? 477 00:21:37,566 --> 00:21:39,100 I believe it's time for an objection. 478 00:21:39,201 --> 00:21:40,635 Objection, Your Honor! 479 00:21:40,736 --> 00:21:42,036 Relevance? 480 00:21:42,061 --> 00:21:43,162 Your Honor, 481 00:21:43,339 --> 00:21:45,173 it's the A.D.A. who called the witness 482 00:21:45,274 --> 00:21:47,275 and opened the door to the fact that the FBI 483 00:21:47,376 --> 00:21:50,445 opened up an investigation on Roger Navarre. 484 00:21:50,546 --> 00:21:52,013 Objection overruled. 485 00:21:52,821 --> 00:21:55,122 The witness will answer the question. 486 00:21:55,417 --> 00:21:57,252 I'm sorry, what was the question? 487 00:21:57,353 --> 00:21:59,153 Well, let me refresh your memory. 488 00:21:59,255 --> 00:22:01,756 I was asking if my client, Holly Kerrigan, 489 00:22:01,857 --> 00:22:04,292 was the only person who came to the Bureau 490 00:22:04,393 --> 00:22:05,860 about Roger Navarre? 491 00:22:06,862 --> 00:22:08,096 No, she was not. 492 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,798 No, in fact, a number of other women 493 00:22:10,900 --> 00:22:13,268 came to see you personally to file 494 00:22:13,369 --> 00:22:15,303 similar complaints against Mr. Navarre. 495 00:22:15,404 --> 00:22:17,105 Isn't that correct? 496 00:22:17,483 --> 00:22:18,907 Yes, that's correct. 497 00:22:19,275 --> 00:22:21,242 And I know they are wearing masks, 498 00:22:21,343 --> 00:22:23,645 but perhaps you can point out, uh, 499 00:22:23,670 --> 00:22:26,004 the ones that you have spoken to in the past? 500 00:22:26,127 --> 00:22:27,962 Again, Your Honor, what is the relevance 501 00:22:27,990 --> 00:22:29,390 of this line of questioning? 502 00:22:29,484 --> 00:22:31,218 It sounds to me like the defense is intentionally 503 00:22:31,259 --> 00:22:33,083 making a mockery of your earlier order 504 00:22:33,108 --> 00:22:35,076 not to hear testimony from anyone who may have been 505 00:22:35,101 --> 00:22:36,935 involved with the late Mr. Navarre. 506 00:22:37,105 --> 00:22:38,706 My goodness, A.D.A. Conway 507 00:22:38,731 --> 00:22:40,031 has quite a temper. 508 00:22:40,142 --> 00:22:42,042 Objection sustained. 509 00:22:42,237 --> 00:22:45,239 The jury will disregard any remarks regarding the women 510 00:22:45,264 --> 00:22:46,364 seated in the gallery. 511 00:22:46,817 --> 00:22:48,836 And I'm putting the defense on notice. 512 00:22:48,861 --> 00:22:50,695 Any further shenanigans of this type, 513 00:22:50,873 --> 00:22:52,307 and I will rescind 514 00:22:52,332 --> 00:22:54,233 my invitation to these observers. 515 00:22:54,410 --> 00:22:55,877 Am I clear? 516 00:22:56,317 --> 00:22:57,879 Very clear, Your Honor. 517 00:22:57,980 --> 00:23:00,048 Any more questions for the witness? 518 00:23:00,149 --> 00:23:01,525 No, Your Honor. 519 00:23:03,067 --> 00:23:05,186 I believe we covered it all. 520 00:23:05,287 --> 00:23:07,288 Yes, I believe we have. 521 00:23:11,900 --> 00:23:13,400 She's all dressed. 522 00:23:20,733 --> 00:23:22,270 Holly, I meant to ask you this morning, 523 00:23:22,371 --> 00:23:24,405 how was your first night in prison? 524 00:23:24,430 --> 00:23:26,064 It was fine. 525 00:23:26,241 --> 00:23:28,810 They had me all by myself and there's cameras. 526 00:23:28,911 --> 00:23:31,567 Nobody wants me to kill myself when they're not looking. 527 00:23:33,749 --> 00:23:36,684 Holly, there's something I want you to think about tonight. 528 00:23:38,354 --> 00:23:39,721 You're very good at telling people that, 529 00:23:39,822 --> 00:23:41,189 without Roger Navarre, 530 00:23:41,290 --> 00:23:43,024 you never would have come to New York City, 531 00:23:43,125 --> 00:23:44,659 you never would have learned to dance. 532 00:23:45,574 --> 00:23:48,067 But did it ever occur to you that, without Roger Navarre... 533 00:23:48,797 --> 00:23:50,765 ...you never would have picked up a gun? 534 00:23:50,866 --> 00:23:52,233 You never would have shot someone. 535 00:23:52,334 --> 00:23:55,436 You never would have spent a single night in prison. 536 00:23:55,858 --> 00:23:58,873 If Roger Navarre had not come 537 00:23:58,974 --> 00:24:01,817 into your life, if he had not done the things that he did, 538 00:24:02,578 --> 00:24:05,079 your life would be very different. 539 00:24:05,180 --> 00:24:08,108 And don't you think that's a point worth making to this jury? 540 00:24:08,441 --> 00:24:10,342 Don't you think your own life is worth fighting for? 541 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,321 Prison van's here. 542 00:24:14,623 --> 00:24:15,790 I'll see you in the morning. 543 00:24:15,898 --> 00:24:17,659 See you in the morning, Holly. 544 00:24:28,773 --> 00:24:29,871 Ah. 545 00:24:29,972 --> 00:24:31,339 It's my favorite fiancée. 546 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:32,840 Hello, my dear. 547 00:24:32,941 --> 00:24:35,043 I'm on my way home. Your brother says hi. 548 00:24:35,144 --> 00:24:37,612 What do you mean, your "favorite" fiancée? 549 00:24:37,713 --> 00:24:38,946 You win. 550 00:24:39,048 --> 00:24:40,415 You're not my favorite. 551 00:24:40,516 --> 00:24:42,784 Now I feel bad. You sound like you're in a good mood. 552 00:24:42,885 --> 00:24:44,118 Why? What's going on? 553 00:24:44,219 --> 00:24:47,055 I take it that you haven't seen the news? 554 00:24:47,156 --> 00:24:49,891 I DVR'd something I thought you'd want to know about. 555 00:24:49,992 --> 00:24:52,126 And in legal news, turns out 556 00:24:52,227 --> 00:24:54,228 that Holly Kerrigan, the young woman who shot 557 00:24:54,329 --> 00:24:57,965 and killed billionaire hedge fund manager Roger Navarre 558 00:24:58,067 --> 00:24:59,400 in front of 30-odd witnesses 559 00:24:59,501 --> 00:25:01,602 at the funeral of a friend, 560 00:25:01,704 --> 00:25:04,138 has a complicated mental health history. 561 00:25:04,239 --> 00:25:07,608 Investigators for the Manhattan Daily Journal discovered 562 00:25:07,710 --> 00:25:10,945 that she spent time in no less than three Ohio mental health 563 00:25:11,046 --> 00:25:13,281 and drug rehabilitation facilities 564 00:25:13,382 --> 00:25:15,483 prior to her 20th birthday. 565 00:25:15,942 --> 00:25:17,452 Did you get all that? 566 00:25:17,553 --> 00:25:19,821 Yeah. We got it. 567 00:25:19,922 --> 00:25:21,656 All right, I'll see you in a little bit? 568 00:25:21,757 --> 00:25:23,858 See you in a bit. 569 00:25:24,827 --> 00:25:26,194 Well... 570 00:25:26,295 --> 00:25:27,762 they didn't waste any time. 571 00:25:27,863 --> 00:25:29,764 You think the D.A.'s office put that out there? 572 00:25:29,865 --> 00:25:31,899 Please, it's right from the playbook. 573 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,968 The second we get a little traction 574 00:25:34,069 --> 00:25:37,572 by having those five previous victims in the courtroom... 575 00:25:44,932 --> 00:25:47,727 Okay. I think, at this point, it's safe to assume 576 00:25:47,752 --> 00:25:49,920 the jury knows that you have spent some time in rehab, 577 00:25:50,021 --> 00:25:52,189 as well as some other institutions, 578 00:25:52,567 --> 00:25:54,267 because of your mental health issues. 579 00:25:54,368 --> 00:25:57,003 The depression and the suicidal thoughts. 580 00:25:57,912 --> 00:26:00,474 Okay. But isn't that just more evidence, 581 00:26:00,575 --> 00:26:03,043 more proof that what happened to me actually happened to me? 582 00:26:03,144 --> 00:26:05,045 Okay, I promise you, I never would have needed to go 583 00:26:05,146 --> 00:26:07,214 to those places if I hadn't met Roger Navarre. 584 00:26:07,315 --> 00:26:08,815 Sadly, almost certainly, 585 00:26:08,916 --> 00:26:11,218 the jury isn't gonna look at it that way. 586 00:26:11,319 --> 00:26:13,587 That's why I want to discuss a different strategy with you. 587 00:26:15,723 --> 00:26:17,524 We would like you to consider 588 00:26:17,625 --> 00:26:20,127 allowing us to pursue an insanity defense. 589 00:26:21,395 --> 00:26:23,096 But I'm not insane. 590 00:26:23,197 --> 00:26:26,466 Okay, killing Roger wasn't just some crazy, impetuous act. 591 00:26:26,567 --> 00:26:28,268 In some ways, it was the single most rational thing 592 00:26:28,369 --> 00:26:29,903 I've ever done in my life. 593 00:26:30,004 --> 00:26:31,972 And I don't want to spend the rest of my life in an asylum. 594 00:26:32,073 --> 00:26:33,907 Or in a prison, for that matter. 595 00:26:34,333 --> 00:26:36,400 Well, that's good to hear, Holly. 596 00:26:37,311 --> 00:26:39,112 That sounds like progress. 597 00:26:40,057 --> 00:26:41,891 Sounds like someone who's starting to care 598 00:26:41,916 --> 00:26:45,585 about what happens to them the day after the trial is over. 599 00:26:46,730 --> 00:26:47,897 Holly, 600 00:26:47,922 --> 00:26:50,157 choosing to mount an insanity defense 601 00:26:50,258 --> 00:26:52,225 does not mean that you're insane. 602 00:26:52,326 --> 00:26:55,796 It only means that you weren't capable of rational thought, 603 00:26:55,897 --> 00:26:58,131 of understanding the difference between right and wrong 604 00:26:58,232 --> 00:27:00,367 when you chose to kill Roger Navarre. 605 00:27:00,468 --> 00:27:02,669 And if the jury decides to accept our defense 606 00:27:02,770 --> 00:27:04,004 when they deliberate, 607 00:27:04,105 --> 00:27:05,405 it often means, 608 00:27:05,506 --> 00:27:07,507 after a proper examination 609 00:27:07,608 --> 00:27:09,576 and you are found to be of sound mind, 610 00:27:09,677 --> 00:27:11,678 that you will be free to live the rest of your life 611 00:27:11,779 --> 00:27:12,983 as a free woman. 612 00:27:14,067 --> 00:27:15,715 What do you think? 613 00:27:16,483 --> 00:27:18,775 I really think this is the move here. 614 00:27:19,692 --> 00:27:21,855 Now that the prosecution has rested their case 615 00:27:21,956 --> 00:27:24,524 and the defense is about to begin presenting theirs, 616 00:27:24,625 --> 00:27:26,927 I've been informed that Ms. Kerrigan 617 00:27:27,028 --> 00:27:28,361 would like to change her plea 618 00:27:28,462 --> 00:27:30,464 to "not guilty by reason of insanity." 619 00:27:31,522 --> 00:27:32,933 I need the jury to understand 620 00:27:33,034 --> 00:27:35,035 that this is simply an added option when it comes time 621 00:27:35,136 --> 00:27:36,770 to making a decision. 622 00:27:36,871 --> 00:27:38,905 You can still find the defendant guilty, 623 00:27:39,006 --> 00:27:40,740 find the defendant innocent, 624 00:27:40,842 --> 00:27:43,210 or, if you feel she meets the threshold requirements... 625 00:27:43,311 --> 00:27:45,579 Which we will discuss during deliberations... 626 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,108 Not guilty by reason of insanity. 627 00:27:48,749 --> 00:27:50,083 All right, then. 628 00:27:50,184 --> 00:27:51,351 Mr. Colón, 629 00:27:51,452 --> 00:27:52,919 you may call your first witness. 630 00:27:53,020 --> 00:27:54,521 Dr. Diposo, 631 00:27:54,622 --> 00:27:57,490 would you please tell the jury what it is you do for a living? 632 00:27:57,983 --> 00:28:01,161 I'm what they call a forensic psychiatrist. 633 00:28:01,262 --> 00:28:03,563 I deal primarily in the assessment 634 00:28:03,664 --> 00:28:06,233 and treatment of people in prisons, 635 00:28:06,334 --> 00:28:08,635 people in psychiatric hospitals, 636 00:28:08,736 --> 00:28:11,705 and occasionally individuals among the general public 637 00:28:11,806 --> 00:28:13,673 who have mental health issues. 638 00:28:13,774 --> 00:28:16,810 And are you familiar with Holly Kerrigan? 639 00:28:16,911 --> 00:28:18,211 Yes, I am. 640 00:28:18,312 --> 00:28:20,614 In fact, I met with her personally this morning. 641 00:28:20,715 --> 00:28:22,883 In addition, I've studied the records 642 00:28:22,984 --> 00:28:24,684 of the crime of which she's accused. 643 00:28:24,785 --> 00:28:26,973 Transcripts, police reports, 644 00:28:27,072 --> 00:28:28,622 evidence files. 645 00:28:29,067 --> 00:28:31,825 And have you come to any opinion 646 00:28:31,926 --> 00:28:34,694 regarding Ms. Kerrigan's mental health 647 00:28:34,795 --> 00:28:39,165 in the hours, days or even weeks surrounding the killing? 648 00:28:39,267 --> 00:28:40,500 I have. 649 00:28:40,601 --> 00:28:42,769 Based on everything that I've reviewed, 650 00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:45,038 it seems fairly obvious to me 651 00:28:45,139 --> 00:28:46,806 that, prior to the killing, 652 00:28:46,908 --> 00:28:51,278 she was suffering from a profound case of PTSD 653 00:28:51,379 --> 00:28:55,282 stemming from both her relationship with Mr. Navarre 654 00:28:55,383 --> 00:28:57,284 and its aftermath. 655 00:28:57,385 --> 00:29:00,420 And in the days and weeks leading up to 656 00:29:00,445 --> 00:29:02,947 and including the killing, 657 00:29:03,124 --> 00:29:08,128 I believe her behavior fits the legal definition of insanity. 658 00:29:08,229 --> 00:29:11,564 Right. I-It... You hear about PTSD all the time. 659 00:29:11,666 --> 00:29:13,233 Seems like it's everywhere. 660 00:29:13,334 --> 00:29:14,634 Is it even real? 661 00:29:14,735 --> 00:29:16,803 Does such a thing actually exist? 662 00:29:16,904 --> 00:29:19,205 Oh, it absolutely exists. 663 00:29:19,307 --> 00:29:21,007 In fact, it's been recognized 664 00:29:21,108 --> 00:29:23,143 for over a century under different names. 665 00:29:23,244 --> 00:29:26,613 In World War I, they called it "shellshock." 666 00:29:26,714 --> 00:29:28,148 In World War II, 667 00:29:28,173 --> 00:29:30,741 they referred to it as "battle fatigue." 668 00:29:30,766 --> 00:29:32,133 It's all the same thing. 669 00:29:32,158 --> 00:29:34,430 And it doesn't just happen to soldiers in combat. 670 00:29:34,455 --> 00:29:35,998 Anyone who's party to 671 00:29:36,023 --> 00:29:38,925 or witnesses a traumatic event 672 00:29:39,026 --> 00:29:41,061 is a candidate for it. 673 00:29:41,162 --> 00:29:43,563 And does PTSD make you insane? 674 00:29:43,664 --> 00:29:46,199 No, it does not. 675 00:29:46,224 --> 00:29:49,126 And yet you began your testimony by stating unequivocally 676 00:29:49,303 --> 00:29:52,005 that Holly Kerrigan was legally insane. 677 00:29:52,106 --> 00:29:55,141 Or at least she was in the days or hours 678 00:29:55,242 --> 00:29:57,243 prior to Roger Navarre's death. 679 00:29:57,345 --> 00:29:58,712 I do. 680 00:29:58,813 --> 00:30:00,380 I think a simple review of the facts 681 00:30:00,481 --> 00:30:02,082 makes that abundantly clear. 682 00:30:02,708 --> 00:30:03,817 How do you mean? 683 00:30:03,918 --> 00:30:05,418 Put aside whether you believe 684 00:30:05,519 --> 00:30:09,155 the act of murder is the undertaking of a sane person. 685 00:30:09,256 --> 00:30:11,291 Making a choice to kill a person 686 00:30:11,392 --> 00:30:14,427 in front of so many witnesses is not. 687 00:30:14,528 --> 00:30:16,155 Add to that that, 688 00:30:16,191 --> 00:30:17,488 once she pulled the trigger, 689 00:30:17,665 --> 00:30:20,233 she made absolutely no attempt to flee. 690 00:30:20,334 --> 00:30:22,135 Add to that, 691 00:30:22,236 --> 00:30:24,604 then she tried to kill herself. 692 00:30:24,705 --> 00:30:26,272 That human being, 693 00:30:26,374 --> 00:30:27,674 in that moment, 694 00:30:27,775 --> 00:30:29,025 is not sane. 695 00:30:31,379 --> 00:30:32,858 I see. 696 00:30:33,314 --> 00:30:34,714 Thank you very much. 697 00:30:34,815 --> 00:30:36,716 I have no further questions, Your Honor. 698 00:30:36,817 --> 00:30:38,418 Dr. Diposo, 699 00:30:38,519 --> 00:30:41,287 you testified that you met with the accused 700 00:30:41,389 --> 00:30:43,556 for the first time this morning. 701 00:30:43,657 --> 00:30:44,891 That's correct. 702 00:30:44,916 --> 00:30:46,483 And what time did that meeting take place? 703 00:30:46,660 --> 00:30:48,828 We started around 10:00 a.m. 704 00:30:49,150 --> 00:30:50,563 And how long did you go? 705 00:30:50,664 --> 00:30:52,399 Little over two hours. 706 00:30:52,900 --> 00:30:56,136 Okay. So, it's a little after 2:00 now... 707 00:30:56,237 --> 00:30:59,039 45 minutes for lunch... W... wouldn't you say 708 00:30:59,140 --> 00:31:02,575 that you arrived at your conclusions rather quickly? 709 00:31:02,676 --> 00:31:06,399 Again, the accused's behavior, in that moment, 710 00:31:06,479 --> 00:31:07,647 says it all. 711 00:31:07,748 --> 00:31:11,551 No matter how much time I might have to contemplate, 712 00:31:11,652 --> 00:31:14,220 it wouldn't change my conclusions. 713 00:31:15,222 --> 00:31:16,689 John Wilkes Booth. 714 00:31:16,791 --> 00:31:17,957 Insane? 715 00:31:18,059 --> 00:31:19,292 Excuse me? 716 00:31:19,393 --> 00:31:21,594 John Wilkes Booth, the man who shot Abraham Lincoln. 717 00:31:21,695 --> 00:31:23,863 Did it in a theater full of people. 718 00:31:23,964 --> 00:31:26,666 By your definition, wouldn't he be insane? 719 00:31:27,067 --> 00:31:29,135 I'm not prepared to render a decision on that. 720 00:31:29,236 --> 00:31:31,838 I've never met with Mr. Booth. 721 00:31:31,939 --> 00:31:33,840 Of course not. And he did try to flee, so... 722 00:31:33,941 --> 00:31:35,008 never mind. 723 00:31:35,109 --> 00:31:36,668 Objection, Your Honor. 724 00:31:36,767 --> 00:31:38,417 Counsel is badgering the witness. 725 00:31:39,105 --> 00:31:40,259 My apologies, Your Honor. 726 00:31:40,364 --> 00:31:42,215 I'll withdraw the question, Your Honor. 727 00:31:42,316 --> 00:31:44,143 How about Sirhan Sirhan? 728 00:31:44,247 --> 00:31:46,186 Shot Bobby Kennedy in a room full of people 729 00:31:46,287 --> 00:31:47,887 in a hotel in Los Angeles... Insane? 730 00:31:49,326 --> 00:31:50,657 - Your Honor... - Ms. Conway! 731 00:31:50,758 --> 00:31:52,625 How about all the terrorists 732 00:31:52,726 --> 00:31:54,794 in all the planes that attacked this country on 9/11? 733 00:31:54,895 --> 00:31:56,396 Insane? Or impassioned? 734 00:31:56,497 --> 00:31:58,565 Crazy? Or determined to do something and willing 735 00:31:58,666 --> 00:32:00,633 - to get it done at any cost? - Your Honor, 736 00:32:00,734 --> 00:32:03,369 counsel isn't even addressing the witness. 737 00:32:03,471 --> 00:32:05,905 She is testifying directly to the jury. 738 00:32:06,006 --> 00:32:07,740 Ms. Conway, if you do not stop 739 00:32:07,825 --> 00:32:09,275 and allow the witness to answer, 740 00:32:09,376 --> 00:32:11,544 I will find you in contempt of court. 741 00:32:11,645 --> 00:32:13,613 That's all right, Your Honor. 742 00:32:14,108 --> 00:32:15,615 My apologies, Your Honor. 743 00:32:15,716 --> 00:32:17,417 I'll just withdraw the question. 744 00:32:19,275 --> 00:32:20,854 And I have no more questions. 745 00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:35,512 Well, that's a terrific closing argument, Benny. 746 00:32:37,648 --> 00:32:39,015 It's beautiful, actually. 747 00:32:40,651 --> 00:32:43,620 So you think it'll make a damn bit of difference? 748 00:32:44,922 --> 00:32:46,567 No, I don't. 749 00:32:51,429 --> 00:32:53,130 I am absolutely certain 750 00:32:53,231 --> 00:32:55,766 we don't have anywhere near a dozen "not guilty" votes, 751 00:32:55,867 --> 00:32:59,536 much less "not guilty by reason of insanity." 752 00:32:59,637 --> 00:33:01,705 And I'm reasonably sure the A.D.A. doesn't have 753 00:33:01,806 --> 00:33:04,040 a dozen jurors who want to send Holly to prison 754 00:33:04,142 --> 00:33:05,858 for the rest of her life, either. 755 00:33:06,330 --> 00:33:08,998 So you think we're looking at a hung jury? 756 00:33:10,648 --> 00:33:12,233 I'm afraid so. 757 00:33:13,233 --> 00:33:15,485 Mr. Colón. Dr. Bull. 758 00:33:15,586 --> 00:33:16,853 Rachel. Ladies. 759 00:33:16,954 --> 00:33:19,189 None of us has a good feeling about any of this. 760 00:33:19,290 --> 00:33:22,259 Well, I'd love to disabuse you of that feeling, but... 761 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:23,560 I can't. 762 00:33:26,464 --> 00:33:28,275 We ought to head inside. 763 00:33:32,069 --> 00:33:33,970 Let me remind you 764 00:33:34,071 --> 00:33:37,025 of the funeral in which this all began. 765 00:33:37,575 --> 00:33:40,067 The funeral of a young dancer. 766 00:33:40,711 --> 00:33:42,775 17 years old. 767 00:33:43,448 --> 00:33:45,025 Took her own life. 768 00:33:46,250 --> 00:33:48,485 One can only imagine the pain 769 00:33:48,586 --> 00:33:51,521 that must have been inflicted upon this young woman, 770 00:33:51,622 --> 00:33:54,658 to choose death by her own hand. 771 00:33:56,983 --> 00:33:59,067 I mean, how do we make sense of that? 772 00:34:00,264 --> 00:34:01,298 Seems... 773 00:34:01,399 --> 00:34:03,650 beyond comprehension. 774 00:34:04,969 --> 00:34:07,070 But one person understood. 775 00:34:07,171 --> 00:34:08,845 My client understood. 776 00:34:09,358 --> 00:34:11,575 When she saw the young ballerina 777 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,501 and her old boyfriend on the street 778 00:34:13,526 --> 00:34:15,427 making their way out of a woman's clinic, 779 00:34:15,452 --> 00:34:18,621 she knew instantly what was happening. 780 00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:21,618 You know why? Because it happened to her. 781 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,254 And she knew at that exact moment 782 00:34:24,355 --> 00:34:27,123 that it was gonna keep happening to other young women 783 00:34:27,225 --> 00:34:29,483 unless she put a stop to it. 784 00:34:30,962 --> 00:34:32,996 And that's exactly what she did. 785 00:34:34,866 --> 00:34:36,700 Now, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, 786 00:34:36,801 --> 00:34:40,637 I know some of you may think my client is a criminal. 787 00:34:41,952 --> 00:34:43,233 Well... 788 00:34:44,775 --> 00:34:47,210 I know some people who think she's a hero. 789 00:34:47,733 --> 00:34:51,882 And whatever side of that question you land on, 790 00:34:51,907 --> 00:34:54,108 one thing's undeniable, 791 00:34:54,652 --> 00:34:58,588 and that is, my client's life has been irreparably destroyed. 792 00:34:58,689 --> 00:35:01,057 And there's no reason to think that incarceration 793 00:35:01,082 --> 00:35:04,452 for the rest of her life will do anything other than make 794 00:35:04,629 --> 00:35:07,731 whatever's already been damaged even more so. 795 00:35:09,900 --> 00:35:11,667 So, please... 796 00:35:14,305 --> 00:35:16,739 ...let's give this young woman a chance... 797 00:35:17,775 --> 00:35:20,443 ...at finding the professional help that she needs. 798 00:35:22,233 --> 00:35:26,169 And at helping her forge a future for herself. 799 00:35:27,451 --> 00:35:29,025 Thank you for listening. 800 00:35:35,126 --> 00:35:39,317 Ladies and gentlemen, you may think she's a criminal. 801 00:35:39,897 --> 00:35:42,766 That's what the attorney for the accused just said. 802 00:35:43,150 --> 00:35:45,068 Well, let me clear that up for you. 803 00:35:45,169 --> 00:35:47,070 She is a criminal. 804 00:35:47,171 --> 00:35:49,940 People who shoot people in the back of the head, 805 00:35:50,041 --> 00:35:52,342 in our society, are criminals. 806 00:35:52,443 --> 00:35:54,644 And thank goodness that's the case. 807 00:35:54,745 --> 00:35:58,148 Look, no one's saying that Roger Navarre 808 00:35:58,173 --> 00:35:59,306 was a model citizen. 809 00:35:59,483 --> 00:36:01,618 Clearly, he had a lot of girlfriends, 810 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,654 many of them far younger than he. 811 00:36:05,917 --> 00:36:09,886 But only one of them saw fit to end his life. 812 00:36:10,394 --> 00:36:13,155 Only one of them saw fit to sneak up behind him... 813 00:36:13,252 --> 00:36:16,866 I was with Roger Navarre for a year and a half, 814 00:36:16,968 --> 00:36:19,703 and I drove Holly from Ohio to New York 815 00:36:19,804 --> 00:36:22,339 so she could shoot that monster. Convict me. 816 00:36:22,364 --> 00:36:24,520 Order! We're in the middle of closing arguments. 817 00:36:24,545 --> 00:36:26,409 The court officer will remove this woman... 818 00:36:26,510 --> 00:36:28,178 I was with Roger Navarre for seven months, 819 00:36:28,279 --> 00:36:29,846 and I bought the gun. 820 00:36:29,947 --> 00:36:31,414 Convict me. 821 00:36:31,515 --> 00:36:33,550 Order! I need this court to come to order! 822 00:36:33,651 --> 00:36:35,619 I was with Roger Navarre for almost a year. 823 00:36:35,720 --> 00:36:37,087 I paid for the bullets. 824 00:36:37,188 --> 00:36:38,355 Convict me. 825 00:36:38,456 --> 00:36:40,557 And I was with Roger Navarre for ten months. 826 00:36:40,658 --> 00:36:42,158 I told Holly all about the funeral. 827 00:36:42,259 --> 00:36:43,793 Where it was. When it was. 828 00:36:43,894 --> 00:36:45,715 We're all as responsible as she is. 829 00:36:45,749 --> 00:36:46,764 If you convict Holly, 830 00:36:46,788 --> 00:36:48,264 you should convict us, too. 831 00:36:48,289 --> 00:36:50,823 I need these women to be escorted from the courtroom 832 00:36:50,848 --> 00:36:52,281 and held in contempt. 833 00:36:52,306 --> 00:36:54,208 I need the accused to be returned to holding. 834 00:36:54,271 --> 00:36:56,439 And I need the jury to be led back 835 00:36:56,464 --> 00:36:58,532 to the jury room so that I can have a private conversation 836 00:36:58,709 --> 00:37:01,544 with counsel from both sides. 837 00:37:01,646 --> 00:37:04,275 I need this court to come to order! 838 00:37:05,317 --> 00:37:07,250 So, what's your pleasure, Ms. Conway? 839 00:37:07,351 --> 00:37:08,918 The jury is tainted. 840 00:37:08,943 --> 00:37:10,543 Are the People moving for a mistrial? 841 00:37:10,983 --> 00:37:13,456 I need a little time. I need to call the D.A. 842 00:37:13,557 --> 00:37:15,291 May I have 20 minutes? 843 00:37:15,567 --> 00:37:18,461 Take an hour. I'll be in my chambers. 844 00:37:18,562 --> 00:37:20,063 Thank you, Your Honor. 845 00:37:20,164 --> 00:37:23,633 I'll be in the conference room if anyone needs me. 846 00:37:24,802 --> 00:37:26,903 Well, you called it. 847 00:37:27,004 --> 00:37:28,905 Looks like it's gonna be a mistrial. 848 00:37:29,006 --> 00:37:30,540 Maybe. 849 00:37:30,641 --> 00:37:32,409 Maybe not. 850 00:37:35,079 --> 00:37:37,047 This room is being used. 851 00:37:38,516 --> 00:37:40,050 So, what's the verdict? 852 00:37:40,151 --> 00:37:42,919 Take a guess. I'm-I'm trying to write the press release now. 853 00:37:44,674 --> 00:37:47,376 Ah, yes, so, the D.A. wants a mistrial, right? 854 00:37:47,725 --> 00:37:48,958 Eh, why not? 855 00:37:49,060 --> 00:37:50,994 Another year, who's gonna complain 856 00:37:51,095 --> 00:37:53,697 that an accused killer is staying behind bars 857 00:37:53,798 --> 00:37:56,066 even though there's been no verdict rendered? 858 00:37:57,068 --> 00:37:59,733 Is there anything else? 'Cause I'm really busy. 859 00:37:59,758 --> 00:38:02,059 Yeah, actually, there's one more thing. 860 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,041 And I only mention this because you're really good. 861 00:38:05,142 --> 00:38:07,010 You're very impressive. 862 00:38:07,035 --> 00:38:09,103 I've watched you work twice now, 863 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,448 and you've got what it takes. 864 00:38:12,817 --> 00:38:14,108 Okay. 865 00:38:14,752 --> 00:38:17,220 Nobody knows your name. 866 00:38:19,296 --> 00:38:21,983 You didn't come all this way for a mistrial. 867 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,527 I know you're ambitious. 868 00:38:24,628 --> 00:38:26,596 I know you've got big plans. 869 00:38:26,697 --> 00:38:29,466 Maybe city attorney. Maybe mayor. 870 00:38:29,567 --> 00:38:31,434 Where are you going with this conversation? 871 00:38:31,535 --> 00:38:32,869 Every challenge is a hidden opportunity. 872 00:38:32,970 --> 00:38:34,938 Okay, you know, I-I hear you selling, 873 00:38:35,017 --> 00:38:37,107 but I have no freaking idea what the product is. 874 00:38:37,208 --> 00:38:40,009 Four women stood up in court today and said, "I did it, too." 875 00:38:40,111 --> 00:38:41,811 How long you think that's gonna stay secret? 876 00:38:42,150 --> 00:38:44,948 Well, the truth is that only one woman is responsible 877 00:38:44,973 --> 00:38:46,540 for the death of Roger Navarre. 878 00:38:46,717 --> 00:38:48,317 The truth. 879 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,588 The truth is, Roger Navarre ruined lives, 880 00:38:51,613 --> 00:38:53,881 and he was poised to ruin many more. 881 00:38:54,058 --> 00:38:55,358 He was a very bad man, 882 00:38:55,459 --> 00:38:57,794 and there are a lot of men out there just like him. 883 00:38:57,895 --> 00:39:00,817 Women know the truth. You know the truth. 884 00:39:01,817 --> 00:39:03,399 You're the prosecuting attorney, 885 00:39:03,424 --> 00:39:05,525 and you've just been handed a do-over. 886 00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:07,957 Don't you think, knowing what you know... 887 00:39:08,608 --> 00:39:10,566 this would be a good time to listen to your heart 888 00:39:10,591 --> 00:39:12,228 instead of your boss? 889 00:39:16,447 --> 00:39:17,983 Do the right thing. 890 00:39:18,449 --> 00:39:20,483 And, as an added benefit, 891 00:39:21,118 --> 00:39:23,317 you make a little noise for yourself. 892 00:39:32,129 --> 00:39:35,198 Due to a series of outbursts in the courtroom today, 893 00:39:35,299 --> 00:39:37,667 a mistrial has been declared in the matter 894 00:39:37,768 --> 00:39:40,336 of The People v. Holly Kerrigan. 895 00:39:40,437 --> 00:39:43,773 I want you to know that, as the prosecuting attorney, 896 00:39:43,798 --> 00:39:47,367 I've elected not to retry this case at this time, 897 00:39:47,545 --> 00:39:49,445 and have agreed to allow Ms. Kerrigan, 898 00:39:49,547 --> 00:39:51,447 subject to psychiatric evaluation 899 00:39:51,549 --> 00:39:53,483 and a willingness to enter pretrial probation, 900 00:39:53,584 --> 00:39:55,451 to serve no jail time. 901 00:39:55,858 --> 00:39:58,321 This will spare the People both the cost of a new trial 902 00:39:58,346 --> 00:40:01,048 and the expense of Ms. Kerrigan's incarceration 903 00:40:01,225 --> 00:40:03,293 until such time as that trial begins. 904 00:40:03,726 --> 00:40:04,970 To be clear, 905 00:40:04,995 --> 00:40:09,399 while I do not condone Ms. Kerrigan's actions... 906 00:40:10,935 --> 00:40:13,736 ...it became apparent over the course of the trial 907 00:40:13,761 --> 00:40:16,696 that her victim, Mr. Navarre, 908 00:40:16,721 --> 00:40:20,590 was, in fact, an extremely dangerous predator. 909 00:40:21,108 --> 00:40:23,479 The kind of man who takes pleasure 910 00:40:23,504 --> 00:40:27,673 in laying waste to young women's lives and futures. 911 00:40:27,852 --> 00:40:31,621 And while that does not excuse what happened here, 912 00:40:31,646 --> 00:40:35,649 it does provide context for Ms. Kerrigan's actions 913 00:40:35,674 --> 00:40:38,576 that we were heretofore unaware of. 914 00:40:40,707 --> 00:40:42,141 And for those of you 915 00:40:42,166 --> 00:40:46,442 who have never met a man like Roger Navarre... 916 00:40:47,638 --> 00:40:49,650 just ask your wives... 917 00:40:50,741 --> 00:40:52,275 your daughters... 918 00:40:53,143 --> 00:40:54,525 your mothers... 919 00:40:55,246 --> 00:40:56,858 your girlfriends. 920 00:40:58,302 --> 00:41:00,903 I'm reasonably certain that they have. 921 00:41:03,754 --> 00:41:06,743 I'm Assistant District Attorney Whitney Conway. 922 00:41:06,845 --> 00:41:08,024 Thanks for your attention. 68487

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