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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:39,664 --> 00:00:42,041 What people are doing when they're forming a band, 2 00:00:42,167 --> 00:00:45,586 is they're forming what an anthropologist would call a clan. 3 00:00:47,005 --> 00:00:50,132 It's a group of people who may not be genetically related, 4 00:00:50,258 --> 00:00:52,551 but share interests of some kind... 5 00:00:54,345 --> 00:00:56,638 ...and have pledged loyalty to each other. 6 00:01:19,829 --> 00:01:24,792 I think men in particular, have a kind of instinct for banding together, 7 00:01:24,918 --> 00:01:27,211 and being in a group together. 8 00:01:30,882 --> 00:01:36,220 Most of the identity of that group is formed by its separateness from everybody else. 9 00:02:43,121 --> 00:02:49,585 There is a moment when it is dysfunctional not to look at the past. 10 00:02:51,963 --> 00:02:53,338 20 years into it - 11 00:02:53,464 --> 00:02:58,302 the randomness of an anniversary, 12 00:02:58,428 --> 00:03:01,805 we're actually going to look at it. 13 00:03:04,309 --> 00:03:06,310 We're gonna open the box. 14 00:03:26,372 --> 00:03:30,334 Making Achtung Baby was the reason we're still here now. 15 00:03:32,045 --> 00:03:33,921 That was the pivot point 16 00:03:34,047 --> 00:03:36,798 where we were either going forward, 17 00:03:36,925 --> 00:03:41,678 or, is this our moment to implode? 18 00:03:42,597 --> 00:03:47,559 I thought to myself, "This is it, we've come to the end of the road - 19 00:03:47,685 --> 00:03:51,480 "band breaks up over artistic differences." 20 00:03:52,398 --> 00:03:53,941 Classic cliche. 21 00:04:27,016 --> 00:04:31,061 We're gonna have to listen to The Fly, I think, and... 22 00:04:31,980 --> 00:04:33,605 So, if we can play it back...? 23 00:04:34,357 --> 00:04:37,442 We can't afford to make a mistake on the second song. 24 00:04:54,752 --> 00:05:01,133 We had this thing where we really believed in music as a sacrament. 25 00:05:02,885 --> 00:05:04,428 It's over there. 26 00:05:05,096 --> 00:05:09,766 You almost have to take your shoes off in its company. 27 00:05:12,312 --> 00:05:16,481 So we have quite a low opinion of the musician, 28 00:05:16,607 --> 00:05:19,651 and a very high opinion of music. 29 00:05:20,987 --> 00:05:25,532 We're only reverent to the thing if it happens. 30 00:05:26,993 --> 00:05:30,912 That thing, whatever you call it, you know, the song that enters the room, 31 00:05:31,039 --> 00:05:33,707 and you go, "That's why we're all here." 32 00:05:35,043 --> 00:05:37,627 - It's not gonna work. - lt doesn't really work, does it? 33 00:05:43,634 --> 00:05:45,510 You can stop that, if you would. 34 00:05:46,512 --> 00:05:48,096 Do we know where that's from? 35 00:05:49,515 --> 00:05:52,851 Was that actually played to human beings... 36 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:58,857 ...who were gathered together for the purpose of music? 37 00:05:58,983 --> 00:06:00,067 Was that a guitar mix? 38 00:06:00,193 --> 00:06:02,527 lt sounds like... 39 00:06:04,197 --> 00:06:07,574 Yeah, it's a special mix accentuating the guitar. 40 00:06:07,700 --> 00:06:10,369 OK, it's certainly very 'special'. 41 00:06:10,495 --> 00:06:12,621 Joe, do you have a version that you mixed? 42 00:06:27,512 --> 00:06:32,516 There's an environment out of which music... grows. 43 00:06:33,976 --> 00:06:39,898 There's a kind of faith that's necessary to move from one note to the other. 44 00:06:41,484 --> 00:06:44,069 That wasn't the environment we were in. 45 00:06:46,948 --> 00:06:51,701 We felt as we walked into this place, well, it's so full of greatness... 46 00:06:53,121 --> 00:06:56,248 ...that greatness will visit with us. 47 00:07:01,379 --> 00:07:02,963 So, we're there, 48 00:07:03,089 --> 00:07:05,590 and greatness is nowhere to be seen. 49 00:07:05,716 --> 00:07:10,512 Greatness has left the building, it seems, years ago. 50 00:07:16,853 --> 00:07:18,770 This is good. 51 00:07:18,896 --> 00:07:21,106 Try it more, em... 52 00:07:23,192 --> 00:07:26,736 ...from you, Edge, just more totally abstract, 53 00:07:26,863 --> 00:07:30,198 like sonic abstraction. 54 00:07:38,291 --> 00:07:44,421 At this moment, we're a long way, a long way from the madness of Zoo TV, 55 00:07:44,547 --> 00:07:48,008 we're a long way from taking that television station around the world. 56 00:07:50,887 --> 00:07:55,557 Picture, picture. 57 00:08:03,900 --> 00:08:05,567 At this moment... 58 00:08:06,569 --> 00:08:09,279 ...I couldn't imagine what we were gonna become. 59 00:08:13,201 --> 00:08:14,993 Edge, it's brilliant. 60 00:08:15,119 --> 00:08:19,706 Great. And then, when I'm singing, slap it with the back of your hand. 61 00:08:25,713 --> 00:08:27,297 We're much closer now. 62 00:08:28,758 --> 00:08:34,804 The '80s, I think they suffered a lot from my own intensity. 63 00:08:37,099 --> 00:08:41,269 So, our rehearsals were, a lot of the time, me shouting at people. 64 00:08:43,397 --> 00:08:46,733 Well, shouting over the fucking racket they were making! 65 00:08:46,859 --> 00:08:49,945 And then shouting to achieve some kind of direction, 66 00:08:50,071 --> 00:08:52,322 and I don't know how they put up with that. 67 00:09:02,792 --> 00:09:04,251 Edge, Edge... 68 00:09:06,254 --> 00:09:07,879 ...when the singing starts, 69 00:09:08,005 --> 00:09:11,091 try to create a dynamic by almost getting really quiet - 70 00:09:11,217 --> 00:09:13,009 make it a dynamic. 71 00:09:13,135 --> 00:09:14,261 Very hard to do. 72 00:09:19,892 --> 00:09:21,017 OK, hold on. 73 00:09:22,645 --> 00:09:25,272 It's because you're in full flight - if I stop, it'll just sound bad. 74 00:09:25,398 --> 00:09:26,856 - No, it'll be great if you stop. - OK. 75 00:09:26,983 --> 00:09:28,358 So, a big, wild feedback thing. 76 00:09:32,363 --> 00:09:33,989 OK, keep going. 77 00:10:14,363 --> 00:10:17,616 Bono is the same now as he was back then. 78 00:10:17,742 --> 00:10:19,909 I mean, he's just one big idea. 79 00:10:20,870 --> 00:10:25,290 The moment I met him, he had the ball and he was running with it, 80 00:10:25,416 --> 00:10:27,917 and this was his opportunity. 81 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,839 Look at where this could go with a guy like that. 82 00:10:32,965 --> 00:10:37,218 You know, having that guy out front, having that guy as your singer - 83 00:10:37,345 --> 00:10:39,054 anything is possible. 84 00:10:40,139 --> 00:10:43,683 You wanna do this, we can do this, here's the plan - 85 00:10:43,809 --> 00:10:47,312 it was hard not to be taken by it, intoxicated by it, 86 00:10:47,438 --> 00:10:50,315 and just going, "Wow, this is something." 87 00:10:53,611 --> 00:10:54,986 After we'd left school, 88 00:10:55,112 --> 00:11:00,158 there was this period where Edge went to a technical college, 89 00:11:00,284 --> 00:11:02,744 Larry got a job, 90 00:11:02,870 --> 00:11:05,372 Bono almost got into college, 91 00:11:05,498 --> 00:11:07,791 and I wasn't doing anything. 92 00:11:11,462 --> 00:11:13,338 OK, here goes. 93 00:11:16,801 --> 00:11:20,345 OK, the band could just fall apart. 94 00:11:22,181 --> 00:11:26,393 Slowly, everyone kind of came back together again, 95 00:11:26,519 --> 00:11:29,688 and said, we've tried this going to college thing 96 00:11:29,814 --> 00:11:31,773 and this going to work thing, 97 00:11:31,899 --> 00:11:34,484 and we don't really wanna do that, we wanna be in the band. 98 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:49,874 Adam was the oldest, wisest 99 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,128 and with his posh plummy British accent. 100 00:11:54,046 --> 00:11:58,967 Edge was fairly reflective, even then, and kinda studious, 101 00:11:59,969 --> 00:12:02,303 Larry was a real life-force. 102 00:12:02,430 --> 00:12:04,431 He laughed a lot, 103 00:12:04,557 --> 00:12:07,183 but then he'd have moments of panic, 104 00:12:07,309 --> 00:12:10,228 where he'd go, "What am I doing hanging out with you guys?" 105 00:12:10,354 --> 00:12:15,984 I was a bit of a brat, but I'd had enough trauma at home, 106 00:12:16,110 --> 00:12:19,946 I was too raw to be a total pain in the arse... 107 00:12:20,823 --> 00:12:22,407 ...but I had a lot of front. 108 00:12:22,533 --> 00:12:24,200 In fact, that's all I had. 109 00:12:26,203 --> 00:12:29,831 I managed to break through the self-consciousness. 110 00:12:30,875 --> 00:12:36,796 I got almost violent, hitting notes I couldn't sing. 111 00:12:41,886 --> 00:12:48,141 I always knew that I had these melodies in my head. 112 00:12:48,267 --> 00:12:52,061 I knew them when I was eight, when I was ten, 113 00:12:52,188 --> 00:12:54,898 but I had no ability to express them. 114 00:12:56,400 --> 00:13:01,196 One of my earliest memories was in my granny's house - 115 00:13:01,322 --> 00:13:03,239 they had a piano. 116 00:13:03,365 --> 00:13:06,367 I couldn't see the keyboard but I could make a sound. 117 00:13:08,078 --> 00:13:10,288 When I hit one of those notes, 118 00:13:10,414 --> 00:13:16,461 my instinct was to find another note that felt good with it. 119 00:13:16,587 --> 00:13:19,255 And I even then discovered the power of reverb. 120 00:13:19,381 --> 00:13:21,966 I remember sticking my foot on the pedal of the piano, 121 00:13:22,092 --> 00:13:26,888 and how this tiny living room would become a cathedral. 122 00:13:32,019 --> 00:13:33,937 When I found my voice, 123 00:13:34,063 --> 00:13:36,397 it was like I'd been walking with a limp. 124 00:13:37,274 --> 00:13:39,609 lt was the first time I walked up straight. 125 00:13:41,237 --> 00:13:43,112 Rock and roll, 126 00:13:43,239 --> 00:13:45,114 joining this band, 127 00:13:45,241 --> 00:13:47,492 was emancipation. 128 00:13:47,618 --> 00:13:50,078 lt was liberation. 129 00:13:53,499 --> 00:13:58,294 And I just knew this feeling was the greatest feeling I could have. 130 00:14:05,302 --> 00:14:11,140 The clan sees itself as distinct from everybody else around, 131 00:14:11,267 --> 00:14:15,270 and sees itself as bound by some ties of loyalty. 132 00:14:33,247 --> 00:14:34,622 Sounded great. 133 00:14:34,748 --> 00:14:36,207 Yeah? 134 00:14:38,377 --> 00:14:40,378 Yeah, fantastic. 135 00:14:40,504 --> 00:14:43,464 Maybe a bit more passion this time, Bono. 136 00:14:43,591 --> 00:14:45,967 - Yeah, it was a bit restrained actually. - Yeah. 137 00:14:46,093 --> 00:14:48,303 Maybe you could try standing for this one. 138 00:14:50,347 --> 00:14:52,432 The only direction I might offer you is that 139 00:14:52,558 --> 00:14:56,603 the first chorus might be a little more restrained than the others. 140 00:14:56,729 --> 00:15:00,607 But, um... I wouldn't like to inhibit what you're doing. 141 00:15:08,407 --> 00:15:11,993 All the British rock and roll people, even the punk rock people, 142 00:15:12,119 --> 00:15:14,454 Joe Strummer and Paul Simonon, they're all Art School. 143 00:15:14,580 --> 00:15:17,290 John Lennon - Art School. Eric Clapton - Art School. 144 00:15:17,416 --> 00:15:19,375 Jimmy Page - Art School. They're all Art School. 145 00:15:21,253 --> 00:15:23,087 Brian Eno was our Art School. 146 00:15:25,299 --> 00:15:26,591 lt is like painting. 147 00:15:26,717 --> 00:15:29,052 You're putting sounds together. 148 00:15:29,178 --> 00:15:32,931 You're adding things, taking them off the next day. 149 00:15:33,057 --> 00:15:36,976 Suddenly the act of making music is spread over months, 150 00:15:37,102 --> 00:15:39,228 rather than a single performance. 151 00:15:42,232 --> 00:15:43,691 Play your bit. 152 00:15:45,027 --> 00:15:49,197 I think they always know that it's difficult, 153 00:15:49,323 --> 00:15:51,741 and if it isn't difficult, they don't trust it. 154 00:15:53,744 --> 00:15:55,536 Yeah, that's right. 155 00:15:58,207 --> 00:16:03,670 Every record they've ever made has gone right down to the very last second. 156 00:16:03,796 --> 00:16:08,299 That's the thing. I would just like to know that we have got a good take, 157 00:16:08,425 --> 00:16:11,511 even if there are one or two things to repair. 158 00:16:11,637 --> 00:16:17,475 And then we can go on with some sense of, less sense of desperation, 159 00:16:17,601 --> 00:16:19,477 into doing some other takes. 160 00:16:19,603 --> 00:16:23,314 What do you think, Bono, do you wanna try a few lines on this? 161 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:28,319 Erm, I'll do some scat singing if that's any help to you. 162 00:16:28,445 --> 00:16:30,989 When Bono goes off and does a vocal, 163 00:16:31,115 --> 00:16:33,157 and you think you've heard a whole set of lyrics, 164 00:16:33,283 --> 00:16:35,159 you think, "Wow, I was really touched by that lyric". 165 00:16:35,285 --> 00:16:38,329 Then you listen later and say, "Wait a minute, he's fudging half the words." 166 00:16:45,629 --> 00:16:48,464 Bono's singing, and he's just channelling. 167 00:17:00,769 --> 00:17:06,190 He's trying to get to the vocabulary of the melody in sound. 168 00:17:06,316 --> 00:17:08,109 Anything there? 169 00:17:11,488 --> 00:17:14,949 We get the music and then the melody, 170 00:17:15,075 --> 00:17:20,371 and then we try to let the words express the feeling that's in the song, 171 00:17:20,497 --> 00:17:23,291 cos there's a feeling in every piece of music. 172 00:17:26,795 --> 00:17:32,050 It's an odd way to live your life, as a composer, 173 00:17:32,176 --> 00:17:35,678 building your house from the sky down. 174 00:17:40,851 --> 00:17:43,394 Sometimes I think I'm cleverer than what I've just... 175 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:45,480 than the expression that's just come out. 176 00:17:48,692 --> 00:17:53,362 It's not a place for a vain man to be - you know, intellectually vain. 177 00:17:54,573 --> 00:17:57,408 I find myself listening on little tape machines 178 00:17:57,534 --> 00:18:00,203 to me singing gobbledegook - 179 00:18:00,329 --> 00:18:05,792 it's like a child, it's like I'm speaking Japanese or Italian or something. 180 00:18:05,918 --> 00:18:08,169 Bonolese is like a language 181 00:18:08,295 --> 00:18:09,837 It's just a made-up language. 182 00:18:09,963 --> 00:18:13,091 I hear then a word, I hear then a thought, 183 00:18:13,217 --> 00:18:14,634 and I have to scribble it down. 184 00:18:23,393 --> 00:18:27,730 We always had a mic ready when Bono came into the room. 185 00:18:28,732 --> 00:18:32,568 He'd hear something and say, "Oh", and he'd start singing, 186 00:18:32,694 --> 00:18:35,446 and if you didn't catch it, it was gone. 187 00:18:37,407 --> 00:18:39,117 He didn't repeat things. 188 00:18:39,243 --> 00:18:41,202 Or, if he did, he didn't repeat them 189 00:18:41,328 --> 00:18:46,332 with that same oddness that the first moment would have. 190 00:19:01,765 --> 00:19:03,432 What's the chorus chords again? 191 00:19:07,521 --> 00:19:09,772 So, A to... 192 00:19:11,650 --> 00:19:13,234 A... D... 193 00:19:26,915 --> 00:19:31,377 We'd spent the '80s throwing stones at other people. 194 00:19:42,306 --> 00:19:45,474 Now we've started throwing the stones at ourself. 195 00:20:07,664 --> 00:20:09,874 Wow! 196 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,335 ls this what you would do? 197 00:20:12,461 --> 00:20:14,587 Yeah. 198 00:20:14,713 --> 00:20:17,215 - Pretty much. - What's different? 199 00:20:17,341 --> 00:20:20,593 The only difference is we didn't, we have songs now - 200 00:20:20,719 --> 00:20:23,429 back then we didn't really have songs. 201 00:20:33,023 --> 00:20:36,359 Well, the mid '80s we started to tour in America. 202 00:20:37,778 --> 00:20:43,241 lt wasn't a thing of having been prepared, groomed, made ready for it, 203 00:20:43,367 --> 00:20:45,952 it was like suddenly, boom, you were there. 204 00:20:47,746 --> 00:20:52,083 Being 22 or 23 and you have a bit of success, 205 00:20:52,209 --> 00:20:54,585 it's gonna be tricky for anybody. 206 00:20:54,711 --> 00:20:58,422 If you come from Dublin, 207 00:20:58,548 --> 00:21:01,550 and not only do you come from Dublin, you're still in Dublin, 208 00:21:01,677 --> 00:21:05,054 it's gonna make you a little self-conscious. 209 00:21:06,556 --> 00:21:09,433 I met them in '82. I was working for a magazine in England 210 00:21:09,559 --> 00:21:11,352 called the New Musical Express. 211 00:21:11,478 --> 00:21:14,939 They asked me to go to New Orleans to shoot U2. 212 00:21:15,065 --> 00:21:16,399 I'd never heard of U2. 213 00:21:17,776 --> 00:21:21,279 There was certainly a house photographic style, 214 00:21:21,405 --> 00:21:23,698 we used to jokingly refer to it. 215 00:21:25,117 --> 00:21:29,495 Since most of the photographs during that time were taken by Anton, 216 00:21:29,621 --> 00:21:31,289 there was a certain amount of collusion. 217 00:21:31,415 --> 00:21:34,333 That was the way the band wished to present themselves. 218 00:21:34,459 --> 00:21:36,961 The work was always serious and for me that was the same. 219 00:21:37,087 --> 00:21:39,797 My photography, if you look at my books, 220 00:21:39,923 --> 00:21:41,799 is never about the lighter moments. 221 00:21:41,925 --> 00:21:43,843 We hated photo shoots. 222 00:21:43,969 --> 00:21:45,970 Make sure you get some sun on your faces. 223 00:21:46,596 --> 00:21:48,681 If you all come a bit forward... 224 00:21:48,807 --> 00:21:52,977 We started to be those kind of earnest po-faced men. 225 00:22:07,451 --> 00:22:10,661 I went out one night with Bono and I said, 226 00:22:10,787 --> 00:22:13,748 "There's a tree here which I really love, it's called the Joshua Tree 227 00:22:13,874 --> 00:22:16,917 "lt would be a brilliant idea to have that on the front 228 00:22:17,044 --> 00:22:19,837 "and the band would be on the back, like a continuation." 229 00:22:19,963 --> 00:22:22,381 He's Dutch and he can't say 'Joshua'. 230 00:22:22,507 --> 00:22:24,675 He would say 'Yoshua'. 231 00:22:24,801 --> 00:22:29,388 So we really go off on getting him to say Yoshua Tree Park. 232 00:22:31,808 --> 00:22:35,019 The Joshua Tree sleeve is my favourite sleeve. 233 00:22:35,145 --> 00:22:37,897 Their faces were sculptured in stone. 234 00:22:39,524 --> 00:22:42,610 We always felt that the photographs should look like the material. 235 00:22:42,736 --> 00:22:48,032 Anton was not photographing us, he was photographing our songs, 236 00:22:48,158 --> 00:22:49,825 and the environment of the songs. 237 00:22:52,412 --> 00:22:55,414 So, those pictures of us as stoic Irishmen, 238 00:22:55,540 --> 00:22:58,209 pilgrims, in the desert - 239 00:22:59,211 --> 00:23:03,255 people would say when they meet you, you're not the same person. 240 00:23:07,511 --> 00:23:09,720 This is a very dangerous place to be, 241 00:23:09,846 --> 00:23:15,684 when your public image is so different from your private reality. 242 00:23:19,523 --> 00:23:20,940 And the winner is... 243 00:23:23,693 --> 00:23:25,027 ...The Joshua Tree, U2. 244 00:23:27,072 --> 00:23:31,867 We'd arrived. Suddenly, this was our defining moment. 245 00:23:33,453 --> 00:23:36,580 I'd like to thank Jack Healey and Amnesty International for all their work, 246 00:23:36,706 --> 00:23:38,457 Desmond Tutu for his courage... 247 00:23:38,583 --> 00:23:40,418 lt was a very mad time. 248 00:23:40,544 --> 00:23:44,713 We were guys in our mid 20s having this amazing experience 249 00:23:45,257 --> 00:23:48,134 Nothing could've prepared you for that 250 00:23:48,260 --> 00:23:51,262 ...John the Baptist, George Best, Gregory Peck, Batman and Robin, 251 00:23:51,388 --> 00:23:54,723 sumo wrestlers throughout the world, and of course, Ronald Reagan. 252 00:23:56,226 --> 00:23:59,520 They wanna put us on the cover of Time Magazine. 253 00:24:06,236 --> 00:24:08,154 Um, it's a comedy. 254 00:24:11,616 --> 00:24:13,284 It's a comedy about the tour. 255 00:24:13,410 --> 00:24:15,744 lt was a great idea. 256 00:24:15,871 --> 00:24:17,621 lt was a really good idea. 257 00:24:21,001 --> 00:24:22,793 Make a small film about the band. 258 00:24:28,300 --> 00:24:30,968 And everyone went, "Yippee, this is a great idea." 259 00:24:33,972 --> 00:24:35,806 The next thing it's like, "We're going to invest 260 00:24:35,932 --> 00:24:40,060 "all the money we made from The Joshua Tree into this thing, 261 00:24:40,187 --> 00:24:42,104 "Paramount are going to take it 262 00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:44,815 "and it's going to go to cinemas all over the place." 263 00:24:45,942 --> 00:24:47,943 I encouraged the idea of a movie. 264 00:24:48,570 --> 00:24:50,654 Remember that in the course of the tour, 265 00:24:50,780 --> 00:24:54,700 we went from being an arena band to being a stadium band, 266 00:24:54,826 --> 00:24:58,370 and had to learn how to do that kind of on the run. 267 00:24:59,331 --> 00:25:02,958 This was in the days before video reinforcement. 268 00:25:04,044 --> 00:25:05,961 lt was hell. 269 00:25:06,087 --> 00:25:09,006 lt was literally just us in a stadium. 270 00:25:10,509 --> 00:25:12,718 We were so out of our depth 271 00:25:12,844 --> 00:25:16,347 and not quite proficient enough to be consistent. 272 00:25:17,641 --> 00:25:19,683 lt was a rollercoaster ride. 273 00:25:19,809 --> 00:25:23,312 There was a white knuckle aspect to just holding on. 274 00:25:25,982 --> 00:25:29,944 We didn't have enough material to do a stadium show. 275 00:25:31,029 --> 00:25:34,490 Bono felt particularly vulnerable - 276 00:25:34,616 --> 00:25:37,535 he's out there, sticking his ass out the window, 277 00:25:37,661 --> 00:25:40,746 and he expects the band are gonna be there. 278 00:25:42,374 --> 00:25:47,461 Every night we would come off the stage, we would debrief ourselves, 279 00:25:47,587 --> 00:25:52,591 and we would have this over-riding feeling of doom and gloom, 280 00:25:52,717 --> 00:25:54,718 that we just weren't good enough. 281 00:26:01,685 --> 00:26:05,396 You couldn't just rely on making it up on the night. 282 00:26:20,537 --> 00:26:21,579 Shit happens. 283 00:26:21,705 --> 00:26:23,872 The drum kit would move forward. 284 00:26:28,086 --> 00:26:30,004 The sound I'd have on stage wouldn't work. 285 00:26:30,130 --> 00:26:31,672 I can't live with this. 286 00:26:31,798 --> 00:26:34,091 Edge would break a guitar string 287 00:26:34,217 --> 00:26:36,302 and it would happen every night for a week. 288 00:26:38,138 --> 00:26:40,139 For him, he became just wild - 289 00:26:41,141 --> 00:26:46,687 pent up rage, anger, I mean, the whole gamut of emotions, 290 00:26:46,813 --> 00:26:49,315 so, and you really didn't know what you were going to get - 291 00:26:49,441 --> 00:26:51,400 it was very intense. 292 00:27:23,391 --> 00:27:26,143 lt was particularly difficult for Bono, 293 00:27:26,269 --> 00:27:31,857 because he had to really work as a physical performer to sell those songs. 294 00:27:32,776 --> 00:27:35,277 Having to steel ourselves almost 295 00:27:35,403 --> 00:27:39,323 to deal with the position we found ourselves in, 296 00:27:39,449 --> 00:27:44,203 and we'd become overly earnest, overly intense, overly protective. 297 00:28:07,143 --> 00:28:09,019 In the course of that tour, 298 00:28:09,145 --> 00:28:13,148 they became fascinated, if you like, by America 299 00:28:21,157 --> 00:28:22,616 That's my wife. 300 00:28:29,541 --> 00:28:31,709 The reason for making Rattle And Hum 301 00:28:31,835 --> 00:28:34,795 was actually to prove something to ourselves and to our audience. 302 00:28:39,509 --> 00:28:45,931 lt was an experiment in drawing from the American roots music canon. 303 00:28:47,183 --> 00:28:50,227 I want to learn the blues from you today. 304 00:28:52,522 --> 00:28:54,523 Have I come to the right place? 305 00:28:56,901 --> 00:28:59,737 The idea behind Rattle And Hum was, wouldn't it be interesting 306 00:28:59,863 --> 00:29:02,990 if we went on this journey to discover American music, 307 00:29:03,116 --> 00:29:05,033 because we had no background in it. 308 00:29:06,035 --> 00:29:09,371 Let people see us as fans. 309 00:29:14,878 --> 00:29:18,088 Just because something was new for us, doesn't mean it's new for the listener. 310 00:29:19,090 --> 00:29:21,800 People knew all about BB King, 311 00:29:21,926 --> 00:29:25,554 they knew all about the blues, they knew all about country music. 312 00:29:26,598 --> 00:29:28,766 lt looked to people like we were going, 313 00:29:28,892 --> 00:29:31,518 "Let's introduce you to your music." 314 00:29:32,896 --> 00:29:34,897 That's such a shame, really. 315 00:29:38,610 --> 00:29:41,904 We had unbelievable amounts of laughs, 316 00:29:42,030 --> 00:29:44,156 except when you put the camera on. 317 00:29:44,282 --> 00:29:47,117 Then we just were like... Woosh! lt was gone. 318 00:29:48,995 --> 00:29:53,332 He went through miles and miles and miles of takes, 319 00:29:53,458 --> 00:29:55,083 and there's no joy in it. 320 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,295 What's the deal with the camera, Phil? 321 00:29:58,421 --> 00:30:00,881 Do we just pretend it's not there, or get on with it? 322 00:30:01,007 --> 00:30:02,800 No, you can do what you want. 323 00:30:02,926 --> 00:30:06,386 Yeah, this is just like whatever we... it's for fun. 324 00:30:06,513 --> 00:30:09,973 So, you know, man, if you want to talk... 325 00:30:10,099 --> 00:30:11,892 It's fun for him, guys. 326 00:30:12,018 --> 00:30:15,729 I know, I know. The good thing is, it's your camera. 327 00:30:16,439 --> 00:30:21,985 As post production started, they involved themselves in the cut, 328 00:30:22,111 --> 00:30:26,448 and got to choose which way they really wanted to be seen. 329 00:30:32,497 --> 00:30:36,500 The film is entirely shot in America, showing U2 in America, why is that? 330 00:30:36,626 --> 00:30:38,502 Why is that? 331 00:30:39,420 --> 00:30:44,174 We let people see the sort of naivete. 332 00:30:44,300 --> 00:30:46,802 And what came out the other end 333 00:30:46,928 --> 00:30:50,180 was a slew of reviews saying 334 00:30:50,306 --> 00:30:53,141 these people are fucking megalomaniacs. 335 00:30:53,893 --> 00:30:58,188 Backstage footage shows the band being deliberately inarticulate in interviews 336 00:30:58,314 --> 00:31:00,357 and pretending that's cute. 337 00:31:00,483 --> 00:31:03,485 But it's not cute to giggle and pretend you have nothing to say. 338 00:31:16,499 --> 00:31:19,084 Everyone was kind of a little shell-shocked. 339 00:31:24,007 --> 00:31:29,011 You start to believe... what people are saying about you. 340 00:31:29,804 --> 00:31:33,724 You start to think, maybe this is the end. 341 00:31:35,894 --> 00:31:40,439 I was sitting with Ali, she said, "You've gotten so serious. 342 00:31:41,608 --> 00:31:43,150 "You've gotten so serious. 343 00:31:43,276 --> 00:31:46,987 "The boy I fell in love with was so full of mischief, 344 00:31:47,113 --> 00:31:49,823 "so full of madness. 345 00:31:50,783 --> 00:31:52,492 "You were a much more experimental character - 346 00:31:52,619 --> 00:31:54,161 "what's happened to you?" 347 00:31:55,163 --> 00:31:58,415 A group is a sort of collective ego in a sense. 348 00:31:58,541 --> 00:32:02,419 And that ego is very easily offended. 349 00:32:02,545 --> 00:32:04,588 We found out that he had left the group 350 00:32:04,714 --> 00:32:07,674 when we got copies of the letter from the record companies. 351 00:32:15,099 --> 00:32:19,937 Of course, popularity is a great ruiner of friendships in a way. 352 00:32:20,063 --> 00:32:21,939 That makes me feel like sad, you know? 353 00:32:22,065 --> 00:32:24,107 That's like somebody taking you out to dinner 354 00:32:24,233 --> 00:32:25,525 and you think you had a great time 355 00:32:25,652 --> 00:32:26,944 and at the end of the night they go, 356 00:32:27,070 --> 00:32:29,029 "Hey, you know what? I had a really lousy time. 357 00:32:29,155 --> 00:32:32,199 "And you know what? You're lousy too! But thanks for dinner." 358 00:32:43,670 --> 00:32:45,462 It's to do with personalities, you know what I mean? 359 00:32:45,588 --> 00:32:48,882 I didn't split. I didn't do a walk, Noel did, so ask him. 360 00:32:49,008 --> 00:32:50,342 Apparently I was a nightmare to work with. 361 00:32:50,468 --> 00:32:53,512 I had to have my own dressing rooms and stuff. I don't think so, mate! 362 00:33:22,166 --> 00:33:23,625 Well, I'm going home! 363 00:33:32,969 --> 00:33:35,846 This... I was explaining to people the other night, 364 00:33:35,972 --> 00:33:38,265 but I might've got it a bit wrong. 365 00:33:38,391 --> 00:33:42,185 This is the end of something for U2 - 366 00:33:42,311 --> 00:33:44,312 that's why we're playing these concerts. 367 00:33:44,439 --> 00:33:46,481 We were physically exhausted, 368 00:33:46,607 --> 00:33:49,568 and creatively felt we'd run out of steam. 369 00:33:49,694 --> 00:33:52,654 It's no big deal, it's just we have to go away... 370 00:33:55,450 --> 00:33:57,784 ...and just dream it all up again. 371 00:34:07,670 --> 00:34:08,795 Stop it! 372 00:34:09,505 --> 00:34:11,590 Hang on, wait until I put me hat on. 373 00:34:11,716 --> 00:34:13,050 Anyway, we are going... 374 00:34:13,176 --> 00:34:17,512 going very shortly to The Point Depot in Dublin, 375 00:34:17,638 --> 00:34:18,805 where U2 are playing. 376 00:34:29,650 --> 00:34:31,777 This didn't become us, 377 00:34:31,903 --> 00:34:35,614 this kind of band we had become. 378 00:34:37,533 --> 00:34:42,704 We looked like a big overblown rock band running amok. 379 00:34:45,541 --> 00:34:49,795 The Irish sons returning home triumphant. 380 00:34:51,380 --> 00:34:53,882 Irish people go, "Who?" 381 00:34:54,717 --> 00:34:57,385 First of all they look like some American band. 382 00:34:57,512 --> 00:35:00,680 And not just American, but like some American show band. 383 00:35:02,642 --> 00:35:06,728 You left here as an interesting post punk phenomenon... 384 00:35:08,648 --> 00:35:12,526 ...you go to America, fine, we'll run with you on The Joshua Tree, 385 00:35:13,236 --> 00:35:16,571 but now you've actually become this, you've come back, 386 00:35:16,697 --> 00:35:19,491 and by the way, you're not very good at it. 387 00:35:21,494 --> 00:35:25,080 When we were kids, 1 6/1 7 years old, 388 00:35:25,206 --> 00:35:27,791 going to see The Clash in Dublin, 389 00:35:30,962 --> 00:35:32,963 this was the enemy. 390 00:35:34,423 --> 00:35:36,758 Have we become the enemy? 391 00:35:40,263 --> 00:35:44,141 We hadn't committed any great crimes against humanity or art - 392 00:35:44,267 --> 00:35:49,271 all we'd done was been a little self-conscious and overblown. 393 00:35:55,444 --> 00:35:59,447 I'd like to thank Edge and Adam and Larry 394 00:35:59,574 --> 00:36:01,491 for letting me be in their band. 395 00:36:03,578 --> 00:36:07,497 They started out, as do most bands, by saying we don't want to be that, 396 00:36:07,623 --> 00:36:09,541 and we don't want to be that and we don't want to be that, 397 00:36:09,667 --> 00:36:13,837 and then they carried on by saying we don't want to be what we were either. 398 00:36:15,590 --> 00:36:19,342 As an artist, your biggest enemy is your own history, actually. 399 00:36:20,803 --> 00:36:25,265 Couldn't make corrective adjustments to put it right - 400 00:36:25,391 --> 00:36:28,226 the limb had to come off, you know. 401 00:36:28,352 --> 00:36:33,607 Let's get a big fucking chainsaw and cut down the Joshua Tree. 402 00:36:34,609 --> 00:36:38,320 Great, good, thank God for that. 403 00:36:38,446 --> 00:36:41,615 So, now, let's go and figure it out. 404 00:36:42,617 --> 00:36:45,827 However, that was the end of the conversation. 405 00:36:46,454 --> 00:36:49,289 Bono made that statement, that was it. 406 00:36:49,415 --> 00:36:55,420 Next time we met, I think, was not long before we turned up in Berlin. 407 00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:26,534 We were running away from Lovetown and Rattle And Hum as fast as we could. 408 00:37:26,994 --> 00:37:30,330 I was listening to bands like KMFCM, 409 00:37:30,456 --> 00:37:34,334 Einsturzende Neubauten, the Young Gods. 410 00:37:38,547 --> 00:37:41,466 Machine age music is really what it is. 411 00:37:41,592 --> 00:37:44,594 It's about the use of repetition, 412 00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:49,766 and taking the humanity out of things, to a degree, 413 00:37:49,892 --> 00:37:54,062 so that the humanity that you put in there means more. 414 00:37:57,984 --> 00:38:02,279 Something about that new decade, the '90s, 415 00:38:02,405 --> 00:38:05,282 something about the fall of the Berlin Wall, 416 00:38:05,408 --> 00:38:10,412 a new Europe emerging, that's what we were focussing on. 417 00:38:26,512 --> 00:38:30,932 There was a lot of experimental avant garde kind of music, 418 00:38:31,058 --> 00:38:33,935 that was coming out of Berlin and coming out of Germany. 419 00:38:34,603 --> 00:38:36,896 Berlin was all about texture. 420 00:38:38,107 --> 00:38:40,650 Manchester was about rhythm - 421 00:38:40,776 --> 00:38:45,280 rhythm that could only be created using computers and machines. 422 00:38:45,406 --> 00:38:47,949 I mean, the kids in Manchester don't know about that - 423 00:38:48,075 --> 00:38:52,787 they just instinctively know that that stuff is uncool, 424 00:38:52,913 --> 00:38:54,372 this is a cool direction. 425 00:38:58,294 --> 00:39:01,838 lt was at that moment when rock and roll and club culture 426 00:39:01,964 --> 00:39:03,631 had sort of come together - 427 00:39:04,633 --> 00:39:07,594 records being made for dancing. 428 00:39:09,472 --> 00:39:12,390 You could really trace it back to German theory, 429 00:39:12,516 --> 00:39:15,685 Stockhausen and these ideas about 430 00:39:15,811 --> 00:39:18,688 what modern composition should be about. 431 00:39:18,814 --> 00:39:22,942 German music had a huge impact on us, from Kraftwerk. 432 00:39:23,069 --> 00:39:28,073 When I was 1 6, one of the first records I bought for Ali was Man Machine, 433 00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:29,616 for her 1 5th birthday. 434 00:39:37,917 --> 00:39:41,044 This is soul music from Europe. 435 00:39:41,170 --> 00:39:43,755 This is the invention of electronic music. 436 00:39:43,881 --> 00:39:46,424 And they had a big influence on Joy Division, 437 00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:48,051 which had a big influence on us. 438 00:39:48,177 --> 00:39:51,763 lt was just an education in rhythm going on that you couldn't ignore. 439 00:39:53,224 --> 00:39:54,891 How were we gonna absorb that, 440 00:39:55,017 --> 00:39:57,519 and allow it to just make us better? 441 00:39:59,897 --> 00:40:06,569 After the New Year's Eve gig, there wasn't a lot of communication. 442 00:40:06,695 --> 00:40:09,155 Bono and Edge took themselves off, 443 00:40:09,281 --> 00:40:16,871 and decided to try and find a new way of writing and developing ideas. 444 00:40:17,623 --> 00:40:20,417 There was a little bit of abandonment, 445 00:40:20,543 --> 00:40:27,924 and a lot of that abandonment, for me, I spent in not good places. 446 00:40:28,801 --> 00:40:33,680 I took some drum lessons and listened to music I hadn't listened to before. 447 00:40:33,806 --> 00:40:37,016 Cream, and Ginger Baker and stuff like that. 448 00:40:38,144 --> 00:40:46,192 You have to reject one expression of the band... first, 449 00:40:46,318 --> 00:40:48,445 before you get to the next expression, 450 00:40:48,571 --> 00:40:51,239 and in between you have nothing. 451 00:40:53,242 --> 00:40:55,952 You have to risk it all. 452 00:41:00,749 --> 00:41:04,002 The height of technology was the DAT player. 453 00:41:09,675 --> 00:41:12,469 So I rang Bono and said, "I've got this idea. See what you think." 454 00:41:12,595 --> 00:41:16,431 He came in and he heard it and said, "I think it's good. Let's try it." 455 00:41:16,557 --> 00:41:18,933 So we recorded a few takes. 456 00:41:19,602 --> 00:41:20,810 Yeah, all right. 457 00:41:20,936 --> 00:41:23,188 C'mon now and give me that chocolate mousse. 458 00:41:23,314 --> 00:41:25,607 - Ready. - So high... 459 00:41:28,652 --> 00:41:30,069 Bass guitar. 460 00:41:30,654 --> 00:41:33,198 All right, Reggie. Give me that chocolate mousse. 461 00:41:34,074 --> 00:41:35,116 Thank you. 462 00:41:37,661 --> 00:41:39,579 A rhyme. 463 00:41:46,837 --> 00:41:49,297 Oh, it's the bass part from Mysterious Ways. 464 00:41:54,803 --> 00:41:56,304 It's like trying on a new leather jacket. 465 00:41:56,430 --> 00:41:58,515 You're just like... 466 00:41:58,641 --> 00:42:00,808 "Yeah, this can work, like. OK. 467 00:42:01,352 --> 00:42:03,853 "Make a few adjustments. Yeah, it's sort of... 468 00:42:03,979 --> 00:42:06,022 "ls it me? Yeah, it's kinda me." 469 00:42:06,148 --> 00:42:10,193 You can hear like Bono's trying to find himself in this. 470 00:42:10,319 --> 00:42:11,736 If you had that kind of genius 471 00:42:11,862 --> 00:42:14,531 that you could just sit on the groove, 472 00:42:14,657 --> 00:42:16,908 it's actually a great groove. 473 00:42:17,034 --> 00:42:19,619 It's just... There's just no song there. 474 00:42:20,162 --> 00:42:22,539 This is not Larry. This is the drum machine, 475 00:42:22,665 --> 00:42:25,041 so it's got no personality. 476 00:42:25,167 --> 00:42:27,085 It's just... 477 00:42:27,753 --> 00:42:29,379 It's not all right, in fact. 478 00:42:33,634 --> 00:42:35,927 In Dublin, I had a little studio in the house. 479 00:42:37,346 --> 00:42:39,097 The two of us worked together, 480 00:42:39,223 --> 00:42:42,976 just going through possible melodic ideas. 481 00:42:43,102 --> 00:42:45,687 lt just didn't... go anywhere. 482 00:42:51,068 --> 00:42:54,571 The idea of going away to a remote location, 483 00:42:54,697 --> 00:42:59,284 and recording away from home, was kind of already in the air, 484 00:42:59,410 --> 00:43:02,620 and I think Hansa must have been the number one candidate. 485 00:43:02,746 --> 00:43:05,915 lt was, I think, the feeling of being somewhere where 486 00:43:06,041 --> 00:43:08,251 there was a culture collision going on. 487 00:43:11,672 --> 00:43:15,008 There was a tension. Just a natural tension there. 488 00:43:15,134 --> 00:43:16,926 If drama is conflicts, 489 00:43:17,052 --> 00:43:19,429 you're going to end up in these kinds of places. 490 00:43:24,018 --> 00:43:25,268 Hansa? 491 00:43:25,394 --> 00:43:30,398 Yeah, it's a great rock and roll room - a lot of good records were made there. 492 00:43:36,864 --> 00:43:39,115 We'd heard about it from Brian Eno. 493 00:43:39,241 --> 00:43:42,201 He'd been here with David Bowie, obviously. 494 00:43:42,328 --> 00:43:47,665 The engineer that we got very close to and was also a co-producer, Flood, 495 00:43:47,791 --> 00:43:50,126 had worked in Berlin before. 496 00:43:50,252 --> 00:43:54,464 From about '84/'83 there were a variety of different artists. 497 00:43:54,590 --> 00:43:57,008 Bono said, "We want to go to Hansa." 498 00:43:57,134 --> 00:44:00,762 "We want to soak up that atmosphere." lt was like, "OK, brilliant." 499 00:44:03,724 --> 00:44:07,226 You took Iggy Pop to Berlin to make his records. 500 00:44:07,353 --> 00:44:12,315 I think it's a very good therapeutic city for an artist to go to, 501 00:44:12,441 --> 00:44:15,985 to come back to, not the punk street level, 502 00:44:16,111 --> 00:44:17,654 but a real street level, 503 00:44:17,780 --> 00:44:19,530 where you have to do things for yourself, 504 00:44:19,657 --> 00:44:21,491 where nobody will take any notice of you. 505 00:44:21,617 --> 00:44:23,242 I was totally anonymous in Berlin. 506 00:44:23,369 --> 00:44:26,287 Suddenly you're creating a kind of crucible - 507 00:44:26,413 --> 00:44:30,124 it's like a focussed capsule, where it's just the group of you. 508 00:44:30,250 --> 00:44:33,503 Eno was always a bit frustrated 509 00:44:33,629 --> 00:44:37,256 by the domesticity of the rock band, if you like. 510 00:44:37,383 --> 00:44:41,010 lt makes sense to break away for a little while 511 00:44:41,136 --> 00:44:44,180 and let the thing go kind of out of control. 512 00:44:44,306 --> 00:44:46,849 We just felt we wanted to get away to a place 513 00:44:46,975 --> 00:44:49,686 where we were much more focussed on making the record. 514 00:44:49,812 --> 00:44:54,023 We didn't have to, you know, deal with all the other paraphernalia 515 00:44:54,149 --> 00:44:55,525 that surrounds us in Dublin. 516 00:44:55,651 --> 00:44:59,904 Plumbers to talk to and interior decorators. 517 00:45:00,030 --> 00:45:02,740 Interior decorators are the death of recording, actually. 518 00:45:08,038 --> 00:45:10,373 The idea was to do something 519 00:45:10,499 --> 00:45:13,418 that had its roots partly in club culture... 520 00:45:13,544 --> 00:45:15,128 something very rhythmic. 521 00:45:15,254 --> 00:45:18,214 So, we started out by using a drum machine in Dublin, 522 00:45:18,340 --> 00:45:24,554 programming this very intricate polyrhythmic beat with a lot of swing - 523 00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,057 a place that U2 would never go to normally. 524 00:45:30,352 --> 00:45:34,731 We were trying to find our way into dance, 525 00:45:34,857 --> 00:45:38,401 a kind of groove music, that wasn't cliched. 526 00:45:38,527 --> 00:45:44,282 We were very much reacting to that shift away from Americana. 527 00:45:45,409 --> 00:45:48,578 Behind the workings of all of those songs, 528 00:45:48,704 --> 00:45:54,959 was this awareness of the rhythmic sophistication had to kind of come up. 529 00:46:01,383 --> 00:46:06,262 So we were the last flight in to the old divided Berlin. 530 00:46:06,388 --> 00:46:09,432 lt was British Airways' last one in the sky. 531 00:46:09,558 --> 00:46:13,394 Therefore, the pilot could just circle Berlin. 532 00:46:14,271 --> 00:46:16,481 And he had a very plummy accent... 533 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,277 "We are just going down over the Brandenburg Gate. 534 00:46:21,403 --> 00:46:23,613 "As you know, we have the skies to ourselves tonight, 535 00:46:23,739 --> 00:46:25,823 "and we're just going to take a little tour over here. 536 00:46:25,949 --> 00:46:27,742 "This is the wall." And we're like... 537 00:46:31,079 --> 00:46:34,123 And there was a little bit of 'bombs away' about it, no doubt about it. 538 00:46:34,249 --> 00:46:37,210 More than a million Germans are out on the streets of Berlin tonight... 539 00:46:39,171 --> 00:46:41,464 ...celebrating the birth of a united Germany 540 00:46:41,590 --> 00:46:44,091 in what is once again its official capital. 541 00:46:44,218 --> 00:46:46,344 We went looking for the celebrations, 542 00:46:46,470 --> 00:46:49,472 because we're Irish and we like to go out. 543 00:46:49,598 --> 00:46:54,101 And we ended up at a huge mass rally. 544 00:46:54,853 --> 00:46:59,816 But people didn't really look like they were having a very good time. 545 00:46:59,942 --> 00:47:03,110 lt was like grim. Very grim. 546 00:47:03,779 --> 00:47:09,575 until we discovered that we weren't at the celebration for the wall coming down, 547 00:47:09,701 --> 00:47:13,788 we were at a protest meeting to put the wall back up. 548 00:47:14,414 --> 00:47:15,498 I can't recall this exact spot, 549 00:47:15,624 --> 00:47:19,585 but I can recall it was behind the houses that I'm looking at now. 550 00:47:20,420 --> 00:47:25,049 The wall was here, somewhere. The wall was here, I think. 551 00:47:25,175 --> 00:47:27,677 And you had Hansa Studios, then a lot of waste land 552 00:47:27,803 --> 00:47:30,513 because nobody built near the wall. 553 00:47:30,639 --> 00:47:32,974 lt was just, you know, visually... 554 00:47:33,976 --> 00:47:35,852 lt was really interesting. 555 00:47:35,978 --> 00:47:39,188 It's hard to beat a good wall as a background for photographs, 556 00:47:39,314 --> 00:47:43,067 so I was always a very happy person here. 557 00:47:54,955 --> 00:47:59,166 We ended up in this hotel called the Palace Hotel, 558 00:48:00,210 --> 00:48:02,712 which was a festival of brown, 559 00:48:02,838 --> 00:48:06,215 meaning everything in the fucking hotel was brown. 560 00:48:06,341 --> 00:48:09,176 Brown carpet, brown... 561 00:48:09,303 --> 00:48:12,555 I mean, East Berlin was brown - brown knobs on the stereo, 562 00:48:12,681 --> 00:48:14,473 brown, brown! 563 00:48:15,851 --> 00:48:20,688 I was looking at a beautiful cathedral that was nice, from the brown room, 564 00:48:20,814 --> 00:48:22,106 in the brown hotel. 565 00:48:23,025 --> 00:48:26,235 Every morning, we'd drive into the studio, 566 00:48:26,361 --> 00:48:29,572 and there'd be a new burnt-out Trabbi on the side of the road. 567 00:48:30,198 --> 00:48:33,910 This car had just made it from some obscure part of East Germany, 568 00:48:34,036 --> 00:48:36,454 and he just had to leave it on the side of the road. 569 00:48:43,128 --> 00:48:46,297 These were cars that people were driving from the east side. 570 00:48:46,423 --> 00:48:48,382 They were made from papier-mache, 571 00:48:48,508 --> 00:48:50,051 they had two stroke engines in them. 572 00:49:17,412 --> 00:49:22,333 Potsdamer Platz, the centre of the old Berlin, 573 00:49:22,459 --> 00:49:25,127 has got a wall built right through the middle of it. 574 00:49:26,171 --> 00:49:29,090 There's a load of gypsies living there. 575 00:49:29,216 --> 00:49:32,969 Crusty people, beautiful souls, I'm sure. 576 00:49:33,095 --> 00:49:35,179 In the great hippie tradition of that city, 577 00:49:35,305 --> 00:49:37,974 they'd been given rights to live there. 578 00:49:38,100 --> 00:49:39,475 When the wall was knocked down, 579 00:49:39,601 --> 00:49:44,271 they owned the most prime real estate in Germany. 580 00:49:45,941 --> 00:49:47,775 Then there was Hansa Studios. 581 00:50:04,793 --> 00:50:08,462 We're coming here believing in improvisation. 582 00:50:10,632 --> 00:50:14,635 We started out doing the same thing that we'd always done, 583 00:50:14,761 --> 00:50:18,139 which was look for the magic moments when we played together. 584 00:50:19,641 --> 00:50:25,730 So it allows the four of us to be in the song writing process. 585 00:50:26,648 --> 00:50:28,024 Even before we went there, 586 00:50:28,150 --> 00:50:31,318 there was a sense of something not quite right... 587 00:50:32,612 --> 00:50:34,071 ...and then when we got there, 588 00:50:34,197 --> 00:50:36,991 we were on completely different pages. 589 00:50:37,659 --> 00:50:39,410 We would go into the room 590 00:50:39,536 --> 00:50:42,621 and we would just bash it out, hour after hour. 591 00:50:42,748 --> 00:50:46,083 Listen back and not like anything that we were doing. 592 00:50:46,918 --> 00:50:48,544 This is unexpected. 593 00:50:48,670 --> 00:50:52,715 We've got these great ideas, sounded great in Dublin, 594 00:50:52,841 --> 00:50:57,136 and now, we've hit Berlin and, what's wrong here? 595 00:51:36,051 --> 00:51:38,928 His marriage is breaking up. 596 00:51:39,054 --> 00:51:40,638 lt has broken up. 597 00:51:41,473 --> 00:51:44,308 We're a really tight community. 598 00:51:44,434 --> 00:51:47,728 This is not like somebody's girlfriend's left, 599 00:51:47,854 --> 00:51:48,979 we've grown up with these people - 600 00:51:49,106 --> 00:51:51,899 this is our family, our community. 601 00:51:53,235 --> 00:51:55,152 This was really hard for us, 602 00:51:55,278 --> 00:51:57,571 and very difficult for my wife. 603 00:51:58,740 --> 00:52:05,079 lt was like the first cracks on the beautiful porcelain jug, 604 00:52:05,205 --> 00:52:06,747 with those beautiful flowers in it, 605 00:52:06,873 --> 00:52:10,584 that was our music and our community starting to go. 606 00:52:19,928 --> 00:52:24,306 Leaving Dublin for Berlin was actually in a weird way was a distraction, 607 00:52:24,432 --> 00:52:25,975 a way to escape. 608 00:52:33,191 --> 00:52:36,277 I was disappearing into the music for a different reason, you know. 609 00:52:36,403 --> 00:52:38,612 lt was a refuge in a way. 610 00:52:53,378 --> 00:52:56,213 That approach didn't completely work, you know. 611 00:52:56,339 --> 00:53:00,634 I wasn't really in a good positive head space. 612 00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,679 I was... I was running away, I suppose. 613 00:53:06,474 --> 00:53:07,892 I remember being in the studio 614 00:53:08,018 --> 00:53:11,562 playing a guitar solo over Love ls Blindness. 615 00:53:12,856 --> 00:53:15,024 I've put everything into it. 616 00:53:15,150 --> 00:53:17,818 All the feeling, all the hurt, all the angst - 617 00:53:17,944 --> 00:53:19,778 everything went into that solo. 618 00:53:20,780 --> 00:53:22,990 I put down the guitar, went into the control room 619 00:53:23,116 --> 00:53:25,993 listened back, and it was really bad. 620 00:53:27,662 --> 00:53:29,205 And Danny looked at me, 621 00:53:29,331 --> 00:53:31,540 of course he had no idea what had gone into that 622 00:53:32,500 --> 00:53:35,169 ...and he said, "Nah. That's not it, is it, Edge?" 623 00:53:35,295 --> 00:53:37,463 And I went, "Danny, you're right, it's not it." 624 00:53:49,976 --> 00:53:55,481 Ever since we were kids, Edge tunes up at high volume, 625 00:53:55,607 --> 00:53:57,566 and he doesn't know that he's doing it. 626 00:53:57,692 --> 00:54:02,071 And based on the day he's having, and his emotional life, 627 00:54:02,197 --> 00:54:05,199 he tunes up more or less. 628 00:54:05,325 --> 00:54:11,288 So, when he's going through bad times, dang, dadang, dadang! 629 00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,751 So, it's like being hit by an iron bar on the back of your head, 630 00:54:15,877 --> 00:54:17,962 just going through rehearsals. 631 00:54:18,088 --> 00:54:19,922 And Larry's sitting there, he can't even move anywhere - 632 00:54:20,048 --> 00:54:24,301 he's like, "Edge, would you shut the fuck up! We're trying to talk here." 633 00:54:24,427 --> 00:54:27,596 And Edge just goes like this, gadang, gadang, gadang! 634 00:54:31,059 --> 00:54:33,477 We were kind of going down a lot of blind alleys, 635 00:54:33,603 --> 00:54:35,980 and there was a lot of friction, there was a lot of tension - 636 00:54:36,106 --> 00:54:38,857 nobody was particularly happy. 637 00:54:40,902 --> 00:54:45,572 And there begins a sort of internal argument about where we're not going. 638 00:54:46,032 --> 00:54:49,827 There was a lot of grumbling as to why we were there in the first place, 639 00:54:49,953 --> 00:54:52,121 and nothing was coming out of it. 640 00:54:55,166 --> 00:54:56,583 Within the band, myself and Bono 641 00:54:56,710 --> 00:55:00,504 were probably the ones pushing hardest to try new things. 642 00:55:01,339 --> 00:55:05,968 Adam was with us, Larry was probably the most resistant, 643 00:55:06,094 --> 00:55:11,473 and questioning why we were taking the direction we were taking. 644 00:55:13,476 --> 00:55:21,025 lt was just not really understanding what Bono and Edge had in mind, 645 00:55:21,151 --> 00:55:23,569 where they were coming from. 646 00:55:23,695 --> 00:55:28,824 I'd no idea that they were exploring, and particularly Edge, 647 00:55:28,950 --> 00:55:34,496 was exploring a particular kind of rhythmic and dancing, I had no idea. 648 00:55:35,832 --> 00:55:38,042 There was no us against them, really. 649 00:55:38,168 --> 00:55:40,502 I think... 650 00:55:40,628 --> 00:55:47,176 it was probably... for a moment, each man for himself, 651 00:55:47,302 --> 00:55:52,264 which is betrayal of the concept of a band. 652 00:56:02,108 --> 00:56:04,651 People just start to walk a bit differently. 653 00:56:05,487 --> 00:56:08,447 Conversation is a little different. 654 00:56:08,573 --> 00:56:11,867 The way they carry their cup of tea is different - 655 00:56:11,993 --> 00:56:16,914 there's just a sense of tension, of a doubt, of... 656 00:56:18,166 --> 00:56:22,127 Everyone sort of retreats somewhat into their own little corner. 657 00:56:25,340 --> 00:56:30,469 lt was a long, cold existence. 658 00:56:47,862 --> 00:56:51,407 It's fraught with danger, because you can fail at any moment, 659 00:56:51,533 --> 00:56:53,033 but that's the whole beauty of it. 660 00:56:53,701 --> 00:56:56,870 If you're prepared to remove the safety net, 661 00:56:56,996 --> 00:57:00,207 and if you're prepared to really expose yourselves, 662 00:57:00,333 --> 00:57:03,502 because your pursuit is after the magic moments - 663 00:57:03,628 --> 00:57:08,507 those moments of, "Wow, I would never have imagined." 664 00:57:10,218 --> 00:57:17,891 What I did was I just started to concentrate on ways to solve the musical problems, 665 00:57:18,017 --> 00:57:24,189 which is... my main sort of personality trait is a solver of problems. 666 00:57:25,108 --> 00:57:29,445 We would have a rough kind of chord structure, 667 00:57:29,571 --> 00:57:31,989 a rough melody, 668 00:57:32,115 --> 00:57:36,076 and we would basically try and get a drum take. 669 00:57:37,704 --> 00:57:41,790 I was using a lot of loops and drum machine elements. 670 00:57:41,916 --> 00:57:45,210 So we were trying to mesh Larry's live playing 671 00:57:45,336 --> 00:57:47,546 with these programmed elements. 672 00:57:48,715 --> 00:57:55,554 I'd never played to a drum machine that was going to be so present. 673 00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:57,514 This was a very new experience, 674 00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,476 and I didn't really know what to do. 675 00:58:00,602 --> 00:58:03,145 I didn't know how to give myself to it. 676 00:58:13,781 --> 00:58:16,492 I came in with my offering of the morning, of, 677 00:58:16,618 --> 00:58:19,161 "How about these ideas for the chorus?" 678 00:58:19,287 --> 00:58:21,622 I don't know which version we were working on. 679 00:58:32,634 --> 00:58:34,301 It's starting to come into focus. 680 00:58:38,139 --> 00:58:40,140 A new bridge. 681 00:58:42,602 --> 00:58:46,605 OK, this is the bit that I was saying - that never made the song. 682 00:58:46,731 --> 00:58:48,899 Well, this is, this is that. 683 00:58:50,235 --> 00:58:51,401 But there was another new bridge. 684 00:59:28,856 --> 00:59:30,899 That's a bit mad. 685 00:59:31,025 --> 00:59:39,199 The verse seemed to offer some kind of eternal, joyful, upful melody. 686 00:59:43,204 --> 00:59:51,003 Mm, interesting. ls that the first, the first time that melody... 687 00:59:52,130 --> 00:59:55,757 The first time, those chords in that melody were tried out. 688 00:59:55,883 --> 00:59:57,884 Didn't that shift into... 689 00:59:58,011 --> 00:59:59,219 One. 690 01:00:05,059 --> 01:00:07,769 I played these on acoustic guitar. 691 01:00:07,895 --> 01:00:11,773 Everyone's like trying to decide whether they were any good, 692 01:00:11,899 --> 01:00:13,275 and then Danny said, 693 01:00:13,401 --> 01:00:16,570 "Edge, why don't you play those two ideas sequentially? 694 01:00:16,696 --> 01:00:20,198 "Just play one after another and see what happens." 695 01:00:20,325 --> 01:00:22,784 So, I did, and everyone was like, 696 01:00:22,910 --> 01:00:26,121 "Ooh, that sounds really good, let's try that. 697 01:00:26,247 --> 01:00:28,040 "Let's try that in the big room." 698 01:00:29,083 --> 01:00:31,251 When you're at that moment of inception 699 01:00:31,919 --> 01:00:33,795 there's a sense of momentum, 700 01:00:33,921 --> 01:00:36,381 that takes you into a different place. 701 01:00:36,507 --> 01:00:40,927 You're not in the environment, you're not in those four walls. 702 01:00:46,267 --> 01:00:49,061 So, we all went into the big room and showed Adam the chords, 703 01:00:49,187 --> 01:00:51,104 and we just started playing them. 704 01:00:51,230 --> 01:00:52,939 Bono got on the microphone. 705 01:01:02,158 --> 01:01:06,161 Suddenly something very powerful is happening in the room. 706 01:01:11,459 --> 01:01:14,252 Something happened, something comes into the room, 707 01:01:14,379 --> 01:01:17,422 and you know it - everyone knew it, Danny... 708 01:01:18,841 --> 01:01:22,886 lt was one of those hairs on the back of your neck moments. 709 01:01:43,157 --> 01:01:44,908 Bridge. 710 01:01:50,206 --> 01:01:52,165 Piano, Edge. 711 01:01:53,292 --> 01:01:56,461 To the C. Stay on the C. 712 01:02:01,592 --> 01:02:03,260 F to G. 713 01:02:03,386 --> 01:02:06,513 If you can get the piano in Edge, that helped me the last time. 714 01:02:08,850 --> 01:02:10,100 And I'd like to hear Edge, Joe. 715 01:02:10,226 --> 01:02:13,729 He's calling out the chords and moving the chords, 716 01:02:13,855 --> 01:02:19,401 to figure out where the fertile ground is melodically for him. 717 01:02:22,113 --> 01:02:24,823 It's such a pivotal moment. 718 01:02:24,949 --> 01:02:27,159 We'd been going through this hard time 719 01:02:27,285 --> 01:02:29,828 and nothing seemed to be going right... 720 01:02:30,538 --> 01:02:34,332 ...suddenly, we were presented with this gift 721 01:02:34,459 --> 01:02:36,293 that just kind of arrived. 722 01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:42,340 lt steadied everyone's nerves hugely in the studio. 723 01:02:48,222 --> 01:02:49,848 We're playing these changes, 724 01:02:49,974 --> 01:02:53,477 but we're really listening to what Bono's doing on the microphone. 725 01:02:54,395 --> 01:02:57,773 Every time he finds a new place to go melodically, 726 01:02:57,899 --> 01:03:00,358 we try and go with him dynamically. 727 01:03:08,951 --> 01:03:11,286 We, as a band, always seem to come alive, 728 01:03:11,412 --> 01:03:15,373 when we're all aware of the fact there's something new happening in the room. 729 01:03:16,417 --> 01:03:20,170 Whatever it is, some little spark, some angle that's new, 730 01:03:20,296 --> 01:03:22,088 and then everyone's suddenly there. 731 01:03:24,383 --> 01:03:26,134 lt can happen very, very quickly, 732 01:03:26,260 --> 01:03:29,805 or... tragically, very slowly, 733 01:03:29,931 --> 01:03:34,768 but in the case of One, things happened extremely quickly. 734 01:03:42,443 --> 01:03:45,445 I don't want them to take off the echo if there's a chance they'll lose it. 735 01:03:45,571 --> 01:03:49,157 lt wasn't that we'd found a sonic identity for that, 736 01:03:49,283 --> 01:03:50,534 that sort of came later. 737 01:03:50,660 --> 01:03:53,829 I think it was we found a spiritual identity - 738 01:03:53,955 --> 01:03:57,624 that was the important thing, that was what we actually needed. 739 01:04:07,969 --> 01:04:13,139 There's a sort of blood pact, which is that we have to be truthful with each other. 740 01:04:14,141 --> 01:04:17,143 So, it wasn't working, we'd run out of gas... 741 01:04:18,312 --> 01:04:21,064 ...and maybe just saying that was... 742 01:04:22,066 --> 01:04:24,401 ...you know, that maybe we've outgrown each other. 743 01:04:24,527 --> 01:04:26,403 lt wasn't Adam's fault, it wasn't Larry's fault, 744 01:04:26,529 --> 01:04:28,405 it wasn't Danny's fault - 745 01:04:28,531 --> 01:04:32,158 they weren't convinced, because we weren't convincing them. 746 01:04:32,910 --> 01:04:35,287 The material wasn't done, it wasn't right. 747 01:04:35,413 --> 01:04:36,538 Where's the songs? 748 01:04:36,664 --> 01:04:40,292 "Cut the crap, show us your willy," as the cartoon said. 749 01:04:40,418 --> 01:04:42,752 Ever seen that with the peacock? 750 01:04:42,879 --> 01:04:45,046 Peacock's showing the big fantail, 751 01:04:45,172 --> 01:04:48,258 so, he goes, "Just cut the crap and show us your willy." 752 01:04:48,384 --> 01:04:50,176 Next time we do the chorus 753 01:04:52,096 --> 01:04:55,015 I want you not to end on a G but end on a C. 754 01:04:57,268 --> 01:04:58,560 Did you hear that, Adam? 755 01:04:58,686 --> 01:05:04,232 The way through writer's block is always by being truthful - 756 01:05:04,358 --> 01:05:08,570 to write a song about division, 757 01:05:09,989 --> 01:05:17,037 a bitter-sweet song about... disunity. 758 01:05:28,674 --> 01:05:34,638 I think what was going on at that time, took us a long time to come to terms with, 759 01:05:34,764 --> 01:05:37,515 and I almost can't remember 760 01:05:37,642 --> 01:05:41,186 what we were actually trying to come to terms with, 761 01:05:41,312 --> 01:05:43,438 but I know we carried each other 762 01:05:43,564 --> 01:05:46,024 to the point where we could stand on our own feet. 763 01:05:49,654 --> 01:05:55,533 At Christmas, everybody just went, "Fine, that's enough, go back to Ireland." 764 01:05:56,661 --> 01:06:02,165 I think there was about two months where there was a sort of sense of regrouping, 765 01:06:02,291 --> 01:06:06,670 like, "Right, so that's what we've left behind. 766 01:06:06,796 --> 01:06:09,381 "OK, well, we have got one or two things 767 01:06:09,507 --> 01:06:10,966 "that are leading the way." 768 01:06:16,514 --> 01:06:18,473 Berlin was a baptism of fire. 769 01:06:18,599 --> 01:06:21,935 lt was something that we had to go through, 770 01:06:22,061 --> 01:06:24,938 to realise that really what we were looking for 771 01:06:25,064 --> 01:06:27,983 and what we were trying to get to, 772 01:06:28,109 --> 01:06:31,569 was not something you could find physically outside of ourselves 773 01:06:31,696 --> 01:06:33,655 in some other city. 774 01:06:35,574 --> 01:06:38,535 There was no magic to it - 775 01:06:40,121 --> 01:06:42,163 we had to actually just put the work in, 776 01:06:42,289 --> 01:06:46,459 and figure out the ideas, and hone those ideas down. 777 01:06:48,713 --> 01:06:51,214 I mean, it's never gonna be a democracy, 778 01:06:51,340 --> 01:06:54,009 but if it's a benevolent dictatorship, 779 01:06:54,135 --> 01:07:00,557 that allows everybody to feel that they at least get a chance to say yay or nay. 780 01:07:01,976 --> 01:07:04,185 Then you get something like One - everybody's going, 781 01:07:04,311 --> 01:07:06,688 "Wow, that's amazing! Classic song, genius." 782 01:07:06,814 --> 01:07:09,524 Brian, "I really don't like that. 783 01:07:09,650 --> 01:07:12,485 "We're gonna have to sort that, that's just boring me to tears." 784 01:07:20,494 --> 01:07:22,704 The idea is to try to set a scene, 785 01:07:22,830 --> 01:07:27,042 so that the band doesn't walk into a blank canvas. 786 01:07:42,767 --> 01:07:45,643 There were suddenly all these little glimpses - 787 01:07:45,770 --> 01:07:48,229 "Oh, I can do that" and "I can try that." 788 01:07:49,482 --> 01:07:54,569 The thing behind the foreground - push that more and the voice more. 789 01:07:54,695 --> 01:07:56,112 So, bells back? 790 01:07:56,238 --> 01:07:59,032 Bells and Dan's like real attacky guitar. 791 01:07:59,158 --> 01:08:01,576 Everybody started to see jumping off points. 792 01:08:02,620 --> 01:08:04,329 What about the low one? 793 01:08:06,332 --> 01:08:07,749 I really like that. 794 01:08:07,875 --> 01:08:11,628 There's a kind of quicksilver sound about it, it's like shimmering. 795 01:08:11,754 --> 01:08:17,133 I like it, a real sliver of silver... at the top, 796 01:08:17,259 --> 01:08:20,720 but it needs maybe some... grit. 797 01:08:21,847 --> 01:08:26,267 And maybe that would come from... from you, Edge. 798 01:08:26,393 --> 01:08:28,144 You dirty dog! 799 01:08:30,106 --> 01:08:33,066 As wiry a sound as you can make it, Edge. 800 01:08:33,776 --> 01:08:35,443 Grit, wire.... 801 01:08:36,737 --> 01:08:39,155 The drum sound, the original drum sound, 802 01:08:39,281 --> 01:08:42,617 it came in so low and then it went... 803 01:08:42,743 --> 01:08:46,037 it came in and then went up, so I missed that. 804 01:08:46,163 --> 01:08:49,916 - It's not a point of drama anymore. - I felt I really missed it. 805 01:08:51,669 --> 01:08:53,378 The thing about Larry is 806 01:08:53,504 --> 01:08:57,590 he's as much of a visual part of the band as Bono and Edge. 807 01:08:58,342 --> 01:09:01,553 His style of drumming is unlike anybody else's. 808 01:09:01,679 --> 01:09:05,473 He's completely self-taught and he's basically wrong, 809 01:09:05,599 --> 01:09:08,184 but, thereby incredibly individual. 810 01:09:08,936 --> 01:09:11,479 Yeah, basically, what I was just gonna do was, 811 01:09:11,605 --> 01:09:15,775 because Edge seemed so keen on the previous part, 812 01:09:15,901 --> 01:09:17,902 I was basically just gonna try and emulate that 813 01:09:18,028 --> 01:09:20,321 and then change for the choruses. 814 01:09:23,617 --> 01:09:26,536 Sure, I'll do that. No problem. Sure. 815 01:09:28,747 --> 01:09:30,707 Man, he comes up with the drum signatures. 816 01:09:30,833 --> 01:09:32,917 Now hardly any drummers do this. 817 01:09:34,461 --> 01:09:37,172 You hear the drum beat and you know that's that song. 818 01:09:45,139 --> 01:09:48,725 Sorry, Larry, I'm stopping you cos I don't think that's going anywhere. 819 01:09:48,851 --> 01:09:50,894 It's softening the song up. 820 01:09:51,812 --> 01:09:55,607 What I liked about the previous part was that it was brutal, 821 01:09:55,733 --> 01:10:00,528 and made it sound vigorous and strange. 822 01:10:00,654 --> 01:10:03,531 lt might be because there's another snare involved in it. 823 01:10:03,657 --> 01:10:06,784 Everybody knows the value of the band. 824 01:10:07,870 --> 01:10:10,413 The idea that there'll be somebody to challenge you, 825 01:10:10,539 --> 01:10:12,207 and you can challenge other people, 826 01:10:12,333 --> 01:10:15,210 the idea they can do that as adults 827 01:10:15,336 --> 01:10:18,296 and not necessarily have to agree with people. 828 01:10:43,405 --> 01:10:46,699 - It's a nice sound, isn't it? - Yes, I know. 829 01:10:58,087 --> 01:11:00,213 They're very, very loyal to each other. 830 01:11:01,882 --> 01:11:04,801 And they're really, really kind to each other. 831 01:11:06,595 --> 01:11:10,056 It's no good to have somebody not well in the unit or not happy. 832 01:11:14,353 --> 01:11:18,439 The others don't say, "Hard luck, mate, we're carrying on." 833 01:11:18,565 --> 01:11:21,693 The others say, "OK, we've gotta get that person happy again." 834 01:11:21,819 --> 01:11:24,779 "We've got to draw them back into the circle." 835 01:11:32,496 --> 01:11:36,499 If we're being accused of megalomania... 836 01:11:37,793 --> 01:11:39,711 ...let's do some judo. 837 01:11:40,713 --> 01:11:46,884 Let's use the force of what's attacking us to defend ourselves. 838 01:11:51,724 --> 01:11:55,101 So, then we got a voice, this character, The Fly... 839 01:11:57,521 --> 01:11:59,689 ...to go with the glasses, 840 01:11:59,815 --> 01:12:02,734 and we distorted the voice, so I could go... 841 01:12:08,032 --> 01:12:11,326 ...it's no secret that the stars are falling from the sky... 842 01:12:23,756 --> 01:12:28,426 So, getting down there, into that sort of guttural place, 843 01:12:28,552 --> 01:12:31,054 into the gutter 844 01:12:31,180 --> 01:12:35,308 then I had a whole new vocabulary open up. 845 01:12:44,151 --> 01:12:46,069 You're going to go there, 846 01:12:46,195 --> 01:12:48,696 and I just decided I was gonna go there, 847 01:12:48,822 --> 01:12:52,950 but I couldn't do it without some armour on. 848 01:12:53,077 --> 01:12:55,703 If I was gonna expose my heart, 849 01:12:55,829 --> 01:12:59,457 I needed the right kind of armour to protect the rest of me. 850 01:13:01,168 --> 01:13:03,920 Well, I'm learning to lie. 851 01:13:04,046 --> 01:13:07,048 - Tell us about Bono. - I'm learning to be insincere. 852 01:13:07,174 --> 01:13:10,176 The shades, rock and roll, man. 853 01:13:12,096 --> 01:13:17,058 To quote Iggy Pop, "When things get too straight, I can't bear it, 854 01:13:17,184 --> 01:13:19,936 "and I feel like I'm stuck on a pin." 855 01:13:20,729 --> 01:13:23,898 Let's give them a rock star, let's have some fun with this. 856 01:13:24,691 --> 01:13:27,110 I took Lou Reed's glasses, 857 01:13:27,236 --> 01:13:29,570 and Jim Morrison's pants, 858 01:13:29,696 --> 01:13:33,324 Elvis's jacket, and a little bit of his hair - 859 01:13:33,450 --> 01:13:36,994 it was like an Identi-kit rock star, you know, an assemble one yourself? 860 01:13:37,121 --> 01:13:39,872 And actually, it was incredibly freeing. 861 01:14:25,711 --> 01:14:29,589 We started to embrace our world and the silliness of it - 862 01:14:30,591 --> 01:14:32,216 the contradictory nature of it. 863 01:14:33,093 --> 01:14:37,597 We stopped trying to be those earnest po-faced men. 864 01:14:39,183 --> 01:14:41,267 The mask reveals the man alright. 865 01:14:53,697 --> 01:14:55,615 lt was a move into brighter light. 866 01:14:58,285 --> 01:14:59,827 I think we got a bit fed up with 867 01:14:59,953 --> 01:15:03,831 those serious black and white gloomy photographs. 868 01:15:07,711 --> 01:15:13,591 It's Anton really not working in an area that he was comfortable in. 869 01:15:15,886 --> 01:15:17,595 I think we did brighten up a bit. 870 01:15:56,677 --> 01:16:00,555 That song informs so much about what ended up becoming 871 01:16:00,681 --> 01:16:03,849 our exploration live of media 872 01:16:03,976 --> 01:16:06,852 and the truth which was Zoo TV. 873 01:16:09,648 --> 01:16:12,233 Or maybe the encore's exactly the place for it. 874 01:16:12,359 --> 01:16:14,652 Just, you know, like fish tanks, 875 01:16:14,778 --> 01:16:17,154 something that might start over there and end up over there, 876 01:16:17,281 --> 01:16:19,115 but it's not what you think it is. 877 01:16:19,241 --> 01:16:20,658 So, you really like that? 878 01:16:20,784 --> 01:16:23,327 And Ned reckons he can get fins on it and all sorts. 879 01:16:25,414 --> 01:16:27,415 It's something funny, basically, isn't it? 880 01:16:27,541 --> 01:16:28,583 Yeah. 881 01:16:28,709 --> 01:16:30,918 During Zoo TV, I remember Edge saying... 882 01:16:31,044 --> 01:16:35,256 "This fantastic thing, this is our reward for ten years of restraint." 883 01:16:35,382 --> 01:16:40,678 It's just such a wide expanse to do something that... 884 01:16:41,388 --> 01:16:43,681 makes people laugh, 885 01:16:43,807 --> 01:16:46,726 as opposed to just be impressed. 886 01:17:16,798 --> 01:17:18,966 Loud, boom, boom! 887 01:17:20,927 --> 01:17:22,928 Boom! All different versions of us. 888 01:17:51,458 --> 01:17:54,460 I saw... them. 889 01:18:08,141 --> 01:18:10,267 I saw into them. 890 01:18:14,314 --> 01:18:17,149 I saw what Edge is now, I saw it then. 891 01:18:20,195 --> 01:18:21,487 I saw who they could be. 892 01:18:23,490 --> 01:18:25,282 lt was always there. 893 01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:31,539 And I saw Larry, and I thought, "This guy's a superstar." 894 01:18:34,376 --> 01:18:36,001 It's a very unromantic love, 895 01:18:36,128 --> 01:18:40,047 it's a very hard-bitten, tough, fuck off love. 896 01:21:34,472 --> 01:21:42,021 You have to reject one expression of the band... first, 897 01:21:42,147 --> 01:21:45,357 before you get to the next expression, 898 01:21:45,483 --> 01:21:47,735 and in between, you have nothing. 899 01:21:49,613 --> 01:21:52,156 You have to risk it... all. 900 01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:18,156 www.O P E N S U B T I T L E S.org75120

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