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[calm music]
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[Nathan] This is Colorado
Matters from CPR News.
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I am Nathan Heffel.
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We first spoke with our
next guest, Ben Jenkins,
about a month ago.
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At the time he was getting
ready to take a step 500 miles
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worth of steps actually back
in time on the Colorado Trail.
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Jenkins is a history buff.
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His hope was to reenact
the trip a merchant might
have made in the 1860s
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and he would wear
clothes and use camping
equipment from that era.
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He told us about his careful
research, talked about the
clothes he made by hand
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and only once hedged his bet.
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[Ben] Fingers crossed we
don't have to stop the Trail.
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But just based on the fact
that this has never been
done before in this manner,
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there are a lot of things
that we really don't know-
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we don't actually know what's
gonna happen out there.
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[Nathan] Well, Jenkins
and his partner Aaron Klass
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have stopped their hike
several times, in fact.
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They have been home in the
Denver area more than a week
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while they do kind of a
reset on the trip entirely.
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Ben, welcome back.
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Thanks so much
for having me back.
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So, after all the planning
and the work he put into
planning this 500-mile journey,
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how disappointed are you
with what's happened so far?
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[motivational music]
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All right.
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-Say hey!
-Hey, Elly.
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All right, let me
load up my gear.
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I wanna lay my coat down.
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Puppies, come here.
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Just in case you
don't understand,
I don't think Charlie does,
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I'm not gonna see you
guys for a long, long time.
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-But when I come back
it's treats for everyone.
-[laughing]
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[Aaron] Yeah, looks great.
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[chatting]
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[Ben] Yeah, even this morning
waking up and getting in the car
and loading up the packs and
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saying the goodbyes, it all kind
of felt like another day hike
that Aaron and I go out and do.
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And then to actually
then get here,
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having been here before
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and kind of knowing
what at least the next
few miles is like,
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there's something
about it that feels real.
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[Aaron] Feels great.
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I'm looking forward
to getting walking.
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I've been really restless
for the last couple of days.
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So I'm looking forward to
being on my feet for a while.
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[Ben] I'd like to lie and say
that I knew what's gonna happen
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from this point forward
but I'm not real sure.
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It's all part of the adventure
is not really knowing.
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And when something does happen
kind of taking it for what it is
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and rolling with it and
trying to make it work.
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For me that's what these
guys did, so that's kind of
be counterproductive for us
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not to try to work through that.
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[Aaron] Really the cold and
wet are gonna be our biggest,
biggest enemies definitely.
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There are couple of dry
sections around, like,
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concerned about water
but will acclimate to that
pretty quickly, I imagine.
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Being away from my phone
for a month is gonna be
really good for me, I think.
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Ben and I get along just fine
and it will be nice to have,
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you know, a little
introspective time.
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[motivational music]
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There is a lot of things
you can do to me
that I will tolerate.
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Having something just
hanging on my teeth
that I can't get out,
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it's like the worst thing
on Earth, man.
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-Don't wanna use that?
-I can try.
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Yeah, just change your--
change your habits, you know.
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Even if you still ate the same
way, you got out and you moved,
you walked five miles a day,
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you'd lose 20--
still lose 20 pounds.
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[Aaron] Oh, yeah, no doubt.
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-[Ben] You have to be
consistent with that.
-[Aaron] No doubt, you know.
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[water running]
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Awesome. Well,
we'll see you guys then.
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Yeah, I'm stoked you
guys are doing this-
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You're hot.
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-I am hot.
-You're starting at 9:45.
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Yeah, it was-- it's pretty warm.
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-Let them dry out
for a few minutes...
-Yeah.
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--and then put on
the clean socks.
Let these ones fully dry.
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Yeah, it's not a bad idea.
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♪♪♪
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Although my feet are staying
dry, my feet are getting-- socks
are getting so full of dirt
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and grime that it's like--
it's literally grime and, I
mean my feet are smooth.
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Yeah, these pickles
are like lifeblood to me.
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Feels like I'm eating Gatorade.
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[bird chirping]
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We're fucking idiots.
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Yeah.
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-That's a very good idea.
-Just help me.
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Oh, fuck.
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♪♪♪
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[Ben] Getting up, you know,
before the sun and shivering
while we packed up our-
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our gear and then doing
the first two miles by
lantern light was very cool.
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Just based off the fact that
we have limited water capacity,
we're gonna try to get
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as this far into it as we
can while it's still cool and
before the sun comes up.
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By about noon, I'm
guessing it'll reach the 90s.
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So we're just trying
to make the biggest
dent in today as we can.
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It was a very, very
long night. It's really cold.
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I can't believe I'm saying
it when I'm actually pretty
excited to get moving.
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I'm pretty-- I'm pretty cold.
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We're gonna get moving.
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Cool.
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[Aaron] Day two was
long, hot, dry, exposed.
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[Ben] The first half of section
two is in an old burn area.
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So it's dry.
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There's no water
for almost 11 miles,
no trees, nothing but sun.
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It was very, very hot
and it was pretty brutal.
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All right then.
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Having to dry my feet
like every two miles
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and it's just fucking up
my ability to keep a pace.
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Oddly enough, by
using the Colorado Trail
as like a kind of a conduit
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to properly express this
thing we had in our head,
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it's actually... looks
like it's gonna turn out
to be our worst enemy.
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I think being out here
and realizing like am
I truly experiencing
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what these guys are
experiencing? And the answer
to that as I have got in,
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you know, almost
30 miles is maybe not.
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So that's-- that's just
a big question that's kind
of sitting inside my head
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and kind of lingering.
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So, yeah, who knows?
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[woodpecker tapping]
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Woodpecker.
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It's kind of crazy.
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A few funny looks, but
mostly people have been
really kind and supportive
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and have shown interest and--
and been genuine about wanting
to learn about the period
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and sort of see what their
predecessors were using.
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You know it's nice that
it's a crowd that's enthused
by outdoorsmanship
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and this is kind of a
cool forum to share
what we've learned about,
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the sort of early period at
North American mountaineering.
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It's so dirty.
You are really gross.
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It should help.
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The-- one of the shoulder straps
popped in one of the rivets,
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so I just have it slung
across me right now,
pull it off, you can see it.
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Uh. Oh! This is homie.
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If this kind of stuff would have
happened to us, we would
have stopped in Breckenridge.
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-Yeah.
-And we would have
stayed there for a while.
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-Right.
-We would have got a hotel and
we would have got syphilis.
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Yeah.
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-Yeah.
-It's just the way it works.
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-So, but anyway--
-Can we still get syphilis?
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At least there's something
exciting going on.
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-I got this little guy but
it doesn't hurt too bad.
-Oh! Oh, yeah.
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This guy's open, has
been since the first day.
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This guy is opening up.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I think I'm just
gonna have to call
it quits on the boots.
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-Yeah, yeah, you
seem to be hauling.
-Nothing.
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-And, honestly, I think it's
the weight more than like-
-I think it's the weight-
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-and the breathing.
-and the fact that
my feet never get hot.
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Yeah.
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[Ben] Food has been a lot better
than I thought, mostly because
I haven't been eating much.
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So I had to down a lot of it.
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These first couple of days as
your body kind of adjusted the
heat and the constant movement,
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you-- you tend to lose
your appetite a bit.
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But the foods we have
been eating are a lot of
dried and dehydrated foods,
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foods that would have
been incredibly common
in Colorado in 1860.
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Jerkies, dried meats, dried
fruits and vegetables,
dehydrated soups.
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I've been doing a lot of like
jerky and salted corn nuts so
that I have some salt on board
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just because we've been
doing these long hot sections
and I'm sweating up a storm.
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I-- we-- we already went
through our first jar of pickles
and I am missing those dearly.
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I slept better-- yeah, woke
up this morning about
probably about 5 o'clock, 5:30,
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got a fire started, warming
myself up really good.
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And then just lied down here,
just-- just the blanket over me
and I conked out like that.
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I was out for like an hour,
an hour or 15 minutes or so.
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-It's so great.
-Yeah.
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That's about how a good
sleep I got last night.
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I feel good this morning though.
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I'm tired but body feels good.
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-Feet feel good.
-That's good.
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Smells about right.
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[coughing]
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Other than that I
think I'm packed up.
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♪ It's a perfect day
For the road ♪
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♪ The blue sky
Will take us home ♪
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♪ We'll take it easy
We'll take it slow ♪
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♪ It's a good day for the road
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♪ And time goes so fast
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[man] Are you hiking with gear
from the 1800s or something?
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[Aaron] Yeah, we're
doing the 1860s.
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-[Aaron] Yeah.
-[man] 1860.
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[Aaron] It's-- it has
its ups and downs.
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-[Ben] These boots are the
downs, let me tell you.
-[Aaron] Yeah, that's good.
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[man] I have the same boots.
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[Aaron] Huge through
hikes are really a modern
mountaineering trend
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and these guys were
not doing huge distances
like this without pack animals.
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[Ben+ Almost everything you read
through, whether it's newspaper
articles or letters or diaries
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or whatever, there's usually
a mention of the mule
or-- or the ox or whatever.
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And we're not doing that,
and I think that that's
posed the biggest challenge
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is that we're carrying far more
than these guys would have had
to rely on themselves to carry.
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Ben's hauling, but I think
he is fueled by misery.
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[chuckles]
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Aaron is having a good
bit of foot problem.
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He decided to wear his boots,
and so not only are they hot
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but they're keeping
his feet really wet,
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which has caused a lot
of issues with blisters
and stuff like that.
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So, he's trailing behind.
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He's probably easily
a good mile behind me,
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a good hour, hour and a half
behind me, give or take.
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So, yeah, I'm hoping
that once we get the
shoe issue figured out
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that things will
move a little quicker.
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[Ben] How are your feet doing?
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[Aaron] I was actually
thinking about it and I don't
think I got a single step
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in today that wasn't painful.
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Well, if it makes you
feel any better,
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which it's not, I got
my first real blister
on this end stretch.
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-Oh, yeah?
-Yeah.
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-You gonna be okay?
-[laughing]
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[Ben] I hope so.
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I may-- it may put me out.
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-We know we did 43 miles
in two and a half days-
- Yeah.
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-which is pretty
beastly in our quest.
-That's fun.
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My only fear is that
the mountains just
get higher and higher.
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[Ben] I think there's a lot of
people on the trail this year.
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[woman] I was gonna
say I didn't realize
how populated this was.
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[Aaron] Very poplar thing.
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[Ben] This is-- according to
the Colorado Trail Foundation,
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they are-- they're thinking
this is gonna be their most
populated year to date.
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-[man] Oh really?
Oh, that's a...
-[Ben] It was-- oh my God,
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it was insane those
first couple of days.
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I took the inner tie straps off
your pack, did you notice that?
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Because they were
getting in my way and-
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I just replaced them
with some cordage.
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[Ben] Oh. Okay, never mind.
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I figured you noticed
that. You look so
dandy in those shoes.
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-[Aaron] Thank you.
-Yeah.
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I'm not used to wearing
shoes anymore.
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-[Ben] Me, I'm--
-[Aaron] I haven't worn
shoes to an event in years.
223
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You know I wear boots all
the time, I'm a boots guy
224
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and so I've just now
gotten used to these.
225
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[Nathan] And the trail
crosses the mountains
from Denver to Durango.
226
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The average elevation
is 10,000 feet.
227
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The director of the Colorado
Trail Foundation Bill Manning
estimates only about half
228
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of the people who
plan on making it 500
miles actually succeed
229
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and they're in modern gear
and some of them make it-- they
actually take it in segments.
230
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But you were planning
to do the entire thing.
231
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[Ben] Yeah. Maybe that
was a little ambitious.
232
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[Nathan] So was it ever doable?
I guess that's the question.
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[Ben] Damn shoes.
234
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[Aaron] I'm looking forward
to walking in them.
235
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Probably more than
six pounds lighter.
236
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Probably six pounds lighter
in the pack and then another
five pounds lighter in shoes.
237
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You want to sign the log in?
238
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[Ben] 7/11/1860.
239
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Perfect.
240
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♪♪♪
241
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[water running]
242
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So that's three miles.
243
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-That's three miles?
-[man] You're joking.
244
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If that's Guernsey Creek,
it's three miles now.
245
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Jesus Christ, Shit. That was
a faster move. That's it.
246
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Yeah, dude, we are--
that's-- we are making-
247
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[man] Your new shoes
are working out well?
248
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Yeah, seriously, I'm much,
much more comfortable.
249
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It's much more comfortable.
250
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-You feel good?
-Lead on.
251
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-All right?
-Yeah.
252
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[Ben] --from her collection.
253
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The wedding handkerchief
of Fanny Chamberlain.
254
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-[woman] Eight forty.
-[Ben] Thank you.
255
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-[Ben] Wow. Really?
-[woman] Mm-Hm.
256
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-Eight forty?
-[man] Yeah.
257
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-[Ben] I feel good though, man.
-Me, too.
258
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-[Ben] I don't feel like
I'm rushing at all.
-Nah. Feels good.
259
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-Chocolates, legal?
-Yeah.
260
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[woman chuckles]
261
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Yeah, chocolates are legal.
262
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[Aaron] They are comfy.
263
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I'm sweating into my socks,
but they're breathing.
264
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[Ben] Your canteen getting
less shiny now? Blinding
you every once in a blue moon?
265
00:22:04,561 --> 00:22:05,824
[Aaron] I think so.
266
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A little less shiny,
little patina.
267
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♪♪♪
268
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[water running]
269
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They're like three times as
dry as they would have been.
270
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They are-- yeah, it's the shoes
are making all the difference.
271
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[Aaron] Lean over here.
272
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[Ben] Get a little in groove.
273
00:23:08,234 --> 00:23:15,328
Looks like this is the last
water for-- last good reliable
water for about five miles.
274
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I am losing the weight inching
up on already, man,
275
00:23:22,683 --> 00:23:25,207
inching up on being able to
push the stretch in my belt.
276
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True.
277
00:23:27,383 --> 00:23:29,516
I think I'll almost get to
the other notch I didn't
think I'll get to till halfway.
278
00:23:32,258 --> 00:23:36,044
-And my shirt is holding my
pants up on this-- it's belted.
-I know.
279
00:23:36,088 --> 00:23:39,308
Your pants are already
a little big on you and
you lost some weight.
280
00:23:53,453 --> 00:23:54,280
[Aaron] I know.
281
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[Ben] Hey.
282
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That's incredible,
man, the view.
283
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It is amazing.
284
00:24:03,463 --> 00:24:04,507
[man] Both ways.
285
00:24:17,694 --> 00:24:19,522
I guess it's kind
of pretty up here.
286
00:24:21,655 --> 00:24:24,701
This has been about a
six-and-a-half mile uphill.
287
00:24:24,745 --> 00:24:27,182
It's been gradual but
it's still been exhausting.
288
00:24:27,226 --> 00:24:29,619
So, it will be nice
to get a little downhill.
289
00:24:29,663 --> 00:24:33,101
There's a really good chance
Aaron and I may even get a
good 20-mile day in today.
290
00:24:33,145 --> 00:24:37,236
Oh, man, seriously, my feet
are having a chance to dry.
291
00:24:37,279 --> 00:24:39,978
I don't have hot spots,
I'm not raising blisters.
292
00:24:40,021 --> 00:24:42,502
It's really-- it's
really something.
293
00:24:42,545 --> 00:24:50,423
It also reduced a solid six
pounds off my load just 'cause
those boots are so heavy.
294
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So this is making all
the difference. I'm fine.
295
00:24:54,079 --> 00:24:55,254
That's a big fire.
296
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[Ben] Once we get out of
segment 10, there may be a push
toward the end of segment 10,
297
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maybe getting some
smoke and then have
to skip over 11 and 12,
298
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pick back up the Silver
Creek Trailhead.
299
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♪♪♪
300
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[Ben] Today's really beautiful,
too, it's like long and it
kind of drove a little bit
301
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towards the end but I think it's
because we knew we were gonna be
getting like into Breckenridge.
302
00:25:56,402 --> 00:25:59,318
So, but, yeah, last
night was really bad.
303
00:25:59,361 --> 00:26:04,192
I was like eight hours of
shivering and to the point where
I almost got up in the night
304
00:26:04,236 --> 00:26:06,064
and started hiking.
305
00:26:06,107 --> 00:26:08,414
This morning it was like--
what, how many miles
do you think that was?
306
00:26:08,457 --> 00:26:12,287
Three and a half, four miles
of just straight up, like-- up
like the second we left.
307
00:26:12,331 --> 00:26:15,290
-I think it was just two but it
was at thousand feet-- Wow.
-I felt like four.
308
00:26:15,334 --> 00:26:16,770
-you know so.
-[man] Yeah.
309
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All these every single campsite
10.3, 10.4, 12, 11.6-
310
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[Aaron] Yeah, you are
not gonna be anymore.
311
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♪♪♪
312
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:49,498
What? I do not, unfortunately.
313
00:26:54,721 --> 00:26:57,724
-I'm just hungry.
-Let's just eat here.
314
00:26:57,767 --> 00:26:58,638
That seems fair.
315
00:27:24,794 --> 00:27:26,448
-[man] What's up?
-Ben died.
316
00:27:27,188 --> 00:27:28,363
[all chuckle]
317
00:27:29,930 --> 00:27:33,803
We-- we had a rough couple
of nights the last-- the last--
318
00:27:33,847 --> 00:27:36,589
well, he had a rough
night last night in particular.
319
00:27:36,632 --> 00:27:40,332
He's been having a hard time
keeping warm in the evenings.
320
00:27:40,375 --> 00:27:42,203
His blanket's just
not thick enough.
321
00:27:42,247 --> 00:27:44,162
I think it's most
of the problem.
322
00:27:45,641 --> 00:27:48,296
I think he hasn't been
getting any sleep at all.
323
00:27:48,340 --> 00:27:52,909
So-- so today we sent him home.
324
00:27:52,953 --> 00:27:56,696
He's gonna procure a
blanket as fast as he can.
325
00:27:58,219 --> 00:28:03,224
I'm gonna stick around here for
a couple of days, take a couple
of zeros, do some day hikes.
326
00:28:03,268 --> 00:28:09,187
On days where I don't feel like
taking zeros and see how fast
we can get him back out here.
327
00:28:09,230 --> 00:28:12,755
And doing it this way
means he's got some
motivation to come back out,
328
00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:14,496
he won't leave me in
the woods, you know.
329
00:28:14,540 --> 00:28:18,239
♪ Tomorrow's never promised
330
00:28:18,283 --> 00:28:21,329
♪ But now is the time
331
00:28:21,373 --> 00:28:26,900
♪ For hopes arising
332
00:28:28,336 --> 00:28:31,513
♪ Tomorrow's never promised
333
00:28:31,557 --> 00:28:34,864
♪ But now is the time
334
00:28:34,908 --> 00:28:40,870
♪ For change that starts today
335
00:28:41,654 --> 00:28:43,569
♪ Whoa
336
00:28:43,612 --> 00:28:47,529
I pulled the shelter off
mine-- off me and I got
swarmed like immediately.
337
00:28:47,573 --> 00:28:50,750
So I put it back over me and
slept for a couple more hours.
338
00:28:51,577 --> 00:28:54,406
I'm gonna walk, I'm
gonna walk as much
as I can. I'm gonna try.
339
00:28:54,449 --> 00:28:58,671
I'm gonna go see Camp Hale,
is down this way where the
10th Mountain did their training
340
00:28:58,714 --> 00:29:00,455
for the Second World War.
341
00:29:00,499 --> 00:29:02,283
Segment 9 runs that way.
342
00:29:02,327 --> 00:29:05,373
And I'll have to walk
on my old Segment 9
every day to get water.
343
00:29:05,417 --> 00:29:10,422
So I'll probably do a couple,
you know, long roundabout
day hikes there too.
344
00:29:10,465 --> 00:29:14,252
So, hopefully, I'll just, you
know, keep-- keep racking up the
miles, that's why I am out here,
345
00:29:14,295 --> 00:29:16,341
you know, is to just
hike as much as I can.
346
00:29:16,384 --> 00:29:20,910
I'm excited to have tons
of food, way too much food,
so I'm looking forward to
347
00:29:20,954 --> 00:29:24,871
offering some trail magic
to people and meeting a
few through hikers also.
348
00:29:24,914 --> 00:29:27,265
It'll be a good time definitely.
349
00:29:27,308 --> 00:29:30,877
I'm, yeah, looking forward
to relaxing a couple of days.
350
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,792
♪♪♪
351
00:29:53,813 --> 00:30:02,387
These are pretty typical
of the late 1870s, 1880s
in terms of manufacture.
352
00:30:02,430 --> 00:30:05,999
The felling ax here
is hand forged and was--
353
00:30:07,348 --> 00:30:10,656
Ben suggested probably
made in the 1850s, 1860s,
354
00:30:10,699 --> 00:30:14,007
but it certainly wasn't brought
to the area until the 1880s.
355
00:30:14,050 --> 00:30:17,010
I found it in the mining
camp over there.
356
00:30:17,053 --> 00:30:23,582
And then all of this is a
railroad grade and every 15, 20
feet there are railroad spikes.
357
00:30:23,625 --> 00:30:28,978
So they pulled the tracks
but left-- left the spikes and
they are littered all along.
358
00:30:29,022 --> 00:30:35,071
Also found bits of mason jars
in purple and blue, which are
colors that are pretty typical
359
00:30:35,115 --> 00:30:38,858
of the latter half
of the 19th century.
360
00:30:38,901 --> 00:30:42,905
So, some-- some archeology
while I was occupied here.
361
00:30:42,949 --> 00:30:44,820
Felling ax was a cool find.
362
00:30:44,864 --> 00:30:47,823
Never found anything
like that quite-- quite
like that in the Rockies.
363
00:30:47,867 --> 00:30:49,956
So, yeah, that
was exciting for me.
364
00:30:51,392 --> 00:30:53,002
Mosquitoes are in the fire pit.
365
00:30:53,046 --> 00:30:54,526
They're staring at me.
366
00:30:56,528 --> 00:30:59,008
I killed some with my knife.
367
00:30:59,052 --> 00:31:01,010
-[Ben] That sounds
pretty brutal.
-There were so many.
368
00:31:01,054 --> 00:31:02,751
-[Ben] You just--
-Yeah.
369
00:31:03,448 --> 00:31:05,014
-Yeah.
-Yeah, that doesn't sound too...
370
00:31:05,058 --> 00:31:07,365
Killed one with the
edge of my knife.
371
00:31:09,410 --> 00:31:12,370
I'm not sure I would expect
a good night's rest but-
372
00:31:12,413 --> 00:31:13,632
-A night's rest.
-A night's rest.
373
00:31:13,675 --> 00:31:15,721
Yeah.
374
00:31:15,764 --> 00:31:20,726
I'll take-- I'll take that.
I am-- at this point I'm--
a night's rest would be-
375
00:31:20,769 --> 00:31:22,423
would be good enough for me.
376
00:31:22,467 --> 00:31:24,643
Eliminate the soups and
stuff from the things
377
00:31:24,686 --> 00:31:27,428
-and we'll just add in maybe
some extra jerky and...
- All right.
378
00:31:27,472 --> 00:31:29,865
-...stuff just to--
-Yeah, yeah, I guess.
379
00:31:29,909 --> 00:31:33,913
So I was able to get my
hands on a blanket, a
much warmer blanket,
380
00:31:33,956 --> 00:31:38,134
and we also were able
to kind of have a few
safety nets for warmth
381
00:31:38,178 --> 00:31:40,398
that we were able
to keep in our kits.
382
00:31:40,441 --> 00:31:44,837
I had the opportunity, I
just was left with a little
surplus of food here, so
383
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,449
I passed out some--
some Trail Magic to
folks and got a chance
384
00:31:48,493 --> 00:31:52,453
to support a few people and
talk a little bit more about
what it is that we're doing.
385
00:31:52,497 --> 00:31:54,934
So it was a-- that was
a cool experience.
386
00:31:56,588 --> 00:31:59,678
Oh my God, my
forehead is brutally bitten.
387
00:32:01,767 --> 00:32:05,161
I can imagine I'll get chilly
tonight but I definitely feel
like this is going to make-
388
00:32:05,205 --> 00:32:07,207
[Aaron] Yeah, I'm curious
to see how you do.
389
00:32:21,134 --> 00:32:25,878
So I got about good,
really good, two hours
of sleep last night.
390
00:32:25,921 --> 00:32:26,966
Okay.
391
00:32:27,662 --> 00:32:30,622
-Again, improvement.
-[both chuckle]
392
00:32:39,544 --> 00:32:41,502
All right, yeah, two
dinners, it should do it.
393
00:32:41,546 --> 00:32:43,199
I don't know, working
the flat weight.
394
00:32:43,983 --> 00:32:45,637
-[Ben] Oh my God,
there is enough of it.
-[Aaron] Yeah.
395
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,118
-Yeah. Good deal.
-So, I think...
396
00:32:49,162 --> 00:32:51,599
-[Aaron] Do you have a bag
of jerky for yourself?
-[Ben] I do, yeah.
397
00:32:51,643 --> 00:32:53,122
-I have a whole bag of jerky.
-[Aaron] Yeah.
398
00:32:54,515 --> 00:32:56,865
Got a couple of muffins
here if you guys want.
399
00:32:57,692 --> 00:33:00,478
They're flacks and
things, right along.
400
00:33:00,521 --> 00:33:01,783
I am pretty good, man.
401
00:33:01,827 --> 00:33:04,786
I feel pretty good about
the next days food-wise.
402
00:33:04,830 --> 00:33:09,182
I mean it's gonna be
bland, but that is what it is.
403
00:33:09,225 --> 00:33:10,575
I'm okay with that.
404
00:33:33,162 --> 00:33:35,643
[Aaron] All right. Here's water.
405
00:33:35,687 --> 00:33:36,688
Oh, beautiful.
406
00:33:46,654 --> 00:33:49,831
[Ben] Yeah, looks
like I can't walk.
407
00:33:56,621 --> 00:33:58,797
It's a nice little
gradual climb.
408
00:33:59,624 --> 00:34:02,061
Yeah, not too bad.
409
00:34:02,104 --> 00:34:04,890
[Ben] Packs, going
down in weight.
410
00:34:05,630 --> 00:34:11,810
We got so used to lighter pack
and then I just added all that
weight, too, it's killing me.
411
00:34:11,853 --> 00:34:13,289
I'm sure a mosquito
is stuck in there.
412
00:34:16,902 --> 00:34:18,686
[Aaron] They're awful.
They're awful.
413
00:34:32,352 --> 00:34:34,136
[Ben] So for the first time
414
00:34:34,180 --> 00:34:36,922
Aaron and I are gonna
be crossing into a
wilderness section.
415
00:34:36,965 --> 00:34:42,144
In 1964 a federal act was
passed that protected
a lot of these areas.
416
00:34:42,188 --> 00:34:46,235
There's nothing mechanized
allowed inside of the area.
417
00:34:46,279 --> 00:34:50,718
Getting film permits
for these sections
was incredibly difficult.
418
00:34:50,762 --> 00:34:53,721
I think we passed through six
or seven wilderness sections.
419
00:34:53,765 --> 00:34:55,636
I'm not a hundred
percent certain.
420
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,987
Unfortunately, we're gonna
have to omit filming
in any of those sections,
421
00:34:59,031 --> 00:35:02,991
which is very unfortunate
because they are some
of the most pristine
422
00:35:03,035 --> 00:35:05,864
untouched areas in the country.
423
00:35:05,907 --> 00:35:08,257
Because there's nothing
mechanized we're
not gonna run into bikes.
424
00:35:09,302 --> 00:35:12,131
We're at a point in the trail
where we're running into few
425
00:35:12,174 --> 00:35:15,961
and fewer day hikers
and through hikers.
426
00:35:16,004 --> 00:35:20,966
I'm looking forward to less
noise pollution, noise and light
pollution in these sections.
427
00:35:21,009 --> 00:35:24,622
You know, no matter
where you go in the Rockies,
there is a road close by.
428
00:35:24,665 --> 00:35:29,104
So, up until now we've
definitely had a lot of ambient,
429
00:35:29,148 --> 00:35:32,760
you know, motor vehicle
noise that I'm looking
forward to escaping.
430
00:35:32,804 --> 00:35:35,197
We will still have airplanes
and things like that
431
00:35:35,241 --> 00:35:38,940
but I expect there
to be very little ambient
light and that's--
432
00:35:38,984 --> 00:35:42,074
that's gonna be something that's
gonna really help pull us out
433
00:35:42,117 --> 00:35:45,251
of this period and back
into the-- the '60s.
434
00:35:45,294 --> 00:35:47,166
♪♪♪
435
00:36:22,201 --> 00:36:24,203
[Aaron] It was nice
going through those
wilderness sections.
436
00:36:24,246 --> 00:36:27,989
The Holy Cross Wilderness
in particular was just
stunningly beautiful.
437
00:36:28,033 --> 00:36:31,732
You know long steep
climbs but totally worth it.
438
00:36:31,776 --> 00:36:36,432
And we passed maybe
10 people on the first
mile of the wilderness
439
00:36:36,476 --> 00:36:39,131
and then didn't see
a soul for the rest of it.
440
00:36:39,174 --> 00:36:42,177
We ended up doing
about 20, a little over
20-mile-day yesterday.
441
00:36:42,221 --> 00:36:45,920
So we were able to get
a room in a local's home.
442
00:36:45,964 --> 00:36:48,096
We each had our own bed.
443
00:36:48,140 --> 00:36:51,186
We were able to get a shower
and a hot meal and we were
able to wake up this morning
444
00:36:51,230 --> 00:36:53,754
in beautiful Twin Lakes
and we were ecstatic.
445
00:36:53,798 --> 00:36:57,715
Because of the fire ban
that's currently in place across
the entire Colorado Trail,
446
00:36:57,758 --> 00:37:01,719
Aaron and I have now had to
completely eliminate campfires
447
00:37:01,762 --> 00:37:03,764
and so we can't
have hot meals now.
448
00:37:03,808 --> 00:37:07,028
And it was definitely
a morale booster,
I think, for both of us.
449
00:37:07,072 --> 00:37:09,857
We were-- we woke up
this morning feeling
like a million bucks.
450
00:37:09,901 --> 00:37:12,251
Great to have a hot meal.
451
00:37:12,294 --> 00:37:16,472
I ate a bunch of pasta and some
of Ben's steak and I'm ready to-
ready to start walking for sure.
452
00:37:17,343 --> 00:37:18,736
Awesome, yeah.
453
00:37:18,779 --> 00:37:20,085
[man] Mine looks very similar.
454
00:37:20,128 --> 00:37:21,913
-Does it?
-[man] Same function.
455
00:37:21,956 --> 00:37:23,741
-Do you know which model it is?
-[man] I could
give it, it's just-
456
00:37:23,784 --> 00:37:25,525
I-- I can tell you
about it, absolutely.
457
00:37:27,788 --> 00:37:30,095
Very nice.
458
00:37:30,138 --> 00:37:33,098
-Do you know anything about it?
-[man] Came with the family
cabin that we had in Wisconsin.
459
00:37:33,141 --> 00:37:37,842
No shit. This is a Remington
Army revolver in .44 caliber.
460
00:37:37,885 --> 00:37:39,452
The model is 1858.
461
00:37:39,495 --> 00:37:44,022
They were manufactured
from 1863 up until about 1873.
462
00:37:44,805 --> 00:37:46,502
[guitar playing]
463
00:37:59,037 --> 00:38:02,475
So, we had some period
maps from the trail.
464
00:38:02,518 --> 00:38:06,305
-[man] Yeah.
-The trail-- it's all the
scalings using the original map.
465
00:38:06,348 --> 00:38:09,003
So, if any of you feel
like there is anybody-
466
00:38:09,047 --> 00:38:11,876
anybody in general
who wants to take one,
they are free to have one.
467
00:38:11,919 --> 00:38:15,096
Now depending on
the year, this state was
technically Texas, right?
468
00:38:15,140 --> 00:38:17,272
-[Ben] It was technically
Kansas-Utah.
-Kansas.
469
00:38:17,316 --> 00:38:19,144
[Ben] Kansas-Utah territory.
470
00:38:19,187 --> 00:38:23,191
So, it wouldn't become
the Colorado territory
until, what, '60? '61.
471
00:38:23,888 --> 00:38:28,544
I don't know if you can
see on the-- all this.
472
00:38:28,588 --> 00:38:32,592
I got like-- I stopped for
water once yesterday,
got like 14 or 15 bites.
473
00:38:33,941 --> 00:38:34,899
Perfect.
474
00:38:35,856 --> 00:38:37,336
I already stink
on the trail, so.
475
00:38:38,119 --> 00:38:40,078
Your shirt is a totally
different color now.
476
00:38:40,121 --> 00:38:41,819
-[Aaron] Oh, yeah.
-He washed his shirt last night.
477
00:38:50,262 --> 00:38:51,916
♪♪♪
478
00:39:49,060 --> 00:39:52,367
Aaron's got a far more leveled
step and so I think he's
gonna get far more miles-
479
00:39:52,411 --> 00:39:55,370
It's that barefoot training,
man, I'm telling you.
480
00:39:55,414 --> 00:39:58,939
-I thought the-- I thought
by now it's much added-
-It's the wave of the future.
481
00:39:58,983 --> 00:40:05,598
I have a little bit of a bow leg
and so because it's gravel, so--
so it's rough and it's like-
482
00:40:05,641 --> 00:40:11,169
it literally is like sandpaper
to these leather soles,
my heel is just rubbed,
483
00:40:11,212 --> 00:40:14,520
I'm now walking at an angle
far more than I should be
484
00:40:14,563 --> 00:40:18,654
because every time I take
a step now it's like rolling
my ankle like naturally.
485
00:40:18,698 --> 00:40:23,572
So, the good news
is if somebody's not
bowlegged like me,
486
00:40:24,443 --> 00:40:27,272
they could easily get
150, 200 miles solid.
487
00:40:27,968 --> 00:40:31,450
-They weren't as big of trash as
I think they're made out to be.
-Yeah.
488
00:40:31,493 --> 00:40:37,064
Because my biggest-- my
actual concern with these was
not the leather or the soles,
489
00:40:37,108 --> 00:40:40,589
it was actually that the
canvas is gonna start busting
because, I mean we're-
490
00:40:40,633 --> 00:40:45,681
we're constantly slamming into
rocks and I don't even have
as much as a snag on these.
491
00:40:45,725 --> 00:40:48,075
They're dirty
but that's about it.
492
00:40:48,119 --> 00:40:49,598
Yeah, I'm really
happy with them.
493
00:40:49,642 --> 00:40:51,165
-Let's go find a little shade.
-Yeah.
494
00:41:15,059 --> 00:41:16,974
-[Ben] But they seem
to be so gross.
-[Aaron] I know.
495
00:41:17,017 --> 00:41:18,149
[Ben] So hot.
496
00:41:22,283 --> 00:41:24,024
-It was pretty quick.
-Yeah, we had food for a while.
497
00:41:24,068 --> 00:41:27,114
Why'd you let me get
an egg sandwich, man?
498
00:41:27,158 --> 00:41:28,463
[Aaron] You told me
what you wanted.
499
00:41:28,507 --> 00:41:29,421
Ugh!
500
00:41:31,336 --> 00:41:34,339
It's like grandma used to
make. I didn't like it then.
501
00:41:35,470 --> 00:41:37,385
[Aaron] In fact, grandma
made that sandwich.
502
00:41:37,429 --> 00:41:38,473
[chuckles]
503
00:41:41,737 --> 00:41:43,739
Need a knife to take
some of that off?
504
00:41:47,482 --> 00:41:50,181
[Ben] Some of that's just-- it's
like dropping it in cat hair.
505
00:41:52,313 --> 00:41:53,532
There's just no saving it.
506
00:42:12,551 --> 00:42:14,509
It's hot today, man.
507
00:42:14,553 --> 00:42:16,685
-This is the hottest day
we've had since we started.
-[Aaron] Yeah, easily.
508
00:42:16,729 --> 00:42:20,037
-The last couple of
days have been easily-
-[Aaron] Very comfortable.
509
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,127
-Easily in the mid-60s.
-Yeah.
510
00:42:23,170 --> 00:42:26,217
-Today it's might be in the 80s.
-Exactly.
511
00:42:26,260 --> 00:42:27,044
Yeah.
512
00:42:27,087 --> 00:42:28,610
Going up on 90.
513
00:42:28,654 --> 00:42:31,439
-No breeze on the first
hundred either.
-No.
514
00:42:31,483 --> 00:42:33,746
It's nice standing on the
breeze here for a minute.
515
00:42:33,789 --> 00:42:35,052
All right, man.
516
00:42:37,576 --> 00:42:38,707
Did me well.
517
00:42:40,274 --> 00:42:43,538
He got some serious
distance out of us.
518
00:42:43,582 --> 00:42:45,758
-Yeah.
-We're not expected.
519
00:42:45,801 --> 00:42:48,761
As most as I
would've liked but--
520
00:42:51,242 --> 00:42:54,419
-How are we doing?
-Yeah, right on time.
521
00:42:55,768 --> 00:42:57,074
[Ben] Busted hole in there.
522
00:42:57,117 --> 00:43:00,077
This last few little
bit was gnarly, man.
523
00:43:01,121 --> 00:43:02,470
It's all sand today.
524
00:43:04,298 --> 00:43:05,734
The sole flared again.
525
00:43:05,778 --> 00:43:09,086
-Yeah?
-[Aaron] Yeah, it's
lanced, so it's nasty.
526
00:43:09,129 --> 00:43:11,566
Never had a blister
quite like this.
527
00:43:13,438 --> 00:43:15,396
First socks.
528
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,225
I know I can't wait to put--
I'm just letting my feet
air up for a minute.
529
00:43:18,269 --> 00:43:20,749
I'm not gonna put
them on until I have to.
530
00:43:21,489 --> 00:43:25,102
My toes are swollen up.
This one, here. What if I
broke it or something? Ow!
531
00:43:27,191 --> 00:43:28,583
It must have been
really hurting me.
532
00:43:28,627 --> 00:43:30,281
-Oh, has it?
-Yeah.
533
00:43:31,195 --> 00:43:33,458
Ow! They're both
like that? Nope.
534
00:43:34,633 --> 00:43:38,115
Wouldn't be surprised
like I've got-- if I got a
couple of micro fractures.
535
00:43:38,158 --> 00:43:40,073
Oh, man.
536
00:43:40,117 --> 00:43:44,295
So it looks like Wednesday
we'll hit the halfway
point if we keep on track.
537
00:43:44,338 --> 00:43:46,340
[man] Does it feel like
you've been halfway?
538
00:43:46,384 --> 00:43:48,255
Feels like I've been
all the way and back.
539
00:43:48,299 --> 00:43:49,735
[man] Think we could
do this one more time?
540
00:43:51,302 --> 00:43:54,435
In my head, it's
always Segment 1.
541
00:43:54,479 --> 00:43:57,743
That way I'll be pleasantly
surprised when it's over.
542
00:43:57,786 --> 00:44:00,267
I still blame Aaron for saying
he would go with me.
543
00:44:00,311 --> 00:44:02,878
Because if he wouldn't have
said he would have I probably
wouldn't have done it.
544
00:44:03,575 --> 00:44:05,403
Two idiots.
545
00:44:05,446 --> 00:44:07,144
-Driving to the backcountry.
-[man] That's another
good title. Yeah.
546
00:44:08,667 --> 00:44:12,497
[Ben] Wearing nothing
but outdated gear that's
outdated for a reason.
547
00:44:13,672 --> 00:44:16,588
Will they survive?
God, we hope not.
548
00:44:16,631 --> 00:44:21,506
We need to eliminate
that part of the gene
pool in those two guys.
549
00:44:21,549 --> 00:44:23,682
The trailer it cuts
through that old lady.
550
00:44:23,725 --> 00:44:25,814
[imitating old lady's voice]
I don't know why they're
on the trail making a movie.
551
00:44:25,858 --> 00:44:29,427
It defeats the purpose,
[imitates explosion]
in theaters.
552
00:44:30,689 --> 00:44:31,864
Oh, yeah.
553
00:44:31,907 --> 00:44:33,735
-I'm moving.
-The belt's perfect.
554
00:44:33,779 --> 00:44:35,607
Actually I pulled
it back a little tighter.
555
00:44:35,650 --> 00:44:37,086
Did you? Good.
556
00:44:37,130 --> 00:44:38,827
-'Cause, just in
case it stretches-
-Little stretch.
557
00:44:38,871 --> 00:44:41,308
Realized your shoes are
laced totally differently.
558
00:44:41,352 --> 00:44:42,309
Yes.
559
00:44:44,572 --> 00:44:46,661
-[Aaron] Is it bothering you?
-Yeah, it will bother me for
about the next six seconds
560
00:44:46,705 --> 00:44:48,620
-I'm gonna leave it.
-I'm gonna remember
that these shoes-
561
00:44:48,663 --> 00:44:51,318
-If I get new shoes,
I'll be lacing--
-You'd purposely do it?
562
00:45:10,816 --> 00:45:12,209
[Ben] What's the bad news?
563
00:45:15,777 --> 00:45:17,301
-[Ben] Did you?
-[man] Yeah.
564
00:45:17,344 --> 00:45:19,259
-[Ben] Okay.
-[man] Good news is
breakfast burritos.
565
00:45:19,303 --> 00:45:20,695
-All right.
-Fuck.
566
00:45:20,739 --> 00:45:23,481
-It'll work for now. Yeah.
-Goddamn. Thank you.
567
00:45:23,524 --> 00:45:27,789
[man] The mediocre news
is either hop into town
trying to get a resupply
568
00:45:27,833 --> 00:45:33,317
or I can leave you with the
food I have tonight then pop out
tomorrow with the resupply.
569
00:45:35,275 --> 00:45:36,668
I'm kind of indifferent.
570
00:45:38,322 --> 00:45:39,888
[man] Figured you've run through
everything since I was along.
571
00:45:39,932 --> 00:45:42,108
-Oh, yeah, we have
literally nothing.
-We have nothing.
572
00:45:42,108 --> 00:45:44,328
When I say nothing, we have--
I have like two small pieces
of pineapple and that's it.
573
00:45:44,371 --> 00:45:45,546
-[man] Yeah.
-This is--
574
00:45:46,417 --> 00:45:48,375
-[Aaron] Thank you.
-[man] No problem.
575
00:45:48,419 --> 00:45:50,943
-Thank you.
-I figure so everything
is still a fire band, so.
576
00:45:51,596 --> 00:45:54,903
[Ben] Aaron's blister between
his toes on his other foot
were fucking gnarly.
577
00:45:54,947 --> 00:45:56,644
[Aaron] Yeah, let me
show you the other one.
578
00:46:00,387 --> 00:46:05,262
[Aaron] I managed to pop this
guy, which helped quite a bit,
579
00:46:05,305 --> 00:46:10,267
and then this guy. This guy
popped a few days ago, hasn't
been bothering me so much.
580
00:46:10,310 --> 00:46:12,660
Me and my feet
are getting tore up.
581
00:46:12,704 --> 00:46:16,490
We wake up in the morning and we
start walking and our feet feel
like we've just walked 23 miles.
582
00:46:17,404 --> 00:46:19,667
-So I think--
-[man] So you're
going back to boots?
583
00:46:19,711 --> 00:46:20,973
I think he's gonna
try the boots.
584
00:46:22,496 --> 00:46:24,933
[Ben] This terrain is just--
it is something else, man.
585
00:46:24,977 --> 00:46:26,631
It's not meant for this.
586
00:46:31,505 --> 00:46:33,638
It's day 14th for me.
587
00:46:33,681 --> 00:46:35,988
-And you?
-I forgot.
588
00:46:36,031 --> 00:46:41,602
I started-- I totally forgot
because I started earlier than
a lot of people on 28th of June
589
00:46:42,342 --> 00:46:44,083
and then I took
my time through it.
590
00:46:44,866 --> 00:46:47,608
I got lost for two
days in Segment 3.
591
00:46:47,652 --> 00:46:51,656
I saw a post on WhiteBlaze
and it was, apparently, Ben.
592
00:46:51,699 --> 00:46:56,791
And then I made the connection
yesterday when I saw him, I'm
like, "Oh, they're not Amish,
593
00:46:56,835 --> 00:47:01,492
these guys-- these guys are
actually the old-timey dudes."
594
00:47:02,710 --> 00:47:06,758
It's mind-blowing really
considering like we're-
-we're complaining and-
595
00:47:06,801 --> 00:47:09,978
and hurt and out
here wearing modern
technology and stuff
596
00:47:10,022 --> 00:47:16,071
and they are trudging on with
all their old school gear and
getting it done just as well so.
597
00:47:16,115 --> 00:47:20,380
It's been-- it's been really
interesting to me to
see your gear because-
598
00:47:20,424 --> 00:47:23,949
well, besides the shoe,
shoes are different,
but for the most part
599
00:47:23,992 --> 00:47:28,823
a lot of this stuff I
have, this kind of have
ultra light cutting-edge
600
00:47:28,867 --> 00:47:36,004
technologies Cuben fiber,
silnylon, the whole bit, you
know, high fill power down.
601
00:47:36,048 --> 00:47:38,790
The designs are very
similar, you know.
602
00:47:39,878 --> 00:47:42,141
Y'all's tent is a catenary cut.
603
00:47:42,184 --> 00:47:48,800
Catenary cuts are still in
production in all the major tarp
or tent-making companies today.
604
00:47:48,843 --> 00:47:53,065
So it's-- there's actually
a lot of similarities
between the gear.
605
00:47:53,892 --> 00:48:00,986
Yeah, you must have had no
idea because with shoes like
that like that's insane, man.
606
00:48:01,029 --> 00:48:03,597
And you're packed like you're
it's still lighter than mine.
607
00:48:05,773 --> 00:48:08,036
I definitely over-pack.
608
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:13,738
Every time I see-- I mean
just all the gear you have and
everything is very, very smart.
609
00:48:13,781 --> 00:48:20,701
For my next trip, you know, to
pack lighter and definitely and
pack more useful stuff, I guess.
610
00:48:20,745 --> 00:48:22,137
Take care of your
feet with, man.
611
00:48:22,181 --> 00:48:23,530
-[Aaron] I'm gonna do my best.
-Thanks.
612
00:48:23,574 --> 00:48:24,923
-Yeah.
-[man] Good luck
with everything.
613
00:48:26,838 --> 00:48:29,536
Aaron is probably the one
who is, I think, struggling
with the things.
614
00:48:29,580 --> 00:48:31,451
-With the-- with the feet?
-With his feet, yeah.
615
00:48:31,495 --> 00:48:35,063
Mine hurt like hell
but he's-- I think he's
like in genuine pain.
616
00:48:35,107 --> 00:48:36,064
Yeah.
617
00:48:36,108 --> 00:48:37,414
All right.
618
00:48:37,457 --> 00:48:38,719
-But take care of
yourself, man.
-Yeah.
619
00:48:38,763 --> 00:48:39,807
He was talking about getting
some moccasins.
620
00:48:39,851 --> 00:48:41,635
-And I hope--
-Yeah, you know-
621
00:48:41,679 --> 00:48:43,724
-And then the guy is
not getting back from-
-Yeah, so he got back
622
00:48:43,768 --> 00:48:47,511
-to him once, he's like, oh
yeah, I can do them and-
-That was it.
623
00:48:47,554 --> 00:48:49,295
-That was it.
-Yeah.
624
00:48:49,338 --> 00:48:51,863
That was the last of it.
So, well, go get yourself
some food, man.
625
00:48:51,906 --> 00:48:52,864
Enjoy yourselves.
626
00:48:52,907 --> 00:48:54,431
-All right, cool.
-Good luck.
627
00:48:54,474 --> 00:48:56,737
[Ben] And they are really pretty
soft shoes, to begin with.
628
00:48:56,781 --> 00:49:02,177
I'd broken them in about
15 miles before we started.
629
00:49:03,657 --> 00:49:07,748
And they breathe better than
the other boots do when I-
630
00:49:07,792 --> 00:49:10,055
especially when I pull
the trousers over them.
631
00:49:10,098 --> 00:49:13,058
So, let me see here.
632
00:49:13,101 --> 00:49:15,016
Oh man, fuck.
633
00:49:15,060 --> 00:49:18,585
Now I'm getting shooting
nerve pains up my legs
every time I take a step.
634
00:49:18,629 --> 00:49:20,152
It's revolutionary right now.
635
00:49:20,195 --> 00:49:21,762
Really enjoying it.
636
00:49:21,806 --> 00:49:24,504
-Will you stay in
boots till the end?
-I mean we'll see.
637
00:49:24,548 --> 00:49:26,898
I'm curious to see how these
are doing at the end of the day.
638
00:49:26,941 --> 00:49:30,771
But I'll have to just--
just get there.
639
00:49:30,815 --> 00:49:32,817
I got 14 miles to figure it out.
640
00:49:36,168 --> 00:49:38,562
[Nathan] I want to talk
more about the history
of the Colorado Trail.
641
00:49:38,605 --> 00:49:40,477
It's an issue for listeners.
642
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,610
They pointed out after
we last spoke was that
you focused on the 1860s
643
00:49:43,654 --> 00:49:46,787
and white people on
the trail when at this
time Native Americans
644
00:49:46,831 --> 00:49:50,008
were being displaced
from their land and
there was a lot of conflict.
645
00:49:50,051 --> 00:49:53,098
In that era, would you've
encountered lots of Native
Americans on the trail?
646
00:49:54,186 --> 00:49:59,844
[Aaron] Our plan when we
came out here was to
portray businessman
647
00:49:59,887 --> 00:50:05,589
seeking Indian villages
in the Rockies to set up
business deals, trade deals.
648
00:50:06,546 --> 00:50:11,551
And the Ute would have been
all through the route of the
Colorado Trail and elsewhere.
649
00:50:11,595 --> 00:50:13,118
They were all up and
down the Front Range.
650
00:50:15,512 --> 00:50:21,213
On the Plains, you would have
seen Cheyenne-Arapaho, different
bands of Apaches, Crow, Kiowa.
651
00:50:21,909 --> 00:50:29,700
In 1864, there were a series
of major Indian troubles.
652
00:50:30,614 --> 00:50:33,007
The white government raised
Indian fighting regiments
653
00:50:33,051 --> 00:50:38,709
and mostly the Cheyenne but also
the Arapaho and went to war.
654
00:50:38,752 --> 00:50:41,973
And that culminated in
the Sand Creek Massacre,
655
00:50:42,016 --> 00:50:46,673
200 Cheyenne-Arapaho
were murdered by
cavalry from Colorado.
656
00:50:47,587 --> 00:50:51,591
And most of those folks
were displaced to Oklahoma.
657
00:50:51,635 --> 00:50:57,031
Pretty much the Cheyenne-Arapaho
especially have been totally
displaced from Colorado.
658
00:50:57,075 --> 00:50:59,599
There are still Ute
who live here.
659
00:50:59,643 --> 00:51:02,167
You know it's important
to remember that these
communities are not dead
660
00:51:02,210 --> 00:51:03,864
they're still around.
661
00:51:03,908 --> 00:51:07,607
We're definitely aware of
the lack of Indians out here.
662
00:51:07,651 --> 00:51:15,920
It's something that I think
just as white people colonizers
having fun in the wilderness,
663
00:51:15,963 --> 00:51:22,709
it's-- it's important to
remember whose land
this actually is and was.
664
00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:32,937
[man] If you're ready
and willing.
665
00:51:33,981 --> 00:51:36,201
-You're willing?
-I'm willing.
666
00:51:36,244 --> 00:51:37,898
-[man] You're willing to--
-I'm willing.
667
00:51:46,211 --> 00:51:47,734
It's just 14 miles.
668
00:51:47,778 --> 00:51:48,996
It's nothing.
669
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:52,609
The second shortest day
of the trip mile-wise.
670
00:51:59,790 --> 00:52:00,921
Very hot set.
671
00:52:03,968 --> 00:52:05,404
I could use some water.
672
00:52:07,145 --> 00:52:09,408
If it weren't for the
heat, we'll miss a bath.
673
00:52:14,718 --> 00:52:17,372
Our last few days just can't
get enough water on me, man.
674
00:52:17,416 --> 00:52:18,983
No matter how hard I try.
675
00:52:21,115 --> 00:52:24,249
It's like I can fill up and
I still-- I still don't feel
like I'm getting enough.
676
00:52:24,292 --> 00:52:26,817
Yeah, definitely not.
677
00:52:39,003 --> 00:52:41,832
-The road walk is over,
though. Man, I can't--
-Seriously.
678
00:52:42,789 --> 00:52:43,964
Seriously.
679
00:52:48,099 --> 00:52:49,317
Feet are feeling better.
680
00:52:49,361 --> 00:52:52,320
Still-- still aching
but they feel better.
681
00:52:52,364 --> 00:52:54,540
Yeah.
682
00:52:54,583 --> 00:52:59,850
[Ben] I'm sweating and the
fact that my feet really haven't
been able to dry out much.
683
00:53:01,155 --> 00:53:03,157
[Aaron] They're doing
okay. They're doing okay.
684
00:53:03,201 --> 00:53:06,378
I'm just trying to take every
opportunity I can to
dry them out, you know,
685
00:53:07,205 --> 00:53:15,779
and let them rest, get blood
flowing just to try to prevent
more issues from coming up.
686
00:53:15,822 --> 00:53:20,392
But the nerve pain seems
to have abated at least.
So I'm-- I'm happy about that.
687
00:53:21,219 --> 00:53:23,134
It's gross.
688
00:53:23,177 --> 00:53:25,440
I wonder if I could just
like brain tan it and
make it into a moccasin.
689
00:53:27,225 --> 00:53:29,140
Get enough blisters,
maybe I can.
690
00:53:32,230 --> 00:53:34,101
Talk about a different
kind of conditioning,
691
00:53:34,145 --> 00:53:37,017
a different kind of pain
conditioning involved also
692
00:53:37,061 --> 00:53:41,239
and their feet were
just a different shape
from ours, you know.
693
00:53:41,282 --> 00:53:48,289
But these guys would have grown
up, you know, running 20 miles a
day and barefoot the whole time.
694
00:53:48,333 --> 00:53:51,205
That's just kind of how
children were raised.
695
00:53:51,249 --> 00:53:55,775
So, obviously,
there were cultural
differences between the-
696
00:53:55,819 --> 00:54:02,173
the socio-economic classes
but, you know, poor kids would
kind of get let loose all day.
697
00:54:02,216 --> 00:54:06,046
So, their feet were tough,
their bodies were fit
698
00:54:06,090 --> 00:54:09,441
and they never really
lost that conditioning
just because their--
699
00:54:09,484 --> 00:54:12,749
their livelihoods
depended on their ability to,
700
00:54:12,792 --> 00:54:15,926
you know, move and hunt
and put food on the table.
701
00:54:20,495 --> 00:54:21,540
All right.
702
00:54:23,194 --> 00:54:26,023
Can't see if there are any other
flowers but that's all I see.
703
00:54:27,154 --> 00:54:28,460
♪♪♪
704
00:55:05,018 --> 00:55:07,064
-[man] It's happening?
-Well,
705
00:55:12,156 --> 00:55:13,200
oh, yeah.
706
00:55:14,419 --> 00:55:16,334
-[Aaron] Want me
to knock it out?
-No.
707
00:55:18,379 --> 00:55:19,163
Man.
708
00:55:19,903 --> 00:55:23,341
Well, I had a root canal.
709
00:55:23,384 --> 00:55:24,472
It didn't take.
710
00:55:26,387 --> 00:55:30,478
And so right before I came
out here, he attempted
to redo the root canal
711
00:55:30,522 --> 00:55:35,396
and he still couldn't
get it. So he put just this
temporary crown on there.
712
00:55:36,354 --> 00:55:39,357
And the problem is
that there's very little
of the tooth left
713
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,447
because I've gone
through two root canals.
714
00:55:42,490 --> 00:55:47,147
And I'm just really worried
about that crown breaking,
715
00:55:47,191 --> 00:55:50,063
I'm already having
trouble with it, I think
it's already infected.
716
00:55:50,107 --> 00:55:53,240
Luckily, I had medicine but
still that's gonna kill me, man.
717
00:55:56,896 --> 00:56:01,379
Some antibiotics just
in case I was out here
and this happened, so.
718
00:56:03,294 --> 00:56:06,993
Are out here for a week and
have to leave before we finish.
719
00:56:07,907 --> 00:56:08,821
That's true.
720
00:56:08,865 --> 00:56:10,170
-I'll watch it.
-Think about it.
721
00:56:10,214 --> 00:56:12,564
I'll see how I do
eating as well.
722
00:56:12,607 --> 00:56:14,087
I swallowed that
whole crown, man.
723
00:56:14,958 --> 00:56:17,003
-Yeah, well.
-Yum.
724
00:56:17,047 --> 00:56:19,397
-You'll see that again.
-[laughing]
725
00:56:37,589 --> 00:56:39,112
Yeah, I need to let
my feet out anywhere.
726
00:56:39,156 --> 00:56:40,897
-I'm getting really
bad heat rash.
-Yeah.
727
00:56:40,940 --> 00:56:42,507
Yeah, yeah.
728
00:56:42,550 --> 00:56:44,552
You got those shoes
on way too long.
729
00:56:49,949 --> 00:56:51,255
I'll take that other one.
730
00:56:51,298 --> 00:56:52,691
-Yeah?
-Yeah.
731
00:56:53,997 --> 00:56:55,172
Thank you, Sir.
732
00:56:57,043 --> 00:56:59,002
Between my feet, they
feel like they got run
over by a semi-truck.
733
00:56:59,045 --> 00:57:03,658
Now my tooth, I mean
my whole face throbbed,
my whole head hurt.
734
00:57:03,702 --> 00:57:08,576
And the fact that they were
both just exhausted, we're
running on fumes for days.
735
00:57:10,361 --> 00:57:15,366
And I know Aaron well enough
to know that it doesn't matter
if his feet literally fall off,
736
00:57:15,409 --> 00:57:16,628
he's not gonna stop.
737
00:57:18,847 --> 00:57:20,980
And I just want to try to keep
pace with him but it's just
he's just moving too slow
738
00:57:21,024 --> 00:57:24,505
which I get it totally
understand hundred
percent, you know.
739
00:57:25,463 --> 00:57:29,380
Guys weren't really traversing
these passes and stuff
like the way we're doing
740
00:57:29,423 --> 00:57:32,035
until later on in the '60s
and early in the '70s
741
00:57:32,078 --> 00:57:36,691
and footwear had been
developed at that point
for this specifically.
742
00:57:36,735 --> 00:57:40,957
And there's just no way we were
gonna know how rough these
shoes were gonna be on her feet
743
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,089
until we actually got out here
and we actually started moving
744
00:57:43,133 --> 00:57:45,222
and we actually started
realizing that,
745
00:57:45,265 --> 00:57:50,227
you know, the toll-- the biggest
toll that's being taken on
us is by far our feet.
746
00:57:51,097 --> 00:57:54,013
[Ben] Just tell him it's kind
of gotten past the point
where it's not even-
747
00:57:54,057 --> 00:57:56,668
this is even more than pestering
anyway this is just stupid.
748
00:57:59,323 --> 00:58:02,021
I have been feeling
stupid for quite some time.
749
00:58:06,156 --> 00:58:07,679
[birds chirping]
750
00:58:19,691 --> 00:58:20,474
[Ben] I just-
751
00:58:22,563 --> 00:58:23,390
[sighs]
752
00:58:24,870 --> 00:58:27,525
I'm not spending 30--another
30 fucking days out here.
753
00:58:27,568 --> 00:58:33,009
And he wants to, like,
do slower days, which
I fully understand.
754
00:58:34,053 --> 00:58:36,490
And he wants to try to--
he says we need to take
care of ourselves better,
755
00:58:36,534 --> 00:58:39,363
which I fully agree
with hundred percent.
756
00:58:39,406 --> 00:58:41,147
There's just no way
to do it like this.
757
00:58:41,191 --> 00:58:42,409
There's just no way.
758
00:58:42,453 --> 00:58:44,020
We could drink.
759
00:58:44,063 --> 00:58:46,196
We don't have the capacity
to carry more water.
760
00:58:46,239 --> 00:58:48,415
So it means stopping
at every stream, drink
as much as we could.
761
00:58:48,459 --> 00:58:50,722
We still won't be
hydrated enough.
762
00:58:50,765 --> 00:58:54,160
Neither one of our packs have
the capacity to carry nearly
the amount of food we need.
763
00:58:54,204 --> 00:58:58,338
We can literally carry nothing
but Snicker bars and we
still wouldn't have enough
764
00:58:58,382 --> 00:59:00,601
calorie intake for
what we'll burn per day.
765
00:59:00,645 --> 00:59:02,690
We've burned six, seven
thousand calories a day.
766
00:59:02,734 --> 00:59:06,564
I'm not doing slower days
and spending more time
going through this yet
767
00:59:06,607 --> 00:59:10,307
over the next-- you know,
adding 10 more days.
Listen, I'm just not doing it.
768
00:59:10,350 --> 00:59:12,091
This doesn't work for me.
769
00:59:12,135 --> 00:59:16,704
So, we disagreed to
disagree and then just
to get through today
770
00:59:16,748 --> 00:59:20,578
as a temporary
solution to everything, so.
771
00:59:21,579 --> 00:59:24,103
At this point the rate
we're going now,
by the time we finish,
772
00:59:24,147 --> 00:59:26,714
we're gonna be in modern
gear with modern shoes
with modern sleeping bags
773
00:59:26,758 --> 00:59:29,369
and we will have just
completed through hike
as a modern through hiker.
774
00:59:29,413 --> 00:59:37,682
The history part we-- almost
kind of abandoned us, not even
us abandon it a long time ago.
775
00:59:37,725 --> 00:59:41,120
And now it's just like
endurance and strength.
776
00:59:41,164 --> 00:59:42,600
This is like whatever.
777
00:59:44,123 --> 00:59:45,603
It's been a long couple of days.
778
00:59:45,646 --> 00:59:47,213
We can't cook food out here.
779
00:59:47,257 --> 00:59:49,650
If it's cold, we can't
even warm ourselves up.
780
00:59:49,694 --> 00:59:52,436
We just have to, you
know, barrel through.
781
00:59:52,479 --> 00:59:56,831
If I can make it over this
pass today, I think at
least I'll feel a little better.
782
00:59:56,875 --> 01:00:01,749
So, hopefully, we only
have another mile, mile
and a half, I'm guessing.
783
01:00:01,793 --> 01:00:03,490
But who knows.
784
01:00:03,534 --> 01:00:05,710
We're moving so much
slower today and yesterday
than we have been.
785
01:00:05,753 --> 01:00:08,104
Our sense of mileage
is completely shot.
786
01:00:08,147 --> 01:00:10,410
All I know is that I guess
I gotta keep walking.
787
01:00:14,284 --> 01:00:17,765
I stopped and slammed
a quick leader.
788
01:00:17,809 --> 01:00:20,116
Definitely feel slow today.
789
01:00:21,378 --> 01:00:23,902
You know, I--
790
01:00:27,427 --> 01:00:32,650
Yeah, I don't know, Ben's
trucking along, but I can't
get him to take care of himself,
791
01:00:32,693 --> 01:00:35,218
I can't get him to
drink water or eat food
or take his shoes off.
792
01:00:35,261 --> 01:00:38,525
So, you know,
it's like, all right.
793
01:00:40,484 --> 01:00:42,399
Today I think he's not
drinking enough water.
794
01:00:42,442 --> 01:00:44,227
I tried. You know, I
was like, "Drink water."
795
01:00:44,270 --> 01:00:46,359
"No, we can't stay hydrated.
796
01:00:46,403 --> 01:00:49,493
"Yeah, if you're not drinking
water, you're not gonna
stay hydrated," you know.
797
01:00:49,536 --> 01:00:55,455
I mean, it's-- I understand
and I-- I'm feeling it, you
know, I'm feeling it, it's fine.
798
01:00:55,499 --> 01:00:59,155
But, yeah, today's hard.
799
01:00:59,198 --> 01:01:00,199
Today's hard for sure.
800
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:09,486
[Nathan] I want to go
back to the director of
the Trail Foundation,
801
01:02:09,529 --> 01:02:11,488
Bill Manning, for a minute.
802
01:02:11,531 --> 01:02:13,620
We spoke with him last week
and here's what he had
to say about your trip.
803
01:02:13,664 --> 01:02:17,537
[Bill] Anybody who's able to hike a couple hundred miles is--
804
01:02:17,581 --> 01:02:19,931
has sure got a
reason to be proud.
805
01:02:19,974 --> 01:02:27,721
You know, the entire
Colorado Trail involves 89,000 vertical feet of climbing
806
01:02:27,765 --> 01:02:34,554
and his couple of hundred
miles, I think is probably
over 30,000 vertical feet.
807
01:02:34,598 --> 01:02:36,861
It takes a heck of
an effort to do that.
808
01:02:36,904 --> 01:02:41,474
[Nathan] When your equipment
was working and you were on
a good clip and able to hike,
809
01:02:41,518 --> 01:02:43,041
did it- did it live up
to your expectation?
810
01:03:20,774 --> 01:03:25,344
As beautiful as it is, we
should probably move off
before the storms come in.
811
01:03:25,388 --> 01:03:28,913
This is the last place I want
to be if it starts raining.
812
01:03:50,369 --> 01:03:53,807
Me and him talked a good bit.
We talked about everything. We
talked about the trail itself.
813
01:03:53,851 --> 01:03:56,636
We talked about the
experiences we've had.
814
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:58,638
We've talked about how
we're feeling health-wise.
815
01:03:58,682 --> 01:04:03,817
And I-- I can't speak for Aaron
although we have spoke about it,
816
01:04:03,861 --> 01:04:06,646
but I think the through hike
portion of this is over.
817
01:04:06,690 --> 01:04:11,869
I think regardless of what
goes on from here, we both
need several days to recoup.
818
01:04:12,696 --> 01:04:19,006
What I learned here was
about the physical
conditioning that these people
819
01:04:19,050 --> 01:04:25,839
had under their belts from
childhood that allowed them
to explore these mountains.
820
01:04:25,883 --> 01:04:31,105
It's a totally different kind
of conditioning than what
we've-- what we've got now.
821
01:04:31,149 --> 01:04:35,936
I was the whole time just
experiencing the way that
my body was changing.
822
01:04:35,980 --> 01:04:39,723
I've-- you know, I've easily
lost 20 pounds and I didn't
have 20 pounds to lose.
823
01:04:39,766 --> 01:04:42,073
I think I'm digesting
muscle at this point.
824
01:04:42,116 --> 01:04:48,688
Over the course of two weeks,
I've-- twice I felt like-- I
felt like I was in the period.
825
01:04:48,732 --> 01:04:52,039
I'm not hiking in the gear
as a novelty and that's
what it's become.
826
01:04:52,083 --> 01:04:54,738
-Well, he's doing 200 miles,
a little over 200 miles.
-Two hundred and five.
827
01:04:54,781 --> 01:04:56,261
Two hundred and five.
828
01:04:56,304 --> 01:04:58,916
And I just broke 200 miles
when I-- right up the road.
829
01:04:58,959 --> 01:05:01,745
As miserable as I
feel now, I can't believe
I even made it that far.
830
01:05:01,788 --> 01:05:02,833
I do feel accomplished.
831
01:05:02,876 --> 01:05:04,182
I definitely feel accomplished.
832
01:05:04,225 --> 01:05:07,533
You know, I definitely
don't feel any reservation
833
01:05:07,577 --> 01:05:11,885
about getting what we
got out of this experiment.
834
01:05:12,625 --> 01:05:17,151
The-- the place that we tried
to put ourselves physically,
the-- the-- the wilderness,
835
01:05:17,195 --> 01:05:25,551
this idea of a Western Frontier
exists in the minds of Americans
836
01:05:25,595 --> 01:05:28,162
but it doesn't-- it's not
a real place anymore.
837
01:05:28,206 --> 01:05:34,473
You can't wander into the woods
and be totally removed.
838
01:05:34,517 --> 01:05:39,435
You have to carefully
orchestrate the space
in which that happens.
839
01:05:39,478 --> 01:05:43,526
It's about getting out and
doing it and that's what I
feel like I need to do now.
840
01:06:11,728 --> 01:06:14,470
[Nathan] So after
all the planning
841
01:06:14,513 --> 01:06:17,473
and the work you put into
planning this 500-mile journey,
842
01:06:17,516 --> 01:06:20,040
how disappointed are you
with what's happened so far?
843
01:06:33,837 --> 01:06:38,842
[Aaron] The importance
of slowing down and taking it
in has definitely stuck with me.
844
01:06:39,582 --> 01:06:44,630
[Ben] I'd convinced myself that
wilderness didn't exist because
I didn't spend enough time
845
01:06:44,674 --> 01:06:48,895
in those places for them
to sink in that they
were actually there
846
01:06:48,939 --> 01:06:53,247
'cause I just-- just wanted
to push best time
and coming back out.
847
01:06:54,205 --> 01:07:00,124
And spending five days in the
woods and just taking it and--
and seeing every little rock
848
01:07:00,167 --> 01:07:05,172
I can and every pebble and
every tree and every stream and
every marmot and every pike
849
01:07:05,216 --> 01:07:10,526
and every bird and every
other creature that's out
here is-- has been invaluable.
850
01:07:10,569 --> 01:07:15,182
It was a lesson I learned
back in 2016 that I,
like, I wouldn't change.
851
01:07:16,706 --> 01:07:24,104
[Aaron] When we come out and
do things like this, now doing
less mileage, taking our time,
852
01:07:24,148 --> 01:07:29,675
having some rest time, some
downtime to just take it all in
has made a big difference.
853
01:07:29,719 --> 01:07:35,725
And I think that's something
that I've taken from the trail
in a-- in a very concrete way.
854
01:07:35,768 --> 01:07:39,119
And just trying to be more
about enjoying the journey
855
01:07:39,163 --> 01:07:43,080
even when the journey
is like the most pain
I have ever been in.
856
01:07:43,950 --> 01:07:50,087
[Ben] Emerging comes in in small
moments and those small moments
you have to absorb them
857
01:07:50,130 --> 01:07:53,612
while they happen, and then
they pass on like anything else.
858
01:07:53,656 --> 01:07:59,052
And so my mindset has been
to just, you know, take in those
moments when they happen,
859
01:07:59,096 --> 01:08:01,054
appreciate them,
and then move on.
860
01:08:01,098 --> 01:08:03,622
And I've gotten more
out of living history
861
01:08:03,666 --> 01:08:06,190
and more out of just like
research and education
862
01:08:06,233 --> 01:08:07,931
by doing it that way.
863
01:08:10,673 --> 01:08:13,850
[Aaron] And I do think
there's something to be
said for taking action.
864
01:08:13,893 --> 01:08:19,246
Doing the thing, regardless
of what it is, regardless of
whether you succeed or fail,
865
01:08:19,290 --> 01:08:23,250
failure is gonna outnumber
your successes a million to one
866
01:08:23,294 --> 01:08:25,252
no matter what it is
that you try to do,
867
01:08:25,296 --> 01:08:28,734
but just do the thing
because that's the only way
that, like, anyone makes
868
01:08:28,778 --> 01:08:33,173
any kind of progress
and also the only way
that you grow as a person
869
01:08:33,217 --> 01:08:37,656
is if you just do the
thing even if it sucks,
especially if it sucks.
870
01:08:37,700 --> 01:08:38,962
Do the thing.
871
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:43,314
I think that's pretty good.
[chuckling]
872
01:08:44,010 --> 01:08:47,753
♪ Is it in your skin
Is it in your bones ♪
873
01:08:49,363 --> 01:08:52,715
♪ All your honor undertow
874
01:08:55,152 --> 01:08:58,155
♪ And there it goes
The middle road ♪
875
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:03,639
♪ There goes everything untold
876
01:09:10,341 --> 01:09:12,212
♪ Ooohhh, for the love
877
01:09:13,910 --> 01:09:20,307
♪ Ooohhh for the long
878
01:09:20,351 --> 01:09:27,010
♪ Ooohhh, one by one
879
01:09:27,053 --> 01:09:29,665
♪ Your favorite son
880
01:09:30,970 --> 01:09:34,278
♪ It was Arizona, the 17th
881
01:09:34,974 --> 01:09:38,195
♪ The howl of knowing
What's underneath ♪
882
01:09:38,238 --> 01:09:41,415
♪ And I'm so sorry
I couldn't speak ♪
883
01:09:42,199 --> 01:09:48,466
♪ So sweet
884
01:09:59,956 --> 01:10:03,394
♪ A symptom of the overrun
885
01:10:05,222 --> 01:10:09,966
♪ A blinder trust
The whole lump sum ♪
886
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:14,710
♪ A warmer room
A hallowed flood ♪
887
01:10:15,972 --> 01:10:21,020
♪ A film, a page
Of what's to come ♪
888
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:28,114
♪ Ooohhh, for the love
889
01:10:29,463 --> 01:10:35,905
♪ Ooohhh, for the long run
890
01:10:36,949 --> 01:10:45,479
♪ Ooohhh, one by one
Your favorite son ♪
891
01:10:46,785 --> 01:10:50,267
♪ It was Arizona, the 17th
892
01:10:50,310 --> 01:10:54,227
♪ The howl of knowing
What's underneath ♪
893
01:10:54,271 --> 01:10:57,753
♪ And I'm so sorry
I couldn't speak ♪
894
01:10:57,796 --> 01:11:01,104
♪ I'm so sorry
I couldn't speak ♪
895
01:11:01,147 --> 01:11:04,890
♪ I'm so sorry
I couldn't speak ♪
896
01:11:04,934 --> 01:11:11,505
♪ So sweet
897
01:11:52,198 --> 01:11:53,809
[music ends]
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