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[helicopter fluttering]
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[man speaking
muffled over radio]
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- [Man Over Radio] All
right, so currently
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I got 13K right now,
about 13 1/2, looks good.
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- [Man Over Radio] [muffled]
you like to cross by
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your panel checks, over.
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- [Man Over Radio]
Looks good to me, yeah.
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- [Man Over Radio] You two
currently's holding steady.
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[helicopter fluttering]
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[slow, somber music]
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- [Reporter] A Navy helicopter
exploded off the coast
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of San Francisco, eight
crewmen are missing.
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- [Reporter] Two military
aircraft have gone down
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after colliding just north
of Hawaii's Oahu island.
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[slow, somber music]
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- [Reporter] 30 U.S.
Marines and a U.S. sailor
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were killed today in the
crash of a Super Stallion
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helicopter on this,
the deadliest day
for American forces
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since the start of the war.
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- [Reporter] Five people
killed in four crashes
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in the course of two years.
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Has the worst safety record
of any aircraft in the Navy.
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[slow, somber music]
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- [Mike] Reporters don't
have much of an incentive
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to write about this stuff
except when it's a horror story.
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But then there's
no follow through.
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Well what really happened?
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- [Man] Who am I suppose
to be faithful to?
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Am I suppose to be faithful
to a general or a politician?
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Where do your loyalties lie?
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My suggestion would be my
loyalties lie to the Marines
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who go die on those aircraft.
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- [Nicole] He saw it happening
and he called it out.
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Unfortunately, he couldn't do
anything to change it in time.
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[slow, somber music]
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- Lieutenant Wesley Van
Dorn was 29 years old,
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from Greensboro, North Carolina.
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Van Dorn was a 2007 graduate
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of the United States
Naval Academy.
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He was one of the
Sea Dragon pilots.
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And Van Dorn was
a father of two.
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- Jax, why don't you help Dad?
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[toddler babbling]
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[Nicole laughing]
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He was, I always use
the word magnetic.
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Why don't you try one more time.
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[blowing]
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I met him and I just was
like, "Wow, there are people
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"in the world that are
actually awe-inspiring
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"and you want to be around."
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- Wes had a great relationship
with his enlisted guys.
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He took care of all of us.
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He was just really big on making
sure that all of his people
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felt welcomed and
felt like a family.
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- He was rambunctious,
he was fun to be around.
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You're a better person because
of your time spent with him.
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He'd talk to me about
what we could do better.
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What can we do
better to be better?
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And I think that was a question
that racked his brain a lot.
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'Cause he wasn't somebody
who half-assed anything.
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And that's what you
should wanna do,
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especially if your life's
on the line every day.
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[people chattering]
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- Hey, Mom.
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[slow, somber music]
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- [Narrator] Wes Van
Dorn long-dreamed
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of attending a service academy.
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He spent hours fishing
with his grandfather,
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a West Point graduate.
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- [Susan] This is
fourth, fifth grade,
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and on into his
high school picture.
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- [Narrator] He was 19
when his mother, Susan,
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dropped him off at
the Naval Academy.
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- [Susan] This is
day one, quite a day.
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He's thrilled here, and he's
a little thoughtful here
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I would say.
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But, he was very excited
about his opportunity there.
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- [Man] Having been
appointed as a midshipman
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in the United States Navy,
do you solemnly swear
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that you will support and
defend the Constitution
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of the United States
against all enemies,
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foreign and domestic?
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- It was a very moving
experience as a parent.
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You felt that you
had done your best
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to bring them to that
point and then you were
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turning them over
to the military
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to let them continue to develop
and grow as a human being
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in the way they wanted to.
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- [Man] So help you God.
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- [Midshipmen] I do!
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[crowd cheering]
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[gentle music]
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- After he got
his wings he said,
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"How do you think we
should choose an airframe?"
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We decided together
that the community
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that would allow for
the best family life.
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- [Wesley] Come on little
Jeffrey man, come on.
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- He decided that he wanted
to be defined by his family.
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- [Wesley] Look who
it is, it's Mommy.
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- And one of his other friends,
who was in the 53 community
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at the time, told him
that the hours he worked
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allowed him to be home
for dinner most nights.
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Was that fun?
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That he would only deploy
once every couple of years.
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And so Wes put 53
as his first choice.
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[helicopter fluttering]
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[serious music]
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- Helicopters are
awesome, I mean,
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to make a school bus
fly, lift off the ground,
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to beat the air into submission,
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it's a whole different glory
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than just making a
jet go really fast
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and flying like a paper plane.
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- [Narrator] The two
versions of this helicopter
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are practically identical.
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The Navy uses the
MH-53E Sea Dragon.
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It drags heavy equipment
through the water
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to sweep for
underwater explosives.
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[explosive booming]
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[light, tense music]
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The Marines use the
CH-53E Super Stallion
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to move people and gear
for critical missions.
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[serious music]
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The 53 dates back
to the Cold War.
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It can require about 40
man-hours of maintenance
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for just one hour
of flight time.
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- I have so many nights
where you have cried and bled
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and sweat and cussed
at this helicopter.
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The mentality in the
MH-53 community is that
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we fight a battle
against the helicopter.
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Basically means, she
never wants to fly.
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And there'd be that day,
that one glorious, beautiful,
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sunset bluebird day, where
you would get four 53s
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all fired up at one time.
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And everyone comes
and lines the hangars,
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and everybody's got
their phones out.
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[slow, somber music]
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The sight to just watch
these four giant machines,
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all at once just rise up, all
the sudden become this agile,
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powerful behemoth
that's just effortlessly
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flying through the sky.
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[helicopters fluttering]
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It's a sign of just strength.
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- We had actually visited
several times in Norfolk.
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We were walking around and
looking at the helicopter,
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and we had his son with
us, and I said to Wes,
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"Do they ever have a day
when you can fly your family
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"and take us for a ride
in the helicopter?"
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And I will never forget that
because Wes turned to me
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and he looked me in
the eye and he said,
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"Mama, I would never take you
up in this piece of crap."
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[slow, sorrowful music]
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And, I just looked back
at him, and I didn't know
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what to say because that
was what he was flying.
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[slow, somber music]
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- [Narrator] The Navy 53s
entered service in 1986.
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In 2010, when Van Dorn
checked into his squadron,
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known as HM-14, the
helicopters were worn out,
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and should've been retired.
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- The Navy, in the late
90s, had started to come up
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with a plan to replace
these helicopters.
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And then, when that plan
goes out the window,
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it's kinda like
they're in limbo.
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- [Narrator] The Navy tried
new ships, mine-sweeping gear,
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and towing with less
powerful helicopters.
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Nothing worked as planned, so
they were stuck with the 53.
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And because the relic helicopter
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was destined to be replaced,
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money for spare parts and
maintenance was hard to come by.
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- Commanding officers
of the squadrons
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are applying pressure
down on these guys
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to keep the aircraft going
with fewer and fewer resources.
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And so, out of that, all
these bad habits formed
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in which guys were
taking shortcuts.
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And that's when this
culture of just get her done
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kind of took hold.
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- When I checked into
HM-14 I was about as green
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as it comes to Naval aviation.
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Everybody has these
preconceived notions
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of what aircraft maintenance is
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because you've changed a tire
on a car, or changed your oil.
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That's not what it is.
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There's a million
preset publications
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that are figured out by
engineers, and they've decided
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this is the way that you're
gonna work on this aircraft.
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So, [sighing] to put it mildly,
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we didn't do that.
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It kinda always turned in
to a flight hours first,
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safety second kind of a thing.
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And it was kinda one of those,
as long as nothin' messed up
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along the way, and as long
as too large of a crowd
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didn't see it, it was okay.
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[helicopter fluttering]
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- [Woman] There's gotta
be something wrong.
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Shit.
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[crashing]
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- [Narrator] The 53
has a serious accident
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more than twice as often as
the average military aircraft.
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- Holy fuck.
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- [Narrator] Three went down
in a two-month span in 2012.
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Van Dorn's sister squadron lost
one on a runway in Bahrain,
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and another in a
mountain ravine in Oman.
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[speaking foreign language]
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Van Dorn's unit lost one too,
in a radish field in Korea.
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- When you have a
string of crashes
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in a short amount of time,
it doesn't necessarily
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give you the warm
and fuzzies inside.
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And you don't get
the warm and fuzzies
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when you're on an aircraft
and it's having these issues.
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And I knew aviation wasn't
always the safest thing to do,
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but at that time I was young
and I was wet behind the ears.
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I was just learning, so I
didn't ask too many questions.
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But I really began to
realize there were problems
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the summer of 2012.
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- [Narrator] HM-14 had to ferry
four 53s across the country,
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to an exercise in San Diego.
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- The aircraft I was on kept
getting main gear box chips.
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That means the gears
are coming apart.
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We left Norfolk, Virginia
with four aircraft,
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and by the time we
got to California
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we only had one
aircraft that was up
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and able to do the
missions for that exercise.
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It's not performing
to the capability
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that was advertised to you.
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Why are we having
all these problems?
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- He would just come home
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and he'd have that
frustrated look on his face.
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What he was most
frustrated about was that
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he never got to fly.
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He would be on a flight
schedule, he would go into work,
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he would sit there, and
he wouldn't get to fly
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because something
would be broken.
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He would text me and
keep me kinda updated
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and tell me how many hours late
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he was going to be that day.
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[slow, somber music]
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He didn't have a grand theory
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on why exactly they
were happening,
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but they were little things
that happened repeatedly
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that he thought was perhaps
evidence of a bigger trend.
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[slow, somber music]
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- [Man] Okay, get out.
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- [Man] Watch your step, yeah.
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- If that shit is full--
- There's the irrigation ditch
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- Huh?
- The irrigation ditch.
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- The 2012 crash in
Korea was the first time
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that Wes really put
two and two together.
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- [Narrator] Van Dorn was one
of the first on the scene.
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The Navy interviewed him
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when they opened
their investigation.
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- [Interviewer] All right,
start off by, say your name.
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- [Wes] All right, I'm
Lieutenant Wes Van Dorn.
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- [Interviewer] What
was your take as far as
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working with the troops?
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- [Wes] They're
hard-working young kids.
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They at least start
out motivated.
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But they're only gonna
do what's asked of 'em.
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And then, senior enlisted,
seems like they don't really
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care about their
junior enlisted.
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And I think that's a huge
issue in our squadron.
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- [Narrator] In his testimony,
Van Dorn said he was worried
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that enlisted sailors were
ignoring the step-by-step guides
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on how to care for the 53,
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books that sailors and
Marines call the pubs.
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- [Interviewer] Well, do
you do the job per the pub?
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- [Wes] Well, yeah.
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- [Interviewer] Yeah, but did
you do the job per the pub,
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step one, step two, step three?
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- [Wes] Well, no.
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"Listen guys, we all
know that's not the pub.
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"Why are you guys not doing it?"
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"Well sir, it's a lotta
work to do it that way.
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"It's really hard,
we've got planes to fly,
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"we've got other
stuff to do, we got--"
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- [Interviewer] Yeah.
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- [Wes] There's a reason
why we have these pubs.
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If our kids aren't being
properly taught how to use 'em,
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what's the point?
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- [Interviewer] So
you're suggesting
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that the training failure
and the cultural failure
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has simply been allowed
to perpetuate over time.
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- [Wes] The officer leadership
has been non-existent.
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- [Narrator] Van Dorn
felt that senior officers
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didn't want to admit
that there were problems
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at the squadron,
or with the 53s.
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According to military
records, he submitted a memo
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to superiors saying,
skipper after skipper
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has continued to fudge numbers
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because they didn't want
to be the whistleblower.
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- You're fighting
an uphill battle,
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and you're not getting
the things you need,
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and you're expected
to do more with less.
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And, when you mix that
in with poor maintenance,
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it's a recipe for disaster.
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[machine whirring]
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[slow, somber music]
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- [Narrator] The first fatal
crash in a 54E came in 1984.
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The helicopter broke apart
as it was lifting a truck.
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Four Marines died.
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A mechanic who recorded a
tape about his concerns,
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died in a crash two years later.
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Congress opened
an investigation.
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By early 1987, 20 people had
died in training accidents
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on the 53E.
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- A Navy helicopter exploded
off the coast of San Francisco
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in heavy fog Monday,
eight crewmen are missing.
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Rescuers do not expect
to find any survivors.
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- There was pieces of debris
from the size of a quarter
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to as large as a Volkswagen.
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- [Narrator] The death
toll ticked upward,
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both in the military,
and at the manufacturer.
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- CH-53E, or Super Stallion
helicopter as it is called,
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crashed here at
Sikorsky this morning,
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killing all four
people on board.
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The helicopter went down
during a test flight.
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- The helicopter full of
Marines, and one Navy sailor,
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had gone down.
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The sailor and 30 U.S.
Marines were killed.
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- [Reporter] The CH-53 Super
Stallion, like this one--
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- [Narrator] 31 dead
in a single crash.
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It made for the deadliest
day for U.S. troops
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in the entire Iraq war.
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25 fatal accidents.
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Some were the
fault of the pilot,
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and others, the helicopter.
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By the end of 2013,
over 100 service members
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had been killed on the 53E,
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not one the result
of enemy fire.
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- The burden of everything
that he saw going on
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weighed heavily on Wes.
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[slow, somber music]
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He felt like no matter what
he said or what he wrote
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or who he complained to,
nothing was changing.
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- [Wes] If anyone should
care about what's happening
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on that aircraft,
it should be me
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and the other pilots, I think.
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It makes sense to me,
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'cause I'm the one
who's gonna get in it
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and have something terrible
happen if it doesn't go right.
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[light, somber music]
[birds cawing]
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- [Reporter] Tens of millions
of Americans face a day
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of dangerously cold weather.
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- [Reporter] Subzero
temperatures blanketing
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so much of our country.
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Take a look at these
wind chills everywhere.
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- [Reporter] Minus
40 or even worse,
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and that's causing
all sorts of problems
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including burst pipes
and power outages,
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and this is no time--
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- [Narrator] Besides the
cold, it was suppose to be
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a routine morning.
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If the sailors of HM-14
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could get their
helicopters in the air,
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they'd fly a run-of-the-mill
mine sweeping exercise.
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- When I showed up
at the squadron,
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found out one of the
air crew members,
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their pipes had burst at
their house, so I filled in,
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because I was one of the
only available crewmen
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at the squadron at that time.
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[helicopter whirring]
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- [Narrator] Dylan Boone joined
air crewman Brian Collins,
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crew chief Justin Godfrey,
co-pilot Sean Snyder,
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with Van Dorn in
the pilot's seat.
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Mechanic Chris
Humme came in early,
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and checked to be sure
the freezing temperatures
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weren't causing extra
problems for the helicopters.
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- Normal troubleshooting
stuff comes up,
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this light popped on, this
circuit breaker pops this,
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check this, check
this, normal stuff.
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But everything
appeared to be fine.
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I had a pretty good rapport
with Lieutenant Van Dorn.
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He just wanted to
know it was good.
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He was like, "Humme,
just tell me shit's good.
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"You're qualified, I trust you."
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"Roger that, sir, shit's
good, shit's good."
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00:20:44,373 --> 00:20:46,332
And I slapped him on the back,
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and I turned around and
I got outta the cockpit
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and I walked off the
aircraft and it flew away.
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[helicopter fluttering]
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- One, one, base, we are
proceeding to the tow fields.
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I'll tell you what, we'll
just stop there at 15 feet,
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we got plenty of
power comin' to 75.
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So we're good.
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Tracks set in the water.
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00:21:12,271 --> 00:21:16,971
- [Man Over Radio] Cleared
one, roger 84, should be nice.
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00:21:18,059 --> 00:21:19,452
- It was just a regular
training mission.
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I guess that's where
some of my anger lies.
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Because it could've been
avoided, should've been avoided.
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[wires sizzling]
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00:21:32,900 --> 00:21:35,729
[swishing]
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00:21:35,816 --> 00:21:40,777
I felt some heat blow on
my neck and turned around
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00:21:42,475 --> 00:21:44,477
and saw that we had flames
and smoke in the cabin.
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It was like a flamethrower
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that was just eating
everything in its path.
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00:21:50,352 --> 00:21:52,702
[scary music]
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And, by the time you know it,
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you're just wishing for the
fire to go out, and it's not.
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00:22:00,580 --> 00:22:03,452
And you're just trying to
get some air and you can't.
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00:22:03,539 --> 00:22:07,413
And in a weird, sadistic
way you're thankful
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00:22:07,500 --> 00:22:09,676
that it finally hit something
401
00:22:10,807 --> 00:22:12,505
because it's either
you're gonna drown
402
00:22:12,592 --> 00:22:15,421
or the fire's gonna be
put out by the water.
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00:22:15,508 --> 00:22:20,513
And, that was your
escape, is a wreck.
404
00:22:21,514 --> 00:22:26,127
[crashing]
[water splashing]
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00:22:28,521 --> 00:22:31,480
I woke up probably
about 20 seconds later
406
00:22:31,567 --> 00:22:34,091
about 20 feet under
water with the aircraft,
407
00:22:34,178 --> 00:22:36,311
and I swam to the surface.
408
00:22:36,398 --> 00:22:38,618
The water was 40 degrees.
409
00:22:38,705 --> 00:22:40,707
Could hear screams in the
distance, didn't know from who.
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00:22:42,535 --> 00:22:44,537
Eventually, we
finally popped a smoke
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00:22:44,624 --> 00:22:47,975
and our sister
aircraft came over
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00:22:48,062 --> 00:22:49,977
and started radioing for help.
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00:22:50,064 --> 00:22:51,718
[eerie music]
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00:22:54,416 --> 00:22:56,157
- [Narrator] The debris
field covered the area
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00:22:56,244 --> 00:22:57,680
of four football fields.
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00:22:57,767 --> 00:23:00,988
But most of the
helicopter quickly sank,
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00:23:02,598 --> 00:23:05,079
the remnants of the chopper
known as Vulcan 5-4-3.
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00:23:08,212 --> 00:23:10,693
[computer keys clicking]
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00:23:12,652 --> 00:23:14,697
- One of the newer guys
to the squadron comes in
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and he says, "4-3's
in the water."
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00:23:18,571 --> 00:23:21,182
I didn't even turn around
and I like, "Say what?"
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00:23:21,269 --> 00:23:23,532
And he said, "4-3's
in the water."
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00:23:23,619 --> 00:23:26,405
And then you just
start panicking.
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00:23:26,492 --> 00:23:28,058
Did I do this?
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00:23:28,145 --> 00:23:29,582
Did I tell him that shit
was good and it wasn't?
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00:23:32,323 --> 00:23:34,630
And you know you did it right,
you just, you don't know.
427
00:23:34,717 --> 00:23:37,372
Because it's a crash,
there's a helicopter
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00:23:37,459 --> 00:23:38,765
that crashed into the ocean
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00:23:38,852 --> 00:23:40,636
on a day that it's
10 below zero.
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00:23:40,723 --> 00:23:43,857
And you have this mental
picture of these men freezing
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00:23:43,944 --> 00:23:48,949
in the coldest day,
the coldest day that...
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00:23:49,602 --> 00:23:52,474
[slow, somber music]
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00:23:57,610 --> 00:24:00,526
- [Dylan] It was the longest
45 minutes of my life.
434
00:24:02,484 --> 00:24:03,529
It was fuckin' cold.
435
00:24:06,619 --> 00:24:10,666
- I got a text message,
just said, is Wes okay?
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00:24:12,494 --> 00:24:14,365
We heard that a 53 went down.
437
00:24:14,453 --> 00:24:16,063
[bold music]
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00:24:16,150 --> 00:24:17,934
- We're back on the air
now with breaking news
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00:24:18,021 --> 00:24:20,589
where we've learned a military
helicopter has gone down
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00:24:20,676 --> 00:24:23,549
off the coast, five people
on board we're told.
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00:24:23,636 --> 00:24:25,420
- [Reporter] The
helicopter went down
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00:24:25,507 --> 00:24:27,857
about 18 nautical miles off
the Virginia Beach coast.
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00:24:27,944 --> 00:24:29,772
Four of the five
helicopter crew members
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00:24:29,859 --> 00:24:33,384
are already en route to Sentara
Norfolk General Hospital.
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00:24:34,647 --> 00:24:38,128
- Nicole texted me 9-1-1.
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00:24:38,215 --> 00:24:39,826
I knew I needed to call her.
447
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,047
And, [sniffling]
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00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,878
we just got in the car
and started driving
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00:24:48,965 --> 00:24:50,576
to Virginia Beach.
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00:24:54,014 --> 00:24:56,320
- I asked a hospital
administrator to come back in
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00:24:56,407 --> 00:24:58,409
and I looked her in
the eyes and I said,
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00:24:59,672 --> 00:25:01,804
"I see these
chaplains walking by.
453
00:25:01,891 --> 00:25:03,502
"I don't know what
they're here for.
454
00:25:03,589 --> 00:25:06,635
"I've been told that my
husband is in surgery.
455
00:25:09,682 --> 00:25:12,598
"But God help you
if he's near me
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00:25:12,685 --> 00:25:13,729
"and I don't get to
see him and he dies."
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00:25:16,689 --> 00:25:18,038
She came back a
minute or two later
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00:25:18,125 --> 00:25:19,605
and she said, "Come with me."
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00:25:19,692 --> 00:25:20,780
- [Wes] Pool splash,
kick, kick, kick.
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00:25:20,867 --> 00:25:21,868
[child laughing]
461
00:25:21,955 --> 00:25:23,304
Pool splash, pool splash.
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00:25:23,391 --> 00:25:25,001
- They let me hold his hand
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00:25:25,088 --> 00:25:28,831
and lay my head on his chest.
464
00:25:30,616 --> 00:25:34,315
And then I saw the, I
think he was a neurologist
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00:25:34,402 --> 00:25:35,882
because he has a little
flashlight in his hand
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00:25:35,969 --> 00:25:37,840
and he kept goin' like
this in Wes' eyes.
467
00:25:40,016 --> 00:25:40,713
Hey, bub.
468
00:25:42,410 --> 00:25:44,455
And then he kinda looked
at the other doctors
469
00:25:44,543 --> 00:25:46,762
and that's when I knew.
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00:25:49,852 --> 00:25:52,855
I just, I laid on him
for the next seven hours
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00:25:52,942 --> 00:25:55,075
waiting for his
parents to arrive.
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00:25:55,162 --> 00:26:00,384
And that was when the Navy
walked in to notify me
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00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,344
that he had been in
a helicopter crash.
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00:26:03,431 --> 00:26:05,433
[gentle music]
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00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:06,565
- [Reporter] Let's
turn our attention
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00:26:06,652 --> 00:26:08,088
to that deadly helicopter crash.
477
00:26:08,175 --> 00:26:10,569
Today is a struggle
for the community.
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00:26:10,656 --> 00:26:12,527
- Just kinda sittin' there numb.
479
00:26:13,833 --> 00:26:15,835
My wife came home and I was
sitting in, basically, the dark.
480
00:26:18,751 --> 00:26:22,102
And I just couldn't hold it
back, I just started bawling
481
00:26:22,189 --> 00:26:23,103
like a child.
482
00:26:25,758 --> 00:26:27,586
I just remember saying
over and over again,
483
00:26:27,673 --> 00:26:29,675
"They're dead, they're hurt,
they're dead, they're hurt.
484
00:26:29,762 --> 00:26:32,373
"I don't know if I did
it, it could've been me.
485
00:26:32,460 --> 00:26:33,896
"What if I did it?"
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00:26:33,983 --> 00:26:35,463
The mechanic in you, the
perfectionist in you,
487
00:26:35,550 --> 00:26:36,638
you just can't stop
thinking about,
488
00:26:36,725 --> 00:26:38,553
could I have stopped this?
489
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,556
Could I have changed something
that made this different?
490
00:26:41,643 --> 00:26:43,776
[slow, somber music]
491
00:26:44,907 --> 00:26:47,388
- [Narrator] It
would be eight months
492
00:26:47,475 --> 00:26:48,824
before Humme knew for sure
that he wasn't at fault.
493
00:26:53,481 --> 00:26:55,526
All he knew then was
that three sailors
494
00:26:55,614 --> 00:26:57,224
had died in the crash.
495
00:26:57,311 --> 00:27:00,488
[slow, somber music]
496
00:27:02,142 --> 00:27:06,886
Air crewman Brian Collins from
Truckee, California, was 25.
497
00:27:06,973 --> 00:27:08,801
He'd just celebrated his
first wedding anniversary.
498
00:27:11,325 --> 00:27:14,284
Co-pilot, Sean Snyder,
also from California,
499
00:27:14,371 --> 00:27:17,679
was 39, and the father of four.
500
00:27:17,766 --> 00:27:20,639
He was found with the wreckage
a week after the accident.
501
00:27:22,815 --> 00:27:25,992
Van Dorn died a month
shy of his 30th birthday.
502
00:27:28,516 --> 00:27:30,779
At the Naval Academy's
Memorial Hall,
503
00:27:30,866 --> 00:27:34,391
which commemorates graduates
who died in the line of duty,
504
00:27:34,478 --> 00:27:36,829
Van Dorn's name was
etched into the wall.
505
00:27:38,831 --> 00:27:40,833
He was the first in
his class to die.
506
00:27:54,020 --> 00:27:56,283
- Hey Scott, it's Mike
Hixenbaugh at the Pilot.
507
00:27:56,370 --> 00:27:57,763
I left a message on your cell.
508
00:27:57,850 --> 00:28:00,853
I was sitting at my
desk on January 8, 2014,
509
00:28:00,940 --> 00:28:03,769
and an alert goes out
on Twitter from the Navy
510
00:28:03,856 --> 00:28:06,075
saying that a
helicopter had crashed
511
00:28:06,162 --> 00:28:08,382
off the coast of Virginia.
512
00:28:10,558 --> 00:28:12,952
- [Narrator] Just two months
earlier, military reporter
513
00:28:13,039 --> 00:28:15,955
Mike Hixenbaugh had written
his first major article
514
00:28:16,042 --> 00:28:17,391
on the 53.
515
00:28:18,784 --> 00:28:21,090
It detailed its
history and problems.
516
00:28:22,744 --> 00:28:25,486
He'd interviewed Navy
Captain Todd Flannery,
517
00:28:25,573 --> 00:28:28,315
the East Coast's top
helicopter pilot.
518
00:28:28,402 --> 00:28:30,752
- And, he said, "We've
come a long way,
519
00:28:30,839 --> 00:28:32,406
"but we still have
a long way to go.
520
00:28:32,493 --> 00:28:34,234
"But we're heading in
the right direction."
521
00:28:34,321 --> 00:28:36,802
- A military helicopter has
gone down off the coast,
522
00:28:36,889 --> 00:28:38,151
five people on board.
523
00:28:38,238 --> 00:28:40,501
- When that alert came through,
524
00:28:40,588 --> 00:28:42,503
the thoughts rushing
through my mind are
525
00:28:42,590 --> 00:28:44,157
going back to my
interview with Flannery
526
00:28:44,244 --> 00:28:46,159
just two months earlier
when he's telling me
527
00:28:46,246 --> 00:28:47,987
that all the problems
that they've had
528
00:28:48,074 --> 00:28:49,728
with these helicopters,
all of the cultural issues,
529
00:28:49,815 --> 00:28:52,818
the leadership problems,
the maintenance issues.
530
00:28:52,905 --> 00:28:56,996
And my mind is racing,
thinking, what happened here?
531
00:28:57,083 --> 00:28:59,694
- Good afternoon everyone,
I'm Captain Todd Flannery,
532
00:28:59,781 --> 00:29:02,828
Commander, Helicopter
Sea Combat Wing Atlantic.
533
00:29:02,915 --> 00:29:04,525
I'm joined by--
534
00:29:04,612 --> 00:29:06,396
- [Mike] I remember
asking Flannery that day--
535
00:29:06,483 --> 00:29:08,790
- Today has definitely been
a tough day on all of us.
536
00:29:08,877 --> 00:29:11,532
- Whether he felt like
these aircraft were safe.
537
00:29:11,619 --> 00:29:12,968
Do you have any concerns
538
00:29:13,055 --> 00:29:15,275
about the safety
of these aircraft?
539
00:29:15,362 --> 00:29:17,756
- No, I don't, I do not.
540
00:29:17,843 --> 00:29:19,888
- Even on that day,
he maintained that,
541
00:29:19,975 --> 00:29:23,457
"Yes, I believe that
these are safe aircraft."
542
00:29:25,285 --> 00:29:29,768
I started working
on a story that,
543
00:29:29,855 --> 00:29:32,422
in much more detail than
I'd previously done,
544
00:29:32,509 --> 00:29:34,294
told the story of
the Sea Dragon.
545
00:29:34,381 --> 00:29:36,992
It was about a month after
the crash when it published.
546
00:29:38,907 --> 00:29:40,387
- [Narrator] The
front-page spread
547
00:29:40,474 --> 00:29:44,043
caught the attention
of Nicole Van Dorn.
548
00:29:44,130 --> 00:29:45,914
- He wasn't just accepting
the facts given to him
549
00:29:46,001 --> 00:29:51,311
by the Navy at face
value, was inquisitive.
550
00:29:51,398 --> 00:29:53,835
Maybe he's willing
to break the mold.
551
00:29:53,922 --> 00:29:57,230
Someone who's professional
enough to not just chase a story
552
00:29:57,317 --> 00:29:59,885
that isn't there, but
if there is truth to it,
553
00:29:59,972 --> 00:30:02,583
I also want someone who's
not afraid to dig deeper.
554
00:30:03,889 --> 00:30:05,760
- It was a day or two after
that, late one evening,
555
00:30:05,847 --> 00:30:09,242
I got a text message from a
number I didn't recognize,
556
00:30:09,329 --> 00:30:10,852
and it was Nicole Van Dorn.
557
00:30:10,939 --> 00:30:13,376
- My husband expressed
to me before he died
558
00:30:13,463 --> 00:30:15,770
that he was really worried
about things going on
559
00:30:15,857 --> 00:30:18,773
in the squadron, and he
kept copious records,
560
00:30:18,860 --> 00:30:20,775
and I don't know
if I have anything,
561
00:30:20,862 --> 00:30:22,211
but I also need a
place to bring it all.
562
00:30:22,298 --> 00:30:25,649
- The text sent
chills up my spine.
563
00:30:25,736 --> 00:30:30,741
It's a tragedy, it's a
guy who sees a problem,
564
00:30:32,004 --> 00:30:34,528
commits to trying to fix it,
and the problem kills him.
565
00:30:35,877 --> 00:30:37,009
- I guess from the
very beginning I just,
566
00:30:39,707 --> 00:30:41,013
I assumed that if
I wanted answers,
567
00:30:43,667 --> 00:30:47,454
really transparent,
truthful answers,
568
00:30:47,541 --> 00:30:49,369
I was gonna have
to get them myself.
569
00:30:51,893 --> 00:30:53,460
Once the helicopter
was recovered
570
00:30:53,547 --> 00:30:55,854
and it was in a hangar,
I said, "I wanna see it.
571
00:30:57,551 --> 00:31:00,554
"I wanna know what
actually caused the crash.
572
00:31:00,641 --> 00:31:03,078
"If it was Wes' fault, I
wanna know it was Wes' fault.
573
00:31:03,165 --> 00:31:05,689
"If it was one of the air
crewmen's fault, I wanna know.
574
00:31:05,776 --> 00:31:08,475
"If it was a failing of the
airframe, I wanna know."
575
00:31:08,562 --> 00:31:11,391
- I-I-I care not to
speculate on that.
576
00:31:12,566 --> 00:31:14,655
- [Narrator] To get the
answers she was seeking,
577
00:31:14,742 --> 00:31:17,440
Nicole pressed Captain
Flannery for updates.
578
00:31:18,659 --> 00:31:21,967
- He was very kind and
he called me a lot,
579
00:31:22,054 --> 00:31:25,535
and when I went to see
the wreckage he said,
580
00:31:25,622 --> 00:31:27,798
"The way it's looking is
that Wes was not at fault.
581
00:31:27,886 --> 00:31:30,497
"I want you to know that
to help you rest easy."
582
00:31:30,584 --> 00:31:31,933
That he did nothing wrong,
583
00:31:32,020 --> 00:31:33,761
that it was just
a freak accident.
584
00:31:35,067 --> 00:31:39,071
That's where the truth stopped
for me because, I don't,
585
00:31:41,464 --> 00:31:42,901
after everything that
Wes had said to me,
586
00:31:42,988 --> 00:31:45,164
and everything that I
knew about the airframe,
587
00:31:45,251 --> 00:31:47,557
there was just no way in my mind
588
00:31:47,644 --> 00:31:50,343
that it could've just
been a freak accident.
589
00:31:50,430 --> 00:31:52,780
[slow, somber music]
590
00:31:52,867 --> 00:31:54,608
- [Narrator] Navy
investigators ruled out
591
00:31:54,695 --> 00:31:58,046
problems with the engines,
swashplate, and tail rotor,
592
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,398
issues that had plagued
the 53 in the past.
593
00:32:05,401 --> 00:32:09,623
- I took a picture of where I
thought everything went wrong.
594
00:32:10,885 --> 00:32:15,803
One of these zip ties is
what started everything.
595
00:32:19,372 --> 00:32:21,156
- [Narrator] The
confidential Navy report
596
00:32:21,243 --> 00:32:23,593
found that a simple
plastic zip tie
597
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,073
unleashed the unlikely
chain of events.
598
00:32:27,119 --> 00:32:28,947
[zip tie clicking]
599
00:32:29,034 --> 00:32:32,124
The tiny nylon strap secured
a bundle of electrical wires
600
00:32:32,211 --> 00:32:33,777
near a metal fuel tube.
601
00:32:34,822 --> 00:32:37,477
Under constant
vibration during flight,
602
00:32:37,564 --> 00:32:41,263
the zip tie cut away the
wires' protective insulation,
603
00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:43,352
and wore a hole
in the fuel line.
604
00:32:44,832 --> 00:32:47,922
Through that tiny hole, a
pressurized mist of jet fuel
605
00:32:48,009 --> 00:32:52,144
escaped into the cabin and
arched with the exposed wires.
606
00:32:52,231 --> 00:32:54,059
- So the fire took place here.
607
00:32:54,146 --> 00:32:55,712
The report tells you there
was a fireball that happened.
608
00:32:55,799 --> 00:32:58,715
You can see how close
to the cockpit it is,
609
00:32:58,802 --> 00:33:01,718
relatively, compared to
the size of the helicopter.
610
00:33:01,805 --> 00:33:03,416
- Is there no way of just going.
611
00:33:03,503 --> 00:33:05,809
I asked the captain
again, "Are you confident
612
00:33:05,896 --> 00:33:09,770
"in the safety of this
aircraft," and he said, "Yes."
613
00:33:09,857 --> 00:33:11,163
- Admittedly it is
an aging aircraft,
614
00:33:11,250 --> 00:33:13,339
and requires
extensive maintenance,
615
00:33:13,426 --> 00:33:15,994
but continues to
perform a vital mission
616
00:33:16,081 --> 00:33:17,778
that no other helicopter
617
00:33:17,865 --> 00:33:20,955
in the U.S. military
inventory can accomplish.
618
00:33:21,042 --> 00:33:23,827
- Very hard to think that
your son lost his life
619
00:33:23,914 --> 00:33:26,482
because of cracked
wiring and a zip tie.
620
00:33:30,269 --> 00:33:33,228
- [Narrator] The Navy ordered
the inspection of all 53s
621
00:33:33,315 --> 00:33:34,751
for signs of chafing.
622
00:33:36,057 --> 00:33:38,364
[clicking]
623
00:33:39,887 --> 00:33:42,542
After the first
anniversary of the crash,
624
00:33:42,629 --> 00:33:46,067
Wes Van Dorn's
story went national.
625
00:33:46,154 --> 00:33:49,070
[slow, somber music]
626
00:33:53,901 --> 00:33:55,946
- Now to an NBC
News investigation
627
00:33:56,034 --> 00:33:58,906
in partnership with the
Virginian-Pilot newspaper
628
00:33:58,993 --> 00:34:01,604
and the Berkeley Investigative
Reporting Program.
629
00:34:01,691 --> 00:34:03,215
- [Reporter] ] Captain
Todd Flannery was in charge
630
00:34:03,302 --> 00:34:04,738
of Van Dorn's Sea
Dragon squadron.
631
00:34:04,825 --> 00:34:07,784
He took us inside one
of the huge helicopters.
632
00:34:07,871 --> 00:34:09,743
But in the case
of the Sea Dragon,
633
00:34:09,830 --> 00:34:13,921
it was the worst safety record
of any aircraft in the Navy.
634
00:34:15,836 --> 00:34:17,229
- It does.
635
00:34:17,316 --> 00:34:18,708
- Five people killed
in four crashes
636
00:34:18,795 --> 00:34:20,014
in the course of two years.
637
00:34:20,101 --> 00:34:21,972
- Yes.
638
00:34:22,060 --> 00:34:23,844
- Those are odds I don't think
most of us would wanna take.
639
00:34:23,931 --> 00:34:26,151
- They are not good, those
numbers are not good at all.
640
00:34:26,238 --> 00:34:28,675
- How many crashes
do we have to have?
641
00:34:29,937 --> 00:34:32,505
- We can't have another
crash, we just can't.
642
00:34:32,592 --> 00:34:35,508
[deep, somber music]
643
00:34:35,595 --> 00:34:38,032
- In the days after
the story published,
644
00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:41,166
several people kind of
came out of the woodwork.
645
00:34:41,253 --> 00:34:45,083
[deep, somber orchestral music]
646
00:35:13,154 --> 00:35:17,463
One of the sources provided
documents that showed
647
00:35:17,550 --> 00:35:20,553
that the wiring fuel line
problems hadn't been fixed,
648
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,816
the very kind that
caused the crash.
649
00:35:23,817 --> 00:35:27,908
[deep, somber orchestral music]
650
00:35:32,173 --> 00:35:36,525
These aircraft were still
flying and nothing had changed.
651
00:35:40,312 --> 00:35:42,009
- I got up in the morning,
652
00:35:42,096 --> 00:35:43,706
I'm having a cup of coffee
and I read this article,
653
00:35:43,793 --> 00:35:45,491
and I'm like, okay,
that's a Marine airplane,
654
00:35:45,578 --> 00:35:47,101
we have a problem.
655
00:35:47,188 --> 00:35:49,059
And I called my Navy
counterparts and said,
656
00:35:49,147 --> 00:35:51,888
"We have a problem here and
we need to get it fixed."
657
00:35:53,281 --> 00:35:54,630
- [Narrator] No one
was more surprised
658
00:35:54,717 --> 00:35:56,458
to learn about the
failed inspection effort
659
00:35:56,545 --> 00:35:59,418
than Lieutenant
General Jon Davis.
660
00:35:59,505 --> 00:36:01,898
He was named the Marine
Corps' top aviator
661
00:36:01,985 --> 00:36:04,901
five months after
Van Dorn's crash.
662
00:36:04,988 --> 00:36:08,949
He was responsible for
the fleet of Marine 53s.
663
00:36:09,036 --> 00:36:11,865
Now retired, he was
the only senior officer
664
00:36:11,952 --> 00:36:14,041
willing to be interviewed
for this film.
665
00:36:15,521 --> 00:36:18,741
- Try not to lose my
composure, but I was unhappy.
666
00:36:18,828 --> 00:36:20,613
I was concerned.
667
00:36:20,700 --> 00:36:24,356
From hey, we're good
to, we're not so good.
668
00:36:25,705 --> 00:36:27,489
An independent person
out there taking pictures
669
00:36:27,576 --> 00:36:30,318
found things that aren't in
line with what we thought,
670
00:36:30,405 --> 00:36:32,494
people thought the
standard should be.
671
00:36:32,581 --> 00:36:35,541
So yeah, I wanted
facts, I wanted data,
I wanted it quickly.
672
00:36:36,759 --> 00:36:38,674
- [Narrator] Davis
grounded the fleet.
673
00:36:39,458 --> 00:36:41,416
Sailors and Marines spent months
674
00:36:41,503 --> 00:36:43,418
looking for signs of chafing,
675
00:36:43,505 --> 00:36:45,768
while pilots were
on the sidelines.
676
00:36:47,335 --> 00:36:48,945
- No one's gonna fly
until we find out
677
00:36:49,032 --> 00:36:50,643
if we've got a problem
out there in the fleet,
678
00:36:50,730 --> 00:36:52,384
which was the
responsible thing to do.
679
00:36:52,471 --> 00:36:54,342
Stop, everybody stop.
680
00:36:54,429 --> 00:36:57,432
And no one in the Marine Corp
faulted me for that, nobody.
681
00:36:59,565 --> 00:37:01,175
- [Narrator] But there's
clear evidence that the Navy
682
00:37:01,262 --> 00:37:03,482
and Marines knew for decades,
683
00:37:03,569 --> 00:37:06,224
even when the 53 was
still in prototype stage,
684
00:37:06,311 --> 00:37:08,356
that there was another problem.
685
00:37:08,443 --> 00:37:12,404
The type of wiring
on the helicopters
was a serious threat.
686
00:37:13,492 --> 00:37:15,276
- This is a piece of
Kapton-insulated wire.
687
00:37:15,363 --> 00:37:18,061
It's still made to this day
and flies on over a third
688
00:37:18,148 --> 00:37:19,585
of the world's
commercial planes.
689
00:37:20,716 --> 00:37:22,762
- [Narrator] The BBC
used the Navy's research
690
00:37:22,849 --> 00:37:25,591
when it published a report on
a wiring type known as Kapton.
691
00:37:27,854 --> 00:37:30,248
- Kapton is best when
young, it's featherweight,
692
00:37:30,335 --> 00:37:32,859
the thickness of only
about three human hairs,
693
00:37:32,946 --> 00:37:34,861
flame resistant, tough.
694
00:37:34,948 --> 00:37:38,168
That was the good news,
and this is the bad.
695
00:37:38,256 --> 00:37:40,649
[sizzling]
696
00:37:40,736 --> 00:37:43,435
The Kapton insulation can
explode like a firework
697
00:37:43,522 --> 00:37:46,307
if it's chafed and
rubs against metal.
698
00:37:47,526 --> 00:37:49,354
- [Narrator] Particularly
bad for the Navy,
699
00:37:49,441 --> 00:37:51,138
tests showed that the
problems get worse
700
00:37:51,225 --> 00:37:53,227
in wet environments.
701
00:37:53,314 --> 00:37:55,229
[sizzling]
702
00:37:55,316 --> 00:37:57,971
- [BBC Reporter] Kapton
insulation burned to a crisp.
703
00:37:59,451 --> 00:38:01,888
- [Narrator] In the late
80s, the Navy decided
704
00:38:01,975 --> 00:38:05,587
to discontinue the use of
Kapton wire in its aircraft.
705
00:38:07,459 --> 00:38:09,896
But the ban was a half measure.
706
00:38:09,983 --> 00:38:13,552
It applied only to
new 53s and repairs,
707
00:38:13,639 --> 00:38:16,642
not to the 151 helicopters
built with Kapton.
708
00:38:18,861 --> 00:38:22,735
- If everybody knows that
this wiring insulation is bad,
709
00:38:22,822 --> 00:38:25,738
it shouldn't be used, then
everybody that's in the chain
710
00:38:25,825 --> 00:38:29,481
of it should know better,
and should not let it happen.
711
00:38:31,134 --> 00:38:33,615
- [Narrator] Louis Franecke
argued before the Supreme Court
712
00:38:33,702 --> 00:38:36,836
in a case involving an
earlier version of the 53.
713
00:38:38,838 --> 00:38:42,058
He sued the manufacturer,
claiming a design flaw
714
00:38:42,145 --> 00:38:43,538
led to a pilot's death.
715
00:38:45,410 --> 00:38:47,281
- You can't sue the military
for things that go wrong.
716
00:38:47,368 --> 00:38:48,326
- Hand salute.
717
00:38:49,979 --> 00:38:52,025
- Some lieutenant says,
"Go run over that hill,"
718
00:38:52,112 --> 00:38:53,548
and you get shot.
719
00:38:53,635 --> 00:38:55,245
Maybe it wasn't the
right thing to do,
720
00:38:55,333 --> 00:38:57,030
he should've said, "Run
over the other hill,"
721
00:38:57,117 --> 00:38:59,119
and you wouldn't get shot,
you can't sue for that.
722
00:38:59,206 --> 00:39:00,599
We all accept that.
723
00:39:00,686 --> 00:39:02,209
But the products
are something else.
724
00:39:02,296 --> 00:39:04,777
- [Man] More arching
and burning occurred,
725
00:39:04,864 --> 00:39:08,911
which re-tripped this breaker,
and caused four more to trip.
726
00:39:08,998 --> 00:39:10,435
- They're not
volunteering to be killed
727
00:39:10,522 --> 00:39:11,871
by their own military
728
00:39:11,958 --> 00:39:14,134
or the military products
that're supplied.
729
00:39:15,875 --> 00:39:18,268
- [Narrator] Franecke
lost the case.
730
00:39:18,356 --> 00:39:20,880
The Court found in favor
of the manufacturer.
731
00:39:23,099 --> 00:39:27,321
Like the military, government
contractors were now immune
732
00:39:27,408 --> 00:39:29,584
as long as they
followed design specs,
733
00:39:29,671 --> 00:39:31,543
and the government had
knowledge of potential dangers.
734
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,330
- The families who
have lost a loved one
735
00:39:36,417 --> 00:39:38,419
because of a defective
military product
736
00:39:38,506 --> 00:39:40,726
have essentially no recourse.
737
00:39:40,813 --> 00:39:44,338
They are the least powerful
to ever stop using it
738
00:39:44,425 --> 00:39:46,471
or have something changed.
739
00:39:46,558 --> 00:39:48,995
The game is rigged, it's
rigged against them.
740
00:39:49,082 --> 00:39:51,824
The people who are really
hurt have no power.
741
00:39:54,435 --> 00:39:55,523
- [Interviewer] Should
he still be alive?
742
00:39:55,610 --> 00:39:56,568
- Sure, of course he should be.
743
00:39:58,091 --> 00:40:00,006
He should be alive
because that product
744
00:40:00,093 --> 00:40:03,488
shouldn't have that insulation
that causes that problem.
745
00:40:03,575 --> 00:40:04,924
Could he have been
killed by something else?
746
00:40:05,011 --> 00:40:07,361
Maybe, but that's
not what did it.
747
00:40:07,448 --> 00:40:10,756
What did it, is a history
of people ignoring
748
00:40:10,843 --> 00:40:14,107
what needed to be done,
and should've been fixed.
749
00:40:16,457 --> 00:40:18,503
- [Narrator] Court records
show that Sikorsky,
750
00:40:18,590 --> 00:40:21,506
the manufacturer, twice
recommended replacing Kapton
751
00:40:21,593 --> 00:40:25,858
on the 53, after learning
of safety issues.
752
00:40:25,945 --> 00:40:28,687
That was more than three
decades before Van Dorn's crash.
753
00:40:30,906 --> 00:40:34,693
After a third proposal, the
Navy decided to explore removal.
754
00:40:38,261 --> 00:40:41,613
Navy safety records reveal
that Kapton has been involved
755
00:40:41,700 --> 00:40:44,137
in more than 50 incidents
on the aircraft.
756
00:40:45,704 --> 00:40:48,794
One report from 1999
foreshadowed Van
Dorn's accident.
757
00:40:50,796 --> 00:40:52,885
- It's almost as if I'm reading
758
00:40:52,972 --> 00:40:56,454
the Safety Investigation
Report from Wes' crash.
759
00:40:57,759 --> 00:41:00,545
"The location of the hole
on the pipe indicates
760
00:41:00,632 --> 00:41:02,155
"chafing had occurred
during normal
761
00:41:02,242 --> 00:41:03,765
"aircraft vibrations in flight."
762
00:41:05,767 --> 00:41:09,249
- One of the plastic zip ties
wrapped around the wire bundle
763
00:41:09,336 --> 00:41:10,685
rubbed against the pipe.
764
00:41:10,772 --> 00:41:12,687
Over an unknown period of time,
765
00:41:12,774 --> 00:41:14,559
these components became
soaked with fuel,
766
00:41:14,646 --> 00:41:16,343
and they eventually ignited.
767
00:41:18,780 --> 00:41:21,783
Well I'm glad the damage
was minor for them.
768
00:41:23,219 --> 00:41:24,786
I wish that would've
been our case.
769
00:41:26,309 --> 00:41:29,922
I would take that
over, that's shitty.
770
00:41:33,708 --> 00:41:37,930
Why wasn't this, was
this ever addressed?
771
00:41:40,062 --> 00:41:40,802
I don't think so.
772
00:41:43,370 --> 00:41:45,503
That was 15 years.
773
00:41:48,549 --> 00:41:50,072
- [Narrator] The
investigation into Boone
774
00:41:50,159 --> 00:41:52,814
and Van Dorn's crash
never mentions Kapton.
775
00:41:54,512 --> 00:41:56,426
The maintenance log shows
that some of the wiring
776
00:41:56,514 --> 00:41:58,820
had been replaced, though not
at the site of the explosion.
777
00:42:00,779 --> 00:42:02,781
- [Interviewer] Why
would it have still been
778
00:42:02,868 --> 00:42:05,610
on that MH-53E that
crashed in Virginia?
779
00:42:05,697 --> 00:42:10,615
- I don't know, I
don't know the why.
780
00:42:10,702 --> 00:42:13,661
And I didn't know about Kapton
wiring problems, per se.
781
00:42:13,748 --> 00:42:17,926
I knew we had a plan to replace
our Kapton wiring by 2019.
782
00:42:20,973 --> 00:42:23,541
- [Narrator] After we
interviewed General Davis,
783
00:42:23,628 --> 00:42:27,457
we found a Navy memo from
2009 that sounded the alarm
784
00:42:27,545 --> 00:42:29,372
about Kapton's dangers.
785
00:42:29,459 --> 00:42:32,550
[suspenseful music]
786
00:42:36,423 --> 00:42:38,643
Senior officers
signed the document,
787
00:42:38,730 --> 00:42:41,733
approving a plan to only
gradually replace Kapton.
788
00:42:43,125 --> 00:42:46,041
One of the signatures
belonged to General Davis.
789
00:42:48,740 --> 00:42:50,568
We went back to
him and Davis said
790
00:42:50,655 --> 00:42:52,657
he doesn't recall the memo,
791
00:42:52,744 --> 00:42:55,660
but he said that replacing
Kapton in phases,
792
00:42:55,747 --> 00:42:58,010
and implementing two
other safety measures,
793
00:42:58,097 --> 00:42:59,446
seemed reasonable.
794
00:42:59,533 --> 00:43:01,317
[popping and crackling]
795
00:43:01,404 --> 00:43:04,669
Despite the tests, warnings,
and decades of knowledge,
796
00:43:04,756 --> 00:43:06,845
the Navy said it
never had enough money
797
00:43:06,932 --> 00:43:08,803
to replace all the
wiring in the 53s.
798
00:43:11,458 --> 00:43:12,894
- One of the things
Captain Flannery told me
799
00:43:12,981 --> 00:43:15,680
when I sat down with
him back in 2013,
800
00:43:15,767 --> 00:43:18,683
was that the Sea Dragon,
for several years had been
801
00:43:18,770 --> 00:43:19,771
what he called a "bill payer."
802
00:43:22,687 --> 00:43:26,560
So in other words, funding
to say replace Kapton wiring
803
00:43:26,647 --> 00:43:29,607
would be rerouted
someplace else.
804
00:43:30,912 --> 00:43:32,871
'Cause the Sea Dragons
were gonna go away.
805
00:43:32,958 --> 00:43:35,525
And so that money would
be put to some other need,
806
00:43:35,613 --> 00:43:39,617
some other mission, some other
more high profile platform.
807
00:43:41,749 --> 00:43:43,882
- [Narrator] The Navy called
Kapton the highest ranked
808
00:43:43,969 --> 00:43:45,623
safety risk in the fleet.
809
00:43:46,754 --> 00:43:49,061
But just months before
Van Dorn's crash,
810
00:43:49,148 --> 00:43:53,195
the Pentagon diverted funds
away from Kapton replacement,
811
00:43:53,282 --> 00:43:56,721
further delaying the effort
to remove the deadly wiring.
812
00:43:57,896 --> 00:43:57,983
- How dare you.
813
00:44:01,987 --> 00:44:04,424
[sniffling]
814
00:44:04,511 --> 00:44:06,992
It's just irresponsible.
815
00:44:07,079 --> 00:44:09,559
[slow, somber music]
816
00:44:09,647 --> 00:44:11,561
I just don't see how you can
817
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,393
not maintain the
military equipment
818
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,701
that all of these fine
people's lives depend on
819
00:44:20,788 --> 00:44:22,747
to the upmost of our ability.
820
00:44:24,749 --> 00:44:26,925
- I look at the moon,
it looks like a boat.
821
00:44:28,622 --> 00:44:32,844
My dad's arms, my dad's
arms are like a boat too.
822
00:44:34,062 --> 00:44:38,458
I think any widow would tell you
823
00:44:38,545 --> 00:44:42,375
that it doesn't get easier.
824
00:44:43,419 --> 00:44:46,422
The sting is still the same.
825
00:44:46,509 --> 00:44:50,775
My dad looks at me, and
I climb onto his lap.
826
00:44:50,862 --> 00:44:53,473
I've had something to
connect with Wes through,
827
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,475
which is trying
to finish his work
828
00:44:55,562 --> 00:44:58,130
and trying to get
his voice out there.
829
00:44:58,217 --> 00:44:59,348
- [Interviewer]
How will you know
830
00:44:59,435 --> 00:45:02,003
when your work now is complete?
831
00:45:03,265 --> 00:45:06,704
- I think I'll know
that it's complete
832
00:45:08,488 --> 00:45:11,099
when people stop coming
to me with concerns.
833
00:45:11,186 --> 00:45:12,840
Night babe, love you.
834
00:45:12,927 --> 00:45:14,973
- [Child] Love you too.
835
00:45:15,060 --> 00:45:17,976
[deep, somber music]
836
00:45:19,151 --> 00:45:22,850
- I read the full story
in the Virginia-Pilot.
837
00:45:22,937 --> 00:45:26,680
And I was like, "Van Dorn,
I remember that accident,"
838
00:45:26,767 --> 00:45:29,161
and said, "Hey, this may be
more than just a Navy issue.
839
00:45:29,248 --> 00:45:33,339
"This may be a 53-wide issue,
across both communities,
840
00:45:33,426 --> 00:45:34,993
the Marine Corp and the Navy.
841
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,343
And that kinda prompted
me to contact Mike,
842
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:39,737
and then get in touch
with Nicole after that.
843
00:45:42,174 --> 00:45:44,524
- [Narrator] Captain James
Skelton flew the Marine version
844
00:45:44,611 --> 00:45:46,047
of the 53 for seven years.
845
00:45:48,354 --> 00:45:50,530
As a quality assurance officer,
846
00:45:50,617 --> 00:45:53,838
he kept a sharp eye on
maintenance and safety,
847
00:45:53,925 --> 00:45:57,015
and he found himself at odds
with leaders primarily focused
848
00:45:57,102 --> 00:45:57,929
on getting aircraft in the air.
849
00:46:00,235 --> 00:46:03,369
- In the infantry, you can
smash a guy for complaining.
850
00:46:03,456 --> 00:46:04,936
Boo hoo, cry me a river,
I don't give a damn.
851
00:46:05,023 --> 00:46:06,589
Get your ass back out
on the front line.
852
00:46:06,676 --> 00:46:09,549
That's fine, that's
how it's suppose to be.
853
00:46:09,636 --> 00:46:11,769
[wind whipping]
[sand sprinkling]
854
00:46:11,856 --> 00:46:13,161
But, if you're in the
aviation environment,
855
00:46:13,248 --> 00:46:14,772
it doesn't work that way.
856
00:46:14,859 --> 00:46:16,730
The lowest guy should
be able to bring up
857
00:46:16,817 --> 00:46:19,951
the biggest problem, to anyone
he needs to bring it up to.
858
00:46:24,433 --> 00:46:26,479
- When you start out as
a pilot, you're young.
859
00:46:26,566 --> 00:46:28,263
You're a young,
impressionable Marine,
860
00:46:28,350 --> 00:46:30,657
you're a first lieutenant,
you're definitely in a position
861
00:46:30,744 --> 00:46:32,659
where you're not gonna
question authority.
862
00:46:37,490 --> 00:46:39,231
Once you get a little bit older,
863
00:46:39,318 --> 00:46:41,146
and once you become a
helicopter aircraft commander,
864
00:46:41,233 --> 00:46:42,800
there's responsibilities
imparted on you
865
00:46:42,887 --> 00:46:44,889
that are more than just
saying, "Yes, sir."
866
00:46:44,976 --> 00:46:46,804
It's not that you
don't say, "Yes, sir,"
867
00:46:46,891 --> 00:46:48,457
'cause you definitely do,
and I firmly believe in that.
868
00:46:48,544 --> 00:46:50,633
But you're not just a
yes man at that point.
869
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:53,071
Especially in my ability as
a quality assurance officer,
870
00:46:53,158 --> 00:46:55,725
I'm responsible for the ultimate
safety of that helicopter
871
00:46:55,813 --> 00:46:57,597
and the Marines that get on it.
872
00:46:58,903 --> 00:47:00,774
You have to have the folks
who will stop something
873
00:47:00,861 --> 00:47:02,907
if there's a train
wreck about to happen.
874
00:47:02,994 --> 00:47:05,823
[deep, serious music]
875
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:07,912
- [Narrator] Enlisted
Marines in Skelton's unit
876
00:47:07,999 --> 00:47:09,391
complained about a culture
877
00:47:09,478 --> 00:47:11,524
that chose flight
hours over safety.
878
00:47:12,917 --> 00:47:16,746
They said they were belittled,
humiliated, and slapped down
879
00:47:16,834 --> 00:47:19,793
when they tried to point
out safety problems.
880
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,840
More than a dozen wrote
letters about their concerns,
881
00:47:22,927 --> 00:47:25,625
and dropped them off
on Skelton's desk.
882
00:47:25,712 --> 00:47:28,106
- If they have to come
to me as a captain
883
00:47:28,193 --> 00:47:31,239
in a different department,
then there's a serious problem.
884
00:47:31,326 --> 00:47:34,895
I decided I was gonna
write my own letter,
885
00:47:34,982 --> 00:47:37,071
and I was gonna run it
up the chain of command.
886
00:47:39,944 --> 00:47:42,207
What I anticipated would be,
"Okay, let's take a time out,
887
00:47:42,294 --> 00:47:44,731
"let's figure out
what's happening here.
888
00:47:44,818 --> 00:47:46,907
"Why are these guys so upset,"
889
00:47:46,994 --> 00:47:50,911
it became more of
an admonishment from
the senior leadership
890
00:47:50,998 --> 00:47:54,697
that we were wrong, that
there was a mutiny going on
891
00:47:54,784 --> 00:47:57,875
in the lower ranks
and that we needed to
892
00:47:57,962 --> 00:47:59,746
pull our head out of
our asses, basically,
893
00:47:59,833 --> 00:48:02,096
and get back out there
and do what we're told.
894
00:48:02,183 --> 00:48:03,228
- I've seen this.
895
00:48:03,315 --> 00:48:04,751
- You have?
- Yeah.
896
00:48:04,838 --> 00:48:06,448
- [Interviewer] Have you
seen the whole packet?
897
00:48:06,535 --> 00:48:07,841
- I remember asking
questions about this note.
898
00:48:07,928 --> 00:48:09,712
I wanted to kinda
get to the bottom
899
00:48:09,799 --> 00:48:11,976
of whether these
are valid or not.
900
00:48:12,063 --> 00:48:14,065
[deep, somber music]
901
00:48:16,589 --> 00:48:18,504
People couldn't
corroborate that as far as,
902
00:48:18,591 --> 00:48:20,158
those are accurate complaints.
903
00:48:20,245 --> 00:48:22,464
Could be the complaints
of a young guy
904
00:48:22,551 --> 00:48:24,249
out there in one unit.
- It looks like
905
00:48:24,336 --> 00:48:26,338
a dozen young guys.
- Yeah, yeah.
906
00:48:26,425 --> 00:48:27,774
- [Interviewer] That are
complaining about it.
907
00:48:27,861 --> 00:48:30,646
- Yeah, I only saw
Skelton's, yeah.
908
00:48:30,733 --> 00:48:32,257
But there, I think, bottom
line is, we wanted to go fix,
909
00:48:32,344 --> 00:48:34,694
we needed to fix
the 53 community.
910
00:48:34,781 --> 00:48:36,870
What are they saying now?
911
00:48:36,957 --> 00:48:38,698
Really, to me would
be, okay, got it.
912
00:48:38,785 --> 00:48:40,265
We had a problem then, are
they fixed now, yes or no?
913
00:48:40,352 --> 00:48:41,831
I believe they are fixed now.
914
00:48:41,919 --> 00:48:45,487
So it's easy to go,
"Hey, things suck."
915
00:48:47,011 --> 00:48:49,187
So the hard part is figuring
out a thoughtful way forward,
916
00:48:49,274 --> 00:48:50,971
getting that funded,
and driving it home,
917
00:48:51,058 --> 00:48:53,800
which is exactly what the
Marine Corp is doing right now.
918
00:48:53,887 --> 00:48:56,542
[drumming music]
919
00:48:58,022 --> 00:48:59,806
- It was depressing to walk
all the way back to your shop
920
00:48:59,893 --> 00:49:02,026
and have to go tell those
Marines that their concerns
921
00:49:02,113 --> 00:49:03,592
were not gonna be listened to.
922
00:49:05,464 --> 00:49:07,901
I was disgusted by it, I'm
disgusted by it to this day.
923
00:49:07,988 --> 00:49:10,599
Not only was I disgusted
with one or two individuals,
924
00:49:10,686 --> 00:49:12,862
I was disgusted
with an entire unit.
925
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:14,995
[drumming music]
926
00:49:15,082 --> 00:49:16,431
This isn't about me, this
is about those young Marines
927
00:49:16,518 --> 00:49:20,044
who get on the aircraft,
they were failed.
928
00:49:20,131 --> 00:49:22,960
[drumming music]
929
00:49:24,135 --> 00:49:28,966
[water lapping]
[gentle music]
930
00:49:30,489 --> 00:49:32,926
- The kind of situation
that you are seeing
931
00:49:33,013 --> 00:49:34,754
with the helicopters,
932
00:49:34,841 --> 00:49:37,713
is very typical of things
I've seen over the years.
933
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,325
It is basically a
predictable consequence
934
00:49:40,412 --> 00:49:43,023
of a screwed-up priority system.
935
00:49:44,329 --> 00:49:45,373
Not predictable, inevitable.
936
00:49:48,028 --> 00:49:51,423
And, because it is inevitable,
you can see it ahead of time,
937
00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:53,816
and when you continue this
behavior into the future,
938
00:49:53,903 --> 00:49:57,081
it basically boils down
to malice aforethought.
939
00:49:57,168 --> 00:49:59,735
- When Chuck Spinney talks
about defense cost overruns,
940
00:49:59,822 --> 00:50:03,261
Congress listens, and so
do his Pentagon bosses.
941
00:50:03,348 --> 00:50:06,873
[somber orchestral music]
942
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,310
- [Narrator] Chuck Spinney
spent more than 25 years
943
00:50:09,397 --> 00:50:11,095
as an analyst in the Pentagon.
944
00:50:11,182 --> 00:50:15,403
- We projected that our
monetization costs in 1982
945
00:50:15,490 --> 00:50:17,971
would be here, they actually
turned out to be here.
946
00:50:18,058 --> 00:50:20,104
That's a mismatch of 100%.
947
00:50:20,191 --> 00:50:21,888
Now, we can't change this cost--
948
00:50:21,975 --> 00:50:23,542
- [Narrator] In the early
80s, he briefed Congress
949
00:50:23,629 --> 00:50:26,849
on how Pentagon spending
was impacting readiness,
950
00:50:26,936 --> 00:50:30,940
and led to parts shortages,
disgruntled maintenance crews,
951
00:50:31,028 --> 00:50:32,464
and pilots who were
short on flight time.
952
00:50:35,510 --> 00:50:38,383
30 years later, Van
Dorn still wrestled
953
00:50:38,470 --> 00:50:40,037
with the same problems.
954
00:50:41,212 --> 00:50:43,779
- If what you're saying is true,
955
00:50:43,866 --> 00:50:45,999
then we not only have
a budget problem,
956
00:50:46,086 --> 00:50:48,436
I think that we frankly have
957
00:50:48,523 --> 00:50:51,396
a major problem in
national defense.
958
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:55,617
- The number one
priority in the Pentagon
959
00:50:55,704 --> 00:50:58,620
is to pump up the budgets
that're associated with
960
00:50:58,707 --> 00:51:02,059
the development and
purchasing of new weapons.
961
00:51:02,146 --> 00:51:06,106
Now, if you pump those up,
you basically try to hold down
962
00:51:06,193 --> 00:51:09,631
the money that's spent on
operating existing weapons.
963
00:51:11,111 --> 00:51:15,507
In terms of readiness,
training, buying spare parts,
964
00:51:15,594 --> 00:51:18,031
maintenance, things like that.
965
00:51:18,118 --> 00:51:22,209
And, in the case of the CH-53s,
maybe one of those cutbacks
966
00:51:22,296 --> 00:51:24,342
was saying, "Hey, we
can live a little longer
967
00:51:24,429 --> 00:51:25,995
"with this shitty wire."
968
00:51:27,910 --> 00:51:29,173
- [Interviewer] Readiness
is first and foremost
969
00:51:29,260 --> 00:51:30,174
in the Marine Corp.
970
00:51:30,261 --> 00:51:31,871
- It is.
971
00:51:31,958 --> 00:51:34,395
- [Interviewer] And the
CH-53E was not ready.
972
00:51:36,005 --> 00:51:37,398
- It was not ready
to do all the things
973
00:51:37,485 --> 00:51:39,661
we needed to do, that's a fact.
974
00:51:39,748 --> 00:51:42,273
- [Interviewer] And what put
it in the state that it was in?
975
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:47,365
- I think, one, we had
some budget challenges
976
00:51:48,409 --> 00:51:49,845
inside the Department
of Defense.
977
00:51:49,932 --> 00:51:51,586
But the money's
being pulled from our
978
00:51:51,673 --> 00:51:53,284
Department of Defense budgets
979
00:51:53,371 --> 00:51:55,721
at the same we're floor
deployed and fighting.
980
00:51:55,808 --> 00:51:59,464
So, very challenging environment
out there for sustainment.
981
00:51:59,551 --> 00:52:01,944
- [Interviewer] Some
people say that the costs
982
00:52:02,031 --> 00:52:06,123
of new weapons are constantly
taking away resources
983
00:52:06,210 --> 00:52:07,950
from programs like the 53.
984
00:52:09,300 --> 00:52:11,084
Do you agree with
that assessment?
985
00:52:11,171 --> 00:52:12,825
- I don't, I don't, I think
that you've gotta balance.
986
00:52:14,261 --> 00:52:16,176
You can't fly the
old metal forever.
987
00:52:16,263 --> 00:52:17,743
You have to keep pace with
988
00:52:17,830 --> 00:52:19,484
changing threat
requirements out there.
989
00:52:19,571 --> 00:52:21,921
You can't just say, "We're
just gonna take care of the old
990
00:52:22,008 --> 00:52:23,879
"and not do the new," so
you have to balance that.
991
00:52:23,966 --> 00:52:26,447
- I agree, you do
have to modernize,
992
00:52:26,534 --> 00:52:30,147
you have to support
the fleet in being.
993
00:52:30,234 --> 00:52:32,105
You have to do both.
994
00:52:32,192 --> 00:52:34,760
But you can't get there from
here doin' business as usual.
995
00:52:36,196 --> 00:52:38,590
That's what we've been
arguing about for 30 years.
996
00:52:41,332 --> 00:52:43,160
- [Narrator] Spinney
was one of a small group
997
00:52:43,247 --> 00:52:45,162
in the Pentagon
and on Capitol Hill
998
00:52:45,249 --> 00:52:47,686
focused on military reform.
999
00:52:47,773 --> 00:52:51,255
Another was Pierre
Sprey, who spent 20 years
1000
00:52:51,342 --> 00:52:53,866
as a weapons analyst
and designer.
1001
00:52:53,953 --> 00:52:56,303
- The idea that we're
having safety problems,
1002
00:52:56,390 --> 00:52:58,262
we're having
maintenance problems,
1003
00:52:58,349 --> 00:53:02,440
just because the total defense
budget is not big enough,
1004
00:53:02,527 --> 00:53:03,963
is ludicrous.
1005
00:53:04,050 --> 00:53:06,139
[dramatic banging]
1006
00:53:06,226 --> 00:53:09,055
[dramatic music]
1007
00:53:14,147 --> 00:53:15,322
There's plenty of money.
1008
00:53:15,409 --> 00:53:17,542
[beeping]
1009
00:53:17,629 --> 00:53:21,372
But you can't do what's
really needed for the people,
1010
00:53:21,459 --> 00:53:25,724
and buy all the glitzy
toys that the Congress
1011
00:53:25,811 --> 00:53:28,422
and the industry and
the generals want.
1012
00:53:30,381 --> 00:53:32,731
New stuff means big budgets,
1013
00:53:34,298 --> 00:53:36,952
and new stuff means
issuing contracts,
1014
00:53:38,302 --> 00:53:42,306
and issuing contracts means
that high-ranking officers
1015
00:53:42,393 --> 00:53:44,786
and high-ranking
civilians will have lovely
1016
00:53:44,873 --> 00:53:47,572
defense industry jobs
when they retire.
1017
00:53:48,573 --> 00:53:51,619
That revolving door,
1018
00:53:51,706 --> 00:53:54,535
that's incredibly damaging
to national defense.
1019
00:53:57,582 --> 00:53:59,627
- [Narrator] The
problems that come
1020
00:53:59,714 --> 00:54:02,326
with a powerful
defense establishment,
1021
00:54:02,413 --> 00:54:05,720
perpetual war, and its
impact on democracy,
1022
00:54:05,807 --> 00:54:08,332
were spotted decades
ago by war hero
1023
00:54:08,419 --> 00:54:10,725
turned president,
Dwight Eisenhower.
1024
00:54:10,812 --> 00:54:12,771
- [Dwight] Good evening
my fellow Americans.
1025
00:54:14,294 --> 00:54:16,514
- [Narrator] In his farewell
address, he gave it a name.
1026
00:54:16,601 --> 00:54:19,038
- We must guard
against the acquisition
1027
00:54:19,125 --> 00:54:22,607
of unwarranted influence,
whether sought or unsought
1028
00:54:22,694 --> 00:54:25,784
by the military-industrial
complex.
1029
00:54:25,871 --> 00:54:28,874
- The military-industrial
complex is basically
1030
00:54:28,961 --> 00:54:30,484
what some political
scientists call
1031
00:54:30,571 --> 00:54:34,227
an iron triangle
of relationships.
1032
00:54:34,314 --> 00:54:37,361
Those three corners being
the military, the Congress,
1033
00:54:37,448 --> 00:54:39,580
and the contractors.
1034
00:54:39,667 --> 00:54:43,323
And how money circulates
around that triangle,
1035
00:54:43,410 --> 00:54:45,543
is the key to understanding
what's going on.
1036
00:54:45,630 --> 00:54:47,109
It's basically a little bit like
1037
00:54:47,196 --> 00:54:49,024
a bait and switch operation.
1038
00:54:49,111 --> 00:54:53,246
You basically downplay the
future costs of a new weapon.
1039
00:54:53,333 --> 00:54:55,509
They say it'll be easy
to maintain, it'll
be more effective,
1040
00:54:55,596 --> 00:54:59,078
and we estimate it's
gonna cost this.
1041
00:54:59,165 --> 00:55:02,211
Then the political engineers
start distributing that money
1042
00:55:02,299 --> 00:55:03,735
as quickly as
possible to as many
1043
00:55:03,822 --> 00:55:05,606
Congressional
districts as possible.
1044
00:55:05,693 --> 00:55:08,609
Then, once the true
cost of the program
1045
00:55:08,696 --> 00:55:10,089
starts to manifest itself,
1046
00:55:10,176 --> 00:55:12,439
there's nothing you
can do about it,
1047
00:55:12,526 --> 00:55:15,094
because the program's got
too many vested interests
1048
00:55:15,181 --> 00:55:16,748
spread all over the country.
1049
00:55:16,835 --> 00:55:20,186
The F-35 is the
classic case in point.
1050
00:55:20,273 --> 00:55:22,014
- The richest contract
in the history
1051
00:55:22,101 --> 00:55:23,581
of the Pentagon finally awarded.
1052
00:55:23,668 --> 00:55:25,974
The aerospace company
Lockheed Martin
1053
00:55:26,061 --> 00:55:29,108
have been chosen over Boeing
to build a new fighter plane
1054
00:55:29,195 --> 00:55:30,501
for the U.S. and Britain.
1055
00:55:33,199 --> 00:55:36,507
[deep, pounding music]
1056
00:55:44,906 --> 00:55:47,996
- As president, I've continued
to make historic investments
1057
00:55:48,083 --> 00:55:50,390
to keep our armed forces strong.
1058
00:55:51,696 --> 00:55:55,134
- Arbitrary budget cuts have
emasculated our military
1059
00:55:55,221 --> 00:56:00,139
and harmed our ability
dramatically to
defend this nation.
1060
00:56:00,226 --> 00:56:03,534
[deep, pounding music]
1061
00:56:15,894 --> 00:56:19,463
- Let's modernize, we need to
respond to evolving threats.
1062
00:56:19,550 --> 00:56:21,203
- If I'm president
of the United States,
1063
00:56:21,290 --> 00:56:22,770
and Congress tries
to cut the military,
1064
00:56:22,857 --> 00:56:25,991
I will veto that
in a millisecond.
1065
00:56:26,078 --> 00:56:29,386
[deep, pounding music]
1066
00:56:39,047 --> 00:56:42,486
- We've always said we need
to increase defense spending
1067
00:56:42,573 --> 00:56:44,313
for our armed forces.
1068
00:56:44,401 --> 00:56:47,491
- The two year budget agreement
I just reached with Congress
1069
00:56:47,578 --> 00:56:52,539
will provide $700 billion in
defense funding this year.
1070
00:56:53,932 --> 00:56:58,066
And next year, we will raise
that number to $716 billion.
1071
00:57:01,505 --> 00:57:03,028
That's a lot of money.
1072
00:57:03,115 --> 00:57:04,856
[audience applauding]
1073
00:57:04,943 --> 00:57:06,771
- The same thing's
happening again.
1074
00:57:06,858 --> 00:57:08,773
They're just throwing
money at the Pentagon.
1075
00:57:08,860 --> 00:57:11,776
It's guaranteed to get
worse, it can't get better
1076
00:57:11,863 --> 00:57:13,517
'cause they're rewarding
all the kinds of behavior
1077
00:57:13,604 --> 00:57:15,649
that created the problem.
1078
00:57:15,736 --> 00:57:19,523
- There's zero
difference between the
two political parties,
1079
00:57:19,610 --> 00:57:24,528
none whatsoever, because they're
receiving the same money.
1080
00:57:25,790 --> 00:57:28,662
The military-industrial
complex is highly bipartisan.
1081
00:57:29,794 --> 00:57:31,404
As long as they
can keep that money
1082
00:57:31,491 --> 00:57:33,537
flowing in the right direction,
1083
00:57:33,624 --> 00:57:35,887
everything is smooth
and hunky-dory.
1084
00:57:35,974 --> 00:57:39,543
- That's the kinda craziness
we've gotten ourselves into.
1085
00:57:39,630 --> 00:57:42,023
- [Interviewer] You're
describing a very
complex situation.
1086
00:57:42,110 --> 00:57:45,549
- Yeah, no shit. [laughing]
1087
00:57:45,636 --> 00:57:46,724
But it's making a
lot of people rich.
1088
00:57:50,945 --> 00:57:54,383
That's the key point, a lot
of people are benefiting
1089
00:57:54,471 --> 00:57:54,732
from this lunacy.
1090
00:57:56,951 --> 00:57:59,258
Generals are going through
the revolving doors.
1091
00:57:59,345 --> 00:58:00,694
Lieutenant colonels and colonels
1092
00:58:00,781 --> 00:58:02,391
are going through
revolving doors.
1093
00:58:02,479 --> 00:58:04,568
Contractors are
making big profits,
1094
00:58:04,655 --> 00:58:07,658
and congressmen are basically
gettin' lots of pork
1095
00:58:07,745 --> 00:58:10,356
in their districts, which
enables them to increase
1096
00:58:10,443 --> 00:58:12,010
their longevity and
power and wealth.
1097
00:58:12,097 --> 00:58:15,927
Everybody wins, except
of course the soldier
1098
00:58:16,014 --> 00:58:18,843
at the pointy end of the
spear, and the taxpayer.
1099
00:58:18,930 --> 00:58:21,846
[jet engine roaring]
1100
00:58:27,504 --> 00:58:28,505
- I love the Navy.
1101
00:58:30,028 --> 00:58:31,464
I mean, I come from
a big Navy family.
1102
00:58:31,551 --> 00:58:32,900
There's chiefs in my family,
1103
00:58:32,987 --> 00:58:34,946
there's master
chiefs in my family.
1104
00:58:35,033 --> 00:58:38,732
There's a lot of pride, and
that's all I wanted to do
1105
00:58:40,734 --> 00:58:41,866
was just make everybody proud.
1106
00:58:46,697 --> 00:58:48,612
- [Narrator] Chris Humme
was widely regarded
1107
00:58:48,699 --> 00:58:51,963
as one of the top
mechanics at HM-14.
1108
00:58:52,050 --> 00:58:53,660
He was also the sailor
who told Wes Van Dorn
1109
00:58:53,747 --> 00:58:56,924
that his helicopter
was safe to fly
1110
00:58:57,011 --> 00:58:59,753
just two hours before
the fire broke out.
1111
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:02,582
He battled nightmares
for months.
1112
00:59:02,669 --> 00:59:04,976
In the wake of the
crash, he grew frustrated
1113
00:59:05,063 --> 00:59:06,804
with too much business as usual.
1114
00:59:06,891 --> 00:59:09,371
- I'm not a politician,
I'm just a mechanic
1115
00:59:09,458 --> 00:59:12,461
who saw a lotta things
being done the wrong way,
1116
00:59:12,549 --> 00:59:12,853
and I tried to voice it.
1117
00:59:14,768 --> 00:59:16,814
And I think as a whole,
that has a lot to do
1118
00:59:18,076 --> 00:59:19,468
with me getting pushed out.
1119
00:59:26,737 --> 00:59:29,522
- I've told it
politely so many times
1120
00:59:29,609 --> 00:59:30,828
that I'm done
telling it politely.
1121
00:59:36,442 --> 00:59:39,619
Basically, I'm
coming clean with,
1122
00:59:39,706 --> 00:59:41,795
we're doing illegal maintenance.
1123
00:59:41,882 --> 00:59:44,493
[guns tapping]
1124
00:59:47,105 --> 00:59:49,716
I get a message, skipper
wants to talk to you.
1125
00:59:50,804 --> 00:59:52,676
"Come in, sit down," and
I realize very quickly
1126
00:59:52,763 --> 00:59:55,853
this is not a conversation of
anyone wanting to talk about
1127
00:59:55,940 --> 00:59:58,986
the letter I wrote other
than how inappropriate
1128
00:59:59,073 --> 01:00:00,597
the letter that I wrote was.
1129
01:00:06,820 --> 01:00:09,562
And I was just dumbfounded,
I couldn't believe this.
1130
01:00:09,649 --> 01:00:11,564
And then the one that
really shocked me
1131
01:00:11,651 --> 01:00:14,872
was the command master chief,
recommended that I read a book
1132
01:00:14,959 --> 01:00:18,702
called "How to Win Friends
and Influence People."
1133
01:00:18,789 --> 01:00:21,574
[drumming music]
1134
01:00:21,661 --> 01:00:23,968
- [Narrator] The Navy
questions Humme's credibility.
1135
01:00:27,145 --> 01:00:29,713
They say he lied about a
maintenance mistake he made
1136
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,063
in the aftermath of the crash.
1137
01:00:32,150 --> 01:00:33,586
He was disciplined for it.
1138
01:00:35,980 --> 01:00:37,808
Later, when he took
his daughter to school
1139
01:00:37,895 --> 01:00:41,246
instead of going to a lecture
about weekend behavior
1140
01:00:41,333 --> 01:00:43,988
and personal safety,
his commanding officer
1141
01:00:44,075 --> 01:00:45,642
had grounds for dismissal.
1142
01:00:47,687 --> 01:00:50,559
Humme's career in
the Navy was over.
1143
01:00:51,952 --> 01:00:54,563
- I just basically
point blank asked him,
1144
01:00:54,651 --> 01:00:56,130
"Sir, has this
got anything to do
1145
01:00:56,217 --> 01:00:57,436
"with a lot of the
concerns I've raised?
1146
01:00:57,523 --> 01:00:58,655
"Some of the issues that I know
1147
01:00:58,742 --> 01:01:00,352
"that you've talked to me about
1148
01:01:00,439 --> 01:01:03,355
"with some of my ways
of approaching things."
1149
01:01:03,442 --> 01:01:04,791
Pretty much looked
me in the face
1150
01:01:04,878 --> 01:01:05,923
and told me that
I poked the bear.
1151
01:01:06,663 --> 01:01:08,447
I poked the bear too many times
1152
01:01:08,534 --> 01:01:10,797
and now I've gotta deal with it.
1153
01:01:13,234 --> 01:01:15,933
- The reaction typically
of the system is,
1154
01:01:16,020 --> 01:01:19,763
this guy is dangerous, this
guy might talk to a reporter,
1155
01:01:19,850 --> 01:01:22,461
this guy might talk
to a congressman.
1156
01:01:22,548 --> 01:01:23,941
How do we get rid of him?
1157
01:01:24,028 --> 01:01:25,899
And then they're
on him like a hawk.
1158
01:01:25,986 --> 01:01:29,163
Every time that guy
fails to tie a shoelace,
1159
01:01:29,250 --> 01:01:30,948
he's up before a board.
1160
01:01:31,035 --> 01:01:33,690
You can take anybody and
drive 'em outta the service
1161
01:01:33,777 --> 01:01:36,867
in three to six months if
you're on him like that.
1162
01:01:43,961 --> 01:01:46,050
- [Narrator] Humme
moved home to Tennessee.
1163
01:01:46,137 --> 01:01:47,878
He now works at an auto dealer.
1164
01:01:49,575 --> 01:01:51,925
- It's certainly not the
excitement of the flight line,
1165
01:01:52,012 --> 01:01:55,407
and traveling the world
and all that stuff.
1166
01:01:57,626 --> 01:01:59,498
It's a desk job in Knoxville.
1167
01:01:59,585 --> 01:02:04,416
But, I don't have to worry
about towing the company line
1168
01:02:05,896 --> 01:02:08,159
and covering stuff up.
1169
01:02:08,246 --> 01:02:11,771
[telephone ringing]
1170
01:02:11,858 --> 01:02:14,556
Thank you for choosing PALS
Knoxville, this is Chris.
1171
01:02:14,643 --> 01:02:18,691
- When you ask why individuals
can't fix this thing,
1172
01:02:18,778 --> 01:02:22,390
most people just say,
"It's too much of a risk."
1173
01:02:22,477 --> 01:02:25,654
And remember also, they're
conditioned culturally
1174
01:02:25,742 --> 01:02:28,570
to put faith in the
authority of the system.
1175
01:02:29,615 --> 01:02:32,357
So even if they see
something wrong,
1176
01:02:32,444 --> 01:02:34,359
they're biased to say,
1177
01:02:34,446 --> 01:02:36,753
"Maybe I just don't
see the big picture.
1178
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:40,365
"After all, he's a general
and I'm just a lieutenant."
1179
01:02:43,803 --> 01:02:45,587
- My commanding officer actually
said that directly to me.
1180
01:02:45,674 --> 01:02:47,764
He said, "You just don't
see the big picture."
1181
01:02:47,851 --> 01:02:49,766
Well, my only
response to that is,
1182
01:02:49,853 --> 01:02:52,551
"If the big picture is
people crashing and dying
1183
01:02:52,638 --> 01:02:53,682
"and doing things the wrong way,
1184
01:02:53,770 --> 01:02:56,468
"then the big picture is wrong."
1185
01:02:58,557 --> 01:03:01,603
A broken system killed Wes,
1186
01:03:02,953 --> 01:03:07,044
killed Sean, killed
Brian, broke Dylan.
1187
01:03:10,134 --> 01:03:11,918
I mean, a flawed
system did that.
1188
01:03:13,659 --> 01:03:16,009
[slow, somber music]
1189
01:03:23,930 --> 01:03:26,803
[breathing heavily]
1190
01:03:28,543 --> 01:03:30,197
- [Narrator] Dylan Boone
was medically separated
1191
01:03:30,284 --> 01:03:34,114
and honorably
discharged in 2015.
1192
01:03:34,201 --> 01:03:37,335
[slow, somber music]
1193
01:03:39,076 --> 01:03:40,512
- The scar always gives
me trouble with my hair.
1194
01:03:40,599 --> 01:03:42,296
- [Narrator] The
aftermath of the crash
1195
01:03:42,383 --> 01:03:44,124
brought a series
of false starts.
1196
01:03:45,996 --> 01:03:48,781
Different jobs, different
living situations,
1197
01:03:48,868 --> 01:03:51,088
and that's on top of
the five surgeries.
1198
01:03:54,395 --> 01:03:55,396
- [Interviewer] What's
it like to survive
1199
01:03:55,483 --> 01:03:56,920
a helicopter crash?
1200
01:03:57,007 --> 01:03:58,008
- It sucks.
1201
01:03:59,705 --> 01:04:02,795
I know there's guys who
actually served in war
1202
01:04:02,882 --> 01:04:04,884
and actually saw combat
who have to deal with
1203
01:04:04,971 --> 01:04:06,973
a lot more shit
than I deal with,
1204
01:04:07,060 --> 01:04:11,369
but when it happens in
training, that, it's tainted.
1205
01:04:15,025 --> 01:04:17,244
You don't expect to give up
your life for this country
1206
01:04:17,331 --> 01:04:18,985
because you were given
faulty equipment.
1207
01:04:22,075 --> 01:04:25,383
[Dylan speaking muffled]
1208
01:04:28,734 --> 01:04:33,739
[man speaking muffled
by tape squeaking]
1209
01:04:34,871 --> 01:04:37,003
- [Man] Class, one,
six, one, five, unload!
1210
01:04:38,526 --> 01:04:40,964
- It's as simple as the
air crewman's creed.
1211
01:04:41,051 --> 01:04:43,270
My country has built me the
finest aircraft known to man.
1212
01:04:43,357 --> 01:04:45,185
- [Man] Troop.
1213
01:04:45,272 --> 01:04:47,666
- [Group Of Men] I'm a United
States Naval Air crewman.
1214
01:04:47,753 --> 01:04:51,061
My country has built me the
finest aircraft known to man.
1215
01:04:51,148 --> 01:04:55,500
They have entrusted me to use
it to keep our country free.
1216
01:04:55,587 --> 01:04:57,154
- I used to say that so loud.
1217
01:04:57,241 --> 01:04:58,459
I was the loudest
person to say it.
1218
01:04:58,546 --> 01:04:59,852
I was ate up, I loved it.
1219
01:04:59,939 --> 01:05:00,853
- [Man] Hooyah one time.
1220
01:05:00,940 --> 01:05:02,637
- [Crewmen] Hooyah!
1221
01:05:03,421 --> 01:05:04,857
To every man!
1222
01:05:04,944 --> 01:05:05,989
- [Man] Hooyah in group.
1223
01:05:06,076 --> 01:05:07,120
- [Crewmen] Hooyah!
1224
01:05:07,207 --> 01:05:08,208
- [Man] Hooyah in the crew.
1225
01:05:08,295 --> 01:05:09,906
- [Crewmen] Hooyah!
1226
01:05:11,603 --> 01:05:14,127
- [Narrator] 3 1/2 years
after the accident,
1227
01:05:14,214 --> 01:05:17,565
Boone decided to move closer
to family in California.
1228
01:05:19,916 --> 01:05:22,875
- I'm not gonna pretend that I
haven't had those dark nights
1229
01:05:22,962 --> 01:05:25,617
and struggles with PTSD.
1230
01:05:25,704 --> 01:05:28,402
Three volumes,
medical paperwork.
1231
01:05:30,665 --> 01:05:34,147
A lot of the time, I'd get a
surgery and just get Oxycontin
1232
01:05:34,234 --> 01:05:36,802
or Valium or Percocets.
1233
01:05:38,108 --> 01:05:41,981
And it was a concoction of
coping with physical ailments
1234
01:05:42,068 --> 01:05:44,984
and mental instability,
1235
01:05:45,071 --> 01:05:47,421
fueled by alcohol and
prescription drugs.
1236
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:51,338
They take all the pain away.
1237
01:05:51,425 --> 01:05:52,774
Not just your physical pain,
1238
01:05:52,861 --> 01:05:54,602
but you don't think
about anything
1239
01:05:54,689 --> 01:05:55,038
and you really don't care.
1240
01:06:03,089 --> 01:06:05,874
[people chattering]
1241
01:06:07,093 --> 01:06:08,051
My lowest low.
1242
01:06:10,705 --> 01:06:11,750
I don't know if I even
wanna answer that,
1243
01:06:11,837 --> 01:06:13,665
'cause I'll sound fuckin' crazy.
1244
01:06:19,062 --> 01:06:19,888
Lowest low,
1245
01:06:24,023 --> 01:06:24,937
gun in hand.
1246
01:06:41,649 --> 01:06:44,957
Yeah, lowest low, gun
to hand, gun in hand.
1247
01:06:45,044 --> 01:06:48,874
Lowest low, gun in
hand, barrel to head.
1248
01:06:55,011 --> 01:06:56,969
But you know it's like you
kinda get to that point
1249
01:06:57,056 --> 01:06:58,797
and you never know if
you're actually gonna do it
1250
01:06:58,884 --> 01:06:59,580
or not, and then,
1251
01:07:02,540 --> 01:07:05,412
then you don't and you're kinda,
1252
01:07:05,499 --> 01:07:06,892
you're done with the idea.
1253
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:13,768
[birds chirping]
[slow, somber music]
1254
01:07:15,161 --> 01:07:16,597
Sometimes it's just a bad day
1255
01:07:16,684 --> 01:07:19,600
and things continue
to roll downhill.
1256
01:07:22,168 --> 01:07:24,127
Sometimes it's really
hard to find the reason
1257
01:07:24,214 --> 01:07:24,475
for why things happen.
1258
01:07:28,609 --> 01:07:29,958
And sometimes it feels like
1259
01:07:30,046 --> 01:07:31,786
you're damn near
close to breaking.
1260
01:07:33,092 --> 01:07:36,661
[slow, somber music]
1261
01:07:36,748 --> 01:07:38,793
- I think all of the
platforms we've had
1262
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:41,579
in the United States Marine
Corp, the legacy platforms,
1263
01:07:41,666 --> 01:07:43,755
had a bit of
readiness challenge,
1264
01:07:43,842 --> 01:07:45,887
a severe readiness challenge.
1265
01:07:45,974 --> 01:07:49,152
And it manifested
itself in about 2014.
1266
01:07:49,239 --> 01:07:52,242
I looked at the 53 as being
one that was more challenged
1267
01:07:52,329 --> 01:07:54,244
than some of the others.
1268
01:07:54,331 --> 01:07:58,074
What I didn't understand early
on is how to fix the problem.
1269
01:07:59,162 --> 01:08:01,686
Right now the world is a
pretty dangerous place,
1270
01:08:01,773 --> 01:08:04,297
and we got Marines floor
deployed at sea and at shore.
1271
01:08:04,384 --> 01:08:07,039
- [Narrator] Davis
had a dilemma.
1272
01:08:07,126 --> 01:08:09,607
He had Marines in Afghanistan
and the Middle East
1273
01:08:09,694 --> 01:08:12,566
dependent on the 53,
and he had concerns
1274
01:08:12,653 --> 01:08:14,742
about the condition
of the helicopters.
1275
01:08:17,658 --> 01:08:20,313
He ordered a study of his
53s in order to figure out
1276
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:22,707
how to get the
fleet back on track.
1277
01:08:24,100 --> 01:08:26,058
[dramatic music]
1278
01:08:26,145 --> 01:08:28,887
The report found that less than
a quarter of the helicopters
1279
01:08:28,974 --> 01:08:32,891
were mission capable, far below
the Pentagon's requirements.
1280
01:08:34,632 --> 01:08:37,113
It recommended a
complete overhaul,
1281
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:39,593
a reset of the 53 fleet.
1282
01:08:41,769 --> 01:08:43,902
- [Interviewer]
What took so long?
1283
01:08:43,989 --> 01:08:45,730
- I don't know.
1284
01:08:45,817 --> 01:08:49,777
I don't know, I just, I
can't answer that question.
1285
01:08:49,864 --> 01:08:51,953
I can only answer the
questions that I dealt with
1286
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:52,867
when I got there.
1287
01:08:57,045 --> 01:08:59,831
- [Narrator] Seven months
after the report was complete,
1288
01:08:59,918 --> 01:09:02,834
the 53's troubling
legacy continued.
1289
01:09:05,619 --> 01:09:10,537
At a 53 squadron in Hawaii, so
few aircraft were available,
1290
01:09:10,624 --> 01:09:14,411
Marines considered the flight
schedule a running joke.
1291
01:09:14,498 --> 01:09:17,457
[slow, somber music]
1292
01:09:17,544 --> 01:09:21,200
But on a night in January, 2016,
1293
01:09:21,287 --> 01:09:23,246
12 Marines boarded
two helicopters
1294
01:09:23,333 --> 01:09:25,073
for a training exercise.
1295
01:09:27,250 --> 01:09:28,903
Tourists took in luaus.
1296
01:09:33,343 --> 01:09:35,606
Security cameras kept
watch on vacation homes.
1297
01:09:37,869 --> 01:09:40,480
One spotted the
choppers just offshore,
1298
01:09:40,567 --> 01:09:42,526
and captured the moment
they collided in midair.
1299
01:09:48,314 --> 01:09:51,448
All 12 Marines were
killed instantly.
1300
01:09:51,535 --> 01:09:54,712
[slow, solemn music]
1301
01:10:09,553 --> 01:10:12,599
The death toll on the
53E climbed to 128.
1302
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:18,083
[slow, solemn music]
1303
01:10:21,608 --> 01:10:24,481
- That's terrible, and I think,
it's again, I'm heartbroken,
1304
01:10:25,612 --> 01:10:29,181
heartbroken that we
lose these fine Marines
1305
01:10:29,268 --> 01:10:30,922
in a mishap like this.
1306
01:10:36,928 --> 01:10:38,886
- [Narrator] The four
pilots had barely flown
1307
01:10:38,973 --> 01:10:41,759
in the months leading
up to the accident.
1308
01:10:41,846 --> 01:10:43,587
- [Interviewer] Were they
pushed to do something
1309
01:10:43,674 --> 01:10:44,979
they weren't ready to do?
1310
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:48,244
- I don't wanna go into
that particular mishap,
1311
01:10:48,331 --> 01:10:50,898
but I think, yeah,
there's no reason
1312
01:10:50,985 --> 01:10:54,119
that those two airplanes
should've had a collision.
1313
01:10:54,206 --> 01:10:57,340
[slow, somber music]
1314
01:10:58,428 --> 01:11:00,691
- The fact that a
guy has a collision,
1315
01:11:00,778 --> 01:11:04,216
and you can obviously
blame it on pilot error,
1316
01:11:04,303 --> 01:11:06,610
doesn't really mean much if
the guy's not gettin' practice.
1317
01:11:08,525 --> 01:11:10,309
It's an easy way to
deflect the blame.
1318
01:11:10,396 --> 01:11:11,484
- [Man] Captain Kennedy,
1319
01:11:14,444 --> 01:11:19,318
Captain Brian Kennedy.
1320
01:11:19,405 --> 01:11:21,625
Captain Brian T. Kennedy.
1321
01:11:24,976 --> 01:11:27,761
- [Narrator] One of the
pilots, Brian Kennedy,
1322
01:11:27,848 --> 01:11:31,548
was one of Wes Van Dorn's best
friends at the Naval Academy.
1323
01:11:33,332 --> 01:11:36,553
- When we found out
that Brian had also died
1324
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:41,558
in the helicopter crash, it's
devastating all over again.
1325
01:11:47,259 --> 01:11:52,351
- I went to Brian Kennedy's
wedding less than a year ago.
1326
01:11:54,832 --> 01:11:59,053
And then I went to the same town
1327
01:12:00,403 --> 01:12:01,665
and went to his funeral.
1328
01:12:04,276 --> 01:12:07,366
When is it going to be enough?
1329
01:12:07,453 --> 01:12:08,976
How many people have to die?
1330
01:12:12,415 --> 01:12:14,155
I'm appalled and I'm devastated
1331
01:12:14,242 --> 01:12:16,680
but there's a lack of surprise.
1332
01:12:16,767 --> 01:12:20,423
Something was gonna happen,
I knew it was gonna happen,
1333
01:12:20,510 --> 01:12:23,382
I just didn't know exactly
what it was going to look like.
1334
01:12:27,821 --> 01:12:29,301
- [Narrator] Kennedy's
name was inscribed
1335
01:12:29,388 --> 01:12:30,781
below that of his friend
1336
01:12:30,868 --> 01:12:33,087
at the Naval Academy's
Memorial Hall.
1337
01:12:35,046 --> 01:12:36,830
They are the only two
members of their class
1338
01:12:36,917 --> 01:12:39,833
to die in service,
not in battle,
1339
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:43,141
but training in an
aged helicopter.
1340
01:12:43,228 --> 01:12:46,144
[slow, somber music]
1341
01:12:49,234 --> 01:12:52,368
[people chattering]
1342
01:12:53,194 --> 01:12:54,544
[laughing]
1343
01:12:58,025 --> 01:13:00,463
- If you join the military,
you inherently know
1344
01:13:00,550 --> 01:13:03,640
that some point in
time you might die
1345
01:13:03,727 --> 01:13:05,598
doing your job, just because
of what you've chosen to do.
1346
01:13:08,601 --> 01:13:13,432
But that does not
leave a blank allowance
1347
01:13:13,519 --> 01:13:15,478
for the Navy to kill you.
1348
01:13:19,699 --> 01:13:21,919
Not everybody that
died for this country
1349
01:13:24,661 --> 01:13:27,011
had to die for this country.
1350
01:13:27,098 --> 01:13:30,362
[deep, serious music]
1351
01:13:46,944 --> 01:13:48,772
- We're lookin' at
every single wire.
1352
01:13:48,859 --> 01:13:51,427
All the zip ties that were
in here is comin' off.
1353
01:13:54,604 --> 01:13:57,998
Every piece of tape you see,
is a repair we're making.
1354
01:13:58,085 --> 01:13:59,652
800 something gripes
just on this airframe.
1355
01:14:05,049 --> 01:14:06,572
This thing's a workhorse,
1356
01:14:06,659 --> 01:14:08,356
and it's gonna continue
to be a workhorse
1357
01:14:08,444 --> 01:14:10,402
until the Kilo hits the fleet.
1358
01:14:10,489 --> 01:14:13,623
[slow, somber music]
1359
01:15:49,719 --> 01:15:52,635
- It's been another tragic week
for U.S. military aviation.
1360
01:15:52,722 --> 01:15:54,071
Five service members have died,
1361
01:15:54,158 --> 01:15:57,509
and the accidents
are continuing.
1362
01:15:57,596 --> 01:16:00,947
[slow, somber music]
1363
01:16:01,034 --> 01:16:04,342
- The number of
accidents involving
maned military aircraft
1364
01:16:04,429 --> 01:16:09,477
between 2013 and
2017 spiked 40%, 40%.
1365
01:16:10,914 --> 01:16:12,176
[slow, somber music]
1366
01:16:12,263 --> 01:16:14,526
- I would reject
wave and crisis,
1367
01:16:14,613 --> 01:16:16,136
those are mishaps that occurred.
1368
01:16:16,223 --> 01:16:18,356
Each one is tragic and
we regret each one.
1369
01:16:18,443 --> 01:16:19,792
We'll look at 'em carefully.
1370
01:16:19,879 --> 01:16:21,620
I'm certainly not
prepared to say
1371
01:16:21,707 --> 01:16:23,709
that it's a wave of mishaps,
or some form of crisis.
1372
01:16:23,796 --> 01:16:25,537
No, I'm not prepared
to say that.
1373
01:16:25,624 --> 01:16:28,801
[slow, somber music]
1374
01:16:30,411 --> 01:16:31,717
- If it's not a wave
and it's not a crisis,
1375
01:16:31,804 --> 01:16:33,980
how do you explain it, General?
1376
01:16:34,067 --> 01:16:37,027
[slow, somber music]
1377
01:16:38,724 --> 01:16:42,510
- And I understand some
of you really great pilots
1378
01:16:44,948 --> 01:16:48,821
could use some new CH-53s,
is that a correct statement?
1379
01:16:48,908 --> 01:16:51,128
You wanna see some
new ones, huh?
1380
01:16:51,215 --> 01:16:53,565
[audience cheering]
1381
01:16:53,652 --> 01:16:55,785
[slow, somber music]
1382
01:16:56,960 --> 01:17:00,833
- Only an alert and
knowledgeable citizenry
1383
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:03,706
can compel the proper meshing
of the huge industrial
1384
01:17:03,793 --> 01:17:06,883
and military
machinery of defense
1385
01:17:06,970 --> 01:17:10,060
with our peaceful
methods and goals,
1386
01:17:10,147 --> 01:17:13,890
so that security and liberty
may prosper together.
1387
01:17:13,977 --> 01:17:16,980
[slow, somber music]
1388
01:18:30,053 --> 01:18:33,447
[gentle, solemn music]
1389
01:19:10,963 --> 01:19:14,445
[somber orchestral music]
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