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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 2 00:00:12,879 --> 00:00:15,395 It's 25 years now since it was issued, 3 00:00:15,515 --> 00:00:18,365 and there aren't many records which really last in the memory 4 00:00:18,485 --> 00:00:20,294 for a quarter of a century. 5 00:00:22,055 --> 00:00:24,160 I suppose it is a museum piece. 6 00:00:29,329 --> 00:00:31,344 (George Martin) It invoked the spirit of the age, 7 00:00:31,464 --> 00:00:33,880 of the Carnaby street and Mary Quant. 8 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,072 It was a joyous spurting-out of life. 9 00:00:47,347 --> 00:00:50,453 It was colourful, and it was peace, and it was love, and it was music. 10 00:00:55,288 --> 00:00:58,538 The songwriting team thing will keep going on whatever happens, will it? 11 00:00:58,658 --> 00:01:02,105 Yeah, we'll probably carry on writing music forever, you know? 12 00:01:06,199 --> 00:01:08,048 that's probably the big difference, 13 00:01:08,168 --> 00:01:10,517 is that people played it a bit safe in popular music, 14 00:01:10,637 --> 00:01:13,709 but I think that's what we suddenly realised, that you didn't have to. 15 00:01:38,231 --> 00:01:41,514 I remember track by track, it was exciting at that time, 16 00:01:41,634 --> 00:01:43,580 nothing like it had ever been. 17 00:02:22,842 --> 00:02:24,190 (George Martin) In 1966, 18 00:02:24,310 --> 00:02:27,327 the Beatles had been working most successfully for three years. 19 00:02:27,447 --> 00:02:30,621 they'd conquered the world in a way nobody else had done before. 20 00:02:41,194 --> 00:02:43,076 And yet, things started to fall apart. 21 00:02:43,196 --> 00:02:45,345 All sorts of troubles beset them. 22 00:02:45,465 --> 00:02:46,946 John Lennon had made his famous remark 23 00:02:47,066 --> 00:02:49,249 about being more popular than Jesus Christ, 24 00:02:49,369 --> 00:02:54,045 which, although arguably true, caused a great deal of upset in America. 25 00:03:05,251 --> 00:03:07,967 They were performing incessantly. 26 00:03:08,087 --> 00:03:10,363 They had heavy guards wherever they went. 27 00:03:11,391 --> 00:03:14,340 And when they went to the Philippines, they barely escaped with their lives 28 00:03:14,460 --> 00:03:16,543 after they'd offended President Marcos 29 00:03:16,663 --> 00:03:19,179 by not turning up at one of his receptions. 30 00:03:19,299 --> 00:03:23,349 And Imelda Marcos was outraged at the way the Beatles had ignored her. 31 00:03:23,469 --> 00:03:26,916 So, they decided they didn't want to tour again. They were fed up. 32 00:03:27,473 --> 00:03:30,579 They really wanted to lead something of a normal life. 33 00:03:33,479 --> 00:03:37,825 I remember we all used to run in the back of these big vans they'd hired. 34 00:03:38,551 --> 00:03:42,035 And this one was like a silver-lined van, chromium, 35 00:03:42,155 --> 00:03:45,705 nothing in it, like a furniture van with nothing in it, just chrome. 36 00:03:45,825 --> 00:03:49,476 And we were all piled into this after this really miserable gig. 37 00:03:49,596 --> 00:03:51,200 And I said, "Right, that's it!" 38 00:03:51,631 --> 00:03:53,947 No, we were absolutely fed up with touring. 39 00:03:54,067 --> 00:03:56,149 And why were we fed up with touring? 40 00:03:56,269 --> 00:03:59,478 because we were turning into such bad musicians. 41 00:04:00,340 --> 00:04:03,690 because the volume of the audience 42 00:04:03,810 --> 00:04:06,559 was always greater than the volume of the band. 43 00:04:06,679 --> 00:04:10,063 And for me personally, 44 00:04:10,183 --> 00:04:13,533 on stage there was no chance in hell I could do a fill, 45 00:04:13,653 --> 00:04:15,068 because it would just disappear. 46 00:04:15,188 --> 00:04:18,371 So I ended up just hanging on to the off-beats 47 00:04:18,491 --> 00:04:20,306 and watching the other guys' bums 48 00:04:20,426 --> 00:04:23,476 and trying to lip-read to see where we were, you know? 49 00:04:23,596 --> 00:04:26,880 It sounds marvellous, being a multi-millionaire pop star, 50 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,316 having the whole world at your feet, girls screaming wherever you go. 51 00:04:30,436 --> 00:04:32,211 In actual fact, it's hell. 52 00:04:32,772 --> 00:04:35,488 And that was happening wherever we went, even in India. 53 00:04:35,608 --> 00:04:38,458 You know, we went to India from the Philippines. 54 00:04:38,578 --> 00:04:41,320 I planned to go there to buy a sitar, actually. 55 00:04:41,748 --> 00:04:43,930 I was thinking, "At least this is going to be one place 56 00:04:44,050 --> 00:04:45,999 "where we can have a bit of peace." 57 00:04:46,119 --> 00:04:49,402 And when we got off the plane, there was all these Indian faces in the night, 58 00:04:49,522 --> 00:04:52,105 all shouting, "Beatles! Beatles!" 59 00:04:52,225 --> 00:04:54,440 Paul went to Kenya, 60 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,877 went on a safari trip as I remember, 61 00:04:57,997 --> 00:05:02,482 and John had already been booked by Richard Lester 62 00:05:02,602 --> 00:05:04,479 for a part in "How I Won The War". 63 00:05:04,871 --> 00:05:07,086 So he went off to Spain to film. 64 00:05:07,206 --> 00:05:11,245 And Ringo joined him there for a while, just to hang around with him. 65 00:05:12,045 --> 00:05:16,329 George went to India and worked with Ravi Shankar. 66 00:05:16,449 --> 00:05:19,832 There was no question of disbanding at that point. 67 00:05:19,952 --> 00:05:21,968 It was just, "We gotta get off this road." 68 00:05:22,088 --> 00:05:26,606 (Paul) And at that time, a lot of other things were changing. Society was changing. 69 00:05:26,726 --> 00:05:31,072 The psychedelic era was coming in, and we were very much part of that. 70 00:05:31,230 --> 00:05:32,712 And I think we really felt that 71 00:05:32,832 --> 00:05:36,712 it could be done better from a record than from anything else. 72 00:05:37,370 --> 00:05:40,374 The record could go on tour, was the theory. 73 00:05:41,207 --> 00:05:42,589 I think Paul made the phone call. 74 00:05:42,709 --> 00:05:45,291 Paul always made the phone call. "Let's go back to the studio, lads." 75 00:05:45,411 --> 00:05:48,995 It used to terrify John and I cos we'd be in the garden, 76 00:05:49,115 --> 00:05:53,063 and Paul would want us to work all the time, cos he's the workaholic. 77 00:05:54,921 --> 00:05:58,137 (George Martin) On 24th November 1966, a Thursday, 78 00:05:58,257 --> 00:06:02,909 the Beatles came into Abbey Road studios to start the new album. 79 00:06:03,029 --> 00:06:06,813 And the track they started with didn't appear on the album. 80 00:06:06,933 --> 00:06:09,115 It was a song called "strawberry Fields", 81 00:06:09,235 --> 00:06:12,685 and the way it was done that night, that Thursday, 82 00:06:12,805 --> 00:06:16,048 was virtually complete, we actually made virtually a master. 83 00:06:17,043 --> 00:06:19,726 And it was the way I heard it originally when John sang it to me, 84 00:06:19,846 --> 00:06:23,296 and it was a sweet, gentle, simple song, 85 00:06:23,416 --> 00:06:25,064 starting with the verse, you'll notice, 86 00:06:25,184 --> 00:06:27,960 not the chorus. 87 00:06:33,059 --> 00:06:37,377 We were still in our primitive state in technology in those days, 1966. 88 00:06:37,497 --> 00:06:39,812 We were just recording on 4-track. 89 00:06:39,932 --> 00:06:43,573 Bass and guitar, add to it. 90 00:06:45,171 --> 00:06:48,021 Still nothing else. 91 00:06:48,141 --> 00:06:50,143 Dead simple. 92 00:06:55,381 --> 00:06:59,599 Now we have a slide guitar played by George added. 93 00:06:59,719 --> 00:07:02,461 curiously enough, on the vocal track. 94 00:07:05,925 --> 00:07:08,235 Just on the vocal track. 95 00:07:24,777 --> 00:07:27,018 I think that version is very charming. 96 00:07:29,649 --> 00:07:32,596 A very simple version of a very simple song. 97 00:07:33,486 --> 00:07:37,366 But in fact, it never appeared like that, and no one's ever heard that one since. 98 00:07:37,924 --> 00:07:39,172 We left that evening, 99 00:07:39,292 --> 00:07:43,176 and John thought about it, and Paul thought about it over the weekend, 100 00:07:43,296 --> 00:07:46,038 and on Monday we tackled it again quite differently. 101 00:07:46,566 --> 00:07:48,981 John decided he wanted it in a lower key. 102 00:07:49,101 --> 00:07:50,883 It had an introduction for the first time 103 00:07:51,003 --> 00:07:54,520 which was played on that weird instrument, the mellotron, 104 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:56,813 and became a really key feature. 105 00:07:57,410 --> 00:08:00,414 And it started with the chorus rather than the verse. 106 00:08:04,584 --> 00:08:06,586 "strawberry Fields" immediately, isn't it? 107 00:08:12,825 --> 00:08:16,170 double-tracked voice right away. 108 00:08:17,530 --> 00:08:20,477 Again, all rhythm instruments on one track. 109 00:08:22,468 --> 00:08:24,812 voices on three and four. 110 00:08:28,774 --> 00:08:32,458 But John thought about it and said, "I think I can do it better than that." 111 00:08:32,578 --> 00:08:36,062 He said, "I want to have a bit more bite in it. Brass. strings." 112 00:08:36,182 --> 00:08:38,560 So, I said, "OK, let's give it a whirl." 113 00:08:48,127 --> 00:08:53,805 double-tracked voices on three and four, but with percussion as well on three. 114 00:08:58,137 --> 00:09:00,014 Swarmandala. 115 00:09:02,542 --> 00:09:05,925 An Indian instrument that George had brought back. 116 00:09:06,045 --> 00:09:08,958 Like a kind of harp. Had a marvellous effect. 117 00:09:14,387 --> 00:09:18,927 backward cymbal on track one. 118 00:09:21,761 --> 00:09:24,708 always sounds like Russian language to me. 119 00:09:30,202 --> 00:09:32,852 Brass stabs and so on with a cello. 120 00:09:32,972 --> 00:09:36,977 But underlying it all, this wonderful rhythm section. 121 00:09:40,780 --> 00:09:42,851 About nine or ten players there. 122 00:09:54,627 --> 00:09:57,543 Well, we finished up then with a track 123 00:09:57,663 --> 00:10:00,246 which would show the way that "pepper" was going to be. 124 00:10:00,366 --> 00:10:03,883 This was our first psychedelic track. 125 00:10:04,003 --> 00:10:07,119 I mean, when I started songwriting, it wasn't to write rock 'n' roll, 126 00:10:07,239 --> 00:10:09,322 it was to write for Sinatra. 127 00:10:09,442 --> 00:10:11,190 It was to write cabaret. 128 00:10:11,310 --> 00:10:14,757 In fact, one of my first songs was "When I'm Sixty-Four", which was... 129 00:10:18,117 --> 00:10:20,366 You know, it's big band stuff kind of thing. 130 00:10:20,486 --> 00:10:25,972 And so your aims weren't set to doing rock 'n' roll. 131 00:10:26,092 --> 00:10:28,941 But when we started working together, 132 00:10:29,061 --> 00:10:32,042 I think... I certainly, and I think John, too, 133 00:10:32,598 --> 00:10:35,982 wanted to be a Rodgers and Hammerstein, a Lennon/McCartney. 134 00:10:36,102 --> 00:10:39,986 We consciously wanted to be a team. 135 00:10:40,106 --> 00:10:42,688 I mean, the funny things is, I wanted McCartney/Lennon, 136 00:10:42,808 --> 00:10:45,124 but of course John was always bossier and he said, 137 00:10:45,244 --> 00:10:48,494 "No, no, it sounds much better the other way, Lennon/McCartney." 138 00:10:48,614 --> 00:10:49,829 So I gave in. 139 00:10:49,949 --> 00:10:52,532 The next song we did, actually, was "When I'm Sixty-Four", 140 00:10:52,652 --> 00:10:56,469 but that was one that harked back quite a long way. 141 00:10:56,589 --> 00:11:00,773 The one immediately after that was curiously allied to "strawberry Fields". 142 00:11:00,893 --> 00:11:01,928 It was "Penny Lane". 143 00:11:02,361 --> 00:11:04,343 Penny Lane was a place that John knew about, 144 00:11:04,463 --> 00:11:07,513 so for me to just say, "I've got a song called 'Penny Lane"', 145 00:11:07,633 --> 00:11:09,482 he knew exactly what I was doing. 146 00:11:09,602 --> 00:11:11,150 similarly, "strawberry Fields". 147 00:11:11,270 --> 00:11:15,721 I knew about that from when I used to go and visit him when we were kids. 148 00:11:15,841 --> 00:11:17,523 It was the place right opposite him, 149 00:11:17,643 --> 00:11:20,493 where you used to go and play in the garden. 150 00:11:20,613 --> 00:11:24,063 So it was kind of a magical childhood place for him. 151 00:11:24,183 --> 00:11:28,467 And we transformed it into the sort of psychedelic dream. 152 00:11:28,587 --> 00:11:32,204 It's like everybody's magic place, instead of just ours. 153 00:11:32,324 --> 00:11:36,442 We took them from being little localised things and made them more global. 154 00:11:36,562 --> 00:11:40,339 (Johann Sebastian Bach: "Brandenburg concerto No.2 In F Major") 155 00:11:45,771 --> 00:11:49,155 That actually was what Paul heard me play on television. 156 00:11:49,275 --> 00:11:51,757 It's the second "Brandenburg concerto", as you know. 157 00:11:51,877 --> 00:11:56,362 And he was obviously sitting at home and saw this little trumpet, 158 00:11:56,482 --> 00:11:59,932 and thought, "Well, that's a new gimmick and a new sound," 159 00:12:00,052 --> 00:12:04,136 and he'd just written "Penny Lane" and had had a rather bad backing track, 160 00:12:04,256 --> 00:12:07,601 so apparently that was how I came to do it. 161 00:12:08,060 --> 00:12:10,509 And eventually, of course, we got to what he liked, 162 00:12:10,629 --> 00:12:13,405 and this is what he wrote. 163 00:12:33,886 --> 00:12:36,402 (George Martin) The reason that "Strawberry Fields" and "Penny Lane" 164 00:12:36,522 --> 00:12:37,903 didn't appear on the album 165 00:12:38,023 --> 00:12:40,239 was that Brian Epstein, their manager, was worried, 166 00:12:40,359 --> 00:12:43,009 and said to me, "The boys need a lift. They need a great single. 167 00:12:43,129 --> 00:12:44,744 "What have you got?" 168 00:12:44,864 --> 00:12:47,313 Well, I said, "We've got two wonderful songs. 169 00:12:47,433 --> 00:12:49,115 "Let's issue them both." 170 00:12:49,235 --> 00:12:51,617 In those days, we didn't include single releases on albums, 171 00:12:51,737 --> 00:12:53,886 as we thought that was rather conning the public. 172 00:12:54,006 --> 00:12:56,422 One of the biggest errors I ever made. 173 00:12:56,542 --> 00:12:58,317 (ENGELBERT HUMPERDINCK: "Release Me") 174 00:13:06,252 --> 00:13:09,301 A newcomer with the unlikely name of Engelbert Humperdinck 175 00:13:09,421 --> 00:13:11,904 had a song called "please release Me", 176 00:13:12,024 --> 00:13:17,804 and for the first time, a Beatles single failed to reach No.1 in the UK charts. 177 00:13:31,310 --> 00:13:36,729 (George Harrison) We were in this big white room that was very dirty. 178 00:13:36,849 --> 00:13:39,432 It hadn't been painted for years and years, 179 00:13:39,552 --> 00:13:42,735 and it had all these old sound baffles hanging down 180 00:13:42,855 --> 00:13:45,404 that were all dirty and broken. 181 00:13:45,524 --> 00:13:47,139 Not a very nice atmosphere. 182 00:13:47,259 --> 00:13:51,343 When you think of the songs that were made in that studio, No.2, 183 00:13:51,463 --> 00:13:53,713 it's amazing, cos there was no atmosphere in there. 184 00:13:53,833 --> 00:13:56,348 We had to make the atmosphere ourselves. 185 00:13:56,468 --> 00:13:59,351 The great thing about these studios in Abbey Road 186 00:13:59,471 --> 00:14:02,688 was that you were always bumping into people. 187 00:14:02,808 --> 00:14:06,092 Sir Malcolm Sargent would look in at the session and wave 188 00:14:06,212 --> 00:14:09,495 in his pin-striped suit and his carnation: "Hello, boys." 189 00:14:09,615 --> 00:14:12,131 And George would say, "Sir Malcolm would like to say hello." 190 00:14:12,251 --> 00:14:14,934 "Hello, Mal." "Hello, boys." 191 00:14:15,054 --> 00:14:17,670 I remember seeing Sir Tyrone Guthrie on the steps here, 192 00:14:17,790 --> 00:14:19,739 you know, the great man himself. 193 00:14:19,859 --> 00:14:21,270 So, it was always very like that. 194 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:26,278 It was a joke, really. They had this toilet paper like lino 195 00:14:26,398 --> 00:14:29,448 that had EMI on every piece. 196 00:14:29,568 --> 00:14:32,284 The refrigerator had a padlock on it, 197 00:14:32,404 --> 00:14:34,353 so if you wanted a cup of tea, 198 00:14:34,473 --> 00:14:38,290 we'd have to break open the padlock on the fridge to get the milk out. 199 00:14:38,410 --> 00:14:42,128 EMI being this huge monster company, 200 00:14:42,248 --> 00:14:46,599 when they bought the 8-track, the first 8-track in England, 201 00:14:46,719 --> 00:14:49,802 they were so cheap, they didn't buy the plug to plug it in. 202 00:14:49,922 --> 00:14:52,538 It was going to be boring to just make another Beatles album. 203 00:14:52,658 --> 00:14:57,409 And we'd stopped touring, we now had this huge, liberated opportunity. 204 00:14:57,529 --> 00:14:59,445 We could do anything we wanted. 205 00:14:59,565 --> 00:15:02,748 I went on a trip to America and came back 206 00:15:02,868 --> 00:15:04,984 and had this idea on the plane. 207 00:15:05,104 --> 00:15:07,353 "Sgt. pepper's lonely hearts Club Band". 208 00:15:07,473 --> 00:15:11,123 It was all very "Uncle Joe's medicine Show 209 00:15:11,243 --> 00:15:15,227 "with dancing bears and elixir of life", 210 00:15:15,347 --> 00:15:17,530 you know, those kind of jokey titles. 211 00:15:17,650 --> 00:15:19,932 everything about the album will be imagined 212 00:15:20,052 --> 00:15:22,034 from the perspective of these people. 213 00:15:22,154 --> 00:15:23,869 So it doesn't have to be us, 214 00:15:23,989 --> 00:15:26,071 it doesn't have to be the kind of song you want to write, 215 00:15:26,191 --> 00:15:28,432 it could be the song they might want to write. 216 00:15:29,028 --> 00:15:31,443 (George Martin) "Sgt. pepper", the opening track of the album, 217 00:15:31,563 --> 00:15:34,305 really a good, old-fashioned rocker, 218 00:15:34,767 --> 00:15:38,651 starts off with applause or rather atmosphere noise 219 00:15:38,771 --> 00:15:42,721 from a recording I made up in Cambridge with the beyond The fringe crowd, 220 00:15:42,841 --> 00:15:45,257 Dudley Moore and company, 221 00:15:45,377 --> 00:15:49,325 and this super electric guitar. 222 00:15:50,382 --> 00:15:54,533 And tied together beautifully by a great rock voice from Paul. 223 00:15:54,653 --> 00:15:56,724 listen to this. 224 00:16:03,796 --> 00:16:07,141 He got sawdust in his voice there. 225 00:16:09,868 --> 00:16:14,214 And then a bit of classical work, bringing in four French horns. 226 00:16:21,246 --> 00:16:25,251 always there's the audience punctuating the whole thing. 227 00:16:29,388 --> 00:16:31,959 And then the chorus, singing the chorus. 228 00:16:47,373 --> 00:16:49,488 And together with the audience and the horns, 229 00:16:49,608 --> 00:16:52,992 it's an exciting thing saying, "Come and join our show, listen to it. 230 00:16:53,112 --> 00:16:56,559 "We're a great band." 231 00:17:26,979 --> 00:17:28,661 (Ringo) I remember him going up on the roof. 232 00:17:28,781 --> 00:17:31,819 John went up on the roof and got lost and came back. 233 00:17:36,422 --> 00:17:39,960 He took an aspirin. Know what I mean? And it turned out to be something else. 234 00:17:44,763 --> 00:17:47,046 (George Harrison) He accidentally took some LSD. 235 00:17:47,166 --> 00:17:50,170 It'd certainly keep him awake for a while. 236 00:17:57,342 --> 00:18:00,414 At that point, the session was in effect over. 237 00:18:03,315 --> 00:18:05,864 I was rather offended when the album came out 238 00:18:05,984 --> 00:18:09,034 and people said, "Lucy In The Sky With diamonds - LSD, you know?" 239 00:18:09,154 --> 00:18:10,155 Which was nonsense. 240 00:18:12,524 --> 00:18:14,840 (Paul) The real story about "Lucy In The Sky With diamonds" was 241 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,509 I showed up at John's house one day, 242 00:18:17,629 --> 00:18:20,913 and he said to me, "Look at this great drawing Julian's just done." 243 00:18:21,033 --> 00:18:22,948 And he showed me, I remember it very well. 244 00:18:23,068 --> 00:18:27,419 It was a kid's drawing, and kids always have people floating around 245 00:18:27,539 --> 00:18:30,489 like Chagall does in all his things. they're always just floating. 246 00:18:30,609 --> 00:18:32,958 I think it's something to do with kids not realising 247 00:18:33,078 --> 00:18:34,893 that people have to be put on the ground. 248 00:18:35,013 --> 00:18:38,063 I've seen the painting that this little kid does. 249 00:18:38,183 --> 00:18:39,698 I don't know if you've got kids, 250 00:18:39,818 --> 00:18:42,634 but they just slap paint everywhere and say it's a painting. 251 00:18:42,754 --> 00:18:46,759 And of course we put them in frames and put them on the wall. And... 252 00:18:47,526 --> 00:18:50,442 And it was just this crazy little kid's painting. "What is that?" 253 00:18:50,562 --> 00:18:52,644 John had said, "what's it called, then?" 254 00:18:52,764 --> 00:18:56,248 And Julian had said, "Lucy In The Sky With diamonds." 255 00:18:56,368 --> 00:18:57,813 And John went, "Ding!" 256 00:18:59,805 --> 00:19:02,721 (George Martin) They were able to conjure up a wonderful, evocative image 257 00:19:02,841 --> 00:19:04,582 with very sparse material. 258 00:19:05,043 --> 00:19:07,614 And the opening to "Lucy" is really a case in point. 259 00:19:13,719 --> 00:19:16,001 And it's a most wonderful phrase. 260 00:19:16,121 --> 00:19:19,967 I think, if Beethoven was around, he wouldn't have minded one of those. 261 00:19:20,926 --> 00:19:23,542 And over that very, very simple and beautiful phrase, 262 00:19:23,662 --> 00:19:26,445 John sang just one note. 263 00:19:26,565 --> 00:19:31,016 He developed it. He had a way of finding out what he wanted to sing, 264 00:19:31,136 --> 00:19:32,885 even as we were recording. 265 00:19:33,005 --> 00:19:35,988 But to begin with, all he sang was, 266 00:19:36,108 --> 00:19:41,057 "picture yourself on a boat on a river..." 267 00:19:44,483 --> 00:19:47,232 notice the tape echo on the voice already, 268 00:19:47,352 --> 00:19:49,958 even though this is a very early rehearsal take. 269 00:19:54,059 --> 00:19:55,874 - No bass again. - No. 270 00:19:55,994 --> 00:20:00,500 because it was much better for me to work out the bass later, you know? 271 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,244 And it allowed me to do... 272 00:20:04,903 --> 00:20:05,918 that's me. 273 00:20:06,038 --> 00:20:13,616 The good thing about doing it later was it allowed me to get melodic bass lines. 274 00:20:15,914 --> 00:20:18,530 Which was always... All the bass lines were always very interesting. 275 00:20:18,650 --> 00:20:22,325 On this album, I think that was one of the reasons. 276 00:20:39,037 --> 00:20:40,185 Go for it! 277 00:20:40,305 --> 00:20:41,987 Hey! 278 00:20:42,107 --> 00:20:48,327 The climate was influenced by the psychedelic era. 279 00:20:48,447 --> 00:20:52,531 I think the only difficulty about talking honestly about that period 280 00:20:52,651 --> 00:20:55,701 is that now the drug scene is a much heavier thing, 281 00:20:55,821 --> 00:21:03,542 and if you're now in any way seen to incite or advocate drug-taking, 282 00:21:03,662 --> 00:21:06,945 you're now talking about crack, you're now talking about glue sniffing, 283 00:21:07,065 --> 00:21:09,181 you're now talking about life-threatening things. 284 00:21:09,301 --> 00:21:13,647 So, I don't actually like doing it, because it can easily be misconceived. 285 00:21:14,406 --> 00:21:16,121 If you could get back to the period 286 00:21:16,241 --> 00:21:19,916 and everyone could understand how the period was and how innocent it was, 287 00:21:20,445 --> 00:21:22,686 then it is easier to talk about it. 288 00:21:23,749 --> 00:21:28,133 It mightn't have affected creativity for other people. 289 00:21:28,253 --> 00:21:30,702 I know it did for us, and it did for me. 290 00:21:30,822 --> 00:21:38,544 I mean, the first thing that people who smoked marijuana and were into music 291 00:21:38,664 --> 00:21:43,048 is that somehow it focuses your attention better on the music. 292 00:21:43,168 --> 00:21:46,451 And so you can hear it clearer. 293 00:21:46,571 --> 00:21:48,881 Or that's how it appeared to be. 294 00:21:50,175 --> 00:21:53,659 You could see things much different, 295 00:21:53,779 --> 00:21:57,262 I mean, LSD was something else. It wasn't just... 296 00:21:57,382 --> 00:22:01,433 I mean, marijuana was just like having a couple of beers, really, 297 00:22:01,553 --> 00:22:04,369 but LSD was more like going to the moon. 298 00:22:04,489 --> 00:22:08,073 We found out very early on that, 299 00:22:08,193 --> 00:22:11,376 you know, if you played stoned or derelict in any way, 300 00:22:11,496 --> 00:22:14,246 it was really shitty music, you know? 301 00:22:14,366 --> 00:22:19,315 So we would have the experiences and then bring that into the music later. 302 00:22:20,005 --> 00:22:24,756 famous old story of one of the cleaners at the Hammersmith Odeon saying, 303 00:22:24,876 --> 00:22:27,793 "That Ray Charles must be a mean git, you know? 304 00:22:27,913 --> 00:22:32,130 "I just saw two of his musicians in the toilets sharing a cigarette. 305 00:22:32,250 --> 00:22:33,732 "He can't pay them anything!" 306 00:22:33,852 --> 00:22:36,935 I knew that the boys smoked pot, 307 00:22:37,055 --> 00:22:41,106 and they equally knew that I disapproved, and they never did it in front of me. 308 00:22:41,226 --> 00:22:43,508 They would always have Mal roll them a joint 309 00:22:43,628 --> 00:22:46,211 and they'd nip out to the canteen and lock it 310 00:22:46,331 --> 00:22:49,114 or else to the loo and have a smoke and come back again, 311 00:22:49,234 --> 00:22:50,577 beaming all over their faces. 312 00:22:51,269 --> 00:22:52,951 (Paul) We mainly wrote in the afternoons. 313 00:22:53,071 --> 00:22:55,621 I'd either go to John's house or he'd come to mine. 314 00:22:55,741 --> 00:22:57,422 So I'd drive out to Weybridge. 315 00:22:57,542 --> 00:23:00,792 Now, you don't want to be stoned doing that. 316 00:23:00,912 --> 00:23:03,862 So we'd go out, and we'd have an afternoon of it, 317 00:23:03,982 --> 00:23:08,158 and it would be later, listening, in the evening 318 00:23:08,687 --> 00:23:12,037 that the little wine might come out and this and that might come out. 319 00:23:12,157 --> 00:23:14,573 But I say, you know... it's very difficult for me 320 00:23:14,693 --> 00:23:17,843 because I realise now being a father of four kids 321 00:23:17,963 --> 00:23:21,680 that if I make this sound as exciting as it was, 322 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,149 the natural corollary is for someone to say, 323 00:23:24,269 --> 00:23:26,451 "Well, why don't we write like that?" 324 00:23:26,571 --> 00:23:28,787 And I don't want to be seen to do that, 325 00:23:28,907 --> 00:23:31,723 cos now, as I say, it's a much more dangerous ballgame. 326 00:23:31,843 --> 00:23:34,192 There was a kind of spirit of adventure that they both had. 327 00:23:34,312 --> 00:23:36,061 They were going to conquer the world. 328 00:23:36,181 --> 00:23:38,597 But there was that element of competition, 329 00:23:38,717 --> 00:23:42,000 and the competition was the essential thing that made them work so well. 330 00:23:42,120 --> 00:23:45,537 He'd write "strawberry Fields", I'd go away and write "Penny Lane". 331 00:23:45,657 --> 00:23:51,209 If I'd write "I'm Down", he'd go away and write something similar to that, 332 00:23:51,329 --> 00:23:53,111 to compete with each other. 333 00:23:53,231 --> 00:23:55,447 But it was very friendly competition, 334 00:23:55,567 --> 00:23:58,083 because we were both going to share in the rewards anyway. 335 00:23:58,203 --> 00:24:01,453 But it was a real... it was this. It really helped step... 336 00:24:01,573 --> 00:24:04,383 So we were getting better and better and better all the time. 337 00:24:05,444 --> 00:24:09,261 (George Martin) John and Paul always wrote a song for Ringo on every album. 338 00:24:09,381 --> 00:24:12,419 "With A Little Help From My Friends" proved to be the song. 339 00:24:12,818 --> 00:24:16,268 And Paul wrote that song and wrote it beautifully simply 340 00:24:16,388 --> 00:24:19,171 with just five notes that Ringo had to carry, 341 00:24:19,291 --> 00:24:24,070 all within one little phrase, which was... 342 00:24:31,036 --> 00:24:33,038 All in those notes. 343 00:24:34,639 --> 00:24:37,176 terribly simple. terribly effective. 344 00:24:42,914 --> 00:24:45,831 Like his drumming, Ringo's voice is most distinctive. 345 00:24:45,951 --> 00:24:48,667 And on this track, he put in a really super performance 346 00:24:48,787 --> 00:24:50,824 that makes the song his very own. 347 00:25:03,034 --> 00:25:05,150 The original line was, 348 00:25:05,270 --> 00:25:07,285 "What would you do if I sang out of tune, 349 00:25:07,405 --> 00:25:10,255 "would you stand up and throw tomatoes at me?" 350 00:25:10,375 --> 00:25:12,324 Or "Would you throw tomatoes at me?", 351 00:25:12,444 --> 00:25:15,618 and I would not sing that line, "tomatoes at me", because... 352 00:25:16,581 --> 00:25:18,230 I hated the line anyway, 353 00:25:18,350 --> 00:25:22,501 and in those days they used to throw all sorts of stuff at us on stage, 354 00:25:22,621 --> 00:25:25,370 and I didn't want this to become a habit either. 355 00:25:25,490 --> 00:25:28,673 And I just hated the line, so I refused to sing that line, "tomatoes", 356 00:25:28,793 --> 00:25:33,037 so they changed it to, "Would you stand up and walk out on me?" 357 00:25:42,107 --> 00:25:43,855 besides changing that line, 358 00:25:43,975 --> 00:25:48,117 it took a lot of coaxing from Paul to get me to sing that last note. 359 00:25:48,747 --> 00:25:51,129 I just felt it was very high. 360 00:25:51,249 --> 00:25:53,432 I always worry about the vocals, you know? 361 00:25:53,552 --> 00:25:57,402 I'm insecure when I do the vocals. I still am, and I was then. 362 00:25:57,522 --> 00:26:03,302 And so he would get me up, and we finally got that last note. 363 00:26:11,036 --> 00:26:13,685 (George Martin) The role of a producer had changed over the years. 364 00:26:13,805 --> 00:26:16,054 I mean, when we started in 1962, 365 00:26:16,174 --> 00:26:18,890 my job was really an organiser to get them into some kind of shape, 366 00:26:19,010 --> 00:26:22,294 make sure they were tidy in the studio, musically, I mean. 367 00:26:22,414 --> 00:26:23,695 gradually that changed. 368 00:26:23,815 --> 00:26:25,730 By the time "pepper" had come along, 369 00:26:25,850 --> 00:26:29,821 I suppose I was a realiser of their ideas, 370 00:26:30,488 --> 00:26:33,672 so that if John wanted something really weird, 371 00:26:33,792 --> 00:26:35,340 I had to try and provide it for him. 372 00:26:35,460 --> 00:26:38,844 Or if Paul wanted some extraordinary orchestration, 373 00:26:38,964 --> 00:26:41,513 I had to try and find out what he wanted. 374 00:26:41,633 --> 00:26:46,685 What I think his great skill then was to allow us to do what we wanted. 375 00:26:46,805 --> 00:26:50,655 So his role changed from really deciding what was done 376 00:26:50,775 --> 00:26:52,413 to allowing us to do it. 377 00:26:52,777 --> 00:26:55,293 I think the role with George became easier, 378 00:26:55,413 --> 00:26:59,331 because at first he was to us... we were kind of frightened, 379 00:26:59,451 --> 00:27:01,433 because we were these nervous kids, 380 00:27:01,553 --> 00:27:05,070 and he was like this big schoolteacher sort of person 381 00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:10,709 who we had to find and have a relationship with. 382 00:27:10,829 --> 00:27:12,811 George was like the big cheese. 383 00:27:12,931 --> 00:27:15,213 He would come in as the producer, 384 00:27:15,333 --> 00:27:18,016 and we were all a little... not afraid, but... 385 00:27:18,136 --> 00:27:20,318 We knew he was the man. 386 00:27:20,438 --> 00:27:24,456 And he was very good, and he was very humorous, so... 387 00:27:24,576 --> 00:27:27,659 that's how George really got into our good books, 388 00:27:27,779 --> 00:27:29,528 because we were very tight, 389 00:27:29,648 --> 00:27:32,219 the little four of us were really tight together. 390 00:27:33,084 --> 00:27:35,462 Very seldom did we let anybody in. 391 00:27:35,954 --> 00:27:38,236 We always felt George had just got off his spitfire: 392 00:27:38,356 --> 00:27:41,172 "Oh, hello, chaps. Yes, it's chocks away." 393 00:27:41,292 --> 00:27:43,708 We always felt he was a bit one of them. 394 00:27:43,828 --> 00:27:45,977 And I think we just grew through those years together, 395 00:27:46,097 --> 00:27:49,635 him as the straight man and us as the loonies. 396 00:27:50,902 --> 00:27:55,487 He was always there for us to interpret our strangeness. 397 00:27:55,607 --> 00:27:57,109 Da, da... 398 00:27:58,176 --> 00:28:00,592 (Ravi Shankar) When George Harrison came to me, 399 00:28:00,712 --> 00:28:02,623 I didn't know what to think. 400 00:28:04,015 --> 00:28:06,757 But I found he really wanted to learn. 401 00:28:10,221 --> 00:28:13,430 I never thought our meeting would cause such an explosion. 402 00:28:14,025 --> 00:28:16,875 (George Harrison) I'd heard the name of Ravi Shankar, 403 00:28:16,995 --> 00:28:21,846 it must have been around 1965, maybe 1966. 404 00:28:21,966 --> 00:28:25,379 The third time I heard this name, I went out and bought the record. 405 00:28:25,804 --> 00:28:29,854 It was strange, because intellectually I didn't know what it was. 406 00:28:29,974 --> 00:28:31,523 It didn't make any sense to me, 407 00:28:31,643 --> 00:28:34,426 but somewhere inside of me, it made absolute sense. 408 00:28:34,546 --> 00:28:37,026 It made more sense than anything I'd ever heard before. 409 00:28:48,226 --> 00:28:51,176 I found it very fascinating, actually, working with George on that. 410 00:28:51,296 --> 00:28:54,279 Him trying to get from English musicians 411 00:28:54,399 --> 00:28:56,581 what the Indians were already giving us. 412 00:28:56,701 --> 00:28:59,884 It started out by George working with a dilruba player, 413 00:29:00,004 --> 00:29:02,787 which is a kind of Indian violin. 414 00:29:02,907 --> 00:29:08,593 And then I had to copy that with a bank of English violinists. 415 00:29:08,713 --> 00:29:11,396 Here we have the dilrubas on two, 416 00:29:11,516 --> 00:29:15,834 and our English instruments joining in on track three, 417 00:29:15,954 --> 00:29:18,798 but George answering on sitar. 418 00:29:21,993 --> 00:29:23,472 Here it is. 419 00:29:29,534 --> 00:29:32,879 And pizzicato strings accompanying him. 420 00:29:35,874 --> 00:29:38,354 A bit of slurpy cello. 421 00:29:39,978 --> 00:29:42,322 Doing the same thing as the dilruba. 422 00:30:04,602 --> 00:30:08,319 And here he is singing the same tune as the dilruba 423 00:30:08,439 --> 00:30:11,256 in exactly the same way, the same kind of swoops 424 00:30:11,376 --> 00:30:13,525 that the dilruba does. 425 00:30:13,645 --> 00:30:15,193 You hear his voice. 426 00:30:15,313 --> 00:30:17,418 You hear the dilruba. 427 00:30:24,255 --> 00:30:26,938 (George Harrison) "within You, without You" was just my way 428 00:30:27,058 --> 00:30:29,174 of trying to make a Western pop song 429 00:30:29,294 --> 00:30:32,510 using some of those instruments and some of those sounds. 430 00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:34,913 We all knew George liked Indian music, 431 00:30:35,033 --> 00:30:37,816 and there was a kind of toleration, if you like. 432 00:30:37,936 --> 00:30:42,385 But it was a welcome one, because we actually liked the sounds. 433 00:30:43,474 --> 00:30:45,924 The joss sticks even were OK. 434 00:30:46,044 --> 00:30:48,684 They covered the smell of pot. 435 00:30:49,347 --> 00:30:51,156 (THE BEACH BOYS: "wouldn't It Be Nice") 436 00:30:57,889 --> 00:31:01,539 (Paul) To me, the single biggest influence on "Sgt. pepper" 437 00:31:01,659 --> 00:31:04,476 was the Beach Boys' record "Pet sounds". 438 00:31:04,596 --> 00:31:07,805 And I think Brian Wilson was a great genius. 439 00:31:17,075 --> 00:31:21,023 I think of "Pet sounds" in my head, and I think of "Sgt. pepper's", 440 00:31:21,646 --> 00:31:24,092 and I think, "Gosh! that's not..." 441 00:31:24,782 --> 00:31:26,664 Those two albums aren't very alike at all, 442 00:31:26,784 --> 00:31:29,000 only in that they're very creative. 443 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:33,905 They must've picked up on the creativity of "Pet sounds", not the sound. 444 00:31:34,025 --> 00:31:36,474 It's actually very clever on any level. 445 00:31:36,594 --> 00:31:39,744 If you approach it from a writer's point of view, it's very cleverly written. 446 00:31:39,864 --> 00:31:42,347 The harmonic structures are very, very clever. 447 00:31:42,467 --> 00:31:44,883 If you approach it from an arranger's point of view, 448 00:31:45,003 --> 00:31:50,321 the kind of instruments he's got on there, an oscillator, a harpsichord... 449 00:31:50,441 --> 00:31:52,090 It's got some crazy stuff on there. 450 00:31:52,210 --> 00:31:57,629 Well, I remember... I combined an organ with the guitar. 451 00:31:57,749 --> 00:32:01,132 And phew! What a sound, It really worked great. 452 00:32:01,252 --> 00:32:05,537 We got them so that they were absolutely enhancing each other. 453 00:32:05,657 --> 00:32:08,973 It was like a miracle, a miraculous process. 454 00:32:09,093 --> 00:32:11,699 (THE BEACH BOYS: "Here Today") 455 00:32:23,207 --> 00:32:25,790 because of the work they'd done, 456 00:32:25,910 --> 00:32:30,222 it didn't seem too much of a stretch for us to get further out than they'd got. 457 00:32:45,997 --> 00:32:49,614 We always loved the Morton Fraser harmonica Gang. 458 00:32:49,734 --> 00:32:51,549 When we were kids, it was a TV thing, 459 00:32:51,669 --> 00:32:53,952 a little bloke came on and they all pushed him out of the way. 460 00:32:54,072 --> 00:32:58,056 But it was those giant big bass... (imitates sound) 461 00:32:58,176 --> 00:33:01,526 And John used to play harmonica, so we always liked that. 462 00:33:01,646 --> 00:33:04,362 But when I heard them on "Pet sounds"... 463 00:33:04,482 --> 00:33:07,732 there's a lot of harmonica, bass harmonica, he uses that... 464 00:33:07,852 --> 00:33:12,337 The instruments he uses and the way he places them against each other, 465 00:33:12,457 --> 00:33:15,340 it's very cleverly done, it's a really clever album. 466 00:33:15,460 --> 00:33:20,910 So we were inspired by it and nicked a few ideas. 467 00:33:30,608 --> 00:33:35,293 I remember we walked into an antique shop in Sevenoaks in Kent, 468 00:33:35,413 --> 00:33:38,263 and we were looking at what they had there, 469 00:33:38,383 --> 00:33:40,632 and John pulled out this thing that he found, 470 00:33:40,752 --> 00:33:43,301 which said, "The benefit of Mr Kite". 471 00:33:43,421 --> 00:33:46,571 And it was virtually all the lyrics to that song. 472 00:33:46,691 --> 00:33:47,872 (George Martin) When I saw it, 473 00:33:47,992 --> 00:33:51,075 it was hanging up in the hall in his house in surrey, 474 00:33:51,195 --> 00:33:53,745 and it had everything that the song has on it. 475 00:33:53,865 --> 00:33:57,081 It had the Henderson Twins and Pablo Fanque's Fair, 476 00:33:57,201 --> 00:33:59,181 all those words were written on the poster. 477 00:34:00,038 --> 00:34:05,556 And it obviously inspired him to write a song about a fairground or a circus. 478 00:34:05,676 --> 00:34:07,759 that's how you do it. 479 00:34:07,879 --> 00:34:10,561 You get ideas, you hear people say stuff, or... 480 00:34:10,681 --> 00:34:14,766 you hear a phrase that sounds good and you write it down or remember it. 481 00:34:14,886 --> 00:34:18,603 So I think he was just advanced for those days 482 00:34:18,723 --> 00:34:23,141 in his awareness of putting... everything could be put into a song. 483 00:34:23,261 --> 00:34:26,544 (George Martin) He wanted to create a sound picture 484 00:34:26,664 --> 00:34:28,575 of what the song was all about. 485 00:34:29,100 --> 00:34:32,517 And he actually said to me, "I want to smell the sawdust." 486 00:34:32,637 --> 00:34:34,953 But to get the smell of the sawdust, 487 00:34:35,073 --> 00:34:38,456 we, John and I, both sat on different organs, 488 00:34:38,576 --> 00:34:42,126 Wurlitzers and Lowreys and Hammonds, 489 00:34:42,246 --> 00:34:46,230 and with double-speed techniques created a kind of whirly atmosphere. 490 00:34:46,350 --> 00:34:50,635 And the backing... I had visions of Snow White and the Seven dwarfs 491 00:34:50,755 --> 00:34:53,004 who had a little pipey organ in their hut. 492 00:34:53,124 --> 00:34:55,707 John thought slightly differently. He thought of "Magic roundabout". 493 00:34:55,827 --> 00:34:59,243 But it was a tooty kind of sound that we were able to create, 494 00:34:59,363 --> 00:35:03,214 and together with that, we had this weird and wonderful tape 495 00:35:03,334 --> 00:35:06,851 consisting of all little sections of real steam organs, 496 00:35:06,971 --> 00:35:11,322 cut up, joined together in a very haphazard manner, some back to front. 497 00:35:11,442 --> 00:35:13,458 To give us no tune at all, 498 00:35:13,578 --> 00:35:16,928 but just a noise that would convey what we wanted. 499 00:35:17,048 --> 00:35:18,459 And this is what it is. 500 00:35:25,423 --> 00:35:27,596 double-tracked vocal form John. 501 00:35:32,864 --> 00:35:34,605 Ringo on his cymbals. 502 00:35:41,372 --> 00:35:45,115 And now, here, in come the whirly bits. 503 00:35:49,247 --> 00:35:51,696 This is the track with all the little sounds on it, 504 00:35:51,816 --> 00:35:54,228 the melange of tapes. 505 00:35:59,524 --> 00:36:03,267 And along with that is the little tooty backing on this track, track four. 506 00:36:12,036 --> 00:36:15,574 And that's it. A splendid time is guaranteed for all. 507 00:36:16,674 --> 00:36:20,258 I mean, when I first met them, they really couldn't write a decent song. 508 00:36:20,378 --> 00:36:22,527 "Love Me Do" was the best they could give me. 509 00:36:22,647 --> 00:36:27,756 Yet they blossomed as songwriters in a way that is breath-taking. 510 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,336 It had an amazing effect on the way people saw records. 511 00:36:32,456 --> 00:36:35,506 I mean, people suddenly thought, "Oh, you can do that?" 512 00:36:35,626 --> 00:36:37,308 Well, they've done it, so of course you can do it. 513 00:36:37,428 --> 00:36:39,704 So I suppose it made... 514 00:36:40,698 --> 00:36:44,082 it opened a door and showed everybody that there was another room 515 00:36:44,202 --> 00:36:46,851 and that you could play around in that other room, 516 00:36:46,971 --> 00:36:50,384 and actually it could still be called a commercial record. 517 00:36:58,349 --> 00:36:59,453 Ah, "Good morning". 518 00:37:00,017 --> 00:37:04,135 "Good morning" of course was inspired by a commercial. 519 00:37:04,255 --> 00:37:05,903 You know, a breakfast commercial. 520 00:37:06,023 --> 00:37:10,041 And I suppose that triggered something in John that made him write the song, 521 00:37:10,161 --> 00:37:12,443 and again he drew his inspiration 522 00:37:12,563 --> 00:37:16,314 from very mundane, ordinary things like "Time for tea and 'Meet The Wife"'. 523 00:37:16,434 --> 00:37:18,282 "Meet The Wife" was a television serial. 524 00:37:18,402 --> 00:37:23,121 It kind of indicates the suburbanality of his songs 525 00:37:23,241 --> 00:37:25,278 and the very Englishness of the whole thing. 526 00:37:25,743 --> 00:37:27,925 "Good morning" was typical of him 527 00:37:28,045 --> 00:37:32,530 that it was of odd meters, but sounded perfectly natural. 528 00:37:32,650 --> 00:37:35,032 I mean, he would have a 3/4 bar, 4/4 bar, 529 00:37:35,152 --> 00:37:36,995 5/4 bar even, without knowing it. 530 00:37:37,655 --> 00:37:40,037 One-two-three, one-two, 531 00:37:40,157 --> 00:37:44,709 one-two-three-four, one-two, one-two-three-four. 532 00:37:44,829 --> 00:37:47,411 It was to be a very hard-driving, punchy thing. 533 00:37:47,531 --> 00:37:50,011 The tune itself is quite simple. 534 00:37:53,170 --> 00:37:55,912 But it was full of accents all over the place. 535 00:37:57,775 --> 00:38:02,293 John wanted to finish this song with a collection of animal noises, 536 00:38:02,413 --> 00:38:05,496 starting off with a cock, identifying with a Kellogg's commercial... 537 00:38:05,616 --> 00:38:09,133 - (cockerel crows) - ...and then each animal was capable 538 00:38:09,253 --> 00:38:12,393 of either devouring or frightening the one before it. 539 00:38:12,923 --> 00:38:14,630 And we had a whole string of them here. 540 00:38:28,673 --> 00:38:30,555 It took a long time, 541 00:38:30,675 --> 00:38:34,692 and it took longer for me, because I would do the basic track. 542 00:38:34,812 --> 00:38:39,597 We would do the basic backing track. We'd do the drums. 543 00:38:39,717 --> 00:38:43,301 And then it would be days or weeks, 544 00:38:43,421 --> 00:38:47,071 even months sometimes, to come back to the track 545 00:38:47,191 --> 00:38:51,075 and put on overdubs like the hi-hat 546 00:38:51,195 --> 00:38:57,009 or, listening again, there's lots of conga drums. 547 00:38:57,435 --> 00:38:59,417 I'm not a percussionist. 548 00:38:59,537 --> 00:39:01,744 that's another field of drums. 549 00:39:02,206 --> 00:39:05,690 I'm on playing the congas, and there's lots of maracas, 550 00:39:05,810 --> 00:39:08,492 and all that stuff sort of came on at the end. 551 00:39:08,612 --> 00:39:11,596 So there was lots of huge gaps. 552 00:39:11,716 --> 00:39:15,596 The biggest memory I have of "Sgt. pepper" is, I learned to play chess on it. 553 00:39:16,821 --> 00:39:19,937 We were changing our method of working at that time, 554 00:39:20,057 --> 00:39:24,475 and instead of now looking for catchy singles, catchy singles, catchy singles, 555 00:39:24,595 --> 00:39:31,048 it was more like writing a novel, "Sgt. pepper", I think for me, definitely. 556 00:39:31,168 --> 00:39:34,552 It was much more a kind of an overall concept, "Wow...!" 557 00:39:34,672 --> 00:39:36,413 And you can see that in the packaging. 558 00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:55,439 (George Martin) Cover art in the mid-sixties 559 00:39:55,559 --> 00:39:58,233 hadn't really been exploited up to "pepper", 560 00:39:58,662 --> 00:40:01,946 and when the boys decided what they wanted, 561 00:40:02,066 --> 00:40:05,349 they wanted really to put all of their heroes on the album 562 00:40:05,469 --> 00:40:07,251 in some form or another. 563 00:40:07,371 --> 00:40:13,457 And by recruiting Peter Blake, who was an avant-garde artist again, 564 00:40:13,577 --> 00:40:16,661 to assemble their ideas and realise them, 565 00:40:16,781 --> 00:40:18,896 in the same way I was realising the music, 566 00:40:19,016 --> 00:40:21,999 they did, I think, a pretty smart thing. 567 00:40:22,119 --> 00:40:27,138 I think what happened straightaway was that it was very mysterious. 568 00:40:27,258 --> 00:40:28,706 It was like a game. 569 00:40:28,826 --> 00:40:32,143 There were quizzes to see if you could spot who everyone was, 570 00:40:32,263 --> 00:40:34,745 and of course nobody could. 571 00:40:34,865 --> 00:40:37,748 And I think a kind of cult built up around it, 572 00:40:37,868 --> 00:40:42,887 and then the myths and stories that built up around it, 573 00:40:43,007 --> 00:40:47,114 it became an interesting talking point, I think. 574 00:40:47,611 --> 00:40:50,528 I think we just thought we'll do the best we can 575 00:40:50,648 --> 00:40:54,131 in this very far-out new way that we had of thinking. 576 00:40:54,251 --> 00:40:55,533 Get it to be something... 577 00:40:55,653 --> 00:40:59,601 I still think that is the best philosophy, to really try and please yourself. 578 00:41:00,191 --> 00:41:03,074 probably the most momentous song on the album, "A Day In The Life", 579 00:41:03,194 --> 00:41:05,309 began in a very simple way. 580 00:41:05,429 --> 00:41:08,379 And we've got the rehearsal take, take one, 581 00:41:08,499 --> 00:41:10,479 the very first time we heard it, 582 00:41:11,502 --> 00:41:14,752 with John giving a few instructions to people, as usual, 583 00:41:14,872 --> 00:41:16,715 just before he starts it. 584 00:41:17,675 --> 00:41:20,458 (John) 'Have the mike on the piano quite low. 585 00:41:20,578 --> 00:41:22,293 'Keep it like maracas, you know.' 586 00:41:22,413 --> 00:41:25,596 John was singing while he was playing his acoustic guitar. 587 00:41:25,716 --> 00:41:29,333 Paul was on piano. George was playing maracas, I think. 588 00:41:29,453 --> 00:41:31,869 And certainly Ringo was on bongos. 589 00:41:31,989 --> 00:41:35,232 John counts in by saying, "Sugar plum fairy, sugar plum fairy." 590 00:41:39,563 --> 00:41:42,567 (John) 'Sugar plum fairy, sugar plum fairy.' 591 00:42:04,221 --> 00:42:07,505 Even in this early take, he has a voice... 592 00:42:07,625 --> 00:42:12,096 which sends shivers down the spine. 593 00:42:38,789 --> 00:42:41,633 (Phil Collins) Well, I think he's vastly underrated, Ringo. 594 00:42:44,228 --> 00:42:48,472 The drum fills on "A Day In The Life" are in fact very, very complex things. 595 00:42:48,966 --> 00:42:52,383 You could take a great drummer from today 596 00:42:52,503 --> 00:42:55,746 and say, "I want it like that," and they really wouldn't know what to do. 597 00:43:06,784 --> 00:43:10,468 I could only play the drums the best I could, you know? 598 00:43:10,588 --> 00:43:13,137 You know, I've said it before that I was very lucky 599 00:43:13,257 --> 00:43:17,308 that I was surrounded by three frustrated drummers. 600 00:43:17,428 --> 00:43:24,248 All three of them can play drums, but only one sort of style. 601 00:43:24,368 --> 00:43:27,318 There was one great moment with John who played a record to me 602 00:43:27,438 --> 00:43:29,753 and wanted me to... "Well, play it like that, Ringo." 603 00:43:29,873 --> 00:43:33,991 I said, "But, John, there's two guys." He says, "Don't let that bother you." 604 00:43:34,111 --> 00:43:36,927 (George Martin) The first part of the song "A Day In The Life" was John's, 605 00:43:37,047 --> 00:43:38,395 but it was incomplete. 606 00:43:38,515 --> 00:43:41,632 He went to Paul and said, "Have you got anything to pad it out in the middle?" 607 00:43:41,752 --> 00:43:43,868 Paul had another song which he was working on, 608 00:43:43,988 --> 00:43:47,697 which really had no connection with "A Day In The Life", but it was good. 609 00:44:01,972 --> 00:44:03,888 So John said, "Well, let's shove it in the middle 610 00:44:04,008 --> 00:44:06,045 "and see if we can't connect them up in some way." 611 00:44:06,677 --> 00:44:10,728 We connected them with a series of empty bars 612 00:44:10,848 --> 00:44:16,033 on either side of Paul's section before we came back into John's reprise, 613 00:44:16,153 --> 00:44:20,471 and we knew we had to fill those bars with something sensational. 614 00:44:20,591 --> 00:44:22,264 And we didn't know what it was going to be yet. 615 00:44:22,793 --> 00:44:24,542 In order to keep the 24 bars 616 00:44:24,662 --> 00:44:27,044 so that everybody knew when to come back in again, 617 00:44:27,164 --> 00:44:30,581 dear old Mal Evans stood by the piano counting the bars. 618 00:44:30,701 --> 00:44:35,452 (Mal) 'Seven, eight, nine, ten...' 619 00:44:35,572 --> 00:44:37,388 And just to add further weight to it, 620 00:44:37,508 --> 00:44:41,115 he set off an alarm clock at the end of it to trigger everybody back into it. 621 00:44:42,046 --> 00:44:44,728 'seventeen, eighteen, 622 00:44:44,848 --> 00:44:48,955 - 'nineteen, twenty!' - (Alarm clock rings) 623 00:44:49,319 --> 00:44:53,137 They told me they wanted an orchestral climax to fill these empty bars, 624 00:44:53,257 --> 00:44:55,239 a giant orgasm of sound 625 00:44:55,359 --> 00:44:59,243 rising from nothing at all to the most incredible noise. 626 00:44:59,363 --> 00:45:00,774 And this is what we came up with. 627 00:45:25,622 --> 00:45:28,933 And with that, we joined up the two parts of the song. 628 00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:40,417 I think there's lots of better songs out on different records. 629 00:45:40,537 --> 00:45:43,921 It's just... it was the time, the attitude, 630 00:45:44,041 --> 00:45:46,790 it was the concept, the world was trying to change. 631 00:45:46,910 --> 00:45:49,413 It didn't quite make it, but it made a small move. 632 00:45:50,114 --> 00:45:52,496 It was in the air... 633 00:45:52,616 --> 00:45:55,833 For me, the psychedelic years were the most exciting. 634 00:45:55,953 --> 00:45:59,036 It's like a period. If you listen to music from the '20 or the '30s, 635 00:45:59,156 --> 00:46:03,107 it has a sort of sound to it, and I think that's important. 636 00:46:03,227 --> 00:46:09,313 If you want to listen to something like a Hoagy Carmichael tune, 637 00:46:09,433 --> 00:46:13,083 well, it's partly the song that you like, and it's partly the way he did it, 638 00:46:13,203 --> 00:46:15,753 and it's also partly the way it was recorded, 639 00:46:15,873 --> 00:46:17,955 how the microphones sounded in those days, 640 00:46:18,075 --> 00:46:20,624 how the tube amplifiers in the boards... 641 00:46:20,744 --> 00:46:23,694 You know, it's all that kind of atmosphere, 642 00:46:23,814 --> 00:46:25,953 and it becomes a little period piece. 643 00:46:26,617 --> 00:46:28,265 (Phil Collins) The concept of the thing, 644 00:46:28,385 --> 00:46:30,734 I mean, before concept albums became a dirty word, 645 00:46:30,854 --> 00:46:32,903 you'd put it on and sit down and say, 646 00:46:33,023 --> 00:46:36,507 "For the next 5O minutes, I'm gonna be going there." 647 00:46:36,627 --> 00:46:38,698 So, it was very new from that point of view. 648 00:46:46,203 --> 00:46:50,688 (Ringo) Well, you know, the whole flower power thing fell apart in the end. 649 00:46:50,808 --> 00:46:54,258 I mean, there's still some great, old hippies out there, 650 00:46:54,378 --> 00:46:56,527 travelling in their vans, but... 651 00:46:56,647 --> 00:47:00,618 It wasn't the movement that I felt it could have been. 652 00:47:00,984 --> 00:47:03,534 I must confess that when we were going through "pepper", 653 00:47:03,654 --> 00:47:06,303 people were saying, "How's it coming along?" I'd say "Fine." 654 00:47:06,423 --> 00:47:10,040 And I must confess, as we were getting longer and longer into the album 655 00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,943 and more and more avant-garde, 656 00:47:13,063 --> 00:47:16,080 I was wondering whether we were being a little bit over the top 657 00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,549 and a little bit... maybe pretentious. 658 00:47:18,669 --> 00:47:22,786 Just a slight niggle of worry. I thought, "ls the public ready for this yet?" 659 00:47:22,906 --> 00:47:25,723 The musical papers which I used to read 660 00:47:25,843 --> 00:47:28,659 were starting to slag us off, because we hadn't done anything, 661 00:47:28,779 --> 00:47:31,061 because it took five months to record. 662 00:47:31,181 --> 00:47:34,164 And I remember with great glee seeing in one of the papers, 663 00:47:34,284 --> 00:47:37,401 "Oh, the Beatles have dried up. there's nothing coming from them. 664 00:47:37,521 --> 00:47:39,831 "they've been in the studio. They can't think what they're doing." 665 00:47:39,923 --> 00:47:43,427 And I was sitting rubbing my hands, saying, "You just wait."58706

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