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I dunno, that's a good question, who would be,

what would the general populous be more skeptical of,

Bigfoot or aliens?

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[Matt] If I ever get abducted by aliens,

I'm gonna ask them what's the deal with Bigfoot?

[Man] Careful now, Bigfoot, no question,

but I'm definitely more

tailored to the fascinated by Ufology.

[Alan] There is something that those people are drawn to.

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I love exploring that plane,

its color,

its

joy

its mystery and living in that mystery.

[Jeffrey] I really think that it's okay

that people go out in search for these things

and wanna know more about life beyond where we are.

[Alan] There's something there.

I really think people who go in search of Bigfoot

and I think people who go in search of aliens

I think they're very similar and here's why.

A lot of people who studied

and there are people who take just simply

a scholarly academic approach to the study of the unknown,

and that's what science is all about.

If you have a question that you don't know the answer to,

you have a hypothesis,

you test that hypothesis with evidence

and if your hypothesis proves to be untrue,

you come back and you re-hypothesis.

It was "Harry and the Hendersons"

the movie "Harry and the Hendersons"

that really sparked my interest in Bigfoot

and similarly to "E.T."

which sparked my interest in extra terrestrials, right,

there was this infusion of love,

of tenderness, of kindness in both of those films

and so, from the earliest age my interest

in anything paranormal, extra terrestrial in origin

was grounded in this idea that

perhaps there are species out there

yet undiscovered or proven to exist in the mainstream

that

are not caged and restricted

by the same kind of shortcomings that human beings have.

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The biggest difference between cryptozoology and Ufology

whether it's doing research,

speaking at conferences, lectures, TV shows,

things like that,

the biggest difference is that a lot of UFO research

is sort of historical going through files,

speaking with witnesses.

Cryptozoology, because it's the study of unknown animals,

there's a great deal of research done out in the field

in forests, in woods, in lakes, mountains,

So, cryptozoology lends it more to

expeditions and being on the road

whereas Ufology is scrutinizing cases

and documents and files.

So, one is very much outdoors, another one is

pouring over material, that kind of thing.

So, there's definitely a little bit of a difference

I think, between the UFO and Bigfoot community.

Bigfoot community tends to be a little more grounded,

a lot of these guys,

there's just guys only about in the woods,

they're pretty down to earth

and they know the animals, they know their species,

you know, they just either I've had when

I've seen something unusual they can't explain, you know,

they don't think of it in terms of

I think so much in terms of like anthropology or biology,

a lot of these guys 'cause these guys,

some of these guys are hunters or they're just

guys that live out in the woods

and they're pretty regular people.

It doesn't attract as many crazy people to

or let's say delusional, to be honest, you know,

as the UFO field does and it's not as,

there's less politics.

I think especially today,

the UFO field is very politically motivated,

you know, everything,

it's been hijacked a little bit by

some group of people that

where the UFOs are coming second behind

the worship of certain politicians or,

you know, it gets tied up with like a QAnon phenomena

which I personally think is utterly ridiculous.

So, there's a lot more conspiracy theories out there

that I think are kind of going off the deep end

and then attracts a lot of those guys.

Yeah, it's interesting 'cause

there is not much cultural crossover between the alien fans,

the ancient alien fans,

the conspiracy theorists about governments and

stuff like that,

the Bigfoot people, the ghost people

and there really should because

basically we're all the same in the sense,

if you put us all together,

you'd have a really, really massive block

of voters and political activists because

we're all people that recognize in one way or another

that the world that we're presented on TV is not reality,

that there is a much deeper, maybe darker,

but certainly more interesting reality that we exist in

than what we're sold every day.

There's a lot more things going on than just

who's gonna win the Super Bowl?

The Chiefs by the way.

You know, there's more stuff going on than that

and the, you know,

the impeachment farce that's going on right now,

it's all for show and it's all to keep us distracted

from the ghosts and the Bigfoots

and the things that don't fit

and the aliens and the ancient aliens,

just to keep us from really focusing on the truth

because if we did focus on that, we might get distracted

and not really think it was that important

to go to work tomorrow

and that's what keeps the engine of civilization running.

We had a fascinating conversation with Mike Bara

on the way up the mountain.

He was tired, this is before this whole

virus thing came out and he started,

he was saying that, yeah, I got an insider CIA guy that

has said that we have a virus

that targets certain ethnic groups

and the whole, everybody in the truck we're just like,

what are you talking about?

And it's right as the whole thing was gonna breaking free

but it doesn't look like that was the,

it just started in China or whatever, but it was,

that's, you know, you get all kinds of insider info

from these guys and then

when they say they got a contact,

it's hard not to, you know.

I really think that it's okay

that people go out in search for these things

and wanna know more about space

and wanna know more about life beyond where we are.

We have predilections to violence,

to disorder,

vengeance, anger, hatred, all these things and

when I saw those movies when I was a child,

I thought, what if there really is a species out there that

was kind and compassionate and they

were not a species of of war or conflict?

There are scientific species, right?

Like "E.T." the extra terrestrial

or "Harry and the Hendersons"

that maybe all these setting's a Bigfoot which

keep their distance for the most part,

Sasquatch or Yeti.

That they're intelligent enough to stay away from us

because maybe

they don't wanna get involved with our conflicts

and they can see how aggressive we can be,

not that we always are,

but we have people out there that are actually

with guns hunting for Bigfoot

which I just think is absolutely absurd

and I highly, highly condemn it.

It really just ticks me off that people would do that

because there's just not enough good evidence

that I've seen, that Bigfoot or Sasquatch is

aggressive and violent towards human beings.

They may be at times confrontational

in that they approach and come close to us, to eyewitnesses,

but that does not justify

looking for a trophy just to prove that some species exists,

because again, for me,

it's something more meta, it's bigger.

The search for strange creatures or

extraterrestrials visiting here,

whatever you're searching for, for me it all means

something much bigger than ourselves.

For me, that's one of the main reasons why

I kind of, like cryptozoology in many ways more than Ufology

because I enjoy the sort of

road trip expedition aspect of it,

hitting the road and potentially, you know,

staking out to the Lake

where something has been seen for seven days.

You know, for me, that's more exciting than just

pouring over something

that's been released on the Freedom of Information Act

from 50 years ago, which is really still cool material

but I kind of liked that sort of

pitching the road angle more than anything else, yeah.

Personally, I think both

UFO's and Bigfoot are equally believable

but for different reasons.

I think because the UFO phenomena, we have so much

evidence now, I don't wanna say proof

'cause we don't have the smoking gun, you know,

but obviously recently we've seen

various governments including ours

have admitted to the fact that there are

flying objects out there they can't explain.

We have a paper trail, you know, that for example,

John Greenwald at the black vault

has been able to dig up

that talk about UFO's from official capacity

in the US government.

Other governments around the world

have admitted to the fact that yeah, these things fly around

we have a plethora of footage at this point,

I mean, granted, a lot of it's fake,

but the plethora of good footage, pictures,

accounts, you know, throughout the entire world

so, there's a lot there, you know,

with Bigfoot, we have much less, I think and,

but on the other hand,

10 years ago I would say

UFO's are more believable than Bigfoot

but since we've, all that we know now about

the fossil record and

much for the backroom back through genetics

have proven that something like Bigfoot

not only could exist, but did exist, you know

a bunch of times the last few million years.

So, if it was possible then,

certainly there's no reason for it not to be possible now,

the only question is

whether it could stay hidden in the modern world.

Definitely, I mean, Bigfoot, no question, it's out there,

but I'm definitely more

tailored to be fascinated by

Ufology and

the technology and.

I have no problem whatsoever with a person

who wants to know or go out and investigate whether or not

there's life beyond our solar system?

I don't know how you do that.

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I have through my involvement with

UFO research for the government and

now I suppose, as

somebody who writes and broadcasts on this,

I interact with the UFO community.

I have a good knowledge, I suppose, of

Ufology for want of a better word,

I know that there are other mysteries,

other fields of study,

so, we have, for example,

all sorts of anomalous creatures seen all around the world

monsters and

I suppose most famously Bigfoot, say,

and you have the whole cryptozoological community.

I suspect there are

similarities and differences between those communities.

Well, I've been interested in,

yeah, I guess a lot of different things,

but to see the intertwining

of the Ufology.

Ufology, we have that subject

but when you start going down that road

and you start opening that box,

it's literally Pandora's box

because you will discover as I have,

what is reality?

What are we doing here?

Why, what is a human being?

What is the purpose of our existence?

You know, all of these big, big questions

you ask and you go deeper and you go deeper

and you may find some answers, you may find it, you know,

and it's very individualized, but it's all interconnected.

So, ghosts, you know, you mentioned Bigfoot earlier

you know, the indigenous teachings, cultures,

but other religious belief systems,

it's all connected and it's all intertwined to

the bigger, greater story of what is it to be human.

So, I think the positive and negative

are two sides of the same coin from both

cryptozoology and Ufology.

So, again, the seeking, I think, is

a sort of mystical quest.

So, ghost hunters, cryptozoologists, Ufologists,

whatever it is,

they are seeking something that is bigger

than what conventional

thinking tells us our reality is

beyond our five senses and science has teased us, right,

that the world is so much bigger.

The universe is so much more magical and diverse than

we may have imagined,

but it seems to me that our imagination often drives

the search for answers.

We have to sort of imagine what could be

before we can even seek it,

and so, the idea that we can imagine

that there might be these elementals

or spirits or ghosts or Chupacabras or Bigfoot

that there might be extra terrestrials

visiting our earth from another planet,

that fills us with

a wonder that I think just sort of

feeds the spirit of living, that it makes life exciting and

in the search for that,

I think there is something almost spiritual about it

and I think that is a very positive thing.

Now, some people might,

like they use other things to fill the void

but I think most people,

it's not a void that they're filling,

it's just living the journey of life and, you know,

going down the enigmatic road of investigation

into the unknown is something that

broadens the mind.

In some sense, both communities would regard themselves

as somewhat fringe and are regarded as somewhat fringe

and maybe eccentric by, for example,

the mainstream scientific community.

A lot of these people might regard themselves as

outsiders, crusaders for the truth in a

situation where maybe they feel the

deck is stacked against them,

maybe from government, media, scientific community,

whoever it might be.

The negative is that, yes,

sometimes people can get obsessed

and any kind of obsession is,

you know, damaging

and unfortunately, I think sometimes there are

researchers or individuals

who need more out of life than

what interest in Ufology or cryptozoology can provide

and maybe they begin to

fill their investigations with hyperbole

so that they can get more attention.

Maybe they start to take an experience and

embellish it too far, too much

and it's attention that they need, it does happen.

So, there is that negative side to it

and sometimes, yeah, just like a religion or

a philosophy of any kind,

they might be using that to fill some kind of void

in their soul and their heart and their psyche.

I'm sure there are some differences

between the communities but there are some commonalities

too

and I think that's very interesting.

It's whatever you believe about UFOs, about Bigfoot,

I think actually, it would be quite interesting almost

sociologically, to look at those communities.

So, not looking so much at UFOs or Bigfoot

but the people that study them

and research them and maybe try to go out.

I mean, I don't know what the difference is, for example,

between people that go out on a sky watch

with binoculars and infrared equipment, night vision goggles

and say the people that hunt Bigfoot and

I suspect that

one common thread is

extreme dedication and these things aren't easy.

They, you probably get

ridiculed and disbelieved

and you probably spend a lot of cold wet nights

when it might be easier to

drink some beer and watch the game, so,

it's an interesting question

about these different communities

and as I say, I'm sure

there are some things that bind them together

and other things that set them apart.

I think by and large, most people,

especially in the paranormal community,

I love the people in the paranormal community,

you know, it's just part of my tribe

[laughs] as it were

and they're good people

and we are very supportive of each other

and I really appreciate that

and there's a lot of positive thinking.

So, I was into the whole UFO thing

prior to being into Bigfoot.

My introduction was through French comic book on aliens

but inside they had like a story from Brazil

about little hairy monsters, they're supposedly aliens.

So, when I saw another book on a Yeti,

I kind of recognized that model, you know,

from the earlier UFO book.

So, that got me interested, it said, Yeti, I'm like,

Oh, it's kind like, you know, this UFO story in Brazil

then obviously that went onto its own path but.

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Even five years ago, a UFO person,

Oh, those Bigfoot people they're stuck up, they don't know.

You know, they're tracking something, you know

we don't really care about them

and then the Bigfoot people would be like,

no, those guys are weird, you know,

I spend my weekends out looking for a big hairy

bipedal ape or something, but those UFO people are weird

and 'cause a lot of Bigfoot researchers

and understandably so, very scientific, very hard facts,

we want footprints, we want photographs,

we want hair samples, we want DNA.

We want sounds, we want actual, tangible evidence

and UFO being a lot of

sightings and encounters and hearsay,

having even less physical evidence than UFO world,

there was always a departure.

When I got invited to speak at UPAs, LA,

which is the LA chapter of MUFON,

UPAs, universal paranormal association

and then MUFON in Orange County, very nice people,

it was really refreshing

'cause I'm so used to talking to people

unless it's a paranormal podcast,

if I just talk to regular people who have an interest in it

you spend the whole conversation about Bigfoot

trying to convince them it exists,

and when you go talk to a group of 30, 40, 50, 60 people

who study different alien races and UFO's and consciousness

and different Astral planes

and metaphysics and all this different kind of stuff,

and I'm like, yeah, my name's Matt, I research Bigfoots,

they're all like,

yeah, and?

There's a big hairy North American creature exists,

they're like, yeah, and?

It's no big deal to them.

I mean, when you're talking about

parallel dimensions and wormholes

and ancient aliens and civilizations and

the real kind of out there stuff they talk about,

to them, an undiscovered species or an ape is just like

a species of human, they're just kinda like,

yeah, what of it?

And they're very interested and very welcoming

and I heard some

weird stories from some of the people who came up

during the intermediate.

Hi, I'm a level three Shaman and I live in the woods here

and I wanna let you know that

Bigfoots are spiritual creatures and I saw one, one day and

I could see it perfectly clear

but my boyfriend couldn't see it and

it spoke to me in a dream later that night

and I'm just like, hi,

and there are other people come up to me and they're like,

yeah, we're actually Satan worshipers

and we worship demons and they're all golfed out

and everything like that and I'm just like,

hi, I'm Matt, smiling politely, you know, and

they're telling me that, oh, yeah, Bigfoot has,

you know, some of the dark one's seed in it

and they're genetically modified and all this and

the great evil one showed me this in a dream and I'm like,

yep, it's nice to meet all you folks, you know,

I mean, give them, listen to these people,

listen to them, hear what they have to say.

Whether you throw it out personally is up to you.

But it's certainly fascinating,

it's certainly entertaining at the very least.

Bigfoot, in my opinion is the Nephilim.

The Nephilim are the by-product, the offspring

of the fallen angelicals and the human women of earth

creating a hybrid known as the Nephilim.

It's biblical it's right in there, Genesis six.

It goes back to the seed of a dragon

will be at war enmity with the seed of the woman,

which sets up for the rest

of the biblical prophetic narrative.

That's not taught in most seminaries,

most Christians have no idea what that even is

but it's there and it's coming into light,

and I'm one of the people,

my mentor, Chuck Missler, and Dr. IDE Thomas,

I stand on their shoulders,

they stand on GH Pember's shoulders,

so, it's been there, people have talked about it

but the mainstream still goes, whoa, whoa, whoa,

that's too whoa for us.

So, again, this is all supernatural in my opinion.

The whole UFO phenomenon, in my opinion,

is a supernatural occurrence, not a

an extra terrestrial one, interdimensional one.

I don't necessarily have to believe everything I hear

and obviously I don't just swallow and believe

whatever evidence is

placed in front of me,

but it's the conversation that I enjoy

because what it says is that

we're not being dogmatic,

we're keeping the door open, we're asking questions

even for the strict, almost dogmatic Ufologists

or Bigfoot researchers who say,

no, Bigfoot is a physical being only

is a ape family descendant living amongst us secretly,

whereas others would say it's an entire dimensional being,

either way,

they're searching for something

and they're keeping that door open a little bit

and I really do appreciate that.

One of the things that I encounter on my YouTube channel

and in my research and shows that I've been on,

is just because I talk about a theory

doesn't necessarily mean

that that's what I think is going on.

It's just, I talk about a Bigfoot UFO connection

or a paranormal connection and Matt thinks

they're paranormal or he thinks that they're

the Nephilim where he thinks there's something biblical

or they think they're, Matt thinks they're an alien,

well, well, I didn't say that,

I feel like any good researcher or teacher

or somebody exploring a subject,

you have to look at these things

without that necessarily being what your opinion is.

So, I gotta put that caveat out there right away.

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I think I'm probably more passionate about Bigfoot

than I am about UFOs because, well, first of all,

I have a BS in anthropology, so, you know,

it's something that

I can justify I'm going to school for five years

in only one sense,

but for whatever reason, that's captured my imagination

a lot more than maybe UFO's.

I mean, I'm passionate about UFO just as well,

but I'm a little disillusioned by the

everything that's went on in the UFO field, you know. and

it's a mess if I'm gonna be quite honest and

a lot of people don't have the best interest

of the field in mind and that's, you know,

that's really frustrating.

Bigfoot's a little bit smaller community

and don't get me wrong,

there's a lot of people I don't personally like, but

it's not as tainted as the UFO field today, I think, and

I think there's a bigger chance

for us to find proof of Bigfoot in the next year

than there is of us, you know,

finally declaring that aliens or whatever,

you know, creates the UFO phenomena is real.

UFO, really, it encompasses a lot of modalities,

it's not, we're not just talking about aliens

we're talking about secret aircraft, maybe,

whatever, right and it becomes,

there's so many factors involved

and if factors in so much into the political world, right?

Because you're talking about a new type of energy

probably, that's very different than what we have today

and that affects everything,

everything in the world, it affects oil,

it affects government.

Imagine the US government admitting tomorrow that

aliens and UFOs are real and had been flying in our airspace

for generations and there's nothing we can do about it.

I mean, even today, which, you know, it's

things a little chaotic with the US government

but even that admittance is like, is unthinkable, right,

how do you admit to something like that?

And I think that's part of the problem

why we're not getting UFO disclosure.

Well, Bigfoot, you know, let's say someone discovers Bigfoot

and now greater creationists will be up at arms you know,

but ultimately everyone's gonna get over it a week later.

Oh, look, we found other species of man that's alive today

that'll be huge, right,

or we found a new type of ape that's bipedal.

So, maybe the ape thing will be popular for a week

and no one will care, you know,

or, obviously, if we find another species of human

that's gonna change things dramatically,

but look at the world today is really, anybody's gonna

be up in arms about it a month later?

Sadly, probably not, you know.

Not and people go back to their phones or.

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I suppose if the, you know, humans are being abducted,

I wouldn't see any reason

they wouldn't abduct a Bigfoot too.

And the fact that in the last few years

you have seen a lot more crossover.

Ron Morehead, a lot of bigger Bigfoot researchers

have given more talks at UFO conferences

and they're starting to show up more

and you're starting to see a lot more crossovers.

I think both communities are kind of realizing

this isn't just some physical creature in a craft,

some species visiting us from another planet,

there's more to it than that.

These stars are too far away

for them to even travel at the speed of light and get here.

There's more to aliens

than just them being little green men from another planet,

and then people look at Bigfoot

and there's more to these creatures

than just being a big hairy human ape hybrid thing

and so, there's a lot of crossover.

Who's to say Bigfoot's not a shape shifter that

[laughs] one second is

you know, a bear like creature

and the next second he's like an old Indian chief

and you know, hey, what's up?

Yeah, who knows, anything's possible?

Coincidentally, that's kind of where my research went

is eventually and a lot of people

encounter this in the Bigfoot world,

is you've read all the conventional stuff,

you've been out in the woods and have, probably,

more than likely very, very limited success on your own

researching Bigfoot in the field,

you spend all day long on camouflaged up

with your cover scent and your face painted,

crawling through the woods, watching every step,

setting up cameras,

you go back to the car

and you stop to take a whiz on a tree

and that's when you hear a tree snap

and you hear a hoop and you're like,

I'm not ready, you know?

Or as soon as your camera dies, you've been filming all day

and you're tired and you're sitting on the porch and

you're gonna have a cocktail,

that's when you hear a tree knock over here

and you hear a tree knock over there

and you hear the woods go quiet and you're a whoop

and you're like,

the camera's inside charging with no SD card in it

and you're like, really, really?

Now, it's when it happens

and you go get the camera and then nothing happens.

That's just the way it happens with all paranormal

and that's when you start getting into the ghost hunters

people that go to the haunted, you know,

the abandoned prison and abandoned

Asylums and the old houses

and try to do their EVP and talk to the ghost and everything

is they have a lot of the same issues.

It's like Zen, the harder you look for it,

the farther away from it you're gonna get

and it's very interesting that

the UFO world, the Bigfoot world

and the paranormal ghost world

all kind of seem to have that.

I dunno,

I was wondering where you, how, what the link was between

Bigfoot and you know, and the UFO culture and

I'm understanding a little bit more now, for sure.

For all of you out there

that love these topics,

thank you.

Thank you for doing what you do because

I think that on the periphery,

even though maybe we're the ones that

are willing to put our faces out front and

publicly discuss these things,

on the periphery, there are people that

are watching and listening.

Maybe they're not posting on their Facebook page, you know

latest article about cryptozoology

but they might see our posts.

Maybe they tune into this radio shows

and they never talk to anyone else about it outside of that,

they don't talk to people at work or family,

just kind of like their own little

you know, mystical world that they created.

The similarities at conferences

where you've got big crowds and you know,

everybody's listening to the lectures and so on,

I mean, that's pretty much the same

whether you're talking about UFO's or if it's cryptozoology,

what I've found is that

the lectures that are done in cryptozoology

are far more visible in terms of pictures and imagery.

You find that

lectures and conferences in relations like Bigfoot

are far more picturesque,

you know, location pictures,

pictures of the witnesses,

shots at the local Lake where something's been seen,

pictures of Bigfoot casts.

So, in other words, the imagery for the audience is huge.

You tend to find very often with UFO lectures

it might be like two shots of the Roswell crash site,

somebody presents the documents

and there isn't really as much visual material as there is,

you know, going out to, I've done a lot of times like

Puerto Rico's El Yankee rainforest, looking for the

Chupacabra.

I've done a lot of lectures where

I've probably got 40 pictures of the places we went to

but you just don't get that with, you know,

lectures on the Roswell UFO case,

there might be a blobby in the sky and a picture of the

researcher pointed in the sky,

so, that's a big difference as well, yeah.

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But I have heard of a lot of UFO

and paranormal type connections,

and for every Bigfoot encounter was,

yeah, it scratched its butt and walked across the road.

There are things that, it vanished,

it cloaked like the predator.

I saw big flash of light.

Its eyes were glowing red,

I don't mean I shine from a flashlight,

It's eyes were glowing red at me.

I felt an immense feeling of fear, of dread,

like I was gonna die and it had glowing red eyes.

And when you start getting into things like that,

or it cloaked or it disappeared or

you start getting many things and

from people who are scared to death and seem plausible,

why would they make this up?

And then you're like, well, do I throw this encounter out?

No.

Well, some researchers do,

I don't blame them if you want the hard science

but for me, well, let's listen to these people.

No, they're all different.

I'd say they're all different,

everybody comes at it from their own way.

We had Linda Moulton Howe back in the beginning

on the first show and

we had Stanton Friedman, one of his last

speaking engagements before he passed but

yeah, it was a great group.

It's cool to have the people come through Big Bear.

I don't know, bear kind of covers the whole spectrum

and Nick Pope is, he's just, he's fascinating

to conversate with.

There's a lot of parallels in UFO world,

people, it's very post-traumatic stress,

Bigfoot isn't supposed to exist,

monsters aren't supposed to exist.

Monsters aren't supposed to be real,

but then here you're confronted with a Bigfoot,

seven, eight, nine, 10 foot tall,

built like the Incredible Hulk

and has a mean look on its face.

You're at its mercy, if it wanted to come over here and

tear you in half, it could,

and it's kind of like that with UFOs,

you're at the UFO's mercy,

it's something you don't understand,

so, you have a post-traumatic type thing.

You have a shunning of you're weird, you're out there,

oh, Bill saw a UFO once and Bill's weird

or Matt, oh,

he's the weirdo guy who is into Bigfoot, you know,

and like I said, it's all fun and games until you see one

and then you go to the coverup

and then you go to some of the more out there things

that we were discussing and there's a lot of parallels,

and then I think one thing, the UFO world,

because they're so driving for credibility

even more than the Bigfoot world

is you look at MUFON and a lot of the big organizations

and they have a very strict, rigid

way that they conduct their investigation

and that's great, time, location, temperature,

what was the traffic conditions on nearby roads?

What kind of, what was the environment?

What was the state of mind of the person?

Were they calm, were they agitated?

Did this person have a history of mental illness?

Did they appear to be intoxicated?

Are they into drugs of any kind?

What was the conditions?

Were there any other witnesses?

Is there any other historic?

They're very, very good

and I think the Bigfoot world could learn a lot from that,

from doing almost a law enforcement type investigation,

you know, just the facts.

I know it's kind of fascinating that whole disappearances

in like, in some of the national forests too

and what's that all about?

I've done a bunch of research in that and it's like

walking with somebody one second and then they're just gone,

and then sometimes stuff turns up, you know,

pieces of their luggage or their gear or whatever

miles away where there's an, you know,

the timeframe doesn't match and who knows?

Abducted, I don't know,

Bigfoot ran off with them or who knows.

One thing when you get into military witnesses

and police officers,

when you work in law enforcement, you're a trained observer.

You're meant to look at a crowd,

you're meant to pick out things,

you're meant to interpret things that

you have training and you have background

and you do it for a living.

So, when you have military and law enforcement,

there are plenty of sightings by cops

plenty of sightings by firefighters and lawyers and judges,

when you get into military and law enforcement

these are trained observers,

and when they have that,

how much more credible do you want it to be?

I mean, you can't make this stuff up.

It always seems like there's some hard evidence that

changes their life forever and they're like,

I went from a non believer to a full believer in a second,

but I've always trusted it.

I always say

trust no one,

and it's healthy, very, very healthy to be suspicious.

We've all heard that line before,

trust no one from the "X-Files"

but you have to ask, what does that really mean?

Because if I have subscribed to the mainstream media

or if I subscribe to what I was taught in school growing up

and then I had this realization later on

that what I've been told is not entirely the truth

and I start discovering new information

and I get that sense of betrayal,

then I'll start looking at other sources of information

and those other sources of information may offer some truths

but those truths can be mixed in

with

falsehoods,

and let's just say mainstream media

or what you're taught in school,

let's say there's an agenda there.

If I look at say some other source

and they may be telling me some other truth

that they weren't telling me, maybe I will believe that

but if they had agendas,

how do I know this other person doesn't have an agenda?

And we have to be really, really careful.

So, I think you have to look at all aspects of a conspiracy

all aspects of evidence,

whether it's cryptozoology and Ufology

and try to be objective as you can.

It's okay to entertain all these theories

and explanations as to what the phenomenon is,

but

whether it's a conspiracy like QAnon

or whether it's a government coverup of the Roswell crash,

if you believe all conspiracies,

then none of them can be true

and so, I just think it's healthy to step back

be objective, you know, enjoy

the prospect of

discovering truth that has been hidden from us,

I think that's very fun and exciting,

but you need to be responsible and not

just shift your faith from one voice to another voice

to another person, to another source

wholeheartedly and blindly.

So, that's a very slippery negative side

to all of these topics.

Personally, I do think at some point or another

we've had contact with aliens

and I think maybe at some point or another

we've had their recovered craft or given to us technology

which is where stealth,

you look at where technology was 20 years ago

and you look at where it was 50 years ago

and you look at where it is now,

microchips and lithium batteries and all that kind of stuff

and every new plane that comes out is already,

you know, they say that we're 30 years behind

what the government and labs already have, you know

and I think that's very true,

I think they're getting it from somewhere,

I think some of it could be very well reverse engineered

you know, where did titanium come from, how do you smelt it?

How do you work with it?

Aluminum, even in the 40s and 50s

coming up was a very new thing.

Where do we work with all these different?

How do, you know, things that we've had

but how do we work with it?

To microchips, to battery technology,

to touch screen technology, to propulsion,

all these different things,

and it seems to me that it's coming from

some other place other than our own minds

and our own research.

The government either officially in some capacity

has some contact and continuing contact with alien races

or interdimensional, whatever these creatures are

and they're probably more advanced than us

and we're probably getting some kind of a trade,

either they're trading humans for abductions

or experiment purposes for technology,

who knows what kind of,

you know, deal in the dark's being made?

So, yeah, I think they definitely wanna keep it under wraps

and it kinda, you know, we're alone in the universe and

we went to the moon and we weren't asked to leave the moon

and the space program and all our modern science and

Columbus discovered America and all that,

it's all predicated on what we know in our science

and I think when you introduce aliens,

not to mention religion and God,

there's a lot of questions that come up

if you suddenly acknowledged aliens existed

and they're more advanced

and when you start getting into

a lot of alien stuff there seems to be multiple

and even hundreds, even thousands of species of alien,

some that look like insects and

some that look like big Nordic people

and some that look like the little gray aliens

and everything else and some are good for us,

some are benign, some are evil, you know, if you wanna,

some don't have our best interest in mind, so,

I think it's a big can of worms for the government.

Yeah, so for 10 to 13 years,

I was a director of investigations from Eufaula, Los Angeles

where my job was essentially to go out and investigate UFOs

and in that time,

I'm sure I investigate over 300 cases,

you know, obviously a lot of them I was able to

kind of, debunk right off the bat, you know,

but there's enough there

that was really compelling,

including we had a case in Pine Mountain

which is about an hour and a half

from Los Angeles to two hours.

It's community

and we had a case where an object was seen

flying above someone's house by

different witnesses in different houses

on two consecutive nights.

They claim it landed in the forest and they saw occupants,

and if it wasn't for the quality of witnesses,

I'd be a little skeptical because we're talking

a pretty far out story, right, we're talking about occupants

but this just came from a former correctional officer,

and like I said, the collaborator

was the neighbor that saw it and independently,

and not only that, but we walked to the forest

and found the spot where supposedly it landed

and it was this big round circular

mark in the middle of this field that,

you know, was hard to dismiss

considering the stories we just heard.

So, normally a sighting would come in, somebody would either

they would fill out as a database from me

from people would fill it out

and then that gets funneled into like different sections

around the country where there's different chapters, right,

and Los Angeles probably gets the most amount of sightings

just because it's a big, you know

it's a community and stuff.

And so, that comes, so I get emails,

obviously get emails about sightings

and it was my job to either assign someone

to do it which really there was anybody else besides me,

you know, occasionally people would come in

for a month or two and then they would quit.

And then it was my job to follow up and

usually, you know,

most people kind of just make a phone call

and then, you know, fill out the data base and all that but

I have a little more interest in it,

so I was always trying to go meet with someone.

So, then you go to the spot,

you try to go the same time when they've had their sighting

around the same type of conditions

just in case if it's something mundane,

a lot of times you can see it rather, you're like,

oh, look, it was a blimp 'cause it comes around that time

and then you kind of, you know, depending what the case is,

you kind of go from there.

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I was looking this morning hoping to find something.

- And is it harder to find? - It's definitely

harder to find good footage of Bigfoot than it is of UFOs.

When it comes to the UFO stuff,

when you get into cattle mutilations

and you get into places like the Skin Walker Ranch

where they had UFO sightings, there are certain places,

if you follow my channel really deep in there,

I call places of high strangeness.

There are places like Yosemite National Park

which is a missing 411, missing person capital of the world.

Hundreds of people in the last

30 or 40 years have gone missing in Yosemite National Park.

Lots and lots of missing people.

I think in 2017, there was

10 or 12 people that they never found,

and I don't mean tripped and fell or fell down a mountain,

I mean, just stories of kids,

kids to elderly people where they're 15, 20 feet

and they go around a rock or around a corner

and then they're never seen again

and found days later in weird circumstances.

In these areas, we'll have UFO sighting,

strange lights in the skies

and then we'll also have Bigfoot encounters too.

It seems like they just get this paranormal,

you know, to me, it's like Bigfoot is 99%

well, it's probably 80% human, 19% ape,

and then 1% something we don't know.

Something like if the paranormal is a pool

it's got it's big toe,

it's kicking its toes in the paranormal pool.

It's not a paranormal entity,

it's not like a ghost or something like that or a demon

but it definitely has that side to them.

So, there are all sorts of different theories that

I've heard out there,

that Bigfoots are spies for different alien species.

I've heard encounters from people who've had habituation

with Bigfoot families,

who where their family lived on a property

for many, many years

and there are Bigfoots that live in the areas

and they would trade with them or talk with them

and even some people communicate with them,

learn part of their language,

it's out there, stories I've heard though,

I can neither confirm nor deny.

Talk that when Bigfoots get to a certain age

they go with the star people and then they come back,

I've heard stories like that.

And then there's other stories of people,

you know, a couple of guys out in the country

drinking beer on their tailgate

and the UFO lands and Bigfoots get out.

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One of the most exciting aspects of

similarities between Ufology and cryptozoology

are associated events.

Cattle mutilation.

Often you see orbs, people have witnessed lights in the sky,

UFOs associated with cattle mutilations, crop circles

and Bigfoot sightings as well, encrypted events.

So, what does that mean?

If Bigfoot

is nothing more than another ape family member

in the hominid branch that has yet to be discovered,

our cousin, you know, out there,

I've a lot of good explanations as to why we haven't

caught them on camera,

[mellow music]

but at some point you would think

why haven't we gotten enough evidence

with hair sampling and DNA testing,

to just outright prove that there's a brand new species?

I know there are some good evidence out there.

But ultimately, with all the,

the cameras,

[mellow music]

no one has caught a Bigfoot really

except for the Patterson film.

So, what is Bigfoot doing

that

keeps them so elusive?

Of course we have tracks and that sort of thing.

I think there might be something else going on here and

I know

it's, you know getting a little bit out there

but

the more and more I think about it,

I feel like

the idea that

extra terrestrials, as people suspect them to be

are simply these physical nuts and bolts beings

that are coming here

or that Bigfoot is a physical being

just living in the woods

may not be entirely true.

It seems to me that Bigfoot

has the ability to slip in and out of detection

far too easily for some mammal

that's just yet to be caught on film

and with extra terrestrials,

they too seem to have a will over

physics or reality as we understand it

and can manipulate

the world that we see with our five senses

and slip in and out

of that view as well,

and because those two things are happening

and we see events where they overlap,

maybe just, maybe,

these are beings that are beyond just biological.

Here's the problem a lot of people have with that

and here's the problem a lot of people have

and I seem to be defending those people

who believe these things are real without question now,

and I'm not really doing that,

but here here's something I will say,

I guess in their defense.

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We are curious by nature.

What we have to be careful is

that we don't automatically assume we know the answers

and project that answer on the research.

If someone comes knocking at my door

at two o'clock in the morning,

immediately, I think, oh, oh, something's wrong

or that could be somebody trying to rob me.

That's a different supposition than,

oh, I just saw something walk by my window,

oh, that could have been a ghost or a Bigfoot.

That's an immediate conclusion that you've projected.

The proper way to handle that is

well, I wonder what that was or I wonder who it was?

So, you turn on your lights,

maybe you go to another window and investigate

and if you never figure out what or who it was,

you don't immediately project

an answer without any evidence

and that's what a lot of people do.

On the flip side of that, that gets people in trouble

and that's what makes this group of people so anti

or are drastically opposed to the investigation and pursuit

in the first place.

They look at those people who are very

misdirected and have good intentions

but are very misdirected,

and they say, well, that's the standard of reference

for people who believe in mysterious things

or wanna go out in pursuit and search of the unknown,

while in reality, that's not, that's not true.

Those people who just automatically assume that,

you know, this is all bonkers,

it's good to be a skeptic but it's not good to be a cynic.

Don't be cynical, just be skeptical,

that's why I liked Joe Nickell, people hate that guy.

He has PhD, I believe in English,

from the University of Kentucky

and works for an organization that

pretty much goes out and debunks things.

I respect Joe Nickell because he applied,

he doesn't make fun of anybody, he applies

that scientific inquiry and integrity to the question

and he really wants to know the answer to the question

but he's not gonna immediately assume

that it was Bigfoot, an alien, Loch Ness,

Nessie from Loch Ness or ghost or a demon,

he doesn't jump to those conclusions.

There are other people, however, who are so close minded

they don't even want to investigate,

Joe will investigate,

because it requires them to reorganize their worldview.

See we all have a worldview

and if we were to find out, if we were to have

an experience, if we were to go hiking through the woods

and come upon one of these creatures, if they exist

and it's incontrovertible proof to us

and we are looking eye to eye at this creature

and we live to tell about it,

we have to then reorganize our entire world view.

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And just it's off, it's fascinating,

I mean, Bigfoot's a given,

all you gotta do is find one.

I just don't know if we're gonna do it on Bigfoot hunters.

Eventually though, eventually,

we'll all wake up, I would think.

If you look at it from more of a scientific hard fact,

if you accept the possibility of alien life,

if you then wanna make the leap to people are seeing UFOs

and UFO means on unidentified flying object,

it just doesn't necessarily mean alien,

it just means we don't know what it is.

And if you take the other leap

and wanna go into the, I believe aliens visit the earth,

I believe, you know, the crash at Roswell and

the government cover up

and you believe that, you know, on occasion

you know, these alien species wanna,

do abducted people for whatever reason, nefarious or good,

they wanna do experiments on us, they wanna collect our DNA,

they wanna study us, just like amazingly,

oh, why would aliens wanna take people and study them?

What do we do when we go study species

as humans, as biologists?

We tranquilize them, we tag them, we radio collar them,

we take their height, we take their weight,

we check their teeth, we check their claws,

and then we release them back in the wild,

we do it every day with bears

and mountain lions and coyotes and badgers

and gorillas and chimpanzees and crocodiles

and everything else.

So, it would make sense to me if I was an alien life form

and I wanted to study earth for whatever reason

and I was abducting people,

what are these very large hairy people

that hide out in the woods?

Maybe I'm gonna abduct them too.

Maybe they are genetically

manipulated by an ancient civilization,

that's a theory about them.

Maybe they're genetically manipulated by aliens.

Maybe some ancient civilization, tens of thousands,

20, 30,000 years ago had some advanced technology.

Maybe we're not the only ones that ever had

what we call technology.

Maybe they had influences from aliens.

There's all sorts of theories

on where their creation could be,

some of their more paranormal abilities.

Some of the sightings of people

like there's been a lot of reports,

I've talked to people from military bases

who worked on military bases as MPS and stuff

and they would see UFOs sightings all the time

and it was always don't ask, don't tell,

you didn't see anything,

but they also had a lot of Bigfoot encounters too.

Bigfoots coming up to the fence

and the lights would flicker for a second

and a Bigfoot's on the inside of the fence,

strange stuff, you know, and

the guards on the perimeter are like yep, we see Bigfoots,

yep, we see UFOs, like, it's a weird ass world out there.

You know, and these are soldiers, these are people,

they don't have anything to gain

and actually most, a lot of people wanna remain anonymous

'cause you have everything to lose

by talking about Bigfoot.

So, there's definitely a connection there, what it is?

No one can definitively say,

if I ever get abducted by aliens, I'm gonna ask them

you know, hey, before you guys do your thing,

what's the deal with Bigfoot,

is that you guys or is that another tribe of aliens,

or species of aliens is, what's going on with that?

And see, we have as humans

always been at the top of the food chain, you know,

we're supposed to be the smartest species,

I question that every day,

but if you come face to face with a bipedal creature

that stands about eight or nine feet tall

and is smart enough to have evaded detection and capture

and live in the areas and the environments

that they live in just fine,

then we have to reorganize our worldview.

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A certain portion of the UFO community which is,

it's a growing portion too, it's pretty big,

think that Space Force was specifically announced

because of the alien presence and UFOs, you know,

and that, you know, the White House,

Trump and Pence and all that are in on the secret

and they're secretly fighting aliens

on the moon or whatever.

Starting right here and right now,

because this moment is your moment, it belongs to you.

[audience cheering]

I don't buy that at all, personally,

and I'm okay with the Space Force thing,

you know, I'm not a fan of thinking military first

in terms of space exploration versus scientific exploration

so, that bothers me a little bit, but I'm okay with it but

it's just that's not how any of this works.

Now, you know, whether you like Trump or not

but regardless I don't care,

but that's not,

president isn't gonna be in the know,

no other guys from the outside of the,

if anybody knows, it's someone that's involved

in the military industrial complex, you know,

and that would be, maybe Bush would be the last

the father of Bush would be the last guy maybe,

that would be in the know.

I don't think necessarily presidents know the whole story

and certainly they're not gonna create a whole Space Force

just to fight aliens,

I mean, that sounds like fantasy to me, you know?

Yeah, I think of all the presidents, the older Bush

has really talked about UFOs, if ever,

but I think it makes sense in terms of he was CIA guy.

Those guys, you know,

aren't gonna talk, they're in it for life, you know

and if anybody out of the presidents

from baby Bush to Clinton to Trump is gonna know anything,

he would be the guy,

but it would be the last guy I would expect

to actually talk about it.

I think it's so compartmentalized

and it's such need to know basis,

that's so few people know the whole story

and I don't think any of the presidents,

certainly not the vice presidents or, you know.

And it's become very popular now, right,

for someone that's running for president

and they're like, well, I'm gonna disclose,

I'm gonna look into the alien thing.

I see these articles are

disposed on Facebook almost daily now,

it's just not the way it works.

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With Jimmy Carter reporting, some years later,

he didn't immediately do it,

but several years later when he reported the UFO

it went into the annals of history.

It is now a documented UFO reporting.

Again, that is a scientific term.

If I were to walk outside my front door

and see a bright red, glowing object in the sky

that I couldn't identify as a plane or the Goodyear blimp

which I don't understand,

I don't think it would ever glow and be orange.

If I have no evidence to the contrary,

then I'm just going to say there was an unidentified object

flying in the sky above my home.

That's a scientific explanation of the unknown.

It's, you know at that moment that it was A, flying

and it was B, unidentified

and you can identify, say the location,

that's the best you can do,

those are all very accurate statements.

So, what Jimmy Carter did,

he brought an air of credibility to the reporting

but Jimmy Carter was and still is at 96 years old,

a very credible individual.

I surmise, he lost the presidency in 1980 to Ronald Reagan

because he was just too honest

and that's what we've got to have,

that is one thing we've got to look for

when we do research into the unknown.

And we try to,

we try to resolve these issues and solve mysteries.

You have to look for the more credible,

the more reliable resources and reports you have to,

and that's why it's so important

to know the people reporting these phenomenon.

The other major difference between

Ufology and cryptozoology is the evidence.

Cryptozoology doesn't have nearly as much

supportive evidence compared to Ufology,

and I know that ruffle some feathers.

Yes, there are

footprints, yes, we have some sampling, yes,

we have

some video, not really the best in general

but Ufology has a rich history

all the way back to the 1947, Nathan Twining memo,

Lieutenant General Nathan Twining,

openly in his report

speculating that craft witnessed by pilots and

military personnel

could possibly be something that's off world,

and there's a rich history all the way through

and numerous public and secretive projects

regarding the investigation of UFOs,

and that leads all the way through Project Blue Book

up until the AT program,

and so, you combine that with the number

of eye witnesses who are pilots and military personnel

that have come forward over the years.

Colonel Phillip Corso, I mean, controversial as he may be,

you know, there's a rich history there,

people saying, look, I've worked behind the scenes

and this is what happened, this is what I saw.

And so, when the government is spending

so much time, energy and resource and money

into investigating UFOs,

there must be something there.

Whereas with cryptozoology, you just don't have that.

I guess if the government thought that

cryptids were more of a

national security

threat, then they would maybe investigate those things,

I don't know.

You know,

we had psychic programs only because,

you know, for remote viewing only because the Russians

were doing this, so,

would we have ever looked into

using psychics to remote view

unless the Russians were doing it?

So, that's a national security issue right there.

So, that's the only reason I could think

that maybe the government would investigate,

I think that the problem is so many cryptids

get mixed and there's a crossover

effect between

pure imagination of,

you know, creatures from our mythologies

to actual creatures that have been eye witnessed

or blurrly caught on camera.

So, there's just,

I support actually,

spending more time and energy and money

into investing cryptids

and I think that there's a lot more that can be done

and I think that in Ufology,

there's just been way more collective resource

put into the investigation from civilians

and the government and institutions and academia in general,

there's just not nearly as much effort

investigating cryptozoology.

So, that's a whole nother door

that I think that should be opened.

Well, in terms of

my favorite evidence for UFO sightings is

probably my own sighting which I had as a kid.

It was, I was about, I was age 10,

yeah, I live right here in Los Angeles

and we're hanging out by the pool with my mom

and I believe it was a hairdresser

was there at the time, you know?

So, hang out by the pool, probably maybe eating something

and getting some drinks, it was pretty late,

well, I wasn't drinking alcohol 'cause I was 10, but,

and then all of a sudden we saw this big light

that kind of came down and hovered above us,

about 30 feet above our heads above the pool,

completely silent about, you know 30 foot across,

about 30 foot up in the air, so, it's about 30 by 30

and it say they're selling a nanny kind of

either Blake tough or took off,

now however saw it.

So, after seeing something like that even at age 10 and,

you know, as you get older,

you kind of go back and you're like,

well, maybe I misunderstood what I saw was helicopter,

whatever, but, you know, I still ask my mom once in a while

and to me, I just can't deny what I saw

so, from that standpoint, that's by far the most believable

you know, UFO

event.

Otherwise, I mean, you look through history, there's that,

there's a lot of, anything that has to do with like

fighter pilots or airline pilots that see UFOs

are obviously very believable

because they're trained observer.

I even interviewed a pilot that was an Air France pilot

and he was a 747 at the time, pilot,

and he told me that he used to see UFO's

pretty regularly in cross Atlantic flights

and he's like, I'm gonna be honest with you, he's like

a lot of us have seen them.

He showed me a map, in fact,

of where all sightings took place

from like various pilots that he interviewed,

and it was like, it was filled.

It was filled, he had all these dots everywhere

and he's like, we all see them,

we all know they're there, but,

you know, we don't wanna lose our jobs

and we don't talk about it.

So, that kind of evidence, obviously, extremely compelling.

And I was reading this article from a science website,

a credible science website, where they've recently found

evidence that there could possibly

be a life sustaining planet or planets in other systems

that were kind of to a point now

where we're almost ready to accept

that that is a distinct possibility.

So, if that's a distinct possibility

and we've done really well in this, on this planet,

there certainly the possibility

that life is developed quicker and more intelligently

and more technologically advanced in other systems

who are trying to contact us.

I have never seen any evidence of that

but I keep a very open mind.

That doesn't really scare me.

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So, most people will tell you that with UFO sightings

it's pretty random, but I don't believe that's the case.

Now, granted a lot of them are pretty random,

'cause it occurs all over the world, right?

But there's definitely specific areas around the world

that have a long history of sightings

and they're still occurring, there's Kazakhstan

for whatever reason, hot in the middle of nowhere,

there's a lot of sightings, Siberia.

and the United States, you have the St. Louis Mountains,

St. Louis Valley, I'm sorry, which is in Southern Colorado

has had sightings for generations and

until, and still today you have a plethora of sightings,

you have cattle mutilations, a lot of related phenomena

in a very, in a smaller geographical area

and I think that we don't spend enough time

going to those spots that have a long history of sightings.

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So, you get to a point where your research with Bigfoot

where you've read the books, you watched the documentaries

and you're like, I want more,

and then you start looking in the UFO world,

you start looking in, not just Bigfoot

but the bigger cryptozoological umbrella,

and you start realizing all across the United States,

I mean, my primary research is in the United States

but all over the world, you're like,

parts of the United States they're seeing a goat man,

parts of the United States like in Loveland, Ohio,

they're seeing a giant frogman.

So, yeah, I think you get to a certain level

with your Bigfoot research

where you almost have to start looking

at the bigger cryptozoological umbrella,

you have to start looking at the paranormal side of it,

what are ghost hunters experiencing?

What are they doing?

What are the UFO people doing?

How do they conduct their investigations?

What do they do with witnesses?

What problems do they have?

And you realize you're all kind of,

it's different subjects but you have all the same issues.

What I enjoy most

about both cryptozoology and Ufology

honestly is the comradery.

The people in those communities,

I just so enjoy having conversations with them

and working together with them.

There's a lot of

support

and,

and I think that might

come from the fact that

often people, I think, see those of us who are interested

in these fields as a little off

maybe [laughs]

like we have dis-associative disorders or something,

or that were sad and uneducated

and that's really unfair.

In fact, there's a lot of very smart people

that are investigating these things and

we have a sense of humor about this stuff too.

You know, we get it,

that we're discussing things that are like

just totally out there,

but that's okay,

that's part of the fun of it as well.

And I think that, you know, because you can be

judged harshly for having these sort of interests

that in a way, it almost brings you together and

it causes you to have some sort of

empathy for each other,

a connection, that sense of belonging to a tribe as it were,

and that, you know,

that we will be there to support and defend each other.

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You know, a lot of people talk about disclosure

but they're waiting on this, almost like on this Messiah

to give you disclosure and it's not gonna happen,

you know, obviously, I mean, every year

it's like, this is gonna be the year.

I think we should be focusing a lot more

on being proactive and heading those areas

that a lot of people are going to, you know

instead of reacting, be proactive, which is

in a sense, the same way we do Bigfoot research,

try to be proactive, go and get the evidence and found,

you know, Bigfoot ourselves,

and I think whatever strange phenomena

and modalities you're dealing with,

I think that should be the approach.

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Are they meat eaters?

I would think, right.

And what?

Hunt a bear,

go tackle a bear,

cook him up, I don't know.

If I was a Bigfoot Hunter

the first thing I would be going after is,

well, what is this?

Let's do some, let's spend some real quality time

researching what we think this thing eats and

go where the food is, follow the money.

Like Bigfoot, so, when you go research Bigfoot on a field,

now occasionally it'll be just like a UFO sighting,

where you'll get a sightings report somewhere in an area

and you can follow up on it,

but a lot of times, a lot more remote than a UFO sighting

so, it's very hard to get out there in time

and it cost money and time and all that.

They crossover between cryptids

and extra terrestrials,

UFO's,

is that there's this meeting of the tangible and intangible.

and I love that nexus where both of those worlds meet.

Our understanding of time space is expanding,

our understanding of the very structure

of the nature of reality is

almost getting looser and more interesting,

it's expanding as well,

and that means there are just

perhaps, infinite possibilities

and so, if we imagine something to be real,

if we imagine

that we can traverse the cosmos

and be at another part of the galaxy

within just a few minutes,

if we can imagine that consciousness exists

everywhere almost simultaneously,

if science teases that all of these things are possible,

that there are multiple dimensions,

then of course why couldn't there be cryptids

walking side by side living right amongst us

and we have no clue,

that to me is fun.

It's just fun, I know it sounds kind of ridiculous,

but it's fun.

That makes life really interesting

and I don't need it to make

life interesting for me to be happy or to be content,

but it's like science, right?

Reading the latest news and science

then latest discovery, to me that's fun, I love it.

So, that nexus where all those worlds meet

is probably the most exciting thing about

cryptozoology and Ufology.

There's too many eye witnesses and it's,

you know, they're hard to take a picture of because

they're, you know, shy of people.

I was just watching something this morning

where they took a print of a,

we got a baby Bigfoot and like pour the mold and everything

and they're talking about how the toes were

spread out different than our toes are,

pushed in because we wear shoes all the time

and they're like, this is the evidence of that

and that was pretty interesting.

But ultimately I think that

both fields encourage us to say, yes,

take a look behind the veil and see what's there.

That's exciting, there's a buzz there

and living in that mystery,

I think gives one a sense of

connection to something bigger than themselves

and because these fields are

for the most part non-dogmatic,

meaning unlike a religion or something right,

there are not

a set of rules that someone says, you must abide by this,

you must believe this.

You can have that spiritual search

through these mysteries without anybody saying

your spiritual belief or your

sense of wonder or your curiosity

is inherently

evil or wrong or bad.

I find it really freeing and

you know, even if we find out something is not true,

that's okay.

I'm glad that we went on this journey together,

I'm glad to be a part of the community

and the people out there who do this.

For me, ultimately, it's all about

peace and love and harmony

and compassion and empathy and caring about each other,

and the paranormal world is a playground that says

you don't have to have

all of these boundaries

that institutions or governments or your local culture

or societies or history has said that you have to abide by.

It's like in "The Big Lebowski",

when the dude says the do to bides.

He's not abiding by the rule of society, right,

he's abiding by something bigger

and it means not taking everything

so damn seriously all the time

that sometimes you've just gotta let go,

go with the flow and enjoy

and for me, that's what the paranormal is.

It's really just letting go and enjoying

what discoveries or stories I might find along the way.

Gosh, I would think it's always been around.

It goes back to the,

there was a fascinating thing with the Cherokee Indians

and that they would put like grains or something

at the edge of their camp and to feed them

and they would come up and take them

and go back into the woods

and it was like their peace offering

and they would protect them.

There's no, I mean,

Indian and there was no reason to doubt any of that,

you know, and they probably are more able to see them

because they're less fearful of them than the standard human

especially like a Bigfoot hunter, get out of here.

I mean, you know [laughs]

good luck seeing one or you bring bringing your gun too,

they're like, no way

I can smell the gunpowder, I'm outta here,

I'm not gonna get shot, but I it's, I don't know.

Yeah, and why don't, why haven't?

Maybe there has been one in captive.

There's no reason to think there wouldn't be but

I wouldn't think he'd be that happy about it.

And I don't know, is there a female?

There's gotta be female Bigfoot too, right [laughs]?

So, the UFO world's a much bigger paradigm

and you know, if you think about it,

a UFO sighting can occur anywhere in the world

and there's a lot more interest and people report those

a lot more versus the Bigfoot phenomena,

you have to have very specific geographical area

for that to be seen and live.

So, I think from that standpoint

you're naturally gonna have a lot more interest

and a lot of more people talking about UFO's and aliens

and I think people are naturally more interested

in the whole UFO thing, 'cause it's about

it's about the future,

it's about going out in space

and what's out there and a bigger picture, you know.

Bigfoot doesn't seem quite as big story

from that standpoint so, I think there's much less interest

in Bigfoot than there is, you know, in UFO and aliens.

They are a community.

They may be a diverse community, there may be some,

let's not kid ourselves that there aren't some

fairly crazy people involved in cryptozoology

and in Ufology,

let's not kid ourselves that there aren't some

charlatans and fraudsters in both these communities,

but essentially, most of the people involved,

whether they're witnesses or whether they're researchers are

sincere, dedicated individuals

who are intrigued by a mystery

and wanna push the boundaries of human knowledge

and rightly so,

and that's what being human and being intelligent

should be about, pushing those boundaries,

asking those questions, trying to expand

the sum of all human knowledge

and if that takes us into some difficult and

uncomfortable territory as well, you know

that's how we maybe make big advances through adversity.

You know, investigating the paranormal,

it's like the light on the hill

that you're sort of looking out to.

It's not necessarily that that light is the answer,

although maybe you will find

the answer to the big questions

and I love asking the big questions,

but it's the journey,

And so, going towards the light, meaning

what is out there?

What is in the distance?

What's behind the veil that we don't quite see?

But we, if we keep going that way,

we'll get answers along the way.

That's exciting because

hopefully, we do learn about ourselves

and I think we do.

I think we become more accepting

and loving and tolerant people

and forget tolerance, accepting people because

we're entering this weird world where

anything seems to be possible

and I think that if you're going in with that mindset,

then for the most part, there are exceptions to this rule,

your brain is more elastic.

You're able to adapt to new ideas to keep an open mind

and that is the core

of the Ufological and cryptozoological community.

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