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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:04,669 This was a moment 30 years in the making. 2 00:00:05,194 --> 00:00:07,479 For Liverpool, the wait.. 3 00:00:07,504 --> 00:00:08,888 ...is over! 4 00:00:08,913 --> 00:00:10,808 Champions of England again! 5 00:00:12,274 --> 00:00:16,329 Liverpool had been relentless in their quest to return to the top 6 00:00:16,354 --> 00:00:17,688 of the English game. 7 00:00:17,713 --> 00:00:19,199 Firmino. Brilliant! 8 00:00:19,224 --> 00:00:22,529 Salah. That is simply awesome! 9 00:00:22,554 --> 00:00:24,768 And masterminding their return... 10 00:00:24,793 --> 00:00:28,369 A brilliant manager in a mould all of his own. 11 00:00:28,394 --> 00:00:30,999 I'm the normal one, maybe if you want this. 12 00:00:31,024 --> 00:00:32,839 I couldn't be more proud 13 00:00:32,864 --> 00:00:34,449 on the way we did it. 14 00:00:34,474 --> 00:00:36,609 Being so patient for 30 years. 15 00:00:36,634 --> 00:00:38,369 Roberto Firmino! 16 00:00:38,394 --> 00:00:40,369 Mane! 17 00:00:40,394 --> 00:00:43,688 The style of footballjurgen Klopp has implemented 18 00:00:43,713 --> 00:00:45,279 has been breathtaking. 19 00:00:45,304 --> 00:00:47,049 Salah charges towards him... 20 00:00:47,074 --> 00:00:48,688 ...and scores! 21 00:00:48,713 --> 00:00:51,119 I always said from the first interview, I want to win 22 00:00:51,144 --> 00:00:52,638 the Premier League with this club. 23 00:00:52,663 --> 00:00:55,049 They were saying crazy but, yeah, we did it. 24 00:00:55,074 --> 00:00:57,369 For three long decades, 25 00:00:57,394 --> 00:01:00,169 Liverpool fans have watched on in agony as others 26 00:01:00,194 --> 00:01:02,329 took their perch and revelled in it. 27 00:01:07,144 --> 00:01:10,638 And despite winning ten cups in that time, it was always 28 00:01:10,663 --> 00:01:12,758 the league that mattered most. 29 00:01:12,783 --> 00:01:15,089 Even when you win the Champions League there were people 30 00:01:15,114 --> 00:01:17,409 that told us winning the league would have meant more. 31 00:01:17,434 --> 00:01:19,969 You don't find a club where you will hear that, actually, 32 00:01:19,994 --> 00:01:21,729 apart from Liverpool. 33 00:01:21,754 --> 00:01:25,609 It mattered because, alongside the highs of the '70s and '80s, 34 00:01:25,634 --> 00:01:27,659 there were also tragedies, 35 00:01:27,684 --> 00:01:32,279 dark days, which created a unique bond between the club and its fans. 36 00:01:33,754 --> 00:01:37,249 The people have got special strength about them 37 00:01:37,274 --> 00:01:40,119 to overcome the bad events. 38 00:01:40,144 --> 00:01:45,008 The passion that you saw on the field is a direct result 39 00:01:45,033 --> 00:01:47,119 of who our supporters are. 40 00:01:47,144 --> 00:01:50,758 I think the personality of this team is a never—say—die attitude, 41 00:01:50,783 --> 00:01:53,729 who are willing to fight for each other right until the very end. 42 00:01:53,754 --> 00:01:56,888 This is the story of Liverpool's long road back 43 00:01:56,913 --> 00:01:59,279 to the summit of English football... 44 00:01:59,304 --> 00:02:00,839 You ask there and I look there. 45 00:02:00,864 --> 00:02:04,839 ...told by the people who helped shape the club we see today. 46 00:02:04,864 --> 00:02:06,199 OK, ready? 47 00:02:06,224 --> 00:02:07,409 It's ready. 48 00:02:07,434 --> 00:02:08,449 SNAP! 49 00:02:14,144 --> 00:02:19,249 CHEERING AND CHANTING 50 00:02:19,274 --> 00:02:21,249 Liverpool are the champions 51 00:02:21,274 --> 00:02:23,329 and the gladiators applaud the crowd. 52 00:02:23,354 --> 00:02:25,839 I'm not going to tell you why they're going to win, 53 00:02:25,864 --> 00:02:28,249 because they're going to win because they're the greatest. 54 00:02:28,274 --> 00:02:30,008 Champions! Champions! 55 00:02:30,033 --> 00:02:33,369 I don't think Liverpool would be where we are today, 56 00:02:33,394 --> 00:02:34,638 except for Bill Shankly. 57 00:02:34,663 --> 00:02:36,369 As soon as he opens his mouth, 58 00:02:36,394 --> 00:02:37,558 it's pure heaven. 59 00:02:37,583 --> 00:02:40,199 Well, I think that if a manager is honest, 60 00:02:40,224 --> 00:02:42,609 he can't go into the field with the players. 61 00:02:42,634 --> 00:02:44,199 He can convey it to the players. 62 00:02:44,224 --> 00:02:47,558 He's with them and they're with him, and they'll be successful. 63 00:02:47,583 --> 00:02:51,558 There was something about this guy that clicked with Liverpool. 64 00:02:51,583 --> 00:02:55,249 And the cup belongs to Liverpool! 65 00:02:57,944 --> 00:03:02,329 Shankly created a famous boot room culture which not only brought 66 00:03:02,354 --> 00:03:05,558 success, but also a template for succession. 67 00:03:05,583 --> 00:03:08,299 It's the people that make it, really, there's no magic. 68 00:03:08,324 --> 00:03:09,888 No, there's no magic. 69 00:03:11,583 --> 00:03:14,449 When Shanks retired, Bob Paisley took over. 70 00:03:14,474 --> 00:03:15,839 Bob was a bit of a mumbler. 71 00:03:15,864 --> 00:03:18,558 He's a bit hard to understand, I would think, in team meetings 72 00:03:18,583 --> 00:03:20,008 and the like, isn't he? Pardon? 73 00:03:20,033 --> 00:03:22,479 He's a bit hard... LAUGHTER 74 00:03:22,504 --> 00:03:24,888 The Kop's spilling onto the pitch to celebrate 75 00:03:24,913 --> 00:03:27,279 the victory and the championship. 76 00:03:27,304 --> 00:03:29,449 Have you any more ambitions left in this game? 77 00:03:29,474 --> 00:03:31,888 Yeah. Win it next year. 78 00:03:31,913 --> 00:03:34,649 The teams of the '70s and the '80s 79 00:03:34,674 --> 00:03:36,638 were absolutely phenomenal. 80 00:03:36,663 --> 00:03:39,008 They were like a machine. They were winning everything. 81 00:03:39,033 --> 00:03:42,119 Liverpool have retained the Football League championship. 82 00:03:42,144 --> 00:03:44,758 42 league games, that's what it's all about. 83 00:03:44,783 --> 00:03:47,558 Cup competitions — one-off things, really, aren't they? 84 00:03:47,583 --> 00:03:49,729 But win the league, that's what football's all about. 85 00:03:49,754 --> 00:03:52,449 Liverpool are European champions! 86 00:03:54,144 --> 00:03:56,919 You can mention the word Europeanite, and I think 87 00:03:56,944 --> 00:04:00,199 90% of football supporters in the world would think Liverpool. 88 00:04:00,224 --> 00:04:02,558 It's business as usual for Liverpool, 89 00:04:02,583 --> 00:04:05,558 the most successful club in the history of British football. 90 00:04:05,583 --> 00:04:08,119 Joe Fagan had the drop. Your first year in charge, 91 00:04:08,144 --> 00:04:10,119 and two trophies on the shelf already. 92 00:04:10,144 --> 00:04:12,449 Incredible. I don't know how it's happened. 93 00:04:12,474 --> 00:04:13,479 Don't ask me. 94 00:04:15,114 --> 00:04:18,888 The sheer scale of Liverpool's dominance dwarfed anything 95 00:04:18,913 --> 00:04:21,839 that had been seen previously in England. 96 00:04:25,663 --> 00:04:29,399 Liverpool were the powerhouse of English football, winning 11 97 00:04:29,424 --> 00:04:33,888 league titles in 18 years, as well as conquering Europe four times. 98 00:04:33,913 --> 00:04:39,558 # Welcome to the Pleasuredome! # 99 00:04:43,274 --> 00:04:47,758 It was in pursuit of a fifth European Cup that Liverpool endured 100 00:04:47,783 --> 00:04:50,888 one of its darkest days. 101 00:04:50,913 --> 00:04:53,529 For the last 50 minutes, 102 00:04:53,554 --> 00:04:56,839 the Heysel Stadium in Brussels, 103 00:04:56,864 --> 00:04:58,688 the capital of Belgium, 104 00:04:58,713 --> 00:05:01,808 has been a sickening and bewildering sight. 105 00:05:03,674 --> 00:05:06,729 We go on the pitch and they're throwing missiles at us, 106 00:05:06,754 --> 00:05:08,329 the Juventus supporters. 107 00:05:08,354 --> 00:05:11,329 So I picked one up, and I remember saying to Alan Kennedy, 108 00:05:11,354 --> 00:05:14,609 "Nobody brings that into the stadium." 109 00:05:14,634 --> 00:05:16,299 And he says, "That is the stadium." 110 00:05:17,603 --> 00:05:21,199 Some Liverpool supporters moved into the Juventus area. 111 00:05:21,224 --> 00:05:25,199 You can see the Juventus supporters trying to get over the wall 112 00:05:25,224 --> 00:05:29,169 to our right and down towards the running track. 113 00:05:29,194 --> 00:05:32,199 And it was the pressure of movement down towards the running track 114 00:05:32,224 --> 00:05:37,329 which resulted in the wall giving way. 115 00:05:39,274 --> 00:05:43,329 The first thing that needs to be said is that Liverpool fans 116 00:05:43,354 --> 00:05:47,729 need to accept the blame for a lot of what happened that day. 117 00:05:49,504 --> 00:05:52,008 There were many reasons for Heysel... 118 00:05:52,033 --> 00:05:55,839 The stadium was shambles, the police were completely inept. 119 00:05:57,554 --> 00:06:01,039 I was watching it on the television and thinking... 120 00:06:02,114 --> 00:06:03,558 ...this can't be happening. 121 00:06:03,583 --> 00:06:05,558 And the terrible feeling of... 122 00:06:07,554 --> 00:06:08,969 ...responsibility. 123 00:06:08,994 --> 00:06:14,599 And Liverpool's run of success in European Cup finals 124 00:06:14,624 --> 00:06:16,249 comes to an end. 125 00:06:16,274 --> 00:06:19,289 But this is not a night when football will be remembered. 126 00:06:30,864 --> 00:06:33,329 There were no guidelines on how to recover 127 00:06:33,354 --> 00:06:34,839 from such a disaster. 128 00:06:36,944 --> 00:06:40,749 This was football's latest hooligan incident and it led to all English 129 00:06:40,774 --> 00:06:42,828 clubs being banned from Europe. 130 00:06:43,884 --> 00:06:46,678 It was a sad end for retiring manager joe Fagan. 131 00:06:47,913 --> 00:06:51,969 The club needed a lift, so Fagan's successor wasn't from the boot room, 132 00:06:51,994 --> 00:06:54,529 as was tradition, but the dressing room. 133 00:06:54,554 --> 00:06:56,609 It was Liverpool's star player... 134 00:06:58,144 --> 00:06:59,558 ...Kenny Dalglish. 135 00:06:59,583 --> 00:07:01,249 Sledgehammer by Peter Gabriel 136 00:07:01,274 --> 00:07:02,758 He is through! 137 00:07:02,783 --> 00:07:03,808 Kenny Dalglish! 138 00:07:03,833 --> 00:07:07,289 That is absolutely outstanding finishing! 139 00:07:07,314 --> 00:07:09,449 Kenny came in and, all of a sudden, 140 00:07:09,474 --> 00:07:12,558 we started to do a little bit about team shape. 141 00:07:12,583 --> 00:07:15,678 We did a little bit about with the ball, without the ball. 142 00:07:15,703 --> 00:07:20,008 Kenny, by that time, was, as he is now, 143 00:07:20,033 --> 00:07:22,729 forever part of the fabric of this place. 144 00:07:22,754 --> 00:07:24,969 And he knew what people wanted. 145 00:07:24,994 --> 00:07:27,369 He knew what the people expected of the players. 146 00:07:27,394 --> 00:07:29,729 And he just changed it because that's what he believed in. 147 00:07:29,754 --> 00:07:31,839 But it wasn't a massive change. 148 00:07:31,864 --> 00:07:33,928 In many ways, it was a good change 149 00:07:33,953 --> 00:07:36,578 because it kind of changed with the times. 150 00:07:36,603 --> 00:07:39,139 In his first season as player-manager, 151 00:07:39,164 --> 00:07:42,479 Kenny led Liverpool to the double, even scoring the goal 152 00:07:42,504 --> 00:07:44,089 that sealed the title. 153 00:07:44,114 --> 00:07:45,678 And Dalglish is in here! 154 00:07:45,703 --> 00:07:47,649 Yes! 155 00:07:47,674 --> 00:07:49,888 The player-manager scores the goal 156 00:07:49,913 --> 00:07:54,609 that may edge Liverpool nearer to their 16th championship! 157 00:07:56,064 --> 00:07:57,729 # Feel the heat... # 158 00:08:01,274 --> 00:08:03,169 I'd been at Watford for six years. 159 00:08:03,194 --> 00:08:04,698 Lovely skill. 160 00:08:05,694 --> 00:08:07,419 What a magnificent goal! 161 00:08:09,144 --> 00:08:10,479 I was playing for England. 162 00:08:10,504 --> 00:08:13,758 I was doing well. But Graham Taylor said to me, at a very young age, 163 00:08:13,783 --> 00:08:16,169 I'll tell you when it's time to go and I'll tell you 164 00:08:16,194 --> 00:08:17,529 where you should be going. 165 00:08:19,634 --> 00:08:22,919 So when Liverpool came in, he said to me, "Liverpool have come in, 166 00:08:22,944 --> 00:08:25,089 "that's the club for you. You're going to Liverpool." 167 00:08:26,703 --> 00:08:28,569 # Get funky now... # 168 00:08:28,594 --> 00:08:31,449 It's been made very easy for myself, Peter Beardsley, Ray Houghton. 169 00:08:31,474 --> 00:08:34,090 Any of the new players who have come in, it's just been made easy for us. 170 00:08:34,114 --> 00:08:35,649 Enola Gay by ELO 171 00:08:35,674 --> 00:08:39,319 john Barnes joined Peter Beardsley and john Aldridge in Liverpool's 172 00:08:39,344 --> 00:08:42,678 new front line for the '87-'88 season. 173 00:08:42,703 --> 00:08:44,529 They played scintillating football. 174 00:08:46,554 --> 00:08:48,279 Oh, look at Barnes here! 175 00:08:48,304 --> 00:08:50,199 They're waiting for the full-back, Beardsley! 176 00:08:50,224 --> 00:08:51,558 0h! 177 00:08:52,864 --> 00:08:54,609 Aldridge is there! Aldridge! 178 00:08:57,583 --> 00:08:59,888 I mean, the wonder of watching John Barnes. 179 00:08:59,913 --> 00:09:02,199 He was just extraordinary. 180 00:09:02,224 --> 00:09:04,568 Oh, Barnes has won it. 181 00:09:04,593 --> 00:09:06,849 He won it from Brock. 182 00:09:06,874 --> 00:09:09,979 He's got Beardsley going to his left, it's still Barnes! 183 00:09:10,004 --> 00:09:12,209 That's a fabulous indefensible goal! 184 00:09:13,434 --> 00:09:16,739 The biggest figure in the culture of the city was John Barnes, 185 00:09:16,764 --> 00:09:18,688 a proud black man from Jamaica. 186 00:09:18,713 --> 00:09:21,409 It broke down a load of barriers. 187 00:09:21,434 --> 00:09:24,379 Those few years were just amazing. 188 00:09:25,434 --> 00:09:27,259 Yeah, we were very spoilt. 189 00:09:27,284 --> 00:09:32,129 Liverpool cruised to the title, winning it by nine points. 190 00:09:32,154 --> 00:09:34,049 Both on and off the pitch, 191 00:09:34,074 --> 00:09:36,209 the team were really on-song. 192 00:09:37,354 --> 00:09:40,179 # Liverpool FC is as hard as hell 193 00:09:40,204 --> 00:09:42,539 # United, Tottenham, Arsenal 194 00:09:42,564 --> 00:09:44,768 # Watched my lips and I will spell 195 00:09:44,793 --> 00:09:48,619 # Cos they don't just play but they can rap as well! # 196 00:09:48,644 --> 00:09:50,969 Every time there was a cup final, 197 00:09:50,994 --> 00:09:53,938 there was a song, and we wanted to do something different, 198 00:09:53,963 --> 00:09:56,209 so we used it as an excuse to go to a nightclub 199 00:09:56,234 --> 00:09:58,688 called Quadrant Park dressed up as rappers. 200 00:09:58,713 --> 00:10:00,850 Is this the real john Barnes we're seeing? This is the real 201 00:10:00,874 --> 00:10:02,850 John Barnes. I was a bit conservative when I first came 202 00:10:02,874 --> 00:10:04,050 to Liverpool but this is me now. 203 00:10:04,074 --> 00:10:05,379 So we're there from 12 o'clock. 204 00:10:05,404 --> 00:10:08,568 And by the time we're just about finishing it, it was opening 205 00:10:08,593 --> 00:10:11,329 to the public because it's a rave club. So because we're dressed 206 00:10:11,354 --> 00:10:13,898 like that, we said we might as well stay and enjoy ourselves. 207 00:10:13,923 --> 00:10:16,489 So we stayed and, you know, some people went home, some people 208 00:10:16,514 --> 00:10:19,129 stayed at the club. And, of course, with all the alcohol there, 209 00:10:19,154 --> 00:10:20,969 we enjoyed ourselves thoroughly. 210 00:10:25,613 --> 00:10:27,279 Even Kenny was on the video. 211 00:10:27,304 --> 00:10:29,459 He just went, "Oh, as if," and the song wasn't great. 212 00:10:29,484 --> 00:10:31,688 It stunk. And that's all you could get Kenny to do. 213 00:10:31,713 --> 00:10:34,018 We wanted Kenny to be involved. But Kenny was going, 214 00:10:34,043 --> 00:10:35,299 "No, I'm not going there." 215 00:10:35,324 --> 00:10:38,129 I think they should stick to playing football. Terrible! 216 00:10:38,154 --> 00:10:39,898 What do you think, Kenny? 217 00:10:39,923 --> 00:10:40,929 Oh, yeah! 218 00:10:43,434 --> 00:10:46,539 Liverpool had wrapped up the title and rapped their way 219 00:10:46,564 --> 00:10:47,659 to chart success. 220 00:10:47,684 --> 00:10:51,938 Now they just needed an FA Cup to create a unique treble. 221 00:10:53,344 --> 00:10:55,788 Sanchez was in there! And that's a goal for Wimbledon! 222 00:10:58,204 --> 00:11:01,619 The Crazy Gang have beaten the Culture Club! 223 00:11:01,644 --> 00:11:06,659 As giant killings go, this was a big one, but the following season, 224 00:11:06,684 --> 00:11:08,329 Liverpool did what they always did... 225 00:11:08,354 --> 00:11:10,898 Dusted themselves down and started again. 226 00:11:12,284 --> 00:11:14,969 It was the season no-one will ever forget. 227 00:11:14,994 --> 00:11:18,818 One that changed Liverpool — Both club and city — forever. 228 00:11:26,434 --> 00:11:28,409 In the history of Liverpool... 229 00:11:29,713 --> 00:11:30,768 ...Hillsborough... 230 00:11:32,564 --> 00:11:37,179 ...is unfortunately an important date. 231 00:11:38,564 --> 00:11:42,938 That day, 96 people die. 232 00:11:42,963 --> 00:11:47,018 People from Liverpool suffered, 233 00:11:47,043 --> 00:11:48,559 they were hurt. 234 00:11:50,014 --> 00:11:52,299 It's difficult to explain to people. 235 00:11:53,684 --> 00:11:59,099 You go out and you go to a football match and it's supposed to be... 236 00:11:59,124 --> 00:12:00,539 It's supposed to be fun. 237 00:12:02,043 --> 00:12:05,209 The first inclination I got was two guys come on the pitch 238 00:12:05,234 --> 00:12:06,659 and I go to them. 239 00:12:06,684 --> 00:12:08,409 I say, "You'll get us in trouble here," 240 00:12:08,434 --> 00:12:10,179 and the guy looked at me, and he says... 241 00:12:10,204 --> 00:12:13,739 You could tell the sadness in his eyes 242 00:12:13,764 --> 00:12:16,708 He wasn't making it up. He says, "Al, there's people dying in there." 243 00:12:16,733 --> 00:12:19,989 And there are fans on the pitch here in the six-yard area. 244 00:12:20,014 --> 00:12:22,539 The referee's going to have to stop the game. 245 00:12:22,564 --> 00:12:24,379 There's an overflow behind the goal. 246 00:12:24,404 --> 00:12:27,329 And the police inspector's on the pitch. 247 00:12:29,434 --> 00:12:32,129 The only time I was aware there was a problem, 248 00:12:32,154 --> 00:12:35,018 I've seen people pushed up against the fence and they looked 249 00:12:35,043 --> 00:12:37,898 so uncomfortable and I was, like, that doesn't look right. 250 00:12:37,923 --> 00:12:42,849 Memories, of, you know, trying to pull people up to the other layer, 251 00:12:42,874 --> 00:12:45,568 and fans putting bodies onto hoardings 252 00:12:45,593 --> 00:12:47,768 and running across the pitch with them. 253 00:12:48,994 --> 00:12:50,329 Just.“ 254 00:12:50,354 --> 00:12:53,299 ...transfixed, really, by the horror of it all. 255 00:12:54,843 --> 00:12:57,018 It's been a black day for football on a sunny afternoon 256 00:12:57,043 --> 00:12:58,489 at Hillsborough, Sheffield. 257 00:12:58,514 --> 00:13:01,459 No fewer than 93 football supporters died. 258 00:13:01,484 --> 00:13:03,609 On a day of such momentous tragedy, 259 00:13:03,634 --> 00:13:06,329 our sympathies go to the families of those concerned. 260 00:13:08,434 --> 00:13:12,048 My son, who died at Hillsborough, 261 00:13:12,073 --> 00:13:14,239 he was a keen Liverpool supporter. 262 00:13:16,024 --> 00:13:19,529 It's the worst kind of grief that anyone can go through, 263 00:13:19,554 --> 00:13:22,159 is to lose a child. 264 00:13:24,514 --> 00:13:26,999 We all thought about, what's the point? 265 00:13:27,024 --> 00:13:29,249 What's the point of going to a football match if things 266 00:13:29,274 --> 00:13:30,598 like that are going to happen? 267 00:13:30,623 --> 00:13:34,999 A lot of us thought about possibly packing up, doing something else. 268 00:13:36,714 --> 00:13:41,359 I think it had an enormous effect on the club and on individuals... 269 00:13:41,384 --> 00:13:44,489 Particularly on Kenny, I think. 270 00:13:44,514 --> 00:13:47,079 Kenny's face was... 271 00:13:47,104 --> 00:13:50,329 I can always see it, just the grief 272 00:13:50,354 --> 00:13:54,409 in his face. And he's carried that responsibility. 273 00:13:54,434 --> 00:13:56,409 I think he went to every funeral. 274 00:13:57,714 --> 00:13:59,689 He had to be like a social worker. 275 00:13:59,714 --> 00:14:02,718 He wasn't trained for that. 276 00:14:02,743 --> 00:14:06,249 For Kenny, personally, we owe a great debt... 277 00:14:07,384 --> 00:14:11,249 ...because he was so comforting to all the families. 278 00:14:20,384 --> 00:14:23,239 It was quite a scary moment when you know that these people whose loved 279 00:14:23,264 --> 00:14:25,640 ones had gone to a football match and are now dead — and this is, 280 00:14:25,664 --> 00:14:27,879 I don't know, two weeks later, probably not even that, 281 00:14:27,904 --> 00:14:29,719 where they're going to come. Cos if that was me, 282 00:14:29,743 --> 00:14:31,330 I wouldn't want to go to a football stadium. 283 00:14:31,354 --> 00:14:34,889 I thought... I still get emotional thinking of it. 284 00:14:36,264 --> 00:14:39,409 I thought it wasn't my place to meet Kenny. 285 00:14:39,434 --> 00:14:41,639 It was my son's place to have met Kenny. 286 00:14:41,664 --> 00:14:44,359 It wasn't my... my place. 287 00:14:44,384 --> 00:14:46,439 I didn't go to the football. 288 00:14:46,464 --> 00:14:48,439 James did. 289 00:14:48,464 --> 00:14:50,999 And I just felt very guilty. 290 00:14:51,024 --> 00:14:54,079 I just wanted my son to have met Kenny. 291 00:14:54,104 --> 00:14:56,240 And so many of them were coming into the players' lounge 292 00:14:56,264 --> 00:14:57,439 and they were going, 293 00:14:57,464 --> 00:15:00,359 "| can't believe that I'm here with Kenny Dalglish and John Barnes," 294 00:15:00,384 --> 00:15:03,639 and, whoever they lost, "If they could see me now in the lounge 295 00:15:03,664 --> 00:15:05,798 "with my heroes, they would just be loving it." 296 00:15:05,823 --> 00:15:08,569 And that showed how much their club means to them. 297 00:15:08,594 --> 00:15:12,249 That really made a huge impression on my understanding, 298 00:15:12,274 --> 00:15:14,409 which I already had after a year, 299 00:15:14,434 --> 00:15:17,129 of the relationship between the club and the fans. 300 00:15:17,154 --> 00:15:20,609 I often wonder, what support did THEY get? 301 00:15:20,634 --> 00:15:25,569 They were giving it to us, but what support did THEY get? 302 00:15:41,634 --> 00:15:45,798 I went to the cup final just shortly afterwards and it seemed so right 303 00:15:45,823 --> 00:15:47,489 that we were playing Everton. 304 00:15:48,634 --> 00:15:51,409 Obviously it is a cup final, but no doubt the players, 305 00:15:51,434 --> 00:15:54,519 too, are keenly aware of the circumstances of this 306 00:15:54,544 --> 00:15:57,359 particular match, which they're now walking out to play. 307 00:15:59,234 --> 00:16:01,279 It was fitting that it was a Merseyside cup final, 308 00:16:01,304 --> 00:16:04,000 because, don't forget, Evertonians would have lost brothers and cousins 309 00:16:04,024 --> 00:16:05,689 and loved ones in that, as well. 310 00:16:05,714 --> 00:16:09,609 What was great about it is it was a coming together of the city. 311 00:16:09,634 --> 00:16:12,239 It was a very, very emotional day. 312 00:16:12,264 --> 00:16:16,879 In memory of the victims of the Hillsborough disaster... 313 00:16:16,904 --> 00:16:20,569 There was a minute's silence before the game 314 00:16:20,594 --> 00:16:23,048 and I couldn't handle it. 315 00:16:23,073 --> 00:16:27,279 I went downstairs and basically stood in the toilets. 316 00:16:29,234 --> 00:16:31,848 I'd rather do my crying there than upstairs. 317 00:16:34,514 --> 00:16:35,848 McMahon. Barnes. 318 00:16:38,304 --> 00:16:39,639 Rush! 319 00:16:39,664 --> 00:16:40,848 Goa“. 320 00:16:43,823 --> 00:16:45,249 3-2, Liverpool. 321 00:16:45,274 --> 00:16:47,239 Ian Rush gets his second. 322 00:16:48,714 --> 00:16:50,519 And this now becomes one of the most 323 00:16:50,544 --> 00:16:53,209 dramatic FA Cup finals of recent times. 324 00:16:55,873 --> 00:16:59,359 So much emotion, joy and sorrow. 325 00:16:59,384 --> 00:17:02,718 I mean, just... an extraordinary day. 326 00:17:03,794 --> 00:17:08,359 And Liverpool have won the FA Cup, the first leg of the double 327 00:17:08,384 --> 00:17:10,209 and perhaps softened the pain that 328 00:17:10,234 --> 00:17:12,889 so many of their supports have been through recently. 329 00:17:14,384 --> 00:17:17,519 And in a fine, dramatic final, surely lifted the spirits 330 00:17:17,544 --> 00:17:20,848 of a whole city... and of the game of football. 331 00:17:23,073 --> 00:17:26,778 I always believed that that should have been the year 332 00:17:26,803 --> 00:17:29,489 that the FA Cup wasn't played for. 333 00:17:29,514 --> 00:17:33,139 I thought it'd be nice as a legacy for the 96, 334 00:17:33,164 --> 00:17:36,419 but now I think back and reflect on it all, 335 00:17:36,444 --> 00:17:38,419 yeah, it was good for the fans, maybe. 336 00:17:38,444 --> 00:17:40,339 Good for the city. 337 00:17:41,644 --> 00:17:45,539 Just six days after having won the cup, Liverpool played Arsenal 338 00:17:45,564 --> 00:17:48,389 at Anfield, hoping to win the double. 339 00:17:48,414 --> 00:17:52,189 All they needed to do was avoid losing by more than one goal. 340 00:17:53,364 --> 00:17:54,749 And Thomas goes inside Nicol! 341 00:17:54,774 --> 00:17:56,109 And Thomas is there! 342 00:17:56,134 --> 00:17:58,749 And Thomas has scored for Arsenal! 343 00:17:58,774 --> 00:18:02,749 And Arsenal have won the Championship here at Anfield. 344 00:18:05,494 --> 00:18:08,898 On the Kop that night, when it went in, there was shock and then 345 00:18:08,923 --> 00:18:11,698 someone — a voice further back — Just said, 346 00:18:11,723 --> 00:18:14,139 "You know what? Worse things happen." 347 00:18:15,134 --> 00:18:16,778 It was one of those strange things. 348 00:18:16,803 --> 00:18:18,828 It was a moment that broke the misery, 349 00:18:18,853 --> 00:18:20,669 broke the depth of misery. 350 00:18:20,694 --> 00:18:23,469 # ..with hope in your heart 351 00:18:23,494 --> 00:18:28,109 # And you'll never walk alone... # 352 00:18:32,334 --> 00:18:36,869 It had been the most turbulent of seasons, but the supporters now 353 00:18:36,894 --> 00:18:39,419 had a bigger battle to deal with... 354 00:18:39,444 --> 00:18:43,419 The truth of what happened at Hillsborough had yet to be told. 355 00:18:43,444 --> 00:18:47,028 It was a fight that would last decades. 356 00:18:47,053 --> 00:18:48,229 It's not unusual 357 00:18:48,254 --> 00:18:51,859 in the history of Liverpool for its people to become 358 00:18:51,884 --> 00:18:57,469 folk devils, for the media to exaggerate and, frankly, 359 00:18:57,494 --> 00:18:59,589 lie about their behaviour. 360 00:18:59,614 --> 00:19:01,589 Well, we all know it was a... 361 00:19:01,614 --> 00:19:02,948 SHE CLEARS HER THROAT 362 00:19:02,973 --> 00:19:06,419 There's a certain newspaper that we'll never forgive 363 00:19:06,444 --> 00:19:11,539 and to have them headlines that your fans urinated on the dead, 364 00:19:11,564 --> 00:19:14,619 robbed the dead, kicked the police 365 00:19:14,644 --> 00:19:17,669 when they were trying to give CPR. 366 00:19:17,694 --> 00:19:19,749 People believed this, 367 00:19:19,774 --> 00:19:22,778 and... this has haunted us ever since. 368 00:19:22,803 --> 00:19:27,948 And for the families of the dead, for the survivors, 369 00:19:27,973 --> 00:19:33,469 for the witnesses, it's been an extra layer of... 370 00:19:33,494 --> 00:19:35,948 HE EXHALES 371 00:19:35,973 --> 00:19:37,419 ...misery. 372 00:19:37,444 --> 00:19:39,619 And that really, really got to me, 373 00:19:39,644 --> 00:19:42,828 and I thought... At that time, straight away, I thought, 374 00:19:42,853 --> 00:19:44,898 "We've got a fight on our hands." 375 00:19:46,494 --> 00:19:50,229 Both club and supporters were united in this fight. 376 00:19:50,254 --> 00:19:53,828 The players knew that creating memories on the pitch might help. 377 00:19:53,853 --> 00:19:58,469 The next season, they regrouped and challenged for the title again. 378 00:19:58,494 --> 00:20:01,419 And that could mean that the championship goes to Anfield 379 00:20:01,444 --> 00:20:03,179 for the 18th time. 380 00:20:03,204 --> 00:20:06,749 Well, there are scenes of delight all around Anfield. 381 00:20:06,774 --> 00:20:10,948 The Kop alive with passion and emotion. 382 00:20:10,973 --> 00:20:14,179 I remember the presentation ceremony in 1990 and looking 383 00:20:14,204 --> 00:20:18,139 down at Alan Hansen, who was struggling to get comfy. 384 00:20:18,164 --> 00:20:22,148 He couldn't stand or kneel for the photographs. 385 00:20:22,173 --> 00:20:26,059 In the end, he went and got behind somebody and leaned on him. 386 00:20:26,084 --> 00:20:27,669 His knees had gone. 387 00:20:27,694 --> 00:20:30,499 I knew that was literally the end of an era 388 00:20:30,524 --> 00:20:31,619 in more ways than one. 389 00:20:33,134 --> 00:20:35,179 They were mentally worn down. 390 00:20:35,204 --> 00:20:38,589 And I think that sense of not coming to terms 391 00:20:38,614 --> 00:20:42,339 with your experiences and the mental burdens that come 392 00:20:42,364 --> 00:20:45,698 with that...| think were apparent that year. 393 00:20:47,334 --> 00:20:49,539 Every experience leaves its mark. 394 00:20:50,774 --> 00:20:53,469 Having been a focal point for not just the club, 395 00:20:53,494 --> 00:20:56,818 but at times what felt like the entire city, 396 00:20:56,843 --> 00:21:00,898 Kenny — King Kenny — decided he could reign no more. 397 00:21:03,774 --> 00:21:06,389 The biggest problem was... 398 00:21:06,414 --> 00:21:07,749 ...was the pressure... 399 00:21:10,004 --> 00:21:11,698 ...| was putting myself under... 400 00:21:13,494 --> 00:21:16,179 ...because of my desire to be successful. 401 00:21:17,334 --> 00:21:19,028 Hillsborough took its toll on Kenny. 402 00:21:19,053 --> 00:21:21,979 I mean, if you look at the picture of Kenny the day he retired, 403 00:21:22,004 --> 00:21:24,778 and he goes to Florida, comes back six weeks later, 404 00:21:24,803 --> 00:21:26,059 it's a different man. 405 00:21:26,084 --> 00:21:28,109 It's a different — Totally different — man. 406 00:21:28,134 --> 00:21:29,389 See ya, Ken. Ta—ra, lads. 407 00:21:31,254 --> 00:21:36,669 So the realisation later on that what he was suffering with was... 408 00:21:38,284 --> 00:21:39,948 ...kind of the same thing... 409 00:21:41,084 --> 00:21:45,509 ...that I personally — and lots of others like me — were suffering. 410 00:21:45,534 --> 00:21:47,749 Grief is the only way I can describe it. 411 00:21:49,614 --> 00:21:53,749 I was quite devastated, actually, because you always wonder, 412 00:21:53,774 --> 00:21:58,148 who's going to be the next manager? Will they understand how we feel? 413 00:21:58,173 --> 00:22:01,339 But at the same time, we understood it. 414 00:22:01,364 --> 00:22:04,259 We understood why he had... he resigned. 415 00:22:05,894 --> 00:22:08,979 It couldn't have been predicted at the time, but Dalglish leaving 416 00:22:09,004 --> 00:22:10,669 was the end of an era. 417 00:22:10,694 --> 00:22:14,669 His departure led to the Great Red Drought. 418 00:22:17,053 --> 00:22:19,898 The club continued their tried and trusted method. 419 00:22:19,923 --> 00:22:23,869 When the manager left, the successor was always one of their own. 420 00:22:23,894 --> 00:22:26,509 You're Graeme Souness, aren't ya? 421 00:22:26,534 --> 00:22:27,539 Yeah. 422 00:22:29,004 --> 00:22:30,898 You look like me. 423 00:22:30,923 --> 00:22:31,948 Oh. aye'? 424 00:22:34,444 --> 00:22:36,698 Now it was the turn of Graeme Souness, 425 00:22:36,723 --> 00:22:39,179 who'd left the club as a player a year before 426 00:22:39,204 --> 00:22:42,229 the Heysel tragedy, and had success as Rangers manager. 427 00:22:42,254 --> 00:22:44,948 Well, of course, everybody was delighted when Graeme Souness came 428 00:22:44,973 --> 00:22:47,259 because it was a Liverpool promotion. 429 00:22:47,284 --> 00:22:48,869 Souness! 430 00:22:50,694 --> 00:22:52,669 Souness plays the gap behind the defence. 431 00:22:52,694 --> 00:22:54,109 And gets in! 432 00:22:55,414 --> 00:22:58,669 He was distanced from the disaster. 433 00:22:58,694 --> 00:23:02,059 He'd come in and restore a sense of perspective. 434 00:23:02,084 --> 00:23:06,059 A lot was changing in terms of the food, the diets, 435 00:23:06,084 --> 00:23:08,778 the nutrition, which was all coming into football anyway. 436 00:23:10,644 --> 00:23:13,669 Liverpool were renowned as the biggest drinkers in the league. 437 00:23:13,694 --> 00:23:16,148 They said, "You live your life how you want to live your life. 438 00:23:16,173 --> 00:23:17,870 "If you've got to be hungover, you be hungover, 439 00:23:17,894 --> 00:23:18,979 "but you train properly." 440 00:23:19,004 --> 00:23:21,060 And having been part of it — And there were still players 441 00:23:21,084 --> 00:23:24,869 who knew he was part of it there — He wanted to change it and stop it. 442 00:23:24,894 --> 00:23:27,818 Stop them getting blind drunk every night. 443 00:23:27,843 --> 00:23:29,669 They didn't like it. 444 00:23:32,614 --> 00:23:36,979 I think it was actually probably too early in his managerial career 445 00:23:37,004 --> 00:23:39,778 because he came to Liverpool and he let one or two players 446 00:23:39,803 --> 00:23:41,539 go too early. 447 00:23:41,564 --> 00:23:44,339 When I was a player, there was only one club to play for, and when 448 00:23:44,364 --> 00:23:46,590 someone comes to me and says, "Well, I'd rather be somewhere else," 449 00:23:46,614 --> 00:23:48,870 that was it. It was back them out. It was finished. Let's go. 450 00:23:48,894 --> 00:23:50,898 Let's get them out the door as quickly as possible. 451 00:23:50,923 --> 00:23:52,180 That was the big mistake I made. 452 00:23:52,204 --> 00:23:54,948 One of the things Liverpool did really well over the years, 453 00:23:54,973 --> 00:23:57,179 they'd always buy from a position of strength. 454 00:23:57,204 --> 00:24:00,789 They'd always bring in new players when they were successful. 455 00:24:00,814 --> 00:24:03,749 After Hillsborough, they lost their way in that area as well. 456 00:24:03,774 --> 00:24:06,309 And it got to the stage whereby the only two senior players left 457 00:24:06,334 --> 00:24:08,139 who had been there were me and Rushy, 458 00:24:08,164 --> 00:24:10,620 so you had a lot of young players and a lot of new players coming in, 459 00:24:10,644 --> 00:24:13,179 so the Liverpool way wasn't there any more. 460 00:24:17,614 --> 00:24:20,509 Performances on the pitch began to suffer. 461 00:24:20,534 --> 00:24:23,619 Liverpool were no longer title contenders, though they did 462 00:24:23,644 --> 00:24:26,539 win the FA Cup in 1992. 463 00:24:26,564 --> 00:24:27,750 Thomas through the middle again. 464 00:24:27,774 --> 00:24:28,948 Michael Thomas. 465 00:24:28,973 --> 00:24:30,229 Rush! 466 00:24:30,254 --> 00:24:31,669 2-0, Liverpool. 467 00:24:33,614 --> 00:24:36,309 Liverpool win the FA Cup for the fifth time 468 00:24:36,334 --> 00:24:38,619 And in their centenary year, as well. 469 00:24:40,164 --> 00:24:42,948 The priorities, as always, for Liverpool Football Club 470 00:24:42,973 --> 00:24:45,179 will be the First Division championship next season 471 00:24:45,204 --> 00:24:47,340 and, from that point of view, they'd a bad season this season. 472 00:24:47,364 --> 00:24:48,869 They finished sixth. 473 00:24:53,534 --> 00:24:56,339 What struck me was, yes, OK, we're losing games — and from a winning 474 00:24:56,364 --> 00:24:59,229 mentality point of view — but, more importantly, things that were 475 00:24:59,254 --> 00:25:00,619 happening in training. 476 00:25:00,644 --> 00:25:03,148 And that was a problem at Liverpool — the way we were preparing 477 00:25:03,173 --> 00:25:04,589 Monday to Friday. 478 00:25:04,614 --> 00:25:08,948 And in many respects, to be fair to Graeme, a lot of it then became 479 00:25:08,973 --> 00:25:11,589 if we lost, who's going to get the blame? 480 00:25:14,814 --> 00:25:17,619 His commitment and his passion for Liverpool is unbelievable, 481 00:25:17,644 --> 00:25:20,059 but because he's committed and passionate about Liverpool, 482 00:25:20,084 --> 00:25:21,980 it doesn't mean he's the right guy to run the team. 483 00:25:22,004 --> 00:25:23,898 He said he loves Liverpool, OK? 484 00:25:23,923 --> 00:25:25,979 So if he does, he should go. 485 00:25:26,004 --> 00:25:29,509 It wasn't a nice atmosphere towards the end. 486 00:25:29,534 --> 00:25:34,539 It was a very conflicting and confrontational atmosphere. 487 00:25:34,564 --> 00:25:38,179 By tradition, Liverpool had always stood by their managers, but poor 488 00:25:38,204 --> 00:25:40,889 league performances, compounded with an FA Cup defeat 489 00:25:40,914 --> 00:25:44,559 to Division One side Bristol City, put an end to all that. 490 00:25:44,584 --> 00:25:48,809 Great delight for them, but you just wonder what this might have done 491 00:25:48,834 --> 00:25:50,999 to Liverpool's season. 492 00:25:52,073 --> 00:25:55,889 I am extremely sorry to have to announce that Graeme Souness 493 00:25:55,914 --> 00:25:59,559 has offered his resignation from the post of team manager. 494 00:25:59,584 --> 00:26:02,838 The results in the league and the domestic European Cup 495 00:26:02,863 --> 00:26:06,999 competitions have been well below what is expected by the club 496 00:26:07,024 --> 00:26:08,359 and the supporters. 497 00:26:15,384 --> 00:26:20,279 The dawn of the Premier League in 1992 heralded a glitzy, modern, 498 00:26:20,304 --> 00:26:22,359 more brand-aware world for football. 499 00:26:22,384 --> 00:26:25,119 It's a chance, really, to get the structure of professional 500 00:26:25,144 --> 00:26:26,640 football right for the next hundred years. 501 00:26:26,664 --> 00:26:28,480 We'll never have another opportunity like this. 502 00:26:28,504 --> 00:26:32,329 I think, in some ways, Liverpool got left behind off the pitch. 503 00:26:32,354 --> 00:26:35,889 With the riches that came into the Premier League, 504 00:26:35,914 --> 00:26:40,249 Manchester United, for example, ended up as a listed company, 505 00:26:40,274 --> 00:26:43,279 just when there was a bit of a revolution off the pitch, 506 00:26:43,304 --> 00:26:47,079 and maybe Liverpool got caught a little bit napping in that sense. 507 00:26:47,104 --> 00:26:49,838 Bruce! Yes! 508 00:26:49,863 --> 00:26:52,718 Not only were United stealing a march off the pitch, 509 00:26:52,743 --> 00:26:54,889 they were miles ahead on it. 510 00:26:54,914 --> 00:26:58,168 Their Great Red Drought was being washed away by a crop 511 00:26:58,193 --> 00:27:02,168 of talented youngsters and a very modest Frenchman. 512 00:27:02,193 --> 00:27:06,168 They won trophy after trophy, and it was all masterminded 513 00:27:06,193 --> 00:27:09,798 by their own Scottish alchemist, Sir Alex Ferguson. 514 00:27:13,664 --> 00:27:17,759 Liverpool's strategy to combat all of this change was to do exactly 515 00:27:17,784 --> 00:27:19,609 what they'd always done. 516 00:27:19,634 --> 00:27:23,329 They promoted Roy Evans from assistant to manager. 517 00:27:23,354 --> 00:27:24,918 Good morning. 518 00:27:24,943 --> 00:27:28,759 So I suppose it's, erm... We're back to basics, I suppose, in a way. 519 00:27:30,384 --> 00:27:32,999 But maybe that's the way we should be going. 520 00:27:33,024 --> 00:27:34,280 I think it would be silly to say, 521 00:27:34,304 --> 00:27:36,529 "Well, I've take the job and now be afraid of it." 522 00:27:36,554 --> 00:27:40,968 I think it's nice to have your own destiny in your own hands. 523 00:27:40,993 --> 00:27:43,048 And then I went home and I thought, 524 00:27:43,073 --> 00:27:45,718 "Cor, blimey, I've just said I want to be the manager of Liverpool. 525 00:27:45,743 --> 00:27:49,889 "At the end of the day, everything now is down to me, I suppose." 526 00:27:49,914 --> 00:27:52,119 For the first week or so you think, 527 00:27:52,144 --> 00:27:54,279 "Oh, God, what's this going to be like?" 528 00:27:54,304 --> 00:27:55,479 OK? All right. 529 00:27:55,504 --> 00:27:57,690 And don't start off with anything about "Liverpool are on fire". 530 00:27:57,714 --> 00:28:00,168 No, no, no. LAUGHTER 531 00:28:00,193 --> 00:28:04,088 Evans inherited Liverpool's own crop of brilliant young players. 532 00:28:04,113 --> 00:28:08,479 Steve McManaman, jamie Redknapp and a superstar local striker. 533 00:28:09,634 --> 00:28:11,689 It's Robbie Fowler. It's three. 534 00:28:13,384 --> 00:28:14,968 I loved him as a manager. 535 00:28:14,993 --> 00:28:16,639 The belief he instilled into the players, 536 00:28:16,664 --> 00:28:18,088 I think was quite frightening. 537 00:28:18,113 --> 00:28:20,968 McManaman. Fowler. 538 00:28:20,993 --> 00:28:22,359 McManaman. 539 00:28:22,384 --> 00:28:24,119 It's a glorious goal! 540 00:28:25,743 --> 00:28:27,718 No qualms at all with Roy Evans. 541 00:28:27,743 --> 00:28:31,168 We got on really well and, of course, he gave me my debut, 542 00:28:31,193 --> 00:28:32,399 put a lot of faith in me. 543 00:28:36,104 --> 00:28:38,329 Evans reinstated the Liverpool tradition 544 00:28:38,354 --> 00:28:40,399 of having fun off the pitch. 545 00:28:40,424 --> 00:28:43,609 Socially, them clays, the players could go out occasionally, 546 00:28:43,634 --> 00:28:44,718 have a drink. 547 00:28:44,743 --> 00:28:46,079 I had no problem with that. 548 00:28:49,943 --> 00:28:53,291 I didn't really take much notice of, you know, what the press were saying 549 00:28:53,316 --> 00:28:55,851 about, you know, they go out drinking and things like that. 550 00:28:59,236 --> 00:29:01,212 It was like, "Come on, we're having a lads' day out. 551 00:29:01,236 --> 00:29:02,651 "We're all going to the races." 552 00:29:02,676 --> 00:29:05,601 And you had to go. It wasn't sort of... an option. 553 00:29:05,626 --> 00:29:06,961 CHEERING 554 00:29:09,316 --> 00:29:13,361 The Spice Boys, they certainly never packed away the sort of 555 00:29:13,386 --> 00:29:16,571 number of pints that the predecessors did, 556 00:29:16,596 --> 00:29:20,321 but they were into a different sort of lifestyle. 557 00:29:20,346 --> 00:29:24,130 We obviously went out and we enjoyed ourselves, but we went out 558 00:29:24,155 --> 00:29:26,361 and enjoyed ourselves at the right time. 559 00:29:26,386 --> 00:29:29,130 I think the fact is that we never won the league but, you know, 560 00:29:29,155 --> 00:29:31,851 it wasn't through the lack of trying or the want of trying. 561 00:29:31,876 --> 00:29:34,651 We were just a little bit unfortunate that there was another 562 00:29:34,676 --> 00:29:38,321 team just down the road who were probably slightly better than us. 563 00:29:41,705 --> 00:29:43,361 Nice suits, those, aren't they? 564 00:29:43,386 --> 00:29:46,571 See the pockets? Look at the back of... 565 00:29:46,596 --> 00:29:49,261 I mean, I won't throw the blame on anyone but, 566 00:29:49,286 --> 00:29:52,981 you know, at the time, David James was a model for Armani. 567 00:29:53,006 --> 00:29:57,591 I don't think we were the first team who's ever wore dodgy suits. 568 00:29:57,616 --> 00:29:59,341 I'm in my 30s, I think, 569 00:29:59,366 --> 00:30:01,900 "Well, I'd like a nice little blue Armani suit 570 00:30:01,925 --> 00:30:03,341 "because I'm going to retire 571 00:30:03,366 --> 00:30:06,791 "and if I have an Armani suit, I can wear it till I'm 50." 572 00:30:06,816 --> 00:30:08,355 Watch out for your pens, please, 573 00:30:08,380 --> 00:30:10,967 because you can see the white suit... 574 00:30:10,992 --> 00:30:12,006 Move that pen. 575 00:30:12,031 --> 00:30:13,857 Uh-uh. No. 576 00:30:13,882 --> 00:30:16,777 But, of course, I got outvoted. 577 00:30:19,352 --> 00:30:21,447 Scholes in the six—yard area. 578 00:30:21,472 --> 00:30:23,297 Five behind. 579 00:30:23,322 --> 00:30:25,327 James gets there, just first. 580 00:30:25,352 --> 00:30:26,367 Cantona! 581 00:30:30,882 --> 00:30:34,527 Massively disappointed in terms of how it turned out. 582 00:30:34,552 --> 00:30:37,217 If I was to go back in my career and I could change one result, 583 00:30:37,242 --> 00:30:39,607 I think that would be the one. 584 00:30:39,632 --> 00:30:43,967 Dodgy suits aside, Liverpool did manage to turn on the style 585 00:30:43,992 --> 00:30:45,967 the following season, but they just 586 00:30:45,992 --> 00:30:48,217 missed out on a Champions League place. 587 00:30:48,242 --> 00:30:51,727 With only one League Cup in Roy's trophy cabinet, 588 00:30:51,752 --> 00:30:55,297 the media spotlight began to focus on the man in charge. 589 00:30:55,322 --> 00:30:58,577 How would you describe yourself, Roy? What sort of a man are you? 590 00:30:58,602 --> 00:31:00,367 They've always called me Steady Eddie 591 00:31:00,392 --> 00:31:02,136 and I suppose that's about right, really. 592 00:31:02,161 --> 00:31:04,936 I don't go too far from the middle line. 593 00:31:04,961 --> 00:31:07,577 Come out if you want. Come out if you want! 594 00:31:07,602 --> 00:31:10,607 Roy did a really, really good job. 595 00:31:10,632 --> 00:31:13,806 He just couldn't quite, you know, win the big one. 596 00:31:13,831 --> 00:31:16,136 It always seemed to have eluded him. 597 00:31:16,161 --> 00:31:19,167 And I think, if anything, with him, he was — and I hate this phrase, 598 00:31:19,192 --> 00:31:21,497 but I'm going to use it — He was too nice. 599 00:31:21,522 --> 00:31:22,887 Stand up, Robbie, stand up, Robbie. 600 00:31:22,911 --> 00:31:24,047 Well done, well done. 601 00:31:24,072 --> 00:31:25,806 No, I disagree with this, to be honest. 602 00:31:25,831 --> 00:31:29,087 Regardless of what anyone says about Roy, 603 00:31:29,112 --> 00:31:31,727 I always thought he was a tough manager. 604 00:31:31,752 --> 00:31:34,217 You know, there's loads of different ways to skin a cat 605 00:31:34,242 --> 00:31:37,577 and Roy Evans was absolutely... very, very good manager, 606 00:31:37,602 --> 00:31:42,136 and Liverpool could have won the league under his tutelage. 607 00:31:42,161 --> 00:31:44,857 Get it, Macca, get it, Macca, get it, Macca, get it, Macca. 608 00:31:44,882 --> 00:31:45,967 Good tackle, there. 609 00:31:45,992 --> 00:31:47,777 LAUGHTER 610 00:31:52,442 --> 00:31:56,247 In '98, we felt that we were going to have to make a tough decision, 611 00:31:56,272 --> 00:32:01,527 make a change, because top of the table is where we wanted to be 612 00:32:01,552 --> 00:32:04,886 and... that's when the decision was taken to bring 613 00:32:04,911 --> 00:32:07,607 in Gerard Houllier. 614 00:32:07,632 --> 00:32:11,886 That was my idea initially because I thought that Roy Evans had done 615 00:32:11,911 --> 00:32:14,047 a good job and I thought it was unfair, 616 00:32:14,072 --> 00:32:18,136 so I said we can have some kind of joint management. 617 00:32:18,161 --> 00:32:21,167 A big decision taken together. 618 00:32:21,192 --> 00:32:23,087 Sometimes it's just minor things. 619 00:32:23,112 --> 00:32:25,167 Either Roy or... 620 00:32:25,192 --> 00:32:27,247 We won't be doing this every week together... 621 00:32:27,272 --> 00:32:29,527 Some weeks I'll do it, some weeks Gerard will do it... 622 00:32:29,552 --> 00:32:32,247 But there's got to be some benefits to it somewhere! 623 00:32:32,272 --> 00:32:34,367 It was a bold step for Liverpool to take. 624 00:32:34,392 --> 00:32:38,287 Maybe it was a case of, can we minimise the risk 625 00:32:38,312 --> 00:32:42,447 by having a degree of compromise? 626 00:32:43,522 --> 00:32:47,087 It might have been a bold move to begin with, but as soon as results 627 00:32:47,112 --> 00:32:51,247 started dropping off, there was a sense that, as far as managers go, 628 00:32:51,272 --> 00:32:53,806 it is better to walk alone. 629 00:32:53,831 --> 00:32:56,136 You've got to have one man making the decisions... 630 00:32:56,161 --> 00:32:58,447 Whether it's substitutions, team selection, 631 00:32:58,472 --> 00:33:01,607 leaving people out or whatever — So one man should be in charge. 632 00:33:01,632 --> 00:33:03,367 You can't do it by committee? No. 633 00:33:03,392 --> 00:33:05,287 If you call people joint managers... 634 00:33:06,472 --> 00:33:09,886 ...then...from that start then, you're going to have a problem. 635 00:33:11,112 --> 00:33:14,037 It's not a matter of personality 636 00:33:14,062 --> 00:33:16,287 between Roy and myself. 637 00:33:16,312 --> 00:33:19,727 I think he's a very nice man, very nice person. 638 00:33:19,752 --> 00:33:21,887 Obviously he's not my favourite man in the whole world, 639 00:33:21,911 --> 00:33:23,886 but that's... that's... that's life. 640 00:33:23,911 --> 00:33:26,217 But I don't blame him in any shape or form. 641 00:33:26,242 --> 00:33:30,857 "Today is a sad day for Liverpool Football Club and for me personally 642 00:33:30,882 --> 00:33:34,447 "as I have to inform you that we have agreed, by mutual consent, 643 00:33:34,472 --> 00:33:37,367 "that Roy Evans and his assistant, Doug Livermore, 644 00:33:37,392 --> 00:33:38,967 "are to leave the club." 645 00:33:40,352 --> 00:33:43,056 He's not somebody who would knife you in the back, you know, he's... 646 00:33:45,472 --> 00:33:48,777 Really, it's because the situation doesn't fit. 647 00:33:50,831 --> 00:33:52,307 I love the bones of this place. 648 00:33:52,332 --> 00:33:55,666 It's been everything to me and I've been delighted to work here 649 00:33:55,691 --> 00:33:59,287 and I appreciate all the help I've had. 650 00:33:59,312 --> 00:34:01,727 In football, sometimes it's a ruthless business. 651 00:34:01,752 --> 00:34:03,686 Sometimes you have to look after yourself 652 00:34:03,711 --> 00:34:07,167 and, possibly, he was better at doing that than me. 653 00:34:15,362 --> 00:34:17,497 The board was very good to me. 654 00:34:18,552 --> 00:34:24,697 They said, "We don't have all the qualities in the world. 655 00:34:24,722 --> 00:34:28,727 "There's one virtue that we have — we are patient. 656 00:34:28,752 --> 00:34:31,607 "Take your time. Do what you have to do. 657 00:34:31,632 --> 00:34:32,926 "We'll back you." 658 00:34:32,951 --> 00:34:36,676 I came back to my staff and I said, "Now I know we're going to win." 659 00:34:38,081 --> 00:34:40,926 I think there was an acceptance that the culture of the club needed to 660 00:34:40,951 --> 00:34:42,926 change by the players. 661 00:34:42,951 --> 00:34:47,217 The players who had resisted were largely got rid of 662 00:34:47,242 --> 00:34:51,527 and you could see the development of players like Michael Owen, 663 00:34:51,552 --> 00:34:54,167 you know, Steven, Carragher. 664 00:34:54,192 --> 00:34:57,886 For Liverpool, number 28 is Steven Gerard. 665 00:34:57,911 --> 00:35:00,217 In an under—19 game, 666 00:35:00,242 --> 00:35:02,607 Steve Heighway asked me to go and see... 667 00:35:04,161 --> 00:35:07,217 ...a player playing on the right. 668 00:35:07,242 --> 00:35:12,130 The guy who caught my eye that day was Steven Gerrard. 669 00:35:12,155 --> 00:35:15,672 And he was in the middle of the park going from box to box, tackling, 670 00:35:15,697 --> 00:35:22,243 shouting, showing some leadership quality despite his young age, 671 00:35:22,268 --> 00:35:25,493 so I decided to take him with me the next day. 672 00:35:28,878 --> 00:35:33,163 Birmingham City and Liverpool! 673 00:35:33,188 --> 00:35:36,213 2001 was, I think, a tremendous year. 674 00:35:36,238 --> 00:35:38,213 It started with the League Cup. 675 00:35:39,518 --> 00:35:42,773 The Scouse captain of Liverpool scores an absolutely stunning goal. 676 00:35:45,308 --> 00:35:48,243 I think that was the most difficult final! 677 00:35:48,268 --> 00:35:50,493 Andy Johnson, right foot. 678 00:35:50,518 --> 00:35:51,853 It's saved by Westerveld! 679 00:35:51,878 --> 00:35:54,083 And Liverpool have won the Worthington Cup! 680 00:35:56,518 --> 00:36:00,573 That trophy was very important. 681 00:36:00,598 --> 00:36:05,052 It took some pressure off the team, you know — we'd won something. 682 00:36:05,077 --> 00:36:08,002 Growing up, if you'd given me one game to score the winner in, 683 00:36:08,027 --> 00:36:10,333 it would have been FA Cup final. 684 00:36:10,358 --> 00:36:12,853 And I was so confident going into the game, 685 00:36:12,878 --> 00:36:16,922 but for 85 minutes I just hadn't had a sniff of a chance. 686 00:36:16,947 --> 00:36:18,002 Pushing and shoving. 687 00:36:18,027 --> 00:36:19,132 And there's the shot. 688 00:36:19,157 --> 00:36:20,493 And there's the equaliser! 689 00:36:21,878 --> 00:36:22,882 Michael Owen! 690 00:36:25,748 --> 00:36:27,882 I just knew once I scored that goal, 691 00:36:27,907 --> 00:36:29,922 j0gging past Arsenal players, 692 00:36:29,947 --> 00:36:32,333 seeing how slumped they were, 693 00:36:32,358 --> 00:36:34,882 and then just looking at the clock thinking, 694 00:36:34,907 --> 00:36:36,413 "Right — have I got enough time now 695 00:36:36,438 --> 00:36:39,363 "to finish them off or am I going to have to do it in extra time?" 696 00:36:39,388 --> 00:36:40,693 This is Berger. 697 00:36:40,718 --> 00:36:43,493 And Robbie Fowler looks sprightly now. Watched the ball, played early, 698 00:36:43,518 --> 00:36:44,523 but so does Owen! 699 00:36:44,548 --> 00:36:46,603 And he's getting the other side of Dixon. 700 00:36:46,628 --> 00:36:48,213 Michael Owen for Liverpool... 701 00:36:48,238 --> 00:36:50,243 Yes! Oh, he's done it! 702 00:36:50,268 --> 00:36:52,333 What an incredible goal for Michael Owen! 703 00:36:53,668 --> 00:36:54,672 Unbelievable stuff. 704 00:36:58,798 --> 00:37:03,643 I've possibly scored more famous goals, but give me one day again 705 00:37:03,668 --> 00:37:05,723 and I'd relive that day. 706 00:37:16,077 --> 00:37:18,283 Come on, boys, come on. 707 00:37:18,308 --> 00:37:20,443 One good ball in. 708 00:37:20,468 --> 00:37:23,493 Five Liverpool players to attack the wall. 709 00:37:23,518 --> 00:37:25,002 Oh, it's an own goal! 710 00:37:25,027 --> 00:37:28,523 YEAH! YEAHHH! 711 00:37:28,548 --> 00:37:30,802 That was an own goal, wasn't it? 712 00:37:30,827 --> 00:37:32,163 Was that an own goal?! 713 00:37:32,188 --> 00:37:37,252 A smile on the face of Gerard Houllier at the end. 714 00:37:39,108 --> 00:37:41,493 After so many years without trophies, 715 00:37:41,518 --> 00:37:45,002 suddenly Liverpool couldn't stop winning them. 716 00:37:45,027 --> 00:37:47,243 And before long, they added two more 717 00:37:47,268 --> 00:37:50,493 by winning the Super Cup and the Charity Shield. 718 00:37:50,518 --> 00:37:53,443 Crucially, Liverpool also won qualification 719 00:37:53,468 --> 00:37:56,313 to the Champions League for the first time. 720 00:37:56,338 --> 00:37:58,363 After so long without success, 721 00:37:58,388 --> 00:38:00,672 it felt as if the club were back on top, 722 00:38:00,697 --> 00:38:05,493 although their treble was mocked by their rivals down the M62. 723 00:38:05,518 --> 00:38:08,693 We won every competition that we entered in terms of cups, 724 00:38:08,718 --> 00:38:11,413 So, you know, if that's Mickey Mouse, then...| mean, 725 00:38:11,438 --> 00:38:14,773 God knows what everything else is, because I think for us 726 00:38:14,798 --> 00:38:18,563 to achieve that, I think it's quite extraordinary. It really is. 727 00:38:20,748 --> 00:38:23,203 Winning those five trophies with Liverpool, 728 00:38:23,228 --> 00:38:27,243 which was the club of my heart, it's different, yeah. 729 00:38:27,268 --> 00:38:29,132 And when I say the club of my heart, 730 00:38:29,157 --> 00:38:33,693 my heart, you know, practically fail after that! 731 00:38:33,718 --> 00:38:35,603 Come on, now. Come on, Stevie G! 732 00:38:35,628 --> 00:38:40,563 We were really looking forward to the 2001—2002 season. 733 00:38:40,588 --> 00:38:44,723 Let this be the one where we win the league. 734 00:38:47,827 --> 00:38:52,523 I felt ill in the half-time of the game against Leeds. 735 00:38:52,548 --> 00:38:55,243 I don't want to go back out there. I'm sorry. 736 00:38:57,388 --> 00:39:00,493 Gerard Houllier underwent a dissection of the aorta, 737 00:39:00,518 --> 00:39:03,283 the main vessel carrying blood to the heart. 738 00:39:03,308 --> 00:39:06,303 He's now on a ventilator in intensive care. 739 00:39:07,608 --> 00:39:10,203 Puts life into perspective, puts football into perspective. 740 00:39:10,228 --> 00:39:12,802 Obviously our thoughts are very much with Gerard 741 00:39:12,827 --> 00:39:15,283 and particularly with Isabelle at this time, 742 00:39:15,308 --> 00:39:18,083 and we just wish him a very speedy recovery. 743 00:39:18,108 --> 00:39:21,163 As might be expected after an operation 744 00:39:21,188 --> 00:39:22,922 of this nature and complexity, 745 00:39:22,947 --> 00:39:26,693 recovery is inevitably a slow and gradual process. 746 00:39:26,718 --> 00:39:30,693 It almost felt as if the doctors were trying to keep him away, 747 00:39:30,718 --> 00:39:33,693 but he was adamant he wanted to be back and it felt like 748 00:39:33,718 --> 00:39:37,363 he came back in far quicker time than he was supposed to. 749 00:39:49,618 --> 00:39:51,922 I remember that day, 750 00:39:51,947 --> 00:39:54,313 because when I came on the pitch, 751 00:39:54,338 --> 00:39:57,363 Capello was there. When he saw me, he hugged me. 752 00:40:00,438 --> 00:40:03,723 It went through the crowd gradually that I was in the stadium 753 00:40:03,748 --> 00:40:05,163 and I was back. 754 00:40:05,188 --> 00:40:08,882 CHEERING 755 00:40:08,907 --> 00:40:10,882 Special day. Special night. 756 00:40:12,668 --> 00:40:15,203 I think Gerard came back too soon. 757 00:40:15,228 --> 00:40:16,723 And he might disagree. 758 00:40:16,748 --> 00:40:18,802 I don't think he was the same person. 759 00:40:18,827 --> 00:40:20,802 It's easy to have regrets. 760 00:40:20,827 --> 00:40:24,002 All I can say is that I was far too early 761 00:40:24,027 --> 00:40:26,643 and I probably paid it afterwards. 762 00:40:33,027 --> 00:40:35,002 With Houllier back in the hot seat, 763 00:40:35,027 --> 00:40:37,723 Liverpool ended the season in second place... 764 00:40:37,748 --> 00:40:40,523 Their highest Premier League finish. 765 00:40:40,548 --> 00:40:42,773 But the team could not reach the same heights 766 00:40:42,798 --> 00:40:44,523 in the following two seasons. 767 00:40:44,548 --> 00:40:47,283 The pressure was mounting on the boss. 768 00:40:47,308 --> 00:40:49,843 If people decide, you know, that I'm not the right man 769 00:40:49,868 --> 00:40:52,953 for the right place, so what? I mean, I'm not important. 770 00:40:52,978 --> 00:40:55,283 I'm not here for myself. I'm here for the club. 771 00:40:55,308 --> 00:40:57,523 We were... hugely... 772 00:40:59,188 --> 00:41:00,843 ...concerned about his health. 773 00:41:00,868 --> 00:41:03,414 We were very concerned that he'd nearly given his life for the club. 774 00:41:03,438 --> 00:41:05,882 So if the club thinks, "Well, Houllier shouldn't stay," 775 00:41:05,907 --> 00:41:09,773 so, I mean, the people in command, in charge, have to decide that. 776 00:41:09,798 --> 00:41:12,243 By then we wanted to be winning. 777 00:41:12,268 --> 00:41:13,843 We wanted to be contenders. 778 00:41:13,868 --> 00:41:17,283 We really needed to be contenders for the title. We weren't. 779 00:41:17,308 --> 00:41:20,083 But as far as I'm concerned, I know where we're going. 780 00:41:20,108 --> 00:41:23,283 I know it's been a rocky year, but we'll get there. 781 00:41:23,308 --> 00:41:27,483 And it was a sad day when we decided that we had to make a change. 782 00:41:29,268 --> 00:41:32,363 I don't know. Maybe my health played a part. 783 00:41:32,388 --> 00:41:35,882 People ask me, you know, "Well, what is your contribution?" 784 00:41:35,907 --> 00:41:37,802 I say my contribution is nothing, 785 00:41:37,827 --> 00:41:40,593 apart from the fact that the team finished fourth 786 00:41:40,618 --> 00:41:43,233 and they were allowed to play Champions League. 787 00:41:43,258 --> 00:41:47,132 I heard and I read that they want to go back to the '60s 788 00:41:47,157 --> 00:41:49,363 and the '70s culture. 789 00:41:49,388 --> 00:41:51,283 Well, fair enough, but not with me. 790 00:42:11,438 --> 00:42:14,922 My first night with my wife in Liverpool was, er... 791 00:42:16,358 --> 00:42:20,113 ...raining cats and dogs or dogs and cats, how you say? 792 00:42:20,138 --> 00:42:21,952 Cats and dogs. 793 00:42:21,977 --> 00:42:24,653 Raining cats and dogs. It was a big storm. And we said, 794 00:42:24,678 --> 00:42:27,783 "Oh, we are coming from Valencia and then we come here. 00f." 795 00:42:30,238 --> 00:42:33,573 Rafa was an exciting appointment for us. 796 00:42:33,598 --> 00:42:37,733 It was very much a case of, the key credential for us 797 00:42:37,758 --> 00:42:41,653 is we need somebody who's won one of the major European leagues. 798 00:42:41,678 --> 00:42:44,423 The former Valencia boss Rafael Benitez 799 00:42:44,448 --> 00:42:48,423 has been the favourite for the job ever since he quit the Spanish club. 800 00:42:48,448 --> 00:42:51,603 Valencia, we didn't have too much money at this time. 801 00:42:51,628 --> 00:42:53,892 We were... I'm not sure how you say in English this. 802 00:42:53,917 --> 00:42:56,703 "Punching above your weight" or something like that. 803 00:42:56,728 --> 00:42:59,093 We chose him rather than Mourinho. 804 00:42:59,118 --> 00:43:01,892 We thought Rafa was much more Liverpool's style. 805 00:43:01,917 --> 00:43:04,343 He had a bit more humility and... 806 00:43:05,628 --> 00:43:07,062 ...was a bit more down—to—earth. 807 00:43:07,087 --> 00:43:13,173 I'm European champion, so I'm not one of... of the bottle. 808 00:43:13,198 --> 00:43:15,012 I think I'm a special one. 809 00:43:18,057 --> 00:43:21,603 Famously, he walks into a bar full of Liverpool fans 810 00:43:21,628 --> 00:43:24,423 and has a drink, and everyone said, you know, "That's great." 811 00:43:24,448 --> 00:43:26,243 You know, man of the people and all that. 812 00:43:26,268 --> 00:43:29,062 Well, he'd gone through the wrong door. 813 00:43:29,087 --> 00:43:31,213 He thought he was going into his hotel. 814 00:43:31,238 --> 00:43:33,012 But once he's there... 815 00:43:33,037 --> 00:43:35,733 "They're all Liverpool fans, I'm not just going to walk out." 816 00:43:35,758 --> 00:43:39,213 So he, almost by accident, got the city 817 00:43:39,238 --> 00:43:41,533 and got a sense of what it was about. 818 00:43:44,857 --> 00:43:47,233 Very quickly, Benitez also learnt 819 00:43:47,258 --> 00:43:50,062 about the internal tensions at the club. 820 00:43:50,087 --> 00:43:52,373 Literally the first day Rafa arrived, 821 00:43:52,398 --> 00:43:55,373 I had to tell him that Steven Gerrard had decided 822 00:43:55,398 --> 00:43:56,882 that he wanted to go. 823 00:43:56,907 --> 00:43:59,373 I haven't been really happy with the progression of the club 824 00:43:59,398 --> 00:44:02,423 over the last two years. For the first time in my career, 825 00:44:02,448 --> 00:44:06,423 I've really thought about the possibility of moving on. 826 00:44:06,448 --> 00:44:10,243 I think during the Euros, Steven pretty much decided 827 00:44:10,268 --> 00:44:13,213 he wanted to go to Chelsea. The mistake Chelsea made was 828 00:44:13,238 --> 00:44:17,262 letting Steven come back to Liverpool after the Euros. 829 00:44:17,287 --> 00:44:19,653 They should have kept him on Abramovich's boat. 830 00:44:19,678 --> 00:44:23,812 After coming home from Euro 2000, sitting down with my family, 831 00:44:23,837 --> 00:44:29,243 I've decided that I'm staying on at Liverpool Football Club. 832 00:44:29,268 --> 00:44:33,012 In the end, what I told him, if you go to another side, 833 00:44:33,037 --> 00:44:35,573 maybe you can win some trophies, but you will be one more. 834 00:44:35,598 --> 00:44:38,373 Here you are Stevie G, the captain, the legend, 835 00:44:38,398 --> 00:44:40,832 and everybody will remember you like that. 836 00:44:43,177 --> 00:44:45,932 Benitez set about changing the direction of the team, 837 00:44:45,957 --> 00:44:48,653 bringing in Spanish playmaker Xabi Alonzo 838 00:44:48,678 --> 00:44:50,983 to create a fabulous midfield duo. 839 00:44:51,008 --> 00:44:55,213 But Chelsea's interest in Gerrard had unsettled Liverpool. 840 00:44:55,238 --> 00:44:59,173 They knew that Mourinho's team were miles ahead in the league. 841 00:44:59,198 --> 00:45:04,243 Everywhere Liverpool looked, it was Chelsea, Chelsea, Chelsea. 842 00:45:07,157 --> 00:45:09,723 We were in the stairs. That feeling... 843 00:45:09,748 --> 00:45:13,363 Was a very nice conversation, because they were winning. 844 00:45:13,388 --> 00:45:15,113 As soon as we start winning, 845 00:45:15,138 --> 00:45:17,873 things were getting worse in terms of the relationship. 846 00:45:17,898 --> 00:45:21,152 But, OK, that is normal when you are competing, 847 00:45:21,177 --> 00:45:23,473 and it's a style everybody knows. 848 00:45:23,498 --> 00:45:25,363 I tried to be more respectful, 849 00:45:25,388 --> 00:45:29,152 but... OK, each one can decide what he prefers. 850 00:45:34,057 --> 00:45:38,032 We had that huge disappointment of the League Cup, 851 00:45:38,057 --> 00:45:40,793 but the irony of playing against Chelsea 852 00:45:40,818 --> 00:45:45,832 and Steven scoring the own goal after everything that had gone on, 853 00:45:45,857 --> 00:45:48,393 but then in the dressing room straight after the game saying, 854 00:45:48,418 --> 00:45:50,313 "| hope we get them in the Champions League," 855 00:45:50,338 --> 00:45:51,673 as indeed we then did. 856 00:45:56,857 --> 00:45:59,443 I think it was so good, the team was so strong that 857 00:45:59,468 --> 00:46:02,233 nobody was expecting that we could go through, 858 00:46:02,258 --> 00:46:05,473 and the Luis Garcia goal, and they said, "Oh, it wasn't a goal," 859 00:46:05,498 --> 00:46:07,313 then could be a red card for Petr Cech 860 00:46:07,338 --> 00:46:08,832 at the beginning of the game. 861 00:46:08,857 --> 00:46:11,082 And I think it was very clear 862 00:46:11,107 --> 00:46:13,473 that it was a goal that we deserved, 863 00:46:13,498 --> 00:46:16,113 because we did what we had to do to score this goal. 864 00:46:19,538 --> 00:46:22,952 You have to give credit to someone like Liverpool at this time... 865 00:46:22,977 --> 00:46:25,593 That, against the best team in the Premier League, 866 00:46:25,618 --> 00:46:27,443 we could do so well 867 00:46:27,468 --> 00:46:29,513 that we could go to the final. 868 00:46:35,138 --> 00:46:37,003 The atmosphere was amazing. 869 00:46:38,468 --> 00:46:41,003 Our fans obviously were there in force, 870 00:46:41,028 --> 00:46:44,363 outnumbering considerably The Milan fans. 871 00:46:44,388 --> 00:46:49,113 If you see the team sheet, AC Milan was so good. 872 00:46:49,138 --> 00:46:52,873 Everybody was so excited, and just to go there and try to 873 00:46:52,898 --> 00:46:56,473 enjoy from the first minute until the last minute if it was possible. 874 00:46:56,498 --> 00:46:59,032 In goes the free kick, and the shot goes in, 875 00:46:59,057 --> 00:47:01,282 and it's there! Milan have scored! 876 00:47:01,307 --> 00:47:03,433 Here's Shevchenko. Shevchenko crosses... 877 00:47:03,458 --> 00:47:04,753 It's 2-0. 878 00:47:06,138 --> 00:47:09,623 I was preparing my speech — In my bad English now... 879 00:47:09,648 --> 00:47:11,543 Imagine some years ago, 880 00:47:11,568 --> 00:47:14,183 preparing my speech at half—time, losing 2-0, 881 00:47:14,208 --> 00:47:16,003 and then we concede the third goal. 882 00:47:16,977 --> 00:47:18,393 Kaka. Oh, towards Crespo... 883 00:47:18,418 --> 00:47:20,473 Crespo's doing this. It's going to be 3-0... 884 00:47:20,498 --> 00:47:21,673 And it is 5-0! 885 00:47:22,898 --> 00:47:26,513 Come half—time, people are leaving, people are despairing, 886 00:47:26,538 --> 00:47:30,263 and I'm going, "It's not over till the fat lady sings. 887 00:47:30,288 --> 00:47:32,183 "Come on. It's all right. It'll be..." 888 00:47:32,208 --> 00:47:35,032 But it was almost like it wasn't just me that felt it, 889 00:47:35,057 --> 00:47:38,723 because the crowd started to sing. 890 00:47:38,748 --> 00:47:43,313 # You'll never walk... # 891 00:47:43,338 --> 00:47:45,753 You need to explain something in English 892 00:47:45,778 --> 00:47:47,902 and be sure that you use the right words, 893 00:47:47,927 --> 00:47:50,263 and you keep the motivation if you can. 894 00:47:50,288 --> 00:47:52,473 Another opportunity from Riise... 895 00:47:52,498 --> 00:47:55,183 Header! Yes, a goal from Steven Gerrard! 896 00:47:56,338 --> 00:47:58,473 Never forget Stevie coming out... 897 00:47:58,498 --> 00:48:00,363 His arms are going like this, 898 00:48:00,388 --> 00:48:01,673 getting the crowd up. 899 00:48:01,698 --> 00:48:03,032 Man 25 yards out. 900 00:48:03,057 --> 00:48:05,233 Doesn't shoot, but Smicer by! 901 00:48:05,258 --> 00:48:10,513 All the way from Vladimir Smicer! 902 00:48:10,538 --> 00:48:14,593 And I'm not just saying this, honestly, but I just knew 903 00:48:14,618 --> 00:48:16,363 we were going to win that day. 904 00:48:16,388 --> 00:48:18,673 Alonso... misses! 905 00:48:18,698 --> 00:48:20,753 And Alonso puts in the rebound! 906 00:48:20,778 --> 00:48:23,593 And this scoreline is absolutely staggering. 907 00:48:23,618 --> 00:48:26,952 AC Milan 3, Liverpool 3! 908 00:48:28,818 --> 00:48:33,673 Then we had to go through the most nerve-racking extra time. 909 00:48:33,698 --> 00:48:36,433 Dudek made some fantastic saves. 910 00:48:41,748 --> 00:48:44,902 And when we went to the penalties, I was 100% convinced 911 00:48:44,927 --> 00:48:46,183 that we could win. 912 00:48:46,208 --> 00:48:47,433 Shevchenko... 913 00:48:47,458 --> 00:48:51,902 Dudek saves for Liverpool! 914 00:48:55,778 --> 00:48:58,723 It's as rich to me now as if it had happened yesterday. 915 00:49:04,818 --> 00:49:07,263 And still I have a lot of fans telling me, 916 00:49:07,288 --> 00:49:10,393 "Rafa, that is the best night of my life. 917 00:49:10,418 --> 00:49:11,822 "Don't tell my wife." 918 00:49:11,847 --> 00:49:13,643 So they are telling me that all the time. 919 00:49:13,668 --> 00:49:17,003 Liverpool are champions of Europe! 920 00:49:20,898 --> 00:49:22,473 I was in Istanbul. 921 00:49:22,498 --> 00:49:25,952 I went down to the changing room after the game. 922 00:49:25,977 --> 00:49:27,363 A couple of players saw me. 923 00:49:27,388 --> 00:49:30,902 Normally the players say "hi" and that's it. 924 00:49:30,927 --> 00:49:34,113 But they came to me and practically hugged me. 925 00:49:34,138 --> 00:49:35,593 You know, it was really... 926 00:49:35,618 --> 00:49:38,393 And they said, "Boss, it's your team." 927 00:49:38,418 --> 00:49:40,723 And I must say, Rafa was... 928 00:49:41,778 --> 00:49:47,113 ...outstanding, because he understood that the players had a sort of a... 929 00:49:47,138 --> 00:49:49,262 ...maybe special relationship with me, 930 00:49:49,287 --> 00:49:51,343 and they... you know, we didn't... 931 00:49:51,368 --> 00:49:54,293 I never fell out with the players, so it was all right. 932 00:49:55,928 --> 00:49:59,163 This truly was the miracle of Istanbul. 933 00:49:59,188 --> 00:50:01,093 But one night couldn't hide the fact 934 00:50:01,118 --> 00:50:04,773 that Liverpool weren't set up to compete consistently. 935 00:50:04,798 --> 00:50:06,733 And their rivals knew it. 936 00:50:06,758 --> 00:50:09,773 Over the summer, Chelsea came calling again, 937 00:50:09,798 --> 00:50:12,557 and this time, they were determined to get their man. 938 00:50:13,862 --> 00:50:16,246 We tried everything to talk him round. 939 00:50:16,271 --> 00:50:18,147 The chairman came to see him. 940 00:50:18,172 --> 00:50:21,357 And he had absolutely decided that he was going, 941 00:50:21,382 --> 00:50:23,036 and we announced he was going. 942 00:50:23,061 --> 00:50:25,507 It was ambition. It was restlessness. 943 00:50:25,532 --> 00:50:31,397 It was, oddly, not necessarily feeling he was valued enough. 944 00:50:31,422 --> 00:50:34,967 Fortunately, he came around and signed a deal 945 00:50:34,992 --> 00:50:37,916 and he did say to me, "just do me one favour. 946 00:50:37,941 --> 00:50:40,116 "Don't ever let me do this again." 947 00:50:40,141 --> 00:50:42,837 With Gerrard having put pen to paper, 948 00:50:42,862 --> 00:50:47,936 Liverpool did strengthen the team. But he was restless for a reason. 949 00:50:47,961 --> 00:50:50,180 Despite Liverpool's show of ambition, 950 00:50:50,205 --> 00:50:54,310 the footballing world had moved into a new financial stratosphere. 951 00:50:56,004 --> 00:50:58,769 David Moore was really a good chairman. 952 00:50:58,794 --> 00:51:01,740 I think Rick Parry and him, they were trying to help 953 00:51:01,765 --> 00:51:04,769 and they didn't put us under pressure. 954 00:51:04,794 --> 00:51:07,950 The plan was the same, was in three years' time to compete. 955 00:51:07,975 --> 00:51:10,700 We were already winning. We were in the final of the Carting Cup, 956 00:51:10,725 --> 00:51:13,950 and this year we won the FA Cup also, 957 00:51:13,975 --> 00:51:16,769 and the European Super Cup, so everybody was happy 958 00:51:16,794 --> 00:51:20,229 in the way that the team and the club was progressing. 959 00:51:20,254 --> 00:51:21,820 The only thing is that, economically, 960 00:51:21,845 --> 00:51:23,740 you couldn't compete against the other teams. 961 00:51:28,085 --> 00:51:33,540 David Mo yes had decided in 2004 that he wanted to sell. 962 00:51:33,565 --> 00:51:35,700 He was concerned, I think, 963 00:51:35,725 --> 00:51:39,460 about the resources that Abramovich was bringing to Chelsea. 964 00:51:39,485 --> 00:51:41,870 Interest in the club was high. 965 00:51:41,895 --> 00:51:44,310 Rival offers were received from a consortium 966 00:51:44,335 --> 00:51:46,060 headed by the Shaikh of Dubai 967 00:51:46,085 --> 00:51:49,700 and an American businessman called George Gillett. 968 00:51:49,725 --> 00:51:51,950 The club wanted to sell to Dubai, 969 00:51:51,975 --> 00:51:55,310 but a deal took too long to materialise. 970 00:51:55,335 --> 00:51:58,590 Everyone seemed desperate for the club to be bought out. 971 00:51:58,615 --> 00:52:00,820 Be careful what you wish for, 972 00:52:00,845 --> 00:52:04,950 because what we got was absolute chaos. 973 00:52:04,975 --> 00:52:06,060 2007... 974 00:52:07,285 --> 00:52:11,979 ...We ended up with Messrs Hicks and Gillett. 975 00:52:15,794 --> 00:52:18,820 This is truly the largest sport in the world, 976 00:52:18,845 --> 00:52:21,099 the most important sport in the world, and this is 977 00:52:21,124 --> 00:52:24,050 the most important club in the most important sport in the world, 978 00:52:24,075 --> 00:52:26,660 and what a privilege we have to be associated with it, 979 00:52:26,685 --> 00:52:29,870 and we hope that with the good graces of Rick and his team, 980 00:52:29,895 --> 00:52:33,050 that we will be able to enjoy both on—the—pitch success 981 00:52:33,075 --> 00:52:34,660 and economic success. 982 00:52:34,685 --> 00:52:36,849 But we're buying this with no debt on the club. 983 00:52:37,924 --> 00:52:41,899 I think George absolutely wanted success. 984 00:52:41,924 --> 00:52:46,180 I think he got what Liverpool was about. 985 00:52:46,205 --> 00:52:48,740 Tom Hicks I don't think ever got Liverpool. 986 00:52:48,765 --> 00:52:51,540 I remember the week after the deal went through, 987 00:52:51,565 --> 00:52:53,540 he did an interview for The Guardian 988 00:52:53,565 --> 00:52:56,340 saying buying Liverpool is just like buying Weetabix, I think. 989 00:52:58,004 --> 00:52:59,820 Er... No, it definitely isn't. 990 00:52:59,845 --> 00:53:02,050 We are making plans to move forward with the stadium 991 00:53:02,075 --> 00:53:03,410 as quickly as we can. 992 00:53:04,725 --> 00:53:07,410 We need all the revenues we can possibly find 993 00:53:07,435 --> 00:53:09,300 to compete with Manchester. 994 00:53:09,325 --> 00:53:11,050 The beginning was fine, 995 00:53:11,075 --> 00:53:13,300 because I think they promised a lot of things. 996 00:53:13,325 --> 00:53:15,870 Maybe after, I would say, three, four months, 997 00:53:15,895 --> 00:53:18,180 that they lead, you could see that 998 00:53:18,205 --> 00:53:21,620 it was not exactly what you were expecting. 999 00:53:21,645 --> 00:53:25,740 Liverpool faced Milan again in the Champions League final that summer. 1000 00:53:25,765 --> 00:53:27,979 But there was to be no repeat of Istanbul. 1001 00:53:29,765 --> 00:53:31,979 It looked like Hicks and Gillett had cash 1002 00:53:32,004 --> 00:53:33,660 and were prepared to spend it. 1003 00:53:33,685 --> 00:53:37,590 Fernando Torres was brought in for a club record transfer fee. 1004 00:53:37,615 --> 00:53:40,050 Beats Ben Haim... Torres! 1005 00:53:40,075 --> 00:53:41,410 And scores! 1006 00:53:41,435 --> 00:53:44,540 His first goal for Liverpool! 1007 00:53:46,325 --> 00:53:48,769 But despite promises to the contrary, 1008 00:53:48,794 --> 00:53:52,180 they'd borrowed money to fund most of their activity, 1009 00:53:52,205 --> 00:53:56,690 in the form of a bank loan from RBS for over £200 million. 1010 00:53:57,924 --> 00:53:59,490 Not long after arriving, 1011 00:53:59,515 --> 00:54:04,019 we headed into a period where the relationship between Rafa, 1012 00:54:04,044 --> 00:54:06,870 between the fans and between the ownership 1013 00:54:06,895 --> 00:54:09,180 all kind of started to fall apart. 1014 00:54:09,205 --> 00:54:12,769 I had people inside telling me, "Yeah, we don't have the money." 1015 00:54:12,794 --> 00:54:14,149 But after, the same people, 1016 00:54:14,174 --> 00:54:16,300 they were going outside, telling the press, 1017 00:54:16,325 --> 00:54:18,050 "No, we are doing this, we are doing that." 1018 00:54:18,075 --> 00:54:21,340 So then you have to cope with expectations that you wanted 1019 00:54:21,365 --> 00:54:22,620 to compete for the title, 1020 00:54:22,645 --> 00:54:24,940 but at the same time you knew that you couldn't. 1021 00:54:24,965 --> 00:54:27,380 The world stock markets are stampeding, 1022 00:54:27,405 --> 00:54:29,490 and investors are diving for cover. 1023 00:54:29,515 --> 00:54:31,410 TRADERS YELLING 1024 00:54:31,435 --> 00:54:35,660 The financial crash made a bad situation much worse. 1025 00:54:35,685 --> 00:54:39,490 Hicks had lost more money than Gillett, and wanted to sell. 1026 00:54:39,515 --> 00:54:44,480 The pair fell out, and began using everybody in the club as a pawn. 1027 00:54:44,505 --> 00:54:47,280 It was meltdown. It was civil war within the club, 1028 00:54:47,305 --> 00:54:50,480 and it was civil war between Gillett and Hicks. 1029 00:54:50,505 --> 00:54:55,039 Rafa was at odds with Rick Parry, who got sacked by Tom Hicks. 1030 00:54:55,064 --> 00:54:58,430 Rick needs to resign from Liverpool Football Club. 1031 00:54:58,455 --> 00:55:01,249 You certainly have to have the ability to work 1032 00:55:01,274 --> 00:55:02,840 with your general manager, 1033 00:55:02,865 --> 00:55:06,430 and I think Rick's proven he just can't do that. 1034 00:55:08,814 --> 00:55:11,039 He wrote to me saying I'm fired and I kind of wrote back 1035 00:55:11,064 --> 00:55:13,510 and said, "No, I'm not, because you can't do that." 1036 00:55:13,535 --> 00:55:15,840 We're trying to get on with the football, which is why 1037 00:55:15,865 --> 00:55:17,610 I'm still here. There's a job to be done. 1038 00:55:17,635 --> 00:55:20,360 There are big matches to be played. That's where the focus should be. 1039 00:55:20,385 --> 00:55:22,039 This is a sideshow. 1040 00:55:22,064 --> 00:55:24,480 You look at what's happened under Rick's leadership, 1041 00:55:24,505 --> 00:55:25,789 it's been a disaster. 1042 00:55:25,814 --> 00:55:29,480 We've fallen so far behind the other top clubs. 1043 00:55:29,505 --> 00:55:31,890 I think the mistake he made, which... 1044 00:55:33,175 --> 00:55:36,530 ...wasn't very smart with hindsight, he used the word "disaster" 1045 00:55:36,555 --> 00:55:38,430 on the Hillsborough anniversary. 1046 00:55:38,455 --> 00:55:40,530 That was not the wisest word to use. 1047 00:55:43,024 --> 00:55:45,480 Despite the infighting off the pitch, 1048 00:55:45,505 --> 00:55:47,400 on it, Liverpool were flying. 1049 00:55:47,425 --> 00:55:49,039 By the end of 2008, 1050 00:55:49,064 --> 00:55:52,400 they were above Manchester United at the top of the league. 1051 00:55:52,425 --> 00:55:56,710 But the facts were that the tension was getting to everybody. 1052 00:55:56,735 --> 00:55:59,350 People talk about the rant and the interview. 1053 00:55:59,375 --> 00:56:01,280 I'm sure that you will ask me about that. 1054 00:56:01,305 --> 00:56:04,150 What do you make, though, of Sir Alex Ferguson's comments 1055 00:56:04,175 --> 00:56:06,070 when he said Liverpool could choke? 1056 00:56:06,095 --> 00:56:07,530 I was surprised, 1057 00:56:07,555 --> 00:56:09,510 but I have to talk about facts. 1058 00:56:11,024 --> 00:56:14,200 I have my reasons — I can tell you off the record... 1059 00:56:14,225 --> 00:56:17,320 But I knew 100% that I needed to do something. 1060 00:56:17,345 --> 00:56:20,119 Only Mr Ferguson can talk about the future, can talk 1061 00:56:20,144 --> 00:56:22,450 about referees, can talk about all these things, 1062 00:56:22,475 --> 00:56:23,960 and nothing happens. 1063 00:56:23,985 --> 00:56:27,280 If he'd asked me in advance, did I think it was a good idea, 1064 00:56:27,305 --> 00:56:29,960 I think I would've said, "Rafa, I would leave it. 1065 00:56:29,985 --> 00:56:31,320 "| wouldn't do it." 1066 00:56:31,345 --> 00:56:33,640 He's the only manager in the league, 1067 00:56:33,665 --> 00:56:36,200 in the English league that cannot be punished for these things. 1068 00:56:36,225 --> 00:56:39,119 And it was always Alex Ferguson this, and Alex Ferguson that. 1069 00:56:39,144 --> 00:56:41,710 And he just went on and on! 1070 00:56:41,735 --> 00:56:43,710 I am talking about facts. 1071 00:56:43,735 --> 00:56:46,200 I am not talking about my impressions. Things that everybody 1072 00:56:46,225 --> 00:56:48,919 can see every single week. 1073 00:56:48,944 --> 00:56:52,119 And then at the end gave this lovely smile! 1074 00:56:52,144 --> 00:56:56,350 100%, I can tell you, check what I said, and everything 1075 00:56:56,375 --> 00:56:59,039 what I said was spot-on. 1076 00:56:59,064 --> 00:57:02,480 You just imagine this picture of Sir Alex with his feet on his desk 1077 00:57:02,505 --> 00:57:04,789 and having a nice glass of red, thinking, 1078 00:57:04,814 --> 00:57:06,560 "Yeah, nice bit of work, that." 1079 00:57:11,225 --> 00:57:13,680 When we were going to Old Trafford, 1080 00:57:13,705 --> 00:57:16,840 there was a father with his son and they have a banner, 1081 00:57:16,865 --> 00:57:18,249 "Rafa's cracking up." 1082 00:57:19,305 --> 00:57:21,760 And we beat them 1-4, so we were not cracking up. 1083 00:57:21,785 --> 00:57:23,200 We were doing well. 1084 00:57:23,225 --> 00:57:26,320 But Manchester United, they were doing better. 1085 00:57:32,735 --> 00:57:36,150 In a post-fact world, Liverpool were brilliant... 1086 00:57:36,175 --> 00:57:38,600 They lost only one game in the New Year. 1087 00:57:38,625 --> 00:57:41,239 But the actual fact was that Manchester United 1088 00:57:41,264 --> 00:57:43,710 had too many games in hand. 1089 00:57:43,735 --> 00:57:46,600 Liverpool missed out on the title again. 1090 00:57:47,985 --> 00:57:51,989 The good thing — by 2009, at least we were contenders. 1091 00:57:52,014 --> 00:57:56,810 The worst thing of all was getting to January, February and knowing 1092 00:57:56,835 --> 00:57:58,890 you couldn't beat United. That... 1093 00:58:00,665 --> 00:58:02,480 That... That was awful. 1094 00:58:04,305 --> 00:58:07,239 Fans had now had enough of their American owners. 1095 00:58:07,264 --> 00:58:10,680 The huge loan repayments were overshadowing everything. 1096 00:58:10,705 --> 00:58:13,710 Gillett and Hicks put Liverpool up for sale. 1097 00:58:15,264 --> 00:58:17,919 It was chaos. No-one knew what was happening. 1098 00:58:17,944 --> 00:58:20,890 And, of course, RBS keep upping the ante by saying, 1099 00:58:20,915 --> 00:58:23,350 "The club can go bankrupt, the club can go bankrupt." 1100 00:58:23,375 --> 00:58:27,680 I don't think the club was ever in danger of going bankrupt. 1101 00:58:27,705 --> 00:58:31,400 Let's face it, if they would've sold Fernando Torres and Steven Gerrard, 1102 00:58:31,425 --> 00:58:33,960 they could've almost balanced the books. 1103 00:58:38,555 --> 00:58:41,280 With the situation deteriorating, Liverpool began 1104 00:58:41,305 --> 00:58:43,280 to lose key personnel. 1105 00:58:43,305 --> 00:58:46,960 Chief executive Rick Parry had had enough and left. 1106 00:58:46,985 --> 00:58:51,760 Now it was time for Benitez to go, by... mutual consent. 1107 00:58:51,785 --> 00:58:53,989 No, I don't think that we need to talk 1108 00:58:54,014 --> 00:58:55,600 about what they promised to me. 1109 00:58:55,625 --> 00:58:57,430 It's just that what they say publicly. 1110 00:58:57,455 --> 00:58:59,919 So you could see the new stadium and all these things 1111 00:58:59,944 --> 00:59:02,960 that they said, and it's very clear that it's over there. 1112 00:59:02,985 --> 00:59:04,960 So you can read the press at this time 1113 00:59:04,985 --> 00:59:06,239 and then you will understand, 1114 00:59:06,264 --> 00:59:08,200 everybody will understand that what they said 1115 00:59:08,225 --> 00:59:09,480 and what they did. 1116 00:59:14,944 --> 00:59:19,710 At that time, the organisation was in freefall. 1117 00:59:19,735 --> 00:59:24,350 Roy came in, probably during that most difficult period for the club. 1118 00:59:24,375 --> 00:59:27,880 In fairness to Roy Hodgson, when he got the job, 1119 00:59:27,905 --> 00:59:29,600 the club was in limbo, 1120 00:59:29,625 --> 00:59:33,350 and I think he was appointed as a safe pair of hands. 1121 00:59:33,375 --> 00:59:34,960 How we looking? 1122 00:59:34,985 --> 00:59:38,960 It's a bit disappointing that, on your first day, it's matters 1123 00:59:38,985 --> 00:59:41,919 of money which take precedence, really, over football matters, 1124 00:59:41,944 --> 00:59:44,320 you know. I took the job because I wanted to be manager 1125 00:59:44,345 --> 00:59:46,320 of Liverpool Football Club. 1126 00:59:47,785 --> 00:59:51,760 Got him at first base, and the Boston Red Sox can finally say it 1127 00:59:51,785 --> 00:59:54,200 They are champions of the world! 1128 00:59:55,785 --> 00:59:58,960 Amidst the chaos came some credibility. 1129 00:59:58,985 --> 01:00:02,430 John Henry's Fenway Sports Group had taken the Boston Red Sox 1130 01:00:02,455 --> 01:00:06,840 to baseball's World Series for the first time in 86 years. 1131 01:00:06,865 --> 01:00:10,560 Now they wanted to extend their franchise to football. 1132 01:00:10,585 --> 01:00:13,239 A fan in the States 1133 01:00:13,264 --> 01:00:16,430 contacted John Henry to suggest 1134 01:00:16,455 --> 01:00:18,919 that the club was an asset 1135 01:00:18,944 --> 01:00:20,280 going on the cheap 1136 01:00:20,305 --> 01:00:23,400 and he should take a look at it. 1137 01:00:23,425 --> 01:00:26,320 There was talk at the time of administration. 1138 01:00:26,345 --> 01:00:29,039 There... There... There... 1139 01:00:29,064 --> 01:00:31,840 There was a lot of concern for this club. 1140 01:00:31,865 --> 01:00:36,840 But from our standpoint, it was a sleeping giant. 1141 01:00:38,425 --> 01:00:40,320 CROWD CHANTS 1142 01:00:40,345 --> 01:00:44,480 FSG made an offer of £300 million for the club. 1143 01:00:44,505 --> 01:00:48,480 The offer was rejected by Gillett and Hicks, who wanted more money. 1144 01:00:48,505 --> 01:00:50,480 Hopefully, I'm hoping the deal goes through. 1145 01:00:50,505 --> 01:00:52,760 They've had enough time now, Hicks and that. 1146 01:00:52,785 --> 01:00:54,840 It's just a joke, what they've done with the club. 1147 01:00:54,865 --> 01:00:57,481 As long as, I think, Gillett and Hicks have gone, I think then it's 1148 01:00:57,505 --> 01:00:58,710 the start of a new era. 1149 01:00:58,735 --> 01:01:01,600 It's pretty understandable, isn't it, that they're going to have one 1150 01:01:01,625 --> 01:01:04,540 last throw of the dice and try and find a way of preserving something. 1151 01:01:04,565 --> 01:01:08,700 One last throw of the dice just to go down, um... 1152 01:01:08,725 --> 01:01:11,980 ...leaving an ever more negative legacy. 1153 01:01:12,005 --> 01:01:15,830 But the Liverpool board could overrule the American duo. 1154 01:01:15,855 --> 01:01:19,009 Now things turned really nasty. 1155 01:01:19,034 --> 01:01:20,860 There's some things I can't talk about, 1156 01:01:20,885 --> 01:01:25,189 but what I would say is that there were some very, very tough clays, 1157 01:01:25,214 --> 01:01:28,900 and not least when we got sued for $1 billion each. 1158 01:01:30,525 --> 01:01:34,090 It ended up, sadly, in the court, which, you know, I don't think 1159 01:01:34,115 --> 01:01:37,370 achieved anything for anyone, and particularly for such a 1160 01:01:37,395 --> 01:01:40,420 longstanding organisation like Liverpool Football Club, 1161 01:01:40,445 --> 01:01:41,860 it was quite sad. 1162 01:01:41,885 --> 01:01:44,139 It's been a bitter and lengthy battle, 1163 01:01:44,164 --> 01:01:47,860 but tonight, Liverpool Football Club is in new hands. 1164 01:01:47,885 --> 01:01:50,939 Tonight, amid jubilant scenes, the Liverpool board 1165 01:01:50,964 --> 01:01:55,189 got what they wanted — a deal with Henry worth £300 million, 1166 01:01:55,214 --> 01:01:57,500 and writing off the club's debts. 1167 01:01:57,525 --> 01:02:00,189 I am proud and humbled. 1168 01:02:00,214 --> 01:02:07,059 We have a lot of work to do, and I can't tell you how happy I am 1169 01:02:07,084 --> 01:02:10,090 that we've finally, finally got to this point. 1170 01:02:15,164 --> 01:02:17,700 I've got john Henry's autograph and a picture of him. 1171 01:02:17,725 --> 01:02:19,059 What did he say to you? 1172 01:02:19,084 --> 01:02:22,189 .. "You want to shake hands?" 1173 01:02:22,214 --> 01:02:24,580 After a long period of turmoil, 1174 01:02:24,605 --> 01:02:29,059 FSG were determined to get Liverpool back on track quickly. 1175 01:02:29,084 --> 01:02:32,009 Results under Roy Hodgson had not been good. 1176 01:02:32,034 --> 01:02:35,540 Their first task was to remove him from his duties. 1177 01:02:35,565 --> 01:02:37,939 In his place came a familiar face. 1178 01:02:39,885 --> 01:02:44,090 If there's one person alive today in the history 1179 01:02:44,115 --> 01:02:48,540 of Liverpool Football Club who has the talent and the ability 1180 01:02:48,565 --> 01:02:51,090 and the personality to stop 1181 01:02:51,115 --> 01:02:53,980 that plate spinning and to bring 1182 01:02:54,005 --> 01:02:55,730 everybody back together, 1183 01:02:55,755 --> 01:02:58,860 Kenny, for me, was the obvious choice. 1184 01:02:58,885 --> 01:03:02,139 We were unstable as an organisation, 1185 01:03:02,164 --> 01:03:07,139 and the fact is that, from that day forward, he has been — continues 1186 01:03:07,164 --> 01:03:10,259 to be — someone that the club rallies around. 1187 01:03:11,645 --> 01:03:15,580 I don't think anybody expected him to stay for long. 1188 01:03:15,605 --> 01:03:19,420 I think it was perhaps only a stopgap, but it was just... 1189 01:03:19,445 --> 01:03:22,860 ...because you felt safe. You felt safe with Kenny because his heart 1190 01:03:22,885 --> 01:03:26,370 was where your heart was and so, you know, he was welcome. 1191 01:03:27,855 --> 01:03:30,620 Kenny got the job for the second time. 1192 01:03:30,645 --> 01:03:34,470 It was a good move, because in many ways it appeased the supporters. 1193 01:03:34,495 --> 01:03:36,059 There was a League Cup win 1194 01:03:36,084 --> 01:03:38,860 at Wembley, as well, which is always good. 1195 01:03:40,725 --> 01:03:44,780 After so much difficult and dark clays, 1196 01:03:44,805 --> 01:03:49,259 to be back as Liverpool Football Club, winning a trophy and winning 1197 01:03:49,284 --> 01:03:52,540 it with, you know, with the King in charge — it doesn't get any better, 1198 01:03:52,565 --> 01:03:54,580 to be honest. 1199 01:03:54,605 --> 01:03:58,259 The club had begun to heal, but to return to the success 1200 01:03:58,284 --> 01:04:00,650 of the past, they were going to have to turn their back 1201 01:04:00,675 --> 01:04:04,009 on tradition and rip up the Liverpool rule book. 1202 01:04:05,395 --> 01:04:08,860 I don't think that you can win in any sport 1203 01:04:08,885 --> 01:04:11,700 unless you attack every avenue 1204 01:04:11,725 --> 01:04:14,780 you have, to try to excel. 1205 01:04:14,805 --> 01:04:18,780 I was determined to see whether or not it would be possible 1206 01:04:18,805 --> 01:04:21,179 to use data analysis to help. 1207 01:04:22,395 --> 01:04:26,110 Every aspect of the club went under the microscope. 1208 01:04:26,135 --> 01:04:29,860 From diet, to player improvement, to player purchases... 1209 01:04:29,885 --> 01:04:32,730 No stone was left unanalysed. 1210 01:04:32,755 --> 01:04:36,290 That was about bringing in the right people who started to 1211 01:04:36,315 --> 01:04:41,780 develop our own sort of bespoke analysis and scouting systems, 1212 01:04:41,805 --> 01:04:46,780 and it was more one of not having a single individual 1213 01:04:46,805 --> 01:04:48,290 choosing the players. 1214 01:04:50,885 --> 01:04:54,420 The new way of working also applied to managers. 1215 01:04:54,445 --> 01:04:57,220 It didn't take a data analyst to figure out that league results 1216 01:04:57,245 --> 01:04:59,290 weren't great under Kenny. 1217 01:04:59,315 --> 01:05:02,860 Having unified the club, his time came to an end. 1218 01:05:04,084 --> 01:05:08,980 Kenny gives me a hard time still about that, but... And that's fine. 1219 01:05:10,365 --> 01:05:12,179 It was, of course, results. 1220 01:05:12,204 --> 01:05:16,900 And then I think also the ownership wanted a different, you know, 1221 01:05:16,925 --> 01:05:20,059 a more... Let's call it a more modern coach 1222 01:05:20,084 --> 01:05:21,750 with a more modern view. 1223 01:05:25,595 --> 01:05:28,820 I remember saying on the first day Brendan arrived in Liverpool, 1224 01:05:28,845 --> 01:05:32,009 saying to him... We were waiting to go to do the press conference. 1225 01:05:32,034 --> 01:05:34,900 I remember saying to him, you know, just as somebody who grew up here, 1226 01:05:34,925 --> 01:05:38,780 like, don't underestimate the size of this place. 1227 01:05:38,805 --> 01:05:41,570 You know, it's been 20 years since they've won the title, 1228 01:05:41,595 --> 01:05:45,290 and for sure, and the realism is we might not be ready for the title 1229 01:05:45,315 --> 01:05:48,570 now, but the process begins today 1230 01:05:48,595 --> 01:05:50,420 and it's a new cycle. 1231 01:05:50,445 --> 01:05:53,470 It was such a great learning curve for me, Liverpool. 1232 01:05:53,495 --> 01:05:56,420 You understand the size of Liverpool, 1233 01:05:56,445 --> 01:06:00,820 but you don't really, truly understand until you're there. 1234 01:06:00,845 --> 01:06:04,090 Rodgers may have been a modern manager, but there were early 1235 01:06:04,115 --> 01:06:08,059 tensions over transfer policy, which led to a very public fallout 1236 01:06:08,084 --> 01:06:10,929 between the new coach and the board. 1237 01:06:10,954 --> 01:06:16,570 So this created this... this problem which became one of the most 1238 01:06:16,595 --> 01:06:18,420 common headlines of the era. 1239 01:06:18,445 --> 01:06:20,980 You know, "Rodgers versus the transfer committee." 1240 01:06:21,005 --> 01:06:25,009 And it was interesting, because I don't remember a single time 1241 01:06:25,034 --> 01:06:28,139 in that process where we had a player that we brought 1242 01:06:28,164 --> 01:06:32,700 to the table in those... in those committee or group meetings 1243 01:06:32,725 --> 01:06:36,290 that we didn't all end up agreeing on, mostly. 1244 01:06:36,315 --> 01:06:38,290 Despite a tricky start, 1245 01:06:38,315 --> 01:06:40,860 Rodgers began to mould a great side. 1246 01:06:40,885 --> 01:06:44,700 Steven Gerrard was still there, along with a young Raheem Sterling. 1247 01:06:44,725 --> 01:06:47,259 But the player that spearheaded the Rodgers revolution 1248 01:06:47,284 --> 01:06:49,980 was a controversial, hungry Uruguayan... 1249 01:06:50,005 --> 01:06:51,650 Luis Suarez. 1250 01:06:51,675 --> 01:06:55,730 He was a dream to work with because he had that commitment 1251 01:06:55,755 --> 01:06:59,540 and drive to be the very, very best, and I think, in the two years 1252 01:06:59,565 --> 01:07:02,139 that we worked together, his numbers proved that 1253 01:07:02,164 --> 01:07:04,139 we worked very well together. 1254 01:07:04,164 --> 01:07:09,780 And Suarez's control is absolutely sublime! 1255 01:07:11,485 --> 01:07:13,700 Great to watch. 1256 01:07:13,725 --> 01:07:15,540 Great fun. 1257 01:07:15,565 --> 01:07:19,620 Till he started biting people, and then it all sort of went shipshape! 1258 01:07:19,645 --> 01:07:23,370 Going into the second season, February on, when we were starting 1259 01:07:23,395 --> 01:07:26,620 to get a run, was first v second when we played Arsenal. 1260 01:07:26,645 --> 01:07:29,090 It was just breathtaking football. 1261 01:07:29,115 --> 01:07:31,620 Sturridge in on goal for four! 1262 01:07:34,034 --> 01:07:37,750 I do feel that Brendan Rodgers was almost the start, 1263 01:07:37,775 --> 01:07:42,009 the very start of a consistent mounted challenge 1264 01:07:42,034 --> 01:07:44,199 and a consistently good team. 1265 01:07:46,695 --> 01:07:49,460 In 2014, you've got three games left. 1266 01:07:49,485 --> 01:07:51,929 All you've got to do is stay in front. 1267 01:07:57,445 --> 01:07:59,090 The Chelsea game at home, 1268 01:07:59,115 --> 01:08:00,620 we were so, so close. 1269 01:08:00,645 --> 01:08:02,780 It just felt like inches away. 1270 01:08:03,925 --> 01:08:05,650 Oh, Gerrard slipped. 1271 01:08:05,675 --> 01:08:08,179 Ba on to it. Ba against Mignolet here for Chelsea, 1272 01:08:08,204 --> 01:08:10,929 and Ba scores! Chelsea have the lead! 1273 01:08:12,825 --> 01:08:16,029 Steven Gerrard slipping is not why Liverpool didn't win the league. 1274 01:08:16,054 --> 01:08:19,059 You can't just blame it on that, but of course people loved it, 1275 01:08:19,084 --> 01:08:23,370 that they could turn it on him and use it against him. 1276 01:08:23,395 --> 01:08:27,420 How anyone can mention Steven Gerrard and the first thing 1277 01:08:27,445 --> 01:08:30,370 that comes to your mind is, "Oh yeah, slipping for the title." 1278 01:08:30,395 --> 01:08:34,139 I mean, the things that that lad did for that club 1279 01:08:34,164 --> 01:08:38,500 and, I mean, it just... Honestly, it just does my head in, really. 1280 01:08:40,034 --> 01:08:43,290 It was unfortunate, obviously, what happened to Steven. 1281 01:08:43,315 --> 01:08:47,059 And for me, that was the... That was the defining game, really. 1282 01:08:47,084 --> 01:08:49,700 It's all about forgetting the immediate past. 1283 01:08:49,725 --> 01:08:51,820 For Liverpool there can be no more stumbles. 1284 01:08:51,845 --> 01:08:52,929 They have to win here 1285 01:08:52,954 --> 01:08:55,179 and hope Manchester City slip up. 1286 01:08:55,204 --> 01:08:57,500 Sterling. Suarez! It's three! 1287 01:08:59,845 --> 01:09:02,210 I think we were chasing the goal difference, 1288 01:09:02,235 --> 01:09:06,780 and I made the point at half-time in that game specifically that 1289 01:09:06,805 --> 01:09:09,920 I felt we were taking too much risk in the game. 1290 01:09:09,945 --> 01:09:13,900 Up it goes to Glenn Murray, with the chest on. Here's Gayle! 1291 01:09:13,925 --> 01:09:15,650 It's 3—3! 1292 01:09:15,675 --> 01:09:19,259 It's all gone wrong, the title is disappearing! 1293 01:09:21,164 --> 01:09:22,650 We were great going forward. 1294 01:09:22,675 --> 01:09:25,850 We were just that bit inconsistent defending. 1295 01:09:25,875 --> 01:09:28,500 I've got no doubt, if we'd Virgil van Dijk in our back four 1296 01:09:28,525 --> 01:09:31,389 at that point, we would've won the league. 1297 01:09:31,414 --> 01:09:37,079 In two games, the dream has vanished into an unbelievable nightmare. 1298 01:09:39,255 --> 01:09:41,929 We were genuinely very, very close to doing it. 1299 01:09:41,954 --> 01:09:44,420 But unfortunately, destiny didn't take us there. 1300 01:09:44,445 --> 01:09:47,929 We just couldn't quite get over the line. 1301 01:09:47,954 --> 01:09:51,700 Despite reaching two semifinals the following season, Liverpool 1302 01:09:51,725 --> 01:09:54,139 were well off the pace in the league. 1303 01:09:54,164 --> 01:09:57,730 The club, it seemed, was in transition again. 1304 01:09:57,755 --> 01:10:00,929 We'd obviously lost Luis, who was a talisman, and really 1305 01:10:00,954 --> 01:10:02,730 the team in terms of how we played. 1306 01:10:02,755 --> 01:10:07,370 So we spent two seasons in building a model of intensity and aggression 1307 01:10:07,395 --> 01:10:09,780 and pressing and being creative. 1308 01:10:12,055 --> 01:10:15,340 Without Luis, we never replaced that. 1309 01:10:15,365 --> 01:10:20,139 I don't think there was any huge plan to sack Brendan Rodgers 1310 01:10:20,164 --> 01:10:22,370 when they did. We played Everton, 1311 01:10:22,395 --> 01:10:25,700 and in the press conference, Rodgers said... 1312 01:10:25,725 --> 01:10:27,929 We have to build something here again. 1313 01:10:27,954 --> 01:10:32,009 So it's going to take time, whether that's me or someone else. 1314 01:10:32,034 --> 01:10:35,159 And while he was right, Fenway believed that the players 1315 01:10:35,184 --> 01:10:40,290 that they'd brought in after Suarez were capable of winning the league. 1316 01:10:46,414 --> 01:10:50,540 At the time, we kind of thought... it seemed a little bit strange 1317 01:10:50,565 --> 01:10:53,780 and maybe a little bit harsh, and then you think, 1318 01:10:53,805 --> 01:10:56,420 "Ah, yeah, BUT... 1319 01:10:56,445 --> 01:10:58,009 "..who came in his place?" 1320 01:11:00,145 --> 01:11:01,670 Hello. 1321 01:11:07,204 --> 01:11:11,740 We were on a family holiday Lisbon, if I'm right. 1322 01:11:11,765 --> 01:11:15,460 I got a call from my agent and he told me 1323 01:11:15,485 --> 01:11:18,370 about the interest of Liverpool. 1324 01:11:18,395 --> 01:11:20,900 So we had our plans in that time, 1325 01:11:20,925 --> 01:11:23,389 that moment, looked completely different, actually, 1326 01:11:23,414 --> 01:11:27,850 because we wanted to make more holiday. 1327 01:11:30,515 --> 01:11:32,490 And then I told my family and the boys 1328 01:11:32,515 --> 01:11:35,059 were immediately like, "Yes!" 1329 01:11:35,084 --> 01:11:39,929 And I was looking in Ulla's eyes and she was, "Uh, when?" 1330 01:11:47,154 --> 01:11:51,340 When you make such a big promise, like I did after I left Dortmund 1331 01:11:51,365 --> 01:11:54,700 We will have a year just for us 1332 01:11:54,725 --> 01:11:57,770 And after four months, you come around the corner with different 1333 01:11:57,795 --> 01:12:00,350 plans and you have to ask, at least. 1334 01:12:02,214 --> 01:12:05,300 I remember watching jurgen in Dortmund when I was still 1335 01:12:05,325 --> 01:12:08,990 really a student of the game and thinking, "That's the kind 1336 01:12:09,015 --> 01:12:10,910 "of football we want to play." 1337 01:12:10,935 --> 01:12:13,750 I think they called it "heavy metal football". 1338 01:12:13,775 --> 01:12:16,860 When Mike Gordon called me one day and said, "We're going 1339 01:12:16,885 --> 01:12:20,430 "to have a chance to meet with jurgen in New York," 1340 01:12:20,455 --> 01:12:22,710 to me that was one most exciting phone calls I've got 1341 01:12:22,735 --> 01:12:25,930 during the ten years that we've been with the club. 1342 01:12:28,035 --> 01:12:32,139 We met in New York in some law offices and it was as secretive 1343 01:12:32,164 --> 01:12:33,580 as it could be. 1344 01:12:33,605 --> 01:12:39,269 And for whatever reason, we got away with it, without it making the news. 1345 01:12:39,294 --> 01:12:42,630 I was pretty much on fire from the first second 1346 01:12:42,655 --> 01:12:44,500 They didn't have to convince me, really. 1347 01:12:44,525 --> 01:12:46,790 Well, I'm a totally normal guy. 1348 01:12:46,815 --> 01:12:49,269 I'm the normal one, maybe if you want this. 1349 01:12:49,294 --> 01:12:51,189 LAUGHTER 1350 01:12:52,964 --> 01:12:55,750 jurgen Klopp the manager is a fantastic manager, 1351 01:12:55,775 --> 01:12:58,710 I think one of the best in the world. 1352 01:12:58,735 --> 01:13:00,389 Jurgen is a perfect fit. 1353 01:13:00,414 --> 01:13:04,220 Leadership is a transfer of emotion, 1354 01:13:04,245 --> 01:13:06,189 and he does that well. 1355 01:13:06,214 --> 01:13:09,790 Jurgen Klopp the person is what you see on TV. 1356 01:13:09,815 --> 01:13:14,110 You know, he's a very open, funny, bubbly guy. 1357 01:13:14,135 --> 01:13:17,139 Sometimes he'll go shout about something. 1358 01:13:17,164 --> 01:13:19,660 Even when you're scoring goals, he scream. 1359 01:13:19,685 --> 01:13:22,290 Obviously he's the boss. That's what he shows as well. 1360 01:13:22,315 --> 01:13:26,270 But you can always talk to him and he will be there for you as well. 1361 01:13:26,295 --> 01:13:28,520 I think he gets the Scouse humour, if you like. 1362 01:13:28,545 --> 01:13:30,239 The next one is... 1363 01:13:30,264 --> 01:13:31,909 Givin' it bifters. 1364 01:13:33,855 --> 01:13:36,909 I cannot act, the last thing I can do is act, acting. 1365 01:13:36,934 --> 01:13:40,109 That's why I admire actors so much, because I've no chance. 1366 01:13:40,134 --> 01:13:41,960 Givin' it bifters. 1367 01:13:41,985 --> 01:13:44,989 Anyone who spends any time with Jurgen, however you feel when you go 1368 01:13:45,014 --> 01:13:47,470 into a room, when you come out of it, you feel better. 1369 01:13:47,495 --> 01:13:49,650 I love it. Unless he's shouting at you. 1370 01:13:49,675 --> 01:13:52,109 Despite the smiley demeanour, he can be angry. 1371 01:13:52,134 --> 01:13:53,630 You wouldn't want to mess with him. 1372 01:13:53,655 --> 01:13:56,520 You know, he's always up for the fight. 1373 01:13:56,545 --> 01:13:59,109 The Wizard by Black Sabbath 1374 01:14:01,775 --> 01:14:05,190 If I would see another person doing what I do, I would think, 1375 01:14:05,215 --> 01:14:06,880 "Is he crazy?" 1376 01:14:06,905 --> 01:14:08,600 Well, he's fantastic. 1377 01:14:08,625 --> 01:14:12,039 I think he's like Shanks in another form. 1378 01:14:12,064 --> 01:14:14,830 That relationship that a coach 1379 01:14:14,855 --> 01:14:18,989 has with the fans dates back to the Shankly spirit. 1380 01:14:19,014 --> 01:14:22,520 Infectious. I think if you ask all of the lads, they would say 1381 01:14:22,545 --> 01:14:25,800 the same thing, you know, what he does for us as players, 1382 01:14:25,825 --> 01:14:28,039 as people, is incredible. 1383 01:14:28,064 --> 01:14:30,159 For me, life is completely about relationships. 1384 01:14:30,184 --> 01:14:31,880 I don't want to live alone on a mountain. 1385 01:14:31,905 --> 01:14:34,600 I want to inspire people. I want to be inspired by people. 1386 01:14:34,625 --> 01:14:37,239 I want to love. I want to be loved. 1387 01:14:37,264 --> 01:14:42,720 He's a large man with a large heart and an incredible passion for doing 1388 01:14:42,745 --> 01:14:44,650 things the right way. 1389 01:14:44,675 --> 01:14:49,630 His charisma and his leadership, and actually his way of working 1390 01:14:49,655 --> 01:14:51,960 has been a breath of fresh air. 1391 01:14:53,014 --> 01:14:56,190 The best word I can say that will describe this was "boom!" 1392 01:14:56,215 --> 01:14:58,320 LAUGHTER 1393 01:14:58,345 --> 01:15:00,320 "W00! What was this?" It was really good. 1394 01:15:01,775 --> 01:15:04,440 There was now a real buzz around Liverpool. 1395 01:15:04,465 --> 01:15:08,270 It was just one part of Klopp's master plan to reenergise the club 1396 01:15:08,295 --> 01:15:11,000 and create a proper football culture. 1397 01:15:12,235 --> 01:15:16,880 I think he was trying to create a special atmosphere not only 1398 01:15:16,905 --> 01:15:20,550 within Melwood but within the whole club. 1399 01:15:20,575 --> 01:15:22,239 We played West Brom at home. 1400 01:15:22,264 --> 01:15:25,960 We scraped a 2-2 draw. The end of the game, 1401 01:15:25,985 --> 01:15:27,880 Klopp went onto the pitch, 1402 01:15:27,905 --> 01:15:31,750 he got all the players together and he applauded all the Kop. 1403 01:15:31,775 --> 01:15:34,080 And the next day all the journos are going, 1404 01:15:34,105 --> 01:15:35,909 "Well, what was all that about?" 1405 01:15:35,934 --> 01:15:39,960 He said, "Look, if I cannot convince my supporters, our own supporters, 1406 01:15:39,985 --> 01:15:44,600 "that we can score in the last few minutes of a game, what's the point 1407 01:15:44,625 --> 01:15:46,680 "of being a manager?" 1408 01:15:46,705 --> 01:15:50,320 We could understand it, because he was going on to us every single day 1409 01:15:50,345 --> 01:15:54,720 of what he wanted from our mentality and the never giving up. 1410 01:15:54,745 --> 01:15:57,630 And I feel as though that West Brom game, 1411 01:15:57,655 --> 01:16:00,680 the things that happened within the game, he could see 1412 01:16:00,705 --> 01:16:02,830 that that mentality was starting to change. 1413 01:16:02,855 --> 01:16:05,800 I didn't think about success Not about the long—term success, 1414 01:16:05,825 --> 01:16:08,139 winning the trophy, the title, whatever 1415 01:16:08,164 --> 01:16:10,830 But I thought about, "How can we improve the situation?" 1416 01:16:10,855 --> 01:16:13,840 So I had to remind the people maybe that this is a fair business, 1417 01:16:13,865 --> 01:16:17,480 if you want. We give all on the pitch and you have to give all 1418 01:16:17,505 --> 01:16:18,999 in the stands, as well. 1419 01:16:19,024 --> 01:16:22,530 We had a few conversations about that! 1420 01:16:22,555 --> 01:16:25,400 Liverpool were fighting again, the Klopp way... 1421 01:16:25,425 --> 01:16:27,890 High energy, high press“ 1422 01:16:27,915 --> 01:16:29,760 The fans loved it. 1423 01:16:29,785 --> 01:16:32,010 And jurgen loved the fans. 1424 01:16:32,035 --> 01:16:34,090 Klopp epitomises what Scousers like. 1425 01:16:34,115 --> 01:16:37,960 They like the fact that, you know, he shows that emotion 1426 01:16:37,985 --> 01:16:39,550 and he's connected with them. 1427 01:16:39,575 --> 01:16:42,919 Klopp straight away had become a hero to the Liverpool fans, 1428 01:16:42,944 --> 01:16:45,010 especially with his antics on the touchline 1429 01:16:45,035 --> 01:16:46,369 and the way he carries on. 1430 01:16:46,394 --> 01:16:48,890 You know, it's just he's passionate through and through, 1431 01:16:48,915 --> 01:16:50,970 which is what the Liverpool fans are looking for. 1432 01:16:50,995 --> 01:16:53,369 That's why we're up here now, trying to get a glimpse! 1433 01:16:53,394 --> 01:16:55,530 We only come for Klopp. 1434 01:17:01,865 --> 01:17:04,560 I metjurgen in his office at Melwood. 1435 01:17:05,865 --> 01:17:09,690 I hope he doesn't mind me saying this, that his son came 1436 01:17:09,715 --> 01:17:14,010 over and watched a game at Liverpool, went home and told his 1437 01:17:14,035 --> 01:17:17,450 dad, he said, "Oh, my gosh, Dad," he said, "the people of 1438 01:17:17,475 --> 01:17:21,280 "Liverpool, they're amazing, the way they stick together, the support 1439 01:17:21,305 --> 01:17:23,690 "they give the families of Hillsborough." 1440 01:17:23,715 --> 01:17:28,890 And he just said, "That was one of the reasons why I came, 1441 01:17:28,915 --> 01:17:31,690 "because of the people, the way they believe 1442 01:17:31,715 --> 01:17:36,939 "in what I believe in, is fairness, justice." 1443 01:17:36,964 --> 01:17:39,990 And I thought that was really nice of him. 1444 01:17:42,575 --> 01:17:47,110 The families of the 96 had spent years fighting for the truth. 1445 01:17:47,135 --> 01:17:49,110 Inquests and inquiries were held, 1446 01:17:49,135 --> 01:17:52,550 but no sense of justice was felt within the city. 1447 01:17:52,575 --> 01:17:56,500 In 2016, finally, a second inquiry 1448 01:17:56,525 --> 01:17:59,860 returned a conclusion of unlawful killing. 1449 01:17:59,885 --> 01:18:03,059 Your loved ones were unlawfully killed. 1450 01:18:03,084 --> 01:18:06,220 And, no, the fans were not to blame. 1451 01:18:06,245 --> 01:18:08,500 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 1452 01:18:12,375 --> 01:18:15,580 This was by no means the end, but it was a result 1453 01:18:15,605 --> 01:18:19,139 that could in some way start to heal the pain. 1454 01:18:22,294 --> 01:18:25,750 On the pitch, Liverpool were now scoring goals for fun... 1455 01:18:25,775 --> 01:18:28,220 Mane! 1456 01:18:28,245 --> 01:18:32,030 ...thanks to a new rock and roll front three. While scoring goals 1457 01:18:32,055 --> 01:18:35,269 wasn't a problem, stopping them still was. 1458 01:18:35,294 --> 01:18:41,030 Liverpool needed an organiser, and they found it in Virgil van Dijk. 1459 01:18:41,055 --> 01:18:43,860 Virgil van Dijk on debut! 1460 01:18:44,935 --> 01:18:49,139 He made an immediate impact and helped take them back to the final 1461 01:18:49,164 --> 01:18:50,910 of the Champions League. 1462 01:18:56,214 --> 01:18:59,220 They got to the final, and that gave them a belief that they could get 1463 01:18:59,245 --> 01:19:02,030 there and compete. But the next thing you've got to do 1464 01:19:02,055 --> 01:19:04,110 is get over the hump and win the trophy. 1465 01:19:04,135 --> 01:19:07,139 Salah's gone down. Yeah. That doesn't look too good. 1466 01:19:07,164 --> 01:19:09,630 He's got a blow in the face, I think. Shoulder? 1467 01:19:09,655 --> 01:19:12,030 I don't know how to describe it, but it's... 1468 01:19:12,055 --> 01:19:13,389 It was so sad for me. 1469 01:19:13,414 --> 01:19:17,580 It's, like, one of my worst time in football. 1470 01:19:17,605 --> 01:19:21,990 Well, he's in tears because of the pain and the agony of knowing 1471 01:19:22,015 --> 01:19:25,670 that he's about to leave the Champions League final. 1472 01:19:25,695 --> 01:19:28,269 I don't know, I don't want to be getting emotional with that, 1473 01:19:28,294 --> 01:19:30,420 but it was really bad. 1474 01:19:30,445 --> 01:19:33,939 Klopp never really thought about goalkeepers 1475 01:19:33,964 --> 01:19:37,910 in his management career, but he come to Liverpool and he inherited 1476 01:19:37,935 --> 01:19:41,389 a problem. So they persisted with Mignolet. Lots of mistakes, 1477 01:19:41,414 --> 01:19:44,269 lots of errors. Then they brought Karius in. 1478 01:19:44,294 --> 01:19:47,910 Ah! Oh! It's in! Thrown out by Karius, and it's in the net! 1479 01:19:47,935 --> 01:19:50,830 A freak goal in the Champions League final. 1480 01:19:50,855 --> 01:19:53,139 He cost them a Champions League. 1481 01:19:53,164 --> 01:19:55,139 Here's Bale shooting from long range. 1482 01:19:55,164 --> 01:19:56,830 What a mistake by Karius. 1483 01:19:57,805 --> 01:20:00,750 At that point, Klopp goes, "Enough is enough. 1484 01:20:00,775 --> 01:20:02,910 "We need a top-class goalkeeper." 1485 01:20:02,935 --> 01:20:05,269 They went and bought Alisson Becker. 1486 01:20:05,294 --> 01:20:06,939 It's so hard to get to that point. 1487 01:20:06,964 --> 01:20:11,110 And then if you can't, you can't win the final match, particularly 1488 01:20:11,135 --> 01:20:14,780 the way I think we lost it, that was hard. 1489 01:20:14,805 --> 01:20:17,830 But I rememberjurgen saying at the time, "We'll be back, 1490 01:20:17,855 --> 01:20:19,420 "we'll be back," 1491 01:20:19,445 --> 01:20:21,990 and damned if we weren't! 1492 01:20:22,015 --> 01:20:25,139 Klopp now had the Premier League in his sights. 1493 01:20:25,164 --> 01:20:29,220 The target was to overcome incumbent champions Manchester City, 1494 01:20:29,245 --> 01:20:31,189 who'd broken the 100—point barrier 1495 01:20:31,214 --> 01:20:33,350 for the first time the previous season. 1496 01:20:33,375 --> 01:20:37,420 What ensued was one of the greatest battles in sporting history. 1497 01:20:37,445 --> 01:20:39,269 Sterling to Sane... 1498 01:20:39,294 --> 01:20:40,939 Sane! 1499 01:20:42,495 --> 01:20:47,269 Liverpool lost just one game all season — but it was against City, 1500 01:20:47,294 --> 01:20:51,700 who went on to win the league by a single point on the final day. 1501 01:20:51,725 --> 01:20:56,500 Manchester City are there. Premier League champions once more! 1502 01:20:57,725 --> 01:21:02,830 To finish the end of the season on 97 points and not win the league... 1503 01:21:02,855 --> 01:21:07,309 In fact, lose it by one point to Manchester City — is incredible. 1504 01:21:07,334 --> 01:21:11,059 Yeah, it was obviously bitterly disappointing. To have such 1505 01:21:11,084 --> 01:21:14,830 an incredible season but just to come up short... 1506 01:21:15,805 --> 01:21:18,269 ...was hard to take. 1507 01:21:18,294 --> 01:21:19,630 I enjoyed every bit of it. 1508 01:21:19,655 --> 01:21:22,340 And I know that after the Wolves game, our last game of the season, 1509 01:21:22,365 --> 01:21:26,750 that I wanted to at least be there again with the same amount 1510 01:21:26,775 --> 01:21:28,860 of points, and win the league. 1511 01:21:32,084 --> 01:21:34,860 Solace did come in the Champions League. 1512 01:21:34,885 --> 01:21:36,860 The big European nights were back, 1513 01:21:36,885 --> 01:21:38,780 and now there was one that topped 1514 01:21:38,805 --> 01:21:42,830 them all. We came into Anfield in the semifinals against Barcelona 1515 01:21:42,855 --> 01:21:44,420 down three to nothing. 1516 01:21:44,445 --> 01:21:49,030 To come back was an extraordinary experience. 1517 01:21:49,055 --> 01:21:52,139 Oh! It's in! Ohhh, he's put it in! 1518 01:21:52,164 --> 01:21:57,420 It's Origi! Liverpool 4 Barcelona O! 1519 01:21:57,445 --> 01:22:00,550 The greatest European comeback ever. 1520 01:22:00,575 --> 01:22:04,470 Well, we all know that magic happens at Anfield. European nights 1521 01:22:04,495 --> 01:22:06,700 are just different at Anfield to any other place. 1522 01:22:06,725 --> 01:22:08,389 Everybody was, like, crazy. 1523 01:22:08,414 --> 01:22:12,760 That's one of the best games maybe in the history of football. 1524 01:22:17,345 --> 01:22:21,450 The final was an all-English affair in Madrid. After the season 1525 01:22:21,475 --> 01:22:23,560 they'd had it was almost unthinkable 1526 01:22:23,585 --> 01:22:27,249 that Liverpool would finish it empty-handed. 1527 01:22:27,274 --> 01:22:30,369 We were having dinner before the game. 1528 01:22:30,394 --> 01:22:33,840 Then I think it was me, Dejan, Bobby, Ali and Virge, 1529 01:22:33,865 --> 01:22:39,200 some big group, and Gini, and we were talking, like, "We cannot lose 1530 01:22:39,225 --> 01:22:42,090 "two finals in a row. It just doesn't work." 1531 01:22:42,115 --> 01:22:45,105 If you lost the Champions League, no-one would remember you, 1532 01:22:45,130 --> 01:22:48,235 because in the end you won nothing. You didn't win the Premier League, 1533 01:22:48,260 --> 01:22:51,306 didn't win the Champions League two years in a row. It was crazy. 1534 01:22:51,331 --> 01:22:53,876 It was too much pressure, to be honest. 1535 01:22:53,901 --> 01:22:55,946 Origi. Left—footed shot. 1536 01:22:55,971 --> 01:22:57,636 He's scored! 1537 01:22:57,661 --> 01:23:01,546 Origi makes it 2-0 to Liverpool. 1538 01:23:01,571 --> 01:23:04,186 I was never more relaxed in a final than in this one... 1539 01:23:04,211 --> 01:23:07,105 OK, maybe because I lost so many, I don't know. 1540 01:23:07,130 --> 01:23:11,025 But it was absolutely great, what the boys did that night. 1541 01:23:12,260 --> 01:23:15,636 It's been a long wait for jurgen Klopp's Liverpool 1542 01:23:15,661 --> 01:23:19,876 to find success, but they've got there in the end, 1543 01:23:19,901 --> 01:23:23,546 and they've got there with the biggest trophy of all. 1544 01:23:29,260 --> 01:23:32,275 To finally get over the line was an amazing feeling. 1545 01:23:32,300 --> 01:23:34,275 Of course, relief was in there, as well. 1546 01:23:34,300 --> 01:23:37,796 But the lads deserved it, you know, and it was a matter of time. 1547 01:23:37,821 --> 01:23:40,796 Y'know, winning the Champions League is a dream come true, 1548 01:23:40,821 --> 01:23:43,876 I think for all of us — for every football player, every young player 1549 01:23:43,901 --> 01:23:48,275 that's, you know, out there. I'll never forget Klopp on the bus 1550 01:23:48,300 --> 01:23:49,876 for the celebrations. 1551 01:23:49,901 --> 01:23:52,666 I thought he was going to throw himself off at some point. 1552 01:23:52,691 --> 01:23:56,876 It was wonderful to see just that sheer happiness. 1553 01:24:00,491 --> 01:24:02,466 The place was jumping, 1554 01:24:02,491 --> 01:24:04,996 but Liverpool stood still. 1555 01:24:05,021 --> 01:24:07,076 They made no signings of note. 1556 01:24:07,101 --> 01:24:10,596 There was a belief and confidence that the squad was good enough 1557 01:24:10,621 --> 01:24:14,025 and consistent enough to end that 30-year wait. 1558 01:24:17,971 --> 01:24:21,666 In the beginning of the season, you want to win it so bad. 1559 01:24:21,691 --> 01:24:24,946 You want to achieve something for the club, which... the main 1560 01:24:24,971 --> 01:24:26,826 target was the Premier League. 1561 01:24:26,851 --> 01:24:30,516 Can Liverpool become the champions of England again? 1562 01:24:30,541 --> 01:24:34,155 Now, that is becoming an age-old question. 1563 01:24:34,180 --> 01:24:35,186 Origi! 1564 01:24:35,211 --> 01:24:36,586 4-0. 1565 01:24:36,611 --> 01:24:38,666 Robertson. Cracker of a cross. 1566 01:24:38,691 --> 01:24:41,275 Brilliant Salah header. 1567 01:24:41,300 --> 01:24:43,916 When you beat Man City, it gives you more confidence, as well, 1568 01:24:43,941 --> 01:24:46,905 that you beat the champion. We've had the odd game or two 1569 01:24:46,930 --> 01:24:50,235 where we've not been brilliant and we're still winning. 1570 01:24:50,260 --> 01:24:54,796 The outcome always seems to be the same. Liverpool win. 1571 01:24:54,821 --> 01:24:57,905 And this machine that was Liverpool was just rolling 1572 01:24:57,930 --> 01:25:01,105 and rolling and rolling. I think by December, the players 1573 01:25:01,130 --> 01:25:04,076 knew that they were going to win the league. 1574 01:25:04,101 --> 01:25:07,155 Trent Alexander—Arnold! It's four! 1575 01:25:07,180 --> 01:25:10,796 I think consistency comes from mentality — when you keep 1576 01:25:10,821 --> 01:25:14,105 winning then there's no reason to change. 1577 01:25:14,130 --> 01:25:17,155 We have a saying, as well, that we use, that we defend together 1578 01:25:17,180 --> 01:25:21,275 and we attack together, and that's the mentality throughout the team. 1579 01:25:21,300 --> 01:25:23,996 They are such a good team at the minute. 1580 01:25:24,021 --> 01:25:25,996 Salah charges towards him... 1581 01:25:26,021 --> 01:25:28,386 ...to score! 1582 01:25:28,411 --> 01:25:31,916 I was excited after the goal, and the celebration from the fans 1583 01:25:31,941 --> 01:25:35,275 was crazy, and it was really special for everybody. 1584 01:25:36,901 --> 01:25:40,636 And then we were, like, all these points ahead, easily. 1585 01:25:42,101 --> 01:25:43,105 And then... 1586 01:25:44,971 --> 01:25:49,025 Coronavirus is the biggest threat this country has faced for decades. 1587 01:25:49,050 --> 01:25:52,716 The virus CAN be passed from human to human. 1588 01:25:52,741 --> 01:25:55,225 You must stay at home. 1589 01:25:55,250 --> 01:25:58,826 Sport has simply never seen anything quite like this... event after event 1590 01:25:58,851 --> 01:26:01,076 being cancelled the world over. 1591 01:26:01,101 --> 01:26:04,466 And ultimately, this season has to be simply abandoned. 1592 01:26:04,491 --> 01:26:07,105 People say they're cancelling the league. Some people are saying, 1593 01:26:07,130 --> 01:26:08,796 "You cannot play any more." 1594 01:26:08,821 --> 01:26:13,275 It was stress somehow and everybody maybe started to panic. 1595 01:26:13,300 --> 01:26:16,636 I was home during that time with the family. 1596 01:26:16,661 --> 01:26:21,225 They had that time before, so I was using it to enjoy it. 1597 01:26:21,250 --> 01:26:24,716 Football fans everywhere felt the pain of lockdown. 1598 01:26:25,851 --> 01:26:29,746 But Liverpool's fans and players had the extra anxiety of wondering 1599 01:26:29,771 --> 01:26:33,586 if, after all this time, the title was going to be snatched 1600 01:26:33,611 --> 01:26:36,716 from their grasp. It would have been awful, 1601 01:26:36,741 --> 01:26:39,586 one, to have it void, but it wouldn't have been the same 1602 01:26:39,611 --> 01:26:42,716 if people had just said, "Well, you can have it." 1603 01:26:42,741 --> 01:26:46,306 It was tough, as well, for you to think after that long season 1604 01:26:46,331 --> 01:26:47,916 and after that year 1605 01:26:47,941 --> 01:26:51,876 they're going to cancel the Premier League again. That's bad! 1606 01:27:01,461 --> 01:27:03,746 30 years of turmoil, 1607 01:27:03,771 --> 01:27:06,826 of agony, of underachieving, 1608 01:27:06,851 --> 01:27:12,105 of hope and of desperately wondering when — if ever... 1609 01:27:12,130 --> 01:27:14,826 It was going to happen again. 1610 01:27:14,851 --> 01:27:18,516 Liverpool are almost there. They will be champions 1611 01:27:18,541 --> 01:27:22,916 if Manchester City fail to win at Chelsea tomorrow. 1612 01:27:22,941 --> 01:27:26,105 The manager obviously organised for us to watch it all together, 1613 01:27:26,130 --> 01:27:28,916 which, looking back, was a very good decision. 1614 01:27:32,661 --> 01:27:35,516 In the 90th minute, I was still... I was still watching. 1615 01:27:35,541 --> 01:27:38,666 I just wanted the whistle to go because I'd been so close 1616 01:27:38,691 --> 01:27:41,556 so many times before that you just never know what can happen in 1617 01:27:41,581 --> 01:27:44,916 football. So when that final whistle went and we became champions, 1618 01:27:44,941 --> 01:27:48,916 it was an incredible feeling, and very emotional for all of us. 1619 01:27:49,891 --> 01:27:54,996 Liverpool's 30-year wait comes to an end today. 1620 01:27:55,021 --> 01:27:56,866 Come on! 1621 01:27:56,891 --> 01:28:00,326 To be with the team—mates in that time is something special. 1622 01:28:00,351 --> 01:28:03,175 Liverpool have become the Premier League champions. 1623 01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:07,406 They've won their first English top-flight title since 1990. 1624 01:28:08,871 --> 01:28:11,936 It's strange, of course, because you can't celebrate it with the fans, 1625 01:28:11,961 --> 01:28:14,456 but I think the feeling of looking back and thinking 1626 01:28:14,481 --> 01:28:17,016 what I've achieved in my career so far, 1627 01:28:17,041 --> 01:28:20,096 you know, I think that feeling would probably be the same, 1628 01:28:20,121 --> 01:28:23,045 but the celebration obviously would be totally different. 1629 01:28:23,070 --> 01:28:26,736 I cried a lot that night, which I don't do a lot. 1630 01:28:26,761 --> 01:28:29,456 But, obviously, I realised in that moment how much it meant 1631 01:28:29,481 --> 01:28:34,206 to me, as well, and was big, is big, and will be big forever. 1632 01:28:35,631 --> 01:28:39,295 The Premier League is the most difficult league in the world 1633 01:28:39,320 --> 01:28:43,206 and the most difficult challenge that I've ever faced. 1634 01:28:44,270 --> 01:28:49,936 It's so weird to be lifting the trophy up on 96 points... 1635 01:28:49,961 --> 01:28:52,536 A point for every one of them who died. 1636 01:28:53,511 --> 01:28:56,536 Some things are just meant to be, and I'm sure every single one of 1637 01:28:56,561 --> 01:28:59,576 them were looking over us on that night. 1638 01:28:59,601 --> 01:29:02,816 In this moment — for just a moment... 1639 01:29:02,841 --> 01:29:07,576 All of the emotions that had built up over the years were set free. 1640 01:29:11,351 --> 01:29:15,375 When I come to Liverpool, that was the one trophy I wanted to win. 1641 01:29:15,400 --> 01:29:18,016 To finally do it and be a part of it is an incredible feeling, 1642 01:29:18,041 --> 01:29:19,736 and I'm incredibly proud to be a part 1643 01:29:19,761 --> 01:29:22,295 of this football club and this football team. 1644 01:29:23,351 --> 01:29:27,736 Liverpool Football Club were finally League Champions again... 1645 01:29:27,761 --> 01:29:30,456 A title 30 years in the making. 1646 01:29:30,481 --> 01:29:34,045 I came, but I didn't make a revolution. 1647 01:29:34,070 --> 01:29:37,486 I just wanted to have a sort of evolution. 1648 01:29:42,070 --> 01:29:44,096 It's really a sense of proud 1649 01:29:44,121 --> 01:29:46,886 that you have been part of this massive club. 1650 01:29:50,991 --> 01:29:53,295 30 years. It's been a hell of a long time. 1651 01:29:53,320 --> 01:29:56,016 We went very close, and I only wish that we could have done it, 1652 01:29:56,041 --> 01:29:58,816 but at least they haven't had to wait too long. 1653 01:30:00,841 --> 01:30:04,526 As a story in football, it doesn't come any better than that, does it? 1654 01:30:06,871 --> 01:30:10,766 Liverpool did it, and that's all because of you, and that's why 1655 01:30:10,791 --> 01:30:12,936 we all, together, deserve it this year.139710

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