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♪♪ (Italian opera music)
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(gunshots)
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Rhythm Mic Live--
we're on location tonight
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in the NWA Ruthless Studios
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here to talk
to NWA and Eazy-E,
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probably the most controversial
rap group in Los Angeles.
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(Alonzo Williams)
At that time,
all the rappers
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were claiming their hometowns--
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South Bronx, you know,
wherever they may be,
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New York, Queens,
whatever the case may be.
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We were from Compton.
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Coming up
in the ghetto, period,
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builds character to me,
you know what I'm saying?
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It definitely can
build character
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if you use it
in a positive way.
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When we seen, you know,
regular homeys
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from the neighborhood
that was just putting down
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real street raps, you know,
it made us
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feel like
we could do it.
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(Dan O'Dowd)
Something really special
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was coming out
of that neighborhood.
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It was a fresh, really volatile
time in music.
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I liken it to Elvis Presley
when rock and roll started,
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to when The Beatles came.
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It was something really special
coming out of there.
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After a while,
Michael Jackson didn't work.
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People didn't believe
the hype.
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We didn't care,
we didn't care.
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If they didn't feel it
with all of that
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trying-to-be-shy nonsense--
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people weren't checking
for that no more.
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Rap made it gritty.
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I think we successful because
we telling it like it is.
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And, you know,
that's what people want to hear
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because they sick of hearing
about fairy tales
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and stuff like that.
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NWA to me was like, uh, anti--
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against-- anti-establishment.
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They was bringing, you know,
South Central
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to the forefront
in what was happening,
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and, you know, drugs,
and the whole shot.
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I mean, they was hitting
another element of society
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that nobody else
had touched on.
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They talked
about being gangsters.
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"Gangsta Gangsta"
was a big hit.
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"Fuck Tha Police" was a big hit.
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It's not what you know--
it's what you can prove.
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When I went
and got NWA albums,
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I bought 'em as a fan.
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You just see
an all-star cast of people--
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of Eazy being the mastermind,
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of Cube
being the rhyme writer,
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Dre laying down the tracks,
the producer.
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And then you had Ren,
who played a supporting cast,
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and that just made up one of
the great groups of hip-hop.
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We don't tell you
what to do,
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and we don't
tell you what not to do.
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You got your own freedom
of choice.
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(Matt McDaniel)
Eazy represented, you know,
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the hardcore little gangster
on the corner.
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Don't try to hold us back
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because this record
has cursing on it
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or it said something,
or you're talking
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about raping
somebody and everything.
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People were selling cocaine,
making a lot of money,
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and he was the first
person that actually came out,
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and admitted it, and boasted
about it on a record.
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It's some bullshit.
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(laughter)
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Eazy-E turned out
to have some business savvy.
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(Alonzo Williams)
Eazy was a local
crack slinger, okay?
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It made him some money,
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and because I was
one of the few guys
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he knew who had a studio,
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he wanted to get with me
and get in the studio.
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He was not intending to be
a rapper.
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He was gonna be a financier.
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Dre was producing for Alonzo
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of Cru Cut Records
and the Wreckin' Cru.
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Dre started getting in trouble.
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He was going to jail for
warrants on a regular basis.
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I'm digging in my pocket
to get him out, okay?
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So I got to the point
where I got tired of it.
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And Lonzo didn't get him
out of jail.
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Eazy got him out of jail.
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When Eric got him
out of jail,
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they cut a deal
that Dre would do some tracks
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for Eric in my studio.
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And then, they hooked up
and was boys ever since then.
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(Eazy-E)
You put the dot
on your target.
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Then, you blow the shit
out the motherfucker.
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No joke.
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Eazy knew it was like
a joke to him, okay?
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It was like--
(laughing)
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But he got so far into it,
it was like, "Okay, I am this."
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I'm walking through
to cross the mall.
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I look up in the HQ,
which is a sporting goods store
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and a gun store, and these guys
are buying automatic--
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semiautomatic weapons
to go on tour with.
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I'm, like, "Shit!"
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What kind of tour
you guys going on?
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Vietnam, or what?
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They were selling out
of the back of cars,
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and they were making money,
and they were going to the top
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one way or the other.
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(man)
We used to ride around
in Eazy's Jeep all day
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and sell records to the--
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what they call swap meets
out here.
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I used to make
people buy records.
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(reporter)
How'd you make 'em buy 'em?
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With a gun.
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Eazy paid Lonzo to introduce him
to Jerry Heller.
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(Jeffrey Jolson-Colburn)
Jerry Heller was basically
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Dr. Dre and Eric Wright's
manager and label head.
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(man)
Ruthless started from Eazy-E.
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Eazy-E knew that Dre
was a dope producer.
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He did the "Straight Outta
Compton" album.
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He did "Eazy-Duz-It."
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he did Michel'le's album,
he did The D.O.C.'s album.
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Dr. Dre was one
of these guys
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that could take
this raw street sound
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and turn it into the kind
of magic
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that would hit
to a wide audience of kids.
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They had a message
that clearly was heard
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and felt by young people.
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All over the country, they had
pockets of young brothers
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who sold dope
and had to carry 9mm pistols,
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who had a wad of money
that could relate.
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(Jeffrey Jolson-Colburn)
Every kid wants something
that's sort of forbidden.
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Certainly, this kind
of imagery was.
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In fact,
they couldn't even hear it
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on their regular
radio stations.
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(Jay King)
They sold over
a million albums.
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And we have to understand
that, with rap music,
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past 500,000, 600,000 albums,
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you go outside
the black community.
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You had little
white kids out there
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that was, you know,
grew up in Pop's Country Club,
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and they
wasn't having it.
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They wanted to hear NWA.
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(Joe Isgro)
It became clear
that there weren't just
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10,000 kids listening to this.
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There was hundreds
of thousands in each city.
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People sat back
and seen an album
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that sold a million units
that was never played on radio.
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And-- and I had to question--
how does this happen?
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How did this happen?
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What-- what
went on here?
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Now, when it starts
making real money
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and it starts looking like some
success is gonna come about,
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that's when the shit starts.
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Eazy and Jerry wasn't paying
Dr. Dre enough money.
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At that time,
I was owed money,
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but they wasn't paying it,
you know what I'm saying?
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I think they were trying
to starve me-- starve me out.
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As hard as you work
for your money,
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there's at least two
or three people out there
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working just as hard
to get it from you.
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I was there
when Dre told me
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he would sell his soul to
the devil for a million bucks.
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And I swear right now--
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devil gotta have a receipt
for his ass.
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(Matt McDaniel)
Suge Knight was always around.
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He was around in the days
of NWA.
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I just-- I never
noticed who he was.
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(man)
Suge was just a big kid,
you know?
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He was really,
at that time, totally nobody.
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(Kevin Powell)
Suge Knight was a bodyguard,
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bodyguarding Bobby Brown.
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Being a bodyguard is probably
one of the best music schools--
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music industry schools
that you could go to
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because you're gonna learn
everything about the business.
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I was out there looking
and learning, you know?
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And I seen
different people complain.
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I seen artists.
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I seen people
trying to be artists.
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I seen people talk
about songs.
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And I'm just listening--
I'm hearing it all.
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(Dr. Dre)
He was an aggressive person
that cleared the way
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for me to go in
and do what I had to do,
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you know,
by any means necessary.
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Suge was a leader--
he was a winner.
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He was smart.
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He kind of reminds me
of a hip-hop Dick Griffey.
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(Virgil Roberts)
In the 1980s,
Solar was probably
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the most successful black-owned
record label in America.
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Dick Griffey, who was
the founder of the company,
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was one of those men,
he had the rare ability,
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I think,
to identify talent in people.
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What I'm interested in is--
is really teaching young people
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how to be in business
for themselves.
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(Virgil Roberts)
Suge first came to see Dick
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because he was managing
a young guy
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named Mario Johnson,
p.k.a. Chocolate,
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who had written
a number of songs
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on a Vanilla Ice album.
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(Mario Johnson)
I did all of his songs at
his kitchen table at his house.
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Me and Quake
would do tracks,
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and I would go to his house
and write,
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give him songs,
and he would learn 'em.
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(Virgil Roberts)
He had gotten some credit
on the album,
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but they hadn't paid him
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and wouldn't
return his phone calls.
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I couldn't get in contact
with him,
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but the record wasn't doing
anything at that time.
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And then,
when the video hit BET
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is when the record
started taking off.
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(Suge Knight)
The thing happened so fast,
it blew up so quick,
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the first thing
they wanted to do
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is tell me, "Look, we'll
give you a couple dollars.
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You know, let bygones
be bygones."
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I was, like--
I wouldn't go for it.
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Suge came to me
at the Palm Restaurant first
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and just sat down,
and said, "Hello."
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He was kind of nice,
you know?
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It kind of scared us 'cause
he was really intimidating.
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You know, he had, like,
six or seven guys with him
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that looked like
a football team.
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We already knew
where he was staying
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because I was supposed to be
hearing some tracks
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that he was doing,
but for some reason,
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they wanted me to just
come by myself.
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You know what I'm saying?
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And Suge was like,
"Why they just want you
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"to go by yourself?
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"They already tried to beat you
out of money.
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They done beat you out
of songs-- I'm going with you."
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They whole attitude
probably was, "Look,
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"we was gonna go in there
and tell him,
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"'We gonna do it like this,
and give him a check,'
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and he gonna shut up."
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I had a different program
when we met.
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One day, I went
into my hotel room,
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and he was in there,
and he's with several people.
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And then, he--
then he let me know
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what he wanted,
and he wanted
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to get some points off
the record "Ice Ice Baby."
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I'm, like, "Look, you can't
give me nothing.
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"It's what
I'm gonna give you
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"because you then get the rights
to put it out there
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"'cause I haven't got paid,
and my client hasn't got paid.
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I remember watching
"Primetime Live,"
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the interview
with Vanilla Ice.
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(Vanilla Ice)
Suge took me out
on the balcony,
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started talking
to me personally.
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He had me look over
the edge,
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show me how high
I was up there.
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(reporter)
Were you scared?
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(Vanilla Ice laughs)
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I needed to wear a diaper
on that day.
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He didn't, first of all,
hang me off from any balcony
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or any of this stuff, okay?
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The story's been kind of
blown out of proportion.
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And I want to clarify
right now
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that Suge and I
have no bad feelings
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or anything towards each other.
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We had to sue
EMI and Winkle
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to recover that money.
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And it was more than a year
in the settlement
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of that lawsuit
that Chocolate finally got paid.
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It doesn't mean he didn't get
hung over the balcony,
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but if he did,
it didn't make him go pay.
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You can look at it like--
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like I was an investor
in Death Row Records
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with no return on my money.
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(Virgil Roberts)
Suge said, "Well, you know,
I got some other clients
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"who also have written
songs and produced records,
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and they haven't been
paid either."
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He shows up on my doorstep
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with these two guys
called D.O.C. and Dre.
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D.O.C. was
the storyteller.
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The D.O.C. was the guy
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that came up
with those great stories.
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He was probably the single most
influential person
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in gangsta rap.
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Dre basically
made Ruthless Records.
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I mean, you know,
he did the music.
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He probably the one who,
you know,
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knew how to work
with the artists.
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And it supposed to been him
and Eazy's company together.
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Then, when Eazy met Jerry,
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Jerry came in,
and X'd Dre out,
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and said, "You know, Eric,
I'll give you
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"a little bit
more money.
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We'll just use Dre
basically as a slave."
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They had the worst contracts
I had ever seen
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in the history
of the record business.
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The contracts that Ruthless
and Jerry Heller
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had with NWA and Dre--
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I guess
if I said "draconian,"
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that would be
a kind word.
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(Virgil Roberts)
In the process of having
a number of conversations
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with D.O.C. and Dre,
the question came up
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about how can we be assured
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that we're gonna get paid
in the future?
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Dick said, "Look, Dre,
if you can make records
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"the way you make records,
I'll show you
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"how to start a company.
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"You won't have to worry
about people paying you.
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You will have a company
that you own and control."
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I suggested that,
"Why don't you guys
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"go and talk to Eazy
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"and see if you can
make a deal
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"where Dre continues
to produce Eazy for Ruthless,
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he continues to produce NWA
and the other acts."
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I was consulting for Ruthless
for Eazy-E,
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working through Jerry Heller.
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One day, Dre came in with Suge
to my office in Hollywood
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and simply said
they had left Ruthless,
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were starting their own company
called Death Row Records.
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It didn't go down
the way it was supposed to.
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And so, Eazy had
to be persuaded
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to make some moves
to make things happen.
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(Jeffrey Jolson-Colburn)
According to court papers,
Suge and friends
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basically came in
and told Eric and Jerry Heller
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Dre was leaving,
and they couldn't stop them,
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and that this was
not just legal.
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It was physical,
it was personal.
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The stories
that Eric, E, told
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was that they came in with
baseball bats, threatened guns.
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And they threatened his life
and told him
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that they would kill his mother,
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and that they were
holding me hostage.
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Under those kinds of duress,
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got him to sign releases
for Dr. Dre.
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I wasn't there.
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I wasn't in the room.
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But when Eazy-E said
in the papers
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that me and the chairman
of Sony, Tommy Mattola,
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was in the room
with bats and pipes,
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he's obviously a liar.
334
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There's no question
that we have
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substantial documentary evidence
of a conspiracy here.
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(Jeffrey Jolson-Colburn)
Eric Wright, Eazy-E, filed
a RICO lawsuit against them.
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It was the first time RICO
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had been used
in the music business.
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RICO is a racketeering law,
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so it's the thing that they use
to get the Mafia
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when they can't get the Mafia
leaders on anything else.
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Eazy-E's lawsuit contended
that there was money laundering,
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extortion, threats,
and violent intimidation.
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Not only was it charged against
Suge and Death Row
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for stealing what was
their top producer, Dr. Dre,
346
00:14:42,130 --> 00:14:45,030
it was charged against
Sony Music.
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From day one,
this label was born
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amidst a controversy
that involved violence.
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The initial understanding
was that D.O.C. and Dre
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and Dick and Suge would
be partners of this company.
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Each one of the artists that
started this at the beginning,
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I got a lot of love for,
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and they always will be
a part of the family
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on the strength
that they took that chance.
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It's not like they just--
we had a name out there.
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It's not like we had
a lot of money to give 'em.
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They money I gave ''em
came out of my pocket.
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Back then, Suge was, like,
very behind the scenes,
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and helpful,
and quiet, humble, non-visible.
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He didn't like cameras.
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He was invisible,
the invisible man.
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(Dr. Dre)
His role was to handle
the day-to-day business
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dealing with the artists,
dealing with distributors,
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00:15:37,010 --> 00:15:38,170
and record companies,
and what have you.
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My job was to go in here,
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and push these buttons,
and make the records happen.
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(man)
Everybody was following Dre
368
00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:48,130
because people knew
that Dre was the man.
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Like, everything that he touched
370
00:15:50,070 --> 00:15:53,030
was, like, you know,
gold, or platinum, or better.
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00:15:53,070 --> 00:15:55,020
That's who everyone wanted
to work with then.
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He was actually the most
bankable person at that time
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pretty much in the industry,
from the R&B-rap standpoint.
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00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:04,100
Everybody was taking direction
from Dre
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00:16:04,140 --> 00:16:05,190
as for as he knows
what he's doing.
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00:16:05,230 --> 00:16:08,070
He just finished
doing NWA albums
377
00:16:08,110 --> 00:16:10,020
that's double
and triple platinum,
378
00:16:10,060 --> 00:16:13,070
so you have to have confidence
in what you've seen.
379
00:16:13,110 --> 00:16:15,050
You've watched
this man make money.
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00:16:15,090 --> 00:16:16,160
Warren G was my best friend,
381
00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,070
and Nate Dogg
was my best friend,
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00:16:18,110 --> 00:16:19,230
so we formulated 213.
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00:16:20,030 --> 00:16:23,150
And Warren G was the DJ,
I was the rapper,
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00:16:23,190 --> 00:16:25,000
Nate Dogg
would sing the hooks.
385
00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:26,130
We didn't have drum machines
back then.
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00:16:26,170 --> 00:16:30,000
All we had was records, and
turntables, and a microphone.
387
00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,030
Warren G called me on
the three-way with, like,
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00:16:32,070 --> 00:16:34,020
"Snoop, I got Dre on
the phone, cuz.
389
00:16:34,060 --> 00:16:37,020
"He like the tape,
he wanna work with us, cuz.
390
00:16:37,060 --> 00:16:39,230
"He wanna work--"
I was like, "Nigga, stop lying."
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00:16:40,030 --> 00:16:42,010
And he said, "Hello?"
I said, "Who this?"
392
00:16:42,050 --> 00:16:43,190
He said, "It's Dre."
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00:16:43,230 --> 00:16:45,010
He said, "Man, that shit
was dope, man.
394
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I wanna get with you,
come to the studio Monday."
395
00:16:47,100 --> 00:16:48,150
(Nate Dogg)
At that time, it was a dream
396
00:16:48,190 --> 00:16:50,230
just to be in the same room
with Dr. Dre, you know?
397
00:16:51,030 --> 00:16:54,050
Dr. Dre wants us to come
to the studio where he is.
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00:16:54,090 --> 00:16:56,180
I'd have jogged up there
if I didn't have a car.
399
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(Snoop Dogg)
I wanted to appreciate
the game
400
00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,120
and accept everything
that was offered to me,
401
00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,030
and learn, and just be
a student at the time.
402
00:17:03,070 --> 00:17:06,000
They were housed
in my building,
403
00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,010
so they didn't
have a lot of expenses.
404
00:17:08,050 --> 00:17:10,100
You have to understand that
the greatest expense
405
00:17:10,140 --> 00:17:13,230
in making a record
is the studio time.
406
00:17:14,030 --> 00:17:15,090
I didn't have
a lot of knowledge
407
00:17:15,130 --> 00:17:17,200
about the rap
or hip-hop scenario,
408
00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:22,090
so I kinda let them do
their own thing.
409
00:17:22,130 --> 00:17:24,160
(Snoop Dogg)
Some nights we used
to stay up there all night,
410
00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,140
didn't leave till, like, 5:00,
6:00 in the morning.
411
00:17:26,180 --> 00:17:27,230
I mean, it had
a special vibe up there.
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00:17:28,030 --> 00:17:29,130
You just wanted
to be there.
413
00:17:29,170 --> 00:17:31,050
Even if you wasn't
working on a song,
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00:17:31,090 --> 00:17:33,100
you just wanted to be there
because it had that atmosphere.
415
00:17:33,140 --> 00:17:34,180
It just was the spot
to be at.
416
00:17:34,220 --> 00:17:36,030
It was right
in the middle of Hollywood.
417
00:17:36,070 --> 00:17:38,100
And, you know, it was just
the place to be for us.
418
00:17:38,140 --> 00:17:40,200
And we was young,
and we never really had been
419
00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:42,010
out of the neighborhood,
and, you know,
420
00:17:42,050 --> 00:17:45,230
we was getting a chance
to see it all in bright lights.
421
00:17:46,030 --> 00:17:50,190
And this was the same studio
that Shalamar, Lakeside,
422
00:17:50,230 --> 00:17:53,090
The Whispers, Babyface,
The Deele--
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00:17:53,130 --> 00:17:56,020
all of them recorded all their
albums in the same studios.
424
00:18:01,210 --> 00:18:04,080
(Virgil Roberts)
On a business level
and on a day-to-day basis,
425
00:18:04,120 --> 00:18:06,100
it was merely existing.
426
00:18:06,140 --> 00:18:09,230
It seemed like they were trying
to find somebody
427
00:18:10,030 --> 00:18:13,010
to put some money into it
or somebody to help them out.
428
00:18:13,050 --> 00:18:15,000
(Snoop Dogg)
Money was hard
to come by back then
429
00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:18,040
because there wasn't no
structure, there was no label.
430
00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,010
And Suge Knight did
all he could do at the time
431
00:18:20,050 --> 00:18:21,130
as far as, you know,
going in his pocket,
432
00:18:21,170 --> 00:18:23,230
his bank account
to get us money.
433
00:18:24,030 --> 00:18:25,080
Dre didn't really have
no money.
434
00:18:25,120 --> 00:18:26,150
He was leaving NWA.
435
00:18:36,180 --> 00:18:42,000
♪♪ (tense music)
436
00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:47,190
Dick had made a deal
with Suge, D.O.C., and Dre
437
00:18:47,230 --> 00:18:50,160
to sell him a recording studio
that he owned.
438
00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,180
That was gonna be
something that they would own
439
00:18:52,220 --> 00:18:55,160
separate from
the Death Row label
440
00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,170
because they wanted to have
something that they owned.
441
00:18:57,210 --> 00:19:00,190
Suge came along and said
he had found somebody
442
00:19:00,230 --> 00:19:03,190
to help them finance
the purchase of the studio.
443
00:19:03,230 --> 00:19:05,160
It's always been a subject
of speculation
444
00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,020
where they got
their original funding,
445
00:19:07,060 --> 00:19:10,020
and the FBI is continuing
to look into this.
446
00:19:10,060 --> 00:19:12,040
There are so many things
you hear about this situation.
447
00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:13,130
I tell you this.
448
00:19:13,170 --> 00:19:17,110
Mike Harris was firmly planted
in the middle of it.
449
00:19:17,150 --> 00:19:19,210
Well, on the news, they used
to call Mike "The Godfather."
450
00:19:20,010 --> 00:19:21,100
Tonight, the story
of a man
451
00:19:21,140 --> 00:19:23,120
who tried
to murder his best friend
452
00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:24,220
at the same time
he was attempting
453
00:19:25,020 --> 00:19:27,140
to win his way
into Beverly Hills acceptance.
454
00:19:27,180 --> 00:19:31,010
This is Michael Harris, a man
drug agents describe
455
00:19:31,050 --> 00:19:33,140
as a major cocaine trafficker.
456
00:19:33,180 --> 00:19:35,190
At the young age of 26,
457
00:19:35,230 --> 00:19:39,010
he had already made
millions of dollars.
458
00:19:39,050 --> 00:19:40,150
These are his roots,
459
00:19:40,190 --> 00:19:43,000
the streets
of South Central Los Angeles,
460
00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,210
where he started pushing dope
on street corners
461
00:19:46,010 --> 00:19:49,140
and hung with a Blood street
gang called The Bounty Hunters.
462
00:19:49,180 --> 00:19:53,080
In the drug world,
he is known as "Harry O."
463
00:19:53,120 --> 00:19:55,180
(Jay King)
Mike Harris was a known entity
in our community.
464
00:19:55,220 --> 00:19:57,170
You know, he was
this guy bigger than life
465
00:19:57,210 --> 00:20:01,050
because Mike Harris was in jail
doing things.
466
00:20:01,090 --> 00:20:05,130
Prior to his incarceration,
he was very visible.
467
00:20:05,170 --> 00:20:09,100
He had started doing numerous
things in the community.
468
00:20:09,140 --> 00:20:12,030
(news anchor)
Harris built an organization
that distributed cocaine
469
00:20:12,070 --> 00:20:16,100
in California, Arizona,
Texas, Michigan, Illinois, Iowa,
470
00:20:16,140 --> 00:20:20,050
Indiana, Missouri, Louisiana,
Florida, and New York.
471
00:20:20,090 --> 00:20:23,120
Investigators say
he dealt so much cocaine,
472
00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,210
major Columbian drug kingpins
like Mario Villabona
473
00:20:27,010 --> 00:20:29,220
were obliged to deal
directly with Harris.
474
00:20:30,020 --> 00:20:32,020
But like a mob godfather,
Harris sought
475
00:20:32,060 --> 00:20:34,080
to legitimize
his illicit fortune
476
00:20:34,120 --> 00:20:36,180
and gain Beverly Hills
respectability.
477
00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:58,140
Mike Harris had a wonderful
background in entertainment.
478
00:20:58,180 --> 00:21:01,060
I think he was
the first African-American ever
479
00:21:01,100 --> 00:21:03,220
to produce a Broadway show
that was a smash,
480
00:21:04,020 --> 00:21:06,210
and it gave
Denzel Washington his start.
481
00:21:07,010 --> 00:21:08,120
"Checkmates" was the name
of the play.
482
00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:12,010
The play opened on Broadway.
483
00:21:12,050 --> 00:21:15,210
Many of us African-Americans
have been on Broadway,
484
00:21:16,010 --> 00:21:18,180
on the screen,
out front singing and dancing,
485
00:21:18,220 --> 00:21:22,180
but very few of us have been
there as producers.
486
00:21:22,220 --> 00:21:24,200
I thought he was an entrepreneur
in New York.
487
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,040
Had no idea
that he was in jail.
488
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,090
The first time I met Michael,
it was a drug case
489
00:21:29,130 --> 00:21:31,180
involving Bo Bennett
and Mario Villabona.
490
00:21:31,220 --> 00:21:33,210
That trial went and resulted
in a number of convictions
491
00:21:34,010 --> 00:21:35,230
that went to trial
in a federal court.
492
00:21:36,030 --> 00:21:37,160
And after that case,
Michael, I believe,
493
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,230
contacted David Kenner
to have him
494
00:21:40,030 --> 00:21:42,020
represent him on his appeal.
495
00:21:42,060 --> 00:21:45,080
(Sam Gideon Anson)
David Kenner was a longtime
Los Angeles criminal attorney.
496
00:21:45,120 --> 00:21:48,070
By the late '80s, he had become
part of a fraternity
497
00:21:48,110 --> 00:21:51,170
of top flight attorneys that
handled a lot of federal cases,
498
00:21:51,210 --> 00:21:53,110
a lot of big
drug cases downtown.
499
00:21:53,150 --> 00:21:55,080
In the course of
his legal work,
500
00:21:55,120 --> 00:21:57,030
he became
Michael Harris's attorney.
501
00:21:57,070 --> 00:21:59,140
I think if you look at clients
of his over time,
502
00:21:59,180 --> 00:22:03,000
David has a habit of getting
very close to his clients,
503
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,200
and getting very
involved in his clients' lives,
504
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,020
perhaps more so than would be
wise for a lawyer.
505
00:22:09,060 --> 00:22:12,080
David just, you know,
fell in love with Michael,
506
00:22:12,120 --> 00:22:13,220
and they became friends.
507
00:22:14,020 --> 00:22:16,070
He was, you know--
he was a friend to us, you know?
508
00:22:16,110 --> 00:22:17,200
I looked at him
like family.
509
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:19,170
I was out in LA by myself,
510
00:22:19,210 --> 00:22:21,210
and he, like,
you know, took me in.
511
00:22:22,010 --> 00:22:24,040
You know, him and his family,
we'd go out to eat.
512
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,140
I mean, we would,
like, do everything together.
513
00:22:27,180 --> 00:22:29,180
(Sam Gideon Anson)
He became someone
who was a confidant,
514
00:22:29,220 --> 00:22:31,000
a friend
of Michael Harris's,
515
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,100
and also involved in business
with Michael Harris.
516
00:22:34,140 --> 00:22:36,220
(Virgil Roberts)
I think that he's a lawyer
who had a lot of money,
517
00:22:37,020 --> 00:22:38,220
and he represented people
who had a lot of money.
518
00:22:39,020 --> 00:22:41,120
And it would
not be unusual to me
519
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,060
for somebody who represented
people with money to say,
520
00:22:44,100 --> 00:22:45,010
"I want to invest."
521
00:22:58,030 --> 00:23:01,000
Everybody wants to be
in the music business.
522
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,070
In the years that I worked,
I've gotten tapes and offers
523
00:23:04,110 --> 00:23:08,030
from everyone,
from politicians, you know,
524
00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:11,050
to businessmen who want to be
in the entertainment business.
525
00:23:23,170 --> 00:23:24,180
They started talking.
526
00:23:24,220 --> 00:23:26,020
You know, Mike said,
"You got Dr. Dre."
527
00:23:26,060 --> 00:23:28,050
And Suge said,
"Yeah, you know, he a producer."
528
00:23:38,150 --> 00:23:39,190
Mike said, "Well,
we need to meet."
529
00:23:39,230 --> 00:23:41,130
And Suge said,
"Well, I got a couple of cases.
530
00:23:41,170 --> 00:23:43,200
You know, I can't get in
to visit you."
531
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,050
So Mike said,
"No, I got this attorney.
532
00:23:46,090 --> 00:23:48,010
He's bad, he can get you
in here."
533
00:23:48,050 --> 00:23:50,150
(Sam Gideon Anson)
David Kenner brought Suge Knight
534
00:23:50,190 --> 00:23:53,150
to see Michael at Metropolitan
Detention Center
535
00:23:53,190 --> 00:23:54,140
in Downtown Los Angeles.
536
00:24:05,150 --> 00:24:08,040
They set down
their basic business plan
537
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,190
that they would start a company
called Godfather Entertainment,
538
00:24:10,230 --> 00:24:13,170
and one division of it
would be Death Row Records.
539
00:24:38,190 --> 00:24:42,120
One day,
I see these two people
540
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,130
walk in the building
who I'd never seen before.
541
00:24:44,170 --> 00:24:46,150
And one was David Kenner,
542
00:24:46,190 --> 00:24:48,050
and the other
was Lydia Harris.
543
00:24:48,090 --> 00:24:51,020
In the summer of 1991,
Kenner started coming around.
544
00:24:51,060 --> 00:24:52,210
There was a lot of buzz
about this company,
545
00:24:53,010 --> 00:24:56,080
a lot of expectations that it
could be a successful company.
546
00:24:56,120 --> 00:24:59,000
And David was one of the people
around at the time
547
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:00,230
making a play
to be Suge's partner,
548
00:25:01,030 --> 00:25:02,150
and to take care of business
for Suge,
549
00:25:02,190 --> 00:25:04,020
to handle business for Suge.
550
00:25:04,060 --> 00:25:07,130
A couple days after Mrs. Harris
and David Kenner came in,
551
00:25:07,170 --> 00:25:09,160
things actually
changed drastically.
552
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,190
Immediately, the studio
gets carpeted.
553
00:25:11,230 --> 00:25:13,210
Things are getting fixed.
554
00:25:14,010 --> 00:25:15,210
I'm starting getting presented
with money
555
00:25:16,010 --> 00:25:18,230
to find apartments
for the artists that hadn't--
556
00:25:19,030 --> 00:25:20,220
that didn't have any apartments,
didn't have any money.
557
00:25:21,020 --> 00:25:22,230
I'm also given
an allowance for them.
558
00:25:23,030 --> 00:25:26,140
I saw a few little upgrades
in the studio,
559
00:25:26,180 --> 00:25:29,230
some chairs, some speakers.
560
00:25:30,030 --> 00:25:32,040
And I was also told
we'll be getting collect calls,
561
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:33,200
and to accept them,
and to find Suge,
562
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,040
where he was,
and connect them.
563
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,000
We were assigned by them
to may-- build an awareness
564
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,040
for Godfather Entertainment,
and to kick off
565
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,040
their first vehicle,
which is Death Row Records,
566
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:45,160
to the industry.
567
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,060
Norman Winter,
in his infinite wisdom, said,
568
00:25:48,100 --> 00:25:52,030
"Let's take the boys
into Beverly Hills.
569
00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:54,120
Let's stick it
in everybody's face."
570
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,180
So off to Chasen's.
571
00:25:56,220 --> 00:26:00,080
Let me see you put your hands
together and say, "Oh, yeah!"
572
00:26:00,120 --> 00:26:01,170
(all)
Oh, yeah!
573
00:26:01,210 --> 00:26:04,230
(emcee)
Let me see somebody give
Dre, Suge, D.O.C.
574
00:26:05,030 --> 00:26:06,060
a round of applause.
575
00:26:06,100 --> 00:26:08,040
Death Row Records
is gonna be
576
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,140
the record company
of the 2000s.
577
00:26:10,180 --> 00:26:11,140
We were thinking about
putting in
578
00:26:11,180 --> 00:26:13,150
metal detectors
at the entrance.
579
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:17,060
Everyone gets served with
subpoenas as an invitation.
580
00:26:17,100 --> 00:26:19,150
"You are hereby ordered
to appear
581
00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:21,180
"before the honorable Dr. Dre
582
00:26:21,220 --> 00:26:24,040
"and the offices
of GF Entertainment
583
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,160
"as a guest of the court
to witness the springing--
584
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,190
springing of
Death Row Records."
585
00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:30,050
Put your hands together!
586
00:26:30,090 --> 00:26:32,080
Come on, y'all,
make some noise.
587
00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:37,020
We invited virtually every
major record company executive
588
00:26:37,060 --> 00:26:39,070
in Los Angeles
and New York.
589
00:26:39,110 --> 00:26:41,210
And it was so big,
that we originally planned
590
00:26:42,010 --> 00:26:45,110
on spending around
20,000, 25,000.
591
00:26:45,150 --> 00:26:47,140
I tell you, it turned out
to be 35,000 or 50,000.
592
00:26:47,180 --> 00:26:49,130
They had enough money
at that time behind 'em,
593
00:26:49,170 --> 00:26:51,000
and they looked good.
594
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,040
For somebody
that comes out of nowhere
595
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,000
to have a party at Chasen's
on Grammy night,
596
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,010
which is reserved generally
for all the white people.
597
00:26:59,050 --> 00:27:02,010
It's also a place
that would never be associated
598
00:27:02,050 --> 00:27:03,130
with rap music
in any way
599
00:27:03,170 --> 00:27:06,100
unless it was something
co-sponsored by a white group.
600
00:27:06,140 --> 00:27:09,120
The market we're going after,
we're mainly for the people.
601
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,000
I mean, for us,
the West Coast
602
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,090
there's a lot
of talent around that guys,
603
00:27:13,130 --> 00:27:14,130
we don't have the opportunity
604
00:27:14,170 --> 00:27:17,000
to have a chance
to prove themselves.
605
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,220
So as far as GF Entertainment
goes with the studio
606
00:27:20,020 --> 00:27:22,030
and the films,
we giving all the youngsters
607
00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:25,130
the opportunities from all
the neighborhoods where--
608
00:27:25,170 --> 00:27:27,100
basically, we haven't forgot
where we came from.
609
00:27:27,140 --> 00:27:30,220
I personally interviewed all
of the players that were there.
610
00:27:31,020 --> 00:27:33,170
GF Entertainment
is a multimedia company.
611
00:27:33,210 --> 00:27:35,190
We have Death Row Records.
612
00:27:35,230 --> 00:27:39,120
We have a movie
production unit, concerts.
613
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,090
We're gonna be doing
pay-per-view concerts
614
00:27:41,130 --> 00:27:43,200
and all kinds
of exciting things.
615
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,050
In the beginning,
they was giving Mike his props,
616
00:27:47,090 --> 00:27:49,200
and they was recognizing
that there was another entity
617
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,000
that helped this be one
major powwow.
618
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,040
(man)
When it came to Dave Kenner,
619
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:59,170
he toasted the man who made it
all responsible, Harry O.
620
00:27:59,210 --> 00:28:02,000
The label started
with Dr. Dre,
621
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,020
who was gonna
do his own thing,
622
00:28:04,060 --> 00:28:07,230
and with a lot of help
from Suge Knight, and Harry O.,
623
00:28:08,030 --> 00:28:09,220
and a number of people,
and we got it all together.
624
00:28:10,020 --> 00:28:12,050
And that's on tape,
and the FBI
625
00:28:12,090 --> 00:28:14,010
confiscated that
from me...
626
00:28:14,050 --> 00:28:18,000
uh, under very rude
circumstances.
627
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:19,010
(gunshot)
628
00:28:23,010 --> 00:28:25,030
(Virgil Roberts)
When Death Row was
in the Solar offices,
629
00:28:25,070 --> 00:28:27,140
we pretty much gave over
to the one floor.
630
00:28:27,180 --> 00:28:31,160
There were a lot of young street
folks hanging out,
631
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,210
but it wasn't what it became.
632
00:28:34,010 --> 00:28:37,050
Unfortunately, there was--
there was a lot of tension.
633
00:28:37,090 --> 00:28:38,170
An element showed up
634
00:28:38,210 --> 00:28:41,090
that my people
were not accustomed to.
635
00:28:41,130 --> 00:28:45,110
Dre had invited these guys
over to the studio.
636
00:28:45,150 --> 00:28:49,150
When Suge came,
these guys were using the phone.
637
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,110
So he told him, "Hey, man,
get off the phone.
638
00:29:04,150 --> 00:29:07,190
So the guy says to Suge,
639
00:29:07,230 --> 00:29:11,010
"Hey, man, we were invited
up here by Dre,
640
00:29:11,050 --> 00:29:13,170
and Dre told us
that we could use this phone."
641
00:29:21,170 --> 00:29:23,200
An argument ensued.
642
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:28,070
Suge went down to the car
and got a gun.
643
00:29:40,050 --> 00:29:44,150
And hey, he beat these guys up
in the studio.
644
00:29:44,190 --> 00:29:46,230
He shot through
the wall to scare 'em.
645
00:29:47,030 --> 00:29:48,190
The hole is in the wall
over there.
646
00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:51,010
The cops came and dug
the bullet out, you know.
647
00:29:51,050 --> 00:29:54,030
(news anchor)
George and Lynwood Stanley
later sued Knight.
648
00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:56,230
He agreed on
a $1 million settlement,
649
00:29:57,030 --> 00:29:59,130
but only paid a third of it.
650
00:29:59,170 --> 00:30:01,170
♪ Y-- Y-- Yeah ♪
651
00:30:01,210 --> 00:30:02,170
♪ And you don't stop ♪
652
00:30:02,210 --> 00:30:04,060
"Deep Cover."
"Deep Cover."
653
00:30:04,100 --> 00:30:08,010
(Virgil Roberts)
"Deep Cover" was--
was a critical success.
654
00:30:08,050 --> 00:30:11,100
It was the introduction of Dre
as a solo artist.
655
00:30:11,140 --> 00:30:13,210
♪ I'm on a mission,
and my mission won't stop ♪
656
00:30:14,010 --> 00:30:15,070
(Kevin Powell)
It was the introduction of Dre
657
00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:17,070
as a mentor to other artists,
658
00:30:17,110 --> 00:30:18,230
in this case,
Snoop Doggy Dogg.
659
00:30:19,030 --> 00:30:21,080
♪ 1-8-7 on
a undercover cop ♪
660
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,100
♪ Yeah, and you don't stop ♪
661
00:30:23,140 --> 00:30:26,080
♪ 'Cause it's 1-8-7
on a undercover cop ♪
662
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,100
♪ Yeah, and you don't stop ♪
663
00:30:28,140 --> 00:30:30,130
By Snoop blowing up
on "Deep Cover,"
664
00:30:30,170 --> 00:30:32,100
I looked at that
like we were all blowing up
665
00:30:32,140 --> 00:30:34,140
'cause I always knew we did
music together,
666
00:30:34,180 --> 00:30:36,230
and I always
had confidence in our music,
667
00:30:37,030 --> 00:30:39,160
that it would sell
and it would sell worldwide.
668
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,010
And after the way it blew up
with Snoop,
669
00:30:41,050 --> 00:30:42,140
it pumped me up.
670
00:30:42,180 --> 00:30:44,130
Like, man, I can't wait
till it's my turn
671
00:30:44,170 --> 00:30:46,020
'cause they really do
love what we doing.
672
00:30:46,060 --> 00:30:47,160
That single is so significant
673
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,200
because it shows
these two different worlds
674
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:54,100
that Dre was leaving,
and where he's going to.
675
00:30:54,140 --> 00:30:55,230
(man)
Dr. Dre wanted
to make a statement
676
00:30:56,030 --> 00:30:57,020
that he was a solo artist,
677
00:30:57,060 --> 00:30:58,230
that he was a good artist
on his own
678
00:30:59,030 --> 00:31:00,120
and a good producer.
679
00:31:01,140 --> 00:31:03,110
The thing back then was
we gonna try to come up.
680
00:31:03,150 --> 00:31:06,160
That's all Dre used to talk
about is coming up, coming up.
681
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,060
And "The Chronic" was what was
supposed to set it off.
682
00:31:13,070 --> 00:31:15,000
What I'm doing right now
683
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,070
is, um, I'll be putting out
a solo album soon.
684
00:31:18,110 --> 00:31:20,160
(Nate Dogg)
Everybody put their all
into the "Chronic" album
685
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,230
because we seen
that not only was this
686
00:31:23,030 --> 00:31:24,130
gonna build a record company
that we were on
687
00:31:24,170 --> 00:31:25,220
'cause this was
the first album
688
00:31:26,020 --> 00:31:28,000
off the record company
we were on,
689
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,190
this would build
all of our careers.
690
00:31:29,230 --> 00:31:31,140
And we vibe it,
straight whatever Dre want.
691
00:31:31,180 --> 00:31:33,040
It's Dre--
"Dre, whatever you want.
692
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,080
You want this concept, Dre?
You want this? You want this?"
693
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,100
It's all about Dre, it's all
about Compton and Dre.
694
00:31:37,140 --> 00:31:39,140
Dre, Dre, Dre.
Boom.
695
00:31:39,180 --> 00:31:42,160
You had Snoop Dogg
who just brought,
696
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,130
a whole nother
style to rap music.
697
00:31:45,170 --> 00:31:47,090
He has a voice where he can
rap over beats
698
00:31:47,130 --> 00:31:50,010
and just rip
a beat to pieces.
699
00:31:50,050 --> 00:31:51,150
And a lot of that shit
was on the spot,
700
00:31:51,190 --> 00:31:53,120
spontaneous right there.
701
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,090
We just putting the weed
together like this,
702
00:31:55,130 --> 00:31:58,130
breaking it down,
put it in a Zig-Zag.
703
00:31:58,170 --> 00:32:00,040
Once we twist that shit up
and blaze,
704
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,190
if it's the chronic,
we're gonna keep it in this--
705
00:32:02,230 --> 00:32:04,030
you know, unroll that
motherfucker, and throw it out,
706
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:05,170
and come up
with some new shit.
707
00:32:05,210 --> 00:32:08,080
(Lamont Blumfield)
First of all, you had
so many hungry,
708
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,220
starving individuals
that, you know, wanted
709
00:32:11,020 --> 00:32:13,130
to be superstars, who put
they talent together,
710
00:32:13,170 --> 00:32:15,210
and it came out
to be a classic.
711
00:32:16,010 --> 00:32:19,000
The camaraderie in them
early days over there, man,
712
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,150
all them cats used to show up
to the studio.
713
00:32:21,190 --> 00:32:23,020
They were poor as hell,
714
00:32:23,060 --> 00:32:25,130
but they said, "We're a family."
They still had fun.
715
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,190
Yeah!
"The Chronic," baby!
716
00:32:29,230 --> 00:32:32,190
(Jewell)
So it wasn't like we had money
to hang with our friends
717
00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:36,150
or anything like that,
so we just hung together.
718
00:32:36,190 --> 00:32:40,030
And we created
a masterpiece.
719
00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:41,140
(indistinct chatter)
720
00:32:41,180 --> 00:32:43,160
Check it out.
721
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,040
I think it was a lot
of collaboration
722
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,170
on "The Chronic" album
as far as names like Daz,
723
00:32:49,210 --> 00:32:53,080
Kurupt, Snoop,
Warren G, D.O.C.,
724
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,130
RBX, and myself,
Rage, Jewell.
725
00:32:56,170 --> 00:32:59,030
We were all starving.
726
00:32:59,070 --> 00:33:00,040
All starving.
727
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:03,080
Dre included.
728
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,020
We would be up there eating
Popeye's chicken
729
00:33:05,060 --> 00:33:06,060
five days a week.
730
00:33:06,100 --> 00:33:07,210
I gotta go
roll up a joint.
731
00:33:08,010 --> 00:33:10,160
We had weed, the best weed,
you know what I'm saying?
732
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:11,130
That's why
we made "The Chronic,"
733
00:33:11,170 --> 00:33:13,110
because we had the chronic.
734
00:33:13,150 --> 00:33:16,010
I mean, sometimes,
we just was in there, you know,
735
00:33:16,050 --> 00:33:20,180
drinking or elevating our minds
to another level.
736
00:33:20,220 --> 00:33:23,150
Dre would be, like, working
with the beats at the time,
737
00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:25,020
and he would
come up with something,
738
00:33:25,060 --> 00:33:27,020
and depending on who was
in the studio
739
00:33:27,060 --> 00:33:28,140
at that particular time.
740
00:33:28,180 --> 00:33:30,130
There was people waiting all
over the world for that album--
741
00:33:30,170 --> 00:33:32,070
for Dre's album to drop.
742
00:33:32,110 --> 00:33:34,100
(Virgil Roberts)
"The Chronic" was finished.
743
00:33:34,140 --> 00:33:35,210
We had originally thought
we were gonna be able
744
00:33:36,010 --> 00:33:37,210
to distribute
the record with Sony.
745
00:33:38,010 --> 00:33:40,130
This would have been the first
time in history
746
00:33:40,170 --> 00:33:45,120
that young guys would have
actually had the opportunity
747
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,000
to have a distribution deal,
748
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:49,220
what they call
a P&D deal,
749
00:33:50,020 --> 00:33:52,020
through a major
and get all of the money.
750
00:33:52,060 --> 00:33:54,060
Sony refused to distribute
"The Chronic."
751
00:33:54,100 --> 00:33:56,230
Sony, because of
their fearfulness
752
00:33:57,030 --> 00:34:00,050
of some of the crazy things
going on around Death Row
753
00:34:00,090 --> 00:34:03,180
and their wariness of the
contractual status of Dr. Dre,
754
00:34:03,220 --> 00:34:05,110
didn't want to get
that deal done.
755
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,190
Part of their fears
in dealing with rap bands
756
00:34:17,230 --> 00:34:20,010
is that some of these
gangster rappers
757
00:34:20,050 --> 00:34:21,150
might turn out
to be real gangsters.
758
00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:23,060
Indeed, many of them are.
759
00:34:23,100 --> 00:34:26,000
There's-- any number of these
guys go to jail every year.
760
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:27,080
I mean, it's, like,
first thing, they--
761
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,040
you know, they go platinum,
then go to jail.
762
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:30,210
(Virgil Roberts)
Dick and I then
negotiated a deal
763
00:34:31,010 --> 00:34:33,040
with BMG to put out
the record.
764
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:34,180
They heard
the lyrics, and they said,
765
00:34:34,220 --> 00:34:36,000
"We're not gonna put
the record out.
766
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,030
Everybody got
afraid of putting out
767
00:34:39,070 --> 00:34:41,190
any kind of rap records
with explicit lyrics
768
00:34:41,230 --> 00:34:43,190
that talked about
killing cops and stuff.
769
00:34:43,230 --> 00:34:45,150
There wasn't nobody out there
with us.
770
00:34:45,190 --> 00:34:47,040
I mean, it was a time
when we were shopping a deal.
771
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:48,140
We had an album done.
772
00:34:48,180 --> 00:34:51,200
John McClane Jr.
came along.
773
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,180
When he heard the record,
he went crazy.
774
00:34:53,220 --> 00:34:55,080
He said,
"Griff, Griff, you gotta--
775
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,110
you gotta give me this,
you gotta give me this record."
776
00:34:57,150 --> 00:34:59,170
John said,
"I love the record.
777
00:34:59,210 --> 00:35:01,140
Why don't you let me take it
to Interscope?"
778
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:11,060
An opportunity appeared
for a young, aggressive label
779
00:35:11,100 --> 00:35:13,050
to distribute Death Row,
780
00:35:13,090 --> 00:35:16,060
and two established industry
people to deal with--
781
00:35:16,100 --> 00:35:19,230
Jimmy Iovine, who is a superstar
producer of rock records,
782
00:35:20,030 --> 00:35:22,020
and Ted Fields,
who had been a movie producer
783
00:35:22,060 --> 00:35:23,180
and produced
some hit music.
784
00:35:23,220 --> 00:35:26,110
They had some rather
controversial acts
785
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:29,030
of their own in rock--
Nine Inch Nails.
786
00:35:29,070 --> 00:35:30,190
They signed Tupac Shakur,
787
00:35:30,230 --> 00:35:32,140
the other hottest rapper
in the business.
788
00:35:32,180 --> 00:35:34,140
Interscope was
out of business.
789
00:35:34,180 --> 00:35:36,050
They were getting ready
to close the doors.
790
00:35:36,090 --> 00:35:38,200
Warner's Atlantic
was dropping the deal,
791
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,170
and Ted Fields was tired
of pouring
792
00:35:41,210 --> 00:35:43,160
his personal money in there.
793
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:48,080
So here comes Dick Griffey
with "The Chronic."
794
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,210
Dick and I went
and met with Jimmy Iovine,
795
00:35:51,010 --> 00:35:52,120
and we met with David Cohen,
796
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,120
and we played them
"The Chronic,"
797
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,170
and they said they were
interested in making a deal.
798
00:35:56,210 --> 00:36:02,110
So these guys told me--
said, "Look, they--
799
00:36:02,150 --> 00:36:05,140
we gonna
advance you $200,000."
800
00:36:05,180 --> 00:36:07,000
Well, in the meantime,
what was--
801
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,050
what was going on is
there was no more money.
802
00:36:09,090 --> 00:36:10,140
There was no cash flow.
803
00:36:10,180 --> 00:36:12,170
Friday, no money,
Saturday, no money,
804
00:36:12,210 --> 00:36:14,100
Sunday, no money,
Monday, no money.
805
00:36:14,140 --> 00:36:20,100
Tuesday, they advanced $100,000,
806
00:36:20,140 --> 00:36:24,020
for which we had
to sign as a loan.
807
00:36:24,060 --> 00:36:28,180
By Wednesday, Suge and Dre
are up at Interscope.
808
00:36:28,220 --> 00:36:31,170
Jimmy Iovine
got a hold of Dre,
809
00:36:31,210 --> 00:36:33,050
said, "See, Dre?
810
00:36:33,090 --> 00:36:35,140
"They doing it
to you again, Dre.
811
00:36:35,180 --> 00:36:37,090
These guys are taking
advantage of you.
812
00:36:37,130 --> 00:36:40,070
They then got in touch
directly with Suge and said,
813
00:36:40,110 --> 00:36:41,230
"You know, Griffey was here,
he won't make us a deal,
814
00:36:42,030 --> 00:36:44,030
but you bring us a record,
we'll give you $1 million."
815
00:36:44,070 --> 00:36:45,220
The man, once again,
816
00:36:46,020 --> 00:36:48,080
had done the old
divide and conquer.
817
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,140
There's really a lot
of prejudice in the business.
818
00:36:50,180 --> 00:36:53,110
And people think it's so much
black and white,
819
00:36:53,150 --> 00:36:55,120
but a lot of it
is young and old.
820
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,000
Most of our young people
don't really know
821
00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:59,230
what's available
for them out there,
822
00:37:00,030 --> 00:37:03,100
so that's how they get
taken advantage of.
823
00:37:03,140 --> 00:37:05,020
Older guys,
only thing they want to do
824
00:37:05,060 --> 00:37:06,170
is sit you down
and say, "Look...
825
00:37:06,210 --> 00:37:09,120
"Okay, Suge, you say
you're a young entrepreneur.
826
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,040
"This is what we gonna do.
827
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,140
"Give me all the stuff you got--
give me your tapes,
828
00:37:13,180 --> 00:37:16,080
"give me your masters,
give me your groups,
829
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:17,200
and I'm gonna go over there
and make you a deal."
830
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,090
Suge didn't know contracts.
831
00:37:21,130 --> 00:37:24,180
He didn't know manufacturing,
he didn't know publishing.
832
00:37:24,220 --> 00:37:25,200
But you know,
my opinion was,
833
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,080
"Look, I ain't no punk.
834
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:28,150
"You don't
gotta talk for us.
835
00:37:28,190 --> 00:37:30,080
We gonna go in there and speak
for ours self.
836
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,180
"Instead of getting
a dollar, we want five,
837
00:37:32,220 --> 00:37:35,060
You know, and our masters,
and our ownership."
838
00:37:35,100 --> 00:37:37,210
(Dick Griffey)
What they ended up with
is going over to Interscope
839
00:37:38,010 --> 00:37:40,210
and getting one of those
regular slave deals.
840
00:37:41,010 --> 00:37:45,050
They took the kids away
from the nest too soon.
841
00:37:45,090 --> 00:37:47,190
Interscope clearly
saw the money.
842
00:37:47,230 --> 00:37:50,210
And this is
the record business.
843
00:37:51,010 --> 00:37:52,150
And I think they were
smart enough
844
00:37:52,190 --> 00:37:56,140
to see that whoever
this guy Suge Knight was,
845
00:37:56,180 --> 00:38:00,160
and knowing the track record
of this producer, Dr. Dre,
846
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:04,180
and you had the legal mind
of Dave Kenner there,
847
00:38:04,220 --> 00:38:06,190
they've got all
the tools in place.
848
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:08,180
"Everything that we need
is right here.
849
00:38:08,220 --> 00:38:10,060
"We don't really
have to do anything.
850
00:38:10,100 --> 00:38:12,000
"All we have to do is fund
these guys and do what we do,
851
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:13,120
"which is promote records
and market records
852
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:14,180
and advertise records."
853
00:38:14,220 --> 00:38:16,200
Jimmy Iovine
had to go pay off
854
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,180
Ruthless, Eazy, Jerry Heller,
855
00:38:18,220 --> 00:38:20,220
and have "The Chronic"
distributed
856
00:38:21,020 --> 00:38:22,210
through Priority Records.
857
00:38:23,010 --> 00:38:26,200
Eazy was getting
on Dre's "Chronic" record,
858
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,060
like, 50 cents a copy,
maybe 25 cents,
859
00:38:29,100 --> 00:38:32,170
meaning, yeah, "Dre Day,"
he talking shit about me,
860
00:38:32,210 --> 00:38:36,030
but every time "Dre Day"
sell a record,
861
00:38:36,070 --> 00:38:38,090
I get 25 cents a copy.
862
00:38:38,130 --> 00:38:40,020
(Virgil Roberts)
After they signed
the agreement,
863
00:38:40,060 --> 00:38:41,170
I think they realized
that they needed to leave,
864
00:38:41,210 --> 00:38:42,170
and they did.
865
00:38:42,210 --> 00:38:44,070
All of a sudden,
they disappeared.
866
00:38:44,110 --> 00:38:46,080
(Jewell)
Suge cut off all ties
with, you know,
867
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:47,230
the people he was
dealing with in the beginning,
868
00:38:48,030 --> 00:38:50,200
and we got a whole new office
and a whole new crew.
869
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,110
And that really
became kind of the--
870
00:38:53,150 --> 00:38:54,200
the rupture in the relationship
871
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,050
between Dick and Suge
and D.O.C. and Dre.
872
00:38:58,090 --> 00:39:02,120
(Dick Griffey)
"The Chronic" rolls out
and sells 5 million copies,
873
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,000
generates $50 million.
874
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:09,000
It saved Interscope...
made Interscope.
875
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,140
We invented something
that wasn't out there,
876
00:39:11,180 --> 00:39:14,000
so it was fresh, and everybody
wanted it,
877
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,090
from the East Coast
to the West Coast, period.
878
00:39:17,130 --> 00:39:21,000
You couldn't turn on MTV
without seeing Dr. Dre.
879
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,000
First time I performed songs
from "The Chronic"
880
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,040
was with Dr. Dre,
881
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,140
and we did, like, a small,
little concert in Compton.
882
00:39:29,180 --> 00:39:32,080
And, man, motherfuckers were
singing every word of the songs.
883
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,220
It made me feel, like, damn,
this is my life right here.
884
00:39:36,020 --> 00:39:37,120
(Ton Def)
To me it wasn't like, okay,
885
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:41,000
Dre is advocating
everybody smoke weed.
886
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:42,110
He wasn't saying that.
887
00:39:42,150 --> 00:39:45,120
He was saying
my album is dope.
888
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:46,120
Do you understand
what I'm saying?
889
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,220
My album is dope,
buy it.
890
00:39:49,020 --> 00:39:50,130
It was a good record--
I know a lot of cats
891
00:39:50,170 --> 00:39:52,050
that's pissed off behind
those records right now
892
00:39:52,090 --> 00:39:53,170
'cause they say
they haven't been paid
893
00:39:53,210 --> 00:39:54,220
or didn't get credit
for it.
894
00:39:55,020 --> 00:39:57,060
I liked it--
I mean, it was--
895
00:39:57,100 --> 00:39:59,020
I was surprised by it,
I was happy with it.
896
00:39:59,060 --> 00:40:02,080
In fact, I still play it
from time to time.
897
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:03,150
I don't like to listen
to his voice on the shit,
898
00:40:03,190 --> 00:40:05,160
but I still listen to it.
899
00:40:11,110 --> 00:40:13,010
If you understand,
you know,
900
00:40:13,050 --> 00:40:14,150
what was going on in the street
901
00:40:14,190 --> 00:40:15,220
at that time
and even now,
902
00:40:16,020 --> 00:40:17,140
word of mouth is everything.
903
00:40:17,180 --> 00:40:20,080
And Death Row became
really hip on the street.
904
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:24,000
Every young black entertainer
wanted to be a part of it,
905
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,000
so there was no problem
finding talent at all.
906
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:28,180
There was an understanding
at Death Row
907
00:40:28,220 --> 00:40:31,140
that they weren't getting
at the major companies.
908
00:40:31,180 --> 00:40:33,190
(Doug Young)
One of the things
about these major labels--
909
00:40:33,230 --> 00:40:36,100
they'll never understand
street music.
910
00:40:36,140 --> 00:40:37,200
They'll never understand stuff
911
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,150
that starts right there
in the neighborhoods.
912
00:40:40,190 --> 00:40:41,150
They'll never understand it,
913
00:40:41,190 --> 00:40:44,050
never will, never will,
never will.
914
00:40:44,090 --> 00:40:46,110
That's why you will always have
some young entrepreneurs
915
00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:48,180
who will come along,
who really understand
916
00:40:48,220 --> 00:40:50,200
how to do that,
and make a killing.
917
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:51,220
(Suge Knight)
I'm not Hollywood.
918
00:40:52,020 --> 00:40:53,160
You know, if you see me
out somewhere,
919
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,200
I don't care who you is--
I'm fixin' to come over there,
920
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,000
hear your hook, talk to you--
"How you doing," whatever.
921
00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:59,090
You ain't gonna speak to me.
922
00:40:59,130 --> 00:41:01,170
I ain't gonna do no
"Psh, let's do lunch."
923
00:41:01,210 --> 00:41:03,120
I ain't with
all that, you know?
924
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,130
I'll be, like, "What's up?
I'm still from the ghetto.
925
00:41:05,170 --> 00:41:07,000
It was
a very, very good time
926
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,100
for young kids
looking for a break.
927
00:41:09,140 --> 00:41:10,200
There was an opportunity there.
928
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,110
There were people there
that understood them,
929
00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:14,010
understood what they were about.
930
00:41:14,050 --> 00:41:15,090
Kids would come in
and want to audition
931
00:41:15,130 --> 00:41:16,230
right off the street.
932
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:18,170
Basically did the same thing
Motown did.
933
00:41:18,210 --> 00:41:21,000
They took
the mindset, the spirit,
934
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,010
the dreams, the hopes,
and wishes, and thoughts
935
00:41:24,050 --> 00:41:25,150
of the people,
of the time period,
936
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:26,180
and they set it to music.
937
00:41:26,220 --> 00:41:28,180
If anybody would really
stop for a moment
938
00:41:28,220 --> 00:41:31,010
to analyze what really
happened at Death Row,
939
00:41:31,050 --> 00:41:32,190
it's really a miracle.
940
00:41:32,230 --> 00:41:34,220
You have a company,
a small company
941
00:41:35,020 --> 00:41:38,060
run by a young,
black entrepreneur,
942
00:41:38,100 --> 00:41:42,040
and he releases five or six LPs,
943
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,160
and all of them went at least,
I think, double platinum.
944
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,220
Now, it's a known
fact in our industry--
945
00:41:48,020 --> 00:41:51,100
if you're working for a major,
and you release ten LPs,
946
00:41:51,140 --> 00:41:54,190
and you have
three to four hit records
947
00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:56,030
out of the ten
that you release,
948
00:41:56,070 --> 00:41:57,100
you're considered a genius.
949
00:41:57,140 --> 00:41:59,100
I think the most important thing
in my situation,
950
00:41:59,140 --> 00:42:02,030
that I wasn't coached.
951
00:42:02,070 --> 00:42:04,180
I think if a person is coached
about the business,
952
00:42:04,220 --> 00:42:06,220
they're gonna continue
to make the same mistakes
953
00:42:07,020 --> 00:42:08,200
the other entrepreneurs
been making all along.
954
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,160
The appeal of Death Row Records,
and everybody
955
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,020
wanting to join
Death Row Records at the time,
956
00:42:13,060 --> 00:42:17,040
was the fact that Suge Knight
was a black man
957
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,080
with a lot of power,
958
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,110
and he was a fearsome
individual.
959
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:22,100
That's the type of person
you want on your team.
960
00:42:22,140 --> 00:42:24,070
Suge Knight is
an intimidating individual.
961
00:42:24,110 --> 00:42:25,130
When he enters a room,
you notice him,
962
00:42:25,170 --> 00:42:26,170
You can't help it.
963
00:42:26,210 --> 00:42:28,060
I think that
he would be considered
964
00:42:28,100 --> 00:42:30,120
a handsome man, huge man.
965
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,230
(Hank Caldwell)
Suge's tremendous size
intimidated people.
966
00:42:34,030 --> 00:42:37,110
When you got a 300-pound guy
saying something,
967
00:42:37,150 --> 00:42:40,080
it means a lot more than if you
have Mickey Rooney saying it.
968
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,200
Suge was bright
enough to use his size
969
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,080
much like Don King
uses his hair.
970
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:49,140
The hype got so big, that
everybody started fearing him.
971
00:42:49,180 --> 00:42:52,000
I have friends who are at Sony,
and one of them called,
972
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:53,210
said, "Gee, you know,
we really want to get a track.
973
00:42:54,010 --> 00:42:56,060
Would you do me a favor,
and could you go talk to Suge?"
974
00:42:56,100 --> 00:42:57,130
And I said, "Yeah, I'll go
talk to him."
975
00:42:57,170 --> 00:42:59,020
And so,
I went over to see Suge.
976
00:42:59,060 --> 00:43:01,010
And I said, Suge, "What is it
you're doing?
977
00:43:01,050 --> 00:43:03,130
You got people out here
that are afraid to talk to you."
978
00:43:03,170 --> 00:43:07,040
(Hank Caldwell)
Suge became somewhat like
a folk hero after a while.
979
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,140
These stories just developed
a life of their own.
980
00:43:09,180 --> 00:43:11,100
You got Suge doing everything
from throwing people
981
00:43:11,140 --> 00:43:13,090
off of a 30-story building
982
00:43:13,130 --> 00:43:16,050
to, you know, putting rocks--
and burying them in cement.
983
00:43:16,090 --> 00:43:17,220
The media,
they put bad names on people
984
00:43:18,020 --> 00:43:19,050
and, you know,
try to run.
985
00:43:19,090 --> 00:43:20,180
They drag their name
through dirt or whatever.
986
00:43:20,220 --> 00:43:23,190
But now, as an individual,
987
00:43:23,230 --> 00:43:25,180
you got to do what you got to do
to get paid.
988
00:43:25,220 --> 00:43:28,040
(Jewell)
He was a very
brilliant businessman.
989
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,070
Whatever his tactics
might have been,
990
00:43:30,110 --> 00:43:32,210
whoever he had
to step on to get there,
991
00:43:33,010 --> 00:43:36,060
his main objective was
to just get there
992
00:43:36,100 --> 00:43:37,210
at any cost.
993
00:43:38,010 --> 00:43:40,030
There's a genius
which is a part of him.
994
00:43:40,070 --> 00:43:42,220
And you know what they say
about geniuses, you know?
995
00:43:43,020 --> 00:43:45,030
They aren't far
from being insane.
996
00:43:45,070 --> 00:43:47,210
Suge Knight pretty much
blew his cover
997
00:43:48,010 --> 00:43:50,060
by appearing
on the cover of magazines
998
00:43:50,100 --> 00:43:52,110
because now, you're no longer
a figure behind the scenes.
999
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:53,210
Now, you're a celebrity.
1000
00:43:54,010 --> 00:43:55,040
You're making yourself
a celebrity.
1001
00:44:16,050 --> 00:44:18,120
When Snoop's album comes out,
1002
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:23,060
this is the most anticipated
rap album in history.
1003
00:44:23,100 --> 00:44:25,050
(Snoop Dogg)
"Doggystyle" was--
1004
00:44:25,090 --> 00:44:26,160
we through with
"The Chronic."
1005
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,040
"It's all about you, Snoop.
1006
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,180
You the hottest thing coming out
the West Coast in a long time."
1007
00:44:30,220 --> 00:44:32,070
And Dre gonna produce it.
1008
00:44:32,110 --> 00:44:34,060
And when Dre produce an album
from top to bottom,
1009
00:44:34,100 --> 00:44:35,230
you can't lose.
1010
00:44:36,030 --> 00:44:39,000
(reporter)
Tell us what we should expect
on the new album.
1011
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,000
Gangsta shit,
you know what I'm saying?
1012
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:42,100
Smooth gangsta shit.
1013
00:44:42,140 --> 00:44:44,200
We're here at Tower Records
in Marina del Rey.
1014
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,110
where this is really the hottest
album on the shelves right now.
1015
00:44:47,150 --> 00:44:49,200
(news anchor)
Since the album was released
at midnight last night,
1016
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:51,170
at this store,
they've already sold
1017
00:44:51,210 --> 00:44:55,020
130 CDs and about
100 cassettes.
1018
00:44:55,060 --> 00:44:57,000
It could be
the hottest album ever.
1019
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:58,140
Get it before it's gone.
1020
00:44:58,180 --> 00:45:00,120
(Jeffrey Jolson-Colburn)
Nobody had ever,
in the modern era,
1021
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,030
had their very first album
go number one.
1022
00:45:03,070 --> 00:45:08,010
A triple platinum album is
$30 million to the record label.
1023
00:45:08,050 --> 00:45:11,090
It's more like $45 million
on the retail level.
1024
00:45:11,130 --> 00:45:14,020
Death Row became
the core of Interscope,
1025
00:45:14,060 --> 00:45:17,080
which became the core
of Warner Brothers'
1026
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,090
music moneymaking machine.
1027
00:45:19,130 --> 00:45:23,000
After the Snoop album came out,
it was all gravy
1028
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,080
'cause, man, Death Row
was flying high at the end.
1029
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:31,060
There was just so money floating
around Death Row for anything.
1030
00:45:31,100 --> 00:45:34,000
I remember,
I used to keep thousands--
1031
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,110
I used to run through thousands
of dollars a day.
1032
00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:39,150
They're making
$100 million a year.
1033
00:45:39,190 --> 00:45:41,130
They can buy anything
they want.
1034
00:45:41,170 --> 00:45:43,100
They can buy
anybody they want.
1035
00:45:43,140 --> 00:45:46,110
That made it all very,
very serious business.
1036
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:57,010
Rappers didn't give
gangsta rap its name.
1037
00:45:57,050 --> 00:45:59,150
The music industry gave
gangsta rap its name.
1038
00:45:59,190 --> 00:46:02,080
They said,
"This music has cussing in it,
1039
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,090
"they're calling women bitches,
so that's gangsta rap
1040
00:46:05,130 --> 00:46:08,230
because it comes from
the gangs and the gangstas."
1041
00:46:09,030 --> 00:46:10,190
Gangsta rap isn't something
that was just born
1042
00:46:10,230 --> 00:46:13,090
and invented in the
quote-unquote "ghetto."
1043
00:46:13,130 --> 00:46:16,140
It's something that you see
in American movies.
1044
00:46:16,180 --> 00:46:18,050
Put that gun away.
When I get good and ready.
1045
00:46:18,090 --> 00:46:21,220
The glorification of Al Capone
and Lucky Luciano,
1046
00:46:22,020 --> 00:46:24,150
and that's kind of glamorous in
any American's eyes, I think.
1047
00:46:32,110 --> 00:46:35,000
It really puts
the truth of society
1048
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:36,150
out in front of America,
1049
00:46:36,190 --> 00:46:38,210
and America,
not used to that,
1050
00:46:39,010 --> 00:46:40,180
is obviously gonna be
shocked about it.
1051
00:46:57,150 --> 00:46:59,220
Suppose they just started
rapping about the 6:00 news.
1052
00:47:01,210 --> 00:47:03,080
Would it be gangsta rap?
1053
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,190
Gangsta rap is
like the movies, too.
1054
00:47:05,230 --> 00:47:08,010
Drama sells.
1055
00:47:08,050 --> 00:47:09,120
I take it
for what it is.
1056
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,030
It's a record, it's a CD,
it's a tape.
1057
00:47:12,070 --> 00:47:14,170
You know, and I'm not
gonna live my life by it,
1058
00:47:14,210 --> 00:47:16,070
and other people
shouldn't either.
1059
00:47:16,110 --> 00:47:17,230
It's entertainment.
1060
00:47:18,030 --> 00:47:21,030
No black man should get on
the front of a magazine
1061
00:47:21,070 --> 00:47:23,170
with a 12-inch cigar
in front of two Rolls-Royces
1062
00:47:23,210 --> 00:47:26,180
wearing what could be considered
gang colors in America.
1063
00:47:26,220 --> 00:47:29,000
That sends a bad message--
that's negative.
1064
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,160
Publicity, when it was negative,
played a role also
1065
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,090
because it was
part of this role
1066
00:47:34,130 --> 00:47:36,210
that Suge Knight
had chosen for the company.
1067
00:47:37,010 --> 00:47:40,070
I mean, these kids
were not gangsters,
1068
00:47:40,110 --> 00:47:42,040
quote, real gangsters.
1069
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,070
Many people there were not,
as a matter of fact,
1070
00:47:44,110 --> 00:47:47,230
gang members, like it has
been portrayed in the press.
1071
00:47:48,030 --> 00:47:50,070
You know, there were people
around that were.
1072
00:47:50,110 --> 00:47:52,100
When you got
brothers that, you know,
1073
00:47:52,140 --> 00:47:55,180
perpetrating gang violence
or gang affiliation,
1074
00:47:55,220 --> 00:47:57,070
and they making it cool,
it's a problem.
1075
00:47:57,110 --> 00:47:58,220
That could be a problem.
1076
00:47:59,020 --> 00:48:01,180
It wasn't just Death Row
perpetuating the violence.
1077
00:48:01,220 --> 00:48:02,230
I think
it was the media.
1078
00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:04,130
I think-- I mean,
let's face it.
1079
00:48:04,170 --> 00:48:07,060
The coverage was just awesome.
1080
00:48:07,100 --> 00:48:10,010
All of a sudden, Death Row
and gangsta rap was the reason
1081
00:48:10,050 --> 00:48:12,090
that every youngster in America
was going bad.
1082
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:22,220
(all)
No gangsta rap!
1083
00:48:23,020 --> 00:48:26,000
Lyrics that
promote rape, murder,
1084
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,100
racism, drug abuse,
and violence.
1085
00:48:29,140 --> 00:48:34,010
"Die, die, die, pig, die."
1086
00:48:34,050 --> 00:48:36,200
Time Warner's music division
promotes music
1087
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,210
that celebrates the rape,
torture, and murder of women.
1088
00:48:40,010 --> 00:48:42,190
C. Delores Tucker
is a political activist
1089
00:48:42,230 --> 00:48:45,070
that embodies herself
in matters
1090
00:48:45,110 --> 00:48:48,080
of African-American
decency questions.
1091
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,220
In the beginning, she was trying
to protect America
1092
00:48:51,020 --> 00:48:53,170
from the threat
of gangsta rap.
1093
00:48:53,210 --> 00:48:55,030
You will see words
that you can't even repeat
1094
00:48:55,070 --> 00:48:56,160
in a locker room.
1095
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,060
But by that point, the cat
was out of the bag,
1096
00:48:59,100 --> 00:49:01,070
and there was very little
that should could have done.
1097
00:49:01,110 --> 00:49:02,210
Doggy style.
1098
00:49:03,010 --> 00:49:03,200
Do it from the back.
1099
00:49:10,100 --> 00:49:13,040
She involved herself
in Time Warner politics
1100
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:16,110
along with a odd political
bedfellow for her,
1101
00:49:16,150 --> 00:49:18,020
who was William Bennett.
1102
00:49:18,060 --> 00:49:20,060
The moral obtuseness
of Time Warner.
1103
00:49:20,100 --> 00:49:22,040
We do not understand
why they don't get it.
1104
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,080
These are right-wing
conservatives, both of them.
1105
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,040
They are would-be censors.
1106
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:29,170
Both were attacking Time Warner
along with Dole.
1107
00:49:29,210 --> 00:49:31,230
A line has been crossed,
1108
00:49:32,030 --> 00:49:36,070
not just of taste, but
of human dignity and decency.
1109
00:49:36,110 --> 00:49:37,230
(Jeffrey Jolson-Colburn)
Now, you've got
a presidential candidate
1110
00:49:38,030 --> 00:49:40,140
accusing Time Warner
of debasing the nation
1111
00:49:40,180 --> 00:49:42,090
for handling
Death Row product.
1112
00:49:42,130 --> 00:49:44,230
The mainstreaming of deviancy
must come to an end.
1113
00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:46,230
And I think
we do have problems
1114
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:49,090
with the social fabric
of this country right now.
1115
00:49:49,130 --> 00:49:51,130
I do have trouble believing
that it is caused
1116
00:49:51,170 --> 00:49:54,070
by song lyrics or movies.
1117
00:49:54,110 --> 00:49:56,150
(Jeffrey Jolson-Colburn)
Time Warner was also
doing Ice-T.
1118
00:49:56,190 --> 00:49:59,150
They got T off the label, but
they were stuck with Death Row.
1119
00:49:59,190 --> 00:50:00,180
And the numbers
were so huge,
1120
00:50:00,220 --> 00:50:01,210
they didn't know
what to do with it.
1121
00:50:02,010 --> 00:50:04,130
They'd just put
$120 million into it.
1122
00:50:04,170 --> 00:50:07,050
They're getting all
that money out and then some.
1123
00:50:07,090 --> 00:50:09,110
They can't be seen by
any of their artists
1124
00:50:09,150 --> 00:50:12,010
to give into
political pressure whatsoever.
1125
00:50:12,050 --> 00:50:14,080
If you do that, they'd never get
another act again,
1126
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,120
and no self-respecting manager
would ever sign with a label
1127
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,230
who they thought
could be pressured for content.
1128
00:50:21,030 --> 00:50:24,030
We, African-American
women particularly,
1129
00:50:24,070 --> 00:50:29,010
are tired of being called hoes,
bitches, and sluts
1130
00:50:29,050 --> 00:50:30,210
by our children,
1131
00:50:31,010 --> 00:50:34,070
who are paid to do this
by Time Warner.
1132
00:50:34,110 --> 00:50:36,160
(Jeffrey Jolson-Colburn)
She came up with an idea
1133
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,130
that she reportedly
pitched to Fuchs,
1134
00:50:38,170 --> 00:50:44,060
that what if she stated a label,
a positive rap label,
1135
00:50:44,100 --> 00:50:48,210
and got Suge to distribute
Death Row product through her
1136
00:50:49,010 --> 00:50:51,120
with her as the watchdog
of the lyrical content,
1137
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,190
to make sure
that the messages were positive.
1138
00:50:53,230 --> 00:50:55,180
Michael Fuchs,
reportedly desperate
1139
00:50:55,220 --> 00:50:58,050
to try and figure out a solution
to this,
1140
00:50:58,090 --> 00:50:59,190
apparently listened to her.
1141
00:50:59,230 --> 00:51:03,110
She got Fuchs to guarantee
$80 million
1142
00:51:03,150 --> 00:51:04,170
if she could pull this off.
1143
00:51:17,140 --> 00:51:19,010
Interscope was not about
to let Death Row
1144
00:51:19,050 --> 00:51:20,150
go without a fight.
1145
00:51:20,190 --> 00:51:23,230
Suge Knight also protected
those artists lyrically,
1146
00:51:24,030 --> 00:51:25,200
you know, made sure
that everyone was allowed
1147
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,010
to say whatever the hell
they wanted to say.
1148
00:51:28,050 --> 00:51:30,130
Whatever happens,
we're gonna stand up tall
1149
00:51:30,170 --> 00:51:32,230
and-- and-- and be
more successful.
1150
00:51:33,030 --> 00:51:34,030
Only thing anybody is doing
1151
00:51:34,070 --> 00:51:36,050
is making us
stronger and better.
1152
00:51:36,090 --> 00:51:38,060
(Jeffrey Jolson-Colburn)
No way he was gonna let
C. Delores Tucker
1153
00:51:38,100 --> 00:51:41,170
decide the lyrical content
of a Snoop Doggy Dogg album.
1154
00:51:41,210 --> 00:51:43,160
That wasn't gonna happen,
1155
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,000
but they apparently
thought it was.
1156
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,220
Michael Fuchs reportedly flew
to Los Angeles
1157
00:51:49,020 --> 00:51:51,220
in the Time Warner jet
to Dionne Warwick's house,
1158
00:51:52,020 --> 00:51:53,160
with C. Delores Tucker
sitting there
1159
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:57,220
waiting for Suge Knight
to come over to cut a deal
1160
00:51:58,020 --> 00:52:00,100
that would make a tame
Death Row Records.
1161
00:52:00,140 --> 00:52:03,020
What she really wanted
was a record company,
1162
00:52:03,060 --> 00:52:05,010
or to have more
involvement in that business.
1163
00:52:05,050 --> 00:52:07,120
I mean, it is a very
lucrative business.
1164
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:08,220
She had
the wherewithal to see
1165
00:52:09,020 --> 00:52:11,160
where this rap situation
was going,
1166
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:15,200
how it had the nation
really sort of unnerved.
1167
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:17,230
She was just trying to parlay it
into something for herself,
1168
00:52:18,030 --> 00:52:19,020
or she had been promised
1169
00:52:19,060 --> 00:52:20,080
that it would be something
for herself.
1170
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:21,200
Never.
1171
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:26,130
Never have I discussed
$80 million with them,
1172
00:52:26,170 --> 00:52:30,070
about any kind
of a business deal.
1173
00:52:30,110 --> 00:52:32,150
The story goes that they waited
five hours,
1174
00:52:32,190 --> 00:52:34,210
Michael Fuchs,
C. Delores Tucker,
1175
00:52:35,010 --> 00:52:37,090
and-- and--
at Dionne Warwick's house,
1176
00:52:37,130 --> 00:52:39,100
that Suge never showed up.
1177
00:52:39,140 --> 00:52:41,110
Suge went right back
to Interscope and said,
1178
00:52:41,150 --> 00:52:43,060
"Do you know what these guys
just tried to pull?"
1179
00:52:43,100 --> 00:52:47,030
So Interscope then
promptly sued Time Warner
1180
00:52:47,070 --> 00:52:49,180
and promptly sued
C. Delores Tucker
1181
00:52:49,220 --> 00:52:51,150
for interfering with
their contractual relationship.
1182
00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:53,070
Time Warner has decided
1183
00:52:53,110 --> 00:52:55,010
to get out of
the gangsta rap business
1184
00:52:55,050 --> 00:52:57,200
by selling its 50% share
of Interscope Records
1185
00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:59,070
back to that company.
1186
00:52:59,110 --> 00:53:01,080
They made
the right decision,
1187
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,170
the morally responsible
decision, we think,
1188
00:53:03,210 --> 00:53:06,020
and we believe
that by their action,
1189
00:53:06,060 --> 00:53:08,070
divesting themselves
of Interscope
1190
00:53:08,110 --> 00:53:11,040
at some financial loss,
they have set a standard
1191
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:12,160
for the entire entertainment
industry.
1192
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:13,230
I commend them for it.
1193
00:53:14,030 --> 00:53:17,150
I think they are gonna be
good corporate citizens.
1194
00:53:17,190 --> 00:53:20,150
(Jeffrey Jolson-Colburn)
Death Row Records was at
the center of controversies,
1195
00:53:20,190 --> 00:53:22,150
and if the Republicans
had had their way,
1196
00:53:22,190 --> 00:53:25,180
would have
brought down a president.
1197
00:53:25,220 --> 00:53:27,170
That's how big
the controversy got.
1198
00:53:34,090 --> 00:53:36,170
(Michael Harris)
The origins of Death Row,
starting with David Kenner,
1199
00:53:36,210 --> 00:53:40,000
Michael Harris,
and Suge Knight
1200
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:44,010
didn't seem
out of the ordinary
1201
00:53:44,050 --> 00:53:45,220
until all the information
started unfolding
1202
00:53:46,020 --> 00:53:48,020
because David Kenner,
nobody knew who he was.
1203
00:53:48,060 --> 00:53:50,160
David Kenner became
the principle business attorney
1204
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,130
for the label, as well as
the criminal attorney
1205
00:53:52,170 --> 00:53:54,190
for many people
at the label.
1206
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:58,080
Los Angeles police announced
that 21-year-old Calvin Broadus,
1207
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,210
better known as rap star
Snoop Doggy Dogg,
1208
00:54:01,010 --> 00:54:02,140
had turned himself
into police on Friday
1209
00:54:02,180 --> 00:54:03,220
along with two other
young black men,
1210
00:54:04,020 --> 00:54:05,140
all accompanied by an attorney,
1211
00:54:05,180 --> 00:54:07,140
in connection with the murder
on August 25th
1212
00:54:07,180 --> 00:54:09,170
of a man named
Philip Woldermariam
1213
00:54:09,210 --> 00:54:12,000
in what police believe was
a gang-related shooting.
1214
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:13,140
It never should
have gone to trial.
1215
00:54:13,180 --> 00:54:17,020
(David Kenner)
The alleged victim in this case
had a gun,
1216
00:54:17,060 --> 00:54:19,200
was reaching to his waistband
to pull that gun out.
1217
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,020
At the time,
Snoop's bodyguard did the--
1218
00:54:23,060 --> 00:54:24,080
fired a shot.
1219
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,040
And that's what we said
from the beginning.
1220
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:29,030
The testimony makes it clear
this is a case of self-defense.
1221
00:54:29,070 --> 00:54:32,010
(Snoop Dogg)
The DA, he was a pain
in the ass.
1222
00:54:32,050 --> 00:54:33,200
He just tried to do
everything in the world
1223
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,000
to make me seem like
the most negative,
1224
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,050
gangbangin'-est,
criminal-minded motherfucker
1225
00:54:39,090 --> 00:54:41,010
he could just imagine,
and tried
1226
00:54:41,050 --> 00:54:43,140
to paint a picture of me
that just wasn't happening.
1227
00:54:43,180 --> 00:54:44,190
It was crazy knowing
that he was--
1228
00:54:44,230 --> 00:54:46,040
that's what
his job was to do,
1229
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,130
was to get me locked up
for life.
1230
00:54:48,170 --> 00:54:49,170
You know what I'm saying?
1231
00:54:49,210 --> 00:54:53,200
I just want to say
fuck you... bitch.
1232
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,130
(Paul Palladino)
Dave Kenner was the guy
1233
00:54:56,170 --> 00:55:00,080
who legally
made Suge secure.
1234
00:55:08,030 --> 00:55:10,120
One of the benefits
Suge Knight
1235
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,130
gave to people
that joined Death Row
1236
00:55:12,170 --> 00:55:14,190
was to say that,
"I have a legal team,
1237
00:55:14,230 --> 00:55:16,200
"people who have
a lot of experience
1238
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,100
in the criminal arena,
that can help you."
1239
00:55:19,140 --> 00:55:21,150
Whereas in the past,
coming from a black community,
1240
00:55:21,190 --> 00:55:22,210
you go into a white
justice system,
1241
00:55:23,010 --> 00:55:25,080
where all the cards
are stacked against you.
1242
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,070
Here, for the first time
in most of their lives,
1243
00:55:27,110 --> 00:55:29,220
they were given
a lawyer who was very capable
1244
00:55:30,020 --> 00:55:31,190
and an investigator
on top of it.
1245
00:55:31,230 --> 00:55:34,030
And the results spoke for
themselves most of the time.
1246
00:55:34,070 --> 00:55:37,040
They got to see instances
where they were acquitted
1247
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:40,070
in cases which normally
they would have been convicted.
1248
00:55:40,110 --> 00:55:42,170
In the rap industry,
the problems happen
1249
00:55:42,210 --> 00:55:44,160
at 1:00 or 2:00 in the morning,
1250
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,190
so it's not
a 9:00 to 5:00 job.
1251
00:55:46,230 --> 00:55:50,000
David was the rare lawyer
who would be available
1252
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,140
to clients at that hour.
1253
00:55:52,180 --> 00:55:55,050
(Sam Gideon Anson)
Of the $70 or $80 million
1254
00:55:55,090 --> 00:55:59,170
that Interscope paid them
between 1995 and 1997,
1255
00:55:59,210 --> 00:56:01,230
about 13 million of that
went to the law offices
1256
00:56:02,030 --> 00:56:03,100
of David Kenner
or to David Kenner.
1257
00:56:03,140 --> 00:56:04,220
Certainly, this company
1258
00:56:05,020 --> 00:56:06,200
was his bread and butter
for some time.
1259
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:07,220
(reporter)
What's your name again?
1260
00:56:08,020 --> 00:56:09,180
David Kenner, K-E-N-N-E-R.
1261
00:56:23,230 --> 00:56:26,100
I was quite surprised
because you would expect
1262
00:56:26,140 --> 00:56:29,070
a music business attorney,
but he wasn't.
1263
00:56:29,110 --> 00:56:30,170
He was a criminal attorney.
1264
00:56:30,210 --> 00:56:33,020
He had entertainment attorney
qualities, you know?
1265
00:56:33,060 --> 00:56:35,130
He's flamboyant
and he's sharp, and-- you know?
1266
00:56:35,170 --> 00:56:38,020
And he's kind of
Mafia-ish,
1267
00:56:38,060 --> 00:56:40,020
you know, his whole persona.
1268
00:56:40,060 --> 00:56:43,210
After a while, David
might have got so caught up
1269
00:56:44,010 --> 00:56:46,000
in this lifestyle that
he might have become
1270
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:47,170
somewhat confused
because the thing is
1271
00:56:47,210 --> 00:56:49,120
is David really was
supposed to be
1272
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:51,010
working on getting Mike out.
1273
00:56:51,050 --> 00:56:52,230
David was handling
Michael's appeal.
1274
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:55,130
David was involved very much
in Lydia's life.
1275
00:56:55,170 --> 00:56:56,200
He was friends with Lydia.
1276
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:58,220
This was a person who was
very trustworthy to him.
1277
00:57:05,150 --> 00:57:08,130
And I thought, man,
Mike is making a ton of money.
1278
00:57:08,170 --> 00:57:10,030
And then, you see
Dave Kenner there.
1279
00:57:10,070 --> 00:57:12,000
So you see if Dave is there,
then Mike is there.
1280
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:13,080
And then,
the stories start flashing,
1281
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:15,180
and then you know that there's
a war going on.
1282
00:57:15,220 --> 00:57:17,050
There was rumors that,
you know,
1283
00:57:17,090 --> 00:57:19,220
Suge was over there trying
to get a deal at Interscope.
1284
00:57:20,020 --> 00:57:21,230
But when he would go down
and visit Mike,
1285
00:57:22,030 --> 00:57:24,190
him and Kenner
would say it wasn't true.
1286
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:27,080
And Mike said, "Hey, what's this
here in the newspaper?
1287
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,150
And Suge would say,
"Oh, they, you know
1288
00:57:29,190 --> 00:57:32,110
how the newspaper
print up articles."
1289
00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:35,070
So Mike said, "Well, they're not
gonna just print up anything."
1290
00:57:35,110 --> 00:57:38,020
So he start asking David,
you know, "What's going on?"
1291
00:57:38,060 --> 00:57:41,100
Then David came and said,
"Suge did this behind my back."
1292
00:57:41,140 --> 00:57:43,040
(Sam Gideon Anson)
Then that started to cause
Michael concern
1293
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,010
about what
exactly was going on.
1294
00:57:45,050 --> 00:57:48,040
He started to get word
that Suge was telling people,
1295
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,230
"Oh, Michael Harris is nobody,
he's not my partner."
1296
00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:53,030
And the word
on the street was
1297
00:57:53,070 --> 00:57:55,070
Michael Harris is really pissed
off with Suge, it's on.
1298
00:57:55,110 --> 00:57:56,180
(Jewell)
He wanted to get all the credit,
1299
00:57:56,220 --> 00:57:58,190
which Mike don't trip--
the credit.
1300
00:57:58,230 --> 00:58:01,140
The world thinks
that Suge did this on his own.
1301
00:58:15,070 --> 00:58:17,100
Mike's in jail, but he's got
a wife, he's got a kid.
1302
00:58:17,140 --> 00:58:18,230
You know,
he's got family out here.
1303
00:58:19,030 --> 00:58:21,000
He's got people
he's taking care of.
1304
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,100
So you know, his reaction
is he's stunned.
1305
00:58:23,140 --> 00:58:24,190
Then, he's kind of
mad about it, you know?
1306
00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:26,130
You know,
"How you gonna punk me?"
1307
00:58:26,170 --> 00:58:30,150
The phone was never blocked
1308
00:58:30,190 --> 00:58:34,190
because it always had cats
calling from the pen.
1309
00:58:34,230 --> 00:58:38,150
Harry O., uh,
wasn't the only one.
1310
00:58:38,190 --> 00:58:41,230
But after a while,
I even remember--
1311
00:58:42,030 --> 00:58:44,180
and I think
it was because of Harry--
1312
00:58:44,220 --> 00:58:46,180
that they then blocked
the phone
1313
00:58:46,220 --> 00:58:49,020
where it couldn't
take no more calls.
1314
00:58:49,060 --> 00:58:51,170
David Kenner started off
1315
00:58:51,210 --> 00:58:54,160
to play these guys
against each other.
1316
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:57,050
Once the rift between Suge
and Mike happened,
1317
00:58:57,090 --> 00:59:01,060
Dave Kenner had to pledge
allegiance one way or the other.
1318
00:59:01,100 --> 00:59:03,040
(Sam Gideon Anson)
Throughout this time,
even if Suge
1319
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:06,040
was denying
his partnership with Michael
1320
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:08,190
or denying that Michael
had any role in the company,
1321
00:59:08,230 --> 00:59:11,060
David would be going up
to visit Michael
1322
00:59:11,100 --> 00:59:13,140
and saying,
"Oh, no, everything's okay.
1323
00:59:13,180 --> 00:59:15,080
"There's no problem,
everything's fine.
1324
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,000
"We're gonna get
this taken care of.
1325
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:20,190
It reminds me of the--
Brutus and Caesar.
1326
00:59:20,230 --> 00:59:22,160
(Sam Gideon Anson)
At some point,
Michael gets a hold
1327
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,230
of the incorporation paperwork
of Death Row Records
1328
00:59:25,030 --> 00:59:27,040
and realizes
that Suge and David Kenner
1329
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:29,180
had set up a different company
of Death Row Records
1330
00:59:29,220 --> 00:59:31,150
that was independent
of this GF Entertainment
1331
00:59:31,190 --> 00:59:33,160
Michael had had a hand in.
1332
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,010
And I think Michael
began to suspect
1333
00:59:36,050 --> 00:59:38,140
that things were not so kosher
with their partnership.
1334
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:47,010
He the one told Dave, "Hey, look
at this, man, that guy Suge.
1335
00:59:47,050 --> 00:59:49,080
"I like him,
go talk to him.
1336
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:50,170
"Okay, a record company?
1337
00:59:50,210 --> 00:59:52,020
"Okay, I give you
this amount of money.
1338
00:59:52,060 --> 00:59:53,160
You tell him to do this."
1339
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:56,010
Okay, then him and Suge talking,
Suge's going to visit him.
1340
00:59:56,050 --> 00:59:58,030
"Suge, check this out--
put it down like this, man.
1341
00:59:58,070 --> 01:00:00,010
"Put it down like that.
You do--
1342
01:00:00,050 --> 01:00:02,030
"David, you do this part--
keep him out of jail.
1343
01:00:02,070 --> 01:00:03,170
You make sure
you keep him out of jail."
1344
01:00:03,210 --> 01:00:05,100
That's how Suge got all them
probations and stuff,
1345
01:00:05,140 --> 01:00:07,160
Dave fighting like he crazy
to keep him out of jail
1346
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,050
'cause Mike
telling him to.
1347
01:00:09,090 --> 01:00:10,050
"Keep him out of jail."
1348
01:00:10,090 --> 01:00:11,070
But guess what?
1349
01:00:11,110 --> 01:00:13,200
Soon as the money
come in, "Who?
1350
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:15,020
Harry O.?"
1351
01:00:15,060 --> 01:00:16,100
They turned Scooby Doo on him--
1352
01:00:16,140 --> 01:00:17,080
"Who-- who--
who's that?"
1353
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:18,200
You know.
1354
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:20,090
Mike said,
"Well, where's the money at?"
1355
01:00:20,130 --> 01:00:24,040
And they said, "You know,
it's gonna be 60 to 90 days,
1356
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:26,170
you know, before we see
a royalty check."
1357
01:00:26,210 --> 01:00:30,110
So those 60 and 90 days
turned into a year.
1358
01:00:37,010 --> 01:00:39,110
I went over and met
with David Cohen.
1359
01:00:39,150 --> 01:00:41,080
He said, "Well, you know,
what if we don't pay you?"
1360
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:43,190
And I told him,
"I'm not threatening you,
1361
01:00:43,230 --> 01:00:45,090
"but I'm gonna go
on national TV
1362
01:00:45,130 --> 01:00:47,020
and tell what really happened."
1363
01:00:47,060 --> 01:00:50,060
(Doug Young)
Everybody knew Harry O.
wasn't no joke, okay?
1364
01:00:50,100 --> 01:00:53,010
Everybody knew
Harry O. had chips.
1365
01:00:53,050 --> 01:00:55,010
And all you gotta do is be
no joke and have chips,
1366
01:00:55,050 --> 01:00:57,060
and you can get
somebody handled.
1367
01:00:57,100 --> 01:00:59,090
(Jewell)
That's when Michael
typed up a letter.
1368
01:00:59,130 --> 01:01:02,050
(Sam Gideon Anson)
Michael put
his concerns on paper
1369
01:01:02,090 --> 01:01:05,080
in the form of a lawsuit
1370
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:07,200
that could have been filed,
that was never filed,
1371
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,150
laying out his grievances
as to how he had been
1372
01:01:10,190 --> 01:01:12,010
a founding partner
in Death Row Records
1373
01:01:12,050 --> 01:01:14,200
and had been denied his fair
share of the proceeds.
1374
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:16,160
That lawsuit
was shown to Interscope,
1375
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:18,190
and Interscope paid a fairly
generous settlement
1376
01:01:18,230 --> 01:01:20,190
to make it go away
before it ever got filed.
1377
01:01:30,020 --> 01:01:33,040
That next day,
I got a call.
1378
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:36,020
They told me that Mike was,
in, like, a wheelchair.
1379
01:01:36,060 --> 01:01:38,070
His mouth was twisted.
1380
01:01:38,110 --> 01:01:39,120
I mean,
he couldn't even walk.
1381
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:41,020
He couldn't even use
his hands.
1382
01:01:41,060 --> 01:01:43,070
He couldn't do nothing--
I said, "What happened?"
1383
01:01:43,110 --> 01:01:45,170
And that's when the doctor said
he had Guillain-Barré.
1384
01:01:45,210 --> 01:01:47,220
And I asked Mike--
I said, "Well, did,
1385
01:01:48,020 --> 01:01:50,150
you know,
Kenner give you anything?"
1386
01:02:06,190 --> 01:02:10,230
I'd started thinking,
at least to myself,
1387
01:02:11,030 --> 01:02:14,120
that Suge was getting himself
caught up
1388
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:18,180
into too many situations
that were unhealthy.
1389
01:02:18,220 --> 01:02:20,230
He had created an image
that was working for him.
1390
01:02:21,030 --> 01:02:23,000
And sometimes, the image
merged with reality.
1391
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,110
And I'm not sure
that as time went on,
1392
01:02:25,150 --> 01:02:27,220
that Suge
didn't draw the line
1393
01:02:28,020 --> 01:02:30,010
between when there
was the image
1394
01:02:30,050 --> 01:02:31,130
and when
there was the reality.
1395
01:02:31,170 --> 01:02:33,020
Suge wasn't a gangsta.
1396
01:02:33,060 --> 01:02:34,230
Suge came from
a family.
1397
01:02:35,030 --> 01:02:37,180
His mother and father
are still together.
1398
01:02:37,220 --> 01:02:40,000
He was
a college football player.
1399
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:43,130
I feel I got a whole, whole lot
of street credibility,
1400
01:02:43,170 --> 01:02:46,090
street smarts,
and at the same time,
1401
01:02:46,130 --> 01:02:48,150
I graduated from college.
1402
01:02:48,190 --> 01:02:51,010
You know, I--
I hit the books,
1403
01:02:51,050 --> 01:02:52,100
and I put both of them together.
1404
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:10,100
He ran that company
like it was his gang.
1405
01:03:10,140 --> 01:03:13,050
That's his family.
1406
01:03:13,090 --> 01:03:16,040
He might not love us,
but he made us think he did.
1407
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:17,230
(Virgil)
A lot of what followed
in part had to do
1408
01:03:18,030 --> 01:03:20,190
with trying
to establish Death Row
1409
01:03:20,230 --> 01:03:23,130
as the label with the most
street credibility,
1410
01:03:23,170 --> 01:03:25,120
and we're really
doing gangsta rap,
1411
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:26,210
and we're keeping it real,
1412
01:03:27,010 --> 01:03:28,080
and we're
keeping it legitimate.
1413
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:30,040
And so, when you guys
get out the joint,
1414
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:31,220
you can come get a job with me,
that sort of thing.
1415
01:03:32,020 --> 01:03:33,220
I ain't never had
a job before in my life
1416
01:03:34,020 --> 01:03:35,190
until I start working for Suge.
1417
01:03:35,230 --> 01:03:37,080
You know,
I was in and out of jail.
1418
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:38,220
You know what I'm saying?
1419
01:03:39,020 --> 01:03:40,230
Did a little bit of everything,
you know what I'm saying?
1420
01:03:41,030 --> 01:03:43,170
Now, I'm-- pssh-- you know
what I'm saying?
1421
01:03:43,210 --> 01:03:45,020
Yeah, a lot of them cats
that was up there
1422
01:03:45,060 --> 01:03:47,020
was fresh out
of the penitentiary
1423
01:03:47,060 --> 01:03:48,210
with that penitentiary
mentality.
1424
01:03:49,010 --> 01:03:51,020
It was like
working at a prison
1425
01:03:51,060 --> 01:03:54,090
with no guns, no knives,
no nothing.
1426
01:03:54,130 --> 01:03:57,160
you just had to be in there
on your own and handle it.
1427
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:59,140
How many companies
do you know
1428
01:03:59,180 --> 01:04:01,200
can have some Crips
and Bloods up there?
1429
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:02,210
Crips and Bloods.
1430
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:18,060
At first, I was totally
with Death Row's concept
1431
01:04:18,100 --> 01:04:20,090
'cause it was about time
we had a brother out there, man,
1432
01:04:20,130 --> 01:04:22,060
that wasn't taking no shit
from these companies,
1433
01:04:22,100 --> 01:04:24,070
that wasn't
paying brothers their money.
1434
01:04:24,110 --> 01:04:25,120
So I was totally with it.
1435
01:04:26,140 --> 01:04:28,210
It was when the nonsense
got too out of hand.
1436
01:04:29,010 --> 01:04:31,050
We had a system
of that kind of thing,
1437
01:04:31,090 --> 01:04:33,200
sort of like a demerit system
for artists and so on,
1438
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:35,100
and for some
of the office workers.
1439
01:04:35,140 --> 01:04:37,110
Say something wrong,
you get smacked.
1440
01:04:37,150 --> 01:04:39,010
If you come
late, you get smacked.
1441
01:04:39,050 --> 01:04:41,160
If you do this,
you get smacked.
1442
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:43,090
(laughs)
That sounds to me--
1443
01:04:43,130 --> 01:04:45,200
To me, it was like
pimps and hoes.
1444
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:50,010
(Doug Young)
I just knew how after a while,
Suge was unapproachable.
1445
01:04:50,050 --> 01:04:52,220
You couldn't
really talk to him no more.
1446
01:04:53,020 --> 01:04:55,110
You know, I just--
I just knew it.
1447
01:04:55,150 --> 01:04:56,210
There was no more
talking to this guy.
1448
01:04:57,010 --> 01:05:00,060
Man, this guy is
the fucking man.
1449
01:05:00,100 --> 01:05:04,160
The company was, by no ways,
forms, or fashion, Hollywood.
1450
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:05,190
You know how white folks
like to do.
1451
01:05:05,230 --> 01:05:07,210
They like
to scream at each other.
1452
01:05:08,010 --> 01:05:10,180
They-- "I'm gonna get
my lawyer on you."
1453
01:05:10,220 --> 01:05:13,070
But the new brothers
wasn't doing it like that.
1454
01:05:13,110 --> 01:05:16,170
They was coming through doors,
coming through windows,
1455
01:05:16,210 --> 01:05:18,060
and the whole nine
on people.
1456
01:05:18,100 --> 01:05:20,000
You know, these rappers
are from the street.
1457
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:21,190
They're not
used to nothing else.
1458
01:05:21,230 --> 01:05:25,050
So you have to deal with ''em
in the street mentality.
1459
01:05:25,090 --> 01:05:27,060
I heard somebody
once describe them
1460
01:05:27,100 --> 01:05:30,020
as all thinking they were in
a "Godfather" movie.
1461
01:05:30,060 --> 01:05:33,100
Suge was famous for applying
the old Mafia tactics,
1462
01:05:33,140 --> 01:05:35,000
that you instill
fear in everybody.
1463
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:37,020
And a guy just walks in,
he wants to--
1464
01:05:37,060 --> 01:05:39,110
he has no idea we're in
the middle of a meeting.
1465
01:05:39,150 --> 01:05:41,000
He wants a record deal,
he walks in,
1466
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:42,230
and he says
he knows how to rap.
1467
01:05:43,030 --> 01:05:47,000
So Suge says, "Okay, rap.
1468
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:49,090
If we don't like what you do,
we gonna kick your ass."
1469
01:05:49,130 --> 01:05:52,140
He said maybe three words,
and they just lit his ass up.
1470
01:05:52,180 --> 01:05:55,070
I've seen people
get beat up.
1471
01:05:55,110 --> 01:05:58,150
You understand I've seen people
get that door locked on 'em,
1472
01:05:58,190 --> 01:06:01,160
the infamous door-locking...
(laughs)
1473
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:05,030
when they take you in a room
and touch you up and down.
1474
01:06:05,070 --> 01:06:07,010
I wasn't the only lady
that got beat up.
1475
01:06:11,140 --> 01:06:15,020
But I was the only lady
beat up and he held down.
1476
01:06:15,060 --> 01:06:19,080
Suge grabbed me by my feet,
and everything went haywire.
1477
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:21,120
This girl cold-cocked me.
1478
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:25,070
She loosened up my teeth,
and I had two black eyes.
1479
01:06:25,110 --> 01:06:28,120
David Kenner
stood up and watched.
1480
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:31,000
Somebody else videotaped it,
1481
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:32,210
and I kicked
Suge in his nuts,
1482
01:06:33,010 --> 01:06:34,230
and I got the hell up
out of there.
1483
01:06:35,030 --> 01:06:38,080
I have not laid eyes
on Suge since that day.
1484
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:41,020
He won't lay eyes on me
till he see this.
1485
01:06:50,100 --> 01:06:52,070
(Doug Young)
All that drama that people knew
that was happening
1486
01:06:52,110 --> 01:06:55,080
right there at Death Row
on that 12th floor--
1487
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:59,080
this is at the building right
down near the UCLA on Wilshire--
1488
01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:01,220
it never leaked over
to the Interscope side.
1489
01:07:02,020 --> 01:07:02,230
You know,
you see the Interscope.
1490
01:07:03,030 --> 01:07:04,130
Interscope looks nice, woody.
1491
01:07:04,170 --> 01:07:07,040
Things say
"Interscope Records," and...
1492
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:09,140
they get into reception--
Death Row is just a door.
1493
01:07:09,180 --> 01:07:11,040
(laughing)
It's...
1494
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:13,200
It was just
a mahogany door--
1495
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:17,160
colored door--
with a camera.
1496
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:20,020
(Snoop Dogg)
D.O.C. and RBX both
had problems with Suge.
1497
01:07:20,060 --> 01:07:22,140
They seen what type of person
he was on the inside.
1498
01:07:22,180 --> 01:07:25,020
Not to say nothing bad or not
to say nothing good about him,
1499
01:07:25,060 --> 01:07:26,190
but they seen
the type of person he was.
1500
01:07:26,230 --> 01:07:28,130
And through the grace of God
and good attorneys,
1501
01:07:28,170 --> 01:07:30,060
they were able to leave.
1502
01:07:30,100 --> 01:07:32,100
Everybody else was forced
in a chokehold after that.
1503
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:42,230
(Frank Alexander)
Tupac Shakur was not
before his time,
1504
01:07:43,030 --> 01:07:46,040
but one of a kind
of his time and era.
1505
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:49,090
He was a movie star, and for him
to be doing street stuff
1506
01:07:49,130 --> 01:07:51,170
gave him, like,
sort of a Marlon Brando edge,
1507
01:07:51,210 --> 01:07:54,010
the outlaw who was living life
1508
01:07:54,050 --> 01:07:56,160
in some romantic
Ernest Hemingway world
1509
01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:58,120
where you lived out
your art.
1510
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:00,070
He had
that almost uncontrollable,
1511
01:08:00,110 --> 01:08:02,180
defiant attitude.
1512
01:08:02,220 --> 01:08:04,090
I got a big mouth,
can't help it.
1513
01:08:04,130 --> 01:08:06,210
I talk from my heart, I'm real,
you know what I'm saying?
1514
01:08:07,010 --> 01:08:08,110
Whatever comes, comes.
1515
01:08:08,150 --> 01:08:10,230
But my controversy, probably--
and it's not my fault.
1516
01:08:11,030 --> 01:08:12,020
I'm trying to find
my way in the world.
1517
01:08:12,060 --> 01:08:13,100
You know,
I'm trying to be somebody
1518
01:08:13,140 --> 01:08:15,160
instead of just make money
off everybody.
1519
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:17,100
Tupac's gift
was the ability
1520
01:08:17,140 --> 01:08:19,060
to take somebody else's
pain and story
1521
01:08:19,100 --> 01:08:20,130
and translate it.
1522
01:08:20,170 --> 01:08:23,010
We, as rappers,
bought that violence.
1523
01:08:23,050 --> 01:08:24,200
We bought the violence
that we seen on the street,
1524
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:25,220
and we put it in our records,
1525
01:08:26,020 --> 01:08:27,100
put it in our records
for years.
1526
01:08:27,140 --> 01:08:28,150
And after three, four years,
1527
01:08:28,190 --> 01:08:30,170
people finally
starting to see it
1528
01:08:30,210 --> 01:08:32,200
because of all the statistics
that's going on in the streets.
1529
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:34,070
If we stop talking about it,
1530
01:08:34,110 --> 01:08:35,170
then they wouldn't
take statistics.
1531
01:08:35,210 --> 01:08:37,030
And when they stop
taking statistics,
1532
01:08:37,070 --> 01:08:38,080
then we'd be killing each other
in the street,
1533
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:39,230
and these white people
wouldn't care no more.
1534
01:08:40,030 --> 01:08:42,130
He would definitely give you
something to think about.
1535
01:08:42,170 --> 01:08:43,160
I know some
of y'all white folks
1536
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:44,200
and some of y'all
black folks
1537
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:46,160
don't appreciate
what we talking about,
1538
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:48,150
but this is the only way
we got to make money.
1539
01:08:48,190 --> 01:08:50,180
And if you don't let me
make my money on the streets,
1540
01:08:50,220 --> 01:08:54,050
I guarantee you, I will make
my money on the streets.
1541
01:08:54,090 --> 01:08:56,020
A lot of people
say the same things
1542
01:08:56,060 --> 01:08:58,120
or have said the same things
as Pac,
1543
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:00,220
but Tupac made it believable.
1544
01:09:01,020 --> 01:09:02,040
'Cause at first,
I always thought
1545
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:06,050
he was just a crazy, arrogant,
little idiot.
1546
01:09:06,090 --> 01:09:08,080
But I didn't
really know how deep he was.
1547
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:09,140
We have to be honest
about the tools
1548
01:09:09,180 --> 01:09:11,130
that we use to survive.
1549
01:09:11,170 --> 01:09:16,000
And why is
a black life any--
1550
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:19,140
any more... recoupable
than a white life?
1551
01:09:19,180 --> 01:09:21,000
You know what I'm saying?
1552
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:22,090
We know that they don't put
the same security
1553
01:09:22,130 --> 01:09:24,110
in the ghetto
that they do in the white--
1554
01:09:24,150 --> 01:09:25,200
in the white neighborhoods.
1555
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,160
What I saw in Tupac
was someone
1556
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:32,200
who had a desire
to be successful,
1557
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:36,160
and he only had two
or three avenues.
1558
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:39,220
One was rapping,
one was acting,
1559
01:09:40,020 --> 01:09:44,140
and the other was going
into the movement
1560
01:09:44,180 --> 01:09:46,190
that his family came out of.
1561
01:09:46,230 --> 01:09:49,010
His mother
was a Black Panther.
1562
01:09:49,050 --> 01:09:51,080
All of the anger, frustration,
and everything
1563
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:53,070
that she was dealing with
in what was going on
1564
01:09:53,110 --> 01:09:56,100
with her
at that time in her life
1565
01:09:56,140 --> 01:09:58,200
was feeding right into him.
1566
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:02,020
When Tupac was a kid,
for punishment,
1567
01:10:02,060 --> 01:10:04,210
she would make him read
"The New York Times"
1568
01:10:05,010 --> 01:10:06,130
cover to cover.
1569
01:10:06,170 --> 01:10:08,140
And at the end of the day,
1570
01:10:08,180 --> 01:10:10,070
he would be quizzed
on everything
1571
01:10:10,110 --> 01:10:12,020
he read out of the paper.
1572
01:10:12,060 --> 01:10:16,060
Tupac, well aware of what
his mother had gone through,
1573
01:10:16,100 --> 01:10:17,180
brought that into the '90s
1574
01:10:17,220 --> 01:10:20,170
because nothing had changed
in the '60s to the '90s
1575
01:10:20,210 --> 01:10:23,200
as far as he saw
with his race of people.
1576
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:25,110
I don't know how
to be responsible
1577
01:10:25,150 --> 01:10:26,230
for what every black male did.
1578
01:10:27,030 --> 01:10:28,030
I don't know.
1579
01:10:28,070 --> 01:10:30,090
Yes, I am gonna say
that I'm a thug.
1580
01:10:30,130 --> 01:10:33,090
That's because I came from
the gutter, and I'm still here.
1581
01:10:33,130 --> 01:10:35,120
I'm not saying I'm a thug
'cause I want to rob you
1582
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:36,230
and rape people and things.
1583
01:10:37,030 --> 01:10:38,160
I'm a businessman.
1584
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:39,220
I mean, you know
I'm a businessman
1585
01:10:40,020 --> 01:10:43,010
because you find me
at my places of business.
1586
01:10:43,050 --> 01:10:45,110
(Jeffrey Jolson-Colburn)
Tupac was a star at Interscope,
1587
01:10:45,150 --> 01:10:47,090
and Interscope had their hands
full with him.
1588
01:10:47,130 --> 01:10:50,070
He was in jail
and in trouble.
1589
01:10:50,110 --> 01:10:52,210
He just had got beat up
by the police.
1590
01:10:53,010 --> 01:10:54,210
He had a lawsuit
going to them that he won,
1591
01:10:55,010 --> 01:10:57,180
and he was getting just harassed
for anything.
1592
01:10:57,220 --> 01:11:00,020
I mean, you know, they just
start throwing him on the news
1593
01:11:00,050 --> 01:11:01,120
as the bad guy of rap
1594
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:03,020
when he really
wasn't that person.
1595
01:11:03,060 --> 01:11:05,070
I appreciate the press
that you're giving me,
1596
01:11:05,110 --> 01:11:08,140
for giving me a fair trial
and a fair shot at justice.
1597
01:11:08,180 --> 01:11:10,040
I thank you from the bottom
of my heart
1598
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:12,130
for just destroying
everything I worked for
1599
01:11:12,170 --> 01:11:15,050
for the past 22 years,
and a Happy New Year to you too.
1600
01:11:15,090 --> 01:11:16,200
Tupac was in the news
every day.
1601
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:19,220
I mean, you can't buy
that kind of publicity.
1602
01:11:20,020 --> 01:11:23,100
It's unfortunate the kinds
of media coverage that they got,
1603
01:11:23,140 --> 01:11:25,180
but it added to sales.
1604
01:11:25,220 --> 01:11:28,090
People didn't know Pac had,
like, 15 cases
1605
01:11:28,130 --> 01:11:30,060
in different states in America.
1606
01:11:30,100 --> 01:11:32,000
We would go do a show,
1607
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:33,170
Pac would go
straight to court
1608
01:11:33,210 --> 01:11:35,150
soon as we get off
the airplane.
1609
01:11:35,190 --> 01:11:37,120
Don't block my way,
and don't hit my lawyer.
1610
01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:40,200
(Virgil Roberts)
Great artists are almost
always out of step
1611
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:42,230
with what's going on
in society
1612
01:11:43,030 --> 01:11:44,090
'cause they see
the world differently
1613
01:11:44,130 --> 01:11:45,170
and they act differently.
1614
01:11:45,210 --> 01:11:47,230
The last situation he got into,
1615
01:11:48,030 --> 01:11:50,110
Interscope kind of, like,
left him for dead.
1616
01:11:50,150 --> 01:11:52,030
They weren't really
fucking with Pac like that.
1617
01:11:52,070 --> 01:11:53,210
Shakur and another man
were accused
1618
01:11:54,010 --> 01:11:56,190
of sexually assaulting and
sodomizing a 21-year-old woman
1619
01:11:56,230 --> 01:11:58,150
in their hotel room
last year.
1620
01:11:58,190 --> 01:11:59,190
It's not
a crime for me to be
1621
01:11:59,230 --> 01:12:01,150
with any girl I want
to be with.
1622
01:12:01,190 --> 01:12:04,200
It's a crime for that girl
to turn that into a rape charge.
1623
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:07,020
It was her
who sodomized me.
1624
01:12:07,060 --> 01:12:09,000
It wasn't me who went down
to the dance club
1625
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:10,110
and ate her out.
1626
01:12:10,150 --> 01:12:13,090
It was her in the dance club
who had oral sex with me.
1627
01:12:13,130 --> 01:12:15,010
She should be charged,
not me.
1628
01:12:15,050 --> 01:12:16,210
Last night,
or just after midnight,
1629
01:12:17,010 --> 01:12:19,160
at 723 Seventh Avenue--
1630
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:22,200
that's between
48th and 49th Street--
1631
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:27,020
our rap star, Tupac Shakur,
and three members of his group
1632
01:12:27,060 --> 01:12:29,010
were robbed and shot.
1633
01:12:29,050 --> 01:12:32,020
(Kevin Powell)
The word on the streets is
that it was a warning to Tupac.
1634
01:12:32,060 --> 01:12:34,040
Who was it coming from?
1635
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:35,230
(reporter)
In a bizarre twist
of events,
1636
01:12:36,030 --> 01:12:38,200
rap singer Tupac Shakur
checked himself out
1637
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:41,080
of Bellevue Hospital
late Wednesday night
1638
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:44,050
after the 23-year-old was shot
five times
1639
01:12:44,090 --> 01:12:46,180
early that same morning
inside the lobby
1640
01:12:46,220 --> 01:12:49,060
of a Times Square
recording studio.
1641
01:12:49,100 --> 01:12:50,120
(reporter 2)
Shakur had appeared
in court today,
1642
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:52,090
but had little to say
about being shot.
1643
01:12:52,130 --> 01:12:53,230
(reporter 3)
Mr. Shakur, how are you
this morning?
1644
01:12:54,030 --> 01:12:56,040
(reporter 4)
After three days
of deliberations,
1645
01:12:56,080 --> 01:13:00,080
the jury has finally decided
the fate of rapper Tupac Shakur.
1646
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:03,020
Guilty on three counts
of sexual abuse,
1647
01:13:03,060 --> 01:13:06,230
he now faces 1 1/2
to 4 1/2 years in prison.
1648
01:13:07,030 --> 01:13:10,210
The main impetus for the
incarceration of Mr. Shakur
1649
01:13:11,010 --> 01:13:13,100
was from City Hall,
Mr. Giuliani himself.
1650
01:13:13,140 --> 01:13:16,120
Being 23, being black, and last
name being Shakur in America,
1651
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:19,000
he never had a chance.
1652
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:23,140
Tupac was in jail,
and he wanted out of jail,
1653
01:13:23,180 --> 01:13:25,070
and he wanted
out of jail badly.
1654
01:13:25,110 --> 01:13:27,180
No one, including Interscope,
was putting up
1655
01:13:27,220 --> 01:13:30,070
any bail money
to get him out,
1656
01:13:30,110 --> 01:13:33,170
and his bail was set
at $1.4 million.
1657
01:13:33,210 --> 01:13:35,020
A lot of people
on the East Coast,
1658
01:13:35,060 --> 01:13:37,100
a lot of people in New York City
dissed him hard, man.
1659
01:13:37,140 --> 01:13:38,230
They dissed him on the radio.
1660
01:13:39,030 --> 01:13:41,160
No one went to go visit him
except for a few people.
1661
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:44,080
And he wanted
to be number one again.
1662
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:46,080
So where else do you go
1663
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:48,220
but to where
the other number-one people are?
1664
01:13:49,020 --> 01:13:51,040
(Allen Gordon)
Death Row Records
had been trying
1665
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:53,100
to get Tupac for some time.
1666
01:13:53,140 --> 01:13:55,060
If you got Suge Knight
dangling in front of you,
1667
01:13:55,100 --> 01:13:59,040
you know, freedom, freedom,
money, power, respect,
1668
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:01,040
can get you out of jail,
how else you gonna go for it?
1669
01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:03,230
You got a scared young man,
first time behind bars.
1670
01:14:04,030 --> 01:14:06,000
He's supposed to be
back there for four years.
1671
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:09,220
And Pac promised him in return,
"You get me out of here,
1672
01:14:10,020 --> 01:14:11,180
"I'll put Death Row
on the map.
1673
01:14:11,220 --> 01:14:14,150
My first CD will
sell six million copies."
1674
01:14:14,190 --> 01:14:15,220
And I don't think
it's a coincidence
1675
01:14:16,020 --> 01:14:18,120
that Suge wanted him on
Death Row Records so badly
1676
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:21,170
because even though Snoop
was a huge star,
1677
01:14:21,210 --> 01:14:23,060
he didn't have what Tupac had,
1678
01:14:23,100 --> 01:14:28,040
that kind of icon presence,
like a James Dean or Elvis.
1679
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:32,180
Now, I heard that he had Pac
sign a contract on toilet paper.
1680
01:14:32,220 --> 01:14:34,110
(laughs)
1681
01:14:34,150 --> 01:14:35,210
I don't know how true it is,
1682
01:14:36,010 --> 01:14:39,210
but I know when Pac came back...
he was ready.
1683
01:14:40,010 --> 01:14:41,230
(Frank Alexander)
Tupac got out September of '95.
1684
01:14:42,030 --> 01:14:43,070
He went to Death Row Records.
1685
01:14:43,110 --> 01:14:44,190
That's the day
he got off the plane,
1686
01:14:44,230 --> 01:14:46,200
and they laid down
their first track
1687
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:49,000
for "All Eyez on Me"
in 15 minutes.
1688
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:52,090
This album is more
celebratory of life,
1689
01:14:52,130 --> 01:14:58,090
um, upbeat, energetic,
fun, I think,
1690
01:14:58,130 --> 01:15:01,110
but it's also harsher
in terms of the language
1691
01:15:01,150 --> 01:15:04,100
because I didn't-- I've been
in jail for 11 1/2 months.
1692
01:15:04,140 --> 01:15:07,060
(Ton Def)
Tupac brought the feeling
of "I was nothing,
1693
01:15:07,100 --> 01:15:08,140
"now I'm something,
1694
01:15:08,180 --> 01:15:10,120
"and I want everybody else
to be something too.
1695
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:12,020
If I can do it,
you can do it."
1696
01:15:12,060 --> 01:15:13,210
He stirred up
the whole group there.
1697
01:15:14,010 --> 01:15:16,010
He got them all going
and all working.
1698
01:15:16,050 --> 01:15:18,090
He made sure
that every artist at Death Row
1699
01:15:18,130 --> 01:15:20,170
had some part
of this double CD.
1700
01:15:20,210 --> 01:15:23,090
It was his way of saying,
"Look, I'm part of the family,
1701
01:15:23,130 --> 01:15:25,140
and I want you
on my album,"
1702
01:15:25,180 --> 01:15:27,040
which he did
not have to do.
1703
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:28,120
Like, I remember doing a session
with him, you know,
1704
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:30,060
and it seemed like he was
just running around, having fun,
1705
01:15:30,100 --> 01:15:31,140
just partying, you know,
having a good time.
1706
01:15:31,180 --> 01:15:32,220
But the man was done.
1707
01:15:33,020 --> 01:15:35,070
We thought that he didn't
even write 'em.
1708
01:15:35,110 --> 01:15:37,040
We thought he came
with his lyrics already.
1709
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:38,230
But no, he wrote 'em
that day.
1710
01:15:39,030 --> 01:15:40,150
And that's just
how sharp he was, man.
1711
01:15:40,190 --> 01:15:42,130
(Suge Knight)
You had people
around the studio saying,
1712
01:15:42,170 --> 01:15:44,050
"Man, we gotta
get like Pac.
1713
01:15:44,090 --> 01:15:45,210
"Pac just go in there,
kick 'em in, kick 'em out,
1714
01:15:46,010 --> 01:15:47,070
kick 'em in, kick 'em out."
1715
01:15:47,110 --> 01:15:48,190
And that's
all they'd talk about,
1716
01:15:48,230 --> 01:15:50,140
and that's exactly what
they were doing.
1717
01:15:50,180 --> 01:15:52,110
He made
the level of competition,
1718
01:15:52,150 --> 01:15:53,170
which is a good thing.
1719
01:15:53,210 --> 01:15:55,110
He brought
that level up.
1720
01:15:55,150 --> 01:15:57,000
Any of the artists
will tell you
1721
01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:59,210
that what Tupac
put into them was this business
1722
01:16:00,020 --> 01:16:02,140
of the work ethic,
where you can do more
1723
01:16:02,180 --> 01:16:04,180
if you just work at it.
1724
01:16:04,220 --> 01:16:07,020
When Tupac came,
it's like Suge wasn't worried
1725
01:16:07,060 --> 01:16:10,010
about nobody else, not Snoop,
nobody at the time.
1726
01:16:10,050 --> 01:16:10,200
Nobody.
1727
01:16:36,100 --> 01:16:38,180
Around the time that Tupac
got out of jail,
1728
01:16:38,220 --> 01:16:42,180
Sean "Puffy" Combs
was about to become,
1729
01:16:42,220 --> 01:16:45,040
I would say, the East Coast
version of Suge Knight,
1730
01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:46,130
with Bad Boy Records.
1731
01:16:46,170 --> 01:16:50,020
You know, his first big artist
was the Notorious B.I.G.
1732
01:16:50,060 --> 01:16:52,140
This bullshit about the
East Coast and the West Coast
1733
01:16:52,180 --> 01:16:55,040
started when we went out
to New York
1734
01:16:55,080 --> 01:17:00,020
to do the Source Awards,
and Mr. Knight went onstage.
1735
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:01,130
And he's in New York City,
1736
01:17:01,170 --> 01:17:04,040
and we all know Puffy's
from New York City.
1737
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:06,120
Any artist out there
want to be an artist,
1738
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:09,100
and want to stay a star,
and don't want to have to worry
1739
01:17:09,140 --> 01:17:11,140
about the executive producer
trying to be
1740
01:17:11,180 --> 01:17:16,070
all in the videos,
all on the records, dancing,
1741
01:17:16,110 --> 01:17:17,230
come to Death Row.
1742
01:17:18,030 --> 01:17:21,180
(booing)
1743
01:17:25,010 --> 01:17:27,020
I mean, the whole crowd
started booing.
1744
01:17:27,060 --> 01:17:29,100
And then,
I thought to myself, like,
1745
01:17:29,140 --> 01:17:31,010
"Why would you do that?"
1746
01:17:31,050 --> 01:17:35,010
The East Coast don't love
Dr. Dre and Snoop Dogg?
1747
01:17:35,050 --> 01:17:36,170
The East Coast
ain't got no love
1748
01:17:36,210 --> 01:17:40,040
for Dr. Dre, and Snoop Dogg,
and Death Row?
1749
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:42,090
Y'all don't love us?
1750
01:17:42,130 --> 01:17:44,140
Y'all don't
love us?
1751
01:17:44,180 --> 01:17:46,120
Well, let it
be known then.
1752
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:48,010
We know y'all East Coast.
1753
01:17:48,050 --> 01:17:49,120
We know where
the (...) we at.
1754
01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:51,130
East Coast (...)!
1755
01:17:51,170 --> 01:17:53,060
(booing)
1756
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:58,160
I'm the executive producer
that a comment was made about
1757
01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:01,030
a little bit earlier, but cont--
check this out.
1758
01:18:01,070 --> 01:18:04,050
Contrary to what other people
may feel,
1759
01:18:04,090 --> 01:18:07,190
I would like to say
that I'm very proud of Dr. Dre,
1760
01:18:07,230 --> 01:18:10,220
of Death Row and Suge Knight
for their accomplishments.
1761
01:18:11,020 --> 01:18:12,070
And all this East and West,
that needs to stop.
1762
01:18:12,110 --> 01:18:15,210
It was so... personal.
1763
01:18:16,010 --> 01:18:17,160
Puffy was a good friend
of mine.
1764
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:19,160
(Kevin Powell)
There's enough
room in this business
1765
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:23,110
for two young black males
who are entrepreneurs to exist.
1766
01:18:23,150 --> 01:18:26,220
I mean, can you imagine
if Al Bell and Berry Gordy
1767
01:18:27,020 --> 01:18:28,060
were fighting,
or if The Temptations
1768
01:18:28,100 --> 01:18:29,080
had beef with The Four Tops?
1769
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:30,050
I mean, it sounds
fucking retarded
1770
01:18:30,090 --> 01:18:31,200
when you think about it.
1771
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:34,000
"Yo, The Four Tops got beef
with The Temptations,
1772
01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:35,180
Marvin Gaye and
Smokey Robinson were fighting
1773
01:18:35,220 --> 01:18:37,060
at the Grammy Awards
last night."
1774
01:18:37,100 --> 01:18:39,000
I mean, think
about that for a second.
1775
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:41,040
A lot of people on
the West Coast felt that...
1776
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:46,180
we have always had love
for the East Coast, you know?
1777
01:18:46,220 --> 01:18:49,080
They come here
and break their records.
1778
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:51,180
They come here and play
at the clubs.
1779
01:18:51,220 --> 01:18:53,030
You know,
they come do in-stores.
1780
01:18:53,070 --> 01:18:56,010
We do the whole nine with them
East Coast cats,
1781
01:18:56,050 --> 01:18:58,150
and we go out there,
and we don't get that same love.
1782
01:18:58,190 --> 01:19:01,030
I remember New York DJs
at parties
1783
01:19:01,070 --> 01:19:02,210
refusing to play
West Coast records.
1784
01:19:03,010 --> 01:19:05,090
"They country, they're bamas,
they wear Jheri curls,
1785
01:19:05,130 --> 01:19:07,160
they can't rhyme, they're whack,
it's not danceable."
1786
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:10,050
It was the media
that blew it up, you know?
1787
01:19:10,090 --> 01:19:14,010
You're seeing certain things
that somebody said
1788
01:19:14,050 --> 01:19:16,200
highlighted in magazines
about the West Coast,
1789
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:20,030
and vice versa, and it just--
1790
01:19:20,070 --> 01:19:21,170
it just boiled over
from there.
1791
01:19:21,210 --> 01:19:24,040
All these people talking about
an East Coast-West Coast war,
1792
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:26,040
they like what Judas
was to Jesus.
1793
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:27,160
They only here
to cause confusion.
1794
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:29,090
It made rap music look bad.
1795
01:19:29,130 --> 01:19:31,210
It made rap music
look like
1796
01:19:32,010 --> 01:19:33,220
it was just another
part of the dope game.
1797
01:19:34,020 --> 01:19:36,120
Controversy is what Death Row
started living off of
1798
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:38,040
instead of talent.
1799
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:40,010
If this was chess,
we'd be yelling "checkmate"
1800
01:19:40,050 --> 01:19:41,120
three motherfucking
years ago
1801
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:43,030
'cause we been beat
these motherfuckers.
1802
01:19:43,070 --> 01:19:45,200
Then, the disrespect just
started getting worse and worse
1803
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:48,020
between the West Coast
and the East Coast.
1804
01:19:48,060 --> 01:19:50,010
Overthrow the government y'all
got right now,
1805
01:19:50,050 --> 01:19:52,100
which is Bad Boy,
and Nas, and all that bullshit,
1806
01:19:52,140 --> 01:19:53,220
and we will bring a new
government here
1807
01:19:54,020 --> 01:19:55,210
that will feed
every person in New York.
1808
01:19:56,010 --> 01:19:59,110
And then you had the Tupac
and Big situation,
1809
01:19:59,150 --> 01:20:01,110
you know,
flaming it even more.
1810
01:20:01,150 --> 01:20:03,070
I possess his soul,
his and Puffy's.
1811
01:20:03,110 --> 01:20:05,220
They know
that I was the truest nigga
1812
01:20:06,020 --> 01:20:07,110
involved with Biggie's success.
1813
01:20:07,150 --> 01:20:08,160
I was
the biggest help.
1814
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:09,160
I was the truest nigga.
1815
01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:10,200
I don't write his rhymes,
1816
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:12,230
but he know how much
he borrowed from me.
1817
01:20:13,030 --> 01:20:14,180
He know how I used to stop
my shows
1818
01:20:14,220 --> 01:20:16,040
and let him touch the show,
1819
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:18,030
let him blow up
and do his whole show
1820
01:20:18,070 --> 01:20:19,100
in the middle of my show,
1821
01:20:19,140 --> 01:20:21,040
how I used to buy him shit,
and give him shit,
1822
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:22,150
and never ask for it back,
1823
01:20:22,190 --> 01:20:25,080
how I used to share, how I used
to share my experiences
1824
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:27,210
in the game, and my lessons,
and my rules, and my knowledge
1825
01:20:28,010 --> 01:20:29,110
on the game with him,
you know what I mean?
1826
01:20:29,150 --> 01:20:30,180
He owed me more.
1827
01:20:30,220 --> 01:20:32,030
He owed me more
than to turn his head
1828
01:20:32,070 --> 01:20:33,070
and act like he didn't
know niggas
1829
01:20:33,110 --> 01:20:34,190
was about to blow
my fucking head off.
1830
01:20:34,230 --> 01:20:36,140
He knew,
but for me to know,
1831
01:20:36,180 --> 01:20:38,080
like, three weeks ago,
this happened,
1832
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:40,100
and then three weeks later,
you're album's coming out,
1833
01:20:40,140 --> 01:20:43,000
and you are
a fucking don in your album,
1834
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:45,010
but you don't know who shot me
in your fucking hometown?
1835
01:20:45,050 --> 01:20:46,140
This nigga's from
your neighborhood,
1836
01:20:46,180 --> 01:20:48,070
and I gotta find out
by myself?
1837
01:20:48,110 --> 01:20:50,070
And I don't even
call myself a don.
1838
01:20:50,110 --> 01:20:52,130
I'm just a capo
from the West Side,
1839
01:20:52,170 --> 01:20:53,150
and I'm on the East Side
in jail,
1840
01:20:53,190 --> 01:20:54,170
and I know who touched me,
1841
01:20:54,210 --> 01:20:56,100
and I know
everything that happened.
1842
01:20:56,140 --> 01:20:59,180
Tupac was wrong in blaming
1843
01:20:59,220 --> 01:21:01,070
whoever the individual
figures were
1844
01:21:01,110 --> 01:21:04,080
who actually had something
to do with it in New York,
1845
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:06,210
and making it into
this whole New York City thing
1846
01:21:07,010 --> 01:21:08,200
and then this East Coast-
West Coast thing.
1847
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:10,230
And I think that he definitely
had someone in his ear--
1848
01:21:11,030 --> 01:21:13,060
probably Suge--
exacerbating it.
1849
01:21:13,100 --> 01:21:14,120
It sells records.
1850
01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:16,070
It continues to get
media attention,
1851
01:21:16,110 --> 01:21:18,200
which sells more records.
1852
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:21,010
(Jeffrey Jolson-Colburn)
Tupac had claimed
to have gone out
1853
01:21:21,050 --> 01:21:23,080
with Biggie's wife,
Faith Evans.
1854
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:26,180
This was a great humiliation,
reportedly, for Biggie.
1855
01:21:26,220 --> 01:21:29,110
It was all over.
1856
01:21:29,150 --> 01:21:33,220
We were in Manhattan
shooting a video.
1857
01:21:34,020 --> 01:21:36,190
Biggie Smalls had
gotten on the radio station,
1858
01:21:36,230 --> 01:21:39,170
and Biggie said that,
"I cannot believe
1859
01:21:39,210 --> 01:21:45,030
"that New York is allowing
Tupac and the Dogg Pound
1860
01:21:45,070 --> 01:21:47,070
"to shoot a video
in our city,
1861
01:21:47,110 --> 01:21:49,080
right in the heart
of Times Square."
1862
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:51,100
The words out
of Biggie's mouth was,
1863
01:21:51,140 --> 01:21:54,060
"Tupac and the Dogg Pound."
1864
01:21:54,100 --> 01:21:55,060
And it wasn't.
1865
01:21:55,100 --> 01:21:57,000
It was Snoop
and the Dogg Pound.
1866
01:21:57,040 --> 01:21:58,230
Tupac was not with us.
1867
01:21:59,030 --> 01:22:01,090
Snoop at the time
was having his hair braided,
1868
01:22:01,130 --> 01:22:03,010
and all of the artists
was in the trailer.
1869
01:22:03,050 --> 01:22:05,030
And then,
all of a sudden, gunfire.
1870
01:22:05,070 --> 01:22:06,190
Someone shot into the trailer.
1871
01:22:06,230 --> 01:22:09,220
They weren't shooting in there
to say, you know, "Get out."
1872
01:22:10,020 --> 01:22:12,060
They were shooting
in there to kill someone.
1873
01:22:12,100 --> 01:22:15,210
(Jeffrey Jolson-Colburn)
There was a shift in Tupac
Shakur's lyrical content.
1874
01:22:16,010 --> 01:22:17,200
He, at first,
was more political.
1875
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:21,070
Then, at some point,
he became more street.
1876
01:22:21,110 --> 01:22:24,130
It was West Coast versus
East Coast.
1877
01:22:24,170 --> 01:22:27,150
The person at Riker's Island
was very reflective,
1878
01:22:27,190 --> 01:22:29,130
and he's gonna change
his life, and everything.
1879
01:22:29,170 --> 01:22:33,070
This new person was, like,
"Fuck New York.
1880
01:22:33,110 --> 01:22:35,050
"Fuck the East Coast.
Suge is the man.
1881
01:22:35,090 --> 01:22:36,150
He takes care of me."
1882
01:22:36,190 --> 01:22:38,180
He's flashing money
in front of the MTV cameras.
1883
01:22:38,220 --> 01:22:41,030
It was like, wow--
it was Jekyll and Hyde.
1884
01:22:41,070 --> 01:22:44,030
One of the songs was a song
called "Hit 'Em Up."
1885
01:22:44,070 --> 01:22:47,180
It talked about
killing the Bad Boy camp,
1886
01:22:47,220 --> 01:22:48,200
you know,
different artists.
1887
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:50,050
It was a lot of threats.
1888
01:22:50,090 --> 01:22:53,040
I go, "Pac--" I go,
"Did you hear what you said?"
1889
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:55,180
He was like, "Yeah, nigga,
I wrote it."
1890
01:22:55,220 --> 01:22:59,120
"Okay, um, we're gonna
need some more security,
1891
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:01,220
and you need to start
wearing a vest."
1892
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:08,230
(Hank Caldwell)
Anytime you have this synergy
1893
01:23:09,030 --> 01:23:10,210
between two or more people
1894
01:23:11,010 --> 01:23:12,140
and they make
things happen,
1895
01:23:12,180 --> 01:23:14,090
when you start
breaking that up,
1896
01:23:14,130 --> 01:23:16,030
things are never
the same again.
1897
01:23:16,070 --> 01:23:18,010
When you think about Dr. Dre,
1898
01:23:18,050 --> 01:23:19,130
here's a cat
who's always had
1899
01:23:19,170 --> 01:23:23,060
some sort of big brother
or father figure around him.
1900
01:23:23,100 --> 01:23:25,030
Early on, it was
Alonzo Williams.
1901
01:23:25,070 --> 01:23:27,110
Then, it was Eazy-E,
Jerry Heller.
1902
01:23:27,150 --> 01:23:28,180
Then, it becomes Suge Knight.
1903
01:23:28,220 --> 01:23:30,070
And so, Dre was one
of those cats
1904
01:23:30,110 --> 01:23:32,080
who always needed
guidance from someone else
1905
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:34,090
because Dre is really
an artistic person.
1906
01:23:34,130 --> 01:23:35,230
He's an artist,
he's a true artist.
1907
01:23:36,030 --> 01:23:37,170
Seemed like after a while,
somebody was pulling
1908
01:23:37,210 --> 01:23:41,190
his strings, you know, like
Dre had to answer to somebody.
1909
01:23:41,230 --> 01:23:43,060
(interviewer)
Who do you think that was?
1910
01:23:43,100 --> 01:23:45,010
We all know who that was.
1911
01:23:45,050 --> 01:23:47,050
(Kevin Powell)
The king, i.e. Suge Knight,
1912
01:23:47,090 --> 01:23:49,080
felt the need
to have the court around him,
1913
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:51,210
and I don't think Dre
felt comfortable with that.
1914
01:23:52,010 --> 01:23:54,120
I've got all these people
around me, um...
1915
01:23:55,190 --> 01:23:57,180
How many of 'em
do I really need?
1916
01:23:57,220 --> 01:24:00,040
(Frank Alexander)
Tupac and Dr. Dre
1917
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:02,080
was fine
in the beginning.
1918
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:03,170
Everything was great.
1919
01:24:03,210 --> 01:24:06,010
I mean,
you didn't see any problems.
1920
01:24:06,050 --> 01:24:08,030
From the time that I worked
there in '95
1921
01:24:08,070 --> 01:24:10,040
up until early '96,
1922
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:12,090
Dr. Dre had been
in the studio twice.
1923
01:24:12,130 --> 01:24:15,060
Pac took offense
to that.
1924
01:24:15,100 --> 01:24:17,160
(Tupac Shakur)
He wasn't producing shit.
1925
01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:19,180
Other niggas was producing
the beats like on my albums.
1926
01:24:19,220 --> 01:24:20,200
Other niggas
is doing the beats,
1927
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:22,060
and Dre was getting
the credit.
1928
01:24:22,100 --> 01:24:26,180
Daz and all the other little
producers, and Assassin,
1929
01:24:26,220 --> 01:24:29,200
all the ones we have,
and... they did the tracks.
1930
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:31,070
Dre wasn't doing the tracks,
1931
01:24:31,110 --> 01:24:33,090
and Dre didn't
write the lyrics.
1932
01:24:33,130 --> 01:24:36,070
(Kevin Powell)
Suge basically took on
the role for Tupac
1933
01:24:36,110 --> 01:24:38,160
that he had taken on
for Dre.
1934
01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:39,160
And I don't think
it's a coincidence
1935
01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:41,040
at a certain point,
you know,
1936
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:43,030
Tupac started becoming
the mouthpiece for Suge
1937
01:24:43,070 --> 01:24:45,030
and started dissing Dre.
1938
01:24:45,070 --> 01:24:48,020
(Tupac Shakur)
He is a dope producer,
but he ain't worked in years.
1939
01:24:48,060 --> 01:24:50,120
I'm out here in the streets,
you know what I mean?
1940
01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:52,230
Whooping niggas' asses,
starting wars and shit,
1941
01:24:53,030 --> 01:24:55,190
putting it down,
dropping albums, doing my shit,
1942
01:24:55,230 --> 01:24:58,060
and this nigga taking three
years to do one song.
1943
01:24:58,100 --> 01:24:59,160
I seen the change.
1944
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:02,140
Like, right after we finished
"Murder Was the Case,"
1945
01:25:02,180 --> 01:25:05,010
and we moved
into Can-Am Studios
1946
01:25:05,050 --> 01:25:06,160
and started working
on the "Dogg Food" album.
1947
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:09,150
I just seen that he wasn't
as inspired.
1948
01:25:09,190 --> 01:25:11,120
And it was, like--
it was too many thugs
1949
01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:13,090
and niggas up there
1950
01:25:13,130 --> 01:25:14,220
that didn't have nothing
to do with nothing.
1951
01:25:15,020 --> 01:25:17,040
It was mostly just the way
the studio was, you know?
1952
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:19,010
And that's where I have
to spend most of my time.
1953
01:25:19,050 --> 01:25:20,110
It was not
a work atmosphere anymore.
1954
01:25:20,150 --> 01:25:22,080
It became fun and games.
1955
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:23,160
And the success
had kicked in,
1956
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:25,200
and we were stars,
and motherfuckers just loved
1957
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:28,010
being around us and bringing
bullshit around us,
1958
01:25:28,050 --> 01:25:29,150
and Dre wasn't for that.
1959
01:25:29,190 --> 01:25:32,140
I just didn't like some of
the things that were going on.
1960
01:25:32,180 --> 01:25:34,130
There was nothing being done
to stop it.
1961
01:25:34,170 --> 01:25:36,100
(Snoop Dogg)
Dre likes to work
in an environment
1962
01:25:36,140 --> 01:25:38,130
where he can create,
and everybody's on
1963
01:25:38,170 --> 01:25:40,060
a creative atmosphere,
and it's not about
1964
01:25:40,100 --> 01:25:43,180
what's going on in the hood,
how many niggas you shot,
1965
01:25:43,220 --> 01:25:45,060
and how much shit
you done did.
1966
01:25:45,100 --> 01:25:46,090
It ain't--
he didn't want that.
1967
01:25:46,130 --> 01:25:50,100
Suge took over the company.
1968
01:25:50,140 --> 01:25:53,070
It was no mystery
to nobody.
1969
01:25:53,110 --> 01:25:56,030
I don't think Dre wanted
to be a yes-man for somebody,
1970
01:25:56,070 --> 01:25:59,090
so he wanted
his own situation again.
1971
01:25:59,130 --> 01:26:01,040
So he bailed out.
1972
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:03,150
(man)
He says, "Wait,
I want out of this world.
1973
01:26:03,190 --> 01:26:05,160
"I want to form Aftermath,
where I'm not part
1974
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:07,030
"of Death Row anymore.
1975
01:26:07,070 --> 01:26:09,020
"I want to be beyond that,
I want to be with my family.
1976
01:26:09,060 --> 01:26:10,220
I want to live."
1977
01:26:11,020 --> 01:26:12,130
(Nate Dogg)
When Dr. Dre left
Death Row Records,
1978
01:26:12,170 --> 01:26:14,170
that was the biggest
shock to me
1979
01:26:14,210 --> 01:26:16,230
'cause I was real confused
at how you start a label
1980
01:26:17,030 --> 01:26:20,020
then you leave the label.
1981
01:26:20,060 --> 01:26:21,140
I always figured
if you had a problem
1982
01:26:21,180 --> 01:26:23,130
with somebody on your label,
1983
01:26:23,170 --> 01:26:24,200
you make them
leave the label,
1984
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:26,190
and you go on
with what you're doing.
1985
01:26:26,230 --> 01:26:28,080
I guess that was the way
of learning
1986
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:30,170
that it wasn't
all his label.
1987
01:26:30,210 --> 01:26:34,170
(Suge Knight)
Dre's departure wasn't a loss.
1988
01:26:34,210 --> 01:26:38,090
I mean, if you have
a multimillion-dollar company
1989
01:26:38,130 --> 01:26:41,010
maybe worth a billion dollars
or so,
1990
01:26:41,050 --> 01:26:44,010
and you own it 100%
and don't have a partner,
1991
01:26:44,050 --> 01:26:45,220
and you don't have
to give him nothing
1992
01:26:46,020 --> 01:26:47,230
but his walking papers,
that's great.
1993
01:26:48,030 --> 01:26:50,190
Dre made Death Row Records,
you know what I'm saying?
1994
01:26:50,230 --> 01:26:53,220
And this is absurd that
he's going from one situation
1995
01:26:54,020 --> 01:26:55,170
to another situation,
where he feels
1996
01:26:55,210 --> 01:26:58,020
like he's being
undercompensated.
1997
01:26:58,060 --> 01:27:01,130
To give up 50% of your label
and move on elsewhere
1998
01:27:01,170 --> 01:27:02,200
from a dangerous situation,
1999
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:04,060
which Death Row Records
was becoming,
2000
01:27:04,100 --> 01:27:06,050
and we now
find out that it is,
2001
01:27:06,090 --> 01:27:07,190
was a smart move for him.
2002
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:16,100
♪♪ (tense music)
2003
01:27:16,140 --> 01:27:20,220
(Frank Alexander)
September 7th, we were
just leaving a fight.
2004
01:27:21,020 --> 01:27:25,010
Tupac, Mike Tyson, friends,
were at the fight.
2005
01:27:25,050 --> 01:27:29,110
And we go backstage
to leave the building.
2006
01:27:29,150 --> 01:27:33,170
Immediately after coming
from backstage, um...
2007
01:27:33,210 --> 01:27:36,050
one of Suge's
homeboys came up
2008
01:27:36,090 --> 01:27:37,180
and whispered into Tupac's ear.
2009
01:27:37,220 --> 01:27:39,060
Pac took off running.
2010
01:27:39,100 --> 01:27:43,020
There was a gentleman standing
with a MGM security guard
2011
01:27:43,060 --> 01:27:46,120
by a pillar
as Tupac was approaching him.
2012
01:27:46,160 --> 01:27:48,120
Now, when I think about it,
2013
01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:50,090
the guy was
standing there waiting.
2014
01:27:50,130 --> 01:27:53,110
And Pac ran up on him,
and a fight broke out.
2015
01:27:53,150 --> 01:27:57,110
Orlando Anderson and a couple
of Suge's homeboys
2016
01:27:57,150 --> 01:28:02,090
had gotten into a fight
at the Lakewood Mall
2017
01:28:02,130 --> 01:28:05,200
in California
back in April of '96
2018
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:08,090
over a Death Row chain
2019
01:28:08,130 --> 01:28:13,130
because there was a bounty
on the Death Row chains.
2020
01:28:13,170 --> 01:28:16,090
The same person
that had got into an altercation
2021
01:28:16,130 --> 01:28:18,170
with Orlando Anderson
in the mall
2022
01:28:18,210 --> 01:28:20,180
whispered into Tupac's ear,
2023
01:28:20,220 --> 01:28:23,000
and it caused
this fight.
2024
01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:24,210
They were, you know,
beating Orlando Anderson
2025
01:28:25,010 --> 01:28:26,070
up on the ground.
2026
01:28:26,110 --> 01:28:29,090
Tupac, Suge, and the rest
of the entourage,
2027
01:28:29,130 --> 01:28:32,070
they're pretty much bragging
about what had happened.
2028
01:28:32,110 --> 01:28:34,010
We get back
to the Luxor Hotel.
2029
01:28:34,050 --> 01:28:35,080
So we go up to Tupac's room.
2030
01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:36,140
He changed clothes.
2031
01:28:36,180 --> 01:28:38,050
We come back downstairs.
2032
01:28:38,090 --> 01:28:39,200
We're all just
standing around,
2033
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:40,230
and all the women
are coming out.
2034
01:28:41,030 --> 01:28:42,060
Everybody's ready to,
you know,
2035
01:28:42,100 --> 01:28:46,070
go over to 662,
the afterparty.
2036
01:28:46,110 --> 01:28:50,040
So Tupac turns to me and says,
"No, don't ride with us."
2037
01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:51,160
He hands me
the keys and says,
2038
01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:53,160
"You go drive
the little homeys
2039
01:28:53,200 --> 01:28:55,050
"because we're going
to the club.
2040
01:28:55,090 --> 01:28:57,100
We're gonna be partying,
and you're gonna drive us."
2041
01:28:57,140 --> 01:28:58,170
So I said, "Okay."
2042
01:28:58,210 --> 01:29:01,050
Pac and Suge
get into the BMW.
2043
01:29:01,090 --> 01:29:04,000
We get back onto
the Las Vegas strip.
2044
01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:06,080
Suge's the lead car,
I'm the car right behind him,
2045
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:08,180
and then, there's just cars
all behind us.
2046
01:29:08,220 --> 01:29:11,080
So we turn right off
of Las Vegas Boulevard
2047
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:15,040
onto Flamingo
to go down to 662.
2048
01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:17,090
As we approached the next
stoplight,
2049
01:29:17,130 --> 01:29:20,230
which is Koval and Flamingo,
2050
01:29:21,030 --> 01:29:24,140
there is a car coming down
the open lane
2051
01:29:24,180 --> 01:29:28,110
that is next
to myself and the BMW.
2052
01:29:28,150 --> 01:29:31,160
As the car is approaching,
2053
01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:34,100
I turn
and I look to my right,
2054
01:29:34,140 --> 01:29:36,160
and I see the car,
2055
01:29:36,200 --> 01:29:38,030
and it's a white Cadillac.
2056
01:29:38,070 --> 01:29:40,060
It kind of had moved over,
2057
01:29:40,100 --> 01:29:43,100
and I would say,
closer to the BMW,
2058
01:29:43,140 --> 01:29:47,160
probably about that close.
2059
01:29:47,200 --> 01:29:52,000
And an arm just comes out
and just starts firing.
2060
01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:55,090
(gunshots)
2061
01:29:55,130 --> 01:29:57,150
(Suge Knight)
I heard the shots being fired.
2062
01:29:57,190 --> 01:29:59,230
Pac stood up to try
to get in the backseat
2063
01:30:00,030 --> 01:30:01,130
to get out the way
of the shots.
2064
01:30:01,170 --> 01:30:02,140
That's how he got shot
in his hip,
2065
01:30:02,180 --> 01:30:04,160
which hit one of the bones
2066
01:30:04,200 --> 01:30:07,030
and traveled
to hit his lung.
2067
01:30:07,070 --> 01:30:08,200
I grabbed him and said,
"Get down"...
2068
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:10,160
and covered him.
2069
01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:13,170
When I pulled him down, that's
when I got shot in my head.
2070
01:30:13,210 --> 01:30:15,070
I said, "Are you hit?"
He said, "I'm hit."
2071
01:30:15,110 --> 01:30:18,020
So I'm driving like a madman
to a hospital,
2072
01:30:18,060 --> 01:30:21,080
and the first thing he said,
laughingly, jokingly,
2073
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:23,200
loudly is,
2074
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:25,070
"I need the hospital?
2075
01:30:25,110 --> 01:30:26,130
You the one
shot in the head."
2076
01:30:26,170 --> 01:30:28,180
(siren)
2077
01:30:28,220 --> 01:30:31,040
(indistinct police radio)
2078
01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:33,020
Coming up next
on the 10:00 news, his lyrics,
2079
01:30:33,060 --> 01:30:35,110
his life reflected
a gangsta lifestyle.
2080
01:30:35,150 --> 01:30:37,120
Tonight, Bay Area rapper
Tupac Shakur
2081
01:30:37,160 --> 01:30:39,020
is dead of gunshot wounds.
2082
01:30:39,060 --> 01:30:41,010
It's been all over the media,
all over the news,
2083
01:30:41,050 --> 01:30:42,140
all over the radio.
2084
01:30:42,180 --> 01:30:43,160
(news anchor)
Hundreds line the streets
2085
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:45,060
outside a Nation of Islam
school
2086
01:30:45,100 --> 01:30:48,090
to pay their respects
to the slain rapper.
2087
01:30:48,130 --> 01:30:50,030
(Paul Palladino)
The first things I started
hearing were rumors
2088
01:30:50,070 --> 01:30:52,230
that Suge had
had Tupac shot
2089
01:30:53,030 --> 01:30:55,130
because Tupac was thinking
of leaving the industry.
2090
01:30:55,170 --> 01:30:57,210
And I started to laugh
when I heard that, I said,
2091
01:30:58,010 --> 01:31:00,080
"You know,
the problem with this is,
2092
01:31:00,120 --> 01:31:03,060
"is why would someone
like Suge have the shooter
2093
01:31:03,100 --> 01:31:06,000
shoot across the car so that
the bullets would hit him?"
2094
01:31:06,040 --> 01:31:08,030
There are so many different
layers to the story,
2095
01:31:08,070 --> 01:31:09,050
and it's so tragic.
2096
01:31:09,090 --> 01:31:12,090
Tupac Shakur
is one of those kids
2097
01:31:12,130 --> 01:31:16,190
who was really one of the great
creative forces of our ages.
2098
01:31:16,230 --> 01:31:19,230
He wasn't just a rapper, he was
a kid who was really insightful.
2099
01:31:20,030 --> 01:31:23,130
He said, "I didn't
want to go to Vegas anyway."
2100
01:31:23,170 --> 01:31:24,230
He goes,
"Almost didn't even come."
2101
01:31:25,030 --> 01:31:27,150
That day was gonna happen.
2102
01:31:27,190 --> 01:31:29,210
It was the destiny
of his life.
2103
01:31:30,010 --> 01:31:32,150
He had the thought
of not going,
2104
01:31:32,190 --> 01:31:34,060
but he went,
because his destiny
2105
01:31:34,100 --> 01:31:36,100
was to die in it
the next day.
2106
01:31:36,140 --> 01:31:39,020
And it's just a shame that...
(scoffs)
2107
01:31:39,060 --> 01:31:43,100
another brother gets lost
as a victim of this music.
2108
01:31:49,190 --> 01:31:53,030
If you had any street sense
knowledge about yourself,
2109
01:31:53,070 --> 01:31:57,020
you knew that company was gonna
come crashing down, face first.
2110
01:31:57,060 --> 01:32:00,100
People let the fame
go to their heads,
2111
01:32:00,140 --> 01:32:03,000
and their egos took over,
and...
2112
01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:04,180
the next thing
you know, it was--
2113
01:32:04,220 --> 01:32:06,230
It was nowhere
to go but down.
2114
01:32:07,030 --> 01:32:08,220
Coming up, will the founder
of one of rap music's
2115
01:32:09,020 --> 01:32:11,100
most successful record labels
be doing time
2116
01:32:11,140 --> 01:32:13,120
for a probation violation?
2117
01:32:13,160 --> 01:32:17,140
(news anchor)
Last year, he pled no contest
to two counts of assault
2118
01:32:17,180 --> 01:32:19,060
stemming from a 1992 attack
2119
01:32:19,100 --> 01:32:22,180
on two aspiring rappers
in a Hollywood recording studio.
2120
01:32:22,220 --> 01:32:25,200
This is a man who has eight
different convictions.
2121
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:27,110
And, Your Honor,
I ask you,
2122
01:32:27,150 --> 01:32:29,170
how many bites
at the probation apple
2123
01:32:29,210 --> 01:32:31,090
does this defendant get?
2124
01:32:31,130 --> 01:32:34,030
I think it is very clear
that Mr. Knight,
2125
01:32:34,070 --> 01:32:37,210
um, delivers a kick
with his right foot.
2126
01:32:38,010 --> 01:32:41,170
(Jewell)
That man made a choice
to ignore his conscience,
2127
01:32:41,210 --> 01:32:44,130
and it's only him that can
reconcile that
2128
01:32:44,170 --> 01:32:45,190
and can change it--
we can't.
2129
01:32:45,230 --> 01:32:47,120
We can just move on,
2130
01:32:47,160 --> 01:32:50,050
give our contribution
to the music industry,
2131
01:32:50,090 --> 01:32:53,230
and hope that nothing like this
ever happens again.
2132
01:32:54,030 --> 01:32:56,090
(Judge)
He was an active participant
in this assault,
2133
01:32:56,130 --> 01:32:59,080
and I do find a violation
of probation.
2134
01:32:59,120 --> 01:33:01,140
I also keep in mind
I think the way
2135
01:33:01,180 --> 01:33:03,230
he left the scene evidenced
a consciousness of guilt.
2136
01:33:04,030 --> 01:33:05,190
I think he had been
involved in an assault,
2137
01:33:05,230 --> 01:33:06,230
and the way
he left the scene
2138
01:33:07,030 --> 01:33:09,080
causes me to believe that he
knew exactly what it was
2139
01:33:09,120 --> 01:33:11,020
he was doing and what
he had been involved in.
2140
01:33:11,060 --> 01:33:13,210
Your prior record indicates
one of violence.
2141
01:33:14,010 --> 01:33:15,120
Uh, you are a danger
to the community.
2142
01:33:15,160 --> 01:33:18,090
Your prior performance on
probation was not satisfactory.
2143
01:33:18,130 --> 01:33:21,040
You committed other crimes
while you were on probation.
2144
01:33:21,080 --> 01:33:23,220
You're not a suitable candidate
for probation, in other words,
2145
01:33:24,020 --> 01:33:26,060
and so therefore,
probation is denied.
2146
01:33:26,100 --> 01:33:28,070
I don't think anybody here
has any question
2147
01:33:28,110 --> 01:33:31,010
that if we were dealing with
somebody other than Mr. Knight,
2148
01:33:31,050 --> 01:33:33,110
what we saw in that videotape,
first of all,
2149
01:33:33,150 --> 01:33:35,130
would not be sufficient
to constitute
2150
01:33:35,170 --> 01:33:37,040
a probation violation,
2151
01:33:37,080 --> 01:33:39,070
and secondly
and most importantly,
2152
01:33:39,110 --> 01:33:41,000
even if somebody
thought it was,
2153
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:43,010
it's certainly not
the kind of violation
2154
01:33:43,050 --> 01:33:47,010
or the kind of activity that
warrants a nine-year-sentence.
2155
01:33:47,050 --> 01:33:49,020
How can Suge be in jail?
2156
01:33:49,060 --> 01:33:51,060
How can one of the most powerful
people in the record business--
2157
01:33:51,100 --> 01:33:54,040
not black people, one of
the most powerful people
2158
01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:57,230
in the record business--
be in jail...
2159
01:33:58,030 --> 01:34:02,070
for something as silly
as stopping a fight,
2160
01:34:02,110 --> 01:34:04,060
or even kicking somebody?
2161
01:34:04,100 --> 01:34:08,050
In my opinion, this is
a miscarriage of justice.
2162
01:34:08,090 --> 01:34:10,110
You got this lawyer,
this attorney,
2163
01:34:10,150 --> 01:34:12,210
this guy
who is pretty brilliant.
2164
01:34:13,010 --> 01:34:14,190
So you know that this
isn't a regular attorney.
2165
01:34:14,230 --> 01:34:16,140
He's got some pull
somewhere
2166
01:34:16,180 --> 01:34:18,150
because he's got
somebody from the DA's office
2167
01:34:18,190 --> 01:34:21,210
involved in this thing,
and you're saying to yourself,
2168
01:34:22,010 --> 01:34:23,100
"If all these people
are involved,
2169
01:34:23,140 --> 01:34:25,160
"all these powerful people,
2170
01:34:25,200 --> 01:34:29,080
what kind of situation
did he set Suge up in?"
2171
01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:32,000
I mean, Dave Kenner was
a big man in our business
2172
01:34:32,040 --> 01:34:35,000
on all levels, and
you have to ask yourself,
2173
01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:36,160
"Did the money get to him?
2174
01:34:36,200 --> 01:34:39,050
Did the power
get to him?"
2175
01:34:39,090 --> 01:34:40,210
You gotta ask yourself,
"Is Suge thinking about this?
2176
01:34:41,010 --> 01:34:42,040
"Is he sitting
in jail saying,
2177
01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:44,010
'Is this guy really
on my side?'"
2178
01:34:44,050 --> 01:34:47,030
(George Pryce)
Suge Knight was
and is Death Row.
2179
01:34:47,070 --> 01:34:50,040
And for me, without Suge Knight,
there is no Death Row.
2180
01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:54,060
If Suge has grasped
all that has happened to him,
2181
01:34:54,100 --> 01:34:57,040
I think he could come out
and, again,
2182
01:34:57,080 --> 01:34:59,170
start up Death Row Records
and start a record company
2183
01:34:59,210 --> 01:35:02,110
that would be more
viable than ever.
2184
01:35:02,150 --> 01:35:04,120
They will be legends
no matter what happens,
2185
01:35:04,160 --> 01:35:06,160
but if they'd have been--
continued to go on,
2186
01:35:06,200 --> 01:35:08,200
no telling what kind of
influence they may have had
2187
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:10,220
on the inner city youth
in America.
2188
01:35:11,020 --> 01:35:12,100
When you have guys
that have the ears
2189
01:35:12,140 --> 01:35:14,000
of not only black America,
2190
01:35:14,040 --> 01:35:18,030
but white America also,
you can call some shots.
2191
01:35:18,070 --> 01:35:20,200
Anybody can sell four million
records, five million records,
2192
01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:23,010
anybody can sell out
concerts around the world.
2193
01:35:23,050 --> 01:35:25,200
Whatever they put their name
and faces on will sell.
2194
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:28,210
Whatever they endorse
will be backed up 100%.
2195
01:35:29,010 --> 01:35:30,150
(Jeffrey Jolson-Colburn)
The Death Row Records story
2196
01:35:30,190 --> 01:35:33,030
told the tale of three
major record labels,
2197
01:35:33,070 --> 01:35:34,220
almost brought one of them down,
2198
01:35:35,020 --> 01:35:36,190
rattled another
to its core,
2199
01:35:36,230 --> 01:35:39,190
and set the framework
for a whole new way
2200
01:35:39,230 --> 01:35:42,070
of doing business
in the music business.
2201
01:35:42,110 --> 01:35:43,200
This was a story
that wasn't just about
2202
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:45,090
a bunch of guys
from Compton,
2203
01:35:45,130 --> 01:35:47,180
it was a story that affected
the whole music business
2204
01:35:47,220 --> 01:35:50,030
and, ultimately,
the business world.
2205
01:35:50,070 --> 01:35:53,050
It's about empowerment.
It's about greed.
2206
01:35:53,090 --> 01:35:55,000
It's about ego.
It's about sex.
2207
01:35:55,040 --> 01:35:56,020
It's about violence.
2208
01:35:56,060 --> 01:35:57,060
It's about fame.
2209
01:35:57,100 --> 01:35:58,210
It's about failure.
2210
01:35:59,010 --> 01:36:01,060
I mean, you don't get
any more American than that.
2211
01:36:01,100 --> 01:36:04,110
(Virgil Roberts)
The legacy that Death Row
Records has left
2212
01:36:04,150 --> 01:36:05,230
is both positive
and negative.
2213
01:36:06,030 --> 01:36:09,080
I think the positive legacy
is that if you have talent
2214
01:36:09,120 --> 01:36:10,230
and if you're
prepared to work,
2215
01:36:11,030 --> 01:36:13,160
you can create a business,
and it can be successful.
2216
01:36:13,200 --> 01:36:15,030
People always say,
2217
01:36:15,070 --> 01:36:16,050
"You remember
how ol' Suge
2218
01:36:16,090 --> 01:36:17,110
started his company
from nothing?
2219
01:36:17,150 --> 01:36:18,170
We can do that."
2220
01:36:18,210 --> 01:36:21,070
We're gonna
hear this music forever.
2221
01:36:21,110 --> 01:36:24,210
It's gonna forever mark an era
in American culture
2222
01:36:25,010 --> 01:36:26,110
and American history.
2223
01:36:26,150 --> 01:36:28,160
Now, the sad part
about this whole thing
2224
01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:32,030
is that Jimmy Iovine
and Ted Fields
2225
01:36:32,070 --> 01:36:36,000
sold Interscope
for $400 million.
2226
01:36:36,040 --> 01:36:39,030
I still have the article
in the "Wall Street Journal."
2227
01:36:39,070 --> 01:36:45,020
It says, "Warners ups
its stake in rap music."
2228
01:36:45,060 --> 01:36:48,200
So what they were buying
was Death Row.
2229
01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:52,220
They paid
400 million for it.
2230
01:36:53,020 --> 01:36:57,100
So Jimmy Iovine and Ted Fields
got 400 million.
2231
01:36:57,140 --> 01:37:00,080
Tupac's dead,
and Suge is in jail.
2232
01:37:00,120 --> 01:37:02,010
Who's in jail?
2233
01:37:02,050 --> 01:37:04,050
Mike Harris.
2234
01:37:04,090 --> 01:37:06,000
Suge Knight.
2235
01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:08,030
And-- and where's the money?
2236
01:37:10,050 --> 01:37:11,120
Who controls the money?
2237
01:37:13,180 --> 01:37:15,050
(laughing)
What-- what happened
2238
01:37:15,090 --> 01:37:19,210
to the power that all these...
black folks controlled?
2239
01:37:20,010 --> 01:37:24,060
(Sam Gideon Anson)
Death Row is the named party
in scores of lawsuits
2240
01:37:24,100 --> 01:37:27,080
over its financial
management and mismanagement.
2241
01:37:27,120 --> 01:37:29,130
With the federal investigation,
they're looking into
2242
01:37:29,170 --> 01:37:31,060
Suge's dealings in Las Vegas.
2243
01:37:31,100 --> 01:37:33,140
They're looking into his
dealings with Michael Harris.
2244
01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:43,220
(Paul Palladino)
Michael has an attempted murder
charge over his head
2245
01:37:44,020 --> 01:37:45,140
and a drug
case over his head.
2246
01:37:45,180 --> 01:37:48,030
If the government offered
Michael an opportunity
2247
01:37:48,070 --> 01:37:50,230
to get out of jail
to testify against David Kenner
2248
01:37:51,030 --> 01:37:54,050
or Suge Knight or Andre Young
or someone else,
2249
01:37:54,090 --> 01:37:56,070
there's a good chance
that Michael could take it.
2250
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:08,000
(Doug Young)
Suge, I would imagine,
2251
01:38:08,040 --> 01:38:12,090
in the minds of white corporate
America record business,
2252
01:38:12,130 --> 01:38:14,160
had to be stopped.
2253
01:38:14,200 --> 01:38:16,180
He had to be stopped.
2254
01:38:16,220 --> 01:38:21,050
When we start taking the money
that we make in the streets,
2255
01:38:21,090 --> 01:38:23,070
however we live--
it's hustling bottles,
2256
01:38:23,110 --> 01:38:25,190
selling bottle tops, selling
a bag of weed on the corner--
2257
01:38:25,230 --> 01:38:27,070
however we do it,
2258
01:38:27,110 --> 01:38:29,120
when we do it and we start to
realize, "You know what...
2259
01:38:29,160 --> 01:38:31,210
let me find
something legal to do,"
2260
01:38:32,010 --> 01:38:33,110
that's when it
becomes a problem.
2261
01:38:33,150 --> 01:38:35,040
They don't want us legal.
2262
01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:36,200
They'd rather we--
'cause they feel like
2263
01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:38,060
if you selling dope,
you ain't gonna
2264
01:38:38,100 --> 01:38:40,080
never really get rich,
unless you the man
2265
01:38:40,120 --> 01:38:43,070
sitting next
to the God damn man.
2266
01:38:43,110 --> 01:38:47,130
It'd be hard to dig up
and find who started what
2267
01:38:47,170 --> 01:38:49,150
with what kind
of legal money,
2268
01:38:49,190 --> 01:38:51,110
but they wouldn't
want to do that.
2269
01:38:51,150 --> 01:38:55,090
If they were to take Death Row
right now from Suge Knight,
2270
01:38:55,130 --> 01:38:57,150
what about Atlantic Group?
2271
01:38:57,190 --> 01:38:59,060
What about Interscope Records?
2272
01:38:59,100 --> 01:39:02,190
They made more money than
Death Row did off of Death Row.
2273
01:39:02,230 --> 01:39:04,230
If Death Row was founded
by drug money,
2274
01:39:05,030 --> 01:39:07,050
and Death Row made money,
Interscope made money,
2275
01:39:07,090 --> 01:39:08,090
Atlantic Group made money,
2276
01:39:08,130 --> 01:39:10,010
you take everybody's
record company.
2277
01:39:10,050 --> 01:39:11,210
You don't take
just the black man's.
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