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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:26,026 --> 00:00:27,819 Okay. 2 00:00:29,029 --> 00:00:30,029 Should I just go? 3 00:00:31,281 --> 00:00:33,867 Monsters aren't born, they're made, we make them. 4 00:00:34,409 --> 00:00:36,679 All of our monsters are human-made. 5 00:00:36,703 --> 00:00:39,474 The... We make them out of the things we're afraid of, 6 00:00:39,498 --> 00:00:41,333 we make them out of the things we hate. 7 00:00:45,921 --> 00:00:50,384 In our past, we, we became fearful as an evolutionary mechanism 8 00:00:50,968 --> 00:00:52,302 for survival. 9 00:00:53,095 --> 00:00:55,740 Don't go in the cave. It's dark. 10 00:00:55,764 --> 00:00:57,844 There could be something in there that will eat you. 11 00:00:59,685 --> 00:01:01,687 It's a human coping mechanism. 12 00:01:02,980 --> 00:01:06,376 This notion of things that are out of control, 13 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,026 things that we can't control. 14 00:01:09,486 --> 00:01:13,824 It just seems to be hardwired into the human psyche. 15 00:01:52,112 --> 00:01:55,157 Did, did kinda tell you why I was calling? 16 00:02:00,412 --> 00:02:01,890 He mentioned that, 17 00:02:01,914 --> 00:02:03,725 you know, that you'd be a good guy to talk to 18 00:02:03,749 --> 00:02:06,877 about kinda Spy Rock and Mendo and the scene. 19 00:02:13,383 --> 00:02:15,111 A confidential source told me 20 00:02:15,135 --> 00:02:16,720 that in 1993 21 00:02:17,596 --> 00:02:20,200 word on the mountain was that 22 00:02:20,224 --> 00:02:23,036 had a hand in the murders 23 00:02:23,060 --> 00:02:25,229 of three farm workers from Mexico 24 00:02:25,896 --> 00:02:28,565 at a dope patch off Spy Rock Road. 25 00:02:33,946 --> 00:02:35,155 Subsequent to that, 26 00:02:35,572 --> 00:02:38,259 Ghostdance told me that was pulled in for questioning 27 00:02:38,283 --> 00:02:40,452 by the Mendocino County Sheriff's Office 28 00:02:41,036 --> 00:02:43,223 regarding a different murder at a dope farm 29 00:02:43,247 --> 00:02:46,333 off Spy Rock Road that occurred in 2013. 30 00:02:48,418 --> 00:02:50,897 How long have... Are you still based, like... 31 00:02:50,921 --> 00:02:53,966 Are you still based in, in Mendo now? 32 00:02:56,343 --> 00:02:58,762 Yeah, how... When did you first get there, man? 33 00:03:06,979 --> 00:03:09,707 Would it... Would Spy Rock be a dangerous place 34 00:03:09,731 --> 00:03:12,693 for my crew and I to just, like, go and start trying to get interviews 35 00:03:29,459 --> 00:03:31,437 came across to me 36 00:03:31,461 --> 00:03:34,691 like somebody who's experienced with handling interrogations. 37 00:03:34,715 --> 00:03:37,259 Somebody that knew how to issue a veiled threat. 38 00:03:38,218 --> 00:03:39,988 Okay, let me ask you one more, 39 00:03:40,012 --> 00:03:41,698 one more thing, man. I mean, one of the stories, 40 00:03:41,722 --> 00:03:44,057 one of the stories I heard when I was working at that farm 41 00:03:44,641 --> 00:03:47,537 was about a, a triple homicide 42 00:03:47,561 --> 00:03:51,082 around Spy Rock Road in October or November of 1993 43 00:03:51,106 --> 00:03:53,334 where one version of the story is that 44 00:03:53,358 --> 00:03:55,235 an actual Sasquatch did it. 45 00:03:56,028 --> 00:03:58,155 Do you know anything about that? 46 00:04:02,326 --> 00:04:03,327 Okay. 47 00:04:04,953 --> 00:04:06,413 All right, man. Well... 48 00:04:30,103 --> 00:04:33,458 Just got out of a meeting with a source on Spy Rock 49 00:04:33,482 --> 00:04:37,212 and, um, dealing with all these dopers up here, 50 00:04:37,236 --> 00:04:39,255 it's, it's such a nest of vipers. 51 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,199 It's hard to know what to believe or how to gauge the truth. 52 00:04:42,783 --> 00:04:47,246 One quality I'm looking for is, consistency of information. 53 00:04:50,832 --> 00:04:52,769 There are certain things that keep coming up 54 00:04:52,793 --> 00:04:55,462 Three guys from Mexico, Hells Angels. 55 00:04:55,879 --> 00:04:59,424 From sources in different towns, from different generations. 56 00:04:59,925 --> 00:05:02,177 These common threads keep coming up. 57 00:05:04,179 --> 00:05:07,140 Now, twice in the last 72 hours, 58 00:05:08,100 --> 00:05:11,645 from two different individuals, I've heard that, yes, 59 00:05:12,187 --> 00:05:15,357 three men were murdered on Spy Rock in the fall of 1993. 60 00:05:17,985 --> 00:05:20,922 And they were murdered on orders from a powerful grower 61 00:05:20,946 --> 00:05:22,030 up here on Spy Rock. 62 00:05:26,743 --> 00:05:29,514 The, first source says the guys had gotten killed 63 00:05:29,538 --> 00:05:32,767 because they had gotten a local girl strung out 64 00:05:32,791 --> 00:05:34,084 on heroin and meth. 65 00:05:42,551 --> 00:05:44,845 The source today just said, you know, quote, 66 00:05:45,470 --> 00:05:47,949 you know, "They, they fucked with the wrong guy's daughter, 67 00:05:47,973 --> 00:05:49,474 and it got 'em killed." 68 00:05:51,894 --> 00:05:54,581 So that's just another angle to explore 69 00:05:54,605 --> 00:05:56,732 and keep an eye and ear out for. 70 00:06:20,756 --> 00:06:22,692 Thanks for agreeing to do this, man. 71 00:06:22,716 --> 00:06:23,800 I appreciate it. 72 00:06:24,301 --> 00:06:27,906 So I met with this Mendocino County investigator 73 00:06:27,930 --> 00:06:30,450 who is only willing to talk to us if his identity is protected, 74 00:06:30,474 --> 00:06:34,228 because... he's got a contract out on his life 75 00:06:34,895 --> 00:06:37,773 because he killed a cartel operative in a shootout. 76 00:06:38,774 --> 00:06:42,152 I asked you when we met I wanted to make sure about a guy named. 77 00:06:43,737 --> 00:06:44,737 Okay. 78 00:07:07,886 --> 00:07:11,741 I wasn't there when these events took place, 79 00:07:11,765 --> 00:07:14,035 but from people I knew there, 80 00:07:14,059 --> 00:07:16,204 they told me the story 81 00:07:16,228 --> 00:07:19,290 that probably one of the first people here 82 00:07:19,314 --> 00:07:21,859 to run a bigger operation 83 00:07:22,651 --> 00:07:24,695 was a guy they called Bigfoot 84 00:07:25,112 --> 00:07:27,131 who was up on Spy Rock. 85 00:07:27,155 --> 00:07:28,824 A legendary guy. 86 00:07:29,241 --> 00:07:31,493 - Interesting. - Yeah. 87 00:07:32,286 --> 00:07:37,016 Had all his family riding around in off-road vehicles 88 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:40,586 with, you know, had football fields of pot. 89 00:07:40,961 --> 00:07:44,548 He was the legendary big man on the mountain. 90 00:07:44,923 --> 00:07:47,318 So there was a common terminology, 91 00:07:47,342 --> 00:07:50,429 anything that went awry, "Bigfoot did it." 92 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:55,201 I'm realizing that 93 00:07:55,225 --> 00:07:58,079 if was involved in the triple homicide 94 00:07:58,103 --> 00:08:00,606 up on Spy Rock in the fall of 1993, 95 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,710 one possibility is that 96 00:08:03,734 --> 00:08:07,213 he was following orders or acting on behest 97 00:08:07,237 --> 00:08:10,049 of somebody or maybe just trying to curry favor 98 00:08:10,073 --> 00:08:12,284 with someone much higher up the food chain. 99 00:08:16,496 --> 00:08:19,225 By reputation, would Bigfoot have been the kind of guy 100 00:08:19,249 --> 00:08:22,479 that would get somebody else to do a killing for him? 101 00:08:22,503 --> 00:08:24,189 I... Once again, I don't know, 102 00:08:24,213 --> 00:08:28,193 but that's not at all what I got from the people there was, 103 00:08:28,217 --> 00:08:29,652 it was totally copacetic, 104 00:08:29,676 --> 00:08:32,638 but it was like, don't come up here and mess with us. 105 00:08:37,059 --> 00:08:40,103 I was thinking back to that night in the cabin in 1993, 106 00:08:41,271 --> 00:08:42,481 and did I hear them say 107 00:08:43,732 --> 00:08:45,752 "a" Bigfoot killed those guys, 108 00:08:45,776 --> 00:08:48,278 or did I hear them say Bigfoot killed those guys? 109 00:08:49,655 --> 00:08:51,925 Because memory's tricky like that 110 00:08:51,949 --> 00:08:54,243 and I-I-I. 111 00:08:55,244 --> 00:08:56,245 I don't know. 112 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,432 Could they have said, "I'm telling you, Bigfoot killed those guys"? 113 00:08:59,456 --> 00:09:00,457 Yeah, maybe. 114 00:09:01,083 --> 00:09:02,083 Maybe. 115 00:09:07,631 --> 00:09:09,842 So, have you ever heard of an old-time grower 116 00:09:10,634 --> 00:09:13,446 who also had property on Spy Rock in the early 1990s 117 00:09:13,470 --> 00:09:15,973 who goes by the nickname Bigfoot? 118 00:09:16,974 --> 00:09:18,952 When I lay this story on this cop 119 00:09:18,976 --> 00:09:21,311 about an old-time grower on Spy Rock 120 00:09:21,812 --> 00:09:23,981 known or nicknamed as Bigfoot, 121 00:09:24,565 --> 00:09:27,484 without missing a beat he's like, "That sounds like Bigfoot Gary." 122 00:09:33,532 --> 00:09:34,658 Um... 123 00:10:45,479 --> 00:10:48,315 Right now, there are snitches 124 00:10:49,149 --> 00:10:51,044 in and around Laytonville, California, 125 00:10:51,068 --> 00:10:53,379 who are asking around on my behalf 126 00:10:53,403 --> 00:10:55,948 about, about Bigfoot Gary, 127 00:10:56,657 --> 00:11:00,077 about Hells Angels, about murders. 128 00:11:02,204 --> 00:11:04,498 One thing that would make me feel a lot better 129 00:11:05,165 --> 00:11:07,268 is if I were able to find somebody 130 00:11:07,292 --> 00:11:09,670 that put and Bigfoot Gary together. 131 00:11:10,963 --> 00:11:13,608 If I find somebody, whether cop or crook, 132 00:11:13,632 --> 00:11:16,569 that says, "Hey, yeah, when was a young guy in the early '90s. 133 00:11:16,593 --> 00:11:17,821 He worked for Bigfoot Gary." 134 00:11:17,845 --> 00:11:19,137 Fuck, man, that would be huge. 135 00:11:22,015 --> 00:11:24,369 One other thing I would really like to know is 136 00:11:24,393 --> 00:11:26,663 why they pulled in 137 00:11:26,687 --> 00:11:28,122 and searched his property 138 00:11:28,146 --> 00:11:30,500 in relation to the 2013 murder 139 00:11:30,524 --> 00:11:31,733 of Hugo Olea-Lopez. 140 00:11:32,609 --> 00:11:35,046 Okay? Why did they key in on him? 141 00:11:35,070 --> 00:11:37,430 Did they actually think that he had anything to do with it? 142 00:11:37,531 --> 00:11:38,699 I'd really like to know that. 143 00:11:49,668 --> 00:11:52,564 There is some parallels between his murder 144 00:11:52,588 --> 00:11:54,691 and the original case in 1993, 145 00:11:54,715 --> 00:11:56,842 in that he was a Mexican national 146 00:11:57,551 --> 00:11:58,736 on Spy Rock Road. 147 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:00,530 And in both cases, 148 00:12:00,554 --> 00:12:03,908 you know, there were harvested plants cut down but not stolen. 149 00:12:03,932 --> 00:12:05,642 So it didn't look like a rip-off. 150 00:12:07,519 --> 00:12:11,875 Granted there's no indication that a Sasquatch did it 151 00:12:11,899 --> 00:12:14,943 but you strip that away, and there's a lot of similarities. 152 00:13:28,684 --> 00:13:30,018 Okay. 153 00:13:41,029 --> 00:13:41,841 David? 154 00:13:41,865 --> 00:13:43,174 - Hey, how are you? - Good. Thanks. 155 00:13:43,198 --> 00:13:44,093 - Nice to see you. - Likewise. 156 00:13:44,117 --> 00:13:46,326 - Come on in. - Welcome to. 157 00:13:51,790 --> 00:13:52,833 Okay. Thanks. 158 00:13:54,793 --> 00:13:58,022 I came in in the fall of '13 159 00:13:58,046 --> 00:14:01,151 after this case had kind of slowed down 160 00:14:01,175 --> 00:14:04,136 and the next group of cases came in, as they always do. 161 00:14:04,761 --> 00:14:07,240 I've been in communication with the family 162 00:14:07,264 --> 00:14:09,367 I began to get in communication in '14 163 00:14:09,391 --> 00:14:11,035 when I started to follow up on the case. 164 00:14:11,059 --> 00:14:12,954 I was the only Spanish-speaking detective at the time, 165 00:14:12,978 --> 00:14:15,856 so when she would call, I'd be the one that would talk to her. 166 00:14:16,315 --> 00:14:18,418 Um... and that's his wife. 167 00:14:18,442 --> 00:14:22,112 And, you know, we've talked a bunch, and she had some information she provided. 168 00:14:23,113 --> 00:14:26,634 There's obviously some suspicions of, of close contacts with him, 169 00:14:26,658 --> 00:14:29,053 but there was never any, any ability 170 00:14:29,077 --> 00:14:31,205 to tie anybody down to anything. 171 00:14:39,463 --> 00:14:41,357 I think so. I think that's how it played out. 172 00:14:41,381 --> 00:14:43,693 There was no discovery of his, death. 173 00:14:43,717 --> 00:14:46,279 There was, "This is where he's at, and he's dead." 174 00:14:46,303 --> 00:14:48,597 And then they go up and they discovered him in a tent. 175 00:14:55,646 --> 00:14:57,207 If you know Spy Rock, I mean, you're so far out there, 176 00:14:57,231 --> 00:14:58,167 you gotta know where you're going. 177 00:14:58,191 --> 00:15:00,126 We don't randomly fall on a tent. 178 00:15:00,150 --> 00:15:02,337 So whatever it was, it was a target, 179 00:15:02,361 --> 00:15:04,214 because it wasn't like that was the only doper around. 180 00:15:04,238 --> 00:15:06,633 There were other ones in the area. 181 00:15:06,657 --> 00:15:09,243 - He was targeted. - It had to have been. 182 00:15:14,790 --> 00:15:15,916 Um... 183 00:15:16,875 --> 00:15:18,728 How hard is it for you to investigate a homicide 184 00:15:18,752 --> 00:15:22,857 when the victim is from... is an undocumented, you know, worker... 185 00:15:22,881 --> 00:15:24,174 It's difficult. 186 00:15:24,716 --> 00:15:28,154 With the growers' cases where you have Hispanic workers, 187 00:15:28,178 --> 00:15:29,948 it's extremely difficult. 188 00:15:29,972 --> 00:15:32,283 We thought there are more bodies than we could even count right now 189 00:15:32,307 --> 00:15:33,475 up in the hills. 190 00:15:34,852 --> 00:15:36,496 Lot of unreported murders? 191 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:37,688 I'm sure there are. 192 00:15:38,313 --> 00:15:40,858 And a lot of unsolveds. It's pretty bad. 193 00:15:41,441 --> 00:15:43,253 And it's not because we're not trying. It's because we don't have 194 00:15:43,277 --> 00:15:45,988 that cooperation from the community, a lot of them. 195 00:15:46,989 --> 00:15:48,716 Especially with marijuana growers, you know, 196 00:15:48,740 --> 00:15:50,340 who's going to be willing to talk to us. 197 00:15:51,827 --> 00:15:53,721 How are the Mexican immigrants 198 00:15:53,745 --> 00:15:55,765 perceived in Mendocino? 199 00:15:55,789 --> 00:15:58,184 What's like the level of just out-and-out racism 200 00:15:58,208 --> 00:15:59,793 in Mendocino County? 201 00:16:01,044 --> 00:16:03,022 There's a voice that's being put out there right now 202 00:16:03,046 --> 00:16:05,206 all Hispanics are dope growers, well, that's not true. 203 00:16:07,634 --> 00:16:10,637 My dad came here back in the late '60s. 204 00:16:11,263 --> 00:16:13,992 Where I grew up, my family and a couple others, 205 00:16:14,016 --> 00:16:16,016 we were some of the first Hispanics in the Valley. 206 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:18,478 There was definitely racism then. 207 00:16:20,105 --> 00:16:21,374 And I don't know who you talked to. 208 00:16:21,398 --> 00:16:24,002 I can imagine that the Hispanic growers may not be 209 00:16:24,026 --> 00:16:28,113 as open and forthcoming to you as the old white hippie dope growers. 210 00:16:28,530 --> 00:16:30,967 You know? They don't talk to me and I'm Hispanic. 211 00:16:30,991 --> 00:16:32,677 I've got another Hispanic deputy. 212 00:16:32,701 --> 00:16:33,701 We try our best, 213 00:16:34,411 --> 00:16:37,682 but there's that fear of being in the black market 214 00:16:37,706 --> 00:16:39,893 and not wanting to get in trouble for what they are doing. 215 00:16:39,917 --> 00:16:40,959 Right. 216 00:16:42,044 --> 00:16:44,272 Hugo's murder's going to be a tough case to solve 217 00:16:44,296 --> 00:16:47,007 because of what he was involved in, because of where it happened. 218 00:16:47,591 --> 00:16:50,945 I have no doubt that there are a number of people 219 00:16:50,969 --> 00:16:52,947 who live and grow dope on Spy Rock Road 220 00:16:52,971 --> 00:16:56,433 that know exactly... who killed Hugo and why. 221 00:16:57,351 --> 00:17:00,830 Um, I am of equally little doubt 222 00:17:00,854 --> 00:17:03,774 that none of those people would ever give it up to law enforcement. 223 00:17:08,654 --> 00:17:10,256 Unfortunately, in our county 224 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,741 the last time I looked, there were at least six, 225 00:17:13,784 --> 00:17:16,495 not only unsolved homicides, 226 00:17:16,912 --> 00:17:20,475 homicides where we don't know who the victim was, 227 00:17:20,499 --> 00:17:24,294 because there's no fingerprints on file with the Department of Justice. 228 00:17:24,962 --> 00:17:27,798 In America, they've never been reported missing. 229 00:17:28,215 --> 00:17:30,652 We've collected the DNA on these people, 230 00:17:30,676 --> 00:17:32,737 but DNA only works 231 00:17:32,761 --> 00:17:34,638 if you have something to compare it to. 232 00:17:35,806 --> 00:17:38,201 I have walked into marijuana gardens 233 00:17:38,225 --> 00:17:40,787 where there's a dead Hispanic on the ground 234 00:17:40,811 --> 00:17:42,705 with no identification, 235 00:17:42,729 --> 00:17:43,981 no tattoos, 236 00:17:44,773 --> 00:17:48,777 and nobody in the area knows who he is or how he got there. 237 00:17:51,446 --> 00:17:53,699 We have a guaranteed anonymous tip line, 238 00:17:58,328 --> 00:17:59,955 that we would welcome information on. 239 00:18:00,956 --> 00:18:03,000 Because solving a homicide is important. 240 00:18:03,542 --> 00:18:05,961 For the family, for law enforcement, 241 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:08,672 and for the victim. 242 00:18:20,142 --> 00:18:21,351 - Okay? - Okay. 243 00:18:26,982 --> 00:18:30,611 This Mendocino County Sheriff's Office investigator 244 00:18:31,778 --> 00:18:35,216 put me in touch with longtime resident of Laytonville, 245 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,368 longtime small-time grower on Spy Rock. 246 00:18:39,161 --> 00:18:42,932 As I got within about 10 feet of the pickup, I could smell... meth. 247 00:18:42,956 --> 00:18:45,018 Meth has a very distinctive 248 00:18:45,042 --> 00:18:48,128 sickly sweet, sort of burning plastic smell to it. 249 00:18:49,463 --> 00:18:51,107 Offered to buy her a drink at Boomer's. 250 00:18:51,131 --> 00:18:54,134 She said no, she didn't want a drink, then she offered me a hit of meth. 251 00:18:54,593 --> 00:18:56,696 So I said, no, thanks. 252 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,723 And then she said that she wanted to get in, get in my car and talk. 253 00:19:02,601 --> 00:19:07,105 Well, I keep coming across the name of a guy nicknamed Bigfoot. 254 00:19:17,574 --> 00:19:19,660 Why is he nicknamed Bigfoot, do you know? 255 00:19:26,917 --> 00:19:28,770 He, um... Do you... Have you... 256 00:19:28,794 --> 00:19:31,356 There was a guy by the name of Hugo Olea-Lopez 257 00:19:31,380 --> 00:19:35,467 that was killed on Spy Rock, in 2013. 258 00:19:36,134 --> 00:19:39,948 Um... he was a Mexican guy that was shotgunned. 259 00:19:39,972 --> 00:19:42,474 He was, like, guarding a farm up there. 260 00:19:44,017 --> 00:19:45,829 I don't know. I don't know. 261 00:19:45,853 --> 00:19:47,563 Trying to find out more about that 262 00:19:48,230 --> 00:19:51,191 and, the connection 263 00:19:51,984 --> 00:19:57,382 between that case and, um, a triple murder 264 00:19:57,406 --> 00:19:59,759 that I've heard about 265 00:19:59,783 --> 00:20:01,743 that happened in 1993 in Spy Rock 266 00:20:02,953 --> 00:20:03,953 near Iron Mountain. 267 00:21:05,682 --> 00:21:07,602 I think that's why he wanted us to talk, yeah. 268 00:21:31,250 --> 00:21:33,050 And that was one of the guys that got killed? 269 00:21:49,393 --> 00:21:51,645 It's about, three a. M., 270 00:21:52,437 --> 00:21:55,500 about 10 hours after I met with in a parking lot at Boomer's, 271 00:21:55,524 --> 00:21:58,086 and, maybe a contact high, 272 00:21:58,110 --> 00:22:00,696 like a tweaker contact high, because I can't sleep. 273 00:22:01,196 --> 00:22:04,133 Sorta tossing and turning, my mind's spinning in circles, 274 00:22:04,157 --> 00:22:07,244 going over what she, laid on me in the car 275 00:22:07,703 --> 00:22:09,764 and looking over the notes I scrawled down 276 00:22:09,788 --> 00:22:11,957 as soon as she and I parted ways. 277 00:22:13,208 --> 00:22:15,728 Could this be the one? Could we be talking about the same murder? 278 00:22:15,752 --> 00:22:18,106 I mean, obviously, Spy Rock Road, 279 00:22:18,130 --> 00:22:20,942 1993, is a very violent place, okay. 280 00:22:20,966 --> 00:22:25,012 There's probably multiple homicides that have gone unsolved. 281 00:22:26,054 --> 00:22:27,949 The biggest discrepancy of course being that 282 00:22:27,973 --> 00:22:29,701 she said that it was two men that were killed 283 00:22:29,725 --> 00:22:31,018 rather than three. 284 00:22:31,518 --> 00:22:32,728 But the location's right. 285 00:22:34,938 --> 00:22:37,500 The one other detail that she seemed certain on 286 00:22:37,524 --> 00:22:40,777 was that the name of one of the men that was killed was Martinez. 287 00:22:42,112 --> 00:22:44,340 I don't know. I mean, I guess the next step is 288 00:22:44,364 --> 00:22:46,116 to really pin her down on the date. 289 00:23:04,384 --> 00:23:05,862 You want to tell me about the, 290 00:23:05,886 --> 00:23:09,115 crime that your son witnessed in the 1990s? 291 00:23:09,139 --> 00:23:11,808 Are you sure that he told you it was two guys? 292 00:23:18,106 --> 00:23:20,567 Do you remember what year that was? 293 00:23:22,819 --> 00:23:24,112 '96? You sure? 294 00:23:34,414 --> 00:23:35,499 Fuck, man. 295 00:23:36,375 --> 00:23:38,853 You know? Once I started probing further, 296 00:23:38,877 --> 00:23:41,463 it turned out that it was off by a couple years. 297 00:23:42,923 --> 00:23:45,968 So different multiple homicide on Spy Rock Road. 298 00:23:47,094 --> 00:23:50,013 Unsolved, unreported bodies buried in the woods. 299 00:23:53,392 --> 00:23:55,894 Why are there so many missing people in Mendocino County? 300 00:24:34,558 --> 00:24:38,520 This place is fucked up beyond belief. 301 00:24:41,273 --> 00:24:44,502 People pass through here, and they just see how beautiful it is 302 00:24:44,526 --> 00:24:46,111 in terms of the natural environment. 303 00:24:48,405 --> 00:24:50,657 They have no idea of the shit that goes on in this area. 304 00:24:54,745 --> 00:24:57,891 The rate of missing persons cases in Mendocino County 305 00:24:57,915 --> 00:25:01,144 and all throughout the Emerald Triangle is per capita the highest 306 00:25:01,168 --> 00:25:03,170 in the United States by far. 307 00:25:07,341 --> 00:25:11,345 You hang out in these dope towns, and all around you are signs 308 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,239 about missing people. 309 00:25:13,263 --> 00:25:16,534 Billboards and fliers in coffee shops 310 00:25:16,558 --> 00:25:18,560 and grocery stores and bars. 311 00:25:19,603 --> 00:25:21,813 I mean, just dozens, hundreds of them. 312 00:25:25,234 --> 00:25:29,422 And all those missing persons fliers are literally signs 313 00:25:29,446 --> 00:25:31,281 that there are monsters among us. 314 00:25:40,749 --> 00:25:43,102 Look, I learned when I was still a little boy that monsters are real 315 00:25:43,126 --> 00:25:44,854 and they will hurt you, okay. 316 00:25:44,878 --> 00:25:47,649 But real-life monsters aren't huge and hairy with fangs. 317 00:25:47,673 --> 00:25:50,318 They're smiling and friendly, until they're not. 318 00:25:50,342 --> 00:25:52,487 So I'm attuned to monsters. 319 00:25:52,511 --> 00:25:55,031 And the more time I spend in the Emerald Triangle, 320 00:25:55,055 --> 00:25:58,326 the more I sense a lot of them up here, hurting a lot of people. 321 00:25:58,350 --> 00:26:00,203 I mean, you go asking around 322 00:26:00,227 --> 00:26:03,164 about three dead men, and the question you get back the most is, 323 00:26:03,188 --> 00:26:04,565 "Which three dead men?" 324 00:26:12,155 --> 00:26:14,968 Over time, the big cry was, 325 00:26:14,992 --> 00:26:18,263 we want to stop the violence in cannabis 326 00:26:18,287 --> 00:26:19,788 by legalizing it. 327 00:26:21,039 --> 00:26:24,102 In truth, since legalization, 328 00:26:24,126 --> 00:26:27,772 the violence has escalated hundreds of folds, 329 00:26:27,796 --> 00:26:29,089 not a little bit. 330 00:26:30,883 --> 00:26:33,695 The laws and the way they've carried them out 331 00:26:33,719 --> 00:26:35,596 have been so draconian. 332 00:26:36,138 --> 00:26:37,615 The black market 333 00:26:37,639 --> 00:26:40,994 is five times bigger than it was a couple years ago, 334 00:26:41,018 --> 00:26:43,228 and the white market's a mess. 335 00:26:47,149 --> 00:26:49,502 When you take the lifestyle away 336 00:26:49,526 --> 00:26:53,006 and you crush all the little people for corporate, 337 00:26:53,030 --> 00:26:56,992 it becomes something different, and it has that curse on it. 338 00:26:58,243 --> 00:27:02,039 And so all of this has created feuds and violence. 339 00:27:19,765 --> 00:27:22,518 You guys know a guy named Bigfoot Gary who lives around here? 340 00:27:23,101 --> 00:27:24,937 No? All right. 341 00:27:37,199 --> 00:27:41,036 Now I've kinda got a target lock on Bigfoot Gary. 342 00:27:42,871 --> 00:27:46,184 I really want a meeting and to, like, look in his eyes 343 00:27:46,208 --> 00:27:49,813 and put this story to him, because I feel like I'd know. 344 00:27:49,837 --> 00:27:52,172 I'd know whether or not 345 00:27:52,923 --> 00:27:54,174 he was involved. 346 00:28:54,484 --> 00:28:55,484 Okay. 347 00:28:57,029 --> 00:28:58,322 How's it going? 348 00:29:02,367 --> 00:29:03,720 Okay, cool. 349 00:29:03,744 --> 00:29:04,744 Bandana works. 350 00:29:07,414 --> 00:29:09,541 You're not a snitch, you're a source. 351 00:29:21,887 --> 00:29:24,264 Um, when did you first meet Bigfoot Gary? 352 00:29:29,019 --> 00:29:31,980 How many, how many seasons did you work for Gary? 353 00:29:36,443 --> 00:29:38,779 What was he like to work for? What kind of a boss was he? 354 00:30:00,092 --> 00:30:02,803 - All right, let's start over. - Play a little different tack. 355 00:30:03,303 --> 00:30:06,723 Wher... How, how high up the, the food chain is he? 356 00:30:07,891 --> 00:30:10,060 Like, where does he fit in around here? 357 00:30:15,941 --> 00:30:19,027 You think Gary is capable of killing somebody or having them killed? 358 00:30:30,247 --> 00:30:32,207 Which circumstances? 359 00:30:46,180 --> 00:30:47,764 Take me through what you've heard. 360 00:31:11,371 --> 00:31:13,683 They're probably still on the hill, 361 00:31:13,707 --> 00:31:15,125 meaning their bodies. 362 00:31:30,933 --> 00:31:32,535 If he had those three guys killed 363 00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:34,061 because they raped his daughter, 364 00:31:34,561 --> 00:31:36,313 fucking good for him, you know. 365 00:31:36,772 --> 00:31:39,417 As far as I'm concerned, every rapist in the world 366 00:31:39,441 --> 00:31:42,528 deserves to die screaming and alone in pain in the woods. 367 00:31:43,070 --> 00:31:45,364 So, good on Bigfoot Gary if that's what he did. 368 00:31:46,740 --> 00:31:49,618 If he killed these three guys because he's a racist fuck, 369 00:31:50,202 --> 00:31:52,829 you know, then he deserves more than he's gonna get. 370 00:31:55,123 --> 00:31:57,477 'Cause that means he knew a lot of white people up here would buy 371 00:31:57,501 --> 00:32:00,504 into the bullshit stereotype of Mexicans being rapists. 372 00:32:02,339 --> 00:32:03,882 And he'd get away with murder. 373 00:32:07,177 --> 00:32:09,680 I really want to, meet him 374 00:32:10,514 --> 00:32:13,225 and get a gauge of what kind of monster he is. 375 00:32:30,367 --> 00:32:32,637 Okay, so I just came down off the mountain, 376 00:32:32,661 --> 00:32:34,222 and I didn't have any cell service. 377 00:32:34,246 --> 00:32:35,932 So, as soon as I got back on the grid, 378 00:32:35,956 --> 00:32:38,393 I had two text messages pop up, bang bang. 379 00:32:38,417 --> 00:32:41,211 Both of them sent in the last couple hours 380 00:32:41,628 --> 00:32:43,523 from one of Bigfoot Gary's neighbors 381 00:32:43,547 --> 00:32:46,717 who is relaying a message to me from Bigfoot Gary's wife. 382 00:33:01,940 --> 00:33:02,983 Okay. 383 00:33:08,363 --> 00:33:09,363 This is David. 384 00:33:12,075 --> 00:33:13,075 Yeah. 385 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:16,288 Hi, Carolyn. 386 00:33:24,046 --> 00:33:25,732 Okay, he didn't... He was... 387 00:33:25,756 --> 00:33:29,218 He didn't have any business in Spy Rock or Mendocino in the early '90s? 388 00:33:30,427 --> 00:33:34,056 He wasn't growing dope in Mendocino in the 1990s? 389 00:33:37,392 --> 00:33:41,063 Any idea why people would be telling me this shit? 390 00:33:47,361 --> 00:33:48,361 Okay. 391 00:34:05,462 --> 00:34:09,692 Could you ask Gary if he's, if he's had a business partner 392 00:34:09,716 --> 00:34:11,718 or he knows anybody named. 393 00:34:13,095 --> 00:34:14,137 I'm... 394 00:34:18,100 --> 00:34:20,578 Listen, is, is Gary sitting next to you? 395 00:34:20,602 --> 00:34:23,397 Could I talk to him or are you the intermediary here? 396 00:34:32,573 --> 00:34:33,573 Hey, Gary. 397 00:35:21,163 --> 00:35:24,184 I'm looking specifically at the fall of 1993, 398 00:35:24,208 --> 00:35:26,126 harvest season 1993. 399 00:35:44,228 --> 00:35:46,831 All right, a version of the story I heard was that, 400 00:35:46,855 --> 00:35:50,585 the guy on Spy Rock named, nicknamed Bigfoot 401 00:35:50,609 --> 00:35:52,295 had kill these guys 402 00:35:52,319 --> 00:35:55,739 because these guys had sexually assaulted Bigfoot's daughter. 403 00:35:57,449 --> 00:35:58,449 No? 404 00:36:02,204 --> 00:36:05,832 You didn't have a... You did not have a daughter in 1993, Gary? 405 00:36:08,502 --> 00:36:10,754 And you didn't kill anybody in 1993? 406 00:36:11,505 --> 00:36:13,149 Three, three guys from Mexico. 407 00:36:13,173 --> 00:36:15,092 And you didn't kill anybody in 1993? 408 00:36:36,822 --> 00:36:38,716 The rumor mill on the mountain 409 00:36:38,740 --> 00:36:42,220 is that Bigfoot Gary arranged to have murdered 410 00:36:42,244 --> 00:36:44,454 three guys who'd raped his daughter. 411 00:36:46,957 --> 00:36:48,309 The problem with that is that. 412 00:36:48,333 --> 00:36:50,645 Bigfoot Gary didn't have a daughter in 1993. 413 00:36:50,669 --> 00:36:52,754 He's telling the truth about that. I checked. 414 00:36:53,297 --> 00:36:54,440 Okay? 415 00:36:54,464 --> 00:36:58,510 So there's a disconnect between the word on the mountain and reality. 416 00:36:58,969 --> 00:37:00,679 And within that disconnect 417 00:37:01,138 --> 00:37:03,140 is reasonable doubt and then some. 418 00:37:05,058 --> 00:37:08,037 So, you hold my feet to the fire, I'm gonna say, 419 00:37:08,061 --> 00:37:09,956 he's not our guy. 420 00:37:09,980 --> 00:37:11,106 Bigfoot didn't do it. 421 00:37:29,208 --> 00:37:31,811 There is this elusive truth 422 00:37:31,835 --> 00:37:34,963 that I glimpsed, you know, through the trees. 423 00:37:36,340 --> 00:37:39,027 And it's like the same obsession 424 00:37:39,051 --> 00:37:41,404 that drives Squatchers 425 00:37:41,428 --> 00:37:43,347 to spend half their lives in the woods. 426 00:37:44,306 --> 00:37:46,451 They do it because they're obsessed. 427 00:37:46,475 --> 00:37:49,078 They're convinced that they're always just 428 00:37:49,102 --> 00:37:51,080 one step away 429 00:37:51,104 --> 00:37:53,357 from getting the proof they need. Right? 430 00:37:54,316 --> 00:37:56,068 Am I just doing the same shit? 431 00:37:56,568 --> 00:37:58,213 Am I just, like, out there running around the woods, 432 00:37:58,237 --> 00:38:00,131 like, convinced that I'm just one move away 433 00:38:00,155 --> 00:38:01,758 from, like, really cracking this case 434 00:38:01,782 --> 00:38:05,244 and being able to explain exactly what happened in 1993? 435 00:38:12,918 --> 00:38:14,229 Finding Bigfoot 436 00:38:14,253 --> 00:38:17,339 would probably fill a hole in my life. 437 00:38:19,341 --> 00:38:22,904 My wish is for the world to finally have proof 438 00:38:22,928 --> 00:38:25,222 that this creature actually exists. 439 00:38:26,515 --> 00:38:28,433 I would give anything to see one. 440 00:38:30,727 --> 00:38:33,206 As scary as some of these stories are 441 00:38:33,230 --> 00:38:35,875 and how fearful we are 442 00:38:35,899 --> 00:38:38,485 of that, you know, "monster in the closet," 443 00:38:38,944 --> 00:38:40,529 we still want to figure it out. 444 00:38:41,947 --> 00:38:45,158 To have that, "See, I told you I'm not crazy." 445 00:38:45,951 --> 00:38:47,786 "I told you when I was 10" 446 00:38:48,579 --> 00:38:50,223 "what I saw out the window." 447 00:38:50,247 --> 00:38:51,498 "You know, those eyes." 448 00:38:54,459 --> 00:38:55,627 "And this is why. 449 00:38:56,670 --> 00:38:57,670 It's right there." 450 00:39:03,260 --> 00:39:06,447 The story of Sasquatch or of man-like monsters 451 00:39:06,471 --> 00:39:08,557 has been with us from the very beginning. 452 00:39:09,308 --> 00:39:12,412 Some of the earliest literary traditions in the west 453 00:39:12,436 --> 00:39:14,354 and, well, in the east for that matter, 454 00:39:14,980 --> 00:39:18,692 have included this wild-man figure. 455 00:39:20,485 --> 00:39:23,882 A representation of perhaps our alter ego, 456 00:39:23,906 --> 00:39:26,950 our lost connection to wild places. 457 00:39:31,955 --> 00:39:34,309 I think it's fair to say that these stories 458 00:39:34,333 --> 00:39:36,936 or mythologies about wild men 459 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,605 are really more about humans? 460 00:39:38,629 --> 00:39:39,898 Yeah, it's always about humans. 461 00:39:39,922 --> 00:39:41,649 It's never not about humans. 462 00:39:41,673 --> 00:39:44,343 It's not about the giant beast. 463 00:39:47,054 --> 00:39:50,158 And it gets back to this notion 464 00:39:50,182 --> 00:39:52,243 of things that are out of control, 465 00:39:52,267 --> 00:39:54,061 things that we can't control. 466 00:39:55,729 --> 00:39:57,957 Wild people are beyond our control. 467 00:39:57,981 --> 00:40:00,084 They live out in the woods. 468 00:40:00,108 --> 00:40:03,338 They live very different lifestyles from us. 469 00:40:03,362 --> 00:40:06,198 If you get too close to them, they might injure you. 470 00:40:07,616 --> 00:40:10,178 There are people who behave outside 471 00:40:10,202 --> 00:40:13,431 of what the mainstream considers normal behavior. 472 00:40:13,455 --> 00:40:15,457 And that's where the wild man comes from. 473 00:40:26,510 --> 00:40:29,489 With these kinds of investigations, you get a lead, right? 474 00:40:29,513 --> 00:40:31,991 Or you see a path that you want to follow. 475 00:40:32,015 --> 00:40:35,435 And then you start following that path away from square one. Okay? 476 00:40:41,650 --> 00:40:45,988 And then you wind up, like, pretty far deep into the labyrinth, 477 00:40:46,989 --> 00:40:50,367 and sometimes that path dead-ends. 478 00:40:51,201 --> 00:40:53,930 And when that happens, that's when you need to go back to the beginning. 479 00:40:53,954 --> 00:40:56,594 You need to go back to square one and be like, what have I missed? 480 00:41:07,259 --> 00:41:10,238 I've gotten the name of two people that I think have the number 481 00:41:10,262 --> 00:41:12,657 of the guy that owned the farm in '93, 482 00:41:12,681 --> 00:41:16,578 and I've been jamming them to pass on a message to him 483 00:41:16,602 --> 00:41:17,762 for the better part of a year 484 00:41:18,395 --> 00:41:19,980 that I'd like to talk to him. 485 00:41:22,191 --> 00:41:23,710 Finally, word comes back, like, "What about?" 486 00:41:23,734 --> 00:41:26,087 I was like, "About a Bigfoot story that I heard" 487 00:41:26,111 --> 00:41:29,364 "at his A-frame cabin in the fall of '93." 488 00:41:30,157 --> 00:41:32,317 Word comes back, "Yeah, he'll talk to you about that." 489 00:41:38,749 --> 00:41:39,833 Hello, this is David. 490 00:41:43,629 --> 00:41:44,629 Okay. 491 00:41:46,131 --> 00:41:48,610 Don't fucking put in the movie, whoever is editing this. 492 00:41:48,634 --> 00:41:50,069 I'm serious, this is gonna fucking... 493 00:41:50,093 --> 00:41:52,739 Any... Okay, if I'm scared about it, trust me. 494 00:41:52,763 --> 00:41:55,933 I've a reason to be. I get a bad vibe from that guy. 495 00:41:56,892 --> 00:41:59,662 Of all the people, honestly, 496 00:41:59,686 --> 00:42:02,040 tha-that we've been deal... That I've been dealing with, 497 00:42:02,064 --> 00:42:04,525 he's the one that has me the most concerned. 498 00:42:05,526 --> 00:42:08,421 I remember two tweakers that stopped by the cabin. 499 00:42:08,445 --> 00:42:08,923 Yeah. 500 00:42:08,947 --> 00:42:11,216 They were freaked out. They said they'd seen some bodies. 501 00:42:11,240 --> 00:42:13,367 They said that they'd seen Bigfoot tracks. 502 00:42:28,131 --> 00:42:29,466 It's true. 503 00:42:30,425 --> 00:42:32,153 What he tells me is that 504 00:42:32,177 --> 00:42:34,179 those three guys needed to go. 505 00:42:45,023 --> 00:42:46,066 Okay. 506 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,488 He proceeds to tell me 507 00:43:15,512 --> 00:43:19,159 that Mexican workers would get jobs on farms, 508 00:43:19,183 --> 00:43:21,202 but really it was kinda part of a campaign 509 00:43:21,226 --> 00:43:24,914 to... you know, not take over, but to move in on the territory. 510 00:43:24,938 --> 00:43:26,749 So what they were doing is, for example, 511 00:43:26,773 --> 00:43:28,418 they would... a bunch of them would get jobs, 512 00:43:28,442 --> 00:43:31,212 would hire on with, like, an elderly farmer 513 00:43:31,236 --> 00:43:33,464 and just essentially just take over his operation. 514 00:43:33,488 --> 00:43:36,158 Just be like, "This is ours now. What are you gonna do about it?" 515 00:43:38,493 --> 00:43:40,579 Somebody at this meeting made the comment of, like, 516 00:43:40,913 --> 00:43:42,974 "Fuck, I wish we had, like, Chupacabras around here 517 00:43:42,998 --> 00:43:44,666 which would scare these guys off." 518 00:43:48,045 --> 00:43:49,856 And then immediately, someone was like, 519 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,007 "We got something better than Chupacabra." 520 00:43:54,635 --> 00:43:57,030 And so they started introducing 521 00:43:57,054 --> 00:43:59,991 into this rumor-based information ecosystem 522 00:44:00,015 --> 00:44:01,391 of the Emerald Triangle 523 00:44:01,850 --> 00:44:06,539 stories about... ferocious Sasquatches 524 00:44:06,563 --> 00:44:08,982 terrorizing farmers. 525 00:44:12,027 --> 00:44:14,172 And so those were the stories 526 00:44:14,196 --> 00:44:17,133 that I was hearing secondhand from all these farmworkers, 527 00:44:17,157 --> 00:44:20,220 and I and everybody else that was in that scene 528 00:44:20,244 --> 00:44:21,662 at the time. 529 00:44:22,871 --> 00:44:24,998 And so that's another piece that falls into place. 530 00:44:25,624 --> 00:44:27,292 Things make a little bit more sense now. 531 00:44:47,938 --> 00:44:49,165 I'm like, okay, 532 00:44:49,189 --> 00:44:52,276 how do you make it look like a Sasquatch murdered three guys? 533 00:44:52,609 --> 00:44:55,779 He's like, bolt cutters, pickaxes, 534 00:44:56,572 --> 00:44:58,282 you know, and forklifts. 535 00:44:59,741 --> 00:45:02,220 Meaning chop 'em up, run 'em over, 536 00:45:02,244 --> 00:45:03,579 bash 'em in. 537 00:45:05,289 --> 00:45:07,082 Were you involved in that decision? 538 00:45:12,004 --> 00:45:13,148 Let me just ask you straight out. 539 00:45:13,172 --> 00:45:14,983 Just for, like, kind of for the record, okay. 540 00:45:15,007 --> 00:45:17,318 Three men actually died in October 1993. 541 00:45:17,342 --> 00:45:20,113 Is that what you're saying, okay, that the bodies that those guys 542 00:45:20,137 --> 00:45:22,157 who came to your cabin said they saw that night, 543 00:45:22,181 --> 00:45:23,515 those were actual dead bodies? 544 00:45:34,026 --> 00:45:36,754 They basically framed Sasquatch for the murder. 545 00:45:36,778 --> 00:45:40,324 These dope growers framed Sasquatch for a triple murder 546 00:45:40,782 --> 00:45:43,619 to terrorize guys from Mexico 547 00:45:44,119 --> 00:45:45,495 that were on their turf. 548 00:45:52,127 --> 00:45:54,355 He said that what they did is they arranged 549 00:45:54,379 --> 00:45:56,215 for chatterboxes, as he put it, 550 00:45:56,632 --> 00:45:57,859 to see the bodies 551 00:45:57,883 --> 00:45:59,944 and that that guy that had come to that cabin that night, 552 00:45:59,968 --> 00:46:03,448 the guy that was on crystal meth, he was one of the chatterboxes. 553 00:46:03,472 --> 00:46:06,892 All right? Because that's the way that the story would get spread. 554 00:46:07,601 --> 00:46:08,601 Okay? 555 00:46:09,478 --> 00:46:12,189 The other guy was in on it too, took him up there. 556 00:46:12,940 --> 00:46:15,359 "Holy shit! They're fucking dead. 557 00:46:16,193 --> 00:46:18,862 Look at their bodies. Look at these tracks." 558 00:46:19,571 --> 00:46:20,571 Okay? 559 00:46:21,114 --> 00:46:23,367 "Fucking Bigfoot killed these three guys, man." 560 00:46:30,165 --> 00:46:32,560 What are some of the motivations why people would make up 561 00:46:32,584 --> 00:46:34,103 a Sasquatch story? 562 00:46:34,127 --> 00:46:38,775 Well, the... and this may lead us back to Spy Rock. 563 00:46:38,799 --> 00:46:41,236 People want to scare other people away. 564 00:46:41,260 --> 00:46:46,282 I know in the Amazon that many times 565 00:46:46,306 --> 00:46:48,576 people come up with terrible stories 566 00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,704 of monsters and ghosts and stuff, 567 00:46:51,728 --> 00:46:53,414 and it's to scare people away. 568 00:46:53,438 --> 00:46:56,125 There's something of value, it's a good fishing ground, 569 00:46:56,149 --> 00:46:57,877 it's a good hunting ground. 570 00:46:57,901 --> 00:47:00,612 So they do that to keep the other people away. 571 00:47:06,034 --> 00:47:07,786 Myth is super-powerful. 572 00:47:09,997 --> 00:47:12,708 People are afraid of the unknown. 573 00:47:14,501 --> 00:47:17,629 It's an ancient story from the beginning of time. 574 00:47:18,213 --> 00:47:19,607 Look at the propaganda in this country. 575 00:47:19,631 --> 00:47:21,776 Look at the propaganda around the world. 576 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,279 I mean, we create stories. We identify the other, 577 00:47:24,303 --> 00:47:26,364 the immigrants, we demonize them 578 00:47:26,388 --> 00:47:28,158 so we can empower ourselves 579 00:47:28,182 --> 00:47:30,559 and maintain control over the culture. 580 00:47:35,439 --> 00:47:36,732 I could see that happening, 581 00:47:37,941 --> 00:47:42,172 just in how I knew people from that area to behave 582 00:47:42,196 --> 00:47:45,240 when they felt threatened by outsiders. 583 00:47:46,533 --> 00:47:48,553 But this was obviously like a killing 584 00:47:48,577 --> 00:47:52,098 where people witnessed the aftermath of it 585 00:47:52,122 --> 00:47:54,750 and were then told to go tell people about it. 586 00:47:55,459 --> 00:47:57,961 And that's why I heard about it. 587 00:47:59,254 --> 00:48:04,110 'Cause if it was just about killing these guys for what they had done, 588 00:48:04,134 --> 00:48:06,011 no one would have heard about it, right? 589 00:48:08,555 --> 00:48:10,533 Plenty of people have been killed up there 590 00:48:10,557 --> 00:48:14,645 and buried in a shallow grave on a mountaintop and never found. 591 00:48:17,940 --> 00:48:21,777 They really did these guys in to send a message. 592 00:48:26,865 --> 00:48:29,093 There's exploitive people out here 593 00:48:29,117 --> 00:48:32,287 and exploitive situations waiting to happen, you know. 594 00:48:34,706 --> 00:48:39,437 That darkness from the mining camps and from the first logging camps 595 00:48:39,461 --> 00:48:43,382 that, you know, took the land away from the indigenous people, 596 00:48:45,384 --> 00:48:47,821 that trauma never stopped, and it just snowballed 597 00:48:47,845 --> 00:48:50,973 into trauma for everybody that's come since then. 598 00:48:54,977 --> 00:48:56,913 It gets paved over and painted over 599 00:48:56,937 --> 00:49:00,399 and developed over constantly, 600 00:49:00,858 --> 00:49:04,254 but in the more rural areas, like out here, 601 00:49:04,278 --> 00:49:06,113 it's there, you can feel it, you know. 602 00:49:07,531 --> 00:49:10,534 I don't think you can stop it or erase it at this point. 603 00:49:25,757 --> 00:49:28,486 This started as 604 00:49:28,510 --> 00:49:32,347 a ghost story about three guys getting killed on a dope farm in 1993. 605 00:49:35,934 --> 00:49:38,729 I have moved with every step 606 00:49:39,855 --> 00:49:41,791 of this endeavor towards believing that 607 00:49:41,815 --> 00:49:43,734 these three murders actually occurred. 608 00:49:47,779 --> 00:49:50,699 This is, like, not an easily solvable case. 609 00:49:51,450 --> 00:49:54,995 I mean, there's no police report, there's no bodies. 610 00:49:57,539 --> 00:49:59,934 I think it's impossible that I would ever, 611 00:49:59,958 --> 00:50:02,228 with absolute certainty, 612 00:50:02,252 --> 00:50:05,380 feel like I knew exactly what had happened and why. 613 00:50:12,429 --> 00:50:15,432 At least I have a story that I tell myself that makes sense now. 614 00:50:20,312 --> 00:50:23,041 No, I don't fucking think Bigfoot did it. 615 00:50:23,065 --> 00:50:24,066 No. 616 00:50:24,900 --> 00:50:28,195 I don't believe in Bigfoot, but I sure as hell believe in greed. 617 00:50:30,948 --> 00:50:33,242 And that greed turns people into monsters. 618 00:50:36,537 --> 00:50:39,456 It's not Bigfoot making all those people disappear in the woods. 49108

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