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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,178 --> 00:00:06,963 [helicopter fluttering] 2 00:00:08,182 --> 00:00:09,705 [man speaking muffled over radio] 3 00:00:09,792 --> 00:00:11,402 - [Man Over Radio] All right, so currently 4 00:00:11,489 --> 00:00:13,056 I got 13K right now, about 13 1/2, looks good. 5 00:00:13,143 --> 00:00:14,014 - [Man Over Radio] [muffled] you like to cross by 6 00:00:14,101 --> 00:00:15,624 your panel checks, over. 7 00:00:15,711 --> 00:00:17,495 - [Man Over Radio] Looks good to me, yeah. 8 00:00:17,582 --> 00:00:18,540 - [Man Over Radio] You two currently's holding steady. 9 00:00:18,627 --> 00:00:21,717 [helicopter fluttering] 10 00:00:35,209 --> 00:00:38,429 [slow, somber music] 11 00:00:41,737 --> 00:00:43,739 - [Reporter] A Navy helicopter exploded off the coast 12 00:00:43,826 --> 00:00:45,436 of San Francisco, eight crewmen are missing. 13 00:00:47,612 --> 00:00:49,745 - [Reporter] Two military aircraft have gone down 14 00:00:49,832 --> 00:00:53,749 after colliding just north of Hawaii's Oahu island. 15 00:00:54,619 --> 00:00:57,753 [slow, somber music] 16 00:01:07,589 --> 00:01:09,939 - [Reporter] 30 U.S. Marines and a U.S. sailor 17 00:01:10,026 --> 00:01:12,768 were killed today in the crash of a Super Stallion 18 00:01:12,855 --> 00:01:16,554 helicopter on this, the deadliest day for American forces 19 00:01:16,641 --> 00:01:18,426 since the start of the war. 20 00:01:20,602 --> 00:01:22,517 - [Reporter] Five people killed in four crashes 21 00:01:22,604 --> 00:01:24,432 in the course of two years. 22 00:01:24,519 --> 00:01:28,175 Has the worst safety record of any aircraft in the Navy. 23 00:01:28,262 --> 00:01:31,482 [slow, somber music] 24 00:01:42,102 --> 00:01:44,104 - [Mike] Reporters don't have much of an incentive 25 00:01:44,191 --> 00:01:45,540 to write about this stuff except when it's a horror story. 26 00:01:45,627 --> 00:01:48,891 But then there's no follow through. 27 00:01:50,110 --> 00:01:50,414 Well what really happened? 28 00:01:53,461 --> 00:01:55,332 - [Man] Who am I suppose to be faithful to? 29 00:01:55,419 --> 00:01:59,075 Am I suppose to be faithful to a general or a politician? 30 00:01:59,162 --> 00:02:00,990 Where do your loyalties lie? 31 00:02:01,077 --> 00:02:03,297 My suggestion would be my loyalties lie to the Marines 32 00:02:03,384 --> 00:02:05,081 who go die on those aircraft. 33 00:02:07,605 --> 00:02:10,347 - [Nicole] He saw it happening and he called it out. 34 00:02:11,827 --> 00:02:14,786 Unfortunately, he couldn't do anything to change it in time. 35 00:02:16,005 --> 00:02:19,008 [slow, somber music] 36 00:02:23,969 --> 00:02:27,234 - Lieutenant Wesley Van Dorn was 29 years old, 37 00:02:27,321 --> 00:02:29,149 from Greensboro, North Carolina. 38 00:02:29,236 --> 00:02:31,716 Van Dorn was a 2007 graduate 39 00:02:31,803 --> 00:02:33,501 of the United States Naval Academy. 40 00:02:33,588 --> 00:02:35,198 He was one of the Sea Dragon pilots. 41 00:02:35,285 --> 00:02:38,027 And Van Dorn was a father of two. 42 00:02:39,507 --> 00:02:41,770 - Jax, why don't you help Dad? 43 00:02:41,857 --> 00:02:43,119 [toddler babbling] 44 00:02:43,206 --> 00:02:45,904 [Nicole laughing] 45 00:02:48,516 --> 00:02:52,128 He was, I always use the word magnetic. 46 00:02:52,215 --> 00:02:53,651 Why don't you try one more time. 47 00:02:56,350 --> 00:02:58,090 [blowing] 48 00:02:58,178 --> 00:03:01,311 I met him and I just was like, "Wow, there are people 49 00:03:01,398 --> 00:03:03,357 "in the world that are actually awe-inspiring 50 00:03:03,444 --> 00:03:04,445 "and you want to be around." 51 00:03:06,664 --> 00:03:08,971 - Wes had a great relationship with his enlisted guys. 52 00:03:09,058 --> 00:03:10,364 He took care of all of us. 53 00:03:12,192 --> 00:03:13,802 He was just really big on making sure that all of his people 54 00:03:13,889 --> 00:03:15,760 felt welcomed and felt like a family. 55 00:03:16,935 --> 00:03:19,808 - He was rambunctious, he was fun to be around. 56 00:03:19,895 --> 00:03:22,898 You're a better person because of your time spent with him. 57 00:03:22,985 --> 00:03:25,292 He'd talk to me about what we could do better. 58 00:03:25,379 --> 00:03:27,119 What can we do better to be better? 59 00:03:27,207 --> 00:03:30,340 And I think that was a question that racked his brain a lot. 60 00:03:32,037 --> 00:03:34,431 'Cause he wasn't somebody who half-assed anything. 61 00:03:34,518 --> 00:03:36,172 And that's what you should wanna do, 62 00:03:36,259 --> 00:03:38,827 especially if your life's on the line every day. 63 00:03:38,914 --> 00:03:42,134 [people chattering] 64 00:03:42,222 --> 00:03:43,048 - Hey, Mom. 65 00:03:44,180 --> 00:03:47,096 [slow, somber music] 66 00:03:48,402 --> 00:03:50,186 - [Narrator] Wes Van Dorn long-dreamed 67 00:03:50,273 --> 00:03:51,883 of attending a service academy. 68 00:03:53,363 --> 00:03:55,887 He spent hours fishing with his grandfather, 69 00:03:55,974 --> 00:03:57,367 a West Point graduate. 70 00:03:58,499 --> 00:04:00,327 - [Susan] This is fourth, fifth grade, 71 00:04:00,414 --> 00:04:02,633 and on into his high school picture. 72 00:04:04,592 --> 00:04:06,507 - [Narrator] He was 19 when his mother, Susan, 73 00:04:06,594 --> 00:04:09,466 dropped him off at the Naval Academy. 74 00:04:10,728 --> 00:04:12,600 - [Susan] This is day one, quite a day. 75 00:04:14,819 --> 00:04:17,082 He's thrilled here, and he's a little thoughtful here 76 00:04:17,169 --> 00:04:18,040 I would say. 77 00:04:19,868 --> 00:04:23,480 But, he was very excited about his opportunity there. 78 00:04:25,656 --> 00:04:27,354 - [Man] Having been appointed as a midshipman 79 00:04:27,441 --> 00:04:30,922 in the United States Navy, do you solemnly swear 80 00:04:31,009 --> 00:04:33,751 that you will support and defend the Constitution 81 00:04:33,838 --> 00:04:37,233 of the United States against all enemies, 82 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:38,930 foreign and domestic? 83 00:04:39,017 --> 00:04:40,323 - It was a very moving experience as a parent. 84 00:04:40,410 --> 00:04:43,370 You felt that you had done your best 85 00:04:43,457 --> 00:04:45,807 to bring them to that point and then you were 86 00:04:45,894 --> 00:04:48,375 turning them over to the military 87 00:04:48,462 --> 00:04:52,335 to let them continue to develop and grow as a human being 88 00:04:52,422 --> 00:04:54,294 in the way they wanted to. 89 00:04:54,381 --> 00:04:55,860 - [Man] So help you God. 90 00:04:55,947 --> 00:04:58,254 - [Midshipmen] I do! 91 00:04:58,341 --> 00:05:01,301 [crowd cheering] 92 00:05:05,348 --> 00:05:07,829 [gentle music] 93 00:05:11,702 --> 00:05:14,401 - After he got his wings he said, 94 00:05:14,488 --> 00:05:17,360 "How do you think we should choose an airframe?" 95 00:05:17,447 --> 00:05:20,581 We decided together that the community 96 00:05:20,668 --> 00:05:23,061 that would allow for the best family life. 97 00:05:23,148 --> 00:05:24,976 - [Wesley] Come on little Jeffrey man, come on. 98 00:05:25,063 --> 00:05:28,284 - He decided that he wanted to be defined by his family. 99 00:05:28,371 --> 00:05:30,765 - [Wesley] Look who it is, it's Mommy. 100 00:05:30,852 --> 00:05:34,595 - And one of his other friends, who was in the 53 community 101 00:05:34,682 --> 00:05:37,772 at the time, told him that the hours he worked 102 00:05:37,859 --> 00:05:39,687 allowed him to be home for dinner most nights. 103 00:05:39,774 --> 00:05:41,558 Was that fun? 104 00:05:41,645 --> 00:05:44,779 That he would only deploy once every couple of years. 105 00:05:44,866 --> 00:05:49,131 And so Wes put 53 as his first choice. 106 00:05:50,654 --> 00:05:54,092 [helicopter fluttering] 107 00:05:56,443 --> 00:05:59,010 [serious music] 108 00:06:06,714 --> 00:06:10,457 - Helicopters are awesome, I mean, 109 00:06:10,544 --> 00:06:13,024 to make a school bus fly, lift off the ground, 110 00:06:14,156 --> 00:06:15,592 to beat the air into submission, 111 00:06:16,419 --> 00:06:17,812 it's a whole different glory 112 00:06:17,899 --> 00:06:19,553 than just making a jet go really fast 113 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:21,381 and flying like a paper plane. 114 00:06:23,731 --> 00:06:25,472 - [Narrator] The two versions of this helicopter 115 00:06:25,559 --> 00:06:27,387 are practically identical. 116 00:06:28,562 --> 00:06:32,174 The Navy uses the MH-53E Sea Dragon. 117 00:06:32,261 --> 00:06:34,394 It drags heavy equipment through the water 118 00:06:34,481 --> 00:06:36,352 to sweep for underwater explosives. 119 00:06:36,439 --> 00:06:38,093 [explosive booming] 120 00:06:38,180 --> 00:06:41,401 [light, tense music] 121 00:06:42,750 --> 00:06:47,494 The Marines use the CH-53E Super Stallion 122 00:06:47,581 --> 00:06:50,497 to move people and gear for critical missions. 123 00:06:50,584 --> 00:06:53,456 [serious music] 124 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,772 The 53 dates back to the Cold War. 125 00:07:08,602 --> 00:07:10,691 It can require about 40 man-hours of maintenance 126 00:07:10,778 --> 00:07:12,693 for just one hour of flight time. 127 00:07:14,912 --> 00:07:17,698 - I have so many nights where you have cried and bled 128 00:07:17,785 --> 00:07:22,790 and sweat and cussed at this helicopter. 129 00:07:24,705 --> 00:07:26,750 The mentality in the MH-53 community is that 130 00:07:26,837 --> 00:07:30,580 we fight a battle against the helicopter. 131 00:07:30,667 --> 00:07:33,061 Basically means, she never wants to fly. 132 00:07:36,194 --> 00:07:38,980 And there'd be that day, that one glorious, beautiful, 133 00:07:39,067 --> 00:07:42,418 sunset bluebird day, where you would get four 53s 134 00:07:42,505 --> 00:07:44,594 all fired up at one time. 135 00:07:44,681 --> 00:07:46,117 And everyone comes and lines the hangars, 136 00:07:46,204 --> 00:07:48,598 and everybody's got their phones out. 137 00:07:49,469 --> 00:07:53,124 [slow, somber music] 138 00:07:53,211 --> 00:07:56,084 The sight to just watch these four giant machines, 139 00:07:56,171 --> 00:08:00,305 all at once just rise up, all the sudden become this agile, 140 00:08:00,392 --> 00:08:02,569 powerful behemoth that's just effortlessly 141 00:08:02,656 --> 00:08:04,005 flying through the sky. 142 00:08:04,092 --> 00:08:07,574 [helicopters fluttering] 143 00:08:09,706 --> 00:08:10,838 It's a sign of just strength. 144 00:08:15,016 --> 00:08:19,499 - We had actually visited several times in Norfolk. 145 00:08:19,586 --> 00:08:21,762 We were walking around and looking at the helicopter, 146 00:08:21,849 --> 00:08:27,594 and we had his son with us, and I said to Wes, 147 00:08:27,681 --> 00:08:31,772 "Do they ever have a day when you can fly your family 148 00:08:31,859 --> 00:08:33,861 "and take us for a ride in the helicopter?" 149 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,606 And I will never forget that because Wes turned to me 150 00:08:39,693 --> 00:08:42,739 and he looked me in the eye and he said, 151 00:08:42,826 --> 00:08:47,352 "Mama, I would never take you up in this piece of crap." 152 00:08:47,439 --> 00:08:50,965 [slow, sorrowful music] 153 00:08:51,052 --> 00:08:55,709 And, I just looked back at him, and I didn't know 154 00:08:57,406 --> 00:09:02,150 what to say because that was what he was flying. 155 00:09:02,237 --> 00:09:05,414 [slow, somber music] 156 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:10,375 - [Narrator] The Navy 53s entered service in 1986. 157 00:09:11,638 --> 00:09:15,511 In 2010, when Van Dorn checked into his squadron, 158 00:09:15,598 --> 00:09:19,515 known as HM-14, the helicopters were worn out, 159 00:09:19,602 --> 00:09:21,038 and should've been retired. 160 00:09:23,650 --> 00:09:25,739 - The Navy, in the late 90s, had started to come up 161 00:09:25,826 --> 00:09:29,220 with a plan to replace these helicopters. 162 00:09:29,307 --> 00:09:32,354 And then, when that plan goes out the window, 163 00:09:32,441 --> 00:09:34,574 it's kinda like they're in limbo. 164 00:09:36,010 --> 00:09:40,318 - [Narrator] The Navy tried new ships, mine-sweeping gear, 165 00:09:40,405 --> 00:09:43,539 and towing with less powerful helicopters. 166 00:09:43,626 --> 00:09:46,977 Nothing worked as planned, so they were stuck with the 53. 167 00:09:49,632 --> 00:09:51,416 And because the relic helicopter 168 00:09:51,503 --> 00:09:53,636 was destined to be replaced, 169 00:09:53,723 --> 00:09:56,770 money for spare parts and maintenance was hard to come by. 170 00:09:58,641 --> 00:10:00,512 - Commanding officers of the squadrons 171 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,993 are applying pressure down on these guys 172 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,953 to keep the aircraft going with fewer and fewer resources. 173 00:10:07,432 --> 00:10:09,391 And so, out of that, all these bad habits formed 174 00:10:09,478 --> 00:10:11,741 in which guys were taking shortcuts. 175 00:10:11,828 --> 00:10:16,137 And that's when this culture of just get her done 176 00:10:16,224 --> 00:10:18,095 kind of took hold. 177 00:10:20,489 --> 00:10:23,535 - When I checked into HM-14 I was about as green 178 00:10:23,623 --> 00:10:25,059 as it comes to Naval aviation. 179 00:10:26,451 --> 00:10:27,975 Everybody has these preconceived notions 180 00:10:28,062 --> 00:10:29,977 of what aircraft maintenance is 181 00:10:30,064 --> 00:10:32,414 because you've changed a tire on a car, or changed your oil. 182 00:10:32,501 --> 00:10:33,633 That's not what it is. 183 00:10:35,156 --> 00:10:37,637 There's a million preset publications 184 00:10:37,724 --> 00:10:40,509 that are figured out by engineers, and they've decided 185 00:10:40,596 --> 00:10:41,989 this is the way that you're gonna work on this aircraft. 186 00:10:42,076 --> 00:10:45,862 So, [sighing] to put it mildly, 187 00:10:49,170 --> 00:10:49,997 we didn't do that. 188 00:10:51,781 --> 00:10:55,002 It kinda always turned in to a flight hours first, 189 00:10:55,089 --> 00:10:57,178 safety second kind of a thing. 190 00:10:57,265 --> 00:10:59,093 And it was kinda one of those, as long as nothin' messed up 191 00:10:59,180 --> 00:11:01,356 along the way, and as long as too large of a crowd 192 00:11:01,443 --> 00:11:03,401 didn't see it, it was okay. 193 00:11:04,185 --> 00:11:07,579 [helicopter fluttering] 194 00:11:12,019 --> 00:11:16,066 - [Woman] There's gotta be something wrong. 195 00:11:16,153 --> 00:11:16,850 Shit. 196 00:11:16,937 --> 00:11:18,460 [crashing] 197 00:11:18,547 --> 00:11:20,941 - [Narrator] The 53 has a serious accident 198 00:11:21,028 --> 00:11:24,988 more than twice as often as the average military aircraft. 199 00:11:25,075 --> 00:11:26,903 - Holy fuck. 200 00:11:26,990 --> 00:11:29,776 - [Narrator] Three went down in a two-month span in 2012. 201 00:11:31,560 --> 00:11:34,781 Van Dorn's sister squadron lost one on a runway in Bahrain, 202 00:11:34,868 --> 00:11:38,436 and another in a mountain ravine in Oman. 203 00:11:39,568 --> 00:11:43,093 [speaking foreign language] 204 00:11:44,878 --> 00:11:48,446 Van Dorn's unit lost one too, in a radish field in Korea. 205 00:11:50,579 --> 00:11:52,494 - When you have a string of crashes 206 00:11:52,581 --> 00:11:54,148 in a short amount of time, it doesn't necessarily 207 00:11:54,235 --> 00:11:56,672 give you the warm and fuzzies inside. 208 00:11:56,759 --> 00:11:58,543 And you don't get the warm and fuzzies 209 00:11:58,630 --> 00:12:01,721 when you're on an aircraft and it's having these issues. 210 00:12:02,939 --> 00:12:05,812 And I knew aviation wasn't always the safest thing to do, 211 00:12:05,899 --> 00:12:07,770 but at that time I was young and I was wet behind the ears. 212 00:12:07,857 --> 00:12:10,904 I was just learning, so I didn't ask too many questions. 213 00:12:12,470 --> 00:12:15,822 But I really began to realize there were problems 214 00:12:15,909 --> 00:12:17,562 the summer of 2012. 215 00:12:19,782 --> 00:12:23,655 - [Narrator] HM-14 had to ferry four 53s across the country, 216 00:12:23,743 --> 00:12:24,918 to an exercise in San Diego. 217 00:12:28,922 --> 00:12:32,621 - The aircraft I was on kept getting main gear box chips. 218 00:12:32,708 --> 00:12:34,623 That means the gears are coming apart. 219 00:12:37,669 --> 00:12:40,150 We left Norfolk, Virginia with four aircraft, 220 00:12:40,237 --> 00:12:42,152 and by the time we got to California 221 00:12:42,239 --> 00:12:44,851 we only had one aircraft that was up 222 00:12:44,938 --> 00:12:48,942 and able to do the missions for that exercise. 223 00:12:50,465 --> 00:12:52,946 It's not performing to the capability 224 00:12:53,033 --> 00:12:55,775 that was advertised to you. 225 00:12:56,950 --> 00:12:58,778 Why are we having all these problems? 226 00:13:01,998 --> 00:13:03,608 - He would just come home 227 00:13:03,695 --> 00:13:05,393 and he'd have that frustrated look on his face. 228 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,917 What he was most frustrated about was that 229 00:13:09,049 --> 00:13:10,964 he never got to fly. 230 00:13:11,051 --> 00:13:13,314 He would be on a flight schedule, he would go into work, 231 00:13:13,401 --> 00:13:15,359 he would sit there, and he wouldn't get to fly 232 00:13:15,446 --> 00:13:17,361 because something would be broken. 233 00:13:17,448 --> 00:13:19,755 He would text me and keep me kinda updated 234 00:13:19,842 --> 00:13:21,278 and tell me how many hours late 235 00:13:21,365 --> 00:13:22,845 he was going to be that day. 236 00:13:22,932 --> 00:13:25,021 [slow, somber music] 237 00:13:40,820 --> 00:13:42,604 He didn't have a grand theory 238 00:13:42,691 --> 00:13:44,606 on why exactly they were happening, 239 00:13:44,693 --> 00:13:47,609 but they were little things that happened repeatedly 240 00:13:47,696 --> 00:13:51,134 that he thought was perhaps evidence of a bigger trend. 241 00:13:51,221 --> 00:13:54,442 [slow, somber music] 242 00:13:59,099 --> 00:14:00,187 - [Man] Okay, get out. 243 00:14:00,274 --> 00:14:02,058 - [Man] Watch your step, yeah. 244 00:14:02,145 --> 00:14:03,407 - If that shit is full-- - There's the irrigation ditch 245 00:14:03,494 --> 00:14:04,669 - Huh? - The irrigation ditch. 246 00:14:04,756 --> 00:14:08,456 - The 2012 crash in Korea was the first time 247 00:14:08,543 --> 00:14:10,023 that Wes really put two and two together. 248 00:14:12,634 --> 00:14:15,376 - [Narrator] Van Dorn was one of the first on the scene. 249 00:14:16,377 --> 00:14:17,769 The Navy interviewed him 250 00:14:17,857 --> 00:14:19,554 when they opened their investigation. 251 00:14:23,210 --> 00:14:27,475 - [Interviewer] All right, start off by, say your name. 252 00:14:27,562 --> 00:14:30,478 - [Wes] All right, I'm Lieutenant Wes Van Dorn. 253 00:14:30,565 --> 00:14:32,959 - [Interviewer] What was your take as far as 254 00:14:33,046 --> 00:14:34,830 working with the troops? 255 00:14:34,917 --> 00:14:36,484 - [Wes] They're hard-working young kids. 256 00:14:36,571 --> 00:14:38,616 They at least start out motivated. 257 00:14:38,703 --> 00:14:42,098 But they're only gonna do what's asked of 'em. 258 00:14:42,185 --> 00:14:46,450 And then, senior enlisted, seems like they don't really 259 00:14:46,537 --> 00:14:48,365 care about their junior enlisted. 260 00:14:48,452 --> 00:14:51,455 And I think that's a huge issue in our squadron. 261 00:14:53,631 --> 00:14:56,504 - [Narrator] In his testimony, Van Dorn said he was worried 262 00:14:56,591 --> 00:14:59,986 that enlisted sailors were ignoring the step-by-step guides 263 00:15:00,073 --> 00:15:02,684 on how to care for the 53, 264 00:15:02,771 --> 00:15:05,687 books that sailors and Marines call the pubs. 265 00:15:07,210 --> 00:15:09,560 - [Interviewer] Well, do you do the job per the pub? 266 00:15:09,647 --> 00:15:11,519 - [Wes] Well, yeah. 267 00:15:11,606 --> 00:15:14,261 - [Interviewer] Yeah, but did you do the job per the pub, 268 00:15:14,348 --> 00:15:17,351 step one, step two, step three? 269 00:15:18,134 --> 00:15:19,614 - [Wes] Well, no. 270 00:15:19,701 --> 00:15:22,008 "Listen guys, we all know that's not the pub. 271 00:15:22,095 --> 00:15:23,748 "Why are you guys not doing it?" 272 00:15:23,835 --> 00:15:25,489 "Well sir, it's a lotta work to do it that way. 273 00:15:25,576 --> 00:15:27,883 "It's really hard, we've got planes to fly, 274 00:15:27,970 --> 00:15:30,103 "we've got other stuff to do, we got--" 275 00:15:30,190 --> 00:15:30,407 - [Interviewer] Yeah. 276 00:15:32,409 --> 00:15:34,455 - [Wes] There's a reason why we have these pubs. 277 00:15:34,542 --> 00:15:37,110 If our kids aren't being properly taught how to use 'em, 278 00:15:40,069 --> 00:15:40,809 what's the point? 279 00:15:42,376 --> 00:15:44,639 - [Interviewer] So you're suggesting 280 00:15:44,726 --> 00:15:47,033 that the training failure and the cultural failure 281 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,950 has simply been allowed to perpetuate over time. 282 00:15:52,255 --> 00:15:54,736 - [Wes] The officer leadership has been non-existent. 283 00:15:56,999 --> 00:15:59,262 - [Narrator] Van Dorn felt that senior officers 284 00:15:59,349 --> 00:16:01,395 didn't want to admit that there were problems 285 00:16:01,482 --> 00:16:04,398 at the squadron, or with the 53s. 286 00:16:05,834 --> 00:16:08,706 According to military records, he submitted a memo 287 00:16:08,793 --> 00:16:11,753 to superiors saying, skipper after skipper 288 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,016 has continued to fudge numbers 289 00:16:14,103 --> 00:16:17,411 because they didn't want to be the whistleblower. 290 00:16:17,498 --> 00:16:19,021 - You're fighting an uphill battle, 291 00:16:19,108 --> 00:16:20,631 and you're not getting the things you need, 292 00:16:20,718 --> 00:16:23,547 and you're expected to do more with less. 293 00:16:23,634 --> 00:16:28,639 And, when you mix that in with poor maintenance, 294 00:16:33,166 --> 00:16:35,516 it's a recipe for disaster. 295 00:16:36,908 --> 00:16:40,390 [machine whirring] 296 00:16:40,477 --> 00:16:43,698 [slow, somber music] 297 00:16:46,135 --> 00:16:49,443 - [Narrator] The first fatal crash in a 54E came in 1984. 298 00:16:51,749 --> 00:16:55,275 The helicopter broke apart as it was lifting a truck. 299 00:16:55,362 --> 00:16:56,885 Four Marines died. 300 00:16:58,669 --> 00:17:01,542 A mechanic who recorded a tape about his concerns, 301 00:17:01,629 --> 00:17:03,718 died in a crash two years later. 302 00:17:06,329 --> 00:17:08,375 Congress opened an investigation. 303 00:17:10,072 --> 00:17:14,990 By early 1987, 20 people had died in training accidents 304 00:17:15,077 --> 00:17:15,469 on the 53E. 305 00:17:17,732 --> 00:17:19,995 - A Navy helicopter exploded off the coast of San Francisco 306 00:17:20,082 --> 00:17:22,780 in heavy fog Monday, eight crewmen are missing. 307 00:17:22,867 --> 00:17:25,653 Rescuers do not expect to find any survivors. 308 00:17:25,740 --> 00:17:29,091 - There was pieces of debris from the size of a quarter 309 00:17:29,178 --> 00:17:30,614 to as large as a Volkswagen. 310 00:17:31,615 --> 00:17:34,314 - [Narrator] The death toll ticked upward, 311 00:17:34,401 --> 00:17:37,491 both in the military, and at the manufacturer. 312 00:17:37,578 --> 00:17:41,843 - CH-53E, or Super Stallion helicopter as it is called, 313 00:17:41,930 --> 00:17:44,150 crashed here at Sikorsky this morning, 314 00:17:44,237 --> 00:17:46,369 killing all four people on board. 315 00:17:46,456 --> 00:17:49,111 The helicopter went down during a test flight. 316 00:17:49,198 --> 00:17:52,332 - The helicopter full of Marines, and one Navy sailor, 317 00:17:52,419 --> 00:17:53,942 had gone down. 318 00:17:54,029 --> 00:17:57,076 The sailor and 30 U.S. Marines were killed. 319 00:17:57,163 --> 00:18:00,296 - [Reporter] The CH-53 Super Stallion, like this one-- 320 00:18:00,383 --> 00:18:02,690 - [Narrator] 31 dead in a single crash. 321 00:18:04,126 --> 00:18:06,259 It made for the deadliest day for U.S. troops 322 00:18:06,346 --> 00:18:08,435 in the entire Iraq war. 323 00:18:11,438 --> 00:18:13,353 25 fatal accidents. 324 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,095 Some were the fault of the pilot, 325 00:18:16,182 --> 00:18:17,966 and others, the helicopter. 326 00:18:20,055 --> 00:18:24,146 By the end of 2013, over 100 service members 327 00:18:24,233 --> 00:18:26,540 had been killed on the 53E, 328 00:18:26,627 --> 00:18:28,977 not one the result of enemy fire. 329 00:18:35,418 --> 00:18:38,160 - The burden of everything that he saw going on 330 00:18:38,247 --> 00:18:40,510 weighed heavily on Wes. 331 00:18:40,597 --> 00:18:43,731 [slow, somber music] 332 00:18:51,869 --> 00:18:54,437 He felt like no matter what he said or what he wrote 333 00:18:54,524 --> 00:18:57,092 or who he complained to, nothing was changing. 334 00:18:57,179 --> 00:18:59,355 - [Wes] If anyone should care about what's happening 335 00:18:59,442 --> 00:19:01,227 on that aircraft, it should be me 336 00:19:01,314 --> 00:19:03,142 and the other pilots, I think. 337 00:19:03,229 --> 00:19:04,708 It makes sense to me, 338 00:19:04,795 --> 00:19:06,667 'cause I'm the one who's gonna get in it 339 00:19:06,754 --> 00:19:08,321 and have something terrible happen if it doesn't go right. 340 00:19:11,367 --> 00:19:15,763 [light, somber music] [birds cawing] 341 00:19:15,850 --> 00:19:18,418 - [Reporter] Tens of millions of Americans face a day 342 00:19:18,505 --> 00:19:20,246 of dangerously cold weather. 343 00:19:20,333 --> 00:19:21,899 - [Reporter] Subzero temperatures blanketing 344 00:19:21,986 --> 00:19:23,553 so much of our country. 345 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:25,033 Take a look at these wind chills everywhere. 346 00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:26,730 - [Reporter] Minus 40 or even worse, 347 00:19:26,817 --> 00:19:28,428 and that's causing all sorts of problems 348 00:19:28,515 --> 00:19:30,995 including burst pipes and power outages, 349 00:19:31,082 --> 00:19:32,780 and this is no time-- 350 00:19:32,867 --> 00:19:34,434 - [Narrator] Besides the cold, it was suppose to be 351 00:19:34,521 --> 00:19:35,739 a routine morning. 352 00:19:37,045 --> 00:19:38,873 If the sailors of HM-14 353 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,441 could get their helicopters in the air, 354 00:19:41,528 --> 00:19:45,271 they'd fly a run-of-the-mill mine sweeping exercise. 355 00:19:45,358 --> 00:19:46,794 - When I showed up at the squadron, 356 00:19:46,881 --> 00:19:49,623 found out one of the air crew members, 357 00:19:49,710 --> 00:19:51,712 their pipes had burst at their house, so I filled in, 358 00:19:51,799 --> 00:19:54,367 because I was one of the only available crewmen 359 00:19:54,454 --> 00:19:56,543 at the squadron at that time. 360 00:19:56,630 --> 00:20:00,416 [helicopter whirring] 361 00:20:00,503 --> 00:20:03,463 - [Narrator] Dylan Boone joined air crewman Brian Collins, 362 00:20:03,550 --> 00:20:07,597 crew chief Justin Godfrey, co-pilot Sean Snyder, 363 00:20:07,684 --> 00:20:09,686 with Van Dorn in the pilot's seat. 364 00:20:12,385 --> 00:20:14,604 Mechanic Chris Humme came in early, 365 00:20:14,691 --> 00:20:16,824 and checked to be sure the freezing temperatures 366 00:20:16,911 --> 00:20:19,696 weren't causing extra problems for the helicopters. 367 00:20:20,958 --> 00:20:22,873 - Normal troubleshooting stuff comes up, 368 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:24,484 this light popped on, this circuit breaker pops this, 369 00:20:24,571 --> 00:20:28,227 check this, check this, normal stuff. 370 00:20:28,314 --> 00:20:29,793 But everything appeared to be fine. 371 00:20:31,665 --> 00:20:33,841 I had a pretty good rapport with Lieutenant Van Dorn. 372 00:20:33,928 --> 00:20:36,409 He just wanted to know it was good. 373 00:20:37,671 --> 00:20:39,760 He was like, "Humme, just tell me shit's good. 374 00:20:40,761 --> 00:20:42,153 "You're qualified, I trust you." 375 00:20:42,241 --> 00:20:44,286 "Roger that, sir, shit's good, shit's good." 376 00:20:44,373 --> 00:20:46,332 And I slapped him on the back, 377 00:20:46,419 --> 00:20:48,464 and I turned around and I got outta the cockpit 378 00:20:48,551 --> 00:20:50,771 and I walked off the aircraft and it flew away. 379 00:20:52,294 --> 00:20:56,037 [helicopter fluttering] 380 00:20:56,124 --> 00:21:00,520 - One, one, base, we are proceeding to the tow fields. 381 00:21:03,262 --> 00:21:05,699 I'll tell you what, we'll just stop there at 15 feet, 382 00:21:05,786 --> 00:21:08,136 we got plenty of power comin' to 75. 383 00:21:08,223 --> 00:21:10,269 So we're good. 384 00:21:10,356 --> 00:21:12,183 Tracks set in the water. 385 00:21:12,271 --> 00:21:16,971 - [Man Over Radio] Cleared one, roger 84, should be nice. 386 00:21:18,059 --> 00:21:19,452 - It was just a regular training mission. 387 00:21:22,411 --> 00:21:23,543 I guess that's where some of my anger lies. 388 00:21:26,633 --> 00:21:30,593 Because it could've been avoided, should've been avoided. 389 00:21:32,029 --> 00:21:32,813 [wires sizzling] 390 00:21:32,900 --> 00:21:35,729 [swishing] 391 00:21:35,816 --> 00:21:40,777 I felt some heat blow on my neck and turned around 392 00:21:42,475 --> 00:21:44,477 and saw that we had flames and smoke in the cabin. 393 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:47,567 It was like a flamethrower 394 00:21:47,654 --> 00:21:49,351 that was just eating everything in its path. 395 00:21:50,352 --> 00:21:52,702 [scary music] 396 00:21:55,096 --> 00:21:56,967 And, by the time you know it, 397 00:21:57,054 --> 00:22:00,493 you're just wishing for the fire to go out, and it's not. 398 00:22:00,580 --> 00:22:03,452 And you're just trying to get some air and you can't. 399 00:22:03,539 --> 00:22:07,413 And in a weird, sadistic way you're thankful 400 00:22:07,500 --> 00:22:09,676 that it finally hit something 401 00:22:10,807 --> 00:22:12,505 because it's either you're gonna drown 402 00:22:12,592 --> 00:22:15,421 or the fire's gonna be put out by the water. 403 00:22:15,508 --> 00:22:20,513 And, that was your escape, is a wreck. 404 00:22:21,514 --> 00:22:26,127 [crashing] [water splashing] 405 00:22:28,521 --> 00:22:31,480 I woke up probably about 20 seconds later 406 00:22:31,567 --> 00:22:34,091 about 20 feet under water with the aircraft, 407 00:22:34,178 --> 00:22:36,311 and I swam to the surface. 408 00:22:36,398 --> 00:22:38,618 The water was 40 degrees. 409 00:22:38,705 --> 00:22:40,707 Could hear screams in the distance, didn't know from who. 410 00:22:42,535 --> 00:22:44,537 Eventually, we finally popped a smoke 411 00:22:44,624 --> 00:22:47,975 and our sister aircraft came over 412 00:22:48,062 --> 00:22:49,977 and started radioing for help. 413 00:22:50,064 --> 00:22:51,718 [eerie music] 414 00:22:54,416 --> 00:22:56,157 - [Narrator] The debris field covered the area 415 00:22:56,244 --> 00:22:57,680 of four football fields. 416 00:22:57,767 --> 00:23:00,988 But most of the helicopter quickly sank, 417 00:23:02,598 --> 00:23:05,079 the remnants of the chopper known as Vulcan 5-4-3. 418 00:23:08,212 --> 00:23:10,693 [computer keys clicking] 419 00:23:12,652 --> 00:23:14,697 - One of the newer guys to the squadron comes in 420 00:23:14,784 --> 00:23:18,484 and he says, "4-3's in the water." 421 00:23:18,571 --> 00:23:21,182 I didn't even turn around and I like, "Say what?" 422 00:23:21,269 --> 00:23:23,532 And he said, "4-3's in the water." 423 00:23:23,619 --> 00:23:26,405 And then you just start panicking. 424 00:23:26,492 --> 00:23:28,058 Did I do this? 425 00:23:28,145 --> 00:23:29,582 Did I tell him that shit was good and it wasn't? 426 00:23:32,323 --> 00:23:34,630 And you know you did it right, you just, you don't know. 427 00:23:34,717 --> 00:23:37,372 Because it's a crash, there's a helicopter 428 00:23:37,459 --> 00:23:38,765 that crashed into the ocean 429 00:23:38,852 --> 00:23:40,636 on a day that it's 10 below zero. 430 00:23:40,723 --> 00:23:43,857 And you have this mental picture of these men freezing 431 00:23:43,944 --> 00:23:48,949 in the coldest day, the coldest day that... 432 00:23:49,602 --> 00:23:52,474 [slow, somber music] 433 00:23:57,610 --> 00:24:00,526 - [Dylan] It was the longest 45 minutes of my life. 434 00:24:02,484 --> 00:24:03,529 It was fuckin' cold. 435 00:24:06,619 --> 00:24:10,666 - I got a text message, just said, is Wes okay? 436 00:24:12,494 --> 00:24:14,365 We heard that a 53 went down. 437 00:24:14,453 --> 00:24:16,063 [bold music] 438 00:24:16,150 --> 00:24:17,934 - We're back on the air now with breaking news 439 00:24:18,021 --> 00:24:20,589 where we've learned a military helicopter has gone down 440 00:24:20,676 --> 00:24:23,549 off the coast, five people on board we're told. 441 00:24:23,636 --> 00:24:25,420 - [Reporter] The helicopter went down 442 00:24:25,507 --> 00:24:27,857 about 18 nautical miles off the Virginia Beach coast. 443 00:24:27,944 --> 00:24:29,772 Four of the five helicopter crew members 444 00:24:29,859 --> 00:24:33,384 are already en route to Sentara Norfolk General Hospital. 445 00:24:34,647 --> 00:24:38,128 - Nicole texted me 9-1-1. 446 00:24:38,215 --> 00:24:39,826 I knew I needed to call her. 447 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,047 And, [sniffling] 448 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,878 we just got in the car and started driving 449 00:24:48,965 --> 00:24:50,576 to Virginia Beach. 450 00:24:54,014 --> 00:24:56,320 - I asked a hospital administrator to come back in 451 00:24:56,407 --> 00:24:58,409 and I looked her in the eyes and I said, 452 00:24:59,672 --> 00:25:01,804 "I see these chaplains walking by. 453 00:25:01,891 --> 00:25:03,502 "I don't know what they're here for. 454 00:25:03,589 --> 00:25:06,635 "I've been told that my husband is in surgery. 455 00:25:09,682 --> 00:25:12,598 "But God help you if he's near me 456 00:25:12,685 --> 00:25:13,729 "and I don't get to see him and he dies." 457 00:25:16,689 --> 00:25:18,038 She came back a minute or two later 458 00:25:18,125 --> 00:25:19,605 and she said, "Come with me." 459 00:25:19,692 --> 00:25:20,780 - [Wes] Pool splash, kick, kick, kick. 460 00:25:20,867 --> 00:25:21,868 [child laughing] 461 00:25:21,955 --> 00:25:23,304 Pool splash, pool splash. 462 00:25:23,391 --> 00:25:25,001 - They let me hold his hand 463 00:25:25,088 --> 00:25:28,831 and lay my head on his chest. 464 00:25:30,616 --> 00:25:34,315 And then I saw the, I think he was a neurologist 465 00:25:34,402 --> 00:25:35,882 because he has a little flashlight in his hand 466 00:25:35,969 --> 00:25:37,840 and he kept goin' like this in Wes' eyes. 467 00:25:40,016 --> 00:25:40,713 Hey, bub. 468 00:25:42,410 --> 00:25:44,455 And then he kinda looked at the other doctors 469 00:25:44,543 --> 00:25:46,762 and that's when I knew. 470 00:25:49,852 --> 00:25:52,855 I just, I laid on him for the next seven hours 471 00:25:52,942 --> 00:25:55,075 waiting for his parents to arrive. 472 00:25:55,162 --> 00:26:00,384 And that was when the Navy walked in to notify me 473 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,344 that he had been in a helicopter crash. 474 00:26:03,431 --> 00:26:05,433 [gentle music] 475 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:06,565 - [Reporter] Let's turn our attention 476 00:26:06,652 --> 00:26:08,088 to that deadly helicopter crash. 477 00:26:08,175 --> 00:26:10,569 Today is a struggle for the community. 478 00:26:10,656 --> 00:26:12,527 - Just kinda sittin' there numb. 479 00:26:13,833 --> 00:26:15,835 My wife came home and I was sitting in, basically, the dark. 480 00:26:18,751 --> 00:26:22,102 And I just couldn't hold it back, I just started bawling 481 00:26:22,189 --> 00:26:23,103 like a child. 482 00:26:25,758 --> 00:26:27,586 I just remember saying over and over again, 483 00:26:27,673 --> 00:26:29,675 "They're dead, they're hurt, they're dead, they're hurt. 484 00:26:29,762 --> 00:26:32,373 "I don't know if I did it, it could've been me. 485 00:26:32,460 --> 00:26:33,896 "What if I did it?" 486 00:26:33,983 --> 00:26:35,463 The mechanic in you, the perfectionist in you, 487 00:26:35,550 --> 00:26:36,638 you just can't stop thinking about, 488 00:26:36,725 --> 00:26:38,553 could I have stopped this? 489 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,556 Could I have changed something that made this different? 490 00:26:41,643 --> 00:26:43,776 [slow, somber music] 491 00:26:44,907 --> 00:26:47,388 - [Narrator] It would be eight months 492 00:26:47,475 --> 00:26:48,824 before Humme knew for sure that he wasn't at fault. 493 00:26:53,481 --> 00:26:55,526 All he knew then was that three sailors 494 00:26:55,614 --> 00:26:57,224 had died in the crash. 495 00:26:57,311 --> 00:27:00,488 [slow, somber music] 496 00:27:02,142 --> 00:27:06,886 Air crewman Brian Collins from Truckee, California, was 25. 497 00:27:06,973 --> 00:27:08,801 He'd just celebrated his first wedding anniversary. 498 00:27:11,325 --> 00:27:14,284 Co-pilot, Sean Snyder, also from California, 499 00:27:14,371 --> 00:27:17,679 was 39, and the father of four. 500 00:27:17,766 --> 00:27:20,639 He was found with the wreckage a week after the accident. 501 00:27:22,815 --> 00:27:25,992 Van Dorn died a month shy of his 30th birthday. 502 00:27:28,516 --> 00:27:30,779 At the Naval Academy's Memorial Hall, 503 00:27:30,866 --> 00:27:34,391 which commemorates graduates who died in the line of duty, 504 00:27:34,478 --> 00:27:36,829 Van Dorn's name was etched into the wall. 505 00:27:38,831 --> 00:27:40,833 He was the first in his class to die. 506 00:27:54,020 --> 00:27:56,283 - Hey Scott, it's Mike Hixenbaugh at the Pilot. 507 00:27:56,370 --> 00:27:57,763 I left a message on your cell. 508 00:27:57,850 --> 00:28:00,853 I was sitting at my desk on January 8, 2014, 509 00:28:00,940 --> 00:28:03,769 and an alert goes out on Twitter from the Navy 510 00:28:03,856 --> 00:28:06,075 saying that a helicopter had crashed 511 00:28:06,162 --> 00:28:08,382 off the coast of Virginia. 512 00:28:10,558 --> 00:28:12,952 - [Narrator] Just two months earlier, military reporter 513 00:28:13,039 --> 00:28:15,955 Mike Hixenbaugh had written his first major article 514 00:28:16,042 --> 00:28:17,391 on the 53. 515 00:28:18,784 --> 00:28:21,090 It detailed its history and problems. 516 00:28:22,744 --> 00:28:25,486 He'd interviewed Navy Captain Todd Flannery, 517 00:28:25,573 --> 00:28:28,315 the East Coast's top helicopter pilot. 518 00:28:28,402 --> 00:28:30,752 - And, he said, "We've come a long way, 519 00:28:30,839 --> 00:28:32,406 "but we still have a long way to go. 520 00:28:32,493 --> 00:28:34,234 "But we're heading in the right direction." 521 00:28:34,321 --> 00:28:36,802 - A military helicopter has gone down off the coast, 522 00:28:36,889 --> 00:28:38,151 five people on board. 523 00:28:38,238 --> 00:28:40,501 - When that alert came through, 524 00:28:40,588 --> 00:28:42,503 the thoughts rushing through my mind are 525 00:28:42,590 --> 00:28:44,157 going back to my interview with Flannery 526 00:28:44,244 --> 00:28:46,159 just two months earlier when he's telling me 527 00:28:46,246 --> 00:28:47,987 that all the problems that they've had 528 00:28:48,074 --> 00:28:49,728 with these helicopters, all of the cultural issues, 529 00:28:49,815 --> 00:28:52,818 the leadership problems, the maintenance issues. 530 00:28:52,905 --> 00:28:56,996 And my mind is racing, thinking, what happened here? 531 00:28:57,083 --> 00:28:59,694 - Good afternoon everyone, I'm Captain Todd Flannery, 532 00:28:59,781 --> 00:29:02,828 Commander, Helicopter Sea Combat Wing Atlantic. 533 00:29:02,915 --> 00:29:04,525 I'm joined by-- 534 00:29:04,612 --> 00:29:06,396 - [Mike] I remember asking Flannery that day-- 535 00:29:06,483 --> 00:29:08,790 - Today has definitely been a tough day on all of us. 536 00:29:08,877 --> 00:29:11,532 - Whether he felt like these aircraft were safe. 537 00:29:11,619 --> 00:29:12,968 Do you have any concerns 538 00:29:13,055 --> 00:29:15,275 about the safety of these aircraft? 539 00:29:15,362 --> 00:29:17,756 - No, I don't, I do not. 540 00:29:17,843 --> 00:29:19,888 - Even on that day, he maintained that, 541 00:29:19,975 --> 00:29:23,457 "Yes, I believe that these are safe aircraft." 542 00:29:25,285 --> 00:29:29,768 I started working on a story that, 543 00:29:29,855 --> 00:29:32,422 in much more detail than I'd previously done, 544 00:29:32,509 --> 00:29:34,294 told the story of the Sea Dragon. 545 00:29:34,381 --> 00:29:36,992 It was about a month after the crash when it published. 546 00:29:38,907 --> 00:29:40,387 - [Narrator] The front-page spread 547 00:29:40,474 --> 00:29:44,043 caught the attention of Nicole Van Dorn. 548 00:29:44,130 --> 00:29:45,914 - He wasn't just accepting the facts given to him 549 00:29:46,001 --> 00:29:51,311 by the Navy at face value, was inquisitive. 550 00:29:51,398 --> 00:29:53,835 Maybe he's willing to break the mold. 551 00:29:53,922 --> 00:29:57,230 Someone who's professional enough to not just chase a story 552 00:29:57,317 --> 00:29:59,885 that isn't there, but if there is truth to it, 553 00:29:59,972 --> 00:30:02,583 I also want someone who's not afraid to dig deeper. 554 00:30:03,889 --> 00:30:05,760 - It was a day or two after that, late one evening, 555 00:30:05,847 --> 00:30:09,242 I got a text message from a number I didn't recognize, 556 00:30:09,329 --> 00:30:10,852 and it was Nicole Van Dorn. 557 00:30:10,939 --> 00:30:13,376 - My husband expressed to me before he died 558 00:30:13,463 --> 00:30:15,770 that he was really worried about things going on 559 00:30:15,857 --> 00:30:18,773 in the squadron, and he kept copious records, 560 00:30:18,860 --> 00:30:20,775 and I don't know if I have anything, 561 00:30:20,862 --> 00:30:22,211 but I also need a place to bring it all. 562 00:30:22,298 --> 00:30:25,649 - The text sent chills up my spine. 563 00:30:25,736 --> 00:30:30,741 It's a tragedy, it's a guy who sees a problem, 564 00:30:32,004 --> 00:30:34,528 commits to trying to fix it, and the problem kills him. 565 00:30:35,877 --> 00:30:37,009 - I guess from the very beginning I just, 566 00:30:39,707 --> 00:30:41,013 I assumed that if I wanted answers, 567 00:30:43,667 --> 00:30:47,454 really transparent, truthful answers, 568 00:30:47,541 --> 00:30:49,369 I was gonna have to get them myself. 569 00:30:51,893 --> 00:30:53,460 Once the helicopter was recovered 570 00:30:53,547 --> 00:30:55,854 and it was in a hangar, I said, "I wanna see it. 571 00:30:57,551 --> 00:31:00,554 "I wanna know what actually caused the crash. 572 00:31:00,641 --> 00:31:03,078 "If it was Wes' fault, I wanna know it was Wes' fault. 573 00:31:03,165 --> 00:31:05,689 "If it was one of the air crewmen's fault, I wanna know. 574 00:31:05,776 --> 00:31:08,475 "If it was a failing of the airframe, I wanna know." 575 00:31:08,562 --> 00:31:11,391 - I-I-I care not to speculate on that. 576 00:31:12,566 --> 00:31:14,655 - [Narrator] To get the answers she was seeking, 577 00:31:14,742 --> 00:31:17,440 Nicole pressed Captain Flannery for updates. 578 00:31:18,659 --> 00:31:21,967 - He was very kind and he called me a lot, 579 00:31:22,054 --> 00:31:25,535 and when I went to see the wreckage he said, 580 00:31:25,622 --> 00:31:27,798 "The way it's looking is that Wes was not at fault. 581 00:31:27,886 --> 00:31:30,497 "I want you to know that to help you rest easy." 582 00:31:30,584 --> 00:31:31,933 That he did nothing wrong, 583 00:31:32,020 --> 00:31:33,761 that it was just a freak accident. 584 00:31:35,067 --> 00:31:39,071 That's where the truth stopped for me because, I don't, 585 00:31:41,464 --> 00:31:42,901 after everything that Wes had said to me, 586 00:31:42,988 --> 00:31:45,164 and everything that I knew about the airframe, 587 00:31:45,251 --> 00:31:47,557 there was just no way in my mind 588 00:31:47,644 --> 00:31:50,343 that it could've just been a freak accident. 589 00:31:50,430 --> 00:31:52,780 [slow, somber music] 590 00:31:52,867 --> 00:31:54,608 - [Narrator] Navy investigators ruled out 591 00:31:54,695 --> 00:31:58,046 problems with the engines, swashplate, and tail rotor, 592 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,398 issues that had plagued the 53 in the past. 593 00:32:05,401 --> 00:32:09,623 - I took a picture of where I thought everything went wrong. 594 00:32:10,885 --> 00:32:15,803 One of these zip ties is what started everything. 595 00:32:19,372 --> 00:32:21,156 - [Narrator] The confidential Navy report 596 00:32:21,243 --> 00:32:23,593 found that a simple plastic zip tie 597 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,073 unleashed the unlikely chain of events. 598 00:32:27,119 --> 00:32:28,947 [zip tie clicking] 599 00:32:29,034 --> 00:32:32,124 The tiny nylon strap secured a bundle of electrical wires 600 00:32:32,211 --> 00:32:33,777 near a metal fuel tube. 601 00:32:34,822 --> 00:32:37,477 Under constant vibration during flight, 602 00:32:37,564 --> 00:32:41,263 the zip tie cut away the wires' protective insulation, 603 00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:43,352 and wore a hole in the fuel line. 604 00:32:44,832 --> 00:32:47,922 Through that tiny hole, a pressurized mist of jet fuel 605 00:32:48,009 --> 00:32:52,144 escaped into the cabin and arched with the exposed wires. 606 00:32:52,231 --> 00:32:54,059 - So the fire took place here. 607 00:32:54,146 --> 00:32:55,712 The report tells you there was a fireball that happened. 608 00:32:55,799 --> 00:32:58,715 You can see how close to the cockpit it is, 609 00:32:58,802 --> 00:33:01,718 relatively, compared to the size of the helicopter. 610 00:33:01,805 --> 00:33:03,416 - Is there no way of just going. 611 00:33:03,503 --> 00:33:05,809 I asked the captain again, "Are you confident 612 00:33:05,896 --> 00:33:09,770 "in the safety of this aircraft," and he said, "Yes." 613 00:33:09,857 --> 00:33:11,163 - Admittedly it is an aging aircraft, 614 00:33:11,250 --> 00:33:13,339 and requires extensive maintenance, 615 00:33:13,426 --> 00:33:15,994 but continues to perform a vital mission 616 00:33:16,081 --> 00:33:17,778 that no other helicopter 617 00:33:17,865 --> 00:33:20,955 in the U.S. military inventory can accomplish. 618 00:33:21,042 --> 00:33:23,827 - Very hard to think that your son lost his life 619 00:33:23,914 --> 00:33:26,482 because of cracked wiring and a zip tie. 620 00:33:30,269 --> 00:33:33,228 - [Narrator] The Navy ordered the inspection of all 53s 621 00:33:33,315 --> 00:33:34,751 for signs of chafing. 622 00:33:36,057 --> 00:33:38,364 [clicking] 623 00:33:39,887 --> 00:33:42,542 After the first anniversary of the crash, 624 00:33:42,629 --> 00:33:46,067 Wes Van Dorn's story went national. 625 00:33:46,154 --> 00:33:49,070 [slow, somber music] 626 00:33:53,901 --> 00:33:55,946 - Now to an NBC News investigation 627 00:33:56,034 --> 00:33:58,906 in partnership with the Virginian-Pilot newspaper 628 00:33:58,993 --> 00:34:01,604 and the Berkeley Investigative Reporting Program. 629 00:34:01,691 --> 00:34:03,215 - [Reporter] ] Captain Todd Flannery was in charge 630 00:34:03,302 --> 00:34:04,738 of Van Dorn's Sea Dragon squadron. 631 00:34:04,825 --> 00:34:07,784 He took us inside one of the huge helicopters. 632 00:34:07,871 --> 00:34:09,743 But in the case of the Sea Dragon, 633 00:34:09,830 --> 00:34:13,921 it was the worst safety record of any aircraft in the Navy. 634 00:34:15,836 --> 00:34:17,229 - It does. 635 00:34:17,316 --> 00:34:18,708 - Five people killed in four crashes 636 00:34:18,795 --> 00:34:20,014 in the course of two years. 637 00:34:20,101 --> 00:34:21,972 - Yes. 638 00:34:22,060 --> 00:34:23,844 - Those are odds I don't think most of us would wanna take. 639 00:34:23,931 --> 00:34:26,151 - They are not good, those numbers are not good at all. 640 00:34:26,238 --> 00:34:28,675 - How many crashes do we have to have? 641 00:34:29,937 --> 00:34:32,505 - We can't have another crash, we just can't. 642 00:34:32,592 --> 00:34:35,508 [deep, somber music] 643 00:34:35,595 --> 00:34:38,032 - In the days after the story published, 644 00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:41,166 several people kind of came out of the woodwork. 645 00:34:41,253 --> 00:34:45,083 [deep, somber orchestral music] 646 00:35:13,154 --> 00:35:17,463 One of the sources provided documents that showed 647 00:35:17,550 --> 00:35:20,553 that the wiring fuel line problems hadn't been fixed, 648 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,816 the very kind that caused the crash. 649 00:35:23,817 --> 00:35:27,908 [deep, somber orchestral music] 650 00:35:32,173 --> 00:35:36,525 These aircraft were still flying and nothing had changed. 651 00:35:40,312 --> 00:35:42,009 - I got up in the morning, 652 00:35:42,096 --> 00:35:43,706 I'm having a cup of coffee and I read this article, 653 00:35:43,793 --> 00:35:45,491 and I'm like, okay, that's a Marine airplane, 654 00:35:45,578 --> 00:35:47,101 we have a problem. 655 00:35:47,188 --> 00:35:49,059 And I called my Navy counterparts and said, 656 00:35:49,147 --> 00:35:51,888 "We have a problem here and we need to get it fixed." 657 00:35:53,281 --> 00:35:54,630 - [Narrator] No one was more surprised 658 00:35:54,717 --> 00:35:56,458 to learn about the failed inspection effort 659 00:35:56,545 --> 00:35:59,418 than Lieutenant General Jon Davis. 660 00:35:59,505 --> 00:36:01,898 He was named the Marine Corps' top aviator 661 00:36:01,985 --> 00:36:04,901 five months after Van Dorn's crash. 662 00:36:04,988 --> 00:36:08,949 He was responsible for the fleet of Marine 53s. 663 00:36:09,036 --> 00:36:11,865 Now retired, he was the only senior officer 664 00:36:11,952 --> 00:36:14,041 willing to be interviewed for this film. 665 00:36:15,521 --> 00:36:18,741 - Try not to lose my composure, but I was unhappy. 666 00:36:18,828 --> 00:36:20,613 I was concerned. 667 00:36:20,700 --> 00:36:24,356 From hey, we're good to, we're not so good. 668 00:36:25,705 --> 00:36:27,489 An independent person out there taking pictures 669 00:36:27,576 --> 00:36:30,318 found things that aren't in line with what we thought, 670 00:36:30,405 --> 00:36:32,494 people thought the standard should be. 671 00:36:32,581 --> 00:36:35,541 So yeah, I wanted facts, I wanted data, I wanted it quickly. 672 00:36:36,759 --> 00:36:38,674 - [Narrator] Davis grounded the fleet. 673 00:36:39,458 --> 00:36:41,416 Sailors and Marines spent months 674 00:36:41,503 --> 00:36:43,418 looking for signs of chafing, 675 00:36:43,505 --> 00:36:45,768 while pilots were on the sidelines. 676 00:36:47,335 --> 00:36:48,945 - No one's gonna fly until we find out 677 00:36:49,032 --> 00:36:50,643 if we've got a problem out there in the fleet, 678 00:36:50,730 --> 00:36:52,384 which was the responsible thing to do. 679 00:36:52,471 --> 00:36:54,342 Stop, everybody stop. 680 00:36:54,429 --> 00:36:57,432 And no one in the Marine Corp faulted me for that, nobody. 681 00:36:59,565 --> 00:37:01,175 - [Narrator] But there's clear evidence that the Navy 682 00:37:01,262 --> 00:37:03,482 and Marines knew for decades, 683 00:37:03,569 --> 00:37:06,224 even when the 53 was still in prototype stage, 684 00:37:06,311 --> 00:37:08,356 that there was another problem. 685 00:37:08,443 --> 00:37:12,404 The type of wiring on the helicopters was a serious threat. 686 00:37:13,492 --> 00:37:15,276 - This is a piece of Kapton-insulated wire. 687 00:37:15,363 --> 00:37:18,061 It's still made to this day and flies on over a third 688 00:37:18,148 --> 00:37:19,585 of the world's commercial planes. 689 00:37:20,716 --> 00:37:22,762 - [Narrator] The BBC used the Navy's research 690 00:37:22,849 --> 00:37:25,591 when it published a report on a wiring type known as Kapton. 691 00:37:27,854 --> 00:37:30,248 - Kapton is best when young, it's featherweight, 692 00:37:30,335 --> 00:37:32,859 the thickness of only about three human hairs, 693 00:37:32,946 --> 00:37:34,861 flame resistant, tough. 694 00:37:34,948 --> 00:37:38,168 That was the good news, and this is the bad. 695 00:37:38,256 --> 00:37:40,649 [sizzling] 696 00:37:40,736 --> 00:37:43,435 The Kapton insulation can explode like a firework 697 00:37:43,522 --> 00:37:46,307 if it's chafed and rubs against metal. 698 00:37:47,526 --> 00:37:49,354 - [Narrator] Particularly bad for the Navy, 699 00:37:49,441 --> 00:37:51,138 tests showed that the problems get worse 700 00:37:51,225 --> 00:37:53,227 in wet environments. 701 00:37:53,314 --> 00:37:55,229 [sizzling] 702 00:37:55,316 --> 00:37:57,971 - [BBC Reporter] Kapton insulation burned to a crisp. 703 00:37:59,451 --> 00:38:01,888 - [Narrator] In the late 80s, the Navy decided 704 00:38:01,975 --> 00:38:05,587 to discontinue the use of Kapton wire in its aircraft. 705 00:38:07,459 --> 00:38:09,896 But the ban was a half measure. 706 00:38:09,983 --> 00:38:13,552 It applied only to new 53s and repairs, 707 00:38:13,639 --> 00:38:16,642 not to the 151 helicopters built with Kapton. 708 00:38:18,861 --> 00:38:22,735 - If everybody knows that this wiring insulation is bad, 709 00:38:22,822 --> 00:38:25,738 it shouldn't be used, then everybody that's in the chain 710 00:38:25,825 --> 00:38:29,481 of it should know better, and should not let it happen. 711 00:38:31,134 --> 00:38:33,615 - [Narrator] Louis Franecke argued before the Supreme Court 712 00:38:33,702 --> 00:38:36,836 in a case involving an earlier version of the 53. 713 00:38:38,838 --> 00:38:42,058 He sued the manufacturer, claiming a design flaw 714 00:38:42,145 --> 00:38:43,538 led to a pilot's death. 715 00:38:45,410 --> 00:38:47,281 - You can't sue the military for things that go wrong. 716 00:38:47,368 --> 00:38:48,326 - Hand salute. 717 00:38:49,979 --> 00:38:52,025 - Some lieutenant says, "Go run over that hill," 718 00:38:52,112 --> 00:38:53,548 and you get shot. 719 00:38:53,635 --> 00:38:55,245 Maybe it wasn't the right thing to do, 720 00:38:55,333 --> 00:38:57,030 he should've said, "Run over the other hill," 721 00:38:57,117 --> 00:38:59,119 and you wouldn't get shot, you can't sue for that. 722 00:38:59,206 --> 00:39:00,599 We all accept that. 723 00:39:00,686 --> 00:39:02,209 But the products are something else. 724 00:39:02,296 --> 00:39:04,777 - [Man] More arching and burning occurred, 725 00:39:04,864 --> 00:39:08,911 which re-tripped this breaker, and caused four more to trip. 726 00:39:08,998 --> 00:39:10,435 - They're not volunteering to be killed 727 00:39:10,522 --> 00:39:11,871 by their own military 728 00:39:11,958 --> 00:39:14,134 or the military products that're supplied. 729 00:39:15,875 --> 00:39:18,268 - [Narrator] Franecke lost the case. 730 00:39:18,356 --> 00:39:20,880 The Court found in favor of the manufacturer. 731 00:39:23,099 --> 00:39:27,321 Like the military, government contractors were now immune 732 00:39:27,408 --> 00:39:29,584 as long as they followed design specs, 733 00:39:29,671 --> 00:39:31,543 and the government had knowledge of potential dangers. 734 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,330 - The families who have lost a loved one 735 00:39:36,417 --> 00:39:38,419 because of a defective military product 736 00:39:38,506 --> 00:39:40,726 have essentially no recourse. 737 00:39:40,813 --> 00:39:44,338 They are the least powerful to ever stop using it 738 00:39:44,425 --> 00:39:46,471 or have something changed. 739 00:39:46,558 --> 00:39:48,995 The game is rigged, it's rigged against them. 740 00:39:49,082 --> 00:39:51,824 The people who are really hurt have no power. 741 00:39:54,435 --> 00:39:55,523 - [Interviewer] Should he still be alive? 742 00:39:55,610 --> 00:39:56,568 - Sure, of course he should be. 743 00:39:58,091 --> 00:40:00,006 He should be alive because that product 744 00:40:00,093 --> 00:40:03,488 shouldn't have that insulation that causes that problem. 745 00:40:03,575 --> 00:40:04,924 Could he have been killed by something else? 746 00:40:05,011 --> 00:40:07,361 Maybe, but that's not what did it. 747 00:40:07,448 --> 00:40:10,756 What did it, is a history of people ignoring 748 00:40:10,843 --> 00:40:14,107 what needed to be done, and should've been fixed. 749 00:40:16,457 --> 00:40:18,503 - [Narrator] Court records show that Sikorsky, 750 00:40:18,590 --> 00:40:21,506 the manufacturer, twice recommended replacing Kapton 751 00:40:21,593 --> 00:40:25,858 on the 53, after learning of safety issues. 752 00:40:25,945 --> 00:40:28,687 That was more than three decades before Van Dorn's crash. 753 00:40:30,906 --> 00:40:34,693 After a third proposal, the Navy decided to explore removal. 754 00:40:38,261 --> 00:40:41,613 Navy safety records reveal that Kapton has been involved 755 00:40:41,700 --> 00:40:44,137 in more than 50 incidents on the aircraft. 756 00:40:45,704 --> 00:40:48,794 One report from 1999 foreshadowed Van Dorn's accident. 757 00:40:50,796 --> 00:40:52,885 - It's almost as if I'm reading 758 00:40:52,972 --> 00:40:56,454 the Safety Investigation Report from Wes' crash. 759 00:40:57,759 --> 00:41:00,545 "The location of the hole on the pipe indicates 760 00:41:00,632 --> 00:41:02,155 "chafing had occurred during normal 761 00:41:02,242 --> 00:41:03,765 "aircraft vibrations in flight." 762 00:41:05,767 --> 00:41:09,249 - One of the plastic zip ties wrapped around the wire bundle 763 00:41:09,336 --> 00:41:10,685 rubbed against the pipe. 764 00:41:10,772 --> 00:41:12,687 Over an unknown period of time, 765 00:41:12,774 --> 00:41:14,559 these components became soaked with fuel, 766 00:41:14,646 --> 00:41:16,343 and they eventually ignited. 767 00:41:18,780 --> 00:41:21,783 Well I'm glad the damage was minor for them. 768 00:41:23,219 --> 00:41:24,786 I wish that would've been our case. 769 00:41:26,309 --> 00:41:29,922 I would take that over, that's shitty. 770 00:41:33,708 --> 00:41:37,930 Why wasn't this, was this ever addressed? 771 00:41:40,062 --> 00:41:40,802 I don't think so. 772 00:41:43,370 --> 00:41:45,503 That was 15 years. 773 00:41:48,549 --> 00:41:50,072 - [Narrator] The investigation into Boone 774 00:41:50,159 --> 00:41:52,814 and Van Dorn's crash never mentions Kapton. 775 00:41:54,512 --> 00:41:56,426 The maintenance log shows that some of the wiring 776 00:41:56,514 --> 00:41:58,820 had been replaced, though not at the site of the explosion. 777 00:42:00,779 --> 00:42:02,781 - [Interviewer] Why would it have still been 778 00:42:02,868 --> 00:42:05,610 on that MH-53E that crashed in Virginia? 779 00:42:05,697 --> 00:42:10,615 - I don't know, I don't know the why. 780 00:42:10,702 --> 00:42:13,661 And I didn't know about Kapton wiring problems, per se. 781 00:42:13,748 --> 00:42:17,926 I knew we had a plan to replace our Kapton wiring by 2019. 782 00:42:20,973 --> 00:42:23,541 - [Narrator] After we interviewed General Davis, 783 00:42:23,628 --> 00:42:27,457 we found a Navy memo from 2009 that sounded the alarm 784 00:42:27,545 --> 00:42:29,372 about Kapton's dangers. 785 00:42:29,459 --> 00:42:32,550 [suspenseful music] 786 00:42:36,423 --> 00:42:38,643 Senior officers signed the document, 787 00:42:38,730 --> 00:42:41,733 approving a plan to only gradually replace Kapton. 788 00:42:43,125 --> 00:42:46,041 One of the signatures belonged to General Davis. 789 00:42:48,740 --> 00:42:50,568 We went back to him and Davis said 790 00:42:50,655 --> 00:42:52,657 he doesn't recall the memo, 791 00:42:52,744 --> 00:42:55,660 but he said that replacing Kapton in phases, 792 00:42:55,747 --> 00:42:58,010 and implementing two other safety measures, 793 00:42:58,097 --> 00:42:59,446 seemed reasonable. 794 00:42:59,533 --> 00:43:01,317 [popping and crackling] 795 00:43:01,404 --> 00:43:04,669 Despite the tests, warnings, and decades of knowledge, 796 00:43:04,756 --> 00:43:06,845 the Navy said it never had enough money 797 00:43:06,932 --> 00:43:08,803 to replace all the wiring in the 53s. 798 00:43:11,458 --> 00:43:12,894 - One of the things Captain Flannery told me 799 00:43:12,981 --> 00:43:15,680 when I sat down with him back in 2013, 800 00:43:15,767 --> 00:43:18,683 was that the Sea Dragon, for several years had been 801 00:43:18,770 --> 00:43:19,771 what he called a "bill payer." 802 00:43:22,687 --> 00:43:26,560 So in other words, funding to say replace Kapton wiring 803 00:43:26,647 --> 00:43:29,607 would be rerouted someplace else. 804 00:43:30,912 --> 00:43:32,871 'Cause the Sea Dragons were gonna go away. 805 00:43:32,958 --> 00:43:35,525 And so that money would be put to some other need, 806 00:43:35,613 --> 00:43:39,617 some other mission, some other more high profile platform. 807 00:43:41,749 --> 00:43:43,882 - [Narrator] The Navy called Kapton the highest ranked 808 00:43:43,969 --> 00:43:45,623 safety risk in the fleet. 809 00:43:46,754 --> 00:43:49,061 But just months before Van Dorn's crash, 810 00:43:49,148 --> 00:43:53,195 the Pentagon diverted funds away from Kapton replacement, 811 00:43:53,282 --> 00:43:56,721 further delaying the effort to remove the deadly wiring. 812 00:43:57,896 --> 00:43:57,983 - How dare you. 813 00:44:01,987 --> 00:44:04,424 [sniffling] 814 00:44:04,511 --> 00:44:06,992 It's just irresponsible. 815 00:44:07,079 --> 00:44:09,559 [slow, somber music] 816 00:44:09,647 --> 00:44:11,561 I just don't see how you can 817 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,393 not maintain the military equipment 818 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,701 that all of these fine people's lives depend on 819 00:44:20,788 --> 00:44:22,747 to the upmost of our ability. 820 00:44:24,749 --> 00:44:26,925 - I look at the moon, it looks like a boat. 821 00:44:28,622 --> 00:44:32,844 My dad's arms, my dad's arms are like a boat too. 822 00:44:34,062 --> 00:44:38,458 I think any widow would tell you 823 00:44:38,545 --> 00:44:42,375 that it doesn't get easier. 824 00:44:43,419 --> 00:44:46,422 The sting is still the same. 825 00:44:46,509 --> 00:44:50,775 My dad looks at me, and I climb onto his lap. 826 00:44:50,862 --> 00:44:53,473 I've had something to connect with Wes through, 827 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,475 which is trying to finish his work 828 00:44:55,562 --> 00:44:58,130 and trying to get his voice out there. 829 00:44:58,217 --> 00:44:59,348 - [Interviewer] How will you know 830 00:44:59,435 --> 00:45:02,003 when your work now is complete? 831 00:45:03,265 --> 00:45:06,704 - I think I'll know that it's complete 832 00:45:08,488 --> 00:45:11,099 when people stop coming to me with concerns. 833 00:45:11,186 --> 00:45:12,840 Night babe, love you. 834 00:45:12,927 --> 00:45:14,973 - [Child] Love you too. 835 00:45:15,060 --> 00:45:17,976 [deep, somber music] 836 00:45:19,151 --> 00:45:22,850 - I read the full story in the Virginia-Pilot. 837 00:45:22,937 --> 00:45:26,680 And I was like, "Van Dorn, I remember that accident," 838 00:45:26,767 --> 00:45:29,161 and said, "Hey, this may be more than just a Navy issue. 839 00:45:29,248 --> 00:45:33,339 "This may be a 53-wide issue, across both communities, 840 00:45:33,426 --> 00:45:34,993 the Marine Corp and the Navy. 841 00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,343 And that kinda prompted me to contact Mike, 842 00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:39,737 and then get in touch with Nicole after that. 843 00:45:42,174 --> 00:45:44,524 - [Narrator] Captain James Skelton flew the Marine version 844 00:45:44,611 --> 00:45:46,047 of the 53 for seven years. 845 00:45:48,354 --> 00:45:50,530 As a quality assurance officer, 846 00:45:50,617 --> 00:45:53,838 he kept a sharp eye on maintenance and safety, 847 00:45:53,925 --> 00:45:57,015 and he found himself at odds with leaders primarily focused 848 00:45:57,102 --> 00:45:57,929 on getting aircraft in the air. 849 00:46:00,235 --> 00:46:03,369 - In the infantry, you can smash a guy for complaining. 850 00:46:03,456 --> 00:46:04,936 Boo hoo, cry me a river, I don't give a damn. 851 00:46:05,023 --> 00:46:06,589 Get your ass back out on the front line. 852 00:46:06,676 --> 00:46:09,549 That's fine, that's how it's suppose to be. 853 00:46:09,636 --> 00:46:11,769 [wind whipping] [sand sprinkling] 854 00:46:11,856 --> 00:46:13,161 But, if you're in the aviation environment, 855 00:46:13,248 --> 00:46:14,772 it doesn't work that way. 856 00:46:14,859 --> 00:46:16,730 The lowest guy should be able to bring up 857 00:46:16,817 --> 00:46:19,951 the biggest problem, to anyone he needs to bring it up to. 858 00:46:24,433 --> 00:46:26,479 - When you start out as a pilot, you're young. 859 00:46:26,566 --> 00:46:28,263 You're a young, impressionable Marine, 860 00:46:28,350 --> 00:46:30,657 you're a first lieutenant, you're definitely in a position 861 00:46:30,744 --> 00:46:32,659 where you're not gonna question authority. 862 00:46:37,490 --> 00:46:39,231 Once you get a little bit older, 863 00:46:39,318 --> 00:46:41,146 and once you become a helicopter aircraft commander, 864 00:46:41,233 --> 00:46:42,800 there's responsibilities imparted on you 865 00:46:42,887 --> 00:46:44,889 that are more than just saying, "Yes, sir." 866 00:46:44,976 --> 00:46:46,804 It's not that you don't say, "Yes, sir," 867 00:46:46,891 --> 00:46:48,457 'cause you definitely do, and I firmly believe in that. 868 00:46:48,544 --> 00:46:50,633 But you're not just a yes man at that point. 869 00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:53,071 Especially in my ability as a quality assurance officer, 870 00:46:53,158 --> 00:46:55,725 I'm responsible for the ultimate safety of that helicopter 871 00:46:55,813 --> 00:46:57,597 and the Marines that get on it. 872 00:46:58,903 --> 00:47:00,774 You have to have the folks who will stop something 873 00:47:00,861 --> 00:47:02,907 if there's a train wreck about to happen. 874 00:47:02,994 --> 00:47:05,823 [deep, serious music] 875 00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:07,912 - [Narrator] Enlisted Marines in Skelton's unit 876 00:47:07,999 --> 00:47:09,391 complained about a culture 877 00:47:09,478 --> 00:47:11,524 that chose flight hours over safety. 878 00:47:12,917 --> 00:47:16,746 They said they were belittled, humiliated, and slapped down 879 00:47:16,834 --> 00:47:19,793 when they tried to point out safety problems. 880 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,840 More than a dozen wrote letters about their concerns, 881 00:47:22,927 --> 00:47:25,625 and dropped them off on Skelton's desk. 882 00:47:25,712 --> 00:47:28,106 - If they have to come to me as a captain 883 00:47:28,193 --> 00:47:31,239 in a different department, then there's a serious problem. 884 00:47:31,326 --> 00:47:34,895 I decided I was gonna write my own letter, 885 00:47:34,982 --> 00:47:37,071 and I was gonna run it up the chain of command. 886 00:47:39,944 --> 00:47:42,207 What I anticipated would be, "Okay, let's take a time out, 887 00:47:42,294 --> 00:47:44,731 "let's figure out what's happening here. 888 00:47:44,818 --> 00:47:46,907 "Why are these guys so upset," 889 00:47:46,994 --> 00:47:50,911 it became more of an admonishment from the senior leadership 890 00:47:50,998 --> 00:47:54,697 that we were wrong, that there was a mutiny going on 891 00:47:54,784 --> 00:47:57,875 in the lower ranks and that we needed to 892 00:47:57,962 --> 00:47:59,746 pull our head out of our asses, basically, 893 00:47:59,833 --> 00:48:02,096 and get back out there and do what we're told. 894 00:48:02,183 --> 00:48:03,228 - I've seen this. 895 00:48:03,315 --> 00:48:04,751 - You have? - Yeah. 896 00:48:04,838 --> 00:48:06,448 - [Interviewer] Have you seen the whole packet? 897 00:48:06,535 --> 00:48:07,841 - I remember asking questions about this note. 898 00:48:07,928 --> 00:48:09,712 I wanted to kinda get to the bottom 899 00:48:09,799 --> 00:48:11,976 of whether these are valid or not. 900 00:48:12,063 --> 00:48:14,065 [deep, somber music] 901 00:48:16,589 --> 00:48:18,504 People couldn't corroborate that as far as, 902 00:48:18,591 --> 00:48:20,158 those are accurate complaints. 903 00:48:20,245 --> 00:48:22,464 Could be the complaints of a young guy 904 00:48:22,551 --> 00:48:24,249 out there in one unit. - It looks like 905 00:48:24,336 --> 00:48:26,338 a dozen young guys. - Yeah, yeah. 906 00:48:26,425 --> 00:48:27,774 - [Interviewer] That are complaining about it. 907 00:48:27,861 --> 00:48:30,646 - Yeah, I only saw Skelton's, yeah. 908 00:48:30,733 --> 00:48:32,257 But there, I think, bottom line is, we wanted to go fix, 909 00:48:32,344 --> 00:48:34,694 we needed to fix the 53 community. 910 00:48:34,781 --> 00:48:36,870 What are they saying now? 911 00:48:36,957 --> 00:48:38,698 Really, to me would be, okay, got it. 912 00:48:38,785 --> 00:48:40,265 We had a problem then, are they fixed now, yes or no? 913 00:48:40,352 --> 00:48:41,831 I believe they are fixed now. 914 00:48:41,919 --> 00:48:45,487 So it's easy to go, "Hey, things suck." 915 00:48:47,011 --> 00:48:49,187 So the hard part is figuring out a thoughtful way forward, 916 00:48:49,274 --> 00:48:50,971 getting that funded, and driving it home, 917 00:48:51,058 --> 00:48:53,800 which is exactly what the Marine Corp is doing right now. 918 00:48:53,887 --> 00:48:56,542 [drumming music] 919 00:48:58,022 --> 00:48:59,806 - It was depressing to walk all the way back to your shop 920 00:48:59,893 --> 00:49:02,026 and have to go tell those Marines that their concerns 921 00:49:02,113 --> 00:49:03,592 were not gonna be listened to. 922 00:49:05,464 --> 00:49:07,901 I was disgusted by it, I'm disgusted by it to this day. 923 00:49:07,988 --> 00:49:10,599 Not only was I disgusted with one or two individuals, 924 00:49:10,686 --> 00:49:12,862 I was disgusted with an entire unit. 925 00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:14,995 [drumming music] 926 00:49:15,082 --> 00:49:16,431 This isn't about me, this is about those young Marines 927 00:49:16,518 --> 00:49:20,044 who get on the aircraft, they were failed. 928 00:49:20,131 --> 00:49:22,960 [drumming music] 929 00:49:24,135 --> 00:49:28,966 [water lapping] [gentle music] 930 00:49:30,489 --> 00:49:32,926 - The kind of situation that you are seeing 931 00:49:33,013 --> 00:49:34,754 with the helicopters, 932 00:49:34,841 --> 00:49:37,713 is very typical of things I've seen over the years. 933 00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,325 It is basically a predictable consequence 934 00:49:40,412 --> 00:49:43,023 of a screwed-up priority system. 935 00:49:44,329 --> 00:49:45,373 Not predictable, inevitable. 936 00:49:48,028 --> 00:49:51,423 And, because it is inevitable, you can see it ahead of time, 937 00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:53,816 and when you continue this behavior into the future, 938 00:49:53,903 --> 00:49:57,081 it basically boils down to malice aforethought. 939 00:49:57,168 --> 00:49:59,735 - When Chuck Spinney talks about defense cost overruns, 940 00:49:59,822 --> 00:50:03,261 Congress listens, and so do his Pentagon bosses. 941 00:50:03,348 --> 00:50:06,873 [somber orchestral music] 942 00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,310 - [Narrator] Chuck Spinney spent more than 25 years 943 00:50:09,397 --> 00:50:11,095 as an analyst in the Pentagon. 944 00:50:11,182 --> 00:50:15,403 - We projected that our monetization costs in 1982 945 00:50:15,490 --> 00:50:17,971 would be here, they actually turned out to be here. 946 00:50:18,058 --> 00:50:20,104 That's a mismatch of 100%. 947 00:50:20,191 --> 00:50:21,888 Now, we can't change this cost-- 948 00:50:21,975 --> 00:50:23,542 - [Narrator] In the early 80s, he briefed Congress 949 00:50:23,629 --> 00:50:26,849 on how Pentagon spending was impacting readiness, 950 00:50:26,936 --> 00:50:30,940 and led to parts shortages, disgruntled maintenance crews, 951 00:50:31,028 --> 00:50:32,464 and pilots who were short on flight time. 952 00:50:35,510 --> 00:50:38,383 30 years later, Van Dorn still wrestled 953 00:50:38,470 --> 00:50:40,037 with the same problems. 954 00:50:41,212 --> 00:50:43,779 - If what you're saying is true, 955 00:50:43,866 --> 00:50:45,999 then we not only have a budget problem, 956 00:50:46,086 --> 00:50:48,436 I think that we frankly have 957 00:50:48,523 --> 00:50:51,396 a major problem in national defense. 958 00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:55,617 - The number one priority in the Pentagon 959 00:50:55,704 --> 00:50:58,620 is to pump up the budgets that're associated with 960 00:50:58,707 --> 00:51:02,059 the development and purchasing of new weapons. 961 00:51:02,146 --> 00:51:06,106 Now, if you pump those up, you basically try to hold down 962 00:51:06,193 --> 00:51:09,631 the money that's spent on operating existing weapons. 963 00:51:11,111 --> 00:51:15,507 In terms of readiness, training, buying spare parts, 964 00:51:15,594 --> 00:51:18,031 maintenance, things like that. 965 00:51:18,118 --> 00:51:22,209 And, in the case of the CH-53s, maybe one of those cutbacks 966 00:51:22,296 --> 00:51:24,342 was saying, "Hey, we can live a little longer 967 00:51:24,429 --> 00:51:25,995 "with this shitty wire." 968 00:51:27,910 --> 00:51:29,173 - [Interviewer] Readiness is first and foremost 969 00:51:29,260 --> 00:51:30,174 in the Marine Corp. 970 00:51:30,261 --> 00:51:31,871 - It is. 971 00:51:31,958 --> 00:51:34,395 - [Interviewer] And the CH-53E was not ready. 972 00:51:36,005 --> 00:51:37,398 - It was not ready to do all the things 973 00:51:37,485 --> 00:51:39,661 we needed to do, that's a fact. 974 00:51:39,748 --> 00:51:42,273 - [Interviewer] And what put it in the state that it was in? 975 00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:47,365 - I think, one, we had some budget challenges 976 00:51:48,409 --> 00:51:49,845 inside the Department of Defense. 977 00:51:49,932 --> 00:51:51,586 But the money's being pulled from our 978 00:51:51,673 --> 00:51:53,284 Department of Defense budgets 979 00:51:53,371 --> 00:51:55,721 at the same we're floor deployed and fighting. 980 00:51:55,808 --> 00:51:59,464 So, very challenging environment out there for sustainment. 981 00:51:59,551 --> 00:52:01,944 - [Interviewer] Some people say that the costs 982 00:52:02,031 --> 00:52:06,123 of new weapons are constantly taking away resources 983 00:52:06,210 --> 00:52:07,950 from programs like the 53. 984 00:52:09,300 --> 00:52:11,084 Do you agree with that assessment? 985 00:52:11,171 --> 00:52:12,825 - I don't, I don't, I think that you've gotta balance. 986 00:52:14,261 --> 00:52:16,176 You can't fly the old metal forever. 987 00:52:16,263 --> 00:52:17,743 You have to keep pace with 988 00:52:17,830 --> 00:52:19,484 changing threat requirements out there. 989 00:52:19,571 --> 00:52:21,921 You can't just say, "We're just gonna take care of the old 990 00:52:22,008 --> 00:52:23,879 "and not do the new," so you have to balance that. 991 00:52:23,966 --> 00:52:26,447 - I agree, you do have to modernize, 992 00:52:26,534 --> 00:52:30,147 you have to support the fleet in being. 993 00:52:30,234 --> 00:52:32,105 You have to do both. 994 00:52:32,192 --> 00:52:34,760 But you can't get there from here doin' business as usual. 995 00:52:36,196 --> 00:52:38,590 That's what we've been arguing about for 30 years. 996 00:52:41,332 --> 00:52:43,160 - [Narrator] Spinney was one of a small group 997 00:52:43,247 --> 00:52:45,162 in the Pentagon and on Capitol Hill 998 00:52:45,249 --> 00:52:47,686 focused on military reform. 999 00:52:47,773 --> 00:52:51,255 Another was Pierre Sprey, who spent 20 years 1000 00:52:51,342 --> 00:52:53,866 as a weapons analyst and designer. 1001 00:52:53,953 --> 00:52:56,303 - The idea that we're having safety problems, 1002 00:52:56,390 --> 00:52:58,262 we're having maintenance problems, 1003 00:52:58,349 --> 00:53:02,440 just because the total defense budget is not big enough, 1004 00:53:02,527 --> 00:53:03,963 is ludicrous. 1005 00:53:04,050 --> 00:53:06,139 [dramatic banging] 1006 00:53:06,226 --> 00:53:09,055 [dramatic music] 1007 00:53:14,147 --> 00:53:15,322 There's plenty of money. 1008 00:53:15,409 --> 00:53:17,542 [beeping] 1009 00:53:17,629 --> 00:53:21,372 But you can't do what's really needed for the people, 1010 00:53:21,459 --> 00:53:25,724 and buy all the glitzy toys that the Congress 1011 00:53:25,811 --> 00:53:28,422 and the industry and the generals want. 1012 00:53:30,381 --> 00:53:32,731 New stuff means big budgets, 1013 00:53:34,298 --> 00:53:36,952 and new stuff means issuing contracts, 1014 00:53:38,302 --> 00:53:42,306 and issuing contracts means that high-ranking officers 1015 00:53:42,393 --> 00:53:44,786 and high-ranking civilians will have lovely 1016 00:53:44,873 --> 00:53:47,572 defense industry jobs when they retire. 1017 00:53:48,573 --> 00:53:51,619 That revolving door, 1018 00:53:51,706 --> 00:53:54,535 that's incredibly damaging to national defense. 1019 00:53:57,582 --> 00:53:59,627 - [Narrator] The problems that come 1020 00:53:59,714 --> 00:54:02,326 with a powerful defense establishment, 1021 00:54:02,413 --> 00:54:05,720 perpetual war, and its impact on democracy, 1022 00:54:05,807 --> 00:54:08,332 were spotted decades ago by war hero 1023 00:54:08,419 --> 00:54:10,725 turned president, Dwight Eisenhower. 1024 00:54:10,812 --> 00:54:12,771 - [Dwight] Good evening my fellow Americans. 1025 00:54:14,294 --> 00:54:16,514 - [Narrator] In his farewell address, he gave it a name. 1026 00:54:16,601 --> 00:54:19,038 - We must guard against the acquisition 1027 00:54:19,125 --> 00:54:22,607 of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought 1028 00:54:22,694 --> 00:54:25,784 by the military-industrial complex. 1029 00:54:25,871 --> 00:54:28,874 - The military-industrial complex is basically 1030 00:54:28,961 --> 00:54:30,484 what some political scientists call 1031 00:54:30,571 --> 00:54:34,227 an iron triangle of relationships. 1032 00:54:34,314 --> 00:54:37,361 Those three corners being the military, the Congress, 1033 00:54:37,448 --> 00:54:39,580 and the contractors. 1034 00:54:39,667 --> 00:54:43,323 And how money circulates around that triangle, 1035 00:54:43,410 --> 00:54:45,543 is the key to understanding what's going on. 1036 00:54:45,630 --> 00:54:47,109 It's basically a little bit like 1037 00:54:47,196 --> 00:54:49,024 a bait and switch operation. 1038 00:54:49,111 --> 00:54:53,246 You basically downplay the future costs of a new weapon. 1039 00:54:53,333 --> 00:54:55,509 They say it'll be easy to maintain, it'll be more effective, 1040 00:54:55,596 --> 00:54:59,078 and we estimate it's gonna cost this. 1041 00:54:59,165 --> 00:55:02,211 Then the political engineers start distributing that money 1042 00:55:02,299 --> 00:55:03,735 as quickly as possible to as many 1043 00:55:03,822 --> 00:55:05,606 Congressional districts as possible. 1044 00:55:05,693 --> 00:55:08,609 Then, once the true cost of the program 1045 00:55:08,696 --> 00:55:10,089 starts to manifest itself, 1046 00:55:10,176 --> 00:55:12,439 there's nothing you can do about it, 1047 00:55:12,526 --> 00:55:15,094 because the program's got too many vested interests 1048 00:55:15,181 --> 00:55:16,748 spread all over the country. 1049 00:55:16,835 --> 00:55:20,186 The F-35 is the classic case in point. 1050 00:55:20,273 --> 00:55:22,014 - The richest contract in the history 1051 00:55:22,101 --> 00:55:23,581 of the Pentagon finally awarded. 1052 00:55:23,668 --> 00:55:25,974 The aerospace company Lockheed Martin 1053 00:55:26,061 --> 00:55:29,108 have been chosen over Boeing to build a new fighter plane 1054 00:55:29,195 --> 00:55:30,501 for the U.S. and Britain. 1055 00:55:33,199 --> 00:55:36,507 [deep, pounding music] 1056 00:55:44,906 --> 00:55:47,996 - As president, I've continued to make historic investments 1057 00:55:48,083 --> 00:55:50,390 to keep our armed forces strong. 1058 00:55:51,696 --> 00:55:55,134 - Arbitrary budget cuts have emasculated our military 1059 00:55:55,221 --> 00:56:00,139 and harmed our ability dramatically to defend this nation. 1060 00:56:00,226 --> 00:56:03,534 [deep, pounding music] 1061 00:56:15,894 --> 00:56:19,463 - Let's modernize, we need to respond to evolving threats. 1062 00:56:19,550 --> 00:56:21,203 - If I'm president of the United States, 1063 00:56:21,290 --> 00:56:22,770 and Congress tries to cut the military, 1064 00:56:22,857 --> 00:56:25,991 I will veto that in a millisecond. 1065 00:56:26,078 --> 00:56:29,386 [deep, pounding music] 1066 00:56:39,047 --> 00:56:42,486 - We've always said we need to increase defense spending 1067 00:56:42,573 --> 00:56:44,313 for our armed forces. 1068 00:56:44,401 --> 00:56:47,491 - The two year budget agreement I just reached with Congress 1069 00:56:47,578 --> 00:56:52,539 will provide $700 billion in defense funding this year. 1070 00:56:53,932 --> 00:56:58,066 And next year, we will raise that number to $716 billion. 1071 00:57:01,505 --> 00:57:03,028 That's a lot of money. 1072 00:57:03,115 --> 00:57:04,856 [audience applauding] 1073 00:57:04,943 --> 00:57:06,771 - The same thing's happening again. 1074 00:57:06,858 --> 00:57:08,773 They're just throwing money at the Pentagon. 1075 00:57:08,860 --> 00:57:11,776 It's guaranteed to get worse, it can't get better 1076 00:57:11,863 --> 00:57:13,517 'cause they're rewarding all the kinds of behavior 1077 00:57:13,604 --> 00:57:15,649 that created the problem. 1078 00:57:15,736 --> 00:57:19,523 - There's zero difference between the two political parties, 1079 00:57:19,610 --> 00:57:24,528 none whatsoever, because they're receiving the same money. 1080 00:57:25,790 --> 00:57:28,662 The military-industrial complex is highly bipartisan. 1081 00:57:29,794 --> 00:57:31,404 As long as they can keep that money 1082 00:57:31,491 --> 00:57:33,537 flowing in the right direction, 1083 00:57:33,624 --> 00:57:35,887 everything is smooth and hunky-dory. 1084 00:57:35,974 --> 00:57:39,543 - That's the kinda craziness we've gotten ourselves into. 1085 00:57:39,630 --> 00:57:42,023 - [Interviewer] You're describing a very complex situation. 1086 00:57:42,110 --> 00:57:45,549 - Yeah, no shit. [laughing] 1087 00:57:45,636 --> 00:57:46,724 But it's making a lot of people rich. 1088 00:57:50,945 --> 00:57:54,383 That's the key point, a lot of people are benefiting 1089 00:57:54,471 --> 00:57:54,732 from this lunacy. 1090 00:57:56,951 --> 00:57:59,258 Generals are going through the revolving doors. 1091 00:57:59,345 --> 00:58:00,694 Lieutenant colonels and colonels 1092 00:58:00,781 --> 00:58:02,391 are going through revolving doors. 1093 00:58:02,479 --> 00:58:04,568 Contractors are making big profits, 1094 00:58:04,655 --> 00:58:07,658 and congressmen are basically gettin' lots of pork 1095 00:58:07,745 --> 00:58:10,356 in their districts, which enables them to increase 1096 00:58:10,443 --> 00:58:12,010 their longevity and power and wealth. 1097 00:58:12,097 --> 00:58:15,927 Everybody wins, except of course the soldier 1098 00:58:16,014 --> 00:58:18,843 at the pointy end of the spear, and the taxpayer. 1099 00:58:18,930 --> 00:58:21,846 [jet engine roaring] 1100 00:58:27,504 --> 00:58:28,505 - I love the Navy. 1101 00:58:30,028 --> 00:58:31,464 I mean, I come from a big Navy family. 1102 00:58:31,551 --> 00:58:32,900 There's chiefs in my family, 1103 00:58:32,987 --> 00:58:34,946 there's master chiefs in my family. 1104 00:58:35,033 --> 00:58:38,732 There's a lot of pride, and that's all I wanted to do 1105 00:58:40,734 --> 00:58:41,866 was just make everybody proud. 1106 00:58:46,697 --> 00:58:48,612 - [Narrator] Chris Humme was widely regarded 1107 00:58:48,699 --> 00:58:51,963 as one of the top mechanics at HM-14. 1108 00:58:52,050 --> 00:58:53,660 He was also the sailor who told Wes Van Dorn 1109 00:58:53,747 --> 00:58:56,924 that his helicopter was safe to fly 1110 00:58:57,011 --> 00:58:59,753 just two hours before the fire broke out. 1111 00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:02,582 He battled nightmares for months. 1112 00:59:02,669 --> 00:59:04,976 In the wake of the crash, he grew frustrated 1113 00:59:05,063 --> 00:59:06,804 with too much business as usual. 1114 00:59:06,891 --> 00:59:09,371 - I'm not a politician, I'm just a mechanic 1115 00:59:09,458 --> 00:59:12,461 who saw a lotta things being done the wrong way, 1116 00:59:12,549 --> 00:59:12,853 and I tried to voice it. 1117 00:59:14,768 --> 00:59:16,814 And I think as a whole, that has a lot to do 1118 00:59:18,076 --> 00:59:19,468 with me getting pushed out. 1119 00:59:26,737 --> 00:59:29,522 - I've told it politely so many times 1120 00:59:29,609 --> 00:59:30,828 that I'm done telling it politely. 1121 00:59:36,442 --> 00:59:39,619 Basically, I'm coming clean with, 1122 00:59:39,706 --> 00:59:41,795 we're doing illegal maintenance. 1123 00:59:41,882 --> 00:59:44,493 [guns tapping] 1124 00:59:47,105 --> 00:59:49,716 I get a message, skipper wants to talk to you. 1125 00:59:50,804 --> 00:59:52,676 "Come in, sit down," and I realize very quickly 1126 00:59:52,763 --> 00:59:55,853 this is not a conversation of anyone wanting to talk about 1127 00:59:55,940 --> 00:59:58,986 the letter I wrote other than how inappropriate 1128 00:59:59,073 --> 01:00:00,597 the letter that I wrote was. 1129 01:00:06,820 --> 01:00:09,562 And I was just dumbfounded, I couldn't believe this. 1130 01:00:09,649 --> 01:00:11,564 And then the one that really shocked me 1131 01:00:11,651 --> 01:00:14,872 was the command master chief, recommended that I read a book 1132 01:00:14,959 --> 01:00:18,702 called "How to Win Friends and Influence People." 1133 01:00:18,789 --> 01:00:21,574 [drumming music] 1134 01:00:21,661 --> 01:00:23,968 - [Narrator] The Navy questions Humme's credibility. 1135 01:00:27,145 --> 01:00:29,713 They say he lied about a maintenance mistake he made 1136 01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,063 in the aftermath of the crash. 1137 01:00:32,150 --> 01:00:33,586 He was disciplined for it. 1138 01:00:35,980 --> 01:00:37,808 Later, when he took his daughter to school 1139 01:00:37,895 --> 01:00:41,246 instead of going to a lecture about weekend behavior 1140 01:00:41,333 --> 01:00:43,988 and personal safety, his commanding officer 1141 01:00:44,075 --> 01:00:45,642 had grounds for dismissal. 1142 01:00:47,687 --> 01:00:50,559 Humme's career in the Navy was over. 1143 01:00:51,952 --> 01:00:54,563 - I just basically point blank asked him, 1144 01:00:54,651 --> 01:00:56,130 "Sir, has this got anything to do 1145 01:00:56,217 --> 01:00:57,436 "with a lot of the concerns I've raised? 1146 01:00:57,523 --> 01:00:58,655 "Some of the issues that I know 1147 01:00:58,742 --> 01:01:00,352 "that you've talked to me about 1148 01:01:00,439 --> 01:01:03,355 "with some of my ways of approaching things." 1149 01:01:03,442 --> 01:01:04,791 Pretty much looked me in the face 1150 01:01:04,878 --> 01:01:05,923 and told me that I poked the bear. 1151 01:01:06,663 --> 01:01:08,447 I poked the bear too many times 1152 01:01:08,534 --> 01:01:10,797 and now I've gotta deal with it. 1153 01:01:13,234 --> 01:01:15,933 - The reaction typically of the system is, 1154 01:01:16,020 --> 01:01:19,763 this guy is dangerous, this guy might talk to a reporter, 1155 01:01:19,850 --> 01:01:22,461 this guy might talk to a congressman. 1156 01:01:22,548 --> 01:01:23,941 How do we get rid of him? 1157 01:01:24,028 --> 01:01:25,899 And then they're on him like a hawk. 1158 01:01:25,986 --> 01:01:29,163 Every time that guy fails to tie a shoelace, 1159 01:01:29,250 --> 01:01:30,948 he's up before a board. 1160 01:01:31,035 --> 01:01:33,690 You can take anybody and drive 'em outta the service 1161 01:01:33,777 --> 01:01:36,867 in three to six months if you're on him like that. 1162 01:01:43,961 --> 01:01:46,050 - [Narrator] Humme moved home to Tennessee. 1163 01:01:46,137 --> 01:01:47,878 He now works at an auto dealer. 1164 01:01:49,575 --> 01:01:51,925 - It's certainly not the excitement of the flight line, 1165 01:01:52,012 --> 01:01:55,407 and traveling the world and all that stuff. 1166 01:01:57,626 --> 01:01:59,498 It's a desk job in Knoxville. 1167 01:01:59,585 --> 01:02:04,416 But, I don't have to worry about towing the company line 1168 01:02:05,896 --> 01:02:08,159 and covering stuff up. 1169 01:02:08,246 --> 01:02:11,771 [telephone ringing] 1170 01:02:11,858 --> 01:02:14,556 Thank you for choosing PALS Knoxville, this is Chris. 1171 01:02:14,643 --> 01:02:18,691 - When you ask why individuals can't fix this thing, 1172 01:02:18,778 --> 01:02:22,390 most people just say, "It's too much of a risk." 1173 01:02:22,477 --> 01:02:25,654 And remember also, they're conditioned culturally 1174 01:02:25,742 --> 01:02:28,570 to put faith in the authority of the system. 1175 01:02:29,615 --> 01:02:32,357 So even if they see something wrong, 1176 01:02:32,444 --> 01:02:34,359 they're biased to say, 1177 01:02:34,446 --> 01:02:36,753 "Maybe I just don't see the big picture. 1178 01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:40,365 "After all, he's a general and I'm just a lieutenant." 1179 01:02:43,803 --> 01:02:45,587 - My commanding officer actually said that directly to me. 1180 01:02:45,674 --> 01:02:47,764 He said, "You just don't see the big picture." 1181 01:02:47,851 --> 01:02:49,766 Well, my only response to that is, 1182 01:02:49,853 --> 01:02:52,551 "If the big picture is people crashing and dying 1183 01:02:52,638 --> 01:02:53,682 "and doing things the wrong way, 1184 01:02:53,770 --> 01:02:56,468 "then the big picture is wrong." 1185 01:02:58,557 --> 01:03:01,603 A broken system killed Wes, 1186 01:03:02,953 --> 01:03:07,044 killed Sean, killed Brian, broke Dylan. 1187 01:03:10,134 --> 01:03:11,918 I mean, a flawed system did that. 1188 01:03:13,659 --> 01:03:16,009 [slow, somber music] 1189 01:03:23,930 --> 01:03:26,803 [breathing heavily] 1190 01:03:28,543 --> 01:03:30,197 - [Narrator] Dylan Boone was medically separated 1191 01:03:30,284 --> 01:03:34,114 and honorably discharged in 2015. 1192 01:03:34,201 --> 01:03:37,335 [slow, somber music] 1193 01:03:39,076 --> 01:03:40,512 - The scar always gives me trouble with my hair. 1194 01:03:40,599 --> 01:03:42,296 - [Narrator] The aftermath of the crash 1195 01:03:42,383 --> 01:03:44,124 brought a series of false starts. 1196 01:03:45,996 --> 01:03:48,781 Different jobs, different living situations, 1197 01:03:48,868 --> 01:03:51,088 and that's on top of the five surgeries. 1198 01:03:54,395 --> 01:03:55,396 - [Interviewer] What's it like to survive 1199 01:03:55,483 --> 01:03:56,920 a helicopter crash? 1200 01:03:57,007 --> 01:03:58,008 - It sucks. 1201 01:03:59,705 --> 01:04:02,795 I know there's guys who actually served in war 1202 01:04:02,882 --> 01:04:04,884 and actually saw combat who have to deal with 1203 01:04:04,971 --> 01:04:06,973 a lot more shit than I deal with, 1204 01:04:07,060 --> 01:04:11,369 but when it happens in training, that, it's tainted. 1205 01:04:15,025 --> 01:04:17,244 You don't expect to give up your life for this country 1206 01:04:17,331 --> 01:04:18,985 because you were given faulty equipment. 1207 01:04:22,075 --> 01:04:25,383 [Dylan speaking muffled] 1208 01:04:28,734 --> 01:04:33,739 [man speaking muffled by tape squeaking] 1209 01:04:34,871 --> 01:04:37,003 - [Man] Class, one, six, one, five, unload! 1210 01:04:38,526 --> 01:04:40,964 - It's as simple as the air crewman's creed. 1211 01:04:41,051 --> 01:04:43,270 My country has built me the finest aircraft known to man. 1212 01:04:43,357 --> 01:04:45,185 - [Man] Troop. 1213 01:04:45,272 --> 01:04:47,666 - [Group Of Men] I'm a United States Naval Air crewman. 1214 01:04:47,753 --> 01:04:51,061 My country has built me the finest aircraft known to man. 1215 01:04:51,148 --> 01:04:55,500 They have entrusted me to use it to keep our country free. 1216 01:04:55,587 --> 01:04:57,154 - I used to say that so loud. 1217 01:04:57,241 --> 01:04:58,459 I was the loudest person to say it. 1218 01:04:58,546 --> 01:04:59,852 I was ate up, I loved it. 1219 01:04:59,939 --> 01:05:00,853 - [Man] Hooyah one time. 1220 01:05:00,940 --> 01:05:02,637 - [Crewmen] Hooyah! 1221 01:05:03,421 --> 01:05:04,857 To every man! 1222 01:05:04,944 --> 01:05:05,989 - [Man] Hooyah in group. 1223 01:05:06,076 --> 01:05:07,120 - [Crewmen] Hooyah! 1224 01:05:07,207 --> 01:05:08,208 - [Man] Hooyah in the crew. 1225 01:05:08,295 --> 01:05:09,906 - [Crewmen] Hooyah! 1226 01:05:11,603 --> 01:05:14,127 - [Narrator] 3 1/2 years after the accident, 1227 01:05:14,214 --> 01:05:17,565 Boone decided to move closer to family in California. 1228 01:05:19,916 --> 01:05:22,875 - I'm not gonna pretend that I haven't had those dark nights 1229 01:05:22,962 --> 01:05:25,617 and struggles with PTSD. 1230 01:05:25,704 --> 01:05:28,402 Three volumes, medical paperwork. 1231 01:05:30,665 --> 01:05:34,147 A lot of the time, I'd get a surgery and just get Oxycontin 1232 01:05:34,234 --> 01:05:36,802 or Valium or Percocets. 1233 01:05:38,108 --> 01:05:41,981 And it was a concoction of coping with physical ailments 1234 01:05:42,068 --> 01:05:44,984 and mental instability, 1235 01:05:45,071 --> 01:05:47,421 fueled by alcohol and prescription drugs. 1236 01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:51,338 They take all the pain away. 1237 01:05:51,425 --> 01:05:52,774 Not just your physical pain, 1238 01:05:52,861 --> 01:05:54,602 but you don't think about anything 1239 01:05:54,689 --> 01:05:55,038 and you really don't care. 1240 01:06:03,089 --> 01:06:05,874 [people chattering] 1241 01:06:07,093 --> 01:06:08,051 My lowest low. 1242 01:06:10,705 --> 01:06:11,750 I don't know if I even wanna answer that, 1243 01:06:11,837 --> 01:06:13,665 'cause I'll sound fuckin' crazy. 1244 01:06:19,062 --> 01:06:19,888 Lowest low, 1245 01:06:24,023 --> 01:06:24,937 gun in hand. 1246 01:06:41,649 --> 01:06:44,957 Yeah, lowest low, gun to hand, gun in hand. 1247 01:06:45,044 --> 01:06:48,874 Lowest low, gun in hand, barrel to head. 1248 01:06:55,011 --> 01:06:56,969 But you know it's like you kinda get to that point 1249 01:06:57,056 --> 01:06:58,797 and you never know if you're actually gonna do it 1250 01:06:58,884 --> 01:06:59,580 or not, and then, 1251 01:07:02,540 --> 01:07:05,412 then you don't and you're kinda, 1252 01:07:05,499 --> 01:07:06,892 you're done with the idea. 1253 01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:13,768 [birds chirping] [slow, somber music] 1254 01:07:15,161 --> 01:07:16,597 Sometimes it's just a bad day 1255 01:07:16,684 --> 01:07:19,600 and things continue to roll downhill. 1256 01:07:22,168 --> 01:07:24,127 Sometimes it's really hard to find the reason 1257 01:07:24,214 --> 01:07:24,475 for why things happen. 1258 01:07:28,609 --> 01:07:29,958 And sometimes it feels like 1259 01:07:30,046 --> 01:07:31,786 you're damn near close to breaking. 1260 01:07:33,092 --> 01:07:36,661 [slow, somber music] 1261 01:07:36,748 --> 01:07:38,793 - I think all of the platforms we've had 1262 01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:41,579 in the United States Marine Corp, the legacy platforms, 1263 01:07:41,666 --> 01:07:43,755 had a bit of readiness challenge, 1264 01:07:43,842 --> 01:07:45,887 a severe readiness challenge. 1265 01:07:45,974 --> 01:07:49,152 And it manifested itself in about 2014. 1266 01:07:49,239 --> 01:07:52,242 I looked at the 53 as being one that was more challenged 1267 01:07:52,329 --> 01:07:54,244 than some of the others. 1268 01:07:54,331 --> 01:07:58,074 What I didn't understand early on is how to fix the problem. 1269 01:07:59,162 --> 01:08:01,686 Right now the world is a pretty dangerous place, 1270 01:08:01,773 --> 01:08:04,297 and we got Marines floor deployed at sea and at shore. 1271 01:08:04,384 --> 01:08:07,039 - [Narrator] Davis had a dilemma. 1272 01:08:07,126 --> 01:08:09,607 He had Marines in Afghanistan and the Middle East 1273 01:08:09,694 --> 01:08:12,566 dependent on the 53, and he had concerns 1274 01:08:12,653 --> 01:08:14,742 about the condition of the helicopters. 1275 01:08:17,658 --> 01:08:20,313 He ordered a study of his 53s in order to figure out 1276 01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:22,707 how to get the fleet back on track. 1277 01:08:24,100 --> 01:08:26,058 [dramatic music] 1278 01:08:26,145 --> 01:08:28,887 The report found that less than a quarter of the helicopters 1279 01:08:28,974 --> 01:08:32,891 were mission capable, far below the Pentagon's requirements. 1280 01:08:34,632 --> 01:08:37,113 It recommended a complete overhaul, 1281 01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:39,593 a reset of the 53 fleet. 1282 01:08:41,769 --> 01:08:43,902 - [Interviewer] What took so long? 1283 01:08:43,989 --> 01:08:45,730 - I don't know. 1284 01:08:45,817 --> 01:08:49,777 I don't know, I just, I can't answer that question. 1285 01:08:49,864 --> 01:08:51,953 I can only answer the questions that I dealt with 1286 01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:52,867 when I got there. 1287 01:08:57,045 --> 01:08:59,831 - [Narrator] Seven months after the report was complete, 1288 01:08:59,918 --> 01:09:02,834 the 53's troubling legacy continued. 1289 01:09:05,619 --> 01:09:10,537 At a 53 squadron in Hawaii, so few aircraft were available, 1290 01:09:10,624 --> 01:09:14,411 Marines considered the flight schedule a running joke. 1291 01:09:14,498 --> 01:09:17,457 [slow, somber music] 1292 01:09:17,544 --> 01:09:21,200 But on a night in January, 2016, 1293 01:09:21,287 --> 01:09:23,246 12 Marines boarded two helicopters 1294 01:09:23,333 --> 01:09:25,073 for a training exercise. 1295 01:09:27,250 --> 01:09:28,903 Tourists took in luaus. 1296 01:09:33,343 --> 01:09:35,606 Security cameras kept watch on vacation homes. 1297 01:09:37,869 --> 01:09:40,480 One spotted the choppers just offshore, 1298 01:09:40,567 --> 01:09:42,526 and captured the moment they collided in midair. 1299 01:09:48,314 --> 01:09:51,448 All 12 Marines were killed instantly. 1300 01:09:51,535 --> 01:09:54,712 [slow, solemn music] 1301 01:10:09,553 --> 01:10:12,599 The death toll on the 53E climbed to 128. 1302 01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:18,083 [slow, solemn music] 1303 01:10:21,608 --> 01:10:24,481 - That's terrible, and I think, it's again, I'm heartbroken, 1304 01:10:25,612 --> 01:10:29,181 heartbroken that we lose these fine Marines 1305 01:10:29,268 --> 01:10:30,922 in a mishap like this. 1306 01:10:36,928 --> 01:10:38,886 - [Narrator] The four pilots had barely flown 1307 01:10:38,973 --> 01:10:41,759 in the months leading up to the accident. 1308 01:10:41,846 --> 01:10:43,587 - [Interviewer] Were they pushed to do something 1309 01:10:43,674 --> 01:10:44,979 they weren't ready to do? 1310 01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:48,244 - I don't wanna go into that particular mishap, 1311 01:10:48,331 --> 01:10:50,898 but I think, yeah, there's no reason 1312 01:10:50,985 --> 01:10:54,119 that those two airplanes should've had a collision. 1313 01:10:54,206 --> 01:10:57,340 [slow, somber music] 1314 01:10:58,428 --> 01:11:00,691 - The fact that a guy has a collision, 1315 01:11:00,778 --> 01:11:04,216 and you can obviously blame it on pilot error, 1316 01:11:04,303 --> 01:11:06,610 doesn't really mean much if the guy's not gettin' practice. 1317 01:11:08,525 --> 01:11:10,309 It's an easy way to deflect the blame. 1318 01:11:10,396 --> 01:11:11,484 - [Man] Captain Kennedy, 1319 01:11:14,444 --> 01:11:19,318 Captain Brian Kennedy. 1320 01:11:19,405 --> 01:11:21,625 Captain Brian T. Kennedy. 1321 01:11:24,976 --> 01:11:27,761 - [Narrator] One of the pilots, Brian Kennedy, 1322 01:11:27,848 --> 01:11:31,548 was one of Wes Van Dorn's best friends at the Naval Academy. 1323 01:11:33,332 --> 01:11:36,553 - When we found out that Brian had also died 1324 01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:41,558 in the helicopter crash, it's devastating all over again. 1325 01:11:47,259 --> 01:11:52,351 - I went to Brian Kennedy's wedding less than a year ago. 1326 01:11:54,832 --> 01:11:59,053 And then I went to the same town 1327 01:12:00,403 --> 01:12:01,665 and went to his funeral. 1328 01:12:04,276 --> 01:12:07,366 When is it going to be enough? 1329 01:12:07,453 --> 01:12:08,976 How many people have to die? 1330 01:12:12,415 --> 01:12:14,155 I'm appalled and I'm devastated 1331 01:12:14,242 --> 01:12:16,680 but there's a lack of surprise. 1332 01:12:16,767 --> 01:12:20,423 Something was gonna happen, I knew it was gonna happen, 1333 01:12:20,510 --> 01:12:23,382 I just didn't know exactly what it was going to look like. 1334 01:12:27,821 --> 01:12:29,301 - [Narrator] Kennedy's name was inscribed 1335 01:12:29,388 --> 01:12:30,781 below that of his friend 1336 01:12:30,868 --> 01:12:33,087 at the Naval Academy's Memorial Hall. 1337 01:12:35,046 --> 01:12:36,830 They are the only two members of their class 1338 01:12:36,917 --> 01:12:39,833 to die in service, not in battle, 1339 01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:43,141 but training in an aged helicopter. 1340 01:12:43,228 --> 01:12:46,144 [slow, somber music] 1341 01:12:49,234 --> 01:12:52,368 [people chattering] 1342 01:12:53,194 --> 01:12:54,544 [laughing] 1343 01:12:58,025 --> 01:13:00,463 - If you join the military, you inherently know 1344 01:13:00,550 --> 01:13:03,640 that some point in time you might die 1345 01:13:03,727 --> 01:13:05,598 doing your job, just because of what you've chosen to do. 1346 01:13:08,601 --> 01:13:13,432 But that does not leave a blank allowance 1347 01:13:13,519 --> 01:13:15,478 for the Navy to kill you. 1348 01:13:19,699 --> 01:13:21,919 Not everybody that died for this country 1349 01:13:24,661 --> 01:13:27,011 had to die for this country. 1350 01:13:27,098 --> 01:13:30,362 [deep, serious music] 1351 01:13:46,944 --> 01:13:48,772 - We're lookin' at every single wire. 1352 01:13:48,859 --> 01:13:51,427 All the zip ties that were in here is comin' off. 1353 01:13:54,604 --> 01:13:57,998 Every piece of tape you see, is a repair we're making. 1354 01:13:58,085 --> 01:13:59,652 800 something gripes just on this airframe. 1355 01:14:05,049 --> 01:14:06,572 This thing's a workhorse, 1356 01:14:06,659 --> 01:14:08,356 and it's gonna continue to be a workhorse 1357 01:14:08,444 --> 01:14:10,402 until the Kilo hits the fleet. 1358 01:14:10,489 --> 01:14:13,623 [slow, somber music] 1359 01:15:49,719 --> 01:15:52,635 - It's been another tragic week for U.S. military aviation. 1360 01:15:52,722 --> 01:15:54,071 Five service members have died, 1361 01:15:54,158 --> 01:15:57,509 and the accidents are continuing. 1362 01:15:57,596 --> 01:16:00,947 [slow, somber music] 1363 01:16:01,034 --> 01:16:04,342 - The number of accidents involving maned military aircraft 1364 01:16:04,429 --> 01:16:09,477 between 2013 and 2017 spiked 40%, 40%. 1365 01:16:10,914 --> 01:16:12,176 [slow, somber music] 1366 01:16:12,263 --> 01:16:14,526 - I would reject wave and crisis, 1367 01:16:14,613 --> 01:16:16,136 those are mishaps that occurred. 1368 01:16:16,223 --> 01:16:18,356 Each one is tragic and we regret each one. 1369 01:16:18,443 --> 01:16:19,792 We'll look at 'em carefully. 1370 01:16:19,879 --> 01:16:21,620 I'm certainly not prepared to say 1371 01:16:21,707 --> 01:16:23,709 that it's a wave of mishaps, or some form of crisis. 1372 01:16:23,796 --> 01:16:25,537 No, I'm not prepared to say that. 1373 01:16:25,624 --> 01:16:28,801 [slow, somber music] 1374 01:16:30,411 --> 01:16:31,717 - If it's not a wave and it's not a crisis, 1375 01:16:31,804 --> 01:16:33,980 how do you explain it, General? 1376 01:16:34,067 --> 01:16:37,027 [slow, somber music] 1377 01:16:38,724 --> 01:16:42,510 - And I understand some of you really great pilots 1378 01:16:44,948 --> 01:16:48,821 could use some new CH-53s, is that a correct statement? 1379 01:16:48,908 --> 01:16:51,128 You wanna see some new ones, huh? 1380 01:16:51,215 --> 01:16:53,565 [audience cheering] 1381 01:16:53,652 --> 01:16:55,785 [slow, somber music] 1382 01:16:56,960 --> 01:17:00,833 - Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry 1383 01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:03,706 can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial 1384 01:17:03,793 --> 01:17:06,883 and military machinery of defense 1385 01:17:06,970 --> 01:17:10,060 with our peaceful methods and goals, 1386 01:17:10,147 --> 01:17:13,890 so that security and liberty may prosper together. 1387 01:17:13,977 --> 01:17:16,980 [slow, somber music] 1388 01:18:30,053 --> 01:18:33,447 [gentle, solemn music] 1389 01:19:10,963 --> 01:19:14,445 [somber orchestral music] 105634

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