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Louis: How many clients
have you seen this week?
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Woman: Five or six.
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You take the cash before
anything happens?
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- Yes, I do. Yes.
- And count it?
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- Yes. I always count it
in front of them.
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- Yeah, I would find that
embarrassing if I was an escort.
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But I'm not,
but Caroline's more mercenary.
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- [sighs] I'm ready.
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- Mmm. Mmm, OK.
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- But I just wanted to say that
I belong to you.
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I'm yours, but I want to give
myself to another man...
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- Mmm.
- ..for an hour.
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So I just wondered if you could
give me away to him?
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- OK, darling. Yes, I give you
away to Dave for the hour.
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- Yeah.
- Mmm.
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- Mmm. Thank you.
- [they kiss]
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[soft solemn music]
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Louis: For several months,
I've been spending time with
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women around Britain who legally
sell sex for a living.
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- Bah! [laughs]
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- Fuelled by websites
and social media,
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a new economy has emerged,
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bringing a world of
transactional sex
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to people who might never
previously have considered it.
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- [reads] A splendidly
satisfactory young lady.
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- Wow! That one's almost,
I don't know, written in...
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- Eloquent.
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- ..sort of Victorian English.
- [laughs]
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But the act still carries
a weight of stigma,
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and many view it as damaging
and degrading.
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- People say that I'm a bad mum
and stuff like that,
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'cause I do what I do.
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But, you know,
we're just providing a service,
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that's what we're doing.
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- Raising the question of
whether selling sex
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can ever be a healthy way
to make money.
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[reads] I'm very relaxed
and will give you a genuine,
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not acted,
real girlfriend experience.
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I promise you that we will have
a time you will never forget.
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[soft music]
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[computer keystrokes]
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In Nottingham,
I had a breakfast appointment.
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[knock on door]
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- Hi! Louis.
- Hello!
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- Are you Victoria?
- I am.
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- Nice to meet you.
- And you.
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- Can we come in?
- Yeah, come on in.
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What do you want, you lot?
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Who's having toast?
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- At 33 years old, Victoria,
her working name,
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is a single mum and sole
provider for her family.
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- No.
- Kid: Yeah!
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- For the last 4.5 years,
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she's worked in
the sex industry.
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- How many children do you have?
- Four.
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- Socks would be a bonus
at some point, wouldn't they?
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- Listen to Mummy. You need to
go and put your socks on.
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- Kid: Yay!
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- Victoria: Bye!
- Louis: Bye!
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- I'll let you sit on
the comfy chair. [laughs]
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This is me, yeah.
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- Like an increasing number
of women who sell sex,
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Victoria finds her clients
through social media
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and a website called Adult Work.
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- So, I'll show you my profile.
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- Is that you?
- That's me, yeah.
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- [reads] Classy Filth69.
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I'm very honest, caring, upfront
and extremely classy lady,
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who enjoys all the finer things
in life,
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but when it comes to
the bedroom,
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I'm the most naughtiest,
filthiest lady
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you would ever meet.
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- What do you think?
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- It's the Yin and the Yang.
I like it.
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- Yeah.
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- And how many bookings would
you expect to get on a day
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when you are on?
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- I normally get about four.
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- So, that...
- Four in one day?
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- Yeah.
So you gotta understand
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I still like to take
the children to school,
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so, and then I'll try
and do my bookings,
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the majority of them, while
the children are at school.
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- It's important to you
to be around for the kids?
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- Yeah. So, I always say, like,
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my main job is to be a mother.
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Then the second is,
obviously, work.
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That's why this is a perfect job
for me, you know?
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Flexible.
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- Louis: Victoria never
takes bookings at home.
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She does most of her
appointments
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at hotels around Nottingham,
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charging around 250 pounds
an hour.
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How much do we know about
this guy? This client?
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- I've seen him practically,
like, once a week he sees me.
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He's a single guy.
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He can just keep going and going
and going and going.
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- Are you aware of there being
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a degree of danger
involved in the work?
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- There's a danger in anything,
isn't there?
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And I think that this
is a lot less dangerous
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than me on a night out,
being drunk and meeting somebody
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and going back to a hotel
with somebody.
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But I think you just
have to be on guard.
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[soft music]
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- Have you worked
in this one before?
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- Yes.
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- Do you need to get into...
- I need to get changed.
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- I need to jump in the shower.
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- You need to get into
game mode. Yeah.
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[shower running]
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[phone chimes]
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- I'm coming.
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Going and going, isn't it?
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That's it, I'm dressed now.
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- That's all the jobs coming.
- Is it?
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- Yeah.
- It's popping off?
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- Yeah, it's dinner time.
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- Dinner time.
- Yeah, break time.
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- Right.
People on their lunch break...
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- Yeah.
- Popping out for a quickie.
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- Yeah.
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[knock on door]
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- With the client arriving,
it was time for me to leave.
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The exchange of sex for money
is legal in Britain
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so long as it doesn't involve
coercion, exploitation
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or any kind of public nuisance.
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And with the advent
of social media
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and specialist websites
it is on the rise.
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Technology has made sexual
services more accessible
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than ever before,
with every taste catered to.
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Users can see photos,
check reviews
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and offer feedback.
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But the age old issue
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of whether sex should ever be
traded remains.
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[pensive music]
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A growing number
of those involved
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are said to be students
trying to make ends meet
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while they pursue an education.
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In South West London
I was meeting a 23-year-old
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in her final year of art school.
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- Hello!
- Come in.
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- Are you Ashleigh?
- That's me.
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- Louis. How do you do?
- Hi! Can we hug instead?
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- Of course.
- [laughs]
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- Louis: For several years,
Ashleigh had streamed
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live sex shows from home
for money.
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Six weeks earlier she'd taken
the step of opening an account
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on an industry website.
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- Welcome! [laughs]
- I like it. Top floor.
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Ashleigh also has Asperger's.
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She lives with her best friend,
Georgina.
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It's really nice.
It's got so much character.
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So I understand you've got
a booking tonight?
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- Yeah, at eight o'clock.
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- Did it come through
Adult Work?
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- Yeah. So, I put myself
as available
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at about three o'clock today,
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and this guy messaged me,
being like, "Oh, I'm in Fulham.
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"Can you come out for an hour?"
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And he was, like, "I'm 25,
5 foot 10, same height as you.
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"Clean." Like, I know.
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Like, it's gonna...
Yeah, it should be fine.
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- Have you got reviews
of the guy?
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- That I'm going to see?
- Yeah.
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- OK, let me have a look.
- Have you looked at them?
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- No. Let me go and look.
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Well, they were all positive
so, like, that was fine.
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- Yeah. If you go on it
and they're all positive...
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- So, he's got 498.
- ..there's not really a...
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- [gasps]
- Louis: Reviews?
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- Yeah. "Good guy. Big cock.
Knows how to use it." Ah!
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[laughs]
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"One hour full of orgasms
and pleasure. Kiss, kiss, kiss."
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- "Expected someone coy. Was
instead surprised by a real man,
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"someone who genuinely taught me
so much about my own body."
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- Maybe I'm in for a wild ride
tonight.
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- Wow!
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- "Handsome and possessed great
skill."
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- Who knows? Maybe I'll come out
a different woman?
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- Sounds like you've got someone
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who's been around the block
a few times.
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- Oh, I'm ready for it.
Bring it on, bitch!
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[laughter]
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- Brm, brm! Can I get dressed?
- Yeah, please. Yeah.
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- I'm getting nervous. Sorry.
Brm, brm! [chuckles]
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- Gonna be really late.
- Well, let's just go then.
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- [laughs]
- Let's go.
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- I'll just be, like, "Ah, ah!"
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- How are you feeling?
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- I'm fine, to be honest. I'm,
like, excited. It's quite fun.
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Like, it's like going out,
but without the commitment,
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'cause it's only one hour
and I can leave.
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- How many bookings
would you say you've had
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in the six weeks
you've been doing it?
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- Oh, gosh. 50?
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Yeah, maybe? Yeah.
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- That's quite a lot, isn't it?
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- I know that a lot of people
say, like,
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"Oh, you don't have to do this,"
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like, you know,
"Saviour complex."
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Like, I don't need to be saved.
I'm doing it on my own terms,
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and I'm actually in power
in this situation.
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And I feel empowered by it,
and if that's how I feel,
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then that's all that matters
really, you know what I mean?
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- Would you expect to have
an orgasm if you had sex?
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- No. I think that I'm, like,
a bit closed off with
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letting myself
have the enjoyment.
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It's more about the scenario.
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I will orgasm if I'm in a
scenario where I feel calm
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and comfortable, as opposed to,
like, the actual pleasure.
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- But you'd expect to be
aroused?
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- Well, I just get aroused
by being touched.
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- Do you?
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- Yeah, like, if you were to put
your arm on my leg right now,
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I'd probably be aroused.
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Like, people always compliment
me, I guess, being, like,
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"Oh, you're always so wet.
You must be so into it."
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And I'm just, like, "Honey,
I'm always wet," like...
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[laughs] I'm just aroused
a lot of the time.'
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Yeah. [laughs]
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- OK, then.
- [laughs]
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Let me just have a cigarette.
[laughs]
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[solemn music]
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- With a moment to myself,
I reflected on the strangeness
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of what was taking place.
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Behind a closed door,
Ashleigh was providing
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what is usually understood to be
the most intimate physical act
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to a stranger for money.
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I wondered whether she was safe
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and how she really felt
about what was happening.
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An hour later, she re-emerged.
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- How was it?
- It was great!
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- I don't know, he was, like,
I'm 23, he was, like, 25,
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and he had, like, nice hair,
and he was kind of, like,
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cool, I guess.
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- And I was just, like...
- Really?
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- "I would date you, I don't
know why you're paying me,
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"'cause I would go on a date
with you."
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And I said to him, I was like,
"Why do you use Adult Work?
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"Like, why not just go on Tinder
or whatever?"
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And he was like,
"On the weekend,
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"it's popping off on Tinder.
During the week, not so much.
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"Everyone's got a job, so gotta
get on the old Adult Work
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"and it's less, like,
commitment, innit?"
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- Well, I'm just conscious
that you are six weeks in.
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- It's still really...
- Early days.
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- ..early days.
- Exactly.
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I've been so lucky
with the clients that I've got
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and the way that, like,
it's gone for me.
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- So, now you are feeling,
what's in your...
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- I feel great.
I've got money in my bag.
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I've been sexually satisfied.
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[laughs] I'm gonna go home
and order a pizza.
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Probably chain smoke
some Marlboro cigarettes,
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menthol at the moment.
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[solemn music]
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[plane engine]
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- Louis: The common criticism
of selling sex,
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that the act is necessarily
intimate
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and should not be traded,
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is made even more real
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when the person involved
is in a relationship.
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I was curious to meet a woman
participating in
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the sexual economy but who is
part of a committed couple.
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- Hello!
- Hi!
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- Can I come in?
- Come in.
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- How are you?
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In West Sussex,
I was with Caroline,
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who describes herself
as an escort,
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and her husband of 44 years,
Graham,
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a chartered surveyor.
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- On my wedding day was
one of the first times
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I discovered that I loved being
the centre of attention.
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- Mmm.
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How old were you both?
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- I was 19, and Graham was 23.
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- And you were both virgins?
- Mm-hm.
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- Yeah.
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- Because you'd come from
quite a religious upbringing,
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- both of you.
- Yes. Yeah.
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It wasn't the done thing to have
sex before you got married.
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Graham would have done,
if I'd let him.
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- But must be quite difficult.
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Neither of you
with any sexual experience
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attempting to have sex
for the first time?
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- Yeah. Yes, it was interesting.
- Graham: Did it work?
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- No.
- Oh!
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[laughter]
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- Didn't go very well?
- Didn't go very well.
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- It wasn't a revelatory
experience?
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- No.
- Do you remember it?
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- [laughs]
- Vaguely. Not very well. No.
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- [laughs]
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- It was just on the M1,
wasn't it? Trying to get North.
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- [laughs]
- Newport Pagnell.
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- Oh, yeah! [laughs]
- Is that a metaphor?
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- Well, no, it was Newport...
- We went... [laughs]
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We went to the Lake District
for our honeymoon,
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so we stopped halfway
in a Travelodge overnight.
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- It took a while for you to get
comfortable with your sexuality?
302
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- Yeah. Definitely. Yeah.
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I mean, it took quite a few
years, in fact.
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Quite a few years.
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[soft music]
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- Put your head down over...
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- Louis: Downstairs, Caroline
and Graham had arranged
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a photo shoot
for Caroline's social media
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to attract more clients.
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What sort of work did you
do before this, Caroline?
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- Dental nursing.
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I'm still a qualified
dental nurse,
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but I don't really do it
much anymore.
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- Do you want to do an explicit
one with your bra off?
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- OK.
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- When you decided to do it,
was it for the money
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or the adventure
or the pleasure of the sex?
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- I never thought about being
an escort
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until we met some friends
on holiday
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when we were in
the South of France,
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and she told us
that she was an escort.
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Probably took me about a year
to come to the decision.
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But when she first said it,
Graham said,
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"Ooh, you ought to do that."
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- I was joking, to be honest.
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- He was joking
but one percent serious.
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You know, I struggle with,
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or have done over the years,
with my self-esteem.
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So this helps me to see myself
in a better light,
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when I can see that lots of men
want to come and see me
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and they fancy me.
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It makes me feel better
about myself.
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And now Graham's my biggest
encourager.
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- Right. Now turn round
to face the mirror.
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Yeah. That's great.
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[soft music]
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- Louis: I was back in
Nottingham with Victoria.
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I'd been curious to get to know
a little more about her.
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I knew she'd had to rebuild her
life five years earlier
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when she'd left the father of
her children.
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Tell me if you need a hand
with anything.
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She'd also told me she'd had
a difficult upbringing,
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moving out of the family home
at 14.
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I wondered how that had
affected her later on.
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She was getting her kit bag
ready for an appointment.
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- Oh, I'm so disorganised.
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- What were you looking for?
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- A stocking.
I only had one stocking.
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- Oh.
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- [laughs]
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- This is gonna sound like
a really weird,
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open-ended question, OK, but,
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what do you think is
the right way of doing it?
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- What's the right way
of doing sex?
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00:17:24,862 --> 00:17:27,517
- Mmm.
- Everybody's different.
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Everybody's different,
aren't they?
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So...
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- For you, then.
- For me?
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I see having a cuddle as sex.
[laughs]
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I've had, like,
so many bad sexual experiences,
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like, people just abusing me,
taking everything from me
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from being 14, that I just think
there's nothing...
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I can just easily do it.
There's nothing...
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There's no good connection there
through sex.
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So I've turned it around,
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so I've got an ability to be
able to have sex with anybody
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and it not mean anything,
so I can easily go do my job.
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00:18:11,896 --> 00:18:12,862
Do you know what I mean?
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So I just look at it
in a positive way.
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[laughs] Is that bad? [laughs]
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- Does it feel bad?
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- No. No.
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I'm not doing anything wrong
or illegal,
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or anything that
people don't want to do.
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People want to do this.
People come to me, you know?
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00:18:38,620 --> 00:18:41,103
I just use it as an advantage.
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00:18:42,724 --> 00:18:46,827
Do you see what I mean? So...
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00:18:46,931 --> 00:18:48,827
- Were you abused
when you were...
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Before you were 14,
were you abused?
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- No. 14. I was just
a stray of a kid, really.
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I was everywhere and everywhere,
so people took advantage.
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Especially one guy in
particular, who was 25.
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Obviously, he just see me
as vulnerable, but...
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00:19:13,137 --> 00:19:14,034
Yeah.
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00:19:14,137 --> 00:19:15,655
- Someone who took advantage
of you?
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00:19:15,758 --> 00:19:17,862
- Yeah. Yeah.
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00:19:20,103 --> 00:19:22,689
So... [laughs]
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But when you're young
and when you're vulnerable
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and when you've got nowhere
to go and nothing to do,
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you don't go to school,
you don't have really a home...
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and somebody shows an interest,
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you don't realise
it's just sexual.
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You'd think that they care about
you and stuff like that,
394
00:19:40,827 --> 00:19:42,137
you know?
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So, I used to do all these
crazy sexual things
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to keep him happy.
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00:19:49,241 --> 00:19:53,310
Yeah, sex is just not the same
for me as most people.
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I think that's the best way
to word it, I think.
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00:20:02,275 --> 00:20:04,172
- Is that all that's coming?
I can carry that.
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00:20:04,275 --> 00:20:06,931
- Are you sure?
- Yeah.
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00:20:07,034 --> 00:20:09,586
- Must be good for something.
- Oh, I'm hot now. [laughs]
402
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- Is that it?
- That's it. All done.
403
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[solemn music]
404
00:20:18,655 --> 00:20:21,482
- The revelation of Victoria's
abuse seemed to put her decision
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to sell sex
in a different light.
406
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Now seemed a side effect
of her upbringing,
407
00:20:28,068 --> 00:20:30,517
but whether that made it
the wrong lifestyle for her
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was a different question.
409
00:20:36,103 --> 00:20:38,344
We were on our way
to another hotel.
410
00:20:38,448 --> 00:20:41,034
One of her regulars
had agreed to speak to me
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with his identity protected.
412
00:20:45,172 --> 00:20:46,517
[knock on door]
413
00:20:46,620 --> 00:20:48,931
- Victoria: Hello!
- Louis: How are you doing?
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- Man: Nervous.
- Louis: Yeah. I can imagine.
415
00:20:52,344 --> 00:20:54,551
Victoria was saying that you've
been seeing each other
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for a couple of months,
wasn't it?
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00:20:56,551 --> 00:20:57,862
- Couple of months, yeah.
418
00:20:57,965 --> 00:21:00,586
- How did you first
find out about her?
419
00:21:00,689 --> 00:21:03,172
- It was through
an online site actually.
420
00:21:03,275 --> 00:21:04,241
- Mmm.
421
00:21:04,344 --> 00:21:06,482
- Looked at Victoria's profile,
I went really, really deep
422
00:21:06,586 --> 00:21:09,482
into the research of,
like, what she's like.
423
00:21:09,586 --> 00:21:10,517
- As I understand it,
424
00:21:10,620 --> 00:21:12,896
you were coming out of a
relationship, is that right?
425
00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,206
- Yes, that's correct.
It had kinda gone dead.
426
00:21:16,310 --> 00:21:18,034
In fact, there was no contact
anymore, no...
427
00:21:18,137 --> 00:21:19,310
- No physical side to it?
428
00:21:19,413 --> 00:21:21,931
- No physical side to it,
no emotional side to it.
429
00:21:22,034 --> 00:21:25,827
I was kinda crying out for
basically some attention.
430
00:21:25,931 --> 00:21:27,172
- Mmm.
431
00:21:27,275 --> 00:21:31,310
Is the aim to get back to a kind
of girlfriend relationship?
432
00:21:31,413 --> 00:21:33,206
- I don't know what
I want at the minute.
433
00:21:33,310 --> 00:21:35,000
I think I'm trying
to find my way
434
00:21:35,103 --> 00:21:37,413
of reconnecting with new
people again.
435
00:21:37,517 --> 00:21:40,379
And this has been kind of a big
help for that.
436
00:21:40,482 --> 00:21:43,241
It's actually been a big boost
of confidence for me.
437
00:21:43,344 --> 00:21:46,758
- I think this is, like,
a bit of fresh air.
438
00:21:46,862 --> 00:21:48,965
A breath of fresh air,
do you know what I mean?
439
00:21:49,068 --> 00:21:52,103
And I think without that,
that could...
440
00:21:52,206 --> 00:21:55,620
you could spiral down
into depression.
441
00:21:55,724 --> 00:21:57,344
- I could. Yeah,
like you say, I could...
442
00:21:57,448 --> 00:21:59,655
- Like, problem... I don't know.
That's my thinking.
443
00:21:59,758 --> 00:22:02,724
- Oh, yeah. No, I know I could
have spiralled out really badly.
444
00:22:02,827 --> 00:22:08,655
- Is it important for you
that Victoria enjoys
445
00:22:08,758 --> 00:22:10,586
having sex with you?
446
00:22:10,689 --> 00:22:12,448
- Oh, God, yeah.
447
00:22:12,551 --> 00:22:15,689
I only want us to do things
that we both wanna do together.
448
00:22:15,793 --> 00:22:20,620
I'm not interested in meeting
somebody who's just...
449
00:22:20,724 --> 00:22:25,241
there to please me in that kinda
way and then leave it at that.
450
00:22:25,344 --> 00:22:28,310
- But at the same time,
we have to acknowledge
451
00:22:28,413 --> 00:22:31,689
that she would not be
having sex with you
452
00:22:31,793 --> 00:22:35,103
were it not for the professional
arrangement, right?
453
00:22:35,206 --> 00:22:37,068
- I would assume so.
- Yeah.
454
00:22:38,586 --> 00:22:40,137
- It's not something
I've actually given
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00:22:40,241 --> 00:22:41,689
a lot of thought to.
456
00:22:42,896 --> 00:22:45,275
I don't know where I sit
with that at the minute.
457
00:22:47,068 --> 00:22:50,482
[solemn music]
458
00:22:50,586 --> 00:22:53,034
- I was surprised
at the apparent vulnerability
459
00:22:53,137 --> 00:22:55,103
of Victoria's client
460
00:22:55,206 --> 00:22:57,206
and also by him
failing to consider
461
00:22:57,310 --> 00:23:00,655
whether Victoria
might not enjoy the sex.
462
00:23:02,275 --> 00:23:05,172
I wondered about the impact
on her
463
00:23:05,275 --> 00:23:09,000
of having to impersonate a level
of intimacy she didn't feel.
464
00:23:17,241 --> 00:23:19,551
[soft music]
465
00:23:21,586 --> 00:23:23,241
[child laughs]
466
00:23:23,344 --> 00:23:26,103
- Victoria: You can have your
TV on for a little bit.
467
00:23:26,206 --> 00:23:28,655
- Louis: later that day,
back at home,
468
00:23:28,758 --> 00:23:31,620
it was time for the evening
routine with the kids.
469
00:23:31,724 --> 00:23:34,758
Who's in this one, then?
470
00:23:34,862 --> 00:23:37,241
This is like being on
a submarine, this one.
471
00:23:37,344 --> 00:23:39,379
- Kid: Yeah!
- Whoa!
472
00:23:39,482 --> 00:23:42,000
- It's quite long, isn't it?
- Victoria: It's huge.
473
00:23:42,103 --> 00:23:43,965
- Uh-oh! There's a ninja.
474
00:23:44,068 --> 00:23:46,206
He's got a special way
of ninja walking.
475
00:23:46,310 --> 00:23:47,241
[Victoria laughs]
476
00:23:47,344 --> 00:23:49,379
- He's so quiet
when he's ninja walking.
477
00:23:49,482 --> 00:23:50,931
[Victoria laughs]
478
00:23:51,034 --> 00:23:52,448
- He's ninja-walked away.
479
00:23:54,344 --> 00:23:57,068
Victoria had told me she planned
to tell her boys what she does
480
00:23:57,172 --> 00:23:58,793
when they're older,
481
00:23:58,896 --> 00:24:01,344
but she's made no secret of it
in the wider community
482
00:24:01,448 --> 00:24:03,655
Show me around.
What have we got in here?
483
00:24:03,758 --> 00:24:05,655
Among those in the know
is her daughter,
484
00:24:05,758 --> 00:24:09,103
14-year-old Sapphire,
who she told a year ago.
485
00:24:10,689 --> 00:24:12,724
We talked a little bit
downstairs, didn't we,
486
00:24:12,827 --> 00:24:14,620
about escorting?
487
00:24:14,724 --> 00:24:16,620
What's your view of it?
488
00:24:16,724 --> 00:24:19,206
- I think, if she wants to do
it, then it's her choice.
489
00:24:19,310 --> 00:24:23,034
Nobody should, like,
not accept that,
490
00:24:23,137 --> 00:24:25,172
or nobody should say anything
bad about it
491
00:24:25,275 --> 00:24:26,655
because it's her decision.
492
00:24:26,758 --> 00:24:29,896
- Do you understand why some
people don't like it?
493
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,448
- Yeah, it's just a job that
people see as a negative job.
494
00:24:33,551 --> 00:24:37,068
Like, if you're in a bank,
that's a good job.
495
00:24:37,172 --> 00:24:40,655
If you're a cleaner,
that's seen as a bad job.
496
00:24:40,758 --> 00:24:42,793
It's just one of the jobs
that people don't like,
497
00:24:42,896 --> 00:24:45,586
and I think that because
she has children, as well,
498
00:24:45,689 --> 00:24:49,310
people are like, "That's setting
a bad example for your kids."
499
00:24:49,413 --> 00:24:53,137
But we don't mind.
Well, I don't mind, anyway.
500
00:24:53,241 --> 00:24:57,172
She's come from, like,
not having a lot
501
00:24:57,275 --> 00:25:02,448
to having everything that she
needs and a lot more, so.
502
00:25:02,551 --> 00:25:04,758
Yeah, really proud of her.
503
00:25:05,965 --> 00:25:07,896
- She seems like
she's a really good mum.
504
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,241
- She is.
She is a really good mum.
505
00:25:10,344 --> 00:25:12,379
[soft music]
506
00:25:14,689 --> 00:25:16,620
[child laughs]
507
00:25:16,724 --> 00:25:18,689
- Victoria: Bring me
your Lego box.
508
00:25:20,931 --> 00:25:23,379
- Louis: I left Victoria
struck by the contrast
509
00:25:23,482 --> 00:25:25,586
between a happy and stable home
510
00:25:25,689 --> 00:25:27,448
and the way that many would view
the work
511
00:25:27,551 --> 00:25:29,206
that was underpinning it.
512
00:25:29,310 --> 00:25:32,379
[solemn music]
513
00:25:39,689 --> 00:25:42,551
It's hard to know how much
the cost of selling sex
514
00:25:42,655 --> 00:25:45,517
stems from the sense of
judgement it brings with it.
515
00:25:47,379 --> 00:25:49,275
But it's been suggested
that younger people
516
00:25:49,379 --> 00:25:51,586
may take a less critical view.
517
00:25:53,448 --> 00:25:55,068
I wondered what Ashleigh's
friends
518
00:25:55,172 --> 00:25:56,689
thought about her lifestyle
519
00:25:56,793 --> 00:26:00,068
and, so, I'd arranged to meet
some of them at a parent's house
520
00:26:00,172 --> 00:26:02,758
where they were discussing
a joint art project.
521
00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:10,000
- We wanted to show the extremes
of, like, the sex work stuff.
522
00:26:10,103 --> 00:26:12,448
Louisa is our designer.
523
00:26:12,551 --> 00:26:14,103
- I've been brought on...
- Costume.
524
00:26:14,206 --> 00:26:16,206
- ..just to do costumes,
I'm not performing.
525
00:26:16,310 --> 00:26:21,724
- Are you curious how Ashleigh's
found it so far, the sex work?
526
00:26:21,827 --> 00:26:24,758
- Yeah, kind of.
I mean, I presume you're happy?
527
00:26:24,862 --> 00:26:26,275
- Yeah, I'm fine.
- Yeah?
528
00:26:26,379 --> 00:26:27,517
- There you go.
529
00:26:27,620 --> 00:26:30,206
If I was upset, they'd both
be able to tell, for one.
530
00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:32,379
And, like, they just won't pry.
531
00:26:32,482 --> 00:26:34,448
Like, if I say, "I'm fine,"
they know that's just it,
532
00:26:34,551 --> 00:26:36,068
I'm fine, they don't need to
ask questions.
533
00:26:36,172 --> 00:26:37,620
So they're both very supportive.
534
00:26:37,724 --> 00:26:39,379
And I've fucked her over
millions of times.
535
00:26:39,482 --> 00:26:40,448
- So many times.
536
00:26:40,551 --> 00:26:42,000
- I've been so horrible to her
in the past.
537
00:26:42,103 --> 00:26:44,034
- I think a lot of people
in your life have, like,
538
00:26:44,137 --> 00:26:46,586
come against a struggle
or something that's difficult
539
00:26:46,689 --> 00:26:48,931
about your friendship and just
cut you off, and just been,
540
00:26:49,034 --> 00:26:50,620
like, "Do you know what?
I don't need it."
541
00:26:50,724 --> 00:26:53,103
- Are you saying that
a friendship with Ashleigh
542
00:26:53,206 --> 00:26:55,034
comes with a certain amount
of drama?
543
00:26:55,137 --> 00:26:56,379
- Ashleigh: Yeah.
- [laughter]
544
00:26:56,482 --> 00:26:58,379
- Hell, yeah. Hell, yeah.
- That's putting it lightly.
545
00:26:58,482 --> 00:27:00,241
- No, no, that's, like,
that's a teaspoon.
546
00:27:00,344 --> 00:27:02,965
Oh, some person in one of my
other friendship groups
547
00:27:03,068 --> 00:27:04,172
that I'm friends with
548
00:27:04,275 --> 00:27:06,379
has decided to book me
for his birthday,
549
00:27:06,482 --> 00:27:07,862
so I'm gonna have sex with,
550
00:27:07,965 --> 00:27:09,793
like, one of my friends
for his birthday.
551
00:27:09,896 --> 00:27:12,620
- It sounds potentially
quite confusing,
552
00:27:12,724 --> 00:27:14,724
I would have thought, no?
553
00:27:14,827 --> 00:27:17,344
- What's confusing? [laughs]
554
00:27:17,448 --> 00:27:19,068
- [sighs] I don't know.
555
00:27:19,172 --> 00:27:20,862
- He's just my friend
who's gonna come round
556
00:27:20,965 --> 00:27:22,103
and have sex on his birthday.
557
00:27:22,206 --> 00:27:24,310
I'm offering a service,
he wants the service,
558
00:27:24,413 --> 00:27:27,172
and that's how it's going.
And nothing's gonna come of it.
559
00:27:27,275 --> 00:27:28,827
- It's actually better doing it
this way,
560
00:27:28,931 --> 00:27:32,551
because if there wasn't
an exchange happening,
561
00:27:32,655 --> 00:27:35,344
like, financially, then that
would be more confusing, surely?
562
00:27:35,448 --> 00:27:36,551
- Yeah.
563
00:27:36,655 --> 00:27:38,965
- And then afterwards he'll
go back to being your friend?
564
00:27:39,068 --> 00:27:41,551
- Yeah.
- I guess that can work.
565
00:27:41,655 --> 00:27:42,896
- Yeah.
- I don't know.
566
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,241
- I mean, that's kind of what
our generation are like anyway.
567
00:27:45,344 --> 00:27:46,241
- Yeah.
- Really?
568
00:27:46,344 --> 00:27:49,275
- If you look in
many friendship groups,
569
00:27:49,379 --> 00:27:51,172
most people have had sex
with each other.
570
00:27:51,275 --> 00:27:53,241
Not every friendship group,
like, definitely.
571
00:27:53,344 --> 00:27:54,482
- Yeah, it's what happens.
572
00:27:54,586 --> 00:27:57,000
- But I think sex now,
even compared to,
573
00:27:57,103 --> 00:28:01,448
like, 20 years ago,
is just so liberal.
574
00:28:01,551 --> 00:28:02,862
Like, just, like...
575
00:28:02,965 --> 00:28:05,620
And, like, quite meaningless
to a lot of people.
576
00:28:05,724 --> 00:28:09,413
Dating apps have come
almost to fill the need
577
00:28:09,517 --> 00:28:13,586
of how we have sex
with each other in these days.
578
00:28:13,689 --> 00:28:15,862
- How long do you think
you're gonna do it for?
579
00:28:15,965 --> 00:28:19,413
- I can't see myself in the
future having a real job.
580
00:28:19,517 --> 00:28:21,482
A real job?
I mean, like, a 9-to-5
581
00:28:21,586 --> 00:28:23,413
is what I mean
when I say "real job."
582
00:28:23,517 --> 00:28:26,068
Like, standard as a 9-to-5.
583
00:28:26,172 --> 00:28:28,758
Just because of, like, my head.
584
00:28:28,862 --> 00:28:31,448
If I was making enough money
from just doing art stuff,
585
00:28:31,551 --> 00:28:34,896
then, fab, but, like, I'm fine
working like everyone else,
586
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,793
to get my money
to pay for things.
587
00:28:36,896 --> 00:28:38,896
I don't expect it
to be given to me.
588
00:28:40,068 --> 00:28:43,965
- That's good, isn't it?
[laughs]
589
00:28:44,068 --> 00:28:46,137
- Louis: It was reassuring
to see Ashleigh in the midst
590
00:28:46,241 --> 00:28:48,827
of a caring peer group.
591
00:28:48,931 --> 00:28:51,655
I was struck by their view
that sex was something that
592
00:28:51,758 --> 00:28:55,448
could be freely traded between
acquaintances and strangers
593
00:28:55,551 --> 00:28:57,724
without consequences,
594
00:28:57,827 --> 00:29:00,241
though I also had the impression
of them wanting to make
595
00:29:00,344 --> 00:29:02,344
a show of support for a friend
596
00:29:02,448 --> 00:29:04,655
they viewed
as a little bit vulnerable.
597
00:29:12,655 --> 00:29:14,758
For those who are close to
someone selling sex,
598
00:29:14,862 --> 00:29:17,689
I could only imagine there
must be a balance between,
599
00:29:17,793 --> 00:29:20,482
on the one hand,
respecting their choice,
600
00:29:20,586 --> 00:29:23,379
and on the other, wanting to
save them from a lifestyle
601
00:29:23,482 --> 00:29:26,931
many still view as damaging.
602
00:29:27,034 --> 00:29:30,620
And for those in a committed
relationship, even more so.
603
00:29:32,241 --> 00:29:35,172
In West Sussex, I was back with
Caroline and Graham.
604
00:29:36,344 --> 00:29:39,413
- Is that alright for you,
Louis? [speaks French]
605
00:29:39,517 --> 00:29:41,379
- Merci beaucoup.
606
00:29:41,482 --> 00:29:43,068
- [speaks French]
[laughs]
607
00:29:43,172 --> 00:29:45,793
- Mmm!
- I've no idea what that meant.
608
00:29:45,896 --> 00:29:47,482
- What time is
the client coming?
609
00:29:47,586 --> 00:29:49,517
- He's coming at ten.
610
00:29:50,413 --> 00:29:52,655
- What can you tell me
about him?
611
00:29:53,758 --> 00:29:57,275
- Nice guy, middle-aged.
612
00:29:57,379 --> 00:30:00,482
- Mm-hm. Meaning, 60? 50?
613
00:30:00,586 --> 00:30:03,206
- Fifties.
- Mm-hm. He's someone you...
614
00:30:03,310 --> 00:30:05,482
- I've met him
quite a few times, yes.
615
00:30:05,586 --> 00:30:07,655
- He's a regular?
- He's a regular. Yeah.
616
00:30:07,758 --> 00:30:10,000
- So, this picture stays up,
does it?
617
00:30:10,103 --> 00:30:11,137
- Yeah. Yeah.
618
00:30:11,241 --> 00:30:13,758
- I mean, that could almost be
a bit off-putting, couldn't it?
619
00:30:13,862 --> 00:30:16,896
You are maybe paying for the
girlfriend experience...
620
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:17,931
- Mmm.
621
00:30:18,034 --> 00:30:21,000
- ..and then there's a picture
of a random guy...
622
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,517
with his hands on
your "girlfriend..."
623
00:30:25,620 --> 00:30:27,586
- Yes.
- ..that you've paid for.
624
00:30:27,689 --> 00:30:29,034
- Yeah, well,
that's a good point, yeah.
625
00:30:29,137 --> 00:30:30,448
- But then there's
the other side.
626
00:30:30,551 --> 00:30:32,862
You make no secret of the fact
that you're married.
627
00:30:32,965 --> 00:30:35,862
- No, I don't make any secret
of the fact that I'm married.
628
00:30:35,965 --> 00:30:38,137
- You mentioned, I think,
that you do...
629
00:30:38,241 --> 00:30:39,896
or at least sometimes,
630
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,827
you do enjoy having sex with
your clients...
631
00:30:42,931 --> 00:30:44,517
- Yes, I do.
- ..maybe, right?
632
00:30:44,620 --> 00:30:49,034
- Because I think it's
an amazing job,
633
00:30:49,137 --> 00:30:51,931
if you like to call it that,
that I can have,
634
00:30:52,034 --> 00:30:55,241
to give so many men
so much pleasure.
635
00:30:57,344 --> 00:31:00,310
And I know that I do that.
636
00:31:00,413 --> 00:31:04,793
I make so many men happy,
and I love that.
637
00:31:06,689 --> 00:31:08,379
- And it makes you happy,
by the way.
638
00:31:08,482 --> 00:31:10,758
- And it makes me happy.
It makes me happy.
639
00:31:10,862 --> 00:31:13,689
Basically, for most of my life,
640
00:31:13,793 --> 00:31:17,344
I've not wanted to be in
the foreground at all.
641
00:31:17,448 --> 00:31:20,206
I've been like a snail
sort of in its shell.
642
00:31:21,586 --> 00:31:24,862
And I've always sort of
hidden behind Graham
643
00:31:24,965 --> 00:31:30,000
and I feel like it's my time
644
00:31:30,103 --> 00:31:36,034
to come out and be the person...
the real me.
645
00:31:36,137 --> 00:31:40,034
And I feel like, you know,
this sort of sexual freedom
646
00:31:40,137 --> 00:31:43,172
that I've moved into
is the real me.
647
00:31:43,275 --> 00:31:45,931
[solemn music]
648
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,793
- So, when I'm around,
I'll often do this.
649
00:32:00,103 --> 00:32:02,068
Well, I know the dress I like.
650
00:32:02,172 --> 00:32:05,103
From what you've told me about
him, he'll like that.
651
00:32:07,137 --> 00:32:08,689
- [sighs] I'm ready.
652
00:32:10,241 --> 00:32:14,344
Well, you have a great time.
Enjoy yourself.
653
00:32:17,517 --> 00:32:20,413
- Louis: With the client
en route, Graham and I left
654
00:32:20,517 --> 00:32:22,793
for a local pub
to give them some space.
655
00:32:24,344 --> 00:32:27,448
It would also be a chance to
talk to him about his marriage.
656
00:32:29,206 --> 00:32:33,896
When she became a little bit
emotional back at the house,
657
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,206
what was behind that?
658
00:32:36,310 --> 00:32:38,931
- She was brought up to believe
that women should be seen...
659
00:32:39,034 --> 00:32:42,206
Well, probably not even seen.
Not seen and not heard.
660
00:32:42,310 --> 00:32:43,758
And that was her upbringing,
661
00:32:43,862 --> 00:32:47,551
and she just carried it on
into her adult life.
662
00:32:47,655 --> 00:32:52,000
I knew, for example, sexually,
she was pretty...
663
00:32:52,103 --> 00:32:54,655
suppressed, to put it mildly,
so that was an issue.
664
00:32:54,758 --> 00:32:55,724
- Meaning what?
665
00:32:55,827 --> 00:32:57,551
- Well, she just didn't
want to have sex.
666
00:32:57,655 --> 00:32:59,241
- At all?
- No.
667
00:32:59,344 --> 00:33:01,310
So if I'd been different,
I would have probably been a guy
668
00:33:01,413 --> 00:33:02,896
who would go and see escorts.
669
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:07,655
So I kept on thinking, you know,
"How can I initiate her?
670
00:33:07,758 --> 00:33:10,965
"How can I...
Maybe she might change."
671
00:33:11,068 --> 00:33:14,206
I never dreamt that Caroline
would take it this far.
672
00:33:14,310 --> 00:33:15,965
- Really?
- Oh, never.
673
00:33:16,068 --> 00:33:17,862
No, I didn't have
the end game in mind
674
00:33:17,965 --> 00:33:21,172
that the final part of this
for Caroline would be an escort.
675
00:33:21,275 --> 00:33:24,793
- It sounds as though having
sorta nudged her along the way,
676
00:33:24,896 --> 00:33:27,655
now she's taken off
like a rocket,
677
00:33:27,758 --> 00:33:31,896
and you're now in the position,
slightly paradoxically,
678
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:36,862
of being less certain
about where you are.
679
00:33:37,655 --> 00:33:38,689
- Yes.
680
00:33:38,793 --> 00:33:41,517
If we've had a row, or
if things haven't gone right,
681
00:33:41,620 --> 00:33:45,206
or if I feel that
I haven't been thought of
682
00:33:45,310 --> 00:33:48,103
or considered
in some way or another,
683
00:33:48,206 --> 00:33:52,310
then I can feel something
negative coming out of me.
684
00:33:52,413 --> 00:33:55,793
I can feel maybe a bit jealous
or a bit irritated.
685
00:33:57,103 --> 00:33:58,482
- About what?
686
00:33:58,586 --> 00:34:01,172
- What she's doing sometimes.
- Having sex with another guy?
687
00:34:01,275 --> 00:34:03,275
- Yeah. We'd have these
great big flare-ups,
688
00:34:03,379 --> 00:34:06,344
but, of course, then so I would
threaten with, you know,
689
00:34:06,448 --> 00:34:08,448
that it'd be the end of our
sexually free lifestyle,
690
00:34:08,551 --> 00:34:10,034
end of everything.
691
00:34:10,137 --> 00:34:15,241
And then, of course,
four hours later we'll be fine.
692
00:34:16,655 --> 00:34:18,793
I want her to be absolutely
successful
693
00:34:18,896 --> 00:34:20,137
as a woman in her own right,
694
00:34:20,241 --> 00:34:22,448
'cause she's never been
in her own right.
695
00:34:22,551 --> 00:34:25,655
I want her to be happy
and have pleasure.
696
00:34:25,758 --> 00:34:30,586
I really do, you know,
in every way, not just sexually.
697
00:34:34,206 --> 00:34:35,655
[solemn music]
698
00:34:38,620 --> 00:34:40,586
- Graham: Ooh, hello, gorgeous!
- Mm-hm!
699
00:34:40,689 --> 00:34:42,931
- How are you?
- Mmm, good. [laughs]
700
00:34:43,034 --> 00:34:46,275
- How was it?
- Yeah, great, thank you, yeah.
701
00:34:46,379 --> 00:34:49,137
Great time.
Would you like a glass of that?
702
00:34:49,241 --> 00:34:51,172
- Well, sure,
I'll have a little one. Why not?
703
00:34:51,275 --> 00:34:54,172
- Yeah. So, it was good, was it?
- Mmm.
704
00:34:54,275 --> 00:34:56,758
- Good? Very good?
Spectacular? Awful?
705
00:34:56,862 --> 00:34:57,931
Professional job?
706
00:34:58,034 --> 00:34:59,793
- No, no, it wasn't
a professional job.
707
00:34:59,896 --> 00:35:04,482
It was a good time.
It was...enjoyable.
708
00:35:04,586 --> 00:35:06,103
- Mmm.
709
00:35:09,068 --> 00:35:12,413
[solemn music]
710
00:35:16,620 --> 00:35:18,206
- Louis: Several months
into filming,
711
00:35:18,310 --> 00:35:21,758
and I was still conflicted about
the nature of the transaction
712
00:35:21,862 --> 00:35:23,862
at the heart of
the sexual economy.
713
00:35:25,137 --> 00:35:29,034
Whether it was a choice
freely made like any other
714
00:35:29,137 --> 00:35:31,724
or a symptom of a society
in which vulnerable women
715
00:35:31,827 --> 00:35:33,758
were traded and controlled.
716
00:35:33,862 --> 00:35:35,103
[camera clicks]
717
00:35:35,206 --> 00:35:37,620
- [sighs]
- That's better. I'm smiling.
718
00:35:39,379 --> 00:35:41,517
- Louis: In Nottingham,
Victoria had invited me
719
00:35:41,620 --> 00:35:43,344
to a porn shoot she'd organised,
720
00:35:43,448 --> 00:35:46,275
creating online content
to sell to fans and clients.
721
00:35:48,034 --> 00:35:49,896
- Victoria: OK?
- Man: Better.
722
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,103
- Louis: I can tell you're
doing a terrific job.
723
00:35:52,206 --> 00:35:53,275
- Man: Thank you, Louis.
724
00:35:53,379 --> 00:35:55,000
Now I'm gonna go for a medium,
then a close.
725
00:35:55,103 --> 00:35:57,206
- Louis: She'd told me of
a plan to do more porn
726
00:35:57,310 --> 00:36:00,172
and move away
from private bookings.
727
00:36:00,275 --> 00:36:02,379
- Man: Did you get that?
- [laughter]
728
00:36:02,482 --> 00:36:06,206
- You prefer the porn over
the escorting, don't you?
729
00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:09,172
- Yeah. I don't have to be so
close and personal to people.
730
00:36:10,379 --> 00:36:12,620
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
731
00:36:12,724 --> 00:36:16,379
- Give less of yourself?
- Yeah. Yeah, definitely.
732
00:36:16,482 --> 00:36:19,172
- And I'm just wondering
whether, just in general,
733
00:36:19,275 --> 00:36:21,689
as a sensual experience,
734
00:36:21,793 --> 00:36:24,206
leaving the professionalism
to one side,
735
00:36:24,310 --> 00:36:26,000
whether it's pleasurable?
736
00:36:26,103 --> 00:36:28,103
- Um... Yeah, it can be.
737
00:36:29,413 --> 00:36:30,724
- Just not today.
738
00:36:30,827 --> 00:36:32,931
- It can... No. [sighs]
- [laughs]
739
00:36:33,034 --> 00:36:35,034
- It's so hard for me
to answer this question,
740
00:36:35,137 --> 00:36:37,586
because it's...
741
00:36:39,724 --> 00:36:42,206
Oh, it's sex.
I do it all day every day.
742
00:36:43,344 --> 00:36:46,344
[solemn music]
743
00:36:48,862 --> 00:36:52,689
- Loitering on set, I reflected
on the paradox of leveraging
744
00:36:52,793 --> 00:36:56,482
the after-effects of trauma
into financial opportunity.
745
00:36:57,896 --> 00:37:00,448
And whether it represented
a kind of power,
746
00:37:00,551 --> 00:37:02,275
or its opposite.
747
00:37:05,724 --> 00:37:09,344
[solemn music]
748
00:37:16,827 --> 00:37:19,620
The same new websites that have
induced some women
749
00:37:19,724 --> 00:37:21,344
to enter the sexual marketplace
750
00:37:21,448 --> 00:37:24,137
are also bringing that world
to clients who,
751
00:37:24,241 --> 00:37:27,000
in the past, might never
have thought of doing it.
752
00:37:28,724 --> 00:37:31,689
In Croydon, South London,
I was meeting Hugh.
753
00:37:31,793 --> 00:37:32,758
Hello!
754
00:37:32,862 --> 00:37:33,965
- Hi!
- How are you?
755
00:37:34,068 --> 00:37:35,793
- Great, thank you.
- Louis. Nice to meet you.
756
00:37:35,896 --> 00:37:37,758
At age 16,
Hugh had been diagnosed
757
00:37:37,862 --> 00:37:39,689
with muscular dystrophy.
758
00:37:39,793 --> 00:37:41,827
He lost his virginity at 30.
759
00:37:41,931 --> 00:37:45,206
But after that, his sexual
experiences had dwindled away.
760
00:37:45,310 --> 00:37:47,931
- Can I make you one?
- By all means, yes.
761
00:37:50,965 --> 00:37:52,620
- You don't have kids,
is that right?
762
00:37:52,724 --> 00:37:54,137
- No.
- Never been married?
763
00:37:54,241 --> 00:37:56,517
- Never been married, no.
- Not interested?
764
00:37:56,620 --> 00:37:58,896
- I know people say, "He'd never
met the right person,"
765
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,551
but, yeah, I just never met
someone who would have me.
766
00:38:02,655 --> 00:38:07,655
[laughs] I mean, in the perfect
world, I've always wanted a...
767
00:38:09,448 --> 00:38:11,241
It seems unfair,
but I've always wanted
768
00:38:11,344 --> 00:38:13,000
an able-bodied girlfriend,
769
00:38:13,103 --> 00:38:16,586
or not so disabled
that she couldn't, well,
770
00:38:16,689 --> 00:38:18,344
get on top, essentially.
[laughs]
771
00:38:18,448 --> 00:38:21,137
[solemn music]
772
00:38:22,517 --> 00:38:24,034
- OK. Yeah.
773
00:38:24,137 --> 00:38:27,448
- Louis: Hugh had an
appointment that evening.
774
00:38:27,551 --> 00:38:29,965
A carer arrived
to get him ready.
775
00:38:32,482 --> 00:38:34,758
One year earlier,
Hugh had set up an account
776
00:38:34,862 --> 00:38:36,896
on the main sex industry
website.
777
00:38:40,517 --> 00:38:42,413
- How's it going in there?
778
00:38:42,517 --> 00:38:44,379
- Well, thank you. Yeah.
779
00:38:44,482 --> 00:38:46,586
- You like to look your best
for your date?
780
00:38:46,689 --> 00:38:51,655
- Yeah. [laughs]
Yes, my...my appointment.
781
00:38:51,758 --> 00:38:55,620
- How many women have you seen
since you started?
782
00:38:55,724 --> 00:39:01,896
- Nine. The eldest, 51,
youngest was about 21.
783
00:39:06,068 --> 00:39:08,482
- Was there a moment
or something that prompted you
784
00:39:08,586 --> 00:39:10,241
to take that step?
785
00:39:10,344 --> 00:39:15,034
- I think it was the realisation
I was getting to a certain age,
786
00:39:15,137 --> 00:39:19,448
and if I didn't do drastic
action I'd go to my grave...
787
00:39:19,551 --> 00:39:22,413
[laughs]
..never having sex again.
788
00:39:22,517 --> 00:39:23,793
- Mmm.
789
00:39:23,896 --> 00:39:28,689
Can you characterise for me
how much it's meant to you?
790
00:39:28,793 --> 00:39:31,620
- I mean, it's pleasurable.
It's expensive.
791
00:39:31,724 --> 00:39:33,931
It doesn't ruin my life.
792
00:39:34,034 --> 00:39:35,758
I'd rather have a girlfriend...
793
00:39:37,655 --> 00:39:41,620
but it just hasn't worked out
for me for whatever reason,
794
00:39:41,724 --> 00:39:45,689
be that my disability,
be that my winning personality,
795
00:39:45,793 --> 00:39:48,137
I don't know. [laughs]
796
00:39:50,482 --> 00:39:52,448
I think a lot of women...
797
00:39:54,103 --> 00:39:57,344
understandably see me
798
00:39:57,448 --> 00:40:01,482
and put me in the
"too complicated" category.
799
00:40:03,275 --> 00:40:06,448
- Hugh was seeing someone
he'd booked twice before,
800
00:40:06,551 --> 00:40:10,310
a woman selling sex
to supplement her income.
801
00:40:10,413 --> 00:40:13,241
Would you say you've got to know
each other a little bit?
802
00:40:13,344 --> 00:40:16,172
- I enjoy her company very much.
803
00:40:16,275 --> 00:40:18,275
- But you have to be realistic,
don't you...
804
00:40:18,379 --> 00:40:19,344
- Yeah. Exactly
805
00:40:19,448 --> 00:40:21,551
- About what's actually
taking place?
806
00:40:21,655 --> 00:40:23,310
- Exactly.
- Which is what?
807
00:40:25,172 --> 00:40:26,310
- Which is what?
808
00:40:26,413 --> 00:40:32,068
We're enjoying each other's
company in exchange for money.
809
00:40:33,241 --> 00:40:37,413
I think I would be less happy
810
00:40:37,517 --> 00:40:40,379
if I hadn't explored
this avenue.
811
00:40:42,344 --> 00:40:47,620
That, probably, well,
I feel better for it, yes.
812
00:40:47,724 --> 00:40:49,344
- Mmm.
813
00:40:49,448 --> 00:40:52,448
- There's a little bit of guilt.
[laughs softly]
814
00:40:52,551 --> 00:40:57,517
I suppose paying for it was an
admission of failure on my part.
815
00:40:57,620 --> 00:41:01,206
[solemn music]
816
00:41:01,310 --> 00:41:04,137
- I wasn't sure how to judge
Hugh's choice.
817
00:41:05,310 --> 00:41:07,172
I was conscious of how much
I didn't know
818
00:41:07,275 --> 00:41:10,103
about the young woman's story.
819
00:41:10,206 --> 00:41:13,931
At the same time, his desire for
a life made a little more full
820
00:41:14,034 --> 00:41:15,896
by the ability to buy sex
821
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,931
seemed completely
understandable.
822
00:41:19,034 --> 00:41:21,344
[solemn music]
823
00:41:28,103 --> 00:41:30,379
In my time among women
selling sex,
824
00:41:30,482 --> 00:41:31,758
the only one for whom the work
825
00:41:31,862 --> 00:41:35,344
was not mainly motivated
by money was Caroline.
826
00:41:36,965 --> 00:41:39,413
Caroline had also been
the only one to say clearly
827
00:41:39,517 --> 00:41:41,517
she enjoyed sex with clients.
828
00:41:42,482 --> 00:41:44,413
Hello!
829
00:41:44,517 --> 00:41:46,379
Gonna find my friends
downstairs.
830
00:41:48,344 --> 00:41:50,827
- Nice to see you.
- Hi! Mmm! You, too.
831
00:41:50,931 --> 00:41:53,689
- But even with all the time
we'd spent together,
832
00:41:53,793 --> 00:41:56,103
there were aspects
of her relationship with Graham
833
00:41:56,206 --> 00:41:58,034
I didn't really understand.
834
00:41:58,137 --> 00:42:01,172
Hoping to find out more,
I was meeting them again.
835
00:42:01,275 --> 00:42:03,965
- Something I wanted
to show you. [laughs]
836
00:42:04,068 --> 00:42:05,310
- Go on.
837
00:42:06,517 --> 00:42:08,793
- 'Hot Wives'.
- Yeah, you've got two there.
838
00:42:08,896 --> 00:42:11,724
- And who have we got here?
She looks familiar.
839
00:42:11,827 --> 00:42:13,586
- [laughs]
- That's you.
840
00:42:13,689 --> 00:42:15,103
- Yeah.
They put me on the cover.
841
00:42:15,206 --> 00:42:16,482
- That's nice, isn't it?
842
00:42:16,586 --> 00:42:18,827
- [laughs] Yeah.
So I'm quite proud of that.
843
00:42:20,965 --> 00:42:24,206
I thought that I could wear
one of these.
844
00:42:24,310 --> 00:42:25,827
I like that idea.
845
00:42:25,931 --> 00:42:27,758
Or there's this one, as well,
look,
846
00:42:27,862 --> 00:42:29,793
and got a zip down the front.
847
00:42:32,689 --> 00:42:34,482
- Louis: How's it going between
the two of you?
848
00:42:34,586 --> 00:42:36,517
- Up and down.
849
00:42:36,620 --> 00:42:38,206
- Are you in a good place?
850
00:42:40,137 --> 00:42:43,551
- Yes and no. It depends what
time of the day you catch me.
851
00:42:43,655 --> 00:42:46,758
- But, I mean, how much of any
of this is to do with
852
00:42:46,862 --> 00:42:50,000
either insecurity
or mixed feelings
853
00:42:50,103 --> 00:42:54,310
or jealousy
around Caroline's work?
854
00:42:54,413 --> 00:42:58,655
- Do you know, generally,
I don't think it's that.
855
00:42:58,758 --> 00:43:04,206
The best way I can say it,
for me, is that...
856
00:43:06,034 --> 00:43:07,862
To be continued.
857
00:43:10,241 --> 00:43:11,827
- Louis: Uh-oh!
- [Graham laughs]
858
00:43:11,931 --> 00:43:13,241
- Police!
859
00:43:13,344 --> 00:43:15,724
- Now, we always need to do
the feel test.
860
00:43:15,827 --> 00:43:17,448
- It's an important part.
- Yeah.
861
00:43:17,551 --> 00:43:19,172
- So...
- What do you think?
862
00:43:19,275 --> 00:43:20,793
- Do you like the feel?
- Oh, I like that.
863
00:43:20,896 --> 00:43:23,344
- It's nice and smooth.
- I'll have a walk around.
864
00:43:25,068 --> 00:43:26,862
- You look...gorgeous!
865
00:43:28,310 --> 00:43:30,034
- Yeah, I like it.
- Great. OK.
866
00:43:30,137 --> 00:43:31,206
- We'll get this.
867
00:43:35,344 --> 00:43:37,241
- I think I've probably spent
half my life
868
00:43:37,344 --> 00:43:38,758
standing outside changing rooms.
869
00:43:38,862 --> 00:43:41,482
- What were you gonna say,
before we were interrupted?
870
00:43:41,586 --> 00:43:44,586
- I want more attention
from her.
871
00:43:44,689 --> 00:43:47,655
I would just like to spend
more intimate
872
00:43:47,758 --> 00:43:49,862
communication time
with Caroline.
873
00:43:49,965 --> 00:43:51,620
And that's something
I didn't think through.
874
00:43:51,724 --> 00:43:53,482
It started to develop inside me.
875
00:43:54,310 --> 00:43:58,172
[solemn music]
876
00:44:04,275 --> 00:44:05,931
- Louis: At a nearby
coffee shop,
877
00:44:06,034 --> 00:44:07,413
the conversation moved on
878
00:44:07,517 --> 00:44:09,896
to the subject of Caroline's
childhood.
879
00:44:11,206 --> 00:44:15,724
- My upbringing was
quite Victorian,
880
00:44:15,827 --> 00:44:17,793
but also mixed with religion,
881
00:44:17,896 --> 00:44:21,379
as I was brought up to believe
that sex was dirty,
882
00:44:21,482 --> 00:44:23,172
it was wrong.
883
00:44:23,275 --> 00:44:28,034
I went into our marriage with,
I think, the same attitude.
884
00:44:28,137 --> 00:44:31,034
- And you feel that having led
this life,
885
00:44:31,137 --> 00:44:33,275
or certainly had this
upbringing,
886
00:44:33,379 --> 00:44:35,448
where men were dictating
what you should do...
887
00:44:35,551 --> 00:44:36,517
- Yeah.
888
00:44:36,620 --> 00:44:38,448
- ..you feel that now,
this is very different?
889
00:44:38,551 --> 00:44:39,482
- Yeah.
890
00:44:39,586 --> 00:44:42,482
- You are calling the shots,
deciding what you want to do.
891
00:44:42,586 --> 00:44:44,448
- Graham: Absolutely.
- Yes. Yeah.
892
00:44:44,551 --> 00:44:50,758
It's been a process over the
last few years particularly,
893
00:44:50,862 --> 00:44:54,896
that I've really been
discovering who I am
894
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,586
and what I want and need.
895
00:44:57,689 --> 00:45:00,344
And the experience I've had
with other men
896
00:45:00,448 --> 00:45:05,103
helps me have a better sex life
with Graham.
897
00:45:05,206 --> 00:45:09,241
- You're quite happy with
your sex life with Caroline?
898
00:45:09,344 --> 00:45:12,758
- She's everything I think,
I want and dream of.
899
00:45:14,068 --> 00:45:17,931
Which is not something I would
have said a few years ago.
900
00:45:18,034 --> 00:45:19,620
- Mmm.
901
00:45:19,724 --> 00:45:21,620
- Forgive me for pushing
a certain idea,
902
00:45:21,724 --> 00:45:23,241
and I just want to
get it out there,
903
00:45:23,344 --> 00:45:25,655
but do you think there's a sense
in which, you know,
904
00:45:25,758 --> 00:45:29,241
this was a sort of fantasy
that you had?
905
00:45:29,344 --> 00:45:33,551
- I'm surprised
as anybody could be
906
00:45:33,655 --> 00:45:36,862
as to where we've landed up
and where Caroline's landed up.
907
00:45:36,965 --> 00:45:42,655
- Being an escort was entirely
my choice, and Graham never,
908
00:45:42,758 --> 00:45:46,896
at any point, told me I needed
to be, or anything like that.
909
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,344
- I'm proud of her
and I think it's amazing,
910
00:45:49,448 --> 00:45:50,965
and I constantly want to be sure
911
00:45:51,068 --> 00:45:53,310
that she's doing
what she wants to do, though.
912
00:45:53,413 --> 00:45:54,517
- Mmm.
913
00:45:56,103 --> 00:45:58,517
- I worry far more about that
than maybe you know.
914
00:45:58,620 --> 00:46:00,689
- Yeah.
- Do you really want to do this?
915
00:46:00,793 --> 00:46:03,241
- Yeah. Well, some days I don't.
916
00:46:03,344 --> 00:46:05,068
Some days I wake up and I think,
917
00:46:05,172 --> 00:46:08,448
"Oh, I don't really feel like
doing that today."
918
00:46:08,551 --> 00:46:10,068
- [Graham laughs]
919
00:46:10,172 --> 00:46:13,448
- But then, at the same time,
I think,
920
00:46:13,551 --> 00:46:15,586
"Well, you know,
921
00:46:15,689 --> 00:46:20,827
"I want to be committed to
doing a good job...
922
00:46:21,931 --> 00:46:25,413
"and I don't have anything
else to do,
923
00:46:25,517 --> 00:46:27,310
"so, you know, I'll do it."
924
00:46:27,413 --> 00:46:28,793
[both laugh]
925
00:46:28,896 --> 00:46:31,724
But then, in the process
of that, I'll enjoy it,
926
00:46:31,827 --> 00:46:34,344
so then I'll get into it.
927
00:46:34,448 --> 00:46:36,862
[solemn music]
928
00:46:39,172 --> 00:46:40,896
- Louis: It was incongruous,
929
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,689
but Caroline seemed to have
gained a sense of self
930
00:46:43,793 --> 00:46:46,827
from embracing a role
as a sexual commodity.
931
00:46:48,724 --> 00:46:52,241
Controlled in her childhood,
and now finding satisfaction
932
00:46:52,344 --> 00:46:56,655
fulfilling the desires of men
on terms that were more her own.
933
00:47:01,896 --> 00:47:05,586
Graham, for his part, seemed
happy to endure some insecurity
934
00:47:05,689 --> 00:47:08,931
as the price of a more sexually
adventurous marriage.
935
00:47:12,137 --> 00:47:14,206
[solemn music]
936
00:47:16,241 --> 00:47:20,379
In a way, Caroline's age
and maturity were reassuring.
937
00:47:20,482 --> 00:47:22,137
It was with those who were
younger
938
00:47:22,241 --> 00:47:25,275
that I found myself tempted to
take a more protective attitude.
939
00:47:26,862 --> 00:47:29,137
At a pub near her flat
in South West London,
940
00:47:29,241 --> 00:47:30,551
I was meeting Ashleigh.
941
00:47:30,655 --> 00:47:33,344
- Louis! Louis!
- Hello!
942
00:47:33,448 --> 00:47:35,413
- Hello! How are you?
- Good. How are you?
943
00:47:35,517 --> 00:47:37,413
- I'm OK. Sorry, I'm a bit
sweaty, 'cause I'm, like...
944
00:47:37,517 --> 00:47:38,931
- You've changed your hair
again!
945
00:47:39,034 --> 00:47:41,034
- I know! But I look great.
- Wow! Nice to see you.
946
00:47:41,137 --> 00:47:42,724
- Nice to see you. How are you?
- Good.
947
00:47:42,827 --> 00:47:44,068
- Good!
- Let's go inside.
948
00:47:44,172 --> 00:47:45,931
- Did you have a haircut?
- Yes, I'm afraid so.
949
00:47:46,034 --> 00:47:47,275
- Looks great.
950
00:47:51,172 --> 00:47:52,862
- You know I asked you
to bring some photos?
951
00:47:52,965 --> 00:47:54,103
- Yeah, I brought
my baby photos.
952
00:47:54,206 --> 00:47:55,620
- Did you bring them?
953
00:47:57,413 --> 00:47:58,413
Oh, so cute!
954
00:47:58,517 --> 00:48:01,103
- I know! I'm so cute.
[laughs]
955
00:48:01,206 --> 00:48:03,172
- Your parents were very young
when they had you.
956
00:48:03,275 --> 00:48:05,379
- Yeah. So, I think my mum
got pregnant at 15.
957
00:48:05,482 --> 00:48:06,413
- Really?
958
00:48:06,517 --> 00:48:08,586
But, I mean, it wasn't like
your dad was much older, though?
959
00:48:08,689 --> 00:48:10,758
- No, I think my dad was 16.
960
00:48:10,862 --> 00:48:12,931
- So that's your dad?
- That's my dad. Uh-huh.
961
00:48:13,034 --> 00:48:15,068
- He looks like a child himself.
Yeah.
962
00:48:15,172 --> 00:48:17,413
- 1995, my dude.
- Was it '95?
963
00:48:17,517 --> 00:48:19,379
- That's when I was born.
But they were children.
964
00:48:19,482 --> 00:48:21,275
- But they didn't stay together
that long, is that right?
965
00:48:21,379 --> 00:48:23,137
- Yeah. They stayed together
till I was about 3 or 4,
966
00:48:23,241 --> 00:48:24,827
- I think?
- So, three or four years.
967
00:48:24,931 --> 00:48:27,896
- Yeah. I don't ever remember
them being together.
968
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,896
He wasn't the kindest man
when I was growing up,
969
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,172
or the most supportive,
970
00:48:34,275 --> 00:48:36,896
and I've tried so hard to form
a relationship with my dad,
971
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,482
like, so hard,
for so many years,
972
00:48:39,586 --> 00:48:42,344
and I'm not doing it anymore.
I've given up,
973
00:48:42,448 --> 00:48:44,620
'cause it's heartbreaking...
[laughs]
974
00:48:44,724 --> 00:48:46,379
..to try,
do you know what I mean?
975
00:48:46,482 --> 00:48:50,172
- It's almost a cliché of women
involved in sex work
976
00:48:50,275 --> 00:48:55,034
that they have complicated
or strained relationships.
977
00:48:55,137 --> 00:48:57,586
- With their father. I don't
know if it is completely.
978
00:48:57,689 --> 00:48:59,448
I can only speak for myself.
979
00:48:59,551 --> 00:49:03,068
I'm so desperate for people to,
like, not even like me, just,
980
00:49:03,172 --> 00:49:05,344
like, acknowledge my existence,
981
00:49:05,448 --> 00:49:08,931
and I think that I only see
my existence as a sum of my,
982
00:49:09,034 --> 00:49:12,517
like...the pleasure that I can
give other people.
983
00:49:12,620 --> 00:49:14,793
No-one wants to be around me
just for who I am.
984
00:49:14,896 --> 00:49:17,344
People want to be around me
for what I can give to them,
985
00:49:17,448 --> 00:49:20,172
and, like, for most men,
what I can give to them is sex.
986
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:23,689
Between the ages of 6 to 12,
987
00:49:23,793 --> 00:49:25,896
I was sexually abused by someone
that was really close to me,
988
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,103
so I think that I'm just
very hypersexualised
989
00:49:29,206 --> 00:49:30,344
because of that,
990
00:49:30,448 --> 00:49:32,827
and I just value a lot of my,
like...
991
00:49:32,931 --> 00:49:34,655
That was the time
that I felt wanted,
992
00:49:34,758 --> 00:49:37,206
because they didn't care
about me otherwise.
993
00:49:37,310 --> 00:49:39,482
[laughs]
994
00:49:39,586 --> 00:49:41,724
Oh, it was really rough.
995
00:49:41,827 --> 00:49:43,758
It was really, really,
really rough.
996
00:49:43,862 --> 00:49:45,517
And then when he stopped,
997
00:49:45,620 --> 00:49:48,034
I basically just assumed
that he hated me.
998
00:49:48,137 --> 00:49:50,586
Does that make sense?
So then, when he stopped,
999
00:49:50,689 --> 00:49:54,379
it just made everything worse,
basically.
1000
00:49:54,482 --> 00:49:55,655
Sorry.
1001
00:49:56,758 --> 00:49:59,034
But I'm over it, I think.
1002
00:50:01,379 --> 00:50:04,000
I say that as I cry.
I'm over it, it's fine.
1003
00:50:04,103 --> 00:50:05,931
Like, it happens. Shit happens.
1004
00:50:06,034 --> 00:50:07,724
You just have to try and turn
that into something
1005
00:50:07,827 --> 00:50:10,758
that you can make yourself
a better person with,
1006
00:50:10,862 --> 00:50:12,896
so I'm using that experience
to not let myself
1007
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,172
be in situations where I'm gonna
feel vulnerable
1008
00:50:15,275 --> 00:50:19,482
and feel like my self-worth
is down to my sexual actions.
1009
00:50:19,586 --> 00:50:21,000
Does that make sense?
1010
00:50:22,482 --> 00:50:24,344
- Are you alright?
- Yeah, I'm honestly fine.
1011
00:50:24,448 --> 00:50:26,379
- OK.
- I'm just a big crier, sorry.
1012
00:50:26,482 --> 00:50:28,137
[laughs]
1013
00:50:28,241 --> 00:50:31,000
- What occurs to me is that
you've got a lot going on...
1014
00:50:31,103 --> 00:50:33,206
- Mmm.
- ..inside your head.
1015
00:50:33,310 --> 00:50:35,344
I've heard you say
more than once
1016
00:50:35,448 --> 00:50:40,551
that you don't appreciate
a sort of saviour mentality.
1017
00:50:40,655 --> 00:50:41,724
- No.
1018
00:50:41,827 --> 00:50:43,379
- And I think I respect you
too much...
1019
00:50:43,482 --> 00:50:44,448
- [laughs]
1020
00:50:44,551 --> 00:50:46,689
- ..to presume to judge
your choices, right?
1021
00:50:46,793 --> 00:50:47,724
- Yeah.
1022
00:50:47,827 --> 00:50:49,275
- But at the same time,
I'm also aware
1023
00:50:49,379 --> 00:50:51,137
that with everything going on,
1024
00:50:51,241 --> 00:50:53,413
it's actually screaming out,
isn't it, the fact...
1025
00:50:53,517 --> 00:50:54,586
- Yeah. Look, that's true.
1026
00:50:54,689 --> 00:50:56,344
- ..that you've embraced
a kind of work
1027
00:50:56,448 --> 00:51:01,379
that involves a lot of emotional
and physical self-exposure.
1028
00:51:01,482 --> 00:51:02,689
- Yeah. 100%.
- Right?
1029
00:51:02,793 --> 00:51:04,241
And you must have thought
about that a lot?
1030
00:51:04,344 --> 00:51:05,241
- Definitely.
1031
00:51:05,344 --> 00:51:06,896
And I think that because
I was just so used to it,
1032
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:08,620
I don't see it as a big deal,
because I...
1033
00:51:08,724 --> 00:51:10,517
- Right. Which doesn't
necessarily mean
1034
00:51:10,620 --> 00:51:12,724
- it isn't a big deal.
- Yeah, exactly.
1035
00:51:12,827 --> 00:51:15,655
- Is there part of you
that's wondering whether...
1036
00:51:18,103 --> 00:51:19,482
it's the right kind of work?
1037
00:51:19,586 --> 00:51:21,448
- No, I'm fine with the work.
1038
00:51:21,551 --> 00:51:23,758
I think it gives you, like,
a numbness.
1039
00:51:23,862 --> 00:51:25,448
- But I think...
A sort of "numbness."
1040
00:51:25,551 --> 00:51:27,689
OK, that's a good way
of putting it.
1041
00:51:27,793 --> 00:51:29,931
- It's just, like, I always say
this to my mum, like,
1042
00:51:30,034 --> 00:51:31,862
"I don't like sex,
I like affection,"
1043
00:51:31,965 --> 00:51:33,758
and you get affection from sex,
1044
00:51:33,862 --> 00:51:36,620
and I seem to think that that's
the only way I'm gonna get it,
1045
00:51:36,724 --> 00:51:38,517
so I'm, like, trapped in this.
1046
00:51:38,620 --> 00:51:40,275
But I don't think
that I'm gonna get affection
1047
00:51:40,379 --> 00:51:41,965
from these men on Adult Work.
1048
00:51:42,068 --> 00:51:44,931
I know for a fact that it's,
like, not sustainable,
1049
00:51:45,034 --> 00:51:48,103
and I know that that's not gonna
cure me.
1050
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,413
I'm cute, aren't I? I'm so fat.
1051
00:51:52,517 --> 00:51:54,586
Look at my cheeks. [laughs]
1052
00:51:54,689 --> 00:51:56,862
[solemn music]
1053
00:51:59,517 --> 00:52:02,586
It seemed clear Ashleigh was
drawn to selling sex
1054
00:52:02,689 --> 00:52:05,172
at least in part
because of a background of abuse
1055
00:52:05,275 --> 00:52:06,724
and ill treatment.
1056
00:52:08,068 --> 00:52:10,689
How her new life would
contribute to her recovery
1057
00:52:10,793 --> 00:52:13,206
I found almost impossible
to know.
1058
00:52:20,034 --> 00:52:22,517
More than ever, I was struck by
the difficult position
1059
00:52:22,620 --> 00:52:24,482
of many of those selling sex,
1060
00:52:24,586 --> 00:52:27,827
taking part in an economy
viewed by some as immoral
1061
00:52:27,931 --> 00:52:30,413
and others as coerced
and unhealthy...
1062
00:52:31,206 --> 00:52:33,896
feeling judged on both sides.
1063
00:52:36,310 --> 00:52:38,793
But I was also troubled by
the question of whether
1064
00:52:38,896 --> 00:52:41,000
they were being completely open
with me
1065
00:52:41,103 --> 00:52:42,724
about the cost of what they did.
1066
00:52:47,551 --> 00:52:49,758
Back in Nottingham
for one last visit,
1067
00:52:49,862 --> 00:52:53,379
I was with Victoria and Sapphire
on an outing to the nail salon.
1068
00:52:56,827 --> 00:52:58,413
- Victoria: Mmm,
what shall I have?
1069
00:52:58,517 --> 00:53:00,310
- Have a blue sorta thing.
- I don't like blue.
1070
00:53:00,413 --> 00:53:02,206
- I like blue.
It looks nice on you.
1071
00:53:03,310 --> 00:53:05,310
Oh, not silver,
'cause you always get silver.
1072
00:53:05,413 --> 00:53:07,758
- Right.
- I'll have to get pink.
1073
00:53:08,862 --> 00:53:13,689
- I love pink-silver
on my glitter. [laughs]
1074
00:53:14,965 --> 00:53:17,413
- But I think the two of you
are quite close, aren't you?
1075
00:53:17,517 --> 00:53:19,758
- Yeah.
- Yeah, we're very close.
1076
00:53:19,862 --> 00:53:21,000
- Yeah.
1077
00:53:22,344 --> 00:53:24,724
But she's still at that age now
where...
1078
00:53:26,344 --> 00:53:27,862
she's got her own little life,
1079
00:53:27,965 --> 00:53:30,103
and she wants to go out with
her friends, as well.
1080
00:53:30,206 --> 00:53:33,344
- Mmm. Do you think, having had
the experiences you had
1081
00:53:33,448 --> 00:53:36,896
growing up, that that's made you
more careful as a mum?
1082
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,517
- Oh, God, yeah. Definitely.
1083
00:53:39,620 --> 00:53:42,551
[laughs] Sapphire will tell you,
I've put trackers on her phone
1084
00:53:42,655 --> 00:53:43,931
and everything, haven't I?
1085
00:53:44,034 --> 00:53:45,862
- You're very protective.
1086
00:53:45,965 --> 00:53:47,344
But that's a good thing.
1087
00:53:47,448 --> 00:53:49,103
I know I've complained about it
a lot,
1088
00:53:49,206 --> 00:53:51,034
but it is a good thing really,
isn't it?
1089
00:53:51,137 --> 00:53:52,551
- It is, yeah.
1090
00:53:52,655 --> 00:53:54,862
- In an alternate reality,
1091
00:53:54,965 --> 00:53:57,000
if Sapphire was sort of
a different person
1092
00:53:57,103 --> 00:54:01,482
and wanted to pursue work
like you do, adult work,
1093
00:54:01,586 --> 00:54:03,344
what would be your view?
1094
00:54:03,448 --> 00:54:05,620
- No, I wouldn't want that
at all, you know?
1095
00:54:05,724 --> 00:54:07,275
No, of course I wouldn't.
1096
00:54:07,379 --> 00:54:09,344
It's just the judgement
around it,
1097
00:54:09,448 --> 00:54:12,275
especially when everybody else
is questioning you and saying,
1098
00:54:12,379 --> 00:54:15,655
you know, stuff about you,
you...
1099
00:54:15,758 --> 00:54:17,586
then you're battling with
yourself, thinking,
1100
00:54:17,689 --> 00:54:19,862
"Am I doing the right thing?
Am I not?" You know?
1101
00:54:21,034 --> 00:54:22,827
I think that's why girls
don't last long
1102
00:54:22,931 --> 00:54:25,000
in this industry, as well.
1103
00:54:25,103 --> 00:54:27,379
I guess it's a whole stigma.
1104
00:54:29,793 --> 00:54:33,206
- [laughs] Bye-bye!
[laughs] See ya!
1105
00:54:33,310 --> 00:54:34,448
- Bye!
1106
00:54:35,896 --> 00:54:37,137
Oh!
1107
00:54:41,068 --> 00:54:44,586
- Louis: Driving back, I thought
about Victoria's choices.
1108
00:54:44,689 --> 00:54:47,551
For all the difficulty
they'd created in her life,
1109
00:54:47,655 --> 00:54:50,344
it was also true that they'd
allowed her to give her children
1110
00:54:50,448 --> 00:54:53,241
an upbringing very different
from the one she'd had.
1111
00:54:59,724 --> 00:55:03,862
- Hello!
- Oh, thank you! See ya!
1112
00:55:06,793 --> 00:55:09,034
Look what we got!
1113
00:55:09,137 --> 00:55:12,586
Wait! Don't all grab.
Don't be rude.
1114
00:55:12,689 --> 00:55:14,586
I'm gonna put 'em on a plate
for you.
1115
00:55:14,689 --> 00:55:15,896
- [kid laughs]
1116
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:17,620
- Louis: They bring you
a dipping sauce, as well.
1117
00:55:17,724 --> 00:55:19,310
That's quite handy, isn't it?
1118
00:55:20,724 --> 00:55:22,724
- Come on, let's go get you
in bed. Shoes off.
1119
00:55:23,793 --> 00:55:25,758
Come on then, do your teeth.
1120
00:55:27,482 --> 00:55:29,344
Do you want a book?
1121
00:55:29,448 --> 00:55:34,068
"Paw Patrol pups love spending
time playing outdoors."
1122
00:55:34,724 --> 00:55:36,482
- Louis: Goodnight!
1123
00:55:39,896 --> 00:55:42,758
With the kids in bed, it was a
chance to speak more candidly.
1124
00:55:44,586 --> 00:55:46,896
- You'd talked about getting
out of escorting...
1125
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:47,931
- Yeah.
1126
00:55:48,034 --> 00:55:51,344
- ..and just doing adult film
and appearances,
1127
00:55:51,448 --> 00:55:52,724
- things like that.
- Yeah.
1128
00:55:52,827 --> 00:55:54,689
- Are you winding it down?
1129
00:55:56,620 --> 00:56:00,034
- I'm being a lot more picky,
yeah. Definitely.
1130
00:56:00,137 --> 00:56:03,655
Even, to be honest, on certain
shoots and stuff like that,
1131
00:56:03,758 --> 00:56:06,068
I've just said, "No,
I'm not doing that anymore.
1132
00:56:06,172 --> 00:56:07,275
"I don't need to do that."
1133
00:56:07,379 --> 00:56:10,448
I'm spreading myself too thinly.
I'm just wearing myself out.
1134
00:56:10,551 --> 00:56:12,724
- And doing this sorta work
doesn't make you...
1135
00:56:13,862 --> 00:56:16,275
feel anything against men?
1136
00:56:16,379 --> 00:56:18,206
Men are just...
1137
00:56:19,586 --> 00:56:21,172
[laughs] Well...
1138
00:56:21,275 --> 00:56:24,689
I always refer to 'em as very
simple creatures, pretty much.
1139
00:56:24,793 --> 00:56:26,551
They're not complex like us.
1140
00:56:26,655 --> 00:56:28,827
They're not.
You know, they're very simple.
1141
00:56:30,310 --> 00:56:34,068
The majority of men
are not nice. [laughs]
1142
00:56:34,172 --> 00:56:37,965
There's a big percentage that,
you know,
1143
00:56:38,068 --> 00:56:40,275
I don't agree with,
I don't think are nice,
1144
00:56:40,379 --> 00:56:41,862
I don't think respectable.
1145
00:56:41,965 --> 00:56:43,310
- And what are you basing
that on?
1146
00:56:43,413 --> 00:56:45,655
The fact that the way men
have treated you
1147
00:56:45,758 --> 00:56:48,689
in your personal life,
or the way your clients are?
1148
00:56:48,793 --> 00:56:50,931
- Or both?
- Both.
1149
00:56:51,034 --> 00:56:56,862
I think it takes a lot for me
to be able to, I don't know...
1150
00:56:56,965 --> 00:56:59,724
trust a man or whatever.
1151
00:56:59,827 --> 00:57:02,896
- When we were talking before,
there was this question of,
1152
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,275
can it be healthy sort of
psychologically, I suppose.
1153
00:57:06,379 --> 00:57:09,275
What I hear from you is that,
actually,
1154
00:57:09,379 --> 00:57:14,137
doing sex work
is emotionally complicated.
1155
00:57:14,241 --> 00:57:16,758
- Yeah. [sighs]
1156
00:57:16,862 --> 00:57:20,793
I mean, ideally, I'd love
a normal relationship, you know?
1157
00:57:20,896 --> 00:57:23,655
But, I mean, the situation
I'm in at the minute...
1158
00:57:25,068 --> 00:57:27,896
[sighs]
1159
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,413
..is just a relationship with me
and the children,
1160
00:57:30,517 --> 00:57:32,068
do you know what I mean?
1161
00:57:33,862 --> 00:57:38,206
But, obviously, I don't wanna
be like this forever.
1162
00:57:38,310 --> 00:57:40,034
[sighs]
1163
00:57:40,862 --> 00:57:42,241
[footsteps]
1164
00:57:43,379 --> 00:57:45,931
One of the kids is up.
[laughs]
1165
00:57:46,034 --> 00:57:48,000
Let me go and ask him
to settle down.
1166
00:57:48,103 --> 00:57:51,068
[solemn music]
1167
00:57:51,172 --> 00:57:53,172
- Louis: Whether because of
prejudice
1168
00:57:53,275 --> 00:57:55,931
or the unique nature
of physical intimacy,
1169
00:57:56,034 --> 00:57:58,206
we have for centuries
tended to judge those
1170
00:57:58,310 --> 00:58:00,206
who trade sex for money.
1171
00:58:02,655 --> 00:58:05,793
My time among those working
in the new sexual economy
1172
00:58:05,896 --> 00:58:09,551
had shown me women escaping
lives of repression and abuse,
1173
00:58:09,655 --> 00:58:13,275
who believed they were using
trauma to empower themselves.
1174
00:58:15,137 --> 00:58:17,689
With some, I'd worried about
the possibility
1175
00:58:17,793 --> 00:58:20,172
of making vulnerabilities worse.
1176
00:58:21,551 --> 00:58:24,000
But it was also true
that for at least one,
1177
00:58:24,103 --> 00:58:26,034
faced with few other options,
1178
00:58:26,137 --> 00:58:29,137
it had made a precarious
position more manageable
1179
00:58:29,241 --> 00:58:31,379
for her and her family.
1180
00:58:31,482 --> 00:58:34,482
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