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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:28,150 --> 00:00:33,130 ♪♪ (Italian opera music) 2 00:01:08,110 --> 00:01:09,090 (gunshots) 3 00:01:24,130 --> 00:01:27,100 Rhythm Mic Live-- we're on location tonight 4 00:01:27,140 --> 00:01:30,080 in the NWA Ruthless Studios 5 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,050 here to talk to NWA and Eazy-E, 6 00:01:33,090 --> 00:01:37,020 probably the most controversial rap group in Los Angeles. 7 00:01:37,060 --> 00:01:38,210 (Alonzo Williams) At that time, all the rappers 8 00:01:39,010 --> 00:01:40,150 were claiming their hometowns-- 9 00:01:40,190 --> 00:01:42,210 South Bronx, you know, wherever they may be, 10 00:01:43,010 --> 00:01:44,190 New York, Queens, whatever the case may be. 11 00:01:44,230 --> 00:01:45,190 We were from Compton. 12 00:01:45,230 --> 00:01:48,070 Coming up in the ghetto, period, 13 00:01:48,110 --> 00:01:50,170 builds character to me, you know what I'm saying? 14 00:01:50,210 --> 00:01:52,160 It definitely can build character 15 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,020 if you use it in a positive way. 16 00:01:54,060 --> 00:01:56,080 When we seen, you know, regular homeys 17 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:57,210 from the neighborhood that was just putting down 18 00:01:58,010 --> 00:02:01,120 real street raps, you know, it made us 19 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,140 feel like we could do it. 20 00:02:03,180 --> 00:02:04,220 (Dan O'Dowd) Something really special 21 00:02:05,020 --> 00:02:06,230 was coming out of that neighborhood. 22 00:02:07,030 --> 00:02:09,200 It was a fresh, really volatile time in music. 23 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:14,140 I liken it to Elvis Presley when rock and roll started, 24 00:02:14,180 --> 00:02:16,100 to when The Beatles came. 25 00:02:16,140 --> 00:02:18,210 It was something really special coming out of there. 26 00:02:19,010 --> 00:02:20,040 After a while, Michael Jackson didn't work. 27 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:21,040 People didn't believe the hype. 28 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:22,160 We didn't care, we didn't care. 29 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,070 If they didn't feel it with all of that 30 00:02:24,110 --> 00:02:26,060 trying-to-be-shy nonsense-- 31 00:02:26,100 --> 00:02:27,180 people weren't checking for that no more. 32 00:02:27,220 --> 00:02:29,140 Rap made it gritty. 33 00:02:29,180 --> 00:02:31,220 I think we successful because we telling it like it is. 34 00:02:32,020 --> 00:02:33,170 And, you know, that's what people want to hear 35 00:02:33,210 --> 00:02:35,090 because they sick of hearing about fairy tales 36 00:02:35,130 --> 00:02:36,150 and stuff like that. 37 00:02:36,190 --> 00:02:39,030 NWA to me was like, uh, anti-- 38 00:02:39,070 --> 00:02:40,220 against-- anti-establishment. 39 00:02:41,020 --> 00:02:42,150 They was bringing, you know, South Central 40 00:02:42,190 --> 00:02:45,000 to the forefront in what was happening, 41 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,100 and, you know, drugs, and the whole shot. 42 00:02:47,140 --> 00:02:50,110 I mean, they was hitting another element of society 43 00:02:50,150 --> 00:02:52,050 that nobody else had touched on. 44 00:02:52,090 --> 00:02:53,170 They talked about being gangsters. 45 00:02:53,210 --> 00:02:55,130 "Gangsta Gangsta" was a big hit. 46 00:02:55,170 --> 00:02:58,100 "Fuck Tha Police" was a big hit. 47 00:02:58,140 --> 00:03:00,180 It's not what you know-- it's what you can prove. 48 00:03:00,220 --> 00:03:02,190 When I went and got NWA albums, 49 00:03:02,230 --> 00:03:04,140 I bought 'em as a fan. 50 00:03:04,180 --> 00:03:06,100 You just see an all-star cast of people-- 51 00:03:06,140 --> 00:03:08,130 of Eazy being the mastermind, 52 00:03:08,170 --> 00:03:11,150 of Cube being the rhyme writer, 53 00:03:11,190 --> 00:03:14,040 Dre laying down the tracks, the producer. 54 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,140 And then you had Ren, who played a supporting cast, 55 00:03:17,180 --> 00:03:20,180 and that just made up one of the great groups of hip-hop. 56 00:03:20,220 --> 00:03:21,230 We don't tell you what to do, 57 00:03:22,030 --> 00:03:23,180 and we don't tell you what not to do. 58 00:03:23,220 --> 00:03:25,020 You got your own freedom of choice. 59 00:03:25,060 --> 00:03:27,030 (Matt McDaniel) Eazy represented, you know, 60 00:03:27,070 --> 00:03:30,060 the hardcore little gangster on the corner. 61 00:03:30,100 --> 00:03:31,090 Don't try to hold us back 62 00:03:31,130 --> 00:03:34,020 because this record has cursing on it 63 00:03:34,060 --> 00:03:36,040 or it said something, or you're talking 64 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,050 about raping somebody and everything. 65 00:03:39,090 --> 00:03:42,040 People were selling cocaine, making a lot of money, 66 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,180 and he was the first person that actually came out, 67 00:03:44,220 --> 00:03:47,220 and admitted it, and boasted about it on a record. 68 00:03:48,020 --> 00:03:49,040 It's some bullshit. 69 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:50,220 (laughter) 70 00:03:51,020 --> 00:03:53,060 Eazy-E turned out to have some business savvy. 71 00:03:53,100 --> 00:03:57,000 (Alonzo Williams) Eazy was a local crack slinger, okay? 72 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:58,210 It made him some money, 73 00:03:59,010 --> 00:04:00,030 and because I was one of the few guys 74 00:04:00,070 --> 00:04:01,110 he knew who had a studio, 75 00:04:01,150 --> 00:04:03,220 he wanted to get with me and get in the studio. 76 00:04:04,020 --> 00:04:04,230 He was not intending to be a rapper. 77 00:04:05,030 --> 00:04:06,150 He was gonna be a financier. 78 00:04:06,190 --> 00:04:10,080 Dre was producing for Alonzo 79 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,120 of Cru Cut Records and the Wreckin' Cru. 80 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:16,160 Dre started getting in trouble. 81 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,070 He was going to jail for warrants on a regular basis. 82 00:04:19,110 --> 00:04:21,130 I'm digging in my pocket to get him out, okay? 83 00:04:21,170 --> 00:04:22,220 So I got to the point where I got tired of it. 84 00:04:23,020 --> 00:04:25,160 And Lonzo didn't get him out of jail. 85 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,180 Eazy got him out of jail. 86 00:04:27,220 --> 00:04:29,000 When Eric got him out of jail, 87 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:30,210 they cut a deal that Dre would do some tracks 88 00:04:31,010 --> 00:04:32,060 for Eric in my studio. 89 00:04:32,100 --> 00:04:35,070 And then, they hooked up and was boys ever since then. 90 00:04:35,110 --> 00:04:37,200 (Eazy-E) You put the dot on your target. 91 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,050 Then, you blow the shit out the motherfucker. 92 00:04:40,090 --> 00:04:42,200 No joke. 93 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:44,220 Eazy knew it was like a joke to him, okay? 94 00:04:45,020 --> 00:04:47,050 It was like-- (laughing) 95 00:04:47,090 --> 00:04:50,210 But he got so far into it, it was like, "Okay, I am this." 96 00:04:51,010 --> 00:04:52,070 I'm walking through to cross the mall. 97 00:04:52,110 --> 00:04:55,010 I look up in the HQ, which is a sporting goods store 98 00:04:55,050 --> 00:04:57,110 and a gun store, and these guys are buying automatic-- 99 00:04:57,150 --> 00:04:59,030 semiautomatic weapons to go on tour with. 100 00:04:59,070 --> 00:05:00,160 I'm, like, "Shit!" 101 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:01,220 What kind of tour you guys going on? 102 00:05:02,020 --> 00:05:03,070 Vietnam, or what? 103 00:05:03,110 --> 00:05:04,220 They were selling out of the back of cars, 104 00:05:05,020 --> 00:05:06,180 and they were making money, and they were going to the top 105 00:05:06,220 --> 00:05:08,100 one way or the other. 106 00:05:08,140 --> 00:05:10,130 (man) We used to ride around in Eazy's Jeep all day 107 00:05:10,170 --> 00:05:11,200 and sell records to the-- 108 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:13,190 what they call swap meets out here. 109 00:05:13,230 --> 00:05:15,150 I used to make people buy records. 110 00:05:15,190 --> 00:05:17,010 (reporter) How'd you make 'em buy 'em? 111 00:05:17,050 --> 00:05:18,080 With a gun. 112 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:22,180 Eazy paid Lonzo to introduce him to Jerry Heller. 113 00:05:22,220 --> 00:05:24,010 (Jeffrey Jolson-Colburn) Jerry Heller was basically 114 00:05:24,050 --> 00:05:28,050 Dr. Dre and Eric Wright's manager and label head. 115 00:05:28,090 --> 00:05:30,010 (man) Ruthless started from Eazy-E. 116 00:05:30,050 --> 00:05:33,190 Eazy-E knew that Dre was a dope producer. 117 00:05:33,230 --> 00:05:35,090 He did the "Straight Outta Compton" album. 118 00:05:35,130 --> 00:05:37,070 He did "Eazy-Duz-It." 119 00:05:37,110 --> 00:05:41,080 he did Michel'le's album, he did The D.O.C.'s album. 120 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,150 Dr. Dre was one of these guys 121 00:05:43,190 --> 00:05:46,220 that could take this raw street sound 122 00:05:47,020 --> 00:05:49,050 and turn it into the kind of magic 123 00:05:49,090 --> 00:05:52,020 that would hit to a wide audience of kids. 124 00:05:52,060 --> 00:05:55,150 They had a message that clearly was heard 125 00:05:55,190 --> 00:05:58,060 and felt by young people. 126 00:05:58,100 --> 00:06:00,230 All over the country, they had pockets of young brothers 127 00:06:01,030 --> 00:06:03,220 who sold dope and had to carry 9mm pistols, 128 00:06:04,020 --> 00:06:06,210 who had a wad of money that could relate. 129 00:06:07,010 --> 00:06:09,090 (Jeffrey Jolson-Colburn) Every kid wants something that's sort of forbidden. 130 00:06:09,130 --> 00:06:12,020 Certainly, this kind of imagery was. 131 00:06:12,060 --> 00:06:13,030 In fact, they couldn't even hear it 132 00:06:13,070 --> 00:06:15,010 on their regular radio stations. 133 00:06:15,050 --> 00:06:16,230 (Jay King) They sold over a million albums. 134 00:06:17,030 --> 00:06:18,210 And we have to understand that, with rap music, 135 00:06:19,010 --> 00:06:22,050 past 500,000, 600,000 albums, 136 00:06:22,090 --> 00:06:23,180 you go outside the black community. 137 00:06:23,220 --> 00:06:25,080 You had little white kids out there 138 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,060 that was, you know, grew up in Pop's Country Club, 139 00:06:28,100 --> 00:06:29,060 and they wasn't having it. 140 00:06:29,100 --> 00:06:31,010 They wanted to hear NWA. 141 00:06:31,050 --> 00:06:32,170 (Joe Isgro) It became clear that there weren't just 142 00:06:32,210 --> 00:06:35,030 10,000 kids listening to this. 143 00:06:35,070 --> 00:06:37,180 There was hundreds of thousands in each city. 144 00:06:37,220 --> 00:06:39,090 People sat back and seen an album 145 00:06:39,130 --> 00:06:42,080 that sold a million units that was never played on radio. 146 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,080 And-- and I had to question-- how does this happen? 147 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:46,130 How did this happen? 148 00:06:46,170 --> 00:06:47,180 What-- what went on here? 149 00:06:47,220 --> 00:06:50,090 Now, when it starts making real money 150 00:06:50,130 --> 00:06:52,180 and it starts looking like some success is gonna come about, 151 00:06:52,220 --> 00:06:54,190 that's when the shit starts. 152 00:06:54,230 --> 00:06:59,130 Eazy and Jerry wasn't paying Dr. Dre enough money. 153 00:06:59,170 --> 00:07:01,210 At that time, I was owed money, 154 00:07:02,010 --> 00:07:04,050 but they wasn't paying it, you know what I'm saying? 155 00:07:04,090 --> 00:07:06,160 I think they were trying to starve me-- starve me out. 156 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,010 As hard as you work for your money, 157 00:07:08,050 --> 00:07:10,020 there's at least two or three people out there 158 00:07:10,060 --> 00:07:11,230 working just as hard to get it from you. 159 00:07:12,030 --> 00:07:14,120 I was there when Dre told me 160 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,100 he would sell his soul to the devil for a million bucks. 161 00:07:17,140 --> 00:07:18,200 And I swear right now-- 162 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:20,140 devil gotta have a receipt for his ass. 163 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,010 (Matt McDaniel) Suge Knight was always around. 164 00:07:29,050 --> 00:07:31,030 He was around in the days of NWA. 165 00:07:31,070 --> 00:07:33,080 I just-- I never noticed who he was. 166 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,160 (man) Suge was just a big kid, you know? 167 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:39,030 He was really, at that time, totally nobody. 168 00:07:39,070 --> 00:07:41,050 (Kevin Powell) Suge Knight was a bodyguard, 169 00:07:41,090 --> 00:07:43,130 bodyguarding Bobby Brown. 170 00:07:43,170 --> 00:07:47,140 Being a bodyguard is probably one of the best music schools-- 171 00:07:47,180 --> 00:07:49,180 music industry schools that you could go to 172 00:07:49,220 --> 00:07:52,170 because you're gonna learn everything about the business. 173 00:07:52,210 --> 00:07:55,020 I was out there looking and learning, you know? 174 00:07:55,060 --> 00:07:57,090 And I seen different people complain. 175 00:07:57,130 --> 00:07:59,050 I seen artists. 176 00:07:59,090 --> 00:08:02,120 I seen people trying to be artists. 177 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,050 I seen people talk about songs. 178 00:08:04,090 --> 00:08:06,180 And I'm just listening-- I'm hearing it all. 179 00:08:06,220 --> 00:08:09,090 (Dr. Dre) He was an aggressive person that cleared the way 180 00:08:09,130 --> 00:08:11,170 for me to go in and do what I had to do, 181 00:08:11,210 --> 00:08:13,200 you know, by any means necessary. 182 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,030 Suge was a leader-- he was a winner. 183 00:08:17,070 --> 00:08:18,040 He was smart. 184 00:08:20,030 --> 00:08:22,190 He kind of reminds me of a hip-hop Dick Griffey. 185 00:08:25,050 --> 00:08:27,200 (Virgil Roberts) In the 1980s, Solar was probably 186 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:33,010 the most successful black-owned record label in America. 187 00:08:33,050 --> 00:08:35,030 Dick Griffey, who was the founder of the company, 188 00:08:35,070 --> 00:08:37,200 was one of those men, he had the rare ability, 189 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,170 I think, to identify talent in people. 190 00:08:40,210 --> 00:08:45,150 What I'm interested in is-- is really teaching young people 191 00:08:45,190 --> 00:08:47,090 how to be in business for themselves. 192 00:08:47,130 --> 00:08:48,180 (Virgil Roberts) Suge first came to see Dick 193 00:08:48,220 --> 00:08:51,150 because he was managing a young guy 194 00:08:51,190 --> 00:08:54,170 named Mario Johnson, p.k.a. Chocolate, 195 00:08:54,210 --> 00:08:56,230 who had written a number of songs 196 00:08:57,030 --> 00:08:58,200 on a Vanilla Ice album. 197 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,210 (Mario Johnson) I did all of his songs at his kitchen table at his house. 198 00:09:02,010 --> 00:09:03,070 Me and Quake would do tracks, 199 00:09:03,110 --> 00:09:05,020 and I would go to his house and write, 200 00:09:05,060 --> 00:09:08,020 give him songs, and he would learn 'em. 201 00:09:08,060 --> 00:09:09,110 (Virgil Roberts) He had gotten some credit on the album, 202 00:09:09,150 --> 00:09:11,070 but they hadn't paid him 203 00:09:11,110 --> 00:09:12,230 and wouldn't return his phone calls. 204 00:09:13,030 --> 00:09:14,220 I couldn't get in contact with him, 205 00:09:15,020 --> 00:09:16,160 but the record wasn't doing anything at that time. 206 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,230 And then, when the video hit BET 207 00:09:19,030 --> 00:09:21,020 is when the record started taking off. 208 00:09:21,060 --> 00:09:23,150 (Suge Knight) The thing happened so fast, it blew up so quick, 209 00:09:23,190 --> 00:09:25,070 the first thing they wanted to do 210 00:09:25,110 --> 00:09:28,030 is tell me, "Look, we'll give you a couple dollars. 211 00:09:28,070 --> 00:09:30,020 You know, let bygones be bygones." 212 00:09:30,060 --> 00:09:31,170 I was, like-- I wouldn't go for it. 213 00:09:31,210 --> 00:09:33,230 Suge came to me at the Palm Restaurant first 214 00:09:34,030 --> 00:09:35,010 and just sat down, and said, "Hello." 215 00:09:35,050 --> 00:09:36,150 He was kind of nice, you know? 216 00:09:36,190 --> 00:09:38,040 It kind of scared us 'cause he was really intimidating. 217 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:39,220 You know, he had, like, six or seven guys with him 218 00:09:40,020 --> 00:09:41,030 that looked like a football team. 219 00:09:41,070 --> 00:09:42,110 We already knew where he was staying 220 00:09:42,150 --> 00:09:44,050 because I was supposed to be hearing some tracks 221 00:09:44,090 --> 00:09:47,060 that he was doing, but for some reason, 222 00:09:47,100 --> 00:09:49,060 they wanted me to just come by myself. 223 00:09:49,100 --> 00:09:50,090 You know what I'm saying? 224 00:09:50,130 --> 00:09:51,140 And Suge was like, "Why they just want you 225 00:09:51,180 --> 00:09:53,060 "to go by yourself? 226 00:09:53,100 --> 00:09:54,200 "They already tried to beat you out of money. 227 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:56,220 They done beat you out of songs-- I'm going with you." 228 00:09:57,020 --> 00:09:58,120 They whole attitude probably was, "Look, 229 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,010 "we was gonna go in there and tell him, 230 00:10:00,050 --> 00:10:01,220 "'We gonna do it like this, and give him a check,' 231 00:10:02,020 --> 00:10:03,230 and he gonna shut up." 232 00:10:04,030 --> 00:10:05,170 I had a different program when we met. 233 00:10:05,210 --> 00:10:07,040 One day, I went into my hotel room, 234 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,180 and he was in there, and he's with several people. 235 00:10:09,220 --> 00:10:11,100 And then, he-- then he let me know 236 00:10:11,140 --> 00:10:13,040 what he wanted, and he wanted 237 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,020 to get some points off the record "Ice Ice Baby." 238 00:10:16,060 --> 00:10:18,210 I'm, like, "Look, you can't give me nothing. 239 00:10:19,010 --> 00:10:19,230 "It's what I'm gonna give you 240 00:10:20,030 --> 00:10:23,020 "because you then get the rights to put it out there 241 00:10:23,060 --> 00:10:25,170 "'cause I haven't got paid, and my client hasn't got paid. 242 00:10:25,210 --> 00:10:27,170 I remember watching "Primetime Live," 243 00:10:27,210 --> 00:10:29,090 the interview with Vanilla Ice. 244 00:10:29,130 --> 00:10:30,180 (Vanilla Ice) Suge took me out on the balcony, 245 00:10:30,220 --> 00:10:32,010 started talking to me personally. 246 00:10:32,050 --> 00:10:34,180 He had me look over the edge, 247 00:10:34,220 --> 00:10:37,020 show me how high I was up there. 248 00:10:37,060 --> 00:10:38,020 (reporter) Were you scared? 249 00:10:38,060 --> 00:10:41,070 (Vanilla Ice laughs) 250 00:10:41,110 --> 00:10:42,220 I needed to wear a diaper on that day. 251 00:10:43,020 --> 00:10:44,220 He didn't, first of all, hang me off from any balcony 252 00:10:45,020 --> 00:10:46,220 or any of this stuff, okay? 253 00:10:47,020 --> 00:10:48,140 The story's been kind of blown out of proportion. 254 00:10:48,180 --> 00:10:50,150 And I want to clarify right now 255 00:10:50,190 --> 00:10:53,000 that Suge and I have no bad feelings 256 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:54,170 or anything towards each other. 257 00:10:54,210 --> 00:11:00,170 We had to sue EMI and Winkle 258 00:11:00,210 --> 00:11:02,110 to recover that money. 259 00:11:02,150 --> 00:11:04,190 And it was more than a year in the settlement 260 00:11:04,230 --> 00:11:07,180 of that lawsuit that Chocolate finally got paid. 261 00:11:07,220 --> 00:11:09,200 It doesn't mean he didn't get hung over the balcony, 262 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:11,210 but if he did, it didn't make him go pay. 263 00:11:12,010 --> 00:11:13,170 You can look at it like-- 264 00:11:13,210 --> 00:11:15,160 like I was an investor in Death Row Records 265 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,160 with no return on my money. 266 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,020 (Virgil Roberts) Suge said, "Well, you know, I got some other clients 267 00:11:21,060 --> 00:11:25,020 "who also have written songs and produced records, 268 00:11:25,060 --> 00:11:26,220 and they haven't been paid either." 269 00:11:27,020 --> 00:11:29,220 He shows up on my doorstep 270 00:11:30,020 --> 00:11:34,080 with these two guys called D.O.C. and Dre. 271 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:36,090 D.O.C. was the storyteller. 272 00:11:36,130 --> 00:11:39,000 The D.O.C. was the guy 273 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,220 that came up with those great stories. 274 00:11:43,020 --> 00:11:46,040 He was probably the single most influential person 275 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:47,170 in gangsta rap. 276 00:11:47,210 --> 00:11:51,030 Dre basically made Ruthless Records. 277 00:11:51,070 --> 00:11:53,140 I mean, you know, he did the music. 278 00:11:53,180 --> 00:11:55,180 He probably the one who, you know, 279 00:11:55,220 --> 00:11:57,200 knew how to work with the artists. 280 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,190 And it supposed to been him and Eazy's company together. 281 00:12:01,230 --> 00:12:05,110 Then, when Eazy met Jerry, 282 00:12:05,150 --> 00:12:08,230 Jerry came in, and X'd Dre out, 283 00:12:09,030 --> 00:12:09,230 and said, "You know, Eric, I'll give you 284 00:12:10,030 --> 00:12:11,060 "a little bit more money. 285 00:12:11,100 --> 00:12:13,190 We'll just use Dre basically as a slave." 286 00:12:13,230 --> 00:12:16,010 They had the worst contracts I had ever seen 287 00:12:16,050 --> 00:12:19,000 in the history of the record business. 288 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:23,040 The contracts that Ruthless and Jerry Heller 289 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,020 had with NWA and Dre-- 290 00:12:26,060 --> 00:12:27,100 I guess if I said "draconian," 291 00:12:27,140 --> 00:12:29,030 that would be a kind word. 292 00:12:29,070 --> 00:12:31,110 (Virgil Roberts) In the process of having a number of conversations 293 00:12:31,150 --> 00:12:34,040 with D.O.C. and Dre, the question came up 294 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,080 about how can we be assured 295 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,000 that we're gonna get paid in the future? 296 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,060 Dick said, "Look, Dre, if you can make records 297 00:12:40,100 --> 00:12:42,030 "the way you make records, I'll show you 298 00:12:42,070 --> 00:12:43,170 "how to start a company. 299 00:12:43,210 --> 00:12:46,000 "You won't have to worry about people paying you. 300 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:48,230 You will have a company that you own and control." 301 00:12:49,030 --> 00:12:52,140 I suggested that, "Why don't you guys 302 00:12:52,180 --> 00:12:54,030 "go and talk to Eazy 303 00:12:54,070 --> 00:12:55,140 "and see if you can make a deal 304 00:12:55,180 --> 00:13:00,070 "where Dre continues to produce Eazy for Ruthless, 305 00:13:00,110 --> 00:13:05,000 he continues to produce NWA and the other acts." 306 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,120 I was consulting for Ruthless for Eazy-E, 307 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:09,160 working through Jerry Heller. 308 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,180 One day, Dre came in with Suge to my office in Hollywood 309 00:13:12,220 --> 00:13:16,030 and simply said they had left Ruthless, 310 00:13:16,070 --> 00:13:20,060 were starting their own company called Death Row Records. 311 00:13:20,100 --> 00:13:22,190 It didn't go down the way it was supposed to. 312 00:13:22,230 --> 00:13:25,150 And so, Eazy had to be persuaded 313 00:13:25,190 --> 00:13:28,120 to make some moves to make things happen. 314 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,100 (Jeffrey Jolson-Colburn) According to court papers, Suge and friends 315 00:13:31,140 --> 00:13:34,090 basically came in and told Eric and Jerry Heller 316 00:13:34,130 --> 00:13:36,140 Dre was leaving, and they couldn't stop them, 317 00:13:36,180 --> 00:13:39,190 and that this was not just legal. 318 00:13:39,230 --> 00:13:42,080 It was physical, it was personal. 319 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:44,090 The stories that Eric, E, told 320 00:13:44,130 --> 00:13:46,190 was that they came in with baseball bats, threatened guns. 321 00:13:46,230 --> 00:13:48,050 And they threatened his life and told him 322 00:13:48,090 --> 00:13:50,050 that they would kill his mother, 323 00:13:50,090 --> 00:13:51,230 and that they were holding me hostage. 324 00:13:52,030 --> 00:13:54,070 Under those kinds of duress, 325 00:13:54,110 --> 00:13:56,070 got him to sign releases for Dr. Dre. 326 00:13:56,110 --> 00:13:57,210 I wasn't there. 327 00:13:58,010 --> 00:14:00,020 I wasn't in the room. 328 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,220 But when Eazy-E said in the papers 329 00:14:03,020 --> 00:14:06,050 that me and the chairman of Sony, Tommy Mattola, 330 00:14:06,090 --> 00:14:09,120 was in the room with bats and pipes, 331 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:10,210 he's obviously a liar. 332 00:14:11,010 --> 00:14:12,090 There's no question that we have 333 00:14:12,130 --> 00:14:15,050 substantial documentary evidence of a conspiracy here. 334 00:14:15,090 --> 00:14:19,070 (Jeffrey Jolson-Colburn) Eric Wright, Eazy-E, filed a RICO lawsuit against them. 335 00:14:19,110 --> 00:14:20,220 It was the first time RICO 336 00:14:21,020 --> 00:14:22,180 had been used in the music business. 337 00:14:22,220 --> 00:14:24,040 RICO is a racketeering law, 338 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,050 so it's the thing that they use to get the Mafia 339 00:14:27,090 --> 00:14:29,200 when they can't get the Mafia leaders on anything else. 340 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,000 Eazy-E's lawsuit contended that there was money laundering, 341 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,210 extortion, threats, and violent intimidation. 342 00:14:36,010 --> 00:14:39,030 Not only was it charged against Suge and Death Row 343 00:14:39,070 --> 00:14:42,090 for stealing what was their top producer, Dr. Dre, 344 00:14:42,130 --> 00:14:45,030 it was charged against Sony Music. 345 00:14:45,070 --> 00:14:47,200 From day one, this label was born 346 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:49,210 amidst a controversy that involved violence. 347 00:14:56,060 --> 00:14:59,230 The initial understanding was that D.O.C. and Dre 348 00:15:00,030 --> 00:15:02,190 and Dick and Suge would be partners of this company. 349 00:15:02,230 --> 00:15:05,050 Each one of the artists that started this at the beginning, 350 00:15:05,090 --> 00:15:06,140 I got a lot of love for, 351 00:15:06,180 --> 00:15:10,020 and they always will be a part of the family 352 00:15:10,060 --> 00:15:13,010 on the strength that they took that chance. 353 00:15:13,050 --> 00:15:15,120 It's not like they just-- we had a name out there. 354 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,210 It's not like we had a lot of money to give 'em. 355 00:15:19,010 --> 00:15:21,020 They money I gave ''em came out of my pocket. 356 00:15:21,060 --> 00:15:23,130 Back then, Suge was, like, very behind the scenes, 357 00:15:23,170 --> 00:15:28,100 and helpful, and quiet, humble, non-visible. 358 00:15:28,140 --> 00:15:29,220 He didn't like cameras. 359 00:15:30,020 --> 00:15:31,210 He was invisible, the invisible man. 360 00:15:32,010 --> 00:15:34,170 (Dr. Dre) His role was to handle the day-to-day business 361 00:15:34,210 --> 00:15:36,210 dealing with the artists, dealing with distributors, 362 00:15:37,010 --> 00:15:38,170 and record companies, and what have you. 363 00:15:38,210 --> 00:15:40,100 My job was to go in here, 364 00:15:40,140 --> 00:15:42,170 and push these buttons, and make the records happen. 365 00:15:42,210 --> 00:15:45,120 (man) Everybody was following Dre 366 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:48,130 because people knew that Dre was the man. 367 00:15:48,170 --> 00:15:50,030 Like, everything that he touched 368 00:15:50,070 --> 00:15:53,030 was, like, you know, gold, or platinum, or better. 369 00:15:53,070 --> 00:15:55,020 That's who everyone wanted to work with then. 370 00:15:55,060 --> 00:15:58,090 He was actually the most bankable person at that time 371 00:15:58,130 --> 00:16:01,160 pretty much in the industry, from the R&B-rap standpoint. 372 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:04,100 Everybody was taking direction from Dre 373 00:16:04,140 --> 00:16:05,190 as for as he knows what he's doing. 374 00:16:05,230 --> 00:16:08,070 He just finished doing NWA albums 375 00:16:08,110 --> 00:16:10,020 that's double and triple platinum, 376 00:16:10,060 --> 00:16:13,070 so you have to have confidence in what you've seen. 377 00:16:13,110 --> 00:16:15,050 You've watched this man make money. 378 00:16:15,090 --> 00:16:16,160 Warren G was my best friend, 379 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,070 and Nate Dogg was my best friend, 380 00:16:18,110 --> 00:16:19,230 so we formulated 213. 381 00:16:20,030 --> 00:16:23,150 And Warren G was the DJ, I was the rapper, 382 00:16:23,190 --> 00:16:25,000 Nate Dogg would sing the hooks. 383 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:26,130 We didn't have drum machines back then. 384 00:16:26,170 --> 00:16:30,000 All we had was records, and turntables, and a microphone. 385 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,030 Warren G called me on the three-way with, like, 386 00:16:32,070 --> 00:16:34,020 "Snoop, I got Dre on the phone, cuz. 387 00:16:34,060 --> 00:16:37,020 "He like the tape, he wanna work with us, cuz. 388 00:16:37,060 --> 00:16:39,230 "He wanna work--" I was like, "Nigga, stop lying." 389 00:16:40,030 --> 00:16:42,010 And he said, "Hello?" I said, "Who this?" 390 00:16:42,050 --> 00:16:43,190 He said, "It's Dre." 391 00:16:43,230 --> 00:16:45,010 He said, "Man, that shit was dope, man. 392 00:16:45,050 --> 00:16:47,060 I wanna get with you, come to the studio Monday." 393 00:16:47,100 --> 00:16:48,150 (Nate Dogg) At that time, it was a dream 394 00:16:48,190 --> 00:16:50,230 just to be in the same room with Dr. Dre, you know? 395 00:16:51,030 --> 00:16:54,050 Dr. Dre wants us to come to the studio where he is. 396 00:16:54,090 --> 00:16:56,180 I'd have jogged up there if I didn't have a car. 397 00:16:56,220 --> 00:16:58,160 (Snoop Dogg) I wanted to appreciate the game 398 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,120 and accept everything that was offered to me, 399 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,030 and learn, and just be a student at the time. 400 00:17:03,070 --> 00:17:06,000 They were housed in my building, 401 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,010 so they didn't have a lot of expenses. 402 00:17:08,050 --> 00:17:10,100 You have to understand that the greatest expense 403 00:17:10,140 --> 00:17:13,230 in making a record is the studio time. 404 00:17:14,030 --> 00:17:15,090 I didn't have a lot of knowledge 405 00:17:15,130 --> 00:17:17,200 about the rap or hip-hop scenario, 406 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:22,090 so I kinda let them do their own thing. 407 00:17:22,130 --> 00:17:24,160 (Snoop Dogg) Some nights we used to stay up there all night, 408 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,140 didn't leave till, like, 5:00, 6:00 in the morning. 409 00:17:26,180 --> 00:17:27,230 I mean, it had a special vibe up there. 410 00:17:28,030 --> 00:17:29,130 You just wanted to be there. 411 00:17:29,170 --> 00:17:31,050 Even if you wasn't working on a song, 412 00:17:31,090 --> 00:17:33,100 you just wanted to be there because it had that atmosphere. 413 00:17:33,140 --> 00:17:34,180 It just was the spot to be at. 414 00:17:34,220 --> 00:17:36,030 It was right in the middle of Hollywood. 415 00:17:36,070 --> 00:17:38,100 And, you know, it was just the place to be for us. 416 00:17:38,140 --> 00:17:40,200 And we was young, and we never really had been 417 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:42,010 out of the neighborhood, and, you know, 418 00:17:42,050 --> 00:17:45,230 we was getting a chance to see it all in bright lights. 419 00:17:46,030 --> 00:17:50,190 And this was the same studio that Shalamar, Lakeside, 420 00:17:50,230 --> 00:17:53,090 The Whispers, Babyface, The Deele-- 421 00:17:53,130 --> 00:17:56,020 all of them recorded all their albums in the same studios. 422 00:18:01,210 --> 00:18:04,080 (Virgil Roberts) On a business level and on a day-to-day basis, 423 00:18:04,120 --> 00:18:06,100 it was merely existing. 424 00:18:06,140 --> 00:18:09,230 It seemed like they were trying to find somebody 425 00:18:10,030 --> 00:18:13,010 to put some money into it or somebody to help them out. 426 00:18:13,050 --> 00:18:15,000 (Snoop Dogg) Money was hard to come by back then 427 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:18,040 because there wasn't no structure, there was no label. 428 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,010 And Suge Knight did all he could do at the time 429 00:18:20,050 --> 00:18:21,130 as far as, you know, going in his pocket, 430 00:18:21,170 --> 00:18:23,230 his bank account to get us money. 431 00:18:24,030 --> 00:18:25,080 Dre didn't really have no money. 432 00:18:25,120 --> 00:18:26,150 He was leaving NWA. 433 00:18:36,180 --> 00:18:42,000 ♪♪ (tense music) 434 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:47,190 Dick had made a deal with Suge, D.O.C., and Dre 435 00:18:47,230 --> 00:18:50,160 to sell him a recording studio that he owned. 436 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,180 That was gonna be something that they would own 437 00:18:52,220 --> 00:18:55,160 separate from the Death Row label 438 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,170 because they wanted to have something that they owned. 439 00:18:57,210 --> 00:19:00,190 Suge came along and said he had found somebody 440 00:19:00,230 --> 00:19:03,190 to help them finance the purchase of the studio. 441 00:19:03,230 --> 00:19:05,160 It's always been a subject of speculation 442 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,020 where they got their original funding, 443 00:19:07,060 --> 00:19:10,020 and the FBI is continuing to look into this. 444 00:19:10,060 --> 00:19:12,040 There are so many things you hear about this situation. 445 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:13,130 I tell you this. 446 00:19:13,170 --> 00:19:17,110 Mike Harris was firmly planted in the middle of it. 447 00:19:17,150 --> 00:19:19,210 Well, on the news, they used to call Mike "The Godfather." 448 00:19:20,010 --> 00:19:21,100 Tonight, the story of a man 449 00:19:21,140 --> 00:19:23,120 who tried to murder his best friend 450 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:24,220 at the same time he was attempting 451 00:19:25,020 --> 00:19:27,140 to win his way into Beverly Hills acceptance. 452 00:19:27,180 --> 00:19:31,010 This is Michael Harris, a man drug agents describe 453 00:19:31,050 --> 00:19:33,140 as a major cocaine trafficker. 454 00:19:33,180 --> 00:19:35,190 At the young age of 26, 455 00:19:35,230 --> 00:19:39,010 he had already made millions of dollars. 456 00:19:39,050 --> 00:19:40,150 These are his roots, 457 00:19:40,190 --> 00:19:43,000 the streets of South Central Los Angeles, 458 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,210 where he started pushing dope on street corners 459 00:19:46,010 --> 00:19:49,140 and hung with a Blood street gang called The Bounty Hunters. 460 00:19:49,180 --> 00:19:53,080 In the drug world, he is known as "Harry O." 461 00:19:53,120 --> 00:19:55,180 (Jay King) Mike Harris was a known entity in our community. 462 00:19:55,220 --> 00:19:57,170 You know, he was this guy bigger than life 463 00:19:57,210 --> 00:20:01,050 because Mike Harris was in jail doing things. 464 00:20:01,090 --> 00:20:05,130 Prior to his incarceration, he was very visible. 465 00:20:05,170 --> 00:20:09,100 He had started doing numerous things in the community. 466 00:20:09,140 --> 00:20:12,030 (news anchor) Harris built an organization that distributed cocaine 467 00:20:12,070 --> 00:20:16,100 in California, Arizona, Texas, Michigan, Illinois, Iowa, 468 00:20:16,140 --> 00:20:20,050 Indiana, Missouri, Louisiana, Florida, and New York. 469 00:20:20,090 --> 00:20:23,120 Investigators say he dealt so much cocaine, 470 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,210 major Columbian drug kingpins like Mario Villabona 471 00:20:27,010 --> 00:20:29,220 were obliged to deal directly with Harris. 472 00:20:30,020 --> 00:20:32,020 But like a mob godfather, Harris sought 473 00:20:32,060 --> 00:20:34,080 to legitimize his illicit fortune 474 00:20:34,120 --> 00:20:36,180 and gain Beverly Hills respectability. 475 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:58,140 Mike Harris had a wonderful background in entertainment. 476 00:20:58,180 --> 00:21:01,060 I think he was the first African-American ever 477 00:21:01,100 --> 00:21:03,220 to produce a Broadway show that was a smash, 478 00:21:04,020 --> 00:21:06,210 and it gave Denzel Washington his start. 479 00:21:07,010 --> 00:21:08,120 "Checkmates" was the name of the play. 480 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:12,010 The play opened on Broadway. 481 00:21:12,050 --> 00:21:15,210 Many of us African-Americans have been on Broadway, 482 00:21:16,010 --> 00:21:18,180 on the screen, out front singing and dancing, 483 00:21:18,220 --> 00:21:22,180 but very few of us have been there as producers. 484 00:21:22,220 --> 00:21:24,200 I thought he was an entrepreneur in New York. 485 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,040 Had no idea that he was in jail. 486 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,090 The first time I met Michael, it was a drug case 487 00:21:29,130 --> 00:21:31,180 involving Bo Bennett and Mario Villabona. 488 00:21:31,220 --> 00:21:33,210 That trial went and resulted in a number of convictions 489 00:21:34,010 --> 00:21:35,230 that went to trial in a federal court. 490 00:21:36,030 --> 00:21:37,160 And after that case, Michael, I believe, 491 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,230 contacted David Kenner to have him 492 00:21:40,030 --> 00:21:42,020 represent him on his appeal. 493 00:21:42,060 --> 00:21:45,080 (Sam Gideon Anson) David Kenner was a longtime Los Angeles criminal attorney. 494 00:21:45,120 --> 00:21:48,070 By the late '80s, he had become part of a fraternity 495 00:21:48,110 --> 00:21:51,170 of top flight attorneys that handled a lot of federal cases, 496 00:21:51,210 --> 00:21:53,110 a lot of big drug cases downtown. 497 00:21:53,150 --> 00:21:55,080 In the course of his legal work, 498 00:21:55,120 --> 00:21:57,030 he became Michael Harris's attorney. 499 00:21:57,070 --> 00:21:59,140 I think if you look at clients of his over time, 500 00:21:59,180 --> 00:22:03,000 David has a habit of getting very close to his clients, 501 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,200 and getting very involved in his clients' lives, 502 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,020 perhaps more so than would be wise for a lawyer. 503 00:22:09,060 --> 00:22:12,080 David just, you know, fell in love with Michael, 504 00:22:12,120 --> 00:22:13,220 and they became friends. 505 00:22:14,020 --> 00:22:16,070 He was, you know-- he was a friend to us, you know? 506 00:22:16,110 --> 00:22:17,200 I looked at him like family. 507 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:19,170 I was out in LA by myself, 508 00:22:19,210 --> 00:22:21,210 and he, like, you know, took me in. 509 00:22:22,010 --> 00:22:24,040 You know, him and his family, we'd go out to eat. 510 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,140 I mean, we would, like, do everything together. 511 00:22:27,180 --> 00:22:29,180 (Sam Gideon Anson) He became someone who was a confidant, 512 00:22:29,220 --> 00:22:31,000 a friend of Michael Harris's, 513 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,100 and also involved in business with Michael Harris. 514 00:22:34,140 --> 00:22:36,220 (Virgil Roberts) I think that he's a lawyer who had a lot of money, 515 00:22:37,020 --> 00:22:38,220 and he represented people who had a lot of money. 516 00:22:39,020 --> 00:22:41,120 And it would not be unusual to me 517 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,060 for somebody who represented people with money to say, 518 00:22:44,100 --> 00:22:45,010 "I want to invest." 519 00:22:58,030 --> 00:23:01,000 Everybody wants to be in the music business. 520 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,070 In the years that I worked, I've gotten tapes and offers 521 00:23:04,110 --> 00:23:08,030 from everyone, from politicians, you know, 522 00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:11,050 to businessmen who want to be in the entertainment business. 523 00:23:23,170 --> 00:23:24,180 They started talking. 524 00:23:24,220 --> 00:23:26,020 You know, Mike said, "You got Dr. Dre." 525 00:23:26,060 --> 00:23:28,050 And Suge said, "Yeah, you know, he a producer." 526 00:23:38,150 --> 00:23:39,190 Mike said, "Well, we need to meet." 527 00:23:39,230 --> 00:23:41,130 And Suge said, "Well, I got a couple of cases. 528 00:23:41,170 --> 00:23:43,200 You know, I can't get in to visit you." 529 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,050 So Mike said, "No, I got this attorney. 530 00:23:46,090 --> 00:23:48,010 He's bad, he can get you in here." 531 00:23:48,050 --> 00:23:50,150 (Sam Gideon Anson) David Kenner brought Suge Knight 532 00:23:50,190 --> 00:23:53,150 to see Michael at Metropolitan Detention Center 533 00:23:53,190 --> 00:23:54,140 in Downtown Los Angeles. 534 00:24:05,150 --> 00:24:08,040 They set down their basic business plan 535 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,190 that they would start a company called Godfather Entertainment, 536 00:24:10,230 --> 00:24:13,170 and one division of it would be Death Row Records. 537 00:24:38,190 --> 00:24:42,120 One day, I see these two people 538 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,130 walk in the building who I'd never seen before. 539 00:24:44,170 --> 00:24:46,150 And one was David Kenner, 540 00:24:46,190 --> 00:24:48,050 and the other was Lydia Harris. 541 00:24:48,090 --> 00:24:51,020 In the summer of 1991, Kenner started coming around. 542 00:24:51,060 --> 00:24:52,210 There was a lot of buzz about this company, 543 00:24:53,010 --> 00:24:56,080 a lot of expectations that it could be a successful company. 544 00:24:56,120 --> 00:24:59,000 And David was one of the people around at the time 545 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:00,230 making a play to be Suge's partner, 546 00:25:01,030 --> 00:25:02,150 and to take care of business for Suge, 547 00:25:02,190 --> 00:25:04,020 to handle business for Suge. 548 00:25:04,060 --> 00:25:07,130 A couple days after Mrs. Harris and David Kenner came in, 549 00:25:07,170 --> 00:25:09,160 things actually changed drastically. 550 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,190 Immediately, the studio gets carpeted. 551 00:25:11,230 --> 00:25:13,210 Things are getting fixed. 552 00:25:14,010 --> 00:25:15,210 I'm starting getting presented with money 553 00:25:16,010 --> 00:25:18,230 to find apartments for the artists that hadn't-- 554 00:25:19,030 --> 00:25:20,220 that didn't have any apartments, didn't have any money. 555 00:25:21,020 --> 00:25:22,230 I'm also given an allowance for them. 556 00:25:23,030 --> 00:25:26,140 I saw a few little upgrades in the studio, 557 00:25:26,180 --> 00:25:29,230 some chairs, some speakers. 558 00:25:30,030 --> 00:25:32,040 And I was also told we'll be getting collect calls, 559 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:33,200 and to accept them, and to find Suge, 560 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,040 where he was, and connect them. 561 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,000 We were assigned by them to may-- build an awareness 562 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,040 for Godfather Entertainment, and to kick off 563 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,040 their first vehicle, which is Death Row Records, 564 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:45,160 to the industry. 565 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,060 Norman Winter, in his infinite wisdom, said, 566 00:25:48,100 --> 00:25:52,030 "Let's take the boys into Beverly Hills. 567 00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:54,120 Let's stick it in everybody's face." 568 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,180 So off to Chasen's. 569 00:25:56,220 --> 00:26:00,080 Let me see you put your hands together and say, "Oh, yeah!" 570 00:26:00,120 --> 00:26:01,170 (all) Oh, yeah! 571 00:26:01,210 --> 00:26:04,230 (emcee) Let me see somebody give Dre, Suge, D.O.C. 572 00:26:05,030 --> 00:26:06,060 a round of applause. 573 00:26:06,100 --> 00:26:08,040 Death Row Records is gonna be 574 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,140 the record company of the 2000s. 575 00:26:10,180 --> 00:26:11,140 We were thinking about putting in 576 00:26:11,180 --> 00:26:13,150 metal detectors at the entrance. 577 00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:17,060 Everyone gets served with subpoenas as an invitation. 578 00:26:17,100 --> 00:26:19,150 "You are hereby ordered to appear 579 00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:21,180 "before the honorable Dr. Dre 580 00:26:21,220 --> 00:26:24,040 "and the offices of GF Entertainment 581 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,160 "as a guest of the court to witness the springing-- 582 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,190 springing of Death Row Records." 583 00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:30,050 Put your hands together! 584 00:26:30,090 --> 00:26:32,080 Come on, y'all, make some noise. 585 00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:37,020 We invited virtually every major record company executive 586 00:26:37,060 --> 00:26:39,070 in Los Angeles and New York. 587 00:26:39,110 --> 00:26:41,210 And it was so big, that we originally planned 588 00:26:42,010 --> 00:26:45,110 on spending around 20,000, 25,000. 589 00:26:45,150 --> 00:26:47,140 I tell you, it turned out to be 35,000 or 50,000. 590 00:26:47,180 --> 00:26:49,130 They had enough money at that time behind 'em, 591 00:26:49,170 --> 00:26:51,000 and they looked good. 592 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,040 For somebody that comes out of nowhere 593 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,000 to have a party at Chasen's on Grammy night, 594 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,010 which is reserved generally for all the white people. 595 00:26:59,050 --> 00:27:02,010 It's also a place that would never be associated 596 00:27:02,050 --> 00:27:03,130 with rap music in any way 597 00:27:03,170 --> 00:27:06,100 unless it was something co-sponsored by a white group. 598 00:27:06,140 --> 00:27:09,120 The market we're going after, we're mainly for the people. 599 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,000 I mean, for us, the West Coast 600 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,090 there's a lot of talent around that guys, 601 00:27:13,130 --> 00:27:14,130 we don't have the opportunity 602 00:27:14,170 --> 00:27:17,000 to have a chance to prove themselves. 603 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,220 So as far as GF Entertainment goes with the studio 604 00:27:20,020 --> 00:27:22,030 and the films, we giving all the youngsters 605 00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:25,130 the opportunities from all the neighborhoods where-- 606 00:27:25,170 --> 00:27:27,100 basically, we haven't forgot where we came from. 607 00:27:27,140 --> 00:27:30,220 I personally interviewed all of the players that were there. 608 00:27:31,020 --> 00:27:33,170 GF Entertainment is a multimedia company. 609 00:27:33,210 --> 00:27:35,190 We have Death Row Records. 610 00:27:35,230 --> 00:27:39,120 We have a movie production unit, concerts. 611 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,090 We're gonna be doing pay-per-view concerts 612 00:27:41,130 --> 00:27:43,200 and all kinds of exciting things. 613 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,050 In the beginning, they was giving Mike his props, 614 00:27:47,090 --> 00:27:49,200 and they was recognizing that there was another entity 615 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,000 that helped this be one major powwow. 616 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,040 (man) When it came to Dave Kenner, 617 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:59,170 he toasted the man who made it all responsible, Harry O. 618 00:27:59,210 --> 00:28:02,000 The label started with Dr. Dre, 619 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,020 who was gonna do his own thing, 620 00:28:04,060 --> 00:28:07,230 and with a lot of help from Suge Knight, and Harry O., 621 00:28:08,030 --> 00:28:09,220 and a number of people, and we got it all together. 622 00:28:10,020 --> 00:28:12,050 And that's on tape, and the FBI 623 00:28:12,090 --> 00:28:14,010 confiscated that from me... 624 00:28:14,050 --> 00:28:18,000 uh, under very rude circumstances. 625 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:19,010 (gunshot) 626 00:28:23,010 --> 00:28:25,030 (Virgil Roberts) When Death Row was in the Solar offices, 627 00:28:25,070 --> 00:28:27,140 we pretty much gave over to the one floor. 628 00:28:27,180 --> 00:28:31,160 There were a lot of young street folks hanging out, 629 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,210 but it wasn't what it became. 630 00:28:34,010 --> 00:28:37,050 Unfortunately, there was-- there was a lot of tension. 631 00:28:37,090 --> 00:28:38,170 An element showed up 632 00:28:38,210 --> 00:28:41,090 that my people were not accustomed to. 633 00:28:41,130 --> 00:28:45,110 Dre had invited these guys over to the studio. 634 00:28:45,150 --> 00:28:49,150 When Suge came, these guys were using the phone. 635 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,110 So he told him, "Hey, man, get off the phone. 636 00:29:04,150 --> 00:29:07,190 So the guy says to Suge, 637 00:29:07,230 --> 00:29:11,010 "Hey, man, we were invited up here by Dre, 638 00:29:11,050 --> 00:29:13,170 and Dre told us that we could use this phone." 639 00:29:21,170 --> 00:29:23,200 An argument ensued. 640 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:28,070 Suge went down to the car and got a gun. 641 00:29:40,050 --> 00:29:44,150 And hey, he beat these guys up in the studio. 642 00:29:44,190 --> 00:29:46,230 He shot through the wall to scare 'em. 643 00:29:47,030 --> 00:29:48,190 The hole is in the wall over there. 644 00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:51,010 The cops came and dug the bullet out, you know. 645 00:29:51,050 --> 00:29:54,030 (news anchor) George and Lynwood Stanley later sued Knight. 646 00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:56,230 He agreed on a $1 million settlement, 647 00:29:57,030 --> 00:29:59,130 but only paid a third of it. 648 00:29:59,170 --> 00:30:01,170 ♪ Y-- Y-- Yeah ♪ 649 00:30:01,210 --> 00:30:02,170 ♪ And you don't stop ♪ 650 00:30:02,210 --> 00:30:04,060 "Deep Cover." "Deep Cover." 651 00:30:04,100 --> 00:30:08,010 (Virgil Roberts) "Deep Cover" was-- was a critical success. 652 00:30:08,050 --> 00:30:11,100 It was the introduction of Dre as a solo artist. 653 00:30:11,140 --> 00:30:13,210 ♪ I'm on a mission, and my mission won't stop ♪ 654 00:30:14,010 --> 00:30:15,070 (Kevin Powell) It was the introduction of Dre 655 00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:17,070 as a mentor to other artists, 656 00:30:17,110 --> 00:30:18,230 in this case, Snoop Doggy Dogg. 657 00:30:19,030 --> 00:30:21,080 ♪ 1-8-7 on a undercover cop ♪ 658 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,100 ♪ Yeah, and you don't stop ♪ 659 00:30:23,140 --> 00:30:26,080 ♪ 'Cause it's 1-8-7 on a undercover cop ♪ 660 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,100 ♪ Yeah, and you don't stop ♪ 661 00:30:28,140 --> 00:30:30,130 By Snoop blowing up on "Deep Cover," 662 00:30:30,170 --> 00:30:32,100 I looked at that like we were all blowing up 663 00:30:32,140 --> 00:30:34,140 'cause I always knew we did music together, 664 00:30:34,180 --> 00:30:36,230 and I always had confidence in our music, 665 00:30:37,030 --> 00:30:39,160 that it would sell and it would sell worldwide. 666 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,010 And after the way it blew up with Snoop, 667 00:30:41,050 --> 00:30:42,140 it pumped me up. 668 00:30:42,180 --> 00:30:44,130 Like, man, I can't wait till it's my turn 669 00:30:44,170 --> 00:30:46,020 'cause they really do love what we doing. 670 00:30:46,060 --> 00:30:47,160 That single is so significant 671 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,200 because it shows these two different worlds 672 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:54,100 that Dre was leaving, and where he's going to. 673 00:30:54,140 --> 00:30:55,230 (man) Dr. Dre wanted to make a statement 674 00:30:56,030 --> 00:30:57,020 that he was a solo artist, 675 00:30:57,060 --> 00:30:58,230 that he was a good artist on his own 676 00:30:59,030 --> 00:31:00,120 and a good producer. 677 00:31:01,140 --> 00:31:03,110 The thing back then was we gonna try to come up. 678 00:31:03,150 --> 00:31:06,160 That's all Dre used to talk about is coming up, coming up. 679 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,060 And "The Chronic" was what was supposed to set it off. 680 00:31:13,070 --> 00:31:15,000 What I'm doing right now 681 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,070 is, um, I'll be putting out a solo album soon. 682 00:31:18,110 --> 00:31:20,160 (Nate Dogg) Everybody put their all into the "Chronic" album 683 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,230 because we seen that not only was this 684 00:31:23,030 --> 00:31:24,130 gonna build a record company that we were on 685 00:31:24,170 --> 00:31:25,220 'cause this was the first album 686 00:31:26,020 --> 00:31:28,000 off the record company we were on, 687 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,190 this would build all of our careers. 688 00:31:29,230 --> 00:31:31,140 And we vibe it, straight whatever Dre want. 689 00:31:31,180 --> 00:31:33,040 It's Dre-- "Dre, whatever you want. 690 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,080 You want this concept, Dre? You want this? You want this?" 691 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,100 It's all about Dre, it's all about Compton and Dre. 692 00:31:37,140 --> 00:31:39,140 Dre, Dre, Dre. Boom. 693 00:31:39,180 --> 00:31:42,160 You had Snoop Dogg who just brought, 694 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,130 a whole nother style to rap music. 695 00:31:45,170 --> 00:31:47,090 He has a voice where he can rap over beats 696 00:31:47,130 --> 00:31:50,010 and just rip a beat to pieces. 697 00:31:50,050 --> 00:31:51,150 And a lot of that shit was on the spot, 698 00:31:51,190 --> 00:31:53,120 spontaneous right there. 699 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,090 We just putting the weed together like this, 700 00:31:55,130 --> 00:31:58,130 breaking it down, put it in a Zig-Zag. 701 00:31:58,170 --> 00:32:00,040 Once we twist that shit up and blaze, 702 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,190 if it's the chronic, we're gonna keep it in this-- 703 00:32:02,230 --> 00:32:04,030 you know, unroll that motherfucker, and throw it out, 704 00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:05,170 and come up with some new shit. 705 00:32:05,210 --> 00:32:08,080 (Lamont Blumfield) First of all, you had so many hungry, 706 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,220 starving individuals that, you know, wanted 707 00:32:11,020 --> 00:32:13,130 to be superstars, who put they talent together, 708 00:32:13,170 --> 00:32:15,210 and it came out to be a classic. 709 00:32:16,010 --> 00:32:19,000 The camaraderie in them early days over there, man, 710 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,150 all them cats used to show up to the studio. 711 00:32:21,190 --> 00:32:23,020 They were poor as hell, 712 00:32:23,060 --> 00:32:25,130 but they said, "We're a family." They still had fun. 713 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,190 Yeah! "The Chronic," baby! 714 00:32:29,230 --> 00:32:32,190 (Jewell) So it wasn't like we had money to hang with our friends 715 00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:36,150 or anything like that, so we just hung together. 716 00:32:36,190 --> 00:32:40,030 And we created a masterpiece. 717 00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:41,140 (indistinct chatter) 718 00:32:41,180 --> 00:32:43,160 Check it out. 719 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,040 I think it was a lot of collaboration 720 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,170 on "The Chronic" album as far as names like Daz, 721 00:32:49,210 --> 00:32:53,080 Kurupt, Snoop, Warren G, D.O.C., 722 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,130 RBX, and myself, Rage, Jewell. 723 00:32:56,170 --> 00:32:59,030 We were all starving. 724 00:32:59,070 --> 00:33:00,040 All starving. 725 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:03,080 Dre included. 726 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,020 We would be up there eating Popeye's chicken 727 00:33:05,060 --> 00:33:06,060 five days a week. 728 00:33:06,100 --> 00:33:07,210 I gotta go roll up a joint. 729 00:33:08,010 --> 00:33:10,160 We had weed, the best weed, you know what I'm saying? 730 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:11,130 That's why we made "The Chronic," 731 00:33:11,170 --> 00:33:13,110 because we had the chronic. 732 00:33:13,150 --> 00:33:16,010 I mean, sometimes, we just was in there, you know, 733 00:33:16,050 --> 00:33:20,180 drinking or elevating our minds to another level. 734 00:33:20,220 --> 00:33:23,150 Dre would be, like, working with the beats at the time, 735 00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:25,020 and he would come up with something, 736 00:33:25,060 --> 00:33:27,020 and depending on who was in the studio 737 00:33:27,060 --> 00:33:28,140 at that particular time. 738 00:33:28,180 --> 00:33:30,130 There was people waiting all over the world for that album-- 739 00:33:30,170 --> 00:33:32,070 for Dre's album to drop. 740 00:33:32,110 --> 00:33:34,100 (Virgil Roberts) "The Chronic" was finished. 741 00:33:34,140 --> 00:33:35,210 We had originally thought we were gonna be able 742 00:33:36,010 --> 00:33:37,210 to distribute the record with Sony. 743 00:33:38,010 --> 00:33:40,130 This would have been the first time in history 744 00:33:40,170 --> 00:33:45,120 that young guys would have actually had the opportunity 745 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,000 to have a distribution deal, 746 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:49,220 what they call a P&D deal, 747 00:33:50,020 --> 00:33:52,020 through a major and get all of the money. 748 00:33:52,060 --> 00:33:54,060 Sony refused to distribute "The Chronic." 749 00:33:54,100 --> 00:33:56,230 Sony, because of their fearfulness 750 00:33:57,030 --> 00:34:00,050 of some of the crazy things going on around Death Row 751 00:34:00,090 --> 00:34:03,180 and their wariness of the contractual status of Dr. Dre, 752 00:34:03,220 --> 00:34:05,110 didn't want to get that deal done. 753 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,190 Part of their fears in dealing with rap bands 754 00:34:17,230 --> 00:34:20,010 is that some of these gangster rappers 755 00:34:20,050 --> 00:34:21,150 might turn out to be real gangsters. 756 00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:23,060 Indeed, many of them are. 757 00:34:23,100 --> 00:34:26,000 There's-- any number of these guys go to jail every year. 758 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:27,080 I mean, it's, like, first thing, they-- 759 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,040 you know, they go platinum, then go to jail. 760 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:30,210 (Virgil Roberts) Dick and I then negotiated a deal 761 00:34:31,010 --> 00:34:33,040 with BMG to put out the record. 762 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:34,180 They heard the lyrics, and they said, 763 00:34:34,220 --> 00:34:36,000 "We're not gonna put the record out. 764 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,030 Everybody got afraid of putting out 765 00:34:39,070 --> 00:34:41,190 any kind of rap records with explicit lyrics 766 00:34:41,230 --> 00:34:43,190 that talked about killing cops and stuff. 767 00:34:43,230 --> 00:34:45,150 There wasn't nobody out there with us. 768 00:34:45,190 --> 00:34:47,040 I mean, it was a time when we were shopping a deal. 769 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:48,140 We had an album done. 770 00:34:48,180 --> 00:34:51,200 John McClane Jr. came along. 771 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,180 When he heard the record, he went crazy. 772 00:34:53,220 --> 00:34:55,080 He said, "Griff, Griff, you gotta-- 773 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,110 you gotta give me this, you gotta give me this record." 774 00:34:57,150 --> 00:34:59,170 John said, "I love the record. 775 00:34:59,210 --> 00:35:01,140 Why don't you let me take it to Interscope?" 776 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:11,060 An opportunity appeared for a young, aggressive label 777 00:35:11,100 --> 00:35:13,050 to distribute Death Row, 778 00:35:13,090 --> 00:35:16,060 and two established industry people to deal with-- 779 00:35:16,100 --> 00:35:19,230 Jimmy Iovine, who is a superstar producer of rock records, 780 00:35:20,030 --> 00:35:22,020 and Ted Fields, who had been a movie producer 781 00:35:22,060 --> 00:35:23,180 and produced some hit music. 782 00:35:23,220 --> 00:35:26,110 They had some rather controversial acts 783 00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:29,030 of their own in rock-- Nine Inch Nails. 784 00:35:29,070 --> 00:35:30,190 They signed Tupac Shakur, 785 00:35:30,230 --> 00:35:32,140 the other hottest rapper in the business. 786 00:35:32,180 --> 00:35:34,140 Interscope was out of business. 787 00:35:34,180 --> 00:35:36,050 They were getting ready to close the doors. 788 00:35:36,090 --> 00:35:38,200 Warner's Atlantic was dropping the deal, 789 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,170 and Ted Fields was tired of pouring 790 00:35:41,210 --> 00:35:43,160 his personal money in there. 791 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:48,080 So here comes Dick Griffey with "The Chronic." 792 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,210 Dick and I went and met with Jimmy Iovine, 793 00:35:51,010 --> 00:35:52,120 and we met with David Cohen, 794 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,120 and we played them "The Chronic," 795 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,170 and they said they were interested in making a deal. 796 00:35:56,210 --> 00:36:02,110 So these guys told me-- said, "Look, they-- 797 00:36:02,150 --> 00:36:05,140 we gonna advance you $200,000." 798 00:36:05,180 --> 00:36:07,000 Well, in the meantime, what was-- 799 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,050 what was going on is there was no more money. 800 00:36:09,090 --> 00:36:10,140 There was no cash flow. 801 00:36:10,180 --> 00:36:12,170 Friday, no money, Saturday, no money, 802 00:36:12,210 --> 00:36:14,100 Sunday, no money, Monday, no money. 803 00:36:14,140 --> 00:36:20,100 Tuesday, they advanced $100,000, 804 00:36:20,140 --> 00:36:24,020 for which we had to sign as a loan. 805 00:36:24,060 --> 00:36:28,180 By Wednesday, Suge and Dre are up at Interscope. 806 00:36:28,220 --> 00:36:31,170 Jimmy Iovine got a hold of Dre, 807 00:36:31,210 --> 00:36:33,050 said, "See, Dre? 808 00:36:33,090 --> 00:36:35,140 "They doing it to you again, Dre. 809 00:36:35,180 --> 00:36:37,090 These guys are taking advantage of you. 810 00:36:37,130 --> 00:36:40,070 They then got in touch directly with Suge and said, 811 00:36:40,110 --> 00:36:41,230 "You know, Griffey was here, he won't make us a deal, 812 00:36:42,030 --> 00:36:44,030 but you bring us a record, we'll give you $1 million." 813 00:36:44,070 --> 00:36:45,220 The man, once again, 814 00:36:46,020 --> 00:36:48,080 had done the old divide and conquer. 815 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,140 There's really a lot of prejudice in the business. 816 00:36:50,180 --> 00:36:53,110 And people think it's so much black and white, 817 00:36:53,150 --> 00:36:55,120 but a lot of it is young and old. 818 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,000 Most of our young people don't really know 819 00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:59,230 what's available for them out there, 820 00:37:00,030 --> 00:37:03,100 so that's how they get taken advantage of. 821 00:37:03,140 --> 00:37:05,020 Older guys, only thing they want to do 822 00:37:05,060 --> 00:37:06,170 is sit you down and say, "Look... 823 00:37:06,210 --> 00:37:09,120 "Okay, Suge, you say you're a young entrepreneur. 824 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,040 "This is what we gonna do. 825 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,140 "Give me all the stuff you got-- give me your tapes, 826 00:37:13,180 --> 00:37:16,080 "give me your masters, give me your groups, 827 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:17,200 and I'm gonna go over there and make you a deal." 828 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,090 Suge didn't know contracts. 829 00:37:21,130 --> 00:37:24,180 He didn't know manufacturing, he didn't know publishing. 830 00:37:24,220 --> 00:37:25,200 But you know, my opinion was, 831 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,080 "Look, I ain't no punk. 832 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:28,150 "You don't gotta talk for us. 833 00:37:28,190 --> 00:37:30,080 We gonna go in there and speak for ours self. 834 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,180 "Instead of getting a dollar, we want five, 835 00:37:32,220 --> 00:37:35,060 You know, and our masters, and our ownership." 836 00:37:35,100 --> 00:37:37,210 (Dick Griffey) What they ended up with is going over to Interscope 837 00:37:38,010 --> 00:37:40,210 and getting one of those regular slave deals. 838 00:37:41,010 --> 00:37:45,050 They took the kids away from the nest too soon. 839 00:37:45,090 --> 00:37:47,190 Interscope clearly saw the money. 840 00:37:47,230 --> 00:37:50,210 And this is the record business. 841 00:37:51,010 --> 00:37:52,150 And I think they were smart enough 842 00:37:52,190 --> 00:37:56,140 to see that whoever this guy Suge Knight was, 843 00:37:56,180 --> 00:38:00,160 and knowing the track record of this producer, Dr. Dre, 844 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:04,180 and you had the legal mind of Dave Kenner there, 845 00:38:04,220 --> 00:38:06,190 they've got all the tools in place. 846 00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:08,180 "Everything that we need is right here. 847 00:38:08,220 --> 00:38:10,060 "We don't really have to do anything. 848 00:38:10,100 --> 00:38:12,000 "All we have to do is fund these guys and do what we do, 849 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:13,120 "which is promote records and market records 850 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:14,180 and advertise records." 851 00:38:14,220 --> 00:38:16,200 Jimmy Iovine had to go pay off 852 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,180 Ruthless, Eazy, Jerry Heller, 853 00:38:18,220 --> 00:38:20,220 and have "The Chronic" distributed 854 00:38:21,020 --> 00:38:22,210 through Priority Records. 855 00:38:23,010 --> 00:38:26,200 Eazy was getting on Dre's "Chronic" record, 856 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,060 like, 50 cents a copy, maybe 25 cents, 857 00:38:29,100 --> 00:38:32,170 meaning, yeah, "Dre Day," he talking shit about me, 858 00:38:32,210 --> 00:38:36,030 but every time "Dre Day" sell a record, 859 00:38:36,070 --> 00:38:38,090 I get 25 cents a copy. 860 00:38:38,130 --> 00:38:40,020 (Virgil Roberts) After they signed the agreement, 861 00:38:40,060 --> 00:38:41,170 I think they realized that they needed to leave, 862 00:38:41,210 --> 00:38:42,170 and they did. 863 00:38:42,210 --> 00:38:44,070 All of a sudden, they disappeared. 864 00:38:44,110 --> 00:38:46,080 (Jewell) Suge cut off all ties with, you know, 865 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:47,230 the people he was dealing with in the beginning, 866 00:38:48,030 --> 00:38:50,200 and we got a whole new office and a whole new crew. 867 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,110 And that really became kind of the-- 868 00:38:53,150 --> 00:38:54,200 the rupture in the relationship 869 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,050 between Dick and Suge and D.O.C. and Dre. 870 00:38:58,090 --> 00:39:02,120 (Dick Griffey) "The Chronic" rolls out and sells 5 million copies, 871 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,000 generates $50 million. 872 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:09,000 It saved Interscope... made Interscope. 873 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,140 We invented something that wasn't out there, 874 00:39:11,180 --> 00:39:14,000 so it was fresh, and everybody wanted it, 875 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,090 from the East Coast to the West Coast, period. 876 00:39:17,130 --> 00:39:21,000 You couldn't turn on MTV without seeing Dr. Dre. 877 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,000 First time I performed songs from "The Chronic" 878 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,040 was with Dr. Dre, 879 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,140 and we did, like, a small, little concert in Compton. 880 00:39:29,180 --> 00:39:32,080 And, man, motherfuckers were singing every word of the songs. 881 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,220 It made me feel, like, damn, this is my life right here. 882 00:39:36,020 --> 00:39:37,120 (Ton Def) To me it wasn't like, okay, 883 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:41,000 Dre is advocating everybody smoke weed. 884 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:42,110 He wasn't saying that. 885 00:39:42,150 --> 00:39:45,120 He was saying my album is dope. 886 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:46,120 Do you understand what I'm saying? 887 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,220 My album is dope, buy it. 888 00:39:49,020 --> 00:39:50,130 It was a good record-- I know a lot of cats 889 00:39:50,170 --> 00:39:52,050 that's pissed off behind those records right now 890 00:39:52,090 --> 00:39:53,170 'cause they say they haven't been paid 891 00:39:53,210 --> 00:39:54,220 or didn't get credit for it. 892 00:39:55,020 --> 00:39:57,060 I liked it-- I mean, it was-- 893 00:39:57,100 --> 00:39:59,020 I was surprised by it, I was happy with it. 894 00:39:59,060 --> 00:40:02,080 In fact, I still play it from time to time. 895 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:03,150 I don't like to listen to his voice on the shit, 896 00:40:03,190 --> 00:40:05,160 but I still listen to it. 897 00:40:11,110 --> 00:40:13,010 If you understand, you know, 898 00:40:13,050 --> 00:40:14,150 what was going on in the street 899 00:40:14,190 --> 00:40:15,220 at that time and even now, 900 00:40:16,020 --> 00:40:17,140 word of mouth is everything. 901 00:40:17,180 --> 00:40:20,080 And Death Row became really hip on the street. 902 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:24,000 Every young black entertainer wanted to be a part of it, 903 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,000 so there was no problem finding talent at all. 904 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:28,180 There was an understanding at Death Row 905 00:40:28,220 --> 00:40:31,140 that they weren't getting at the major companies. 906 00:40:31,180 --> 00:40:33,190 (Doug Young) One of the things about these major labels-- 907 00:40:33,230 --> 00:40:36,100 they'll never understand street music. 908 00:40:36,140 --> 00:40:37,200 They'll never understand stuff 909 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,150 that starts right there in the neighborhoods. 910 00:40:40,190 --> 00:40:41,150 They'll never understand it, 911 00:40:41,190 --> 00:40:44,050 never will, never will, never will. 912 00:40:44,090 --> 00:40:46,110 That's why you will always have some young entrepreneurs 913 00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:48,180 who will come along, who really understand 914 00:40:48,220 --> 00:40:50,200 how to do that, and make a killing. 915 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:51,220 (Suge Knight) I'm not Hollywood. 916 00:40:52,020 --> 00:40:53,160 You know, if you see me out somewhere, 917 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,200 I don't care who you is-- I'm fixin' to come over there, 918 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,000 hear your hook, talk to you-- "How you doing," whatever. 919 00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:59,090 You ain't gonna speak to me. 920 00:40:59,130 --> 00:41:01,170 I ain't gonna do no "Psh, let's do lunch." 921 00:41:01,210 --> 00:41:03,120 I ain't with all that, you know? 922 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,130 I'll be, like, "What's up? I'm still from the ghetto. 923 00:41:05,170 --> 00:41:07,000 It was a very, very good time 924 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,100 for young kids looking for a break. 925 00:41:09,140 --> 00:41:10,200 There was an opportunity there. 926 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,110 There were people there that understood them, 927 00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:14,010 understood what they were about. 928 00:41:14,050 --> 00:41:15,090 Kids would come in and want to audition 929 00:41:15,130 --> 00:41:16,230 right off the street. 930 00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:18,170 Basically did the same thing Motown did. 931 00:41:18,210 --> 00:41:21,000 They took the mindset, the spirit, 932 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,010 the dreams, the hopes, and wishes, and thoughts 933 00:41:24,050 --> 00:41:25,150 of the people, of the time period, 934 00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:26,180 and they set it to music. 935 00:41:26,220 --> 00:41:28,180 If anybody would really stop for a moment 936 00:41:28,220 --> 00:41:31,010 to analyze what really happened at Death Row, 937 00:41:31,050 --> 00:41:32,190 it's really a miracle. 938 00:41:32,230 --> 00:41:34,220 You have a company, a small company 939 00:41:35,020 --> 00:41:38,060 run by a young, black entrepreneur, 940 00:41:38,100 --> 00:41:42,040 and he releases five or six LPs, 941 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,160 and all of them went at least, I think, double platinum. 942 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,220 Now, it's a known fact in our industry-- 943 00:41:48,020 --> 00:41:51,100 if you're working for a major, and you release ten LPs, 944 00:41:51,140 --> 00:41:54,190 and you have three to four hit records 945 00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:56,030 out of the ten that you release, 946 00:41:56,070 --> 00:41:57,100 you're considered a genius. 947 00:41:57,140 --> 00:41:59,100 I think the most important thing in my situation, 948 00:41:59,140 --> 00:42:02,030 that I wasn't coached. 949 00:42:02,070 --> 00:42:04,180 I think if a person is coached about the business, 950 00:42:04,220 --> 00:42:06,220 they're gonna continue to make the same mistakes 951 00:42:07,020 --> 00:42:08,200 the other entrepreneurs been making all along. 952 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,160 The appeal of Death Row Records, and everybody 953 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,020 wanting to join Death Row Records at the time, 954 00:42:13,060 --> 00:42:17,040 was the fact that Suge Knight was a black man 955 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,080 with a lot of power, 956 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,110 and he was a fearsome individual. 957 00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:22,100 That's the type of person you want on your team. 958 00:42:22,140 --> 00:42:24,070 Suge Knight is an intimidating individual. 959 00:42:24,110 --> 00:42:25,130 When he enters a room, you notice him, 960 00:42:25,170 --> 00:42:26,170 You can't help it. 961 00:42:26,210 --> 00:42:28,060 I think that he would be considered 962 00:42:28,100 --> 00:42:30,120 a handsome man, huge man. 963 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,230 (Hank Caldwell) Suge's tremendous size intimidated people. 964 00:42:34,030 --> 00:42:37,110 When you got a 300-pound guy saying something, 965 00:42:37,150 --> 00:42:40,080 it means a lot more than if you have Mickey Rooney saying it. 966 00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,200 Suge was bright enough to use his size 967 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,080 much like Don King uses his hair. 968 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:49,140 The hype got so big, that everybody started fearing him. 969 00:42:49,180 --> 00:42:52,000 I have friends who are at Sony, and one of them called, 970 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:53,210 said, "Gee, you know, we really want to get a track. 971 00:42:54,010 --> 00:42:56,060 Would you do me a favor, and could you go talk to Suge?" 972 00:42:56,100 --> 00:42:57,130 And I said, "Yeah, I'll go talk to him." 973 00:42:57,170 --> 00:42:59,020 And so, I went over to see Suge. 974 00:42:59,060 --> 00:43:01,010 And I said, Suge, "What is it you're doing? 975 00:43:01,050 --> 00:43:03,130 You got people out here that are afraid to talk to you." 976 00:43:03,170 --> 00:43:07,040 (Hank Caldwell) Suge became somewhat like a folk hero after a while. 977 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,140 These stories just developed a life of their own. 978 00:43:09,180 --> 00:43:11,100 You got Suge doing everything from throwing people 979 00:43:11,140 --> 00:43:13,090 off of a 30-story building 980 00:43:13,130 --> 00:43:16,050 to, you know, putting rocks-- and burying them in cement. 981 00:43:16,090 --> 00:43:17,220 The media, they put bad names on people 982 00:43:18,020 --> 00:43:19,050 and, you know, try to run. 983 00:43:19,090 --> 00:43:20,180 They drag their name through dirt or whatever. 984 00:43:20,220 --> 00:43:23,190 But now, as an individual, 985 00:43:23,230 --> 00:43:25,180 you got to do what you got to do to get paid. 986 00:43:25,220 --> 00:43:28,040 (Jewell) He was a very brilliant businessman. 987 00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,070 Whatever his tactics might have been, 988 00:43:30,110 --> 00:43:32,210 whoever he had to step on to get there, 989 00:43:33,010 --> 00:43:36,060 his main objective was to just get there 990 00:43:36,100 --> 00:43:37,210 at any cost. 991 00:43:38,010 --> 00:43:40,030 There's a genius which is a part of him. 992 00:43:40,070 --> 00:43:42,220 And you know what they say about geniuses, you know? 993 00:43:43,020 --> 00:43:45,030 They aren't far from being insane. 994 00:43:45,070 --> 00:43:47,210 Suge Knight pretty much blew his cover 995 00:43:48,010 --> 00:43:50,060 by appearing on the cover of magazines 996 00:43:50,100 --> 00:43:52,110 because now, you're no longer a figure behind the scenes. 997 00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:53,210 Now, you're a celebrity. 998 00:43:54,010 --> 00:43:55,040 You're making yourself a celebrity. 999 00:44:16,050 --> 00:44:18,120 When Snoop's album comes out, 1000 00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:23,060 this is the most anticipated rap album in history. 1001 00:44:23,100 --> 00:44:25,050 (Snoop Dogg) "Doggystyle" was-- 1002 00:44:25,090 --> 00:44:26,160 we through with "The Chronic." 1003 00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,040 "It's all about you, Snoop. 1004 00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,180 You the hottest thing coming out the West Coast in a long time." 1005 00:44:30,220 --> 00:44:32,070 And Dre gonna produce it. 1006 00:44:32,110 --> 00:44:34,060 And when Dre produce an album from top to bottom, 1007 00:44:34,100 --> 00:44:35,230 you can't lose. 1008 00:44:36,030 --> 00:44:39,000 (reporter) Tell us what we should expect on the new album. 1009 00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,000 Gangsta shit, you know what I'm saying? 1010 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:42,100 Smooth gangsta shit. 1011 00:44:42,140 --> 00:44:44,200 We're here at Tower Records in Marina del Rey. 1012 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,110 where this is really the hottest album on the shelves right now. 1013 00:44:47,150 --> 00:44:49,200 (news anchor) Since the album was released at midnight last night, 1014 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:51,170 at this store, they've already sold 1015 00:44:51,210 --> 00:44:55,020 130 CDs and about 100 cassettes. 1016 00:44:55,060 --> 00:44:57,000 It could be the hottest album ever. 1017 00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:58,140 Get it before it's gone. 1018 00:44:58,180 --> 00:45:00,120 (Jeffrey Jolson-Colburn) Nobody had ever, in the modern era, 1019 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,030 had their very first album go number one. 1020 00:45:03,070 --> 00:45:08,010 A triple platinum album is $30 million to the record label. 1021 00:45:08,050 --> 00:45:11,090 It's more like $45 million on the retail level. 1022 00:45:11,130 --> 00:45:14,020 Death Row became the core of Interscope, 1023 00:45:14,060 --> 00:45:17,080 which became the core of Warner Brothers' 1024 00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,090 music moneymaking machine. 1025 00:45:19,130 --> 00:45:23,000 After the Snoop album came out, it was all gravy 1026 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,080 'cause, man, Death Row was flying high at the end. 1027 00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:31,060 There was just so money floating around Death Row for anything. 1028 00:45:31,100 --> 00:45:34,000 I remember, I used to keep thousands-- 1029 00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,110 I used to run through thousands of dollars a day. 1030 00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:39,150 They're making $100 million a year. 1031 00:45:39,190 --> 00:45:41,130 They can buy anything they want. 1032 00:45:41,170 --> 00:45:43,100 They can buy anybody they want. 1033 00:45:43,140 --> 00:45:46,110 That made it all very, very serious business. 1034 00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:57,010 Rappers didn't give gangsta rap its name. 1035 00:45:57,050 --> 00:45:59,150 The music industry gave gangsta rap its name. 1036 00:45:59,190 --> 00:46:02,080 They said, "This music has cussing in it, 1037 00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,090 "they're calling women bitches, so that's gangsta rap 1038 00:46:05,130 --> 00:46:08,230 because it comes from the gangs and the gangstas." 1039 00:46:09,030 --> 00:46:10,190 Gangsta rap isn't something that was just born 1040 00:46:10,230 --> 00:46:13,090 and invented in the quote-unquote "ghetto." 1041 00:46:13,130 --> 00:46:16,140 It's something that you see in American movies. 1042 00:46:16,180 --> 00:46:18,050 Put that gun away. When I get good and ready. 1043 00:46:18,090 --> 00:46:21,220 The glorification of Al Capone and Lucky Luciano, 1044 00:46:22,020 --> 00:46:24,150 and that's kind of glamorous in any American's eyes, I think. 1045 00:46:32,110 --> 00:46:35,000 It really puts the truth of society 1046 00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:36,150 out in front of America, 1047 00:46:36,190 --> 00:46:38,210 and America, not used to that, 1048 00:46:39,010 --> 00:46:40,180 is obviously gonna be shocked about it. 1049 00:46:57,150 --> 00:46:59,220 Suppose they just started rapping about the 6:00 news. 1050 00:47:01,210 --> 00:47:03,080 Would it be gangsta rap? 1051 00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,190 Gangsta rap is like the movies, too. 1052 00:47:05,230 --> 00:47:08,010 Drama sells. 1053 00:47:08,050 --> 00:47:09,120 I take it for what it is. 1054 00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,030 It's a record, it's a CD, it's a tape. 1055 00:47:12,070 --> 00:47:14,170 You know, and I'm not gonna live my life by it, 1056 00:47:14,210 --> 00:47:16,070 and other people shouldn't either. 1057 00:47:16,110 --> 00:47:17,230 It's entertainment. 1058 00:47:18,030 --> 00:47:21,030 No black man should get on the front of a magazine 1059 00:47:21,070 --> 00:47:23,170 with a 12-inch cigar in front of two Rolls-Royces 1060 00:47:23,210 --> 00:47:26,180 wearing what could be considered gang colors in America. 1061 00:47:26,220 --> 00:47:29,000 That sends a bad message-- that's negative. 1062 00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,160 Publicity, when it was negative, played a role also 1063 00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,090 because it was part of this role 1064 00:47:34,130 --> 00:47:36,210 that Suge Knight had chosen for the company. 1065 00:47:37,010 --> 00:47:40,070 I mean, these kids were not gangsters, 1066 00:47:40,110 --> 00:47:42,040 quote, real gangsters. 1067 00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,070 Many people there were not, as a matter of fact, 1068 00:47:44,110 --> 00:47:47,230 gang members, like it has been portrayed in the press. 1069 00:47:48,030 --> 00:47:50,070 You know, there were people around that were. 1070 00:47:50,110 --> 00:47:52,100 When you got brothers that, you know, 1071 00:47:52,140 --> 00:47:55,180 perpetrating gang violence or gang affiliation, 1072 00:47:55,220 --> 00:47:57,070 and they making it cool, it's a problem. 1073 00:47:57,110 --> 00:47:58,220 That could be a problem. 1074 00:47:59,020 --> 00:48:01,180 It wasn't just Death Row perpetuating the violence. 1075 00:48:01,220 --> 00:48:02,230 I think it was the media. 1076 00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:04,130 I think-- I mean, let's face it. 1077 00:48:04,170 --> 00:48:07,060 The coverage was just awesome. 1078 00:48:07,100 --> 00:48:10,010 All of a sudden, Death Row and gangsta rap was the reason 1079 00:48:10,050 --> 00:48:12,090 that every youngster in America was going bad. 1080 00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:22,220 (all) No gangsta rap! 1081 00:48:23,020 --> 00:48:26,000 Lyrics that promote rape, murder, 1082 00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,100 racism, drug abuse, and violence. 1083 00:48:29,140 --> 00:48:34,010 "Die, die, die, pig, die." 1084 00:48:34,050 --> 00:48:36,200 Time Warner's music division promotes music 1085 00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,210 that celebrates the rape, torture, and murder of women. 1086 00:48:40,010 --> 00:48:42,190 C. Delores Tucker is a political activist 1087 00:48:42,230 --> 00:48:45,070 that embodies herself in matters 1088 00:48:45,110 --> 00:48:48,080 of African-American decency questions. 1089 00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,220 In the beginning, she was trying to protect America 1090 00:48:51,020 --> 00:48:53,170 from the threat of gangsta rap. 1091 00:48:53,210 --> 00:48:55,030 You will see words that you can't even repeat 1092 00:48:55,070 --> 00:48:56,160 in a locker room. 1093 00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,060 But by that point, the cat was out of the bag, 1094 00:48:59,100 --> 00:49:01,070 and there was very little that should could have done. 1095 00:49:01,110 --> 00:49:02,210 Doggy style. 1096 00:49:03,010 --> 00:49:03,200 Do it from the back. 1097 00:49:10,100 --> 00:49:13,040 She involved herself in Time Warner politics 1098 00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:16,110 along with a odd political bedfellow for her, 1099 00:49:16,150 --> 00:49:18,020 who was William Bennett. 1100 00:49:18,060 --> 00:49:20,060 The moral obtuseness of Time Warner. 1101 00:49:20,100 --> 00:49:22,040 We do not understand why they don't get it. 1102 00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,080 These are right-wing conservatives, both of them. 1103 00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,040 They are would-be censors. 1104 00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:29,170 Both were attacking Time Warner along with Dole. 1105 00:49:29,210 --> 00:49:31,230 A line has been crossed, 1106 00:49:32,030 --> 00:49:36,070 not just of taste, but of human dignity and decency. 1107 00:49:36,110 --> 00:49:37,230 (Jeffrey Jolson-Colburn) Now, you've got a presidential candidate 1108 00:49:38,030 --> 00:49:40,140 accusing Time Warner of debasing the nation 1109 00:49:40,180 --> 00:49:42,090 for handling Death Row product. 1110 00:49:42,130 --> 00:49:44,230 The mainstreaming of deviancy must come to an end. 1111 00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:46,230 And I think we do have problems 1112 00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:49,090 with the social fabric of this country right now. 1113 00:49:49,130 --> 00:49:51,130 I do have trouble believing that it is caused 1114 00:49:51,170 --> 00:49:54,070 by song lyrics or movies. 1115 00:49:54,110 --> 00:49:56,150 (Jeffrey Jolson-Colburn) Time Warner was also doing Ice-T. 1116 00:49:56,190 --> 00:49:59,150 They got T off the label, but they were stuck with Death Row. 1117 00:49:59,190 --> 00:50:00,180 And the numbers were so huge, 1118 00:50:00,220 --> 00:50:01,210 they didn't know what to do with it. 1119 00:50:02,010 --> 00:50:04,130 They'd just put $120 million into it. 1120 00:50:04,170 --> 00:50:07,050 They're getting all that money out and then some. 1121 00:50:07,090 --> 00:50:09,110 They can't be seen by any of their artists 1122 00:50:09,150 --> 00:50:12,010 to give into political pressure whatsoever. 1123 00:50:12,050 --> 00:50:14,080 If you do that, they'd never get another act again, 1124 00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,120 and no self-respecting manager would ever sign with a label 1125 00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,230 who they thought could be pressured for content. 1126 00:50:21,030 --> 00:50:24,030 We, African-American women particularly, 1127 00:50:24,070 --> 00:50:29,010 are tired of being called hoes, bitches, and sluts 1128 00:50:29,050 --> 00:50:30,210 by our children, 1129 00:50:31,010 --> 00:50:34,070 who are paid to do this by Time Warner. 1130 00:50:34,110 --> 00:50:36,160 (Jeffrey Jolson-Colburn) She came up with an idea 1131 00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,130 that she reportedly pitched to Fuchs, 1132 00:50:38,170 --> 00:50:44,060 that what if she stated a label, a positive rap label, 1133 00:50:44,100 --> 00:50:48,210 and got Suge to distribute Death Row product through her 1134 00:50:49,010 --> 00:50:51,120 with her as the watchdog of the lyrical content, 1135 00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,190 to make sure that the messages were positive. 1136 00:50:53,230 --> 00:50:55,180 Michael Fuchs, reportedly desperate 1137 00:50:55,220 --> 00:50:58,050 to try and figure out a solution to this, 1138 00:50:58,090 --> 00:50:59,190 apparently listened to her. 1139 00:50:59,230 --> 00:51:03,110 She got Fuchs to guarantee $80 million 1140 00:51:03,150 --> 00:51:04,170 if she could pull this off. 1141 00:51:17,140 --> 00:51:19,010 Interscope was not about to let Death Row 1142 00:51:19,050 --> 00:51:20,150 go without a fight. 1143 00:51:20,190 --> 00:51:23,230 Suge Knight also protected those artists lyrically, 1144 00:51:24,030 --> 00:51:25,200 you know, made sure that everyone was allowed 1145 00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,010 to say whatever the hell they wanted to say. 1146 00:51:28,050 --> 00:51:30,130 Whatever happens, we're gonna stand up tall 1147 00:51:30,170 --> 00:51:32,230 and-- and-- and be more successful. 1148 00:51:33,030 --> 00:51:34,030 Only thing anybody is doing 1149 00:51:34,070 --> 00:51:36,050 is making us stronger and better. 1150 00:51:36,090 --> 00:51:38,060 (Jeffrey Jolson-Colburn) No way he was gonna let C. Delores Tucker 1151 00:51:38,100 --> 00:51:41,170 decide the lyrical content of a Snoop Doggy Dogg album. 1152 00:51:41,210 --> 00:51:43,160 That wasn't gonna happen, 1153 00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,000 but they apparently thought it was. 1154 00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,220 Michael Fuchs reportedly flew to Los Angeles 1155 00:51:49,020 --> 00:51:51,220 in the Time Warner jet to Dionne Warwick's house, 1156 00:51:52,020 --> 00:51:53,160 with C. Delores Tucker sitting there 1157 00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:57,220 waiting for Suge Knight to come over to cut a deal 1158 00:51:58,020 --> 00:52:00,100 that would make a tame Death Row Records. 1159 00:52:00,140 --> 00:52:03,020 What she really wanted was a record company, 1160 00:52:03,060 --> 00:52:05,010 or to have more involvement in that business. 1161 00:52:05,050 --> 00:52:07,120 I mean, it is a very lucrative business. 1162 00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:08,220 She had the wherewithal to see 1163 00:52:09,020 --> 00:52:11,160 where this rap situation was going, 1164 00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:15,200 how it had the nation really sort of unnerved. 1165 00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:17,230 She was just trying to parlay it into something for herself, 1166 00:52:18,030 --> 00:52:19,020 or she had been promised 1167 00:52:19,060 --> 00:52:20,080 that it would be something for herself. 1168 00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:21,200 Never. 1169 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:26,130 Never have I discussed $80 million with them, 1170 00:52:26,170 --> 00:52:30,070 about any kind of a business deal. 1171 00:52:30,110 --> 00:52:32,150 The story goes that they waited five hours, 1172 00:52:32,190 --> 00:52:34,210 Michael Fuchs, C. Delores Tucker, 1173 00:52:35,010 --> 00:52:37,090 and-- and-- at Dionne Warwick's house, 1174 00:52:37,130 --> 00:52:39,100 that Suge never showed up. 1175 00:52:39,140 --> 00:52:41,110 Suge went right back to Interscope and said, 1176 00:52:41,150 --> 00:52:43,060 "Do you know what these guys just tried to pull?" 1177 00:52:43,100 --> 00:52:47,030 So Interscope then promptly sued Time Warner 1178 00:52:47,070 --> 00:52:49,180 and promptly sued C. Delores Tucker 1179 00:52:49,220 --> 00:52:51,150 for interfering with their contractual relationship. 1180 00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:53,070 Time Warner has decided 1181 00:52:53,110 --> 00:52:55,010 to get out of the gangsta rap business 1182 00:52:55,050 --> 00:52:57,200 by selling its 50% share of Interscope Records 1183 00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:59,070 back to that company. 1184 00:52:59,110 --> 00:53:01,080 They made the right decision, 1185 00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,170 the morally responsible decision, we think, 1186 00:53:03,210 --> 00:53:06,020 and we believe that by their action, 1187 00:53:06,060 --> 00:53:08,070 divesting themselves of Interscope 1188 00:53:08,110 --> 00:53:11,040 at some financial loss, they have set a standard 1189 00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:12,160 for the entire entertainment industry. 1190 00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:13,230 I commend them for it. 1191 00:53:14,030 --> 00:53:17,150 I think they are gonna be good corporate citizens. 1192 00:53:17,190 --> 00:53:20,150 (Jeffrey Jolson-Colburn) Death Row Records was at the center of controversies, 1193 00:53:20,190 --> 00:53:22,150 and if the Republicans had had their way, 1194 00:53:22,190 --> 00:53:25,180 would have brought down a president. 1195 00:53:25,220 --> 00:53:27,170 That's how big the controversy got. 1196 00:53:34,090 --> 00:53:36,170 (Michael Harris) The origins of Death Row, starting with David Kenner, 1197 00:53:36,210 --> 00:53:40,000 Michael Harris, and Suge Knight 1198 00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:44,010 didn't seem out of the ordinary 1199 00:53:44,050 --> 00:53:45,220 until all the information started unfolding 1200 00:53:46,020 --> 00:53:48,020 because David Kenner, nobody knew who he was. 1201 00:53:48,060 --> 00:53:50,160 David Kenner became the principle business attorney 1202 00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,130 for the label, as well as the criminal attorney 1203 00:53:52,170 --> 00:53:54,190 for many people at the label. 1204 00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:58,080 Los Angeles police announced that 21-year-old Calvin Broadus, 1205 00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,210 better known as rap star Snoop Doggy Dogg, 1206 00:54:01,010 --> 00:54:02,140 had turned himself into police on Friday 1207 00:54:02,180 --> 00:54:03,220 along with two other young black men, 1208 00:54:04,020 --> 00:54:05,140 all accompanied by an attorney, 1209 00:54:05,180 --> 00:54:07,140 in connection with the murder on August 25th 1210 00:54:07,180 --> 00:54:09,170 of a man named Philip Woldermariam 1211 00:54:09,210 --> 00:54:12,000 in what police believe was a gang-related shooting. 1212 00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:13,140 It never should have gone to trial. 1213 00:54:13,180 --> 00:54:17,020 (David Kenner) The alleged victim in this case had a gun, 1214 00:54:17,060 --> 00:54:19,200 was reaching to his waistband to pull that gun out. 1215 00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,020 At the time, Snoop's bodyguard did the-- 1216 00:54:23,060 --> 00:54:24,080 fired a shot. 1217 00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,040 And that's what we said from the beginning. 1218 00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:29,030 The testimony makes it clear this is a case of self-defense. 1219 00:54:29,070 --> 00:54:32,010 (Snoop Dogg) The DA, he was a pain in the ass. 1220 00:54:32,050 --> 00:54:33,200 He just tried to do everything in the world 1221 00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,000 to make me seem like the most negative, 1222 00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,050 gangbangin'-est, criminal-minded motherfucker 1223 00:54:39,090 --> 00:54:41,010 he could just imagine, and tried 1224 00:54:41,050 --> 00:54:43,140 to paint a picture of me that just wasn't happening. 1225 00:54:43,180 --> 00:54:44,190 It was crazy knowing that he was-- 1226 00:54:44,230 --> 00:54:46,040 that's what his job was to do, 1227 00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,130 was to get me locked up for life. 1228 00:54:48,170 --> 00:54:49,170 You know what I'm saying? 1229 00:54:49,210 --> 00:54:53,200 I just want to say fuck you... bitch. 1230 00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,130 (Paul Palladino) Dave Kenner was the guy 1231 00:54:56,170 --> 00:55:00,080 who legally made Suge secure. 1232 00:55:08,030 --> 00:55:10,120 One of the benefits Suge Knight 1233 00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,130 gave to people that joined Death Row 1234 00:55:12,170 --> 00:55:14,190 was to say that, "I have a legal team, 1235 00:55:14,230 --> 00:55:16,200 "people who have a lot of experience 1236 00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,100 in the criminal arena, that can help you." 1237 00:55:19,140 --> 00:55:21,150 Whereas in the past, coming from a black community, 1238 00:55:21,190 --> 00:55:22,210 you go into a white justice system, 1239 00:55:23,010 --> 00:55:25,080 where all the cards are stacked against you. 1240 00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,070 Here, for the first time in most of their lives, 1241 00:55:27,110 --> 00:55:29,220 they were given a lawyer who was very capable 1242 00:55:30,020 --> 00:55:31,190 and an investigator on top of it. 1243 00:55:31,230 --> 00:55:34,030 And the results spoke for themselves most of the time. 1244 00:55:34,070 --> 00:55:37,040 They got to see instances where they were acquitted 1245 00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:40,070 in cases which normally they would have been convicted. 1246 00:55:40,110 --> 00:55:42,170 In the rap industry, the problems happen 1247 00:55:42,210 --> 00:55:44,160 at 1:00 or 2:00 in the morning, 1248 00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,190 so it's not a 9:00 to 5:00 job. 1249 00:55:46,230 --> 00:55:50,000 David was the rare lawyer who would be available 1250 00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,140 to clients at that hour. 1251 00:55:52,180 --> 00:55:55,050 (Sam Gideon Anson) Of the $70 or $80 million 1252 00:55:55,090 --> 00:55:59,170 that Interscope paid them between 1995 and 1997, 1253 00:55:59,210 --> 00:56:01,230 about 13 million of that went to the law offices 1254 00:56:02,030 --> 00:56:03,100 of David Kenner or to David Kenner. 1255 00:56:03,140 --> 00:56:04,220 Certainly, this company 1256 00:56:05,020 --> 00:56:06,200 was his bread and butter for some time. 1257 00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:07,220 (reporter) What's your name again? 1258 00:56:08,020 --> 00:56:09,180 David Kenner, K-E-N-N-E-R. 1259 00:56:23,230 --> 00:56:26,100 I was quite surprised because you would expect 1260 00:56:26,140 --> 00:56:29,070 a music business attorney, but he wasn't. 1261 00:56:29,110 --> 00:56:30,170 He was a criminal attorney. 1262 00:56:30,210 --> 00:56:33,020 He had entertainment attorney qualities, you know? 1263 00:56:33,060 --> 00:56:35,130 He's flamboyant and he's sharp, and-- you know? 1264 00:56:35,170 --> 00:56:38,020 And he's kind of Mafia-ish, 1265 00:56:38,060 --> 00:56:40,020 you know, his whole persona. 1266 00:56:40,060 --> 00:56:43,210 After a while, David might have got so caught up 1267 00:56:44,010 --> 00:56:46,000 in this lifestyle that he might have become 1268 00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:47,170 somewhat confused because the thing is 1269 00:56:47,210 --> 00:56:49,120 is David really was supposed to be 1270 00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:51,010 working on getting Mike out. 1271 00:56:51,050 --> 00:56:52,230 David was handling Michael's appeal. 1272 00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:55,130 David was involved very much in Lydia's life. 1273 00:56:55,170 --> 00:56:56,200 He was friends with Lydia. 1274 00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:58,220 This was a person who was very trustworthy to him. 1275 00:57:05,150 --> 00:57:08,130 And I thought, man, Mike is making a ton of money. 1276 00:57:08,170 --> 00:57:10,030 And then, you see Dave Kenner there. 1277 00:57:10,070 --> 00:57:12,000 So you see if Dave is there, then Mike is there. 1278 00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:13,080 And then, the stories start flashing, 1279 00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:15,180 and then you know that there's a war going on. 1280 00:57:15,220 --> 00:57:17,050 There was rumors that, you know, 1281 00:57:17,090 --> 00:57:19,220 Suge was over there trying to get a deal at Interscope. 1282 00:57:20,020 --> 00:57:21,230 But when he would go down and visit Mike, 1283 00:57:22,030 --> 00:57:24,190 him and Kenner would say it wasn't true. 1284 00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:27,080 And Mike said, "Hey, what's this here in the newspaper? 1285 00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,150 And Suge would say, "Oh, they, you know 1286 00:57:29,190 --> 00:57:32,110 how the newspaper print up articles." 1287 00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:35,070 So Mike said, "Well, they're not gonna just print up anything." 1288 00:57:35,110 --> 00:57:38,020 So he start asking David, you know, "What's going on?" 1289 00:57:38,060 --> 00:57:41,100 Then David came and said, "Suge did this behind my back." 1290 00:57:41,140 --> 00:57:43,040 (Sam Gideon Anson) Then that started to cause Michael concern 1291 00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,010 about what exactly was going on. 1292 00:57:45,050 --> 00:57:48,040 He started to get word that Suge was telling people, 1293 00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,230 "Oh, Michael Harris is nobody, he's not my partner." 1294 00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:53,030 And the word on the street was 1295 00:57:53,070 --> 00:57:55,070 Michael Harris is really pissed off with Suge, it's on. 1296 00:57:55,110 --> 00:57:56,180 (Jewell) He wanted to get all the credit, 1297 00:57:56,220 --> 00:57:58,190 which Mike don't trip-- the credit. 1298 00:57:58,230 --> 00:58:01,140 The world thinks that Suge did this on his own. 1299 00:58:15,070 --> 00:58:17,100 Mike's in jail, but he's got a wife, he's got a kid. 1300 00:58:17,140 --> 00:58:18,230 You know, he's got family out here. 1301 00:58:19,030 --> 00:58:21,000 He's got people he's taking care of. 1302 00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,100 So you know, his reaction is he's stunned. 1303 00:58:23,140 --> 00:58:24,190 Then, he's kind of mad about it, you know? 1304 00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:26,130 You know, "How you gonna punk me?" 1305 00:58:26,170 --> 00:58:30,150 The phone was never blocked 1306 00:58:30,190 --> 00:58:34,190 because it always had cats calling from the pen. 1307 00:58:34,230 --> 00:58:38,150 Harry O., uh, wasn't the only one. 1308 00:58:38,190 --> 00:58:41,230 But after a while, I even remember-- 1309 00:58:42,030 --> 00:58:44,180 and I think it was because of Harry-- 1310 00:58:44,220 --> 00:58:46,180 that they then blocked the phone 1311 00:58:46,220 --> 00:58:49,020 where it couldn't take no more calls. 1312 00:58:49,060 --> 00:58:51,170 David Kenner started off 1313 00:58:51,210 --> 00:58:54,160 to play these guys against each other. 1314 00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:57,050 Once the rift between Suge and Mike happened, 1315 00:58:57,090 --> 00:59:01,060 Dave Kenner had to pledge allegiance one way or the other. 1316 00:59:01,100 --> 00:59:03,040 (Sam Gideon Anson) Throughout this time, even if Suge 1317 00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:06,040 was denying his partnership with Michael 1318 00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:08,190 or denying that Michael had any role in the company, 1319 00:59:08,230 --> 00:59:11,060 David would be going up to visit Michael 1320 00:59:11,100 --> 00:59:13,140 and saying, "Oh, no, everything's okay. 1321 00:59:13,180 --> 00:59:15,080 "There's no problem, everything's fine. 1322 00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,000 "We're gonna get this taken care of. 1323 00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:20,190 It reminds me of the-- Brutus and Caesar. 1324 00:59:20,230 --> 00:59:22,160 (Sam Gideon Anson) At some point, Michael gets a hold 1325 00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,230 of the incorporation paperwork of Death Row Records 1326 00:59:25,030 --> 00:59:27,040 and realizes that Suge and David Kenner 1327 00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:29,180 had set up a different company of Death Row Records 1328 00:59:29,220 --> 00:59:31,150 that was independent of this GF Entertainment 1329 00:59:31,190 --> 00:59:33,160 Michael had had a hand in. 1330 00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,010 And I think Michael began to suspect 1331 00:59:36,050 --> 00:59:38,140 that things were not so kosher with their partnership. 1332 00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:47,010 He the one told Dave, "Hey, look at this, man, that guy Suge. 1333 00:59:47,050 --> 00:59:49,080 "I like him, go talk to him. 1334 00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:50,170 "Okay, a record company? 1335 00:59:50,210 --> 00:59:52,020 "Okay, I give you this amount of money. 1336 00:59:52,060 --> 00:59:53,160 You tell him to do this." 1337 00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:56,010 Okay, then him and Suge talking, Suge's going to visit him. 1338 00:59:56,050 --> 00:59:58,030 "Suge, check this out-- put it down like this, man. 1339 00:59:58,070 --> 01:00:00,010 "Put it down like that. You do-- 1340 01:00:00,050 --> 01:00:02,030 "David, you do this part-- keep him out of jail. 1341 01:00:02,070 --> 01:00:03,170 You make sure you keep him out of jail." 1342 01:00:03,210 --> 01:00:05,100 That's how Suge got all them probations and stuff, 1343 01:00:05,140 --> 01:00:07,160 Dave fighting like he crazy to keep him out of jail 1344 01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,050 'cause Mike telling him to. 1345 01:00:09,090 --> 01:00:10,050 "Keep him out of jail." 1346 01:00:10,090 --> 01:00:11,070 But guess what? 1347 01:00:11,110 --> 01:00:13,200 Soon as the money come in, "Who? 1348 01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:15,020 Harry O.?" 1349 01:00:15,060 --> 01:00:16,100 They turned Scooby Doo on him-- 1350 01:00:16,140 --> 01:00:17,080 "Who-- who-- who's that?" 1351 01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:18,200 You know. 1352 01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:20,090 Mike said, "Well, where's the money at?" 1353 01:00:20,130 --> 01:00:24,040 And they said, "You know, it's gonna be 60 to 90 days, 1354 01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:26,170 you know, before we see a royalty check." 1355 01:00:26,210 --> 01:00:30,110 So those 60 and 90 days turned into a year. 1356 01:00:37,010 --> 01:00:39,110 I went over and met with David Cohen. 1357 01:00:39,150 --> 01:00:41,080 He said, "Well, you know, what if we don't pay you?" 1358 01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:43,190 And I told him, "I'm not threatening you, 1359 01:00:43,230 --> 01:00:45,090 "but I'm gonna go on national TV 1360 01:00:45,130 --> 01:00:47,020 and tell what really happened." 1361 01:00:47,060 --> 01:00:50,060 (Doug Young) Everybody knew Harry O. wasn't no joke, okay? 1362 01:00:50,100 --> 01:00:53,010 Everybody knew Harry O. had chips. 1363 01:00:53,050 --> 01:00:55,010 And all you gotta do is be no joke and have chips, 1364 01:00:55,050 --> 01:00:57,060 and you can get somebody handled. 1365 01:00:57,100 --> 01:00:59,090 (Jewell) That's when Michael typed up a letter. 1366 01:00:59,130 --> 01:01:02,050 (Sam Gideon Anson) Michael put his concerns on paper 1367 01:01:02,090 --> 01:01:05,080 in the form of a lawsuit 1368 01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:07,200 that could have been filed, that was never filed, 1369 01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,150 laying out his grievances as to how he had been 1370 01:01:10,190 --> 01:01:12,010 a founding partner in Death Row Records 1371 01:01:12,050 --> 01:01:14,200 and had been denied his fair share of the proceeds. 1372 01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:16,160 That lawsuit was shown to Interscope, 1373 01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:18,190 and Interscope paid a fairly generous settlement 1374 01:01:18,230 --> 01:01:20,190 to make it go away before it ever got filed. 1375 01:01:30,020 --> 01:01:33,040 That next day, I got a call. 1376 01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:36,020 They told me that Mike was, in, like, a wheelchair. 1377 01:01:36,060 --> 01:01:38,070 His mouth was twisted. 1378 01:01:38,110 --> 01:01:39,120 I mean, he couldn't even walk. 1379 01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:41,020 He couldn't even use his hands. 1380 01:01:41,060 --> 01:01:43,070 He couldn't do nothing-- I said, "What happened?" 1381 01:01:43,110 --> 01:01:45,170 And that's when the doctor said he had Guillain-Barré. 1382 01:01:45,210 --> 01:01:47,220 And I asked Mike-- I said, "Well, did, 1383 01:01:48,020 --> 01:01:50,150 you know, Kenner give you anything?" 1384 01:02:06,190 --> 01:02:10,230 I'd started thinking, at least to myself, 1385 01:02:11,030 --> 01:02:14,120 that Suge was getting himself caught up 1386 01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:18,180 into too many situations that were unhealthy. 1387 01:02:18,220 --> 01:02:20,230 He had created an image that was working for him. 1388 01:02:21,030 --> 01:02:23,000 And sometimes, the image merged with reality. 1389 01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,110 And I'm not sure that as time went on, 1390 01:02:25,150 --> 01:02:27,220 that Suge didn't draw the line 1391 01:02:28,020 --> 01:02:30,010 between when there was the image 1392 01:02:30,050 --> 01:02:31,130 and when there was the reality. 1393 01:02:31,170 --> 01:02:33,020 Suge wasn't a gangsta. 1394 01:02:33,060 --> 01:02:34,230 Suge came from a family. 1395 01:02:35,030 --> 01:02:37,180 His mother and father are still together. 1396 01:02:37,220 --> 01:02:40,000 He was a college football player. 1397 01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:43,130 I feel I got a whole, whole lot of street credibility, 1398 01:02:43,170 --> 01:02:46,090 street smarts, and at the same time, 1399 01:02:46,130 --> 01:02:48,150 I graduated from college. 1400 01:02:48,190 --> 01:02:51,010 You know, I-- I hit the books, 1401 01:02:51,050 --> 01:02:52,100 and I put both of them together. 1402 01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:10,100 He ran that company like it was his gang. 1403 01:03:10,140 --> 01:03:13,050 That's his family. 1404 01:03:13,090 --> 01:03:16,040 He might not love us, but he made us think he did. 1405 01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:17,230 (Virgil) A lot of what followed in part had to do 1406 01:03:18,030 --> 01:03:20,190 with trying to establish Death Row 1407 01:03:20,230 --> 01:03:23,130 as the label with the most street credibility, 1408 01:03:23,170 --> 01:03:25,120 and we're really doing gangsta rap, 1409 01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:26,210 and we're keeping it real, 1410 01:03:27,010 --> 01:03:28,080 and we're keeping it legitimate. 1411 01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:30,040 And so, when you guys get out the joint, 1412 01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:31,220 you can come get a job with me, that sort of thing. 1413 01:03:32,020 --> 01:03:33,220 I ain't never had a job before in my life 1414 01:03:34,020 --> 01:03:35,190 until I start working for Suge. 1415 01:03:35,230 --> 01:03:37,080 You know, I was in and out of jail. 1416 01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:38,220 You know what I'm saying? 1417 01:03:39,020 --> 01:03:40,230 Did a little bit of everything, you know what I'm saying? 1418 01:03:41,030 --> 01:03:43,170 Now, I'm-- pssh-- you know what I'm saying? 1419 01:03:43,210 --> 01:03:45,020 Yeah, a lot of them cats that was up there 1420 01:03:45,060 --> 01:03:47,020 was fresh out of the penitentiary 1421 01:03:47,060 --> 01:03:48,210 with that penitentiary mentality. 1422 01:03:49,010 --> 01:03:51,020 It was like working at a prison 1423 01:03:51,060 --> 01:03:54,090 with no guns, no knives, no nothing. 1424 01:03:54,130 --> 01:03:57,160 you just had to be in there on your own and handle it. 1425 01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:59,140 How many companies do you know 1426 01:03:59,180 --> 01:04:01,200 can have some Crips and Bloods up there? 1427 01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:02,210 Crips and Bloods. 1428 01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:18,060 At first, I was totally with Death Row's concept 1429 01:04:18,100 --> 01:04:20,090 'cause it was about time we had a brother out there, man, 1430 01:04:20,130 --> 01:04:22,060 that wasn't taking no shit from these companies, 1431 01:04:22,100 --> 01:04:24,070 that wasn't paying brothers their money. 1432 01:04:24,110 --> 01:04:25,120 So I was totally with it. 1433 01:04:26,140 --> 01:04:28,210 It was when the nonsense got too out of hand. 1434 01:04:29,010 --> 01:04:31,050 We had a system of that kind of thing, 1435 01:04:31,090 --> 01:04:33,200 sort of like a demerit system for artists and so on, 1436 01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:35,100 and for some of the office workers. 1437 01:04:35,140 --> 01:04:37,110 Say something wrong, you get smacked. 1438 01:04:37,150 --> 01:04:39,010 If you come late, you get smacked. 1439 01:04:39,050 --> 01:04:41,160 If you do this, you get smacked. 1440 01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:43,090 (laughs) That sounds to me-- 1441 01:04:43,130 --> 01:04:45,200 To me, it was like pimps and hoes. 1442 01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:50,010 (Doug Young) I just knew how after a while, Suge was unapproachable. 1443 01:04:50,050 --> 01:04:52,220 You couldn't really talk to him no more. 1444 01:04:53,020 --> 01:04:55,110 You know, I just-- I just knew it. 1445 01:04:55,150 --> 01:04:56,210 There was no more talking to this guy. 1446 01:04:57,010 --> 01:05:00,060 Man, this guy is the fucking man. 1447 01:05:00,100 --> 01:05:04,160 The company was, by no ways, forms, or fashion, Hollywood. 1448 01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:05,190 You know how white folks like to do. 1449 01:05:05,230 --> 01:05:07,210 They like to scream at each other. 1450 01:05:08,010 --> 01:05:10,180 They-- "I'm gonna get my lawyer on you." 1451 01:05:10,220 --> 01:05:13,070 But the new brothers wasn't doing it like that. 1452 01:05:13,110 --> 01:05:16,170 They was coming through doors, coming through windows, 1453 01:05:16,210 --> 01:05:18,060 and the whole nine on people. 1454 01:05:18,100 --> 01:05:20,000 You know, these rappers are from the street. 1455 01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:21,190 They're not used to nothing else. 1456 01:05:21,230 --> 01:05:25,050 So you have to deal with ''em in the street mentality. 1457 01:05:25,090 --> 01:05:27,060 I heard somebody once describe them 1458 01:05:27,100 --> 01:05:30,020 as all thinking they were in a "Godfather" movie. 1459 01:05:30,060 --> 01:05:33,100 Suge was famous for applying the old Mafia tactics, 1460 01:05:33,140 --> 01:05:35,000 that you instill fear in everybody. 1461 01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:37,020 And a guy just walks in, he wants to-- 1462 01:05:37,060 --> 01:05:39,110 he has no idea we're in the middle of a meeting. 1463 01:05:39,150 --> 01:05:41,000 He wants a record deal, he walks in, 1464 01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:42,230 and he says he knows how to rap. 1465 01:05:43,030 --> 01:05:47,000 So Suge says, "Okay, rap. 1466 01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:49,090 If we don't like what you do, we gonna kick your ass." 1467 01:05:49,130 --> 01:05:52,140 He said maybe three words, and they just lit his ass up. 1468 01:05:52,180 --> 01:05:55,070 I've seen people get beat up. 1469 01:05:55,110 --> 01:05:58,150 You understand I've seen people get that door locked on 'em, 1470 01:05:58,190 --> 01:06:01,160 the infamous door-locking... (laughs) 1471 01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:05,030 when they take you in a room and touch you up and down. 1472 01:06:05,070 --> 01:06:07,010 I wasn't the only lady that got beat up. 1473 01:06:11,140 --> 01:06:15,020 But I was the only lady beat up and he held down. 1474 01:06:15,060 --> 01:06:19,080 Suge grabbed me by my feet, and everything went haywire. 1475 01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:21,120 This girl cold-cocked me. 1476 01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:25,070 She loosened up my teeth, and I had two black eyes. 1477 01:06:25,110 --> 01:06:28,120 David Kenner stood up and watched. 1478 01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:31,000 Somebody else videotaped it, 1479 01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:32,210 and I kicked Suge in his nuts, 1480 01:06:33,010 --> 01:06:34,230 and I got the hell up out of there. 1481 01:06:35,030 --> 01:06:38,080 I have not laid eyes on Suge since that day. 1482 01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:41,020 He won't lay eyes on me till he see this. 1483 01:06:50,100 --> 01:06:52,070 (Doug Young) All that drama that people knew that was happening 1484 01:06:52,110 --> 01:06:55,080 right there at Death Row on that 12th floor-- 1485 01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:59,080 this is at the building right down near the UCLA on Wilshire-- 1486 01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:01,220 it never leaked over to the Interscope side. 1487 01:07:02,020 --> 01:07:02,230 You know, you see the Interscope. 1488 01:07:03,030 --> 01:07:04,130 Interscope looks nice, woody. 1489 01:07:04,170 --> 01:07:07,040 Things say "Interscope Records," and... 1490 01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:09,140 they get into reception-- Death Row is just a door. 1491 01:07:09,180 --> 01:07:11,040 (laughing) It's... 1492 01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:13,200 It was just a mahogany door-- 1493 01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:17,160 colored door-- with a camera. 1494 01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:20,020 (Snoop Dogg) D.O.C. and RBX both had problems with Suge. 1495 01:07:20,060 --> 01:07:22,140 They seen what type of person he was on the inside. 1496 01:07:22,180 --> 01:07:25,020 Not to say nothing bad or not to say nothing good about him, 1497 01:07:25,060 --> 01:07:26,190 but they seen the type of person he was. 1498 01:07:26,230 --> 01:07:28,130 And through the grace of God and good attorneys, 1499 01:07:28,170 --> 01:07:30,060 they were able to leave. 1500 01:07:30,100 --> 01:07:32,100 Everybody else was forced in a chokehold after that. 1501 01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:42,230 (Frank Alexander) Tupac Shakur was not before his time, 1502 01:07:43,030 --> 01:07:46,040 but one of a kind of his time and era. 1503 01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:49,090 He was a movie star, and for him to be doing street stuff 1504 01:07:49,130 --> 01:07:51,170 gave him, like, sort of a Marlon Brando edge, 1505 01:07:51,210 --> 01:07:54,010 the outlaw who was living life 1506 01:07:54,050 --> 01:07:56,160 in some romantic Ernest Hemingway world 1507 01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:58,120 where you lived out your art. 1508 01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:00,070 He had that almost uncontrollable, 1509 01:08:00,110 --> 01:08:02,180 defiant attitude. 1510 01:08:02,220 --> 01:08:04,090 I got a big mouth, can't help it. 1511 01:08:04,130 --> 01:08:06,210 I talk from my heart, I'm real, you know what I'm saying? 1512 01:08:07,010 --> 01:08:08,110 Whatever comes, comes. 1513 01:08:08,150 --> 01:08:10,230 But my controversy, probably-- and it's not my fault. 1514 01:08:11,030 --> 01:08:12,020 I'm trying to find my way in the world. 1515 01:08:12,060 --> 01:08:13,100 You know, I'm trying to be somebody 1516 01:08:13,140 --> 01:08:15,160 instead of just make money off everybody. 1517 01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:17,100 Tupac's gift was the ability 1518 01:08:17,140 --> 01:08:19,060 to take somebody else's pain and story 1519 01:08:19,100 --> 01:08:20,130 and translate it. 1520 01:08:20,170 --> 01:08:23,010 We, as rappers, bought that violence. 1521 01:08:23,050 --> 01:08:24,200 We bought the violence that we seen on the street, 1522 01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:25,220 and we put it in our records, 1523 01:08:26,020 --> 01:08:27,100 put it in our records for years. 1524 01:08:27,140 --> 01:08:28,150 And after three, four years, 1525 01:08:28,190 --> 01:08:30,170 people finally starting to see it 1526 01:08:30,210 --> 01:08:32,200 because of all the statistics that's going on in the streets. 1527 01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:34,070 If we stop talking about it, 1528 01:08:34,110 --> 01:08:35,170 then they wouldn't take statistics. 1529 01:08:35,210 --> 01:08:37,030 And when they stop taking statistics, 1530 01:08:37,070 --> 01:08:38,080 then we'd be killing each other in the street, 1531 01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:39,230 and these white people wouldn't care no more. 1532 01:08:40,030 --> 01:08:42,130 He would definitely give you something to think about. 1533 01:08:42,170 --> 01:08:43,160 I know some of y'all white folks 1534 01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:44,200 and some of y'all black folks 1535 01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:46,160 don't appreciate what we talking about, 1536 01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:48,150 but this is the only way we got to make money. 1537 01:08:48,190 --> 01:08:50,180 And if you don't let me make my money on the streets, 1538 01:08:50,220 --> 01:08:54,050 I guarantee you, I will make my money on the streets. 1539 01:08:54,090 --> 01:08:56,020 A lot of people say the same things 1540 01:08:56,060 --> 01:08:58,120 or have said the same things as Pac, 1541 01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:00,220 but Tupac made it believable. 1542 01:09:01,020 --> 01:09:02,040 'Cause at first, I always thought 1543 01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:06,050 he was just a crazy, arrogant, little idiot. 1544 01:09:06,090 --> 01:09:08,080 But I didn't really know how deep he was. 1545 01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:09,140 We have to be honest about the tools 1546 01:09:09,180 --> 01:09:11,130 that we use to survive. 1547 01:09:11,170 --> 01:09:16,000 And why is a black life any-- 1548 01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:19,140 any more... recoupable than a white life? 1549 01:09:19,180 --> 01:09:21,000 You know what I'm saying? 1550 01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:22,090 We know that they don't put the same security 1551 01:09:22,130 --> 01:09:24,110 in the ghetto that they do in the white-- 1552 01:09:24,150 --> 01:09:25,200 in the white neighborhoods. 1553 01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,160 What I saw in Tupac was someone 1554 01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:32,200 who had a desire to be successful, 1555 01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:36,160 and he only had two or three avenues. 1556 01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:39,220 One was rapping, one was acting, 1557 01:09:40,020 --> 01:09:44,140 and the other was going into the movement 1558 01:09:44,180 --> 01:09:46,190 that his family came out of. 1559 01:09:46,230 --> 01:09:49,010 His mother was a Black Panther. 1560 01:09:49,050 --> 01:09:51,080 All of the anger, frustration, and everything 1561 01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:53,070 that she was dealing with in what was going on 1562 01:09:53,110 --> 01:09:56,100 with her at that time in her life 1563 01:09:56,140 --> 01:09:58,200 was feeding right into him. 1564 01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:02,020 When Tupac was a kid, for punishment, 1565 01:10:02,060 --> 01:10:04,210 she would make him read "The New York Times" 1566 01:10:05,010 --> 01:10:06,130 cover to cover. 1567 01:10:06,170 --> 01:10:08,140 And at the end of the day, 1568 01:10:08,180 --> 01:10:10,070 he would be quizzed on everything 1569 01:10:10,110 --> 01:10:12,020 he read out of the paper. 1570 01:10:12,060 --> 01:10:16,060 Tupac, well aware of what his mother had gone through, 1571 01:10:16,100 --> 01:10:17,180 brought that into the '90s 1572 01:10:17,220 --> 01:10:20,170 because nothing had changed in the '60s to the '90s 1573 01:10:20,210 --> 01:10:23,200 as far as he saw with his race of people. 1574 01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:25,110 I don't know how to be responsible 1575 01:10:25,150 --> 01:10:26,230 for what every black male did. 1576 01:10:27,030 --> 01:10:28,030 I don't know. 1577 01:10:28,070 --> 01:10:30,090 Yes, I am gonna say that I'm a thug. 1578 01:10:30,130 --> 01:10:33,090 That's because I came from the gutter, and I'm still here. 1579 01:10:33,130 --> 01:10:35,120 I'm not saying I'm a thug 'cause I want to rob you 1580 01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:36,230 and rape people and things. 1581 01:10:37,030 --> 01:10:38,160 I'm a businessman. 1582 01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:39,220 I mean, you know I'm a businessman 1583 01:10:40,020 --> 01:10:43,010 because you find me at my places of business. 1584 01:10:43,050 --> 01:10:45,110 (Jeffrey Jolson-Colburn) Tupac was a star at Interscope, 1585 01:10:45,150 --> 01:10:47,090 and Interscope had their hands full with him. 1586 01:10:47,130 --> 01:10:50,070 He was in jail and in trouble. 1587 01:10:50,110 --> 01:10:52,210 He just had got beat up by the police. 1588 01:10:53,010 --> 01:10:54,210 He had a lawsuit going to them that he won, 1589 01:10:55,010 --> 01:10:57,180 and he was getting just harassed for anything. 1590 01:10:57,220 --> 01:11:00,020 I mean, you know, they just start throwing him on the news 1591 01:11:00,050 --> 01:11:01,120 as the bad guy of rap 1592 01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:03,020 when he really wasn't that person. 1593 01:11:03,060 --> 01:11:05,070 I appreciate the press that you're giving me, 1594 01:11:05,110 --> 01:11:08,140 for giving me a fair trial and a fair shot at justice. 1595 01:11:08,180 --> 01:11:10,040 I thank you from the bottom of my heart 1596 01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:12,130 for just destroying everything I worked for 1597 01:11:12,170 --> 01:11:15,050 for the past 22 years, and a Happy New Year to you too. 1598 01:11:15,090 --> 01:11:16,200 Tupac was in the news every day. 1599 01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:19,220 I mean, you can't buy that kind of publicity. 1600 01:11:20,020 --> 01:11:23,100 It's unfortunate the kinds of media coverage that they got, 1601 01:11:23,140 --> 01:11:25,180 but it added to sales. 1602 01:11:25,220 --> 01:11:28,090 People didn't know Pac had, like, 15 cases 1603 01:11:28,130 --> 01:11:30,060 in different states in America. 1604 01:11:30,100 --> 01:11:32,000 We would go do a show, 1605 01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:33,170 Pac would go straight to court 1606 01:11:33,210 --> 01:11:35,150 soon as we get off the airplane. 1607 01:11:35,190 --> 01:11:37,120 Don't block my way, and don't hit my lawyer. 1608 01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:40,200 (Virgil Roberts) Great artists are almost always out of step 1609 01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:42,230 with what's going on in society 1610 01:11:43,030 --> 01:11:44,090 'cause they see the world differently 1611 01:11:44,130 --> 01:11:45,170 and they act differently. 1612 01:11:45,210 --> 01:11:47,230 The last situation he got into, 1613 01:11:48,030 --> 01:11:50,110 Interscope kind of, like, left him for dead. 1614 01:11:50,150 --> 01:11:52,030 They weren't really fucking with Pac like that. 1615 01:11:52,070 --> 01:11:53,210 Shakur and another man were accused 1616 01:11:54,010 --> 01:11:56,190 of sexually assaulting and sodomizing a 21-year-old woman 1617 01:11:56,230 --> 01:11:58,150 in their hotel room last year. 1618 01:11:58,190 --> 01:11:59,190 It's not a crime for me to be 1619 01:11:59,230 --> 01:12:01,150 with any girl I want to be with. 1620 01:12:01,190 --> 01:12:04,200 It's a crime for that girl to turn that into a rape charge. 1621 01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:07,020 It was her who sodomized me. 1622 01:12:07,060 --> 01:12:09,000 It wasn't me who went down to the dance club 1623 01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:10,110 and ate her out. 1624 01:12:10,150 --> 01:12:13,090 It was her in the dance club who had oral sex with me. 1625 01:12:13,130 --> 01:12:15,010 She should be charged, not me. 1626 01:12:15,050 --> 01:12:16,210 Last night, or just after midnight, 1627 01:12:17,010 --> 01:12:19,160 at 723 Seventh Avenue-- 1628 01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:22,200 that's between 48th and 49th Street-- 1629 01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:27,020 our rap star, Tupac Shakur, and three members of his group 1630 01:12:27,060 --> 01:12:29,010 were robbed and shot. 1631 01:12:29,050 --> 01:12:32,020 (Kevin Powell) The word on the streets is that it was a warning to Tupac. 1632 01:12:32,060 --> 01:12:34,040 Who was it coming from? 1633 01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:35,230 (reporter) In a bizarre twist of events, 1634 01:12:36,030 --> 01:12:38,200 rap singer Tupac Shakur checked himself out 1635 01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:41,080 of Bellevue Hospital late Wednesday night 1636 01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:44,050 after the 23-year-old was shot five times 1637 01:12:44,090 --> 01:12:46,180 early that same morning inside the lobby 1638 01:12:46,220 --> 01:12:49,060 of a Times Square recording studio. 1639 01:12:49,100 --> 01:12:50,120 (reporter 2) Shakur had appeared in court today, 1640 01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:52,090 but had little to say about being shot. 1641 01:12:52,130 --> 01:12:53,230 (reporter 3) Mr. Shakur, how are you this morning? 1642 01:12:54,030 --> 01:12:56,040 (reporter 4) After three days of deliberations, 1643 01:12:56,080 --> 01:13:00,080 the jury has finally decided the fate of rapper Tupac Shakur. 1644 01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:03,020 Guilty on three counts of sexual abuse, 1645 01:13:03,060 --> 01:13:06,230 he now faces 1 1/2 to 4 1/2 years in prison. 1646 01:13:07,030 --> 01:13:10,210 The main impetus for the incarceration of Mr. Shakur 1647 01:13:11,010 --> 01:13:13,100 was from City Hall, Mr. Giuliani himself. 1648 01:13:13,140 --> 01:13:16,120 Being 23, being black, and last name being Shakur in America, 1649 01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:19,000 he never had a chance. 1650 01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:23,140 Tupac was in jail, and he wanted out of jail, 1651 01:13:23,180 --> 01:13:25,070 and he wanted out of jail badly. 1652 01:13:25,110 --> 01:13:27,180 No one, including Interscope, was putting up 1653 01:13:27,220 --> 01:13:30,070 any bail money to get him out, 1654 01:13:30,110 --> 01:13:33,170 and his bail was set at $1.4 million. 1655 01:13:33,210 --> 01:13:35,020 A lot of people on the East Coast, 1656 01:13:35,060 --> 01:13:37,100 a lot of people in New York City dissed him hard, man. 1657 01:13:37,140 --> 01:13:38,230 They dissed him on the radio. 1658 01:13:39,030 --> 01:13:41,160 No one went to go visit him except for a few people. 1659 01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:44,080 And he wanted to be number one again. 1660 01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:46,080 So where else do you go 1661 01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:48,220 but to where the other number-one people are? 1662 01:13:49,020 --> 01:13:51,040 (Allen Gordon) Death Row Records had been trying 1663 01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:53,100 to get Tupac for some time. 1664 01:13:53,140 --> 01:13:55,060 If you got Suge Knight dangling in front of you, 1665 01:13:55,100 --> 01:13:59,040 you know, freedom, freedom, money, power, respect, 1666 01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:01,040 can get you out of jail, how else you gonna go for it? 1667 01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:03,230 You got a scared young man, first time behind bars. 1668 01:14:04,030 --> 01:14:06,000 He's supposed to be back there for four years. 1669 01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:09,220 And Pac promised him in return, "You get me out of here, 1670 01:14:10,020 --> 01:14:11,180 "I'll put Death Row on the map. 1671 01:14:11,220 --> 01:14:14,150 My first CD will sell six million copies." 1672 01:14:14,190 --> 01:14:15,220 And I don't think it's a coincidence 1673 01:14:16,020 --> 01:14:18,120 that Suge wanted him on Death Row Records so badly 1674 01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:21,170 because even though Snoop was a huge star, 1675 01:14:21,210 --> 01:14:23,060 he didn't have what Tupac had, 1676 01:14:23,100 --> 01:14:28,040 that kind of icon presence, like a James Dean or Elvis. 1677 01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:32,180 Now, I heard that he had Pac sign a contract on toilet paper. 1678 01:14:32,220 --> 01:14:34,110 (laughs) 1679 01:14:34,150 --> 01:14:35,210 I don't know how true it is, 1680 01:14:36,010 --> 01:14:39,210 but I know when Pac came back... he was ready. 1681 01:14:40,010 --> 01:14:41,230 (Frank Alexander) Tupac got out September of '95. 1682 01:14:42,030 --> 01:14:43,070 He went to Death Row Records. 1683 01:14:43,110 --> 01:14:44,190 That's the day he got off the plane, 1684 01:14:44,230 --> 01:14:46,200 and they laid down their first track 1685 01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:49,000 for "All Eyez on Me" in 15 minutes. 1686 01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:52,090 This album is more celebratory of life, 1687 01:14:52,130 --> 01:14:58,090 um, upbeat, energetic, fun, I think, 1688 01:14:58,130 --> 01:15:01,110 but it's also harsher in terms of the language 1689 01:15:01,150 --> 01:15:04,100 because I didn't-- I've been in jail for 11 1/2 months. 1690 01:15:04,140 --> 01:15:07,060 (Ton Def) Tupac brought the feeling of "I was nothing, 1691 01:15:07,100 --> 01:15:08,140 "now I'm something, 1692 01:15:08,180 --> 01:15:10,120 "and I want everybody else to be something too. 1693 01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:12,020 If I can do it, you can do it." 1694 01:15:12,060 --> 01:15:13,210 He stirred up the whole group there. 1695 01:15:14,010 --> 01:15:16,010 He got them all going and all working. 1696 01:15:16,050 --> 01:15:18,090 He made sure that every artist at Death Row 1697 01:15:18,130 --> 01:15:20,170 had some part of this double CD. 1698 01:15:20,210 --> 01:15:23,090 It was his way of saying, "Look, I'm part of the family, 1699 01:15:23,130 --> 01:15:25,140 and I want you on my album," 1700 01:15:25,180 --> 01:15:27,040 which he did not have to do. 1701 01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:28,120 Like, I remember doing a session with him, you know, 1702 01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:30,060 and it seemed like he was just running around, having fun, 1703 01:15:30,100 --> 01:15:31,140 just partying, you know, having a good time. 1704 01:15:31,180 --> 01:15:32,220 But the man was done. 1705 01:15:33,020 --> 01:15:35,070 We thought that he didn't even write 'em. 1706 01:15:35,110 --> 01:15:37,040 We thought he came with his lyrics already. 1707 01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:38,230 But no, he wrote 'em that day. 1708 01:15:39,030 --> 01:15:40,150 And that's just how sharp he was, man. 1709 01:15:40,190 --> 01:15:42,130 (Suge Knight) You had people around the studio saying, 1710 01:15:42,170 --> 01:15:44,050 "Man, we gotta get like Pac. 1711 01:15:44,090 --> 01:15:45,210 "Pac just go in there, kick 'em in, kick 'em out, 1712 01:15:46,010 --> 01:15:47,070 kick 'em in, kick 'em out." 1713 01:15:47,110 --> 01:15:48,190 And that's all they'd talk about, 1714 01:15:48,230 --> 01:15:50,140 and that's exactly what they were doing. 1715 01:15:50,180 --> 01:15:52,110 He made the level of competition, 1716 01:15:52,150 --> 01:15:53,170 which is a good thing. 1717 01:15:53,210 --> 01:15:55,110 He brought that level up. 1718 01:15:55,150 --> 01:15:57,000 Any of the artists will tell you 1719 01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:59,210 that what Tupac put into them was this business 1720 01:16:00,020 --> 01:16:02,140 of the work ethic, where you can do more 1721 01:16:02,180 --> 01:16:04,180 if you just work at it. 1722 01:16:04,220 --> 01:16:07,020 When Tupac came, it's like Suge wasn't worried 1723 01:16:07,060 --> 01:16:10,010 about nobody else, not Snoop, nobody at the time. 1724 01:16:10,050 --> 01:16:10,200 Nobody. 1725 01:16:36,100 --> 01:16:38,180 Around the time that Tupac got out of jail, 1726 01:16:38,220 --> 01:16:42,180 Sean "Puffy" Combs was about to become, 1727 01:16:42,220 --> 01:16:45,040 I would say, the East Coast version of Suge Knight, 1728 01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:46,130 with Bad Boy Records. 1729 01:16:46,170 --> 01:16:50,020 You know, his first big artist was the Notorious B.I.G. 1730 01:16:50,060 --> 01:16:52,140 This bullshit about the East Coast and the West Coast 1731 01:16:52,180 --> 01:16:55,040 started when we went out to New York 1732 01:16:55,080 --> 01:17:00,020 to do the Source Awards, and Mr. Knight went onstage. 1733 01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:01,130 And he's in New York City, 1734 01:17:01,170 --> 01:17:04,040 and we all know Puffy's from New York City. 1735 01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:06,120 Any artist out there want to be an artist, 1736 01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:09,100 and want to stay a star, and don't want to have to worry 1737 01:17:09,140 --> 01:17:11,140 about the executive producer trying to be 1738 01:17:11,180 --> 01:17:16,070 all in the videos, all on the records, dancing, 1739 01:17:16,110 --> 01:17:17,230 come to Death Row. 1740 01:17:18,030 --> 01:17:21,180 (booing) 1741 01:17:25,010 --> 01:17:27,020 I mean, the whole crowd started booing. 1742 01:17:27,060 --> 01:17:29,100 And then, I thought to myself, like, 1743 01:17:29,140 --> 01:17:31,010 "Why would you do that?" 1744 01:17:31,050 --> 01:17:35,010 The East Coast don't love Dr. Dre and Snoop Dogg? 1745 01:17:35,050 --> 01:17:36,170 The East Coast ain't got no love 1746 01:17:36,210 --> 01:17:40,040 for Dr. Dre, and Snoop Dogg, and Death Row? 1747 01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:42,090 Y'all don't love us? 1748 01:17:42,130 --> 01:17:44,140 Y'all don't love us? 1749 01:17:44,180 --> 01:17:46,120 Well, let it be known then. 1750 01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:48,010 We know y'all East Coast. 1751 01:17:48,050 --> 01:17:49,120 We know where the (...) we at. 1752 01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:51,130 East Coast (...)! 1753 01:17:51,170 --> 01:17:53,060 (booing) 1754 01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:58,160 I'm the executive producer that a comment was made about 1755 01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:01,030 a little bit earlier, but cont-- check this out. 1756 01:18:01,070 --> 01:18:04,050 Contrary to what other people may feel, 1757 01:18:04,090 --> 01:18:07,190 I would like to say that I'm very proud of Dr. Dre, 1758 01:18:07,230 --> 01:18:10,220 of Death Row and Suge Knight for their accomplishments. 1759 01:18:11,020 --> 01:18:12,070 And all this East and West, that needs to stop. 1760 01:18:12,110 --> 01:18:15,210 It was so... personal. 1761 01:18:16,010 --> 01:18:17,160 Puffy was a good friend of mine. 1762 01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:19,160 (Kevin Powell) There's enough room in this business 1763 01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:23,110 for two young black males who are entrepreneurs to exist. 1764 01:18:23,150 --> 01:18:26,220 I mean, can you imagine if Al Bell and Berry Gordy 1765 01:18:27,020 --> 01:18:28,060 were fighting, or if The Temptations 1766 01:18:28,100 --> 01:18:29,080 had beef with The Four Tops? 1767 01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:30,050 I mean, it sounds fucking retarded 1768 01:18:30,090 --> 01:18:31,200 when you think about it. 1769 01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:34,000 "Yo, The Four Tops got beef with The Temptations, 1770 01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:35,180 Marvin Gaye and Smokey Robinson were fighting 1771 01:18:35,220 --> 01:18:37,060 at the Grammy Awards last night." 1772 01:18:37,100 --> 01:18:39,000 I mean, think about that for a second. 1773 01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:41,040 A lot of people on the West Coast felt that... 1774 01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:46,180 we have always had love for the East Coast, you know? 1775 01:18:46,220 --> 01:18:49,080 They come here and break their records. 1776 01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:51,180 They come here and play at the clubs. 1777 01:18:51,220 --> 01:18:53,030 You know, they come do in-stores. 1778 01:18:53,070 --> 01:18:56,010 We do the whole nine with them East Coast cats, 1779 01:18:56,050 --> 01:18:58,150 and we go out there, and we don't get that same love. 1780 01:18:58,190 --> 01:19:01,030 I remember New York DJs at parties 1781 01:19:01,070 --> 01:19:02,210 refusing to play West Coast records. 1782 01:19:03,010 --> 01:19:05,090 "They country, they're bamas, they wear Jheri curls, 1783 01:19:05,130 --> 01:19:07,160 they can't rhyme, they're whack, it's not danceable." 1784 01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:10,050 It was the media that blew it up, you know? 1785 01:19:10,090 --> 01:19:14,010 You're seeing certain things that somebody said 1786 01:19:14,050 --> 01:19:16,200 highlighted in magazines about the West Coast, 1787 01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:20,030 and vice versa, and it just-- 1788 01:19:20,070 --> 01:19:21,170 it just boiled over from there. 1789 01:19:21,210 --> 01:19:24,040 All these people talking about an East Coast-West Coast war, 1790 01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:26,040 they like what Judas was to Jesus. 1791 01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:27,160 They only here to cause confusion. 1792 01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:29,090 It made rap music look bad. 1793 01:19:29,130 --> 01:19:31,210 It made rap music look like 1794 01:19:32,010 --> 01:19:33,220 it was just another part of the dope game. 1795 01:19:34,020 --> 01:19:36,120 Controversy is what Death Row started living off of 1796 01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:38,040 instead of talent. 1797 01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:40,010 If this was chess, we'd be yelling "checkmate" 1798 01:19:40,050 --> 01:19:41,120 three motherfucking years ago 1799 01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:43,030 'cause we been beat these motherfuckers. 1800 01:19:43,070 --> 01:19:45,200 Then, the disrespect just started getting worse and worse 1801 01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:48,020 between the West Coast and the East Coast. 1802 01:19:48,060 --> 01:19:50,010 Overthrow the government y'all got right now, 1803 01:19:50,050 --> 01:19:52,100 which is Bad Boy, and Nas, and all that bullshit, 1804 01:19:52,140 --> 01:19:53,220 and we will bring a new government here 1805 01:19:54,020 --> 01:19:55,210 that will feed every person in New York. 1806 01:19:56,010 --> 01:19:59,110 And then you had the Tupac and Big situation, 1807 01:19:59,150 --> 01:20:01,110 you know, flaming it even more. 1808 01:20:01,150 --> 01:20:03,070 I possess his soul, his and Puffy's. 1809 01:20:03,110 --> 01:20:05,220 They know that I was the truest nigga 1810 01:20:06,020 --> 01:20:07,110 involved with Biggie's success. 1811 01:20:07,150 --> 01:20:08,160 I was the biggest help. 1812 01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:09,160 I was the truest nigga. 1813 01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:10,200 I don't write his rhymes, 1814 01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:12,230 but he know how much he borrowed from me. 1815 01:20:13,030 --> 01:20:14,180 He know how I used to stop my shows 1816 01:20:14,220 --> 01:20:16,040 and let him touch the show, 1817 01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:18,030 let him blow up and do his whole show 1818 01:20:18,070 --> 01:20:19,100 in the middle of my show, 1819 01:20:19,140 --> 01:20:21,040 how I used to buy him shit, and give him shit, 1820 01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:22,150 and never ask for it back, 1821 01:20:22,190 --> 01:20:25,080 how I used to share, how I used to share my experiences 1822 01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:27,210 in the game, and my lessons, and my rules, and my knowledge 1823 01:20:28,010 --> 01:20:29,110 on the game with him, you know what I mean? 1824 01:20:29,150 --> 01:20:30,180 He owed me more. 1825 01:20:30,220 --> 01:20:32,030 He owed me more than to turn his head 1826 01:20:32,070 --> 01:20:33,070 and act like he didn't know niggas 1827 01:20:33,110 --> 01:20:34,190 was about to blow my fucking head off. 1828 01:20:34,230 --> 01:20:36,140 He knew, but for me to know, 1829 01:20:36,180 --> 01:20:38,080 like, three weeks ago, this happened, 1830 01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:40,100 and then three weeks later, you're album's coming out, 1831 01:20:40,140 --> 01:20:43,000 and you are a fucking don in your album, 1832 01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:45,010 but you don't know who shot me in your fucking hometown? 1833 01:20:45,050 --> 01:20:46,140 This nigga's from your neighborhood, 1834 01:20:46,180 --> 01:20:48,070 and I gotta find out by myself? 1835 01:20:48,110 --> 01:20:50,070 And I don't even call myself a don. 1836 01:20:50,110 --> 01:20:52,130 I'm just a capo from the West Side, 1837 01:20:52,170 --> 01:20:53,150 and I'm on the East Side in jail, 1838 01:20:53,190 --> 01:20:54,170 and I know who touched me, 1839 01:20:54,210 --> 01:20:56,100 and I know everything that happened. 1840 01:20:56,140 --> 01:20:59,180 Tupac was wrong in blaming 1841 01:20:59,220 --> 01:21:01,070 whoever the individual figures were 1842 01:21:01,110 --> 01:21:04,080 who actually had something to do with it in New York, 1843 01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:06,210 and making it into this whole New York City thing 1844 01:21:07,010 --> 01:21:08,200 and then this East Coast- West Coast thing. 1845 01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:10,230 And I think that he definitely had someone in his ear-- 1846 01:21:11,030 --> 01:21:13,060 probably Suge-- exacerbating it. 1847 01:21:13,100 --> 01:21:14,120 It sells records. 1848 01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:16,070 It continues to get media attention, 1849 01:21:16,110 --> 01:21:18,200 which sells more records. 1850 01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:21,010 (Jeffrey Jolson-Colburn) Tupac had claimed to have gone out 1851 01:21:21,050 --> 01:21:23,080 with Biggie's wife, Faith Evans. 1852 01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:26,180 This was a great humiliation, reportedly, for Biggie. 1853 01:21:26,220 --> 01:21:29,110 It was all over. 1854 01:21:29,150 --> 01:21:33,220 We were in Manhattan shooting a video. 1855 01:21:34,020 --> 01:21:36,190 Biggie Smalls had gotten on the radio station, 1856 01:21:36,230 --> 01:21:39,170 and Biggie said that, "I cannot believe 1857 01:21:39,210 --> 01:21:45,030 "that New York is allowing Tupac and the Dogg Pound 1858 01:21:45,070 --> 01:21:47,070 "to shoot a video in our city, 1859 01:21:47,110 --> 01:21:49,080 right in the heart of Times Square." 1860 01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:51,100 The words out of Biggie's mouth was, 1861 01:21:51,140 --> 01:21:54,060 "Tupac and the Dogg Pound." 1862 01:21:54,100 --> 01:21:55,060 And it wasn't. 1863 01:21:55,100 --> 01:21:57,000 It was Snoop and the Dogg Pound. 1864 01:21:57,040 --> 01:21:58,230 Tupac was not with us. 1865 01:21:59,030 --> 01:22:01,090 Snoop at the time was having his hair braided, 1866 01:22:01,130 --> 01:22:03,010 and all of the artists was in the trailer. 1867 01:22:03,050 --> 01:22:05,030 And then, all of a sudden, gunfire. 1868 01:22:05,070 --> 01:22:06,190 Someone shot into the trailer. 1869 01:22:06,230 --> 01:22:09,220 They weren't shooting in there to say, you know, "Get out." 1870 01:22:10,020 --> 01:22:12,060 They were shooting in there to kill someone. 1871 01:22:12,100 --> 01:22:15,210 (Jeffrey Jolson-Colburn) There was a shift in Tupac Shakur's lyrical content. 1872 01:22:16,010 --> 01:22:17,200 He, at first, was more political. 1873 01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:21,070 Then, at some point, he became more street. 1874 01:22:21,110 --> 01:22:24,130 It was West Coast versus East Coast. 1875 01:22:24,170 --> 01:22:27,150 The person at Riker's Island was very reflective, 1876 01:22:27,190 --> 01:22:29,130 and he's gonna change his life, and everything. 1877 01:22:29,170 --> 01:22:33,070 This new person was, like, "Fuck New York. 1878 01:22:33,110 --> 01:22:35,050 "Fuck the East Coast. Suge is the man. 1879 01:22:35,090 --> 01:22:36,150 He takes care of me." 1880 01:22:36,190 --> 01:22:38,180 He's flashing money in front of the MTV cameras. 1881 01:22:38,220 --> 01:22:41,030 It was like, wow-- it was Jekyll and Hyde. 1882 01:22:41,070 --> 01:22:44,030 One of the songs was a song called "Hit 'Em Up." 1883 01:22:44,070 --> 01:22:47,180 It talked about killing the Bad Boy camp, 1884 01:22:47,220 --> 01:22:48,200 you know, different artists. 1885 01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:50,050 It was a lot of threats. 1886 01:22:50,090 --> 01:22:53,040 I go, "Pac--" I go, "Did you hear what you said?" 1887 01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:55,180 He was like, "Yeah, nigga, I wrote it." 1888 01:22:55,220 --> 01:22:59,120 "Okay, um, we're gonna need some more security, 1889 01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:01,220 and you need to start wearing a vest." 1890 01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:08,230 (Hank Caldwell) Anytime you have this synergy 1891 01:23:09,030 --> 01:23:10,210 between two or more people 1892 01:23:11,010 --> 01:23:12,140 and they make things happen, 1893 01:23:12,180 --> 01:23:14,090 when you start breaking that up, 1894 01:23:14,130 --> 01:23:16,030 things are never the same again. 1895 01:23:16,070 --> 01:23:18,010 When you think about Dr. Dre, 1896 01:23:18,050 --> 01:23:19,130 here's a cat who's always had 1897 01:23:19,170 --> 01:23:23,060 some sort of big brother or father figure around him. 1898 01:23:23,100 --> 01:23:25,030 Early on, it was Alonzo Williams. 1899 01:23:25,070 --> 01:23:27,110 Then, it was Eazy-E, Jerry Heller. 1900 01:23:27,150 --> 01:23:28,180 Then, it becomes Suge Knight. 1901 01:23:28,220 --> 01:23:30,070 And so, Dre was one of those cats 1902 01:23:30,110 --> 01:23:32,080 who always needed guidance from someone else 1903 01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:34,090 because Dre is really an artistic person. 1904 01:23:34,130 --> 01:23:35,230 He's an artist, he's a true artist. 1905 01:23:36,030 --> 01:23:37,170 Seemed like after a while, somebody was pulling 1906 01:23:37,210 --> 01:23:41,190 his strings, you know, like Dre had to answer to somebody. 1907 01:23:41,230 --> 01:23:43,060 (interviewer) Who do you think that was? 1908 01:23:43,100 --> 01:23:45,010 We all know who that was. 1909 01:23:45,050 --> 01:23:47,050 (Kevin Powell) The king, i.e. Suge Knight, 1910 01:23:47,090 --> 01:23:49,080 felt the need to have the court around him, 1911 01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:51,210 and I don't think Dre felt comfortable with that. 1912 01:23:52,010 --> 01:23:54,120 I've got all these people around me, um... 1913 01:23:55,190 --> 01:23:57,180 How many of 'em do I really need? 1914 01:23:57,220 --> 01:24:00,040 (Frank Alexander) Tupac and Dr. Dre 1915 01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:02,080 was fine in the beginning. 1916 01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:03,170 Everything was great. 1917 01:24:03,210 --> 01:24:06,010 I mean, you didn't see any problems. 1918 01:24:06,050 --> 01:24:08,030 From the time that I worked there in '95 1919 01:24:08,070 --> 01:24:10,040 up until early '96, 1920 01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:12,090 Dr. Dre had been in the studio twice. 1921 01:24:12,130 --> 01:24:15,060 Pac took offense to that. 1922 01:24:15,100 --> 01:24:17,160 (Tupac Shakur) He wasn't producing shit. 1923 01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:19,180 Other niggas was producing the beats like on my albums. 1924 01:24:19,220 --> 01:24:20,200 Other niggas is doing the beats, 1925 01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:22,060 and Dre was getting the credit. 1926 01:24:22,100 --> 01:24:26,180 Daz and all the other little producers, and Assassin, 1927 01:24:26,220 --> 01:24:29,200 all the ones we have, and... they did the tracks. 1928 01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:31,070 Dre wasn't doing the tracks, 1929 01:24:31,110 --> 01:24:33,090 and Dre didn't write the lyrics. 1930 01:24:33,130 --> 01:24:36,070 (Kevin Powell) Suge basically took on the role for Tupac 1931 01:24:36,110 --> 01:24:38,160 that he had taken on for Dre. 1932 01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:39,160 And I don't think it's a coincidence 1933 01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:41,040 at a certain point, you know, 1934 01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:43,030 Tupac started becoming the mouthpiece for Suge 1935 01:24:43,070 --> 01:24:45,030 and started dissing Dre. 1936 01:24:45,070 --> 01:24:48,020 (Tupac Shakur) He is a dope producer, but he ain't worked in years. 1937 01:24:48,060 --> 01:24:50,120 I'm out here in the streets, you know what I mean? 1938 01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:52,230 Whooping niggas' asses, starting wars and shit, 1939 01:24:53,030 --> 01:24:55,190 putting it down, dropping albums, doing my shit, 1940 01:24:55,230 --> 01:24:58,060 and this nigga taking three years to do one song. 1941 01:24:58,100 --> 01:24:59,160 I seen the change. 1942 01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:02,140 Like, right after we finished "Murder Was the Case," 1943 01:25:02,180 --> 01:25:05,010 and we moved into Can-Am Studios 1944 01:25:05,050 --> 01:25:06,160 and started working on the "Dogg Food" album. 1945 01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:09,150 I just seen that he wasn't as inspired. 1946 01:25:09,190 --> 01:25:11,120 And it was, like-- it was too many thugs 1947 01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:13,090 and niggas up there 1948 01:25:13,130 --> 01:25:14,220 that didn't have nothing to do with nothing. 1949 01:25:15,020 --> 01:25:17,040 It was mostly just the way the studio was, you know? 1950 01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:19,010 And that's where I have to spend most of my time. 1951 01:25:19,050 --> 01:25:20,110 It was not a work atmosphere anymore. 1952 01:25:20,150 --> 01:25:22,080 It became fun and games. 1953 01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:23,160 And the success had kicked in, 1954 01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:25,200 and we were stars, and motherfuckers just loved 1955 01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:28,010 being around us and bringing bullshit around us, 1956 01:25:28,050 --> 01:25:29,150 and Dre wasn't for that. 1957 01:25:29,190 --> 01:25:32,140 I just didn't like some of the things that were going on. 1958 01:25:32,180 --> 01:25:34,130 There was nothing being done to stop it. 1959 01:25:34,170 --> 01:25:36,100 (Snoop Dogg) Dre likes to work in an environment 1960 01:25:36,140 --> 01:25:38,130 where he can create, and everybody's on 1961 01:25:38,170 --> 01:25:40,060 a creative atmosphere, and it's not about 1962 01:25:40,100 --> 01:25:43,180 what's going on in the hood, how many niggas you shot, 1963 01:25:43,220 --> 01:25:45,060 and how much shit you done did. 1964 01:25:45,100 --> 01:25:46,090 It ain't-- he didn't want that. 1965 01:25:46,130 --> 01:25:50,100 Suge took over the company. 1966 01:25:50,140 --> 01:25:53,070 It was no mystery to nobody. 1967 01:25:53,110 --> 01:25:56,030 I don't think Dre wanted to be a yes-man for somebody, 1968 01:25:56,070 --> 01:25:59,090 so he wanted his own situation again. 1969 01:25:59,130 --> 01:26:01,040 So he bailed out. 1970 01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:03,150 (man) He says, "Wait, I want out of this world. 1971 01:26:03,190 --> 01:26:05,160 "I want to form Aftermath, where I'm not part 1972 01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:07,030 "of Death Row anymore. 1973 01:26:07,070 --> 01:26:09,020 "I want to be beyond that, I want to be with my family. 1974 01:26:09,060 --> 01:26:10,220 I want to live." 1975 01:26:11,020 --> 01:26:12,130 (Nate Dogg) When Dr. Dre left Death Row Records, 1976 01:26:12,170 --> 01:26:14,170 that was the biggest shock to me 1977 01:26:14,210 --> 01:26:16,230 'cause I was real confused at how you start a label 1978 01:26:17,030 --> 01:26:20,020 then you leave the label. 1979 01:26:20,060 --> 01:26:21,140 I always figured if you had a problem 1980 01:26:21,180 --> 01:26:23,130 with somebody on your label, 1981 01:26:23,170 --> 01:26:24,200 you make them leave the label, 1982 01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:26,190 and you go on with what you're doing. 1983 01:26:26,230 --> 01:26:28,080 I guess that was the way of learning 1984 01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:30,170 that it wasn't all his label. 1985 01:26:30,210 --> 01:26:34,170 (Suge Knight) Dre's departure wasn't a loss. 1986 01:26:34,210 --> 01:26:38,090 I mean, if you have a multimillion-dollar company 1987 01:26:38,130 --> 01:26:41,010 maybe worth a billion dollars or so, 1988 01:26:41,050 --> 01:26:44,010 and you own it 100% and don't have a partner, 1989 01:26:44,050 --> 01:26:45,220 and you don't have to give him nothing 1990 01:26:46,020 --> 01:26:47,230 but his walking papers, that's great. 1991 01:26:48,030 --> 01:26:50,190 Dre made Death Row Records, you know what I'm saying? 1992 01:26:50,230 --> 01:26:53,220 And this is absurd that he's going from one situation 1993 01:26:54,020 --> 01:26:55,170 to another situation, where he feels 1994 01:26:55,210 --> 01:26:58,020 like he's being undercompensated. 1995 01:26:58,060 --> 01:27:01,130 To give up 50% of your label and move on elsewhere 1996 01:27:01,170 --> 01:27:02,200 from a dangerous situation, 1997 01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:04,060 which Death Row Records was becoming, 1998 01:27:04,100 --> 01:27:06,050 and we now find out that it is, 1999 01:27:06,090 --> 01:27:07,190 was a smart move for him. 2000 01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:16,100 ♪♪ (tense music) 2001 01:27:16,140 --> 01:27:20,220 (Frank Alexander) September 7th, we were just leaving a fight. 2002 01:27:21,020 --> 01:27:25,010 Tupac, Mike Tyson, friends, were at the fight. 2003 01:27:25,050 --> 01:27:29,110 And we go backstage to leave the building. 2004 01:27:29,150 --> 01:27:33,170 Immediately after coming from backstage, um... 2005 01:27:33,210 --> 01:27:36,050 one of Suge's homeboys came up 2006 01:27:36,090 --> 01:27:37,180 and whispered into Tupac's ear. 2007 01:27:37,220 --> 01:27:39,060 Pac took off running. 2008 01:27:39,100 --> 01:27:43,020 There was a gentleman standing with a MGM security guard 2009 01:27:43,060 --> 01:27:46,120 by a pillar as Tupac was approaching him. 2010 01:27:46,160 --> 01:27:48,120 Now, when I think about it, 2011 01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:50,090 the guy was standing there waiting. 2012 01:27:50,130 --> 01:27:53,110 And Pac ran up on him, and a fight broke out. 2013 01:27:53,150 --> 01:27:57,110 Orlando Anderson and a couple of Suge's homeboys 2014 01:27:57,150 --> 01:28:02,090 had gotten into a fight at the Lakewood Mall 2015 01:28:02,130 --> 01:28:05,200 in California back in April of '96 2016 01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:08,090 over a Death Row chain 2017 01:28:08,130 --> 01:28:13,130 because there was a bounty on the Death Row chains. 2018 01:28:13,170 --> 01:28:16,090 The same person that had got into an altercation 2019 01:28:16,130 --> 01:28:18,170 with Orlando Anderson in the mall 2020 01:28:18,210 --> 01:28:20,180 whispered into Tupac's ear, 2021 01:28:20,220 --> 01:28:23,000 and it caused this fight. 2022 01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:24,210 They were, you know, beating Orlando Anderson 2023 01:28:25,010 --> 01:28:26,070 up on the ground. 2024 01:28:26,110 --> 01:28:29,090 Tupac, Suge, and the rest of the entourage, 2025 01:28:29,130 --> 01:28:32,070 they're pretty much bragging about what had happened. 2026 01:28:32,110 --> 01:28:34,010 We get back to the Luxor Hotel. 2027 01:28:34,050 --> 01:28:35,080 So we go up to Tupac's room. 2028 01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:36,140 He changed clothes. 2029 01:28:36,180 --> 01:28:38,050 We come back downstairs. 2030 01:28:38,090 --> 01:28:39,200 We're all just standing around, 2031 01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:40,230 and all the women are coming out. 2032 01:28:41,030 --> 01:28:42,060 Everybody's ready to, you know, 2033 01:28:42,100 --> 01:28:46,070 go over to 662, the afterparty. 2034 01:28:46,110 --> 01:28:50,040 So Tupac turns to me and says, "No, don't ride with us." 2035 01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:51,160 He hands me the keys and says, 2036 01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:53,160 "You go drive the little homeys 2037 01:28:53,200 --> 01:28:55,050 "because we're going to the club. 2038 01:28:55,090 --> 01:28:57,100 We're gonna be partying, and you're gonna drive us." 2039 01:28:57,140 --> 01:28:58,170 So I said, "Okay." 2040 01:28:58,210 --> 01:29:01,050 Pac and Suge get into the BMW. 2041 01:29:01,090 --> 01:29:04,000 We get back onto the Las Vegas strip. 2042 01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:06,080 Suge's the lead car, I'm the car right behind him, 2043 01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:08,180 and then, there's just cars all behind us. 2044 01:29:08,220 --> 01:29:11,080 So we turn right off of Las Vegas Boulevard 2045 01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:15,040 onto Flamingo to go down to 662. 2046 01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:17,090 As we approached the next stoplight, 2047 01:29:17,130 --> 01:29:20,230 which is Koval and Flamingo, 2048 01:29:21,030 --> 01:29:24,140 there is a car coming down the open lane 2049 01:29:24,180 --> 01:29:28,110 that is next to myself and the BMW. 2050 01:29:28,150 --> 01:29:31,160 As the car is approaching, 2051 01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:34,100 I turn and I look to my right, 2052 01:29:34,140 --> 01:29:36,160 and I see the car, 2053 01:29:36,200 --> 01:29:38,030 and it's a white Cadillac. 2054 01:29:38,070 --> 01:29:40,060 It kind of had moved over, 2055 01:29:40,100 --> 01:29:43,100 and I would say, closer to the BMW, 2056 01:29:43,140 --> 01:29:47,160 probably about that close. 2057 01:29:47,200 --> 01:29:52,000 And an arm just comes out and just starts firing. 2058 01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:55,090 (gunshots) 2059 01:29:55,130 --> 01:29:57,150 (Suge Knight) I heard the shots being fired. 2060 01:29:57,190 --> 01:29:59,230 Pac stood up to try to get in the backseat 2061 01:30:00,030 --> 01:30:01,130 to get out the way of the shots. 2062 01:30:01,170 --> 01:30:02,140 That's how he got shot in his hip, 2063 01:30:02,180 --> 01:30:04,160 which hit one of the bones 2064 01:30:04,200 --> 01:30:07,030 and traveled to hit his lung. 2065 01:30:07,070 --> 01:30:08,200 I grabbed him and said, "Get down"... 2066 01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:10,160 and covered him. 2067 01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:13,170 When I pulled him down, that's when I got shot in my head. 2068 01:30:13,210 --> 01:30:15,070 I said, "Are you hit?" He said, "I'm hit." 2069 01:30:15,110 --> 01:30:18,020 So I'm driving like a madman to a hospital, 2070 01:30:18,060 --> 01:30:21,080 and the first thing he said, laughingly, jokingly, 2071 01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:23,200 loudly is, 2072 01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:25,070 "I need the hospital? 2073 01:30:25,110 --> 01:30:26,130 You the one shot in the head." 2074 01:30:26,170 --> 01:30:28,180 (siren) 2075 01:30:28,220 --> 01:30:31,040 (indistinct police radio) 2076 01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:33,020 Coming up next on the 10:00 news, his lyrics, 2077 01:30:33,060 --> 01:30:35,110 his life reflected a gangsta lifestyle. 2078 01:30:35,150 --> 01:30:37,120 Tonight, Bay Area rapper Tupac Shakur 2079 01:30:37,160 --> 01:30:39,020 is dead of gunshot wounds. 2080 01:30:39,060 --> 01:30:41,010 It's been all over the media, all over the news, 2081 01:30:41,050 --> 01:30:42,140 all over the radio. 2082 01:30:42,180 --> 01:30:43,160 (news anchor) Hundreds line the streets 2083 01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:45,060 outside a Nation of Islam school 2084 01:30:45,100 --> 01:30:48,090 to pay their respects to the slain rapper. 2085 01:30:48,130 --> 01:30:50,030 (Paul Palladino) The first things I started hearing were rumors 2086 01:30:50,070 --> 01:30:52,230 that Suge had had Tupac shot 2087 01:30:53,030 --> 01:30:55,130 because Tupac was thinking of leaving the industry. 2088 01:30:55,170 --> 01:30:57,210 And I started to laugh when I heard that, I said, 2089 01:30:58,010 --> 01:31:00,080 "You know, the problem with this is, 2090 01:31:00,120 --> 01:31:03,060 "is why would someone like Suge have the shooter 2091 01:31:03,100 --> 01:31:06,000 shoot across the car so that the bullets would hit him?" 2092 01:31:06,040 --> 01:31:08,030 There are so many different layers to the story, 2093 01:31:08,070 --> 01:31:09,050 and it's so tragic. 2094 01:31:09,090 --> 01:31:12,090 Tupac Shakur is one of those kids 2095 01:31:12,130 --> 01:31:16,190 who was really one of the great creative forces of our ages. 2096 01:31:16,230 --> 01:31:19,230 He wasn't just a rapper, he was a kid who was really insightful. 2097 01:31:20,030 --> 01:31:23,130 He said, "I didn't want to go to Vegas anyway." 2098 01:31:23,170 --> 01:31:24,230 He goes, "Almost didn't even come." 2099 01:31:25,030 --> 01:31:27,150 That day was gonna happen. 2100 01:31:27,190 --> 01:31:29,210 It was the destiny of his life. 2101 01:31:30,010 --> 01:31:32,150 He had the thought of not going, 2102 01:31:32,190 --> 01:31:34,060 but he went, because his destiny 2103 01:31:34,100 --> 01:31:36,100 was to die in it the next day. 2104 01:31:36,140 --> 01:31:39,020 And it's just a shame that... (scoffs) 2105 01:31:39,060 --> 01:31:43,100 another brother gets lost as a victim of this music. 2106 01:31:49,190 --> 01:31:53,030 If you had any street sense knowledge about yourself, 2107 01:31:53,070 --> 01:31:57,020 you knew that company was gonna come crashing down, face first. 2108 01:31:57,060 --> 01:32:00,100 People let the fame go to their heads, 2109 01:32:00,140 --> 01:32:03,000 and their egos took over, and... 2110 01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:04,180 the next thing you know, it was-- 2111 01:32:04,220 --> 01:32:06,230 It was nowhere to go but down. 2112 01:32:07,030 --> 01:32:08,220 Coming up, will the founder of one of rap music's 2113 01:32:09,020 --> 01:32:11,100 most successful record labels be doing time 2114 01:32:11,140 --> 01:32:13,120 for a probation violation? 2115 01:32:13,160 --> 01:32:17,140 (news anchor) Last year, he pled no contest to two counts of assault 2116 01:32:17,180 --> 01:32:19,060 stemming from a 1992 attack 2117 01:32:19,100 --> 01:32:22,180 on two aspiring rappers in a Hollywood recording studio. 2118 01:32:22,220 --> 01:32:25,200 This is a man who has eight different convictions. 2119 01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:27,110 And, Your Honor, I ask you, 2120 01:32:27,150 --> 01:32:29,170 how many bites at the probation apple 2121 01:32:29,210 --> 01:32:31,090 does this defendant get? 2122 01:32:31,130 --> 01:32:34,030 I think it is very clear that Mr. Knight, 2123 01:32:34,070 --> 01:32:37,210 um, delivers a kick with his right foot. 2124 01:32:38,010 --> 01:32:41,170 (Jewell) That man made a choice to ignore his conscience, 2125 01:32:41,210 --> 01:32:44,130 and it's only him that can reconcile that 2126 01:32:44,170 --> 01:32:45,190 and can change it-- we can't. 2127 01:32:45,230 --> 01:32:47,120 We can just move on, 2128 01:32:47,160 --> 01:32:50,050 give our contribution to the music industry, 2129 01:32:50,090 --> 01:32:53,230 and hope that nothing like this ever happens again. 2130 01:32:54,030 --> 01:32:56,090 (Judge) He was an active participant in this assault, 2131 01:32:56,130 --> 01:32:59,080 and I do find a violation of probation. 2132 01:32:59,120 --> 01:33:01,140 I also keep in mind I think the way 2133 01:33:01,180 --> 01:33:03,230 he left the scene evidenced a consciousness of guilt. 2134 01:33:04,030 --> 01:33:05,190 I think he had been involved in an assault, 2135 01:33:05,230 --> 01:33:06,230 and the way he left the scene 2136 01:33:07,030 --> 01:33:09,080 causes me to believe that he knew exactly what it was 2137 01:33:09,120 --> 01:33:11,020 he was doing and what he had been involved in. 2138 01:33:11,060 --> 01:33:13,210 Your prior record indicates one of violence. 2139 01:33:14,010 --> 01:33:15,120 Uh, you are a danger to the community. 2140 01:33:15,160 --> 01:33:18,090 Your prior performance on probation was not satisfactory. 2141 01:33:18,130 --> 01:33:21,040 You committed other crimes while you were on probation. 2142 01:33:21,080 --> 01:33:23,220 You're not a suitable candidate for probation, in other words, 2143 01:33:24,020 --> 01:33:26,060 and so therefore, probation is denied. 2144 01:33:26,100 --> 01:33:28,070 I don't think anybody here has any question 2145 01:33:28,110 --> 01:33:31,010 that if we were dealing with somebody other than Mr. Knight, 2146 01:33:31,050 --> 01:33:33,110 what we saw in that videotape, first of all, 2147 01:33:33,150 --> 01:33:35,130 would not be sufficient to constitute 2148 01:33:35,170 --> 01:33:37,040 a probation violation, 2149 01:33:37,080 --> 01:33:39,070 and secondly and most importantly, 2150 01:33:39,110 --> 01:33:41,000 even if somebody thought it was, 2151 01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:43,010 it's certainly not the kind of violation 2152 01:33:43,050 --> 01:33:47,010 or the kind of activity that warrants a nine-year-sentence. 2153 01:33:47,050 --> 01:33:49,020 How can Suge be in jail? 2154 01:33:49,060 --> 01:33:51,060 How can one of the most powerful people in the record business-- 2155 01:33:51,100 --> 01:33:54,040 not black people, one of the most powerful people 2156 01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:57,230 in the record business-- be in jail... 2157 01:33:58,030 --> 01:34:02,070 for something as silly as stopping a fight, 2158 01:34:02,110 --> 01:34:04,060 or even kicking somebody? 2159 01:34:04,100 --> 01:34:08,050 In my opinion, this is a miscarriage of justice. 2160 01:34:08,090 --> 01:34:10,110 You got this lawyer, this attorney, 2161 01:34:10,150 --> 01:34:12,210 this guy who is pretty brilliant. 2162 01:34:13,010 --> 01:34:14,190 So you know that this isn't a regular attorney. 2163 01:34:14,230 --> 01:34:16,140 He's got some pull somewhere 2164 01:34:16,180 --> 01:34:18,150 because he's got somebody from the DA's office 2165 01:34:18,190 --> 01:34:21,210 involved in this thing, and you're saying to yourself, 2166 01:34:22,010 --> 01:34:23,100 "If all these people are involved, 2167 01:34:23,140 --> 01:34:25,160 "all these powerful people, 2168 01:34:25,200 --> 01:34:29,080 what kind of situation did he set Suge up in?" 2169 01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:32,000 I mean, Dave Kenner was a big man in our business 2170 01:34:32,040 --> 01:34:35,000 on all levels, and you have to ask yourself, 2171 01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:36,160 "Did the money get to him? 2172 01:34:36,200 --> 01:34:39,050 Did the power get to him?" 2173 01:34:39,090 --> 01:34:40,210 You gotta ask yourself, "Is Suge thinking about this? 2174 01:34:41,010 --> 01:34:42,040 "Is he sitting in jail saying, 2175 01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:44,010 'Is this guy really on my side?'" 2176 01:34:44,050 --> 01:34:47,030 (George Pryce) Suge Knight was and is Death Row. 2177 01:34:47,070 --> 01:34:50,040 And for me, without Suge Knight, there is no Death Row. 2178 01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:54,060 If Suge has grasped all that has happened to him, 2179 01:34:54,100 --> 01:34:57,040 I think he could come out and, again, 2180 01:34:57,080 --> 01:34:59,170 start up Death Row Records and start a record company 2181 01:34:59,210 --> 01:35:02,110 that would be more viable than ever. 2182 01:35:02,150 --> 01:35:04,120 They will be legends no matter what happens, 2183 01:35:04,160 --> 01:35:06,160 but if they'd have been-- continued to go on, 2184 01:35:06,200 --> 01:35:08,200 no telling what kind of influence they may have had 2185 01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:10,220 on the inner city youth in America. 2186 01:35:11,020 --> 01:35:12,100 When you have guys that have the ears 2187 01:35:12,140 --> 01:35:14,000 of not only black America, 2188 01:35:14,040 --> 01:35:18,030 but white America also, you can call some shots. 2189 01:35:18,070 --> 01:35:20,200 Anybody can sell four million records, five million records, 2190 01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:23,010 anybody can sell out concerts around the world. 2191 01:35:23,050 --> 01:35:25,200 Whatever they put their name and faces on will sell. 2192 01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:28,210 Whatever they endorse will be backed up 100%. 2193 01:35:29,010 --> 01:35:30,150 (Jeffrey Jolson-Colburn) The Death Row Records story 2194 01:35:30,190 --> 01:35:33,030 told the tale of three major record labels, 2195 01:35:33,070 --> 01:35:34,220 almost brought one of them down, 2196 01:35:35,020 --> 01:35:36,190 rattled another to its core, 2197 01:35:36,230 --> 01:35:39,190 and set the framework for a whole new way 2198 01:35:39,230 --> 01:35:42,070 of doing business in the music business. 2199 01:35:42,110 --> 01:35:43,200 This was a story that wasn't just about 2200 01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:45,090 a bunch of guys from Compton, 2201 01:35:45,130 --> 01:35:47,180 it was a story that affected the whole music business 2202 01:35:47,220 --> 01:35:50,030 and, ultimately, the business world. 2203 01:35:50,070 --> 01:35:53,050 It's about empowerment. It's about greed. 2204 01:35:53,090 --> 01:35:55,000 It's about ego. It's about sex. 2205 01:35:55,040 --> 01:35:56,020 It's about violence. 2206 01:35:56,060 --> 01:35:57,060 It's about fame. 2207 01:35:57,100 --> 01:35:58,210 It's about failure. 2208 01:35:59,010 --> 01:36:01,060 I mean, you don't get any more American than that. 2209 01:36:01,100 --> 01:36:04,110 (Virgil Roberts) The legacy that Death Row Records has left 2210 01:36:04,150 --> 01:36:05,230 is both positive and negative. 2211 01:36:06,030 --> 01:36:09,080 I think the positive legacy is that if you have talent 2212 01:36:09,120 --> 01:36:10,230 and if you're prepared to work, 2213 01:36:11,030 --> 01:36:13,160 you can create a business, and it can be successful. 2214 01:36:13,200 --> 01:36:15,030 People always say, 2215 01:36:15,070 --> 01:36:16,050 "You remember how ol' Suge 2216 01:36:16,090 --> 01:36:17,110 started his company from nothing? 2217 01:36:17,150 --> 01:36:18,170 We can do that." 2218 01:36:18,210 --> 01:36:21,070 We're gonna hear this music forever. 2219 01:36:21,110 --> 01:36:24,210 It's gonna forever mark an era in American culture 2220 01:36:25,010 --> 01:36:26,110 and American history. 2221 01:36:26,150 --> 01:36:28,160 Now, the sad part about this whole thing 2222 01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:32,030 is that Jimmy Iovine and Ted Fields 2223 01:36:32,070 --> 01:36:36,000 sold Interscope for $400 million. 2224 01:36:36,040 --> 01:36:39,030 I still have the article in the "Wall Street Journal." 2225 01:36:39,070 --> 01:36:45,020 It says, "Warners ups its stake in rap music." 2226 01:36:45,060 --> 01:36:48,200 So what they were buying was Death Row. 2227 01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:52,220 They paid 400 million for it. 2228 01:36:53,020 --> 01:36:57,100 So Jimmy Iovine and Ted Fields got 400 million. 2229 01:36:57,140 --> 01:37:00,080 Tupac's dead, and Suge is in jail. 2230 01:37:00,120 --> 01:37:02,010 Who's in jail? 2231 01:37:02,050 --> 01:37:04,050 Mike Harris. 2232 01:37:04,090 --> 01:37:06,000 Suge Knight. 2233 01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:08,030 And-- and where's the money? 2234 01:37:10,050 --> 01:37:11,120 Who controls the money? 2235 01:37:13,180 --> 01:37:15,050 (laughing) What-- what happened 2236 01:37:15,090 --> 01:37:19,210 to the power that all these... black folks controlled? 2237 01:37:20,010 --> 01:37:24,060 (Sam Gideon Anson) Death Row is the named party in scores of lawsuits 2238 01:37:24,100 --> 01:37:27,080 over its financial management and mismanagement. 2239 01:37:27,120 --> 01:37:29,130 With the federal investigation, they're looking into 2240 01:37:29,170 --> 01:37:31,060 Suge's dealings in Las Vegas. 2241 01:37:31,100 --> 01:37:33,140 They're looking into his dealings with Michael Harris. 2242 01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:43,220 (Paul Palladino) Michael has an attempted murder charge over his head 2243 01:37:44,020 --> 01:37:45,140 and a drug case over his head. 2244 01:37:45,180 --> 01:37:48,030 If the government offered Michael an opportunity 2245 01:37:48,070 --> 01:37:50,230 to get out of jail to testify against David Kenner 2246 01:37:51,030 --> 01:37:54,050 or Suge Knight or Andre Young or someone else, 2247 01:37:54,090 --> 01:37:56,070 there's a good chance that Michael could take it. 2248 01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:08,000 (Doug Young) Suge, I would imagine, 2249 01:38:08,040 --> 01:38:12,090 in the minds of white corporate America record business, 2250 01:38:12,130 --> 01:38:14,160 had to be stopped. 2251 01:38:14,200 --> 01:38:16,180 He had to be stopped. 2252 01:38:16,220 --> 01:38:21,050 When we start taking the money that we make in the streets, 2253 01:38:21,090 --> 01:38:23,070 however we live-- it's hustling bottles, 2254 01:38:23,110 --> 01:38:25,190 selling bottle tops, selling a bag of weed on the corner-- 2255 01:38:25,230 --> 01:38:27,070 however we do it, 2256 01:38:27,110 --> 01:38:29,120 when we do it and we start to realize, "You know what... 2257 01:38:29,160 --> 01:38:31,210 let me find something legal to do," 2258 01:38:32,010 --> 01:38:33,110 that's when it becomes a problem. 2259 01:38:33,150 --> 01:38:35,040 They don't want us legal. 2260 01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:36,200 They'd rather we-- 'cause they feel like 2261 01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:38,060 if you selling dope, you ain't gonna 2262 01:38:38,100 --> 01:38:40,080 never really get rich, unless you the man 2263 01:38:40,120 --> 01:38:43,070 sitting next to the God damn man. 2264 01:38:43,110 --> 01:38:47,130 It'd be hard to dig up and find who started what 2265 01:38:47,170 --> 01:38:49,150 with what kind of legal money, 2266 01:38:49,190 --> 01:38:51,110 but they wouldn't want to do that. 2267 01:38:51,150 --> 01:38:55,090 If they were to take Death Row right now from Suge Knight, 2268 01:38:55,130 --> 01:38:57,150 what about Atlantic Group? 2269 01:38:57,190 --> 01:38:59,060 What about Interscope Records? 2270 01:38:59,100 --> 01:39:02,190 They made more money than Death Row did off of Death Row. 2271 01:39:02,230 --> 01:39:04,230 If Death Row was founded by drug money, 2272 01:39:05,030 --> 01:39:07,050 and Death Row made money, Interscope made money, 2273 01:39:07,090 --> 01:39:08,090 Atlantic Group made money, 2274 01:39:08,130 --> 01:39:10,010 you take everybody's record company. 2275 01:39:10,050 --> 01:39:11,210 You don't take just the black man's. 174596

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