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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,106 --> 00:00:03,775 JEREMY McDERMOTT: Right from the beginning 2 00:00:03,858 --> 00:00:08,488 his alias was "The Ghost." 3 00:00:08,571 --> 00:00:12,700 Because he always was going to try and live in the shadows. 4 00:00:12,784 --> 00:00:19,541 ♪ ♪ 5 00:00:19,624 --> 00:00:26,547 ♪ ♪ 6 00:00:26,631 --> 00:00:29,676 He's directly linked to some of the most violent 7 00:00:29,717 --> 00:00:32,971 "visible" narcos in Colombian history. 8 00:00:33,012 --> 00:00:38,268 including Pablo Escobar's successor, Don Berna. 9 00:00:38,518 --> 00:00:43,648 The Ghost is an extraordinarily powerful individual. 10 00:00:43,731 --> 00:00:45,817 One of the most prolific and powerful 11 00:00:45,858 --> 00:00:48,778 drug traffickers in Colombia. 12 00:00:48,820 --> 00:00:50,154 Then he disappears. 13 00:00:50,238 --> 00:00:54,909 In 2008, poof, he's gone. 14 00:00:54,993 --> 00:00:58,162 I'm out to track him down, find him. 15 00:00:58,246 --> 00:00:59,789 I'm not going to let these (bleep) intimidate me, 16 00:00:59,831 --> 00:01:01,165 particularly not this one. 17 00:01:01,207 --> 00:01:03,584 Confront him and expose him. 18 00:01:06,879 --> 00:01:07,880 McDERMOTT: This is not good. 19 00:01:07,964 --> 00:01:09,966 Don't stop here, don't stop here. 20 00:01:37,201 --> 00:01:42,206 (siren) 21 00:01:42,248 --> 00:01:44,000 McDERMOTT: I've been an investigative journalist 22 00:01:44,042 --> 00:01:47,253 for the last 25 years. 23 00:01:47,295 --> 00:01:48,921 I'm a former British Army officer 24 00:01:49,005 --> 00:01:52,925 who made the leap to war correspondent. 25 00:01:53,009 --> 00:01:56,596 Started in Bosnia, moved to the Middle East, 26 00:01:56,637 --> 00:02:00,183 and I came to Colombia in 1997. 27 00:02:00,266 --> 00:02:05,355 (gunfire) 28 00:02:05,605 --> 00:02:11,569 This was when the civil conflict was at its worst. 29 00:02:11,611 --> 00:02:15,573 Left‐wing guerillas seeking to overthrow the government, 30 00:02:15,615 --> 00:02:18,326 and then pitted against them were right‐wing paramilitaries, 31 00:02:18,576 --> 00:02:25,166 but they've all been fed by drug trafficking. 32 00:02:25,249 --> 00:02:27,960 Cocaine has been the fuel on the fire. 33 00:02:36,260 --> 00:02:41,391 But from 2004 to 2006 there's a turning point in the conflict. 34 00:02:43,976 --> 00:02:46,312 In a place known as Ralito 35 00:02:46,396 --> 00:02:50,775 in the north of the country in Córdoba Department. 36 00:02:50,858 --> 00:02:54,112 The right‐wing paramilitary army of the AUC, 37 00:02:54,153 --> 00:02:56,948 the most powerful drug trafficking organization 38 00:02:56,989 --> 00:03:02,161 in the world, sits down to negotiate with the government. 39 00:03:02,245 --> 00:03:06,708 Ralito is the largest gathering of narcos in history. 40 00:03:06,791 --> 00:03:08,835 (man speaking Spanish) 41 00:03:08,876 --> 00:03:12,380 A who's who of the most powerful and violent drug barons 42 00:03:12,672 --> 00:03:13,881 in Colombia. 43 00:03:15,383 --> 00:03:17,051 Mancuso. 44 00:03:17,135 --> 00:03:19,679 Carlos Castaño. 45 00:03:19,762 --> 00:03:22,265 Pablo Sevillano. 46 00:03:22,348 --> 00:03:25,101 Macaco. 47 00:03:25,184 --> 00:03:28,062 Don Berna. 48 00:03:28,146 --> 00:03:34,193 And with these kingpins, a mysterious figure. 49 00:03:34,277 --> 00:03:38,656 He never appeared in public at Ralito. 50 00:03:38,698 --> 00:03:42,076 Deliberately stayed away from the cameras. 51 00:03:45,121 --> 00:03:47,790 But he did sign a key AUC document 52 00:03:47,832 --> 00:03:52,253 entitled United for Peace. 53 00:03:54,297 --> 00:03:58,885 So we got Mancuso, we've got Don Berna, we've got Macaco, 54 00:03:58,968 --> 00:04:03,306 we know all of these names, until we get to here. 55 00:04:03,389 --> 00:04:05,308 Sebastián Colmenares. 56 00:04:05,391 --> 00:04:11,439 Who is he and why is he in such distinguished criminal company? 57 00:04:11,689 --> 00:04:15,276 Sebastián Colmenares was, according to this document, 58 00:04:15,359 --> 00:04:18,362 one of the most important paramilitary commanders 59 00:04:18,446 --> 00:04:19,906 there were. 60 00:04:19,989 --> 00:04:24,869 An extraordinarily powerful individual. 61 00:04:24,911 --> 00:04:29,040 A person who we believe is responsible for smuggling 62 00:04:29,081 --> 00:04:33,419 tons of drugs to the mainland United States. 63 00:04:38,966 --> 00:04:41,260 And then he disappears. 64 00:04:41,344 --> 00:04:46,307 In 2008, poof, he's gone. 65 00:04:48,351 --> 00:04:51,771 What I want to know is where did he go? 66 00:04:51,813 --> 00:04:54,816 What's he doing now? 67 00:04:54,899 --> 00:04:58,903 Where is Sebastián Colmenares today? 68 00:04:58,945 --> 00:05:01,322 ♪ ♪ 69 00:05:01,405 --> 00:05:06,244 ♪ ♪ 70 00:05:06,285 --> 00:05:12,792 The paramilitaries all signed their documents with aliases. 71 00:05:12,875 --> 00:05:16,128 So, we assumed that Sebastián Colmenares 72 00:05:16,212 --> 00:05:20,132 was an alias. 73 00:05:20,174 --> 00:05:22,969 I run the name past my underworld sources. 74 00:05:27,306 --> 00:05:29,267 But I drew a blank. 75 00:05:31,894 --> 00:05:34,438 Then, there's a breakthrough. 76 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,275 We get word from a high‐ranking ex‐narco 77 00:05:37,316 --> 00:05:42,280 that Sebastián Colmenares also went by another alias. 78 00:05:42,321 --> 00:05:47,034 ♪ ♪ 79 00:05:58,504 --> 00:06:01,048 McDERMOTT: Memo is Will in Spanish, 80 00:06:01,132 --> 00:06:02,508 and Fantasma is a ghost, 81 00:06:02,592 --> 00:06:05,094 so the literal translation of Memo Fantasma 82 00:06:05,177 --> 00:06:09,015 is he's Will the Ghost. 83 00:06:09,098 --> 00:06:11,225 And this alias has been whispered 84 00:06:11,309 --> 00:06:14,437 through the Medellín underworld for years. 85 00:06:18,065 --> 00:06:21,402 JOHN BARRY: I was meeting with an informant in Mexico, 86 00:06:21,485 --> 00:06:23,988 and that name Memo Fantasma came up. 87 00:06:24,071 --> 00:06:26,240 The name has always stuck with me, 88 00:06:26,324 --> 00:06:29,160 because who could forget a name like Memo Fantasma? 89 00:06:47,386 --> 00:06:50,181 McDERMOTT: Memo Fantasma is clearly well‐known 90 00:06:50,222 --> 00:06:52,058 in the criminal world. 91 00:06:55,186 --> 00:06:59,857 But when I begin to question Colombian police sources, 92 00:06:59,899 --> 00:07:01,442 we hit a brick wall. 93 00:07:01,525 --> 00:07:03,944 Some just say, "Never heard of him." 94 00:07:04,028 --> 00:07:05,863 Which can't be possible. 95 00:07:05,905 --> 00:07:10,868 Others say, "Ask me something else, Jerry. Don't go there." 96 00:07:13,496 --> 00:07:18,250 We get nothing, nothing, not a whisper from the police sources, 97 00:07:18,292 --> 00:07:21,212 and this is an alarm bell. 98 00:07:21,253 --> 00:07:26,592 How is it possible that a name that has widespread recognition 99 00:07:26,676 --> 00:07:30,513 in the underworld is completely unknown to the police? 100 00:07:32,598 --> 00:07:36,227 The most obvious and alarming explanation 101 00:07:36,268 --> 00:07:40,439 is they know who Memo Fantasma is and he is being protected. 102 00:07:40,523 --> 00:07:45,653 ♪ ♪ 103 00:07:45,903 --> 00:07:49,490 Then we get a contact from inside the US government 104 00:07:49,573 --> 00:07:52,076 who's prepared to go on the record. 105 00:07:52,159 --> 00:07:54,245 (phone ringing) 106 00:07:54,328 --> 00:07:56,288 Hi there, Peter, how are you? 107 00:07:56,372 --> 00:07:59,333 PETER VINCENT: Hello, Jeremy. 108 00:07:59,417 --> 00:08:01,460 McDERMOTT: Peter Vincent was a senior figure 109 00:08:01,544 --> 00:08:07,091 in the US Embassy in Bogotá from 2006 to 2009. 110 00:08:08,968 --> 00:08:10,970 I'm just gonna jump straight into it. 111 00:08:11,053 --> 00:08:13,973 Tell me, have you ever heard of the name Memo Fantasma 112 00:08:14,056 --> 00:08:15,558 and in what context? 113 00:08:15,641 --> 00:08:19,145 VINCENT: I started to hear rumors and whispers 114 00:08:19,186 --> 00:08:23,023 about Memo Fantasma, the so called "Narco Ghost," 115 00:08:23,107 --> 00:08:27,111 in Bogotá, Colombia, from 2006 until 2009. 116 00:08:27,153 --> 00:08:31,323 And this mysterious character was very much involved 117 00:08:31,407 --> 00:08:34,326 in both narco trafficking and paramilitary activity. 118 00:08:34,410 --> 00:08:36,120 Even prior to the paramilitaries, 119 00:08:36,162 --> 00:08:38,998 he was actually an associate of Pablo Escobar. 120 00:08:39,081 --> 00:08:41,625 Ended up making off with a large load 121 00:08:41,709 --> 00:08:43,544 of high quality cocaine 122 00:08:43,627 --> 00:08:45,171 that he stole from Escobar 123 00:08:45,254 --> 00:08:48,340 and ended up setting up his own operation. 124 00:08:48,424 --> 00:08:50,134 McDERMOTT: Do you know who he was working with 125 00:08:50,176 --> 00:08:52,011 in the paramilitaries? 126 00:08:52,053 --> 00:08:54,597 VINCENT: It was always my opinion that Memo Fantasma 127 00:08:54,680 --> 00:08:57,475 was actually a leader of the Central Bolívar Bloques. 128 00:08:57,516 --> 00:08:59,268 McDERMOTT: Ah. 129 00:08:59,351 --> 00:09:01,270 VINCENT: Which, as you well know, was responsible 130 00:09:01,353 --> 00:09:07,234 for the slaughter of anywhere from 10,000 to 15,000 people. 131 00:09:07,318 --> 00:09:10,488 It was engaging in massive amounts of narco trafficking 132 00:09:10,571 --> 00:09:14,158 and frankly, crimes against humanity and genocide. 133 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,288 McDERMOTT: So, for you there's no doubt that Memo Fantasma 134 00:09:19,330 --> 00:09:21,207 was playing in the big leagues? 135 00:09:21,290 --> 00:09:24,085 VINCENT: There is no doubt whatsoever that Memo Fantasma 136 00:09:24,168 --> 00:09:25,711 was not only playing in the big leagues, 137 00:09:25,795 --> 00:09:30,299 but he was actually directing quite a bit of this. 138 00:09:30,382 --> 00:09:31,717 We knew he was involved, 139 00:09:31,759 --> 00:09:36,555 and then he disappeared, like a ghost. 140 00:09:36,639 --> 00:09:40,059 And we lost track of him. 141 00:09:40,101 --> 00:09:42,186 McDERMOTT: Peter Vincent puts him 142 00:09:42,228 --> 00:09:46,065 right at the top of the big leagues. 143 00:09:46,148 --> 00:09:47,691 He's a top drug trafficker 144 00:09:47,775 --> 00:09:51,278 who is an integral part of the paramilitary army. 145 00:09:51,362 --> 00:09:52,696 Great, thank you very much. 146 00:09:52,780 --> 00:09:54,573 VINCENT: Bye‐bye. 147 00:09:54,657 --> 00:09:57,576 McDERMOTT: We're on the right track, and he's a big player, 148 00:09:57,660 --> 00:10:01,247 and if we can expose him, it's a potential game changer. 149 00:10:08,546 --> 00:10:09,755 (soldiers chanting) 150 00:10:09,839 --> 00:10:11,632 McDERMOTT: According to Peter Vincent, 151 00:10:11,715 --> 00:10:16,137 Memo Fantasma was part of the Central Bolívar Bloc, or BCB. 152 00:10:16,220 --> 00:10:18,097 (soldier yelling) 153 00:10:18,139 --> 00:10:22,184 One of the most powerful paramilitary units in the AUC, 154 00:10:22,268 --> 00:10:26,522 headed by the notorious warlord known as Macaco. 155 00:10:28,399 --> 00:10:32,153 Macaco inspired fear. 156 00:10:32,236 --> 00:10:35,614 And a source tells me that Sebastián Colmenares, 157 00:10:35,698 --> 00:10:40,744 AKA Memo Fantasma, was in business with Macaco, 158 00:10:40,786 --> 00:10:44,081 alias Javier Montañez. 159 00:10:55,301 --> 00:10:57,511 McDERMOTT: It's a eureka moment. 160 00:10:57,595 --> 00:11:02,474 Memo Fantasma was Macaco's business partner. 161 00:11:04,643 --> 00:11:06,812 All of our sources said Macaco 162 00:11:06,854 --> 00:11:11,275 was muscle and territory, 163 00:11:11,358 --> 00:11:15,487 Memo was money and drug trafficking. 164 00:11:15,571 --> 00:11:20,242 Macaco was visible, Memo is invisible. 165 00:11:20,284 --> 00:11:23,454 They are partners, but the aim is the same: 166 00:11:23,537 --> 00:11:29,835 to build BCB into a powerful drug trafficking organization. 167 00:11:34,632 --> 00:11:39,178 By the early 2000s they've got significant territorial control 168 00:11:39,261 --> 00:11:41,764 across many different parts of the country, 169 00:11:41,847 --> 00:11:46,393 all important for drug trafficking. 170 00:11:46,477 --> 00:11:50,648 And they are moving tens of tons of cocaine 171 00:11:50,689 --> 00:11:54,401 and generating tens of millions of dollars. 172 00:11:57,363 --> 00:12:00,699 At the height of BCB's power, 173 00:12:00,783 --> 00:12:04,745 Sebastián Colmenares, AKA Memo Fantasma, 174 00:12:04,828 --> 00:12:07,248 is one of the most prolific 175 00:12:07,331 --> 00:12:10,376 and powerful drug traffickers in Colombia. 176 00:12:13,545 --> 00:12:16,590 Fast forward to 2006. 177 00:12:16,674 --> 00:12:20,261 At Ralito, Don Berna and the paramilitary leaders 178 00:12:20,344 --> 00:12:24,390 decide to take a deal offered by the government. 179 00:12:24,473 --> 00:12:26,225 To avoid extradition, 180 00:12:26,308 --> 00:12:30,854 they consent to eight years of soft detention in Colombia, 181 00:12:30,896 --> 00:12:35,359 and agree to leave their criminal pasts behind them. 182 00:12:35,401 --> 00:12:38,529 Sebastián Colmenares has a choice. 183 00:12:38,570 --> 00:12:42,866 He could take the golden parachute, 184 00:12:42,908 --> 00:12:47,538 but Memo Fantasma it seems has other ideas. 185 00:12:47,579 --> 00:12:50,666 He's going to leave Sebastián Colmenares 186 00:12:50,708 --> 00:12:53,669 and consign him to history. 187 00:12:55,754 --> 00:12:59,883 Memo Fantasma wants to continue in the drug trade. 188 00:13:04,263 --> 00:13:08,809 He quits the peace process and vanishes. 189 00:13:08,892 --> 00:13:12,730 (sirens) 190 00:13:12,771 --> 00:13:18,235 Three years later, that proves to be a very smart choice. 191 00:13:18,319 --> 00:13:21,697 In 2008, Don Berna, 192 00:13:21,739 --> 00:13:24,700 along with Macaco, 193 00:13:24,742 --> 00:13:26,869 Mancuso, 194 00:13:26,910 --> 00:13:28,996 and the paramilitary high command 195 00:13:29,246 --> 00:13:33,542 were all expelled from the Peace and Justice system. 196 00:13:33,584 --> 00:13:37,463 They were extradited to the United States. 197 00:13:40,674 --> 00:13:46,972 They all get long sentences in maximum security prisons. 198 00:13:47,014 --> 00:13:51,643 Don Berna gets 30 years. 199 00:13:54,313 --> 00:13:57,775 But his invisible associate, Memo Fantasma, 200 00:13:57,858 --> 00:13:59,610 escapes this fate. 201 00:13:59,693 --> 00:14:01,528 He's never extradited. 202 00:14:01,612 --> 00:14:03,280 Never arrested. 203 00:14:03,363 --> 00:14:06,366 Never even charged with a crime. 204 00:14:08,869 --> 00:14:13,916 But he's made one mistake. 205 00:14:13,957 --> 00:14:17,336 When Memo Fantasma signed that document 206 00:14:17,377 --> 00:14:20,047 as Sebastián Colmenares, 207 00:14:20,339 --> 00:14:24,343 he very briefly became visible, 208 00:14:24,384 --> 00:14:26,762 and I think he's going to regret that. 209 00:14:26,845 --> 00:14:29,389 ♪ ♪ 210 00:14:29,473 --> 00:14:34,853 ♪ ♪ 211 00:14:34,895 --> 00:14:36,939 So, now we've got confirmation 212 00:14:36,980 --> 00:14:42,069 that Sebastián Colmenares is Memo Fantasma, 213 00:14:42,319 --> 00:14:46,323 is a key part of the AUC, the paramilitary army, 214 00:14:46,406 --> 00:14:49,451 we just need his real name. 215 00:14:52,663 --> 00:14:56,041 For us the obvious place to start digging 216 00:14:56,333 --> 00:15:01,713 is in the Peace and Justice files. 217 00:15:01,797 --> 00:15:05,843 They contain the proceeds of the entire paramilitary history, 218 00:15:05,884 --> 00:15:07,928 including the Ralito gathering, 219 00:15:08,011 --> 00:15:12,891 thousands of hours of testimony from members of the AUC. 220 00:15:12,933 --> 00:15:14,059 Hasta luego. 221 00:15:16,061 --> 00:15:19,982 We pick up the first solid evidence of Memo Fantasma 222 00:15:20,023 --> 00:15:23,986 in a taped interview in which a Peace and Justice prosecutor 223 00:15:24,027 --> 00:15:28,907 is questioning a former BCB member, alias Nico. 224 00:15:28,991 --> 00:15:33,412 Nico is clearly under pressure from BCB leaders. 225 00:15:47,509 --> 00:15:51,513 McDERMOTT: It was clear that the top level of the BCB 226 00:15:51,597 --> 00:15:55,184 were trying to hide Memo Fantasma 227 00:15:55,434 --> 00:15:57,144 and Sebastián Colmenares. 228 00:16:36,808 --> 00:16:39,895 McDERMOTT: We had no more luck than the prosecutor. 229 00:16:39,978 --> 00:16:43,815 We couldn't find any Guillermo Camacho either. 230 00:16:47,444 --> 00:16:51,782 Then we find alias Pablo Sevillano's file. 231 00:16:51,823 --> 00:16:53,575 He's a top drug trafficker 232 00:16:53,617 --> 00:16:57,204 who is an integral part of the paramilitary army. 233 00:16:57,454 --> 00:17:00,791 And as it happens, his first name is Guillermo, 234 00:17:00,874 --> 00:17:03,001 or Memo for short. 235 00:17:03,043 --> 00:17:07,923 He's directly asked, "Are you Memo Fantasma?" 236 00:17:08,006 --> 00:17:13,595 Pablo Sevillano responds saying, "I am not Memo Fantasma. 237 00:17:13,679 --> 00:17:17,891 Memo Fantasma is Guillermo Acevedo." 238 00:17:20,227 --> 00:17:23,105 This is it, this is a legal document 239 00:17:23,146 --> 00:17:27,025 naming Memo Fantasma as Guillermo Acevedo. 240 00:17:30,696 --> 00:17:33,490 But is Sevillano telling the truth? 241 00:17:33,574 --> 00:17:37,160 Is Guillermo Acevedo Memo's real name 242 00:17:37,202 --> 00:17:40,789 or is it just another alias? 243 00:17:40,831 --> 00:17:46,003 And if it is real, can we find an ID number and a photograph? 244 00:17:49,881 --> 00:17:52,801 So, we go to Bogotá's Chamber of Commerce. 245 00:17:52,884 --> 00:17:55,304 It's 900... 246 00:17:55,554 --> 00:17:57,598 And we get a hit. 247 00:17:57,681 --> 00:18:01,226 Guillermo Acevedo has a company, ACEM, 248 00:18:01,268 --> 00:18:03,562 but what we're really looking for 249 00:18:03,604 --> 00:18:08,650 is the ID card of all of the shareholders. 250 00:18:12,195 --> 00:18:14,781 We get to Guillermo Acevedo. 251 00:18:17,242 --> 00:18:19,077 We've got his name in full, 252 00:18:19,161 --> 00:18:21,538 we've got where the ID was issued, 253 00:18:21,580 --> 00:18:24,791 and we've got his ID card number. 254 00:18:29,588 --> 00:18:31,089 But the photo is black, 255 00:18:31,173 --> 00:18:33,884 and I don't believe that was a coincidence. 256 00:18:45,062 --> 00:18:47,314 McDERMOTT: Our ideal scenario 257 00:18:47,564 --> 00:18:52,736 is to find a series of properties and companies 258 00:18:52,819 --> 00:18:56,073 linked to Guillermo Acevedo, to Memo. 259 00:18:56,156 --> 00:18:58,325 So, we can say, look, this guy is worth 260 00:18:58,575 --> 00:19:02,746 hundreds of millions of dollars, how can he possibly justify it? 261 00:19:02,829 --> 00:19:08,377 We find 12 companies that we can link to Guillermo Acevedo. 262 00:19:08,627 --> 00:19:10,796 But one stands out. 263 00:19:10,837 --> 00:19:15,217 Between 2006 and 2008, Guillermo Acevedo was involved 264 00:19:15,300 --> 00:19:17,678 in a property development project 265 00:19:17,761 --> 00:19:20,347 in an exclusive part of Bogotá 266 00:19:20,639 --> 00:19:24,142 with a company called Hitos Urbanos. 267 00:19:24,226 --> 00:19:29,106 Hitos Urbanos is owned by the vice president of Colombia, 268 00:19:29,189 --> 00:19:33,318 Marta Lucia Ramirez, and her husband, Alvaro Rincon. 269 00:19:34,861 --> 00:19:36,655 The land was subsequently used 270 00:19:36,738 --> 00:19:42,119 to construct the high‐rise building "Torres 85." 271 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:48,250 Very significant property development in Bogotá. 272 00:19:48,291 --> 00:19:50,961 Clearly Guillermo Acevedo has been involved 273 00:19:51,002 --> 00:19:53,046 in large property deals 274 00:19:53,130 --> 00:19:57,759 with members of Colombian high society. 275 00:19:57,843 --> 00:20:03,765 We don't know where he is, or what he looks like. 276 00:20:03,849 --> 00:20:05,767 But we have a lot more information now, 277 00:20:05,851 --> 00:20:08,979 so I hit up my contacts one more time. 278 00:20:12,315 --> 00:20:17,904 We get a photo from a source, it's very bad quality. 279 00:20:20,198 --> 00:20:23,994 It's the copy of a photocopy 280 00:20:24,077 --> 00:20:26,830 of a black and white passport photo. 281 00:20:30,167 --> 00:20:34,212 There he is, ghost no more. 282 00:20:34,296 --> 00:20:36,965 Our quarry now had a face. 283 00:20:37,048 --> 00:20:40,385 But it's of such bad quality that we can't blow it up, 284 00:20:40,427 --> 00:20:42,971 and it's just not enough to go to sources 285 00:20:43,054 --> 00:20:46,057 and say, "Is this Memo Fantasma?" 286 00:20:48,894 --> 00:20:53,732 Then we get an extraordinary tip. 287 00:20:53,815 --> 00:20:55,776 Holy! That's him! 288 00:20:58,695 --> 00:21:03,950 In a freak chance, Memo Fantasma appears, 289 00:21:04,034 --> 00:21:07,704 unknowingly, in a hidden camera show. 290 00:21:07,788 --> 00:21:11,374 (speaking Spanish) 291 00:21:13,418 --> 00:21:15,253 And sure enough, there he was. 292 00:21:15,337 --> 00:21:19,299 So, we had two photos from two different sources 293 00:21:19,382 --> 00:21:24,304 and clear enough for us to take to our sources and say, 294 00:21:24,387 --> 00:21:28,350 "Is this Guillermo Acevedo, Memo Fantasma?" 295 00:21:28,433 --> 00:21:32,521 This initially proves extremely difficult. 296 00:21:32,771 --> 00:21:37,150 Memo Fantasma really scares people, 297 00:21:37,234 --> 00:21:39,361 and none of my underworld sources 298 00:21:39,402 --> 00:21:42,781 initially are prepared to go on the record. 299 00:21:45,116 --> 00:21:48,036 (man speaking Spanish) 300 00:21:48,078 --> 00:21:51,998 But we find Carlos Mateus, alias Paquita. 301 00:21:54,501 --> 00:21:58,463 He's a commander in Bloque Central Bolívar. 302 00:22:02,217 --> 00:22:05,428 McDERMOTT: A key drug trafficking source 303 00:22:05,470 --> 00:22:11,268 who had a foot in both the Medellín underworld 304 00:22:11,309 --> 00:22:13,562 and the paramilitary army. 305 00:22:13,812 --> 00:22:17,357 One of Macaco's trusted lieutenants. 306 00:22:41,923 --> 00:22:43,967 McDERMOTT: We had a face of Memo Fantasma. 307 00:22:44,009 --> 00:22:47,429 It's a crucial breaking point for the whole story. 308 00:23:08,074 --> 00:23:10,285 McDERMOTT: What's great about Paquita's story 309 00:23:10,327 --> 00:23:15,415 is that initially he didn't know who Memo was. 310 00:23:15,498 --> 00:23:17,542 He sees a helicopter land 311 00:23:17,834 --> 00:23:21,504 for a summit of top paramilitary commanders, 312 00:23:21,546 --> 00:23:24,925 and he sees Memo step off the helicopter 313 00:23:25,008 --> 00:23:29,596 and go and greet the top commanders as an equal, 314 00:23:29,888 --> 00:23:32,432 indeed some of them deferred to him. 315 00:23:32,515 --> 00:23:36,186 Paquita says, "Who is that guy?" 316 00:23:36,227 --> 00:23:41,024 And one of his superiors says, "That's Memo Fantasma." 317 00:24:25,652 --> 00:24:30,532 McDERMOTT: And Macaco told him, Memo has left me just the bones. 318 00:24:30,573 --> 00:24:34,202 Memo's got all the meat and all the good stuff 319 00:24:34,244 --> 00:24:37,998 and Macaco's been left with the remains. 320 00:24:38,081 --> 00:24:40,667 Macaco's turned himself in as part of the peace process, 321 00:24:40,917 --> 00:24:42,627 Memo's still on the outside, 322 00:24:42,711 --> 00:24:45,463 he's making the money, he's still got the power. 323 00:24:50,385 --> 00:24:52,137 McDERMOTT: Also willing to go on the record 324 00:24:52,220 --> 00:24:56,683 is former Colombian prosecutor Cruz Elena Aguilar. 325 00:25:02,063 --> 00:25:06,026 McDERMOTT: Cruz Elena Aguilar is eminently qualified 326 00:25:06,109 --> 00:25:09,112 to identify Memo Fantasma. 327 00:25:09,195 --> 00:25:11,322 She mixed with Medellín's top narcos 328 00:25:11,406 --> 00:25:15,160 in the Search Bloc during the hunt for Pablo Escobar. 329 00:25:29,049 --> 00:25:31,718 McDERMOTT: The fact that she and alias Paquita 330 00:25:32,010 --> 00:25:36,765 can clearly identify Memo Fantasma 331 00:25:37,015 --> 00:25:39,768 is our proof that Sebastián Colmenares, 332 00:25:40,018 --> 00:25:42,270 Memo Fantasma, and Guillermo Acevedo 333 00:25:42,353 --> 00:25:44,481 are one and the same. 334 00:25:44,522 --> 00:25:47,317 It's a done deal for us. 335 00:25:47,358 --> 00:25:50,320 Now we just have to find him. 336 00:25:50,403 --> 00:25:56,034 But from 2014 to 2015, he drops off the radar. 337 00:25:56,117 --> 00:26:00,538 So, we went back to our sources, who said... 338 00:26:00,622 --> 00:26:03,500 he's left the country. 339 00:26:03,541 --> 00:26:06,211 He's moved to Spain. 340 00:26:06,294 --> 00:26:07,462 Okay. 341 00:26:19,557 --> 00:26:23,228 McDERMOTT: I want confirmation, photographic, that he's there. 342 00:26:23,311 --> 00:26:26,064 I want confirmation of his residence, 343 00:26:26,147 --> 00:26:28,608 I want confirmation of his offices. 344 00:26:28,691 --> 00:26:31,194 Gracias. 345 00:26:31,236 --> 00:26:34,489 If we can get all that evidence in hand, 346 00:26:34,531 --> 00:26:38,034 then it'll be time for me to go to Madrid. 347 00:26:41,037 --> 00:26:44,374 ♪ ♪ 348 00:26:44,457 --> 00:26:50,755 ♪ ♪ 349 00:26:50,797 --> 00:26:55,135 This, we're hoping, is gonna be the closing chapter 350 00:26:55,218 --> 00:26:59,722 in the hunt for our invisible Memo Fantasma. 351 00:26:59,764 --> 00:27:06,354 According to the contacts here, he is in Madrid right now. 352 00:27:06,437 --> 00:27:09,732 We found a company that he'd set up in Madrid. 353 00:27:09,816 --> 00:27:13,403 Millions of Euros. 354 00:27:13,444 --> 00:27:16,114 I really feel we're in the final stretch, 355 00:27:16,197 --> 00:27:21,411 and a guy who has been invisible now for well over a decade, 356 00:27:21,494 --> 00:27:25,081 maybe, just maybe we're gonna shine the light on him. 357 00:27:29,878 --> 00:27:31,588 We're about to meet our contact. 358 00:27:31,629 --> 00:27:34,757 He's been scooping up information on Memo Fantasma 359 00:27:34,799 --> 00:27:36,467 and his movements. 360 00:27:36,509 --> 00:27:39,512 We're hoping that he's got the information we need 361 00:27:39,596 --> 00:27:41,723 to plan our next steps. 362 00:28:02,577 --> 00:28:04,621 McDERMOTT: That is definitely Memo. 363 00:28:07,624 --> 00:28:09,751 A little bit older. 364 00:28:12,503 --> 00:28:14,172 But it's him. 365 00:28:18,217 --> 00:28:24,432 So now I'm just gonna find these addresses on the map, 366 00:28:24,515 --> 00:28:29,228 so we can plan our attack. 367 00:28:29,312 --> 00:28:30,772 We'll hit the lawyers first, 368 00:28:30,855 --> 00:28:32,690 right here in the center of town. 369 00:28:32,774 --> 00:28:34,484 Then we've got a house, 370 00:28:34,567 --> 00:28:39,238 but this is on the outskirts of town towards the airport. 371 00:28:39,322 --> 00:28:43,368 Hopefully we'll get a message to him and maybe even see him. 372 00:28:43,451 --> 00:28:45,787 ♪ ♪ 373 00:28:45,828 --> 00:28:51,417 ♪ ♪ 374 00:28:51,501 --> 00:28:54,295 So, the first stop is the lawyers. 375 00:28:58,508 --> 00:29:02,762 We want to make sure that this letter gets into his hands, 376 00:29:02,845 --> 00:29:05,723 as this going to be the first official notice 377 00:29:05,765 --> 00:29:09,435 of his right to reply to our accusations. 378 00:29:09,519 --> 00:29:14,774 ♪ ♪ 379 00:29:14,857 --> 00:29:16,192 What's gonna be interesting now 380 00:29:16,275 --> 00:29:18,194 is the response from the lawyers. 381 00:29:18,277 --> 00:29:21,739 I've left my phone number at the bottom of all the letters. 382 00:29:21,823 --> 00:29:25,618 If he wants to reach me, he will certainly know how to do it. 383 00:29:46,931 --> 00:29:48,766 McDERMOTT: Jeremy McDermott. 384 00:31:10,348 --> 00:31:15,394 McDERMOTT: So, we need to drop an envelope at his house. 385 00:31:15,478 --> 00:31:17,063 This makes me a little bit nervous. 386 00:31:17,313 --> 00:31:18,981 What am I gonna do if he's there, 387 00:31:19,065 --> 00:31:22,443 and how am I gonna play that? 388 00:31:22,485 --> 00:31:26,447 I've got some fairly serious people on speed dial 389 00:31:26,489 --> 00:31:29,951 in case things begin to go sideways. 390 00:31:37,083 --> 00:31:39,752 McDERMOTT: So, we're on the outskirts of Madrid, 391 00:31:39,836 --> 00:31:43,965 absolutely lovely neighborhood, these are closed neighborhoods, 392 00:31:44,048 --> 00:31:48,511 for people who clearly like their privacy. 393 00:31:48,553 --> 00:31:50,555 After the scene in the lawyer's office 394 00:31:50,596 --> 00:31:54,600 where things got extremely hostile, 395 00:31:54,684 --> 00:31:58,855 I feel that we need to hit the house very quickly now, 396 00:31:58,896 --> 00:32:02,692 so that there's no time for any kind of preparation. 397 00:32:04,986 --> 00:32:08,865 He's certainly no stranger to violence. 398 00:32:08,948 --> 00:32:10,950 Is he gonna try and close off the investigation 399 00:32:11,033 --> 00:32:14,036 through very abrupt and brutal means? 400 00:32:17,874 --> 00:32:22,003 Here we go, we are approaching the main gate 401 00:32:22,086 --> 00:32:25,423 of the closed neighborhood. 402 00:32:25,506 --> 00:32:26,632 This is not good. 403 00:32:26,716 --> 00:32:29,135 Don't stop here, don't stop here. 404 00:32:31,679 --> 00:32:34,599 What I am hoping is that he realizes 405 00:32:34,682 --> 00:32:36,434 that we're pretty serious. 406 00:32:36,517 --> 00:32:38,728 (speaks Spanish) 407 00:32:38,769 --> 00:32:41,814 We've got some fairly alarming accusations, 408 00:32:41,898 --> 00:32:46,027 and it might be time for him to engage with us. 409 00:32:46,068 --> 00:32:47,653 I'm not gonna let these (bleep) intimidate me, 410 00:32:47,737 --> 00:32:49,572 particularly not this one. 411 00:33:00,082 --> 00:33:02,627 (phone ringing) 412 00:33:36,827 --> 00:33:40,581 McDERMOTT: So, he doesn't wanna talk. 413 00:33:40,623 --> 00:33:45,628 The channels are open if he decides to contact me. 414 00:33:45,670 --> 00:33:49,799 My feeling is that we've taken him rather by shock now. 415 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,510 He's received a phone call from his lawyers, 416 00:33:52,593 --> 00:33:55,554 and now we've turned up at his gate, 417 00:33:55,638 --> 00:33:58,808 so, I suspect he's now thinking very hard 418 00:33:58,849 --> 00:34:01,852 about how to play things. 419 00:34:01,894 --> 00:34:04,105 When I see people like Memo Fantasma 420 00:34:04,146 --> 00:34:06,983 living the high life in Madrid, 421 00:34:07,066 --> 00:34:11,821 it leaves me with a deep sense of frustration. 422 00:34:11,904 --> 00:34:15,491 The only way Memo has been able to stay off the radar, 423 00:34:15,533 --> 00:34:19,704 for me, has been because he has managed to corrupt, 424 00:34:19,787 --> 00:34:24,625 at very high levels, state institutions. 425 00:34:24,667 --> 00:34:27,211 If Memo Fantasma got a pass 426 00:34:27,295 --> 00:34:30,047 from any international law enforcement agencies, 427 00:34:30,089 --> 00:34:35,219 it will be because he gave them valuable information. 428 00:34:35,303 --> 00:34:37,305 So valuable that they were prepared 429 00:34:37,555 --> 00:34:39,724 to let him off the hook. 430 00:34:42,184 --> 00:34:45,688 A couple of underworld sources have suggested 431 00:34:45,730 --> 00:34:50,860 that Memo handed over enough information 432 00:34:50,901 --> 00:34:55,740 for them to convict Macaco without any questions. 433 00:35:07,585 --> 00:35:10,921 McDERMOTT: In July 2019, Macaco was returned to Colombia 434 00:35:10,963 --> 00:35:15,593 after 11 years incarceration in the United States. 435 00:35:15,676 --> 00:35:19,764 He now faces up to 40 years in prison in Colombia, 436 00:35:19,805 --> 00:35:22,767 while Memo lives it up in Madrid. 437 00:35:34,737 --> 00:35:36,322 McDERMOTT: This from a security point of view is perhaps 438 00:35:36,572 --> 00:35:39,700 the most dangerous and delicate time. 439 00:35:39,742 --> 00:35:43,704 He now knows who I am. 440 00:35:43,746 --> 00:35:48,834 He now knows that we have a very strong story against him. 441 00:35:48,918 --> 00:35:52,046 This leaves him very few options, 442 00:35:52,129 --> 00:35:56,217 one of the options might be violence. 443 00:35:56,300 --> 00:35:59,345 And so, yeah, this is definitely a worry. 444 00:36:02,890 --> 00:36:08,062 (phone ringing) 445 00:36:08,145 --> 00:36:09,647 Hello? 446 00:36:18,322 --> 00:36:21,117 McDERMOTT: He seems very keen to engage. 447 00:36:29,959 --> 00:36:31,836 McDERMOTT: And I'm not surprised. 448 00:36:31,877 --> 00:36:35,756 This is the guy that I think we're dealing with. 449 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,718 Highly intelligent, extremely reasonable. 450 00:36:38,801 --> 00:36:40,428 He was extremely polite. 451 00:37:08,164 --> 00:37:10,291 McDERMOTT: He denies categorically 452 00:37:10,332 --> 00:37:11,959 that he is Memo Fantasma 453 00:37:12,042 --> 00:37:15,171 and that he is alias Sebastián Colmenares. 454 00:37:39,862 --> 00:37:42,031 McDERMOTT: He's extremely alarmed by the allegations 455 00:37:42,072 --> 00:37:44,867 that I laid out in the lawyer's office, 456 00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:47,036 and he believes he can refute them all. 457 00:38:07,890 --> 00:38:09,433 McDERMOTT: His next line of defense 458 00:38:09,517 --> 00:38:13,437 was he has no charges pending or arrest warrants pending. 459 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:46,262 ♪ ♪ 460 00:38:46,303 --> 00:38:52,518 ♪ ♪ 461 00:38:52,810 --> 00:38:54,854 McDERMOTT: Perhaps a surprising line of defense 462 00:38:54,937 --> 00:38:57,273 was that he doesn't have any money. 463 00:39:07,533 --> 00:39:08,993 McDERMOTT: He admitted to involvement 464 00:39:09,076 --> 00:39:12,454 in the enormous development in Bogotá 465 00:39:12,496 --> 00:39:16,292 known as Torre 85, Tower 85. 466 00:39:16,333 --> 00:39:20,004 The other parties in that deal are not exactly nobodies. 467 00:39:20,045 --> 00:39:23,173 The Colombian vice president and her husband. 468 00:39:28,888 --> 00:39:30,472 McDERMOTT: He has promised to send me an email 469 00:39:30,514 --> 00:39:33,601 so that he can refute, one by one, 470 00:39:33,851 --> 00:39:38,230 the accusations we are placing against him. 471 00:39:38,314 --> 00:39:40,816 The first email is incredibly polite. 472 00:39:40,858 --> 00:39:43,819 He thanks me for my time and kindness. 473 00:39:43,903 --> 00:39:46,906 He says he wants to clarify any misunderstandings 474 00:39:46,989 --> 00:39:50,409 and is willing to assist me in any way possible. 475 00:39:50,492 --> 00:39:53,495 I respond by telling him what our accusations are, 476 00:39:53,537 --> 00:39:55,998 including that he informed on Macaco, 477 00:39:56,081 --> 00:40:01,211 and was present for the torture and murder of an associate. 478 00:40:01,253 --> 00:40:04,214 Acevedo directly denies these accusations, 479 00:40:04,298 --> 00:40:07,051 calling them "vile" and "a great big lie." 480 00:40:07,134 --> 00:40:09,094 He says my sources are maliciously trying 481 00:40:09,178 --> 00:40:11,138 to ruin his reputation, 482 00:40:11,221 --> 00:40:15,434 and that he's never been involved in a crime of any kind. 483 00:40:15,517 --> 00:40:17,394 He says he wants to meet in person, 484 00:40:17,436 --> 00:40:21,065 but never follows through, just keeps stalling 485 00:40:21,148 --> 00:40:26,862 until he refuses to speak except through his lawyers. 486 00:40:26,946 --> 00:40:33,118 ♪ ♪ 487 00:40:33,202 --> 00:40:35,371 Memo Fantasma, for me, 488 00:40:35,412 --> 00:40:40,584 is an example of a successful invisible. 489 00:40:40,626 --> 00:40:43,337 The key to invisibility is corruption. 490 00:40:43,420 --> 00:40:47,925 You've got to prevent being identified by police, 491 00:40:47,967 --> 00:40:51,178 prosecutors, judicial system. 492 00:40:51,261 --> 00:40:53,097 The best way to do that 493 00:40:53,180 --> 00:40:57,351 is to have these bodies on the payroll. 494 00:40:57,434 --> 00:41:02,481 ♪ ♪ 495 00:41:02,564 --> 00:41:06,527 The likelihood is... 496 00:41:06,568 --> 00:41:11,115 Memo is protected by someone 497 00:41:11,198 --> 00:41:16,954 in government, in the police or in the security forces. 498 00:41:17,037 --> 00:41:18,622 RUBEN OLIVA: What happens occasionally 499 00:41:18,914 --> 00:41:22,418 in some of these cases is that somebody is able to cooperate 500 00:41:22,459 --> 00:41:26,088 to a degree that the government decides to give them a pass. 501 00:41:26,130 --> 00:41:29,299 Now, I've had clients that I've been able to do that for them, 502 00:41:29,383 --> 00:41:31,218 but it's, it's, it is rare. 503 00:41:31,301 --> 00:41:32,970 What I think what distinguishes Memo 504 00:41:33,012 --> 00:41:34,263 from some of these other guys 505 00:41:34,304 --> 00:41:36,390 that I, for example, have represented, 506 00:41:36,473 --> 00:41:38,976 is that I don't think he missed a step. 507 00:41:41,979 --> 00:41:45,941 Memo Fantasma, in my view, will never be brought to justice. 508 00:41:46,025 --> 00:41:47,568 And certainly I have no faith 509 00:41:47,609 --> 00:41:49,445 that the Colombian law enforcement authorities 510 00:41:49,486 --> 00:41:51,363 are going to do anything against him. 511 00:41:51,447 --> 00:41:53,657 I think they are already bought and paid for. 512 00:41:53,949 --> 00:42:00,664 ♪ ♪ 513 00:42:00,956 --> 00:42:07,671 ♪ ♪ 514 00:42:07,755 --> 00:42:14,678 ♪ ♪ 515 00:42:14,762 --> 00:42:21,685 ♪ ♪ 516 00:42:21,769 --> 00:42:28,650 ♪ ♪ 517 00:42:28,734 --> 00:42:35,657 ♪ ♪ 518 00:42:35,741 --> 00:42:42,664 ♪ ♪ 519 00:42:42,748 --> 00:42:49,713 ♪ ♪ 520 00:42:49,755 --> 00:42:56,720 ♪ ♪ 521 00:42:56,762 --> 00:43:02,351 McDERMOTT: Our ideal scenario is to prompt US authorities 522 00:43:02,392 --> 00:43:06,647 to have a look at a person who we believe is responsible 523 00:43:06,688 --> 00:43:12,236 for smuggling tons of drugs to the mainland United States. 524 00:43:15,364 --> 00:43:19,034 In Colombia, the blood and suffering 525 00:43:19,118 --> 00:43:24,164 caused by the cocaine trade over the last 40‐odd years 526 00:43:24,206 --> 00:43:27,459 is, it's impossible to describe. 527 00:43:27,543 --> 00:43:31,713 It's left scars on this country and its society 528 00:43:31,755 --> 00:43:36,635 that have still not even come close to healing. 529 00:43:36,718 --> 00:43:40,264 We have to learn from these mistakes. 530 00:43:40,305 --> 00:43:44,852 We have to contain the violence and suffering. 531 00:43:45,102 --> 00:43:48,564 Memo Fantasma should be in prison. 532 00:43:48,647 --> 00:43:51,233 He should be in prison for a long time. 533 00:43:51,275 --> 00:43:53,652 ♪ ♪ 534 00:43:53,735 --> 00:44:00,284 ♪ ♪ 535 00:44:00,367 --> 00:44:06,623 ♪ ♪ 536 00:44:06,707 --> 00:44:08,709 Captioned by Side Door Media Services 39413

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