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What people are doing
when they're forming a band,
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is they're forming what an
anthropologist would call a clan.
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It's a group of people
who may not be genetically related,
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but share interests of some kind...
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...and have pledged loyalty
to each other.
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I think men in particular, have
a kind of instinct for banding together,
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and being in a group together.
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Most of the identity of that group is formed
by its separateness from everybody else.
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There is a moment when it is
dysfunctional not to look at the past.
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20 years into it -
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the randomness of an anniversary,
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we're actually going to look at it.
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We're gonna open the box.
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Making Achtung Baby
was the reason we're still here now.
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That was the pivot point
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where we were either going forward,
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or, is this our moment to implode?
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I thought to myself, "This is it,
we've come to the end of the road -
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"band breaks up
over artistic differences."
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Classic cliche.
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We're gonna have to listen to The Fly,
I think, and...
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So, if we can play it back...?
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We can't afford to make a mistake
on the second song.
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We had this thing where we really
believed in music as a sacrament.
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It's over there.
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You almost have to take your shoes off
in its company.
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So we have quite a low opinion
of the musician,
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and a very high opinion of music.
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We're only reverent
to the thing if it happens.
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That thing, whatever you call it, you know,
the song that enters the room,
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and you go, "That's why we're all here."
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- It's not gonna work.
- lt doesn't really work, does it?
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You can stop that, if you would.
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Do we know where that's from?
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Was that actually played
to human beings...
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...who were gathered together
for the purpose of music?
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Was that a guitar mix?
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lt sounds like...
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Yeah, it's a special mix
accentuating the guitar.
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OK, it's certainly very 'special'.
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Joe, do you have a version
that you mixed?
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There's an environment
out of which music... grows.
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There's a kind of faith that's necessary
to move from one note to the other.
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That wasn't the environment
we were in.
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We felt as we walked into this place,
well, it's so full of greatness...
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...that greatness will visit with us.
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So, we're there,
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and greatness is nowhere to be seen.
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Greatness has left the building,
it seems, years ago.
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This is good.
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Try it more, em...
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...from you, Edge,
just more totally abstract,
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like sonic abstraction.
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At this moment, we're a long way,
a long way from the madness of Zoo TV,
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we're a long way from taking
that television station around the world.
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Picture, picture.
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At this moment...
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...I couldn't imagine
what we were gonna become.
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Edge, it's brilliant.
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Great. And then, when I'm singing,
slap it with the back of your hand.
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We're much closer now.
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The '80s, I think they suffered a lot
from my own intensity.
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So, our rehearsals were, a lot of the time,
me shouting at people.
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Well, shouting over the
fucking racket they were making!
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And then shouting to achieve
some kind of direction,
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and I don't know
how they put up with that.
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Edge, Edge...
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...when the singing starts,
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try to create a dynamic
by almost getting really quiet -
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make it a dynamic.
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Very hard to do.
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OK, hold on.
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It's because you're in full flight -
if I stop, it'll just sound bad.
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- No, it'll be great if you stop.
- OK.
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So, a big, wild feedback thing.
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OK, keep going.
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Bono is the same now
as he was back then.
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I mean, he's just one big idea.
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The moment I met him, he had the ball
and he was running with it,
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and this was his opportunity.
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Look at where this could go
with a guy like that.
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You know, having that guy out front,
having that guy as your singer -
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anything is possible.
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You wanna do this, we can do this,
here's the plan -
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it was hard not to be taken by it,
intoxicated by it,
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and just going,
"Wow, this is something."
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After we'd left school,
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there was this period
where Edge went to a technical college,
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Larry got a job,
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Bono almost got into college,
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and I wasn't doing anything.
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OK, here goes.
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OK, the band could just fall apart.
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Slowly, everyone kind of
came back together again,
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and said, we've tried this
going to college thing
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and this going to work thing,
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and we don't really wanna do that,
we wanna be in the band.
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Adam was the oldest, wisest
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and with his posh
plummy British accent.
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Edge was fairly reflective, even then,
and kinda studious,
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Larry was a real life-force.
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He laughed a lot,
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but then he'd have moments of panic,
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where he'd go, "What am I doing
hanging out with you guys?"
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I was a bit of a brat,
but I'd had enough trauma at home,
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I was too raw
to be a total pain in the arse...
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...but I had a lot of front.
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In fact, that's all I had.
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I managed to break through
the self-consciousness.
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I got almost violent,
hitting notes I couldn't sing.
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I always knew
that I had these melodies in my head.
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I knew them when I was eight,
when I was ten,
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but I had no ability to express them.
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One of my earliest memories
was in my granny's house -
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they had a piano.
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I couldn't see the keyboard
but I could make a sound.
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When I hit one of those notes,
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my instinct was to find another note
that felt good with it.
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And I even then
discovered the power of reverb.
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I remember sticking my foot
on the pedal of the piano,
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and how this tiny living room
would become a cathedral.
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When I found my voice,
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it was like I'd been walking
with a limp.
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lt was the first time
I walked up straight.
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Rock and roll,
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joining this band,
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was emancipation.
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lt was liberation.
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And I just knew this feeling
was the greatest feeling I could have.
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The clan sees itself as distinct
from everybody else around,
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and sees itself
as bound by some ties of loyalty.
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Sounded great.
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Yeah?
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Yeah, fantastic.
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Maybe a bit more passion
this time, Bono.
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- Yeah, it was a bit restrained actually.
- Yeah.
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Maybe you could try standing
for this one.
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The only direction
I might offer you is that
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the first chorus might be
a little more restrained than the others.
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But, um... I wouldn't like to inhibit
what you're doing.
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All the British rock and roll people,
even the punk rock people,
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Joe Strummer and Paul Simonon,
they're all Art School.
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John Lennon - Art School.
Eric Clapton - Art School.
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Jimmy Page - Art School.
They're all Art School.
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Brian Eno was our Art School.
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lt is like painting.
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You're putting sounds together.
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You're adding things,
taking them off the next day.
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Suddenly the act of making music
is spread over months,
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rather than a single performance.
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Play your bit.
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I think they always know
that it's difficult,
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and if it isn't difficult,
they don't trust it.
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Yeah, that's right.
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Every record they've ever made has gone
right down to the very last second.
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That's the thing. I would just like to know
that we have got a good take,
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even if there are
one or two things to repair.
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And then we can go on with some
sense of, less sense of desperation,
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into doing some other takes.
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What do you think, Bono,
do you wanna try a few lines on this?
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Erm, I'll do some scat singing
if that's any help to you.
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When Bono goes off
and does a vocal,
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and you think you've heard
a whole set of lyrics,
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you think, "Wow,
I was really touched by that lyric".
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Then you listen later and say, "Wait
a minute, he's fudging half the words."
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Bono's singing,
and he's just channelling.
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He's trying to get to the vocabulary
of the melody in sound.
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Anything there?
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We get the music
and then the melody,
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and then we try to let the words express
the feeling that's in the song,
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cos there's a feeling
in every piece of music.
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It's an odd way to live your life,
as a composer,
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building your house
from the sky down.
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Sometimes I think I'm cleverer
than what I've just...
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than the expression
that's just come out.
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It's not a place for a vain man to be -
you know, intellectually vain.
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I find myself listening
on little tape machines
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to me singing gobbledegook -
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it's like a child, it's like I'm speaking
Japanese or Italian or something.
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Bonolese is like a language
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It's just a made-up language.
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I hear then a word,
I hear then a thought,
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and I have to scribble it down.
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We always had a mic ready
when Bono came into the room.
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He'd hear something and say,
"Oh", and he'd start singing,
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and if you didn't catch it,
it was gone.
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He didn't repeat things.
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Or, if he did,
he didn't repeat them
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with that same oddness
that the first moment would have.
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What's the chorus chords again?
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So, A to...
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A... D...
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We'd spent the '80s
throwing stones at other people.
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Now we've started throwing the stones
at ourself.
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Wow!
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ls this what you would do?
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Yeah.
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- Pretty much.
- What's different?
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The only difference is we didn't,
we have songs now -
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back then
we didn't really have songs.
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Well, the mid '80s
we started to tour in America.
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lt wasn't a thing of having been prepared,
groomed, made ready for it,
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it was like suddenly, boom,
you were there.
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Being 22 or 23
and you have a bit of success,
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it's gonna be tricky for anybody.
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If you come from Dublin,
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and not only do you come from Dublin,
you're still in Dublin,
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it's gonna make you
a little self-conscious.
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I met them in '82. I was working for
a magazine in England
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called the New Musical Express.
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They asked me to go to New Orleans
to shoot U2.
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I'd never heard of U2.
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There was certainly
a house photographic style,
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we used to jokingly refer to it.
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Since most of the photographs
during that time were taken by Anton,
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there was a certain amount of collusion.
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That was the way the band wished
to present themselves.
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The work was always serious
and for me that was the same.
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My photography,
if you look at my books,
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is never about
the lighter moments.
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We hated photo shoots.
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Make sure you get
some sun on your faces.
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If you all come a bit forward...
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We started to be those
kind of earnest po-faced men.
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I went out one night with Bono
and I said,
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"There's a tree here which I really love,
it's called the Joshua Tree
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"lt would be a brilliant idea
to have that on the front
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"and the band would be on the back,
like a continuation."
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He's Dutch
and he can't say 'Joshua'.
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He would say 'Yoshua'.
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So we really go off on getting him
to say Yoshua Tree Park.
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The Joshua Tree sleeve
is my favourite sleeve.
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Their faces were sculptured in stone.
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We always felt that the photographs
should look like the material.
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Anton was not photographing us,
he was photographing our songs,
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and the environment of the songs.
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So, those pictures of us
as stoic Irishmen,
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pilgrims, in the desert -
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people would say when they meet you,
you're not the same person.
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This is a very dangerous place to be,
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when your public image is so different
from your private reality.
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And the winner is...
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...The Joshua Tree, U2.
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We'd arrived.
Suddenly, this was our defining moment.
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I'd like to thank Jack Healey and
Amnesty International for all their work,
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Desmond Tutu for his courage...
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lt was a very mad time.
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We were guys in our mid 20s
having this amazing experience
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Nothing could've prepared you for that
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...John the Baptist, George Best,
Gregory Peck, Batman and Robin,
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sumo wrestlers throughout the world,
and of course, Ronald Reagan.
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They wanna put us on the cover
of Time Magazine.
253
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Um, it's a comedy.
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It's a comedy about the tour.
255
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lt was a great idea.
256
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lt was a really good idea.
257
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Make a small film about the band.
258
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And everyone went,
"Yippee, this is a great idea."
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The next thing it's like,
"We're going to invest
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"all the money we made from
The Joshua Tree into this thing,
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"Paramount are going to take it
262
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"and it's going to go to cinemas
all over the place."
263
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I encouraged the idea of a movie.
264
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Remember that
in the course of the tour,
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we went from being an arena band
to being a stadium band,
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and had to learn how to do that
kind of on the run.
267
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This was in the days
before video reinforcement.
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lt was hell.
269
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lt was literally just us in a stadium.
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We were so out of our depth
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and not quite proficient enough
to be consistent.
272
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lt was a rollercoaster ride.
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There was a white knuckle aspect
to just holding on.
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We didn't have enough material
to do a stadium show.
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Bono felt particularly vulnerable -
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he's out there,
sticking his ass out the window,
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and he expects
the band are gonna be there.
278
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Every night we would come off the stage,
we would debrief ourselves,
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and we would have this over-riding feeling
of doom and gloom,
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that we just weren't good enough.
281
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You couldn't just rely on making it up
on the night.
282
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Shit happens.
283
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The drum kit would move forward.
284
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The sound I'd have on stage
wouldn't work.
285
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I can't live with this.
286
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Edge would break a guitar string
287
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and it would happen
every night for a week.
288
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For him, he became just wild -
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pent up rage, anger, I mean,
the whole gamut of emotions,
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so, and you really didn't know
what you were going to get -
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it was very intense.
292
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lt was particularly difficult for Bono,
293
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because he had to really work as a
physical performer to sell those songs.
294
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Having to steel ourselves almost
295
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to deal with the position
we found ourselves in,
296
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and we'd become overly earnest,
overly intense, overly protective.
297
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In the course of that tour,
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they became fascinated,
if you like, by America
299
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That's my wife.
300
00:28:29,541 --> 00:28:31,709
The reason for making
Rattle And Hum
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was actually to prove something
to ourselves and to our audience.
302
00:28:39,509 --> 00:28:45,931
lt was an experiment in drawing from
the American roots music canon.
303
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I want to learn the blues
from you today.
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Have I come to the right place?
305
00:28:56,901 --> 00:28:59,737
The idea behind Rattle And Hum was,
wouldn't it be interesting
306
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if we went on this journey
to discover American music,
307
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because we had no background in it.
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Let people see us as fans.
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Just because something was new for us,
doesn't mean it's new for the listener.
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People knew all about BB King,
311
00:29:21,926 --> 00:29:25,554
they knew all about the blues,
they knew all about country music.
312
00:29:26,598 --> 00:29:28,766
lt looked to people
like we were going,
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"Let's introduce you
to your music."
314
00:29:32,896 --> 00:29:34,897
That's such a shame, really.
315
00:29:38,610 --> 00:29:41,904
We had unbelievable amounts
of laughs,
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except when you put
the camera on.
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Then we just were like... Woosh!
lt was gone.
318
00:29:48,995 --> 00:29:53,332
He went through miles and miles
and miles of takes,
319
00:29:53,458 --> 00:29:55,083
and there's no joy in it.
320
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,295
What's the deal with the camera, Phil?
321
00:29:58,421 --> 00:30:00,881
Do we just pretend it's not there,
or get on with it?
322
00:30:01,007 --> 00:30:02,800
No, you can do what you want.
323
00:30:02,926 --> 00:30:06,386
Yeah, this is just like whatever we...
it's for fun.
324
00:30:06,513 --> 00:30:09,973
So, you know, man,
if you want to talk...
325
00:30:10,099 --> 00:30:11,892
It's fun for him, guys.
326
00:30:12,018 --> 00:30:15,729
I know, I know.
The good thing is, it's your camera.
327
00:30:16,439 --> 00:30:21,985
As post production started,
they involved themselves in the cut,
328
00:30:22,111 --> 00:30:26,448
and got to choose which way
they really wanted to be seen.
329
00:30:32,497 --> 00:30:36,500
The film is entirely shot in America,
showing U2 in America, why is that?
330
00:30:36,626 --> 00:30:38,502
Why is that?
331
00:30:39,420 --> 00:30:44,174
We let people see
the sort of naivete.
332
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And what came out the other end
333
00:30:46,928 --> 00:30:50,180
was a slew of reviews saying
334
00:30:50,306 --> 00:30:53,141
these people
are fucking megalomaniacs.
335
00:30:53,893 --> 00:30:58,188
Backstage footage shows the band being
deliberately inarticulate in interviews
336
00:30:58,314 --> 00:31:00,357
and pretending that's cute.
337
00:31:00,483 --> 00:31:03,485
But it's not cute to giggle
and pretend you have nothing to say.
338
00:31:16,499 --> 00:31:19,084
Everyone was kind of
a little shell-shocked.
339
00:31:24,007 --> 00:31:29,011
You start to believe...
what people are saying about you.
340
00:31:29,804 --> 00:31:33,724
You start to think,
maybe this is the end.
341
00:31:35,894 --> 00:31:40,439
I was sitting with Ali, she said,
"You've gotten so serious.
342
00:31:41,608 --> 00:31:43,150
"You've gotten so serious.
343
00:31:43,276 --> 00:31:46,987
"The boy I fell in love with
was so full of mischief,
344
00:31:47,113 --> 00:31:49,823
"so full of madness.
345
00:31:50,783 --> 00:31:52,492
"You were a much more
experimental character -
346
00:31:52,619 --> 00:31:54,161
"what's happened to you?"
347
00:31:55,163 --> 00:31:58,415
A group is a sort of
collective ego in a sense.
348
00:31:58,541 --> 00:32:02,419
And that ego is very easily offended.
349
00:32:02,545 --> 00:32:04,588
We found out
that he had left the group
350
00:32:04,714 --> 00:32:07,674
when we got copies of the letter
from the record companies.
351
00:32:15,099 --> 00:32:19,937
Of course, popularity is a great ruiner
of friendships in a way.
352
00:32:20,063 --> 00:32:21,939
That makes me feel like sad,
you know?
353
00:32:22,065 --> 00:32:24,107
That's like somebody
taking you out to dinner
354
00:32:24,233 --> 00:32:25,525
and you think
you had a great time
355
00:32:25,652 --> 00:32:26,944
and at the end of the night
they go,
356
00:32:27,070 --> 00:32:29,029
"Hey, you know what?
I had a really lousy time.
357
00:32:29,155 --> 00:32:32,199
"And you know what?
You're lousy too! But thanks for dinner."
358
00:32:43,670 --> 00:32:45,462
It's to do with personalities,
you know what I mean?
359
00:32:45,588 --> 00:32:48,882
I didn't split. I didn't do a walk,
Noel did, so ask him.
360
00:32:49,008 --> 00:32:50,342
Apparently
I was a nightmare to work with.
361
00:32:50,468 --> 00:32:53,512
I had to have my own dressing rooms
and stuff. I don't think so, mate!
362
00:33:22,166 --> 00:33:23,625
Well, I'm going home!
363
00:33:32,969 --> 00:33:35,846
This... I was explaining to people
the other night,
364
00:33:35,972 --> 00:33:38,265
but I might've got it a bit wrong.
365
00:33:38,391 --> 00:33:42,185
This is the end of something
for U2 -
366
00:33:42,311 --> 00:33:44,312
that's why we're playing
these concerts.
367
00:33:44,439 --> 00:33:46,481
We were physically exhausted,
368
00:33:46,607 --> 00:33:49,568
and creatively felt
we'd run out of steam.
369
00:33:49,694 --> 00:33:52,654
It's no big deal,
it's just we have to go away...
370
00:33:55,450 --> 00:33:57,784
...and just dream it all up again.
371
00:34:07,670 --> 00:34:08,795
Stop it!
372
00:34:09,505 --> 00:34:11,590
Hang on,
wait until I put me hat on.
373
00:34:11,716 --> 00:34:13,050
Anyway, we are going...
374
00:34:13,176 --> 00:34:17,512
going very shortly
to The Point Depot in Dublin,
375
00:34:17,638 --> 00:34:18,805
where U2 are playing.
376
00:34:29,650 --> 00:34:31,777
This didn't become us,
377
00:34:31,903 --> 00:34:35,614
this kind of band we had become.
378
00:34:37,533 --> 00:34:42,704
We looked like a big overblown
rock band running amok.
379
00:34:45,541 --> 00:34:49,795
The Irish sons
returning home triumphant.
380
00:34:51,380 --> 00:34:53,882
Irish people go, "Who?"
381
00:34:54,717 --> 00:34:57,385
First of all
they look like some American band.
382
00:34:57,512 --> 00:35:00,680
And not just American,
but like some American show band.
383
00:35:02,642 --> 00:35:06,728
You left here as an interesting
post punk phenomenon...
384
00:35:08,648 --> 00:35:12,526
...you go to America, fine,
we'll run with you on The Joshua Tree,
385
00:35:13,236 --> 00:35:16,571
but now you've actually become this,
you've come back,
386
00:35:16,697 --> 00:35:19,491
and by the way,
you're not very good at it.
387
00:35:21,494 --> 00:35:25,080
When we were kids, 1 6/1 7 years old,
388
00:35:25,206 --> 00:35:27,791
going to see The Clash in Dublin,
389
00:35:30,962 --> 00:35:32,963
this was the enemy.
390
00:35:34,423 --> 00:35:36,758
Have we become the enemy?
391
00:35:40,263 --> 00:35:44,141
We hadn't committed any great crimes
against humanity or art -
392
00:35:44,267 --> 00:35:49,271
all we'd done was been
a little self-conscious and overblown.
393
00:35:55,444 --> 00:35:59,447
I'd like to thank Edge
and Adam and Larry
394
00:35:59,574 --> 00:36:01,491
for letting me be in their band.
395
00:36:03,578 --> 00:36:07,497
They started out, as do most bands,
by saying we don't want to be that,
396
00:36:07,623 --> 00:36:09,541
and we don't want to be that
and we don't want to be that,
397
00:36:09,667 --> 00:36:13,837
and then they carried on by saying
we don't want to be what we were either.
398
00:36:15,590 --> 00:36:19,342
As an artist, your biggest enemy
is your own history, actually.
399
00:36:20,803 --> 00:36:25,265
Couldn't make corrective adjustments
to put it right -
400
00:36:25,391 --> 00:36:28,226
the limb had to come off, you know.
401
00:36:28,352 --> 00:36:33,607
Let's get a big fucking chainsaw
and cut down the Joshua Tree.
402
00:36:34,609 --> 00:36:38,320
Great, good, thank God for that.
403
00:36:38,446 --> 00:36:41,615
So, now, let's go and figure it out.
404
00:36:42,617 --> 00:36:45,827
However,
that was the end of the conversation.
405
00:36:46,454 --> 00:36:49,289
Bono made that statement, that was it.
406
00:36:49,415 --> 00:36:55,420
Next time we met, I think, was
not long before we turned up in Berlin.
407
00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:26,534
We were running away from Lovetown
and Rattle And Hum as fast as we could.
408
00:37:26,994 --> 00:37:30,330
I was listening to bands like KMFCM,
409
00:37:30,456 --> 00:37:34,334
Einsturzende Neubauten,
the Young Gods.
410
00:37:38,547 --> 00:37:41,466
Machine age music is really what it is.
411
00:37:41,592 --> 00:37:44,594
It's about the use of repetition,
412
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:49,766
and taking the humanity out of things,
to a degree,
413
00:37:49,892 --> 00:37:54,062
so that the humanity
that you put in there means more.
414
00:37:57,984 --> 00:38:02,279
Something about
that new decade, the '90s,
415
00:38:02,405 --> 00:38:05,282
something about
the fall of the Berlin Wall,
416
00:38:05,408 --> 00:38:10,412
a new Europe emerging,
that's what we were focussing on.
417
00:38:26,512 --> 00:38:30,932
There was a lot of experimental
avant garde kind of music,
418
00:38:31,058 --> 00:38:33,935
that was coming out of Berlin
and coming out of Germany.
419
00:38:34,603 --> 00:38:36,896
Berlin was all about texture.
420
00:38:38,107 --> 00:38:40,650
Manchester was about rhythm -
421
00:38:40,776 --> 00:38:45,280
rhythm that could only be created
using computers and machines.
422
00:38:45,406 --> 00:38:47,949
I mean, the kids in Manchester
don't know about that -
423
00:38:48,075 --> 00:38:52,787
they just instinctively know that
that stuff is uncool,
424
00:38:52,913 --> 00:38:54,372
this is a cool direction.
425
00:38:58,294 --> 00:39:01,838
lt was at that moment when
rock and roll and club culture
426
00:39:01,964 --> 00:39:03,631
had sort of come together -
427
00:39:04,633 --> 00:39:07,594
records being made for dancing.
428
00:39:09,472 --> 00:39:12,390
You could really trace it back
to German theory,
429
00:39:12,516 --> 00:39:15,685
Stockhausen and these ideas about
430
00:39:15,811 --> 00:39:18,688
what modern composition
should be about.
431
00:39:18,814 --> 00:39:22,942
German music had a huge impact on us,
from Kraftwerk.
432
00:39:23,069 --> 00:39:28,073
When I was 1 6, one of the first records
I bought for Ali was Man Machine,
433
00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:29,616
for her 1 5th birthday.
434
00:39:37,917 --> 00:39:41,044
This is soul music from Europe.
435
00:39:41,170 --> 00:39:43,755
This is the invention of electronic music.
436
00:39:43,881 --> 00:39:46,424
And they had a big influence
on Joy Division,
437
00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:48,051
which had a big influence on us.
438
00:39:48,177 --> 00:39:51,763
lt was just an education in rhythm
going on that you couldn't ignore.
439
00:39:53,224 --> 00:39:54,891
How were we gonna absorb that,
440
00:39:55,017 --> 00:39:57,519
and allow it to just make us better?
441
00:39:59,897 --> 00:40:06,569
After the New Year's Eve gig,
there wasn't a lot of communication.
442
00:40:06,695 --> 00:40:09,155
Bono and Edge took themselves off,
443
00:40:09,281 --> 00:40:16,871
and decided to try and find a new way
of writing and developing ideas.
444
00:40:17,623 --> 00:40:20,417
There was a little bit of abandonment,
445
00:40:20,543 --> 00:40:27,924
and a lot of that abandonment, for me,
I spent in not good places.
446
00:40:28,801 --> 00:40:33,680
I took some drum lessons and listened
to music I hadn't listened to before.
447
00:40:33,806 --> 00:40:37,016
Cream, and Ginger Baker
and stuff like that.
448
00:40:38,144 --> 00:40:46,192
You have to reject one expression
of the band... first,
449
00:40:46,318 --> 00:40:48,445
before you get to the next expression,
450
00:40:48,571 --> 00:40:51,239
and in between you have nothing.
451
00:40:53,242 --> 00:40:55,952
You have to risk it all.
452
00:41:00,749 --> 00:41:04,002
The height of technology
was the DAT player.
453
00:41:09,675 --> 00:41:12,469
So I rang Bono and said, "I've got
this idea. See what you think."
454
00:41:12,595 --> 00:41:16,431
He came in and he heard it and said,
"I think it's good. Let's try it."
455
00:41:16,557 --> 00:41:18,933
So we recorded a few takes.
456
00:41:19,602 --> 00:41:20,810
Yeah, all right.
457
00:41:20,936 --> 00:41:23,188
C'mon now and give me
that chocolate mousse.
458
00:41:23,314 --> 00:41:25,607
- Ready.
- So high...
459
00:41:28,652 --> 00:41:30,069
Bass guitar.
460
00:41:30,654 --> 00:41:33,198
All right, Reggie. Give me
that chocolate mousse.
461
00:41:34,074 --> 00:41:35,116
Thank you.
462
00:41:37,661 --> 00:41:39,579
A rhyme.
463
00:41:46,837 --> 00:41:49,297
Oh, it's the bass part
from Mysterious Ways.
464
00:41:54,803 --> 00:41:56,304
It's like trying on
a new leather jacket.
465
00:41:56,430 --> 00:41:58,515
You're just like...
466
00:41:58,641 --> 00:42:00,808
"Yeah, this can work, like. OK.
467
00:42:01,352 --> 00:42:03,853
"Make a few adjustments.
Yeah, it's sort of...
468
00:42:03,979 --> 00:42:06,022
"ls it me? Yeah, it's kinda me."
469
00:42:06,148 --> 00:42:10,193
You can hear like
Bono's trying to find himself in this.
470
00:42:10,319 --> 00:42:11,736
If you had that kind of genius
471
00:42:11,862 --> 00:42:14,531
that you could just sit on the groove,
472
00:42:14,657 --> 00:42:16,908
it's actually a great groove.
473
00:42:17,034 --> 00:42:19,619
It's just...
There's just no song there.
474
00:42:20,162 --> 00:42:22,539
This is not Larry.
This is the drum machine,
475
00:42:22,665 --> 00:42:25,041
so it's got no personality.
476
00:42:25,167 --> 00:42:27,085
It's just...
477
00:42:27,753 --> 00:42:29,379
It's not all right, in fact.
478
00:42:33,634 --> 00:42:35,927
In Dublin,
I had a little studio in the house.
479
00:42:37,346 --> 00:42:39,097
The two of us worked together,
480
00:42:39,223 --> 00:42:42,976
just going through
possible melodic ideas.
481
00:42:43,102 --> 00:42:45,687
lt just didn't... go anywhere.
482
00:42:51,068 --> 00:42:54,571
The idea of going away
to a remote location,
483
00:42:54,697 --> 00:42:59,284
and recording away from home,
was kind of already in the air,
484
00:42:59,410 --> 00:43:02,620
and I think Hansa must have been
the number one candidate.
485
00:43:02,746 --> 00:43:05,915
lt was, I think,
the feeling of being somewhere where
486
00:43:06,041 --> 00:43:08,251
there was a culture collision going on.
487
00:43:11,672 --> 00:43:15,008
There was a tension.
Just a natural tension there.
488
00:43:15,134 --> 00:43:16,926
If drama is conflicts,
489
00:43:17,052 --> 00:43:19,429
you're going to end up
in these kinds of places.
490
00:43:24,018 --> 00:43:25,268
Hansa?
491
00:43:25,394 --> 00:43:30,398
Yeah, it's a great rock and roll room -
a lot of good records were made there.
492
00:43:36,864 --> 00:43:39,115
We'd heard about it from Brian Eno.
493
00:43:39,241 --> 00:43:42,201
He'd been here
with David Bowie, obviously.
494
00:43:42,328 --> 00:43:47,665
The engineer that we got very close to
and was also a co-producer, Flood,
495
00:43:47,791 --> 00:43:50,126
had worked in Berlin before.
496
00:43:50,252 --> 00:43:54,464
From about '84/'83
there were a variety of different artists.
497
00:43:54,590 --> 00:43:57,008
Bono said,
"We want to go to Hansa."
498
00:43:57,134 --> 00:44:00,762
"We want to soak up that atmosphere."
lt was like, "OK, brilliant."
499
00:44:03,724 --> 00:44:07,226
You took Iggy Pop to Berlin
to make his records.
500
00:44:07,353 --> 00:44:12,315
I think it's a very good therapeutic city
for an artist to go to,
501
00:44:12,441 --> 00:44:15,985
to come back to,
not the punk street level,
502
00:44:16,111 --> 00:44:17,654
but a real street level,
503
00:44:17,780 --> 00:44:19,530
where you have to do things
for yourself,
504
00:44:19,657 --> 00:44:21,491
where nobody
will take any notice of you.
505
00:44:21,617 --> 00:44:23,242
I was totally anonymous in Berlin.
506
00:44:23,369 --> 00:44:26,287
Suddenly you're creating
a kind of crucible -
507
00:44:26,413 --> 00:44:30,124
it's like a focussed capsule,
where it's just the group of you.
508
00:44:30,250 --> 00:44:33,503
Eno was always a bit frustrated
509
00:44:33,629 --> 00:44:37,256
by the domesticity
of the rock band, if you like.
510
00:44:37,383 --> 00:44:41,010
lt makes sense to break away
for a little while
511
00:44:41,136 --> 00:44:44,180
and let the thing go
kind of out of control.
512
00:44:44,306 --> 00:44:46,849
We just felt we wanted to get away
to a place
513
00:44:46,975 --> 00:44:49,686
where we were much more focussed
on making the record.
514
00:44:49,812 --> 00:44:54,023
We didn't have to, you know,
deal with all the other paraphernalia
515
00:44:54,149 --> 00:44:55,525
that surrounds us in Dublin.
516
00:44:55,651 --> 00:44:59,904
Plumbers to talk to
and interior decorators.
517
00:45:00,030 --> 00:45:02,740
Interior decorators
are the death of recording, actually.
518
00:45:08,038 --> 00:45:10,373
The idea was to do something
519
00:45:10,499 --> 00:45:13,418
that had its roots
partly in club culture...
520
00:45:13,544 --> 00:45:15,128
something very rhythmic.
521
00:45:15,254 --> 00:45:18,214
So, we started out
by using a drum machine in Dublin,
522
00:45:18,340 --> 00:45:24,554
programming this very intricate
polyrhythmic beat with a lot of swing -
523
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,057
a place that U2
would never go to normally.
524
00:45:30,352 --> 00:45:34,731
We were trying to find our way
into dance,
525
00:45:34,857 --> 00:45:38,401
a kind of groove music,
that wasn't cliched.
526
00:45:38,527 --> 00:45:44,282
We were very much reacting to
that shift away from Americana.
527
00:45:45,409 --> 00:45:48,578
Behind the workings
of all of those songs,
528
00:45:48,704 --> 00:45:54,959
was this awareness of the rhythmic
sophistication had to kind of come up.
529
00:46:01,383 --> 00:46:06,262
So we were the last flight in
to the old divided Berlin.
530
00:46:06,388 --> 00:46:09,432
lt was British Airways'
last one in the sky.
531
00:46:09,558 --> 00:46:13,394
Therefore,
the pilot could just circle Berlin.
532
00:46:14,271 --> 00:46:16,481
And he had a very plummy accent...
533
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,277
"We are just going down
over the Brandenburg Gate.
534
00:46:21,403 --> 00:46:23,613
"As you know, we have the skies
to ourselves tonight,
535
00:46:23,739 --> 00:46:25,823
"and we're just going to take
a little tour over here.
536
00:46:25,949 --> 00:46:27,742
"This is the wall."
And we're like...
537
00:46:31,079 --> 00:46:34,123
And there was a little bit of 'bombs away'
about it, no doubt about it.
538
00:46:34,249 --> 00:46:37,210
More than a million Germans are out
on the streets of Berlin tonight...
539
00:46:39,171 --> 00:46:41,464
...celebrating the birth
of a united Germany
540
00:46:41,590 --> 00:46:44,091
in what is once again its official capital.
541
00:46:44,218 --> 00:46:46,344
We went looking
for the celebrations,
542
00:46:46,470 --> 00:46:49,472
because we're Irish
and we like to go out.
543
00:46:49,598 --> 00:46:54,101
And we ended up
at a huge mass rally.
544
00:46:54,853 --> 00:46:59,816
But people didn't really look like
they were having a very good time.
545
00:46:59,942 --> 00:47:03,110
lt was like grim. Very grim.
546
00:47:03,779 --> 00:47:09,575
until we discovered that we weren't at
the celebration for the wall coming down,
547
00:47:09,701 --> 00:47:13,788
we were at a protest meeting
to put the wall back up.
548
00:47:14,414 --> 00:47:15,498
I can't recall this exact spot,
549
00:47:15,624 --> 00:47:19,585
but I can recall it was behind
the houses that I'm looking at now.
550
00:47:20,420 --> 00:47:25,049
The wall was here, somewhere.
The wall was here, I think.
551
00:47:25,175 --> 00:47:27,677
And you had Hansa Studios,
then a lot of waste land
552
00:47:27,803 --> 00:47:30,513
because nobody built near the wall.
553
00:47:30,639 --> 00:47:32,974
lt was just, you know, visually...
554
00:47:33,976 --> 00:47:35,852
lt was really interesting.
555
00:47:35,978 --> 00:47:39,188
It's hard to beat a good wall
as a background for photographs,
556
00:47:39,314 --> 00:47:43,067
so I was always
a very happy person here.
557
00:47:54,955 --> 00:47:59,166
We ended up in this hotel
called the Palace Hotel,
558
00:48:00,210 --> 00:48:02,712
which was a festival of brown,
559
00:48:02,838 --> 00:48:06,215
meaning everything
in the fucking hotel was brown.
560
00:48:06,341 --> 00:48:09,176
Brown carpet,
brown...
561
00:48:09,303 --> 00:48:12,555
I mean, East Berlin was brown -
brown knobs on the stereo,
562
00:48:12,681 --> 00:48:14,473
brown, brown!
563
00:48:15,851 --> 00:48:20,688
I was looking at a beautiful cathedral
that was nice, from the brown room,
564
00:48:20,814 --> 00:48:22,106
in the brown hotel.
565
00:48:23,025 --> 00:48:26,235
Every morning,
we'd drive into the studio,
566
00:48:26,361 --> 00:48:29,572
and there'd be a new burnt-out Trabbi
on the side of the road.
567
00:48:30,198 --> 00:48:33,910
This car had just made it from some
obscure part of East Germany,
568
00:48:34,036 --> 00:48:36,454
and he just had to leave it
on the side of the road.
569
00:48:43,128 --> 00:48:46,297
These were cars that people were driving
from the east side.
570
00:48:46,423 --> 00:48:48,382
They were made from papier-mache,
571
00:48:48,508 --> 00:48:50,051
they had two stroke engines
in them.
572
00:49:17,412 --> 00:49:22,333
Potsdamer Platz,
the centre of the old Berlin,
573
00:49:22,459 --> 00:49:25,127
has got a wall
built right through the middle of it.
574
00:49:26,171 --> 00:49:29,090
There's a load of gypsies living there.
575
00:49:29,216 --> 00:49:32,969
Crusty people,
beautiful souls, I'm sure.
576
00:49:33,095 --> 00:49:35,179
In the great hippie tradition
of that city,
577
00:49:35,305 --> 00:49:37,974
they'd been given rights
to live there.
578
00:49:38,100 --> 00:49:39,475
When the wall was knocked down,
579
00:49:39,601 --> 00:49:44,271
they owned the most prime real estate
in Germany.
580
00:49:45,941 --> 00:49:47,775
Then there was Hansa Studios.
581
00:50:04,793 --> 00:50:08,462
We're coming here
believing in improvisation.
582
00:50:10,632 --> 00:50:14,635
We started out doing the same thing
that we'd always done,
583
00:50:14,761 --> 00:50:18,139
which was look for the magic moments
when we played together.
584
00:50:19,641 --> 00:50:25,730
So it allows the four of us
to be in the song writing process.
585
00:50:26,648 --> 00:50:28,024
Even before we went there,
586
00:50:28,150 --> 00:50:31,318
there was a sense
of something not quite right...
587
00:50:32,612 --> 00:50:34,071
...and then when we got there,
588
00:50:34,197 --> 00:50:36,991
we were on
completely different pages.
589
00:50:37,659 --> 00:50:39,410
We would go into the room
590
00:50:39,536 --> 00:50:42,621
and we would just bash it out,
hour after hour.
591
00:50:42,748 --> 00:50:46,083
Listen back and not like anything
that we were doing.
592
00:50:46,918 --> 00:50:48,544
This is unexpected.
593
00:50:48,670 --> 00:50:52,715
We've got these great ideas,
sounded great in Dublin,
594
00:50:52,841 --> 00:50:57,136
and now, we've hit Berlin
and, what's wrong here?
595
00:51:36,051 --> 00:51:38,928
His marriage is breaking up.
596
00:51:39,054 --> 00:51:40,638
lt has broken up.
597
00:51:41,473 --> 00:51:44,308
We're a really tight community.
598
00:51:44,434 --> 00:51:47,728
This is not like
somebody's girlfriend's left,
599
00:51:47,854 --> 00:51:48,979
we've grown up with these people -
600
00:51:49,106 --> 00:51:51,899
this is our family, our community.
601
00:51:53,235 --> 00:51:55,152
This was really hard for us,
602
00:51:55,278 --> 00:51:57,571
and very difficult for my wife.
603
00:51:58,740 --> 00:52:05,079
lt was like the first cracks
on the beautiful porcelain jug,
604
00:52:05,205 --> 00:52:06,747
with those beautiful flowers in it,
605
00:52:06,873 --> 00:52:10,584
that was our music and our community
starting to go.
606
00:52:19,928 --> 00:52:24,306
Leaving Dublin for Berlin was actually
in a weird way was a distraction,
607
00:52:24,432 --> 00:52:25,975
a way to escape.
608
00:52:33,191 --> 00:52:36,277
I was disappearing into the music
for a different reason, you know.
609
00:52:36,403 --> 00:52:38,612
lt was a refuge in a way.
610
00:52:53,378 --> 00:52:56,213
That approach didn't completely work,
you know.
611
00:52:56,339 --> 00:53:00,634
I wasn't really
in a good positive head space.
612
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,679
I was...
I was running away, I suppose.
613
00:53:06,474 --> 00:53:07,892
I remember being in the studio
614
00:53:08,018 --> 00:53:11,562
playing a guitar solo over
Love ls Blindness.
615
00:53:12,856 --> 00:53:15,024
I've put everything into it.
616
00:53:15,150 --> 00:53:17,818
All the feeling,
all the hurt, all the angst -
617
00:53:17,944 --> 00:53:19,778
everything went into that solo.
618
00:53:20,780 --> 00:53:22,990
I put down the guitar,
went into the control room
619
00:53:23,116 --> 00:53:25,993
listened back,
and it was really bad.
620
00:53:27,662 --> 00:53:29,205
And Danny looked at me,
621
00:53:29,331 --> 00:53:31,540
of course he had no idea
what had gone into that
622
00:53:32,500 --> 00:53:35,169
...and he said,
"Nah. That's not it, is it, Edge?"
623
00:53:35,295 --> 00:53:37,463
And I went,
"Danny, you're right, it's not it."
624
00:53:49,976 --> 00:53:55,481
Ever since we were kids,
Edge tunes up at high volume,
625
00:53:55,607 --> 00:53:57,566
and he doesn't know that he's doing it.
626
00:53:57,692 --> 00:54:02,071
And based on the day he's having,
and his emotional life,
627
00:54:02,197 --> 00:54:05,199
he tunes up more or less.
628
00:54:05,325 --> 00:54:11,288
So, when he's going through bad times,
dang, dadang, dadang!
629
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,751
So, it's like being hit by an iron bar
on the back of your head,
630
00:54:15,877 --> 00:54:17,962
just going through rehearsals.
631
00:54:18,088 --> 00:54:19,922
And Larry's sitting there,
he can't even move anywhere -
632
00:54:20,048 --> 00:54:24,301
he's like, "Edge, would you shut
the fuck up! We're trying to talk here."
633
00:54:24,427 --> 00:54:27,596
And Edge just goes like this,
gadang, gadang, gadang!
634
00:54:31,059 --> 00:54:33,477
We were kind of going down
a lot of blind alleys,
635
00:54:33,603 --> 00:54:35,980
and there was a lot of friction,
there was a lot of tension -
636
00:54:36,106 --> 00:54:38,857
nobody was particularly happy.
637
00:54:40,902 --> 00:54:45,572
And there begins a sort of internal
argument about where we're not going.
638
00:54:46,032 --> 00:54:49,827
There was a lot of grumbling as to why
we were there in the first place,
639
00:54:49,953 --> 00:54:52,121
and nothing was coming out of it.
640
00:54:55,166 --> 00:54:56,583
Within the band, myself and Bono
641
00:54:56,710 --> 00:55:00,504
were probably the ones
pushing hardest to try new things.
642
00:55:01,339 --> 00:55:05,968
Adam was with us,
Larry was probably the most resistant,
643
00:55:06,094 --> 00:55:11,473
and questioning why we were taking
the direction we were taking.
644
00:55:13,476 --> 00:55:21,025
lt was just not really understanding
what Bono and Edge had in mind,
645
00:55:21,151 --> 00:55:23,569
where they were coming from.
646
00:55:23,695 --> 00:55:28,824
I'd no idea that they were exploring,
and particularly Edge,
647
00:55:28,950 --> 00:55:34,496
was exploring a particular kind of rhythmic
and dancing, I had no idea.
648
00:55:35,832 --> 00:55:38,042
There was no us against them, really.
649
00:55:38,168 --> 00:55:40,502
I think...
650
00:55:40,628 --> 00:55:47,176
it was probably... for a moment,
each man for himself,
651
00:55:47,302 --> 00:55:52,264
which is betrayal
of the concept of a band.
652
00:56:02,108 --> 00:56:04,651
People just start to walk a bit differently.
653
00:56:05,487 --> 00:56:08,447
Conversation is a little different.
654
00:56:08,573 --> 00:56:11,867
The way they carry their cup of tea
is different -
655
00:56:11,993 --> 00:56:16,914
there's just a sense of tension,
of a doubt, of...
656
00:56:18,166 --> 00:56:22,127
Everyone sort of retreats somewhat
into their own little corner.
657
00:56:25,340 --> 00:56:30,469
lt was a long, cold existence.
658
00:56:47,862 --> 00:56:51,407
It's fraught with danger,
because you can fail at any moment,
659
00:56:51,533 --> 00:56:53,033
but that's the whole beauty of it.
660
00:56:53,701 --> 00:56:56,870
If you're prepared
to remove the safety net,
661
00:56:56,996 --> 00:57:00,207
and if you're prepared
to really expose yourselves,
662
00:57:00,333 --> 00:57:03,502
because your pursuit is after
the magic moments -
663
00:57:03,628 --> 00:57:08,507
those moments of,
"Wow, I would never have imagined."
664
00:57:10,218 --> 00:57:17,891
What I did was I just started to concentrate
on ways to solve the musical problems,
665
00:57:18,017 --> 00:57:24,189
which is... my main sort of personality trait
is a solver of problems.
666
00:57:25,108 --> 00:57:29,445
We would have
a rough kind of chord structure,
667
00:57:29,571 --> 00:57:31,989
a rough melody,
668
00:57:32,115 --> 00:57:36,076
and we would basically
try and get a drum take.
669
00:57:37,704 --> 00:57:41,790
I was using a lot of loops
and drum machine elements.
670
00:57:41,916 --> 00:57:45,210
So we were trying to mesh
Larry's live playing
671
00:57:45,336 --> 00:57:47,546
with these programmed elements.
672
00:57:48,715 --> 00:57:55,554
I'd never played to a drum machine
that was going to be so present.
673
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:57,514
This was a very new experience,
674
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,476
and I didn't really know what to do.
675
00:58:00,602 --> 00:58:03,145
I didn't know how to give myself to it.
676
00:58:13,781 --> 00:58:16,492
I came in with my offering
of the morning, of,
677
00:58:16,618 --> 00:58:19,161
"How about these ideas
for the chorus?"
678
00:58:19,287 --> 00:58:21,622
I don't know
which version we were working on.
679
00:58:32,634 --> 00:58:34,301
It's starting to come into focus.
680
00:58:38,139 --> 00:58:40,140
A new bridge.
681
00:58:42,602 --> 00:58:46,605
OK, this is the bit that I was saying -
that never made the song.
682
00:58:46,731 --> 00:58:48,899
Well, this is, this is that.
683
00:58:50,235 --> 00:58:51,401
But there was another new bridge.
684
00:59:28,856 --> 00:59:30,899
That's a bit mad.
685
00:59:31,025 --> 00:59:39,199
The verse seemed to offer some kind of
eternal, joyful, upful melody.
686
00:59:43,204 --> 00:59:51,003
Mm, interesting. ls that the first,
the first time that melody...
687
00:59:52,130 --> 00:59:55,757
The first time,
those chords in that melody were tried out.
688
00:59:55,883 --> 00:59:57,884
Didn't that shift into...
689
00:59:58,011 --> 00:59:59,219
One.
690
01:00:05,059 --> 01:00:07,769
I played these on acoustic guitar.
691
01:00:07,895 --> 01:00:11,773
Everyone's like trying to decide
whether they were any good,
692
01:00:11,899 --> 01:00:13,275
and then Danny said,
693
01:00:13,401 --> 01:00:16,570
"Edge, why don't you
play those two ideas sequentially?
694
01:00:16,696 --> 01:00:20,198
"Just play one after another
and see what happens."
695
01:00:20,325 --> 01:00:22,784
So, I did, and everyone was like,
696
01:00:22,910 --> 01:00:26,121
"Ooh, that sounds really good,
let's try that.
697
01:00:26,247 --> 01:00:28,040
"Let's try that in the big room."
698
01:00:29,083 --> 01:00:31,251
When you're at
that moment of inception
699
01:00:31,919 --> 01:00:33,795
there's a sense of momentum,
700
01:00:33,921 --> 01:00:36,381
that takes you into a different place.
701
01:00:36,507 --> 01:00:40,927
You're not in the environment,
you're not in those four walls.
702
01:00:46,267 --> 01:00:49,061
So, we all went into the big room
and showed Adam the chords,
703
01:00:49,187 --> 01:00:51,104
and we just started playing them.
704
01:00:51,230 --> 01:00:52,939
Bono got on the microphone.
705
01:01:02,158 --> 01:01:06,161
Suddenly something very powerful
is happening in the room.
706
01:01:11,459 --> 01:01:14,252
Something happened,
something comes into the room,
707
01:01:14,379 --> 01:01:17,422
and you know it -
everyone knew it, Danny...
708
01:01:18,841 --> 01:01:22,886
lt was one of those
hairs on the back of your neck moments.
709
01:01:43,157 --> 01:01:44,908
Bridge.
710
01:01:50,206 --> 01:01:52,165
Piano, Edge.
711
01:01:53,292 --> 01:01:56,461
To the C. Stay on the C.
712
01:02:01,592 --> 01:02:03,260
F to G.
713
01:02:03,386 --> 01:02:06,513
If you can get the piano in Edge,
that helped me the last time.
714
01:02:08,850 --> 01:02:10,100
And I'd like to hear Edge, Joe.
715
01:02:10,226 --> 01:02:13,729
He's calling out the chords
and moving the chords,
716
01:02:13,855 --> 01:02:19,401
to figure out where
the fertile ground is melodically for him.
717
01:02:22,113 --> 01:02:24,823
It's such a pivotal moment.
718
01:02:24,949 --> 01:02:27,159
We'd been going through
this hard time
719
01:02:27,285 --> 01:02:29,828
and nothing seemed
to be going right...
720
01:02:30,538 --> 01:02:34,332
...suddenly,
we were presented with this gift
721
01:02:34,459 --> 01:02:36,293
that just kind of arrived.
722
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:42,340
lt steadied everyone's nerves hugely
in the studio.
723
01:02:48,222 --> 01:02:49,848
We're playing these changes,
724
01:02:49,974 --> 01:02:53,477
but we're really listening to what
Bono's doing on the microphone.
725
01:02:54,395 --> 01:02:57,773
Every time he finds a new place
to go melodically,
726
01:02:57,899 --> 01:03:00,358
we try and go with him dynamically.
727
01:03:08,951 --> 01:03:11,286
We, as a band,
always seem to come alive,
728
01:03:11,412 --> 01:03:15,373
when we're all aware of the fact there's
something new happening in the room.
729
01:03:16,417 --> 01:03:20,170
Whatever it is, some little spark,
some angle that's new,
730
01:03:20,296 --> 01:03:22,088
and then everyone's suddenly there.
731
01:03:24,383 --> 01:03:26,134
lt can happen very, very quickly,
732
01:03:26,260 --> 01:03:29,805
or... tragically, very slowly,
733
01:03:29,931 --> 01:03:34,768
but in the case of One,
things happened extremely quickly.
734
01:03:42,443 --> 01:03:45,445
I don't want them to take off the echo
if there's a chance they'll lose it.
735
01:03:45,571 --> 01:03:49,157
lt wasn't that we'd found
a sonic identity for that,
736
01:03:49,283 --> 01:03:50,534
that sort of came later.
737
01:03:50,660 --> 01:03:53,829
I think it was
we found a spiritual identity -
738
01:03:53,955 --> 01:03:57,624
that was the important thing,
that was what we actually needed.
739
01:04:07,969 --> 01:04:13,139
There's a sort of blood pact, which is that
we have to be truthful with each other.
740
01:04:14,141 --> 01:04:17,143
So, it wasn't working,
we'd run out of gas...
741
01:04:18,312 --> 01:04:21,064
...and maybe just saying that was...
742
01:04:22,066 --> 01:04:24,401
...you know, that maybe
we've outgrown each other.
743
01:04:24,527 --> 01:04:26,403
lt wasn't Adam's fault,
it wasn't Larry's fault,
744
01:04:26,529 --> 01:04:28,405
it wasn't Danny's fault -
745
01:04:28,531 --> 01:04:32,158
they weren't convinced,
because we weren't convincing them.
746
01:04:32,910 --> 01:04:35,287
The material wasn't done,
it wasn't right.
747
01:04:35,413 --> 01:04:36,538
Where's the songs?
748
01:04:36,664 --> 01:04:40,292
"Cut the crap, show us your willy,"
as the cartoon said.
749
01:04:40,418 --> 01:04:42,752
Ever seen that with the peacock?
750
01:04:42,879 --> 01:04:45,046
Peacock's showing the big fantail,
751
01:04:45,172 --> 01:04:48,258
so, he goes, "Just cut the crap
and show us your willy."
752
01:04:48,384 --> 01:04:50,176
Next time we do the chorus
753
01:04:52,096 --> 01:04:55,015
I want you not to end on a G
but end on a C.
754
01:04:57,268 --> 01:04:58,560
Did you hear that, Adam?
755
01:04:58,686 --> 01:05:04,232
The way through writer's block
is always by being truthful -
756
01:05:04,358 --> 01:05:08,570
to write a song about division,
757
01:05:09,989 --> 01:05:17,037
a bitter-sweet song
about... disunity.
758
01:05:28,674 --> 01:05:34,638
I think what was going on at that time,
took us a long time to come to terms with,
759
01:05:34,764 --> 01:05:37,515
and I almost can't remember
760
01:05:37,642 --> 01:05:41,186
what we were actually trying
to come to terms with,
761
01:05:41,312 --> 01:05:43,438
but I know we carried each other
762
01:05:43,564 --> 01:05:46,024
to the point where we could stand
on our own feet.
763
01:05:49,654 --> 01:05:55,533
At Christmas, everybody just went,
"Fine, that's enough, go back to Ireland."
764
01:05:56,661 --> 01:06:02,165
I think there was about two months where
there was a sort of sense of regrouping,
765
01:06:02,291 --> 01:06:06,670
like, "Right, so that's what
we've left behind.
766
01:06:06,796 --> 01:06:09,381
"OK, well, we have got one or two things
767
01:06:09,507 --> 01:06:10,966
"that are leading the way."
768
01:06:16,514 --> 01:06:18,473
Berlin was a baptism of fire.
769
01:06:18,599 --> 01:06:21,935
lt was something
that we had to go through,
770
01:06:22,061 --> 01:06:24,938
to realise that
really what we were looking for
771
01:06:25,064 --> 01:06:27,983
and what we were trying
to get to,
772
01:06:28,109 --> 01:06:31,569
was not something you could
find physically outside of ourselves
773
01:06:31,696 --> 01:06:33,655
in some other city.
774
01:06:35,574 --> 01:06:38,535
There was no magic to it -
775
01:06:40,121 --> 01:06:42,163
we had to actually just put the work in,
776
01:06:42,289 --> 01:06:46,459
and figure out the ideas,
and hone those ideas down.
777
01:06:48,713 --> 01:06:51,214
I mean,
it's never gonna be a democracy,
778
01:06:51,340 --> 01:06:54,009
but if it's a benevolent dictatorship,
779
01:06:54,135 --> 01:07:00,557
that allows everybody to feel that they at
least get a chance to say yay or nay.
780
01:07:01,976 --> 01:07:04,185
Then you get something like One -
everybody's going,
781
01:07:04,311 --> 01:07:06,688
"Wow, that's amazing!
Classic song, genius."
782
01:07:06,814 --> 01:07:09,524
Brian, "I really don't like that.
783
01:07:09,650 --> 01:07:12,485
"We're gonna have to sort that,
that's just boring me to tears."
784
01:07:20,494 --> 01:07:22,704
The idea is to try to set a scene,
785
01:07:22,830 --> 01:07:27,042
so that the band
doesn't walk into a blank canvas.
786
01:07:42,767 --> 01:07:45,643
There were suddenly
all these little glimpses -
787
01:07:45,770 --> 01:07:48,229
"Oh, I can do that"
and "I can try that."
788
01:07:49,482 --> 01:07:54,569
The thing behind the foreground -
push that more and the voice more.
789
01:07:54,695 --> 01:07:56,112
So, bells back?
790
01:07:56,238 --> 01:07:59,032
Bells and Dan's like
real attacky guitar.
791
01:07:59,158 --> 01:08:01,576
Everybody started to see
jumping off points.
792
01:08:02,620 --> 01:08:04,329
What about the low one?
793
01:08:06,332 --> 01:08:07,749
I really like that.
794
01:08:07,875 --> 01:08:11,628
There's a kind of quicksilver sound
about it, it's like shimmering.
795
01:08:11,754 --> 01:08:17,133
I like it, a real sliver of silver...
at the top,
796
01:08:17,259 --> 01:08:20,720
but it needs maybe some...
grit.
797
01:08:21,847 --> 01:08:26,267
And maybe that would come from...
from you, Edge.
798
01:08:26,393 --> 01:08:28,144
You dirty dog!
799
01:08:30,106 --> 01:08:33,066
As wiry a sound
as you can make it, Edge.
800
01:08:33,776 --> 01:08:35,443
Grit, wire....
801
01:08:36,737 --> 01:08:39,155
The drum sound,
the original drum sound,
802
01:08:39,281 --> 01:08:42,617
it came in so low and then it went...
803
01:08:42,743 --> 01:08:46,037
it came in and then went up,
so I missed that.
804
01:08:46,163 --> 01:08:49,916
- It's not a point of drama anymore.
- I felt I really missed it.
805
01:08:51,669 --> 01:08:53,378
The thing about Larry is
806
01:08:53,504 --> 01:08:57,590
he's as much of a visual part
of the band as Bono and Edge.
807
01:08:58,342 --> 01:09:01,553
His style of drumming
is unlike anybody else's.
808
01:09:01,679 --> 01:09:05,473
He's completely self-taught
and he's basically wrong,
809
01:09:05,599 --> 01:09:08,184
but, thereby incredibly individual.
810
01:09:08,936 --> 01:09:11,479
Yeah, basically,
what I was just gonna do was,
811
01:09:11,605 --> 01:09:15,775
because Edge seemed
so keen on the previous part,
812
01:09:15,901 --> 01:09:17,902
I was basically just gonna try
and emulate that
813
01:09:18,028 --> 01:09:20,321
and then change
for the choruses.
814
01:09:23,617 --> 01:09:26,536
Sure, I'll do that.
No problem. Sure.
815
01:09:28,747 --> 01:09:30,707
Man, he comes up with
the drum signatures.
816
01:09:30,833 --> 01:09:32,917
Now hardly any drummers do this.
817
01:09:34,461 --> 01:09:37,172
You hear the drum beat
and you know that's that song.
818
01:09:45,139 --> 01:09:48,725
Sorry, Larry, I'm stopping you
cos I don't think that's going anywhere.
819
01:09:48,851 --> 01:09:50,894
It's softening the song up.
820
01:09:51,812 --> 01:09:55,607
What I liked about the previous part
was that it was brutal,
821
01:09:55,733 --> 01:10:00,528
and made it sound
vigorous and strange.
822
01:10:00,654 --> 01:10:03,531
lt might be because
there's another snare involved in it.
823
01:10:03,657 --> 01:10:06,784
Everybody knows
the value of the band.
824
01:10:07,870 --> 01:10:10,413
The idea that there'll be
somebody to challenge you,
825
01:10:10,539 --> 01:10:12,207
and you can challenge other people,
826
01:10:12,333 --> 01:10:15,210
the idea they can do that as adults
827
01:10:15,336 --> 01:10:18,296
and not necessarily
have to agree with people.
828
01:10:43,405 --> 01:10:46,699
- It's a nice sound, isn't it?
- Yes, I know.
829
01:10:58,087 --> 01:11:00,213
They're very, very loyal
to each other.
830
01:11:01,882 --> 01:11:04,801
And they're really, really kind
to each other.
831
01:11:06,595 --> 01:11:10,056
It's no good to have somebody
not well in the unit or not happy.
832
01:11:14,353 --> 01:11:18,439
The others don't say,
"Hard luck, mate, we're carrying on."
833
01:11:18,565 --> 01:11:21,693
The others say, "OK, we've gotta get
that person happy again."
834
01:11:21,819 --> 01:11:24,779
"We've got to draw them
back into the circle."
835
01:11:32,496 --> 01:11:36,499
If we're being accused
of megalomania...
836
01:11:37,793 --> 01:11:39,711
...let's do some judo.
837
01:11:40,713 --> 01:11:46,884
Let's use the force of what's attacking us
to defend ourselves.
838
01:11:51,724 --> 01:11:55,101
So, then we got a voice,
this character, The Fly...
839
01:11:57,521 --> 01:11:59,689
...to go with the glasses,
840
01:11:59,815 --> 01:12:02,734
and we distorted the voice,
so I could go...
841
01:12:08,032 --> 01:12:11,326
...it's no secret that the stars
are falling from the sky...
842
01:12:23,756 --> 01:12:28,426
So, getting down there,
into that sort of guttural place,
843
01:12:28,552 --> 01:12:31,054
into the gutter
844
01:12:31,180 --> 01:12:35,308
then I had a whole new
vocabulary open up.
845
01:12:44,151 --> 01:12:46,069
You're going to go there,
846
01:12:46,195 --> 01:12:48,696
and I just decided
I was gonna go there,
847
01:12:48,822 --> 01:12:52,950
but I couldn't do it
without some armour on.
848
01:12:53,077 --> 01:12:55,703
If I was gonna expose my heart,
849
01:12:55,829 --> 01:12:59,457
I needed the right kind of armour
to protect the rest of me.
850
01:13:01,168 --> 01:13:03,920
Well, I'm learning to lie.
851
01:13:04,046 --> 01:13:07,048
- Tell us about Bono.
- I'm learning to be insincere.
852
01:13:07,174 --> 01:13:10,176
The shades, rock and roll, man.
853
01:13:12,096 --> 01:13:17,058
To quote Iggy Pop, "When things get
too straight, I can't bear it,
854
01:13:17,184 --> 01:13:19,936
"and I feel like I'm stuck on a pin."
855
01:13:20,729 --> 01:13:23,898
Let's give them a rock star,
let's have some fun with this.
856
01:13:24,691 --> 01:13:27,110
I took Lou Reed's glasses,
857
01:13:27,236 --> 01:13:29,570
and Jim Morrison's pants,
858
01:13:29,696 --> 01:13:33,324
Elvis's jacket,
and a little bit of his hair -
859
01:13:33,450 --> 01:13:36,994
it was like an Identi-kit rock star,
you know, an assemble one yourself?
860
01:13:37,121 --> 01:13:39,872
And actually,
it was incredibly freeing.
861
01:14:25,711 --> 01:14:29,589
We started to embrace our world
and the silliness of it -
862
01:14:30,591 --> 01:14:32,216
the contradictory nature of it.
863
01:14:33,093 --> 01:14:37,597
We stopped trying to be
those earnest po-faced men.
864
01:14:39,183 --> 01:14:41,267
The mask reveals the man alright.
865
01:14:53,697 --> 01:14:55,615
lt was a move into brighter light.
866
01:14:58,285 --> 01:14:59,827
I think we got a bit fed up with
867
01:14:59,953 --> 01:15:03,831
those serious black and white
gloomy photographs.
868
01:15:07,711 --> 01:15:13,591
It's Anton really not working in an area
that he was comfortable in.
869
01:15:15,886 --> 01:15:17,595
I think we did brighten up a bit.
870
01:15:56,677 --> 01:16:00,555
That song informs so much
about what ended up becoming
871
01:16:00,681 --> 01:16:03,849
our exploration live of media
872
01:16:03,976 --> 01:16:06,852
and the truth which was Zoo TV.
873
01:16:09,648 --> 01:16:12,233
Or maybe the encore's
exactly the place for it.
874
01:16:12,359 --> 01:16:14,652
Just, you know, like fish tanks,
875
01:16:14,778 --> 01:16:17,154
something that might start over there
and end up over there,
876
01:16:17,281 --> 01:16:19,115
but it's not what you think it is.
877
01:16:19,241 --> 01:16:20,658
So, you really like that?
878
01:16:20,784 --> 01:16:23,327
And Ned reckons
he can get fins on it and all sorts.
879
01:16:25,414 --> 01:16:27,415
It's something funny, basically,
isn't it?
880
01:16:27,541 --> 01:16:28,583
Yeah.
881
01:16:28,709 --> 01:16:30,918
During Zoo TV,
I remember Edge saying...
882
01:16:31,044 --> 01:16:35,256
"This fantastic thing, this is
our reward for ten years of restraint."
883
01:16:35,382 --> 01:16:40,678
It's just such a wide expanse to do
something that...
884
01:16:41,388 --> 01:16:43,681
makes people laugh,
885
01:16:43,807 --> 01:16:46,726
as opposed to just be impressed.
886
01:17:16,798 --> 01:17:18,966
Loud, boom, boom!
887
01:17:20,927 --> 01:17:22,928
Boom!
All different versions of us.
888
01:17:51,458 --> 01:17:54,460
I saw... them.
889
01:18:08,141 --> 01:18:10,267
I saw into them.
890
01:18:14,314 --> 01:18:17,149
I saw what Edge is now,
I saw it then.
891
01:18:20,195 --> 01:18:21,487
I saw who they could be.
892
01:18:23,490 --> 01:18:25,282
lt was always there.
893
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:31,539
And I saw Larry, and I thought,
"This guy's a superstar."
894
01:18:34,376 --> 01:18:36,001
It's a very unromantic love,
895
01:18:36,128 --> 01:18:40,047
it's a very hard-bitten,
tough, fuck off love.
896
01:21:34,472 --> 01:21:42,021
You have to reject
one expression of the band... first,
897
01:21:42,147 --> 01:21:45,357
before you get to the next expression,
898
01:21:45,483 --> 01:21:47,735
and in between, you have nothing.
899
01:21:49,613 --> 01:21:52,156
You have to risk it... all.
900
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:18,156
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