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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:13,435 --> 00:00:17,263 I began making this film back home in Iran in 2009 2 00:00:18,044 --> 00:00:20,153 And have since traveled thousands off miles 3 00:00:20,178 --> 00:00:23,006 in search of witnesses and archive material 4 00:00:51,032 --> 00:00:53,961 in 2012 I gave a TED talk 5 00:00:53,986 --> 00:00:57,789 in which I spoke publicly for the first time about making this film 6 00:00:58,696 --> 00:00:59,712 Coup 53 7 00:01:00,052 --> 00:01:01,938 I am going to be telling the story of this man 8 00:01:02,134 --> 00:01:04,048 doctor Mohamed Mossadegh 9 00:01:04,073 --> 00:01:07,368 He was our first democratically elected prime minister 10 00:01:07,446 --> 00:01:11,040 And the closest Iran came to having its own Mahatma Gandhi 11 00:01:16,743 --> 00:01:19,126 My film has taken so long to finish 12 00:01:19,516 --> 00:01:22,602 that some of the people I have interviewed have since died 13 00:01:55,024 --> 00:01:57,758 In 1952 Time magazine named him man of the year 14 00:01:57,783 --> 00:02:01,118 because he had nationalized Iranian oil and pissed off Winston Churchill 15 00:02:01,214 --> 00:02:03,011 and the company that controlled our oil 16 00:02:03,089 --> 00:02:04,321 you now know it as PB 17 00:02:04,346 --> 00:02:07,367 so in August 1953 Eisenhower and Churchill 18 00:02:07,392 --> 00:02:09,612 staged a coup and overthrew Mossadegh 19 00:02:10,102 --> 00:02:13,539 In 1953 the United States together with Britain 20 00:02:13,948 --> 00:02:15,312 have participated in 21 00:02:15,336 --> 00:02:17,112 supporting a coup in Iran 22 00:02:17,581 --> 00:02:22,972 that got rid off Mossadegh who was a left leaning leader of Iran 23 00:02:23,362 --> 00:02:27,034 and restored the Shah to the power in Iran 24 00:02:28,206 --> 00:02:31,370 I grew up in pre-revolution Iran under the rule of the Shah 25 00:02:31,956 --> 00:02:34,846 went to the school and most of the teachers were political activists 26 00:02:34,871 --> 00:02:37,581 frequently arrested by SAVAK: the secret police 27 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,135 My life under the Shah came to an end in 1975 28 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:19,761 when I was sent to England for school. 29 00:03:20,737 --> 00:03:24,487 Suddenly at 15 whole new culture, new environment, new language 30 00:03:24,653 --> 00:03:28,234 , and a new tribe to observe: the British 31 00:03:28,485 --> 00:03:30,008 But unlike the Americans, 32 00:03:30,774 --> 00:03:32,614 the British government has never officially 33 00:03:32,638 --> 00:03:34,059 acknowledged its role in the coup. 34 00:03:34,136 --> 00:03:38,315 I must insist that I do not think at any time we really planned a coup. 35 00:03:38,498 --> 00:03:42,130 Mossadegh was potentially the father of a future democratic Iran 36 00:03:42,521 --> 00:03:44,580 An Iran in which a young 12-year-old boy would 37 00:03:44,604 --> 00:03:47,756 not have had to have his teachers arrested or be scared of reading a book 38 00:03:48,303 --> 00:03:51,818 Nothing in my 30-year career as a documentary maker 39 00:03:53,888 --> 00:03:55,589 has prepared me for the remarkable 40 00:03:55,613 --> 00:03:57,990 discovery I am about to make on this journey 41 00:04:00,726 --> 00:04:04,477 Evidence that has the potential to turn a dark chapter in history 42 00:04:06,115 --> 00:04:07,169 inside out 43 00:04:20,206 --> 00:04:22,116 I am the deputy director and research 44 00:04:22,140 --> 00:04:24,776 director at the national security archive 45 00:04:24,925 --> 00:04:28,792 which is a non-governmental organization based at George Washington University 46 00:04:29,347 --> 00:04:35,088 so I oversee a lot of our research projects looking at declassified documents 47 00:04:35,113 --> 00:04:36,573 from US and other archives 48 00:04:36,878 --> 00:04:38,878 and then I have a couple of my own projects 49 00:04:38,903 --> 00:04:41,574 The main one that I work on is on US-Iran relations 50 00:04:41,644 --> 00:04:44,378 and I spend a lot of time looking at that historical issue. 51 00:04:45,209 --> 00:04:47,346 So, these are the papers that I have been waiting 52 00:04:47,370 --> 00:04:49,490 to see; you have seen them over and over again? 53 00:04:49,515 --> 00:04:51,482 Yes. what have you got? 54 00:04:51,566 --> 00:04:54,617 Well,all kinds of stuff from the whole period of post war of 55 00:04:54,641 --> 00:04:57,284 US-Iran relations so we have been collecting over the years 56 00:04:57,514 --> 00:05:01,787 So among other things I have got a small collection of CIA materials. 57 00:05:01,928 --> 00:05:03,349 They are probably 58 00:05:03,553 --> 00:05:06,990 I would guess maybe 200: 300 pages of CIA records that have been released 59 00:05:07,112 --> 00:05:09,339 officially released over time over the years 60 00:05:09,515 --> 00:05:11,677 200:300? Something like that, yeah 61 00:05:12,014 --> 00:05:16,936 They’re at least three internal histories that the CIA has produced 62 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:22,716 In probably the late 1970s, one of these items was produced 63 00:05:23,248 --> 00:05:25,396 Is this when you write to them asking for information? 64 00:05:25,421 --> 00:05:27,222 This is the response letter to me saying 65 00:05:27,246 --> 00:05:29,498 "we are enclosing this document that you requested" 66 00:05:29,523 --> 00:05:32,896 and then here is the document itself called the battle for Iran 67 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,280 The battle for Iran! Which is still going on! 68 00:05:35,499 --> 00:05:38,053 This is what is new about this release: covert action 69 00:05:38,428 --> 00:05:42,349 In earlier versions which you will see, this is all plotted out 70 00:05:42,381 --> 00:05:44,381 - keep that out - so, we can take this one out 71 00:05:44,406 --> 00:05:47,702 There is still a lot there. I like the fact that there is still lot of blank pages 72 00:05:47,741 --> 00:05:51,272 They are supposed to show you what was there. Right 73 00:05:51,296 --> 00:05:53,850 And what came out that was new? I was in Tehran 74 00:05:54,068 --> 00:05:55,982 On the sixtieth anniversary of the coup 75 00:05:56,007 --> 00:05:59,185 August 19, 2013, I was in Tehran 76 00:05:59,224 --> 00:06:04,029 what was new was essentially this page 77 00:06:04,498 --> 00:06:07,677 the military coup that overthrew Modsadegh and his national front cabinet 78 00:06:07,794 --> 00:06:10,279 was carried out under CIA direction 79 00:06:11,433 --> 00:06:15,534 They had never to my knowledge officially acknowledged their role 80 00:06:15,925 --> 00:06:17,058 - Right! - in the coup 81 00:06:17,346 --> 00:06:19,573 And you see here the first part of that sentence there 82 00:06:19,597 --> 00:06:21,252 As an act of US foreign policy 83 00:06:21,292 --> 00:06:23,792 conceived and approved at the highest levels of government 84 00:06:24,089 --> 00:06:27,331 It was not an aggressively simplistic solution, clandestinely arrived at 85 00:06:27,860 --> 00:06:31,446 but was instead an official admission by both the United States and United Kingdom 86 00:06:31,471 --> 00:06:34,284 that normal rational methods of international communication 87 00:06:34,948 --> 00:06:36,237 and commerce had failed 88 00:06:36,511 --> 00:06:37,815 i.e., Mossadegh was in the way 89 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,081 -And even acknowledged the British role -Right 90 00:06:40,767 --> 00:06:43,345 So, this is the CIA outing the British 91 00:06:43,737 --> 00:06:45,222 who have not yet confessed to it 92 00:06:45,980 --> 00:06:47,816 Right Do you know what, Malcom? um 93 00:06:48,464 --> 00:06:49,613 I am standing 94 00:06:50,223 --> 00:06:51,918 in front of the filing cabinet 95 00:06:52,137 --> 00:06:53,676 of a drawer full of documents 96 00:06:54,691 --> 00:06:56,839 that essentially changed the fate of my country 97 00:06:57,269 --> 00:07:02,698 and changed my fate: what happened to me, what happened to my family,my my.. 98 00:07:03,191 --> 00:07:06,448 It was like how your lives, your fate, your destiny is 99 00:07:06,995 --> 00:07:10,394 - encapsulated - Yeah, in half a file drawer 100 00:07:10,628 --> 00:07:13,284 This is it.This changed Iran 101 00:07:13,557 --> 00:07:15,565 This box of papers 102 00:07:18,517 --> 00:07:21,697 You had a million dollars in cash that will run the coup, right? 103 00:07:21,893 --> 00:07:28,860 That is right, and we used about sixty thousand dollars of it. That was all 104 00:07:28,923 --> 00:07:32,560 - Are you saying that sixty thousand dollars was all it took? -Yep 105 00:07:32,810 --> 00:07:34,810 I do not know where the money went 106 00:07:35,046 --> 00:07:39,562 and I did not ask because it was so damn little,that uh 107 00:07:39,837 --> 00:07:41,750 that no one was going to ask me any questions 108 00:07:41,774 --> 00:07:44,953 All they asked me was how the dickens did you get away with spending so little 109 00:07:46,421 --> 00:07:48,899 For those among you who know anything about the coup 110 00:07:49,389 --> 00:07:53,335 Kermit Roosevelt's name has become synonymous with the events of 1953 111 00:07:54,546 --> 00:07:58,100 His version of the story, the stuff of books and TV documentaries 112 00:07:58,124 --> 00:08:00,616 has been the received wisdom for decades 113 00:08:01,928 --> 00:08:04,779 But what we are about to discover in the making of this film 114 00:08:05,171 --> 00:08:09,506 will reveal the suppressed history of what really happened and who was responsible. 115 00:08:10,038 --> 00:08:12,753 This is the most important document our film has discovered 116 00:08:12,777 --> 00:08:15,460 in its nine-year history of production 117 00:08:16,068 --> 00:08:18,763 This has gone on fifty or sixty years 118 00:08:19,271 --> 00:08:23,920 With the United States has been involved in overthrowing governments 119 00:08:23,945 --> 00:08:28,295 Mossadegh back in 1953. No body knows who Mossadeq was 120 00:08:28,435 --> 00:08:31,615 Democratically elected prime minister of Iran 121 00:08:31,795 --> 00:08:34,544 He was overthrown by British and American interest 122 00:08:35,107 --> 00:08:37,865 because he threatened oil interest of the British 123 00:08:38,011 --> 00:08:42,269 And as result of that, the Shah of Iran came in: terrible dictator 124 00:08:42,294 --> 00:08:45,134 Result of that you had the Iranian revolution coming in 125 00:08:45,158 --> 00:08:46,849 and that's where we are today 126 00:08:49,656 --> 00:08:50,710 Good evening! 127 00:08:50,930 --> 00:08:53,785 on day thirty-seven of the seizure of the American embassy 128 00:08:53,809 --> 00:08:55,539 and the kidnapping of the hostages 129 00:08:55,657 --> 00:08:59,875 the United States has now moved the crisis toward a showdown stage 130 00:09:00,032 --> 00:09:06,477 For most Americans , the Iran story begins in 1979 and the hostage crisis 131 00:09:06,812 --> 00:09:12,452 that gripped the world for 444 days and cost Jimmy carter his presidency 132 00:09:15,891 --> 00:09:19,954 But for us Iranians, the story goes back to 1953 133 00:09:20,889 --> 00:09:25,889 and the CIA/MI6 coup that crushed democracy in our homeland 134 00:09:26,157 --> 00:09:29,711 Three hundred killed and hundreds wounded as a conservative estimate 135 00:09:31,921 --> 00:09:35,664 Mossadegh and his government were swept from power in favour of general Zahedi 136 00:09:35,844 --> 00:09:38,071 the man appointed by the Shah in the first place 137 00:09:38,344 --> 00:09:41,234 The thoughts of Britain instinctively turned to Abadan 138 00:09:41,530 --> 00:09:44,374 that monument of British enterprise and engineering skill 139 00:09:45,287 --> 00:09:48,227 The force to abandon what we had created in the wilderness 140 00:09:48,460 --> 00:09:49,479 Is it to much to hope 141 00:09:49,503 --> 00:09:52,874 that we shall see once more the tankers of Britain at Abadan 142 00:09:53,109 --> 00:09:54,945 maybe sanity will yet prevail 143 00:09:55,141 --> 00:09:57,563 and Iran and Britain go forward in harmony. 144 00:10:02,930 --> 00:10:06,278 You know I was here earlier looking through the titles on these boxes 145 00:10:06,302 --> 00:10:07,368 Iran–Contra 146 00:10:07,774 --> 00:10:09,610 CIA Family Jewels 147 00:10:09,635 --> 00:10:11,094 Iran-US relations 148 00:10:11,211 --> 00:10:13,438 Nest of spies, documents from Iran ,Chile Chile 149 00:10:13,633 --> 00:10:16,865 Behavioral study,Mind control. and there is incoming FOIA 150 00:10:16,890 --> 00:10:20,000 - that means new stuff coming in - Right we get stuff everyday 151 00:10:20,025 --> 00:10:22,657 Because we have been filing requests for years and years 152 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,767 It's like a freight train or it just keeps coming and keeps coming 153 00:10:26,148 --> 00:10:28,749 Are you okay for me to spend some time just going through these ? 154 00:10:28,774 --> 00:10:31,445 Absolutely, this is the idea yep help yourself 155 00:10:31,470 --> 00:10:34,141 Thank you very much. I don't know where to start 156 00:10:34,375 --> 00:10:36,996 -Alright -Maybe, I will one day win the battle for Iran. 157 00:10:37,020 --> 00:10:38,750 If I can read enough of those 158 00:10:38,775 --> 00:10:40,743 - Happy reading! - Thank you so much, Malcolm. 159 00:10:43,071 --> 00:10:44,259 The battle for Iran! 160 00:10:56,034 --> 00:10:59,042 It is an entire CIA profile of Mossadegh 161 00:11:00,253 --> 00:11:02,682 Mossadegh's power rose from his consummate ability 162 00:11:02,706 --> 00:11:05,136 to appeal to national aspirations and emotions 163 00:11:05,433 --> 00:11:09,674 The above fact is too little to explain his often bizarre behaviour as a politician 164 00:11:09,964 --> 00:11:12,230 We would call him doughty in some respects 165 00:11:12,659 --> 00:11:17,112 but he was not impersonal. Some of the very moderate person parliament 166 00:11:17,137 --> 00:11:19,823 Parliamentarians would weep when he spoke 167 00:11:19,979 --> 00:11:23,519 even though they knew perfectly well that it was ruinous for their country 168 00:11:23,675 --> 00:11:25,471 and impractical 169 00:11:25,611 --> 00:11:29,994 His way of living and general appearance did not stike one as being 170 00:11:30,548 --> 00:11:33,516 the sort of person you would think of as a prime minister 171 00:11:33,750 --> 00:11:36,329 and I do not mean that because he did not wear stripe trousers 172 00:11:36,548 --> 00:11:38,179 In fact, he always wore pajamas 173 00:11:38,515 --> 00:11:40,515 and that was a rather odd 174 00:11:41,563 --> 00:11:44,414 figure for the future prime minister to cut 175 00:11:44,493 --> 00:11:51,055 My uncle was someone who did not go in for formalities as such 176 00:11:51,563 --> 00:11:54,024 He was who he was 177 00:11:54,492 --> 00:11:58,168 And because of his dress 178 00:11:58,192 --> 00:12:00,796 they didn't think they are prepared to make the difference 179 00:12:01,386 --> 00:12:07,011 Of course, it was the first time that heads of state or politicians 180 00:12:07,479 --> 00:12:11,347 came to a bed side of a prime minister to discuss politics with him 181 00:12:11,659 --> 00:12:14,237 So, it was quite strange in western eyes 182 00:12:14,262 --> 00:12:16,269 Mossadegh was truly a remarkable figure 183 00:12:16,425 --> 00:12:20,487 his father had been finance minister of Iran for decades 184 00:12:20,644 --> 00:12:23,573 his mother had been a princess coming out of the Qajar dynasty 185 00:12:24,003 --> 00:12:26,507 While he was still a teenager, 186 00:12:26,531 --> 00:12:30,214 he became the chief tax collector for his home province 187 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:32,482 And he greatly impressed people 188 00:12:32,506 --> 00:12:35,683 with his honesty and his seriousness and his efficiency. 189 00:12:36,107 --> 00:12:41,107 He went on to become highly educated. He was the first Iranian 190 00:12:41,497 --> 00:12:45,326 to receive a doctorate in laws from a European university 191 00:12:45,560 --> 00:12:49,388 He was probably the most highly educated Iranian of his generation 192 00:12:49,623 --> 00:12:54,154 I do not think that there has been in the last 50 years 193 00:12:55,013 --> 00:13:01,693 anybody more prestigious than Mossadegh in the history of the country. Why? 194 00:13:02,162 --> 00:13:05,067 For one thing: Mossadegh was incorruptible 195 00:13:06,498 --> 00:13:10,756 The second thing was: he was against the power 196 00:13:10,872 --> 00:13:12,513 always stood up to the power. 197 00:14:26,966 --> 00:14:30,314 End of Empire was a major fourteen-part television series 198 00:14:30,456 --> 00:14:34,973 that chronicled the unwinding of the British empire country by country. 199 00:14:35,833 --> 00:14:38,607 Even though, Iran was technically not part of the empire 200 00:14:38,958 --> 00:14:42,005 it had been dominated for so long by British commercial interest 201 00:14:42,552 --> 00:14:45,091 that it had to be included as one of the featured programs. 202 00:14:45,521 --> 00:14:46,537 Alison Rooper!! 203 00:15:42,665 --> 00:15:43,741 Look at this! 204 00:15:45,304 --> 00:15:46,944 A bag full of stuff 205 00:15:49,110 --> 00:15:50,811 from a basement in Paris 206 00:15:54,171 --> 00:15:58,390 What you see here are the researched notes and transcripts and interview notes 207 00:15:58,414 --> 00:16:01,475 made by the production team of End of Empire 208 00:16:02,608 --> 00:16:05,811 British diplomats who were involved in the coup, foreign office officials 209 00:16:06,163 --> 00:16:08,780 possibly MI6, I see a CIA name here. 210 00:16:09,522 --> 00:16:13,501 who knows what combing through these papers will throw out for us 211 00:16:16,606 --> 00:16:23,379 These words of these people have not been heard or seen for over thirty-four years. 212 00:16:27,583 --> 00:16:31,415 These look like actual working copies of transcripts 213 00:16:31,439 --> 00:16:32,973 interview transcripts 214 00:16:35,161 --> 00:16:38,950 Pretty old school. The cut and paste school of structuring a film 215 00:16:39,184 --> 00:16:40,746 They have cut the bits they liked 216 00:16:43,130 --> 00:16:44,770 to edit into the film. 217 00:16:49,419 --> 00:16:51,020 Darbyshire tapes 218 00:16:52,144 --> 00:16:54,761 And you have come across the name of Norman Darbyshire? 219 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,871 Sure, yeah. He is named in the Wilber history 220 00:16:58,441 --> 00:17:02,129 and he is the one who works with Wilber in Nicosia 221 00:17:02,247 --> 00:17:04,044 -to put the plan together. -Okay. 222 00:17:04,069 --> 00:17:06,310 So, he is high level MI6? 223 00:17:06,428 --> 00:17:09,043 Right, and someone with Iran expertise. 224 00:17:09,731 --> 00:17:10,918 This is amazing! 225 00:17:13,145 --> 00:17:15,919 They have used quite a bit of him because there is so many 226 00:17:15,943 --> 00:17:19,160 chunks that have been cut out. 227 00:17:20,059 --> 00:17:23,262 But I do not recall watching End of Empire 228 00:17:24,669 --> 00:17:27,012 and seeing a Darbyshire in it 229 00:17:32,214 --> 00:17:36,901 Excellent! If we want the coup in detail and even if not 230 00:17:38,792 --> 00:17:42,449 Why did they select bits of interview from him 231 00:17:42,824 --> 00:17:44,636 cut it out, paste it into a script 232 00:17:44,894 --> 00:17:46,745 probably edit it into the film 233 00:17:49,558 --> 00:17:51,589 but he did not make the final cut?! 234 00:17:52,526 --> 00:17:53,933 he is not in the finished film. 235 00:17:58,035 --> 00:18:00,104 In a remarkable stroke of luck 236 00:18:00,417 --> 00:18:02,843 we have discovered that the British film institute archive 237 00:18:02,867 --> 00:18:06,393 hold the unused footage from the End of Empire Iran episode 238 00:18:07,018 --> 00:18:12,096 After years of intense negotiation,we break through the red tape and financial barriers 239 00:18:12,121 --> 00:18:14,121 and finally get access. 240 00:18:16,980 --> 00:18:18,425 Thirty-six cans of film 241 00:18:18,761 --> 00:18:20,761 five hundred and twenty minutes of interview 242 00:18:21,175 --> 00:18:23,386 among which we hope to find Norman Darbyshire 243 00:18:23,815 --> 00:18:25,456 and it is recording. Great! 244 00:18:43,738 --> 00:18:48,464 We have Digitized the entire collection of End of Empire given to us by the BFI 245 00:18:49,285 --> 00:18:51,511 We did not find Norman Darbyshire. 246 00:19:03,542 --> 00:19:06,667 This is End of Empires' cast list 247 00:19:07,003 --> 00:19:09,003 and number one is Darbyshire 248 00:19:10,066 --> 00:19:13,503 gets a tick and an asterisk. 249 00:19:15,745 --> 00:19:17,034 Darbyshire features here 250 00:19:17,239 --> 00:19:20,261 plan conceived by Darbyshire and Woodhouse 251 00:19:21,277 --> 00:19:23,816 Darbyshire was the undercover man 252 00:19:24,206 --> 00:19:27,722 Samuel Falle worked under Darbyshire 253 00:19:30,417 --> 00:19:35,496 British embassy staff photograph, Tehran, class of 1952 254 00:19:38,464 --> 00:19:40,886 an this is Norman Darbyshire 255 00:19:43,464 --> 00:19:46,160 looking very much the cool undercover spy 256 00:19:47,839 --> 00:19:51,003 Darbyshire would have been twenty-nine, when this photograph was taken 257 00:19:51,027 --> 00:19:54,167 He was born on the first of October 1924. 258 00:19:54,753 --> 00:19:59,089 And he died on the seventeenth of June 1993 259 00:20:01,253 --> 00:20:03,558 His CIA counterpart was Stephen Meade. 260 00:20:03,893 --> 00:20:05,862 We found his can of film 261 00:20:06,003 --> 00:20:08,557 even though he too was cut out of the finished film 262 00:20:11,722 --> 00:20:13,245 Stephen Meade on Iran 263 00:20:13,347 --> 00:20:17,581 This is what End of Empire production team thought of Stephen Meade 264 00:20:17,912 --> 00:20:20,842 A young 69,hatchet-faced 265 00:20:20,925 --> 00:20:24,182 like a bit part player in B movie thriller. 266 00:20:24,478 --> 00:20:26,252 and above all,Good. 267 00:20:26,939 --> 00:20:28,362 This is brilliant! 268 00:20:32,816 --> 00:20:33,985 Wow! 269 00:20:34,207 --> 00:20:36,721 Your British counter part was in fact blank 270 00:20:37,189 --> 00:20:39,689 could you tell me something about the man,blank 271 00:20:40,055 --> 00:20:42,512 -Your British counter part was in fact Norman Darbyshire -yes 272 00:20:42,538 --> 00:20:44,955 could you tell me something about the man,Norman Darbyshire? 273 00:20:45,072 --> 00:20:47,529 Well, I did not know him at all before I met him 274 00:20:47,554 --> 00:20:49,734 What kind of a man was blank? 275 00:20:50,276 --> 00:20:51,917 What kind of a man was Norman Darbyshire? 276 00:20:54,690 --> 00:20:56,448 Darbyshire has been wiped out 277 00:20:57,190 --> 00:20:58,362 cleaned out 278 00:20:58,870 --> 00:21:00,042 everywhere 279 00:21:09,159 --> 00:21:10,722 But, amazingly 280 00:21:11,791 --> 00:21:15,877 I have not found an identical Darbyshire interview uncut. 281 00:21:17,205 --> 00:21:21,086 One Norman Darbyshire original interview cut up. 282 00:21:21,184 --> 00:21:22,199 And then 283 00:21:23,143 --> 00:21:25,448 a Darbyshire interview intact. 284 00:21:25,955 --> 00:21:29,158 So, this Darbyshire interview which is exactly the same. 285 00:21:30,409 --> 00:21:31,424 Darbyshire Darbyshire 286 00:21:33,495 --> 00:21:35,448 Here Darbyshire has been blanked out. 287 00:21:37,948 --> 00:21:41,034 This has not been cut which means 288 00:21:42,299 --> 00:21:44,572 All the bits that they selected 289 00:21:45,873 --> 00:21:46,889 for the film 290 00:21:48,017 --> 00:21:50,253 and cut out of this one 291 00:21:52,205 --> 00:21:53,299 are in this one 292 00:22:49,758 --> 00:22:55,437 Afshartous was one of the few generals who was very pro-Mossadegh. 293 00:22:55,947 --> 00:22:57,353 Tough minded guy 294 00:22:57,861 --> 00:23:01,220 so, Mossadegh appointed him chief of police 295 00:23:01,805 --> 00:23:05,716 and for the anti-Mossadegh army officers 296 00:23:05,741 --> 00:23:07,901 he was a bit noir. 297 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:12,889 Police chief Afshartous claimed to have a list of Iranian officials 298 00:23:13,357 --> 00:23:17,107 who were conspiring with the Americans to unseat Mossadegh 299 00:23:17,132 --> 00:23:18,710 and he was going to publicize this. 300 00:23:30,636 --> 00:23:31,990 I know it is so English. 301 00:23:33,201 --> 00:23:34,295 Hello! 302 00:23:35,663 --> 00:23:36,938 Nice to meet you! 303 00:23:37,798 --> 00:23:38,865 Lovely to meet you! 304 00:23:38,889 --> 00:23:41,365 -Thank you so much for coming in ,Alison. -Pleasure! 305 00:23:41,506 --> 00:23:46,131 Absolutely. I also just wanted to compliment you on the depth of your research. 306 00:23:46,835 --> 00:23:49,803 which was a great service to us. 307 00:23:49,827 --> 00:23:54,764 And now because we have gotten all of that material from the BFI 308 00:23:55,115 --> 00:23:58,162 meshing very nicely with our interviews 309 00:23:58,186 --> 00:24:00,975 with the Iranian side of the equation 310 00:24:02,069 --> 00:24:04,881 So, this would give you an idea of the style of our film 311 00:24:04,944 --> 00:24:06,850 like how we are approaching the story 312 00:24:09,177 --> 00:24:10,310 Look at this! 313 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,201 A bag full of stuff 314 00:24:13,904 --> 00:24:15,467 from a basement in Paris. 315 00:24:19,217 --> 00:24:23,397 What you see here are the researched notes and transcripts and interview notes 316 00:24:23,421 --> 00:24:26,600 made by the production team of End of Empire 317 00:24:27,303 --> 00:24:31,482 These look like actual working copies of transcripts 318 00:24:31,506 --> 00:24:33,006 interview transcripts 319 00:24:34,256 --> 00:24:36,717 The cut and paste school of structuring a film. 320 00:24:36,741 --> 00:24:39,256 They have cut the bits they liked 321 00:24:39,842 --> 00:24:41,678 to edit into the film. 322 00:24:43,514 --> 00:24:44,881 Darbyshire tapes 323 00:24:45,116 --> 00:24:46,327 Darbyshire tape one 324 00:24:48,204 --> 00:24:49,284 Oh yes 325 00:24:50,482 --> 00:24:51,497 He was the man. 326 00:24:52,930 --> 00:24:54,519 But I do not recall 327 00:24:54,805 --> 00:24:56,889 seeing a Darbyshire in it. 328 00:24:59,575 --> 00:25:00,836 He is not in the finished film. 329 00:25:09,786 --> 00:25:14,630 So, a big mystery as now evident there is Darbyshire is missing. 330 00:25:15,450 --> 00:25:17,364 -What is the story of Darbyshire? -OK so 331 00:25:17,872 --> 00:25:20,645 Just remind me did I interview him sound only 332 00:25:20,997 --> 00:25:22,091 in a pre-interview? 333 00:25:22,949 --> 00:25:24,042 or did I not? 334 00:25:24,066 --> 00:25:26,223 Was it on the phone? I mean what how did we 335 00:25:26,248 --> 00:25:27,284 We did an interview. 336 00:25:27,316 --> 00:25:28,418 You interviewed Darbyshire? 337 00:25:28,927 --> 00:25:30,181 -Not filmed. -Not filmed him? 338 00:25:30,206 --> 00:25:32,832 That's the whole point. He never agreed to be filmed. 339 00:25:33,106 --> 00:25:36,114 I do not even remember whether this was our interview 340 00:25:36,138 --> 00:25:37,481 or somebody else did it. 341 00:25:37,505 --> 00:25:38,848 But Mark may remember. 342 00:25:40,606 --> 00:25:42,559 How are you, Mark? Long time. 343 00:25:42,911 --> 00:25:46,856 I am sitting in a film cutting room with Taghi Amirani 344 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,487 and he has managed to persuade the BFI to let him 345 00:25:50,512 --> 00:25:53,340 use all the rushes from the End of Empire program 346 00:25:54,239 --> 00:25:56,739 and there is one question I can not answer at all 347 00:25:57,317 --> 00:25:59,043 which concerns Mr.Darbyshire. 348 00:26:01,739 --> 00:26:04,981 -Hello -Yeah, I have just put you on speaker phone so Taghi can hear that. 349 00:26:05,048 --> 00:26:08,282 Yeah, he had that kind of spy a fake news 350 00:26:08,307 --> 00:26:09,967 you know deniability. 351 00:26:10,088 --> 00:26:12,169 He never came up with anything concrete 352 00:26:12,481 --> 00:26:15,958 We were always after you know "he said","I said" 353 00:26:16,544 --> 00:26:20,073 uhhm nothing I said cause he was not ever going to say anything anyway. 354 00:26:20,098 --> 00:26:22,598 You know I really I can not picture him. 355 00:26:22,887 --> 00:26:24,434 I do not believe he was in the program 356 00:26:24,458 --> 00:26:26,153 But Taghi has found one 357 00:26:26,504 --> 00:26:30,879 one thing which was about the assassination of the police chief in Tehran 358 00:26:31,583 --> 00:26:33,771 -Well -He was asked point-blank 359 00:26:33,796 --> 00:26:36,862 were you involved in the assassination of the chief of police of Tehran? 360 00:26:36,887 --> 00:26:38,809 And he says point-blank Yes. 361 00:26:39,630 --> 00:26:43,419 and that is the one thing that jumps out in the transcript. 362 00:26:44,083 --> 00:26:46,325 Yeah,okay. I do not remember that 363 00:26:46,416 --> 00:26:48,289 but if he said he was, he probably was 364 00:26:48,619 --> 00:26:50,611 (Inaudible noise) 365 00:26:50,918 --> 00:26:51,973 Sorry! 366 00:26:53,692 --> 00:26:54,708 We are losing you. 367 00:26:54,981 --> 00:26:56,973 oh reception is gonna (mumbles) 368 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:58,144 will have to picture it 369 00:26:58,380 --> 00:26:59,551 Yeah,she will text you. 370 00:26:59,747 --> 00:27:01,309 -Lovely fantastic ,Mark. -Okay. 371 00:27:01,348 --> 00:27:03,497 -we will say goodbye.Thank you very much. -Okay. 372 00:27:03,575 --> 00:27:05,957 -Bye. -Thank you so much. 373 00:27:08,848 --> 00:27:09,864 Thank you ,Alison. 374 00:27:10,022 --> 00:27:12,353 Was there ever a version of the film with Darbyshire in it? 375 00:27:13,613 --> 00:27:14,668 I do not remember that. 376 00:27:15,138 --> 00:27:17,013 Is he remembering wrong? 377 00:27:18,106 --> 00:27:21,324 -We will have to check cause I can not remember that happening -yeah,right. 378 00:27:21,348 --> 00:27:22,794 I do not think we ever filmed him 379 00:27:22,989 --> 00:27:25,087 and you had not seen any rushes in there either. 380 00:27:25,153 --> 00:27:27,911 No, but believe in hope of finding something. 381 00:27:28,497 --> 00:27:29,903 -You never know. -You never know. 382 00:27:30,585 --> 00:27:31,822 -Thank you so much. -Thank you. 383 00:27:36,973 --> 00:27:38,145 Hi, is that Humphery? 384 00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:40,950 Hi, this is Taghi Amirani 385 00:27:40,975 --> 00:27:44,201 you have been speaking to my colleague Evelyn about our documentary 386 00:27:47,989 --> 00:27:50,674 Yes, Alison came in and we spoke to her 387 00:27:50,699 --> 00:27:53,067 and then she also managed to get him on the phone 388 00:27:53,380 --> 00:27:56,427 and his memory of Darbyshire was hazy. 389 00:27:56,778 --> 00:27:59,349 but I figured the one person whose memory will not be hazy 390 00:27:59,374 --> 00:28:01,817 because he is a camera man looking through the view finder. 391 00:28:02,090 --> 00:28:03,223 is Humphery. 392 00:28:06,387 --> 00:28:07,715 Do you remember the location? 393 00:28:09,005 --> 00:28:10,098 Out of all the interviewees 394 00:28:10,123 --> 00:28:12,129 that you have filmed.Darbyshire 395 00:28:12,230 --> 00:28:15,321 he is the most outspoken and open and blunt about everything. 396 00:28:15,345 --> 00:28:16,348 He does not hold back. 397 00:28:24,317 --> 00:28:26,622 -Can you do a little old school hand clap for me? -okay. 398 00:28:27,792 --> 00:28:29,356 Excellent !Right. 399 00:28:32,130 --> 00:28:35,879 Did you know that your Sam Falle interview was the very first interview he did? 400 00:28:36,348 --> 00:28:37,480 One take one 401 00:28:38,848 --> 00:28:40,880 Probably, right because I can remember it. 402 00:28:41,036 --> 00:28:43,965 It was the first time that I met Alison who was the researcher. 403 00:28:43,990 --> 00:28:46,466 So, that is you are right. 404 00:28:46,622 --> 00:28:49,039 So, what do you remember of Darbyshire on that day? 405 00:28:49,137 --> 00:28:52,638 Because clearly from what you said and from his transcript 406 00:28:52,923 --> 00:28:54,199 He was very open. 407 00:28:54,330 --> 00:28:55,788 He was very blunt. 408 00:28:56,179 --> 00:28:57,481 He was memorable. 409 00:28:58,523 --> 00:29:01,882 I got the impression that he was somebody who felt 410 00:29:03,235 --> 00:29:07,324 that there were things to be said that had not being said. 411 00:29:07,950 --> 00:29:11,101 I got the feeling that he was somebody who 412 00:29:14,434 --> 00:29:16,179 had had time to reflect 413 00:29:17,013 --> 00:29:18,028 and felt that 414 00:29:19,591 --> 00:29:22,313 there was not any reason to hide these things 415 00:29:22,337 --> 00:29:24,513 it probably was important in the public interest. 416 00:29:25,605 --> 00:29:27,886 I am sure Mossadegh's grandson Matine Daftari 417 00:29:27,925 --> 00:29:30,203 has told me on more than one occasion that 418 00:29:30,736 --> 00:29:34,408 there was a screening of End of Empire in Golden Square in London 419 00:29:34,565 --> 00:29:36,708 and there was an MI6 man in the audience 420 00:29:36,908 --> 00:29:40,085 who did not like himself being in it and he asked the producer to take him out 421 00:29:40,450 --> 00:29:42,013 Now, is this tape 422 00:29:42,507 --> 00:29:44,356 the program as it was transmitted? 423 00:29:44,513 --> 00:29:46,466 Which version of the End of Empire is this? 424 00:29:46,570 --> 00:29:48,914 This was the last version. 425 00:29:49,669 --> 00:29:52,117 The final version which went on the screen. 426 00:29:52,871 --> 00:29:55,163 But long before that there was a preview 427 00:29:55,632 --> 00:29:56,687 of the film 428 00:29:56,895 --> 00:29:58,653 before it went on air. 429 00:29:59,024 --> 00:30:01,328 and they invited people for corrections 430 00:30:01,622 --> 00:30:05,177 People who were invited also were us to 431 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,356 make any corrections if necessary and all that. -right. 432 00:30:09,630 --> 00:30:12,013 And Darbyshire 433 00:30:12,598 --> 00:30:15,399 asked to be taken out of the 434 00:30:15,957 --> 00:30:17,364 whole thing you know. 435 00:30:17,715 --> 00:30:21,699 Both Mark and Alison told me about it. 436 00:30:21,816 --> 00:30:22,871 told me about it 437 00:30:23,067 --> 00:30:25,802 You think Darbyshire asked to be taken out because 438 00:30:26,192 --> 00:30:30,294 Because the British government had not allowed him to do it. 439 00:30:30,762 --> 00:30:33,731 I have been Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs. 440 00:30:34,122 --> 00:30:35,958 I was in charge of MI6. 441 00:30:36,427 --> 00:30:39,552 I know the difficulties of the task of the governments of today. 442 00:30:39,708 --> 00:30:41,895 all the time when you ask me questions 443 00:30:42,324 --> 00:30:45,879 there is a little thing back in my head saying be careful 444 00:30:45,903 --> 00:30:47,051 do not cross the line. 445 00:30:47,442 --> 00:30:50,137 You can criticize, but do not make their life harder 446 00:30:50,161 --> 00:30:52,161 It is hard enough any how being foreign secretary 447 00:30:52,442 --> 00:30:54,161 and prime minister in this country. 448 00:30:54,786 --> 00:30:56,446 Our star witness. 449 00:30:56,509 --> 00:30:59,371 our star find in our research in Norman Darbyshire. 450 00:30:59,864 --> 00:31:01,993 What would possess an MI6 agent 451 00:31:02,017 --> 00:31:05,274 to reveal things which are still kept secret to this day? 452 00:31:07,500 --> 00:31:08,516 -Darbyshire? -Yeah. 453 00:31:08,711 --> 00:31:11,616 I do not know. I have not consciously met him 454 00:31:11,641 --> 00:31:13,282 but I may have done in the past. 455 00:31:13,614 --> 00:31:16,739 But I can imagine that he believes 456 00:31:17,091 --> 00:31:19,591 like I believe that 457 00:31:21,368 --> 00:31:25,235 the best thing to deal with this constant suspicion of Britain 458 00:31:25,279 --> 00:31:26,465 is to be more open. 459 00:31:27,052 --> 00:31:28,942 Reading Darbyshire's interview 460 00:31:28,967 --> 00:31:32,403 you get a sense that he is tying to restore credit where credit is due. 461 00:31:32,427 --> 00:31:36,153 He is a bit pissed off that the Americans walked away with the credit for the coup. 462 00:31:36,329 --> 00:31:38,380 But that may be your explanation. 463 00:31:38,887 --> 00:31:42,637 Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher,all is vanity. 464 00:31:42,696 --> 00:31:45,508 We all like recognition for what we have done. 465 00:31:45,551 --> 00:31:49,115 And maybe that was the reason he blew their gasket. 466 00:31:49,140 --> 00:31:51,955 He was fed up with being told that this was the Americans. 467 00:31:51,997 --> 00:31:56,621 He walked into a good old British few and he wanted them to get some credit for it. 468 00:31:56,646 --> 00:31:57,931 That maybe it. I do not know. 469 00:31:57,956 --> 00:31:59,786 That is to say I do not think I know the man. 470 00:31:59,982 --> 00:32:02,990 He will be another nail in the coffin of a 471 00:32:03,537 --> 00:32:05,333 view of the Official Secrets Acts 472 00:32:05,357 --> 00:32:08,810 that you can just use it to save you from embarrassment. 473 00:32:09,357 --> 00:32:11,083 There is absolutely no reason whatever 474 00:32:11,407 --> 00:32:13,732 under the sun why that should not be published. 475 00:32:15,490 --> 00:32:17,326 Norman Darbyshire take one. 476 00:32:24,747 --> 00:32:28,146 What you are about to see here as the team sets up at the Savoy 477 00:32:28,224 --> 00:32:31,427 is the result of us not being able to find 478 00:32:31,562 --> 00:32:33,124 the Darbyshire can of film. 479 00:32:33,148 --> 00:32:38,046 We hit a brick wall. We hit a wall of silence and denial about Norman Darbyshire. 480 00:32:38,070 --> 00:32:40,624 so, we have resulted to bringing his words to life. 481 00:32:40,648 --> 00:32:42,031 Ah there it is. Okay. 482 00:32:42,383 --> 00:32:47,578 Ralph Fiennes is about to speak Darbyshire's words recorded back in 1983. 483 00:32:48,007 --> 00:32:50,859 Telling us thing the British did not want anyone to hear. 484 00:32:51,094 --> 00:32:55,000 And these are the bits that the people who made the original documentary loved 485 00:32:55,625 --> 00:32:57,695 Which is also what we love. 486 00:32:59,297 --> 00:33:00,898 Sorry, I am getting drawn into the 487 00:33:02,432 --> 00:33:04,276 Just imagine how I felt when I came across it. 488 00:33:04,300 --> 00:33:05,709 It was one late nigh in the office. 489 00:33:11,328 --> 00:33:12,695 -Good morning! -Good morning! 490 00:33:13,609 --> 00:33:16,758 -Walter correct? -Fantastic yes. 491 00:33:17,773 --> 00:33:18,789 This is Humphery. 492 00:33:18,813 --> 00:33:20,813 -HI! -I am today's cameraman. 493 00:33:21,055 --> 00:33:22,695 Good! That is alright. 494 00:33:22,836 --> 00:33:24,765 I can take it easy 495 00:33:24,789 --> 00:33:26,991 As you know filming these windows is 496 00:33:27,362 --> 00:33:30,682 -is a big challenge for the cameraman. - We had a policy for that whole series. 497 00:33:30,742 --> 00:33:33,398 -Yeah. -Cause I did about half the End of Empire. 498 00:33:33,554 --> 00:33:37,030 As far as we could, we would shoot the windows in order to 499 00:33:37,302 --> 00:33:40,466 set authenticity about the background 500 00:33:41,132 --> 00:33:43,827 Have you seen the footage of the script supervisor? 501 00:33:43,852 --> 00:33:45,522 No, she was the researcher so that 502 00:33:45,547 --> 00:33:47,430 did the producer and they suddenly get weird and 503 00:33:47,454 --> 00:33:49,337 they do not remember him and they all go vague. 504 00:33:50,038 --> 00:33:52,812 Well, I was surprised that they did not 505 00:33:52,837 --> 00:33:55,366 it is incendiary what he is saying and even then you would have 506 00:33:55,391 --> 00:33:58,554 Well, I was surprised because I have a memory 507 00:33:58,617 --> 00:34:01,562 of being a little bit astonished at what he was saying. 508 00:34:01,721 --> 00:34:05,995 He was straight up and down saying the stuff and it was quite 509 00:34:06,679 --> 00:34:07,734 quite amazing. 510 00:34:07,929 --> 00:34:09,023 -Everybody good? -Yep. 511 00:34:10,820 --> 00:34:13,476 Everyone back in your positions, please. 512 00:34:15,273 --> 00:34:16,284 that looks 513 00:34:16,308 --> 00:34:18,308 -Looks good. -Yeah. 514 00:34:19,568 --> 00:34:21,248 We are making good..making good time. 515 00:34:23,515 --> 00:34:24,530 That is very good. 516 00:34:26,523 --> 00:34:28,159 Yes, you are right. Yes, great. 517 00:34:36,991 --> 00:34:38,006 Right, okay 518 00:34:38,031 --> 00:34:41,370 so, Mr.Darbyshire is about to tell us the story of the coup 519 00:34:41,394 --> 00:34:42,813 like it has never been told before. 520 00:34:44,023 --> 00:34:46,016 Right Everyone good? Okay. 521 00:34:49,844 --> 00:34:51,601 When did you first go out to Iran? 522 00:34:52,344 --> 00:34:58,672 I went out in 43-47 period. First of all, as an army officer in SOE 523 00:34:59,336 --> 00:35:03,163 and I was there from the end of 43 to the middle of 47 524 00:35:03,187 --> 00:35:07,031 from late 49 to 52 when Mossadegh threw us out and 525 00:35:07,733 --> 00:35:09,100 broke off relations. 526 00:35:11,264 --> 00:35:14,253 You got this incredible first-hand witness 527 00:35:14,936 --> 00:35:16,977 -Alright -Not just any witness he is a.. 528 00:35:17,002 --> 00:35:18,432 How did it come to this? 529 00:35:18,666 --> 00:35:19,701 Exactly, it's like 530 00:35:19,819 --> 00:35:23,084 how do we get to having to kill the chief of police of Tehran 531 00:35:23,108 --> 00:35:24,467 in order to get the coup going? 532 00:35:25,346 --> 00:35:28,862 A member of the British government is saying in black and white 533 00:35:29,154 --> 00:35:32,651 that he was involved in the assassination of the chief of police 534 00:35:33,510 --> 00:35:36,538 and he is running the coup so, he is not just anybody. 535 00:35:36,562 --> 00:35:37,943 So, this is amazing! 536 00:35:38,045 --> 00:35:41,869 The actual running of the coup from our side was my responsibility. 537 00:35:44,936 --> 00:35:46,303 Uhh let me 538 00:35:46,811 --> 00:35:49,936 hmm let me take you back a little because it may be of interest to talk about 539 00:35:50,874 --> 00:35:52,104 nationalization. 540 00:35:56,166 --> 00:36:00,229 The Persians were bitterly resentful of the way they were being treated by the British. 541 00:36:00,951 --> 00:36:03,923 Because the oil company was run by ex-patriots 542 00:36:03,947 --> 00:36:06,674 who called anyone east of Calais a wog. 543 00:36:07,377 --> 00:36:09,936 And to them the Iranians were wogs. 544 00:36:10,993 --> 00:36:14,015 Did you get the impression that members of the Anglo-Iranian 545 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,051 British members looked down on their Persian counterparts 546 00:36:17,075 --> 00:36:18,586 and indeed on Persians generally? 547 00:36:20,629 --> 00:36:23,554 I think the Iranian answer to that where I an Iranian 548 00:36:23,593 --> 00:36:27,348 would be that the trouble was that they did not even bother to look down on us. 549 00:36:28,129 --> 00:36:31,983 The impression was rather one of just taking them very much for granted. 550 00:36:32,890 --> 00:36:36,370 uhm but not really regarding them as subjects of 551 00:36:36,394 --> 00:36:40,312 even sufficient interest to be treated as wogs. 552 00:36:50,911 --> 00:36:54,218 At Abadan, you had a classic colonial enclave 553 00:36:54,817 --> 00:36:57,828 All the British workers were well-dressed, 554 00:36:57,852 --> 00:37:01,436 had nice homes with the classic little lawns, and the rose bushes. 555 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,807 There were swimming pools, and movie theaters; 556 00:37:03,831 --> 00:37:06,086 pooling alleys, and athletic fields. 557 00:37:06,745 --> 00:37:09,271 And side by side with the giant refinery 558 00:37:09,739 --> 00:37:11,290 schools and colleges 559 00:37:11,314 --> 00:37:14,088 hospitals and clumps and clinics 560 00:37:15,026 --> 00:37:17,838 all the amenities of a city of today for work 561 00:37:18,333 --> 00:37:19,400 and living 562 00:37:19,583 --> 00:37:20,599 and leisure. 563 00:37:33,692 --> 00:37:34,810 So, of course the Persians 564 00:37:35,540 --> 00:37:39,758 had the feeling that they were being screwed and rightly so because uhm well 565 00:37:40,469 --> 00:37:42,448 from 1920 onwards I would say yes. 566 00:37:44,896 --> 00:37:47,161 When oil was discovered in Iran, 567 00:37:47,422 --> 00:37:48,880 Churchill described it as 568 00:37:49,192 --> 00:37:54,114 "A prize from fairyland beyond our wildest dreams." 569 00:37:54,173 --> 00:37:57,630 Thanks to Winston Churchill the first lord of the admiralty 570 00:37:58,020 --> 00:38:02,812 he changed the British fleet from coal-burning to petroleum-based 571 00:38:02,836 --> 00:38:06,666 and this was a life changing moment for uh for the world. 572 00:38:06,690 --> 00:38:10,103 Because it made petroleum as important as it is today. 573 00:38:10,573 --> 00:38:12,370 Under the original agreement 574 00:38:13,073 --> 00:38:17,943 only about 16% of the oil revenue was supposed to be given to Iran 575 00:38:18,359 --> 00:38:21,901 but that 16% was gonna be calculated by the British. 576 00:38:22,291 --> 00:38:24,922 And no Iranian would be allowed to look at the books. 577 00:38:25,755 --> 00:38:27,187 We now know also that 578 00:38:27,343 --> 00:38:31,745 the amount was calculated after the oil company paid its taxes. 579 00:38:32,291 --> 00:38:34,988 Now the oil company was owned by the British government 580 00:38:35,013 --> 00:38:38,177 so, when it was paying taxes, it was essentially paying taxes to itself. 581 00:38:38,201 --> 00:38:39,924 We were not handing over files. 582 00:38:40,419 --> 00:38:43,087 We were not handing over accounts which they asked us for. 583 00:38:43,111 --> 00:38:44,872 I said I had no authority to hand them. 584 00:38:45,289 --> 00:38:48,206 British company is accountless, I was told from London 585 00:39:04,690 --> 00:39:06,487 So, it was a lot of creative accounting 586 00:39:06,745 --> 00:39:09,782 but in the end it was clear that almost all of the money 587 00:39:09,807 --> 00:39:12,159 from this tremendous resource was going into Britain 588 00:39:12,183 --> 00:39:14,229 and almost none was coming back to Iran. 589 00:39:14,377 --> 00:39:17,283 Well, it became very obvious that something was going to happen in Abadan 590 00:39:17,307 --> 00:39:19,690 and it was nationalization. 591 00:39:22,059 --> 00:39:24,361 Long-smoldering Iranian nationalists 592 00:39:24,385 --> 00:39:27,268 made clear their intention to seize the oil industry 593 00:39:27,658 --> 00:39:29,846 and expropriate the British company. 594 00:39:29,947 --> 00:39:32,919 Focal point of Iranian unrest, however, is the government 595 00:39:33,258 --> 00:39:36,200 headed by seventy-year-old premier Mohamed Mossadegh 596 00:39:36,353 --> 00:39:39,143 whose single purpose is oil nationalization. 597 00:40:05,237 --> 00:40:07,659 He was a marvelous politician 598 00:40:07,997 --> 00:40:10,810 and at that time he had all the people with him. 599 00:40:10,991 --> 00:40:14,898 He had clobbered the imperialist. He had nationalized the oil company. 600 00:40:15,054 --> 00:40:18,387 Iran was a country again. It was great stuff. It was very moving. 601 00:40:18,751 --> 00:40:24,542 When the flag of the oil company goes down and the Iranian flag goes up 602 00:40:24,639 --> 00:40:30,106 this was seen both in England and Iran as declaration of independence. 603 00:40:30,182 --> 00:40:33,283 Every single heart in Iran throbbed 604 00:40:34,169 --> 00:40:36,409 uhh a few beats faster 605 00:40:36,721 --> 00:40:39,039 at the pleasure of seeing this 606 00:40:39,063 --> 00:40:42,215 what they saw as a smack in the face to the British. 607 00:40:42,815 --> 00:40:45,679 and I said that if we do not do anything about this 608 00:40:46,148 --> 00:40:50,237 within five years we shall lose the Suez Canal on the same principle. 609 00:40:50,373 --> 00:40:54,019 which in fact proved to be exactly right almost to the day. 610 00:40:59,143 --> 00:41:01,412 The sixteenth independent parachute brigade 611 00:41:01,436 --> 00:41:04,143 stands by to proceed to a foreign destination. 612 00:41:05,028 --> 00:41:07,737 In occupation of the first battalion parachute regiment 613 00:41:08,153 --> 00:41:11,449 strengthen rumors that the airborne sharp shooters might be sent to Persia 614 00:41:11,616 --> 00:41:15,862 to protect British nationals employed there by the Anglo-Iranian oil company. 615 00:41:16,397 --> 00:41:20,185 We had a date to see Winston that night at about half past eleven. 616 00:41:20,367 --> 00:41:22,320 uhhh he said Drake 617 00:41:23,570 --> 00:41:25,965 I think he had had a good dinner 618 00:41:26,956 --> 00:41:30,028 and he said "Have you got a pistol ,Drake?" 619 00:41:31,174 --> 00:41:32,294 I said no, Sir. 620 00:41:32,476 --> 00:41:35,080 we are under martial law in Abadan. 621 00:41:35,810 --> 00:41:38,429 "Pity", he said "You can finish a man with a pistol." 622 00:41:38,778 --> 00:41:42,528 And HMS Mauritius standing by in the Shatt al-Arab river. 623 00:41:42,553 --> 00:41:45,653 Such pictures tell the story of the oil crisis pretty clearly. 624 00:41:46,876 --> 00:41:51,095 We had the cruiser out there and she had her guns open range across the refinery. 625 00:41:51,980 --> 00:41:56,069 And the problem arose were we or were we not going to take Abadan. 626 00:41:59,714 --> 00:42:03,491 Two members of the delegation going up to Persia for talks on the oil crisis 627 00:42:03,672 --> 00:42:07,371 Mr. Jackson and Mr. Elkington are seen about to leave London airport. 628 00:42:15,340 --> 00:42:18,140 Were the negotiations face saving for the British? 629 00:42:18,202 --> 00:42:20,573 Yes, they had to go through the motions. 630 00:42:21,326 --> 00:42:25,365 They wanted to oust Mossadegh regardless of whether he signed a favorable agreement. 631 00:42:25,404 --> 00:42:28,673 Our policy was to get rid off Mossadegh as soon as possible. 632 00:42:28,855 --> 00:42:31,433 We did not think he would do any good to Iran. 633 00:42:31,538 --> 00:42:34,975 We thought when Mossadegh came in that it would be relatively easy to 634 00:42:35,574 --> 00:42:36,590 to get rid off him. 635 00:42:40,645 --> 00:42:43,793 Back to report the failure of his efforts to solve the oil crisis 636 00:42:43,817 --> 00:42:45,254 comes Mr. Richard Stokes. 637 00:42:45,496 --> 00:42:48,647 And just as soon as this obstacle in the way of providing adequate conditions 638 00:42:48,829 --> 00:42:50,053 The talks collapsed 639 00:42:50,313 --> 00:42:52,345 and the British evacuated Abadan 640 00:42:52,605 --> 00:42:54,454 expecting the refinery to shut down. 641 00:42:54,478 --> 00:42:56,837 Abadan, where the last group of British oil experts 642 00:42:56,861 --> 00:42:59,591 pass through the customs on route for Iraq and home. 643 00:43:37,215 --> 00:43:41,797 Right after the last moment Mossadegh did not want the British employees to leave. 644 00:43:41,976 --> 00:43:44,844 They would receive the same treatment if not better 645 00:43:44,893 --> 00:43:46,719 as far as salaries of a concern. 646 00:43:46,743 --> 00:43:51,225 And he kept on saying to the British let us keep your employees as our employees. 647 00:43:51,250 --> 00:43:52,501 They said no. 648 00:43:52,579 --> 00:43:54,845 Many leaving a lifetime of service behind them 649 00:43:54,961 --> 00:43:58,165 as they see the liquidation of fifty years magnificent achievement 650 00:43:58,334 --> 00:43:59,975 in the reputable soil of Persia 651 00:44:03,062 --> 00:44:06,578 The return of the refinery's general manager Mr. Russ made headline news. 652 00:44:51,396 --> 00:44:54,808 In the two years following the evacuation of Abadan 653 00:44:54,938 --> 00:44:58,870 the British tried everything they could to destabilize the Mossadegh government. 654 00:44:59,641 --> 00:45:01,660 The refinery itself was sabotaged 655 00:45:01,684 --> 00:45:04,729 to prevent Iranian engineers from operating the machinery. 656 00:45:04,964 --> 00:45:06,786 There was no question of violent resistance 657 00:45:06,810 --> 00:45:10,563 but it is extraordinary how pieces of the plant would go wrong 658 00:45:11,136 --> 00:45:13,844 just when they were supposed to be doing something else, you know? 659 00:45:14,417 --> 00:45:16,969 The British took their case to the United Nations 660 00:45:16,993 --> 00:45:18,948 The Iranian oil dispute comes to New York. 661 00:45:19,176 --> 00:45:21,137 As Persia's prime minister Dr. Mossadegh 662 00:45:21,161 --> 00:45:23,863 arrives by air to put forward his country's case. 663 00:45:24,078 --> 00:45:26,162 and the international court at the Hague. 664 00:45:26,657 --> 00:45:31,839 The present actions and threats of the Iranian government 665 00:45:32,438 --> 00:45:37,360 may render it impossible to execute a judgment 666 00:45:37,776 --> 00:45:40,719 in favor of the United Kingdom. 667 00:45:42,099 --> 00:45:44,573 Both judgments went in favor of Iran. 668 00:46:00,855 --> 00:46:03,537 He had a great impact on America 669 00:46:03,668 --> 00:46:06,836 Because do not forget that the Americans 670 00:46:06,860 --> 00:46:10,855 most of the Americans like to talk to a man who has charisma. 671 00:46:11,350 --> 00:46:12,990 And Mossadegh had that Charisma. 672 00:46:13,798 --> 00:46:15,959 He had his own convictions 673 00:46:16,428 --> 00:46:18,693 yet in politics, he was an actor. 674 00:46:20,467 --> 00:46:23,095 Truman and Mossadegh had a good personal relationship. 675 00:46:23,850 --> 00:46:25,764 Truman had told the British 676 00:46:25,788 --> 00:46:29,006 that Iran had sovereign rights that deserve to be respected 677 00:46:29,345 --> 00:46:33,537 and that the United states had offered millions and millions of dollars in aid. 678 00:46:46,298 --> 00:46:48,978 Churchill was reelected as a tough warrior 679 00:46:49,002 --> 00:46:52,001 who would sort out Iran the way he had sorted out the Nazis. 680 00:46:52,131 --> 00:46:57,027 Never shall we lose our faith and courage 681 00:46:57,339 --> 00:47:00,855 and never shall we fail in exertion in result. 682 00:47:02,469 --> 00:47:04,472 A global blockade was enforced 683 00:47:04,496 --> 00:47:07,522 to prevent Iran from selling its oil on the world market. 684 00:47:07,678 --> 00:47:10,935 The embargo was always an important part of our uhm 685 00:47:11,638 --> 00:47:16,194 maneuvers to bring Mossadegh to reason and assessable settlement. 686 00:47:16,844 --> 00:47:21,063 The Persians think that by nationalizing oil they are going to get rich. 687 00:47:22,313 --> 00:47:25,048 unfortunately, the reverse will be the case. 688 00:47:25,238 --> 00:47:26,350 and uhm 689 00:47:26,558 --> 00:47:28,303 as the economic situation worsened, 690 00:47:28,327 --> 00:47:29,995 the better it was for us. 691 00:47:30,385 --> 00:47:33,823 The longer our policy of denying him 692 00:47:34,293 --> 00:47:36,454 his success continued 693 00:47:36,793 --> 00:47:39,162 the more the Persian people would be disillusioned 694 00:47:39,186 --> 00:47:40,985 and the more the would disillusion with him 695 00:47:41,139 --> 00:47:43,875 like many governments the more chance there was of his disappearance. 696 00:47:44,455 --> 00:47:47,458 Are you saying that there was no possibility of him selling this oil 697 00:47:47,483 --> 00:47:50,569 across the counter because you had sewn up the outlets? 698 00:47:51,193 --> 00:47:55,100 We put advertisements in most of the newspapers of the world 699 00:47:55,124 --> 00:47:58,094 saying that who bought Persian oil bought a lawsuit. 700 00:47:58,589 --> 00:47:59,970 Not a very democratic thing to do 701 00:48:02,157 --> 00:48:04,422 I think when you are attacked, you defend yourself. 702 00:48:04,709 --> 00:48:07,209 You do not think of democracy and those terms. 703 00:48:08,980 --> 00:48:12,834 To cap it off Time Magazine named Mossadegh man of the year 704 00:48:13,355 --> 00:48:15,308 beating out Churchill and Eisenhower 705 00:48:15,489 --> 00:48:17,312 who were also up for consideration. 706 00:48:17,495 --> 00:48:19,526 It is a double-edged article. 707 00:48:19,891 --> 00:48:23,694 He is described as actually the crazy man in the mountain. 708 00:48:24,500 --> 00:48:27,805 They even call him the British man in Iran and stuff 709 00:48:27,829 --> 00:48:29,457 which is completely false anyway. 710 00:48:39,526 --> 00:48:43,018 Our research has found a reference to the End of Empire TV program 711 00:48:43,057 --> 00:48:46,219 printed in The Observer newspaper in May 1985. 712 00:48:47,157 --> 00:48:50,750 So, I am just going through this page by page to see what we find. 713 00:48:52,209 --> 00:48:55,559 But it is a weird journey down the time tunnel seeing 714 00:48:55,583 --> 00:48:56,586 wooo 715 00:48:59,812 --> 00:49:00,853 Found it. 716 00:49:00,978 --> 00:49:04,728 How MI6 and CIA joined forces to plot Iran coup 717 00:49:05,022 --> 00:49:08,798 Nigel Hawkes reveals the true story of 1953 'Operation Boot.' 718 00:49:09,422 --> 00:49:12,287 Evidence provided by a former MI6 man 719 00:49:12,337 --> 00:49:16,870 has clarified many of the murkier corners of the coup which ousted Mossadegh. 720 00:49:16,894 --> 00:49:19,352 From a series of interviews carried out by Granada Television 721 00:49:19,376 --> 00:49:20,933 for its End of Empire series. 722 00:49:21,008 --> 00:49:24,929 The program will broadcast on channel four tomorrow evening. 723 00:49:25,022 --> 00:49:28,668 -Read this! You will love every word of this article -Unbelievable! 724 00:49:28,902 --> 00:49:32,678 An article not a TV preview. A journalist who has seen the program. 725 00:49:33,043 --> 00:49:35,647 The purpose was to boost the morale of the opposition. 726 00:49:35,829 --> 00:49:39,269 He makes it clear, for example, that it was agents acting for the British 727 00:49:39,293 --> 00:49:42,726 who kidnapped Mossadegh's police chief and then shot him dead. 728 00:49:42,990 --> 00:49:44,822 Nigel Hawkes is he still around? 729 00:49:44,861 --> 00:49:46,599 Yeah,he is alive. we are trying to find him. 730 00:49:46,636 --> 00:49:48,120 -Oh good. -Hello Nigel Hawkes. 731 00:49:48,433 --> 00:49:52,131 Nigel hi good afternoon. It is Taghi Amirani here. 732 00:49:52,443 --> 00:49:55,386 We had an email exchange a couple of weeks ago. 733 00:49:58,615 --> 00:50:00,569 One of the key questions for me is 734 00:50:00,699 --> 00:50:04,944 did you write that article based on seeing a preview of the film? 735 00:50:10,968 --> 00:50:11,978 Well, here is the thing 736 00:50:12,003 --> 00:50:16,037 we got hold of a copy of the film given to us by ITV. 737 00:50:16,402 --> 00:50:20,178 And everything you talk about this man in your article 738 00:50:20,541 --> 00:50:22,599 is not in the film nor is he. 739 00:50:24,631 --> 00:50:26,610 -Well, that is curious, isn't it? -Yep. 740 00:50:29,084 --> 00:50:31,141 -That is very curious. -Yep. 741 00:50:32,365 --> 00:50:33,728 I can't explain that. 742 00:50:46,170 --> 00:50:48,200 I am on my way to see Stephen Dorril 743 00:50:49,216 --> 00:50:51,013 the writer of the book MI6. 744 00:50:51,716 --> 00:50:55,407 A solid thick heavy monster of a book. 745 00:50:57,474 --> 00:51:00,444 So, I did not think that I am going to end up in a sleepy Yorkshire village 746 00:51:00,469 --> 00:51:03,025 with Stephen Dorril the writer of the MI6 book. 747 00:51:04,275 --> 00:51:06,775 No, it is a long way from Iran 748 00:51:06,799 --> 00:51:09,411 and fortunately, was quite away from MI6. 749 00:51:09,919 --> 00:51:12,049 I found the uhm 750 00:51:12,791 --> 00:51:14,627 I found the original 751 00:51:16,973 --> 00:51:17,977 What is this? 752 00:51:18,001 --> 00:51:20,818 This is the one I received from Nigel Hawkes. 753 00:51:22,381 --> 00:51:24,900 -Nigel Hawkes sent you this transcript -Yes. 754 00:51:24,963 --> 00:51:27,986 -This is the exact transcript that we have. -Right. 755 00:51:28,455 --> 00:51:32,793 -Now we found in the basement in Paris of Mossadegh's grandson. -wow! 756 00:51:32,849 --> 00:51:35,720 What is the story of Nigel Hawkes and this transcript and you? 757 00:51:35,993 --> 00:51:38,689 Uh I have got the cover letter somewhere. 758 00:51:39,138 --> 00:51:40,154 I would love to see that. 759 00:51:43,084 --> 00:51:45,447 He was not the kind of a specialist in this area 760 00:51:45,510 --> 00:51:48,708 and he said do what you want with it basically. 761 00:51:49,470 --> 00:51:51,736 And how did Nigel Hawkes get hold of this? 762 00:51:52,243 --> 00:51:54,568 I....He did not tell me but I uhm 763 00:51:54,724 --> 00:51:56,216 I there was 764 00:51:56,240 --> 00:51:58,533 it was from the film makers themselves. 765 00:51:58,767 --> 00:52:01,072 That is the most crazy peculiar thing. 766 00:52:01,306 --> 00:52:06,348 Who leaked the Darbyshire transcript from End of Empire to Nigel Hawkes 767 00:52:06,373 --> 00:52:09,295 knowing that the program they have made does not have Darbyshire in it? 768 00:52:10,095 --> 00:52:12,205 One could speculate. I do not know. 769 00:52:12,229 --> 00:52:15,740 What ...They they obviously knew that, so 770 00:52:16,599 --> 00:52:17,634 they wanted it out. 771 00:52:18,396 --> 00:52:19,623 No journalist 772 00:52:19,647 --> 00:52:24,275 a documentary film maker is just going to throw their prime interview away. 773 00:52:24,724 --> 00:52:27,166 That could only have happened if there was an intervention. 774 00:52:27,641 --> 00:52:30,668 -Yeah. -And that is not so abnormal. 775 00:52:30,724 --> 00:52:33,493 -It happens all the time, still happens till this day. -Wow! 776 00:52:33,728 --> 00:52:35,877 But this interview is I think 777 00:52:36,325 --> 00:52:38,865 very important for number of reasons. One is 778 00:52:39,236 --> 00:52:41,990 MI6 officers do not give these kind of interviews 779 00:52:42,420 --> 00:52:44,180 about such a sensitive subject. 780 00:52:44,314 --> 00:52:46,547 So, as far as the British government is concerned 781 00:52:46,732 --> 00:52:49,392 -the coup never happened. They were not involved. -Yes 782 00:52:50,252 --> 00:52:51,482 And Darbyshire does not exist. 783 00:52:51,673 --> 00:52:52,869 Darbyshire does not exist. 784 00:52:53,806 --> 00:52:58,533 Uhm but obviously he does and he is the key person. 785 00:52:58,650 --> 00:52:59,684 -Wow! -Really. 786 00:53:00,174 --> 00:53:04,451 Uhm he was the person recruiting the people at the highest levels. 787 00:53:04,627 --> 00:53:06,443 On the ground, he knew 788 00:53:07,166 --> 00:53:10,408 key people close the the Shah 789 00:53:11,131 --> 00:53:13,924 and he was probably the main 790 00:53:14,099 --> 00:53:15,135 organizer. 791 00:53:15,159 --> 00:53:16,579 What was your brief? 792 00:53:16,970 --> 00:53:18,970 mmm brief was... 793 00:53:18,995 --> 00:53:21,782 brief was very simple: go out, do not inform the ambassador 794 00:53:22,042 --> 00:53:25,495 use the intelligence services to provide you with any money you might need and 795 00:53:25,974 --> 00:53:28,969 secure the overthrow of Mossadegh by legal or 796 00:53:29,099 --> 00:53:30,323 quasi-legal means. 797 00:53:30,532 --> 00:53:34,178 Members of parliament were bribed with huge amounts of cash. 798 00:53:34,256 --> 00:53:36,183 vast sums of money were being spent 799 00:53:36,207 --> 00:53:37,901 and we were doing it our way bis.. 800 00:53:38,240 --> 00:53:40,299 uhhh biscuit tins With damn great notes. 801 00:53:40,324 --> 00:53:42,590 Well over a million and a half pounds. 802 00:53:48,554 --> 00:53:50,221 My research has brought me to Berlin 803 00:53:50,611 --> 00:53:52,344 to meet a retired naval commander 804 00:53:52,368 --> 00:53:56,575 who has spent 30 years interviewing Iranian exiles involved in the coup. 805 00:54:02,278 --> 00:54:04,466 I am here hoping he will let me see his footage. 806 00:55:06,705 --> 00:55:07,955 And here they are. 807 00:55:10,116 --> 00:55:13,528 -1.5 Terabytes. -Wow! 808 00:55:15,976 --> 00:55:18,059 WD Elements 809 00:55:22,851 --> 00:55:24,752 Dr Ahmadi's private collection. 810 00:55:26,757 --> 00:55:29,622 Incredible archive of interviews of people long dead. 811 00:55:29,986 --> 00:55:31,627 Never seen before. 812 00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:36,288 These are the real lefty intellectuals of 1950s Iran. 813 00:55:36,312 --> 00:55:39,335 Writers, actors, poets, 814 00:55:39,385 --> 00:55:41,627 journalists, medical students, 815 00:55:42,173 --> 00:55:45,091 activists, Tudeh members 816 00:55:45,453 --> 00:55:49,621 Tudeh, the communist party was the first and only real political party 817 00:55:50,299 --> 00:55:54,466 in Iran in the sense that it had members and it had a coherent ideology. 818 00:55:54,699 --> 00:55:59,153 It had a small group of people who were educated and committed. 819 00:55:59,465 --> 00:56:03,085 They had some following and small numbers in the military as well. 820 00:56:03,527 --> 00:56:05,454 But it did not have a mass base. 821 00:56:05,479 --> 00:56:10,143 And Mossadegh tolerated it because in his view of democracy 822 00:56:10,637 --> 00:56:13,997 Iranian had a right to organize themselves in any kind of political party 823 00:56:14,126 --> 00:56:16,808 but the fact that a communist party existed 824 00:56:17,148 --> 00:56:20,533 was already seen in some eyes 825 00:56:20,767 --> 00:56:24,648 as a symbol that Mossadegh must secretly sympathized with it. 826 00:56:24,830 --> 00:56:27,799 Which was actually nonsense because Mossadegh 827 00:56:28,215 --> 00:56:31,627 was an elderly feudal landlord 828 00:56:31,757 --> 00:56:36,887 who despised all communist, Marxist, and socialist ideas. 829 00:56:38,788 --> 00:56:40,678 In July 1952, 830 00:56:40,702 --> 00:56:44,752 a power struggle between the Shah and Mossadegh reached a crisis point 831 00:56:45,011 --> 00:56:46,886 over who should control the military. 832 00:56:54,205 --> 00:56:57,955 Giving the British the opportunity to install a puppet prime minister. 833 00:57:08,710 --> 00:57:11,445 When Qavam was called in as prime minister, 834 00:57:11,575 --> 00:57:14,443 we naturally had high hopes that 835 00:57:14,467 --> 00:57:17,772 what we had all wanted to see happen had come about. 836 00:57:17,796 --> 00:57:20,350 This was opposed not only by Mossadegh supporters 837 00:57:24,647 --> 00:57:27,643 but by Tudeh the communist party in Iran. 838 00:57:28,893 --> 00:57:31,849 Tudeh members joined forces with Mossadegh supporters 839 00:57:31,873 --> 00:57:34,361 and nationwide protests broke out. 840 00:57:36,757 --> 00:57:39,153 Troops loyal to the Shah fired on the crowd 841 00:57:39,986 --> 00:57:41,783 and 67 people were killed. 842 00:58:12,408 --> 00:58:13,542 Five days later 843 00:58:13,566 --> 00:58:16,627 Mossadegh returned to power as prime minister. 844 00:59:28,788 --> 00:59:32,486 Telegram from the department of State to the embassy in the United Kingdom. 845 00:59:33,033 --> 00:59:37,304 Washington July 26, 1952, 6:07 PM. 846 00:59:38,658 --> 00:59:40,950 As a result of the events of the last week 847 00:59:41,341 --> 00:59:46,262 it appears to us that Mossadegh is clearly in a stronger position vis-à-vis the Shah 848 00:59:46,627 --> 00:59:48,580 , the Majlis and the public now 849 00:59:48,944 --> 00:59:52,434 than at any time since the nationalization of Iranian oil 850 00:59:52,772 --> 00:59:54,440 in April 1951. 851 00:59:55,533 --> 00:59:59,492 The head court decision coinciding with Mossadegh return to power 852 00:59:59,856 --> 01:00:02,330 will further strengthen his public position. 853 01:00:03,111 --> 01:00:06,627 It was a setback. I think one should probably have known that it would not work. 854 01:00:07,330 --> 01:00:09,752 But obviously it sets us back. 855 01:00:12,824 --> 01:00:14,257 All that flew off the handle. 856 01:00:16,679 --> 01:00:17,850 Uhm did not work at all. 857 01:00:19,492 --> 01:00:22,434 It was never a starter. Julian Amery failed miserably. 858 01:00:30,820 --> 01:00:33,919 We underestimated the Mossadegh position and so had the Shah. 859 01:00:34,699 --> 01:00:39,205 It appears that our worst fears as to the weakness of the Shah had been confirmed. 860 01:00:39,986 --> 01:00:41,757 In the light of this analysis 861 01:00:41,940 --> 01:00:45,637 we believe it would be a great mistake to reject Mossadegh's overture. 862 01:00:47,043 --> 01:00:48,084 Acheson 863 01:00:52,538 --> 01:00:55,299 Rejecting the advice of the Truman administration 864 01:00:55,715 --> 01:00:58,424 Britain decided it was time for a military coup. 865 01:00:59,049 --> 01:01:03,684 there come to the conclusion that we cannot get rid off him politically. 866 01:01:04,153 --> 01:01:09,075 And therefore, we need to resort to a military coup 867 01:01:09,100 --> 01:01:11,965 necessarily predicated on the use of armed force 868 01:01:12,251 --> 01:01:14,699 led by general Fazlollah Zahedi. 869 01:01:15,090 --> 01:01:16,786 It had to be somebody loyal to the Shah 870 01:01:16,810 --> 01:01:19,231 who commanded a certain respect amongst his fellow officers. 871 01:01:19,361 --> 01:01:22,825 And they look around and Zahedi becomes the obvious one. 872 01:01:24,413 --> 01:01:26,679 Zahedi was a cashiered officer. 873 01:01:26,835 --> 01:01:28,516 He had had a long history. 874 01:01:28,540 --> 01:01:30,511 He had actually been imprisoned by the allies 875 01:01:30,535 --> 01:01:33,502 as a Nazi sympathizer during the second world war 876 01:01:33,632 --> 01:01:36,419 but he was known as anti-Mossadegh. 877 01:01:36,861 --> 01:01:40,872 And he was also known to have many contacts in the officer core. 878 01:01:41,444 --> 01:01:45,143 Okay, interview with Ardeshir Zahedi general Zahedi's son. 879 01:01:59,283 --> 01:02:01,444 Still very much in the royalist camp, 880 01:02:01,627 --> 01:02:04,023 Ardeshir Zahedi's loyalty to the Shah 881 01:02:04,100 --> 01:02:06,809 was rewarded by the highest officers of the State 882 01:02:07,252 --> 01:02:09,882 including the post of ambassador to the US. 883 01:02:09,933 --> 01:02:11,553 -I think we put that one down -Which one? 884 01:02:11,602 --> 01:02:13,776 You want to go half? there is both on that they can be 885 01:02:13,893 --> 01:02:16,042 He fled Iran after the revolution 886 01:02:16,066 --> 01:02:19,049 and has been living in exile for forty years in Switzerland. 887 01:02:19,131 --> 01:02:21,184 -You see, That’s too light too dark for me -No, I... 888 01:02:21,208 --> 01:02:23,684 Ardeshir is one of the last remaining coup plotters. 889 01:02:42,226 --> 01:02:43,736 Can I now talk about general Zahedi? 890 01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,340 He was described by your own ambassador 891 01:02:46,496 --> 01:02:49,777 as being very implausible and completely untrustworthy. 892 01:02:50,324 --> 01:02:52,304 One of the worst speculators in the country 893 01:02:52,642 --> 01:02:56,340 who had an illustrated register of prostitute and was a known German agent. 894 01:02:57,460 --> 01:03:01,080 Why was he considered a suitable candidate for replacing Mossadegh? 895 01:03:02,251 --> 01:03:05,808 Probably, just for the qualities of being described by two of my colleagues. 896 01:03:05,835 --> 01:03:06,876 I do not know. 897 01:03:06,965 --> 01:03:08,841 But Mossadegh figured out what was happening 898 01:03:08,970 --> 01:03:10,846 and he did the only thing he could have done. 899 01:03:11,679 --> 01:03:13,163 He closed the British embassy. 900 01:03:13,293 --> 01:03:15,065 He expelled all British diplomats. 901 01:03:15,350 --> 01:03:18,007 Among those diplomats were all the secret agents 902 01:03:18,047 --> 01:03:20,495 that were handing out the money and were organizing the coup. 903 01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:24,127 When Mossadegh broke off relations and we all left and 904 01:03:24,777 --> 01:03:29,569 drove across Iraq, I took over running the Persian station in exile from Cyprus. 905 01:03:29,674 --> 01:03:33,397 This is when the British really began to panic 906 01:03:34,048 --> 01:03:36,574 because they had no assets left in Iran. 907 01:03:37,017 --> 01:03:38,036 uhh there it is. Okay. 908 01:03:38,060 --> 01:03:40,481 Could the British not have launched that coup by themselves? 909 01:03:40,845 --> 01:03:43,059 Unfortunately, the head of MI6 at the time 910 01:03:43,268 --> 01:03:45,953 General Sinclair knew about as much of the middle east as a 911 01:03:45,977 --> 01:03:47,434 as a 10-year-old 912 01:03:49,013 --> 01:03:50,872 and was far more interested in cricket anyway. 913 01:03:51,095 --> 01:03:53,424 How did you communicate with general Zahedi from that long? 914 01:03:54,439 --> 01:03:56,549 Uhh I was in basically through his son. 915 01:04:18,736 --> 01:04:21,965 We had a first meeting with the Americans inviting their cooperation 916 01:04:21,989 --> 01:04:24,595 but after much discussion that was turned down. 917 01:04:24,648 --> 01:04:27,200 The Truman people said we are not interested. 918 01:04:27,224 --> 01:04:28,854 We are going to continue the way we are. 919 01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:30,923 They disagreed with the idea in the first place. 920 01:04:31,470 --> 01:04:34,257 Well, we do not know how you get rid of prime ministers 921 01:04:34,908 --> 01:04:37,356 President Truman would not have done what 922 01:04:37,617 --> 01:04:38,893 those nations 923 01:04:39,283 --> 01:04:42,044 including our own perhaps have attempted to do 924 01:04:42,590 --> 01:04:45,559 which is to remove heads of state by 925 01:04:46,158 --> 01:04:48,033 so called dirty tricks. 926 01:04:52,434 --> 01:04:54,387 throughout the early 1950s, 927 01:04:54,411 --> 01:04:58,345 the United States had been fighting a disastrously hot war in Korea 928 01:04:58,369 --> 01:05:01,340 seriously considering the use of the atomic bomb. 929 01:05:02,512 --> 01:05:04,283 In this overheated atmosphere 930 01:05:04,543 --> 01:05:07,460 general Dwight Eisenhower campaigned for the presidency 931 01:05:07,536 --> 01:05:09,856 on the basis that he and he alone 932 01:05:09,881 --> 01:05:13,607 could solve the ongoing crises in Korea and Iran. 933 01:05:14,882 --> 01:05:17,200 But the 1950s was a dark period 934 01:05:17,224 --> 01:05:19,673 in the United States and in the world generally. 935 01:05:19,749 --> 01:05:22,083 we had gotten through the war and that was great 936 01:05:22,590 --> 01:05:24,439 but even before the war ended 937 01:05:24,463 --> 01:05:27,970 there was a series level of concern 938 01:05:28,048 --> 01:05:30,820 among western strategists and policy makers about 939 01:05:31,236 --> 01:05:34,101 the next crisis that might develop and the next 940 01:05:34,387 --> 01:05:36,471 Nazi Germany that might rise up 941 01:05:36,495 --> 01:05:38,762 Well, the only candidate for that was the Soviet Union. 942 01:05:38,866 --> 01:05:43,398 So, the narrative was that the world was divided between two hostile camps. 943 01:05:43,502 --> 01:05:46,549 One led by the Soviet Union, one led by the United States. 944 01:05:47,096 --> 01:05:50,117 There was a tide sweeping the world 945 01:05:50,141 --> 01:05:52,907 and the communists were taking one country after another 946 01:05:52,931 --> 01:05:54,595 until they got to our borders 947 01:05:54,830 --> 01:05:57,669 and then the all possibility of life would be over. 948 01:06:04,153 --> 01:06:07,382 You had the Red Scare, you had spy scandals 949 01:06:07,407 --> 01:06:09,179 The Whittaker Chambers and Alger Hiss. 950 01:06:09,532 --> 01:06:11,887 , the Cambridge five. those all kinds of thing going on 951 01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:15,299 that made the atmosphere right 952 01:06:15,350 --> 01:06:17,955 for someone like Joseph McCarthy to step in 953 01:06:18,371 --> 01:06:21,783 and make incredible political hay out of all of this. 954 01:06:21,939 --> 01:06:24,543 even if there only one communist in the State Department 955 01:06:24,567 --> 01:06:27,173 that would still be one communist too many. 956 01:06:33,645 --> 01:06:36,848 Days after the election in November 1952 957 01:06:37,134 --> 01:06:39,322 Eisenhower appointed the Dulles brothers 958 01:06:39,791 --> 01:06:41,171 as secretary of State 959 01:06:42,265 --> 01:06:43,697 and head of the CIA. 960 01:06:45,650 --> 01:06:47,982 John Foster Dulles and Allen Dulles 961 01:06:48,006 --> 01:06:50,885 were two of the most important corporate lawyers in the United States. 962 01:06:50,909 --> 01:06:54,674 They work for this legendary firm called Sullivan & Cromwell 963 01:06:54,700 --> 01:06:57,136 which is the most powerful law firm in Wall Street. 964 01:06:57,761 --> 01:07:00,964 And really Wall Street firms of that nature 965 01:07:01,016 --> 01:07:04,234 are not simply financial institutions 966 01:07:04,287 --> 01:07:07,657 they are political institutions because what they are doing as representing 967 01:07:07,967 --> 01:07:11,603 these powerful economic and financial interests in America abroad. 968 01:07:11,628 --> 01:07:14,247 Allen Dulles brought the Shah to New York 969 01:07:14,271 --> 01:07:16,380 to address the council and foreign relations. 970 01:07:16,615 --> 01:07:19,194 It was a way of showing the American foreign policy elite 971 01:07:20,001 --> 01:07:21,381 this is our friend in Iran. 972 01:07:21,563 --> 01:07:24,975 Before coming here, I had seen and learned 973 01:07:25,339 --> 01:07:29,115 of the friendship of the United Stated for Iran. 974 01:07:30,496 --> 01:07:32,631 This friendship, the government 975 01:07:33,334 --> 01:07:34,975 and people of Iran 976 01:07:35,522 --> 01:07:40,131 reciprocate with a deep feeling and emotion. 977 01:07:40,563 --> 01:07:45,485 So, right away there is conflicts there between the Dulles brothers and this new 978 01:07:45,954 --> 01:07:49,496 force, this democratic force in Iran represented by Mossadegh. 979 01:07:49,563 --> 01:07:51,292 In fact, they were so determined 980 01:07:51,814 --> 01:07:55,772 to overthrow Mossadegh and essentially to reverse the policy of Truman 981 01:07:56,371 --> 01:07:59,887 that they did not even wait for Eisenhower to be inaugurated 982 01:08:00,225 --> 01:08:01,777 before they had their first meeting 983 01:08:01,802 --> 01:08:03,887 with British officers and started to plan the coup. 984 01:08:03,912 --> 01:08:06,776 In New York, Mr. Churchill meets John Foster Dulles 985 01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:08,506 soon to be America's secretary of State 986 01:08:08,689 --> 01:08:10,043 in the home of Bernard Baruch. 987 01:08:10,381 --> 01:08:12,651 But neither Mr. Churchill nor Mr. Eisenhower 988 01:08:12,675 --> 01:08:14,704 will make any statements on the discussions. 989 01:08:15,980 --> 01:08:18,819 It was my feeling then. It remains my feeling 990 01:08:19,339 --> 01:08:21,787 that the British understood the extent of 991 01:08:21,970 --> 01:08:26,241 of paranoia in this country concerning communism 992 01:08:26,290 --> 01:08:29,261 and that the British consciously played on that fear. 993 01:08:29,362 --> 01:08:32,542 They reframed the terms of this dispute. 994 01:08:32,566 --> 01:08:35,329 Yeah, in cold war terms just as today 995 01:08:35,719 --> 01:08:40,694 these terms are often reframed as a war on terror against terrorism 996 01:08:40,926 --> 01:08:43,818 and that of course becomes the magic term that allows anything. 997 01:08:44,027 --> 01:08:45,824 Any type of intervention. 998 01:08:46,214 --> 01:08:49,184 Were you involved in talks between MI6 and CIA? 999 01:08:50,095 --> 01:08:53,350 Yes. Washington, Cyprus, Rome, London. 1000 01:08:53,975 --> 01:08:56,632 We went there to persuade the Americans 1001 01:08:57,204 --> 01:08:59,600 that we were not going to get anywhere with Mossadegh. 1002 01:09:00,329 --> 01:09:05,564 And that his remaining in power was very dangerous to both our interests. 1003 01:09:06,527 --> 01:09:11,189 And also to tell them a little bit about the means we had at our disposal 1004 01:09:11,553 --> 01:09:15,225 for changing the government. 1005 01:09:17,298 --> 01:09:19,251 In January 1953, 1006 01:09:19,485 --> 01:09:22,048 Mossadegh appointed a new chief of police 1007 01:09:22,324 --> 01:09:24,277 more loyal to him than the previous. 1008 01:09:25,032 --> 01:09:27,897 This new chief was Afshartous. 1009 01:09:28,652 --> 01:09:32,012 Police chief Afshartous claimed to have a list of 1010 01:09:32,272 --> 01:09:36,100 Iranian officials who were conspiring with the Americans to 1011 01:09:36,543 --> 01:09:38,236 unseat Mossadegh. 1012 01:09:38,522 --> 01:09:41,387 At the beginning of April 1953 1013 01:09:41,462 --> 01:09:44,720 CIA director Allen Dulles approved one million dollars 1014 01:09:44,928 --> 01:09:48,861 for operation in Tehran aimed at bringing about the fall of Mossadegh. 1015 01:09:50,007 --> 01:09:51,911 In the early months of 53 1016 01:09:51,935 --> 01:09:54,876 we thought we had enough military units to mount something. 1017 01:10:20,788 --> 01:10:25,397 Police chief Afshartous was kidnapped and murdered in the spring of 53. 1018 01:10:25,762 --> 01:10:29,772 And this was uhh something that was later tied to 1019 01:10:29,981 --> 01:10:31,204 Fazlollah Zahedi 1020 01:10:32,012 --> 01:10:35,501 Were you involved in Afshartous assassination? 1021 01:11:07,637 --> 01:11:11,204 Were you involved in Afshartous assassination? 1022 01:11:12,558 --> 01:11:13,573 Yes. 1023 01:11:14,251 --> 01:11:17,454 But it was never the intention that Afshartous should be killed. 1024 01:11:18,965 --> 01:11:20,230 Something went wrong. 1025 01:11:20,256 --> 01:11:23,027 The claim is that he started 1026 01:11:23,731 --> 01:11:27,637 swearing at the Shah and one of the young officers lost his temper 1027 01:11:27,661 --> 01:11:29,772 and pulled out his gun and shot him. 1028 01:11:30,319 --> 01:11:32,089 Feelings ran very high 1029 01:11:32,272 --> 01:11:35,163 Afshartus made derogatory comments about the Shah and 1030 01:11:35,970 --> 01:11:38,184 the young officer pulled out a gun and shot him. 1031 01:11:38,574 --> 01:11:41,777 But his body was very badly tortured, so 1032 01:11:42,116 --> 01:11:46,387 it does not look like a spur of the moment when your body is left 1033 01:11:46,908 --> 01:11:48,835 with marks of torture. 1034 01:11:48,859 --> 01:11:51,569 Many issues of Bakhtar Emrooz. 1035 01:11:51,751 --> 01:11:53,913 Bakhtar Emrooz was uhh 1036 01:11:54,277 --> 01:11:58,262 the main newspaper of supporting the national front and the government. 1037 01:11:58,965 --> 01:12:00,475 This is Afshartous by the way. 1038 01:12:01,256 --> 01:12:02,271 Oh my god! 1039 01:12:03,965 --> 01:12:05,293 ukh ukh ooof 1040 01:12:05,447 --> 01:12:10,761 This was also I think part of the CIA, MI6 way of destabilizing the government. 1041 01:12:11,569 --> 01:12:13,079 Because not only they 1042 01:12:13,521 --> 01:12:17,349 tortured and murdered him but dumped his body quite visibly, 1043 01:12:17,374 --> 01:12:19,668 so it would be publicly known that 1044 01:12:19,900 --> 01:12:23,600 the government could not even protect its tough chief of police. 1045 01:12:23,704 --> 01:12:27,338 It was a big event. It was a kind of a crisis at the time. 1046 01:12:27,362 --> 01:12:30,761 It was certainly a bad sign for Mossadegh. 1047 01:12:30,891 --> 01:12:35,085 Is Darbyshire's admission to involve him in the assassination of the chief of police 1048 01:12:35,109 --> 01:12:37,109 Is that the biggest thing in that transcript? 1049 01:12:38,070 --> 01:12:39,485 Besides the fact that he has 1050 01:12:40,241 --> 01:12:42,741 he has openly admitted the British involved in the coup 1051 01:12:43,288 --> 01:12:44,538 uh Yes. 1052 01:12:45,813 --> 01:12:48,808 -Pretty horrific picture to put on the front page. -this as well. 1053 01:12:48,965 --> 01:12:50,267 So, they tied him up, 1054 01:12:50,579 --> 01:12:53,444 -strangled him, and shot him -Yeah. 1055 01:13:10,762 --> 01:13:13,288 This was a very important element in the coup 1056 01:13:13,312 --> 01:13:16,308 because Mossadegh never managed to replace him properly. 1057 01:13:16,462 --> 01:13:18,496 He replaced him with people who were 1058 01:13:19,329 --> 01:13:20,891 linked to the coup plotters. 1059 01:13:26,022 --> 01:13:28,916 Zahedi avoided arrest and I was involved in protecting him 1060 01:13:28,940 --> 01:13:30,606 as he moved from house to house. 1061 01:13:34,512 --> 01:13:37,142 The plan for the final stages of the coup 1062 01:13:37,272 --> 01:13:39,798 written by Norman Darbyshire and Donald Wilber 1063 01:13:40,683 --> 01:13:43,053 was approved by Eisenhower and Churchill 1064 01:13:43,470 --> 01:13:46,230 on July 11th, 1953. 1065 01:13:48,079 --> 01:13:50,840 It was code named operation AJAX 1066 01:13:51,282 --> 01:13:53,158 after the popular household Cleanser. 1067 01:13:53,964 --> 01:13:54,980 225 1068 01:13:55,345 --> 01:13:58,809 The first step was for agent Stephen Meade and Norman Darbyshire 1069 01:13:58,913 --> 01:14:01,335 to track down the Shah's sister Ashraf 1070 01:14:01,595 --> 01:14:02,871 exiled in Paris. 1071 01:14:03,079 --> 01:14:07,142 Apparently, the British ambassador and the American ambassador had 1072 01:14:07,296 --> 01:14:10,819 gone to see the Shah on several occasions to convince him 1073 01:14:10,891 --> 01:14:14,589 to give the okay to this overthrow of Mossadegh. 1074 01:14:15,527 --> 01:14:17,353 Now, whether he did not want to do it 1075 01:14:17,377 --> 01:14:19,606 or did not want to upset the apple cart. I do not know. 1076 01:14:19,632 --> 01:14:22,246 But in any event he had refused up to that point. 1077 01:14:22,270 --> 01:14:24,610 Well, the Shah was very young when he was put on the throne 1078 01:14:24,635 --> 01:14:26,570 and he was knocked from pillar to post. 1079 01:14:27,506 --> 01:14:29,317 He always listened to the advice 1080 01:14:29,341 --> 01:14:32,432 from the last person in and that was often the advice he took. 1081 01:14:32,510 --> 01:14:35,553 someone either British or American I am not sure 1082 01:14:35,684 --> 01:14:39,147 had the idea to get his twin sister Ashraf 1083 01:14:39,615 --> 01:14:42,611 with whom he was closer than anyone else on the world 1084 01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:45,996 to convince him to do this 1085 01:14:46,020 --> 01:14:48,235 in order to save his life and his country. 1086 01:14:48,311 --> 01:14:51,386 Princess Ashraf very astute person, clever, very intelligent. 1087 01:14:52,298 --> 01:14:55,788 People say much more brave and much intelligent than her twin brother. 1088 01:14:56,194 --> 01:14:58,121 The Americans say she wore the pants. 1089 01:14:58,277 --> 01:15:02,730 In late June or July, I was called to locate princess Ashraf 1090 01:15:03,381 --> 01:15:04,892 and convince her 1091 01:15:05,412 --> 01:15:09,553 to involve herself in the then upcoming coup. 1092 01:15:09,917 --> 01:15:12,652 I went to London and met with my British counterpart. 1093 01:15:13,094 --> 01:15:15,542 Your British counterpart was in fact Norman Darbyshire 1094 01:15:15,567 --> 01:15:18,213 -Yes. -Could you tell us something about the man Norman Darbyshire? 1095 01:15:18,251 --> 01:15:21,923 Norman Darbyshire was a very competent individual 1096 01:15:21,947 --> 01:15:23,968 He was a had a lot of experience. 1097 01:15:23,992 --> 01:15:26,585 He spoke Farsi fluently, French, 1098 01:15:27,028 --> 01:15:29,085 and whatever the languages I do not know. 1099 01:15:45,101 --> 01:15:48,227 Well, you know the old wartime habit of using the BBC. 1100 01:15:48,251 --> 01:15:50,603 Well, we persuaded them and gave her the message that 1101 01:15:50,629 --> 01:15:54,711 that if you do this, you will notice a slight variation on the presentation 1102 01:15:54,735 --> 01:15:56,782 and that once the Shah heard that 1103 01:15:56,806 --> 01:15:59,945 he himself would know that it was official. 1104 01:16:00,648 --> 01:16:02,862 we wanted to hammer it home that it was 1105 01:16:03,331 --> 01:16:05,752 and therefore we used the BBC. 1106 01:16:12,706 --> 01:16:15,093 We made it clear that we would pay expenses 1107 01:16:15,118 --> 01:16:17,020 and the moment I produced a great wad of notes, 1108 01:16:17,732 --> 01:16:18,956 her eyes alighted. 1109 01:16:18,980 --> 01:16:21,507 At one point in the negotiations 1110 01:16:21,534 --> 01:16:25,492 she said "In the event that this does not go as plan, 1111 01:16:25,596 --> 01:16:27,774 who is going to take care of my brother?" 1112 01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:29,727 In the matter to what she has become accustomed 1113 01:16:30,544 --> 01:16:33,044 This brought dead silence into our little group 1114 01:16:33,658 --> 01:16:35,391 because as you can imagine 1115 01:16:35,415 --> 01:16:38,554 neither Norman nor I had been briefed on such a question 1116 01:16:38,578 --> 01:16:40,090 either in Washington or London. 1117 01:16:40,221 --> 01:16:42,383 So, I thought if this is what it takes 1118 01:16:42,539 --> 01:16:45,641 to get her to implicate herself in this thing, then 1119 01:16:45,665 --> 01:16:47,669 so be it so, I said yes, 1120 01:16:48,372 --> 01:16:49,483 we are prepared to do that. 1121 01:16:49,561 --> 01:16:51,835 She had not been out the room long that day 1122 01:16:51,937 --> 01:16:53,601 when Norman turned to me and said, 1123 01:16:53,625 --> 01:16:54,903 "now look, old buddy." 1124 01:16:54,927 --> 01:16:57,747 says, "You have not committed her majesty's government to this." 1125 01:16:57,929 --> 01:17:00,169 And I said no, I am I realize that. 1126 01:17:00,351 --> 01:17:02,955 And he said, "Do you really have the authority to do this?" 1127 01:17:03,346 --> 01:17:04,778 and I said I have no idea. 1128 01:17:04,802 --> 01:17:07,293 And he said, "Well if I did that, I would probably be sacked." 1129 01:17:07,317 --> 01:17:09,924 and I said well, Norman I just might be. 1130 01:17:10,966 --> 01:17:12,580 Well, she was quite a flighty woman 1131 01:17:12,711 --> 01:17:14,742 and Steve, who fancied anything, 1132 01:17:15,471 --> 01:17:16,695 fancied her. 1133 01:17:17,945 --> 01:17:18,976 eventually we said 1134 01:17:19,001 --> 01:17:22,075 here is your first-class ticket and you are booked for the day after tomorrow 1135 01:17:22,101 --> 01:17:25,288 and this time I did let her get her hands on the money. 1136 01:17:33,882 --> 01:17:37,528 Ashraf flew to Tehran from Paris and delivered the letter 1137 01:17:37,763 --> 01:17:41,773 which was a request for the Shah's signature authorizing the coup 1138 01:17:42,267 --> 01:17:45,263 and appointing Zahedi as the new prime minister. 1139 01:17:49,455 --> 01:17:51,096 Six days ahead of Ashraf 1140 01:17:51,460 --> 01:17:54,299 Kermit Roosevelt the CIA's Middle East chief 1141 01:17:54,689 --> 01:17:56,643 was on his way to Tehran. 1142 01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:00,471 Kermit Roosevelt was Harvard educated, 1143 01:18:00,495 --> 01:18:02,762 came out of the American elite 1144 01:18:02,786 --> 01:18:05,549 interestingly enough his grandfather had been Theodor Roosevelt 1145 01:18:05,573 --> 01:18:08,622 which is in some ways a wonderful historical quirk 1146 01:18:08,646 --> 01:18:12,398 since it was Theodor Roosevelt who led the United States 1147 01:18:12,423 --> 01:18:14,038 into the regime change era. 1148 01:18:14,063 --> 01:18:17,841 Roosevelt of course knew nothing about Iran, did not know Persian. 1149 01:18:18,023 --> 01:18:19,511 He was more like uhh 1150 01:18:19,535 --> 01:18:23,023 adventurist who was sent to work on the ground. 1151 01:18:23,191 --> 01:18:26,043 A lot of this was done by MI6. The coup 1152 01:18:26,695 --> 01:18:30,367 they did not actually carry it out on the ground in the end 1153 01:18:30,391 --> 01:18:32,215 but the actual ideas, planning, 1154 01:18:32,632 --> 01:18:36,590 the recruitment of agents, etc., was largely the work of MI6. 1155 01:18:36,877 --> 01:18:40,471 The actual running of the coup from our side was my responsibility. 1156 01:18:40,861 --> 01:18:43,622 Perhaps, one of the reasons why Darbyshire actually 1157 01:18:44,377 --> 01:18:47,216 did this interview revealed it was because they were 1158 01:18:47,892 --> 01:18:51,409 not happy with the Americans taking credit for everything cause Roosevelt 1159 01:18:52,060 --> 01:18:56,200 did rewrite a note history afterwards where he takes credit for a lot of this. 1160 01:18:57,215 --> 01:19:00,991 Roosevelt crossed the border from Iraq as James Lockridge 1161 01:19:01,825 --> 01:19:06,018 using a forged passport and carrying suitcases full of cash. 1162 01:19:13,413 --> 01:19:15,914 It is actually an interesting project because you ask yourself 1163 01:19:16,564 --> 01:19:18,700 how do you do this?! So, suppose you are assigned 1164 01:19:18,830 --> 01:19:21,226 overthrow the government of the country you just arrived in. 1165 01:19:21,668 --> 01:19:25,211 What do you do on Monday morning 9 o’clock first day? How do you start? 1166 01:19:26,070 --> 01:19:29,248 Well, Kermit Roosevelt started by 1167 01:19:29,273 --> 01:19:32,320 buying off newspaper editors and columnists and journalists. 1168 01:19:32,344 --> 01:19:33,960 And he had remarkable success. 1169 01:19:33,984 --> 01:19:37,348 They were running articles against Mossadegh day after day. 1170 01:19:37,372 --> 01:19:39,924 Mossadegh was a Jew, a communist, 1171 01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:42,398 homosexual, he was a British agent, 1172 01:19:42,528 --> 01:19:44,820 anything bad you could say about him. In fact, 1173 01:19:45,705 --> 01:19:49,273 they needed so much anti-Mossadegh copy, they could not even produce it themselves. 1174 01:19:49,481 --> 01:19:51,903 And the CIA back in Washington 1175 01:19:51,927 --> 01:19:55,653 assigned some of its own officers to write anti-Mossadegh propaganda. 1176 01:19:55,809 --> 01:19:59,612 And any article that I would write. It gave you something of a sense of power. 1177 01:19:59,976 --> 01:20:04,065 would appear almost instantly the next day in Iranian press 1178 01:20:04,767 --> 01:20:08,961 and they were designed to show Mossadegh as a communist collaborator 1179 01:20:09,638 --> 01:20:10,887 and as a fanatic. 1180 01:20:15,966 --> 01:20:17,866 The timing of the operation itself 1181 01:20:18,882 --> 01:20:20,028 what were you waiting for? 1182 01:20:20,052 --> 01:20:22,606 uhm very simple. Signature of the Shah. 1183 01:20:22,867 --> 01:20:26,044 Timing was solely affected by the signature of the Shah. 1184 01:20:26,435 --> 01:20:28,740 The original coup plan was based on 1185 01:20:28,764 --> 01:20:31,669 the fact that the Shah had the ability to dismiss a government. 1186 01:20:32,814 --> 01:20:36,226 And therefore, what was going to take place was that 1187 01:20:36,694 --> 01:20:38,870 an officer in the army would take a 1188 01:20:39,090 --> 01:20:41,617 Firman, a notice to Mossadegh 1189 01:20:42,215 --> 01:20:44,438 and inform him that he had been replaced 1190 01:20:44,462 --> 01:20:46,903 and that general Zahedi would become prime minister. 1191 01:20:47,003 --> 01:20:49,059 It was understood that Mossadegh would resist. 1192 01:20:49,163 --> 01:20:51,355 He would say I do not accept being fired 1193 01:20:51,380 --> 01:20:53,712 by some soldiers coming to me in the middle of the night. 1194 01:20:53,747 --> 01:20:54,866 He would then be arrested 1195 01:20:55,231 --> 01:20:57,850 and the next day it would be announced that he had 1196 01:20:57,874 --> 01:21:00,023 resisted royal orders 1197 01:21:00,466 --> 01:21:03,096 and now there was a new regime in power. 1198 01:21:04,997 --> 01:21:06,612 This is Mossa Mehran. 1199 01:21:07,861 --> 01:21:11,117 On the day of the coup he was Mossadegh's head of security. 1200 01:21:13,044 --> 01:21:15,075 For most of my Iranian witnesses 1201 01:21:15,283 --> 01:21:19,555 the event of 1953 are as fresh as if they happened yesterday. 1202 01:21:31,820 --> 01:21:34,893 Timing is always of the essence and secrecy. 1203 01:21:35,846 --> 01:21:37,523 hmm Persians are not very good at either. 1204 01:21:37,940 --> 01:21:41,377 With every passing day word got around and eventually word got to Mossadegh. 1205 01:21:41,585 --> 01:21:43,643 He heard it because they had a 1206 01:21:43,981 --> 01:21:46,794 junior officer was a Tudeh member 1207 01:21:47,185 --> 01:21:49,346 in the Imperial Guard. 1208 01:22:11,091 --> 01:22:13,136 We started talking to the Rashidians about 1209 01:22:13,251 --> 01:22:16,116 mounting the coup probably immediately after we had departed. 1210 01:22:16,533 --> 01:22:19,115 They were an extraordinary bunch of brothers because none of them 1211 01:22:19,140 --> 01:22:20,169 really spoke English. 1212 01:22:21,065 --> 01:22:23,643 They have been brought up believing the British were very good. 1213 01:22:24,138 --> 01:22:27,575 They were late 30s, early 40s fascinated by the idea of 1214 01:22:27,784 --> 01:22:31,091 politics altogether and intrigued by being in contact with the British 1215 01:22:31,404 --> 01:22:34,632 and delighted to take our money for something they believed in themselves. 1216 01:22:34,997 --> 01:22:37,173 we had issued the Rashidians with 1217 01:22:37,330 --> 01:22:40,101 radio sets to maintain contact by wireless. 1218 01:22:40,125 --> 01:22:43,670 They had a very wide range of contacts 1219 01:22:43,983 --> 01:22:45,780 particularly in the Bazaar. 1220 01:22:46,327 --> 01:22:49,478 They also had contacts with the Ayatollahs 1221 01:22:49,791 --> 01:22:51,889 and a little bit of rent-a-crowd 1222 01:22:52,423 --> 01:22:53,463 sort of provided 1223 01:22:53,775 --> 01:22:58,332 a strong popular demonstration against Mossadegh and in favor of the Shah. 1224 01:22:58,540 --> 01:23:01,848 These are the tough boys and Ayatollah Kashani controlled some of them. 1225 01:23:04,062 --> 01:23:07,187 You could use them as a street mob with the blessing of a Kashani and then 1226 01:23:08,202 --> 01:23:09,348 the more the merrier. 1227 01:25:33,176 --> 01:25:35,467 When it first went wrong, I heard about it from Roosevelt 1228 01:25:35,702 --> 01:25:37,968 and from the radio from the RAshidians. 1229 01:25:45,467 --> 01:25:49,313 First thing I heard about the coup was on the radio there at ford pinning. 1230 01:25:49,338 --> 01:25:51,526 There had been an attempted coup in Iran 1231 01:25:51,709 --> 01:25:53,115 and it had failed miserably. 1232 01:25:54,329 --> 01:25:57,688 And so, I gulped once and I looked at my wife and I said 1233 01:25:57,948 --> 01:26:00,605 how would you like to have the Shah as a permanent house guest? 1234 01:26:01,308 --> 01:26:03,328 She had no idea what I was talking about, you know. 1235 01:26:05,552 --> 01:26:06,880 Here it is. There you go. 1236 01:26:06,932 --> 01:26:09,927 It is from the 16th of August 1953 1237 01:26:10,501 --> 01:26:14,876 is the first news of the attempted coup by Nasiri 1238 01:27:04,380 --> 01:27:06,751 Attention is focused once again on the Middle East 1239 01:27:06,775 --> 01:27:09,615 where events in Iran have taken a dramatic double twist. 1240 01:27:10,266 --> 01:27:12,063 Forced to flee his palace in Tehran, 1241 01:27:12,242 --> 01:27:14,485 the Shah and his queen arrive in Rome 1242 01:27:14,509 --> 01:27:18,417 after an alleged attempt by the Imperial guard to arrest Dr Mossadegh 1243 01:27:18,625 --> 01:27:22,219 and the refusal by the Shah to dissolve parliament at Mossadegh's request. 1244 01:27:33,287 --> 01:27:35,437 There was I think great contempt 1245 01:27:35,461 --> 01:27:37,766 for the Shah within CIA circles 1246 01:27:37,790 --> 01:27:39,790 that he they thought he was a coward. 1247 01:27:40,074 --> 01:27:44,563 Of course, he fled his own country with his wife queen Soraya. 1248 01:27:44,691 --> 01:27:46,464 They flee to Rome, 1249 01:27:46,488 --> 01:27:49,525 they take shelter at a very luxurious hotel there 1250 01:27:49,549 --> 01:27:51,073 courtesy of the CIA 1251 01:27:51,253 --> 01:27:55,995 The hotel Excelsior which was known as the sort of La Dolce Vita hotel at the time 1252 01:27:56,097 --> 01:27:58,964 where Hollywood celebrities stayed there in the hotel 1253 01:27:59,432 --> 01:28:03,756 and so, they were not exactly suffering in exile. 1254 01:28:04,589 --> 01:28:07,089 So, there is great intrigue going on at Rome 1255 01:28:07,113 --> 01:28:11,255 as events in Iran are quickly spinning out of control. 1256 01:28:18,651 --> 01:28:21,739 Once it became clear that the project had failed 1257 01:28:21,763 --> 01:28:23,156 and Mossadegh was triumphed, 1258 01:28:24,042 --> 01:28:26,516 the CIA actually came to a conclusion in a meeting 1259 01:28:27,011 --> 01:28:30,631 Mossadegh has won and we are just going to have to find a way to live with him. 1260 01:28:30,655 --> 01:28:32,792 Basically, they decided this is a done deal 1261 01:28:33,182 --> 01:28:35,917 we need to pull our forces out of there. 1262 01:28:36,125 --> 01:28:38,209 And so, they instruct Kermit Roosevelt 1263 01:28:38,703 --> 01:28:41,360 to wrap it all up and get out of there. 1264 01:28:41,516 --> 01:28:44,876 We must regret that we cannot consider going on fighting. 1265 01:28:45,526 --> 01:28:48,600 Operations against Mossadegh should be discontinued. 1266 01:28:49,224 --> 01:28:51,334 The Americans were very new to the game 1267 01:28:51,358 --> 01:28:54,953 and certainly we would have hoped to have had more influence. 1268 01:28:55,657 --> 01:28:57,636 I think that I am right in saying that we had a 1269 01:28:58,261 --> 01:29:00,761 a little more experience in Iran than they had. 1270 01:29:01,156 --> 01:29:03,385 But at very precise moments 1271 01:29:03,409 --> 01:29:05,532 particularly what the call black Sunday 1272 01:29:05,924 --> 01:29:09,205 when Roosevelt who was the key person for the CIA. 1273 01:29:09,413 --> 01:29:11,262 He kind of lost his nerve. 1274 01:29:11,991 --> 01:29:15,846 It was the MI6 officers in Cyprus particularly Darbyshire 1275 01:29:16,601 --> 01:29:18,685 who kind of said let's go ahead. 1276 01:29:19,049 --> 01:29:20,716 And they did so without 1277 01:29:21,392 --> 01:29:22,943 the say so of the foreign office. 1278 01:29:22,968 --> 01:29:25,770 I said all along that we should have back up in case something did leak 1279 01:29:25,796 --> 01:29:27,188 or go wrong and which it did. 1280 01:29:28,126 --> 01:29:31,199 And this is when it was decided to bring the boys out onto the streets. 1281 01:29:34,845 --> 01:29:38,386 It was the Rashidians who provided people to infiltrate the demonstrations. 1282 01:29:39,246 --> 01:29:41,538 I was personally giving orders and directing. 1283 01:29:51,642 --> 01:29:53,361 They were provocatories 1284 01:29:53,855 --> 01:29:57,657 but we had more than just provocatories. We had a lot of Shah troops 1285 01:29:57,970 --> 01:30:02,970 who actually acted as if they were Tudeh people throwing rocks at mosques 1286 01:30:02,994 --> 01:30:06,459 and knock over the statues of the previous regime. 1287 01:30:08,166 --> 01:30:10,315 We were anxious to show the world that 1288 01:30:10,339 --> 01:30:13,453 that this was a spontaneous coup against Mossadegh 1289 01:30:13,606 --> 01:30:17,177 and that Mossadegh had then used the initial coup 1290 01:30:17,201 --> 01:30:19,391 to use it as a coup against the Shah. 1291 01:31:10,499 --> 01:31:13,650 -You actually had held a conference at the hills of Vanak? -Yes, I did. 1292 01:31:22,261 --> 01:31:24,386 What is the message that you were giving to the press? 1293 01:31:59,588 --> 01:32:01,879 The shah has just landed in Rome. 1294 01:32:03,207 --> 01:32:04,263 What was the situation? 1295 01:32:04,287 --> 01:32:06,879 was he coming back? wasn't he coming back? Nobody knew. 1296 01:32:07,452 --> 01:32:09,718 But all these discussions were going on 1297 01:32:10,446 --> 01:32:13,312 until the 19th of August. 1298 01:32:14,144 --> 01:32:16,801 And there was not an instance of imminent danger. 1299 01:32:18,337 --> 01:32:19,796 Not until it was too late. 1300 01:32:23,103 --> 01:32:25,518 In the morning of the 19th of August 1301 01:32:25,542 --> 01:32:29,467 the editorial team were on their way to the Bakhtar Emrooz offices 1302 01:32:29,491 --> 01:32:31,264 to prepare the issue for that day. 1303 01:32:31,289 --> 01:32:33,549 They arrive there and it was a smoldering ruin. 1304 01:32:33,940 --> 01:32:37,553 Once you start burning newspaper offices which are known to be pro-Mossadegh, 1305 01:32:37,577 --> 01:32:40,469 the mob starts coming out and attacks the demonstrators and then 1306 01:32:41,017 --> 01:32:43,725 it snowballs which is what we intended to do. 1307 01:32:44,819 --> 01:32:45,991 It was the correct 1308 01:32:46,798 --> 01:32:50,418 It was the correct psychological reading of the Persian mob character. 1309 01:33:38,048 --> 01:33:42,058 That mob that came into north Tehran and was decisive in the overthrow 1310 01:33:42,267 --> 01:33:44,819 was a mercenary mob. They had no ideology. 1311 01:33:50,495 --> 01:33:53,699 And that mob was paid for by American dollars. 1312 01:33:53,907 --> 01:33:57,396 As they got nearer, it was rather frightening. 1313 01:33:57,420 --> 01:33:59,193 I was 16 years old 1314 01:34:00,496 --> 01:34:04,818 I went a little bit to the right till the walls of the British embassy 1315 01:34:05,574 --> 01:34:07,631 and uhm there 1316 01:34:07,970 --> 01:34:09,870 someone had obviously been killed. 1317 01:34:36,189 --> 01:34:38,428 We saw tanks coming from 1318 01:34:38,949 --> 01:34:42,178 the north end of the road. 1319 01:34:42,202 --> 01:34:46,344 They came in and pulled up outside my uncle's house. 1320 01:34:52,933 --> 01:34:55,719 At that time, the gate was shut 1321 01:34:56,188 --> 01:34:58,401 and the guards were 1322 01:34:58,715 --> 01:35:00,563 were holding back the people and 1323 01:35:00,980 --> 01:35:03,141 telling them to move away. 1324 01:38:24,624 --> 01:38:25,641 It worked. 1325 01:38:55,875 --> 01:38:58,636 With 45 million dollars in American aid 1326 01:38:58,764 --> 01:39:03,193 the Shah quickly set about neutralizing the opposition of Mossadegh supporters 1327 01:39:03,689 --> 01:39:06,045 and putting Mossadegh himself on trial. 1328 01:39:10,121 --> 01:39:12,907 In the military court at Tehran on trial for treason 1329 01:39:12,956 --> 01:39:14,838 the Persian ex-premier Dr Mossadegh 1330 01:39:14,862 --> 01:39:16,909 demonstrates that he knows how to make an entrance. 1331 01:39:17,204 --> 01:39:19,600 With the coat over the pajamas Mossadegh seem calm 1332 01:39:19,886 --> 01:39:23,818 The 17 charges include high treason and trying to overthrow the Shah's regime. 1333 01:39:24,418 --> 01:39:26,814 A strange man up against as it last. 1334 01:39:29,443 --> 01:39:31,319 My uncle was very fraid. 1335 01:39:32,073 --> 01:39:33,297 Very fraid and very dejected. 1336 01:39:34,287 --> 01:39:35,578 He was sure they gonna kill him. 1337 01:39:36,724 --> 01:39:37,870 The Shah wanted to kill him. 1338 01:39:38,064 --> 01:39:41,891 Was not there an army officer captured with membership list of the Tudeh party? 1339 01:39:42,149 --> 01:39:44,756 Yes, that was when the great executions took place. 1340 01:39:49,521 --> 01:39:53,219 And from there on the Shah and the CIA 1341 01:39:53,243 --> 01:39:54,782 they introduce in the country 1342 01:39:55,144 --> 01:39:58,480 one of the worst elements SAVAK. 1343 01:39:59,313 --> 01:40:03,324 SAVAK was held up as one of the most brutal secret services in the world. 1344 01:40:03,741 --> 01:40:07,204 It was clear to the coup project leaders 1345 01:40:07,228 --> 01:40:10,849 and to Allen Dulles that a harsh secret service was required 1346 01:40:11,162 --> 01:40:15,057 and the Americans began the process of establishing SAVAK. 1347 01:40:15,083 --> 01:40:18,027 I was not allowed to go back immediately when we picked up relations again 1348 01:40:18,052 --> 01:40:20,868 because the Americans were trying to cash in very quickly 1349 01:40:20,892 --> 01:40:22,907 and establish a special relationship with the Shah. 1350 01:40:23,298 --> 01:40:24,313 227 1351 01:40:25,720 --> 01:40:28,271 could you tell us what the president's mission entailed? 1352 01:40:29,730 --> 01:40:34,053 The mission that uh for which I was selected theoretically by the president 1353 01:40:34,261 --> 01:40:38,141 was to go to Iran and assist the Shah 1354 01:40:39,131 --> 01:40:41,866 after he had regained power to stay in power. 1355 01:40:43,922 --> 01:40:45,813 Can you explain what that actually would entail? 1356 01:40:46,475 --> 01:40:47,569 Well, it was 1357 01:40:47,751 --> 01:40:51,969 to help train his counterintelligence agencies in Iran. 1358 01:40:52,230 --> 01:40:54,314 What do that involve? could you give some detail? 1359 01:40:59,314 --> 01:41:00,537 Not really. 1360 01:41:01,761 --> 01:41:03,702 -Okay -uhm yes 1361 01:41:04,001 --> 01:41:05,015 Okay. Yep. 1362 01:41:05,169 --> 01:41:06,829 What about SAVAK and all that? 1363 01:41:19,355 --> 01:41:20,370 Soon after 1364 01:41:20,422 --> 01:41:23,808 just a few years later they handed it over to Israel and the Mossad. 1365 01:41:24,069 --> 01:41:26,178 And that became the force that shaped 1366 01:41:27,037 --> 01:41:28,574 SAVAK over a longer period. 1367 01:41:28,676 --> 01:41:32,506 Also, security activity we had security relations with Iran. 1368 01:41:32,896 --> 01:41:35,032 We sold them military equipment. 1369 01:41:35,267 --> 01:41:37,350 They were interested in common developments. 1370 01:41:37,740 --> 01:41:40,475 That developed a great interest between us and Iran 1371 01:41:40,814 --> 01:41:43,444 which were a great strategic impact. 1372 01:41:46,438 --> 01:41:49,303 After they changed their minds from death sentence 1373 01:41:49,537 --> 01:41:52,715 then somebody decided on a 3 years. 1374 01:41:52,949 --> 01:41:55,553 of solitary confinement in the military prison. 1375 01:41:57,142 --> 01:41:58,730 With Mossadegh behind bars 1376 01:41:58,939 --> 01:42:02,480 Anglo-Iranian was renamed British Petroleum (BP) 1377 01:42:02,871 --> 01:42:05,370 and now had to share Iranian oil 1378 01:42:05,394 --> 01:42:08,053 with a handful of American and European companies. 1379 01:42:08,964 --> 01:42:10,501 BP did not come out on top 1380 01:42:10,579 --> 01:42:12,219 but they got they came back with a 1381 01:42:12,767 --> 01:42:15,969 a major share in the international consortium 1382 01:42:15,995 --> 01:42:18,001 which was subsequently set up. 1383 01:42:18,025 --> 01:42:20,995 And I suppose from my own point of view I would have probably 1384 01:42:21,201 --> 01:42:22,740 sat there for another ten years 1385 01:42:23,053 --> 01:42:26,491 in that boiling heat instead of doing some much more interesting jobs 1386 01:42:27,168 --> 01:42:28,990 which I was allowed to do later. 1387 01:42:49,606 --> 01:42:53,668 Then Dr Mossadegh was moved from the military prison to Ahmadabad 1388 01:42:54,293 --> 01:42:56,715 his place in exile for the rest of his life. 1389 01:42:58,016 --> 01:43:00,283 Without any order. 1390 01:43:00,307 --> 01:43:05,282 without any trial. without any uhm judicial authority 1391 01:43:06,324 --> 01:43:07,340 for that move. 1392 01:43:08,772 --> 01:43:11,923 It was totally illegal and under the Shah's orders. 1393 01:43:12,418 --> 01:43:15,465 What was his state of mind when he was on the house arrest? 1394 01:43:16,949 --> 01:43:20,960 he was very dejected. I mean you know this is a great intellect. 1395 01:43:21,871 --> 01:43:23,798 uhm in his later life 1396 01:43:25,751 --> 01:43:29,189 was nothing. In total solitude. 1397 01:43:29,658 --> 01:43:32,626 At the beginning there was not even television at the beginning. 1398 01:43:33,668 --> 01:43:36,481 To have a doctor you had to ask the Shah's permission. 1399 01:43:37,288 --> 01:43:40,517 Everything. To have a newspaper you had to have the Shahs permission. 1400 01:43:41,116 --> 01:43:43,772 For a man like that to sit only 1401 01:43:44,241 --> 01:43:46,376 and stare out into this nothingness 1402 01:43:47,913 --> 01:43:50,829 not to have any communication with his friends 1403 01:43:50,853 --> 01:43:52,470 with his world with his political world. 1404 01:43:52,598 --> 01:43:56,013 Suddenly, to be cut off from all had striven for 1405 01:43:56,037 --> 01:43:58,069 for 50 years or more. 1406 01:43:59,579 --> 01:44:01,142 It was disaster. 1407 01:44:01,166 --> 01:44:03,641 He would just everyday he said I just want to die. 1408 01:44:13,251 --> 01:44:17,574 After the coup was over, there was a meeting in the white house 1409 01:44:17,599 --> 01:44:21,506 at which Kermit Roosevelt presented an account of what he had done 1410 01:44:22,262 --> 01:44:26,845 to the president and other very senior US government officials. 1411 01:44:27,678 --> 01:44:32,418 I think Eisenhower in particular was astonished and deeply impressed. 1412 01:44:33,772 --> 01:44:35,751 President Eisenhower as a general 1413 01:44:36,376 --> 01:44:40,595 had had to send kids off to die by the thousands. 1414 01:44:41,507 --> 01:44:45,126 Now, he sees you can change an entire regime 1415 01:44:45,699 --> 01:44:49,137 and only a couple of hundred people die and none of them are Americans 1416 01:44:49,161 --> 01:44:50,412 and it is very cheap. 1417 01:44:50,696 --> 01:44:53,694 So, he would have seen covert action as a peace project. 1418 01:44:53,718 --> 01:44:57,522 An internal report in the CIA about the coup in Iran 1419 01:44:57,546 --> 01:44:59,891 later calls it a day that should never have ended. 1420 01:44:59,915 --> 01:45:03,824 Its consequences were so significant on so many levels. 1421 01:45:04,267 --> 01:45:06,949 This had a very negative effect on 1422 01:45:06,973 --> 01:45:11,063 on Iran's attempts at building a democracy. 1423 01:45:11,350 --> 01:45:13,668 It also had an impact on 1424 01:45:13,744 --> 01:45:16,677 the thinking of US policy makers and US strategists 1425 01:45:16,701 --> 01:45:19,449 and particularly covert operations planners. 1426 01:45:19,707 --> 01:45:23,252 Because it was seen as a big success, this opened the world to them. 1427 01:45:23,432 --> 01:45:26,247 So, of course they were emboldened to do this yet again 1428 01:45:26,271 --> 01:45:29,190 just the following year 1954 in Guatemala 1429 01:45:29,214 --> 01:45:33,018 when they overthrew the democratically elected government of Jacobo Arbenz. 1430 01:45:33,670 --> 01:45:37,589 And in the spring of 1954, there was also a big conference 1431 01:45:37,614 --> 01:45:40,284 in Geneva to decide the future of Vietnam. 1432 01:45:41,795 --> 01:45:44,763 When it became clear that the Geneva agreement 1433 01:45:44,787 --> 01:45:47,836 was going to give Ho Chi Minh a piece of territory, 1434 01:45:48,354 --> 01:45:49,555 Dulles walked out. 1435 01:45:49,580 --> 01:45:52,095 As he was flying home, he decided we are not accepting this 1436 01:45:52,120 --> 01:45:54,401 and we are gonna fight. we are gonna undermine Ho Chi Minh 1437 01:45:54,426 --> 01:45:57,421 Of course, the French could not defeat him they are a decade and old power. 1438 01:45:57,446 --> 01:45:59,087 The British are not ambitious enough. 1439 01:45:59,112 --> 01:46:01,926 We are going to do it. We can do what they could not do. 1440 01:46:02,105 --> 01:46:04,295 All people thought we could not get rid of Mossadegh. 1441 01:46:04,320 --> 01:46:07,134 People thought we could not get rid of Arbenz in Guatemala. 1442 01:46:07,161 --> 01:46:10,494 We just got rid of those easily like it swat a fly. 1443 01:46:10,650 --> 01:46:12,539 You think we cannot get rid of Ho Chi Minh. 1444 01:46:12,563 --> 01:46:13,984 Just watch. 1445 01:48:29,322 --> 01:48:30,338 Soon there after 1446 01:48:30,884 --> 01:48:33,723 I was up in my office 1447 01:48:33,747 --> 01:48:35,962 and I got a call immediately to go down. 1448 01:48:39,035 --> 01:48:40,051 He had just died. 1449 01:48:41,613 --> 01:48:43,176 uhh so... 1450 01:49:38,645 --> 01:49:41,796 So, they put the corpse in an ambulance. 1451 01:51:00,910 --> 01:51:04,869 Released from the burden of Mossadegh and his dream of democracy for Iran, 1452 01:51:05,390 --> 01:51:08,697 the Shah is finally liberated to be what he always wanted 1453 01:51:09,192 --> 01:51:10,963 an all-powerful king 1454 01:51:11,639 --> 01:51:13,280 free to reign and rule 1455 01:51:13,645 --> 01:51:15,260 and stride the globe. 1456 01:51:54,113 --> 01:51:56,917 Do you understand sometimes the slight dilemma 1457 01:51:56,943 --> 01:52:00,456 that some Western leaders feel about a very close relationship 1458 01:52:00,480 --> 01:52:01,900 with your government 1459 01:52:02,681 --> 01:52:06,093 when there are some in America and in Britain too 1460 01:52:06,275 --> 01:52:09,504 who feel that your regime is undemocratic. How do you respond to that? 1461 01:52:10,129 --> 01:52:12,242 Well, I respond to that by saying 1462 01:52:12,266 --> 01:52:15,103 that your regime are not more democratic than ours. 1463 01:52:15,127 --> 01:52:18,176 Just look how many billionaires you have 1464 01:52:18,437 --> 01:52:20,051 and how many poor people you have. 1465 01:52:20,363 --> 01:52:21,483 In the old days 1466 01:52:22,108 --> 01:52:25,207 you British and others who had influence here 1467 01:52:25,389 --> 01:52:28,567 you could change the prime ministers as you wished. 1468 01:52:28,775 --> 01:52:30,676 Are you sorry for that time 1469 01:52:32,265 --> 01:52:33,358 that you have lost? 1470 01:52:34,114 --> 01:52:37,942 Do you want the same thing to manipulate our internal affairs? 1471 01:52:38,463 --> 01:52:39,505 We won't let you. 1472 01:52:41,197 --> 01:52:45,520 Iran because of the great leadership of the Shah 1473 01:52:46,900 --> 01:52:50,442 is an island of stability 1474 01:52:51,952 --> 01:52:54,895 in one of the more troubled areas of the world. 1475 01:54:38,619 --> 01:54:41,952 The legacy of the 1953 coup in Iran 1476 01:54:42,057 --> 01:54:45,130 is shaping politics to this day. 1477 01:54:45,390 --> 01:54:50,107 We have a government in Iran and a political system in Iran that probably 1478 01:54:50,131 --> 01:54:51,692 never would have emerged. 1479 01:54:51,822 --> 01:54:55,988 American Iranian relations might never have deteriorated this way. 1480 01:54:56,770 --> 01:54:58,020 Think of it this way. 1481 01:54:58,437 --> 01:55:02,369 Had we not overthrown Mossadegh in 1953 1482 01:55:02,682 --> 01:55:05,937 and had allowed democracy to grow 1483 01:55:06,327 --> 01:55:10,051 we might have had a flourishing democracy 1484 01:55:10,182 --> 01:55:12,734 in the heart of the Muslim Middle East 1485 01:55:13,332 --> 01:55:15,233 all these 60 years. 1486 01:55:15,755 --> 01:55:17,878 And I can hardly wrap my mind around 1487 01:55:17,902 --> 01:55:20,233 how different the Middle East might be 1488 01:55:20,338 --> 01:55:22,343 if that were the example we had set. 1489 01:55:22,577 --> 01:55:24,947 Instead, we set the opposite example. 1490 01:55:25,389 --> 01:55:27,266 Here was the message we sent to the rising 1491 01:55:27,290 --> 01:55:29,583 generation of leaders throughout the Middle East 1492 01:55:29,895 --> 01:55:33,176 the United States does not want democracy 1493 01:55:33,645 --> 01:55:35,780 because democracy in a Middle East country 1494 01:55:36,015 --> 01:55:39,869 is going to lead to demands for controlling resources. 1495 01:55:40,338 --> 01:55:43,645 What we want is a dictatorial leader 1496 01:55:44,088 --> 01:55:46,770 who can repress his people as much as he wants 1497 01:55:46,794 --> 01:55:50,546 and we will help him do that as long as he gives us free access to oil. 1498 01:55:50,622 --> 01:55:52,622 That was the message of the Iran coup 1499 01:55:52,760 --> 01:55:55,520 and that was heard all over the Middle East 1500 01:55:55,544 --> 01:55:59,504 and it led to the emergence of all the kinds of regimes in the Middle East 1501 01:55:59,661 --> 01:56:02,656 that have created the crises that we now live with. 1502 01:56:02,838 --> 01:56:06,770 So, this was a decisive historic episode. 1503 01:56:07,004 --> 01:56:09,947 when you read a history of the 20th century in many cases, 1504 01:56:10,103 --> 01:56:12,811 you would be lucky to find one line on this coup. 1505 01:56:12,965 --> 01:56:14,504 It should be a big chapter. 1506 01:56:15,988 --> 01:56:20,363 I wrote the whole thing up from beginning to end and that is definitely on file. 1507 01:56:22,525 --> 01:56:24,973 I think could persuade them to let me see it. 1508 01:56:27,317 --> 01:56:29,973 This is the sort of thing that you won't find in any book. 128039

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