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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,288 --> 00:00:06,919 What happens when we die? 2 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:10,738 Do we simply cease to be? 3 00:00:13,147 --> 00:00:15,682 Or do we survive in some form? 4 00:00:17,885 --> 00:00:21,922 What is it that makes us unique, conscious beings? 5 00:00:21,923 --> 00:00:24,391 It's the greatest mystery of existence, 6 00:00:24,392 --> 00:00:28,828 a problem seemingly too big for science to solve. 7 00:00:28,829 --> 00:00:32,265 But today, a cluster of biologists, 8 00:00:32,266 --> 00:00:34,067 physicists, and philosophers 9 00:00:34,068 --> 00:00:37,938 are closing in on the answer to the ultimate question. 10 00:00:37,939 --> 00:00:41,541 Is there life after death? 11 00:00:47,014 --> 00:00:51,985 Space, time, life itself. 12 00:00:53,788 --> 00:00:58,725 The secrets of the cosmos lie through the wormhole. 13 00:00:58,726 --> 00:01:02,726 ♪ Through the Wormhole 02x01 ♪ Is There Life After Death? Original Air Date on June 7, 2011 14 00:01:02,727 --> 00:01:06,727 == sync, corrected by elderman == 15 00:01:08,935 --> 00:01:11,804 Is death the end? 16 00:01:11,805 --> 00:01:14,006 Eternal silence? 17 00:01:14,007 --> 00:01:15,707 Blackness? 18 00:01:15,708 --> 00:01:17,609 Nothingness? 19 00:01:17,610 --> 00:01:21,213 Or is there a spark inside of us 20 00:01:21,214 --> 00:01:25,083 that lives on beyond our physical selves? 21 00:01:25,084 --> 00:01:29,288 Philosophers and scientists have puzzled over that question 22 00:01:29,289 --> 00:01:31,824 for thousands of years. 23 00:01:31,825 --> 00:01:34,359 It's the great mystery -- 24 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:39,431 one that, sooner or later, we all have to face. 25 00:01:39,432 --> 00:01:43,235 One morning when I was 6 years old, 26 00:01:43,236 --> 00:01:47,072 my grandmother didn't wake up -- 27 00:01:47,073 --> 00:01:50,209 then or ever again. 28 00:01:53,279 --> 00:01:55,747 It was my first experience with death. 29 00:01:55,748 --> 00:02:01,520 How could she be here yesterday but gone today? 30 00:02:01,521 --> 00:02:04,122 Was she gone forever? 31 00:02:04,123 --> 00:02:07,693 Or did some essential part of her live on? 32 00:02:11,798 --> 00:02:15,467 Christians and muslims believe in a heaven for the just 33 00:02:15,468 --> 00:02:17,836 and a hell for sinners. 34 00:02:17,837 --> 00:02:20,339 Other religions see death as a transition 35 00:02:20,340 --> 00:02:22,441 to an existence on the higher plane 36 00:02:22,442 --> 00:02:25,777 or to another life here on earth. 37 00:02:25,778 --> 00:02:28,981 All of these beliefs have one thing in common -- 38 00:02:28,982 --> 00:02:32,551 the body is just a vessel for the soul, 39 00:02:32,552 --> 00:02:35,020 and the soul is eternal. 40 00:02:37,423 --> 00:02:40,459 This is something many believe in their hearts, 41 00:02:40,460 --> 00:02:46,798 but is there a way to prove it or disprove it scientifically? 42 00:02:46,799 --> 00:02:51,503 Eben Alexander taught and performed neurosurgery 43 00:02:51,504 --> 00:02:55,474 at the Harvard Medical School for 15 years. 44 00:02:55,475 --> 00:02:59,378 In 2008, his career took an unexpected turn -- 45 00:02:59,379 --> 00:03:02,147 one that would give him profound insight 46 00:03:02,148 --> 00:03:05,751 into the possibility of life after death. 47 00:03:05,752 --> 00:03:10,255 He contracted an extremely rare form of bacterial meningitis 48 00:03:10,256 --> 00:03:13,292 and fell into a deep coma. 49 00:03:13,293 --> 00:03:15,761 I think if you were trying to come up 50 00:03:15,762 --> 00:03:17,629 with an experimental model 51 00:03:17,630 --> 00:03:21,266 that would best approach human death, 52 00:03:21,267 --> 00:03:24,202 meningitis is perfect because what it does 53 00:03:24,203 --> 00:03:27,706 is it attacks the entire outer surface of the brain. 54 00:03:27,707 --> 00:03:32,878 These are horizontal images taken through my skull, 55 00:03:32,879 --> 00:03:37,049 and you can see the entire outer surface of the brain 56 00:03:37,050 --> 00:03:38,884 was coated with pus. 57 00:03:38,885 --> 00:03:41,787 These bacteria had gotten rid of all the glucose, 58 00:03:41,788 --> 00:03:45,691 and now the only thing left to consumer were my brain cells, 59 00:03:45,692 --> 00:03:46,925 and so my entire neocortex -- 60 00:03:46,926 --> 00:03:48,927 that part of the brain that makes us human -- 61 00:03:48,928 --> 00:03:50,696 was completely shut down. 62 00:03:50,697 --> 00:03:54,099 Freeman: After seven days of virtual brain death, 63 00:03:54,100 --> 00:03:58,003 Alexander emerged from the coma. 64 00:03:58,004 --> 00:04:01,974 Miraculously, within a month, he was back to normal. 65 00:04:01,975 --> 00:04:05,310 But something happened to him while he was away. 66 00:04:05,311 --> 00:04:09,715 My first recollection from deep inside the coma 67 00:04:09,716 --> 00:04:12,250 was that I was -- 68 00:04:12,251 --> 00:04:15,787 it's what I sometimes call the earthworm-eye view of the world. 69 00:04:15,788 --> 00:04:20,859 Everything was kind of murky, brown, red, dark. 70 00:04:20,860 --> 00:04:24,363 I literally remember roots over my head. 71 00:04:24,364 --> 00:04:28,333 And I seemed to be there for a very, very long time. 72 00:04:28,334 --> 00:04:31,303 I had no memory whatsoever of my life. 73 00:04:31,304 --> 00:04:33,705 No words -- my language was gone. 74 00:04:33,706 --> 00:04:35,974 I was certainly not aware of anything going on around me 75 00:04:35,975 --> 00:04:37,476 in the I.C.U. room. 76 00:04:37,477 --> 00:04:40,912 And then, in the midst of that, 77 00:04:40,913 --> 00:04:44,716 there was a little melody that was spinning in front of me. 78 00:04:44,717 --> 00:04:47,586 And it just started spinning and expanded, 79 00:04:47,587 --> 00:04:50,756 and it ended up clearing away 80 00:04:50,757 --> 00:04:55,560 all that ugly, foreboding, gross, muddy realm. 81 00:04:55,561 --> 00:04:57,129 And all of a sudden, 82 00:04:57,130 --> 00:05:02,300 I was coming up into this beautiful meadow. 83 00:05:02,301 --> 00:05:04,002 I had no body awareness. 84 00:05:04,003 --> 00:05:06,271 I had no arms, legs, or anything, 85 00:05:06,272 --> 00:05:09,875 but I was aware that I was a speck on a butterfly wing -- 86 00:05:09,876 --> 00:05:13,178 absolutely beautiful butterfly. 87 00:05:13,179 --> 00:05:17,215 And there were millions of other colorful butterflies 88 00:05:17,216 --> 00:05:19,284 looping and swirling all around us, 89 00:05:19,285 --> 00:05:21,653 all in this beautiful formation of flying. 90 00:05:21,654 --> 00:05:25,891 And then we left this Universe 91 00:05:25,892 --> 00:05:30,128 and went out into what I now call the core. 92 00:05:30,129 --> 00:05:34,733 At first, it seemed infinitely huge and dark, 93 00:05:34,734 --> 00:05:38,036 although I was there 94 00:05:38,037 --> 00:05:43,308 with that beautiful, warm awareness of the divine, 95 00:05:43,309 --> 00:05:46,712 which was clearly what we would call God 96 00:05:46,713 --> 00:05:49,581 in this place outside the Universe. 97 00:05:49,582 --> 00:05:53,085 Basically, I recall the whole multiverse 98 00:05:53,086 --> 00:05:54,586 being out in front of me. 99 00:05:54,587 --> 00:05:58,190 It was very clear that love was a huge part 100 00:05:58,191 --> 00:06:00,492 of the constituent of that whole multiverse. 101 00:06:02,562 --> 00:06:05,063 Freeman: Alexander had faced something 102 00:06:05,064 --> 00:06:08,233 that tens of thousands of people have reported -- 103 00:06:08,234 --> 00:06:10,268 a near-death experience. 104 00:06:10,269 --> 00:06:12,003 Nearly all claim something 105 00:06:12,004 --> 00:06:15,173 that science has so far been unable to prove -- 106 00:06:15,174 --> 00:06:20,245 that there is another existence beyond the one we know. 107 00:06:20,246 --> 00:06:22,013 Dr. Alexander: This was something 108 00:06:22,014 --> 00:06:25,117 that was very difficult for me to explain 109 00:06:25,118 --> 00:06:27,419 from a neuroscientific standpoint, 110 00:06:27,420 --> 00:06:32,124 and the scientific side of me could not see how that could be, 111 00:06:32,125 --> 00:06:33,959 and yet it was a very, very powerful -- 112 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,027 very powerful memory. 113 00:06:36,028 --> 00:06:38,130 I came up with several models having to do 114 00:06:38,131 --> 00:06:40,732 with the neurophysiology and neuroanatomy. 115 00:06:40,733 --> 00:06:46,004 And the problem is none of those models sufficiently explain 116 00:06:46,005 --> 00:06:49,708 the very powerful memories that I brought back with me 117 00:06:49,709 --> 00:06:51,409 from this experience. 118 00:06:51,410 --> 00:06:57,382 And I ended up at a point where I do not believe 119 00:06:57,383 --> 00:07:02,254 that there is a good neurophysiologic explanation 120 00:07:02,255 --> 00:07:03,789 for what happened to me. 121 00:07:03,790 --> 00:07:05,791 Freeman: Eben Alexander's experience 122 00:07:05,792 --> 00:07:09,561 was profound and life-altering. 123 00:07:09,562 --> 00:07:12,631 But it is by no means unique. 124 00:07:16,002 --> 00:07:17,836 Bruce Greyson is a psychiatrist 125 00:07:17,837 --> 00:07:20,505 at the University of Virginia School of Medicine. 126 00:07:20,506 --> 00:07:23,441 He has investigated more than 1,000 cases 127 00:07:23,442 --> 00:07:25,410 of near-death experiences. 128 00:07:28,181 --> 00:07:30,916 The consistent features of a near-death experience 129 00:07:30,917 --> 00:07:35,220 are a sense of profound peace and well-being, 130 00:07:35,221 --> 00:07:37,622 a sense of leaving the physical body, 131 00:07:37,623 --> 00:07:40,058 a sense of brilliant light 132 00:07:40,059 --> 00:07:43,862 which seems to radiate warmth and unconditional love. 133 00:07:43,863 --> 00:07:46,932 Sometimes people report encountering other beings, 134 00:07:46,933 --> 00:07:48,600 including a deity of some kind. 135 00:07:48,601 --> 00:07:52,137 Sometimes they identify that deity as God or Christ, 136 00:07:52,138 --> 00:07:53,572 and sometimes they don't. 137 00:07:53,573 --> 00:07:54,906 They just say that there was 138 00:07:54,907 --> 00:07:56,842 this all-powerful being that they met. 139 00:07:56,843 --> 00:07:59,911 Freeman: Many scientists dismiss these experiences 140 00:07:59,912 --> 00:08:02,113 as nothing more than hallucinations 141 00:08:02,114 --> 00:08:05,317 triggered by a brain undergoing immense physical stress, 142 00:08:05,318 --> 00:08:11,223 mostly due to the nerve cells being deprived of oxygen. 143 00:08:11,224 --> 00:08:14,125 Back in the 1970s, 144 00:08:14,126 --> 00:08:16,228 experiments by the U.S. Air Force 145 00:08:16,229 --> 00:08:19,130 inadvertently tested this idea. 146 00:08:19,131 --> 00:08:22,200 Scientists spun pilots in a centrifuge, 147 00:08:22,201 --> 00:08:25,737 subjecting their bodies to massive g-forces. 148 00:08:25,738 --> 00:08:29,040 It caused blood to drain to their feet 149 00:08:29,041 --> 00:08:32,544 and left their brains starved for oxygen. 150 00:08:32,545 --> 00:08:34,746 They invariably blacked out. 151 00:08:34,747 --> 00:08:38,850 When they awoke, some pilots reported seeing a bright light. 152 00:08:38,851 --> 00:08:41,152 Others said they left their bodies 153 00:08:41,153 --> 00:08:43,889 and looked down at themselves from above -- 154 00:08:43,890 --> 00:08:46,291 experiences similar to those of people 155 00:08:46,292 --> 00:08:48,560 who have been to the brink of death, 156 00:08:48,561 --> 00:08:51,730 but lacking one key feature. 157 00:08:51,731 --> 00:08:53,698 In the period when they were losing oxygen, 158 00:08:53,699 --> 00:08:55,166 as they were losing consciousness, 159 00:08:55,167 --> 00:08:56,568 they had some features 160 00:08:56,569 --> 00:08:59,271 which bear some similarities to near-death experiences. 161 00:08:59,272 --> 00:09:02,807 However, they certainly didn't ever meet deceased loved ones 162 00:09:02,808 --> 00:09:04,743 or other entities. 163 00:09:04,744 --> 00:09:09,814 The problem with all of these physiological explanations 164 00:09:09,815 --> 00:09:14,886 is that they don't account for the complex thinking, 165 00:09:14,887 --> 00:09:18,323 the memory formation, the perceptions that take place 166 00:09:18,324 --> 00:09:20,191 when we know the brain 167 00:09:20,192 --> 00:09:23,295 is not capable of doing complex thinking. 168 00:09:23,296 --> 00:09:25,931 Freeman: Are near-death experiences 169 00:09:25,932 --> 00:09:30,001 the final dream of a mind that's about to wink out of existence? 170 00:09:30,002 --> 00:09:35,473 Or are they a sign that there is something beyond death? 171 00:09:35,474 --> 00:09:38,810 Finding the truth requires nothing less 172 00:09:38,811 --> 00:09:42,948 than a scientific quest to discover the human soul. 173 00:09:42,949 --> 00:09:45,483 Is the soul a myth 174 00:09:45,484 --> 00:09:49,354 or one of the fundamental elements of the Universe? 175 00:09:56,651 --> 00:09:59,352 For scientists, the question of life after death 176 00:09:59,353 --> 00:10:02,789 is inextricably linked with another question. 177 00:10:02,790 --> 00:10:04,925 What is consciousness? 178 00:10:04,926 --> 00:10:07,627 Where does consciousness come from? 179 00:10:07,628 --> 00:10:10,864 And where does it go when we die? 180 00:10:14,602 --> 00:10:16,503 Dr. Stuart Hameroff is the director 181 00:10:16,504 --> 00:10:21,274 of consciousness studies at the University of Arizona, Tucson. 182 00:10:23,577 --> 00:10:26,479 He's also a practicing anesthesiologist. 183 00:10:38,459 --> 00:10:41,761 Under anesthesia, patients don't dream -- 184 00:10:41,762 --> 00:10:43,396 even though I said, "pick out a nice dream." 185 00:10:43,397 --> 00:10:45,131 We always say that. But there's no awareness. 186 00:10:45,132 --> 00:10:47,634 There's no passage of time. Patients wake up. 187 00:10:47,635 --> 00:10:50,403 They don't know if they've been asleep five minutes or five hours. 188 00:10:50,404 --> 00:10:53,340 Anesthesia takes away consciousness. 189 00:10:53,341 --> 00:10:55,275 Brain under anesthesia is quite active. 190 00:10:55,276 --> 00:10:58,011 And the difference is still somewhat mysterious. 191 00:11:00,281 --> 00:11:02,415 Freeman: Years watching over patients in the operating room 192 00:11:02,416 --> 00:11:05,685 made Hameroff obsessed with understanding the link 193 00:11:05,686 --> 00:11:09,956 between brain activity and consciousness. 194 00:11:09,957 --> 00:11:12,292 Then, 15 years ago, 195 00:11:12,293 --> 00:11:16,529 he met the great British physicist, Sir Roger Penrose. 196 00:11:16,530 --> 00:11:19,566 Together, they developed a radical new theory 197 00:11:19,567 --> 00:11:21,201 for how the brain works -- 198 00:11:21,202 --> 00:11:23,803 a theory that has grown into nothing less 199 00:11:23,804 --> 00:11:27,774 than a scientific argument for an eternal soul. 200 00:11:27,775 --> 00:11:31,878 At its root are tiny structures inside our brain cells 201 00:11:31,879 --> 00:11:34,447 called microtubules. 202 00:11:36,851 --> 00:11:38,485 Dr. Hameroff: If you look inside a cell, 203 00:11:38,486 --> 00:11:40,220 you find these structural components 204 00:11:40,221 --> 00:11:43,723 that are somewhat like the bones within our bodies. 205 00:11:43,724 --> 00:11:46,192 The microtubules develop literally a forest 206 00:11:46,193 --> 00:11:47,727 inside each cell, 207 00:11:47,728 --> 00:11:49,462 which determines the architecture 208 00:11:49,463 --> 00:11:50,830 and the structure of the cell. 209 00:11:50,831 --> 00:11:54,401 And we think microtubules are perfectly designed 210 00:11:54,402 --> 00:11:56,369 to be the cell's onboard computer 211 00:11:56,370 --> 00:11:59,105 and process information at the molecular level. 212 00:11:59,106 --> 00:12:02,308 Freeman: Hameroff and Penrose argue that microtubules 213 00:12:02,309 --> 00:12:05,111 allow neurons and the brain as a whole 214 00:12:05,112 --> 00:12:07,947 to function as a quantum computer, 215 00:12:07,948 --> 00:12:10,750 performing operations in a fundamentally different way 216 00:12:10,751 --> 00:12:14,220 from normal computers. 217 00:12:14,221 --> 00:12:16,756 Dr. Hameroff: So, here we have a brain with two hemispheres. 218 00:12:16,757 --> 00:12:18,124 Most views of the brain 219 00:12:18,125 --> 00:12:20,660 are of a collection of individual neurons. 220 00:12:20,661 --> 00:12:22,095 When one neuron fires, 221 00:12:22,096 --> 00:12:24,764 it sends a signal to the next neuron at a synapse. 222 00:12:24,765 --> 00:12:27,067 That, in turn, causes that neuron to fire, 223 00:12:27,068 --> 00:12:29,235 and that neuron causes another neuron to fire, 224 00:12:29,236 --> 00:12:30,737 much like dominoes. 225 00:12:30,738 --> 00:12:33,706 So, for example, if a neuron fires here, 226 00:12:33,707 --> 00:12:35,241 it's gonna trigger its neighbors to fire, 227 00:12:35,242 --> 00:12:38,545 sending signals through and around the brain. 228 00:12:38,546 --> 00:12:41,014 That's the classical view of how the brain works. 229 00:12:43,250 --> 00:12:46,052 Freeman: In a conventional computer, 230 00:12:46,053 --> 00:12:48,254 signals move around from place to place 231 00:12:48,255 --> 00:12:52,459 along traceable paths. 232 00:12:52,460 --> 00:12:55,128 But the microscopic components of a quantum computer 233 00:12:55,129 --> 00:13:01,134 are connected via a mysterious process called entanglement. 234 00:13:01,135 --> 00:13:04,370 Some of us think that quantum processes 235 00:13:04,371 --> 00:13:06,840 play an important role in consciousness in the brain. 236 00:13:06,841 --> 00:13:09,742 So, for example, if there's neuronal activity here, 237 00:13:09,743 --> 00:13:12,345 it may be coupled through quantum non-locality 238 00:13:12,346 --> 00:13:14,314 to processes over here. 239 00:13:14,315 --> 00:13:16,583 These neurons are connected 240 00:13:16,584 --> 00:13:18,051 even though they're spatially separated 241 00:13:18,052 --> 00:13:19,652 so that activity here 242 00:13:19,653 --> 00:13:22,856 instantaneously affects activity over here. 243 00:13:22,857 --> 00:13:26,459 Freeman: Hameroff and Penrose argue 244 00:13:26,460 --> 00:13:29,162 that a change in the microtubules in one brain cell 245 00:13:29,163 --> 00:13:31,631 can affect microbules in another. 246 00:13:31,632 --> 00:13:34,100 But that's not all. 247 00:13:34,101 --> 00:13:37,670 Quantum theory claims that every single point in space, 248 00:13:37,671 --> 00:13:42,375 even empty space, can contain information. 249 00:13:42,376 --> 00:13:44,410 In the very fine structure of the universe, 250 00:13:44,411 --> 00:13:47,180 there is information, quantum information, 251 00:13:47,181 --> 00:13:49,015 not unlike these dominoes, 252 00:13:49,016 --> 00:13:52,886 so that we can have information up or down, here and here, 253 00:13:52,887 --> 00:13:54,320 but they're connected 254 00:13:54,321 --> 00:13:56,222 so that something that happens here 255 00:13:56,223 --> 00:13:57,624 influences something here. 256 00:13:57,625 --> 00:14:02,295 Freeman: This means the information in the microtubules 257 00:14:02,296 --> 00:14:04,430 can connect and become entangled 258 00:14:04,431 --> 00:14:07,534 with the universe outside the brain. 259 00:14:11,138 --> 00:14:14,274 Dr. Hameroff: So, just like these two neurons may be entangled, 260 00:14:14,275 --> 00:14:17,076 it's possible that the information of consciousness, 261 00:14:17,077 --> 00:14:18,912 of the whole brain, is entangled 262 00:14:18,913 --> 00:14:21,114 and can exist in the universe at large. 263 00:14:22,917 --> 00:14:24,751 Freeman: According to Hameroff, 264 00:14:24,752 --> 00:14:27,153 our souls are built from something 265 00:14:27,154 --> 00:14:30,123 much more fundamental than neurons. 266 00:14:30,124 --> 00:14:34,060 They are constructed from the very fabric of the Universe. 267 00:14:36,230 --> 00:14:38,831 Dr. Hameroff: I think that consciousness or its immediate precursor -- 268 00:14:38,832 --> 00:14:40,633 we'll call it proto-consciousness, 269 00:14:40,634 --> 00:14:42,435 has been in the Universe all along, 270 00:14:42,436 --> 00:14:44,404 perhaps from the Big Bang. 271 00:14:49,877 --> 00:14:54,547 Freeman: All of this recalls the Buddhist and Hindu belief 272 00:14:54,548 --> 00:14:57,550 that consciousness is an integral part of the Universe, 273 00:14:57,551 --> 00:15:02,222 and perhaps it is all there is in the Universe. 274 00:15:04,391 --> 00:15:06,960 If consciousness is a quantum process, 275 00:15:06,961 --> 00:15:09,095 it may solve the mystery of what happens 276 00:15:09,096 --> 00:15:12,632 during near-death experiences. 277 00:15:12,633 --> 00:15:15,401 Dr. Hameroff: Let's say the heart stops beating, 278 00:15:15,402 --> 00:15:17,237 the blood stops flowing, 279 00:15:17,238 --> 00:15:19,706 the microtubules lose their quantum state. 280 00:15:19,707 --> 00:15:24,010 But the quantum information, which is in the microtubes, 281 00:15:24,011 --> 00:15:25,578 isn't destroyed. 282 00:15:25,579 --> 00:15:26,746 It can't be destroyed. 283 00:15:26,747 --> 00:15:28,581 It just distributes and dissipates 284 00:15:28,582 --> 00:15:29,949 to the Universe at large. 285 00:15:29,950 --> 00:15:33,353 If the patient is resuscitated, revived, 286 00:15:33,354 --> 00:15:36,322 this quantum information can go back into the microtubules, 287 00:15:36,323 --> 00:15:39,225 and the patient says, "I had a near-death experience. 288 00:15:39,226 --> 00:15:41,394 "I saw white light. I saw a tunnel. 289 00:15:41,395 --> 00:15:42,862 "I saw my dead relatives. 290 00:15:42,863 --> 00:15:45,164 I maybe even floated out of my body." 291 00:15:45,165 --> 00:15:48,835 Now, if they're not revived and the patient dies, 292 00:15:48,836 --> 00:15:51,804 then it's possible that this quantum information 293 00:15:51,805 --> 00:15:55,441 can exist outside the body, perhaps indefinitely as a soul. 294 00:15:58,012 --> 00:16:00,313 Freeman: Many scientists find it difficult to believe 295 00:16:00,314 --> 00:16:02,915 that the soul is a quantum computer, 296 00:16:02,916 --> 00:16:04,784 hard-wired into the cosmos. 297 00:16:04,785 --> 00:16:09,355 But Hameroff feels that research is slowly validating his claims. 298 00:16:09,356 --> 00:16:12,492 Quantum effects have recently been shown 299 00:16:12,493 --> 00:16:15,662 to control several important biological processes, 300 00:16:15,663 --> 00:16:19,732 from bird navigation to photosynthesis 301 00:16:19,733 --> 00:16:22,735 to the human sense of smell. 302 00:16:22,736 --> 00:16:26,506 Dr. Hameroff: So far, nobody has landed a serious blow to the theory. 303 00:16:26,507 --> 00:16:30,209 We're still very viable, and evidence continues -- 304 00:16:30,210 --> 00:16:33,246 new evidence continues to support the ideas 305 00:16:33,247 --> 00:16:35,081 that we put forth 15 years ago. 306 00:16:35,082 --> 00:16:37,483 Freeman: But the truth is 307 00:16:37,484 --> 00:16:40,420 we still don't know where consciousness comes from 308 00:16:40,421 --> 00:16:43,122 or where it goes when we die. 309 00:16:43,123 --> 00:16:46,826 If there was a way to measure consciousness, 310 00:16:46,827 --> 00:16:50,430 perhaps we could find the answers to these questions. 311 00:16:50,431 --> 00:16:52,999 That way may be coming soon, 312 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:57,670 as one scientist explores the depths of our minds, 313 00:16:57,671 --> 00:17:01,007 hoping to discover the mysterious mental pattern 314 00:17:01,008 --> 00:17:03,810 that makes us who we are. 315 00:17:08,038 --> 00:17:10,506 The human brain isn't very big -- 316 00:17:10,507 --> 00:17:13,276 3 pounds of soft tissue. 317 00:17:13,277 --> 00:17:18,247 But it can generate ideas that transform the world. 318 00:17:18,248 --> 00:17:21,384 It can hold personalities as diverse 319 00:17:21,385 --> 00:17:25,121 as Martin Luther King and Genghis Khan. 320 00:17:25,122 --> 00:17:27,590 It even knows what it is. 321 00:17:27,591 --> 00:17:30,660 It's self-aware. 322 00:17:30,661 --> 00:17:34,163 We think it has a soul. 323 00:17:34,164 --> 00:17:37,467 But where does that soul come from? 324 00:17:37,468 --> 00:17:41,070 Is consciousness a product of the brain? 325 00:17:41,071 --> 00:17:43,539 And can it outlive the brain? 326 00:17:43,540 --> 00:17:47,610 Studying what happens to the human brain when people die 327 00:17:47,611 --> 00:17:49,212 is not easy. 328 00:17:49,213 --> 00:17:51,747 Death rarely comes on cue. 329 00:17:51,748 --> 00:17:55,985 But one aspect of death comes to all of us every day. 330 00:17:55,986 --> 00:18:01,491 Each night when we fall asleep, our consciousness slips away. 331 00:18:04,161 --> 00:18:07,730 Professor Giulio Tononi of the University of Wisconsin 332 00:18:07,731 --> 00:18:10,399 is studying how our brains change 333 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,401 when they lose consciousness, 334 00:18:12,402 --> 00:18:14,403 and in doing so, 335 00:18:14,404 --> 00:18:19,275 he's hoping to unravel the secret of what makes us us. 336 00:18:19,276 --> 00:18:21,143 The simplest definition of consciousness -- 337 00:18:21,144 --> 00:18:24,380 that which goes away when you fall into dreamless sleep. 338 00:18:24,381 --> 00:18:25,948 But the fact of the matter is, 339 00:18:25,949 --> 00:18:27,850 the brain doesn't shut off at all. 340 00:18:27,851 --> 00:18:31,053 The neurons, the nerve cells, are actually just as active, 341 00:18:31,054 --> 00:18:33,956 in a sense, as they are when you are awake. 342 00:18:33,957 --> 00:18:37,059 So, it is an interesting scientific question. 343 00:18:37,060 --> 00:18:39,495 How would it be, then, that you disappear 344 00:18:39,496 --> 00:18:41,998 when your brain is still there and buzzing along? 345 00:18:41,999 --> 00:18:44,800 Freeman: Tononi believes our level of awareness 346 00:18:44,801 --> 00:18:46,903 is determined by how much information 347 00:18:46,904 --> 00:18:50,072 the different parts of our brain share with each other. 348 00:18:50,073 --> 00:18:52,575 An experience rich in detail 349 00:18:52,576 --> 00:18:55,745 will generate highly complex patterns in the brain, 350 00:18:55,746 --> 00:19:00,583 creating unique shapes that Tononi believes can be measured. 351 00:19:00,584 --> 00:19:04,220 Every experience is essentially like an extraordinary shape. 352 00:19:04,221 --> 00:19:08,591 Just like a fire with wonderful flames 353 00:19:08,592 --> 00:19:11,494 is an extraordinary shape that changes all the time. 354 00:19:11,495 --> 00:19:14,697 Now, it's a shape which is characterized 355 00:19:14,698 --> 00:19:17,533 by something I would call informational relationships. 356 00:19:17,534 --> 00:19:20,570 But it's a shape that shines of inner light. 357 00:19:20,571 --> 00:19:23,372 The fire of consciousness is a very special fire 358 00:19:23,373 --> 00:19:25,341 that's generated inside the brain, 359 00:19:25,342 --> 00:19:28,277 and it requires a very special set of ingredients 360 00:19:28,278 --> 00:19:30,513 in order to be able to burn and shine. 361 00:19:30,514 --> 00:19:33,883 Freeman: But understanding when that fire is lit 362 00:19:33,884 --> 00:19:36,185 and when it is extinguished 363 00:19:36,186 --> 00:19:40,423 is far more difficult than simply reading a brain scan. 364 00:19:40,424 --> 00:19:44,760 So Giulio Tononi built an entire lab 365 00:19:44,761 --> 00:19:49,265 dedicated to the unconscious netherworld of dreamless sleep. 366 00:19:49,266 --> 00:19:52,735 And he designed an experiment to detect how the brain changes 367 00:19:52,736 --> 00:19:54,570 when we lose consciousness. 368 00:19:54,571 --> 00:19:56,572 It's the neurological equivalent 369 00:19:56,573 --> 00:19:59,375 of knocking at the door of a darkened house 370 00:19:59,376 --> 00:20:01,944 to find out whether anyone is home. 371 00:20:01,945 --> 00:20:04,380 Tononi: We use something called 372 00:20:04,381 --> 00:20:06,282 transcranium magnetic stimulation, 373 00:20:06,283 --> 00:20:10,286 which is a way to inject a little current in the brain 374 00:20:10,287 --> 00:20:12,221 without having to open it up, 375 00:20:12,222 --> 00:20:14,590 so in a perfectly innocuous way, 376 00:20:14,591 --> 00:20:18,761 and then see how our cerebral cortex reacts to it. 377 00:20:18,762 --> 00:20:20,963 Freeman: First, the team runs the experiment 378 00:20:20,964 --> 00:20:23,165 on a volunteer who's awake. 379 00:20:23,166 --> 00:20:25,201 A mesh of electrodes will keep track 380 00:20:25,202 --> 00:20:27,269 of all activity in his brain. 381 00:20:27,270 --> 00:20:31,007 Now a small magnetic coil is placed on his head. 382 00:20:31,008 --> 00:20:34,443 At the flip of a switch, it delivers a pulse of magnetism 383 00:20:34,444 --> 00:20:38,748 lasting a tenth of a second to his cerebral cortex. 384 00:20:38,749 --> 00:20:42,251 The burst causes neurons in a small patch of the brain 385 00:20:42,252 --> 00:20:43,753 to fire, 386 00:20:43,754 --> 00:20:46,088 and they, in turn, send signals to other neurons, 387 00:20:46,089 --> 00:20:49,091 making them fire, as well. 388 00:20:49,092 --> 00:20:51,627 This complex pattern of neural activity 389 00:20:51,628 --> 00:20:55,097 spreads out to cover about a third of the cortex 390 00:20:55,098 --> 00:20:59,935 and lasts for almost 1/3 of a second. 391 00:20:59,936 --> 00:21:03,205 The conscious brain reverberates like a ringing bell. 392 00:21:03,206 --> 00:21:06,042 Someone is definitely home. 393 00:21:06,043 --> 00:21:09,645 But what happens when he's unconscious? 394 00:21:09,646 --> 00:21:11,747 Now that Brady is asleep, 395 00:21:11,748 --> 00:21:14,216 we are going to ring the bell again 396 00:21:14,217 --> 00:21:19,255 and see how his brain responds when -- after falling asleep. 397 00:21:21,291 --> 00:21:24,160 Freeman: Once again, the brain lights up. 398 00:21:24,161 --> 00:21:28,364 But this time, there is no reverberation. 399 00:21:28,365 --> 00:21:29,932 The ring of the bell dies 400 00:21:29,933 --> 00:21:32,868 as quickly as the pulse of magnetism shuts off. 401 00:21:32,869 --> 00:21:35,538 The sleeping brain may be active, 402 00:21:35,539 --> 00:21:38,307 but it has lost the ability to share information 403 00:21:38,308 --> 00:21:41,677 between one part of the brain and another. 404 00:21:41,678 --> 00:21:45,214 Tononi believes this spreading of information 405 00:21:45,215 --> 00:21:48,918 is the key ingredient of consciousness. 406 00:21:48,919 --> 00:21:51,954 The waking brain keeps specialized areas 407 00:21:51,955 --> 00:21:53,789 in constant conversation, 408 00:21:53,790 --> 00:21:55,224 like a Cabinet meeting 409 00:21:55,225 --> 00:21:58,260 with the Secretary of State, Treasury, and Defense 410 00:21:58,261 --> 00:22:01,630 all deciding on a unified plan of action. 411 00:22:01,631 --> 00:22:04,967 When the brain is asleep, the meeting adjourns. 412 00:22:04,968 --> 00:22:09,004 The specialists leave, and nothing gets decided. 413 00:22:09,005 --> 00:22:10,406 Why do you lose consciousness 414 00:22:10,407 --> 00:22:12,608 when you are in deep sleep early in the night? 415 00:22:12,609 --> 00:22:15,244 The specialists that normally do talk to each other 416 00:22:15,245 --> 00:22:18,080 when you are awake -- they stop doing so. 417 00:22:18,081 --> 00:22:21,217 There is some mechanism that comes into place when you sleep 418 00:22:21,218 --> 00:22:22,551 that makes the interaction 419 00:22:22,552 --> 00:22:24,220 between the specialists difficult. 420 00:22:24,221 --> 00:22:25,621 And, in the end, 421 00:22:25,622 --> 00:22:28,390 it looks like they can't talk to each other anymore, 422 00:22:28,391 --> 00:22:30,626 and not surprisingly, then, you lose consciousness. 423 00:22:30,627 --> 00:22:31,961 You're not there anymore. 424 00:22:31,962 --> 00:22:35,030 Freeman: Tononi's ability to tell the difference 425 00:22:35,031 --> 00:22:37,900 between a brain that's conscious and one that's not 426 00:22:37,901 --> 00:22:41,904 may soon find application in a medical setting, 427 00:22:41,905 --> 00:22:46,575 assessing the level of awareness of coma patients. 428 00:22:46,576 --> 00:22:49,078 Tononi: One of the first things you would want to know is, 429 00:22:49,079 --> 00:22:50,546 is anybody home? 430 00:22:50,547 --> 00:22:56,051 If that somebody is your wife or your son or your mother 431 00:22:56,052 --> 00:22:58,220 and you see the eyes are open 432 00:22:58,221 --> 00:23:00,656 and you don't know whether somebody's there, 433 00:23:00,657 --> 00:23:03,259 maybe even suffering, how do you go about that? 434 00:23:03,260 --> 00:23:06,195 Freeman: Giulio Tononi has found a way 435 00:23:06,196 --> 00:23:09,165 to see consciousness in the human brain, 436 00:23:09,166 --> 00:23:13,702 but exactly how it arises amid the complex web of neurons -- 437 00:23:13,703 --> 00:23:18,040 that remains a mystery at which he can only begin to guess. 438 00:23:20,177 --> 00:23:22,444 Tononi: When one says that consciousness 439 00:23:22,445 --> 00:23:26,315 requires a complex system to support it, 440 00:23:26,316 --> 00:23:28,117 in some sense, that must be true. 441 00:23:28,118 --> 00:23:30,853 But the Internet is certainly very complex. 442 00:23:30,854 --> 00:23:33,155 Another example, you could also say 443 00:23:33,156 --> 00:23:36,792 that a chess-playing program is very complex. 444 00:23:36,793 --> 00:23:39,628 So there are many things that people intuitively call complex, 445 00:23:39,629 --> 00:23:41,096 but only a few of them 446 00:23:41,097 --> 00:23:43,199 seem to be able to give rise to consciousness. 447 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,569 So what you need is the right kind of complexity, 448 00:23:46,570 --> 00:23:50,072 and only a few structures -- as far as I can tell -- 449 00:23:50,073 --> 00:23:53,108 can do that, can pull out that extraordinary feat. 450 00:23:53,109 --> 00:23:55,277 Our cortex, the cerebral cortex, 451 00:23:55,278 --> 00:23:58,147 seems to be wired up almost ideally 452 00:23:58,148 --> 00:23:59,882 to achieve exactly that. 453 00:24:04,454 --> 00:24:08,123 Freeman: But is there a way to discover the root of consciousness? 454 00:24:08,124 --> 00:24:10,693 And is this sense of self-awareness 455 00:24:10,694 --> 00:24:12,695 the same as the soul? 456 00:24:12,696 --> 00:24:16,432 This man thinks he's found the human soul 457 00:24:16,433 --> 00:24:19,802 and knows what happens to it when we die. 458 00:24:26,111 --> 00:24:28,646 What is the soul? 459 00:24:28,647 --> 00:24:31,416 Is it a field of energy? 460 00:24:31,417 --> 00:24:33,685 Is it something tangible? 461 00:24:33,686 --> 00:24:37,221 Does it have weight? 462 00:24:37,222 --> 00:24:40,758 In 1907, Dr. Duncan MacDougall determined 463 00:24:40,759 --> 00:24:45,630 that the soul weighs about 3/4 of an ounce, 464 00:24:45,631 --> 00:24:47,832 or 21 grams. 465 00:24:47,833 --> 00:24:52,904 He determined this by weighing the bodies of dying TB patients. 466 00:24:52,905 --> 00:24:55,440 But in the 100 years since then, 467 00:24:55,441 --> 00:24:59,143 no one has been able to replicate his findings 468 00:24:59,144 --> 00:25:05,349 because there doesn't seem to be anything to weigh. 469 00:25:07,486 --> 00:25:13,691 Could there be some elusive substance that makes you you? 470 00:25:13,692 --> 00:25:16,661 At the smallest levels of existence, 471 00:25:16,662 --> 00:25:18,996 all matter is made of atoms. 472 00:25:18,997 --> 00:25:22,633 Earth has been recycling atoms for billions of years. 473 00:25:22,634 --> 00:25:26,070 Carbon moves from trees to oceans 474 00:25:26,071 --> 00:25:27,805 to the cells in our bodies. 475 00:25:27,806 --> 00:25:33,111 Even the atoms of dead people get reused. 476 00:25:33,112 --> 00:25:36,280 This means that an atom in your thigh bone 477 00:25:36,281 --> 00:25:39,650 might have been part of Cleopatra's lower lip. 478 00:25:39,651 --> 00:25:45,056 And this recycling doesn't just happen at the atomic level. 479 00:25:45,057 --> 00:25:50,495 You are constantly rebuilding yourself at the cellular level. 480 00:25:50,496 --> 00:25:55,233 Your body produces 1 billion new cells every hour. 481 00:25:55,234 --> 00:25:56,934 No matter how old you are, 482 00:25:56,935 --> 00:26:01,606 most of you is no more than 10 years old. 483 00:26:01,607 --> 00:26:05,676 Christof Koch is a Professor of biology and engineering 484 00:26:05,677 --> 00:26:07,478 at Caltech. 485 00:26:07,479 --> 00:26:10,081 He believes that what makes you you 486 00:26:10,082 --> 00:26:13,818 has nothing to do with individual atoms or cells. 487 00:26:13,819 --> 00:26:17,288 He believes that "you" emerges from the unique way 488 00:26:17,289 --> 00:26:20,758 the cells in your brain are organized. 489 00:26:20,759 --> 00:26:23,494 The brain is the most complex piece of matter 490 00:26:23,495 --> 00:26:25,029 we know in the Universe. 491 00:26:25,030 --> 00:26:27,031 The human brain typically is on the order 492 00:26:27,032 --> 00:26:29,433 of 100 billion nerve cells. 493 00:26:29,434 --> 00:26:32,937 Each of those is a very complicated entity by itself. 494 00:26:32,938 --> 00:26:35,039 It's more like a little computer, 495 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,910 interconnected to 10,000 to 100,000 other nerve cells. 496 00:26:38,911 --> 00:26:43,047 Freeman: Separately, these neurons aren't conscious. 497 00:26:43,048 --> 00:26:46,250 But when they interact with each other on a massive scale, 498 00:26:46,251 --> 00:26:49,854 the result is a self-aware network. 499 00:26:49,855 --> 00:26:52,356 We believe that consciousness emerges 500 00:26:52,357 --> 00:26:56,227 out of the firing of millions or possibly billions of neurons. 501 00:26:56,228 --> 00:26:57,962 So that's what my soul is. 502 00:26:57,963 --> 00:27:00,364 That's what my feelings, my subjective feelings 503 00:27:00,365 --> 00:27:02,500 of pain and pleasure and of yearning are. 504 00:27:02,501 --> 00:27:04,936 Freeman: But if, as Koch believes, 505 00:27:04,937 --> 00:27:08,039 who we are stems exclusively from this fragile 506 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,441 and ever-changing network of brain cells, 507 00:27:10,442 --> 00:27:13,110 then there can be no eternal you. 508 00:27:13,111 --> 00:27:14,512 Koch: We constantly change. 509 00:27:14,513 --> 00:27:16,614 With each experience, we change a little bit. 510 00:27:16,615 --> 00:27:18,482 With some experiences, we change more, 511 00:27:18,483 --> 00:27:20,651 and with other experiences, we change less. 512 00:27:20,652 --> 00:27:22,954 So, that sense, there's no constant. 513 00:27:22,955 --> 00:27:26,057 And as we age, again, my mind -- my body, 514 00:27:26,058 --> 00:27:28,626 but also my personality and my mind changes. 515 00:27:28,627 --> 00:27:32,196 So, that sense, there's no constant personality. 516 00:27:32,197 --> 00:27:36,133 It's a changing construct of the brain and by the brain. 517 00:27:36,134 --> 00:27:40,671 Freeman: This view of the brain is called materialism, 518 00:27:40,672 --> 00:27:42,940 and Koch is its champion. 519 00:27:42,941 --> 00:27:44,375 For materialists, 520 00:27:44,376 --> 00:27:47,178 the soul is nothing more than a fleeting illusion, 521 00:27:47,179 --> 00:27:49,881 an illusion that cannot outlive 522 00:27:49,882 --> 00:27:52,316 the physical network from which it arises. 523 00:27:55,354 --> 00:27:58,155 Once that electrical traffic ceases 524 00:27:58,156 --> 00:28:00,191 because the brain itself doesn't work anymore 525 00:28:00,192 --> 00:28:02,226 and the neurons stop firing, 526 00:28:02,227 --> 00:28:06,230 then, also, the soul will cease to exist. 527 00:28:08,467 --> 00:28:12,003 Freeman: But renowned cognitive scientist Douglas Hofstadter 528 00:28:12,004 --> 00:28:15,606 is not so quick to dismiss the possibility of life after death. 529 00:28:15,607 --> 00:28:19,243 He believes the soul does not disappear the moment we die. 530 00:28:19,244 --> 00:28:21,779 Hofstadter: When I was a graduate student in physics, 531 00:28:21,780 --> 00:28:25,516 I had a professor who I was very fond of 532 00:28:25,517 --> 00:28:30,521 who was a religious person. 533 00:28:30,522 --> 00:28:36,460 And he believed, to my shock and surprise and confusion, 534 00:28:36,461 --> 00:28:38,963 that inside the brain, 535 00:28:38,964 --> 00:28:41,532 there were certain kinds of particles 536 00:28:41,533 --> 00:28:44,001 that we hadn't yet discovered 537 00:28:44,002 --> 00:28:47,405 that gave rise to soul and consciousness. 538 00:28:47,406 --> 00:28:49,707 Freeman: Hofstadter took a more scientific approach 539 00:28:49,708 --> 00:28:51,108 to the brain. 540 00:28:51,109 --> 00:28:54,712 He became a pioneer in modeling complex mental processes. 541 00:28:54,713 --> 00:28:57,715 He thinks about how people think. 542 00:28:57,716 --> 00:29:01,018 And what humans do best, in his opinion, 543 00:29:01,019 --> 00:29:04,555 is make mental maps of the world around them. 544 00:29:04,556 --> 00:29:07,692 The process of perceiving a world 545 00:29:07,693 --> 00:29:11,662 gives rise to internal representations of everything. 546 00:29:11,663 --> 00:29:14,198 You know, if I look at this pepper shaker, 547 00:29:14,199 --> 00:29:17,368 I have an internal model of it. 548 00:29:17,369 --> 00:29:19,036 And I don't need to look at it 549 00:29:19,037 --> 00:29:21,105 because I've seen it so many times, 550 00:29:21,106 --> 00:29:23,741 I have an internal model of it that is stable. 551 00:29:23,742 --> 00:29:27,411 Freeman: All animals make mental maps. 552 00:29:27,412 --> 00:29:31,082 The bigger the animal, the more complex the map. 553 00:29:31,083 --> 00:29:34,986 A bee knows the position of the sun and its hive. 554 00:29:34,987 --> 00:29:36,921 A manta ray learns to navigate 555 00:29:36,922 --> 00:29:41,425 the convoluted web of ocean currents. 556 00:29:41,426 --> 00:29:42,994 A baboon must keep track 557 00:29:42,995 --> 00:29:46,697 of the troop's social pecking order. 558 00:29:46,698 --> 00:29:48,132 Our maps are built 559 00:29:48,133 --> 00:29:51,202 from a lifetime of objects and people we've encountered... 560 00:29:51,203 --> 00:29:53,971 And one other crucial element. 561 00:29:53,972 --> 00:29:58,609 Hofstadter: We incorporate not only the rest of the world, 562 00:29:58,610 --> 00:30:01,045 but we incorporate our own understanding 563 00:30:01,046 --> 00:30:03,381 of who we are and what we are, 564 00:30:03,382 --> 00:30:07,585 which includes superficial, physical things 565 00:30:07,586 --> 00:30:09,487 like the fact that we have two hands 566 00:30:09,488 --> 00:30:11,789 and five fingers on each hand, 567 00:30:11,790 --> 00:30:14,458 what kind of sense of humor we have, 568 00:30:14,459 --> 00:30:17,661 whether we're good at throwing free-throws in basketball 569 00:30:17,662 --> 00:30:19,263 or hook shots. 570 00:30:19,264 --> 00:30:25,369 And we create a concept that reflects who we are. 571 00:30:25,370 --> 00:30:29,006 Freeman: Hofstadter regards this map of the world 572 00:30:29,007 --> 00:30:31,575 that also includes a map of the map-maker 573 00:30:31,576 --> 00:30:33,878 as a mental feedback loop. 574 00:30:35,781 --> 00:30:38,783 If you point a television camera at a television screen 575 00:30:38,784 --> 00:30:41,619 and then the screen gets put onto itself, 576 00:30:41,620 --> 00:30:43,087 et cetera, et cetera, 577 00:30:43,088 --> 00:30:45,923 and you get a very complex visual pattern -- 578 00:30:45,924 --> 00:30:48,893 the system itself is perceiving itself. 579 00:30:48,894 --> 00:30:52,163 To me, the soul is an emergent process, 580 00:30:52,164 --> 00:30:54,565 an emergent entity that comes out of decades 581 00:30:54,566 --> 00:30:59,136 of perception and feedback. 582 00:30:59,137 --> 00:31:01,939 Freeman: But this view of consciousness 583 00:31:01,940 --> 00:31:03,908 has a shocking implication. 584 00:31:03,909 --> 00:31:07,645 If the soul is just a strange mental feedback loop, 585 00:31:07,646 --> 00:31:10,614 then it should not be unique to humans. 586 00:31:10,615 --> 00:31:15,186 Any sufficiently smart network should be able to experience it, 587 00:31:15,187 --> 00:31:17,421 whatever it is made of. 588 00:31:17,422 --> 00:31:19,890 Which is why this latter-day Frankenstein 589 00:31:19,891 --> 00:31:22,593 is planning to build a soul. 590 00:31:22,594 --> 00:31:26,363 What he learns could point the way to a life beyond death. 591 00:31:30,176 --> 00:31:34,279 Religion tells us that our souls transcend the body. 592 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:40,218 These are just shells that we walk a around in for a while. 593 00:31:40,219 --> 00:31:43,555 Most scientists don't believe that. 594 00:31:43,556 --> 00:31:46,691 They say that what we call the soul 595 00:31:46,692 --> 00:31:49,494 is a self-aware network of brain connections 596 00:31:49,495 --> 00:31:52,864 that evolved over millions of years. 597 00:31:52,865 --> 00:31:55,467 If that's true, 598 00:31:55,468 --> 00:32:01,106 then what would happen if we built a copy of the human brain? 599 00:32:01,107 --> 00:32:03,341 Would it have a soul? 600 00:32:03,342 --> 00:32:06,278 We're on the verge of finding out. 601 00:32:06,279 --> 00:32:08,180 And if the mystery of the mind 602 00:32:08,181 --> 00:32:10,949 is something we can crack computationally, 603 00:32:10,950 --> 00:32:16,521 it would even give us an escape route from death. 604 00:32:20,159 --> 00:32:23,128 Around the world, teams of researchers 605 00:32:23,129 --> 00:32:27,732 are attempting to reverse-engineer a human brain. 606 00:32:27,733 --> 00:32:31,436 It's a tough job, because for all our research, 607 00:32:31,437 --> 00:32:34,306 the brain is still the most complicated instrument 608 00:32:34,307 --> 00:32:37,008 in the known Universe. 609 00:32:37,009 --> 00:32:40,212 But mapping the brain could take decades to complete, 610 00:32:40,213 --> 00:32:42,080 which is why some rebel scientists 611 00:32:42,081 --> 00:32:43,982 have decided to harness the firepower 612 00:32:43,983 --> 00:32:47,686 inside living brain cells. 613 00:32:47,687 --> 00:32:49,955 They're trying to crack the secrets of the soul 614 00:32:49,956 --> 00:32:54,126 by fusing biology and technology, 615 00:32:54,127 --> 00:32:58,930 taking bits of brain and mating them to bits of hardware. 616 00:32:58,931 --> 00:33:01,266 Most computer simulations 617 00:33:01,267 --> 00:33:05,637 are limited to very simplistic neurons. 618 00:33:05,638 --> 00:33:08,039 What we have here in our culture dishes 619 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,143 with real, live, wet, squishy neurons 620 00:33:11,144 --> 00:33:12,711 with all their complexity, 621 00:33:12,712 --> 00:33:15,180 is immensely much more complicated 622 00:33:15,181 --> 00:33:17,449 than anything we can simulate on today's computers. 623 00:33:17,450 --> 00:33:20,385 Freeman: Professor Steve Potter 624 00:33:20,386 --> 00:33:22,821 of the Georgia Institute of Technology 625 00:33:22,822 --> 00:33:25,290 designs and builds brains -- 626 00:33:25,291 --> 00:33:28,493 brains that are half-living, half-machine. 627 00:33:28,494 --> 00:33:33,331 Potter's team takes neurons cultured from rat embryos 628 00:33:33,332 --> 00:33:36,701 then grows them on miniature plates of electrodes. 629 00:33:36,702 --> 00:33:39,638 Potter: Here is a multi-electrode array culture dish. 630 00:33:39,639 --> 00:33:43,341 You can see some fluorescently labeled neurons growing on it. 631 00:33:43,342 --> 00:33:45,243 These are the electrodes 632 00:33:45,244 --> 00:33:48,513 with leads heading off to the electronics 633 00:33:48,514 --> 00:33:52,284 that we use to record from and stimulate the cells. 634 00:33:52,285 --> 00:33:54,653 These are all the axons and dendrites 635 00:33:54,654 --> 00:33:57,656 that represent the connections between the cells. 636 00:33:57,657 --> 00:34:00,659 Those connections form 637 00:34:00,660 --> 00:34:03,328 over the course of the first four hours in culture. 638 00:34:03,329 --> 00:34:05,830 You can see on this time lapse here 639 00:34:05,831 --> 00:34:07,699 connections forming. 640 00:34:07,700 --> 00:34:10,202 So, those are the synaptic connections 641 00:34:10,203 --> 00:34:12,337 by which the neurons talk to each other, 642 00:34:12,338 --> 00:34:15,840 and we can film that conversation in progress 643 00:34:15,841 --> 00:34:18,543 using a calcium-sensitive dye here. 644 00:34:18,544 --> 00:34:20,912 So, here you can see the cells flashing. 645 00:34:20,913 --> 00:34:23,114 Every time the cell sends a signal to another cell, 646 00:34:23,115 --> 00:34:24,683 it has a little burst of calcium. 647 00:34:24,684 --> 00:34:27,719 Freeman: When the brain has grown, 648 00:34:27,720 --> 00:34:31,423 Potter send information to it through the electrodes, 649 00:34:31,424 --> 00:34:34,259 and the brain responds. 650 00:34:34,260 --> 00:34:36,828 Those electrodes are connected to a computer 651 00:34:36,829 --> 00:34:40,665 that's wired up to a robot body, 652 00:34:40,666 --> 00:34:43,535 resulting in a new form of life. 653 00:34:43,536 --> 00:34:46,204 This is hybrot -- 654 00:34:46,205 --> 00:34:49,908 a robot controlled by living brain tissue. 655 00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:51,710 Its brains are in a refrigerator, 656 00:34:51,711 --> 00:34:55,680 but you can see its neurons react on the computer screen 657 00:34:55,681 --> 00:34:59,417 as its body finds its way around the lab bench. 658 00:34:59,418 --> 00:35:01,386 Like any animal, 659 00:35:01,387 --> 00:35:04,055 the hybrot has experiences and learns from them. 660 00:35:04,056 --> 00:35:07,859 In this case, how to navigate its environment. 661 00:35:07,860 --> 00:35:13,298 So, the question is, could a hybrot ever become conscious? 662 00:35:15,601 --> 00:35:20,171 Whether or not we could ever get to conscious cultured networks 663 00:35:20,172 --> 00:35:23,875 is a question which I would say we've already answered "yes." 664 00:35:23,876 --> 00:35:25,410 We have culture dishes 665 00:35:25,411 --> 00:35:27,412 that are receiving inputs from the environment. 666 00:35:27,413 --> 00:35:29,414 They're responding to them in complicated ways. 667 00:35:29,415 --> 00:35:32,217 So they're conscious of their environment 668 00:35:32,218 --> 00:35:33,885 in some very rudimentary fashion. 669 00:35:33,886 --> 00:35:36,087 Perhaps with more complicated interactions 670 00:35:36,088 --> 00:35:37,622 between different brain tissues 671 00:35:37,623 --> 00:35:39,624 and between the computer and the brain tissues, 672 00:35:39,625 --> 00:35:42,027 we could get to something that people would say 673 00:35:42,028 --> 00:35:45,864 is a high-level cognition, more like human consciousness. 674 00:35:45,865 --> 00:35:50,068 Freeman: But if one day a hybrot or a computer wakes up 675 00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:52,971 and realizes what and who it is, 676 00:35:52,972 --> 00:35:55,840 if a soul emerges from those wires, 677 00:35:55,841 --> 00:35:58,576 how would we know? 678 00:35:58,577 --> 00:36:02,047 We'll have to rely on conversation. 679 00:36:02,048 --> 00:36:05,050 If we asked the artificial brain, "are you conscious?" 680 00:36:05,051 --> 00:36:07,152 And it persuades us that it is, 681 00:36:07,153 --> 00:36:09,287 we'll just have to take its word. 682 00:36:09,288 --> 00:36:12,123 But the same thing applies when we talk to other humans. 683 00:36:12,124 --> 00:36:15,327 We don't actually know that other people are conscious. 684 00:36:15,328 --> 00:36:19,064 They might just be zombies who are saying the right thing 685 00:36:19,065 --> 00:36:21,966 but having no private, subjective experience. 686 00:36:24,136 --> 00:36:27,939 I can put some sort of an artificial intelligence 687 00:36:27,940 --> 00:36:29,341 into a computer right now 688 00:36:29,342 --> 00:36:31,643 that represents the kind of decisions I might make 689 00:36:31,644 --> 00:36:35,347 and has, in some sense, some of my consciousness in it. 690 00:36:35,348 --> 00:36:37,148 So that's not hard to do. 691 00:36:37,149 --> 00:36:38,817 But to get something that we would say 692 00:36:38,818 --> 00:36:40,585 is a good enough copy of my consciousness 693 00:36:40,586 --> 00:36:43,321 that if it were put back in somebody else's body, 694 00:36:43,322 --> 00:36:45,990 people would be fooled into thinking it was me -- 695 00:36:45,991 --> 00:36:48,693 this is something we haven't even the first clue 696 00:36:48,694 --> 00:36:51,329 of how to do it in any kind of a detailed way. 697 00:36:51,330 --> 00:36:55,500 Freeman: Building artificial homes for our souls 698 00:36:55,501 --> 00:36:58,069 may be a long time coming, 699 00:36:58,070 --> 00:37:00,905 so what do we do in the meantime? 700 00:37:00,906 --> 00:37:02,874 Turns out the ideal vessels 701 00:37:02,875 --> 00:37:05,977 to carry souls after the death of the body 702 00:37:05,978 --> 00:37:08,580 may already exist. 703 00:37:08,581 --> 00:37:12,250 One could be sitting right next to you. 704 00:37:16,395 --> 00:37:18,696 Despite our advanced technology, 705 00:37:18,697 --> 00:37:23,668 the riddle of life still seems a long way from being solved -- 706 00:37:23,669 --> 00:37:27,472 or...Is it? 707 00:37:27,473 --> 00:37:30,408 In Bloomington, Indiana, 708 00:37:30,409 --> 00:37:35,480 Douglas Hofstadter says it's all a matter of perspective. 709 00:37:35,481 --> 00:37:39,016 He believes consciousness is the inevitable result 710 00:37:39,017 --> 00:37:40,818 of the strange and wonderful way 711 00:37:40,819 --> 00:37:43,221 the brain joins information together 712 00:37:43,222 --> 00:37:45,590 into patterns of thought. 713 00:37:45,591 --> 00:37:48,626 And the patterns of thought that form us 714 00:37:48,627 --> 00:37:51,562 are not unique to us. 715 00:37:51,563 --> 00:37:54,465 We are all curious collages 716 00:37:54,466 --> 00:37:57,602 of everyone we've ever been influenced by, 717 00:37:57,603 --> 00:38:00,137 living or dead. 718 00:38:00,138 --> 00:38:01,739 The pattern of your soul 719 00:38:01,740 --> 00:38:04,976 is the strongest and most complex in your own brain, 720 00:38:04,977 --> 00:38:08,012 but it can be passed on to other brains. 721 00:38:11,383 --> 00:38:13,684 Hofstadter: This is a book of Chopin études. 722 00:38:13,685 --> 00:38:18,189 These black splotches on white paper 723 00:38:18,190 --> 00:38:22,226 capture some very, very central pieces 724 00:38:22,227 --> 00:38:23,961 of Chopin's emotionality -- 725 00:38:23,962 --> 00:38:28,533 his highs, his lows, 726 00:38:28,534 --> 00:38:30,034 his sense of triumph, 727 00:38:30,035 --> 00:38:34,005 his sense of resignation or anguish. 728 00:38:34,006 --> 00:38:37,708 Anything that was part of his emotional makeup comes through, 729 00:38:37,709 --> 00:38:40,611 and one gets a very deep glimpse of another human being. 730 00:38:40,612 --> 00:38:43,714 Perhaps 150, 160 years after that person 731 00:38:43,715 --> 00:38:47,718 has officially vanished from the surface of the earth, 732 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,820 something of their soul persists 733 00:38:49,821 --> 00:38:54,659 and invades the minds and brains of millions of other people. 734 00:38:54,660 --> 00:38:58,496 Freeman: This is a form of life after death 735 00:38:58,497 --> 00:39:00,464 that we all experience, 736 00:39:00,465 --> 00:39:03,467 though we may not recognize it for what it is. 737 00:39:05,537 --> 00:39:09,206 Freeman: It took a great personal tragedy for Hofstadter to see this -- 738 00:39:09,207 --> 00:39:11,909 the death of his wife, Carol. 739 00:39:14,379 --> 00:39:15,913 We were in Italy, 740 00:39:15,914 --> 00:39:20,184 and it was a very sudden discovery of a brain tumor. 741 00:39:20,185 --> 00:39:23,487 And we only found out that she had a brain tumor 742 00:39:23,488 --> 00:39:26,257 on the 11th of December, 743 00:39:26,258 --> 00:39:28,092 and on the 12th of December, in the evening, 744 00:39:28,093 --> 00:39:30,461 she fell into a coma. 745 00:39:30,462 --> 00:39:35,800 So it was very, very, very fast. 746 00:39:35,801 --> 00:39:38,336 When somebody that I have been entangled with 747 00:39:38,337 --> 00:39:40,237 for so long and so deeply 748 00:39:40,238 --> 00:39:42,707 is suddenly poofed out of existence, 749 00:39:42,708 --> 00:39:46,744 I then had to, you know, confront the question 750 00:39:46,745 --> 00:39:50,147 of what, if anything, survived 751 00:39:50,148 --> 00:39:52,083 and where, if at all, 752 00:39:52,084 --> 00:39:56,520 can a human soul be transplanted, 753 00:39:56,521 --> 00:39:59,490 uprooted from one brain to another brain? 754 00:39:59,491 --> 00:40:04,462 And my answer would have to be, 755 00:40:04,463 --> 00:40:08,065 in a very limited sense, yes. 756 00:40:08,066 --> 00:40:11,902 The degree to which Carol exists inside me -- 757 00:40:11,903 --> 00:40:16,240 it's a much stripped-down version of her. 758 00:40:16,241 --> 00:40:19,910 It's a crude version. It's coarse-grained. 759 00:40:19,911 --> 00:40:22,346 It's as if one had a mosaic done 760 00:40:22,347 --> 00:40:27,051 in very, very small, fine stones -- 761 00:40:27,052 --> 00:40:28,552 a million of them. 762 00:40:28,553 --> 00:40:30,788 And then it was a destroyed, 763 00:40:30,789 --> 00:40:32,790 but somebody, before it was destroyed, 764 00:40:32,791 --> 00:40:36,661 had made a copy of it but only using 1,000 stones. 765 00:40:36,662 --> 00:40:38,929 And so the 1,000 stones 766 00:40:38,930 --> 00:40:41,565 still have the same colors and the same kind of arrangement, 767 00:40:41,566 --> 00:40:44,535 but much more coarse-grained, in a different medium, 768 00:40:44,536 --> 00:40:46,203 in different stones. 769 00:40:46,204 --> 00:40:47,938 The original has been destroyed, 770 00:40:47,939 --> 00:40:53,244 but the copy exists in a coarse-grained version. 771 00:40:53,245 --> 00:40:56,347 Freeman: And so, we live on. 772 00:40:56,348 --> 00:40:58,816 A piece of our soul survives 773 00:40:58,817 --> 00:41:01,385 in everyone we have ever encountered. 774 00:41:01,386 --> 00:41:02,987 That soul fragment 775 00:41:02,988 --> 00:41:06,457 is the strongest, most recognizable 776 00:41:06,458 --> 00:41:08,392 in the people who loved us. 777 00:41:08,393 --> 00:41:12,430 This form of life after death is one we can all relate to, 778 00:41:12,431 --> 00:41:14,398 whatever our religion. 779 00:41:14,399 --> 00:41:18,369 But is there some other resting place for the soul? 780 00:41:18,370 --> 00:41:21,272 Does our consciousness just shimmer out of existence 781 00:41:21,273 --> 00:41:23,708 in our last moments on earth? 782 00:41:23,709 --> 00:41:27,144 Is the soul nothing more than a network of neural processes, 783 00:41:27,145 --> 00:41:30,548 something that one day can be recreated in a machine? 784 00:41:30,549 --> 00:41:33,250 Or does the quantum state of our brain 785 00:41:33,251 --> 00:41:36,887 get reabsorbed into the Universe at large? 786 00:41:36,888 --> 00:41:39,990 Scientists believe they are finally getting close 787 00:41:39,991 --> 00:41:42,159 to solving this puzzle, 788 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,730 even though they passionately disagree about the answer. 789 00:41:45,731 --> 00:41:47,765 When you lose consciousness, you lose your soul. 790 00:41:47,766 --> 00:41:49,100 You lose everything. 791 00:41:49,101 --> 00:41:51,168 The world does not exist anymore for you. 792 00:41:51,169 --> 00:41:53,437 Your friends don't exist anymore. 793 00:41:53,438 --> 00:41:55,773 You don't exist. Everything is lost. 794 00:41:55,774 --> 00:41:58,909 If you take these near-death experiences at face value, 795 00:41:58,910 --> 00:42:03,981 then they suggest that the mind or the consciousness 796 00:42:03,982 --> 00:42:07,184 seems to function without the physical body. 797 00:42:07,185 --> 00:42:09,153 Dr. Hameroff: I think the quantum approach 798 00:42:09,154 --> 00:42:10,855 to consciousness can, in principle, 799 00:42:10,856 --> 00:42:14,492 explain why we're here and what our purpose is 800 00:42:14,493 --> 00:42:18,062 and also the possibility of life after death and reincarnation 801 00:42:18,063 --> 00:42:20,331 and the persistence of consciousness 802 00:42:20,332 --> 00:42:22,066 after our bodies give up. 803 00:42:22,067 --> 00:42:27,438 Dr. Alexander: I have great belief and knowledge 804 00:42:27,439 --> 00:42:30,541 that there is a wonderful existence 805 00:42:30,542 --> 00:42:33,811 for our souls outside of this earthly realm, 806 00:42:33,812 --> 00:42:37,615 and that is our true reality. 807 00:42:37,616 --> 00:42:41,786 And we all find that out when we leave this earth. 808 00:42:41,787 --> 00:42:45,656 Ultimately, every one of us will discover the truth. 809 00:42:45,657 --> 00:42:49,426 But will we ever enter our final hour 810 00:42:49,427 --> 00:42:52,963 knowing our fate? 811 00:42:52,964 --> 00:42:56,834 Perhaps some things really are too big for humans to grasp. 812 00:42:56,835 --> 00:43:01,205 That's when we have to shift from what we know 813 00:43:01,206 --> 00:43:03,474 to what we believe. 814 00:43:03,499 --> 00:43:07,499 == sync, corrected by elderman ==65599

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