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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,235 --> 00:00:04,203 Narrator: According to the bible, moses is one of 2 00:00:04,305 --> 00:00:06,972 the most important prophets in history. 3 00:00:07,074 --> 00:00:10,542 But what do we know about the actual man himself? 4 00:00:10,644 --> 00:00:12,745 Surprisingly very little. 5 00:00:12,847 --> 00:00:15,881 There seem to be no factual accounts of moses 6 00:00:15,983 --> 00:00:17,182 and little evidence 7 00:00:17,284 --> 00:00:20,986 from archaeology or historical records to prove 8 00:00:21,088 --> 00:00:23,288 the exodus story is true. 9 00:00:23,391 --> 00:00:26,625 Whether moses is legend or fact, 10 00:00:26,727 --> 00:00:32,097 he is a towering figure in all abrahamic religions. 11 00:00:45,146 --> 00:00:46,845 Narrator: Academics, archaeologists, 12 00:00:46,947 --> 00:00:49,114 and historians debate over when 13 00:00:49,216 --> 00:00:52,518 moses lived and if he lived at all, 14 00:00:52,620 --> 00:00:54,653 whether the stories of the ten commandments, 15 00:00:54,755 --> 00:00:58,090 the burning bush, and even the parting of the red sea 16 00:00:58,192 --> 00:00:59,191 actually happened. 17 00:01:01,128 --> 00:01:03,228 Kirkpatrick: He performed great acts of magic, 18 00:01:03,330 --> 00:01:06,965 which he claimed were miracles...Or were they? 19 00:01:08,135 --> 00:01:11,937 Boxall: Is there a scientific explanation behind this story? 20 00:01:13,107 --> 00:01:14,840 And the answer is, yes, we can do it very simply. 21 00:01:16,310 --> 00:01:19,344 Phillips: If my historical research is correct, 22 00:01:19,447 --> 00:01:22,181 then moses was the most important person 23 00:01:22,283 --> 00:01:23,449 who ever lived. 24 00:01:26,353 --> 00:01:36,228 ♪ 25 00:01:36,330 --> 00:01:46,238 ♪ 26 00:01:46,340 --> 00:01:54,913 ♪ 27 00:01:55,015 --> 00:01:57,449 narrator: Moses is one of the most important figures 28 00:01:57,551 --> 00:01:58,650 in the old testament, 29 00:01:58,786 --> 00:02:00,419 according to the bible, 30 00:02:00,521 --> 00:02:03,122 but who is this mysterious character? 31 00:02:06,694 --> 00:02:08,093 Gough: Moses was a prophet 32 00:02:08,195 --> 00:02:11,396 according to christianity and islam. 33 00:02:11,499 --> 00:02:13,098 The jury is still out on 34 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:14,466 whether he is a real, 35 00:02:14,568 --> 00:02:17,870 historical figure or mythological. 36 00:02:19,173 --> 00:02:20,806 Mcmahon: I mean, he may have been a legendary figure. 37 00:02:20,908 --> 00:02:24,109 He may have been factual, but he's the most important 38 00:02:24,211 --> 00:02:26,345 prophet in the old testament. 39 00:02:26,447 --> 00:02:29,214 You know, he writes the torah, the laws of god. 40 00:02:29,316 --> 00:02:31,717 He leads the israelites out of egypt, 41 00:02:31,819 --> 00:02:33,986 out of bondage to the promised land. 42 00:02:34,088 --> 00:02:37,589 And he is, among all the prophets, the most revered, 43 00:02:37,691 --> 00:02:38,824 the most important. 44 00:02:41,095 --> 00:02:46,231 [ singing in foreign language ] 45 00:02:46,333 --> 00:02:50,202 young-somers: Moses holds a very important role in the three big 46 00:02:50,304 --> 00:02:51,670 monotheistic faiths, 47 00:02:51,772 --> 00:02:56,808 as the archetype leader certainly forms the majority 48 00:02:56,911 --> 00:02:59,411 of the narrative through the five books of moses, 49 00:02:59,513 --> 00:03:02,481 which are obviously cortex for both jews and christians, 50 00:03:02,583 --> 00:03:04,616 whether that's in the old testament or in the hebrew 51 00:03:04,718 --> 00:03:07,686 bible and torah, and then he's also considered a very 52 00:03:07,788 --> 00:03:10,355 important prophet in islam, too, so, 53 00:03:10,457 --> 00:03:14,259 I think, a core figure for all the three abrahamic faiths. 54 00:03:18,165 --> 00:03:20,732 Narrator: The traditional story is that moses was 55 00:03:20,834 --> 00:03:24,136 the son of a hebrew slave in ancient egypt. 56 00:03:24,238 --> 00:03:27,206 At the time, the pharaoh feared his growing 57 00:03:27,308 --> 00:03:28,707 hebrew population 58 00:03:28,809 --> 00:03:32,678 and ordered all of their newborn boys to be slain. 59 00:03:32,780 --> 00:03:35,781 So to escape this fate, moses's mother 60 00:03:35,883 --> 00:03:39,318 hid her son in a basket and set it free on 61 00:03:39,420 --> 00:03:40,619 the river nile. 62 00:03:45,859 --> 00:03:48,093 Moses is found by no less a person than 63 00:03:48,195 --> 00:03:49,394 pharaoh's daughter, 64 00:03:49,496 --> 00:03:52,698 who brings him to the royal palace, where he's brought up. 65 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,300 Now, not only is that dramatic in terms of the context, 66 00:03:55,402 --> 00:03:58,203 but in terms of story-writing and symbol, that's the most 67 00:03:58,305 --> 00:03:59,171 powerful you get, 68 00:03:59,273 --> 00:04:00,806 because it's a transitional moment. 69 00:04:00,908 --> 00:04:04,576 It's liminal, he's moving from one world into the next world 70 00:04:04,678 --> 00:04:08,847 through the water -- he's being set up as a hero in the making. 71 00:04:08,949 --> 00:04:10,849 Narrator: As moses enters adulthood, 72 00:04:10,951 --> 00:04:13,385 he embarks on a troubling path, 73 00:04:13,487 --> 00:04:17,556 torn between his egyptian upbringing and his hebrew roots. 74 00:04:18,659 --> 00:04:21,493 Bianchi: Moses, as this adopted egyptian, 75 00:04:21,595 --> 00:04:26,298 sees his people being mistreated, and moses sees 76 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,935 an egyptian overseer beat a hebrew worker. 77 00:04:31,605 --> 00:04:33,972 And moses waits for an opportune time, 78 00:04:35,309 --> 00:04:37,943 goes up to the egyptian, and murders him. 79 00:04:40,481 --> 00:04:42,981 News of his murder 80 00:04:43,083 --> 00:04:46,818 is on everybody's lips, and pharaoh starts 81 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:48,153 to look for him. 82 00:04:49,623 --> 00:04:52,291 Narrator: Moses escaped to the desert and led 83 00:04:52,393 --> 00:04:55,394 a simple life in exile as a shepherd. 84 00:04:55,496 --> 00:04:58,463 One day, while tending his flock, he encountered 85 00:04:58,565 --> 00:05:01,366 a burning bush and the voice of god, 86 00:05:01,468 --> 00:05:04,803 telling him to return to egypt, confront the pharaoh, 87 00:05:04,905 --> 00:05:08,573 free the hebrews, and take them to the promised land. 88 00:05:09,677 --> 00:05:11,543 To support moses's mission, 89 00:05:11,645 --> 00:05:14,980 god summons ten plagues to terrorize the pharaoh. 90 00:05:15,082 --> 00:05:21,987 ♪ 91 00:05:22,089 --> 00:05:24,589 after agreeing to moses's terms, 92 00:05:24,692 --> 00:05:28,460 the pharaoh changed his mind and gave chase. 93 00:05:28,562 --> 00:05:31,630 With the hebrews trapped on the edge of the red sea, 94 00:05:31,765 --> 00:05:34,800 moses used his staff to part the waves, 95 00:05:34,902 --> 00:05:36,935 allowing the desperate group to escape. 96 00:05:39,840 --> 00:05:41,973 The egyptian army followed, 97 00:05:42,076 --> 00:05:45,010 but is engulfed by the violent waters. 98 00:05:45,112 --> 00:05:48,747 This allowed moses to lead his people to mount sinai, 99 00:05:48,849 --> 00:05:51,183 where god gave him the ten commandments 100 00:05:51,285 --> 00:05:53,952 and then took his people to the promised land. 101 00:05:57,825 --> 00:06:01,193 Young-somers: Moses is a flawed individual 102 00:06:01,295 --> 00:06:02,327 in the jewish tradition, 103 00:06:02,429 --> 00:06:04,863 but also the greatest leader that we've had. 104 00:06:04,965 --> 00:06:07,232 And I think moses's 105 00:06:07,334 --> 00:06:10,769 flaws are -- are, for me, 106 00:06:10,871 --> 00:06:12,404 an important part of the narrative, 107 00:06:12,506 --> 00:06:14,005 because it teaches us that 108 00:06:14,108 --> 00:06:16,808 even as flawed people ourselves, 109 00:06:16,877 --> 00:06:18,543 we can still make a difference. 110 00:06:18,645 --> 00:06:20,679 We can still contribute, and that 111 00:06:20,781 --> 00:06:22,681 god can still be in a relationship with us, 112 00:06:22,783 --> 00:06:24,082 even though we make mistakes. 113 00:06:27,187 --> 00:06:30,822 Gough: By all accounts, moses was a virtuous man, 114 00:06:30,924 --> 00:06:32,691 a man of his principles. 115 00:06:32,793 --> 00:06:35,861 He was dedicated -- no matter how difficult 116 00:06:35,963 --> 00:06:39,297 or arduous the task that he was given, 117 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,033 he did it, so he's become this sort of 118 00:06:42,136 --> 00:06:46,805 inspirational figure who wanted to do things his way 119 00:06:46,907 --> 00:06:50,642 no matter what the established norm was at that time. 120 00:06:53,713 --> 00:06:56,148 Narrator: For such a central religious figure, 121 00:06:56,250 --> 00:07:00,552 the lack of evidence around him is, well, outstanding. 122 00:07:00,654 --> 00:07:03,221 There are no archaeological findings to support 123 00:07:03,323 --> 00:07:04,556 the biblical story 124 00:07:04,658 --> 00:07:07,459 and certainly no extra biblical references 125 00:07:07,561 --> 00:07:09,928 in egyptian inscriptions. 126 00:07:10,063 --> 00:07:13,698 The absence of proof is a huge problem for historians, 127 00:07:13,801 --> 00:07:16,101 archaeologists, and academics. 128 00:07:20,073 --> 00:07:23,041 There is strangely no evidence that moses 129 00:07:23,143 --> 00:07:25,310 was a historical figure, and I say strangely, 130 00:07:25,412 --> 00:07:27,979 because the egyptians were so good at keeping records, 131 00:07:28,081 --> 00:07:31,316 and to not have a record there is interesting. 132 00:07:31,418 --> 00:07:34,252 We even have records of people who -- whose records were 133 00:07:34,354 --> 00:07:35,754 effaced, like hatshepsut 134 00:07:35,856 --> 00:07:38,156 when she was stricken from records by her son 135 00:07:38,258 --> 00:07:39,758 after he came to power. 136 00:07:39,860 --> 00:07:42,260 We know that that happened, but we have nothing on moses. 137 00:07:44,898 --> 00:07:50,035 Like many, many great, epic tales, 138 00:07:50,137 --> 00:07:51,937 there might be 139 00:07:52,039 --> 00:07:54,105 just a kernel of truth 140 00:07:54,208 --> 00:07:57,375 upon whom the character of moses is based, 141 00:07:57,478 --> 00:07:59,678 and I'm not prepared 142 00:07:59,780 --> 00:08:02,714 to dismiss him out of hand. 143 00:08:02,816 --> 00:08:06,084 Although, when you study traditions, 144 00:08:06,186 --> 00:08:07,719 you understand that... 145 00:08:08,789 --> 00:08:12,090 History has a chance of being 146 00:08:12,192 --> 00:08:15,093 morphed into something larger than life. 147 00:08:17,865 --> 00:08:22,400 Gough: Now those who believe it is a authentic story 148 00:08:22,503 --> 00:08:25,637 that the israelites were held captive in egypt 149 00:08:25,739 --> 00:08:30,876 and left in the exodus point us to different locations 150 00:08:30,978 --> 00:08:33,578 and different periods in time, 151 00:08:33,680 --> 00:08:37,482 which is why we don't find the evidence we think we should. 152 00:08:39,152 --> 00:08:42,921 Narrator: So where can we find evidence for the real moses? 153 00:08:43,056 --> 00:08:44,990 And what controversial theories are 154 00:08:45,092 --> 00:08:48,360 given to explain his supernatural powers? 155 00:08:54,201 --> 00:08:59,471 ♪ 156 00:08:59,573 --> 00:09:01,506 narrator: Did the legendary biblical figure 157 00:09:01,608 --> 00:09:03,875 of moses really exist? 158 00:09:03,977 --> 00:09:07,212 Archaeological evidence has yet to unearth any proof of 159 00:09:07,314 --> 00:09:08,747 his life, or even that 160 00:09:08,849 --> 00:09:11,883 of his followers in egypt or in the deserts of 161 00:09:11,985 --> 00:09:14,019 the sinai peninsula. 162 00:09:14,121 --> 00:09:16,621 Yet there are tantalizing clues in the story of 163 00:09:16,723 --> 00:09:20,058 something that may be more than mere folk tale. 164 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:23,929 For a start, there is the name moses itself. 165 00:09:28,035 --> 00:09:32,637 Bianchi: The name moses can etymologically be related 166 00:09:32,739 --> 00:09:34,339 to the egyptian, 167 00:09:34,441 --> 00:09:38,076 the ancient egyptian verb, meaning "to be born." 168 00:09:38,178 --> 00:09:43,448 and so, in a sense, if you want to take an egyptian slant, 169 00:09:43,550 --> 00:09:46,718 moses has an egyptian name, because, quote, 170 00:09:46,820 --> 00:09:48,987 "he was born out of the water." 171 00:09:54,027 --> 00:09:56,628 mcmahon: The old testament tells us that moses was 172 00:09:56,730 --> 00:09:59,931 a fourth generation egyptian, I mean, this is 173 00:10:00,033 --> 00:10:03,134 essentially a citizen of ancient egypt, 174 00:10:03,236 --> 00:10:06,137 as were most of the jewish people that he led out 175 00:10:06,239 --> 00:10:07,238 of bondage. 176 00:10:07,341 --> 00:10:10,742 So if we'd met moses, we'd have met essentially 177 00:10:10,844 --> 00:10:14,079 an ancient egyptian by appearance, 178 00:10:14,181 --> 00:10:16,748 possibly even by language, by culture. 179 00:10:19,553 --> 00:10:22,587 Narrator: Although he led the hebrews out of slavery, 180 00:10:22,689 --> 00:10:24,990 moses's egyptian link might 181 00:10:25,092 --> 00:10:27,192 be stronger than the bible reveals. 182 00:10:28,595 --> 00:10:31,162 Interestingly, his story has a strange echo 183 00:10:31,264 --> 00:10:34,265 of the life of egyptian pharaoh akhenaten, 184 00:10:34,368 --> 00:10:36,835 the first monotheist known to history. 185 00:10:38,005 --> 00:10:41,773 Author and egyptologist ahmed osman has written 186 00:10:41,875 --> 00:10:45,343 several books outlining his belief that moses was 187 00:10:45,445 --> 00:10:46,745 akhenaten. 188 00:11:18,345 --> 00:11:23,515 Akhenaten reigned from 1352 to 1338 bc 189 00:11:23,617 --> 00:11:26,851 and proclaimed that there was only one true god, 190 00:11:26,953 --> 00:11:29,154 aten, the sun disc. 191 00:11:29,256 --> 00:11:31,423 All others were false. 192 00:11:31,525 --> 00:11:35,560 But when akhenaten died, the old religious system revived 193 00:11:35,662 --> 00:11:37,195 and then obliterated 194 00:11:37,297 --> 00:11:40,832 akhenaten's memory and that of his son and heir, 195 00:11:40,934 --> 00:11:42,067 tutankhamun. 196 00:11:43,970 --> 00:11:47,372 Mcmahon: You could rightly call akhenaten the heretic pharaoh, 197 00:11:47,474 --> 00:11:51,376 because he rejects the official religion, 198 00:11:51,478 --> 00:11:53,878 the state religion of ancient egypt, 199 00:11:53,980 --> 00:11:56,347 I mean, which was hugely important to people. 200 00:11:56,450 --> 00:11:58,416 I mean, they governed their lives 201 00:11:58,518 --> 00:12:00,518 by what they thought the gods wanted. 202 00:12:00,620 --> 00:12:03,321 Akhenaten comes along. He throws all that out. 203 00:12:03,423 --> 00:12:07,225 He goes to war against thebes and the temples of luxor 204 00:12:07,327 --> 00:12:08,293 and memphis, 205 00:12:08,395 --> 00:12:10,762 against all the priests, he sends in his soldiers 206 00:12:10,864 --> 00:12:14,966 to smash up statues, to hack faces off the temples. 207 00:12:15,068 --> 00:12:17,102 I mean, this is an extraordinary, 208 00:12:17,204 --> 00:12:20,038 short-lived period in egyptian history. 209 00:12:22,175 --> 00:12:24,476 Narrator: But can this mysterious pharaoh really 210 00:12:24,578 --> 00:12:26,111 be the historical moses? 211 00:12:27,247 --> 00:12:29,047 Was akhenaten's religion 212 00:12:29,149 --> 00:12:31,516 the forerunner to the abrahamic faiths? 213 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,489 It's possible that moses was inspired by akhenaten in -- 214 00:12:37,591 --> 00:12:40,091 in some ways and ran with it and changed it, 215 00:12:40,193 --> 00:12:42,293 turned it on its head. 216 00:12:42,395 --> 00:12:44,996 But we really don't know, 217 00:12:45,098 --> 00:12:48,133 and I think the monotheistic thing is overplayed. 218 00:12:48,235 --> 00:12:49,968 The similarities are overplayed. 219 00:12:51,972 --> 00:12:57,142 Bianchi: The israelites are not monotheists 220 00:12:57,244 --> 00:13:00,879 until after they leave israel 221 00:13:00,981 --> 00:13:05,216 and form a national covenant. 222 00:13:05,318 --> 00:13:07,352 So here, you know, you're putting the horse 223 00:13:07,454 --> 00:13:09,587 in front of the wagon or behind the wagon, 224 00:13:09,689 --> 00:13:12,857 okay, he's not a monotheist until they get to 225 00:13:12,959 --> 00:13:13,958 the promised land, 226 00:13:14,060 --> 00:13:15,894 and they don't get to the promised land 227 00:13:15,996 --> 00:13:18,429 until after moses is dead. 228 00:13:18,532 --> 00:13:21,733 So trying to connect those dots just ignores 229 00:13:21,835 --> 00:13:23,935 all of the evidence as we know it. 230 00:13:26,907 --> 00:13:29,841 Narrator: Even if akhenaten is not the real moses, 231 00:13:29,943 --> 00:13:32,744 some experts believe there is still a link. 232 00:13:34,581 --> 00:13:36,481 By researching the bible and writings 233 00:13:36,583 --> 00:13:39,384 of the ancient jewish historian josephus, 234 00:13:39,486 --> 00:13:43,321 author and historian graham phillips agrees that akhenaten 235 00:13:43,456 --> 00:13:45,056 is not moses, 236 00:13:45,158 --> 00:13:47,425 but his brother, thutmosis. 237 00:13:49,596 --> 00:13:54,098 Phillips: Thutmosis was a prince in the court. 238 00:13:54,201 --> 00:13:57,202 Thutmosis was also a leading general. 239 00:13:57,270 --> 00:13:58,803 He was, in fact, in charge of 240 00:13:58,905 --> 00:14:02,540 all the king's chariot forces, and thutmosis 241 00:14:02,642 --> 00:14:06,878 also acted for a while as the grand vizier, 242 00:14:06,980 --> 00:14:10,148 the prime minister, the chief minister of egypt. 243 00:14:12,485 --> 00:14:14,886 All of those things 244 00:14:14,988 --> 00:14:18,756 we are told by josephus and also 245 00:14:18,859 --> 00:14:23,761 partly in the bible, applied to moses -- moses, 246 00:14:23,864 --> 00:14:25,330 we are told, 247 00:14:25,432 --> 00:14:30,602 was exiled from egypt, and exactly the same thing 248 00:14:30,704 --> 00:14:32,837 happens to thutmosis. 249 00:14:32,939 --> 00:14:34,472 He was exiled from egypt. 250 00:14:34,574 --> 00:14:36,908 We know this, because archaeologists have discovered 251 00:14:37,010 --> 00:14:39,444 a tomb prepared for him, 252 00:14:39,546 --> 00:14:40,778 but it was never used. 253 00:14:41,948 --> 00:14:44,916 And the only conclusion that people have come to, because 254 00:14:45,018 --> 00:14:46,451 they can find no records of him 255 00:14:46,553 --> 00:14:52,090 dying in office, is that he was exiled. 256 00:14:52,192 --> 00:14:53,291 Once again, 257 00:14:53,393 --> 00:14:57,929 moses and thutmosis are living almost identical lives 258 00:14:58,031 --> 00:15:00,531 at exactly the same time. 259 00:15:01,468 --> 00:15:04,736 Narrator: Whether or not moses was, in fact, a well-documented 260 00:15:04,838 --> 00:15:06,170 egyptian leader, 261 00:15:06,273 --> 00:15:09,574 his story goes on to tell of fantastic miracles. 262 00:15:12,379 --> 00:15:16,080 Could the story of the burning bush really have happened? 263 00:15:16,182 --> 00:15:19,717 And could mind-altering substances have generated 264 00:15:19,819 --> 00:15:21,319 moses's visions? 265 00:15:29,329 --> 00:15:30,862 Narrator: The historical existence of 266 00:15:30,964 --> 00:15:34,532 the biblical prophet moses might be debatable, 267 00:15:34,634 --> 00:15:38,269 but as the traditional story goes, after he was exiled 268 00:15:38,371 --> 00:15:40,905 in the desert wilderness for decades, 269 00:15:41,007 --> 00:15:43,608 a miraculous encounter changed his life. 270 00:15:45,612 --> 00:15:47,879 The story goes that on mount horeb, 271 00:15:47,981 --> 00:15:53,384 moses saw a burning bush, which was, in fact, god 272 00:15:53,486 --> 00:15:55,853 speaking to him, telling him, 273 00:15:55,956 --> 00:16:00,391 instructing him to take the israelites out of egypt 274 00:16:00,493 --> 00:16:01,926 to the promised land. 275 00:16:03,630 --> 00:16:04,996 Mcmahon: The burning bush is -- is what 276 00:16:05,098 --> 00:16:07,799 movie makers call an inciting incident. 277 00:16:07,901 --> 00:16:09,567 It's that plot point. 278 00:16:09,669 --> 00:16:12,737 It's that moment in the story of moses 279 00:16:12,839 --> 00:16:15,039 when he's got to go on his quest. 280 00:16:15,141 --> 00:16:17,709 The burning bush is what makes it all happen. 281 00:16:22,549 --> 00:16:25,616 Narrator: This fantastic vision was traditionally seen as 282 00:16:25,719 --> 00:16:26,851 a miracle, 283 00:16:26,953 --> 00:16:30,421 but some believe there is a radical alternative theory. 284 00:16:31,624 --> 00:16:33,257 Doblin: I think moses could very well have been 285 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,560 using psychedelics -- we don't know for sure, 286 00:16:35,662 --> 00:16:37,495 but I think it's entirely possible. 287 00:16:39,799 --> 00:16:41,466 Narrator: Rick doblin is the founder 288 00:16:41,568 --> 00:16:44,802 of the association for psychedelic studies. 289 00:16:44,904 --> 00:16:46,738 He believes moses could have used 290 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:50,008 mind-altering drugs to generate his visions. 291 00:16:53,713 --> 00:16:57,215 Doblin: So the burning bush, to me, represents a not uncommon 292 00:16:57,317 --> 00:16:58,649 experience that people have 293 00:16:58,752 --> 00:17:00,284 under the influence of psychedelics, 294 00:17:00,387 --> 00:17:04,522 where they look at nature, and they realize that it's alive. 295 00:17:04,624 --> 00:17:06,290 It's got energy in it. 296 00:17:06,393 --> 00:17:08,893 And so the course of energy through 297 00:17:09,028 --> 00:17:12,530 this plant could be interpreted as fire. 298 00:17:15,001 --> 00:17:19,137 And so my interpretation of that event was that it was more 299 00:17:19,239 --> 00:17:20,571 that, uh, you know, 300 00:17:20,673 --> 00:17:23,207 moses saw the inner fire, and that if we could see 301 00:17:23,309 --> 00:17:26,577 the energy, we might interpret it as fire. 302 00:17:28,348 --> 00:17:32,250 Narrator: In fact, nature might provide another explanation. 303 00:17:34,220 --> 00:17:38,356 In the area where this is said to have occurred, 304 00:17:38,458 --> 00:17:40,591 there grows acacia wood. 305 00:17:40,693 --> 00:17:44,429 And if you burn acacia wood or an acacia tree burns 306 00:17:44,531 --> 00:17:46,497 and you're close enough to inhale the smoke, 307 00:17:46,599 --> 00:17:48,733 you will hallucinate. 308 00:17:49,869 --> 00:17:52,970 Narrator: This is because acacia bark 309 00:17:53,073 --> 00:17:56,040 contains a substance called dmt, 310 00:17:56,142 --> 00:17:58,443 or dimethyltryptamine, which is 311 00:17:58,545 --> 00:18:00,311 a powerful hallucinogenic. 312 00:18:02,482 --> 00:18:05,016 Mcmahon: It's even suggested that moses was a kind of 313 00:18:05,118 --> 00:18:06,417 shaman-type figure 314 00:18:06,519 --> 00:18:09,420 who may have known this and set the bush alight in 315 00:18:09,522 --> 00:18:12,323 order to have that kind of experience, 316 00:18:12,425 --> 00:18:14,592 that communing with the spiritual 317 00:18:14,694 --> 00:18:17,061 that only basically a narcotic-driven high 318 00:18:17,163 --> 00:18:18,096 could've given him. 319 00:18:19,365 --> 00:18:22,233 Narrator: But is this really an outlandish theory? 320 00:18:22,335 --> 00:18:25,736 Artificial methods to achieve spiritual enlightenment 321 00:18:25,839 --> 00:18:27,238 have been used by cultures 322 00:18:27,340 --> 00:18:30,208 all across the world for thousands of years. 323 00:18:32,579 --> 00:18:34,912 Doblin: I think they're -- psychedelics were seen 324 00:18:35,047 --> 00:18:36,881 as powerful tools to 325 00:18:36,983 --> 00:18:38,349 help us get out of our, sort of, 326 00:18:38,451 --> 00:18:41,486 ego identification, our sense of self, 327 00:18:41,588 --> 00:18:44,589 and that there has been a reason for people to do 328 00:18:44,691 --> 00:18:46,657 various things in terms of 329 00:18:46,759 --> 00:18:50,795 drumming or fasting, vision quests, 330 00:18:50,897 --> 00:18:55,500 and so I would imagine that psychedelics could be 331 00:18:55,602 --> 00:18:58,269 something that was appreciated by moses 332 00:18:58,371 --> 00:19:00,304 and people around that time. 333 00:19:03,476 --> 00:19:05,877 Picknett: That could have been a completely pivotal moment 334 00:19:05,979 --> 00:19:07,645 in several great religions, 335 00:19:07,780 --> 00:19:10,915 and it might all have been due to burning bark. 336 00:19:12,519 --> 00:19:15,720 Bianchi: So there's nothing in the biblical account 337 00:19:15,822 --> 00:19:18,990 to suggest that he's eating or... 338 00:19:19,092 --> 00:19:21,959 Inhaling or... Uh... 339 00:19:22,061 --> 00:19:23,427 Hallucinogens, 340 00:19:23,530 --> 00:19:26,097 so I -- I take 341 00:19:26,199 --> 00:19:27,598 scripture literally. 342 00:19:27,700 --> 00:19:29,133 He's watching a slot. 343 00:19:29,235 --> 00:19:30,168 He sees something. 344 00:19:30,270 --> 00:19:31,602 He goes over to investigate 345 00:19:31,704 --> 00:19:34,972 and gets the conversation with the almighty. 346 00:19:36,943 --> 00:19:39,911 Narrator: Aside from talking to god in the burning bush, 347 00:19:40,013 --> 00:19:41,345 there are still other miracles 348 00:19:41,447 --> 00:19:44,182 moses is said to have performed, such as parting 349 00:19:44,284 --> 00:19:45,917 the red sea. 350 00:19:46,019 --> 00:19:47,485 It is not surprising that such 351 00:19:47,587 --> 00:19:51,422 an unbelievable tale raises debate among scholars. 352 00:19:54,627 --> 00:19:58,429 The miraculous crossing of the red sea has to be 353 00:19:58,531 --> 00:20:01,098 the most -- one of the most stunning, incredible events 354 00:20:01,201 --> 00:20:03,034 in the old testament. 355 00:20:03,136 --> 00:20:06,637 It's the fact that moses is able to lead 356 00:20:06,739 --> 00:20:08,706 the jewish people, the israelites, 357 00:20:08,808 --> 00:20:11,909 out of egypt through what seems like an impossible 358 00:20:12,011 --> 00:20:13,110 stretch of water. 359 00:20:13,213 --> 00:20:16,681 And then, as the egyptians come chasing after them, 360 00:20:16,783 --> 00:20:20,585 god closes the sea in on pharaoh and his hundreds of 361 00:20:20,687 --> 00:20:22,220 chariots, drowning them all. 362 00:20:24,991 --> 00:20:27,692 Narrator: But could this really have happened in the red sea 363 00:20:27,794 --> 00:20:28,759 we know today? 364 00:20:29,929 --> 00:20:31,629 The very name of the body of water 365 00:20:31,731 --> 00:20:35,233 moses crossed may have been mistakenly identified 366 00:20:35,335 --> 00:20:36,334 for centuries. 367 00:20:38,638 --> 00:20:42,106 I'm not entirely sure where the mistranslation of "red sea" 368 00:20:42,208 --> 00:20:44,041 comes from -- it's in hebrew, yam suph, 369 00:20:44,143 --> 00:20:45,309 which is reed sea. 370 00:20:46,946 --> 00:20:50,047 It may have bean that someone wrote "reed sea," 371 00:20:50,183 --> 00:20:52,583 and then it was missed out, 372 00:20:52,685 --> 00:20:54,518 the e got dropped, and actually, in hebrew, 373 00:20:54,621 --> 00:20:55,753 that happens quite frequently 374 00:20:55,855 --> 00:20:59,090 that manuscripts would have been repeatedly written down 375 00:20:59,192 --> 00:21:01,859 by hand, and little errors will creep in. 376 00:21:03,029 --> 00:21:05,730 I think red sea will be pretty hard to get rid of now. 377 00:21:05,832 --> 00:21:09,133 It's pretty much embedded in how we tell the story. 378 00:21:09,235 --> 00:21:12,136 Narrator: Regardless of whether moses crossed the red sea 379 00:21:12,238 --> 00:21:14,572 or the reed sea, 380 00:21:14,674 --> 00:21:18,075 can science proved he was capable of parting the waves? 381 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,221 Narrator: The bible tells us that moses led his followers 382 00:21:30,323 --> 00:21:33,624 to safety by parting the waters of the red sea. 383 00:21:34,761 --> 00:21:37,762 But could the fantastical event really have happened in 384 00:21:37,864 --> 00:21:41,966 the red sea we know today or another nearby body of water? 385 00:21:43,569 --> 00:21:45,903 Simon boxall is an oceanographer 386 00:21:46,005 --> 00:21:49,073 from southampton university in England. 387 00:21:49,175 --> 00:21:52,176 He evaluates the modern scientific ideas 388 00:21:52,278 --> 00:21:54,578 that explain this mysterious sea crossing. 389 00:21:54,681 --> 00:22:01,786 ♪ 390 00:22:01,888 --> 00:22:05,122 boxall: There are many theories that go with this story. 391 00:22:06,292 --> 00:22:07,491 One is that around 392 00:22:07,593 --> 00:22:11,696 about the same time, we know that there was a huge explosion, 393 00:22:11,798 --> 00:22:15,566 volcanic explosion, eruption, on santorini, 394 00:22:15,668 --> 00:22:18,903 and that basically caused a huge tsunami. 395 00:22:19,005 --> 00:22:21,472 And one theory is that it was a tsunami that 396 00:22:21,574 --> 00:22:24,442 came at just the right time to allow them to cross. 397 00:22:24,544 --> 00:22:28,346 Now the theory there is flawed, it's flawed for two reasons. 398 00:22:28,448 --> 00:22:31,315 One is, if you look at models of the tsunami that would have 399 00:22:31,417 --> 00:22:33,718 occurred, then the island chain, 400 00:22:33,820 --> 00:22:36,754 crete, to the south off santorini, would have protected 401 00:22:36,856 --> 00:22:39,256 the egyptian coast, and the biggest tsunami that 402 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:40,458 would've got there would have been about a meter, 403 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,159 a meter and 1/2, 404 00:22:42,228 --> 00:22:44,862 and when a tsunami hits, 405 00:22:44,964 --> 00:22:48,265 the tide or the water can recede for a short while 406 00:22:48,368 --> 00:22:50,501 and then come back in again. 407 00:22:50,603 --> 00:22:53,204 That's great -- the problem with that is, 408 00:22:53,306 --> 00:22:55,406 that it only happens for about five minutes, 409 00:22:55,508 --> 00:22:58,175 and you're not going to get an entire army 410 00:22:58,277 --> 00:23:02,546 or population across that sort of causeway in that period. 411 00:23:04,016 --> 00:23:06,217 A second theory that's put down is that 412 00:23:06,319 --> 00:23:09,353 the bible talks about strong winds from the east. 413 00:23:10,823 --> 00:23:13,758 The idea that the wind literally blows the sea 414 00:23:13,860 --> 00:23:15,893 and creates a pileup somewhere, 415 00:23:15,995 --> 00:23:18,195 which means you then get a sort of gap somewhere else, 416 00:23:18,297 --> 00:23:20,030 is flawed -- it's flawed 417 00:23:20,133 --> 00:23:22,433 because the effect isn't that great. 418 00:23:22,535 --> 00:23:24,835 You're not going to suddenly clear a causeway 419 00:23:24,937 --> 00:23:26,137 as a result of that setdown. 420 00:23:29,809 --> 00:23:32,510 Narrator: Back in his lab, simon demonstrates how 421 00:23:32,612 --> 00:23:35,413 he believes the sea crossing really took place. 422 00:23:40,019 --> 00:23:42,586 Boxall: I think the reason that the seas parted 423 00:23:42,688 --> 00:23:44,955 was because of a seiche effect. 424 00:23:45,057 --> 00:23:46,857 Now that sounds very technical, but actually it's 425 00:23:46,959 --> 00:23:49,660 something that happens around the world every single day, 426 00:23:49,762 --> 00:23:51,061 and it's... 427 00:23:51,164 --> 00:23:55,199 An event hitting the natural frequency of a basin. 428 00:23:55,301 --> 00:23:58,335 That also sounds complex, but we've done it as kids. 429 00:23:58,438 --> 00:23:59,670 If we lay back in the bath 430 00:23:59,772 --> 00:24:01,505 and rock backwards and forwards at just 431 00:24:01,607 --> 00:24:02,873 the right speed, 432 00:24:02,975 --> 00:24:04,442 then we suddenly take the water with us, 433 00:24:04,544 --> 00:24:06,477 and we can actually effectively empty half a ton 434 00:24:06,579 --> 00:24:09,079 of water onto the floor very efficiently. 435 00:24:09,182 --> 00:24:10,714 You could do that from splashing, 436 00:24:10,817 --> 00:24:13,517 and that's because we're hitting the critical frequency, 437 00:24:13,619 --> 00:24:16,153 and we can see that in a very simple experiment here. 438 00:24:16,255 --> 00:24:19,356 We have a bottle of water, and that bottle of water, 439 00:24:19,459 --> 00:24:21,325 you can imagine that is your red sea, 440 00:24:21,427 --> 00:24:24,228 and actually, I can sort of create disturbances, 441 00:24:24,330 --> 00:24:26,263 and I can create waves -- it splashes around a bit. 442 00:24:26,365 --> 00:24:27,798 Yeah, storms happen. 443 00:24:27,900 --> 00:24:29,600 But actually, if I hit the right frequency, 444 00:24:29,702 --> 00:24:31,335 if I can just find the frequency in that bottle, 445 00:24:31,437 --> 00:24:34,939 and I move it very gently, side to side, then effectively, 446 00:24:35,041 --> 00:24:38,242 I'm like the child in the bath, emptying the bath out. 447 00:24:38,344 --> 00:24:41,879 And suddenly, you've gone from a tide out here, 448 00:24:41,981 --> 00:24:44,782 which is maybe two or three feet, 449 00:24:44,884 --> 00:24:48,486 to a tide in here, which could be 60 feet. 450 00:24:48,588 --> 00:24:50,254 Now that doesn't happen in the red sea, 451 00:24:50,356 --> 00:24:53,390 but we know the fact that the tide at the top of 452 00:24:53,493 --> 00:24:55,826 the channel of the red sea, 453 00:24:55,928 --> 00:24:59,830 the suez channel, go from one or two feet outside, 454 00:24:59,932 --> 00:25:01,999 inside the channel, at the top of the channel, 455 00:25:02,101 --> 00:25:04,068 they go almost 15 feet. 456 00:25:04,170 --> 00:25:07,838 That's a huge difference -- if you come from a culture that 457 00:25:07,940 --> 00:25:10,140 only sees tides on the mediterranean along 458 00:25:10,243 --> 00:25:11,775 the red sea coast of 459 00:25:11,878 --> 00:25:13,344 a few -- one or two feet, 460 00:25:13,446 --> 00:25:15,713 you're not prepared for these huge tides, 461 00:25:15,815 --> 00:25:18,415 which are over ten times as big. 462 00:25:19,519 --> 00:25:21,719 And that big four-meter tide 463 00:25:21,821 --> 00:25:24,221 was more than sufficient to wipe out an army. 464 00:25:26,526 --> 00:25:28,392 Narrator: While nature may have allowed the hebrews 465 00:25:28,494 --> 00:25:29,994 to cross the sea, 466 00:25:30,096 --> 00:25:32,363 simon thinks moses may possibly have 467 00:25:32,465 --> 00:25:34,164 had an important role to play. 468 00:25:39,205 --> 00:25:41,672 Boxall: What moses might have done, if he's observant 469 00:25:41,774 --> 00:25:43,874 and canny, was observe 470 00:25:43,976 --> 00:25:46,744 that the tides existed, the tides were high, 471 00:25:46,846 --> 00:25:50,314 that actually he had a narrow window, but enough of a window, 472 00:25:50,416 --> 00:25:52,316 to lead his people to safety 473 00:25:52,418 --> 00:25:53,717 and to actually not only do that, 474 00:25:53,819 --> 00:25:57,488 but then inundate the pursuing army with 475 00:25:57,623 --> 00:25:59,657 an incoming tide. 476 00:25:59,759 --> 00:26:01,325 And so... 477 00:26:01,427 --> 00:26:03,394 Was moses a magician? 478 00:26:03,496 --> 00:26:05,195 No, but like many magicians, 479 00:26:05,298 --> 00:26:07,464 he was clever and applied science. 480 00:26:12,605 --> 00:26:14,905 Narrator: Yet some speculate that moses actually 481 00:26:15,007 --> 00:26:18,943 was a conjurer with supernatural powers. 482 00:26:19,045 --> 00:26:22,413 Witch, priestess, and magician, carrie kirkpatrick, 483 00:26:22,515 --> 00:26:25,015 believes moses's egyptian upbringing 484 00:26:25,117 --> 00:26:27,785 may have given him a grounding in magic. 485 00:26:31,290 --> 00:26:33,290 Kirkpatrick: It's very likely that moses was 486 00:26:33,392 --> 00:26:36,260 a magician in egyptian noble circles. 487 00:26:36,362 --> 00:26:38,862 It was not a big deal to learn about magic. 488 00:26:38,965 --> 00:26:40,064 It was part of the culture. 489 00:26:40,166 --> 00:26:42,166 It would be part of the everyday education. 490 00:26:42,268 --> 00:26:45,936 So it's very likely that all of these miracles that we see 491 00:26:46,038 --> 00:26:47,571 that have been attributed to god 492 00:26:47,673 --> 00:26:51,475 were actually spells cast by moses himself, 493 00:26:51,577 --> 00:26:54,912 using the training that he had been given in egypt. 494 00:26:59,485 --> 00:27:02,453 Narrator: The suspicion that moses may have possessed magical 495 00:27:02,555 --> 00:27:06,824 or supernatural abilities was amplified with the discovery of 496 00:27:06,926 --> 00:27:11,095 the sixth and seventh books of moses, a collection of hidden 497 00:27:11,197 --> 00:27:14,865 texts allegedly written by the man himself. 498 00:27:19,171 --> 00:27:21,505 Mcmahon: The sixth and seventh books of moses are 499 00:27:21,607 --> 00:27:25,442 particularly mysterious, because they try and explain 500 00:27:25,544 --> 00:27:27,244 through magic 501 00:27:27,346 --> 00:27:30,581 how the miracles in the story of exodus happened. 502 00:27:32,818 --> 00:27:37,287 These books appear about 200 years ago in germany, and then 503 00:27:37,390 --> 00:27:41,225 immigrants take them to the united states, where, 504 00:27:41,327 --> 00:27:43,494 for whatever reason, they're adopted quite 505 00:27:43,596 --> 00:27:46,664 enthusiastically by the african-american communities, 506 00:27:46,766 --> 00:27:49,266 religious communities, and in the caribbean. 507 00:27:49,368 --> 00:27:52,770 And many of the spells, a lot of the magic in those books, 508 00:27:52,872 --> 00:27:56,774 are used, actually in practical cures back in those days 509 00:27:56,876 --> 00:27:58,475 to treat people. 510 00:28:00,579 --> 00:28:02,413 Kirkpatrick: We can't really know for sure 511 00:28:02,515 --> 00:28:03,947 that moses wrote the sixth 512 00:28:04,050 --> 00:28:06,150 and the seventh books, however, 513 00:28:06,252 --> 00:28:08,952 you can see in the book of exodus that the use of magic 514 00:28:09,055 --> 00:28:10,454 was expressly forbidden. 515 00:28:10,556 --> 00:28:12,389 So you wouldn't say that if it 516 00:28:12,491 --> 00:28:14,625 wasn't a problem or regarded as a problem. 517 00:28:14,727 --> 00:28:15,959 It's a bit like prohibition. 518 00:28:16,062 --> 00:28:18,328 They wouldn't have brought it in if alcohol wasn't a problem. 519 00:28:21,100 --> 00:28:23,100 Narrator: Aside from the miracles of moses, 520 00:28:23,202 --> 00:28:25,135 are there more concrete things 521 00:28:25,237 --> 00:28:27,237 that history can prove, 522 00:28:27,339 --> 00:28:30,708 such as the true location of mount sinai? 523 00:28:30,810 --> 00:28:34,178 And could archaeological evidence show that the spot 524 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,580 venerated by pilgrims for centuries 525 00:28:36,682 --> 00:28:39,516 isn't the legendary site after all? 526 00:28:50,830 --> 00:28:54,031 Narrator: Who was the real moses? 527 00:28:54,133 --> 00:28:56,200 Is there a historical figure behind 528 00:28:56,302 --> 00:28:59,670 the religious legend and tales of fantastic miracles? 529 00:29:01,273 --> 00:29:02,539 While it is hard to unearth 530 00:29:02,641 --> 00:29:05,809 concrete evidence for his exploits and deeds, 531 00:29:05,911 --> 00:29:08,912 can we pinpoint the locations he's associated with? 532 00:29:10,015 --> 00:29:13,150 One of the most famous must be mount sinai. 533 00:29:18,090 --> 00:29:20,824 Mcmahon: Mount sinai has this huge significance, obviously, 534 00:29:20,926 --> 00:29:22,626 for jews, christians, 535 00:29:22,728 --> 00:29:27,765 muslims, because that's where moses gets the ten commandments. 536 00:29:29,802 --> 00:29:32,970 That's where he meets god, and god gives him 537 00:29:33,072 --> 00:29:35,873 the laws that are gonna govern his people, 538 00:29:35,975 --> 00:29:38,542 the believers. Moses comes down, 539 00:29:38,644 --> 00:29:41,345 of course, finds the israelites worshipping a golden calf, 540 00:29:41,447 --> 00:29:43,280 smashes them angrily, has to go 541 00:29:43,382 --> 00:29:45,649 back up the mountain and get them all over again. 542 00:29:45,751 --> 00:29:49,887 But it's for that reason that this mountain is so sacred. 543 00:29:54,026 --> 00:29:55,859 Narrator: For hundreds of years, 544 00:29:55,961 --> 00:29:58,228 it has been accepted that jebel-musa 545 00:29:58,330 --> 00:30:01,598 in the sinai peninsula of egypt is the legendary 546 00:30:01,700 --> 00:30:02,633 mount sinai. 547 00:30:04,136 --> 00:30:06,103 But is this correct? 548 00:30:06,205 --> 00:30:08,806 Phillips: Interestingly, the bible doesn't tell us 549 00:30:08,908 --> 00:30:11,141 directly where mount sinai is. 550 00:30:11,243 --> 00:30:13,610 It is just somewhere in the sinai wilderness, 551 00:30:13,712 --> 00:30:17,514 which is a huge expanse east of the red sea. 552 00:30:19,351 --> 00:30:23,687 The emperor constantine decided it was a place 553 00:30:23,789 --> 00:30:26,023 now called jebel-musa, 554 00:30:26,125 --> 00:30:31,061 meaning the mount of moses, which is in eastern egypt 555 00:30:31,163 --> 00:30:33,630 within the sinai wilderness. 556 00:30:33,732 --> 00:30:37,334 And he came up with that idea, because his mother had had 557 00:30:37,436 --> 00:30:40,571 a dream that that's where it was, and a monastery was 558 00:30:40,673 --> 00:30:43,307 founded there, but there's no historical 559 00:30:43,409 --> 00:30:45,742 or archaeological evidence to support it. 560 00:30:50,115 --> 00:30:52,416 Narrator: Since the mid-19th century, 561 00:30:52,518 --> 00:30:54,151 debate has raged between 562 00:30:54,253 --> 00:30:57,688 scholars on where this holy site actually is, 563 00:30:57,823 --> 00:31:00,257 with over ten possible locations given. 564 00:31:01,727 --> 00:31:02,960 After excavations by 565 00:31:03,062 --> 00:31:06,263 the english archaeologist sir flinders petrie 566 00:31:06,365 --> 00:31:08,332 in the 1900s, 567 00:31:08,434 --> 00:31:10,367 serabit el-khadim 568 00:31:10,469 --> 00:31:12,669 has emerged as a likely candidate. 569 00:31:15,541 --> 00:31:20,444 Serabit el-khadim is the 600-pound gorilla in 570 00:31:20,546 --> 00:31:23,680 the story of moses that no one is really talking about. 571 00:31:26,185 --> 00:31:27,317 I've been there. 572 00:31:27,419 --> 00:31:31,054 It's an incredible place, excavated by petrie, who found 573 00:31:31,156 --> 00:31:34,625 lots of temples of hathor, 574 00:31:34,727 --> 00:31:39,096 the bull god that moses is known to have banned, 575 00:31:39,198 --> 00:31:44,101 but also, writing in semitic language, 576 00:31:44,203 --> 00:31:47,237 which you'd still see on the temple walls, 577 00:31:47,339 --> 00:31:49,339 proto-semitic, 578 00:31:49,441 --> 00:31:54,244 a language that is associated with the people of israel. 579 00:31:56,382 --> 00:31:58,815 Narrator: Excavations at serabit el-khadim 580 00:31:58,918 --> 00:32:01,919 also revealed possible animal sacrifices 581 00:32:02,021 --> 00:32:03,553 and ritual washing, 582 00:32:03,656 --> 00:32:06,823 religious practices not commonly associated with 583 00:32:06,926 --> 00:32:10,827 egyptian worship but hebrew ceremonies. 584 00:32:10,930 --> 00:32:12,729 In addition, there is evidence for 585 00:32:12,831 --> 00:32:16,033 the mining of materials important to the jewish people. 586 00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:20,370 Gough: There's evidence of jewish worship 587 00:32:20,472 --> 00:32:23,173 at a place where there shouldn't be. 588 00:32:23,275 --> 00:32:26,143 There's evidence of the creation of 589 00:32:26,245 --> 00:32:28,946 the jewish alphabet here. 590 00:32:29,048 --> 00:32:34,751 And thirdly, there's evidence of artisans, of mining of 591 00:32:34,853 --> 00:32:36,053 turquoise and copper, 592 00:32:36,155 --> 00:32:40,290 the kinds of people who could have constructed 593 00:32:40,392 --> 00:32:43,226 the ten commandments and tablets. 594 00:32:45,431 --> 00:32:47,331 And if that's not enough, 595 00:32:47,433 --> 00:32:51,668 there's also tablets shaped like the image we're told 596 00:32:51,770 --> 00:32:54,371 the ten commandments were written in. 597 00:32:57,543 --> 00:33:01,878 All the scholars argue that moses would have stopped there 598 00:33:01,981 --> 00:33:05,649 on his path of the exodus to the promised land, 599 00:33:05,751 --> 00:33:09,853 but what very few want to acknowledge is that 600 00:33:09,955 --> 00:33:13,757 this could very well have been the true mount sinai. 601 00:33:13,859 --> 00:33:19,763 ♪ 602 00:33:19,865 --> 00:33:22,199 narrator: But author and historian graham phillips 603 00:33:22,301 --> 00:33:24,568 has another radical idea. 604 00:33:24,670 --> 00:33:27,571 He believes the historical mount sinai is 605 00:33:27,673 --> 00:33:31,675 actually found 150 miles away in jordan, 606 00:33:31,777 --> 00:33:33,977 near the ancient city of petra. 607 00:33:38,650 --> 00:33:42,085 Phillips: When I got there, I found so many things 608 00:33:42,187 --> 00:33:45,455 that tied up with the description of mount sinai 609 00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:48,158 in the bible that I was literally, 610 00:33:48,260 --> 00:33:51,161 I don't know, flabbergasted, knocked off my feet, 611 00:33:51,263 --> 00:33:54,931 to how many similarities there where between this place 612 00:33:55,034 --> 00:33:56,433 and the biblical description 613 00:33:56,535 --> 00:33:59,803 that seem to have been completely overlooked 614 00:33:59,905 --> 00:34:01,938 by previous historians. 615 00:34:04,009 --> 00:34:07,144 Gough: The theory that graham phillips has put forward, 616 00:34:07,246 --> 00:34:12,816 that mount sinai is actually in petra, is very viable, 617 00:34:12,918 --> 00:34:18,155 and that's because the whole valley around petra is within 618 00:34:18,257 --> 00:34:23,860 the right distance of where the exodus started from in egypt. 619 00:34:25,464 --> 00:34:29,266 His brother, aaron, is buried there, 620 00:34:29,368 --> 00:34:31,902 and on top of the mountain 621 00:34:32,004 --> 00:34:35,138 that graham suggests is mount sinai, 622 00:34:35,240 --> 00:34:38,542 there's actually architecture, there's temples, 623 00:34:38,644 --> 00:34:43,480 there's pillars, just like are stated in the bible. 624 00:34:44,817 --> 00:34:48,185 Mcmahon: Clues there include the fact that the valley 625 00:34:48,287 --> 00:34:51,288 in which petra is based is called the wadi musa, 626 00:34:51,423 --> 00:34:55,292 the valley of moses, and there is a rock, the ain musa, 627 00:34:55,394 --> 00:34:57,727 the rock of moses, where the water is said 628 00:34:57,830 --> 00:34:59,563 to have spouted out, and it would 629 00:34:59,665 --> 00:35:02,165 make a lot more sense for petra to be 630 00:35:02,267 --> 00:35:05,669 the location as a major trade and commercial hub back in 631 00:35:05,771 --> 00:35:07,337 those days than somewhere, 632 00:35:07,473 --> 00:35:10,340 some dusty hole, at the bottom of the sinai peninsula. 633 00:35:12,077 --> 00:35:14,010 Narrator: Yet moses's most important 634 00:35:14,113 --> 00:35:16,613 legacy is giving the ten commandments 635 00:35:16,715 --> 00:35:18,582 to the jewish people. 636 00:35:18,684 --> 00:35:20,817 While the inscribed tablets most likely 637 00:35:20,919 --> 00:35:23,653 have not survived to modern times, 638 00:35:23,755 --> 00:35:26,323 could their origins be less miraculous 639 00:35:26,425 --> 00:35:28,258 than the famous story tells us? 640 00:35:37,302 --> 00:35:38,935 Narrator: For thousands of years, 641 00:35:39,037 --> 00:35:41,071 the biblical figure of moses has 642 00:35:41,173 --> 00:35:44,007 been associated with amazing miracles, 643 00:35:44,109 --> 00:35:46,510 with some alleging he might actually have possessed 644 00:35:46,612 --> 00:35:47,811 magical powers. 645 00:35:51,083 --> 00:35:53,250 Whether miracle or magic, 646 00:35:53,352 --> 00:35:56,520 he had one indispensable possession -- 647 00:35:56,622 --> 00:35:57,654 his staff. 648 00:35:58,724 --> 00:36:00,590 Phillips: Again and again, 649 00:36:00,692 --> 00:36:04,461 moses is associated with a miraculous staff. 650 00:36:07,032 --> 00:36:09,900 When he first encounters god at the burning bush, 651 00:36:10,002 --> 00:36:14,104 he has this staff with him, and god says that he would imbue 652 00:36:14,206 --> 00:36:16,940 this staff with miraculous powers. 653 00:36:18,043 --> 00:36:21,111 Kirkpatrick: A magician always has a wand or a staff. 654 00:36:21,213 --> 00:36:22,312 It's like a conduit 655 00:36:22,414 --> 00:36:26,049 for focusing his will and controlling the energies 656 00:36:26,151 --> 00:36:27,184 and making things happen, 657 00:36:27,319 --> 00:36:30,253 effecting change -- it's a kind of directional tool. 658 00:36:30,355 --> 00:36:33,557 Even today, druids, magicians, will use 659 00:36:33,659 --> 00:36:35,959 a wand or a staff in their practice. 660 00:36:39,498 --> 00:36:42,299 Narrator: Intriguingly, graham phillips believes 661 00:36:42,401 --> 00:36:46,203 he knows where this mythical relic is kept today. 662 00:36:46,305 --> 00:36:50,540 His theory relies on moses's link to snakes. 663 00:36:50,642 --> 00:36:54,911 It's said that moses's staff was once turned into a serpent, 664 00:36:55,013 --> 00:36:59,015 and an intriguing snake-themed monument has been discovered 665 00:36:59,117 --> 00:37:00,083 at petra. 666 00:37:03,155 --> 00:37:05,722 Phillips: In the mid-1800s, 667 00:37:05,824 --> 00:37:08,725 a cave near the snake monument was 668 00:37:08,827 --> 00:37:11,494 excavated by a couple of english archaeologists 669 00:37:11,597 --> 00:37:13,496 and they found a tomb there. 670 00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:16,833 There was no body any longer in it, but it didn't have a few 671 00:37:16,935 --> 00:37:18,335 items remaining, 672 00:37:18,437 --> 00:37:22,906 the most important of which was a staff with egyptian 673 00:37:23,008 --> 00:37:27,143 hieroglyphics on it, an egyptian staff 674 00:37:27,246 --> 00:37:29,879 at the city of petra 675 00:37:29,982 --> 00:37:31,948 in southern jordan. 676 00:37:35,721 --> 00:37:36,753 What was it doing there? 677 00:37:36,855 --> 00:37:40,757 Clearly, somebody from egypt had been buried 678 00:37:40,859 --> 00:37:43,526 in this tomb below the snake monument. 679 00:37:46,698 --> 00:37:50,166 Now, if my theory is all right, 680 00:37:50,269 --> 00:37:53,036 then the snake monument 681 00:37:53,138 --> 00:37:58,308 is erected in memory of moses, and this tomb could be 682 00:37:58,410 --> 00:38:01,278 the tomb of an historical moses. 683 00:38:04,883 --> 00:38:06,783 Narrator: So could this discovery really be 684 00:38:06,885 --> 00:38:08,785 moses's legendary staff? 685 00:38:09,821 --> 00:38:12,055 For such a possibly important artifact for 686 00:38:12,157 --> 00:38:14,557 three of the world's main religions, 687 00:38:14,660 --> 00:38:18,028 its home today is in a quiet corner of England. 688 00:38:20,032 --> 00:38:24,200 The staff of moses, today, is here 689 00:38:24,303 --> 00:38:27,570 at the birmingham museum in central England. 690 00:38:29,441 --> 00:38:33,076 Upon the staff there are hieroglyphics telling us 691 00:38:33,178 --> 00:38:37,447 that the staff had belonged to someone called thutmosis, 692 00:38:37,549 --> 00:38:40,250 who held a high position at 693 00:38:40,352 --> 00:38:45,155 the egyptian court around about 1350 bc. 694 00:38:46,191 --> 00:38:49,392 Now the historical moses, 695 00:38:49,494 --> 00:38:52,295 according to my research, was 696 00:38:52,397 --> 00:38:57,400 a man called thutmosis, who held just such a position at exactly 697 00:38:57,502 --> 00:39:00,570 the time that moses is said to have been 698 00:39:00,672 --> 00:39:03,707 high in the egyptian court. 699 00:39:03,809 --> 00:39:08,578 As such, the staff of thutmosis could be one 700 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:12,549 and the same as the staff of the biblical moses. 701 00:39:16,455 --> 00:39:18,588 Narrator: It may be debatable whether the staff in 702 00:39:18,690 --> 00:39:21,024 the birmingham museum is really that of 703 00:39:21,126 --> 00:39:22,826 the biblical moses, 704 00:39:22,928 --> 00:39:24,461 but the egyptian influence over 705 00:39:24,563 --> 00:39:26,296 this religious figure was strong. 706 00:39:29,801 --> 00:39:32,602 Controversially, the ten commandments are alleged 707 00:39:32,704 --> 00:39:36,172 to be plagiarized from an earlier egyptian tradition. 708 00:39:38,510 --> 00:39:41,845 Bianchi: The ten commandments are prohibitions that 709 00:39:41,947 --> 00:39:44,147 the faithful, the moral, the ethical 710 00:39:44,249 --> 00:39:45,982 should not indulge in. 711 00:39:46,084 --> 00:39:49,919 Don't covet your neighbor's wife, don't commit adultery, 712 00:39:50,021 --> 00:39:52,355 don't murder an individual, etcetera. 713 00:39:52,457 --> 00:39:53,957 And the interesting thing about 714 00:39:54,059 --> 00:39:57,026 the ten commandments is they resonate 715 00:39:57,129 --> 00:39:58,928 with the so-called negative confession 716 00:39:59,030 --> 00:40:00,764 chapter 125 of the book of the dead 717 00:40:00,866 --> 00:40:01,998 of the ancient egyptians. 718 00:40:03,735 --> 00:40:06,970 Pinknett: This was a formula, lines, if you like, 719 00:40:07,072 --> 00:40:09,973 that they had to learn to say in the afterlife 720 00:40:10,075 --> 00:40:11,741 when they were in the halls of justice, 721 00:40:11,843 --> 00:40:13,610 and their souls were being weighed in the balance, 722 00:40:13,712 --> 00:40:15,345 and they stood there, and they said, 723 00:40:15,447 --> 00:40:17,180 "I have not committed adultery. 724 00:40:17,282 --> 00:40:19,282 "I have not borne false witness. 725 00:40:19,384 --> 00:40:20,650 I have not killed." 726 00:40:20,786 --> 00:40:23,920 and it was supposed to get you off 727 00:40:24,022 --> 00:40:25,889 all the punishments of the afterlife. 728 00:40:27,292 --> 00:40:32,796 Gough: Did moses draw upon an earlier edict 729 00:40:32,898 --> 00:40:36,666 and say they were written by the finger of god? 730 00:40:40,672 --> 00:40:42,205 Narrator: Without concrete evidence, 731 00:40:42,307 --> 00:40:44,808 the historical and biblical moses 732 00:40:44,910 --> 00:40:47,577 will probably remain elusive forever. 733 00:40:48,780 --> 00:40:52,182 But these tantalizing clues might just give us 734 00:40:52,284 --> 00:40:53,983 a glimpse of the real man. 735 00:40:56,121 --> 00:40:58,488 Young-somers: In my view, moses may have been 736 00:40:58,623 --> 00:41:00,056 a real figure who lived, 737 00:41:00,158 --> 00:41:03,993 but I don't know, and I like the not knowing, and for me, 738 00:41:04,095 --> 00:41:06,563 actually, the importance isn't whether 739 00:41:06,665 --> 00:41:08,498 or not moses literally lived. 740 00:41:09,601 --> 00:41:11,267 Gough: Moses appears to have been an archetype, 741 00:41:11,369 --> 00:41:14,337 but if he was an historical person, 742 00:41:14,439 --> 00:41:19,175 I know of no better historical inspiration than that of 743 00:41:19,277 --> 00:41:21,945 the heretic king who introduced monotheism, 744 00:41:22,047 --> 00:41:23,746 akhenaten. 745 00:41:27,886 --> 00:41:30,887 Even when the egyptians lose a battle, 746 00:41:30,989 --> 00:41:33,056 they portray themselves as the victors. 747 00:41:33,158 --> 00:41:36,092 So it's very, very hard for me to believe that a story 748 00:41:36,194 --> 00:41:37,460 that paints the egyptians 749 00:41:37,562 --> 00:41:39,662 in such a horrible light could have 750 00:41:39,764 --> 00:41:42,098 possibly had an egyptian origin. 751 00:41:43,168 --> 00:41:45,401 Young-somers: I think it's inevitable that, 752 00:41:45,504 --> 00:41:47,737 as such an important figure, 753 00:41:47,839 --> 00:41:51,174 he's going to create interest and intrigue, 754 00:41:51,276 --> 00:41:54,711 and we're going to want to try to understand as much as we can, 755 00:41:54,813 --> 00:41:56,379 because there is so much that's interesting 756 00:41:56,481 --> 00:41:57,914 and so much that's mysterious. 757 00:41:58,016 --> 00:42:03,186 ♪ 63131

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