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Okay.
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Should I just go?
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Monsters aren't born,
they're made, we make them.
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All of our monsters
are human-made.
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The... We make them out
of the things we're afraid of,
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we make them out
of the things we hate.
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In our past, we, we became
fearful as an evolutionary mechanism
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for survival.
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Don't go in the cave. It's dark.
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There could be something
in there that will eat you.
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It's a human coping mechanism.
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This notion of things
that are out of control,
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things that we can't control.
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It just seems to be hardwired
into the human psyche.
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Did, did kinda tell
you why I was calling?
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He mentioned that,
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you know, that you'd
be a good guy to talk to
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about kinda Spy Rock
and Mendo and the scene.
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A confidential source told me
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that in 1993
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word on the mountain was that
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had a hand in the murders
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of three farm
workers from Mexico
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at a dope patch
off Spy Rock Road.
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Subsequent to that,
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Ghostdance told me that
was pulled in for questioning
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by the Mendocino
County Sheriff's Office
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regarding a different
murder at a dope farm
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off Spy Rock Road
that occurred in 2013.
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How long have... Are
you still based, like...
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Are you still based
in, in Mendo now?
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Yeah, how... When did
you first get there, man?
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Would it... Would Spy
Rock be a dangerous place
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for my crew and I to just, like,
go and start trying to get interviews
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came across to me
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like somebody who's experienced
with handling interrogations.
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Somebody that knew
how to issue a veiled threat.
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Okay, let me ask you one more,
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one more thing, man. I
mean, one of the stories,
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one of the stories I heard
when I was working at that farm
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was about a, a triple homicide
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around Spy Rock Road in
October or November of 1993
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where one version
of the story is that
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an actual Sasquatch did it.
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Do you know anything about that?
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Okay.
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All right, man. Well...
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Just got out of a meeting
with a source on Spy Rock
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and, um, dealing with
all these dopers up here,
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it's, it's such a
nest of vipers.
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It's hard to know what to
believe or how to gauge the truth.
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One quality I'm looking for
is, consistency of information.
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There are certain things
that keep coming up
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Three guys from
Mexico, Hells Angels.
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From sources in different
towns, from different generations.
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These common
threads keep coming up.
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Now, twice in the last 72 hours,
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from two different
individuals, I've heard that, yes,
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three men were murdered
on Spy Rock in the fall of 1993.
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And they were murdered on
orders from a powerful grower
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up here on Spy Rock.
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The, first source says
the guys had gotten killed
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because they had gotten
a local girl strung out
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on heroin and meth.
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The source today just
said, you know, quote,
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you know, "They, they fucked
with the wrong guy's daughter,
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and it got 'em killed."
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So that's just another
angle to explore
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and keep an eye and ear out for.
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Thanks for agreeing
to do this, man.
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I appreciate it.
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So I met with this
Mendocino County investigator
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who is only willing to talk to
us if his identity is protected,
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because... he's got a
contract out on his life
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because he killed a cartel
operative in a shootout.
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I asked you when we met I wanted
to make sure about a guy named.
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Okay.
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I wasn't there when
these events took place,
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but from people I knew there,
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they told me the story
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that probably one of
the first people here
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to run a bigger operation
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was a guy they called Bigfoot
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who was up on Spy Rock.
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A legendary guy.
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- Interesting.
- Yeah.
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Had all his family riding
around in off-road vehicles
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with, you know, had
football fields of pot.
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He was the legendary
big man on the mountain.
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So there was a
common terminology,
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anything that went
awry, "Bigfoot did it."
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I'm realizing that
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if was involved in
the triple homicide
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up on Spy Rock
in the fall of 1993,
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one possibility is that
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he was following orders
or acting on behest
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of somebody or maybe
just trying to curry favor
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with someone much
higher up the food chain.
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By reputation, would Bigfoot
have been the kind of guy
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that would get somebody
else to do a killing for him?
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I... Once again, I don't know,
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but that's not at all what I
got from the people there was,
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it was totally copacetic,
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but it was like, don't come
up here and mess with us.
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I was thinking back to that
night in the cabin in 1993,
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and did I hear them say
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"a" Bigfoot killed those guys,
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or did I hear them say
Bigfoot killed those guys?
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Because memory's
tricky like that
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and I-I-I.
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I don't know.
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Could they have said, "I'm telling
you, Bigfoot killed those guys"?
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Yeah, maybe.
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Maybe.
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So, have you ever heard
of an old-time grower
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who also had property on
Spy Rock in the early 1990s
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who goes by the
nickname Bigfoot?
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When I lay this
story on this cop
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about an old-time
grower on Spy Rock
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known or nicknamed as Bigfoot,
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without missing a beat he's like,
"That sounds like Bigfoot Gary."
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Um...
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Right now, there are snitches
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in and around
Laytonville, California,
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who are asking
around on my behalf
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about, about Bigfoot Gary,
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about Hells Angels,
about murders.
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One thing that would
make me feel a lot better
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is if I were able
to find somebody
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that put and Bigfoot
Gary together.
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If I find somebody,
whether cop or crook,
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that says, "Hey, yeah, when
was a young guy in the early '90s.
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He worked for Bigfoot Gary."
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Fuck, man, that would be huge.
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One other thing I would
really like to know is
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why they pulled in
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and searched his property
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in relation to the 2013 murder
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of Hugo Olea-Lopez.
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Okay? Why did
they key in on him?
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Did they actually think that
he had anything to do with it?
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I'd really like to know that.
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There is some parallels
between his murder
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and the original case in 1993,
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in that he was a
Mexican national
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on Spy Rock Road.
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And in both cases,
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you know, there were harvested
plants cut down but not stolen.
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So it didn't look
like a rip-off.
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Granted there's no indication
that a Sasquatch did it
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but you strip that away, and
there's a lot of similarities.
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Okay.
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David?
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- Hey, how are you?
- Good. Thanks.
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- Nice to see you.
- Likewise.
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- Come on in.
- Welcome to.
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Okay. Thanks.
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I came in in the fall of '13
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after this case had
kind of slowed down
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and the next group of cases
came in, as they always do.
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I've been in communication
with the family
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I began to get in
communication in '14
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when I started to
follow up on the case.
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I was the only Spanish-speaking
detective at the time,
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so when she would call, I'd be
the one that would talk to her.
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Um... and that's his wife.
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And, you know, we've talked a bunch,
and she had some information she provided.
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There's obviously some suspicions
of, of close contacts with him,
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but there was
never any, any ability
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to tie anybody down to anything.
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I think so. I think
that's how it played out.
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There was no
discovery of his, death.
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There was, "This is where
he's at, and he's dead."
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And then they go up and
they discovered him in a tent.
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If you know Spy Rock, I
mean, you're so far out there,
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you gotta know
where you're going.
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We don't randomly
fall on a tent.
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So whatever it
was, it was a target,
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because it wasn't like that
was the only doper around.
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There were other
ones in the area.
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- He was targeted.
- It had to have been.
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Um...
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How hard is it for you
to investigate a homicide
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when the victim is from... is an
undocumented, you know, worker...
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It's difficult.
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With the growers' cases where
you have Hispanic workers,
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it's extremely difficult.
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We thought there are more bodies
than we could even count right now
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up in the hills.
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Lot of unreported murders?
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I'm sure there are.
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And a lot of unsolveds.
It's pretty bad.
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And it's not because we're not
trying. It's because we don't have
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that cooperation from the
community, a lot of them.
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Especially with marijuana
growers, you know,
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who's going to be
willing to talk to us.
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How are the Mexican immigrants
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perceived in Mendocino?
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What's like the level of
just out-and-out racism
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in Mendocino County?
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There's a voice that's
being put out there right now
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all Hispanics are dope
growers, well, that's not true.
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My dad came here
back in the late '60s.
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Where I grew up, my
family and a couple others,
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we were some of the first
Hispanics in the Valley.
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There was definitely
racism then.
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And I don't know
who you talked to.
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I can imagine that the
Hispanic growers may not be
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as open and forthcoming to you as
the old white hippie dope growers.
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You know? They don't
talk to me and I'm Hispanic.
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I've got another
Hispanic deputy.
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We try our best,
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but there's that fear of
being in the black market
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and not wanting to get in
trouble for what they are doing.
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Right.
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Hugo's murder's going
to be a tough case to solve
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because of what he was involved
in, because of where it happened.
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I have no doubt that there
are a number of people
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who live and grow
dope on Spy Rock Road
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that know exactly...
who killed Hugo and why.
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Um, I am of equally little doubt
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that none of those people would
ever give it up to law enforcement.
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Unfortunately, in our county
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the last time I looked,
there were at least six,
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not only unsolved homicides,
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homicides where we don't
know who the victim was,
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because there's no fingerprints on
file with the Department of Justice.
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In America, they've never
been reported missing.
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We've collected the
DNA on these people,
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but DNA only works
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if you have something
to compare it to.
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I have walked into
marijuana gardens
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where there's a dead
Hispanic on the ground
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with no identification,
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no tattoos,
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and nobody in the area knows
who he is or how he got there.
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We have a guaranteed
anonymous tip line,
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that we would
welcome information on.
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Because solving a
homicide is important.
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For the family, for
law enforcement,
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and for the victim.
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- Okay?
- Okay.
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This Mendocino County
Sheriff's Office investigator
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put me in touch with
longtime resident of Laytonville,
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longtime small-time
grower on Spy Rock.
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As I got within about 10 feet of
the pickup, I could smell... meth.
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Meth has a very distinctive
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sickly sweet, sort of
burning plastic smell to it.
249
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Offered to buy her
a drink at Boomer's.
250
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She said no, she didn't want a drink,
then she offered me a hit of meth.
251
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So I said, no, thanks.
252
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And then she said that she wanted
to get in, get in my car and talk.
253
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Well, I keep coming across the
name of a guy nicknamed Bigfoot.
254
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Why is he nicknamed
Bigfoot, do you know?
255
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He, um... Do you... Have you...
256
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There was a guy by the
name of Hugo Olea-Lopez
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that was killed on
Spy Rock, in 2013.
258
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Um... he was a Mexican
guy that was shotgunned.
259
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He was, like, guarding
a farm up there.
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I don't know. I don't know.
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Trying to find out
more about that
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and, the connection
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between that case
and, um, a triple murder
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that I've heard about
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that happened in
1993 in Spy Rock
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near Iron Mountain.
267
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I think that's why he
wanted us to talk, yeah.
268
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And that was one of
the guys that got killed?
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It's about, three a. M.,
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about 10 hours after I met
with in a parking lot at Boomer's,
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and, maybe a contact high,
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like a tweaker contact
high, because I can't sleep.
273
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Sorta tossing and turning,
my mind's spinning in circles,
274
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going over what she,
laid on me in the car
275
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and looking over the
notes I scrawled down
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as soon as she
and I parted ways.
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Could this be the one? Could we
be talking about the same murder?
278
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I mean, obviously,
Spy Rock Road,
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1993, is a very
violent place, okay.
280
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There's probably multiple
homicides that have gone unsolved.
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The biggest discrepancy
of course being that
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she said that it was
two men that were killed
283
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rather than three.
284
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But the location's right.
285
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The one other detail that
she seemed certain on
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was that the name of one of the
men that was killed was Martinez.
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I don't know. I mean, I
guess the next step is
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to really pin her
down on the date.
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You want to tell me about the,
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crime that your son
witnessed in the 1990s?
291
00:23:09,139 --> 00:23:11,808
Are you sure that he
told you it was two guys?
292
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Do you remember
what year that was?
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'96? You sure?
294
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Fuck, man.
295
00:23:36,375 --> 00:23:38,853
You know? Once I
started probing further,
296
00:23:38,877 --> 00:23:41,463
it turned out that it was
off by a couple years.
297
00:23:42,923 --> 00:23:45,968
So different multiple
homicide on Spy Rock Road.
298
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Unsolved, unreported
bodies buried in the woods.
299
00:23:53,392 --> 00:23:55,894
Why are there so many missing
people in Mendocino County?
300
00:24:34,558 --> 00:24:38,520
This place is fucked
up beyond belief.
301
00:24:41,273 --> 00:24:44,502
People pass through here, and
they just see how beautiful it is
302
00:24:44,526 --> 00:24:46,111
in terms of the
natural environment.
303
00:24:48,405 --> 00:24:50,657
They have no idea of the
shit that goes on in this area.
304
00:24:54,745 --> 00:24:57,891
The rate of missing persons
cases in Mendocino County
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and all throughout the Emerald
Triangle is per capita the highest
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00:25:01,168 --> 00:25:03,170
in the United States by far.
307
00:25:07,341 --> 00:25:11,345
You hang out in these dope
towns, and all around you are signs
308
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,239
about missing people.
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00:25:13,263 --> 00:25:16,534
Billboards and
fliers in coffee shops
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00:25:16,558 --> 00:25:18,560
and grocery stores and bars.
311
00:25:19,603 --> 00:25:21,813
I mean, just dozens,
hundreds of them.
312
00:25:25,234 --> 00:25:29,422
And all those missing
persons fliers are literally signs
313
00:25:29,446 --> 00:25:31,281
that there are
monsters among us.
314
00:25:40,749 --> 00:25:43,102
Look, I learned when I was still
a little boy that monsters are real
315
00:25:43,126 --> 00:25:44,854
and they will hurt you, okay.
316
00:25:44,878 --> 00:25:47,649
But real-life monsters aren't
huge and hairy with fangs.
317
00:25:47,673 --> 00:25:50,318
They're smiling and
friendly, until they're not.
318
00:25:50,342 --> 00:25:52,487
So I'm attuned to monsters.
319
00:25:52,511 --> 00:25:55,031
And the more time I spend
in the Emerald Triangle,
320
00:25:55,055 --> 00:25:58,326
the more I sense a lot of them
up here, hurting a lot of people.
321
00:25:58,350 --> 00:26:00,203
I mean, you go asking around
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00:26:00,227 --> 00:26:03,164
about three dead men, and the
question you get back the most is,
323
00:26:03,188 --> 00:26:04,565
"Which three dead men?"
324
00:26:12,155 --> 00:26:14,968
Over time, the big cry was,
325
00:26:14,992 --> 00:26:18,263
we want to stop the
violence in cannabis
326
00:26:18,287 --> 00:26:19,788
by legalizing it.
327
00:26:21,039 --> 00:26:24,102
In truth, since legalization,
328
00:26:24,126 --> 00:26:27,772
the violence has
escalated hundreds of folds,
329
00:26:27,796 --> 00:26:29,089
not a little bit.
330
00:26:30,883 --> 00:26:33,695
The laws and the way
they've carried them out
331
00:26:33,719 --> 00:26:35,596
have been so draconian.
332
00:26:36,138 --> 00:26:37,615
The black market
333
00:26:37,639 --> 00:26:40,994
is five times bigger than
it was a couple years ago,
334
00:26:41,018 --> 00:26:43,228
and the white market's a mess.
335
00:26:47,149 --> 00:26:49,502
When you take the lifestyle away
336
00:26:49,526 --> 00:26:53,006
and you crush all the
little people for corporate,
337
00:26:53,030 --> 00:26:56,992
it becomes something different,
and it has that curse on it.
338
00:26:58,243 --> 00:27:02,039
And so all of this has
created feuds and violence.
339
00:27:19,765 --> 00:27:22,518
You guys know a guy named
Bigfoot Gary who lives around here?
340
00:27:23,101 --> 00:27:24,937
No? All right.
341
00:27:37,199 --> 00:27:41,036
Now I've kinda got a
target lock on Bigfoot Gary.
342
00:27:42,871 --> 00:27:46,184
I really want a meeting
and to, like, look in his eyes
343
00:27:46,208 --> 00:27:49,813
and put this story to him,
because I feel like I'd know.
344
00:27:49,837 --> 00:27:52,172
I'd know whether or not
345
00:27:52,923 --> 00:27:54,174
he was involved.
346
00:28:54,484 --> 00:28:55,484
Okay.
347
00:28:57,029 --> 00:28:58,322
How's it going?
348
00:29:02,367 --> 00:29:03,720
Okay, cool.
349
00:29:03,744 --> 00:29:04,744
Bandana works.
350
00:29:07,414 --> 00:29:09,541
You're not a snitch,
you're a source.
351
00:29:21,887 --> 00:29:24,264
Um, when did you
first meet Bigfoot Gary?
352
00:29:29,019 --> 00:29:31,980
How many, how many
seasons did you work for Gary?
353
00:29:36,443 --> 00:29:38,779
What was he like to work for?
What kind of a boss was he?
354
00:30:00,092 --> 00:30:02,803
- All right, let's start over.
- Play a little different tack.
355
00:30:03,303 --> 00:30:06,723
Wher... How, how high
up the, the food chain is he?
356
00:30:07,891 --> 00:30:10,060
Like, where does
he fit in around here?
357
00:30:15,941 --> 00:30:19,027
You think Gary is capable of killing
somebody or having them killed?
358
00:30:30,247 --> 00:30:32,207
Which circumstances?
359
00:30:46,180 --> 00:30:47,764
Take me through
what you've heard.
360
00:31:11,371 --> 00:31:13,683
They're probably
still on the hill,
361
00:31:13,707 --> 00:31:15,125
meaning their bodies.
362
00:31:30,933 --> 00:31:32,535
If he had those
three guys killed
363
00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:34,061
because they raped his daughter,
364
00:31:34,561 --> 00:31:36,313
fucking good for him, you know.
365
00:31:36,772 --> 00:31:39,417
As far as I'm concerned,
every rapist in the world
366
00:31:39,441 --> 00:31:42,528
deserves to die screaming
and alone in pain in the woods.
367
00:31:43,070 --> 00:31:45,364
So, good on Bigfoot
Gary if that's what he did.
368
00:31:46,740 --> 00:31:49,618
If he killed these three guys
because he's a racist fuck,
369
00:31:50,202 --> 00:31:52,829
you know, then he deserves
more than he's gonna get.
370
00:31:55,123 --> 00:31:57,477
'Cause that means he knew a lot
of white people up here would buy
371
00:31:57,501 --> 00:32:00,504
into the bullshit stereotype
of Mexicans being rapists.
372
00:32:02,339 --> 00:32:03,882
And he'd get away with murder.
373
00:32:07,177 --> 00:32:09,680
I really want to, meet him
374
00:32:10,514 --> 00:32:13,225
and get a gauge of what
kind of monster he is.
375
00:32:30,367 --> 00:32:32,637
Okay, so I just came
down off the mountain,
376
00:32:32,661 --> 00:32:34,222
and I didn't have
any cell service.
377
00:32:34,246 --> 00:32:35,932
So, as soon as I
got back on the grid,
378
00:32:35,956 --> 00:32:38,393
I had two text messages
pop up, bang bang.
379
00:32:38,417 --> 00:32:41,211
Both of them sent in
the last couple hours
380
00:32:41,628 --> 00:32:43,523
from one of Bigfoot
Gary's neighbors
381
00:32:43,547 --> 00:32:46,717
who is relaying a message
to me from Bigfoot Gary's wife.
382
00:33:01,940 --> 00:33:02,983
Okay.
383
00:33:08,363 --> 00:33:09,363
This is David.
384
00:33:12,075 --> 00:33:13,075
Yeah.
385
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:16,288
Hi, Carolyn.
386
00:33:24,046 --> 00:33:25,732
Okay, he didn't... He was...
387
00:33:25,756 --> 00:33:29,218
He didn't have any business in Spy
Rock or Mendocino in the early '90s?
388
00:33:30,427 --> 00:33:34,056
He wasn't growing dope
in Mendocino in the 1990s?
389
00:33:37,392 --> 00:33:41,063
Any idea why people
would be telling me this shit?
390
00:33:47,361 --> 00:33:48,361
Okay.
391
00:34:05,462 --> 00:34:09,692
Could you ask Gary if he's,
if he's had a business partner
392
00:34:09,716 --> 00:34:11,718
or he knows anybody named.
393
00:34:13,095 --> 00:34:14,137
I'm...
394
00:34:18,100 --> 00:34:20,578
Listen, is, is Gary
sitting next to you?
395
00:34:20,602 --> 00:34:23,397
Could I talk to him or are
you the intermediary here?
396
00:34:32,573 --> 00:34:33,573
Hey, Gary.
397
00:35:21,163 --> 00:35:24,184
I'm looking specifically
at the fall of 1993,
398
00:35:24,208 --> 00:35:26,126
harvest season 1993.
399
00:35:44,228 --> 00:35:46,831
All right, a version of
the story I heard was that,
400
00:35:46,855 --> 00:35:50,585
the guy on Spy Rock
named, nicknamed Bigfoot
401
00:35:50,609 --> 00:35:52,295
had kill these guys
402
00:35:52,319 --> 00:35:55,739
because these guys had sexually
assaulted Bigfoot's daughter.
403
00:35:57,449 --> 00:35:58,449
No?
404
00:36:02,204 --> 00:36:05,832
You didn't have a... You did not
have a daughter in 1993, Gary?
405
00:36:08,502 --> 00:36:10,754
And you didn't kill
anybody in 1993?
406
00:36:11,505 --> 00:36:13,149
Three, three guys from Mexico.
407
00:36:13,173 --> 00:36:15,092
And you didn't kill
anybody in 1993?
408
00:36:36,822 --> 00:36:38,716
The rumor mill on the mountain
409
00:36:38,740 --> 00:36:42,220
is that Bigfoot Gary
arranged to have murdered
410
00:36:42,244 --> 00:36:44,454
three guys who'd
raped his daughter.
411
00:36:46,957 --> 00:36:48,309
The problem with that is that.
412
00:36:48,333 --> 00:36:50,645
Bigfoot Gary didn't
have a daughter in 1993.
413
00:36:50,669 --> 00:36:52,754
He's telling the truth
about that. I checked.
414
00:36:53,297 --> 00:36:54,440
Okay?
415
00:36:54,464 --> 00:36:58,510
So there's a disconnect between
the word on the mountain and reality.
416
00:36:58,969 --> 00:37:00,679
And within that disconnect
417
00:37:01,138 --> 00:37:03,140
is reasonable doubt
and then some.
418
00:37:05,058 --> 00:37:08,037
So, you hold my feet to
the fire, I'm gonna say,
419
00:37:08,061 --> 00:37:09,956
he's not our guy.
420
00:37:09,980 --> 00:37:11,106
Bigfoot didn't do it.
421
00:37:29,208 --> 00:37:31,811
There is this elusive truth
422
00:37:31,835 --> 00:37:34,963
that I glimpsed, you
know, through the trees.
423
00:37:36,340 --> 00:37:39,027
And it's like the same obsession
424
00:37:39,051 --> 00:37:41,404
that drives Squatchers
425
00:37:41,428 --> 00:37:43,347
to spend half their
lives in the woods.
426
00:37:44,306 --> 00:37:46,451
They do it because
they're obsessed.
427
00:37:46,475 --> 00:37:49,078
They're convinced
that they're always just
428
00:37:49,102 --> 00:37:51,080
one step away
429
00:37:51,104 --> 00:37:53,357
from getting the proof
they need. Right?
430
00:37:54,316 --> 00:37:56,068
Am I just doing the same shit?
431
00:37:56,568 --> 00:37:58,213
Am I just, like, out there
running around the woods,
432
00:37:58,237 --> 00:38:00,131
like, convinced that
I'm just one move away
433
00:38:00,155 --> 00:38:01,758
from, like, really
cracking this case
434
00:38:01,782 --> 00:38:05,244
and being able to explain
exactly what happened in 1993?
435
00:38:12,918 --> 00:38:14,229
Finding Bigfoot
436
00:38:14,253 --> 00:38:17,339
would probably
fill a hole in my life.
437
00:38:19,341 --> 00:38:22,904
My wish is for the
world to finally have proof
438
00:38:22,928 --> 00:38:25,222
that this creature
actually exists.
439
00:38:26,515 --> 00:38:28,433
I would give
anything to see one.
440
00:38:30,727 --> 00:38:33,206
As scary as some
of these stories are
441
00:38:33,230 --> 00:38:35,875
and how fearful we are
442
00:38:35,899 --> 00:38:38,485
of that, you know,
"monster in the closet,"
443
00:38:38,944 --> 00:38:40,529
we still want to figure it out.
444
00:38:41,947 --> 00:38:45,158
To have that, "See, I
told you I'm not crazy."
445
00:38:45,951 --> 00:38:47,786
"I told you when I was 10"
446
00:38:48,579 --> 00:38:50,223
"what I saw out the window."
447
00:38:50,247 --> 00:38:51,498
"You know, those eyes."
448
00:38:54,459 --> 00:38:55,627
"And this is why.
449
00:38:56,670 --> 00:38:57,670
It's right there."
450
00:39:03,260 --> 00:39:06,447
The story of Sasquatch
or of man-like monsters
451
00:39:06,471 --> 00:39:08,557
has been with us from
the very beginning.
452
00:39:09,308 --> 00:39:12,412
Some of the earliest
literary traditions in the west
453
00:39:12,436 --> 00:39:14,354
and, well, in the
east for that matter,
454
00:39:14,980 --> 00:39:18,692
have included this
wild-man figure.
455
00:39:20,485 --> 00:39:23,882
A representation of
perhaps our alter ego,
456
00:39:23,906 --> 00:39:26,950
our lost connection
to wild places.
457
00:39:31,955 --> 00:39:34,309
I think it's fair to
say that these stories
458
00:39:34,333 --> 00:39:36,936
or mythologies about wild men
459
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,605
are really more about humans?
460
00:39:38,629 --> 00:39:39,898
Yeah, it's always about humans.
461
00:39:39,922 --> 00:39:41,649
It's never not about humans.
462
00:39:41,673 --> 00:39:44,343
It's not about the giant beast.
463
00:39:47,054 --> 00:39:50,158
And it gets back to this notion
464
00:39:50,182 --> 00:39:52,243
of things that
are out of control,
465
00:39:52,267 --> 00:39:54,061
things that we can't control.
466
00:39:55,729 --> 00:39:57,957
Wild people are
beyond our control.
467
00:39:57,981 --> 00:40:00,084
They live out in the woods.
468
00:40:00,108 --> 00:40:03,338
They live very different
lifestyles from us.
469
00:40:03,362 --> 00:40:06,198
If you get too close to
them, they might injure you.
470
00:40:07,616 --> 00:40:10,178
There are people
who behave outside
471
00:40:10,202 --> 00:40:13,431
of what the mainstream
considers normal behavior.
472
00:40:13,455 --> 00:40:15,457
And that's where the
wild man comes from.
473
00:40:26,510 --> 00:40:29,489
With these kinds of
investigations, you get a lead, right?
474
00:40:29,513 --> 00:40:31,991
Or you see a path
that you want to follow.
475
00:40:32,015 --> 00:40:35,435
And then you start following that
path away from square one. Okay?
476
00:40:41,650 --> 00:40:45,988
And then you wind up, like,
pretty far deep into the labyrinth,
477
00:40:46,989 --> 00:40:50,367
and sometimes
that path dead-ends.
478
00:40:51,201 --> 00:40:53,930
And when that happens, that's when
you need to go back to the beginning.
479
00:40:53,954 --> 00:40:56,594
You need to go back to square
one and be like, what have I missed?
480
00:41:07,259 --> 00:41:10,238
I've gotten the name of two
people that I think have the number
481
00:41:10,262 --> 00:41:12,657
of the guy that
owned the farm in '93,
482
00:41:12,681 --> 00:41:16,578
and I've been jamming them
to pass on a message to him
483
00:41:16,602 --> 00:41:17,762
for the better part of a year
484
00:41:18,395 --> 00:41:19,980
that I'd like to talk to him.
485
00:41:22,191 --> 00:41:23,710
Finally, word comes
back, like, "What about?"
486
00:41:23,734 --> 00:41:26,087
I was like, "About a
Bigfoot story that I heard"
487
00:41:26,111 --> 00:41:29,364
"at his A-frame
cabin in the fall of '93."
488
00:41:30,157 --> 00:41:32,317
Word comes back, "Yeah,
he'll talk to you about that."
489
00:41:38,749 --> 00:41:39,833
Hello, this is David.
490
00:41:43,629 --> 00:41:44,629
Okay.
491
00:41:46,131 --> 00:41:48,610
Don't fucking put in the
movie, whoever is editing this.
492
00:41:48,634 --> 00:41:50,069
I'm serious, this
is gonna fucking...
493
00:41:50,093 --> 00:41:52,739
Any... Okay, if I'm
scared about it, trust me.
494
00:41:52,763 --> 00:41:55,933
I've a reason to be. I get
a bad vibe from that guy.
495
00:41:56,892 --> 00:41:59,662
Of all the people, honestly,
496
00:41:59,686 --> 00:42:02,040
tha-that we've been deal...
That I've been dealing with,
497
00:42:02,064 --> 00:42:04,525
he's the one that has
me the most concerned.
498
00:42:05,526 --> 00:42:08,421
I remember two tweakers
that stopped by the cabin.
499
00:42:08,445 --> 00:42:08,923
Yeah.
500
00:42:08,947 --> 00:42:11,216
They were freaked out. They
said they'd seen some bodies.
501
00:42:11,240 --> 00:42:13,367
They said that they'd
seen Bigfoot tracks.
502
00:42:28,131 --> 00:42:29,466
It's true.
503
00:42:30,425 --> 00:42:32,153
What he tells me is that
504
00:42:32,177 --> 00:42:34,179
those three guys needed to go.
505
00:42:45,023 --> 00:42:46,066
Okay.
506
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,488
He proceeds to tell me
507
00:43:15,512 --> 00:43:19,159
that Mexican workers
would get jobs on farms,
508
00:43:19,183 --> 00:43:21,202
but really it was kinda
part of a campaign
509
00:43:21,226 --> 00:43:24,914
to... you know, not take over,
but to move in on the territory.
510
00:43:24,938 --> 00:43:26,749
So what they were
doing is, for example,
511
00:43:26,773 --> 00:43:28,418
they would... a bunch
of them would get jobs,
512
00:43:28,442 --> 00:43:31,212
would hire on with,
like, an elderly farmer
513
00:43:31,236 --> 00:43:33,464
and just essentially just
take over his operation.
514
00:43:33,488 --> 00:43:36,158
Just be like, "This is ours now.
What are you gonna do about it?"
515
00:43:38,493 --> 00:43:40,579
Somebody at this meeting
made the comment of, like,
516
00:43:40,913 --> 00:43:42,974
"Fuck, I wish we had, like,
Chupacabras around here
517
00:43:42,998 --> 00:43:44,666
which would scare
these guys off."
518
00:43:48,045 --> 00:43:49,856
And then immediately,
someone was like,
519
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,007
"We got something
better than Chupacabra."
520
00:43:54,635 --> 00:43:57,030
And so they started introducing
521
00:43:57,054 --> 00:43:59,991
into this rumor-based
information ecosystem
522
00:44:00,015 --> 00:44:01,391
of the Emerald Triangle
523
00:44:01,850 --> 00:44:06,539
stories about...
ferocious Sasquatches
524
00:44:06,563 --> 00:44:08,982
terrorizing farmers.
525
00:44:12,027 --> 00:44:14,172
And so those were the stories
526
00:44:14,196 --> 00:44:17,133
that I was hearing secondhand
from all these farmworkers,
527
00:44:17,157 --> 00:44:20,220
and I and everybody
else that was in that scene
528
00:44:20,244 --> 00:44:21,662
at the time.
529
00:44:22,871 --> 00:44:24,998
And so that's another
piece that falls into place.
530
00:44:25,624 --> 00:44:27,292
Things make a little
bit more sense now.
531
00:44:47,938 --> 00:44:49,165
I'm like, okay,
532
00:44:49,189 --> 00:44:52,276
how do you make it look like a
Sasquatch murdered three guys?
533
00:44:52,609 --> 00:44:55,779
He's like, bolt
cutters, pickaxes,
534
00:44:56,572 --> 00:44:58,282
you know, and forklifts.
535
00:44:59,741 --> 00:45:02,220
Meaning chop 'em
up, run 'em over,
536
00:45:02,244 --> 00:45:03,579
bash 'em in.
537
00:45:05,289 --> 00:45:07,082
Were you involved
in that decision?
538
00:45:12,004 --> 00:45:13,148
Let me just ask
you straight out.
539
00:45:13,172 --> 00:45:14,983
Just for, like, kind of
for the record, okay.
540
00:45:15,007 --> 00:45:17,318
Three men actually
died in October 1993.
541
00:45:17,342 --> 00:45:20,113
Is that what you're saying, okay,
that the bodies that those guys
542
00:45:20,137 --> 00:45:22,157
who came to your cabin
said they saw that night,
543
00:45:22,181 --> 00:45:23,515
those were actual dead bodies?
544
00:45:34,026 --> 00:45:36,754
They basically framed
Sasquatch for the murder.
545
00:45:36,778 --> 00:45:40,324
These dope growers framed
Sasquatch for a triple murder
546
00:45:40,782 --> 00:45:43,619
to terrorize guys from Mexico
547
00:45:44,119 --> 00:45:45,495
that were on their turf.
548
00:45:52,127 --> 00:45:54,355
He said that what they
did is they arranged
549
00:45:54,379 --> 00:45:56,215
for chatterboxes, as he put it,
550
00:45:56,632 --> 00:45:57,859
to see the bodies
551
00:45:57,883 --> 00:45:59,944
and that that guy that had
come to that cabin that night,
552
00:45:59,968 --> 00:46:03,448
the guy that was on crystal meth,
he was one of the chatterboxes.
553
00:46:03,472 --> 00:46:06,892
All right? Because that's the way
that the story would get spread.
554
00:46:07,601 --> 00:46:08,601
Okay?
555
00:46:09,478 --> 00:46:12,189
The other guy was in on
it too, took him up there.
556
00:46:12,940 --> 00:46:15,359
"Holy shit! They're
fucking dead.
557
00:46:16,193 --> 00:46:18,862
Look at their bodies.
Look at these tracks."
558
00:46:19,571 --> 00:46:20,571
Okay?
559
00:46:21,114 --> 00:46:23,367
"Fucking Bigfoot killed
these three guys, man."
560
00:46:30,165 --> 00:46:32,560
What are some of the motivations
why people would make up
561
00:46:32,584 --> 00:46:34,103
a Sasquatch story?
562
00:46:34,127 --> 00:46:38,775
Well, the... and this may
lead us back to Spy Rock.
563
00:46:38,799 --> 00:46:41,236
People want to scare
other people away.
564
00:46:41,260 --> 00:46:46,282
I know in the Amazon
that many times
565
00:46:46,306 --> 00:46:48,576
people come up
with terrible stories
566
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,704
of monsters and
ghosts and stuff,
567
00:46:51,728 --> 00:46:53,414
and it's to scare people away.
568
00:46:53,438 --> 00:46:56,125
There's something of value,
it's a good fishing ground,
569
00:46:56,149 --> 00:46:57,877
it's a good hunting ground.
570
00:46:57,901 --> 00:47:00,612
So they do that to keep
the other people away.
571
00:47:06,034 --> 00:47:07,786
Myth is super-powerful.
572
00:47:09,997 --> 00:47:12,708
People are afraid
of the unknown.
573
00:47:14,501 --> 00:47:17,629
It's an ancient story
from the beginning of time.
574
00:47:18,213 --> 00:47:19,607
Look at the propaganda
in this country.
575
00:47:19,631 --> 00:47:21,776
Look at the propaganda
around the world.
576
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,279
I mean, we create stories.
We identify the other,
577
00:47:24,303 --> 00:47:26,364
the immigrants, we demonize them
578
00:47:26,388 --> 00:47:28,158
so we can empower ourselves
579
00:47:28,182 --> 00:47:30,559
and maintain control
over the culture.
580
00:47:35,439 --> 00:47:36,732
I could see that happening,
581
00:47:37,941 --> 00:47:42,172
just in how I knew people
from that area to behave
582
00:47:42,196 --> 00:47:45,240
when they felt
threatened by outsiders.
583
00:47:46,533 --> 00:47:48,553
But this was
obviously like a killing
584
00:47:48,577 --> 00:47:52,098
where people witnessed
the aftermath of it
585
00:47:52,122 --> 00:47:54,750
and were then told to
go tell people about it.
586
00:47:55,459 --> 00:47:57,961
And that's why I heard about it.
587
00:47:59,254 --> 00:48:04,110
'Cause if it was just about killing
these guys for what they had done,
588
00:48:04,134 --> 00:48:06,011
no one would have
heard about it, right?
589
00:48:08,555 --> 00:48:10,533
Plenty of people have
been killed up there
590
00:48:10,557 --> 00:48:14,645
and buried in a shallow grave
on a mountaintop and never found.
591
00:48:17,940 --> 00:48:21,777
They really did these
guys in to send a message.
592
00:48:26,865 --> 00:48:29,093
There's exploitive
people out here
593
00:48:29,117 --> 00:48:32,287
and exploitive situations
waiting to happen, you know.
594
00:48:34,706 --> 00:48:39,437
That darkness from the mining
camps and from the first logging camps
595
00:48:39,461 --> 00:48:43,382
that, you know, took the land
away from the indigenous people,
596
00:48:45,384 --> 00:48:47,821
that trauma never stopped,
and it just snowballed
597
00:48:47,845 --> 00:48:50,973
into trauma for everybody
that's come since then.
598
00:48:54,977 --> 00:48:56,913
It gets paved over
and painted over
599
00:48:56,937 --> 00:49:00,399
and developed over constantly,
600
00:49:00,858 --> 00:49:04,254
but in the more rural
areas, like out here,
601
00:49:04,278 --> 00:49:06,113
it's there, you can
feel it, you know.
602
00:49:07,531 --> 00:49:10,534
I don't think you can stop
it or erase it at this point.
603
00:49:25,757 --> 00:49:28,486
This started as
604
00:49:28,510 --> 00:49:32,347
a ghost story about three guys
getting killed on a dope farm in 1993.
605
00:49:35,934 --> 00:49:38,729
I have moved with every step
606
00:49:39,855 --> 00:49:41,791
of this endeavor
towards believing that
607
00:49:41,815 --> 00:49:43,734
these three murders
actually occurred.
608
00:49:47,779 --> 00:49:50,699
This is, like, not an
easily solvable case.
609
00:49:51,450 --> 00:49:54,995
I mean, there's no police
report, there's no bodies.
610
00:49:57,539 --> 00:49:59,934
I think it's impossible
that I would ever,
611
00:49:59,958 --> 00:50:02,228
with absolute certainty,
612
00:50:02,252 --> 00:50:05,380
feel like I knew exactly
what had happened and why.
613
00:50:12,429 --> 00:50:15,432
At least I have a story that I
tell myself that makes sense now.
614
00:50:20,312 --> 00:50:23,041
No, I don't fucking
think Bigfoot did it.
615
00:50:23,065 --> 00:50:24,066
No.
616
00:50:24,900 --> 00:50:28,195
I don't believe in Bigfoot, but
I sure as hell believe in greed.
617
00:50:30,948 --> 00:50:33,242
And that greed turns
people into monsters.
618
00:50:36,537 --> 00:50:39,456
It's not Bigfoot making all those
people disappear in the woods.
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